Speaker 1: It's night with Dan Ray. I'm telling you feazy Boston's.
Speaker 2: News radio headline in this morning's Boston Globe, apparent assassination
Speaker 2: bid targets Trump. Okay, well, I don't know how it
Speaker 2: can be an apparent assassination. It's either an assassination or
Speaker 2: it's not. I do think it can be categorized as
Speaker 2: an assassination attempt because this individual who I think I
Speaker 2: can figure out his motive and I want to hear
Speaker 2: what you folks say, this is a presidential candidate. The
Speaker 2: last time that a president or a presidential candidate was
Speaker 2: shot at or was the victim of a potential shooting
Speaker 2: twice was Gerald Ford back in like nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 2: when he visited San Francisco on a successive days in
Speaker 2: the same month of nuts excessive days, but in the
Speaker 2: same month, I think it was November, and there was
Speaker 2: a woman named Sarah Jane Moore who took a shot
Speaker 2: at him, and then later on Squeaky Frome, one of
Speaker 2: the Manson family members. So this guy, I hope some
Speaker 2: of you saw the arrest. Ryan Routh, fifty eight years
Speaker 2: of age, the acting director the Secret Service, Acting Director
Speaker 2: Ronald Rowe Junior said that this guy did not get
Speaker 2: a shot off. He was in the woods of this
Speaker 2: golf course for twelve hours. Now they're saying he was
Speaker 2: there since as early as two am on Sunday morning.
Speaker 2: So I got a lot of questions. Get a lot
Speaker 2: of questions, and I hope some of you might want
Speaker 2: to speculator and give me an answer. How did this
Speaker 2: guy know Donald Trump was going to play golf that
Speaker 2: day had he been there before. He brought with him
Speaker 2: a semi automatic weapon, which he, as a former felon,
Speaker 2: should never have had. It also had its serial number expunged,
Speaker 2: which means that he probably got it somewhere on the
Speaker 2: black market. He's there, Thank God that there's a Secret
Speaker 2: Service agent who who saw the rifle. The barrel of
Speaker 2: the rifle extending through it looks like a chain link fence.
Speaker 2: This guy had some sort of tiles there, ceramic tiles,
Speaker 2: which was supposed to protect him. I don't know a
Speaker 2: lot about ceramic dials, but at the best of my knowledge,
Speaker 2: a bullet from an AK forty seven or something will
Speaker 2: crack a ceramic tile. So this guy was in court today.
Speaker 2: I listened all day long. I'm fascinated by this This
Speaker 2: guy apparently was laughing court. He's fifty eight years old.
Speaker 2: The rifle that he had was a loaded SKS style
Speaker 2: rifle as semi automatic developed by the Soviets in the
Speaker 2: nineteen forties, with a scope as well as food and
Speaker 2: a digital camera. Looked like he had a GoPro there.
Speaker 2: So the question is what's his motive? Well, apparently this
Speaker 2: guy gone to Ukraine a couple of times and fashioned
Speaker 2: himself at the age of fifty eight of some sort
Speaker 2: of a freedom fighter in Ukraine. I was listening more
Speaker 2: to CNN today than anything, and they did a pretty
Speaker 2: good job in this story. They said that apparently in
Speaker 2: his writings, he's all over the internet. We knew nothing
Speaker 2: about the kid who took the shot at President Trump
Speaker 2: in Butler, Pennsylvania to speak of. He's still a mystery.
Speaker 2: He supposedly had had corresponded or been in contact with
Speaker 2: people overseas, but the FBI hasn't been able to to
Speaker 2: break through I guess the cryptology or whatever to be
Speaker 2: able to to figure out who he was talking to.
Speaker 2: Who was this guy talking to? This guy apparently is
Speaker 2: able to fly to Ukraine. What does he do for
Speaker 2: a job? I don't think he has a job. Where's
Speaker 2: his money coming from?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: He apparently is pretty anti Israeli Inti Israel. According to
Speaker 2: some of his writings in screed, there was a woman
Speaker 2: who interviewed him at the at the Capitol a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. When he was grabbed yesterday forty five
Speaker 2: miles north of Mari Lago, the police said, do you
Speaker 2: know why we pulled you over? He said, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean some of the responses that we have here, and
Speaker 2: I just if you haven't heard as much of this
Speaker 2: as I have, I just want to play a couple
Speaker 2: of these bites for you and then we will we
Speaker 2: will move on. So here is Yes, let's start off
Speaker 2: with this is the the Palm Beach, Florida County Sheriff
Speaker 2: Rick Bradshaw. Okay, cut number one, Rob.
Speaker 4: All right. This afternoon call came out, shots fired.
Speaker 5: That was called in by the Secret Service because we're
Speaker 5: in constant contact with him all the time. We were
Speaker 5: notified to that, and we had unus here that immediately
Speaker 5: sealed off the area.
Speaker 2: Not so immediately because the guy ran away. When the
Speaker 2: Secret Service agent did the Secret Service agent did the
Speaker 2: right thing. Blow the guy up. I mean just fire.
Speaker 2: You got mess around here. The guy's got a he's
Speaker 2: got a scope, he's got a gun, and he did flee. Well,
Speaker 2: apparently the same sheriff talked about that, some person saw
Speaker 2: the guy running. They took a photo of the car
Speaker 2: and the plane, and they caught him about forty miles
Speaker 2: north on Route ninety five north, number two.
Speaker 5: Rub Fortunately, we were able to locate a witness that
Speaker 5: came to us and said, hey.
Speaker 4: I saw the guy running out of the bushes.
Speaker 5: He jumped into a black Nissan and I took a
Speaker 5: picture of the vehicle and the tank, which was great.
Speaker 4: So we had that information.
Speaker 5: Our Real Time Crime Center put it out to the.
Speaker 4: License plate readers and we were able to get a.
Speaker 5: Hit on that vehicle on I ninety five as it
Speaker 5: was headed into Martin County. We got a hold of
Speaker 5: Martin County Sheriff's office alerted them and they spotted the
Speaker 5: vehicle and pulled it over and detained the guy.
Speaker 4: After that, we took the victim. I'm sorry. The witness
Speaker 4: that witnessed the incident took flew.
Speaker 5: Him up there and he identified as the person that
Speaker 5: he saw running out.
Speaker 4: Of the bushes that jumped into the car.
Speaker 2: And again the guy supposed he was there for twelve hours.
Speaker 2: Twelve hours. This is one more SoundBite from Florida County
Speaker 2: Sheriff Palm Beach County Sheriff Rick Bradshaw cut three robed.
Speaker 5: Now in the bushes where this guy was is a
Speaker 5: eight forty seven style rifle with a scope, two backpacks
Speaker 5: which were hung on the fist that had a ceramic
Speaker 5: tile at him, had a GoPro which he was going
Speaker 5: to take pictures of.
Speaker 4: So those will be a process right now.
Speaker 2: So this is a crazy, crazy story. And are we
Speaker 2: becoming a banana Republic? I guess is really what my
Speaker 2: concern is at this point. I mean I don't want
Speaker 2: to you know, Look, it goes without saying this should
Speaker 2: none of this should happen. But we've had a bunch
Speaker 2: of these incidents in recent years. The guy that shot
Speaker 2: up the Republican softball practice a few years ago. Then
Speaker 2: you have the other the run of the Mill shootings,
Speaker 2: the guy that killed was at fifty two people at
Speaker 2: the music festival in Las Vegas, the guy last year
Speaker 2: in Maine who killed innocent people for I don't know
Speaker 2: what reason is possible. Look, I don't want anyone in
Speaker 2: this country to be shot. Let's be killed, you know,
Speaker 2: particularly if they're simply a politician running for office. So
Speaker 2: I want to know, what do you think is going
Speaker 2: on the we're in an election cycle. I get that, Okay.
Speaker 2: The Republicans are saying, well, you call this guy a fascist,
Speaker 2: you call him Hitler, you call him a dictator. You know,
Speaker 2: you do get people who are off their rockers. This
Speaker 2: is a woman on MSNBC yesterday, someone named doctor Jackie Lewis.
Speaker 2: She's on MSNBC Cut eleven. Rob. We exported, we exforded racism,
Speaker 2: fascism to NACU. We exploited it to South Africa, Donathan.
Speaker 1: We know how to do it. We're good at it.
Speaker 1: And let's not pretend that Donald Trump isn't exactly like Mussolini,
Speaker 1: exactly like Hitler.
Speaker 2: He is that guy, Okay. So first of all, how
Speaker 2: does someone like that we exploited racism and fascism to
Speaker 2: Nazi Germany? Are you serious? Lady? Who the hell are you?
Speaker 2: Doctor Jackie Lewis, we exported racism, fascism to Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. And then let's not pretend that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump isn't exactly like Mussolini, exactly like Hitler. You
Speaker 2: have people who are off their rock as they say, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, if I can stop this guy from becoming president,
Speaker 2: that's pretty weird stuff that I think. Last week we
Speaker 2: talked about Donald Trump talking about the dogs, the Haitians
Speaker 2: eating dogs and cats. Pretty weird stuff. Okay, pretty weird stuff.
Speaker 2: You don't shoot and kill somebody for being that weird.
Speaker 2: But when you start saying they're like Mussolini or Hitler,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sometimes people figure they'll be remembered in history.
Speaker 2: Let's just go to the lines. How do we stop this?
Speaker 2: What is the solution to stop this? I don't want
Speaker 2: to see anyone. And we have a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: people now running for well, two people running for president,
Speaker 2: two people running for for vice president. We have people
Speaker 2: running for the US Senate, people running for Congress. We
Speaker 2: have people on the left, on the right, Democrats, Republicans.
Speaker 2: We have Senate seats, thirty four Senate seats up. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of political candidates out there running around and
Speaker 2: it's getting pretty nasty. Somehow, some way, we have to
Speaker 2: bring back some level of civility. How can we do it?
Speaker 2: I'm looking for your advice and your guidance and your reaction.
Speaker 2: I mean, this secret Service agent hadn't seen this. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump would have been in front of this guy probably
Speaker 2: in about six one or eight minutes. He's on the
Speaker 2: fifth hole. How would have that gone down with the
Speaker 2: American people? Uh? This is this is probably one of
Speaker 2: the most serious topics we've ever talked about on Night Side.
Speaker 2: I don't want to politicize it, but I want to
Speaker 2: hear how we get out of this downward spiral? Six
Speaker 2: one seven ten thirty six one seven. Will be right
Speaker 2: back on Nightside. Let him up.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the phones. I'm gonna go to
Speaker 2: Tom and the Philippines. First. Tom, you were first this
Speaker 2: hour on Nightside. Put you right to the head of
Speaker 2: the line. Go ahead, Tom, yam, I just.
Speaker 6: The news this morning in the Philippines because I am
Speaker 6: been paying attention. But I gotta tell you something. How does.
Speaker 2: Of course at a certain Tom your line is horrible?
Speaker 2: Rob clean up his line for me, please if you can.
Speaker 2: I think Tom was asking how does a guy know? Well,
Speaker 2: I guess we got to find out. I think it
Speaker 2: should be pretty simple for them to figure that out.
Speaker 2: If the guy's willing to talk, maybe he will, maybe
Speaker 2: he won't. At the same time, maybe he just figured
Speaker 2: it's a Sunday and he figured he'd stay there. Rob
Speaker 2: were able to you lost him. Tom, if you're listening,
Speaker 2: please call us back. Okay, I think you were raising
Speaker 2: a really good question, So please Tom, give us a
Speaker 2: callback again. Maybe you're in a bad spot, but we
Speaker 2: would love to hear back from this. So I think
Speaker 2: that's a serious question. Was did the guy just all
Speaker 2: of a sudden decide to stake himself in the woods
Speaker 2: for twelve hours on the chance that Donald Trump might
Speaker 2: come by. I mean it was pretty obvious where he was.
Speaker 2: I mean, the single Secret Service agent saw at a
Speaker 2: pretty good distance the gun protruding through. I think it
Speaker 2: looked like a chain link fence. Again, I stand to
Speaker 2: be corrected on that. I'm just responding to what I
Speaker 2: saw on today. Let me go next to Dot and
Speaker 2: Tom in the Philippines' back. Okay, let's see if Okay, Tom,
Speaker 2: you just get back in under the wire. Sorry, it
Speaker 2: was all of a sudden, we lost you.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Tom, Yeah, no, I find it ironic or
Speaker 6: interesting that this man knows that Trump is going to
Speaker 6: be there at a golf course at a certain time.
Speaker 6: Let's somebody must have fed him information. And remember when
Speaker 6: the FBI went in to get the stole of the
Speaker 6: alleged stolen documents.
Speaker 3: Not only do they.
Speaker 6: Go to the storage space where Trump uh was alleged
Speaker 6: to have had those documents, but they went into Malania's bedroom.
Speaker 6: They searched that, they went all through Mar A Lago.
Speaker 6: And the one thing that really bothered me with that
Speaker 6: investigation was they told Trump's security team shut off video cameras.
Speaker 6: I have no doubt the FBI planted bugging devices in there.
Speaker 6: And I do think the FBI is compromised. I truly do.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you if that's that's Tom Waasak, that's a theory,
Speaker 2: that's your theory. Yes, I I there's no reporter in
Speaker 2: Boston that has seen the underbelly of the FBI here
Speaker 2: in Boston in the nineteen eighties nineties more than me.
Speaker 2: But boy, I'll tell you that's even way beyond I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't believe that Donald Trump's people would not have
Speaker 2: been smart enough to have done a sweep for potential
Speaker 2: bugs after the FBI came for a visit. I can't believe.
Speaker 6: That it's either that. It's either that or Trump. Someone
Speaker 6: in Trump's organization is working against him, and if his
Speaker 6: people are listening, he needs to make every person involved
Speaker 6: in his inner circle and his campaign to take light
Speaker 6: detectors tests.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me run another theory. Going to run
Speaker 2: another theory by you. Okay, what about the possibility this
Speaker 2: guy apparently he was in there for twelve hours if
Speaker 2: he had information about when Trump was going to be
Speaker 2: playing golf on his golf course. I don't think the
Speaker 2: guy would have been in there for twelve hours, do you?
Speaker 2: He apparently wouldn't there?
Speaker 6: No. I right, Well, you know something I don't know,
Speaker 6: And I don't know if Trump was a creature of
Speaker 6: habit who goes out in a particular day, every day
Speaker 6: of the week to do this. I just don't know.
Speaker 6: But I don't know anybody who's run for president in
Speaker 6: my lifetime that has had two people with firearms out
Speaker 6: in the open that are about to do an assassination attempt.
Speaker 6: And by the way, that rifle.
Speaker 2: On nineteen seventy five, I mentioned that at the top
Speaker 2: of the show, Sarah Jay of course, of squeaky.
Speaker 6: From of course. But number one, they weren't with rifles, okay,
Speaker 6: they were with handguns. And the point being that an
Speaker 6: AK forty seven hundred yards okay with a scope, is
Speaker 6: a very lethal round. It can be done. It's certainly
Speaker 6: not a thirty six, all right or another caliber.
Speaker 2: I get the point, you want it. But what I'm
Speaker 2: saying is I still if the guy had some sort
Speaker 2: of inside information that he was going to play golf
Speaker 2: in the afternoon, why are you in there since two
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. I think it more suggests to
Speaker 2: me that this guy was a nut job. He viewed
Speaker 2: himself as some sort of a soldier of fortune. If
Speaker 2: you've seen some of his videos, some of the stuff
Speaker 2: that's been reported, maybe he made a lucky guess. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't want to downplay any possibility to him.
Speaker 2: There has to be a thorough investmentation.
Speaker 6: And the other point is that you played the woman
Speaker 6: on MSNBC. You know there's a talk show host I
Speaker 6: call on the low End. I won't mention the name,
Speaker 6: but every day on his show he says ignorant, willfully ignorant,
Speaker 6: white people that are stupid are voting for Donald Trump. Well,
Speaker 6: there's all this rhetoric that's going around of demonizing people
Speaker 6: at vote for Trump as well as Donald Trump as Hitler.
Speaker 6: Donald Trump has never called for a master race or
Speaker 6: anything like that. It's all hyperbole. But here's the point.
Speaker 6: When you constantly beat that drum beat, beat that trum beat, Okay,
Speaker 6: you're going to send the nut jobs and maybe that
Speaker 6: I have no doubt. Was this guy probably a enough
Speaker 6: job who sees himself a smarter that wants to go
Speaker 6: down in history. Of course he is. I mean, my god,
Speaker 6: you know, is all kinds of terrorists that want to
Speaker 6: go down in history to be the guy who took
Speaker 6: out Hitler or took out Trump or whomever. But no,
Speaker 6: you know, I blame a lot of that on the media.
Speaker 6: Joe Biden certainly has demonized Trump's supporters, calling MAGA an
Speaker 6: existential threat to democracy.
Speaker 2: Enough again, I think the points you make are important
Speaker 2: at the same time to be fair, to be fair,
Speaker 2: you know, Trump has also engaged himself in some of
Speaker 2: this rhetoric that is over the top. The idea about
Speaker 2: you know, Haitians eating dogs and cats in Ohio, the
Speaker 2: idea about he didn't know that the Kamala Harris was black.
Speaker 3: I mean, why that doesn't That doesn't give somebody the
Speaker 3: right to take his life.
Speaker 6: Okay, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that. But what I'm saying is he's engaged.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm hearing that. That is what I'm hearing
Speaker 6: on NMSNBC and other commentators that will because of Donald
Speaker 6: Trump and his irresponsible rhetoric, has brought this all on himself.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, No, that's not in a civilized world.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Look and I understand that, and I I point the
Speaker 2: blame at this woman type. And again I don't know
Speaker 2: who you know, obviously I'm not. I've never heard of her.
Speaker 2: Jackie Lewis is her name from MSNBC. I look her
Speaker 2: up here and during the break and find out what
Speaker 2: what she's all about. But we're in a very dangerous
Speaker 2: society here at this point, and if we don't watch it,
Speaker 2: we're going to lose the country because all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: we're going to be like some sort of a banana republic.
Speaker 2: I felt that way after the kid climbed up on
Speaker 2: the roof and took a shot, which was only from
Speaker 2: about one hundred and one hundred. I don't think it
Speaker 2: was yards. I think it was feet.
Speaker 6: No, it was it was one hundred and forty yards,
Speaker 6: which Stan, I'm a deer hunter.
Speaker 2: I've got this right. It was forty yards, a little
Speaker 2: bit longer than a football field. Yeah, so you were right.
Speaker 6: That's an easy that's an easy that's an easy shot
Speaker 6: to make in a prone position. Uh. You know, I
Speaker 6: don't know why the kid had went for his He
Speaker 6: should have gone for the body, to be quite frank.
Speaker 6: But anyway, God.
Speaker 2: And thank god Trump turned his head. And I would
Speaker 2: feel the same way whether it's you know, Fham President Obama. Uh,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. We got to get if if if
Speaker 2: we don't weed this stuff out, and we live in
Speaker 2: a free society where there were nutjobs. This guy was
Speaker 2: probably a nut job at bottom line. But yeah, Manah,
Speaker 2: it's tough. Tom. Thanks for calling back, appreciate.
Speaker 3: It, Take care, Bye bye, good night.
Speaker 2: We'll take very quick break. Here comes the news six
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Speaker 2: nine three ten thirty.
Speaker 1: How are we going to handle this?
Speaker 2: And I would like to hear from some of you
Speaker 2: to say that we got to take the temperature down here. Okay,
Speaker 2: we got to take the temperature down. I was watching
Speaker 2: one of the newscasts tonight, UH and Celtics player Derek White,
Speaker 2: great basketball player, apparently played in Colorado. He was at
Speaker 2: a football game over the weekend college football game. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was Colorado Colorado State. Maybe was
Speaker 2: Colorado against Colorado State, and there was some some goon
Speaker 2: took took a swing at Derek Derek White. I mean,
Speaker 2: what's that all about. I mean, we are we we
Speaker 2: we can lose this country, folks, very easily. We can
Speaker 2: lose this country very easily. And I'm not saying lose
Speaker 2: it because of the left of the right. We could
Speaker 2: lose it because we none of us are able to
Speaker 2: be civil about this. We should be able to have conversations,
Speaker 2: have discussions, run campaigns, vote for our candidates. There should
Speaker 2: be no candidate shaming. They you know, let's let's let's
Speaker 2: raise the level of debate a little bit beyond some
Speaker 2: of the things that have been said. Let's let's aspire
Speaker 2: to our better angels, because if not, we will lose
Speaker 2: the country. Back on night Side after this, and you're
Speaker 2: on Night.
Speaker 1: Side with on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Let's go next to Dot in Medford. Welcome back. How
Speaker 2: are you hi, dear.
Speaker 7: You know, first of all, I'm so happy that you're on,
Speaker 7: because when night you're in the radio one, it's not you.
Speaker 7: It's not a happy moment. But anyway, I've had a
Speaker 7: couple of little stiffness tonight, but I am so upset
Speaker 7: that we've almost lost President Trump twice. And Tom from
Speaker 7: the Philippines said everything I agree with. He was great.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, I don't want to lose any presidents.
Speaker 2: Candidate may I remind people that the Biden administration in
Speaker 2: the in the person of may Orcus, the Secretary of
Speaker 2: Homeland Security, refuse to give Robert F. Kennedy junior secret
Speaker 2: Tell me about it. I know you knew it, but
Speaker 2: but that is a very you know, I'm I was
Speaker 2: terrified that Bobby Kennedy would get shot because you have
Speaker 2: to So this is the same, may Orcust should go
Speaker 2: this this this guy has got to go.
Speaker 7: Then a while back.
Speaker 2: Oh, the House impeached Ent, but the Senate sat on it,
Speaker 2: wouldn't bring it up for a vote.
Speaker 7: Yep, disgusting, really, but you know it is so atrocious,
Speaker 7: but you know, more atrocious than president presidential candidates. The
Speaker 7: killing of small children in their classroom. That is the
Speaker 7: worst thing that's going on in this country. That's worse
Speaker 7: than any political person.
Speaker 2: And you have Uvaldi and you have Newtown, Connecticut. Yeah,
Speaker 2: really young kids. And then you have high school shootings.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, we gotta we got to get
Speaker 2: our arms around that.
Speaker 7: This is how do you do How do you do it?
Speaker 7: When a guy like this clown in Florida could get
Speaker 7: his hands on this on this uh a gun, et cetera,
Speaker 7: with his record, how could he get us? He's got
Speaker 7: a record in North Carolina?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 7: And then he was living in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: So he's going to Ukraine. I don't know about you,
Speaker 2: but I live fairly comfortably, but I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2: I mean, once in my life he had a family vacation.
Speaker 2: I've never been to Ukraine.
Speaker 7: Well, he's got somebody backing him. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: I got a wonder.
Speaker 7: Oh, I know it for sure, I know it for sure.
Speaker 2: Obviously he doesn't have a job, does he If he
Speaker 2: doesn't have a job, and he's getting.
Speaker 7: On a business business in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: He had a business in Hawaiian What sort of business
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know, but but it's a if they should
Speaker 7: take him and put him were they're never going to
Speaker 7: find him again.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to find out everything about him. I
Speaker 2: want to find out everything about who he was in
Speaker 2: contact with. I want to find out if there were
Speaker 2: any other people involved in this. I think we don't know.
Speaker 2: We know hardly nothing about this kid Crooks in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: And when a kid is a twenty year old kid
Speaker 2: and he had somehow he was able to have email
Speaker 2: contact with people overseas and they can't encrypt what the
Speaker 2: messages were, Well, who the hell is you were a
Speaker 2: twenty year old kid?
Speaker 7: Well, of course, as my mother used to say, the
Speaker 7: Federal Bungalers of Investigations. She had no use for the
Speaker 7: FBI years ago. Well, and I think they have a
Speaker 7: terrible record.
Speaker 2: It was led by Jago whoever. You know how how
Speaker 2: much of the end of Belly I mentioned. I saw
Speaker 2: the FBI here in Boston and.
Speaker 7: You you did a great job. I'm telling you, but
Speaker 7: most people can't do it. It's too difficult. But you
Speaker 7: know something's going to be done because the next time
Speaker 7: they might kill President Trump and then what we have
Speaker 7: we'll have nothing.
Speaker 2: You have riots in the street is what you have.
Speaker 2: I mean, oh yeah, a person killed. Anyway, Dough, I
Speaker 2: love your calls.
Speaker 7: You know that, Key Cally yourself. Take care you do,
Speaker 7: Thank you much.
Speaker 2: Mixed up. I lean in Waltham. I lean your thoughts
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 8: First of all, I'm just get a quick miss on
Speaker 8: the Haitian eating dogs. When I lived in Indonesia, when
Speaker 8: I went out to eat, we never ordered meat because
Speaker 8: you didn't know what you were going to get. Okay, again, specifically,
Speaker 8: I mean.
Speaker 2: Interesting and interesting observation. I've never been to Indonesia. I
Speaker 2: don't have a desire to go to Indonesia, and I'm
Speaker 2: not familiar with their culture. So but let's talk about
Speaker 2: what we're talking about tonight. What's your thought on tonight?
Speaker 8: But that goes into that, because that's the same type
Speaker 8: of thing that people want to say.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I think it's a huge leap to
Speaker 2: say that, to say that people, I've seen no evidence
Speaker 2: of that, And I think that that the president really
Speaker 2: wasted time. The former president wasted time in his debate
Speaker 2: with Vice President Harris. How do you go there? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's like you're off. He was off in Lalla Land. Okay.
Speaker 8: So here's the thing. There's a big difference between calling
Speaker 8: people names. It's silly, it's immature, Okay, but it's different
Speaker 8: than demonizing someone. There's a big distinction there. True, this
Speaker 8: problem is not a new problem. I'd say at least
Speaker 8: thirty years ago. I did a study. I was in
Speaker 8: a taking a class called Children at Risk, and everybody
Speaker 8: was picking like alcohol, drug addiction, poverty, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 8: For what put children? I picked TV and it was
Speaker 8: very difficult to find information, but I picked that because
Speaker 8: I remember as an undergraduate, the people who are established
Speaker 8: Sesame Street had gone to hospitals and watched kids watch TV.
Speaker 8: And that's how they developed their format was it was
Speaker 8: basically an advertising format format.
Speaker 2: So Street, what was Sesame Street burden? Or are you
Speaker 2: talking about what? I don't understand the point you're trying
Speaker 2: to make. It was Sesame Street corrosive of young people's minds.
Speaker 8: No, no, I'm not making amplay. I'm saying they watched
Speaker 8: that's what initiated My investigator saying that perhaps with the
Speaker 8: violence and I'm talking about the experience of some of
Speaker 8: the cartoons, et cetera on TV. Okay, led me after
Speaker 8: having heard dad years ago say.
Speaker 9: Maybe it's TV.
Speaker 8: That we need to look at and it was very hot.
Speaker 2: Well start we should start now. As bad as TV
Speaker 2: might have been, let's let's talk about computers where kids fourteen,
Speaker 2: fifteen years old can get lost in the sea a pornography,
Speaker 2: I mean, compared Sesame Street, Burton, Irnie and.
Speaker 8: You know the Cookie Monster.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I thought you were going after Burrnie.
Speaker 2: My kids watched a lot of I love.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying is that's what led me to look
Speaker 8: at TV. Okay, because that they had used TV as
Speaker 8: a model. Okay, we say world about how it got
Speaker 8: kids attention.
Speaker 2: Okay, So how does that relate to what we're talking
Speaker 2: about tonight?
Speaker 8: I did the research? How does that.
Speaker 2: Relate to what we're talking about tonight? I lean, yeah, well, Eileen,
Speaker 2: I know you did research on TV. How does relate
Speaker 2: to what we're talking about tonight?
Speaker 8: Coming It's been developing for years? Think about this superheroes, Okay,
Speaker 8: what's the what's the ideal behind might makes right, that's
Speaker 8: the idea of superheroes. That's what it's about. We're saying
Speaker 8: that if we think we're right, we can we can
Speaker 8: use whatever.
Speaker 2: Might we want. Superheroes, superheroes been have been in Okay,
Speaker 2: you know what, Eileen, you've lost me. But and I'm
Speaker 2: up at my break. So I was trying to I
Speaker 2: was trying to actually have a conversation with at superheroes
Speaker 2: since comic books in the in the nineteen twenties and
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties, Superman, Dick Tracy, all of that was superheroes.
Speaker 2: They were the good guys, Superman fighting for you know,
Speaker 2: true justice in the American way, right, It's it's I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know where your research took you and
Speaker 2: how that relates to tonight. But I'm up on my break,
Speaker 2: so I gotta let you run.
Speaker 8: Okay, by thank you for the call.
Speaker 2: Coming back on, I.
Speaker 1: Said, Now back to Dan Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on w b Z the news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the calls and go to Susan
Speaker 2: in Gambridge. Susan, welcome next on Nightside. Go ahead, Susan.
Speaker 9: Hey, Dan, first of all, you need to study your
Speaker 9: history a little bit more, because the Nazis absolutely studied
Speaker 9: American history and our Jim Crow laws, and in fact,
Speaker 9: they based several of their early laws uh that demonized
Speaker 9: Jews on this, on those Jim Crow laws.
Speaker 2: So there's defend me saws on that, Susan, so I
Speaker 2: can so I can become intelligent written on it? No,
Speaker 2: what's give me? Give me one source so I could
Speaker 2: go read that book and I can become more intelligent.
Speaker 9: I will, uh, off the top of my head. I
Speaker 9: don't know the name of it.
Speaker 2: Good enough, Okay, what's next?
Speaker 9: God, What's what's next?
Speaker 2: Well, that's fine. Yeah, that's all I'm asking because I
Speaker 2: don't know who the books are written by. They have
Speaker 2: been written by some crackpot. I don't know that that Hitler. Hitler. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to debate whether or we're Hitler learning
Speaker 2: God what else you got?
Speaker 9: But it's pretty damn it is pretty well established that
Speaker 9: he paid a lot of attention to.
Speaker 2: I'm asking you for one book and you don't have
Speaker 2: enough the top of your head. Let's move on.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I don't have it off the top of
Speaker 9: my head. Okay, I mean I can I can cite
Speaker 9: you mind Colf.
Speaker 2: You've read mine Calf, I'm sure was there much reference
Speaker 2: in mine? Colves to Jim crow Loss. Go ahead, Susan,
Speaker 2: I don't want to debate something that's going to take
Speaker 2: us off track.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about, how can we how can we
Speaker 2: get back on track? Go ahead?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Trump is
Speaker 9: reaping what he's sewing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm stunned that you would say that. I'm
Speaker 2: stunned that you would say that.
Speaker 9: Right, Well, look all the irresponsible talk, and it's not
Speaker 9: just name calling.
Speaker 2: I mean, give me one thing that Trump has said.
Speaker 2: Give me one thing that Trump has said that deserves
Speaker 2: someone to put a bullet in him.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying he deserves have able.
Speaker 2: Well, you're saying he's reaping what he sews. Come on,
Speaker 2: he can.
Speaker 9: I am saying that he activates his irresponsible rhetoric, activates
Speaker 9: nutjobs on all sides.
Speaker 2: Give me, give me one thing that he said. Did
Speaker 2: you think would give me It's one thing. They all
Speaker 2: activate nutjobs. Okay, they all activate nutjobs. But give me
Speaker 2: one thing that he said that you think puts them
Speaker 2: into in the in you know, in the cross heirs,
Speaker 2: puts them legitimately in the crosshairs.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that, Dan. What I'm saying is that.
Speaker 2: You said he reaps what he sows, right, right, So what.
Speaker 9: He reads yesterday about the people in Springfield, Ohio, what
Speaker 9: he read leaving death threats? You know, schools are having
Speaker 9: to be dismissed because there's bomb threats, because you know,
Speaker 9: the former president of the United States said something utterly ridiculous,
Speaker 9: you know, in front of sixty seven million people.
Speaker 2: And I think it was utterly ridiculous. I think it
Speaker 2: was shameful. Okay, but I don't think that and puts
Speaker 2: it in the cross heirs dangers.
Speaker 9: You don't think there are there are now Haitian immigrants
Speaker 9: whose lives are in danger. What about the election workers
Speaker 9: in Georgia, the two women who won their suit against
Speaker 9: Rudy Giuliani, who you know, had you know, death threats
Speaker 9: because Trump put it out there on social media, put
Speaker 9: those names out there. I mean, he is just he
Speaker 9: has put so many other things.
Speaker 2: So all of this, all of this then then puts
Speaker 2: him in the crosshairs. Yes, okay, So so therefore you agree.
Speaker 3: That they were responsible, that.
Speaker 2: He reaps what he shows what he shows, Therefore it's
Speaker 2: okay to put him in the crosshairs, is what you're
Speaker 2: saying to me.
Speaker 9: I'm not no, I'm well you just said, yes, come
Speaker 9: on saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying
Speaker 9: that it's the consequence of his own What are.
Speaker 2: You saying, then, Susan, what are you saying? You said?
Speaker 2: First of all, you said, he reaps what he solves.
Speaker 2: You talk to me about the language that he used
Speaker 2: about the pole workers, the language that he used about
Speaker 2: the Haitians, which I think was disgraceful. Okay, And then
Speaker 2: I said to.
Speaker 9: You that the environment of heap of just insanity. You know,
Speaker 9: it's not just lack of civility, it's complete, you know, chaos.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you should have Bobby Kennedy Jr. Been
Speaker 2: given Secret Service protection by the Biden Ministry, by the
Speaker 2: Biden Harris administration.
Speaker 9: I don't know the particulars about how those decisions are made,
Speaker 9: but it seems to feel like you probably should have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably probably. You know you know the history. You
Speaker 2: know the history of the Kennedy family better than anybody, Susan.
Speaker 2: I got to get on more Indian before the break,
Speaker 2: so let me let you run. Okay, as always, appreciate
Speaker 2: you to the book. Absolutely, I'd love to see who
Speaker 2: the author is. You know, maybe it's a legitimate offer.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't read. I read a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff I haven't read that way to come hold on,
Speaker 2: Rob will give you my direct email. Rob gives Susan
Speaker 2: my direct email. Next up is Jim in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Thank you you, Susan. Don't hang up Jim in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Go go ahead, Jim. How are you tonight? Well, if
Speaker 2: we've lost Jim in Kansas City, we'll put Jim on hold.
Speaker 2: Maybe get him in the next hour. Let me go
Speaker 2: next to David san Antonio. Dave, I'll caution you, we're
Speaker 2: getting close to the end of the hour. Go ahead, buddy, Well,
Speaker 2: we lost him, so we're gonna go to We're gonna
Speaker 2: go to Patrick and Charlestown. Patrick, this is your lucky day.
Speaker 3: You don't have to hold another one.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: They just keep getting better. Hey, listen, I got two things.
Speaker 3: First off, let's let's just think about the psy ops
Speaker 3: that this entire thing is by focusing on the dogs
Speaker 3: and the cats. The fact of the matter is the
Speaker 3: story is democratic policy destroying the lives of mostly poor
Speaker 3: Americans who have no voice. That's the story.
Speaker 2: Which which Donald Trump should have whiched. Donald should have
Speaker 2: articulated Patrick, I agree with you. I agree with you
Speaker 2: that that city has been beset by I think it's
Speaker 2: about twenty thousand, a city of fifty thousand people, you know,
Speaker 2: not half as big as Newton. Just to put it
Speaker 2: in some.
Speaker 3: Perspective, Yeah, it's funny, but Newton never seems to get
Speaker 3: these immigrants though, and they never.
Speaker 2: Why do you think I mentioned new democratic policies?
Speaker 3: They never seem to.
Speaker 2: Be Patrick, Patrick, why do you think I mentioned Newton?
Speaker 2: I'm on your side, buddy.
Speaker 3: Listen. The second thing is, Dan, you are one of
Speaker 3: the most courageous reporters in Boston history who risk your
Speaker 3: life for years investigating corruption, Irish mob, Italian mob. Many
Speaker 3: people could have taken you out, and you had the guts,
Speaker 3: no matter what, to risk your life to get the
Speaker 3: truth out there. Now let me and you're also a
Speaker 3: great lawyer, so let me ask you this. When you
Speaker 3: investigate a facts facts, do you do due diligence? Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: And could you describe what looking into a claim might
Speaker 3: look like in terms of someone makes a claim, even
Speaker 3: if you believe it's outrageous, do you just claim that
Speaker 3: it's out Not you, Dan, But is it appropriate to
Speaker 3: just say affirmatively a claim is outrageous without investigating it first?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that there was if you're talking about
Speaker 2: Haitians eating dogs and cats. Where we started in Springfield, Ohio,
Speaker 2: the mayor out there, the police chief, as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, the Republican governor said that's just not true. Now,
Speaker 2: as we said before at the start of the conversation,
Speaker 2: that city has absorbed about twenty thousand legitimate immigrants who
Speaker 2: came here by the at the request of the Biden administration,
Speaker 2: So that's what he should have focused on.
Speaker 3: Do you think you've exhausted all of your potential sources
Speaker 3: of information, not d end but the national media. Do
Speaker 3: you think some.
Speaker 2: People come forward, Have some people come forward, Have some
Speaker 2: people come forward, Bring five or six or ten people
Speaker 2: come forward and say, my dog was stolen and I
Speaker 2: saw that. You know what I'm saying, it's it's not true.
Speaker 3: This plentiful it's available, Dan, there's a there's a police
Speaker 3: report and it's recorded on August twenty sixth, talking about
Speaker 3: four du four geese being taken. You can listen to
Speaker 3: it and on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I know I've seen that report, but the the geese
Speaker 2: were not a dog or a cat. Okay, look Patrick,
Speaker 2: I got a run. Thank you for your thank you
Speaker 2: for your kind words, and I'm just I'm up against it.
Speaker 2: You read the clock as well as I do. We
Speaker 2: will continue our conversation, not after the news, but we'll
Speaker 2: continue our conversation I'm sure in the next few weeks,
Speaker 2: and I'm next time. Hopefully i'll get you before we
Speaker 2: get you know, I'll try not to take it before
Speaker 2: a newscast. Okay, I gotta run. Thanks Patrick, we'll take
Speaker 2: a break. If you'd like to join the conversation, you
Speaker 2: have the numbers, Bring it on.