Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
Speaker 1: is Timothy Duckworth. We are done with the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five PGT season, even though it is twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: January thirteenth, to be exact, six fifty seven pm. Chad
Speaker 1: eve Sledge did the damn thing. He came out on
Speaker 1: top of the PGT Million Dollar Championship, taking home five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. A stacked event, a stacked final table.
Speaker 1: Eve Sledge played well, of course, as he generally always does,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter the variant. This one happened to be nolamit HoldEm.
Speaker 1: But Eve Sledge one of the best in the world,
Speaker 1: and he also caught some pretty pretty damn good cards.
Speaker 1: I think every time I looked, he had pocket jacks.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you just get dealt pocket jacks
Speaker 1: every single hand, you're likely going to end up in
Speaker 1: the winner circle, you know, especially when you combine it
Speaker 1: with the skill and the experience that eve Sledge has.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be the gist of this episode,
Speaker 1: or the large portion of this episode talking about that
Speaker 1: PGT Championship event. I guess preview twenty twenty six. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be here before we know it
Speaker 1: a couple weeks away, but you know how these things
Speaker 1: always speak up on us. Of course, if you guys
Speaker 1: did miss the event, and if you want to avoid
Speaker 1: some spoilers, I mean sorry, I already told you who won.
Speaker 1: But also turn the podcast off and then go over
Speaker 1: to pokergot dot com find the live stream of not
Speaker 1: only the Final Table which took place today, but day
Speaker 1: one coverage as well. Again for this season ending championship event.
Speaker 1: Big takeaways. I guess what do you got for me?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? What's rolling off the brain? What's
Speaker 1: kicking around in there? You look entirely preoccupied right now.
Speaker 1: I wish I could I could show you guys how
Speaker 1: preoccupied Tim looks when we get on this goddamn podcast.
Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. He's doing nineteen other things.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a I'm just just trying to tackle
Speaker 2: everything as I can.
Speaker 1: Look, I know there is a time and a place
Speaker 1: right now is the podcast.
Speaker 3: Okay. It was a good final table, And when I
Speaker 3: say good, I mean we.
Speaker 2: Had a wide variety of players and how they qualified.
Speaker 3: Siding with Chad.
Speaker 2: Obviously he won the Super High Rollerball mix you know
Speaker 2: that was the uh you know that, plus the mixame series,
Speaker 2: possible series. That's he's basically his main way getting in.
Speaker 2: We had Lucky Chewy, pthora of cashes all season, plays
Speaker 2: PLO plays No Limit, had the eighteen cash Buddy now nineteen.
Speaker 2: I guess right, No, this doesn't cut us, it does.
Speaker 2: Second place finished to Jason Kern WSP fifty Hirolla. He
Speaker 2: also won the opening event of the season PGT Kickoff
Speaker 2: nearly one, the final event that.
Speaker 1: Would little have been crazy.
Speaker 2: Michael Wang always plays our PLO events, plays most of
Speaker 2: our No Limit Holono events. He won the ten k
Speaker 2: Plow Championship. That's how he got in. Daniel m'grano a
Speaker 2: little bit of here, you're kind of last few hlast
Speaker 2: few months, but you're.
Speaker 1: Kind of lying. You lied about Chatty said, you just
Speaker 1: lied about Michael Wang.
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: You said this is how they got in. That's not
Speaker 1: how they got I'm just saying, look, we get in
Speaker 1: by winning super Hills games. That has tried to earn
Speaker 1: points to qualify on the leaderboard. Now the bulk of
Speaker 1: their points keeping, that's what I'm trying to get again.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say I'm here to preoccupied.
Speaker 2: Tim Duckworth over here, I'm looking at the results right now.
Speaker 2: Daniel mgrano a little quiet last few months, but aed
Speaker 2: his's two victories earlier in the year. Obviously a hell
Speaker 2: of a lot of points of the WSP. We look
Speaker 2: at John ord AND's Super High roller Ball PLO winner,
Speaker 2: That's how he was kind of there. We've got Eric
Speaker 2: Blair massive start of the year, shoutout massive. He had
Speaker 2: the was a five consecutive cashes at the US Poker Open.
Speaker 2: He had his multiple victories all front loaded pre World
Speaker 2: Series for Eric Blair and then Aaron Cooper Dream Seat winner.
Speaker 2: Obviously he's still very experienced player. He has final table
Speaker 2: WBT event he has, He's a regular in RPGT mixed
Speaker 2: game series. He was the winner of an event down
Speaker 2: in WSP Paradise which also carried a dream See So
Speaker 2: a nice mix of players at this final table, some
Speaker 2: p low specialist, no limits specialist, mixed game specialists, the
Speaker 2: dream See winner.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 2: So that's the first kind of impression, you know, I
Speaker 2: got from the final table. We also had some close
Speaker 2: calls coming. You know, as we approached that final seven
Speaker 2: that came back today, obviously previous PGT player of the yes,
Speaker 2: Steven Chidwick.
Speaker 3: Bout out in eighth place. Last night.
Speaker 2: We also had dream See winner Ed Miller, who qualified
Speaker 2: you know via Rungo. They do a dream scene invitation
Speaker 2: at the end of their season. All the ring winners
Speaker 2: get to play for that winner represents run Good. And
Speaker 2: then we obviously had the most recently crowned PGT player,
Speaker 2: the Alex Foxen adding thirteenth and then the PGT Last
Speaker 2: Chance dreamc winner odb Baker fourteenth place. So, you know,
Speaker 2: just those last two tables a good wide variety of
Speaker 2: players and that all led to pretty you know, interesting
Speaker 2: mix of players at that final table.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, this was a really great event. It
Speaker 1: was by far our best PGT Championship ever, at least
Speaker 1: in my opinion. I really liked everything that came out
Speaker 1: of it, you know, my resulting thoughts and feelings. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel really good about where this event is. If
Speaker 1: I were to equate it to something more mainstream, I
Speaker 1: would say this is Poker's version of the FedEx Cup.
Speaker 1: That's how I describe it. And if you know, what
Speaker 1: the FedEx Cup is from golf. You need to familiar
Speaker 1: size yourself with it, sir, then this this is poker's
Speaker 1: version of that. So yeah, I think we're moving things
Speaker 1: along quite nicely in terms of the PGT Championship and
Speaker 1: the PGT brand, and I'm excited to kick things off
Speaker 1: with the twenty twenty sixth season and see where we
Speaker 1: can go from here. Chad E. S Ledge one of
Speaker 1: the absolute best, certainly one of the best all around
Speaker 1: players in the world. I'm sure you could make the
Speaker 1: case for the argument that he is the best all
Speaker 1: around player in the world. You know, He's one of
Speaker 1: those guys where maybe if he spent more time traveling
Speaker 1: the tournament circuit, playing some some lower buying type of stuff,
Speaker 1: then then he would start racking up many more titles
Speaker 1: than he already has.
Speaker 3: He doesn't need to worry about those small stakes.
Speaker 1: No, I know all the stuff, trust me, I understand, okay,
Speaker 1: And in that turn, That's what I was going to
Speaker 1: get into next, is like, you know, if he were
Speaker 1: someone who wanted to start making the leap to Triton
Speaker 1: or stuff like that, you know, then he could also
Speaker 1: be crushing there. You know, as it pertains to our events.
Speaker 1: Our events are higher stakes than some of the smaller
Speaker 1: stuff that I mentioned, right, But he really only comes
Speaker 1: out to our stuff for mixed games, you know. But
Speaker 1: he's a guy who if let's say he put in
Speaker 1: a whole volume on the PGT, or a whole season's
Speaker 1: volume on the PGT, then he would be absolutely crushing, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's I know, he said in his post
Speaker 1: win interview with Jeff that he was kind of wondering
Speaker 1: if he was a little bit washed up, you know.
Speaker 1: I know this is a little tongue in cheek for him,
Speaker 1: but a little bit washed up in terms of like
Speaker 1: where his no limit game is specifically, especially compared to
Speaker 1: some of these crushers that are in the field that
Speaker 1: he had a battle with in this event. You know,
Speaker 1: but Chad could certainly hold his own, and you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to knock himself or his game in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. He is extremely capable, and
Speaker 1: he's also one of those players who's extremely sharp and
Speaker 1: can figure things out on the fly. So if there
Speaker 1: are players that are giving him a little bit of
Speaker 1: a tougher go of things as the tournament is playing,
Speaker 1: he's somebody who's certainly going to adjust and figure things
Speaker 1: out as they go.
Speaker 3: So can I go through so much chance results real quick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, got WSP circuit ring back in twenty thirteen, long
Speaker 2: time ago twenty twenty one, won twenty five k Hyroller
Speaker 2: down in Seminole. That's kind of his big kind of
Speaker 2: market result, I would say. Then that led him too,
Speaker 2: just a run of crushing WPT Venetian for nine hundred K.
Speaker 2: Then he went on to win the twenty five KWSP
Speaker 2: No Limit hold him for one point four million. Then
Speaker 2: he won five Diamond for another million. Then he won
Speaker 2: the Dealer's Choice bracelet on one hundred and thirty K.
Speaker 2: Then he won the next Dealer's Choice bracelet about four
Speaker 2: days later for three hundred K. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: crazy little a week of the Yeah, and then did
Speaker 2: pretty much nothing for the rest of the series. Then
Speaker 2: he won the hundred k Super Hiroller Bowl in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, and then he added the twenty five k
Speaker 2: horse Hyroller at the World Series last year for eight
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty K. And then you add this here,
Speaker 2: so his wins, you know, obviously he got the circuit
Speaker 2: ring and some other little small suppit all these wins
Speaker 2: are just in you know, massive WPT titles, WSP bracelets,
Speaker 2: so twenty five K high rollers or one hundred K
Speaker 2: high rollers, just like you know, an absolute basic. The
Speaker 2: only thing kind of missing from this is you know,
Speaker 2: some pl O wins. So maybe that's what he needs.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's he's good with no limit, he's good with max.
Speaker 2: He needs to get into PLO streets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen again, if he put in as
Speaker 1: much tournament volume as you see some of these other
Speaker 1: guys put in, you know, chat Eve Sledge would be
Speaker 1: up there with the Koons, the Chidwicks, et cetera. As
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, a very deserving winner in the
Speaker 1: PGT championship events. You know, he caught big hands when
Speaker 1: he needed to, but but played really well down the
Speaker 1: stretch for sure, And it really was you know, Chett
Speaker 1: Eve Sledge's final table. I'll say, maybe not his entire tournaments,
Speaker 1: you know, because the at least the second half of
Speaker 1: Day one really did belong to first Andrew Lucky Chewie Lichtenberger,
Speaker 1: and then it turned towards Michael Wang and those two
Speaker 1: players came in one two. Wang was first, Chew he
Speaker 1: was second, entering the final table. But then uh, Eve Sledge,
Speaker 1: I think he took both of them out at the Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he obviously beat Chewy heads up, and then he
Speaker 1: took out Wang. He did get a little lucky against Wang.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but it wasn't like a crazy
Speaker 1: Wang flopped top two pair on ten nine to eight flop.
Speaker 1: Usledge had kings and the river was an eight to
Speaker 1: counterfeit the two pair of Wang. What were the payouts
Speaker 1: in this thing?
Speaker 2: Chad took home half a million dollars, Lucky Chewy two
Speaker 2: hundred k, Michael Wang one hundred and twenty k, Daniel
Speaker 2: eighty thousand, Aaron Cooper and sixty k John Reordan forty thousand.
Speaker 2: Very uh, very polarizing, payous, very top heavy good. There
Speaker 2: should be a couple of reasons. We've been told players
Speaker 2: won a big first price. Second of all, it's good
Speaker 2: marketing number. Half a million dollars. It's not obviously conventional
Speaker 2: payoffs fifty percent first.
Speaker 3: But look, it's a free roll.
Speaker 2: We can do whatever we want, and hey, if they
Speaker 2: want to talk a deal, they can talk to But
Speaker 2: I didn't think these guys even discussed that they were
Speaker 2: just Wang, Bass said they went to take a little
Speaker 2: tolet break and straight back in on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they might have talked to deal. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you never know what these guys
Speaker 1: do on those those short you know, two three five
Speaker 1: minute breaks or whatever, but I doubt it, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think at least my read on the situation
Speaker 1: is that Chatty Sledge isn't someone who's gonna be willing
Speaker 1: to necessarily chop, you know, and saying with a lucky chewi,
Speaker 1: you know, I think these guys are going to play
Speaker 1: for It also does help when you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day it is a free role. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that helps with it to some degree. Big gap
Speaker 1: between first and second, but I think we like it
Speaker 1: that way. And yeah, these guys went forward and good
Speaker 1: on them. So what do you got on the entire
Speaker 1: PGT season like coming out of it all? I know
Speaker 1: it's obviously just ended, but you know you happy with it.
Speaker 1: You think we got things to improve upon. You know,
Speaker 1: where's your mind going for this twenty twenty five campaigns?
Speaker 2: We can always improve, just figure out kind of exactly
Speaker 2: where I think for us, we're gonna immediately look at
Speaker 2: introducing hands per level for final tables. I'm not really
Speaker 2: sure what that number is. We can obviously try and
Speaker 2: look at some data points. That's the first thing we're
Speaker 2: gonna kind of mole over. I think we may have
Speaker 2: touched on a last episode. But you know, we're going
Speaker 2: to make some you know, adjustments next year. But you
Speaker 2: know what I thought twenty twenty five was great. You know,
Speaker 2: we introduce a wide variety of new things. We had
Speaker 2: the Showcase of Poke Masters. That's our first multi flight,
Speaker 2: no limit hold them event here in the studio. That
Speaker 2: was a success, Introducing new trophies pokem Masters, Purple Jacket
Speaker 2: Trophy was the best trophy of the year. Added a
Speaker 2: new series, We added the Bounty Blitz. We tried something there,
Speaker 2: maybe fell a bit short. We added the the PGT
Speaker 2: Venetian in Las Vegas Classic. That was a pretty good
Speaker 2: event too. But yeah, I think we learned a few things.
Speaker 2: We're going to adapt. We're going to make some alterations
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six and looking forward to what else
Speaker 2: we can cook up. What can we do with this
Speaker 2: new I always like to do, I mean new every season.
Speaker 1: Oh great, can't we can't wait for this? Nonsense?
Speaker 2: No, no, like you know, Like what I mean is like
Speaker 2: we've since the start, we've either added an event or
Speaker 2: added a series. We've either you know, we headed to
Speaker 2: Houston for the Champions Club. So what's what's next? What's new?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Someways I don't know what that is. I don't really
Speaker 3: have an answer.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm just looking forward to, you know,
Speaker 2: widening the PGT net and then you know, what adjustments
Speaker 2: can we make? How do we make this to it
Speaker 2: a little differently? You know, we're going to tweak the
Speaker 2: points system a little bit. We're going to make add decimals, nods.
Speaker 1: Why why are we rounding?
Speaker 3: It's fine? Rounding is fine, No, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Ridiculous is a strong strong word, sir.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. I'm here to tell you when you're ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Look, what I want to do is, you know, for
Speaker 2: most people that are aware anything tenthou dollar buying or
Speaker 2: under is basically one to one. I would like to
Speaker 2: give a bit more value to the sub ten case.
Speaker 2: And when I'm talking about that five K buyings, three
Speaker 2: K buyings, we've we've done at Venetian and we've done
Speaker 2: at Champions Club and we're bringing here to the studio
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to rule it out, but is
Speaker 2: there a world for two thousand dollars buyons in here
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars minds, I don't know, but we're going
Speaker 2: to change the points to give those a bit more value,
Speaker 2: really incentivize people to, you know, play down. But also
Speaker 2: if you're a high volume player at those stakes, we'll
Speaker 2: call them low stakes. You know, for the for the PGT,
Speaker 2: there's a bit more on there for you, you know,
Speaker 2: for the Jeremy Becker is out there, the Francis Anderson's,
Speaker 2: there's a bit, there's some more points that they can
Speaker 2: pick up, so that you know, these the months, the
Speaker 2: points that you see at the World Series, in the
Speaker 2: twenty five k's and fifty ks and one hundred ks,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a bit, there's a bit there's a
Speaker 2: way to soften, soften the blow a little bit in
Speaker 2: some other events.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to make that change.
Speaker 2: I feel like this three K price point is just
Speaker 2: just really good.
Speaker 3: Here in Vegas.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've floated the idea to players about
Speaker 2: doing a three K series six three ks. You know,
Speaker 2: back to back to back. They're like, yes, one hundred
Speaker 2: percent love that. We definitely can feel the studio doing that.
Speaker 2: So look, well the experiment do some other stuff, but
Speaker 2: we're also going to try and make things better. Like
Speaker 2: I said, his hands per level at the final table,
Speaker 2: the best, the best thing to do. I'm indifferent to it,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm open to I'm opening to improving
Speaker 2: anything that you.
Speaker 3: Know, anyone wants.
Speaker 2: I think you made it aware to me that you
Speaker 2: know Pads you know, had an Instagram sorry saying he
Speaker 2: has a few suggestions for us. Reached out to him
Speaker 2: on Instagram said give him to me. I'm open to listening.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard back yet, but you know, we had
Speaker 2: a good conversation with Lucky Chiwy before he exited the
Speaker 2: studio and he shared his thoughts on a lot of things.
Speaker 2: So look, we're always open to hearing from everyone, and
Speaker 2: we just want to make the tour as best as
Speaker 2: we can for these guys, as you know, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's their money.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean listen, I'm all for listening to
Speaker 1: the players to an extent. You know, I know there
Speaker 1: are oftentimes suggestions that I don't know. Maybe they don't
Speaker 1: fully think everything through. But I also think that that
Speaker 1: goes both ways. You know, maybe we try and do
Speaker 1: something that it's like, oh, well, you guys aren't fully
Speaker 1: thinking something through, So you know, I get it. Definitely
Speaker 1: try and have the most symbiotic relationship as we can
Speaker 1: with the players, which is a good thing. So it's
Speaker 1: now been five seasons of the PGT. First season was
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. You had Rock Ostizza winning the PGT
Speaker 1: Championship event that year. I believe it was a fifty
Speaker 1: k buy in for that one. Then we had Jason Kuhn,
Speaker 1: then we had Daniel Smilkovich, and then we had Jeremy
Speaker 1: Osmas last year, and then of course this year, as
Speaker 1: we already talked about, Chad Evesledge. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: five seasons feels like a nice little checkpoint to kind
Speaker 1: of look at things as a whole. I mean, what
Speaker 1: are your do you have any thoughts on I don't know,
Speaker 1: the five year span of the tour. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like we're ahead of where we were planning to be,
Speaker 1: behind where we're planning to be. I mean, I'll flat
Speaker 1: i'd say it. I know some of us didn't think
Speaker 1: this thing will last more than two years, so we're
Speaker 1: not moving into season six, so you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's caught on very well. Listen, I've
Speaker 1: said this before, I'll say it again, but I know
Speaker 1: we're not you know, setting insane records here with with turnouts.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not. It's not thousand player fields stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But it's just a different type of tour
Speaker 1: of poker tournament, you know, focusing on higher buy ins,
Speaker 1: better more skilled players, you know, try and get you know,
Speaker 1: some of the best players in the world to come
Speaker 1: out here to the studio and elsewhere when we go
Speaker 1: to other properties, but mainly here at the studio and
Speaker 1: try and get them to compete in a season long quest.
Speaker 1: You know, we always hear about it, and we've heard
Speaker 1: about it for many, many years, you know, since the
Speaker 1: Dawn of poker. You know, you know, volume, volume, volume,
Speaker 1: You're never going to realize anything unless you put in
Speaker 1: the volume. So and I know sample size still isn't
Speaker 1: probably what you need it to be to realize like
Speaker 1: true results. But extending something over an entire season that
Speaker 1: lasts a whole year, I think it's probably the closest
Speaker 1: you're going to get, yeah, you know, to realizing that.
Speaker 1: So in that way, you know, I like it and
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the most obvious thing we've seen
Speaker 2: is the desire and the kind of yearning to get
Speaker 2: into the championship. You know, it's not like it's and
Speaker 2: it's not like an a media write back, right, there's
Speaker 2: some you know, I guess twenty k in equity or
Speaker 2: EV for these guys. It's a very top heavy tournament,
Speaker 2: but it's very obvious that these guys really want to
Speaker 2: be part of the championship. And you see that a
Speaker 2: PGT lost chance, you see the sweats, you see the
Speaker 2: like you know, they understand everything that goes into just
Speaker 2: qualifying and like it's something they want to be, something
Speaker 2: they want to be part of. You know, that's probably
Speaker 2: the best thing. And like, you know, it started with
Speaker 2: twenty one players and it was like a whatever kind
Speaker 2: of event. We didn't get many showing up. And then
Speaker 2: you know, we expanded, we had the dream seats and
Speaker 2: you know, we made rule changes this year to make
Speaker 2: sure we hit the full field, which we did all
Speaker 2: fifty four players and there's definitely, Like I think when
Speaker 2: it comes to poker, you have the leaderboards, they care
Speaker 2: about that, they care about the chase, the fight, the
Speaker 2: prizes or the money whatever's on offer. And I think
Speaker 2: this year really really, it was really showed when it
Speaker 2: came to that BGT Last Chance. So I think that's
Speaker 2: something we kind of maybe didn't expect and that's kind
Speaker 2: of kept this tour ticking into like what's going to
Speaker 2: be the sixth season?
Speaker 1: Do you have any predictions on next season? I know
Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily plan for, yes, but any thoughts for
Speaker 1: what we might see maybe maybe like, are there any
Speaker 1: players who play the higher volume of PGT events this
Speaker 1: last season that you think will continue? Are there any
Speaker 1: players that you think will scale back? Obviously there's a
Speaker 1: lot of players that have told us they're going to
Speaker 1: scale back. With the whole tax situation, which is still
Speaker 1: you know, seems like it's very much up in the air,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't necessarily know. I'm reading something
Speaker 1: on social media right now speaking of being preoccupied, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't seem like it's good for
Speaker 1: the tax thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that look, the tax thing is going to
Speaker 2: be the biggest factor in the year, and when we
Speaker 2: are wait here next year, you know, I think we'll
Speaker 2: be discussing the tour with that in mind. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe come much it doesn't matter, or maybe it's really
Speaker 2: messes everything up and everything kind of shrinks. So it's
Speaker 2: hard to really speak on terms of volume for players,
Speaker 2: you know, even the ones we talked to, we don't
Speaker 2: really know when I you know, when it comes push
Speaker 2: to shove, you know, pigt kickoff or a cup if
Speaker 2: they'll be here. So, like I said, we're just going
Speaker 2: to make those adjustments, and what I think is going
Speaker 2: to happen is way you know, probably starting in the
Speaker 2: back half of the year, you know, post World Series
Speaker 2: or even during World Series, I think we will start
Speaker 2: doing a few different things to try and get new
Speaker 2: people in here, you know, whether it's a series of
Speaker 2: three ks or whether we can figure out some kind
Speaker 2: of cool two K buying, one K buying multi flight
Speaker 2: event that we can fit in the space, because that's
Speaker 2: always going to be our issue. So just trying to
Speaker 2: get new blood in the studio is always a big thing,
Speaker 2: and even with our majors, like just trying to get
Speaker 2: a few more satellites. Trying to get create that value
Speaker 2: for the for the regulars, is important for the for
Speaker 2: our players ecosystem. But yeah, it's really hard to speak
Speaker 2: of this year just because of the tax thing. Like
Speaker 2: if that wasn't a part of it, I would say
Speaker 2: we would continue to grow, we would be having more events,
Speaker 2: we would be having more new people, would be having
Speaker 2: more unique players, because I think the PGT is slowly
Speaker 2: just it's it's it's a slow, it's slow process, but
Speaker 2: we're slowly gaining, you know, that ground to where we
Speaker 2: can compete with you know, at a different level, but
Speaker 2: compete with WSPWBT or TRENT. It's never going to be
Speaker 2: any of those, but we definitely have a place here
Speaker 2: in Vegas, a constant, you know, to or throughout the
Speaker 2: whole year, you know, with some you know, little variations
Speaker 2: at other venues. But yeah, it's just it's just too
Speaker 2: hard to say what's going to happen in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: sixth and being honest.
Speaker 1: Well it sounds to me like, I mean, he was
Speaker 1: here for two and a half days, Daniel Legrand, who
Speaker 1: might not put in a full schedule in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six I don't know. He seems so much more interested.
Speaker 2: In golf, is my read he seems, I mean half
Speaker 2: the time he was playing today at the final table,
Speaker 2: we see him practicing his chip shot or something that
Speaker 2: I know. So, yeah, look, does Daniel need to play poker? No?
Speaker 3: Does he need the money? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't speak for his money, but probably not. Come on,
Speaker 2: does he doesn't need I don't know. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to speak on part of his finances. He might have
Speaker 2: made some bad investments in something.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 2: Does he need to stamp his legacy a little harder?
Speaker 2: I would say that since he won that bracelet in
Speaker 2: the fifty k, that's a pretty that was a pretty
Speaker 2: big stamp to his legacy. So he may be like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I don't need to be on the
Speaker 2: top of the old time money list. I don't need
Speaker 2: to hit one hundred million bracelets are good. I'll grind bracest.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I spoke with him a little bit today and as
Speaker 2: we were walking in to the studio and sounds like,
Speaker 2: you know, he it's very much I'm goal focused. We'll
Speaker 2: see what my playing schedule is like, you know, outside
Speaker 2: of that, and even at the World Series and for
Speaker 2: him to say I'm not going to play every day,
Speaker 2: it's a little hard to believe.
Speaker 3: And we'll sell with see if it happens.
Speaker 2: But you know, there's also the personal side, got the
Speaker 2: wife at home, trying to have some kiddies, you know,
Speaker 2: like where does that go? You know, if they do
Speaker 2: end up having a child, you know, that's obviously going
Speaker 2: to take you know, we know, we know how it
Speaker 2: is a photographer. Antonio is learning how it is. Takes
Speaker 2: a lot of time out of your regular life. So
Speaker 2: I think he I wouldn't be surprised if he scales
Speaker 2: it back everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think he'll. I think Daniel will.
Speaker 1: And Daniel finished fourth place in the PGT Championship, so
Speaker 1: that's why this is kind of top of mind. You know,
Speaker 1: he hadn't been playing a lot of PGT events towards
Speaker 1: the second half of the season, you know, and especially
Speaker 1: as things went into the later months of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Obviously he was down in the Bahamas during WSP Paradise
Speaker 1: playing the joint events that were you know, both the
Speaker 1: WSOP events and PGT qualifying down there. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just get the sense that you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: he's just kind of kind of focused on improving his
Speaker 1: golf game, chilling at home and living that sort of
Speaker 1: life right now. Now. I will also say that, you know,
Speaker 1: having known Daniel for for many years, that he's highly competitive,
Speaker 1: and I think eventually he'll kind of swing back to poker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so maybe he scales back in terms of
Speaker 1: PGT or even if that is W s AP or whatever,
Speaker 1: but you know, eventually, I think that drive will kind
Speaker 1: of come back, you know, kind of just like it
Speaker 1: right now, it's coming back to him with golf, Like
Speaker 1: he really wants to focus on the golf stuff and
Speaker 1: he wants to get better there. You know, I think
Speaker 1: eventually he'll he'll kick back around to coming back into
Speaker 1: poker and then maybe he'll make you know, a couple
Speaker 1: more big pushes here and there, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: similar to what we've seen, not not maybe this season
Speaker 1: because it did kind of you know, fall off towards
Speaker 1: the end, but but prior seasons, you know, he was
Speaker 1: out here battling every single every single time that there
Speaker 1: was an event here at the studio. So I think
Speaker 1: that's what we'll kind of see for Daniel. I mean
Speaker 1: this is kind of related, but you know, because he
Speaker 1: obviously supports him and whatnot. But Jeremy Becker, I think
Speaker 1: he's someone who's going to go the other way. You know,
Speaker 1: he's coming off that big score in December at the WPT.
Speaker 1: You know, he won over seven hundred K for taking
Speaker 1: fifth place in that WPT World Championship events. He's had
Speaker 1: some other scores around town. He's done well here in
Speaker 1: the studio as of late. So I think Jeremi Becker
Speaker 1: is somebody who I mean, he's always told me that,
Speaker 1: you know, he wants to just keep playing bigger and
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and play as high as possible.
Speaker 3: That's his goal.
Speaker 1: So you know, he's someone where I don't think he
Speaker 1: cares one bit about backing off as it pertains to
Speaker 1: the tax stuff. So you know, if he's got the
Speaker 1: money and he's playing well and feels like he's on form,
Speaker 1: you know he's going to be in here and he's
Speaker 1: going to be firing away. So he's someone who I
Speaker 1: would expect to actually scale up his volume, whereas we
Speaker 1: might see someone like you know, a Daniel mcgrown you
Speaker 1: scale back. You know, that's kind of my I read
Speaker 1: on the situation there and then I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just kind of get the sense that a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys again are just going to be here just firing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what. I mean, what else
Speaker 1: are they going to do with their lives?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: This is what they do. They play poker, they gamble,
Speaker 1: and that's that. So I mean, we'll see, you know,
Speaker 1: I think one of the big things Tim and I
Speaker 1: have talked about it, and I think we've said it
Speaker 1: here on the podcast, but those those high roller events
Speaker 1: that are coming up at Seminole. You know, speaking of
Speaker 1: Jeremy Becker, he's currently on a plane right now going
Speaker 1: down there. But you know, how well do those events
Speaker 1: draw You know, you can't really use this PGT Last
Speaker 1: Chance series as a good gauge because there's just so
Speaker 1: much tied to qualifying for the free roll that I
Speaker 1: think anyone that was possibly thinking about scaling back is
Speaker 1: still going to fire hard during Last Chance just for
Speaker 1: the chance to get into the free roll. And then
Speaker 1: they'll they'll readjust you know, post Last Chance, post PGT Championship,
Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see how these these high rollers
Speaker 1: go for a lucky hearts down in Florida. We'll be
Speaker 1: paying attention to that. There's some other events that we
Speaker 1: can kind of keep an eye on. Of course, we
Speaker 1: have the PGT kickoff series that that we'll see how
Speaker 1: that goes. But yeah, you know, overall, I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be kind of an interesting, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a couple of months at least for poker as a whole,
Speaker 1: at least as it pertains specifically to the high roller scene.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of other stuff will we'll do
Speaker 1: just fine, you know. I think one of the things
Speaker 1: I'm most looking forward to is this, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's this big ass chunk of events that's coming up
Speaker 1: in like February and March.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you have too many events. What's first Win
Speaker 2: Millions is first no WPT five k Venetian and then
Speaker 2: Win Millions, yeah, and then Poker Girl Cup like bang
Speaker 2: bang bang, and like partly overlapping with each other, so
Speaker 2: a good way. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, Like you
Speaker 2: can basically come out to Vegas and just play anything
Speaker 2: and everything. So that's going to be a lot of
Speaker 2: fun and also you know, good to be able to
Speaker 2: compete and get out there. I'm gonna ty and get
Speaker 2: out there as much as I can. So what else
Speaker 2: you got for me? Uh?
Speaker 1: Kickoff starts in what two weeks? That's double points.
Speaker 2: Two x points for kickoff cash is they're trying to
Speaker 2: start our season. Then we're going to go into the
Speaker 2: PGT Mixed Games, one hundred cases of high roll the ball,
Speaker 2: Then we're going to go into PERG Cup and then
Speaker 2: everything else CBD from there. I guess I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to hitting some more. You know, we hit a few
Speaker 2: big accomplishments on the PGT like what later this year?
Speaker 2: Like what well Alex Fox and Saving Chadwick both hit
Speaker 2: ten thousand PGT points.
Speaker 1: Sorry you you not we?
Speaker 3: You said we hit accomlised the tour.
Speaker 1: We okay, we as the tour has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with that accomplished well of the tour. You are so
Speaker 1: weird with this.
Speaker 3: No, not we.
Speaker 1: You didn't do anything to help Alex Foxen get to
Speaker 1: whatever that happens.
Speaker 3: I created some events for him to play.
Speaker 1: Alex Foxen is an absolute beast.
Speaker 2: Sam several, Alex Fox and Jeremy osmas Sean Winter all
Speaker 2: hit one hundred p GT cashes.
Speaker 1: Do you think Phil Helmony is going to play more events? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He kept talking about it during the Last Chance. He
Speaker 1: kept talking about how to get into the free roll. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would like to see I told you know, Porker
Speaker 1: grows ceo that Brent Hanks the other day, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think I think Hellmuth might have been messaging him.
Speaker 1: Is he getting in the free roll or is he not?
Speaker 1: Obviously not, he missed out. He got close to winning
Speaker 1: one of those dream seas. But and I told Brent,
Speaker 1: I said, listen, the way Helm Youth shows up and
Speaker 1: battles and just fights till the ever dying last chip
Speaker 1: in every single tournament that he plays. If he were
Speaker 1: to put in I'm not even asking for full volume,
Speaker 1: just respectable volume. On the PGT, he would be a
Speaker 1: lock to qualify for the Free Roll. At one lock
Speaker 1: to qualify for the PGT Million Dollar Championship. Like, there's
Speaker 1: just no way he wouldn't qualify. He fights too hard
Speaker 1: to cash and then usually that results in in somehow
Speaker 1: making his way to the final table. Like, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can make fun of his style, and you can say
Speaker 1: he's too tighter, conservative and certain spots and he does
Speaker 1: his own thing and all that sort of stuff. Yes,
Speaker 1: but he still performs I mean, he did very well
Speaker 1: at Last Chance, had a handful of deep runs at
Speaker 1: two final tables, Like, I mean, he can do it.
Speaker 1: So if he just put in the volume. The thing
Speaker 1: is with him is like he never shows up here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he might pop in for like one US Poker
Speaker 1: Open event and then we won't see him, or like
Speaker 1: one Poker Masters event and we won't see him. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously we know what he does at the WSP and
Speaker 1: a lot of those events are PGT qualifying events. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, but you have to be able to make
Speaker 1: up for stuff elsewhere unless you have like one of
Speaker 1: those crazy big scores you know, like a Michael Mssrocky
Speaker 1: did or whatever. But you know, without one of those,
Speaker 1: you really do have to grind the whole tour, Like
Speaker 1: the whole top forty of the PGT leaderboard that qualify,
Speaker 1: like the large majority of them grind the tour, you know.
Speaker 1: So if Helmet just came out here, like you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, give me, give me thirty events, he's
Speaker 1: in for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If he plays thirty events I'm talking about I'm talking
Speaker 1: about at the studio. Thirty events at the studio, he's
Speaker 1: going to cash in like twelve of them. Yeah, probably
Speaker 1: make four final tables. I mean he he like he's
Speaker 1: going to have a baseline of like five or six
Speaker 1: hundred points there alone, yep, and then he can make
Speaker 1: up the rest of it when it comes to the
Speaker 1: WSIP and that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So let's go, Phil, come on, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1: If Daniel is going to be scaling back, let's put
Speaker 1: phil helmets in this place and let's see if Phil
Speaker 1: can do it. I would love to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, going back to this commentary real quick, this season
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, a couple more people should a ten
Speaker 2: thousand points, Sam Sarvo, Jeremy Osmus, maybe, Dianian o'greenner one hundred,
Speaker 2: Kasha's saving Chidwick went away, Daniel o'greanner won away, Nick
Speaker 2: Schulman eight away, Carry Katz twelve away. So a couple
Speaker 2: potential accomplishments on the cause upcoming in twenty twenty six
Speaker 2: I would expect to see.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean that's a good list. Those are all
Speaker 1: the volume guys, of course, So yeah, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of just putting in your time and all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, you should do some sort of like I
Speaker 1: don't know, five year thing, now that it's been five
Speaker 1: years of the tour or five seasons of the tour?
Speaker 3: Have that plant? Actually? There you go?
Speaker 1: Perfect? So who's the leader in points? Has to be
Speaker 1: run here?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: How is it not.
Speaker 3: Alex Foxing?
Speaker 1: Oh? Foxing's leading?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But when did Foxen start like really playing high rollers?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it like a season into the PGT? Like what
Speaker 1: did he do the twenty one season twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: or was he always around then? He was fairly always around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's cash that you know La Poker Classic.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, no, that's not he's facing He took second
Speaker 2: in the very first Aria high Roller of the season
Speaker 2: to dance me, so from the very s thought he
Speaker 2: was there.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, all right, Well, you know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun. It's gonna be very fun. I don't really
Speaker 1: have anything else to talk about. I don't think you
Speaker 1: do either.
Speaker 3: How do we do with fantasy?
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, to be honest, we'll have to
Speaker 1: I'll just have to like wrap it up and then
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it on the next podcast. Let's just
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to be
Speaker 1: looking at it. I don't think anyone had Chatty Sledge. No,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, if well, then fuck you want?
Speaker 1: I mean you just want. I mean that's just how
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, it's unbelieving. I'm just the best,
Speaker 1: the best, I mean, you know, the best, the fantasy,
Speaker 1: the best. You got so lucky under what do you mean?
Speaker 1: You were drafted people that didn't even show up to
Speaker 1: things that we were doing.
Speaker 3: Okay, one guy, fucking Lewis Bence.
Speaker 1: It's it's just unbelievable. It's it's really is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: So I got nothing p G T wise, But I guess, like,
Speaker 2: what are wrapp plans a couple of weeks off? We're
Speaker 2: gonna play some cords? What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: I gotta I got a very very silly Holf Marathon
Speaker 2: next weekend, which I might die at. So you might
Speaker 2: need to find a new podcast hot But fine.
Speaker 1: By me, Fine by me, buddy, fine by me. All right, cool,
Speaker 1: So we'll get out of here on that. Not much
Speaker 1: else to talk about again. If you guys missed the
Speaker 1: PGG Championship event, you guys can go find it on
Speaker 1: PokerGO dot com. You can also find it on the
Speaker 1: poker Go YouTube channel. Two days of coverage we got
Speaker 1: the entire final table was streamed as well as I
Speaker 1: don't know sixty or seventy percent of Day one, you know,
Speaker 1: a large portion of Day one, very very high level poker.
Speaker 1: I know you might not think that when you hear
Speaker 1: it free roll. By the way, this is a pep
Speaker 1: peeve of mine that's that's now grown in the last
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. But we can't call this thing the
Speaker 1: free roll, which I've already done many times on this podcast.
Speaker 1: We got to call it the PGG Championship just because
Speaker 1: I think free roll just has this stereotype to it
Speaker 1: that it's just like, oh willy nilly now the way
Speaker 1: Chino rembusted he was playing like a damn free roll.
Speaker 1: But you know it's certainly not not a free roll
Speaker 1: at all. Yes, it is a free roll in this,
Speaker 1: you know, the most specific definition of a free role.
Speaker 1: These players didn't pay anything to get in. But this
Speaker 1: is a championship level event. It is incredible and well.
Speaker 1: It is done and dusted, as are we. So for
Speaker 1: Tim Duckworth, my name is Donnie Peters. Oh, one more
Speaker 1: shout out. I'm gonna be on the Clyde Gaskins podcast
Speaker 1: next week, so you guys should definitely check that out.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for that. It was funny. Clyde's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, he asked me if I want
Speaker 1: to be on whatever, and he's like, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's pretty easy, you know questions. I said, Clyde, listen,
Speaker 1: I handle podcasts, Okay, you can ask me whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck you want. I do not care open book. He said,
Speaker 1: nothing's off the table. I said, no, Clyde, Look what
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, Clyde, I'm gonna just deflect because I
Speaker 1: know how to deflect, you know. But other than that,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Asked you what I mean?
Speaker 1: Ask away? Ask away? So insult. That's gonna take place
Speaker 1: next week. I don't know when it comes out after that,
Speaker 1: but I'm excited to be on what is it called
Speaker 1: Snack Attack with Clyde Gaskin whatever you guys find it
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Clyde's the freaking man. Unless you're you're Jammie Becker,
Speaker 1: then you know, wow, Well, Jeremy just thinks. Jeremy's like
Speaker 1: a typical poker player right in that. Once you get
Speaker 1: one dealer and he starts giving you a couple of
Speaker 1: bad beats, that's just not your dealer anymore. Right, That's
Speaker 1: just how it is, you know, But we all know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's how you play. It's not how the content.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us. As I said,
Speaker 1: he's him Duckworth, and I am Donnie Peters, and we
Speaker 1: will talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 2: Jami