WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:11.359 Weird things, weird weird. 2 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:27.280 Welcome, Welcome. 3 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:30.320 We have a very special episode today. I don't know 4 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:32.560 that this has ever happened. You could film me in 5 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:35.520 on this. I don't know that anyone has ever had 6 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:40.920 a Monroe Institute trainer come and do their show. I 7 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.000 don't know if it happens or not ever, but I'm 8 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:46.840 very honored to have Archie with us here today from 9 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:49.799 the Institute. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just shocked that 10 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:50.399 we're even here. 11 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:51.880 You know, like. 12 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:56.600 You so much, And to be honest, I never thought 13 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:59.880 of it, and could very well be that it's the first. 14 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.560 But well, there must have been someone, you know, it's 15 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:05.200 been so many years. Yeah, if there was one, I 16 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:05.920 haven't seen it. 17 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:09.400 I don't know. I just like doing the gateway. So 18 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:11.239 we'll get into a little bit of like how we 19 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.719 came connected, and then, you know, we have so many 20 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:15.879 things that we want to learn about you. But for 21 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:19.040 the listener, when we did the Monroe series in July 22 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:22.799 and I went to the Creator Program, Arkie was my 23 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.120 trainer and we've been going back and forth about having 24 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.680 him come out and do the show. So for months 25 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:32.040 now we've been sort of making this happen, and it's 26 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:36.000 just like an amazing opportunity for us to fulfill my 27 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.359 end of the bargain being invited to Monroe to make content. 28 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:41.719 So I was just like, well, you know what, maybe 29 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:44.200 I could bring them to me, you know. So I 30 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.519 don't know, it's like such an honor to have you 31 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:48.879 guys here. And the next we have Emily, which is 32 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.840 one of the other trainers that was there with us, 33 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.680 but she wasn't training us, but you know, we'll get 34 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:56.560 into all that stuff. So we're very happy to have 35 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:56.840 you here. 36 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:59.439 Archie. Thank you, and I'm so happy to be here, 37 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.079 so thank you for having me. Yeah, I've been quite 38 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:04.000 a journey and it took a while, you know, to 39 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.560 figure things out and to be able to And also 40 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.759 thank you guys. I want to say these publicly too, 41 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:12.240 for accommodating to do this summer Sunday, and you know, 42 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.159 because it was the only time that we could do it. 43 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.240 No brainer come here and everything. 44 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:19.000 It was a no brainer. I'm very very excited. It's 45 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:22.039 just such a spectacular thing that you guys do over 46 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:26.280 at Monroe. It's so incredible and singular and unique, and 47 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:29.000 I just want to learn everything that I can about it. 48 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.759 It's really fascinating. It truly is How long have you been. 49 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:36.879 Involved with since two thousand and six or seven? 50 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.080 I think, yeah, Oh wow, I didn't How long has 51 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.400 the Monroe Institute been around. 52 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.840 Like fifty years? Yeah, since the seventies. I think it's 53 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:46.840 like seventy one or two. I can't remember. 54 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:49.759 Yeah, wow, I had no idea. I thought it was 55 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.000 relatively I mean I thought maybe maybe twenty or thirty. 56 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.120 They've never promoted. That's the new wave that they're on, right, 57 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:01.360 I Meanroe's never really promoted before. It's all been kind 58 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.000 of like my family, and it's just that like people 59 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:06.400 came to them and things developed, and I think now 60 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.520 they're like, Okay, maybe we should promote. 61 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:10.680 Yeah, it's just been like a word of mouth is 62 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:11.199 kind of. 63 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.360 Yeah, mostly, And I don't know where this came from. 64 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:16.520 I remember Bob mon grow back in that they used 65 00:03:16.520 --> 00:03:19.080 to say he had to believe or he was vocal 66 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:20.960 about it. He used to say, whomever is supposed to 67 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:22.800 be here is going to end up showing up here. 68 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.120 And so I guess he had a believe like he 69 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:28.439 didn't really need to promote it like people would be 70 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:30.960 drawn to it. Sure, those who needed to be there, 71 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.759 or maybe he didn't want to have too wide of 72 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:36.599 an audience not to dilute the thing. I don't know. 73 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:39.800 I really don't know what his rasianal was. But yeah, yeah, 74 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:43.159 we never really did much of advertising in a big way. 75 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.479 So speak Yeah, so obviously because I was saying, you 76 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.560 never got a meat buban row right, No, because you know, 77 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:49.439 died in the nineties. 78 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:52.800 I think he died in nineteen ninety five. 79 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.439 I think, yeah, what was it cancer? I can't remember. 80 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.719 I don't know. It doesn't matter, but yeah, so Monroe 81 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:04.319 had spend Basically it's been this powerful force in a 82 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:09.240 field of consciousness that literally like never even needed to 83 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:13.319 be promoted, and yet they have helped and changed the 84 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:15.840 lives of millions of people. So they got together and 85 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:17.959 they're like, whose ideal was it? Are we allowed to 86 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:19.160 say that? For the Creator Program? 87 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:22.600 I'm not sure who it was. I don't know if 88 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:27.120 it was Natalie or was Jennifer or marketing director. I 89 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.040 really don't know how it all started. All I know 90 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:31.600 is that at some point I was thrown into it. 91 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:33.839 Someone called me and said, hey, Arkie, would you be 92 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.120 interested in training this and to be honest at the beginning, 93 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:38.720 I was like, well, I don't know, I've never We've 94 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.399 never done this. We never had a gateway with cameras 95 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.800 and microphones and the whole lot. And I was a 96 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:46.879 little concerned, to be honest, I was thinking, how is 97 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.639 this going to play out? What do we do with privacy? 98 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:53.720 What do we do with because we always say that 99 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.120 the space we create a gateway or any other programs 100 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.120 his saycred space, Well, first thing we trainders need to 101 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.519 do is create create this real safety that you can 102 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:07.079 feel so you can let go and you can let 103 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:09.560 your experiences unfold. And I was like, how is this 104 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.199 going to work if we have cameras on people? Yeah, 105 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.399 so it was a little tricky, but it worked out beautifully. 106 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.199 Yeah. And I think on the other hand, on our side, 107 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:24.079 we were feeling similar concerns. Not exactly what you're describing, 108 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.199 you know, from Monroe's perspective, but like, at least I 109 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.879 could say for me, I felt like an imposter being there. 110 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:29.519 Now. 111 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.399 Maya is obviously not here with us today, but she 112 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.600 was the other trainer, and she's also just a wonderful 113 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:39.040 human being. She did my intake, my interview, right, I 114 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.439 remember meeting you after like the last person showed up 115 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.000 and we had to go to the first event, and 116 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:45.879 I like passed you in a doorway and You're like, oh, hi, 117 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.079 I'm Rkie. I look forward to, you know, getting to 118 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.160 know you. I was like, oh cool, and just kind 119 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.160 of passed you, you know. But with Maya, I sat 120 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:54.680 with her and I had like this long one on 121 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:59.199 one and I just remember telling her. She said something 122 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.160 to the effect of like, what are what do you 123 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.439 expect to get out of this? And I literally told 124 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:05.639 her I was like, I don't know. To be honest 125 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:07.160 with you, I don't even believe I can go out 126 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:10.399 of body. Seriously, I felt like an imposter being there, 127 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.079 like I don't know. And she was like, well, it's 128 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:16.240 okay to have no expectation, but maybe try setting an intention. 129 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:18.000 And I was like, hm, I never thought of that. 130 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:23.560 You know, she was right, so amazing week. We've already 131 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.839 done a whole three part series talking about that week. 132 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.360 If you would be comfortable with it, I'd like to 133 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.079 get a little bit of your h maybe take of 134 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:34.120 like some of the things that happened there that stood 135 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.920 out to you about that week, you know, what it 136 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.959 was like I guess. But then otherwise there's so much 137 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.240 stuff about you and other questions about programs you've done 138 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.000 that I think we and the listener would like to 139 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:47.680 know more about. 140 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.079 So yeah, and so for me it was a great 141 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:53.000 experience because, as I said before, I had these concerns. 142 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.680 We never did this before, and there was all of 143 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.560 these back and forth behind the court and how are 144 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:00.560 we going to do this? Where are the limits, how 145 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.560 much they can film, how much is private? And we 146 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.120 came to some compromise that it turned out to be good. 147 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:09.720 But still I was, you know, a little nervous, to 148 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:11.720 be honest. And then on day one when I met 149 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:13.959 all of you guys, you and Chrease and Hannah and 150 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.240 everybody else, was like, oh, this is gonna be fine. 151 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.079 I just knew because of the quality of the people involved. 152 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.120 And then I just thought, Okay, I'm just gonna run 153 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:26.720 it like any other gateway. I'm just gonna go on 154 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:30.240 auto pilot and do my thing and then let them 155 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.839 do their thing, you know, let the creators do their 156 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.839 creator thing. And it was beautiful and it all blended 157 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:40.560 really nicely, and it was very special, and you guys 158 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.360 were having amazing experiences and I was thinking, we're having 159 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:48.079 a conversation about this before. I think that when there's 160 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:53.319 going to be a larger audience, when they impact to 161 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:56.759 a larger amount of people, it's gonna be there. Then 162 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.720 things happen because of that, so the message can be 163 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:02.839 widely if that makes any sense. 164 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:04.759 Yeah, we were talking about that before you guys showed 165 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.079 up today. We were just kind of having this general 166 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.079 conversation that is said, okay, if I kind of go 167 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.240 into what you're saying. Yeah, so he was telling the story. 168 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.120 You guys aren't aware of this yet. It's in the gateway, 169 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.519 which I'm hoping that someday we'll, you know, maybe be 170 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:20.680 able to work that out for you guys. 171 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:20.879 Right. 172 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:26.079 But yeah, So when when Robert Monroe was getting started 173 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:28.319 with the early days of the institute, and please step 174 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.199 in and correct me when I get this wrong, because 175 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.559 I'm still learning, you know why you know about the 176 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.279 history of the institute. But in the early days, he 177 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.720 had this group called the Explorers, right, and they were 178 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.720 like the original people that he trained to like do 179 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:44.039 this to go out of body, and the Explorers would 180 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:48.399 go and they would they explored, right, they explored, you 181 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.879 could call it whatever you want, the spirit world or whatever. 182 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:53.759 So they explored as real. 183 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.679 Yes, they explored out of body, and there were many 184 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.879 cases where they actually spoke to non huge intelligences. 185 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:01.159 Right. 186 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.480 So what Archie was explaining to me was like he 187 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.879 was like, I can just imagine that when Robert Monroe 188 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:09.480 was doing this in the early days, and he was 189 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.440 facilitating this environment where there's exploration and they're talking to 190 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.240 these non human intelligences that maybe from the other side, 191 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.720 these beings are like, well, they are facilitating an environment 192 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:27.559 of safe and I guess effective contact between us and them. Right, 193 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:32.200 So he was saying like, maybe they're trying to orchestrate 194 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:35.240 events to where it's allowed to get out in a 195 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:35.720 bigger way. 196 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:38.600 Uh huh, Yeah, that's kind of could read the intention 197 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.000 of the people exploring and the say exploring, yeah, and yeah, wow, 198 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:45.080 that's that's really fascinating. 199 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:46.960 Yeah, I just wanted you guys have context for you know, 200 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:47.399 what we were. 201 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:49.399 So that was prior to the institute. 202 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:51.519 Yeah, that was on the early days. And the thing 203 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:56.120 is very briefly, Bob Monro was this regular businessman. He 204 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:00.519 had no religious inclinations or esoteric or any kind. He 205 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:05.120 was a very successful radio, unprofessional, and he was working 206 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:08.000 in Manhattan for I think he was at the time 207 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:14.240 vice president of NBC Radio. And then out of the blue, 208 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:18.200 he just started popping out of body and he had 209 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:20.559 no context for it. He was freaking out. No one 210 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.720 could tell him anything about it. There were no books 211 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.200 back in the day, or very few. In his mind. 212 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.200 He was only contemplating two possibilities, one that he had 213 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:31.480 a brain. Two more too, that he was losing his mind. 214 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.000 Wow, So they just started happening to him. 215 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.000 Yeah, he was speaking taneously and then being the way 216 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.879 he was, you know, so left brain and so rational 217 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.519 and so stubborn too, he thought, okay, no one can 218 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.320 give me any answers. He had a lot of faith 219 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.720 in uh or a lot of trust in science, and 220 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:53.720 he thought that science could explain everything. 221 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.480 But then they could, yeah, I can't explain Yeah. 222 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:59.440 And he had many friends who were psychologists and psychiatrists 223 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:01.240 and medical doctors. He went to all of them and 224 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:03.799 they all said, Bob, you're fine, and he was like, well, 225 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:04.120 I'm not. 226 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:05.559 Something's going on. 227 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:09.120 Something's going on. And then he said, Okay, if no 228 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.600 one can provide the answers for me, I'll find them 229 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:14.679 and he was kind of wealthy, so he put a 230 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:18.080 lab together with you know where they would measure anything 231 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.559 that could possibly be measured. They didn't know what to do, 232 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.720 so he recruited a couple of scientists who volunteer to 233 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.480 do this. So they were measuring things like Alvanik skin 234 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:35.240 response and heartbeats, brain waves while doing these meditations to 235 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.480 see if they could replicate it. That That was another 236 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:40.600 one of his dreams, if he could replicate that, And 237 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:43.080 that's how they started because he was some professional. He 238 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:47.559 was a radio professional. So then they started using their expertise, 239 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.360 see if we can use sound to facilitate these states. 240 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.639 So in the early days, he had this team of 241 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.720 people that he called the Explorers and they would just 242 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.720 go to his place once in a while. He put 243 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:03.480 like lab in his basement and he put it together 244 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.440 and people would just go there and lay on a bed, 245 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.440 put on a pair of headphones, and he would be 246 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:10.879 recording everything. So there was just so you get an 247 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:13.799 idea of how it was. There was two way communication, 248 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:19.200 you know, like here the microphone headphones. So you would 249 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.200 be in a dark room and you would be listening 250 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.440 to his voice and he would be listening to you, 251 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.200 and he would be feeding sounds on your headphones and 252 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.799 he would be recording everything that you would say, and 253 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:37.159 then eventually he published all those recordings. And those people 254 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.039 there were normally making contact with non physical beings, but 255 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.960 the contact was ongoing. But the same being would come 256 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.799 like every week, like if you would be coming for 257 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:49.000 your session on Tuesday evenings, that being would come to 258 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.000 you on Tuesday evening and say something, Okay, like we 259 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:53.559 said last week, now. 260 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:57.039 Like a therapy session with the beyond. 261 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.879 And it was like so they could have they could 262 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.080 really get very very detailed and ask them any question 263 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.480 about the nature of the universe, the nature of reality, 264 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.360 what have you. And all of those are there there 265 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.279 on YouTube, yeah, and also on the Internet archive you 266 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:15.399 can find them. So again back to your point, I 267 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:19.000 think since these guys up there, whomever they are, they say, oh, 268 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.480 look look at what this human did. You know he's 269 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.919 got all these recording equipment and we know that he's 270 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.639 going to publish this to a larger audience. Okay, let's 271 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:29.159 make something. Let's this is a window for us to 272 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:33.720 communicate with humans. Yeah, so probably the same happened during 273 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.039 your gateway. Okay, this is going to be brought to 274 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.759 a larger audience, So let's make something special. 275 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.559 It was definitely special. It was I think I could 276 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.399 probably confidently speak for all of us that it was 277 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:50.200 life changing. I mean, just for the simple fact alone 278 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.480 that you guys are sitting here with me and we're 279 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.679 doing this and we're having fun, and you know, we're 280 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:58.960 these lifelong bonds that have formed and we're all kind 281 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:02.720 of pushing out out of our ordinary routines, and like, 282 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:06.440 I feel like the collaboration that's come from this and 283 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:09.159 is going to continue to come from this. Like when 284 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.159 Amy was here a month or two ago, illuminating joy. 285 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:15.360 For those who've heard the show, she's you know, obviously been. 286 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:18.519 She was there at the gateway. She told me something. 287 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.360 She was like, I don't think any of us realize 288 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.879 how big that week really was, you know, the change 289 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.000 that it's going to leave on all of us, And 290 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.960 like that week was just the beginning of what is 291 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.399 to come right And I totally feel that, but you know, 292 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.399 they know all about what happened. We did a whole 293 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:39.120 three part series. So I want to shift to you, Archie. 294 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.840 So you've been with Monroe since like two thousand and six, 295 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.240 or seven. Right, Yeah, So something that I would really 296 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.240 love to know is like, how did you align with Monroe? 297 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.799 How did you how did you shift your path to 298 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:54.600 be a part of the institute. What was happening? 299 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.720 Well, so this was something totally unexpected. I mean, it 300 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.720 wasn't my radar all. Actually, I knew nothing about the 301 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.399 Montroe Institute. I knew nothing about Robert Monroe. I knew 302 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:09.039 nothing about the sounds that we use. I heard of 303 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.600 it by innural baits in relation to meditation, but that 304 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.600 was all. So basically what happened to me. I was 305 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.360 working in logistics back in the day, and I was 306 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:25.080 doing these specialty course on something they called short sea shipping, 307 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:31.600 which is basically, yeah, moving trucks and containers across an 308 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:36.559 Aditerranean on boats and all the logistics about that. And 309 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.360 during a break during that class and the actually the 310 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.519 class took place on a boat, on a favorite boat, 311 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.600 and during a break, this guy who was also in 312 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.919 my class sat with me and we started talking about 313 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.480 meditation and things like that, and that's something I always 314 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:55.360 had an interest on from a very early age. So 315 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.720 all those things and UFOs and you know, all those 316 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:00.840 things were like fascinating stay and he said have you 317 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.120 do you know about binoral baits and I said, well, 318 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.840 I heard of it but never really used them. I said, okay, 319 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.320 I have some of that. I can share it with you. 320 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:10.279 And then he said, do you know about Boumont prov 321 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.399 I said no, oh, you don't. I said, well no, 322 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:15.799 and I said, okay, we got his books, you know. 323 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:19.679 And I got the books from him, and so I 324 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:21.720 go back home and then I started reading the books 325 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.519 and I was fascinated, like never before. Wow, something really 326 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.720 hit me and I thought, wow, but this man did 327 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:32.159 was really astounding. So I think I read all three 328 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:38.360 books in like five days and nights. He was like, 329 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:40.200 I couldn't put them down, you know. I would read 330 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.960 all lie Wow, and then and then as much during 331 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:45.679 the day as I could. And then he was like, wow, 332 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.639 that was so great. And then he mentions the Gateway 333 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.879 voyage in the books. And then I was like, well, 334 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.000 that would be great, but that's pretty far away because 335 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:56.320 I was living in Spain at the time, and I 336 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.559 was like, I don't have the time or the money 337 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:01.799 to go to Virginia now. And this I thought, well whatever, 338 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.759 And then a few years on the road, I'm looking 339 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.160 up something on the Internet and I see Gateway boy Spain, 340 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.400 Like what and like is this real? And there was 341 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:14.480 a phone number, so I called and there was this 342 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.200 American lady living in Spain and she was a mon 343 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.759 road trainer and she was the only one or one 344 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:24.440 of the very few that was actually doing any Montro 345 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.720 stuff outside of the US. And I said, so, do 346 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:30.960 you have a Gateway and she said yeah. In November, 347 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:36.400 I said, okay, booked me up and so yeah. I 348 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.480 never looked back. I mean, I did a Gateway. It 349 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:41.839 was fascinating to me, literally life changing, like you said, 350 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:46.680 and it made so much sense. And it was such 351 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:53.400 a no nonsense, no dogma, no no fluffy things I 352 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:57.119 wanted things to be because I knew these things were real, 353 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:01.079 you know, other places of the realities. But that approach 354 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.839 that we use, that it's so so matter of fact. 355 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:08.799 It's a scientific approach. Yeah, data, it's all based on exactly. 356 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.880 Yeah. And also the technique for you know, for tuning 357 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.359 into those realities through sound, it's also simple and so 358 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:19.039 but the elegance of it, on the simplicity of it, 359 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.759 it's efficient, yeah, exactly, it's just efficiently just walks. Yeah, 360 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:24.880 and it doesn't have all the candles and incense. 361 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:29.640 That's like what Maya told me when I did my 362 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:32.480 first interview with her. She was like, you know, I 363 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:36.680 lived in India for two years and doing like transcendental meditation. 364 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:38.880 And she said, but then I came to the Monroe 365 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:40.680 Institute and I got more out of it in one 366 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.200 week than I did living in India for two years. 367 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.680 And I thought about that deeply. I'm like, wow, that's 368 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.920 really powerful. And I think like, based off of what 369 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:54.279 you're saying, it's it's amazing, Like the Minrosa two is 370 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:58.240 so amazing because it is like you said, it's no nonsense. 371 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.680 There's no rituals, there's no creed. There's one creed. It's 372 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:04.480 literally like, no, you don't have to believe anything except 373 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:06.720 you are more than your physical body. 374 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.000 Yeah, and even that we invite that's the only little 375 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.079 piece of dogma that we have, that you are more 376 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.160 than your physical body. But even that one we invite 377 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.160 everyone to challenge it. If this is true, I might 378 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:20.480 really more than my physical body. And then we give 379 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:22.680 you the tools and it's like here now you can try. 380 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:25.480 Now you can really figure out whether you are or 381 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:27.279 not more than your physical body. 382 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.359 Yeah, that's incredible. It gives people the opportunity to find 383 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:31.519 the answer for themselves. 384 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.960 So yeah, don't believe anything. Yeah, we try to keep 385 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:38.079 the teaching or whatever. We don't even consider ourselves to 386 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:43.160 teach anything. Just facilitate experiences and if you have questions, 387 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:44.880 it's like, Okay, here's the tools. Now you go out 388 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:48.680 there you find them for yourself. That's that's the way 389 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:49.319 we like doing. 390 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.839 Yeah, And I think efficient is the right word. I 391 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:55.519 remember maybe a couple of years ago, a year or 392 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.480 two ago, Ryan started telling me about like data wave 393 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.960 stay and earth Theda states and binoralbeats and this kind 394 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.119 of stuff, and he's like, dude, this stuff is like 395 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.000 a fast track to get you into that Theda state, 396 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:13.400 Like there are Tibetan monks that train their entire lives 397 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.519 to get into this state and this thing can get 398 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:19.720 you there immediately. And I was like what, Like really? 399 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:22.519 And then I start doing it for myself and I'm like, Okay, 400 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.000 there's something to this. And then hearing his stories and 401 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:28.440