Speaker 1: Weird things, weird weird.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1: We have a very special episode today. I don't know
Speaker 1: that this has ever happened. You could film me in
Speaker 1: on this. I don't know that anyone has ever had
Speaker 1: a Monroe Institute trainer come and do their show. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it happens or not ever, but I'm
Speaker 1: very honored to have Archie with us here today from
Speaker 1: the Institute. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just shocked that
Speaker 1: we're even here.
Speaker 2: You know, like.
Speaker 3: You so much, And to be honest, I never thought
Speaker 3: of it, and could very well be that it's the first.
Speaker 3: But well, there must have been someone, you know, it's
Speaker 3: been so many years. Yeah, if there was one, I
Speaker 3: haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just like doing the gateway. So
Speaker 1: we'll get into a little bit of like how we
Speaker 1: came connected, and then, you know, we have so many
Speaker 1: things that we want to learn about you. But for
Speaker 1: the listener, when we did the Monroe series in July
Speaker 1: and I went to the Creator Program, Arkie was my
Speaker 1: trainer and we've been going back and forth about having
Speaker 1: him come out and do the show. So for months
Speaker 1: now we've been sort of making this happen, and it's
Speaker 1: just like an amazing opportunity for us to fulfill my
Speaker 1: end of the bargain being invited to Monroe to make content.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, well, you know what, maybe
Speaker 1: I could bring them to me, you know. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like such an honor to have you
Speaker 1: guys here. And the next we have Emily, which is
Speaker 1: one of the other trainers that was there with us,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't training us, but you know, we'll get
Speaker 1: into all that stuff. So we're very happy to have
Speaker 1: you here.
Speaker 3: Archie. Thank you, and I'm so happy to be here,
Speaker 3: so thank you for having me. Yeah, I've been quite
Speaker 3: a journey and it took a while, you know, to
Speaker 3: figure things out and to be able to And also
Speaker 3: thank you guys. I want to say these publicly too,
Speaker 3: for accommodating to do this summer Sunday, and you know,
Speaker 3: because it was the only time that we could do it.
Speaker 3: No brainer come here and everything.
Speaker 4: It was a no brainer. I'm very very excited. It's
Speaker 4: just such a spectacular thing that you guys do over
Speaker 4: at Monroe. It's so incredible and singular and unique, and
Speaker 4: I just want to learn everything that I can about it.
Speaker 4: It's really fascinating. It truly is How long have you been.
Speaker 3: Involved with since two thousand and six or seven?
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, Oh wow, I didn't How long has
Speaker 4: the Monroe Institute been around.
Speaker 1: Like fifty years? Yeah, since the seventies. I think it's
Speaker 1: like seventy one or two. I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, I had no idea. I thought it was
Speaker 4: relatively I mean I thought maybe maybe twenty or thirty.
Speaker 1: They've never promoted. That's the new wave that they're on, right,
Speaker 1: I Meanroe's never really promoted before. It's all been kind
Speaker 1: of like my family, and it's just that like people
Speaker 1: came to them and things developed, and I think now
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, maybe we should promote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just been like a word of mouth is
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mostly, And I don't know where this came from.
Speaker 3: I remember Bob mon grow back in that they used
Speaker 3: to say he had to believe or he was vocal
Speaker 3: about it. He used to say, whomever is supposed to
Speaker 3: be here is going to end up showing up here.
Speaker 3: And so I guess he had a believe like he
Speaker 3: didn't really need to promote it like people would be
Speaker 3: drawn to it. Sure, those who needed to be there,
Speaker 3: or maybe he didn't want to have too wide of
Speaker 3: an audience not to dilute the thing. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I really don't know what his rasianal was. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we never really did much of advertising in a big way.
Speaker 1: So speak Yeah, so obviously because I was saying, you
Speaker 1: never got a meat buban row right, No, because you know,
Speaker 1: died in the nineties.
Speaker 3: I think he died in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, what was it cancer? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't matter, but yeah, so Monroe
Speaker 1: had spend Basically it's been this powerful force in a
Speaker 1: field of consciousness that literally like never even needed to
Speaker 1: be promoted, and yet they have helped and changed the
Speaker 1: lives of millions of people. So they got together and
Speaker 1: they're like, whose ideal was it? Are we allowed to
Speaker 1: say that? For the Creator Program?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure who it was. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it was Natalie or was Jennifer or marketing director. I
Speaker 3: really don't know how it all started. All I know
Speaker 3: is that at some point I was thrown into it.
Speaker 3: Someone called me and said, hey, Arkie, would you be
Speaker 3: interested in training this and to be honest at the beginning,
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I don't know, I've never We've
Speaker 3: never done this. We never had a gateway with cameras
Speaker 3: and microphones and the whole lot. And I was a
Speaker 3: little concerned, to be honest, I was thinking, how is
Speaker 3: this going to play out? What do we do with privacy?
Speaker 3: What do we do with because we always say that
Speaker 3: the space we create a gateway or any other programs
Speaker 3: his saycred space, Well, first thing we trainders need to
Speaker 3: do is create create this real safety that you can
Speaker 3: feel so you can let go and you can let
Speaker 3: your experiences unfold. And I was like, how is this
Speaker 3: going to work if we have cameras on people? Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it was a little tricky, but it worked out beautifully.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think on the other hand, on our side,
Speaker 1: we were feeling similar concerns. Not exactly what you're describing,
Speaker 1: you know, from Monroe's perspective, but like, at least I
Speaker 1: could say for me, I felt like an imposter being there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Maya is obviously not here with us today, but she
Speaker 1: was the other trainer, and she's also just a wonderful
Speaker 1: human being. She did my intake, my interview, right, I
Speaker 1: remember meeting you after like the last person showed up
Speaker 1: and we had to go to the first event, and
Speaker 1: I like passed you in a doorway and You're like, oh, hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Rkie. I look forward to, you know, getting to
Speaker 1: know you. I was like, oh cool, and just kind
Speaker 1: of passed you, you know. But with Maya, I sat
Speaker 1: with her and I had like this long one on
Speaker 1: one and I just remember telling her. She said something
Speaker 1: to the effect of like, what are what do you
Speaker 1: expect to get out of this? And I literally told
Speaker 1: her I was like, I don't know. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I don't even believe I can go out
Speaker 1: of body. Seriously, I felt like an imposter being there,
Speaker 1: like I don't know. And she was like, well, it's
Speaker 1: okay to have no expectation, but maybe try setting an intention.
Speaker 1: And I was like, hm, I never thought of that.
Speaker 1: You know, she was right, so amazing week. We've already
Speaker 1: done a whole three part series talking about that week.
Speaker 1: If you would be comfortable with it, I'd like to
Speaker 1: get a little bit of your h maybe take of
Speaker 1: like some of the things that happened there that stood
Speaker 1: out to you about that week, you know, what it
Speaker 1: was like I guess. But then otherwise there's so much
Speaker 1: stuff about you and other questions about programs you've done
Speaker 1: that I think we and the listener would like to
Speaker 1: know more about.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and so for me it was a great
Speaker 3: experience because, as I said before, I had these concerns.
Speaker 3: We never did this before, and there was all of
Speaker 3: these back and forth behind the court and how are
Speaker 3: we going to do this? Where are the limits, how
Speaker 3: much they can film, how much is private? And we
Speaker 3: came to some compromise that it turned out to be good.
Speaker 3: But still I was, you know, a little nervous, to
Speaker 3: be honest. And then on day one when I met
Speaker 3: all of you guys, you and Chrease and Hannah and
Speaker 3: everybody else, was like, oh, this is gonna be fine.
Speaker 3: I just knew because of the quality of the people involved.
Speaker 3: And then I just thought, Okay, I'm just gonna run
Speaker 3: it like any other gateway. I'm just gonna go on
Speaker 3: auto pilot and do my thing and then let them
Speaker 3: do their thing, you know, let the creators do their
Speaker 3: creator thing. And it was beautiful and it all blended
Speaker 3: really nicely, and it was very special, and you guys
Speaker 3: were having amazing experiences and I was thinking, we're having
Speaker 3: a conversation about this before. I think that when there's
Speaker 3: going to be a larger audience, when they impact to
Speaker 3: a larger amount of people, it's gonna be there. Then
Speaker 3: things happen because of that, so the message can be
Speaker 3: widely if that makes any sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about that before you guys showed
Speaker 1: up today. We were just kind of having this general
Speaker 1: conversation that is said, okay, if I kind of go
Speaker 1: into what you're saying. Yeah, so he was telling the story.
Speaker 1: You guys aren't aware of this yet. It's in the gateway,
Speaker 1: which I'm hoping that someday we'll, you know, maybe be
Speaker 1: able to work that out for you guys.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So when when Robert Monroe was getting started
Speaker 1: with the early days of the institute, and please step
Speaker 1: in and correct me when I get this wrong, because
Speaker 1: I'm still learning, you know why you know about the
Speaker 1: history of the institute. But in the early days, he
Speaker 1: had this group called the Explorers, right, and they were
Speaker 1: like the original people that he trained to like do
Speaker 1: this to go out of body, and the Explorers would
Speaker 1: go and they would they explored, right, they explored, you
Speaker 1: could call it whatever you want, the spirit world or whatever.
Speaker 4: So they explored as real.
Speaker 1: Yes, they explored out of body, and there were many
Speaker 1: cases where they actually spoke to non huge intelligences.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So what Archie was explaining to me was like he
Speaker 1: was like, I can just imagine that when Robert Monroe
Speaker 1: was doing this in the early days, and he was
Speaker 1: facilitating this environment where there's exploration and they're talking to
Speaker 1: these non human intelligences that maybe from the other side,
Speaker 1: these beings are like, well, they are facilitating an environment
Speaker 1: of safe and I guess effective contact between us and them. Right,
Speaker 1: So he was saying like, maybe they're trying to orchestrate
Speaker 1: events to where it's allowed to get out in a
Speaker 1: bigger way.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, Yeah, that's kind of could read the intention
Speaker 4: of the people exploring and the say exploring, yeah, and yeah, wow,
Speaker 4: that's that's really fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted you guys have context for you know,
Speaker 1: what we were.
Speaker 4: So that was prior to the institute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was on the early days. And the thing
Speaker 3: is very briefly, Bob Monro was this regular businessman. He
Speaker 3: had no religious inclinations or esoteric or any kind. He
Speaker 3: was a very successful radio, unprofessional, and he was working
Speaker 3: in Manhattan for I think he was at the time
Speaker 3: vice president of NBC Radio. And then out of the blue,
Speaker 3: he just started popping out of body and he had
Speaker 3: no context for it. He was freaking out. No one
Speaker 3: could tell him anything about it. There were no books
Speaker 3: back in the day, or very few. In his mind.
Speaker 3: He was only contemplating two possibilities, one that he had
Speaker 3: a brain. Two more too, that he was losing his mind.
Speaker 4: Wow, So they just started happening to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was speaking taneously and then being the way
Speaker 3: he was, you know, so left brain and so rational
Speaker 3: and so stubborn too, he thought, okay, no one can
Speaker 3: give me any answers. He had a lot of faith
Speaker 3: in uh or a lot of trust in science, and
Speaker 3: he thought that science could explain everything.
Speaker 4: But then they could, yeah, I can't explain Yeah.
Speaker 3: And he had many friends who were psychologists and psychiatrists
Speaker 3: and medical doctors. He went to all of them and
Speaker 3: they all said, Bob, you're fine, and he was like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 4: Something's going on.
Speaker 3: Something's going on. And then he said, Okay, if no
Speaker 3: one can provide the answers for me, I'll find them
Speaker 3: and he was kind of wealthy, so he put a
Speaker 3: lab together with you know where they would measure anything
Speaker 3: that could possibly be measured. They didn't know what to do,
Speaker 3: so he recruited a couple of scientists who volunteer to
Speaker 3: do this. So they were measuring things like Alvanik skin
Speaker 3: response and heartbeats, brain waves while doing these meditations to
Speaker 3: see if they could replicate it. That That was another
Speaker 3: one of his dreams, if he could replicate that, And
Speaker 3: that's how they started because he was some professional. He
Speaker 3: was a radio professional. So then they started using their expertise,
Speaker 3: see if we can use sound to facilitate these states.
Speaker 3: So in the early days, he had this team of
Speaker 3: people that he called the Explorers and they would just
Speaker 3: go to his place once in a while. He put
Speaker 3: like lab in his basement and he put it together
Speaker 3: and people would just go there and lay on a bed,
Speaker 3: put on a pair of headphones, and he would be
Speaker 3: recording everything. So there was just so you get an
Speaker 3: idea of how it was. There was two way communication,
Speaker 3: you know, like here the microphone headphones. So you would
Speaker 3: be in a dark room and you would be listening
Speaker 3: to his voice and he would be listening to you,
Speaker 3: and he would be feeding sounds on your headphones and
Speaker 3: he would be recording everything that you would say, and
Speaker 3: then eventually he published all those recordings. And those people
Speaker 3: there were normally making contact with non physical beings, but
Speaker 3: the contact was ongoing. But the same being would come
Speaker 3: like every week, like if you would be coming for
Speaker 3: your session on Tuesday evenings, that being would come to
Speaker 3: you on Tuesday evening and say something, Okay, like we
Speaker 3: said last week, now.
Speaker 4: Like a therapy session with the beyond.
Speaker 3: And it was like so they could have they could
Speaker 3: really get very very detailed and ask them any question
Speaker 3: about the nature of the universe, the nature of reality,
Speaker 3: what have you. And all of those are there there
Speaker 3: on YouTube, yeah, and also on the Internet archive you
Speaker 3: can find them. So again back to your point, I
Speaker 3: think since these guys up there, whomever they are, they say, oh,
Speaker 3: look look at what this human did. You know he's
Speaker 3: got all these recording equipment and we know that he's
Speaker 3: going to publish this to a larger audience. Okay, let's
Speaker 3: make something. Let's this is a window for us to
Speaker 3: communicate with humans. Yeah, so probably the same happened during
Speaker 3: your gateway. Okay, this is going to be brought to
Speaker 3: a larger audience, So let's make something special.
Speaker 1: It was definitely special. It was I think I could
Speaker 1: probably confidently speak for all of us that it was
Speaker 1: life changing. I mean, just for the simple fact alone
Speaker 1: that you guys are sitting here with me and we're
Speaker 1: doing this and we're having fun, and you know, we're
Speaker 1: these lifelong bonds that have formed and we're all kind
Speaker 1: of pushing out out of our ordinary routines, and like,
Speaker 1: I feel like the collaboration that's come from this and
Speaker 1: is going to continue to come from this. Like when
Speaker 1: Amy was here a month or two ago, illuminating joy.
Speaker 1: For those who've heard the show, she's you know, obviously been.
Speaker 1: She was there at the gateway. She told me something.
Speaker 1: She was like, I don't think any of us realize
Speaker 1: how big that week really was, you know, the change
Speaker 1: that it's going to leave on all of us, And
Speaker 1: like that week was just the beginning of what is
Speaker 1: to come right And I totally feel that, but you know,
Speaker 1: they know all about what happened. We did a whole
Speaker 1: three part series. So I want to shift to you, Archie.
Speaker 1: So you've been with Monroe since like two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: or seven. Right, Yeah, So something that I would really
Speaker 1: love to know is like, how did you align with Monroe?
Speaker 1: How did you how did you shift your path to
Speaker 1: be a part of the institute. What was happening?
Speaker 3: Well, so this was something totally unexpected. I mean, it
Speaker 3: wasn't my radar all. Actually, I knew nothing about the
Speaker 3: Montroe Institute. I knew nothing about Robert Monroe. I knew
Speaker 3: nothing about the sounds that we use. I heard of
Speaker 3: it by innural baits in relation to meditation, but that
Speaker 3: was all. So basically what happened to me. I was
Speaker 3: working in logistics back in the day, and I was
Speaker 3: doing these specialty course on something they called short sea shipping,
Speaker 3: which is basically, yeah, moving trucks and containers across an
Speaker 3: Aditerranean on boats and all the logistics about that. And
Speaker 3: during a break during that class and the actually the
Speaker 3: class took place on a boat, on a favorite boat,
Speaker 3: and during a break, this guy who was also in
Speaker 3: my class sat with me and we started talking about
Speaker 3: meditation and things like that, and that's something I always
Speaker 3: had an interest on from a very early age. So
Speaker 3: all those things and UFOs and you know, all those
Speaker 3: things were like fascinating stay and he said have you
Speaker 3: do you know about binoral baits and I said, well,
Speaker 3: I heard of it but never really used them. I said, okay,
Speaker 3: I have some of that. I can share it with you.
Speaker 3: And then he said, do you know about Boumont prov
Speaker 3: I said no, oh, you don't. I said, well no,
Speaker 3: and I said, okay, we got his books, you know.
Speaker 3: And I got the books from him, and so I
Speaker 3: go back home and then I started reading the books
Speaker 3: and I was fascinated, like never before. Wow, something really
Speaker 3: hit me and I thought, wow, but this man did
Speaker 3: was really astounding. So I think I read all three
Speaker 3: books in like five days and nights. He was like,
Speaker 3: I couldn't put them down, you know. I would read
Speaker 3: all lie Wow, and then and then as much during
Speaker 3: the day as I could. And then he was like, wow,
Speaker 3: that was so great. And then he mentions the Gateway
Speaker 3: voyage in the books. And then I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that would be great, but that's pretty far away because
Speaker 3: I was living in Spain at the time, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't have the time or the money
Speaker 3: to go to Virginia now. And this I thought, well whatever,
Speaker 3: And then a few years on the road, I'm looking
Speaker 3: up something on the Internet and I see Gateway boy Spain,
Speaker 3: Like what and like is this real? And there was
Speaker 3: a phone number, so I called and there was this
Speaker 3: American lady living in Spain and she was a mon
Speaker 3: road trainer and she was the only one or one
Speaker 3: of the very few that was actually doing any Montro
Speaker 3: stuff outside of the US. And I said, so, do
Speaker 3: you have a Gateway and she said yeah. In November,
Speaker 3: I said, okay, booked me up and so yeah. I
Speaker 3: never looked back. I mean, I did a Gateway. It
Speaker 3: was fascinating to me, literally life changing, like you said,
Speaker 3: and it made so much sense. And it was such
Speaker 3: a no nonsense, no dogma, no no fluffy things I
Speaker 3: wanted things to be because I knew these things were real,
Speaker 3: you know, other places of the realities. But that approach
Speaker 3: that we use, that it's so so matter of fact.
Speaker 4: It's a scientific approach. Yeah, data, it's all based on exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also the technique for you know, for tuning
Speaker 3: into those realities through sound, it's also simple and so
Speaker 3: but the elegance of it, on the simplicity of it,
Speaker 3: it's efficient, yeah, exactly, it's just efficiently just walks. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't have all the candles and incense.
Speaker 1: That's like what Maya told me when I did my
Speaker 1: first interview with her. She was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: lived in India for two years and doing like transcendental meditation.
Speaker 1: And she said, but then I came to the Monroe
Speaker 1: Institute and I got more out of it in one
Speaker 1: week than I did living in India for two years.
Speaker 1: And I thought about that deeply. I'm like, wow, that's
Speaker 1: really powerful. And I think like, based off of what
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's it's amazing, Like the Minrosa two is
Speaker 1: so amazing because it is like you said, it's no nonsense.
Speaker 1: There's no rituals, there's no creed. There's one creed. It's
Speaker 1: literally like, no, you don't have to believe anything except
Speaker 1: you are more than your physical body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even that we invite that's the only little
Speaker 3: piece of dogma that we have, that you are more
Speaker 3: than your physical body. But even that one we invite
Speaker 3: everyone to challenge it. If this is true, I might
Speaker 3: really more than my physical body. And then we give
Speaker 3: you the tools and it's like here now you can try.
Speaker 3: Now you can really figure out whether you are or
Speaker 3: not more than your physical body.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's incredible. It gives people the opportunity to find
Speaker 4: the answer for themselves.
Speaker 3: So yeah, don't believe anything. Yeah, we try to keep
Speaker 3: the teaching or whatever. We don't even consider ourselves to
Speaker 3: teach anything. Just facilitate experiences and if you have questions,
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, here's the tools. Now you go out
Speaker 3: there you find them for yourself. That's that's the way
Speaker 3: we like doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think efficient is the right word. I
Speaker 4: remember maybe a couple of years ago, a year or
Speaker 4: two ago, Ryan started telling me about like data wave
Speaker 4: stay and earth Theda states and binoralbeats and this kind
Speaker 4: of stuff, and he's like, dude, this stuff is like
Speaker 4: a fast track to get you into that Theda state,
Speaker 4: Like there are Tibetan monks that train their entire lives
Speaker 4: to get into this state and this thing can get
Speaker 4: you there immediately. And I was like what, Like really?
Speaker 4: And then I start doing it for myself and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: there's something to this. And then hearing his stories and
Speaker 4: his sister Emily's stories, and hearing all these stories of
Speaker 4: people that have really dedicated themselves to this process, and
Speaker 4: I think it really is something profound and kind of
Speaker 4: uncharted territory. It's also just incredible that this sort of
Speaker 4: thing is happening. I remember being a kid, and ever
Speaker 4: since I was little, I've always had an intuitive feeling
Speaker 4: like energy that comes from the body is real, and
Speaker 4: the spirit is real and consciousness is real. And I
Speaker 4: always had this fantasy as a kid, I would always think,
Speaker 4: why aren't they like Hogwarts style institutions that are studying
Speaker 4: this stuff, Like you know, we're studying like the atom
Speaker 4: bomb and like stuff in space and like all this
Speaker 4: how to make food cheaper and like all this this
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, which is important stuff. But ever since
Speaker 4: I was little, I remember thinking I wish there was
Speaker 4: some kind of a place that just focuses on figuring
Speaker 4: this anomaly out, this this strength because I knew, I
Speaker 4: always knew that we're more than our physical body. I
Speaker 4: just didn't know the specifics. And I'm really glad that
Speaker 4: this institution is a thing that exists.
Speaker 5: It's it's really incredible, and I think it's the po
Speaker 5: where first time I found out it was like oh someone, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: It's like thank god, somebody's doing it, Like somebody has
Speaker 5: to do it. I always thought that, and so I'm
Speaker 5: just I find myself really fascinated with the Monroe Institute
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also when you were mentioned about the effectiveness
Speaker 3: of it to me on the early days, because I
Speaker 3: had experience with meditation, but then when I tried the
Speaker 3: Montro I thought, I was like, oh wow. And I
Speaker 3: always used to say that to me, the difference was
Speaker 3: like between riding a bicycle and riding a motorcycle. It's
Speaker 3: just you know, kind of that comparison.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And funny story, I don't know if you probably
Speaker 3: told it on one of the previous episodes. Back in
Speaker 3: the nineties, there was this sand monk. He was ninety something.
Speaker 3: He went to the Gateway. He was taking Gateway and
Speaker 3: I think it was Wednesday when they were trying focus
Speaker 3: fifteen or something. He got all agitated and he said,
Speaker 3: I need to talk to Bob Montreux. And they were like, well,
Speaker 3: Bob is not here, Well I need to talk to him,
Speaker 3: and he insisted, and he insisted, and eventually they called
Speaker 3: Bob and said, Bob, can't you because he lived up
Speaker 3: in the mountain, can you come down to the institute
Speaker 3: because this gentleman wants to talk to you. And so
Speaker 3: Bob went there, and the sand monk said, do you
Speaker 3: have any idea what you're doing here? And he was like, well,
Speaker 3: I've been doing it for like forty years. I think
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And then the monk said, these people in my group here,
Speaker 3: they're riching states of consciousness just a few days. It
Speaker 3: takes us decades of siten. And then the story was
Speaker 3: I think it was on the Wall Street Journal or something,
Speaker 3: but it's that kind of thing. Yeah, you know, yes,
Speaker 3: you can gether by your own means and without guidance
Speaker 3: and without a framework, without anything, but it's way more difficult. Wow.
Speaker 4: So was he agitated in a way like he was concerned, No,
Speaker 4: but he was like surprised more than anything.
Speaker 3: And he was saying things like, oh, you Americans, you
Speaker 3: always have to do anything fast.
Speaker 4: Let's get it moving, Let's get it moving. We ain't
Speaker 4: got time for this.
Speaker 1: Well, it brings up the question right, like, and I
Speaker 1: don't mean this in a bad way, but the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes to my mind is like, did I
Speaker 1: just waste my whole life trying to master this thing
Speaker 1: that I inherently can do? If you know, shown a
Speaker 1: simpler way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's ninety, he's spent ninety years trying to get
Speaker 4: there and then boom.
Speaker 1: And it's not his fault because, right, this is relatively
Speaker 1: new territory, right, Like Tibetan monks have been doing this
Speaker 1: for hundreds, if not, I guess it's hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You could argue in India they've been
Speaker 1: doing it for thousands. But then it's like, we always
Speaker 1: find a newer, better way to do something. So it's
Speaker 1: nobody's fault that they haven't found this method. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I guess technically, nobody's wasted their life. There
Speaker 1: are some people out there. I've seen comments on previous
Speaker 1: videos of ours. There are some people who are like, well,
Speaker 1: this method is ancient and sacred and it's better because xyz.
Speaker 1: And it's like that's good for you. My life is short,
Speaker 1: my time is valuable. I really appreciate this efficient method.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: They didn't have headphones a thousand years ago, so yeah,
Speaker 4: we've evolved a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they always if you think of it, they
Speaker 3: always use sound for reaching altered states of consciousness, like drumming.
Speaker 2: Bowls.
Speaker 3: So this technology is not like new, but we just
Speaker 3: refined it. As you said, there were no headphones. Now
Speaker 3: we have them, so now we can do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's evolution.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also a very good point. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to leave forever. You know, I often tell people participants.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like we can live for like
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred years here. You just have this lifetime. Maybe
Speaker 3: other lifetimes, but for now you have this one. So
Speaker 3: you know, you may want to think of what you
Speaker 3: want to do with it and be efficient about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. So I have to ask, what's it
Speaker 1: like going on a body.
Speaker 3: Well, at the beginning, the first time is shocking. The
Speaker 3: first thing that most people experience is fear. It's usually
Speaker 3: the first reaction is fear, and it's a very primal fear,
Speaker 3: like real terror. It's like very in your body. And
Speaker 3: then once you get used to it, then curiosity kicks in.
Speaker 3: And they often said you cannot be curious and fearful
Speaker 3: at the same time. I'm not sure I fully agree,
Speaker 3: but yeah, that you shift from being fearful to okay,
Speaker 3: now what's out there and you start sniffing around. So
Speaker 3: usually a lot of people start there, oh, is this
Speaker 3: thing real. Is the out of body state real? If
Speaker 3: it's really when I try it and when I go there.
Speaker 3: That's how I started too, and I spent hundreds and
Speaker 3: hundreds of hours trying to go out of body and
Speaker 3: I did succeed. Now, in hindsight, it's like, was that
Speaker 3: worth it? And I think it was. Maybe it would
Speaker 3: have done things differently now I wouldn't focus so much
Speaker 3: on the phenomenology of the out of body state, but
Speaker 3: more on the content.
Speaker 1: What do you do with it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, going out of body gave me something unvaluable,
Speaker 3: which I think it's I mean the actual knowledge like
Speaker 3: one hundred percent in every cell of your I was
Speaker 3: gonna say your body, but guess.
Speaker 5: What, right, Yeah, it's about it fear about it, and
Speaker 5: so there's no way that you cannot know that that's real.
Speaker 3: I mean it's so real that it's like overwhelmingly real.
Speaker 3: So it's not a belief anymore. You jump in a
Speaker 3: split second from believing or considering it as a posibility
Speaker 3: to just know it, and then you also know, at
Speaker 3: least in my case, I knew that I was immortal.
Speaker 3: That's huge. I mean, like I knew I wouldn't die,
Speaker 3: did I die, and that alone for me, it was
Speaker 3: like it was worth all the hours I spent doing it. Now,
Speaker 3: once having done that, would I continue investing hundreds of
Speaker 3: hours in trying to go bod? It was maybe not.
Speaker 3: Maybe I would focus on more on the content, like
Speaker 3: what I want to get out of it. And we
Speaker 3: also have at Montro something that we call the facing model,
Speaker 3: which is you don't necessarily need to leave your body.
Speaker 3: It's like you face your consciousness out into different frequency,
Speaker 3: so to speak. So you start perceiving, your attention shifts
Speaker 3: from this really physical reality into other realities, and then
Speaker 3: you start getting signal getting data from there. And that's
Speaker 3: way way easier than going out about it. That's much
Speaker 3: more reliable, much more efficient, and it's repeatable. You can
Speaker 3: do it anytime, and you don't necessarily need to fill
Speaker 3: the vibrations and leave your body and all of that.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting you say that, And I hope it's
Speaker 1: okay that I repeat the story. Right when you got
Speaker 1: here a few hours ago, we were talking about this
Speaker 1: and something I haven't really told much to you guys.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like hard to talk about because
Speaker 1: it's like, man, are people going to believe me. But
Speaker 1: ever since coming back from the Gateway experience, there have
Speaker 1: now been four occasions where I've spontaneously popped out a
Speaker 1: body laying in bed at night. And I know I
Speaker 1: already told you the story, but you know, for the
Speaker 1: listener's sake, maybe I could get your take because what
Speaker 1: I've experienced two nights ago is similar to what you
Speaker 1: just described. So I'll just start over and tell you again. Right, So,
Speaker 1: I'm laying in bed and I'm wide awake, and I
Speaker 1: start transitioning into another place where there's something communicating to me.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see it face on. It looked kind of
Speaker 1: like a glowing being, which I mean you know what
Speaker 1: that means to me? Right, And there's like stars all
Speaker 1: around me, and I swear to you I was like
Speaker 1: moving my hand and the camera can see me. Right. So,
Speaker 1: all right, So if my hand is right here by
Speaker 1: my side and I'm laying on my back trying to
Speaker 1: go to sleep, I'm gonna swap hands here so you
Speaker 1: can see my little illustration. This is my right hand,
Speaker 1: even though it's my physical left hand. It's right here,
Speaker 1: and I try to move my hand and it feels
Speaker 1: like it's way over here and my physical hand doesn't move,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, ohh, I'm out of body and this
Speaker 1: information starts coming to me. Is that kind of like
Speaker 1: what you're describing the phasing model?
Speaker 3: U mm, not really, but it's very similar what I
Speaker 3: think that was happening to you. And again I really
Speaker 3: have no way of really knowing what was happening. But
Speaker 3: what often happens. You sort of reach this estate where
Speaker 3: you could break loose. You're really loose from your physical body.
Speaker 3: The thing is you stay there within reach of your body.
Speaker 3: You're not floating away. You could if you intend to,
Speaker 3: and that's why you could move your hand away from
Speaker 3: your non physical hand, away from your physical hand. And
Speaker 3: then so you could do this intentionally by meditation or
Speaker 3: by breathing or whatever, shifting to data state, or to
Speaker 3: some people, it just happen to naturally. And then what happens.
Speaker 3: You still in your bedroom, You still feel your bed,
Speaker 3: and you still feel your body, but your consciousness is
Speaker 3: already shifting into another place, but not fully. So you're
Speaker 3: still hear and you're also there, so that both realities
Speaker 3: kind of overlap and things super imposed. It's not unusual
Speaker 3: to maybe look at the ceiling and see the stars
Speaker 3: in the sky, or to see other beings coming through
Speaker 3: your wall or talking to you or whatever. So that
Speaker 3: can be a little spooky, but yeah, yeah, it kind
Speaker 3: of is. You were shifting perspectives. You were shifting your
Speaker 3: attention maybe intentionally, maybe you know, from this reality into
Speaker 3: the other reality to a point where both were overlapping.
Speaker 1: Since leaving on Road, it's all been spontaneous, like I
Speaker 1: haven't been trying to to do it. It just like
Speaker 1: sort of happens when I'm laying in bed at night
Speaker 1: and I do use the expand app and listen to
Speaker 1: the sleep frequencies, which I mean, I guess maybe that
Speaker 1: gets me to a certain relaxed state, but then it
Speaker 1: just starts happening. It's it's always like kind of caught
Speaker 1: me by surprise. The first time it scared me, but
Speaker 1: then I remembered my experiences at Gateway and I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's nothing to be afraid of. I repeated the you know,
Speaker 1: the affirmation, and I was like, it's totally fine. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just wanted your take on that, like, it's is
Speaker 1: this something that you guys hear reports of commonly?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, of course, and that's the result of all
Speaker 3: the world you did you in your gateway. You know,
Speaker 3: you invested all these hours into going into these states
Speaker 3: and you see the techniques, and you've been practicing ever
Speaker 3: since you came back, So now it's paying off.
Speaker 4: Interesting on the subject of sleep, has the Monroans done
Speaker 4: very much study in the way of sleep paralysis?
Speaker 3: Not really? Sleep aaralysis is something very very I know
Speaker 3: this is scary for a lot of people, and naturally
Speaker 3: so because it can be very uncomfortable, especially if you
Speaker 3: don't know what it is. But think of this. Sleep
Speaker 3: aaralysis is something that happens to all of us every night.
Speaker 3: The only thing is that we're usually not aware of it.
Speaker 3: And it's actually a good thing. It's like a safety mechanism.
Speaker 3: If you didn't have a sleep paralysis, you would be
Speaker 3: enacting your dreams. You would be sleepwalking. You could follo
Speaker 3: off a window or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the reason why your body gets paralyzed is
Speaker 3: so you don't enact your dreams. Now, what happens the
Speaker 3: moment you wake up during the sleep paralysis you freak
Speaker 3: out because your body is totally paralyzed and look, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I cannot move. And not only that, Usually
Speaker 3: when you're instead of sleep paralys like like Ryan was experiencing, experiencing,
Speaker 3: usually part of your consciousness is somewhere else. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's very common for people to report, Okay, I wake
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night, I opened my eyes,
Speaker 3: I cannot move, I'm totally paralyzed, and now there's people
Speaker 3: in my room.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's probably the closest thing that I've experienced to
Speaker 4: being out of body. I've never experienced explicitly being out
Speaker 4: of body, but I have probably a couple of hundred
Speaker 4: of experiences with sleep per Elms.
Speaker 3: Well that's a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it It hasn't happened a ton in the last
Speaker 4: few years, interestingly, like around the time that we started
Speaker 4: doing the podcast, But yeah, since I was eleven or twelve,
Speaker 4: it would happen at least a couple of times a month,
Speaker 4: and it was it was usually pretty scary, But then
Speaker 4: the more times I had it, the more kind of
Speaker 4: interesting they got. I did start to see some into
Speaker 4: he's in the room with me, which that was very
Speaker 4: scary at first, but then I quickly realized they can't
Speaker 4: really interact with me directly. They can't seem to. They
Speaker 4: can get close to me. There have been a couple
Speaker 4: times where they got very close to me, but nothing,
Speaker 4: you know, nothing ever.
Speaker 3: Nothing happens. And usually the sleeperaralys is something that people
Speaker 3: start fearing when they experience it, and then people who
Speaker 3: want to go out of body they usually seek them.
Speaker 3: They usually look for them because the sleep analysis for
Speaker 3: them is like a gateway into the out of body state.
Speaker 3: Once you experience in the sleep analysis, just just to
Speaker 3: step away from being out of body, yeah, all you
Speaker 3: need is an intention to be somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There were a few times where the sleep paralysis would
Speaker 4: start and then I don't know if it's sort of
Speaker 4: like being out of body or whatever, but I would
Speaker 4: think that my actual body was getting up and walking
Speaker 4: down the hallway, and then in a snap, I'm back
Speaker 4: in the bed and I'm like there was this one
Speaker 4: particular instance where that happened. I don't know, ten or
Speaker 4: twenty times in a row. I would get up, walk
Speaker 4: down the hallway, and then I'm back in bed. And
Speaker 4: then I was like, Okay, that's weird. Let me actually
Speaker 4: get up this time, and I would think I was awake,
Speaker 4: and again I'm back in bed, and it would happen
Speaker 4: over and over and over and over, and then eventually
Speaker 4: I finally woke up, not knowing if I was still
Speaker 4: asleep or awake or whatever. There were a couple of
Speaker 4: times like that, and so I've always had this thought
Speaker 4: that maybe there's gotta be some kind of relation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. And to me, it sounds like you
Speaker 3: were really going out of body, not far away, just
Speaker 3: sounds the whole way, and then snapping back as it
Speaker 3: usually happens, but it sounds like you really did go
Speaker 3: to bod it many times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it felt completely real.
Speaker 4: It is real, Yeah, yeah, I mean it felt like
Speaker 4: my body, you know, my physical Body's been a very
Speaker 4: long time since something like that has happened, and so
Speaker 4: I've always been really fascinated about and having an out
Speaker 4: of body experience. And I'd like to chase that at
Speaker 4: some point. But it'll it'll happens when it'll happen, when
Speaker 4: it happens. I'm that's kind of how I let things
Speaker 4: come to me. I don't I'm not much of like
Speaker 4: a seeker go out and get it and find it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, when it happens, I'll I'll just take the
Speaker 4: experience in and enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess it should be easier for you
Speaker 3: because you have all these background, all this previous experience
Speaker 3: of experience in the sleeperalysis and actually seeing yourself walking
Speaker 3: down the hallway and then snapping back.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably you're not going to be scared about it anymore, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so there thing is going for you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think I think I'll be I think I'll be
Speaker 4: a little less scared than if it had never happened
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yea.
Speaker 4: So it's it's intriguing, it's really intriguing, and I'm excited
Speaker 4: to have my first out of body experience. I'm man
Speaker 4: of it. It's gonna happen at some point. I'll just
Speaker 4: when it happens, I'll be very well.
Speaker 1: You have the intention.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See I didn't even have the intention. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and it happened, so like I can only imagine having
Speaker 1: the intention and the knowing that it is possible, not
Speaker 1: only possible, but available for everyone. And that's another thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to add to your story. Like we would
Speaker 1: be kids, we've known each other since we were eleven
Speaker 1: and twelve. You know, he'd be like staying at my
Speaker 1: house on a Friday, and like I don't know, me
Speaker 1: and my brother would be playing Halo or something and
Speaker 1: he's asleep behind us on the floor because we would
Speaker 1: sit on the floor. I had like a twin bed,
Speaker 1: and we would all sit in my room sometimes on
Speaker 1: the floor and we'd just be playing Xbox or whatever,
Speaker 1: and he'd be asleep, right and I'd turn around and
Speaker 1: he would just suddenly sit up. I'm like, you're good, dude,
Speaker 1: and he's like just kind of stunned, and he's like
Speaker 1: he'd be like, I just have sleep proud. I mean,
Speaker 1: it happened a lot, like really a lot, like I
Speaker 1: would see it happen over the years.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 4: When it's happening, you're like tensing your body, like trying
Speaker 4: to force yourself to get up, and then when you
Speaker 4: finally do wake up, it's like it all catches up.
Speaker 1: To you would like pop your arms like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like I can move my arms.
Speaker 4: They would pop.
Speaker 1: You were so tight and so like tense.
Speaker 4: It was a little scary.
Speaker 1: You look like you've been through it. But that's what
Speaker 1: I like about the Monroe experience, right is like I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this man at least in my experience, it
Speaker 1: is kind of a little bit scary going out of
Speaker 1: body in the first or for the first time, but
Speaker 1: it's not because something is trying to scare you.
Speaker 4: It's because it's bizarre.
Speaker 1: It's bizarre. Imagine your first time riding a roller coaster.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, you know, and you know what it's
Speaker 1: like writing a roller coaster. You know, you're dropping and
Speaker 1: you're going fast, and it's a different sensation that you're
Speaker 1: used to feeling. And if I could add a little context,
Speaker 1: it's like that. It's like it's it's scary in the
Speaker 1: sense that it's exciting and it feels a little foreign,
Speaker 1: but it's it's pretty it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't have any fear at all associated with the
Speaker 4: thought of going out of body, probably just because of
Speaker 4: the sleep paralysis stuff. To me, it just sounds really
Speaker 4: cool and exciting and magical. So it'd be really cool
Speaker 4: and I would be appreciative of the experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just to step away if
Speaker 3: you Brian said, if you just put your intention, you know,
Speaker 3: and spend some time rying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Then one thing, for some reason, as we're talking here,
Speaker 3: these ideas come into my mind like say this, say this,
Speaker 3: say this. I don't know what it's coming from. And
Speaker 3: it's just gonna say. One question for all of you
Speaker 3: out there who want to go out of body, and
Speaker 3: a question that I should have asked myself back in
Speaker 3: the day. I feel like I should have asked myself.
Speaker 3: And I often ask people when they tell me, oh,
Speaker 3: I want to go out of body, and my question
Speaker 3: is what for? Maybe you want you, guys, want to
Speaker 3: ask yourself what for? What are you going to do
Speaker 3: out there? Or how is that going to benefit your life?
Speaker 3: What anything of value are you willing to bring back
Speaker 3: for you? Like here now? Yeah, just going out of
Speaker 3: body for the sake of going out of body or
Speaker 3: you want something out of it you want. I think
Speaker 3: that's a good question, open question to ask people. And
Speaker 3: then once you answer that question, is and the way
Speaker 3: you need to go to body in order to achieve that?
Speaker 3: Or can I do that by other way? Easier means?
Speaker 3: So again, I don't want to discourage anyone, but I say,
Speaker 3: oh no, no, just don't go out of body. It's
Speaker 3: a fascinating thing and I love it, But don't get
Speaker 3: what I would say is don't get too caught up
Speaker 3: on the tools. Yeah, sure, you know, focus on what
Speaker 3: you want to builds. Yeah, if that makes any sense, No,
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like when I went to Monroe for this
Speaker 1: Creator Program thing. I'm telling you, I didn't even think
Speaker 1: that it was possible for me to go out of body.
Speaker 1: I didn't go there because of that. I went there
Speaker 1: because my dad and my sister came back to me
Speaker 1: and they were changed as people. They were changed in
Speaker 1: a way, especially my sister, and I wanted to go
Speaker 1: because I told this on the last day of the
Speaker 1: Creator Program. I said, for years, I've wanted a teacher,
Speaker 1: and I've wanted somebody who can you know, because things
Speaker 1: have spontaneously been happening to us our whole lives, my
Speaker 1: family or whatever. I wanted to find somebody who could
Speaker 1: help me develop these things so that they were no
Speaker 1: longer unconscious. And everybody out there is like, yeah, out
Speaker 1: of body, this out of body that that's great, But
Speaker 1: Monroe is so much more than that. It's a place
Speaker 1: where you can develop. I think about it like this.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people in this world I
Speaker 1: believe who are psychic potential, right have abilities but are
Speaker 1: not aware of it or are not conscious of how
Speaker 1: to make contact with it and use it in a meaningful,
Speaker 1: beneficial way in their lives. And I think Monroe is
Speaker 1: the place where you go to develop that. It's so
Speaker 1: much more than going out of body. It's like you said,
Speaker 1: what are you seeking from this experience?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I think you put it beautifully. And one
Speaker 3: thing that Monroe gives to a lot of people, it
Speaker 3: is a framework which things get normalized. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 3: probably a good point to talk about. You know, this
Speaker 3: has been this kind of psychic phenomena has been happening
Speaker 3: since the inception of humankind. And it's always like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is so special and it's been validated because here
Speaker 3: here's the evidence. Okay, all of that is great, but
Speaker 3: when are we going to normalize it like this happens
Speaker 3: or is accessible to any human being? Now? Can we
Speaker 3: please move on? Can we all accept that this is
Speaker 3: a fact, that the autobode experience is a reality, that
Speaker 3: there are other realities, There are entities out there. Now
Speaker 3: what do we do with it? And I think one
Speaker 3: thing that Montro gives a lot of people is normalcy
Speaker 3: about these things, because you can't imagine how many people
Speaker 3: come freaking out like things like you were experiencing, Like, Oh,
Speaker 3: I wake up in the middle of the night and
Speaker 3: I can't move. I'm so scared. I don't know what
Speaker 3: to do. Nobody understands anything. People think I'm crazy. Or
Speaker 3: I see that people at night and they ask for
Speaker 3: my help and I don't know what to do with that.
Speaker 3: That happen a lot. Or I see lights in the
Speaker 3: sky and nobody else is them. Everyone thinks I'm crazy.
Speaker 3: You go to Monro and say, well, yeah, that's what
Speaker 3: we do here on.
Speaker 4: Normal stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it gives people a framework in which
Speaker 3: that's normal, and that that in itself, that thing alone,
Speaker 3: you know, puts a lot of people at is Okay,
Speaker 3: this is normal. Now what's next? Now what do I
Speaker 3: I guess the next question would we now, what do
Speaker 3: I do with this? Now that I'm sort of normalizing
Speaker 3: this thing, how do I integrate it into my life?
Speaker 3: How do I integrate into this physical human life? The
Speaker 3: fact that there's other realities out there, the fact that
Speaker 3: you don't die when you die. And if you ask me,
Speaker 3: what is the main thing that we do what Monro
Speaker 3: is allow the people to turn beliefs into nones because
Speaker 3: you can't believe that there is an afterlife but you
Speaker 3: don't know do it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And having one of those experiences is like an autobot
Speaker 3: experience or something similar, can prove to yourself that is
Speaker 3: actually real, right. Yeah, But again, the gap between believing
Speaker 3: and knowing it's massive, it's huge, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because belief is almost active, whereas knowing is passive. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's subconscious. You don't have to try at all, you
Speaker 4: just know.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 4: Belief feels maybe like it requires some effort act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I don't know for sure, but I
Speaker 1: you know, I get it.
Speaker 4: I actively believe it's active.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you think of it ultimately, why would
Speaker 3: you even have any belief at all? Why would you
Speaker 3: believe anything at all? Why just not suspend judgment until
Speaker 3: you really know or don't know? That's interesting. That's something
Speaker 3: we put a lot of emphasis onto. Huh, Like beliefs
Speaker 3: just get in the way basically. That's really interesting, And
Speaker 3: some beliefs can be very useful. For instance, if you
Speaker 3: believe yourself to be all capable. I'm just a hard worker,
Speaker 3: you know, I can handle anything. Well, that's gonna be
Speaker 3: positive maybe you're gonna burn yourself out eventually. But you know,
Speaker 3: some beliefs can really take you really far, but most
Speaker 3: of them are just limitations that we have. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: why not? Why not say something like, Okay, I don't
Speaker 3: know one way or another. I don't know if this
Speaker 3: is true or not, so I just don't believe anything.
Speaker 3: I just suspend my belief until I have a chance
Speaker 3: to find out and then I know or I don't.
Speaker 3: I tried and I felt, well, I still don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I relate to that a lot. I feel that's
Speaker 4: kind of how I accept information. I just i'd stay,
Speaker 4: I stay somewhat agnostic to a lot of ideas until
Speaker 4: I fully and firmly know for myself.
Speaker 3: That's the healthiest thing to do. Sad thing is most
Speaker 3: people don't do that. People usually very quickly jump into oh,
Speaker 3: I don't believe that, or I do believe it. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm a believing You don't feed me anything. I'll swallow
Speaker 3: anything you give me. Yeah or no, No, I just
Speaker 3: don't believe it. That's not true.
Speaker 4: Yeah. They grasp to those beliefs, and it's like an attachment.
Speaker 4: It's a very strong attachment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even the opposite, and being an skeptic is
Speaker 3: very healthy. But some people take skepticism to a level
Speaker 3: of foremost religion. Oh, I just don't believe it, and
Speaker 3: that's my religion. I just don't believe anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and some people say, oh, there's no afterlife, and
Speaker 3: they believe that so strongly that guess what happens to
Speaker 3: them when they die? They find themselves alive, and they
Speaker 3: in their minds there's only one reality and it's this one.
Speaker 3: So if they see themselves alive, they believe they're still
Speaker 3: alive in the human body because that's all there is.
Speaker 3: And then this guy is turning to ghosts.
Speaker 1: Wow, can we die that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna ask because I'm very interesting in
Speaker 1: the lifeline. Well, that brings me to my next question then,
Speaker 1: because I was waiting for the right moment to inject this,
Speaker 1: and now it has presented itself. I was going to ask,
Speaker 1: based on your pretty much lifetime almost lifetime of you know,
Speaker 1: your experiences with Monroe and being a trainer, my question was,
Speaker 1: what's your take on life after death? We've already naturally
Speaker 1: gotten there, but I had to say the question so well.
Speaker 3: My take based on my experience and the experiences of
Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of people that have come to our class,
Speaker 3: especially Lifeline, which is a graduate program that you can
Speaker 3: take after Gateway focused specifically on life after life. And
Speaker 3: so based on my experience and other people's, I know
Speaker 3: you see again, I don't believe now, I know that
Speaker 3: you simply don't die. You cannot die. I mean, you
Speaker 3: are an immortal being. And when you die here, you
Speaker 3: pop up somewhere else. Basically that's what happens. Or are
Speaker 3: you going to pop up? That's kind of tricky that
Speaker 3: it's not like this place where everyone goes. You would
Speaker 3: mainly depend on what your state of consciousness is. So
Speaker 3: if you die in a state of bliss and very
Speaker 3: high frequency whatever, you're probably going to find yourself in
Speaker 3: a place that matches that. And see angelic beans and this,
Speaker 3: and and if you die in a state of twenty
Speaker 3: year or horror, probably you're gonna show up in a
Speaker 3: preagly place. Then again, you're not going to stay there forever.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody moves on eventually, some people stay in
Speaker 3: one given place for longer or shorter whatever. And we
Speaker 3: have done so much work on life after that you
Speaker 3: wouldn't believe. I mean when Bob Montreux came up with
Speaker 3: Lifeline at the beginning, it was like a research experiment,
Speaker 3: really like everything at Montrovo, so he would give participants.
Speaker 3: We don't do that anymore for several reasons, but up
Speaker 3: until quite recently, we would give participants in Lifeline contact
Speaker 3: sheets what we call contact sheets, which is like a
Speaker 3: form and every time you find someone on the other side,
Speaker 3: you write their name, where they lived, how they died,
Speaker 3: and enough data that you could verify that that was
Speaker 3: actually real. And then we would look up the cases
Speaker 3: and yes, this John Smith really lived in Minnesota and
Speaker 3: his wife was Nancy, and he was an architect and
Speaker 3: he died in a car crush. This actually happened. And
Speaker 3: we validated hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cases, and
Speaker 3: then it's like, okay, what's the point on validating any
Speaker 3: of these amore? Once you know it's real. It's like
Speaker 3: what I said before, Okay, it's real, we know it's really.
Speaker 1: Let's get to work.
Speaker 4: What's next?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you remember in our in our creator group when
Speaker 1: we were watching that documentary on TV. I can't remember
Speaker 1: the Yes, I think it was.
Speaker 3: I think it was a biography channel, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those big channels that I can't remember.
Speaker 3: They shoot that piece in twenty eleven. It was back
Speaker 3: there the Institute back in the day, and that was
Speaker 3: a lifeline class and they send the TV crew to
Speaker 3: take lifeline.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, and do you remember that the first name
Speaker 1: of the person that it was, but we guessed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I looked at you and you were like, and you
Speaker 1: told me after you were like, I've seen this hundreds
Speaker 1: of times and I never thought about it. It was
Speaker 1: just it was weird. It was totally weird.
Speaker 3: He totally you know, went over my rather it was like.
Speaker 1: Daniel Bledsoe or something was the first name on the
Speaker 1: the you know, the documentary thing. And I thought that
Speaker 1: was so peculiar because the second time ever to my knowledge,
Speaker 1: that the Monroe Institute will ever be on TV, is
Speaker 1: going to be because of the History Channel thing, which
Speaker 1: we haven't gone into much detail about, but we have
Speaker 1: been authorized to at least talk about it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was weird that both times that
Speaker 1: that I think it was Life, Lifetime or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then we have an upcoming History Channel appearance with them
Speaker 1: in row. Both of them have a blood cell. So
Speaker 1: I was like, this is weird.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: And one thing that happened on that documentary that we
Speaker 3: didn't know because these guys came and they shoot the piece.
Speaker 3: They spend the whole week there and then they left
Speaker 3: and they told us, Okay, we'll let you know when
Speaker 3: this comes in the air, and so then they told us, okay,
Speaker 3: it's going to be this Tuesday whatever. So everyone's there
Speaker 3: watching Biography Channel. What we didn't know is that they
Speaker 3: actually afterwards they hired a professional investigator to validate the cases,
Speaker 3: and they did, and they show it in the documentary.
Speaker 1: They were real people, like they found their graves and everything,
Speaker 1: and they even need to.
Speaker 3: Read their families, their descendants and everything.
Speaker 1: So now they show it at Gateway as like educational
Speaker 1: material like that.
Speaker 4: I'd love to see that it's out there.
Speaker 1: To find it for you. It's really cool, dude. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's awesome stuff. And the first the first name
Speaker 1: was blood, so that's that's just the dead person. That's
Speaker 1: just too much of a coincidence. Your first time being there,
Speaker 1: you hear your last name. It's not a common name.
Speaker 1: I don't know I just thought it was weird. I
Speaker 1: don't want to read too much into it, but I
Speaker 1: did find it a killer that both TV appearances, which
Speaker 1: again the second one is not out yet, it was delayed,
Speaker 1: both of them have a blood set. I was like, huh,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm in the right place. I don't know who
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 4: Sure it was reaffirming.
Speaker 1: So did you have a question I didn't mean to come.
Speaker 4: Well, something I'm a little curious about is something that
Speaker 4: you said earlier, which is that you know, we as
Speaker 4: in Monroe, know this information and it's it's not it's
Speaker 4: not a spectacular thing. We're not we're not all wondering
Speaker 4: if we know this or if we believe it. And
Speaker 4: then you you mentioned that the world doesn't necessarily always
Speaker 4: match up with these beliefs or this knowledge, even though
Speaker 4: it feels like, don't we all know this by now?
Speaker 4: What I'm curious on your take of, like, what is
Speaker 4: holding the world back from knowing this stuff? Why is
Speaker 4: there so much pushback and rejection?
Speaker 3: I think it's probably the Western approach that we have
Speaker 3: to science. Yeah, it has taken us really really far,
Speaker 3: Like it has taken us even out of the planet
Speaker 3: and into space and everything, but this hyper rationalization of
Speaker 3: everything and this thing, this way of looking at things. Oh,
Speaker 3: if my tools cannot measure it, then it doesn't exist. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is funny if you think of it. But if
Speaker 3: there's something out there that your tools cannot measure, it
Speaker 3: happens all the time. There is I mean, it happened
Speaker 3: with brain waves before. You didn't have gama brain waves
Speaker 3: cause why because the electrodes were not sensitive enough, so
Speaker 3: gamma waves didn't exist. Bacteria, yeah, bacteria didn't exist. The
Speaker 3: guy who invented who mainted, the guy who discovered microbes
Speaker 3: and you know, germs, he ended up in a psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 3: Everybody made fun of him. Oh the guy who's his
Speaker 3: little creatures.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, the water and the water and.
Speaker 3: They couldn't measure it. Therefore it didn't exist. And it
Speaker 3: you know, it's always like that. And if you go
Speaker 3: to other cultures, cultures that we often label as primitive
Speaker 3: who live in the Amazon jungle or whatever, they have
Speaker 3: it fully integrated in their lives. You know, like even
Speaker 3: for even more developed cultures like India, well, the afterlife
Speaker 3: is a fact for all of them. They don't even
Speaker 3: question it or the ability to contact the spirits or
Speaker 3: you know, in many cultures that's a given. They even
Speaker 3: have a shaman who's the professional guy who does that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and when you need it, you just go to the
Speaker 3: shaman and he does it for you. He opens a
Speaker 3: door for you and then you look into it or whatever.
Speaker 3: So why cannot we do the same thing. And then
Speaker 3: the thing is, we usually don't acknowledge this publicly, maybe
Speaker 3: out of shame or because we don't want to ruin
Speaker 3: our careers or disrespected scientists. I don't want to say
Speaker 3: that I believe in an afterlife, then I'm going to
Speaker 3: be ostracized. But it's like, you know, in the privacy
Speaker 3: of our lives, we all sort of know or believe
Speaker 3: that this is a thing. But then like we're not
Speaker 3: quite there yet. We just like mainstream is like there's
Speaker 3: consensus in society, Yes, this is real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think you're I think it is somewhat
Speaker 4: that like hyper rationalization of the of Western culture. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean even a more recent example of something we
Speaker 4: have no idea what it is. It's like dark energy,
Speaker 4: dark matter. These scientists are like, it's everywhere. We know,
Speaker 4: it's everywhere. We have no idea what it is.
Speaker 1: It's ninety four the entire universe, the universe.
Speaker 4: We're surrounded by it right now. We have no clue
Speaker 4: what it is. And it's like, I find it fascinating
Speaker 4: that these brilliant scientific minds, it's like they have zero imagination,
Speaker 4: that they have no willingness to say maybe, like to
Speaker 4: have that agnosticism of saying, maybe.
Speaker 3: There you go, that's mentality. What if these were real?
Speaker 3: What would it be like? Yeah, And some brilliant scientists,
Speaker 3: and most brilliant ones were actually the ones who had imagination,
Speaker 3: Like Einstein the way he came up with his theory
Speaker 3: of relativity, it was like he asked himself, what would
Speaker 3: it be like to be traveling faster than light? What
Speaker 3: would that feel like? Oh, it would spend time and space.
Speaker 3: And also Nicola Tesla when he was twelve he went
Speaker 3: to Niagara Fault and he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: that's so much energy. What would it be like to
Speaker 3: harness that energy? And he created the first ever, you know,
Speaker 3: hydroelectric plants in the world. Yeah, but you know, most
Speaker 3: scientists are not like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 4: And as soon as they like Einstein and Tesla, as
Speaker 4: soon as they have a theory or something that's a
Speaker 4: little weird. Everybody's like, ah, lock him up, lock him up,
Speaker 4: he's lost his mind. He's a weirdo.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the man train science generally is don't rock
Speaker 3: the bout. Yeah, but why don't get out of the
Speaker 3: consensus comfortable reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's rocket, Well, let's rock in the boat. Seriously.
Speaker 1: It's something that my dad and I have talked about
Speaker 1: for a long time because you know, we've had our
Speaker 1: own history of you know, seeing the beings and all
Speaker 1: that stuff that's been going on for almost twenty years.
Speaker 1: It'll be eighteen in January, right, So that's something that
Speaker 1: we've come to understand, is like I I for starters,
Speaker 1: having a supernatural experience that you're viewing externally, seeing a
Speaker 1: ghost or you know, a being or a UFO or whatever,
Speaker 1: to me, in my opinion, is very very very finely separated.
Speaker 1: Like it's a very close phenomenon to going out of
Speaker 1: body and what happens at Monroe. It's just a little different, right,
Speaker 1: it's inner versus outer, But to me, it's like the
Speaker 1: same thing. There's a connection. So anyway, so my dad
Speaker 1: and I've been talking about this for like eighteen years. Well,
Speaker 1: if they were to come out and finally acknowledge in
Speaker 1: a broad sense that like, okay, consciousness is a thing
Speaker 1: in life after death, you know, you're immortal all the
Speaker 1: stuff we've been talking about. The opinion we've come to
Speaker 1: is like, well, there'd be a lot of people out
Speaker 1: of a job. There'll be a lot of people who
Speaker 1: have to rewrite their textbooks and would have to admit, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've been wrong ostracizing people, you know, my whole career.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's just it's a it's a tough
Speaker 1: not to crack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what happens. It really challenges the whole
Speaker 3: statugu of things, and it opens so many questions that
Speaker 3: nobody wants to go there. And sometimes science does look
Speaker 3: into these things, like at Princeton, doctor Nelson, and I
Speaker 3: think it was Barbaradon. They spent three years collecting data
Speaker 3: in the lab with protocols that were, you know, way
Speaker 3: way more solid than in any other experiments because they
Speaker 3: knew they were going to be scrutinized very heavily. They
Speaker 3: were proving for thirty years that mine effects matter. Mm
Speaker 3: hm yeah, And guess what. And I remember being in
Speaker 3: Portugal watching her Barbaradon giving a presentation on their work.
Speaker 3: Three decades of collecting data, very solid data, and she said,
Speaker 3: we were expecting that finally the scientific community would look
Speaker 3: into it. Well guess what did never happened, No one
Speaker 3: ever occurred, And then they stopped doing the experiments because
Speaker 3: what was the point of accumulating more and more data
Speaker 3: if no one's gonna look at it. So there is
Speaker 3: scientific evidence that mind effects matter. There's scientific evidence of psychokinesis,
Speaker 3: there's scientific evidence of telepathy, and it's been proven again
Speaker 3: and again and again and again. But guess what people
Speaker 3: keep on saying, Oh, no, there's no evidence. Well guess
Speaker 3: what there is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of it. Actually.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you guys have heard
Speaker 1: of this yet. This just happened days ago, literally like
Speaker 1: breaking news, the first ever recorded evidence of genuine dream communication.
Speaker 1: How just happened like literally last week that they as
Speaker 1: an experiment and I don't know the name of the scientist,
Speaker 1: but it'll be very Just google it, Alex if you
Speaker 1: don't mind.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Dream communication and they like set it up in laboratory
Speaker 1: conditions and they developed their own dream language and they
Speaker 1: had two people with these headphones that are measuring like
Speaker 1: brain waves and they communicated with the dream language in
Speaker 1: their sleep. Just happened.
Speaker 3: I want to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, al for us, but I also have it
Speaker 1: in a d M. I could find it real quick
Speaker 1: if you just want me to. That's really yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: it's I've been seeing it all over my feed lately.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's funny because we've talked about quite a few of
Speaker 4: these experiments over the years. I've always been really fascinated
Speaker 4: in science. With science as well, I feel I have
Speaker 4: an equal fascination with science and spirit. Go like this
Speaker 4: they are The reality is they are married.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We actually have a little segment we do sometimes called
Speaker 4: spirit science where we you know, kind of talk about
Speaker 4: how they relate.
Speaker 1: Data of spiritual things. We should do an out of
Speaker 1: body one.
Speaker 4: Oh, let's do it. That would be stat Yeah. But
Speaker 4: I mean we talk about these studies and they're so
Speaker 4: profound and mind blowing and uh and concise and definite,
Speaker 4: and then it's like, whatever came of this? Nothing? We
Speaker 4: just do nothing with this talking about it. Yes, just
Speaker 4: like a couple of dorky dudes on a podcast talking
Speaker 4: about it, and it's like, whoa, why are really.
Speaker 3: What happened with the revelation by the Pentagon about a
Speaker 3: year ago? Pentagon's saying publicly in all mainstream media, Hey,
Speaker 3: UFO supt real And everyone's like okay, whatever.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, Like what what? What's happening? Am I crazy?
Speaker 4: Like why aren't we talking?
Speaker 1: You're the one that's not crazy?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 4: Why are we talking about this stuff more? Yeah, it's shocking, honestly.
Speaker 1: I think Alex found it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I found the article. So it's a it's a
Speaker 6: startup from the Bay Area, but they developed two way
Speaker 6: communication between people in dreams. So recently, on September twenty fourth,
Speaker 6: they linked to people in a lucid dream state achieved communication,
Speaker 6: and then they did that again in October.
Speaker 4: How how is this not every every headline in every
Speaker 4: news publication?
Speaker 3: And you see that's something that doesn't surprise me because
Speaker 3: that happens at Montroe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The thing is, we don't have a means to prove
Speaker 3: it to other people. Sure, but like in Gateway or
Speaker 3: it was happening all the time. Oh so you in
Speaker 3: my meditation always so you too? You were behind that tree? Yes,
Speaker 3: there I was, Yeah, and you were doing this and yes,
Speaker 3: I was doing. That happens all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just funny that people normally they need this,
Speaker 4: They need the headline and the article and the guys
Speaker 4: and the coats and like exactly you need a movie too. Yes,
Speaker 4: they need all of that stuff to believe it. It's like,
Speaker 4: it's right there. Why is that not on every TV?
Speaker 4: Why aren't we telling everybody? Because I feel that the
Speaker 4: moment that everybody in this world can at least get
Speaker 4: on the same page with that, we are more than
Speaker 4: our bodies, we would be in a better place.
Speaker 3: Well, of course, that's the whole purpose of you know,
Speaker 3: the exploration of human consciousness, to get to know that
Speaker 3: these things are real. And then said, before you move on,
Speaker 3: you do something about it.
Speaker 2: You do something with it. Yeah, let's move forward.
Speaker 1: This brings me to a good point. I've been waiting
Speaker 1: also for the right moment to ask this question. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get your take, and it perfectly aligned with
Speaker 1: all the stuff we're talking about about Monroe's mission and purpose.
Speaker 3: Well, the monro Cities mission and purpose if to to
Speaker 3: to allow people to explore consciousness. That's what we do,
Speaker 3: and the exploration of consciousness and to provide these tools
Speaker 3: to as many people as possible. You know, our mission
Speaker 3: goal right now, it's very ambitious. I don't know if
Speaker 3: we're gonna get there.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get it is.
Speaker 3: To get these tools available to one percent of the
Speaker 3: world population. That's eight million people. That's quite eighty million,
Speaker 3: well eight million, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Eighty million out of eight billion, one percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And guess what. But once we decided that was
Speaker 3: the goal, then people like you started showing up. Is
Speaker 3: it not funny? It is people with large audiences and
Speaker 3: who can really spread the message out there. So yeah,
Speaker 3: set up an invention related I guess.
Speaker 1: And so here's the thing, like specifically, what the like
Speaker 1: if you go to Monrositute. Is it a dot org?
Speaker 1: I guess that's Monroe I don't know the Monrositute dot
Speaker 1: org and you go click on the about page and
Speaker 1: it says, like I think it says about right, our
Speaker 1: mission and purpose to advance the global awakening of human consciousness.
Speaker 1: So the belief, actually we could maybe talk about M
Speaker 1: five thousand. When Robert Monroe's alive, he believed that if
Speaker 1: he could just put five thousand people through that it
Speaker 1: would change the world. That it would like impact the
Speaker 1: consciousness of the whole world. And as we know, that
Speaker 1: five thousand number filled up very quickly, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a bigger number. You know, so they've arrived
Speaker 1: at one percent. But you know, what we've been talking
Speaker 1: about kind of like goes along with that, like what
Speaker 1: would happen if the whole world was to get on
Speaker 1: same page. That's actual Monroe's mission is to try to
Speaker 1: literally shift the entire collective consciousness by seeking that one
Speaker 1: percent number of the total population, hoping that, you know,
Speaker 1: putting so many people through the Gateway and altering their
Speaker 1: understanding about reality and things that it could have like
Speaker 1: a tidal wave effect on all of consciousness.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I tend to think that it absolutely.
Speaker 1: I would personally very aligned with that mission. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I told you this, both of you.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 1: I keep pointing off cameras because Emily, you guys will
Speaker 1: see Emily next week. But yeah, so I told you
Speaker 1: guys this at Gateway. But like my dad and I
Speaker 1: have been kind of on a similar mission to get
Speaker 1: people to like see the lights, you know, the things
Speaker 1: that we see. And I've always had it in my head.
Speaker 1: It has to be fifty one percent. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I'm like, if we could get fifty one percent of
Speaker 1: the world to see this, then it would be a change.
Speaker 1: And then I went to Monroe and I heard one percent,
Speaker 1: and I was like, honestly, I like that better.
Speaker 4: Modest number.
Speaker 1: It's a little less pressures, not four big, yeah versus eighty.
Speaker 1: You know, it's ambitious, but you.
Speaker 3: Know, usually a critical mass doesn't need to be that
Speaker 3: big universe a tipping point at some stages like that experiment,
Speaker 3: a hundred monkey experiment, like you probably all know about it.
Speaker 3: You know, like some monkeys started using some rocks to
Speaker 3: crack nuts or something, and once a number of monkeys
Speaker 3: learned how to do that, then all monkeys in isolated
Speaker 3: areas which had no contact with those monkeys started doing
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 4: It's a morphogenetic resonance. Yeah, is that what it's called?
Speaker 3: Aproper shelled rakes right right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: So I guess we could do the same thing, right
Speaker 3: if enough of us put this thing out there, then
Speaker 3: eventually it would be like like a tipping point where
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Yeah, first gradually and then you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the snowball causes the avalanche. You just need a
Speaker 4: little snowball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we get there in this lifetime of ours.
Speaker 4: I feel a surge. Yeah, I feel a big there's
Speaker 4: a big pull to this conversation in the world, I feel,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And over the years, I've seen this change because you
Speaker 3: always had people interested in this kind of thing, but
Speaker 3: before it was like very fringe, very out there. I know,
Speaker 3: it's a lot more normalized.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: You hear people talking about channeling, you hear people talking
Speaker 3: about the UFOs like it's a more normal thing, and
Speaker 3: it actually is. So I think we get in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The thing is, it always seems slow to us, again
Speaker 3: because we see things from the perspective of this lifetime.
Speaker 3: But if you think of it, don't know why the
Speaker 3: respect frum probably three four, five generations on the road.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's completely normalized and we will be dead, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, but maybe maybe it's what it takes. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's an admirable goal. I think it's important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I definitely feel a surge too. I
Speaker 1: feel a change. I didn't talk much to you about this,
Speaker 1: and we've recorded a whole other episode about this, but
Speaker 1: just two weekends ago, we were on the beach with
Speaker 1: two hundred people. We had a little mass sighting going on,
Speaker 1: and we saw like basically one hundred and fifty orbs
Speaker 1: with two hundred people, and we saw orbs appear, and
Speaker 1: we all saw it from different perspectives because we were
Speaker 1: all looking at different times. Like I was looking first,
Speaker 1: I got everybody's attention on it, and then Alex, Alex
Speaker 1: and Nick and the rest of the crowd saw it
Speaker 1: from different angles, so it looked a little different to everybody.
Speaker 1: But there were these glowing golden beings that just appeared
Speaker 1: and they had wings and they were flapping their wings,
Speaker 1: and everybody was freaking out. And I'm telling you guys
Speaker 1: that for days, because you know, we have a discord
Speaker 1: community on our Patreon with like six hundred people in there,
Speaker 1: and for days, people were sending me reports, not just me,
Speaker 1: but the whole community, right, and they're explaining like how
Speaker 1: they were, how they're like people were, you know, your
Speaker 1: typical on the end of the Gateway experience. Last day,
Speaker 1: You're talking about grounding and all of these things that
Speaker 1: are happening to people. That was happening to these people.
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a genuine expansion of consciousness,
Speaker 1: and I just kept thinking, like, wow, that's exactly what
Speaker 1: it was like being at Monroe, And I feel like
Speaker 1: this kind of expansion of consciousness is rapidly spreading. I
Speaker 1: think that we are now at a point where I
Speaker 1: think we're kind of past the belief point, and I
Speaker 1: think now we're at the point where people are just
Speaker 1: ready to have the experience, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Now it's like it's time to open the door, come in, like,
Speaker 1: get the people in. Like I really do feel like
Speaker 1: the tide has shifted and it's time now to.
Speaker 3: Really I think you're making a really good point. I'm
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, people need to have the experience,
Speaker 3: because what is the point of trying to make people
Speaker 3: believe this or that, telling oh, you know, this is real,
Speaker 3: please just believe me, Yeah, believe me, bro. Well, how
Speaker 3: well we just give them the tools so they can,
Speaker 3: you know, find out that it is actually real.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, find out for themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: So that brings me to another point. I just, you know,
Speaker 1: for giggles, I feel like there could be a possibility
Speaker 1: of people out there being really curious about grounding techniques
Speaker 1: after an expansion of consciousness. So if you wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: elaborating on that, that could be helpful to a lot
Speaker 1: of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what happens sometimes if you spend maybe too long
Speaker 3: on meditation. I've had people in it with saying, well,
Speaker 3: I meditate like four times a day or five times
Speaker 3: a day, and then I listen to these sounds and
Speaker 3: then I do this and do that, and you seem
Speaker 3: like totally like not here obviously, but I'm doing that
Speaker 3: kind of thing. It's fine, But you also need to
Speaker 3: be functional here in your physical body in this pretty reality.
Speaker 3: So it's generally very simple things that you can do
Speaker 3: to bring yourself back into your body. Move your body actually,
Speaker 3: like do physical exercise, go run, go out there, touch
Speaker 3: some grass. How do you treat things like that? Swim swim,
Speaker 3: especially if you have access to a large body of water,
Speaker 3: like the ocean next to here or a lake. Goes
Speaker 3: swimming on a lake, maybe heavier foods unusual. Also, splashing
Speaker 3: some water on your face if you come back from
Speaker 3: a meditation and you're like all spaced out or whatever,
Speaker 3: maybe splash some cold water on your face, on the
Speaker 3: back of your neck, on your wrists. Sex is grounding too.
Speaker 1: Good to know. I'm just thinking what they're thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 4: And it's also physical activity. You get your body moving, Yeah,
Speaker 4: a lot of sensations, a lot of bodies.
Speaker 3: It really brings you in your body.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I fully imagine. So I'm somebody who kind
Speaker 4: of I've talked about this a few times, but I
Speaker 4: kind of always feel a little bit ungrounded. Uh And
Speaker 4: here in the last like months or two, I'm like
Speaker 4: getting really into back into exercise, and I feel so
Speaker 4: much more grounded than I have felt in years years,
Speaker 4: And I'm like appreciative of this feeling of I'm just
Speaker 4: always I feel like I'm always just spaced out and
Speaker 4: I don't really feel like I'm here, and not even
Speaker 4: like actively doing anything that would facilitate that state. It's
Speaker 4: just kind of my natural way of being, and it's
Speaker 4: not always comfortable, you know, it doesn't always feel very comfortable.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've been trying things lately to ground, like
Speaker 4: grounding outside, touching grass.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Another thing that works well is doing something with
Speaker 3: your hands, if you like working with with or you
Speaker 3: like working with clay or kniting or mechanics or whatever.
Speaker 3: Tearing up an engine and putting it back. That kind
Speaker 3: of thing gets you very very focused here in the
Speaker 3: here and now and on the physical aspect of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also if you play an instrument, yeah, playing a guitar,
Speaker 3: playing piano, whatever, it gets you very very focused here.
Speaker 3: And it's also a great means of expression for things
Speaker 3: that are kind of obstruct maybe you kind of put
Speaker 3: into wards. If you come back from a meditation and
Speaker 3: you're like, I have this knowledge, but I can't even
Speaker 3: put it into wards, Well how about you just play
Speaker 3: it or sing it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I love to play music that's very grounding for me.
Speaker 4: Cooking it's something with my hands that's very grounding for me,
Speaker 4: and they do both also feel very expressive. I kind
Speaker 4: of feel my emotions flow out of me much better
Speaker 4: than I could do with words, you know.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, I noticed a big difference in playing music
Speaker 1: after Gayway, Like how I am able to focus on
Speaker 1: it and think about it is different than before the Gateway. Like,
Speaker 1: I can't explain it, but I did notice a big change.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've got a question.
Speaker 6: So Nick and I are about to go through our
Speaker 6: creation station in about two months, shout out Ignaussio, So
Speaker 6: what would you tell me a next. So we've never
Speaker 6: done anything Monroe Institute. So I guess advice for us
Speaker 6: going into our first.
Speaker 3: My advice for you would be and be open minded
Speaker 3: and be very curious. That's all you need to take
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the biggest I'm I'm I'm very curious. I'm
Speaker 4: so that's what's pulling me is just the pure curiosity.
Speaker 4: And earlier when you were talking about people who want
Speaker 4: to go out of body and the why, for me,
Speaker 4: the why is just a strong curiosity nothing else. I
Speaker 4: think that's reasonable.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is a good thing. Yeah, it feels exciting. It's
Speaker 4: very curious.
Speaker 3: And that's a very good question because a lot of
Speaker 3: people ask do I need to do anything in preparation
Speaker 3: for Gateway or this or that, and it's like, no,
Speaker 3: just you know, put your expectations in a box. If
Speaker 3: you can just be curious and open minded, be open
Speaker 3: to be surprised, I would say, yeah, yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, gosh, it's it's such an honor
Speaker 1: and a privilege that you came all the way out
Speaker 1: here to be on our show.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you for the invitation.
Speaker 1: I mean it just it just kind of happened organically,
Speaker 1: and and I think it's it's just like so amazing
Speaker 1: that we you know, developed a friendship out of this,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's not over here.
Speaker 3: You know that, I know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, so just thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And this is really special to me that you guys
Speaker 1: would come here and do.
Speaker 3: This very thank you for having.
Speaker 4: Of course, it's our pleasure and honor. Yeah, certainly and privilege.
Speaker 1: Is there anything left on your heart that you got
Speaker 1: to get offered? Do you feel like you're pretty content?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty content?
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a exit ritual, although it's not that serious,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, I got to explain it,
Speaker 1: but we yeah, we like to say bye guys at
Speaker 1: the same time. It's just something we started doing like
Speaker 1: hundreds of episodes ago. And I don't know where it
Speaker 1: came from.
Speaker 4: I don't either. We said it in the first episode
Speaker 4: and we just never stand.
Speaker 1: But now we're locked in. No. I think it was
Speaker 1: like the second or third episode. You just said it
Speaker 1: and you cut it short. But anyway, you ready? Yeah,
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