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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sickos. I am Dana Valley coming

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at you with my certified fantabulous lumberjack of a co host,

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mister Grant Hughes, and you'll get tireference if you're watching

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on YouTube. We are here to check in and provide grades,

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of course, because why wouldn't we on some of the biggest,

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most interesting new additions from over the off season around

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these NBA teams just to see how they're doing. So

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we'll give grades relative to we're doing it from the

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team perspective. And yeah, I'm sure that's not controversial at all.

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Everyone's going to one hundred percent agree with everything we

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say as per usual, so it's very exciting. But first

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and foremost, mister Hughes, how the heck are you? I'm

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doing well.

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Speaker 2: I wish I wish I had like I don't know

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what lumberjacks say, or like what's a good like? I

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don't know if I had like an axe handle or something.

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Speaker 1: That would you wouldn't even need to say anything if

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you're just holding the acts.

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Speaker 3: I have a flannel shirt on if you're just listening.

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Speaker 2: Uh, And I had the thought when I put it

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on this morning of like, this is kind of a

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lumber jack vibe, and it's the very first thing you

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said popped up on the video.

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Speaker 3: So confirmed.

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Speaker 2: Also, our group think continues to be alarming. Uh so,

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but I do we do have some differences of opinion

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on these.

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Speaker 3: Grades we're going to talk about. So that's positive.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing I actual spectacular. I'm upset that

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I'm not wearing a flannel shirt now, so we could

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at least match and be Lumberjacks, or at least having

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like don't they wear that what you call those beanies.

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Speaker 3: Beards would probably be good. Suspenders would really add to

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the look.

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Speaker 1: I think if I could grow a beard that would

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have like a long beard. Yeah, could you hudle that

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out if you wanted to, Like, could you get the

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long lumberjack beard if you really let it go.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that would be good for anybody. Dan,

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I don't know, maybe I disagree.

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Speaker 1: Look, if the Warriors win the championship this year, I

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feel like you should have to grow out a lumberjack

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beard over the offseason.

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Speaker 3: That's a deal.

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Speaker 1: I'm bookmarket receive it favorite perfect, I'll do it. I'm

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not rooting for the Warriors to win the NBA title.

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So so there we go. Welcome aboard real quickly, how

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did you you? You went more in depth on this

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exercise initially than I did. That you were the one

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that pitched like this concept. How tough was this for you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, one, it's tough because we're so early,

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and so I think that's one thing to kind of

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flag at this before we get going, is like, this

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is just how things have gone so far, and a

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couple guys, I'll just we'll just we won't get to

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him just yet. But like you know, Tobias Harris, I

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had a really bad grade for it's still bad, but

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then he goes six of nine from three in the

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most recent game before recording this, and the numbers suddenly

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look like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's not so horrible.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's like anything we're doing at this point

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in the season, where like a good game and certainly

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like a hot week is just like it completely changes

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what you might think. So that's one thing I basically

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I kind of went with, like, if you acquired this player,

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what should your reasonable expectations have been for what he

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would do for you and for your team? And then

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how close has the actual has reality lined up with

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like what you expected. So that makes it a little

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fuzzy because it's because otherwise it'd be like, Okay, this

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guy's fifty forty ninety average and twenty points like a

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you know, but if that's gonna be an a if

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anybody were doing that. But it's kind of a little

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bit case by case ish because for me, it's about

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expectations in reality and how close they are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, and then I try to consider, like, well,

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what would be if I'm I did it? More so

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if I'm down. I tried to figure, okay, well what

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is the argument that I'm too low on this guy?

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And then I tried to dig into that to see if, like, okay,

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do it, and that bumped a couple grades up for

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me when I kind of thought, macro, that's what's so

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tough about doing this, like fifteen games or whatever it

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is in But it's fun and let's let's get to

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some grading. Here to it. We begin with the leader

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and minutes played for New Editions de Jonte Murray, the

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New Orleans Pelicans. No, this is just we could throw

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it up there. This is for me, it's a TBD,

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and I know you went the same route. Do you

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think you could make the case that it should be

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worse than that given where the Pelicans are are.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like, what do you do with

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the guy? How how early it was at the end

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of the first game he played?

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Speaker 1: Right, it was?

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like immediate, but uh.

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Speaker 1: Six different eras since then. So I honestly don't remember.

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Speaker 2: This was back in the Dejonte Murray era. You may

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or may not remember it. It was mostly October. Yeah,

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so he just hasn't played.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just has to be a TVD, Like I

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don't even know what letter grade I would consider that.

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Speaker 1: I think if you were high and we'll get to

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Dyson Daniels at some point, if you were just high

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and what Dyson Daniels was doing, but he was never

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going to have the same spacing aur agency in New Orleans.

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I still like the Murray edition overall, so I went

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TVD as well. I would just be interested. If some

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people are like, oh, that was a mistake. Why did

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you give the first round picks when it was like

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you're gonna have to blow it up? I'm just I

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tend to be higher on de Jontay Murray as a

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player though than I think most, which I.

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Speaker 2: Think too, you could just say, like whatever you graded

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the trade from the Pelican side, it might just be

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your grade here, if you know, because it's not like

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Murray has done anything to move you up or down

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from that prior except and this isn't fair, but like Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Has been good for for the Hawks. So it's like, oh,

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and the.

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Speaker 1: Contact sign people that day and then start them.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's move on. That was easy.

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Speaker 1: Another really easy one, Isa Hartensteign. I know he's played,

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and it was really kind of fun watching him play.

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I went TVD, I will say Grant and we both

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went TVD. I will say, I think given the check

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Holmegrin injury, you could actually great this. Unless you gave

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it an A plus to begin with, you could argue

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that the signing was even smarter.

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Speaker 2: Right, I think so, I mean we could just give

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him an A because the one game he's played so

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far as we're recording, this was like exactly what you

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got fourteen. Yeah, it just was exactly what the thunder needed. Yeah,

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that's a good point. It's TBD like this is probably

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gonna be an A though it seems like at some

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point we just can't get there yet.

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Speaker 1: Off one game, would you like your care to guess

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who's next?

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Speaker 3: Did you do Paul George next?

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Speaker 1: I did not suck it by this is. Look, I'm

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very this is he's been more divisive than I thought

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like given how he's played, he's been more divisive when

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you're considering the discourse around the Mavericks, would have been

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your thoughts early impressions on how he's been there.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's what he's done has like aligned

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fairly closely to what I think the expectation should have

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been as far as like his role, Like it seemed

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like there was no chance, or it seemed like there

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was a strong chance he would just have a diminished role,

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more of a specialist role, which in my opinion, his

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last year with the Warriors suggested, should be where he's

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at at this point. Like you just he can't be

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a featured player. He needs to be a spacer and

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like a dangerous valuable piece, right. Like the theory of

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him on the mass makes a lot of sense. He

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just hasn't shot it as well as you'd need him to.

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It's not like defenses are ignoring him. It's gonna take

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like five years of him missing every three for like

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how defenses treat him as a spacer to change. But

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you know, he's his three point percentage is the lowest

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it's ever been, thirty seven percent, which is still good,

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but for him, that's not what you're expecting. He's lowest

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points per game since his rookie season. Sorry, the three

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point percentage, No, yeah, yeah, that's the lowest ever is rookie.

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a rookie. Assist rates down, usage right down, all kind

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of expected as his role would diminish. The positive note

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before we give the grade here, I'll turn over to

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you too. Though the MAVs offense is better when he plays.

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It's about seven points per hundred better, So like you

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could argue that he's still having a positive impact there,

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and he tends to be a slow starter. October and

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November are always his worst months, like just from a

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three point percentage standpoint, and like he's got many, many,

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many seasons where after the All Star break he's like

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forty seven, forty five percent from three or just some

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ridiculous number. So there is still upside here. It's just

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harder for me to be confident about it, given his age,

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given the general.

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Speaker 3: Trend line of his career.

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Speaker 2: So I haven't given my grade. Do you have anything

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, I think he's been great for them. I

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just the volume that he's gonna shoot it at, Like

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if okay, thirty seven percent the lowest of his career,

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and you'd like to see that come up a little bit,

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maybe some of the pull ups will start to fall.

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Like he's shooting I think under ten percent on pull

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up three pointers. That's a he's taking almost too a

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game that's pretty low grant.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have it anymore there.

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Speaker 1: That's just my opinion, which is but like, I do

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think that the way he's being used is he's not

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hijacking possessions for the Dallas Mavericks, and so I look

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at the minutes and the stuff that he opens up

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for Luka Doncics, and they've kind of decided when Doncics

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think he's been fantastic, and that the bigger issue is

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I don't know that they've done enough to properly insulate

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him defensively. I know they've dealt with some injuries to PJ.

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Washington and Derek Lively. Playing Klay Thompson next to Daniel

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Gafford less would just be my advice, and like Derek

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Lively's better anyway, I don't like that he should have

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been the starter coming into this season for Dallas, So

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I don't know if Dallas is properly utilizing him less.

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I do think it's worth a discussion to be like, well,

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is he the person were in the playoffs? Like do

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the Dallas marriage still need a fifth best player upgrade?

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Where do you feel comfortable with closing with Klay Thompson

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or Grimes or Marshall or would you prefer any of

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those options to be I don't know if you're going

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to get better defensively than a Grimes or a Marshal there,

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but like someone who is going to handle the ball

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a little bit more if you need them to, because

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you're not going to trust presumably a healthy PJ. Washington

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to do that. But I went a little bit more.

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Unless you have anything to add before we reveal our

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great a little bit more generous than you, I went

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with a B.

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Speaker 2: You wus, Yeah, the C minus is just like if

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you he has been a little worse I think than

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so a see, by the way, for me would be like,

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that's exactly what you expected.

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Speaker 3: That's average.

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Speaker 1: So we should have said that at the Yeah, well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I should have dumped that in there.

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Speaker 2: So so he's a little worse than I think the

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Mavericks probably had hoped just because of you know, slightly

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Speaker 3: You know, it just hasn't been the.

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh god, he's gonna get You would have

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assumed an efficiency increase, right because like spoon fed from

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Luca on those like cross courts, get passes, he's gonna

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shoot fifty percent on catch and shoot threes, Like just

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not quite what you were probably hoping for from him.

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Speaker 3: Again, he's gonna hear later.

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Speaker 1: Let let's just's qualify with that. Next up, this one's

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gonna be tough. McHale Bridges, he who is worth ninety

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two first round picks allegedly, What are your thoughts about Well,

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we should have been rotating, but I'm gonna hijack this

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and throw to you anyway. What have been your thoughts

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about the mcal Bridges experience in New York.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is another one where I hate to

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reduce it to this, but this is a key thing.

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Like the ball's just not going in the three point.

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The stuff about the mechanics, just from the eye test,

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you know the games I've watched. The shot form does

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not look comfortable, does not look smooth. He's shooting, I think,

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as I put this together, I don't think this is

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two stale thirty just under thirty two percent from deep.

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You know, he's playing a ton that's a positive. He

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took over the league lead from Kevin Duran. He's up

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over thirty eight minutes a game, so he's he's out there,

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he's I think, like the most concerning thing to me

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is he's shooting under one free throw a game, and

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I just like don't know how that happens in the

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minutes that he's playing.

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Speaker 3: I feel like he should be able to just back into.

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Speaker 2: A few and and like I just I'll crib this

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from some knick stuff that I've read, Like people aren't

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super jazzed about his defensive performance relative to what they

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should not be, So that's I.

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Speaker 3: Like, where is he helping. I'm in the way.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's not a bad NBA player, but he's

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not anything close to what like you would have expected

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him to be. And that's independent of the cost to

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get him. I'm not really factoring in the cost, which

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which maybe should be part of it, but it has

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to be.

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Speaker 1: Well from a tactive So you gave up X to

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get even if you weren't thinking an all NBA player,

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which normally the package the Knicks would given up would

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have been something for an all NBA player. I would

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argue the cost has to be part of the grade.

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Speaker 2: Then I'm curious why your grades higher than mine because

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I think about it.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with pretty much all of your concerns.

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The three point shooting from above the break, and that's

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where it seems like his form might be the weirdest

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to me, Uh, nine to forty four and above the

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break three is outside of garbage time, that's like twenty percent.

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Speaker 2: That's that's slry storry to cut you off, I I

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do you have you seen or heard anyone like trying

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to like fake news his his shooting form, saying like

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oh it's fine, or like it's not different.

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Speaker 3: Or or this is overblown because.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen that. I think the general

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consensus is that, and I'm glad that it was this

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because I do feel like sometimes I'm watching a different

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player every time it's taking a jumper, so it does

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feel like it's kind of shifting in real time. And

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I think from what I've seen, like the people who

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cover the Knicks or like root for the Knicks a lot,

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they seem to acknowledge that. But I would say, he's

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been and you just can't, you know, sustain like he's been.

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I'll phrase it this way. Steph Curry is the mcale

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Bridges of three point because McHale Bridges is just killing

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it from mid range. Now he's at one hundred percent.

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I think that's helped. I do think there's been some

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like his movement away from the ball can be super valuable.

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I think what I'm most disappointed in, I mean in

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three point shooting. I just I assume will like regress

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to his mean of much better than this. The defense

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concerns me more than anything because when you've had matchups

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where you want you're inclined to like move Ojannoby to

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the point of attack at times like that's okay, oj

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Anob can do that, but you can't afford to have

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Ojannobe do that most of your lineups. That's supposed to

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be what Michael Bridges is doing best. He has not

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done that. Like it's kind of I chucked some of

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his regression in Brooklyn up to Well, he's just shouldering

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a massive offensive load. Sure, that's not like he's not

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shouldering the same kind of offensive load alongside Kat and

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Jalen Brunson that he was there. I mean, og An

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Andobi's averaging more drives per game in fewer minutes than him.

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Right now, again, mckel bridge is finishing well on his drives.

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I do wonder how much of sort of the you know,

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you're talking about the low free throw attempt rates, Like

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he's only fouled on two and a half percent of

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his drives. I think he's more inclined to bail out now.

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It feels like on some of those I'm concerned. I

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just and relative to the cost to the cost, maybe

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I should be lower on this, But I think I look,

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and I've seen enough bright moments, and he does open

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things up for them offensively within their structure. And again,

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like he's providing the value from like he's kind of

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offsetting right now what he's done from three by just

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being ungodly efficient from from mid range.

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Speaker 3: That that is.

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Speaker 2: The only time that he looks really good and comfortable

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to me, Like especially like the baseline two point pull

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ups that you know those like, oh there he is,

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there's mckel bridges.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a that's an okay shot when you're

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a player who's allowed to dribble, so like you're not

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like running in there and trying to catch and shoot

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these mid rangers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not Rip Hamilton.

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Speaker 1: When your offense is that open, like someone can like

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Josh Hart isn't going to take those shots, Like Josh

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Hart's gonna go all the way to the rim. Even

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Karl Anthony Town's like that's someone who's gonna go all

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the way to the rim. Oh he had an Obi Tuo.

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So to have someone aside from Brunton who will take

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the pull up too, I'm fine with now. IM fine

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with the three point percentage. No, And I thin think

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as of right now, which is interesting when you get

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into the Knicks, is people already talking about trades and

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I've felt like, well, they need to get someone that

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can maybe give them more defensive juice, but what does

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that actually do for them? And that's the problem with

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Michael Bridges is because you're not like you're not benching

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McHale Bridges if you acquire just name a player. Like

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so if the Knicks do acquire defensive depth, it's more

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of a yes, they'll play maybe in the post and

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in the postseason as well, but it's you really need

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mckal bridges to figure it out because you're closing a

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unit I don't think is gonna change, Like could you

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see them going with Mitchell Robinson over Josh Hart And

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then how's that even that's not gonna help your point

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with that defense?

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, I feel like he would have Bridges would

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have to be way, way worse than this for a

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very long time before you think about, Okay, this just

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didn't work because of the investment that this is where

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this isn't necessarily part of the grade, but like you

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give up that much.

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Speaker 3: It's it's like.

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Speaker 2: An extreme version of the two de Jonte Murray trades

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ago where the Hawks are like, well, if we did

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move him, like what percentage of the original.

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Speaker 3: Could we get back?

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Speaker 2: You know, and you're like, you're never getting anything close

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to what it costs. I know you're not talking about

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trading him specifically, but it is just to say, this

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is a situation where you just got to wait and

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hope that he plays better, which could totally happen were

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a month end of the season. So my grade is

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really just a reflection of and by the way, it's

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a D plus you got to c minus of just

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like he hasn't shot it well and he hasn't defended

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in those are the two things that you wanted from him,

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and like that probably will change, but at the moment,

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he's been not anything close to what you hoped for.

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Speaker 1: We have another Nick to grade here, Karnonthy towns uh

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I so I go. So when you look at the

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value the Nicks gave up.

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Speaker 3: Parnel grades one for each side of the floor.

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Speaker 1: But here's my issue. You knew what you were getting

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defensively when you require Corinthy Town. So I don't know

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how much to penalize. Opponents are shooting like eighty percent

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against him at the rim, Like remember they started I

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think they started twelve of twelve.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was enough.

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Speaker 1: That goes into that but it was one hundred percent

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at one point in the year. But like, what was

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our concern grant that if you spent put Karl Anthony

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Towns in drop coverage a lot of the time, that

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it wasn't gonna hold up that well. And what has

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happened when he's been in drop coverage a lot of

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the time, it has not panned out that well. I

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don't like, do you how do you grade that? Because offensively,

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and this is the other thing, I do think he's

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probably been the Brunton's come up, so like he's been

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no worse than because og has been their best all

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round player this year, if any just in case anyone

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was wondering or didn't know, and then I think Brunton,

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you still just have to like the defensive attention they

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throw at him. But like, Towns has been marketedly better

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than Bridges and has done exactly what you would need

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him to do on the offensive end for the most

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But the three point volume has come up since like

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the early portion of the season, and I know that

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there are still kind of performances where he Wax and Waynes.

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That's the Karl Anthony Towns experience. We have like a

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decade or whatever. It is a proof that that's what's

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gonna happen. He has been great for them, and the

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passing too, like we've seen it from him in Minnesota

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and it will continue to see it in New York

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where it's well, if he could just do this all

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the time, he is really he is the skeleton key

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for their offense and that's what they acquired him to be.

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And by the way, yes, you gave up like two

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top six rotation players to get him, So I do

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think to have value matters. But I the theory and

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the other thing that I considered while doing this before

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throwing it to you, the theory of Karl Anthony Towns.

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I think it's played out like pretty much like ninety

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percent of it at least has played out on the

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offensive and to say that fewer than twenty games into

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the season good and then defensively, I asked myself, would

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the Knicks be a lot better with Julius Randall and

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Dante DiVincenzo instead Karl Anthony Towns in this rotation when

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you also consider Kat's rebounding But like Mitchell Robinson's not

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available right.

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Speaker 2: Now, No, I think for me, like he's been better

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offensively than you probably would have hoped. Right, Like, he's

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making half his threes, Like that's just a lot. That's

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pretty good. I mean he could do better. He could

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make the other half, I guess, like that would be impressive,

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and then he would be convert at the same rate

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opponents do when he's defending them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but those only worth two points. This would be

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worth threat.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're ahead at one point.

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Speaker 2: Every possession you're dominating, you're like plus one hundred net,

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right if you get a hundred, don't check that math.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Like, and it's not just the three.

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Speaker 2: And he's driving more often, drawing, shooting fouls more often

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than last year on drive, So it's like and those

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two aspects, Like, I think we both agree he could

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definitely be featured more as as a three point shooter

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like we had. The attempt rate's gone up. It needs

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to go higher, I think, and that's totally doable. I

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also think the Knicks could get some mileage out of

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just like every time you generate a switch with the

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Jalen Brunson pick and roll or however else, just dump

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it into him. Like I think his post touches should

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probably climb too. You could get some Porzingis on the

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Celtics type stuff last year where maybe your possession is

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not going anywhere, and immediately if you have him guarded

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by a small like, suddenly this is a high value

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possession because he's either he could just you know, turn

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and shoot, he can score, he's a decent pass like,

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there's a lot of ways to go, So there's upside.

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I think now he's if he shoots forty percent from three,

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oh no, you know, like if he regresses to the mean, like,

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he's still super valuable. I just think there's more here

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to sort of mine for the Knicks.

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Speaker 3: On offense.

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00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,279
Speaker 2: This is you can throw him up if you want. Like,

475
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,279
this is an A minus for me, and that's factoring

476
00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:18,720
in the shitty rim defense because like you said, Towns

477
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,960
has given you what you expected and and for me,

478
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,799
it's it's more than that because of the just insane

479
00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:28,079
three point accuracy and his value offensively to this team.

480
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,519
I've got him as an A minus, you've got him

481
00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:32,599
as a B plus. Like he's been he's been awesome.

482
00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:34,799
Speaker 1: I think he's been worse offensively than even I don't

483
00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:35,880
know how much of that to the new team. So

484
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,759
I did only go b Plus the other thing I'm

485
00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:39,799
wondering if this isn't a Karl Anthony Towns thing. I

486
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,720
actually part of it, I do feel like is even

487
00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,279
when he's not, like when you're working from the outside

488
00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:46,319
in that you could also attack a mismatch that way,

489
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,039
which I think he can do a better job of,

490
00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:51,400
like busting out his arsenal. I've wondered about the post up.

491
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,240
So they're generating between points and free throws like point

492
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,039
seven fewer than point seventy five points per Connley Town's

493
00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:00,359
post up, and I'm wondering how much of that has

494
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,319
to do with when he's on the court. Generally they

495
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,440
have one close to non shooter. And then if you're

496
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,079
gonna throw the way that mchaal Bridges has been a

497
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,799
shooting from above the break this season, how much value

498
00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:13,319
you might be able to squeeze out of that if

499
00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:16,359
teams don't care about leaving Josh Hard or leaving McHale

500
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,400
Bridges at this point. So I've thought about but like

501
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,000
that is something they could explore. I think I don't

502
00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:23,839
look at that. I don't look at that tray that

503
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,000
Crrently Town specifically as a mistake and I also, I

504
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,160
think my grade might even not be I think your

505
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,119
grade is if we had I know there B plus

506
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,039
a minus, they're close. You might be closer to the

507
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,440
right mindset with it overall than even I. And like,

508
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,519
maybe my opinion of him defensively changed too much last

509
00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:42,799
year because he had Rudy Gobert and they could play

510
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,160
him in more aggressive spots.

511
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,599
Speaker 2: I think for me too, like it's likely that the

512
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,400
defensive numbers will get better just because especially the rim

513
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,039
stuff is so bad, and then that's gonna offset when

514
00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:54,680
he's not shooting fifty plus percent from three, Like that'll

515
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,920
come down the defensive and it just settles in right around.

516
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,559
Speaker 3: You know, B plus a minus For me.

517
00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: I am so curious how much they play him and

518
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,880
Mitchell Robinson together if and when Robinson gets healthy, or

519
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,559
if they even when precious Atchuwa comes back. I assume

520
00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:10,599
they'll play him a ton. And if neither of those

521
00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:12,799
guys are coming back, do they trade for a big

522
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:14,359
and like it's just the theory if it's a better

523
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,359
rim protector, Like let's just say they go get Robert

524
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000
Williams like they could with Robinson set maybe there's other

525
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,160
moving parts in there, like would that be someone they

526
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,720
would play next to him? Or is this very much

527
00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:25,359
like No, we just want like kind of another five

528
00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:28,000
so that we have a better way to stacker minutes,

529
00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:30,960
because I think what helps with Mitchell Robinson or insert

530
00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:34,119
up like defensive oriented big here that's not a Jericho

531
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,920
Sims or an Ariel huck Porty is just like, well,

532
00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:39,519
we'll be great defensively during our bench units. And the

533
00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:41,000
theory then is we're just gonna when we have our

534
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,599
core guys on the court, hopefully we're good enough offensively,

535
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,720
but we're gonna have just like an offensive rating that's

536
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,279
through the roof.

537
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: I think it could really work well.

538
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: I really hope they do try the dual big lineups

539
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,960
a lot, because you can imagine the benefits on both ends,

540
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,319
Like suddenly Mitchell Robinson's back out there, and all those

541
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,200
offensive rebounds turn into threes and now you have cats.

542
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: The cows as one of the guys open to shoot threes.

543
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,759
Speaker 2: And then on defense, like you know, say what you

544
00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,480
want about Towns and even Robinson. H certainly Robinson's a

545
00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:11,720
better interior defender than Towns is, but like just tons

546
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,960
and tons of length is like a really good proxy

547
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,240
for good defense. Just like imagine if OG is your

548
00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:19,720
three and and like you've got two legit bigs out there,

549
00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:22,759
like you're ending every possession after one shot first of all,

550
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:24,839
and and and you're just gonna be able to be

551
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,839
more disruptive, and guys are not gonna want to come

552
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:28,839
in the lane just because there's arms everywhere. I do

553
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,720
think there's if they don't try to. I mean, TIB's

554
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,119
will do it, But if they don't try the double bigs, like,

555
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,279
I'll be pretty disappointed.

556
00:23:35,319 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just curious how often they'll go to it.

557
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,759
I will say, if you're doing double bigs, that might

558
00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:41,759
eradicate a lot of the value you're getting from chale

559
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,880
Bridges right now from that mid range area, just with

560
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,640
Mitchell Robinson on the court, even if it's not Carl,

561
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,200
even if it's not dual bigs like that could be

562
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,400
an issue for Mitch mcale bridges at this I.

563
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,759
Speaker 2: Would say it's a problem if you're worried about a

564
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:55,640
certain line of constructions costing you pull up mid range twos.

565
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's buttering his bread right now. He's

566
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,160
also finishing at the rim well too. But I feel

567
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,440
like we're gonna get into some controversial thoughts on this

568
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,759
next one. Grant Julius Randall slash Dante DiVincenzo. This is

569
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,400
the this is the first joint one when the transactions

570
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,519
were linked, or if it was just like, oh, these

571
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:13,440
players are when we get to the Warriors, it's we're

572
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,640
not just gonna grade buddy healed. We're gonna grade some

573
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,839
of these in some as much as you people want

574
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,960
individual Malie Beasley grades, we apologize like we'll live together

575
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,599
with Tobias Harris. So who I keep you wanna you

576
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,240
want to handle the walking us through this one? I

577
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:29,160
keep utalizing this.

578
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: I apologize, no, no, I think this is a tricky one,

579
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:34,519
partly because we're doing two different players here. So the

580
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,160
Randall breakdown is like, I think he's probably given you

581
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,519
what you wanted or you thought you were gonna get offensively,

582
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,799
as I as I put this together, twenty one six

583
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,359
points per game, getting you almost seven boards, four assists,

584
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,720
shooting splits are fine, fifty thirty eight eighty two. So

585
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:54,720
like that, you know, all of the same Randall stuff applies,

586
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:58,240
where like sometimes the ball sticks, you know he's got

587
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,160
a game winner for them.

588
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,799
Speaker 3: So if we're like he actually has you know, gotten

589
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:02,400
them a win.

590
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: Defensively, he's been bad and and all of the same

591
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,319
Randall stuff is applicable there where it's just like becomes

592
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,319
a statue for a second, is just not attentive enough,

593
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,839
not just not impactful defensively and just wildly like inconsistent

594
00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:19,319
in terms of like effort and engagement and stuff like that.

595
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:22,200
That's all just Julius Randall, right, Like that's that's what

596
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,400
you what you get. And then for Devincenzo, like obvious,

597
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,599
you know, last year was such a breakthrough as a

598
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:32,119
three point shooter, He's has not been that guy. He's

599
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,400
done better as a playmaker, I think by necessity because

600
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,200
Mike Conley has been so bad and they just haven't

601
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,960
got a lot of real playmaking options. So his assist

602
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,359
rates up, I mean, and he does tend to show

603
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,440
up in some of their best best lineups if you're

604
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,839
filtering out, like as long as it's over one hundred

605
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,640
possessions so far this season, so like you can make

606
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,960
the case that Devincenzo is still sometimes positively impactful despite.

607
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 3: The shooting being down.

608
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,839
Speaker 2: I don't know, just with how the Wolves have been

609
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:01,519
a disappointment overall, and neither of these guys has like

610
00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:05,599
really exceeded expectations. The Vincenzo certainly hasn't. To me, this

611
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,759
is I'll spoil it slightly, This has to be a.

612
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: Below average grade. I think.

613
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: I don't think they've given the Wolves what they hoped for,

614
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,880
unless you're really cynical and say it's well, their books

615
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,119
look a little better like that, but that's not a

616
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:18,720
factor for me.

617
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be a below average grade. And

618
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,640
then look, a big part of that is Dante DiVincenzo

619
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,119
has like been all over the place shooting and mostly down.

620
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,119
Like he's had more down shooting nights than up and

621
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,480
I assume that will normalize, so that would be a comfort.

622
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,960
But you kind of mentioned it like the joyous random experience.

623
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,279
I don't. I don't actually think he's been terrible for them.

624
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,839
The game that they lost again, who did they play?

625
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,160
That was watching on Thursday and I just watched them

626
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:42,759
blow that game.

627
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,559
Speaker 3: Toronto.

628
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:45,559
Speaker 1: Oh, Toronto, Toronto Raptors are fun.

629
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, have you seen the stat that the Wolves are

630
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:52,279
the only team that hasn't beaten uh? Toronto is like

631
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,319
since like two thousand and four or something like that.

632
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,759
Speaker 1: Hey, look, they deserve to win that game when you

633
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:58,799
have courts and uniforms like that too. By the way,

634
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,799
past that to you. By the way, we already did

635
00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:03,599
an extensive segment on them. You can go check it out.

636
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,400
It was pre Scotty Barnes returning Oursley, fun as hell

637
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:08,720
and the perfect kind of bad in so far as

638
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,519
they're still gonna be bad, like they might just be.

639
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,680
It's the East, baby, anything could happen, Barrett.

640
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,279
Speaker 3: Can we just do a whole pot on R J.

641
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: Barrett at some point we might have to and and

642
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,119
we can just work in Grady Dick jokes the entire time.

643
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,759
I'm skeating about Dick all the time. If anyone WANs

644
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,640
to go check us out on Blue Sky. So here's

645
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,599
my because they beat the Timberwolves the Wolves, and I

646
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,839
don't know that this is so much on Julius Randall.

647
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,279
By the way, I cannot like the root. I'm I

648
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:42,960
defended Rudy Gobert like pretty vicisciously ferociously. Let's go with

649
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,200
that word if I can't pronounce the other one, because

650
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,039
I thought like people were just like, what is it?

651
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,359
I can't stand this dude, anymore, like you're gonna pout

652
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960
because if you didn't get the ball, like you're seeing

653
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,279
a guy off down like no one wants that. I'm

654
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,559
good for you, Julius Randall. Then Julius Radad tries to

655
00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,720
pass it to him twice and he drops the ball

656
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:03,960
both times, Like come on, man, I do wonder like

657
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:05,839
how much of this is on the Wolves for just

658
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,759
deciding and like what Colonthi Towns gave you was that

659
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,799
offball gravity of okay, there's going to be space, but

660
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,440
by making this trade, it almost feels like one you

661
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:17,799
need an Anthey Edwards's three point volume to come up

662
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,680
because these integral even more so to just like Julius

663
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,920
Randall doesn't have the same offball gravity as Colnthi town

664
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,039
So if you want him to get going downhill, someone

665
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,440
needed to take more threes. But like they just I

666
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,720
guess over indexed on not having a backup point guard

667
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:35,279
because Rob Dillingham isn't ready Mike Conley. I guess they

668
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,279
assumed it wasn't gonna regress. And now you mentioned it

669
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,279
with Dante Devincenzo's passing, okay, great, like that's not what

670
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,799
he should be doing and The other issue is too

671
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,359
is the spacing can be cramped or they're just wild

672
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,519
with their passes in their handles. Only the Jazz have

673
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,160
a higher turnover rate on drives. Julius Randall, Dante Divincenzos

674
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,440
spoil Alert have been among the biggest like culprits there.

675
00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:00,319
Rudy Gobert has stone hands still, and I like, I

676
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:04,000
don't know I when I individually, I think that Dante

677
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:07,759
DiVincenzo has not met my expectations. But watching Julius Randall

678
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:09,920
in some of the moments he's had, like the fact

679
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,599
that he's shooting I think fifty five percent on twos

680
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,039
when Rudy Gobert is on the court, and so was

681
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:19,599
Anfony Edwards like that's good. So I feel like, like,

682
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,920
would this team be materially different if Towns was on

683
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,200
here instead of them? Or do you think some of

684
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,640
the backup playmaking stuff always would have come back to

685
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,480
snake bite them.

686
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:30,519
Speaker 3: It's really interesting.

687
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,319
Speaker 2: I as I was doing this, I was thinking like,

688
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,880
maybe we just were wrong about how valuable the benefits

689
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,440
of these two guys would be to the Wolves, because

690
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,599
it does make sense like just in theory that okay,

691
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,559
Devincenzo is gonna really juice that three point volume and

692
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,240
spread the floor, so you're getting a lot of the

693
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,000
cat stuff from him at a different position. It opens

694
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:54,119
the offense up. He can make plays, and Randall is

695
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,759
the secondary playmaker too. That matters because we can't trust

696
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:59,640
Calmly for you know, long stretches, and he's gonna regress

697
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,880
because of it, or decline because of age. And like

698
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,279
maybe we were just I'll say, I maybe I was

699
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:07,480
just like wrong in thinking that you're, oh, yeah, we're

700
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,000
definitely getting all this from these two guys, or maybe

701
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:11,640
it's just early. That's another factor.

702
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:13,319
Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

703
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: I think it's a combination of like de Vincenzo just

704
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,799
hasn't been what he was with the Knicks, and and

705
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,960
we're close to it, by the way, You're right, not close.

706
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,319
And the fit for Randall wasn't going to be as simple,

707
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,200
you know, as maybe I thought it was going to be.

708
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,559
Speaker 1: You can mention this though, I'm going to interrupt you

709
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,519
to compliminate you please. When we when this first happened,

710
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,119
it was you said, why not just bring Julius Randall

711
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,920
off the bench. And I do think that's the move now,

712
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,640
especially when you kind of look at how the backup

713
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240
play making ranks of unfolded, and also just how much

714
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,519
comm and Colmy's dealing with a wrist injury. But he's

715
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,160
also talked about how it's been hard to kind of

716
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,400
find himself within what they're trying to do. And that's

717
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,279
what's going to lead me into my main criticism here.

718
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,200
And it's almost I feel like I want to go

719
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,759
lower and I probably should have. Why did you make

720
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,400
this trade then? When you did? That was dumb? Because

721
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,359
that is the I don't like. The chemistry is clearly

722
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:05,880
off with this.

723
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: To forget about the vibes are not good. I don't

724
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,079
love the es.

725
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: The vibes aren't good. But like, what did you expect

726
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,000
to happen when you made this without giving yourself any

727
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,720
real cushion? Like if this was just done in the

728
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
middle of the off season and you could come into

729
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:21,799
training camp and like you just had more time, it

730
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,640
would have made a ton more sense. But you made

731
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,599
this trade the last possib minute. So what you could

732
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,160
get what extra out of the Knicks a first round

733
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,799
pick that maybe won't ever convey, So like I recognize

734
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,240
the value of that and the reports that the Knicks

735
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,400
weren't going to include Dante DiVincenzo, So it is tough

736
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,319
to sort of straddle that line. But you know what happens,

737
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,480
don't make the trade then when you did, because the

738
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:42,039
Knicks came calling at the last minute and threw it in,

739
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:44,559
And I think that's my biggest criticism of all. And

740
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:49,000
then it's also like, what what was the point of

741
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,240
the Rob Dillingham trade? Then I understood, like we've seen

742
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,680
him play, but like he's clearly not ready and I'm

743
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,519
not saying he always would have been ready, but if

744
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440
if this, if this was always going to be the

745
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:03,039
end result in the regular season with Rob Dillingham, why

746
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:06,640
did you not more effectively go after an actual backup playmaker?

747
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,039
Then where it's fallen on not just Julius Randall Dante DiVincenzo,

748
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:12,480
but like Anikila Alexander Walker, and like even the fact

749
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,480
that it's fallen on Dante Devincenzo at all is wild,

750
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,720
Like that's not He's more of a connective guy, not

751
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:21,279
someone who needs to run your offense. And so my

752
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,599
grade is actually kinder than I'm portraying it. I think

753
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,400
you could go lower what you did. You gave them

754
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,480
a C minus. I gave him a C plus. I

755
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,559
think that people have probably been a little bit too

756
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,119
hard on Randall. Actually, Okay, the body language, the pouting,

757
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,839
the defense of inconsistency, but like that is what Julius

758
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,519
Randall is, and so he hasn't necessarily been below my expectations.

759
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,480
Just the wolves in general, like the turnovers, the bad passes.

760
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:48,480
I just it's a flawed construction that, by the way,

761
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,559
still maybe could have been an issue of Karl Anthony

762
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,400
Towns was it around. I feel like I probably should

763
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,160
have gone lower at this point. I am I framed

764
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,880
it as I do think they kind of have the

765
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,759
pieces from within to fix this, but now I'm like

766
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,039
starting to doubt that, and so I'd like to see them,

767
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:05,079
like it's time for Julius Randam will come off the

768
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:08,119
bench and just deal with the emotional fallout from that

769
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:08,880
as you may.

770
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: Right, And yeah, and that's like that's just so you

771
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:13,039
reminded me.

772
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the most logical, Like, Okay, this is

773
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,440
how the trade makes sense to me. It's still it

774
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,000
was true then it's true. Now like how do you

775
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,759
I mean, really like, how's Julius Randall going to take

776
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:24,759
that if you're concerned about his pouting and stuff and

777
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,920
sporadic effort level, like boy, you might really test that.

778
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,519
Speaker 3: It's a C minus for me, just like Nutshell.

779
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: Randall's been about what you would have hoped for, and

780
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:36,839
Devincenzo hasn't been.

781
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: So it's just like a blow average thing.

782
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,039
Speaker 2: And I say that acknowledging some of their I guess,

783
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,119
specifically with respect to Devincenzo, some of his underperformance I

784
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,000
think just owes to like he's in a role that

785
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:52,359
isn't like really what you should be using him for.

786
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: And I don't know how much of that is his fault.

787
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:56,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like that's more on the Wolves than

788
00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:59,240
it seems him. I think I'm probably so generous with

789
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,359
the se plus. I just think he's gonna at least

790
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:02,359
shoot better at.

791
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:05,079
Speaker 2: Some think this has to come up. It's gonna come up,

792
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,400
Like these guys are both talented. The Wolves will figure

793
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:07,720
it out.

794
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,079
Speaker 1: Next up, Grant Demarta Rosen and the sacrament Your Sacramento Kings.

795
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:14,360
Danny Demartin Rosen to take it.

796
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,599
Speaker 3: Away pretty straightforward. He's doing what you need like he.

797
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: And and and you know, scoring the twenty two to

798
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,159
nine a game, fifty plus from the field, forty percent

799
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,800
from three volumes up a little bit. Before he got hurt,

800
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,400
he had a back injury. I think he's I don't

801
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,920
know if I think he's due back really soon. If

802
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,360
he hasn't, it might be tonight. Actually, as we're recording this,

803
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,400
had thirty six clutch points, which was number four in

804
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,280
the league at the time he went down. And obviously

805
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,199
darreon Fox has a trillion clutch points well him.

806
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:42,599
Speaker 1: And by the way, him and dianon Fox in terms

807
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,840
of made shots in the clutch one and two respective.

808
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so just like this is.

809
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: They have a losing record in crunch time, by the way, but.

810
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,559
Speaker 3: I think you know the clutch. Crush is officiating the

811
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,559
clutch the right Dyson Daniels filed him, right, We're gonna

812
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,199
keep talking about that. The the the package.

813
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: He is just still Derozen, like still doing exactly what

814
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:05,320
DeMar Derozen does. Like he's a very smart offensive player.

815
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,679
If if like sort limited's too strong of a word,

816
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:10,760
but like there's just certain things he does exceptionally well,

817
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,239
certain things he doesn't, and even those ones three point

818
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,079
shooting he's doing well the defensive stuff is it's it's

819
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,079
this is I would say, oh, this this might be

820
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,480
the the of the ones we've covered so far. To me,

821
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,280
this feels like, yeah, that's a that's this is you know, optimistically,

822
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,639
this is on the high side of like the spectrum

823
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,599
of possibilities. But like, this is exactly what DeRozan does,

824
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,239
who he is, how he like, how you should have

825
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,519
anticipated he'd fit good and bad.

826
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: Right, And so, by the way, the numbers for anyone

827
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,719
who is concerned, we we had said, like, okay, this

828
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,639
spacing is kind of a concern, but the Kings just

829
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:48,760
they have the offensive talent to figure it out. So

830
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,239
Bonus and Fox, when all three of these guys share

831
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,360
the court, they're both shooting over sixty seven percent on twos,

832
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:59,800
while DeRozan's at fifty six. So it's just like this

833
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,559
is when I push back when people say that NBA

834
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,599
offenses are uniform and boring. I understand there's a lot

835
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,480
of three pointers being taken, but there are there are

836
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,320
literally teams, including the Kings, that are disproving that. And

837
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,960
then I disagree with like people thinking there's too much

838
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,639
homogeny among NBA offenses because the methods by which these

839
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,199
teams might get to the same shots are just so different.

840
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,559
But the Kings are just we have outliers here and

841
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:25,840
they're making it work. This was He's done everything that

842
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,719
they could have asked from him. I do think I've

843
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,679
been impressed that they've been able to limit shots at

844
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:31,679
the rim still, but he's been on the court like

845
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,800
that's kind of the base of their defense. I will

846
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,039
also say that he is I don't He's had some

847
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:38,880
good hands, like he'll go in there and he'll swipe,

848
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,119
and he's blocked some shots. But like, I still am

849
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:43,920
concerned with him of just like if he's gonna help

850
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,679
away from the corners, you're relying on him to make

851
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,119
those reads. We'll see how that holds up in the playoffs.

852
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,199
I actually think that you put Harrison Barnes and more

853
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:51,960
of a Harrison Barnes roll in San Antonio, and he's

854
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,119
looked perfectly fine defensively for me, So I do still

855
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,000
have defensive concerns with him. I will say it's very

856
00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:59,920
much a testament to I think Dearon Fox and Key

857
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:02,360
Murray again have been solid on that end, and I

858
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,559
think at some point Kevin Herder started the season out

859
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,360
really well defensively, which I think helped them. And now

860
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,440
I'm kind of looking at it as the lineup with

861
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:12,679
Keon Ellis and Keegan Murray and then the big three,

862
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,760
let's call them, that just might be the cheat code

863
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,039
that this team like gives this team contender vibes if

864
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,079
they get there this year. You could argue, well, we'd

865
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:22,800
like it upgrade over the key On Ellis spot in

866
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,079
those minutes. Okay, fine, but like if that's the point

867
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,960
you're at. So I've been impressed overall. I think with

868
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:30,760
some of the core lineups, how they've held serve defensively.

869
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,679
I don't necessarily attribute too much of that to DeRozan,

870
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:35,639
who I think is doing a lot of the stuff

871
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,239
he didn't. They're insulating him, like you don't put him.

872
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,599
He's a low activity defender, and so they figure out

873
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:43,039
a way to make that work anyway, which is why

874
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,360
I'd like to see someone other than like a Kevin

875
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,079
Herder or a Maligue Monk in that fifth spot long term.

876
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,280
But again, before he was dealing with the back stuff,

877
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,719
I think he's been. He's definitely exceeded expected. I think

878
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,960
even optimistically you had to wonder he's thirty five with

879
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,000
the efficiency still be there and could there be especially

880
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,280
with Daron Fox like shooting the hell out of ball

881
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,480
from the pain, it's what would things get a little clunky?

882
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,199
Speaker 2: And the answer is just no, yeah, I mean just

883
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,119
the puts a finer point on the numbers, Like the

884
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,119
offense is about five per hundred better when he's on,

885
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,840
and the defense is right around four per hundred worse.

886
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: And so it's like, well, all right, that's the DeRozan experience.

887
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: They've figured out how to just sort of like it

888
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:22,840
really was just the fit questions, like I don't know

889
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,280
that there was any question about like what will DeRozan bring.

890
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: It's just like how much how helpful can that be

891
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,119
on this team? And will the trade offs be worth it?

892
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: And so far?

893
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:33,079
Speaker 2: You like, he's just so to me that if you

894
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:34,719
want to throw the grades up, it's an a minus.

895
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,000
Like that's just acknowledging. Yeah, the defense is a concern,

896
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:40,320
but they've figured out how to work around that and

897
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,239
mostly that's just he's good enough on offense to offset that.

898
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,639
Speaker 1: And they gave up I mean, that's wop. That's the

899
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,039
price is yeah, talk about the price is just up.

900
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:50,079
I mean shout out to the Bulls for just making

901
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,239
every other team, aside from their self better apparently. So uh,

902
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,440
I will say. The thing that's also good too is

903
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,480
that he's thirty five. And so it was in the

904
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:00,159
at least the back or middle of my mind of like,

905
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:02,199
could this be the year there's a regression, and it's well,

906
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:03,760
you have him in a different type of role now

907
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,400
where he's not your all everything, Like there could just

908
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,239
be possessions or stints where he's like your number three

909
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,719
guy rather than even your number two. That might just

910
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000
help someone who is already built to age pretty well

911
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,840
apparently age even better. And so I I like this

912
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,840
deal a lot more than I did before. And I

913
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,880
feel like the Kings are kind of on the cusp

914
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,639
of something that's more special than I even would have

915
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,320
predicted before. I still think that they they can't do

916
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,519
I will. I want to make this clear. I'm just

917
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,639
faster if they fucking do nothing at the trade deadline.

918
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:34,960
This year we tore them and new we tore them

919
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,480
one last year. I will tear them eighty ones this year.

920
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:39,960
Like this team is good enough, the timeline is now,

921
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,679
and like I really believe that it's not. I do

922
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,639
think like the key on allis lineup like the five

923
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:46,760
of those guys, that could end up being the cheat code.

924
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,719
But if you want someone who's a little bigger or

925
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,000
just like more of an upgrade over that spot, now

926
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,119
is the time to go out and get them, or

927
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:55,880
at least I'll say this season is the time to

928
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,880
go out and get them. Who's next, Oh, the Cruso?

929
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,920
What have you thought about his experience? About the Cruiso

930
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,639
experience of okay?

931
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: I would note Dan.

932
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: That we've spent a lot of time the collective way

933
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,639
in the NBA discussion sphere talking about Dyson Daniels deflections

934
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:17,039
and seals and stuff. Alex Cruzzo is equal per thirty

935
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,159
six deflections to Dyson Daniels, just not playing as much.

936
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,559
So that's where you start with him. He is as

937
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,880
disruptive and as much of a problem defensively as he

938
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,199
has ever been. He just is super physical, super strong,

939
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,400
can guard every position. B Ball Index has a defensive

940
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,639
versatility staties number one in the league, which is just

941
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:41,960
like the split in percentage of minutes spent guarding all

942
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,760
five positions, his is the most Even so, he's just

943
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,480
kind of it's not just like, oh, he's at the

944
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,480
point of attack and making life really shitty for you know,

945
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:51,800
opposing point guards or whoever happens we handling the ball.

946
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,679
Speaker 3: He's kind of everywhere.

947
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: Now, some of that's a simplem of Okase's defense that

948
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,440
doesn't play bigs until Hartenstein game.

949
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm just see how many of okay C's non biggs

950
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:00,559
are in.

951
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: Probably high but so he that's just to say, well, wait,

952
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:06,679
can I.

953
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:10,639
Speaker 1: Interject one more time? Please? Do you know who's just

954
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,840
the player he has set so the player he has

955
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,000
defended for the largest portion of time so far this

956
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:18,840
season is Keldon Johnson. Do you want to know who's

957
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,400
number two?

958
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,599
Speaker 2: It's just hysterical, is it?

959
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: It's zobots and like Zach Collins and DeAndre eight and

960
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,239
are both in the top eight there and Nicole Yokich

961
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,960
just there too. That's just so ridiculous. I'm sorry I

962
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,480
found that out.

963
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: That's it.

964
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,039
Speaker 2: I mean, he is he is who we thought he

965
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,719
was on defense. He is one of, full stop, the

966
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,440
best defensive players in the NBA. He's giving them jack

967
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,039
shit offensively as a scorer, which is who cares The.

968
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,599
Speaker 1: Other night against the uh well, by the way, the thunder.

969
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,360
If they could do the thing where they like care

970
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,599
before crunch time, which they've gotten in this weird habit

971
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,719
where's we're just gonna comes from that the other night

972
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,639
he went off, didn't he Who are they playing?

973
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:00,639
Speaker 2: That's not a game? I say, I just know the

974
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,119
overall numbers are, like, he can't.

975
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,119
Speaker 1: Make a shot. You probably shouldn't trust our takeaways when

976
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:06,159
I'm watching that game and can't remember who they were playing.

977
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,119
They can't, Oh, Portland, they had like come back and

978
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,599
like storm pass Portland. He was eight of eleven from

979
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,920
the floor. But please must.

980
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: Bump the numbers so you know he's he's a little

981
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,480
like DeRozan, where it's like, yeah, that's about right, that's

982
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,400
just that's what you thought you were gonna get, and

983
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,360
he's doing exactly that, and all the pluses are there

984
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,039
and all the I mean, really, if anything, if he

985
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,000
could get back to like last year's level of shooting

986
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:29,719
or I mean, it's always tough with him because the

987
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,480
samples tend to be small. But if he if he

988
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,880
could be like a positive offensive player to any extent,

989
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,079
like he's just this, this would just be an a plus.

990
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,079
As it is, like it's still a very strong grade

991
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:40,360
for me.

992
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went. We both ended up similar. I went

993
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,760
be went B minus the offensive shooting splits are bad.

994
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:48,000
I think some people might downgrade him to say, like, well,

995
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,719
why is he higher volume or why can't he do

996
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,079
like more of the ball, Like this is not what

997
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:53,400
he is supposed to do. So I think the three

998
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,039
point shot will fall. But they have one of the

999
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,000
best defenses in NBA history despite having one center available

1000
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:01,519
for the vast majority order no center available for the

1001
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,519
vast majority of And I also think it looks even

1002
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:06,880
better because we're about to move on when you consider

1003
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,679
what they gave up to get aus Cruzzo, which is

1004
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,519
Josh Giddy and Chicago Grant.

1005
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:12,599
Speaker 2: I mean, do you want to take the lead on

1006
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:14,880
this one based on the spreadsheet here? You've got a

1007
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,320
slightly stronger feeling than I do.

1008
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: It says a lot to me that people are extolling

1009
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,920
Josh Giddy for acknowledging how bad he's been on the

1010
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,039
defensive end, Like if that's the bright Like yeah, Josh

1011
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,440
Gitty's really self aware of how much he sucks on defense,

1012
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:35,199
Like that's that's awesome. So what is the okay he's

1013
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,719
been shooting the ball fairly well, but this he still

1014
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,440
can't finish at the rim. He's also who's not going

1015
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:42,639
to generate like advantages. And if he's not going all

1016
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,239
the way to the rim like he's not, like, teams

1017
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,719
aren't going to care if he gets to the floater

1018
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,440
or the mid range. Defensively, he's just stiff. He's on athletic.

1019
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,920
He can be a good rebounder, but awesome like that,

1020
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,599
I don't understand. And now you've run yourself and this

1021
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:59,440
isn't I don't even mean to slam over Josh Giddy specifically.

1022
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,000
The fact that he's a knowledge how bad he is

1023
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,039
on defense is cool. But if that's what we're latching

1024
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,519
onto the silver lining of this, dude gets it.

1025
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: He gets an A for self awareness. I guess he

1026
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:09,440
gets an A.

1027
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:11,519
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.

1028
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: If that's so general awareness maybe lower.

1029
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: Lifestyle awareness is probably a little bit lower. So you're

1030
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,880
the bulls Now, you've now run the danger of here.

1031
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,840
Here's the two options. Josh Giddy continues playing like this,

1032
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:29,840
where he's gonna have some numbers and you have to

1033
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,039
pay him a bunch in restricted free agency. And now

1034
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:35,920
you've paid Josh Getty a bunch of restricted for agency

1035
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,679
to do what or do you just let him walk

1036
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,480
or does the end of somewhere else, in which case

1037
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:42,639
you gave up your best asset that at one point

1038
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,920
we know you could have gotten multiple first round picks

1039
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,000
for and then it's this was just a wash. Give me,

1040
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,280
why isn't this an F trade or F edition right now?

1041
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: Grant So, not.

1042
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: To say my grade is high, but I think they're

1043
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,039
the positives are the three point percentage has climbed it

1044
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,119
yet again for a fourth straight year. He's at thirty

1045
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,760
five point six percent. So we're just trying to mind

1046
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,480
some slight positives out of this.

1047
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: And honestly, like.

1048
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,599
Speaker 2: I didn't go all the way to a failing grade

1049
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,920
because this is like, this is who he is, this

1050
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,039
is what you like. Again, I'm maybe too anchored to

1051
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:25,199
this idea of like expectation versus reality fact being like

1052
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,800
a basis for the grade. Like we expected Josh Giddy

1053
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,000
to suck, like especially on defense, because that's what he's

1054
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:35,440
been and that's what's happened. So like, I don't know,

1055
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,679
I I guess I'm just my level of surprise is

1056
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,000
beyond it is extremely low. And so maybe that's why

1057
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,280
I'm not all the way down at a failing grade.

1058
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,119
Speaker 3: I we just throw it up if you want I give.

1059
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,320
I gave him a D.

1060
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: You have an F three minuses. I think you could

1061
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,119
add a couple more potentially based on your explanation, which

1062
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:57,039
I can get behind, Like.

1063
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,519
Speaker 1: Well, here's you want to where he's Honestly, he's been worse.

1064
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Maybe it's because he was so insulated in Okay, see

1065
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,480
it points that. Yeah, but he's shooting worse at the

1066
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:09,760
rim than I even would have expected. Like he's gone

1067
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,519
is shoots a better percentage at the free throw line.

1068
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:13,400
The Josh getting shoots at the rim, that's a problem.

1069
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: The athleticism is just like it's not enough. It just

1070
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,880
really is jumping out.

1071
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: The touch like from the in between range is not there.

1072
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,559
So I he's like he's failed to me even by that,

1073
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:28,719
Like he's he's failed to even meet what I thought

1074
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,719
were the baseline expectations for him. Whe it's all right,

1075
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,320
we know he's gonna shoot like fifty eight or sixty

1076
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,639
percent at the rim, but it's oh no, he's got

1077
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:35,960
like forty nine to fifty. I mean, there's no really

1078
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,760
like mid range threat from which to speak and it's oh, okay, cool,

1079
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,159
Like his three point clip is fine, but I, I

1080
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,599
just it's bad. To his credit, he is driving the

1081
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:48,440
tank properly, like they are both ends of the floor.

1082
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,679
And by the way, wouldn't the expectation be that they

1083
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:54,360
could at least be as good or better with him

1084
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,760
on offense when he like when when he's in the

1085
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,719
game and they have not been like their offense has

1086
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,760
just been better with him on the court and.

1087
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,079
Speaker 2: The defense falls off a cliff, like that's that's the

1088
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,320
other Like he just it's hard for a I guess

1089
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,280
he's a guard, although like I don't know, Yeah, we'll

1090
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,760
call him a guard. It's hard for a guard to

1091
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,719
matt although the guys he has to guard are typically

1092
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,199
not guards like he's against.

1093
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: In from the NBA podcast, who anyone who listens to

1094
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,559
this podcast as we just recorded with I said, like

1095
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,480
he's he just wrote a piece. But he's a power

1096
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,519
forward and it's time to kind of realize that. But

1097
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:24,800
is he good enough like for what he needs to

1098
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,800
do on offense too, Like if you winnow down his

1099
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,480
offensive role to more of a power forward role, Like

1100
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,239
it's how do you build your team? The vein of

1101
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,199
all right, this guy's a power forward, but we also

1102
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,039
need him to have the ball on the offensive ends.

1103
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,199
Speaker 2: I mean you evoke the Ben Simmons comparison, which should

1104
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:41,199
make nobody comfortable.

1105
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,039
Speaker 1: Basically, he should aspire to be Ben Simmons at.

1106
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,199
Speaker 2: This just the last thing here, like you you touched

1107
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,360
on it. He when the when the best case scenario

1108
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:54,800
potentially is is hoping he leaves for nothing. Man, that's

1109
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,280
like that's brutal, like just just as an overall like

1110
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,119
asset management thing for the bulls like that.

1111
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: I don't and that that's feeling kind of real at

1112
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,440
this point?

1113
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: Are you? So you think bullstres should just be hoping

1114
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,840
that they let him walk, is what you're saying.

1115
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,199
Speaker 3: If the alternative, well.

1116
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:07,679
Speaker 2: The part of then you have to bring up the like, well,

1117
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,360
who's going to drive the market up in restricted free agency?

1118
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,079
Like I don't know that that team is out there,

1119
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,639
So maybe you bring him back at like a pay

1120
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,320
rate that is like in line with what he's giving you.

1121
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:19,639
I don't know what that number is, but it might

1122
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:21,280
be at the point where it's like you'd rather just

1123
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,000
have the space than than have to pay him, because

1124
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,800
you know, if you have to pay him like a starter,

1125
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,760
not even a positive like a plus starter. That might

1126
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,400
be too much, and like that's just not a good

1127
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,639
outcome because you can't turn around and trade him for

1128
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,519
positive value if you have him at that at like

1129
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,440
twenty a year, which I don't think is going to

1130
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,000
be enough. You know, based on I don't know preseason expectations,

1131
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:45,079
we should move on. This is a sad story the Clippers.

1132
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Derek Jones Junior, Chris Dunn. They still get a F

1133
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,760
minus for adding KPJ for so many reasons, not the

1134
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,079
least of which is at least it just doesn't make

1135
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,440
an impact. But or Chris Dunn Derek Jones. I think

1136
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,800
Chris Dunn's probably been about what I expected. Derek Jorge

1137
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,840
W's have been way better than I expected. They're killing

1138
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,239
with the minutes where he's either like they're big or

1139
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,639
he's playing next to Nicholas Patoom and their Koe Biggs,

1140
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:11,599
however you want to frame it, destroying those minutes. What

1141
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,360
is he up to now? Grand from three like forty five?

1142
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,119
I know they're both.

1143
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,599
Speaker 3: Both in the forties when I look at the other day.

1144
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: So like, I don't know if that will hold we

1145
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,880
saw Derek Jones Junior pull back last year for starting

1146
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,559
the season pretty hot from deep, but they are very

1147
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:29,119
much part of like the primary fabric of a defensive

1148
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,880
identity that is actually the it was not a meme

1149
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,360
because it was real life. But did you see the

1150
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,199
scream shot of where there's just three Clippers guys on

1151
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,679
top of the ball like of someone I can't remember

1152
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:41,599
who's laying on the floor. Like that is that's the

1153
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:44,280
Clippers defensive identity and these two have just helped shape

1154
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,480
the shit out of it.

1155
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, everything that's gone right with the Clippers

1156
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,599
this year starts on defense, and these two guys are

1157
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,760
just a huge part of it. Just like the aggressiveness,

1158
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,559
the length, the like how disruptive they are, more so

1159
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,039
with Jones than Done, Like the leticism that's just.

1160
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 3: Such they they've been. And the shooting is like, I mean.

1161
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:09,079
Speaker 2: That's just found money that they're both certainly done, Like

1162
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:10,800
I think done. Actually, we might need to start believing

1163
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,719
in as a shooter because he kind of turned things

1164
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,440
around with the Jazz a couple of years ago in

1165
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,760
a short stint and has been like good enough to

1166
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,880
like he's always been an awesome defender, and it's just like,

1167
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,239
is he playable if he's gonna make threes at all?

1168
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,000
Like he's playable because he can handle the ball. And

1169
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:27,239
Jones is kind of the same things. He's a real

1170
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,119
plus role player if the ball goes in from deep

1171
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:32,360
and we saw that in those best stretches with Dallas.

1172
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,880
These guys have been you know, these are relatively small roles.

1173
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,280
We're kind of getting into some of the you know,

1174
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:39,440
although we have some big, big fish still out there,

1175
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,000
but like, this is just like beyond expectations I think,

1176
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:44,840
or at least on the very very high end for

1177
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:46,039
both of these guys.

1178
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I guess if you what would be

1179
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,480
the argument, because I think you can look at it

1180
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,519
and say, Okay, if they were gonna go either of

1181
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,039
these routes would have been nice to prioritize a better

1182
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,400
secondary playmaker than having Kevin Porter Jor on this roster

1183
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:03,559
or relying on what you've like even Chris done to

1184
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:06,880
do some stuff. Yeah, I guess you could demerit them

1185
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,760
for that. The only real way I could see it

1186
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,679
demerit here is if you think that they and we

1187
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,320
killed them for letting Paul George walk but like that's

1188
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,280
the route they went. And even if you think that

1189
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,519
they could have managed that asset better and maybe they

1190
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:21,400
could have, just in the vacuum of what they did,

1191
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,039
I don't know what the reason to not like like

1192
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,639
we both went. We didn't give perfect raids, but we

1193
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,119
both went to I went A minus, you went P plus.

1194
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,840
I think some of the offensive concerns where it's Chris

1195
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,159
done specifically, like would you have been better off like

1196
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:36,719
trying to get more of a conventional floor general rather

1197
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,039
than having him in KPJ. But I just the Clippers

1198
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:41,719
are at a point where it's like I'm starting to wonder,

1199
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,159
well they need to buy at the deadline right, Like

1200
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:45,960
I'm not gonna count on Quiet to be available. Like

1201
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,880
they're good enough to like be a threat in the West.

1202
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,559
It feels like if they add one more piece.

1203
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the offensive side, because I think in large

1204
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,400
part these two guys and the group collectively like that

1205
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,320
defense I think is going to be and to do

1206
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,119
it with Harden, like to be a good defense with

1207
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,920
hard and playing major minutes, that's impressive. They they've and

1208
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,239
these guys are right there as key drivers of it.

1209
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: They've even like like what is unlocking. I mean, shout

1210
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,679
out Jeff van Gundy. A lot of the players have

1211
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:10,880
complimented him already, but it's like they're like, we're just

1212
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,119
uncorking Mobamba and like that's gonna work at points and so.

1213
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:15,880
But when they're the thing that's impressed me the most,

1214
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,719
when they're playing without any bigs. They're plus fourteen per

1215
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,719
one hundred possessions right now and the offense is in

1216
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,199
the seventy ninth percentile with a defense that's just absolutely suffocating.

1217
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:28,519
I think a big part of that is they're not

1218
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,119
like just the size mismatches you're gonna generate when you

1219
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:35,840
have like you know, Nicholas Patoum and a mere coffee

1220
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,960
and yeah, uh, like they're populating your front court alongside

1221
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,440
like if Derrick Jones juniors in there. I don't know

1222
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,679
if it's start. I don't know if the offensive success

1223
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,920
is sustainable there. But if you're gonna get out and

1224
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,039
kind of score points in transition and put just a

1225
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,760
shit ton of pressure on the rim, like that might

1226
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,000
be a rent, certainly for the non Zubots minutes, I

1227
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,880
would argue, like, hey, maybe they should go to this

1228
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,920
even a little bit more than they have so far,

1229
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,039
because I think there's zero big minutes, they're still sub

1230
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,239
two fifty non garbage time possessions on the season. Next up,

1231
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,800
we have the kind of the other side of this

1232
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,320
grand Paul George slash not Cody Martin, So Caleb Martin

1233
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:12,880
shout out. Discord members will understand that reference. This is

1234
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,960
tough because you could I think you could go with

1235
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:15,639
a TBD.

1236
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:21,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and and I didn't, and I'll I

1237
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:22,639
guess maybe I should explain why.

1238
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: It's just like.

1239
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,039
Speaker 2: Because you could go with a TVD because Paul George

1240
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:28,840
is not played much because he's had two left knee

1241
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,840
hyper extensions. This latest one, you know, sounds like it's

1242
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,599
going to be a couple of games. But either way,

1243
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,079
like he's been limited as have many many sixers. I went,

1244
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:44,280
I view that as part of the Paul George package,

1245
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,039
Like this is a guy that what are the average

1246
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,039
with the Clippers, like fifty games a year or something

1247
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:51,079
something like that, or there's maybe it's less than that, the.

1248
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: Average like more than twenty absences per year with the Clips.

1249
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:57,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like that's priced in man like this, So

1250
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,719
for me, there's not that much to be determined. Because

1251
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,119
it has already been determined that he will miss time,

1252
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:08,000
and so that I think. I'm not willing to say

1253
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:11,800
that the Sixers made a huge mistake by committing to him,

1254
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:17,199
but certainly they should have understood, like with eyes open,

1255
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,719
that he is not someone, especially as he gets deeper

1256
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,559
into his thirties, that's gonna be there for sixty seventy games.

1257
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,039
Speaker 3: That's just not part of it. So I view it.

1258
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:29,039
Speaker 2: I don't want to jump on yours and skip over it,

1259
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:32,239
but it's a C minus for me because it is

1260
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,000
just slightly below expectations because when he's been on the floor,

1261
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,159
the numbers aren't great, like he's down in the mid

1262
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,840
teens scoring average. Defensively, I think he hasn't looked quite

1263
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,800
as good. Like you still see him and you're like,

1264
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,639
that's Paul George. It's not like he's fallen off to

1265
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:49,159
some crazy degree. And a lot of this is hard

1266
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,079
to judge because the Sixers just other than the ten

1267
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:54,800
seconds that all three of those guys were available before

1268
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,800
George suffered that second knee injury, we haven't seen him

1269
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,360
in the roles they're gonna play. So that's why I

1270
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,639
couldn't get like way down the grade scale, it's just

1271
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:04,400
the C minus for me, he hasn't been quite as

1272
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,679
good when he's been out there as probably you would

1273
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:07,000
have thought.

1274
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: I went going to see because we're looping. We're looping,

1275
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,280
not Cody Martin into this because it's you kind of

1276
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,199
have to grade the Sixers vision and what was the

1277
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:18,639
what was the other road to travel? What did you

1278
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,079
want them to do? And yes, if we have to

1279
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:23,800
come back and revisit this, But because he's played so little,

1280
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,679
Paul George, I'm talking about, like it's close if before

1281
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:29,360
you give it a failing grade, you have to give

1282
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,599
it a TBD. It'd be different if he had played

1283
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:33,920
in most of the games that like, we just flunked

1284
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:35,880
Josh Giddy and we've been harsher on the Wolves like

1285
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,599
those dudes have played and that's why. And so you

1286
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:41,239
are baking absences into the Paul George experience. And I

1287
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,840
don't think just based off what in Bead said preseason,

1288
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,360
we clearly know that they weren't going to play these

1289
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,480
dudes a ton like they were going to rest them.

1290
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:50,360
They probably thought least one of them would be available

1291
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,119
at the front end of the schedule. So now they've

1292
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,639
diminished their margin for error. But the other thing where

1293
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:58,119
I think this ends up looking worse is if people

1294
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:00,840
are still when we talked about him, we said, like,

1295
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,800
that's cool, because now you have three guys who can

1296
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,440
kind of generate their own shots from scratch. Paul George

1297
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,599
has suddenly been thrust into a role where it's like

1298
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,440
he's kind of needs to be the one when Max

1299
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,039
he's out, or the one and a half. Overall, we've

1300
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,320
talked about how that's not really his game anymore, and

1301
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,599
so the fact that he's averaging, granted, as an example,

1302
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:20,119
point sixty seven points per pick and roll possession. That's awful,

1303
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,039
but that's also not his game, and that number will

1304
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,800
come up because he can still do some of that stuff.

1305
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,239
The injuries are unfortunate, but I just you need to

1306
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,440
give this more time. And the other thing that I

1307
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,039
think makes the Sixers look worse, which is also why

1308
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,840
I can't get too upset about how Joel Embiid has

1309
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,440
looked for much of the time that he has played.

1310
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,599
The Joel Embiid ramp up is part of the experience too,

1311
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,719
and so it's like, how much of that, like now

1312
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,880
Paul George is dealing with his own ramp up plus

1313
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,159
Joelle Embie's ramp up, and then he's getting injured again.

1314
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:49,719
These guys are older Paul George Tieley, so that's going

1315
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,639
to take a little bit of time. And just I

1316
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,199
Caleb Martin in all seriousness, the three pointers not going

1317
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:58,079
in right now. I do think he's been like he's

1318
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:01,440
been a big deal defensively, even he's gotten torched defensively,

1319
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:04,400
like to be like, Okay, you're gonna defend La Melo ball. Okay,

1320
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,679
you're gonna go out there, we need you to go

1321
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,800
defend k D. Yeah, Kd's probably gonna score on you.

1322
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,599
But he did a pretty good job against Franz Wagner

1323
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,039
when they played Orlando. So I still like that signing.

1324
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:16,000
And I also just I understand that we're trying to

1325
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,719
measure it to expectations, but part of the expectations would be, well,

1326
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,320
what was the alternative for the Sixers this offseason? Yeah,

1327
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,239
Now this turns into a thing where rather than the

1328
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,360
back two years of the Paul George deal being bad,

1329
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:31,079
the front two years are also bad. Then all of them. Yeah,

1330
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,840
that becomes a problem. But I can't I can't get

1331
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,039
there yet. Because we see I think some ridiculous where

1332
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:40,000
two of their big three members have been on the

1333
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:42,159
court for like five percent of the sixers minutes or

1334
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:43,199
something stupid this season.

1335
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you're pessimistic about the Clippers and

1336
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:48,800
we don't, like I don't know that you and I

1337
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,960
haven't really talked about this because the bulk of it's

1338
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,119
been recent enough that we haven't recorded. But like, if

1339
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:54,920
you're pessimistic about them, I don't think it has very

1340
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,079
much to do with Paul George's performance to this point

1341
00:57:57,199 --> 00:57:59,679
or even Maxi's injury. I think it's just the embiid

1342
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:03,320
like it stuff that you know, the like man that

1343
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,360
he just doesn't look in shape and now you're getting

1344
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:09,119
it's it's so interesting, like the team meeting stuff and

1345
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:10,800
like getting called out for being late to things and

1346
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,719
then this flood of well this has been an issue

1347
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,480
for his whole career, like the no accountability, he doesn't

1348
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,880
treat people well, like he's not like here that first

1349
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,079
of all, like whatever you think about like how the

1350
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:26,039
whole like open the floodgates nature of some of this

1351
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:28,639
like off court stuff is where it's like once once

1352
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:32,079
the damn is breached, everybody chimes in that's been following

1353
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:33,880
the team for years, saying like, yeah, this was always

1354
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,280
a problem, Like well, okay, that's that's a big deal.

1355
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,679
So if you're pessimistic about the Sixers, as I kind

1356
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:42,400
of am, I'm very susceptible to like being swayed by

1357
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,599
this off court like vibe stuff. I'm concerned that it

1358
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,960
be just is not like doesn't give enough of a

1359
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,679
shit about some of the things you need to give

1360
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:53,000
a shit about. And that'll all change if he goes

1361
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:55,159
back to playing like an MVP, probably and I won't

1362
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:55,840
care and no one.

1363
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: Else is gonna care.

1364
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,559
Speaker 2: But the concerns about like the work ethic this, how

1365
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,239
seriously are you taking keeping yourself in shape and like

1366
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,360
being a good teammate and being a leader, Like that's

1367
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400
what I would be pessimistic about. Not Paul George hyper

1368
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,760
extending his knee and like not looking super great in

1369
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,760
the first month of a four year contract.

1370
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:20,599
Speaker 1: Here's my thing to get into more of the general

1371
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:24,320
Sixer stuff. Okay, Joelle, but doesn't look great, but like

1372
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,400
we have a track record of he needs a ramp

1373
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,440
up after he's been injured, and I don't understand what

1374
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,119
I also don't understand is no, is it great they

1375
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:33,840
needed a team meeting? Obviously not. But like Tyre's Maxine,

1376
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,559
Joell and beat her homies and so the fact that

1377
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:37,280
Tyre's Maxie called them out is probably a good thing

1378
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,280
and an okay thing. The fact that a leak is

1379
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,920
the bigger concern. But I don't everyone considers themselves a

1380
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,039
super sleuth on social media, and it's so let's go back,

1381
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,079
and I've seen this greenshots floating around about the story

1382
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:50,079
from the process era and how the lack of culture

1383
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:54,119
there we're now what two or three front office regimes removed.

1384
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,079
Speaker 3: And like him near ten years too, but.

1385
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: Still blame if that's au. You don't get to blame

1386
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,639
this on the Darryl Mory's in charge right now. If

1387
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:05,119
Joel Bean's been late to shit, that's Darryl Morriy's fault.

1388
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:08,639
It's Joelle Bead's fault for sure. But like you've given,

1389
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:11,679
there's been an all front office, not all. A lot

1390
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:13,480
of front offices do this to an extent, But if

1391
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:17,440
you're going to give superstars a ton of leeway, that's

1392
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,280
on you, and if other players aren't reacting well to it,

1393
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:23,880
shouldn't you be self aware as an organization enough to

1394
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,480
then go in and try and correct that. Have you

1395
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:29,719
not given Nick Nurse the power to mandate Joel bid

1396
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,840
Bee on time to things I don't. I'm not trying

1397
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,239
to absolve and being of blame because but I also

1398
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,199
don't like this idea that he's the reason he's injured

1399
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,119
all the time, or that he doesn't want to play,

1400
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,239
or that he doesn't give a shit enough. Do you

1401
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,159
honestly think I'm asking you. I know you don't think

1402
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:47,960
this way, but do you honestly think Joel b doesn't

1403
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,320
like basketball or doesn't give a shit? Honestly? I don't think.

1404
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,719
Speaker 3: I yeah, I know that's rhetorical. I would just say like,

1405
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:54,199
I don't know.

1406
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,519
Speaker 2: I think I would view it just comparatively and say, like, I,

1407
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:03,000
we're so talking heady, like screaming head right now, but.

1408
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,599
Speaker 3: I really do.

1409
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:09,239
Speaker 2: I'm trying to walk it back, like I or at

1410
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,559
least throttle back on it so we don't sound like

1411
01:01:11,639 --> 01:01:14,400
that because it's the scourge of our industry.

1412
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,639
Speaker 3: But you don't.

1413
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: There's no way to do this without sounding like a

1414
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,639
talking head. You don't hear this stuff, this type of

1415
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:26,199
stuff about Nicole Jokic or Jason Tatum or Steph Curry

1416
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,639
or like you just this it concerns me. It concerns

1417
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:34,039
me because, like, especially as a player gets older and

1418
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:37,199
especially as a player's physical abilities diminish, which I think

1419
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,800
embiids have and will continue to do, because it's just

1420
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,400
hard for him to stay in shape because of the injuries,

1421
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:44,480
which aren't his fault. Like you get hurt. It sucks

1422
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:47,079
like he started his career hurt. It's just that's, you know,

1423
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:49,159
not because he wants to be hurt or you know,

1424
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,599
wants to not play. It just happened, and now the

1425
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:54,199
effects are you can't be as good as you were.

1426
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:56,480
It's harder to be in shape because you can't condition.

1427
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,960
As you get older, it's harder to keep weight off.

1428
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,400
Like that's just a real thing. Like I am very

1429
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,679
concerned with the with the concept of a team centered

1430
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:10,000
around him now for for leadership reasons, for durability reasons,

1431
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,679
for for just pointing his career reasons and so like

1432
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,320
we're way off the Paul George thing.

1433
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,039
Speaker 3: I just we haven't talked about this. It feels like

1434
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:17,920
we should discuss it.

1435
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Paul George turning it.

1436
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,639
Speaker 2: Into content for his podcast. What would you call that content?

1437
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:26,199
Because I really didn't get a lot of incisive.

1438
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:28,039
Speaker 1: I don't I didn't listen to it. I find he's

1439
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,079
actually one of the better player podcasters.

1440
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:31,079
Speaker 3: I agree.

1441
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:33,639
Speaker 1: I just can't a lot of player podcasts for me,

1442
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:35,880
and I don't anyone. Look, there's a ton of options

1443
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,119
out there. Listen to you, do you? I just don't

1444
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:41,440
find them. I find a lot of them to be

1445
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:43,880
like watered down in the sense like you're not gonna

1446
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,360
get a ton of candor there, candor there, and like

1447
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,400
unless you're just there for the nostalgia. If you want

1448
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,440
to hear like Jeff Teague tell stories about like when

1449
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,320
he was in me. Okay, that's just not my thing,

1450
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,719
Like I want to hear more like I'm not necessarily

1451
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,719
a fan of Draymond Green's podcast, but I'd like that

1452
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,000
he will go in on current events. But it's also

1453
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,480
so there's the slant of him complaining about Taylor Jenkins

1454
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,840
and missing the point of what Taylor Jenkins was complaining about.

1455
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,800
So I just don't find that everyone has their bias.

1456
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,880
But when it's just you're so when you have like

1457
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,159
a financial allegiance or like financial interest in just I

1458
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:18,480
don't know, but I'm not I'm concerned. But it's more about, okay,

1459
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,360
the fragility of this core than do I think there's

1460
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,519
gonna and maybe there is some leadership stuff behind the scenes,

1461
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:25,719
but like if Tyrese Maxie feels in bolden enough to

1462
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:27,519
say something, I would view that as encouraging.

1463
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 3: That's good. Yeah, that's good for sure.

1464
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,639
Speaker 2: If if embiid can can be told that, like, that's

1465
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:35,480
that's better than the alternative where like not only is

1466
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:38,360
your best player like not doing the best and from

1467
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,639
a tone setting example, but also you can't tell him

1468
01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:42,960
shit like that's that's the double whammie where you have

1469
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,960
a real problem. So yeah, I would concede that it

1470
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,599
is a positive that Maxi is able to do that

1471
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:51,079
and embiid can at least say, you know, outwardly be

1472
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:54,760
receptive and accountable. I just it's a problem this deep

1473
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,360
into a really great player's career that like this is

1474
01:03:57,559 --> 01:03:59,679
this is the stuff we're dealing with, Like he's not

1475
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:02,199
a good leader, Like that's that stands out to me.

1476
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:03,039
Speaker 3: I'm flagging.

1477
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:05,119
Speaker 2: I'm putting a flag in like that is a real

1478
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:06,599
concern for me going forward.

1479
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. I guess I'm more inclined to

1480
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,519
say the team obviously would then know this is an issue,

1481
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:13,639
and the fact that they've done nothing to address it.

1482
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,280
This is more of like a Sixers issue than a

1483
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,079
Joelle beat issue because he's then been enabled.

1484
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: And yes, and the health part of it is a factor,

1485
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,360
because if he's healthy and playing well like this, this

1486
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,719
is we're not discussing this like that's just it's it's

1487
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,039
not on.

1488
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,519
Speaker 1: The time, which, by the way, I just want to rehampasize.

1489
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:31,880
There's always we saw it in the Olympics where it's

1490
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,519
like he was slow to ramped up, look out of shape.

1491
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:34,719
He wasn't great by the end of it, but he

1492
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:37,199
did play better. He's just going to play better. He

1493
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:39,360
plays his way into shape. Like we how many times

1494
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,400
have we seen this movie before? Grant like we we

1495
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:45,519
know it's gonna happen. Next up, the big one, Lindy

1496
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:47,840
Water is the third. This was tough would you go with?

1497
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:49,079
Speaker 3: When you put this on here?

1498
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:52,679
Speaker 2: I was like, really, yeah, he gets his own grade.

1499
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:56,239
It's just like it's he's cooled off and hasn't had well.

1500
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,000
I forget which game it was, but we were both

1501
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:00,719
just I was over the it was like, this is

1502
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,280
hilarious that the Warriors got this guy as a thirteenth man.

1503
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,639
He's a he's like a seventh man on a good team.

1504
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: He's been great. Give him an a. It's just a

1505
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,039
good story.

1506
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,119
Speaker 1: I mean he has like a couple of highlight like

1507
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,719
blocks and steals and that he just he's thrown some

1508
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,760
nifty passes and it's an A. I mean he would honestly,

1509
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,960
I think he should be the fourth man on the Warriors.

1510
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,840
So the actual Golden State Warriors editions Buddy Heel, Danty

1511
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,159
Meltonin who's now going to miss the rest of the

1512
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:31,519
season after ACL surgery, and then Kylee Anderson. I mean,

1513
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,480
but we could get into the grades here before I'm

1514
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,880
just gonna throw them up. We both gave them an A.

1515
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,840
I don't know how you go any other direction. I

1516
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,320
will say, if you wanted to go the route of well,

1517
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,679
danieultains gonna miss the season, wasn't available. They knew would

1518
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:47,440
be injured. They burned their whole mid level on him.

1519
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,239
Two things, One like that's enough of a salary to

1520
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,280
where like if you're happy with how his rehabit is

1521
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,480
going like you just bring him back and that'll be easy.

1522
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,559
Or you now have this expiring contract for a guy

1523
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:00,719
you know, yes he's valuable, but he's not gonna play.

1524
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,360
So now that makes it easier to move in a trade,

1525
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,000
which I thought was smart at the time to to

1526
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,960
have the sort of middle rung salary to move where

1527
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,920
it's like, oh, that's a like twelve point nine million,

1528
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:10,920
twelve point eight whatever.

1529
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,519
Speaker 2: It is, and it's a trade exception too, essentially right,

1530
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,679
like because that that's part of the new CBAS teams

1531
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,000
have a mid level sized trade exception. So like, your

1532
01:06:19,079 --> 01:06:21,199
options are all over the place with you know who

1533
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:23,760
they can get for him? Tell me, yes, who have

1534
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:24,559
I been begging for?

1535
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:24,639
Speaker 1: That?

1536
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,039
Speaker 3: Is this an RW three situation?

1537
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,079
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, which would be great, And so yeah that

1538
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,800
that it sucks, like he's just a guy just has

1539
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,960
the story of his career has been health issues and

1540
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,800
it's it was a back up until now and now

1541
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,280
it's like, oh, we have a actually an acute like

1542
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:40,920
you know, lower extremity injury.

1543
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 3: That's a problem. Not great. He was good.

1544
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:46,239
Speaker 2: He was not the best of their new acquisitions. I

1545
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:50,239
don't think Buddy heals just like made every three.

1546
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 3: Uh. And by the way, like he is, he's not the.

1547
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: Answer to like ah, the Warriors need that second option,

1548
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,840
you know, the secondary like a plus school or that's

1549
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,079
just gonna break defenses like that kind of thing.

1550
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,119
Speaker 3: Who they hope Kaming is gonna.

1551
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,199
Speaker 2: Be, which doesn't look like he is or who Paul

1552
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:09,599
George might have been or Markingen might have been. But

1553
01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:16,000
heals like his sheer ability to run around at breakneck

1554
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:19,719
speed all the time and shoot it every time without fail.

1555
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,559
If he's remotely open, like it's almost an offense by itself,

1556
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:25,599
to the point where like the Warriors can put lineups

1557
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:28,840
on the floor which include nobody that threatens a defense

1558
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,639
off the dribble. But if healed is out there just

1559
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:34,559
like bending things by running around and hunting shots, like

1560
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,639
it just works because everybody else is playing hard and

1561
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:40,159
looking for him, and that makes the defense overreact and

1562
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:43,000
you get back cut layups from everybody. Yet, like he

1563
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:46,440
really is kind Now this works because he is shooting

1564
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,360
threes at a higher per one hundred possession rate than

1565
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,679
Steph Curry, which is insane. He's at fifteen point five

1566
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:55,199
attempts per hundred steps. At fifteen it's a small difference,

1567
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:58,039
but like nobody is ever around Steph's level in that

1568
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,000
in that respect, making forty five percent of them, he's

1569
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:06,920
just been uh Like it's I could never have imagined

1570
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,280
that Buddy Held could be like an offense unto himself

1571
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,199
type of guy in a bench role, but like that's.

1572
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 3: Really what's happened.

1573
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,359
Speaker 2: He he allows for you know units that it's like

1574
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:19,880
Gary Payton the second and Pajemski and Looney and Kyle

1575
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,359
Anderson and like that's a dog shit offensive lineup unless

1576
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,640
Buddy Heeld is out there like causing trouble everywhere he goes.

1577
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,680
So like his fit, his numbers, like all of it

1578
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,439
has just been like way beyond the most possibly the

1579
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,039
most optimistic expectations you could have had.

1580
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: Right, I would argue, so we haven't seen a ton

1581
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,840
of slow mo like in this as your big role,

1582
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,119
and then I could get muddied where Jonathan coming is

1583
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,319
in those minutes. But whenever I've seen it happen and

1584
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,319
Buddy Heel's not out there, I'm just well, what are

1585
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,560
we doing? Like that is the because the offense I

1586
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,439
think actually when last time I checked, when SloMo is

1587
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,680
at center their offensive, like the second percent so I

1588
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:54,840
was like Buddy Hill would think.

1589
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:57,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, no, I just get Buddy out there.

1590
01:08:57,159 --> 01:08:59,520
Speaker 1: I've actually had the thought, but it's an a. I mean,

1591
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:00,760
like by the way they have him on like this

1592
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,920
crazy team friendly contract, just yeah, how far he fell

1593
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,479
from what Indiana accepted to get him, like get rid

1594
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,800
of him. We're like, what is going on here? To

1595
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,000
what we know? He turned down an extension from Indiana,

1596
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:14,199
then go to Philly and be basically buried on the bench,

1597
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:16,279
not play well at a couple of posies moments that

1598
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:18,359
end up on the Warriors, and just like a deal

1599
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:22,600
that only has two years fully guaranteed. I actually had

1600
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,560
the thought like if you're the Warriors, I don't think

1601
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,000
you could because you're trying to win now. But like

1602
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:30,119
some of these teams, Denver comes calling with like Zeke

1603
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,239
Najy and salary in a twenty thirty one first round

1604
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:33,319
pick to get Buddy Heal.

1605
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,239
Speaker 3: There's just like I'm not training him for that, kidding me.

1606
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,399
Speaker 1: Not even twenty thirty one first round pick from a team.

1607
01:09:39,159 --> 01:09:41,880
But I'm just he's been great for them. So I

1608
01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:44,279
and I think what's helped is so obviously the three

1609
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:47,159
point volume and accuracy yes, but it just going from

1610
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:49,800
someone in Kway Thompson to where there's that history and

1611
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,640
you feel obligated to play him to someone who like

1612
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,640
you've explained to him how your minutes are gonna fluctuate,

1613
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,600
like it's gonna like that's been huge for Golden State too.

1614
01:09:58,079 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: He hasn't been bad defensively. He runs like crazy in transition.

1615
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,560
It's all this stuff, like I feel like everybody knows

1616
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,920
Buddy Heal. The stat you hear every broadcast is like

1617
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,800
he's made more threes over the last five years than

1618
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,279
anyone including Steph, Like we know that he's just a

1619
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:15,199
great shoot. Though yeah it was stuffs terrible. You can't

1620
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,119
even get up fifteen and a half threes fer hundred.

1621
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:21,479
He's been a way more complete player and that it's

1622
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,920
just his effort level on defense has been better than

1623
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,159
I've ever seen it. It just makes you wonder, like

1624
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:30,560
what happened, Like why wasn't he doing this everywhere he's been.

1625
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,760
I think it's part of it's the system. Part of

1626
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,239
its you know, the transition chances the Warriors create by

1627
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,319
deflecting and getting steels and stuff, which before we move

1628
01:10:39,359 --> 01:10:42,319
on the Kyle Anderson part, of it, like that guy.

1629
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:46,279
I mean, having seen Andrea Goudala hands for several years,

1630
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:49,439
like Kyle Anderson's hands are insane, like the way he

1631
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,439
like he just rips guards, like with the poke away

1632
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,880
in the open court, he gets strips down down underneath.

1633
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,760
His ability to like tip rebounds to himself. He's just

1634
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,439
if that guy were like a C plus athlete, he

1635
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,560
would be just the great, like a superstar.

1636
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: But but what he's able to.

1637
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:10,159
Speaker 2: Do with his hands and like his brain, he's looked

1638
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,199
incredible and he hasn't made His three point shooting is terrible.

1639
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:15,720
Like other than a couple of games, he's still been

1640
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,039
so positively impactful. His two blocks per hundreds best on

1641
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:20,920
the team, not saying a ton, there's not all the

1642
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,840
shop blockers there eight assists per one hundred is the

1643
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,359
third best on the team. So Anderson has not had

1644
01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:29,359
the flash of healed, but like low Key, his impact

1645
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:33,399
defensively and as a playmaker he's been. He's been way

1646
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:34,560
better than I would have expected to.

1647
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 1: These two dudes that like melt when he was healthy, like,

1648
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,119
they're part of the reason, not just why Golden State

1649
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:40,720
is deep, but why when we talked about the type

1650
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,479
of trade, Golden State would need to solidify their contention.

1651
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,880
It's no longer we still don't know what the player

1652
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,079
is or who it needs to be develop but it's

1653
01:11:47,119 --> 01:11:50,000
no longer oh, it has to be a top fifteen

1654
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,840
to twenty guy. Like they are part of the reason

1655
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:56,439
why that that perception has shifted. Yeah, we are onto

1656
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:02,439
ACP noting threes at the moment. I think a lot

1657
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,399
of that Orlando spacing can still be wonky. I think

1658
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:07,359
he's been good to great for them defensively, like he

1659
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:10,239
will still fight there getting older. That's something to consider.

1660
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,439
I think if you were expecting him to kind of

1661
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,119
we were excited when they signed him. Was kind of

1662
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:16,600
the first big move a free agency. We thought it

1663
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,840
portended like kind of more aggressive. Are they gonna go

1664
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,359
out and get an initiator now they did not. They

1665
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:23,920
have Franz Wagner, who we might have to do some

1666
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,359
maya copa's on franz Wagner.

1667
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 2: We might have to talk about how his extension looks

1668
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:28,800
about as good as anybody's.

1669
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,359
Speaker 3: But Evan Mobleys.

1670
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: Someone already commented on that thing. When I get like

1671
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,439
the notifications, this didn't age well. Two weeks later, Okay, awesome,

1672
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,439
Like that's we're in the business of takes. We're gonna

1673
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,680
be I like when people like, gotcha, you were wrong, awesome.

1674
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,960
I've been pretty disappointed with him in offense with him offensively.

1675
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:49,359
Where are you at?

1676
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,039
Speaker 2: I'm I'm there, just because like, this is a three

1677
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:56,760
and D shooting guard slash wing that is on a

1678
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,560
team that has more than enough great defenders. So if

1679
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:02,680
the three is not falling, which it is not, I've

1680
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,199
met twenty three percent on the year, is that you have.

1681
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 1: Your own do you have like your own proprietary data.

1682
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 3: Or actually around it up as twenty two nine, I

1683
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,279
was trying to be kind of that that's the.

1684
01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:18,279
Speaker 2: One thing that Orlando really needed more so than the defense,

1685
01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:21,079
because like, you have Jalen Suggs, you have Jonathan Isaac,

1686
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:23,199
you have Anthony Black, you have like do you have

1687
01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:25,960
plenty of that? So if you're not making threes, it's

1688
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,640
not it's not just that you're you're not You're technically

1689
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,399
you're not delivering like half of what the magic wanted

1690
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:33,960
you for. You're not delivering the thing that they really

1691
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,399
really needed of the two. So so I'm pretty low

1692
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,439
on this. I was actually even lower until I kind

1693
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,359
of decided, like I can't, I can't just give an fuh,

1694
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,840
but I just you wouldn't go, wow, I know, well,

1695
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:50,640
I feel that strongly about like Orlando needed shooting and

1696
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,319
scoring and he's just not delivering that. So it's partly situational.

1697
01:13:54,319 --> 01:13:55,600
But I gave him a D and you got to

1698
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,279
see minus.

1699
01:13:56,399 --> 01:13:59,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the look. The thing that I think can

1700
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,439
give you is he is shooting under twenty five percent

1701
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:03,680
on wide open threes.

1702
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,199
Speaker 3: It'll get better, yeah.

1703
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 1: So but that's just the reason you like, if you

1704
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,000
took him off this team, they're still one of the

1705
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:11,680
best defenses in the league. I would he.

1706
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,239
Speaker 2: Hasn't made a difference really, right, like because they can

1707
01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:16,439
just substitute the defense that he provides from.

1708
01:14:16,359 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: Other Jalen Subbs feels like he's like it's definitely helped.

1709
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,960
It's made everyone else's life easier. But you didn't need

1710
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,560
to do that, right And it's not like Jalen Suggs

1711
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,960
has parlayed his life being streamlined on the defensive end. Oh,

1712
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:32,039
Like he's made this huge offensive efficiency leap, Like he's

1713
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:33,760
at what is he at from three? He's been pretty

1714
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,199
low this season? Is and he's still low lest I misremembering,

1715
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:38,199
So I just been pretty good on drives though, but

1716
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:40,159
neither here nor there. Yeah, I think as of right

1717
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,239
now this signing has not panned out, but I think

1718
01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:45,319
it'll get better. But the signing grant Russell Westbrook, so

1719
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:46,800
for the minimum, by the way, for.

1720
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 2: The minimum, And I think like this is another situational

1721
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,960
one where you can't just focus on well, you'll get

1722
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:54,800
just been out for personal reasons.

1723
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 3: So like it just I think in.

1724
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 2: General his ability to be like a decent innings eater

1725
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,439
and a better facilitator really than I would have thought. Uh,

1726
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,680
just coming off the last few years of his career,

1727
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:10,279
he has the highest assisted usage rate that he that

1728
01:15:10,319 --> 01:15:14,039
he's seen since the Washington days those all those the

1729
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:17,239
House I in days of Russell Westbrook Washington Wizard, which

1730
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:19,600
is still something and second highest of his career. So

1731
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,960
it's like assisting usage just the shorthand is like how

1732
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:25,640
much do you have the ball measured against?

1733
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,319
Speaker 3: How often are you logging assists?

1734
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:29,520
Speaker 2: And so like if the criticism of Westbrook is that

1735
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,880
always pounding the dribble or always just like going into

1736
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,319
you know, driving to nowhere and nothing's happening. I think

1737
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:37,960
he's been like more efficient as a creator, I guess

1738
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,840
is the way that I would view that stat that

1739
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,600
you're getting more facilitation out of him per you know,

1740
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,640
minute or per whatever unit of.

1741
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,079
Speaker 3: Measurement you want to assign a touch time. So that's

1742
01:15:47,079 --> 01:15:47,640
a positive.

1743
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 2: And he's been the good energy all this. Like I'm

1744
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,039
not a Westbrook fan, anyone who's listened to us talk

1745
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:55,920
about him. It's just like I think he's been He's

1746
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:57,600
done more harm than good in a lot of his

1747
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,720
most recent stops. I think he's been like very helpful

1748
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,239
for what Denver needs. And part of that's like their

1749
01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:06,479
bench just doesn't have guys that make stuff happen with

1750
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,399
the ball or you know, Christian Brown is in the

1751
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:11,520
starting lineup now, he kind of occupied that role, but

1752
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,640
he wasn't a facilitator. So I'm actually feeling like pretty

1753
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,720
decent about the Westbrook experience, which if you're talking about,

1754
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,760
like what am I most surprised by out of all these,

1755
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,920
that might be it that I'm feeling okay about it.

1756
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think if you're gonna get he's still

1757
01:16:24,279 --> 01:16:27,520
shooting very poorly around the basket. Yeah, him and Jamal

1758
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,199
Murray now have a positive net rating with Yokich off

1759
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:33,319
the floor. We'll see if that holds. I think look

1760
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,680
the off the floor stuff too. Players really seem to

1761
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,640
value and respect him, including Nicole Yokitch, which is super

1762
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,880
important matters. I think it's been not it's been better

1763
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,279
than I expected, which is to say it hasn't been detrimental.

1764
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:46,479
I just don't view it as what he's doing. And

1765
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,239
he's even helping them with urgency after rebounds, like they're

1766
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:51,159
gonna push the pace more if he's on the court.

1767
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,760
I think that there's value in that. I just don't

1768
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,000
know that he's actually elevated the play of this team.

1769
01:16:57,199 --> 01:16:59,319
But I also like he hasn't It matters that he

1770
01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:01,479
hasn't Necessarily the on off splits are gonna say that

1771
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,319
he has hurt them, but it's like when you're juxtaposing

1772
01:17:03,319 --> 01:17:06,640
those against yo Kic non yokicch minutes, what what are

1773
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,119
you gonna do? Yeah, so this has been better than

1774
01:17:09,159 --> 01:17:12,199
I expected. But I'm also slightly concerned that, oh, are

1775
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:15,920
they gonna need him to be like a postseason contributor

1776
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,319
because defenses are gonna change the way they go. Like

1777
01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:21,880
even now you're seeing them like put bigs on him

1778
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,960
or so you just get into some weird like sort

1779
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,640
of lineup structure problems when you get into the postseason. But

1780
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,479
I think for now, just as an innings eater, he's

1781
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:30,840
been he's been really good for them.

1782
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think for me.

1783
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:37,279
Speaker 2: You you mentioned it, like I I was pretty convinced

1784
01:17:37,279 --> 01:17:40,479
that he would have like zero utility on this team,

1785
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,279
like I wasn't sold and always going to become a

1786
01:17:42,319 --> 01:17:44,800
cutter and all, you know, always going to inject energy

1787
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:45,359
on defense.

1788
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,199
Speaker 3: It's like, all right, I've seen enough.

1789
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,279
Speaker 2: I don't believe it, and he kind of has so,

1790
01:17:49,279 --> 01:17:52,039
so like it's a B minus. And just because I'm

1791
01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:54,199
starting from a baseline of like I didn't think he

1792
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:56,000
was gonna help at all, Like I thought he would

1793
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,000
be actively detrimental, and he's.

1794
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,359
Speaker 3: Actually like he's had some value.

1795
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,199
Speaker 1: He who really hasn't had value for them. Dario Sharz.

1796
01:18:04,279 --> 01:18:07,520
Speaker 3: That was also in line with expectations.

1797
01:18:07,039 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 1: We are on too well. I thought we're gonna get

1798
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,119
to a better one. This one sucks because I love

1799
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:16,119
Denny avia I don't and I think, look, you're not

1800
01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:18,600
gonna see it. So he's actually the passing numbers aren't

1801
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,840
up because you need dudes to make shots to get assists.

1802
01:18:22,399 --> 01:18:24,199
They're not doing that in Portland. For Danny AVI right now,

1803
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,800
he's actually aving more potential assists for thirty six minutes.

1804
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:29,439
I just don't know. The defense has been good, the

1805
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,520
rebounding is good. He will help them push the pace.

1806
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:34,479
I still think he's fantasy and he is so versatile

1807
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,279
on the defense, and I can't emphasize that enough. Maybe

1808
01:18:37,279 --> 01:18:40,720
the three point shooting comes around. I don't understand, even

1809
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,840
though I'm optimistic on Danny Avia and I could have

1810
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,439
gone lower here, why did you give up what you

1811
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,239
did for Denny Avia if this is how you were

1812
01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:49,079
gonna use him, or if this is the supporting cast

1813
01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:52,119
you were gonna stick with. I want to give Portland

1814
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:54,239
the benefit of the doubt through the trade deadline to say, Okay,

1815
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:56,520
the makeup of their team will look different, but as

1816
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,640
of right now, and they have just a bunch of dudes.

1817
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:02,680
There's what do you call him stacked? They're sneakally stacked,

1818
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,840
even though they're not one of the best teams. I

1819
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,520
don't love the way that they're using Denny AVII on offense.

1820
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,239
Speaker 2: I so it's funny in my notes, I also had God,

1821
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,880
I love this guy, like right before my shitty grade.

1822
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,399
Speaker 3: I still he is.

1823
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:20,239
Speaker 2: A really really extreme example of like he's just a

1824
01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:22,560
make or miss player because he does so many things

1825
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,039
I really love on both ends. And if the ball

1826
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:26,640
doesn't go in, which it hasn't. I got him at

1827
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,880
thirty six percent from the field twenty six from deep, like,

1828
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,880
it's just that's that's not an even with all the

1829
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,079
other stuff he does, that's just not enough. And if

1830
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:37,359
he were forty six thirty six instead of thirty six

1831
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,720
twenty six on his shooting splits and'd be like, yeh

1832
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,840
a minus, think that's that's you know, or something like that.

1833
01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:45,319
I think it's gonna get better. I still believe in

1834
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:47,199
him as a really good two way threat.

1835
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,119
Speaker 3: It just the ball's not going in. Like I'd love

1836
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:52,439
to have more like Trenchent analysis than that.

1837
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,359
Speaker 2: But if you can't be shooting under forty percent from

1838
01:19:55,359 --> 01:19:56,880
the field and thirty percent from three and get a

1839
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:57,640
good grade.

1840
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, I think the biggest thing, and this

1841
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,479
is this is not him to some extent too, because

1842
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,520
you'd like him to be more dynamic, Like there's just

1843
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,119
when he's in the lane, there's just not the room

1844
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:08,920
to operate that he even had in Washington, Like you're seeing,

1845
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,600
I think he's shooting like fifty two percent at the

1846
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,920
rim or something ridiculously bed and twenty six percent from

1847
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:18,239
float range, and so like that's it. I when I

1848
01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:19,560
look at that, I feel like it's more of an

1849
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,279
issue of the environment in which he's playing, not that

1850
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:24,479
the Blazers are a dysfunctional team, but more so that

1851
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,239
this is not a team that I mean you see

1852
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:27,920
with Scoot, you see with other guys on the team,

1853
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,399
where's you're not going to maximize their efficiency when you

1854
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,199
have such poor spacing in general around them.

1855
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,279
Speaker 2: I think what doubly concerns me is like this sort

1856
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:38,560
of was the question with him, Like really was the

1857
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,720
shooting from last year legit? Or is he going to

1858
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,880
go back to being the guy that we always would say,

1859
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:44,600
like how if he could just make more shots?

1860
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 3: Like what a player this is?

1861
01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean the Washington percent is closer

1862
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,000
to his career average than the thirty eight percent he

1863
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:51,960
shot last year.

1864
01:20:52,119 --> 01:20:54,119
Speaker 2: So that's that's the worry, is like we had the

1865
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:56,000
outlier year and now this is just kind of what

1866
01:20:56,079 --> 01:20:58,600
he is. He's still young enough, and like just the

1867
01:20:59,119 --> 01:21:01,159
fact that the flash was in there for a year.

1868
01:21:01,319 --> 01:21:03,479
It's like, okay, it's I'm not giving up by any stretch.

1869
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 3: I just it is.

1870
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 2: It is a It worries me a little extra when

1871
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,840
like the flaw that is showing up is the exact

1872
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,119
flaw that was kind of the concern for a long time.

1873
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:14,840
So I'm giving him a d I feel terrible again.

1874
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,399
We've rehipsided several times. Love we loved any of you.

1875
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: And it's also this is as of now, like you

1876
01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:21,840
give me the argument for not like I might. It's

1877
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,439
give me the argument for being a lot better as

1878
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,520
of right now in this moment. And I'm gonna tell

1879
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,359
you the argument. If you want to go see and

1880
01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:30,520
say this is what you expected, okay, Vine, but that you.

1881
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 3: Don't love him like we do. If this is what

1882
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,079
you expected, get out of.

1883
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: Here, Dyson Daniels. This is looking pretty good, I will say.

1884
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,359
But like we always knew that he could be this

1885
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:46,720
shutdown defender. I think he's done offensively when and they've

1886
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,840
used him kind of in those like point guard situations.

1887
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,880
We saw that a little bit in New Orleans. The

1888
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,760
biggest difference I see from him is that he is

1889
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,359
more physical, better at finishing through contact. His takeoff points

1890
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,239
aren't his ballouty sometimes, like we always knew he kind

1891
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,640
of had that floater, but like he's coming at it

1892
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,560
from different angles now and just seems more confident. He's

1893
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,399
also not settling for the float, like he will go

1894
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,199
and try and finish at the basket more. And I

1895
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:12,680
think that is big time for the Hawks. And I

1896
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,239
also think, you know, we just mentioned with the Blazers

1897
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:18,439
the benefit of spacing Grant like Atlanta does have a

1898
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,199
better spatial structure than he was working with in a

1899
01:22:21,239 --> 01:22:24,840
lot of his New Orleans lineups. Now, do I expect

1900
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:30,039
him to shoot sixty plus percent on floaters forever? No?

1901
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,039
And that's why I think the grade right now is

1902
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:34,920
good the theory of what it does for the Hawks

1903
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,319
moving forward, where it's oh, like you have him and

1904
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,760
Zachary Red like we're dealing with some two perimeter building

1905
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,920
blocks now, Jalen Johnson's there still of Trey Young, like

1906
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,000
there's a lot of stuff you could do. I still

1907
01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:48,039
don't know how he's best deployed on offense, because if

1908
01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:51,239
you want to use him in higher volume alongside Trey Young.

1909
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,119
The progression of Trey Young doing more away from the ball,

1910
01:22:54,119 --> 01:22:56,479
which Quinn Snyder says, has been a focus that will

1911
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,840
need to continue exponentially because I don't the alternati would

1912
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,199
be Dyson Daniels is going to become a threat as

1913
01:23:02,199 --> 01:23:04,239
a jump shooter, and like, even now he looks a

1914
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:07,079
little bit more comfortable getting them off. I haven't seen

1915
01:23:07,079 --> 01:23:09,720
anything that makes me think defenses are close to caring.

1916
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:13,239
Speaker 2: No the offense, even though this has been by far

1917
01:23:13,319 --> 01:23:15,880
his best offensive season, both in terms of volume and

1918
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,000
just how it looks. I do you know that was

1919
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:20,520
the that is what everyone's focused on, Like he's shooting

1920
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,520
him he looks more confident, and then it's like, well,

1921
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,560
it's also just not making anything. I don't know what

1922
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,640
the offense is gonna look like. It's just the way

1923
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,640
that he moves around and the way that he tries

1924
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,439
to score is like, I just that doesn't seem comfortable.

1925
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,199
That's like just not what he's out there to do.

1926
01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:39,159
Even though the results have been better, he's averaged just

1927
01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:42,439
under fifteen a game. I went really high on this

1928
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,920
grade because I I think this guy, if he's not

1929
01:23:47,039 --> 01:23:50,680
already is just gonna be in the conversation for years

1930
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,960
as like he's just the best perimeter defender in the NBA.

1931
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,000
Like it just I you know, the numbers are insane,

1932
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:01,079
the deflections, the steel, like he he's probably he's probably

1933
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:03,800
not gonna do it, but like he really might finish

1934
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,600
with like the a top five like total steals season

1935
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,359
in NBA history, Like there's some insane numbers, like over

1936
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,800
three hundred steels is the is the all time record,

1937
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,119
Like that's you just can't get unless you have a

1938
01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:16,359
very friendly home scorer.

1939
01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 3: You just like can't get there. I don't think in

1940
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:18,640
the modern era.

1941
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 2: But he's leading the league at over three per game,

1942
01:24:21,319 --> 01:24:23,319
and the deflections are unbelievable.

1943
01:24:23,319 --> 01:24:25,159
Speaker 3: If you watch a game of him.

1944
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 2: They just played the Warriors and he was on Steph Curry,

1945
01:24:28,119 --> 01:24:31,079
and I've never seen anyone make it look harder for

1946
01:24:31,119 --> 01:24:34,079
Steph to get open and let and do couldn't do

1947
01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:36,039
anything with the ball, like in a straight one on

1948
01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:38,520
one matchup. It's just like he is so smothering the

1949
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,239
reach from behind, like poke away steals, Like I've never

1950
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:45,760
seen anyone get away with doing that as often as

1951
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,680
he does. Like it's a real weapon, like you beat

1952
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,640
Dyson Daniels and you're and he's it's like a Chuck

1953
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:50,239
Norris thing.

1954
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,079
Speaker 3: It's like if you if you can see what's the joke?

1955
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 2: Like, if you can see Chuck Norris, Uh, he can

1956
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,560
see you, and if you can't see him, you're seconds

1957
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,800
from death. It's like, if you you've gotten around Dyson Daniels,

1958
01:25:02,039 --> 01:25:04,319
you're you're still fucked. Like he's just gonna poke it

1959
01:25:04,359 --> 01:25:07,199
away like you. You don't ever actually beat him. So

1960
01:25:07,239 --> 01:25:08,239
he's an A minus for me.

1961
01:25:08,319 --> 01:25:09,199
Speaker 3: You've got the same grade.

1962
01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:12,119
Speaker 2: I just like anytime you have someone that might be

1963
01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:14,840
the best at a at a thing, which in this

1964
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,119
case is perimeter defense, which is super valuable. It's just

1965
01:25:18,199 --> 01:25:20,199
it's got to be an a range grade. I that's

1966
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:23,119
acknowledging the offense. I think is a little suspect.

1967
01:25:23,039 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: Right, And I this grade could go down then because

1968
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,000
if you have that guy, but he becomes such a

1969
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:31,279
like ultra specific fit, that becomes difficult to build around

1970
01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:33,279
him or put him in a larger context. I will say,

1971
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,840
and again, he was just used in New Orleans, different

1972
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,319
his role was smaller. I think in Atlanta. He's not

1973
01:25:38,359 --> 01:25:41,079
fair good in these situations. But like using him as

1974
01:25:41,079 --> 01:25:43,520
the screener more like, I really think he's strong and

1975
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,520
he's big, so I really feel like that could be

1976
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,359
sort of a future ramwhere hey, if you if you

1977
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:49,079
can use him as a primary ball handler or a

1978
01:25:49,079 --> 01:25:51,119
screener and he just never has the jump shot, that

1979
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:52,960
ends up being like a super positive player.

1980
01:25:53,039 --> 01:25:55,520
Speaker 2: You can use him like Draymond if you want, Like

1981
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,560
he's just up there doing handoffs and stuff, and he's

1982
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,800
six ' eight and can guard four positions pretty com

1983
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,039
like there's he's so good on defense that you just

1984
01:26:03,119 --> 01:26:05,680
like you gotta find a way to just like how

1985
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,920
whatever his offensive role ultimately looks like you've got to

1986
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:08,840
keep him on the floor.

1987
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: And it's the fact that even if you think you

1988
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,840
would have preferred the Hawks to prioritize picks, the fact

1989
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,960
that they could have I'm not saying he's going to

1990
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,479
be a star, but you could look at them and say,

1991
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,760
like they might have four building block type players. Daniels

1992
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:22,479
is one of them. You didn't view him in that

1993
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:23,960
vein when you acquired.

1994
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,239
Speaker 2: Him, No, no, no, no, yeah, he's it's just like, god,

1995
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:27,319
he's so good defensively.

1996
01:26:28,119 --> 01:26:31,199
Speaker 1: We close things with Chris Paul great, how you feel

1997
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:32,399
about him and Dan Antonio.

1998
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 2: I mean real quick, the like, oh, he's gonna get

1999
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:39,159
Wemby seven pick and roll dunks a game that hasn't manifested,

2000
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,560
but very interesting article on ESPN. I forget it might

2001
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,319
have been Michael Wright. I can't remember who wrote it.

2002
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:47,239
The stat in there just talking about kind of like

2003
01:26:47,279 --> 01:26:50,000
the versatility of the This is partly attribute old to Wemby,

2004
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,960
but like the versatility with which Paul is getting him

2005
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,920
the ball. He's assisted on ninety eight of Wemby's two

2006
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,720
undred ninety five points this season. That's the most assisted

2007
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,239
by one passer two one score in the league this year.

2008
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,199
So like he's delivering, just not exactly in the way

2009
01:27:04,359 --> 01:27:07,119
that was expected. The balls going in enough as a

2010
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:10,520
jump shooter, Uh, just under forty percent. It's three point volume,

2011
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,840
I'm sorry, five five a game.

2012
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's huge.

2013
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: No, he's he's been better than I expected, and but

2014
01:27:18,039 --> 01:27:20,000
just not in the way that I expected, because the

2015
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,720
Spurs aren't spamming pick and rolls that get Wemby dunks.

2016
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:24,399
Speaker 3: But it's still working there.

2017
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,079
Speaker 1: Look, Stefan Castle learning under him too is just terrifying.

2018
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 3: Like I'm just coming to get step Castle pot at

2019
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:31,520
some point I'm in.

2020
01:27:32,119 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, how do you not give this

2021
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,760
an A like that're just the impact he's having on

2022
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,239
those dudes, and then it's he's an expiring salary if

2023
01:27:40,239 --> 01:27:41,880
it doesn't work out and he seems to be happy

2024
01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:43,640
and they're not like near the top of the West.

2025
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,720
I know they're still in it. I love, but I

2026
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,560
we probably could have given it today. We gave it

2027
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,079
a be. I gave it a B, but the.

2028
01:27:51,359 --> 01:27:53,199
Speaker 2: Sprits I got a B plus. I don't know what

2029
01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:55,159
you're talking what spreadsheet you're looking at.

2030
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 3: He's been really good.

2031
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: I like this is another one of those that like,

2032
01:27:59,359 --> 01:28:01,359
is this going to be sustainable? Can't he hold up

2033
01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:03,640
at this age for the full season? Maybe not, but

2034
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,079
just to this point he's been hugely helpful, and in

2035
01:28:07,079 --> 01:28:09,880
particular to Victor Wembiniama, which is the only thing that

2036
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,439
matters in terms of like your impact on the Spurs

2037
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,039
at this point.

2038
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 1: That is all we have the time to get to.

2039
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,399
Apologies to Tobias Harris Malik Beasley. I do feel bad

2040
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:21,439
that we skipped Tias Jones. We did both give him.

2041
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,319
I'll spoil that one. We gave Tias Jones the B

2042
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,279
yeah for Phoenix, which I feel like you gave him

2043
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:28,159
a B minus. I think that that's been the experience

2044
01:28:28,199 --> 01:28:31,039
as expected. I do like very very quickly that they

2045
01:28:31,119 --> 01:28:33,279
have not felt obligated to necessarily have him in like

2046
01:28:33,319 --> 01:28:36,079
the most important crunch timeline upright all the time, because

2047
01:28:36,079 --> 01:28:36,880
that was a big concern.

2048
01:28:37,279 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 3: That's the only reason I didn't go higher.

2049
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: Is like, all this is great, all the seven to

2050
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,439
one assist to turn over, which is exactly what you

2051
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,399
sign up for with Tyas Jones, Like, but if he's

2052
01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:45,760
not going.

2053
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,039
Speaker 3: To be a closer necessarily.

2054
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 2: Like I can't go up to like a flat B

2055
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,640
er in a yeah for the minimum really solid just

2056
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,760
delivering this is this is the Tiat Jones experience. That's

2057
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,640
going to be the end of this experience. Grading a

2058
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,479
bunch of new faces in new places, all very much

2059
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,399
subject to change, but still a good way to kind

2060
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,479
of get a handle on on, you know, how things

2061
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:07,920
have gone.

2062
01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:10,039
Speaker 3: After we spend the off season talking.

2063
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: About who went where and what it's going to look like,

2064
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,159
we got some data now and it's nice to just

2065
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:16,079
kind of maybe we'll come back to this. Actually we

2066
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:18,880
should probably do an update at some point. Thanks everybody

2067
01:29:19,159 --> 01:29:21,920
for listening, for watching, for checking out my lumberjackshirt.

2068
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,159
Speaker 3: If you didn't watch, then too bad for you.

2069
01:29:24,279 --> 01:29:26,520
Speaker 1: The fact that you didn't procure an axe by the

2070
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,720
close of podcast, I'm just very I gave it. We

2071
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:30,680
get you had ninety minutes to do so, Sarah.

2072
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 2: Would we be concerned if I owned an axe that

2073
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,199
I could procure if you.

2074
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:37,279
Speaker 1: Had like a handheld ACX, Yeah, that that would concern

2075
01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:37,960
me a little bit.

2076
01:29:38,319 --> 01:29:40,039
Speaker 3: I have to check the garage that might be something

2077
01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:40,399
on there.

2078
01:29:41,279 --> 01:29:43,279
Speaker 2: If you haven't already, rate, review, subscribe, give us a

2079
01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:46,199
thumbs up, comment on YouTube, help you out, really love

2080
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:48,439
us back, Tell your friends about the podcast, tell your

2081
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2082
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Speaker 3: And shouts to Frank Nolkey and apologies to Jared aut