WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:03.000 How'd you like to listen to dot net rocks with 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:07.879 no ads? Easy? Become a patron for just five dollars 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:10.800 a month. You get access to a private RSS feed 4 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:14.240 where all the shows have no ads. Twenty dollars a month. 5 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:16.879 We'll get you that and a special dot net Rocks 6 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:21.000 patron mug. Sign up now at Patreon dot dot NetRocks 7 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:36.640 dot com. Hey, guess what it's dot net rocks. I'm 8 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:39.520 Carl Franklin, an amateur Campbell. Well, you didn't have to 9 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:41.640 guess because you knew because you You pushed the button 10 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:42.640 to listen, didn't you. 11 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:43.159 There you go. 12 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:45.600 Yeah, it's just like the old way we telephones. Right 13 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.079 when foleophones is gonning aft to the wall and I 14 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:48.399 called you, I didn't have to ask you where you 15 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:51.679 were because you answered the phone you knew where it was. 16 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:55.439 Hey, you're home. That's usually what we would say. I'm 17 00:00:55.439 --> 00:01:02.640 glad I got you. Uh wow, comf coming up or 18 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:06.040 maybe it's already gone by. I'm not sure. We'll take 19 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:09.159 care of that later, but in the meantime, let's roll 20 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:19.640 the music for a better no framework awesome? All right, 21 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:20.040 what do you got? 22 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:20.239 Well? 23 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:22.480 I think both you guys would be interested in this. 24 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:28.799 This is Unity Technologies has an mL agents repo. The 25 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:32.879 Unity Machine Learning Agents Toolkit is an open source project 26 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:36.799 that enables games and simulations to serve as environments for 27 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:42.519 training intelligent agents using deep reinforcement learning and imitation learning. 28 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:47.760 Hmm interesting, Yeah, certainly it's all been on my radar 29 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:49.480 because I have a bunch of friends in the gaming 30 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:51.959 industry that a lot of the generative AI technologies are 31 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.920 being evaluated to make games less expensive to make. 32 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:58.680 Ah okay for building games, not necessarily for having intelligent 33 00:01:58.719 --> 00:01:59.760 agents in them. 34 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.840 Not actually making the game play better, but like instead 35 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.040 of having to voice act every single line and plan 36 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.039 every single line of dialogue out the fact that you 37 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.199 can generate a voice now and you can give it 38 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.159 an area to talk about and it will literally, you know, 39 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.800 just generate to you know, spoken word for you speaks 40 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.080 to game experiences being better where you know, there's not 41 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.639 a fixed path through all of the words anymore. They 42 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.840 could say even more diverse things and you could go 43 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:32.479 create far more words effectively, you know, imagine your behavior 44 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:35.879 towards an NPC actually changes the way that NPC speaks 45 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.240 to you, even if they communicate the same facts. 46 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.639 And the hallucinations add bonus entertainment in a fantasy world that. 47 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:45.479 Would be a feature in a game, not a feature 48 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.199 in real life. But yes, exactly right. But tier one 49 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:51.759 video games to the billion dollar games, of which is 50 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.560 maybe ten a year, cost a couple hundred million to make, 51 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:01.159 and so you can't make more. It's very high risk intolerance. 52 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.080 So the idea that we'd reduce the cost of game creation, 53 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.199 democracize some of this technology, it's pretty compelling. 54 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.919 Well, Richard, before we get into the message that you 55 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:14.479 want to read, let's talk about what happened in nineteen 56 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.479 twenty four twenty four. 57 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.719 This is Oh, you got any favorite highlights for nineteen 58 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:20.240 twenty four? 59 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.360 Yeah, so this is episode nineteen twenty four, and Dylan 60 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:27.840 you can chime in here too. As we're getting further 61 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:29.919 and further up in history, I thought, you know, let's 62 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.479 highlight some of the things that happened that year. Some 63 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:34.879 of them may or may not be relevant to what's 64 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:35.520 going on today. 65 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.479 In nineteen twenty three, I mentioned the beer hall pushed right. 66 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.919 That's right, So there are consequences for Adolf Hitler in 67 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:43.840 twenty four and. 68 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.800 Twenty four is when his trial is and he's quote, 69 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.680 you know, imprisoned for five years, but he's out in 70 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:50.759 nine months. 71 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.879 Out in nine months. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, right's mind 72 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.599 camp while he's at it. Yeah, so that must have 73 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.759 really made him mad and that may have contributed to 74 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:03.800 his whatever. Okay. So January twenty fifth, the first Winter 75 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:09.560 Olympics nineteen twenty four Winter Olympics open in Shawnee, Chemnois 76 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.759 in the French Alps. Sorry French people, I do not 77 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:14.479 speak French. 78 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.920 Chemony. It's a tremendous apport, ah because billionaires use it 79 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:20.959 to fly in ghostkiing for a day and then fly 80 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:25.519 out again. And it's one of those strips that you 81 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:27.560 kind of there's a suddin point where you kind of 82 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:29.360 need to fall off the end and get up enough 83 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:30.920 sp that you can pull up at the other side 84 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.120 of that nice It is true the walk. 85 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:37.120 Yeah, and that was the voice of Dylan Beattie, who 86 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.959 does interesting things with computer's code, comedy, music, and video, 87 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:42.639 then travels all over the world and tells people about it. Hello, Okay, 88 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.319 so I got his buy out out of the way. 89 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:48.759 January twenty six, Petrograd, which is Saint Petersburg, is renamed 90 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:52.879 Leningrad and it'll revert to Saint Petersburg in nineteen ninety one. 91 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.839 February fifth, gmt A radio time signals broadcast for the 92 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:01.240 first time from the Royal Greenwich observ Cool nod to 93 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:04.720 Richard there, that's a good one, yeah. February fourteenth, the 94 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:08.920 Computing Tabulating Recording Company CTR, based in the US state 95 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:13.959 of New York, is renamed to IBM IBM. March twenty fourth, 96 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.279 Jean Sibelius or Jean Sabelius conducts the world premiere of 97 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:21.199 his symphony Number seven in Stockholm. March twenty fifth, the 98 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:25.319 Second Hellenic Republic is proclaimed in Greece. April first is 99 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.399 when Hitler was sentenced to five years in Landesburg prison 100 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:33.959 for his participation in the Beer Hall. Butch April sixth 101 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.800 Italian general election nineteen twenty four, Fascists win the elections 102 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:43.000 in Italy with a two thirds majority. April seventeen, Metro 103 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.439 Pictures Corporation, Goldwyn Pictures and Louis B. Mayer Productions are 104 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:51.360 merged to become MGM. May thirtieth, Italian socialist leader Jacomo 105 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:56.480 Mettier Mettioti, matt Tiati. I'm going with Mattiati speaks out 106 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.319 against fascism. A few days later, he's kidnapped and murdered 107 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:03.399 in Rome. September nineth through eleventh, the kahlhat and riots 108 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:07.120 breakout in India. October tewod the Geneva Protocol is adopted 109 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:09.680 by the League of Nations Assembly as a means to 110 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:14.879 strengthen the League, but later fails to be ratified. November tenth, 111 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.600 the trial one hundred and forty nine begins in Estonia, 112 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.160 eventually resulting in the conviction of one hundred and twenty 113 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:26.480 nine communists, including several members of the Reche cow. I 114 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:28.000 don't know how to say that, but. 115 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:29.639 You're also talking about this is the time of the 116 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:32.560 emergence of the Soviet Union, right, Yeah, that's right. Tendency 117 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:33.600 of communism YEP. 118 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.360 December twenty in Germany Hainlf Hitler's release from the prison. 119 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:42.439 December twenty fourth, Albania becomes republic. In December thirty, American 120 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:47.680 astronomer Edwin Hubble announces that Andromeda, previously believed to be 121 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.759 a nebula, is actually another galaxy, and that the Milky 122 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:54.959 Way is only one of many such galaxies in the universe. 123 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:56.560 Sound that long ago, is it? 124 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:57.319 Yeah? 125 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:01.199 I would add one more four is actually the beginning 126 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.720 of the civil war in China that will lead to 127 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:07.160 the Chinese Communist Revolution. Wow, although they don't really They 128 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:09.879 say the war started in twenty seven, but Kaichek is 129 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:13.879 grabbing cities like stuff is up before Mao actually kicks 130 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:18.439 off the march. It was an interesting year. Two ways 131 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:18.839 about it. 132 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.360 Yeah, so you mentioned that is the IBM became IBM. 133 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.360 You know, IBM has averaged four patents a day since then. Wow? 134 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.800 They Yeah. If you average out the number of patents 135 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.240 awarded to IBM engineers over the last century, it's something 136 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.920 like one hundred and fifty hundred years, which is about 137 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:40.879 four point one patents per day, sustained for one hundred years. 138 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.759 And in the last ten years they've all been fonts. 139 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.759 IBM has the largest gone to computer in the world 140 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.120 the moment. It's called the IBM System two. 141 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:54.600 There's only one of them, and it's the largest cryo 142 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:55.639 cooler on the planet. 143 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:56.120 Nice. 144 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:58.399 Nothing beats you in a blab from the Jetsons, though, 145 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:08.199 lab Shall I read a comment? Yes? Please? Who's talking 146 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:08.639 to us? Switch? 147 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.040 I'll grab a comment. I've jumped into the wayback machine 148 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.680 here and grabbed a comment off the show twelve o three. 149 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.959 So that's from twenty fifteen when we talked about programming 150 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:20.519 in Go Wow, because I know we're going to have 151 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.680 some conversations in a language with Mike ben Sickel generated 152 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:27.079 a ton of comments lots of people. It should you know, 153 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:30.759 back in twenty fifteen, polyglot was already hit. But you 154 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.919 know it's now it's just mainstream. And Aaron has this 155 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:35.200 great comment, admittedly. 156 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:35.480 From nine years ago. 157 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.000 He said, being passively familiar with many languages and toolkits 158 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:42.120 provide some value. Commonalities start to jump out at you, 159 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:44.360 and you can start to develop an understanding of concepts 160 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:49.200 that transcend a specific language. That said, actually, quote getting 161 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:51.320 things done does demand a good amount of attention to 162 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.039 a single framework long enough to become effective in it. 163 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.000 The most effective way I know to learn a language 164 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:00.159 more deeply is to switch from I'm learning X to 165 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:04.840 I'm trying to get Z done. Go make something right right. 166 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.399 In other words, set out to solve a specific problem 167 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.120 right a small program, contribute to an open source solution. 168 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:13.519 The quote fear of missing out that people often have 169 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.600 jumping from language language is much suppressed by trying to 170 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.120 get something specific done, especially if you go contribute to 171 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:20.080 an existing project. 172 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:21.639 That's how I taught myself. 173 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.720 Yeah, yeah, for sure, make something. But I also like 174 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.159 this contribute to open source because if you can get 175 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:32.080 through a pr in a new language from somebody else 176 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.799 who uses the language meaningfully, like, that's a confirmation you've 177 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:38.759 learned some things, you're doing it well enough to make 178 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:39.519 a contribution. 179 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.639 I always try to make those projects just out of 180 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.440 what I think I can do, just outside the box 181 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.919 of what I think my ability is. 182 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:52.639 There's an interesting parallel, like, as I'm sure call, you've 183 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.200 also had folks come up to you like, how do 184 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.080 you learn to play the guitar? I want to learn 185 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.320 a play an instrument. It's like you come like learning 186 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.320 a plan instrument. You start now and you I'll still 187 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.240 be learning when you die. Yeah, but you could learn 188 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.480 to play a song. What's your favorite song? Like like 189 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.480 pick us? Okay, maybe not that one, Maybe pick something 190 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.559 a little easier, a little simpler, but go hook on 191 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.200 the water for a reason, right, And like by the 192 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:12.440 end of the week, you'll be able to play Smoke 193 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:14.919 on the Water. Congratulations, Now you're a guitar player. Just 194 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:17.399 one with a limited repertoire. Yeah, and then you'll learn 195 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.840 another song, another song, another song, and eventually the pieces 196 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:21.879 start to click and the theory starts to make sense. 197 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.200 My favorite interaction is and I'm playing the gig and 198 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:27.080 somebody comes up and says, hey, wow, how long have 199 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:34.519 you been playing it? Him about forty minutes? 200 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.120 So, Aaron, thank you so much for your comment, and 201 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:39.919 a copy of music Koba is on its way to you. 202 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:41.720 And if you'd like a copy of music Koby, write 203 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.759 a comment on the website at dot net rocks dot 204 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.120 com or on the facebooks. You publish every show there, 205 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:47.519 and you be comment there and ever reading the show. 206 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:49.039 We'll send you a copy of music go by. 207 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.919 And you can follow us on ex Twitter if you like. 208 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:54.000 We're still there and we've been there for years. But 209 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:56.720 the cool kids are now hanging out at mastadon. I'm 210 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.399 Carl Franklin at tech hub dot Social and. 211 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:02.960 I'm Ridge Campbell the Social. But the really cool kids 212 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:04.840 are all on Blue Sky now because that's the latest 213 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:08.440 wave of migration. Was seeing. Yeah, this has been pretty 214 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:09.159 good right now. 215 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:11.279 I got a whole bunch of followers there all of 216 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:14.000 a sudden, Yeah, yeah, Blue Sky is cool. 217 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.480 It's very much well, the web interface is very much 218 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.919 like Twitter. Yeah, and that's the kind of what. 219 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.000 Is Jack Dorsey after all. The big thing that's happened 220 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:25.480 recently is that they haven't thing called starter packs, so 221 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:27.600 you can go on and this I think is just 222 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:30.039 a great feature. Like if you're organizing a conference and 223 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.559 all your speakers are on Blue Sky, you can give 224 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:34.639 people a starter pack. You like to click one button 225 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.679 and you're going to follow everyone who's speaking, right, that's 226 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.519 pretty good. And so a couple of folks started putting 227 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:40.799 together like this is the AI starter pack, this is 228 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.600 the you know, three D gaming starter pack. This is 229 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.519 and so you're like, where will all these followers come from? 230 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.720 And then you're like, oh, oh, I'm in a starter pack? 231 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:51.120 All right? Yeah, and you know it's I was talking 232 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.000 with Rendle about it earlier. It kind of feels like 233 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.279 Blue Sky has got a little better, and the kind 234 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:56.960 of gets it's a little worse and then better and 235 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:58.799 then worse, and it's like waves coming up the beach, 236 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.200 but the tide is definitely coming up, and it's getting 237 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.600 closer and closer to hitting what feels like a sort 238 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:05.799 of critical mass. 239 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:11.240 Yeah, yeah, I have my Blue Sky's social account. I 240 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:13.519 have one hundred and ninety five followers, so not a 241 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.399 whole bunch, but I do post there. I'm at Carl 242 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.759 Franklin dot b sky dot social in case anybody cares. 243 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:22.679 So the other thing I really like about the way 244 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:24.759 Blue Sky is set up is that your handles your domain, 245 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:26.799 so or if you want to set it up, it 246 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:29.759 can be. And so if you're you know, I'm dylanbet 247 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.080 dot net, because I'm dylanbet dot net and I have 248 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.000 the DNS and I control the domain, so that's how 249 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:35.559 you know it's me. So none of those kind of 250 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.000 blue tick verification, right, and you know, like the sort 251 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.480 of big newspapers. If you've got at Washingtonpost dot com, 252 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:45.200 then that's it. You're the Washington Post. You don't need 253 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.399 blue check marks and stuff. And you can because if 254 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.639 you control the DNS, you can sort of sub delegate it, 255 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.919 so you could have like, you know, Richard dot dot 256 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.320 net rocks and Carl dot dot net rocks, and the 257 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.559 whole mechanism filters down. I'm a big fan of anything 258 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.600 that uses DNS in interesting ways because it's such a 259 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:03.399 flexible and powerful system that I think has really stood 260 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:04.080 the test of time. 261 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:06.600 So well, we're also making it sound like mere mortals 262 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:08.440 won't be able to use it, but that's not true. 263 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:09.600 It's very easy, isn't it. 264 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.519 Yeah, Yeah, it's that Lenark. If you just want to 265 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:13.960 sign up, you just sign up and hey, now you're 266 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.360 reading and writing and you don't need like mast it on. 267 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:18.759 You know. I love what they tried to do with it, 268 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:21.440 but it feels like Linux. It feels like the people 269 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:23.440 who get it don't see the problem, and the people 270 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:25.080 who don't get it, I'm never going to get it. 271 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:29.279 Are you saying you don't like Linux and are the majority? 272 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:34.679 Linux is a wonderful cloud server operating system and I 273 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:37.679 will never use it to edit video? Put it that way. 274 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.600 Ah, good right, Okay, got concern there for a minute. 275 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:43.840 All right, dyl we're here to talk about to catch 276 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:47.679 up with you first of all, and talk about some 277 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:50.279 new things that are happening in your language, rock star. 278 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:53.200 Why don't you, yeah fill us in on how that 279 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.600 came to be and bring us back a little bit. 280 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:57.200 So well, I was trying to figure out what it was. 281 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:58.799 I can't remember, but I was on the show a 282 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:03.440 few years back talking about Rockstar, which is a tweet 283 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.200 that turned into a spec that turned into a so 284 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:12.200 the joke tweet it was, yeah, it's a joke, prank literally, Yeah. 285 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.159 It was a tweet from I think it was Pulster Vell, 286 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.440 the Octopus deploy guy, just saying, hey, you're had a 287 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:21.440 confused recruiter. Someone should make a language called Rockstar. 288 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:23.799 Because they always ask for rock Star developers. 289 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.200 Yeah, and there was this whole trope of we need 290 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.279 to hire Rockstar developers and we're looking for and you know, 291 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:31.279 and one of the nice things is that that has 292 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:33.960 that has gone down a little bit because it and 293 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:38.720 I think, yeah, yes to you, well, you know me 294 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:40.759 and all of the other people who have leaned in 295 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:43.440 on the joke and kind of got with it. And 296 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.039 so this it started out as a parody specification, just 297 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:49.840 a kind of you know, tongue in cheek piece of 298 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:53.360 technical writing about like you know, it was one markdown 299 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:56.759 file on a GitHub po And what I've done is 300 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.960 I tried to take as many cliches from rock and metal, 301 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:04.120 heavy metal, soft rock and yeah, and see, you know, 302 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:08.080 is there enough formulaic consistency that you can derive a 303 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:12.120 grammar from it? And it got it kind of got 304 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:17.799 too far, too fast for me to give up. Hilarious, 305 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:20.320 I said to folks before you know that. It was 306 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.559 the three factors behind taking the joke too far. I 307 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:26.600 had Internet, I had alcohol, and there was no one 308 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:31.320 that stop it. I was I was meeting friends in 309 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.840 a bar and they were like, I'm like, I wonder 310 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:39.399 if you could and you know, to stop you. Yeah, 311 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:42.200 you'd be amazed how much of the fun side of 312 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:47.039 the web is attributable to those three fures. And so this, 313 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.559 you know, it turned into like a parody spec with 314 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.159 you know, things like you want to write a function, 315 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.080 like you know, most languages, you have the function declaration 316 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.200 and the return type, and then you have some brackets 317 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:01.320 around the parameter types. And so it's like, well then 318 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.000 you say, well, this function like modulus takes a number 319 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.440 and a divisor, and you're like, all right, well and 320 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.679 we'll use takes a this and that. That's function syntex. 321 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.960 So my function takes first argument and second argument and 322 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.000 you know all kind of thing like variable names with 323 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:18.919 spaces in them, which is easy to do when you're 324 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:20.840 designing a language in a bar as a joke, right, 325 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:24.039 and oh well, we're going to have you know, my variable, 326 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:27.840 your variable the variable. And you know that the idea 327 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:31.519 that came from from Crockford, from Douglas Crockford talking about 328 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.639 the whole people arguing about pascal case, camel case, kebab case, 329 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.399 snake case change, and he's like, we want spaces. We 330 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.320 all want the same thing. These are stupid arguments. So 331 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:44.279 I'm like, he's absolutely right. You know, we want to 332 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:46.840 be able to have a variable called, you know, customer 333 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.840 account category because that's what it is. And if you're 334 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.759 writing documentation, you don't use pascal camel case and and 335 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.000 so you know, I came up with this this spec 336 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.480 which had kind of just enough structure to write a 337 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:03.519 joke fizz buzz so you do rockstar interviews, And then 338 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:05.640 I stuck it on the internet and I went to bed, 339 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:06.599 and do. 340 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.119 You remember any of that? Because it's really a poem, 341 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:09.559 isn't it. 342 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:14.519 So desire is a love struck lady killer is how 343 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:21.400 you initialize a variable to one hundred Because one of 344 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.640 the ideas I had very early on is you want 345 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.079 to be able to write numbers by using the lengths 346 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:30.079 of words, right, which is you know, I love anything 347 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.559 that has two different meanings depending how you look at it. 348 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.720 I love you know, kind of optical illusions in art 349 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:37.480 and that kind of thing. And I thought, well, if 350 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.599 you take the length of the word, that's a decimal digit. 351 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.079 So love struck is a ten letter word, so that's 352 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:45.400 a zero, and lady killer is a ten letter word, 353 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.119 so that's a zero. So a love struck lady killer 354 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.559 is one zero zero, so that's one hundred. And of 355 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.279 course that means you can pick any words you want, 356 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:59.079 so you can actually write code that rhymes and and 357 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.359 so you kind of throw these ideas together. And then 358 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:05.640 what happened next is that the Internet found it and 359 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:09.519 they liked it, and people started filing issues on the 360 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:13.119 get repo with the spec because and some of them 361 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:15.240 were just jokes like, hey, the number system should go 362 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.160 up to eleven, like happen It's like hah, yeah, no, 363 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:19.920 but yeah, I get the joke, but no, we're not 364 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:23.519 right that, And some of them were genuinely people saying, hey, 365 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.400 well what should happen here? I like, there's undefined behavior, 366 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.039 and the specification. I'm like, of course, there is a joke, 367 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.480 why do you care? And people implemented it. There are 368 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.759 a couple of people built Rockstar interpreters, someone built a 369 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.920 Scarlar interpreter, someone built a rock Star Python transpiler, and 370 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.440 all this is within like a week of this this 371 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:45.640 first draft coming out. 372 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:51.720 And so suddenly you've got an obligation because yes, you know, 373 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:55.079 not enough alcohol, not enough. 374 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.599 If you had a little more alcohol, then it would 375 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.359 have been more obvious that it was a joke. 376 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.720 It was in Sydney, Australia, and they they cut you 377 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:05.640 off there if they think you've had too much. So 378 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.839 they're almost incubating the conditions for these kind of wonderful, 379 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:10.119 terrible things to happen, you. 380 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.519 Know, So we can blame that bar wherever it was, 381 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:16.640 or that hotel bar, probably the Baxter. Yeah, therefore, now 382 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.759 the Baxter was later in the evening. I definitely remember 383 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:23.240 that that the Evening progressed to the Baxter. If you've 384 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:26.119 never been to Sydney, Australia, folks, the Baxter in is 385 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:29.119 this wonderful whiskey bar. And the first time someone takes 386 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.200 you there, they you will think they are taking you there. 387 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.079 To kill you and dispose of you. You're going down 388 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.039 an all, down an alley, down a flight of stairs, 389 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.039 and you bang on an iron door and then behind 390 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:41.359 it there is this little speakeasy. It's a one. Wow, 391 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:43.240 it's about one of the best collustions of whiskey on 392 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:47.039 the planet. Yeah, it is. It's it's phenomenal. And so 393 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.440 and you know, this kind of became a recurring theme 394 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:52.160 of like, oh wow, if I'd known people were going 395 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:54.880 to do that, that I would have I would have. 396 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:58.599 And so that there's there's about a week of you know, 397 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:00.200 a lot of it to activity, and then and it 398 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:02.319 dies away like it made hack and use, it made Reddit, 399 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:05.200 it got write ups in a like Boing boying and things, 400 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:07.519 and then it kind of goes away and then it 401 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:09.880