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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm going to talk about one of one

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of my favorite writers today.

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk about Werner Sombart, because Erner

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Sombart is an important theorist in his own right, and

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he's been a lot more impactful than people think, even

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Paul Johnson, who's as normy as can be normy coded.

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And don't get me wrong, because he's written some pretty

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good books. You know, I cite the History of Christianity

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not infrequently, he's too kind of similar books or a

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History of the American People, which if you notice, he

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wrote that as a director of Buttle that Howard is

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in this nonsense, and he wrote about a history of Christianity.

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The latter is better than the former, but the former

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is not bad. And especially on early American history sixteenth

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century to around the world in the States, it's pretty solid.

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But he, he of all people, cites Sombart. Obviously that's

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a qualifiably and I'll get into what I mean by

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that as we progress in this discussion, but my point

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is Sombart, he's yes, he's rather esoteric, owing to the

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school of of academic culture from where he emerged. But

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you know, he's there's a very wide spectrum of of

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intellectual endeavor where he had a very impactful you know,

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legacy and the term late capitalism specifically, but even capitalism

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entering into the conceptual and verbal lexicon that very much

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goes to Sombart. You know, if you read Dos capital

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as a kind of complete sociological phenomenon that very much

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owes to Sombart. And we'll get into why that is.

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In any event, a lot of the subs are asking

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me in part incidental discussion on substect chat about competing

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socialisms or you know, what the discursive environment was that

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Marxism conquered, as it were, because there was a very active,

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you know, discourse on the subject matter of socialism that

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really characterized European social thought. I'd argue probably from around

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the time at Edmund Burke until you know, really until

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Marks and Angles became active and disseminating their theories through

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mass dissemination of published material and not just within you know,

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university cloisters and things like that. But so people wanted to,

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you know, talk about that kind of stuff. And Werner Sombart.

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I think Werner Sombart and George Sorell if you're talking

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about if you're talking about the the new right as

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it existed in Europe, you know, the concertive revolutionaries and

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then the fascists and the national Socialists and myriad iterations,

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iterations of radical righteous thought from the turn of the

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twentieth century onward. You know, George Sorel and Werner Sombart,

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their impact can't be overstated. And Sombart generally, like I

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just said, I mean, I think cREL is important as

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an enduring significance, but that somebody is sooteric and that's

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somewhat ideologically coded in favor of certain conceptual sympathies. Sombart, Yeah,

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as the right is definitely conservative, I mean, is in

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the in the tradition of ficta, you know, he was,

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he was right wing in a sense, but there's a

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general relevance to sociology, political theory, and most sigamerantly political economy.

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and Marx was not competent in economics. Intrinsic to Marxism

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is a repudiation of conventional practice, which in of itself

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isn't That doesn't defeat its validity, but it can't be

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said to be an economic science, and there's a scientific

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aspect of economics. I don't put any great stock in

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economic modeling. I don't think that is a complete I

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don't think it creates a complete conceptual picture. I don't

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think the data yielded therein describes the totality of economic

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reality and the ontology ontological aspects they're in. But there

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point last time, and I'm sure people will say mean

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things about me on account of it that Marxist economists

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fervor about this idea that economic modeling is is is,

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you know, doesn't yield anything, and not just that it's

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it's almost immoral to resort to it, because the data

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yields corrupts, you know, conclusions that both camps begin with

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any anything that proports to be an economic science, but

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that begins with the conclusion isn't any such thing. But

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self evidence, okay. Ury Slivsky cited that directly and indirectly

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quite a bit in the Jewish century. He essentially agrees

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with the core thesis that capitalism and again Sombart was

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instrumental in coining capitalism is a conceptual signifier. So he

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and obviously Max Weber he attributed he's a lot a

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lot of what made him very successfully. He truded to Calvinism, okay,

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and the sociological aspects of it that tended to favor

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the creation of wealth and it's sort of active engagement,

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as commoners and not particularly prone to wealth creation. You know,

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The Jews and Modern Capitalism, that that's he wrote that

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and and prodes and Ethics, And I want to mostly

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focus on his book on the United States, but briefly,

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Sombart basically says that Jews were hostile to the guild system,

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and they were hostile to fix capital in lua fluid

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capital in a large part for political and social reasons,

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you know, because the guild system and the feudal system.

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of national economics such as you know, there were national

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economies in the Middle Ages and early Modern period. You know, instinctively,

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they had this antipathy to other modalities of economic life

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because that to them, that was acxiomatically associated with people

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who who despised them and oppress them. This wasn't even

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totally conscious, like some are is not saying. There was

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some rabbinic council that said, see, we we've got to

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do away with the leather workers guild because they're dirty goum.

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I mean, I'm sure some people thought that way, but

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you know, intrinsic to the Jewish rule of social existence

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was this antipathy, you know. And one of the reasons

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syndicalism took root in Europe. I think it was an

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attempt to repair the social fabric that people getting ripped

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out of by the collapse of the interdependence that characterized feudalism,

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you know. And that's one of the reasons why even

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left wing syndical is we're almost unfeelingly anti Jewish. You know.

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prejudiced irrationally or something. You know, the and anything and

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any kind of lay, any kind of mobilized labor concern

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that especially that which tends towards fixed capital and the

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idea of a self regulating kind of craft guild extrapolated

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to modern production means that especially tends to be just

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anti Jewish. Okay, you don't really have a counterpart for

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that in America, but you know, it's different than you know.

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even even in places like Hungary or like Romania where

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Jews didn't just have power in the Nasca and revolutionary

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movement on the you know, on on the on the

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kind of side of the pulling out the ranks of

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political soldiery, you know, like like the Czech on the

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Soviet Union. You know, in places like Hungary, and David

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Irvan makes a spongeable uprising from inception throughout you know there,

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there really was a Jewish cadre that kind of controlled

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the communist movement there. And despite their proletarian sensibilities, they

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were a hostile to traditional labor organizational modalities, like made

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no mistake, they wanted to replace it with something else,

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and being at begetting class warfare is not the same thing,

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you know, just to be clear, but that, like I said,

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I don't I don't want I don't want to deep

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dive into that book right now. But moving on the

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way to understand Sombar, this also relates to Marx because

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at the point I emphasized, as we've discussed marks, you've

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gotta understand where Mars was coming from, you know, not

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just in terms of his prejudices based on his own

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heritage and things that were intrinsic to his worldview. But

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theory and economics into this unitary body of of of

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theoretical research. That's that was the way that Germans did

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things and their traditional academy. This is kind of what

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succeeded scholasticism, you know, and that's that's one of the

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reasons why the traditional university system, I mean, it's traditional

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early modern period in Europe. But like what we what

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the foundation of historicism. Okay, it was the center the

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not just something that was kind of the domain a

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churchman and you know, people who were documenting, you know,

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the guys in the employee of political authorities were documenting

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military events and things. You know, history has a discreete

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domain of academic inquiry and you know, philosophically rigorous academic

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endeavor that that really came from the gut Engen culture,

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you know, and it was one of the newest universities

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seems ancient to us, but against most of the most

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icon of the universities like literally came out of the

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medieval Catholic Church. You know. That's one of the reason

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that there's no such thing as sectarian identities. But you know,

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the Church is anti intellectual. It's like, well, actually, like

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what you know is intellectualism comes from the Church if

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stupid fuck? But the uh, you know, the people in

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this kind of new university structure, they wanted to combine

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critical methods that were you know, very much privileged going

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to the scientific Revolution. They wanted to combine that kind

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of methodology with traditional philosophical historians and the way they

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ones that were responsible for first devising a scientist basis

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for historical research. The difference is, obviously the angle Saxon

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way was to crowd out all other modes of analysis

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as that you know, most other places. But as we

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intellectual tradition anywhere, we're talking about something derivative of the

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Western tradition. So I don't think I need to elaborately

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explicate what I mean by that. But the German approach

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to economics, academic economics, as well as to public administration,

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and that held sway through. The third right was this

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historical school of economics that combined to storicism anthropology, you know,

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understandings of the contingencies of political structures and economic development,

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to race and ethnos and historical experience. The idea of

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economics being this discrete, departmentalized science that didn't exist in

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Europe proper until the fifties. Okay, and you'll notice Joseph

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Schumpeter very much came out of this school. Okay. And

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people like Schumpeter. All he was with some speculative sociologists. No,

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he wasn't read business cycles. One of the strengths of

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it will take you years to get through both values.

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I'm not kidding. The issue with Shrumpeter, though, is that

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he was also a historicist, Okay, And that's the point

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also why I object, honestly, I mean just for the

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sake of intelligibility. And the tagline of the series we're

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doing is continental philosophy. That's the way you have to

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discuss things continental versus analytic and analytic Analytic is basically

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a stand in for angle sex and or Anglo sphere philosophy,

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which is essentially the philosophy of mathematics or formal logic.

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It's not one of the other, okay, Or rather, the

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way I think of it as analytic philosophy. There's an

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intrinsic prejudice in analytic philosophy to non empirical methods. But

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the converse isn't true. The German school of economics doesn't

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somehow disdain empirical methods, even Marks didn't. It's just that

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its conclusions couldn't be borne out by those methods. And

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he began with a conclusion, because any political partisan does that,

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you know. And if your partisan commitment is inseparable from

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your view of the ontological aspects of economics, you're repudiating

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your own postulates if you subjected to an empirical scrutiny

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in lieu of a philosophical analysis or what passes for one. Interestingly,

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the German Historical School attracted a lot of American students

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we studied over there, particularly after Max Weber came to prominence. Okay,

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you know, he's another example of a German Historical School

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economist having a huge impact, you know, and you see

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this even that's one of the ironies too, of these

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progressives and the New Dealers, who in part were aping

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Anglophone sensibilities. And you know, when the English establishment lost

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its mind and decided to target everything to tonics is

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their enemy. And also, of course, you know, there's the

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Semitic influence that I don't think needs to be stated,

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But everything about American administration, American national economics, the public

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education system, the US military is essentially filtered from Germany,

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and even to this day. Well, I mean, it's interesting,

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War they fully adopted mission oriented tactics instead of literally

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wearing stallhelms, you know, and then every all about Americans

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send their kids to kindergarten. I mean you had to,

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you know. And fred Frederick List essentially presented the roadmap

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for what became guilded age economics. Yet you know, the

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same people who were implementing these reforms were railing against

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German militarism and Teutonic barbarism and racism. So we call

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cognitive dissonance writ large. But you know, the historical school again,

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it's not just the sister discipline of historicism, they're one

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and the same. Its emphases are simply discretely oriented towards economics.

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You know, the German historical school held up the key

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source of knowledge about human actions and economic matters was

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culture specific, because all human activity at scale, and particularly

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that of a political nature, is culture specific and historically contingent.

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economic activity quad economics. Now, mind you, people at Trumpeter

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and like Sombart and even like Marx, they favored long

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views in terms of their data sets. But that's a

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different thing because you're talking about a discrete culture or nation,

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or the political configuration or constellation of nationalities, you know,

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engaging in economics in the historically contingent capacity that discrete

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populations do, you know, within the param of their politics.

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That's a different thing. That's different than declaring that there's

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absolute economic comparatives that transcend you know, temporal limitations and

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epochs and races and cultures. You know, you can say

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that all humans have economics, which is true whether you're

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talking about some Zandi tribe and some cut in Africa,

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or whether you're talking about you know, Japan and in

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Zenith in the eighties. There is something called economics, just

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as like there's something called political behavior. But that's where

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universal criterion characteristics end. So that's that's why the German

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school or the historical school rejected the universal validity of

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economic theorems, and it favored a historically empirical approach. You know,

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what is the experience of this nation, of these people,

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of this population, just as one would and determining the

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prime symbols that the feature most prominently in the symbolic

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psychology of a culture and question and how that informs

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political and social values and things. That's the way to

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understand it. Their methodology drew very strong influence from Leopold

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von Rank, who, in the mind that saw him, he's

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considered the father of his historicism. I'd say ficta is,

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but that's academic. I don't mean that in a punting way.

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I mean it's literally like an academic controversy. Von Rank

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he wasn't an economist, but he insisted on source based analysis,

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you know, and direct testimony and things of this nature,

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and the literal artifacts of the culture in question, controlling

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for certain variables, you know, of a temporal nature and

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other things in order to identify any given society's approach

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to economic activity and behavior. And also, I mean another

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aspect of this is there's sectarian or religious orientation. Okay,

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I mean things like this, you know, how they view authority,

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all this kind of stuff, and not accidentally or not incidentally,

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you know, people who recognize that methodology is the kind

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of thing that I employ and that I learned from

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people like David Irvin and Norman Davies. You know, revisionism

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is something of a return to form and tried and

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tested ways methodologically speaking, So yeah, you think of you

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think of leopoldmon rank As as the father of source

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based history and incidentally the seminar teaching method, which is

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different than what people call the Socratic method. And for

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those the subs are in law school, you're not actually

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practicing the Socratic method and what you're doing in law

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school that's just like what they like to call it,

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and it's a pretext for a law professors to try

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and embarrass you and put you on the spot. Made

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with the ubiquity of data, the ways is they can't

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do that anymore. But the uh that seminar method of

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a university lecture that that that that's that's the German

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way of doing things. And specifically it came out of

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the German historical school and uh von rank building on

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the Gutingen schools conventions, he established this ongoing historical seminar,

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you know, where he emphasized original source documents, you know,

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primary sources, narrative history and in understanding the role of

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economics and the state system, which again was a paramount

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interest to his because he wasn't an economist, you know,

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at base he was a historicist and a political theory guy.

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You know, he said, okay, what what's the narrative history

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of this people in question? How do they interact in

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the international system in their epoch, and what's their impression

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of their role within those systems? And this was so

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impactful on the continent in the UK and even in

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American antidem he was ennobled, thus the Vaughan in his name.

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He wasn't born to aristocratic pedigree, arguably, and this comes

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up a lot in Paul Goffried's stuff. Von Urach was

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probably the single biggest influence on nineteenth century historiographical studies.

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You know, everything was basically in dialogue with his methodology

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or directly abiding it. And I realized, this is a

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long introduction. This is essential to understand Sombart, but also

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Marx and essentially every school of socialism, including the Frankfurt school,

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which kind of misguided as they were, there was a logical,

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if flawed progression whereby pure economics was almost totally eschewed

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from their analysis of revolutionary praxis and what would be

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effective in the era, And that's fundamentally what they were

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concerned with. They weren't trying to arrive at fundamental truth

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is about the human condition based on rigorous anthropological inquiry

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and comparative analysis. Obviously, and we'll get to that too,

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if that wouldn't bore the subs to death. But Sombart

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the man, Interestingly, Sombart I believe he's the only economist

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that Julius Evela wrote about extensively and sought out for correspondence,

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which is interesting Evella. Despite his reputation as a mystic,

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which was not misplaced. One of the reasons why you

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praise Sombart is because he considered him to have an

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underst standing of the emphases in research methodology that were

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significant to the traditional school. But he his analytical methods

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removed from the deformations and conceptual biases of materialist sociology, specifically,

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you know, the Marxist Leninist type. According to evil, economic

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life is composed not just the material quantities and physical

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processes and biological organisms, but there's a spiritual or if

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you prefer an idealist, an abstract conception of it. That's essential.

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You know, that culminates in a symbolic psychological overlay. You know,

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there is there is such a thing as an economic spirit,

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and this is value centric. That's what Vaper's getting at

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in his discussion of Calvinism as a sociological imperative and

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an anthropological phenomenon and an animating principle that not just characterizes,

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but renders possible an entire mode of economical life. You know,

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And obviously Sombart's book on the Jews of Modern Capitalism

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emphasides that, but so did Sombart's book on America and

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Adolf Hitler were very much agreed with Sombart's diagnosis, which

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was very unflattering to Europeans, almost punitive. And I made

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the point, i believe, in one of our previous discussions

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when we were talking specifically about the Brendan Simms historical

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biographia Hitler. You know, Hitler made the point that Europeans

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were deteriorating and that a lot of the best European

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racial stock, in his estimation, had ended up in America,

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and that psychologically, in many ways, Americans were more robust,

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and the Americans of that era, you know, an America

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born in the frontier and racial warfare and all manner

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of creative destruction. You know, they were unwilling to be

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servile in the way that Europeans have been conditioned to be,

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and even physically. A fascinating data point in the Battle

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of the Hurritcan Forest, you know, and among other things,

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that was the couses defeat ever issued to the US Army.

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American soldiers than German soldiers with similar wounds caused by

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similar identical caliber weapons. Americans tended to survive something like

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two to one compared to their German enemies because physically

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they were just more robust. They just had more fat

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and muscle on them. It was harder to break them

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by shooting them. And that's not a minor thing, you know,

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and part of the national socialist imperative. You know. I

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made the point. Hitler wasn't going around saying Europe is

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the master race or Germans are Europeans are quite the contrary.

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He was saying, we need to become that way because

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we are losing. And you know, from the Thirty Years

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War onward, Europe suffered a series of punctuity catastrophes that

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if weren't remedied, would lead to the death of Europe

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as a civilization, you know, And Sombart echoed a lot

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of that, or he Hitler echoed, was echoing a lot

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of what Sombart observed. And like I said, there's there's

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data points to to store this up. I mean additionally, too,

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the you know, America contained the bulk of the world's

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remaining natural resources, and that's that's true still, and that

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that that changes things too. Just's on its own terms,

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but the racial stock or the element that constitutes the

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majority or at least the driving engine of economic and

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productive life, they've got to be able to not just

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extract those resources, but convert them to be utilized or

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render those things into value added manufacturers obviously, and the

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ability of Americans to do that at scale itself in

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a premuffacial way. It was demonishrative of the concern it was,

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you know, it was a concern, but also it was

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you know, like I said, rather praising of American Uh

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mentioned material contra that in Germany, which is really interesting,

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but uh, the I realized that was tangential. But I

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think it's I think it's important, not just demonstrative, but

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the uh, you know, and again I'll wrap up this

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Evola discussion in a minute, but I think it's significant

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on its own terms, but also to demonstrate what was

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what wasn't is important about Sombard. To the rightest intellectual canon,

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the immediate and instinctive purposes of production processes are are

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somewhat secondary to it animates, you know, pursuit of the

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capitalization literally of those processes and of those raw materials.

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Laboring in this way is a is an objective in

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itself too. Great races and cultures and increasingly, you know,

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in the twentieth century, where potentialities were truly becoming what theretofore,

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Uh it seemed impossible. You know, this this was especially

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poignant and relevant. It's not prosperity arrives because superior races.

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That's the that's the bounty of their labors. That's not

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the reason why they do labor. I guess it's you know,

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a better way to think about it. You know. And

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despite people think people like Sombart weren't anti money or

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anti wealth or something, or they weren't hair shared to

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view the American way as being inherently corrupting, there is

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obviously serious problems with America even back then, and some

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are acknowledged that. But you know again, great wealth is

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the bounty of great and imaginative labors. And also wealth

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makes all of the things possible. You know. The idea

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is a surplus, not so you can hord things and

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be greedy and and and indulge yourself. It's because it

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frees up man collectively for high cultural activities or for

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you know, things that are transcendent and truly great. You know,

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whether it's the conquest of space, or whether it's you know,

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making great works of art, or whether it's in improving

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the human condition towards physical and spiritual and intellectual excellence,

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or whether it's creating instantaneous and global networks and communication,

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you know, like we have now. People take for granted

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how remarkable these things are. I don't sound corny, but

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like I was thinking today, every time I buy groceries

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at Target, I realize people don't like Target. I don't

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really either, but I'm on a budget because I'm kind

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of a poor writer, and they've got the cheapest produce

469
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:38,119
and stuff. But it's I've got a giant tub of

470
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:42,800
coffee beans in my kitchen. I got fresh fruit from

471
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,400
like three different continents. I got a case of bottled water.

472
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,840
I can grab whatever I want. I got a cart

473
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,599
and a cigarettes. I got the kind of chewing them

474
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:56,239
I like. I live better than a great condid. You know.

475
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,280
I'm like some poor guy who writes stuff that is

476
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,719
truly incredible, and I don't think people realize that. You know,

477
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,239
in my pocket, I've got what's nominally a phone, but

478
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,119
I can talk to anybody and were on the planet

479
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:19,360
except maybe the Amazonian basin or Antarctica, you know. And

480
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,639
being just some random guy who can do that and

481
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,800
have all that stuff that's completely insane. Even even in

482
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,599
the nineteen fifties, it was a luxury to have decent

483
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,360
coffee and a lot of Europe you know. I mean,

484
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,079
think about that, and yeah, I mean too much of

485
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:45,800
a good thing, and many people complacent. But it's incredible

486
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,119
the uh that these kinds of things were devised and

487
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,840
can can yield what they do. I mean obviously as

488
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,360
an expiration day, you know, and that needs to be

489
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:05,760
taken seriously too, But I don't think people realize how

490
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,239
remarkable this is and the amount of research and man

491
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,840
hours and labor it required to generate these modern conveniences.

492
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,079
I really don't. I mean, I know they don't because

493
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,119
I hear the way people talk. You know, it's it's

494
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:21,920
as if this stuff literally just falls out of the

495
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,079
sky or something. But you know, and that itself is

496
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:34,559
a Faustian imperative. You know, that's why there's something misguided.

497
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:40,639
I remember, I think this was years back, but this

498
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:47,159
sentiment is repeated, or at least it's conveyed and slightly different,

499
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:55,480
you know, metaphors or language. When that movie Fatherland came out,

500
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,920
it's based on the Robert Harris book. You know, it's

501
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,599
about a third Orne victory and the movie slash book

502
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:07,639
opens and nineteen sixty four where the Reich is preparing

503
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,599
for Hitler's seventy fifth birthday and President Joe Kennedy, who

504
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,639
in this counterfactual timeline being on his president's it's this

505
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,159
big state visit to Berlin because this Cold War has

506
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:20,480
been going on between America and the Reich since the

507
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:27,440
Reich won the war. And there's a really it's a

508
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,480
combination of Matte paintings or matt tape paintings and early

509
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:37,559
CGI that renders this futuristic Berlin and some reviewers said, yeah,

510
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,639
there's the perverse collision of this racism and this this

511
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,760
reverence for the past, but with this dystopian futurism, it

512
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,119
doesn't make any sense. I'm like, no, it absolutely makes sense.

513
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,800
If you don't understand the future of sensibility national socialism,

514
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,880
you don't understand national socialism. It's not reactionary. That's the

515
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,840
whole point. The all point was we're not trying to

516
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,400
turn the clock back, where we're not trying to go

517
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,039
back to the time of the Peasants War, where we're

518
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:08,320
not trying to make our people ignorance that they're not

519
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,159
worldly and thus there are childlike in their and their morals,

520
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:18,159
nothing like that. You know. It was uh in uh.

521
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,440
It is about overcoming uh, what therefore had been the

522
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:31,320
realities of of of cast, even in higher races. You know,

523
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,400
like Younger said, the concept of the anarch that was

524
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,800
a concept taking very serious of national socialism, the new

525
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,920
national serviists man. He's neither master nor slave. He's a

526
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:47,519
self contained god man almost you know, it would be

527
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,880
he's not a slave because he couldn't be a slave.

528
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,119
He's not a master in the traditional sense because within

529
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:56,280
his racial community there are no slaves. You know, the

530
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,679
only the only formal equality can exist but between uh,

531
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:13,280
you know, a race of anarchs, and that's important. And incidentally,

532
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,159
that's the kind of equality people like Currell or Sobart

533
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:25,599
were talking about. You know, of course, Uh, there is

534
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,679
a there is you do need slave labor to build

535
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,719
something like the thousand year Reich that was envisioned, but

536
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,719
you know, those slaves are drawn from your vanquished enemies

537
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,239
outside of the race, you know, and the race including

538
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,880
all of Europe. And that's a very brutal proposition. But

539
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:56,159
you know, I used to point out to this lady

540
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,239
that I was tight with. I used to take her

541
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,920
she she was not in a current of the museum

542
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,519
campus with me a lot, like when we were in

543
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,000
law school, and she really liked the Egypt exhibit at

544
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,920
the Field Museum. They've got a whole but they've got

545
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,280
a permanent Egypt exhibit, like incredible stuff. And uh, one

546
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,719
of the exhibits they've got a they've got a pyramid stone,

547
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:22,239
you know, it's like seven thousand pounds and it's on

548
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:29,119
these skids in this uh, on this like thick plexiglass thing,

549
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,559
and they're staying there to cut the friction and there's

550
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,880
a chain and like kids climbing it and stuff, but

551
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,519
they invite you to try to pull it to get

552
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:42,880
a sense of like the sheer weight of this thing,

553
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,400
you know. And uh, she was always taking me to

554
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,199
task for once she perceived it is like really callous

555
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,880
things that I'd say about historical processes. And I'm like, look,

556
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,039
you know, I'm like, you know, when she'd been to

557
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,159
Egypt and been to like the Valley of the Kings

558
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:02,599
and stuff, I'm like, you know, it was it was

559
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,480
it was slave labor, and it was strong men who

560
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:10,400
were breaking themselves hauling these giant stones, you know, to

561
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,400
build those pyramids. I'm like, where do you think they

562
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,159
came from? You think robots built them? You know. I

563
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,840
was trying not to be too mean about it. But

564
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,920
the degree to which all high culture is literally built

565
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,679
on the backs the once strong backs, you know, broken

566
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,840
by the way to their burdens of slaves, you know,

567
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,400
millions of them. The historical process is an endless march

568
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:42,199
of slaves, their backs stooped by these giant stones and things,

569
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,559
you know. And that that's also think people should shy

570
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:56,519
away from accept anything about some Art's personal background. He

571
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,280
was he was born to wealth. His father was a

572
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:05,400
liberal politician in the eighteen forty eight sense, and to

573
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:11,519
be clear, a lot of a lot of uh, I mean,

574
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:14,320
there's a lot of a lot of the eighteen forty

575
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,360
eight revolutionaries where the descendants of Jacob Is in a real sense,

576
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:23,400
but a lot of them. Also we're very Catholic, and

577
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,559
we're very concerned with the equity between the classes and things,

578
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:34,519
and sence, they had sympathy for liberalizing tendencies. This wasn't

579
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,519
a Jacobin type sensibility, you know. To be clear, I'm

580
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:43,880
not saying they were right, but these distinctions are important.

581
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,760
But he was a son of a wealthy industrialist and

582
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,800
a state owner, and like I said, politician Anton Ludwig Sombart,

583
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,639
he initially studied law and economics. He received his PhD

584
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:05,719
from Berlin mostly in the direction of Adolf Wagner. EDL.

585
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,400
Wagner was kind of the other Wagner, and there was

586
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,079
no relation between him as far as far as I know,

587
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:15,320
and I've looked into it and the Wagner family, you know,

588
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,360
but Atolf Wagner to this day, you crack an economics

589
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:29,719
textbook or a take a class from political economy, your

590
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,000
teacher and or your text will refer to Wagner's law,

591
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:39,679
also known as the law of increasing state activity. And

592
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:50,920
Wagner's law postulates that the public expenditure in any modern

593
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,760
state acxiomatically increases as national income arises. And there's no

594
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:01,199
exception to this date to this rule. It's closely tied

595
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:07,199
to industrialization, but that's not that that's not the this

596
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:13,199
positive cause. It basically predicts that the development of an

597
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:19,159
industrial economy will always lead to an increased share of

598
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:28,079
public expenditure in GNP and that welfare states always developed

599
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:36,119
from free market capitalist paradigms. Because once the budget comes

600
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,239
up for vote, which really is all we're talking about.

601
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,199
In a late capitalist state ruled by a managerial system

602
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,719
or with somebody like Somber what it called the parliamentary system,

603
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,519
the body politic will always vote for entitlements, you know,

604
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,920
and even it's not even a question, and there might

605
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,440
be entire political cultures built out of pace people saying

606
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,639
we need to cut entitlements, but as they're saying that

607
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:08,360
they're they're they're remaining off is based on the distribution

608
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,199
of entitlements. So it's almost this, it's almost this conscious irony.

609
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,920
You're this kind of polite fiction, you know what I mean?

610
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,840
You see that here? You know, I meant large like there.

611
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:25,119
How are the Republicans some small government party? You know they? Uh,

612
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,119
I mean that's it's it's not even standing on ceremony.

613
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:35,280
It's just it's there's there's nothing. There's nothing there. It's

614
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,679
just uh, it's it's it's not even performative because there's

615
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:44,599
not even there's not there's not even perfunctory cuts to

616
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:50,480
the uh, permanent bureaucracy and and the entitlement structure. I

617
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:54,039
don't think it's an accident. I'm not some like Elon

618
00:53:54,159 --> 00:54:01,920
Musk fanboy. I have some serious I I don't think

619
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,320
he's a good guy at all. However, it's not an

620
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,239
accident that when Doge became appeared to, you know, have

621
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:18,880
some actual momentum at least UH with regards entrenched interest

622
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,039
groups outside of the deep state, suddenly suddenly Musk became

623
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:27,480
this bad guy. You know. It's not that that's that

624
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,239
wasn't Trump's decisions. Trump something of a cipher, you know,

625
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,440
I mean, I realized this is a tangential thing, but

626
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,360
that's that that's not an accident, and it's not you know,

627
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,920
it's not it's not must be the liability he was

628
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,199
saying quickly incorrect things or something. And if that, if

629
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:45,159
that was the case, Trump would fire j R f

630
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,880
K two immediately. You know. It's it's what I said

631
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,440
it was, you know. And again and not I'm not

632
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,800
saying Musc is some good guy or something, but he

633
00:54:54,039 --> 00:55:00,039
was correct and in in some of his sentiments. And

634
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,920
and Doge was something. I mean, the way he went

635
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,440
about it was stupid and the branding was stupid, but

636
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,360
the sentiment was correct. But that's a non starter. I

637
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,800
guess Musk is based is like literally autistic. He doesn't

638
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,599
understand why that's not going to work. They can't come

639
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:23,760
from some policy perspective. They can't come from the Oval office.

640
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,159
You know. You can cut taxes, you know, but that's

641
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:32,679
a different thing, you know, and that's always popular, even

642
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:37,679
if it even if there's you know, not a real

643
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:43,480
impact in terms of the in terms of the percentage

644
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:50,039
of a GMP that's dedicated to public revenue. But in

645
00:55:50,039 --> 00:56:02,000
any event, flushing further out Wagner's law concombinant obviously, with

646
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:08,920
this increase share that outlays occupy a GNP the public

647
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,199
sector and the share it occupies, and the national economy

648
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:21,599
grows continually and ultimately this becomes unsustainable, you know. And sociologically,

649
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:27,760
this increase in state expenditure, it derives, according to Vager's law,

650
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:36,679
from three sources, which although long term this slays the

651
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:40,480
golden goose, short term, it's in relative short term. I mean,

652
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:42,639
I don't mean in terms of weeks or years. We're

653
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:48,360
hunging decades. But really the only way the modern state,

654
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:57,000
the late capitalist state, cannot sustain itself is through these

655
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,480
state expenditures that fund social activities. The state, you know,

656
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:09,800
social engineering and welfare. State l lays administrative and protective actions,

657
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,440
you know, mostly relating to the aforementioned activities, and three

658
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:19,840
direct welfare functions you know, old age pensions, you know,

659
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,480
things of this nature, like the public health bureaucracy, you know,

660
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:33,039
And this is you know, Vogor's point is, this is

661
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:39,719
why it's a non starter to not treat all economic

662
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:45,480
analysis as a study of political economy, you know, because

663
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:51,239
all economic decision making, even in ahenominally lays a fair

664
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:59,880
uh regime. You know, decisions are made based on sociopolitical

665
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:03,159
realities with the body politic demands or what's gonna vote

666
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:09,000
for itself. You know, there's there's economic imperatives where there's

667
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,840
gonna some outlays are necessary, you know, some market hostile outlies.

668
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:20,159
Out outlays are necessary. You know of a science technological nature,

669
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,960
of a military nature. You know, you don't, you don't,

670
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:28,159
you don't. You don't build sdi for the hell of it.

671
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:31,760
You know, you do it when you're in a strategic

672
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:37,199
paradigm that is totally zero sum that if it resolves

673
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,840
in war, there's gonna be eighty million people dead. And

674
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:45,360
you know that as human decision makers are increasingly being sidelined,

675
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,679
there's a very real possibility that, you know, a nuclear

676
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:50,599
war is gonna happen when there's not even any direct

677
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:54,039
intent to make it happen. This is one example. Okay,

678
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,519
so you find yourself having to dump you know, eight

679
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:02,239
hundred billion dollars in the I because the alternative is,

680
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,360
you know, possibly the death of your entire country for

681
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:18,760
a prival purposes. You know, and uh, Finally, there's physical

682
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,639
contingencies that need to be planned for, like whether you're

683
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:30,119
talking about natural disaster or whether you're talking about, you know,

684
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,800
the state having to service loans that it it took

685
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,480
on to cover contingencies or real crises that emerged, you know,

686
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,599
and the sum of government that and attendant interest grows.

687
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:56,559
You know, Servicing this debt expenditure requires physical processes and

688
00:59:56,679 --> 01:00:02,760
energies to do so, you know, and that's you know, again,

689
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,519
there's no way to neutralize that or to mitigate that.

690
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:14,880
People claim the empirical evidence has been mixed. There's this

691
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:21,079
broad those broad based empirical study undertaken to try and

692
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:26,360
improve a refet. Wagner's Law was by these two guys

693
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,679
named Alan T. Peacock, which is an awesome name, and

694
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:36,280
Jack Wiseman that tends to prove the truth of the

695
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:42,280
matter asserted, and from eighteen ninety one to nineteen fifty

696
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:47,320
five in the American situation and in the United Kingdom,

697
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,079
they found that Wagner's Law it pretty much described public

698
01:00:52,079 --> 01:01:01,280
expenditure to a t okay. You'll find especially stuff from

699
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:06,320
the nineties and beyond that claims this is you know,

700
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:13,559
socialist economics and shifts. But again, I've never seen a

701
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:21,039
persuasive study that was as thorough and what's complete in

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terms of the variables coded as the Peacock and Wiseman study.

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So if somebody has one, I'd love to take a

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look at it. But I don't think you have one.

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But I guess we're coming up in the hour man.

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I'm sorry if those two scatter shots. There's a lot

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I wanted to get out to sort of lay the foundation.

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And I realized I almost didn't say anything on this book,

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and that was like, my whole intention was to cover

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this book. I promise next time I will cover this correctly,

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and we'll devote like half of it to dealing with this,

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and then we'll deal with George Terrell and maybe even

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say a word about Vabe and stuff. But I promise

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I'll move on from this foundational stuff. But like I said,

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I I think it was essential that I'm saying the

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subject matter, you know what i mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of things, Sombart, you're you initially talked

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about Jesus and modern capitalism. One, that book wasn't always controversial.

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I mean, the first person who translated into English was

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a tumutic scholar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not, it's not it's not particularly it's not

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punitive against Jews. It doesn't say, oh, Jews are these

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bad people when they're doing these bad things. I mean

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it's like I said, ury Slidskin cites it extensively. I mean,

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that's the reality. If you don't accept that, if you

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don't accept that there's conceptual prejudices built into Jewish political life,

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I don't want to tell you there is every population

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is like that, you know, I mean, not not like them,

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but I mean that that's the reality, is that there's

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you know, conceptual prejudice is born of historical experiences. Go ahead,

731
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I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Another question I had is the the original

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the German title is dajudindas Verschaftraslaven, which translated literally means

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the Jews and the economic life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that that translates. The way that's translated approximately

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is late capitalism. Why that is I don't know. Germans

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a tough language. I can read it passively, but there's

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nuances not just of annunciation and stuff of a conceptual najor.

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I mean, like like this, like geist geist literally means

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ghost spirit, but zeitgeist we're not. We're not We're not

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talking about an age spirit or a world spirits. It's

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something we're talking about something like American Indians are into

743
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or something like that, doesn't I mean, it's just one example.

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But presumably if you're talking about the modern life and

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a German, particularly in a German academic sense, you're talking

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about the way people live. You're talking about the way

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they think. You're talking about the technological features of the

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lives they live. You're talking about the way the government

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is configured, You're talking about what's important to people. It

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encompasses all these things, you know. So in the context

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of it, like an American English is very literal language,

752
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like English isn't really versatile. There's ten words forever noun,

753
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but it's also very literal, you know. But in context,

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you know, if you say, in German, for example, you know,

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the attitude of Jews towards the modern life, You're not

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talking about how Jewish people like washing machines and the Internet. Yeah,

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Like you're talking about a whole orientation towards this entire

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constellation of things that characterize modernity, you know, including late capitalism,

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which is a sombart concept. You know, that's the best

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way to explain it. I'm far from fluent, I'm semi

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fluent in reading it.

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Speaker 1: Excellent. All right, Well we'll pick up start talking about

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the book the next episode on why there is no

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socialism in the United States. And it's not just kidding,

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it's so it's so ridiculous that we we've been socially

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engineered to think to hear socialism and think it's just

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one thing and not ask questions of, oh, why were

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people who obviously weren't socialists calling themselves, you know, like

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Marxian Marxian conception of socialists. Why why weren't they acting?

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You know, why why did Adolf Hitler take power and

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actually privatize some public works?

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Speaker 2: When why did like, i mean one of the earhard

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and milch he he he founded uh luftanz, I mean

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among most was a fascinating dude. I mean not just

775
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because it was weird background, it was just interesting. But

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he wasn't just a military prodigy, but he was. He

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was basically the world's first airline ceo, you know. And

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it's like airline CEOs aren't guys who are into state

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socialism as we know.

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Speaker 1: You know, two plugs real quick on this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, my sub stick, and that's that's the best

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place to find me. And also, unlike platforms like x

783
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,559
which I just actually stand by Substack. I think they're

784
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a great platform, but that's where you can find really

785
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,440
good things. It's real Thomas seven seven seven dot substack

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dot com. I've got a website. It's number seven h

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O Mes seven seven seven dot com. All my social

788
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media and my Instagram can be accessed from those two places,

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as long as my YouTube, which I'm gonna try and

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do more stuff on. I've been reluctant because I think

791
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they're gonna try and bang me if I get too

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comfortable alert. But my homie j Burden and my friend

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Derek the Bloody Messing, the scabs guy, they have been

794
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,480
following their example on some content stuff and they both

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really like YouTube. But uh, anyway, my social media is

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at uh Thomas Sear seven seven seven. That's my government name.

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01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,519
It's th h O M A s c y R

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seven seven seven. And uh that's it.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, so the next time, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man M