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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everybody to another episode of Hard Trews podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Ashton Forbes, and today I have a very

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<v Speaker 1>special guest, doctor John Brandenburg. He's a plasma physicist. He's

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<v Speaker 1>been well known in the UFO communities for his opinions

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<v Speaker 1>and as physics and science around the potential nuking of Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to talk about gem unification theory. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about quantum mechanics, plasma aliens, Mars everything. John Brandenburg,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much for joining me today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great pleasure and honor to be on your show,

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<v Speaker 2>ash to be talking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and let's just start right away. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>dig into the secret science, government and stuff. Tell us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about your background in terms of your

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<v Speaker 1>connections to the government, any defense contractors or any contract

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<v Speaker 1>work that you've been doing in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, well, I kind of became part of the

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<v Speaker 2>defense research establishment back in when I was getting my PhD.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it at Lawrence Littlemore National Lab. I had

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<v Speaker 2>acute clearance. Then I went from there to another Lawrence

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<v Speaker 2>little More Lab is a lab doing energy experiments and

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<v Speaker 2>then also they designed hydrogen bombs on the other end

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<v Speaker 2>of the lab, and I worked at both ends. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Sanda National Labs, another nuclear weapons lab,

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<v Speaker 2>and worked on directed energy weapons. There. I didn't work

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<v Speaker 2>directly on nuclear weapons, but I picked up a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of knowledge. They were kind of always trying to recruit

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<v Speaker 2>me and get me interested in it, and so they

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<v Speaker 2>told me a lot of stuff and which I had

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<v Speaker 2>a clearance for years a time. Okay. Oh. I started

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<v Speaker 2>there in nineteen seventy five and I finished my PhD

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty one. Then I went to Sandia National

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<v Speaker 2>Labs and worked there till about nineteen eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know we had directed energy weapons back in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely, absolutely, it was. It was a big program

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<v Speaker 2>at Livermore and at San die.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they can shoot them off of satellites

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<v Speaker 1>or what do you think the way? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>these were connected to these directed energy weapons?

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<v Speaker 2>The directed energy weapons, we worked with the electron beam

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<v Speaker 2>weapons and we were focused on shooting downs basically just missiles.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very it was very tactical. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of protecting ships, you know, like aircraft carriers from

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<v Speaker 2>cruise missiles and electron beam hits. A lot harder than

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<v Speaker 2>a laser. You hit something with a laser, most of

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<v Speaker 2>the energy just bounces off and reflects, but the electron

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<v Speaker 2>beam would go right through it. And so we hey

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought I did a really good job. I

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<v Speaker 2>saved the project at San die But the politics was

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<v Speaker 2>such that I violated procedures when I saved the project

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<v Speaker 2>by contradicting one of my management and so my reward

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<v Speaker 2>was basically, they said, we don't want you to work

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<v Speaker 2>here anymore. I don't you go someplace else, And so

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I went to Mission Research Corporation in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. Which was then part of the Reagan Arms

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<v Speaker 2>build up the Star Wars. So then I went to Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>D C. And I had a top secret clearance and

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<v Speaker 2>worked with the Pentagon and the Intel agencies on basically

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<v Speaker 2>space plasma type applications. I worked on fusion energy also.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're hitting a lot of topics I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. First of all, I need to understand this

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<v Speaker 1>concept of Q clearance. I've heard this mentioned all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I related to energy or what is clear

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<v Speaker 1>heard that q.

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<v Speaker 2>Q clearance is specifically, it's a Department of Energy clearance

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<v Speaker 2>related to knowledge of how nuclear weapons work and what

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<v Speaker 2>their effects are, and you know, it's like it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Q clearance is just kind of an entry level.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's equivalent to the military top secret clearance, which

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<v Speaker 2>I when I left San Dia Labs, they simply just

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<v Speaker 2>transferred by clearance from being a Q clearance to being

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<v Speaker 2>a top secret clearance with the Pentagon, so I could

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<v Speaker 2>work on on direct energy weapons and space defense.

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<v Speaker 1>You have nbas that you can't talk about certain stuff

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<v Speaker 1>still to this day. I mean that was fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they run out or how did that work?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? The subjects that I worked on are now kind

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<v Speaker 2>of unclassified. There are a few things I'm not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about, and but those are not Those are

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<v Speaker 2>not big deals, especially in the context of Mars and

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<v Speaker 2>the whole UFO UAP thing. I was never ready into

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<v Speaker 2>those programs. I basically just most of the stuff I

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<v Speaker 2>heard about the UFO UAP thing was around the coffee

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<v Speaker 2>machine and the cooler in these classified facilities where I worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically just like work, colleagues and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking absolutely absolutely they would because of my Mars work.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone was aware that I'd been involved in working on

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<v Speaker 2>a dead civilization on Mars. So people felt free to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss things that they had knew that they knew or

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<v Speaker 2>had heard about UFO prom and it was a frequent

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<v Speaker 2>topic of conversation, especially just before nine to eleven. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was working with the agencies of the

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<v Speaker 2>Pentagon in a classified you know, work setting where everything

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<v Speaker 2>we did was classified.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were a contractor when you were working with

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<v Speaker 1>the Pentagon and came back in the nineties then then

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<v Speaker 1>had secret clearance or top secret clians.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was a contractor working for Mission or Search Corporation,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was a private consultant. Then I also worked

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<v Speaker 2>for a company called the Aerospace Corporation. It's the Air

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<v Speaker 2>Force think tank, and they would basically you were considered

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<v Speaker 2>just a staff scientists and they would basically send you

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<v Speaker 2>to sites to work on various problems.

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<v Speaker 1>And really that's how that works. Hold on, that's useful.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think be able to know that. So Aerospace

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<v Speaker 1>Corporation is a think tank for the Air Force. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>would higher on scientists and then just send them to

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<v Speaker 1>go do project works.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and you'd have a security clearance and then

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<v Speaker 2>they would send you to various agencies around town in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. To work on various projects, and so you

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<v Speaker 2>would there was no there wasn't any working remotely. It

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<v Speaker 2>was all office work inside classified facilities. But my job,

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<v Speaker 2>my badge set Aerospace Corporation, which was a very you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very nondescript kind of name that the

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force had adopted. So what attracted the attention.

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<v Speaker 1>They love their nondescript names, like how you got patent system?

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<v Speaker 1>These people, these spooks, they know how to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all Ashton. It was all pretty spooky, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I heard a whole bunch of stuff about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people were talking quite frankly about UFO kind

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<v Speaker 2>of phenomenon when I was working in these classified facilities.

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<v Speaker 2>And so finally after nine to eleven, Uh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>left simply because the money all went for boots and

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<v Speaker 2>bullets in the Afghanistan. And so I took a job

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<v Speaker 2>down in Florida at the Kennedy Space Center, working for

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<v Speaker 2>the Florida Space Institute. And as I at my farewell

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<v Speaker 2>luncheon with a bunch of people the agency, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'd always wanted to write some science fiction,

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard a lot of interesting things around the

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<v Speaker 2>water cooler and you know, a coffee machine in the

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<v Speaker 2>hall before and after meetings. I was gonna kind of

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<v Speaker 2>put that all in a science fiction novel. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think of that? And they, to my surprise, very positive.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, John, we loved your reports. If you write

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<v Speaker 2>a novel, a science fiction novel with all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that you heard in there, we'll read it and makes

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<v Speaker 2>just that's fine with us as long as it's labeled

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<v Speaker 2>science fiction. So I made it a science fiction soap opera,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And and it's Morning Star passed the collapse

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<v Speaker 2>of the UFO cover up. I'd just gone through nine

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<v Speaker 2>to eleven, and one of my bosses commented, were there

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<v Speaker 2>in DC going through nine to eleven? And one of

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<v Speaker 2>my bosses commented, two weeks after it had happened. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>if this could happen, anything could happen. And so my

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<v Speaker 2>in my novel, two women, of course glamorous news anchors

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<v Speaker 2>bring down the UFO cover up and finally, at great

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<v Speaker 2>risks of their lives, and there's an attempted cootie ta

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<v Speaker 2>by the secret government which says the UFO cover up

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<v Speaker 2>is too big to fail. So there's actually a tank

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<v Speaker 2>tank battles in the streets of Washington, d C. At

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<v Speaker 2>Capitol Hill and uh and you know I like it,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>What is there any time travel in it?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh No, there, you know it was. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>flashback or two. But uh no, I'm a I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a big fan of time travel as a physicist.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like the second law, therminyamics basically, and the

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<v Speaker 2>expansion of the universe. Those are kind of things that

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<v Speaker 2>determine the the arrow of time. And you can't make

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<v Speaker 2>all the galaxies come back closer together, and by that token,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can't go back in time. And we all

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<v Speaker 2>wish we could go back in time and do things

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit differently than we did. You know, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen these experiments they do where they

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<v Speaker 1>are looking at waves and big pools of water and

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and they then look at the wave and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like model out the wave. Well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why I think that you might be mistaken. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had the same views that you just mentioned on

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<v Speaker 1>time travel. But it looks like there is quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>a time reversed wave that you can see basically the

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<v Speaker 1>reflection of all waves that occur. And if that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>then yes, you're right. Everything's getting more and more complicated

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<v Speaker 1>spreading apart. But then couldn't you, with a smart enough

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<v Speaker 1>computer or brain, you know, reverse things back to the

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<v Speaker 1>they would have been in the past and figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh, precisely, Ashton. You're intuitive. You're intuitive, and understanding

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<v Speaker 2>is correct. The microscopically, physics is time reversible. It's only

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the big picture a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>molecules interacting instead of just like two of them, two

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<v Speaker 2>of them, you can reverse time. But if you have

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of them, the second law of thermodynamics takes

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<v Speaker 2>over the same way. With the universe. An individual galaxy,

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<v Speaker 2>you think, well, it's just sitting there spinning. You could,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, go back in time. But all of the

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<v Speaker 2>galaxies are spreading apart, and that that gives you a

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<v Speaker 2>definite time sense. But the only times I've ever been

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<v Speaker 2>really wrong about anything, Ashton, is when I said something

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<v Speaker 2>is impossible, so I considered unlike, I considered unlikely but

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<v Speaker 2>not impossible, that they could do time travel. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>great topic for science fiction. I wrote a science fiction

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<v Speaker 2>short story about that, and and the guy went back

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus and everything everything went wrong. He was arrested

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<v Speaker 2>by a spy by the Romans, and Flogg well, we

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<v Speaker 2>almost died because he missed the time to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>So everything everything went wrong and he ended up being

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, there's a lot of paradoxes, especially with going

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<v Speaker 1>that I agree with you that maybe if there is

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<v Speaker 1>a way to manipulate time, it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the science fiction I'm going back to nineteen fifty Evan

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, kill my grandfather and then stop. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be more of like life extension technology, like the

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<v Speaker 2>certain things are not discussed. Yeah, scandalous things like the

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<v Speaker 2>or at the And so that's Wheeler Feinneman theory basically

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<v Speaker 2>fiction is because I realized science fiction was prophetic so

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<v Speaker 2>many times, yeah that you had to Like, somebody wrote

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<v Speaker 2>this novel called Futility. It didn't sell well with that title,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was about a great, big steamship full of

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<v Speaker 2>and the description of the ship, it matches the Titanic

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<v Speaker 2>almost exactly. It was written twelve years before the Titanic disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of predictive programming, and like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the things of x files, where x

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<v Speaker 1>it does make you wonder how much of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it being fiction, when in reality I'm an example.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an example of you know. In fact, I joke,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I am the coolest tool of the US government,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and that they basically encouraged me to write

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff about UFOs as science fiction. And I

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<v Speaker 2>ran into some people from the agencies I worked with,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had read the novel and they said, John,

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<v Speaker 2>how did you know all that stuff? You know? And

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's a there's a lot of stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood movie science fiction movies that I believe was directly

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<v Speaker 1>It's comfortable with the idea of this technology and other

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, uh, oh well, the ever since World War

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<v Speaker 2>two and and before that, the British Film Board basically

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to send you up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, well they have. They've been trying to bring

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<v Speaker 2>the public up to speed. Believe it or not. Their intent,

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<v Speaker 2>their overarching intention is that certain things will become kind

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<v Speaker 2>of common knowledge, but not certain other things. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they like I found out that, for instance, Roswell would

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<v Speaker 2>actually the Roswell incident was a shootdown. It wasn't two

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<v Speaker 2>saucers crashed in the middle of the night. They didn't crash,

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<v Speaker 2>They were shot down apparently, So I wrote a book

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 1>What by radar or something else?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they were shot down by Uh, they got bit

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<v Speaker 2>by a black Widow, which was the Air Forces night

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<v Speaker 2>fighter at the time. It was a World War two

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<v Speaker 2>night fighter. It was a it was twin piston engine fighter,

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<v Speaker 2>but it had radar in the nose. It had was

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<v Speaker 2>very heavily armed with four twenty milimeter cannons and a

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<v Speaker 2>turd on top with four fifty caliber machine guns in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the it was only you're the uh, World War two,

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<v Speaker 2>had all these veteran crews for these night fighters and

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<v Speaker 2>they were stationed in the Southwest. And according to phil

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<v Speaker 2>of Courso, the when the UFO government, when the UFO

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<v Speaker 2>Saucer surge, Uh, the Air Force, uh, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the Air Force and it was this Army Air Corps

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<v Speaker 2>concentrated all of its security around Roswell. Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what was stored at Roswell. All the nucletar weapons on

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<v Speaker 2>Earth were stored at Roswell, along with the bombers to

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<v Speaker 2>carry them. Yeah, so the government was protected. This was

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<v Speaker 2>the first incident of the UFOs zooming in on our

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<v Speaker 2>nucletar weapons stockpile, and the US government. After Pearl Harbor,

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<v Speaker 2>the Battle of the Bulbs, world worked to the death camps.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it was not going to tolerate any anything

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<v Speaker 2>that looked like a threat. So they they had at night,

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<v Speaker 2>these night fighters and apparently they they ambushed two UFOs,

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<v Speaker 2>two saucers over Roswell trying to spy on our nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>weapons and shot him down. One of them Crashedswell.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, let me, I'm gonna play Devil's advocates. I'm skeptical,

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<v Speaker 1>and I grow more and more skeptical of the connection

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<v Speaker 1>between UFOs and nuclear nuclear weapons as time goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll explain why I've actually was all in on

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<v Speaker 1>this idea before. And Robert Salah, you know, he's I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the nuclear technicians that says he watched

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<v Speaker 1>his stuff get disabled by the UFOs. Wouldn't nukes just

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<v Speaker 1>be like little child's twice compared to a species that

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<v Speaker 1>has a craft that can there's my phone just float

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<v Speaker 1>like this freely, because according to mainstream physics, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>fuel source that could fit within this UFO make this

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<v Speaker 1>be able to fly off to other solar systems. It

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<v Speaker 1>would just no amount of mass could fit within what

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<v Speaker 1>just make it heavier, and we'll just make it harder.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means they must have an energy source that's

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<v Speaker 1>far beyond nuclear atomic bombs. So why the hell, sorry

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<v Speaker 1>for my part of my French. Why would the aliens

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<v Speaker 1>give a crap about some primitive apes figuring out how

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<v Speaker 1>nukes work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's a lot of things Ashton about the whole

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<v Speaker 2>UFO experience that don't make a lot of sense until

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<v Speaker 2>you realize that part of this is a display. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a psy op operation. Oh here, here's now. I

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely believe that there are alien species out there that

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<v Speaker 2>were not alone in the universe. We found that out

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<v Speaker 2>about bars.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean, the universe is huge, so you

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<v Speaker 1>know you don't have to convince me of that there's

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<v Speaker 1>probably aliens out there somewhere. If we can teleport, then

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<v Speaker 1>aliens can get to us. Really easily as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And they could also be oh yeah, yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>there's what's called the Einstein Rosen Bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so yeah, you can find question is why

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<v Speaker 1>do they care about nukes? Then, if they've got this

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<v Speaker 1>super advanced technology, why they care about nukes? Just give

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<v Speaker 1>me like the top one or two reasons? Oh uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, because nukes use the same power source. That power

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<v Speaker 2>is supernova's and uh yeah, they know that if their

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<v Speaker 2>ship gets hit with a tactical nuke, it will be destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't from the destructive power.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, just from the destructive power. Uh ash. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to remember a lot of uh this is uh you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a you know, great white hunter arriving in New

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<v Speaker 2>Guinea and he's standing there in his khakis with his

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<v Speaker 2>rifle and he says, I have a magic bangstick, and

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<v Speaker 2>the natives then pepper him with arrows because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have anybody and he's dead. Funk funk funk. So much

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<v Speaker 2>for white Man's magic. And and but you want to

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<v Speaker 2>create the pretense that your bulletproof. And you'll notice in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of science fiction movies one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>things that happened is somebody will shoot an alien and

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<v Speaker 2>the alien will fall over dead. This great scene in

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<v Speaker 2>Earth versus the Flying Saucers, once they got outside their

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<v Speaker 2>air their force field, they could be shot just like

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<v Speaker 2>anything else. And and and this agrees with the reports

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<v Speaker 2>from even abductees that sometimes abductees have actually real if

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<v Speaker 2>they're coming and sit there with a gun, and the

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<v Speaker 2>aliens see that and decide not to not to hang around.

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<v Speaker 2>And but you want to keep up the pretense that, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>none of your weapons can hurt me. Fact, there's great.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a scene in the science fiction movie where a

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<v Speaker 2>alien and she's he says, can't hurt me, and she

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everybody, And that thing I like is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's they're not invincible. UFO is not invincible alien. But

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<v Speaker 1>we all, we all have to succumb to the physics

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<v Speaker 1>of this universe we live in. So let me go

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<v Speaker 1>down to another question. You said, yes, no, it's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just I want to dig into these topics,

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<v Speaker 1>which is okay, you want to go on energy stort.

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<v Speaker 1>The energy source is potentially the same way as a

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<v Speaker 1>New Kork let me just ask you this, what what

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<v Speaker 1>is the energy source for a UFO? Well, in your opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think the energy sources?

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, uh, some of it is a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it is beamed from the motherships. So you have

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<v Speaker 2>and and and by the way, if you if you're

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<v Speaker 2>defined gravity, you're making uh, the mass, the effective mass

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<v Speaker 2>of the UFO becomes zero. And interestingly enough, so once

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<v Speaker 2>you get over a threshold, you need very little energy

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it covering or flying. Uh. That's why they can,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do these sharp right turns as they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>basically being treated as if they have no inertia. And inertia,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, is the handshake that objects make with

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the the mass of the universe too,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, show that they have a mass. And so

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, uh, a lot of the smaller ships

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<v Speaker 2>are just beamed. They just have a nice tight microwave

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<v Speaker 2>beam on them to give them just enough power to

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<v Speaker 2>run everything. But they don't need much power when they're

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<v Speaker 2>when they're in this waitless state. If you if you're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in a state of local zero gravity, then

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need any energy to preserve that you have

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<v Speaker 2>all you need to do is make sure that that

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<v Speaker 2>the fields that do that are controlled. The larger ships

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<v Speaker 2>I believe run on fusion energy, just like the stars,

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<v Speaker 2>and once we figure out how to make fusion energy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're doing that now. I've worked on that

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<v Speaker 2>all my career, on and off to work on fusion

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<v Speaker 2>and it's incredibly You can make fusion energy that technically

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<v Speaker 2>releases no radiation, so you could actually sit beside the

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<v Speaker 2>thermonuclear reactor on your ship and it would generate megawatts

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<v Speaker 2>of power and enough to power just about anything you want.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh well, people talk about zero point energy and

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<v Speaker 2>you'd think, okay, like pressure, Like you know, a can

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<v Speaker 2>of air at very high pressure, you can get energy

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<v Speaker 2>from that. You open the valve and blow the air

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<v Speaker 2>through a turbine that gives you press But that's a

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<v Speaker 2>pressure difference. If you're a fish down to the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of Arianus Trench, you're surrounded by pressure, but you can't

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<v Speaker 2>feel it because the pressure inside you're the same as

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure outside equilibrium. So zero point energy, people, it

427
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<v Speaker 2>does have very high energy. I mean, quantum mechanics predicts

428
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<v Speaker 2>that the universe has all of this energy in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Every every cubic centimeter. But here's an example of how

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<v Speaker 2>to release zero point energy. Make yourself a small black

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<v Speaker 2>hole and putting stuff into it. That black hole will

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<v Speaker 2>swallow most of what you feed into, the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>it will vaporize and turn into a plasma. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you put up what's called an MHG generator to get

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<v Speaker 2>the energy out of the plasma flow out, then you

436
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<v Speaker 2>can generate power from this black hole by just feeding

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<v Speaker 2>it aspirts every yeah, and so, but the thing is

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<v Speaker 2>is that if you lose control of that process, then

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<v Speaker 2>the black hole swallows everything a higher planet. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just saying, unless you know what you're doing on this,

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<v Speaker 2>well that's that's a way to do it. According to

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<v Speaker 2>soccerov android Sokarov, Russian.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he thinks. Okay, well then now I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the answer. So if that's just as simple

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<v Speaker 1>as I mean, and when you think of stuff, it

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<v Speaker 1>can just be energy because equals mc squared some masses energy.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we're just shooting like ado second laser pulses

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<v Speaker 1>continuously onto a point, then theoretically we can produce a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny black hole and sustain it by just keep zapping

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<v Speaker 1>it more and more and more, as long as we

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<v Speaker 1>have like perfect precision on our on our and we're

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<v Speaker 1>basically created a particle collider, then at that point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what that is, just lazer. So now

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<v Speaker 1>there was a paper that I read on this front

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<v Speaker 1>that said that it tried to our argue you. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a little too optimistic that the Hawking

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<v Speaker 1>radiation or black body radiation would prevent the black hole

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<v Speaker 1>from ever stabilizing, that it would radiate away before that occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>And he hot takes her opinions on that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you start me, oh, let me let you let

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<v Speaker 2>me say real.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick too before I before you answer, is that Salvator

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<v Speaker 1>Pais adamantly disagreed in private conversations with me and said

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<v Speaker 1>that for sure we can produce a black hole.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think, Well, Salva or Palas and

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<v Speaker 2>I have that. We even published a joint article where

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<v Speaker 2>he he made a great discovery mathematically from general relativity

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<v Speaker 2>called the super force, and you know, I helped him

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<v Speaker 2>get that published in the you know, just a scientific journal,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we get we get along just fine. I yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you could make a tiny black hole like with an

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<v Speaker 2>auto laser beam and and then. But according to Hawking

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<v Speaker 2>Hawking's theory, if you make this tiny black hole, it

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<v Speaker 2>disappears almost instantly and you just basically get the energy.

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<v Speaker 2>You're basically just taking perfectly good laser energy and turning

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<v Speaker 2>it into black body radiation coming out. There's no it's

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<v Speaker 2>not clear that you can get any gain from that.

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to view zero point energy as something that

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<v Speaker 2>if it was easy to do, it would be like

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<v Speaker 2>a black hole that could then get out of control

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<v Speaker 2>and swallow everything you were trying to power, uh, specifically

482
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<v Speaker 2>like your entire planet. So it I I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>big believer in zero point energy that will be able

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<v Speaker 2>to harness. But like I said, the the few times

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<v Speaker 2>I've been wrong in my physics s careers when I

486
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<v Speaker 2>said something is impossible, so uh, maybe that.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit more so, do you think pret energy

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<v Speaker 1>as possible as real? Are you more of the there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way to get more energy out than inn? I?

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<v Speaker 2>I pretty much. I don't think. I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 2>cause the cosmos provides you with a free lunch, except

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<v Speaker 2>for the entire cosmos itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Except for the entire the time that happened where everything

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<v Speaker 1>the entire lunch. That's my favorite counter is when people

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<v Speaker 1>say there's no such thing as energy from from nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I go, except for that time when the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Bang happened and all energy appeared from nowhere except.

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<v Speaker 2>See but you know, you're you're a podcast. That's great. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but you could talk about these things and

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, you're right. Uh, you know, the Big Bang

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't all you can eat buffet for lunch. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>uh so it's but fusion energy, especially burning like deuterium

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<v Speaker 2>and helium three, that has the potential to be You

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and

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<v Speaker 2>a free energy machine. It was just a black box

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<v Speaker 2>and you put in a tiny amount of helium and

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny amount of heavy hydrogen. You get all this

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<v Speaker 2>energy out. I mean, it would be easy, In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be easy for an alien to claim hold

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<v Speaker 2>my black box. Human. It produces free energy from the vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>And and then you say, well, what what are you

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<v Speaker 2>feeding into there? Oh? Helium? It helps, It helps, It

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<v Speaker 2>helps the reactions go, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, and it works.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, You've got to realize you can't believe, ye,

516
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<v Speaker 2>the universe is full of snake oil salesmen, and not

517
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<v Speaker 2>all of them are from Earth. You've got to realize

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<v Speaker 2>this is a cosmo political, almost cold war situation we

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<v Speaker 2>have going with some of these species, especially the little

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<v Speaker 2>short gray guys. And you can't believe anything they tell

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<v Speaker 2>you nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well before we get to the aliens that I

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<v Speaker 1>have any more hard physics questions on that front. So yes, yes, plasma.

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<v Speaker 1>So and this is something that I've struggled with, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that are people that are in the hot fusion

526
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<v Speaker 1>community really saying that we're just getting you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you do the chemistry, we turn two heavy hydrogen deuterium

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<v Speaker 1>atoms in to a helium and we get a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of access energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, you know it's it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Uh, but but in terms of since equals mc

533
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<v Speaker 2>square c is so big, the the amount of energy

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<v Speaker 2>at least is enormous.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, the fuel then heavy hydrogen is relatively

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<v Speaker 1>abundant right on planet Earth. So that would feel like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can get it from anywhere. Can we get it

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<v Speaker 1>from the air?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's because there's kind of like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>air on this planet. So you could just have your device.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen this n G eight company that is

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<v Speaker 1>literally producing cold fusion plasma that they claim just run

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<v Speaker 1>straight off the air just like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh No, I'm by the way myself, and we're telling

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<v Speaker 2>with a mentor at our school that I went to

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<v Speaker 2>at Livermore, and he would come around and talk to

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<v Speaker 2>us and give us lectures and stuff. I talked to

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<v Speaker 2>him several times. It was a great honor to me

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, and he basically encouraged us to always

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<v Speaker 2>think practically about everything. And his reaction to cold fusion was, well, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>there's probably It turns out the volcano is on the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the ocean in the mid Atlantic Ridge put

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<v Speaker 2>out all of this heavy helium. It's called helium three

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<v Speaker 2>or no, actually light helium helium three instead of helium four,

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<v Speaker 2>and helium three is the product of fusion reactions. So

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<v Speaker 2>he's that nature is already doing cold fusion. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>explanation for all this helium three coming out of these

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<v Speaker 2>volcanoes under and but at the same time, my own

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<v Speaker 2>experience has been that yes, you can apparently get some

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<v Speaker 2>energy out of cold fusion, but very little. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>a radium watch dial puts out light. Okay, maybe you

563
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<v Speaker 2>could clamp solar cells on a radium watch dial and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting infinite energy from radium. Well, it's not very

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<v Speaker 2>much energy. It's not enough energy to run the watch

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<v Speaker 2>as it turns out, you know you have to. But

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<v Speaker 2>people have invented now nuclear batteries that run for thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of years without needing to be recharged, but they don't

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<v Speaker 2>put out much power. Nature Yeah good, Yeah, yeah. Nature

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<v Speaker 2>likes big releases of energy like quick start uh, massive

571
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<v Speaker 2>invests in a star in order to get like this

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<v Speaker 2>to make the sun work. By my son, who's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a wise acre, but it's also very smart, he said, Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to have harness fusion power, just put

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<v Speaker 2>up a sol.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe nature.

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00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Nature has. Well, you may very well be right, and

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<v Speaker 2>somebody in his garage a harness figure out a way

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<v Speaker 2>to harness cold fusion. But my own impression after examining

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<v Speaker 2>that field for many, many years is the main problem

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<v Speaker 2>with cold fusion is that it's cold, and because it's cold,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not producing. It's not giving you much. It's more

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<v Speaker 2>like a radium watchtyal than than uh than something like

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<v Speaker 2>a fusion reactor like the sun don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, you know, like that that's I look

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<v Speaker 1>at that problem. Is that's a benefit, Like we can

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<v Speaker 1>do cold fusion they produce.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, there's no question that we can harness nuke

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<v Speaker 2>and or energy to get electrical power. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>used to live in Wisconsin and uh, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>had four nuclear power We had four nuclear power stations

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<v Speaker 2>powering the uh state during the winter. Uh. Uh. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a guy who was I was teaching at a

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<v Speaker 2>college state college and teaching physics and astronomy, and one

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<v Speaker 2>guy on staff. He was a big advocate for wind

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<v Speaker 2>power and solar power. And in the middle of winter,

598
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.559
<v Speaker 2>I would drive to into work and I'd see him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's say, Josh, there's no wind, there's no sun. Why

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<v Speaker 2>are the lights on in this building? And the answer

601
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<v Speaker 2>was nuclear power? And so we've already. But but you know,

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00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:29.000
<v Speaker 2>of course that fission power has its own problems. Chernobyl, Fukushima,

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<v Speaker 2>through Mile Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything has So I don't find it very efficient though,

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<v Speaker 1>to just boil some water and spin a turbine. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like a very intelligent way to produce energy

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And you might be right. Maybe right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have very powerful zero point energy taps.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just an engineering problem to me. I mean you say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we can produce some energy, but we can only produce

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of amount. And I say, okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>let's try something else. And I would say maybe plasma

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<v Speaker 1>for example. And this leads me my next question that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you about, which is are you

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with Ken's Shoulders? Are you familiar with hal Pudolph?

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<v Speaker 1>And do you know about their EV hold on, let

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<v Speaker 1>me finish with quick. Do you know about their ev

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<v Speaker 1>condensed charge research that the Pentagon like highly prioritized in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineties. So because they like the answer all

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<v Speaker 1>your the questions that you said there about the zero

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<v Speaker 1>puin energy, the plasma, everything we've been saying to me is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>look at Ken shoulders ev O work, because he's basically saying,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the answers to all the problems that you just described.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken Shoulders was just a marvelous guy. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>very pleasant luncheon and after I spent hours sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>my office and he was chatting with me in Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. And we got along famously he showed me

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<v Speaker 2>all his experimental work and oh it was just great. Uh,

630
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<v Speaker 2>it's so sad that he's not around now. He And

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is that he told me he was not

632
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<v Speaker 2>talking about it as an energy source. But you know,

633
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that his thoughts evolved on and he maybe

634
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<v Speaker 2>figured out a way the phenomenon that he found his

635
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 2>EVS electron velorum, the strong electrons. I believe that that

636
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<v Speaker 2>he was really onto something. In fact, that it didn't

637
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<v Speaker 2>get pursued. He is that probably it's part of a

638
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:40.559
<v Speaker 2>classified program someplace. You know, all of us my own

639
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>experience has stumbled on how to make gravity modification in

640
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<v Speaker 2>the lab. I mean it was very tiny amount. It's

641
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<v Speaker 2>Parker was when I would talk about publishing it, the

642
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<v Speaker 2>people who had paid me to do the work, whom

643
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<v Speaker 2>I later discovered work for the agency, said, uh, we

644
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<v Speaker 2>we think that that would be a bad idea. John. Uh,

645
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, we paid you good money to do this

646
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<v Speaker 2>research and own it, and we don't want it out.

647
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<v Speaker 2>There was the what they told me. Yeah, uh, you

648
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<v Speaker 2>know it was, And it was it was not even direct.

649
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:26.199
<v Speaker 2>It was more like, John, you'll be on really shaky

650
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<v Speaker 2>ground if you try to get this stuff publish and

651
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<v Speaker 2>if you want any more money from us, you won't

652
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<v Speaker 2>do that. And so so basically I discovered that the

653
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<v Speaker 2>government could do gravity modification based on this GEM theory

654
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<v Speaker 2>that I had worked on. And what that meant, though,

655
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<v Speaker 2>was that there was an enormous classified program going on

656
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<v Speaker 2>on about this and that, uh, they basically wanted to

657
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<v Speaker 2>see what I could do based on this fairly rudimentary

658
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<v Speaker 2>theory I developed of unifying gravity in D and M.

659
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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to see what I could do with it

660
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<v Speaker 2>and to see if they had to, uh, you know,

661
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<v Speaker 2>give me a bus ticket to Site fifty one. And

662
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<v Speaker 2>what they did is they kind of satisfied, satisfied themselves

663
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<v Speaker 2>that I didn't have you know, I couldn't make anything

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<v Speaker 2>flyer out of the rule. I would just make things

665
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<v Speaker 2>get lighter on a on a chemical scale. And so

666
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<v Speaker 2>what they did is they basically just said, good work, John,

667
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<v Speaker 2>don't talk about this to anybody, and maybe it will

668
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<v Speaker 2>give you some more money. More money was not forthcoming.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally I got a two hundred thousand dollars grant from

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<v Speaker 2>DARPA to developed my theory of gravity E and M unification,

671
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:10.599
<v Speaker 2>which leads to control gravity. And one of these stipulations

672
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<v Speaker 2>when I got the money from DARPA is we don't

673
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<v Speaker 2>want you doing experiments. This is purely theoretical. Do you understand?

674
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<v Speaker 2>And I said, yes, sir, please sign my check. So

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<v Speaker 2>let me.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're familiar with ken shoulders work, You said, but

677
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<v Speaker 1>what about how the name that comes up.

678
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<v Speaker 2>How put Off? Oh, how put Off is a scholar

679
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<v Speaker 2>and gentleman. Uh. And he has a very similar theory

680
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<v Speaker 2>to mine find gravity and E and M that he

681
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 2>has published. He and I get the same results for

682
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:02.039
<v Speaker 2>how to produce gravity. And I just published in an

683
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<v Speaker 2>article where I basically showed that you can get the

684
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<v Speaker 2>same you know in the equation that gives you flight

685
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<v Speaker 2>for airplanes, you know the wing, the basic design of

686
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the wing for an airplane. It's called the Bernoulli equation.

687
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<v Speaker 2>You can actually derive what's called that works in the vacuum.

688
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 2>It works on the moon because it's changing gravity with electromagnetism.

689
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<v Speaker 2>And I showed that I can get that equation from

690
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 2>my theory, and then if I go to how Putoff's theory,

691
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<v Speaker 2>I can get the same equation using his equations. So

692
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<v Speaker 2>we have slightly different models. His both of our models

693
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>can be summarized in that if you have two bright

694
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<v Speaker 2>objects in a dark box, they put out a black

695
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<v Speaker 2>body radiation field. They push against each other because of

696
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.679
<v Speaker 2>radiation pressure, so they'll push each other apart in this

697
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<v Speaker 2>dark right, objects in a dark box push each other

698
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<v Speaker 2>apart because of mutual radiation pressure. If you put two

699
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<v Speaker 2>dark objects in a bright box, you eat the box,

700
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>so it's white hot. They actually attract one another because

701
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<v Speaker 2>of mutual shadowing, and it goes as one over our square,

702
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:33.039
<v Speaker 2>just like gravity. And that is kind of a way

703
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<v Speaker 2>to summarize the theory of both myself and how put Off.

704
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<v Speaker 2>How put Off's original work was based on Andre's Sokrov

705
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<v Speaker 2>You must understand that a hydrogen bomb runs on radiation pressure.

706
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<v Speaker 2>You set off an atomic bomb inside a watermelon shaped

707
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.320
<v Speaker 2>casing at one end of the case. One end of

708
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<v Speaker 2>the watermelon is an atomic bomb, and you focus all

709
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<v Speaker 2>of the energy coming out of that onto the other end,

710
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 2>where they have a ball of hydrogen isotopes, and that's

711
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:12.320
<v Speaker 2>what gives you up. And so Andre Sokaroff was working

712
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.400
<v Speaker 2>on that basic design of hydrogen bomb, which is the

713
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<v Speaker 2>same as the Teller design.

714
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<v Speaker 1>And.

715
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.960
<v Speaker 2>He basically realized, oh, you could get a theory or

716
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.320
<v Speaker 2>gravity out of this. So he published a very brief

717
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<v Speaker 2>article about how quantum the quantum zero point energy produces

718
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:40.760
<v Speaker 2>a radiation pressure that pushes objects together and published theory.

719
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<v Speaker 2>And how put Off took that theory and expanded on it.

720
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<v Speaker 2>And but I give Hall and I get along just great.

721
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.840
<v Speaker 2>He's a great guy. We basically get the same answers.

722
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, doctor Brandenburg. You know, I'm a huge fan of

723
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.719
<v Speaker 1>your gem unification theory. I love your analogy of the

724
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<v Speaker 1>black box and the light inside the black box or

725
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the light box with the black inside of it. And

726
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<v Speaker 1>the reason why I love it is that it shows

727
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<v Speaker 1>this duality of gravity where you can have this attractive

728
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<v Speaker 1>force or repulsive force. And I think that's one of

729
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<v Speaker 1>the big things that we get wrong on gravity, is

730
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<v Speaker 1>that we assume it only has one force effect, but

731
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<v Speaker 1>potentially it could have an opposite one. And I love

732
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<v Speaker 1>that your theory also explains you can actually calculate big

733
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<v Speaker 1>g which, as you were mentioning before I just had

734
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<v Speaker 1>to edit this, you were saying that this really impressed

735
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the people that you know, this theory

736
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<v Speaker 1>shows that we have big G. Now, are you familiar

737
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<v Speaker 1>with some other people that have come up with similar theories?

738
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<v Speaker 1>Like fried Wart Winterberg has this theory of plank Ether

739
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<v Speaker 1>hypothesis which is also very similar to yours, and how Pudolph.

740
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<v Speaker 1>There's another guy, Larry Reid, who is I think a

741
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<v Speaker 1>former Lockheed Martin engineer, that he has this big book

742
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<v Speaker 1>on quantum wave mechanics and it also has similar similar theories. Right,

743
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<v Speaker 1>were you familiar with any of them?

744
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not familiar familiar with Reid's uh work, But Friedrich

745
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<v Speaker 2>Winnenberg and I go way back. Unfortunately he's not with

746
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 2>us anymore. Yeah, yeah, he I met him first when

747
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I was working at Livermore.

748
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<v Speaker 1>Really he was a friend.

749
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<v Speaker 2>He was a friend of my one of my thesis advisors,

750
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and uh yeah, and then I would run into it

751
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:29.039
<v Speaker 2>periodically over the years. And uh his reaction to my

752
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:37.119
<v Speaker 2>big G was skepticism. Oh yes, he says, if you're right,

753
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I will carry your bags to Stockholm, you know, when

754
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<v Speaker 2>you get your Nobel Prize. I liked the sound of that.

755
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:48.239
<v Speaker 2>But uh, he he was he was a very cross,

756
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:53.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of a grumpy character when I knew him, and uh,

757
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, and uh, uh I'll give you one quick

758
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:01.920
<v Speaker 2>story about it. He pennantly figured out how to hydrogen

759
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 2>bomb worked and started publishing that and was amazed when

760
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.360
<v Speaker 2>the US government showed up and confiscated all his papers,

761
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't like that. He was very grumpy about that,

762
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and he he would show up at scientific meetings wearing

763
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<v Speaker 2>carrying a big billboard saying the government has confiscated my

764
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<v Speaker 2>papers and saying I can't talk about this or that.

765
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<v Speaker 2>And I remember the comment of my thesis advisor to him,

766
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<v Speaker 2>a very brilliant colony, Harry Seline, with us anymore. But

767
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<v Speaker 2>he said Freedwart. He always called him freed Wort. He said,

768
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<v Speaker 2>we already know how to build a hydrogen bomb. Tell

769
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<v Speaker 2>us something, tell us how to do you know, harness

770
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 2>fusion energy, So if you know, we could power our cars,

771
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, the hydrogen bomb problem, that's already been solved.

772
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:05.760
<v Speaker 2>And but so Winterberg was was a very independent, rugged individualists.

773
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:11.079
<v Speaker 2>He apparently worked for as a graduate student for Werner Heisenberg,

774
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<v Speaker 2>who was in charge of the the Nazi.

775
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Principle kind of like a big deal.

776
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the uncertainty principle.

777
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.760
<v Speaker 1>And mentor that was Winterbrig's mentor, And it turns out

778
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<v Speaker 1>he's been working on all this secret stuff and was

779
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<v Speaker 1>plasma researcher like you as well. And it turns out

780
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<v Speaker 1>you knew him. Oh, I just showed a picture of

781
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<v Speaker 1>his book. His books got an atomic bomb exploding on it.

782
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<v Speaker 1>On in front of his book. It's literally called nineteen

783
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<v Speaker 1>eighty one the Principles Physical Principles of Thermo Nuclear Explosive Devices.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can see why the government might like,

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<v Speaker 1>have you put him under lock and key?

786
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<v Speaker 2>So it was it was a very awkward situation. Finally,

787
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:59.639
<v Speaker 2>the government decided to just declassify a lot of the

788
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:01.159
<v Speaker 2>stuff that he was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>How they didn't when did that happen? Because what I

790
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<v Speaker 1>had heard.

791
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<v Speaker 2>That happened about in nineteen eighty about the end of

792
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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty one. Finally, so he kind of won. He

793
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of won that. But other people were figuring it

794
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:23.159
<v Speaker 2>out too, just from open literature. And but yeah, so

795
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<v Speaker 2>he yeah, but that was the thing, Freedmark. We already

796
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<v Speaker 2>know how to build a hydrogen Bob, tell us how

797
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<v Speaker 2>to build something useful.

798
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<v Speaker 1>You know, give us the free energy devices.

799
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<v Speaker 2>Free energy devices.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you think about, Eric Davis? That's the

801
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.280
<v Speaker 1>last guy I want to ask you about Eric Davis.

802
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:48.960
<v Speaker 2>And Eric Davis is a brilliant guy. And he worked

803
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<v Speaker 2>with how put Off, which you know for years, which

804
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:56.559
<v Speaker 2>is anybody who worked with hal put Off is a

805
00:54:56.599 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 2>good guy. I haven't I haven't spoken to Eric Davis

806
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<v Speaker 2>uh in years. We had a few brief conversations and conferences.

807
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<v Speaker 1>What about his papers specifically, He's got one about extracting

808
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<v Speaker 1>energy from the vacuum and one of the methods is

809
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<v Speaker 1>using an electrostatic what they call it inertial electrostatic confinement process.

810
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<v Speaker 1>He's got a paper about ball lightning, which is basically

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<v Speaker 1>how to stabilize the ball of plasma. And then he

812
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:34.599
<v Speaker 1>also got a paper on wormholes, traversible wormholes, stargates and

813
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<v Speaker 1>dark energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, these are all very very interesting, good things. I

815
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<v Speaker 2>myself was tasked by the Air Force to make ball lightning,

816
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<v Speaker 2>only overbidden to call it ball lightning. We were given

817
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<v Speaker 2>three quarters of a million dollars in a three year

818
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<v Speaker 2>program to make ball lightning. We managed to make it

819
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<v Speaker 2>in microwave ovens and UH and it would just run

820
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<v Speaker 2>for minutes. You could just make this ball of fire

821
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<v Speaker 2>appear and UH sit there for minutes. In the microwave oven. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>We finally made it as big as soccer balls in

823
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<v Speaker 2>a in an industrial microwave. Well, we went to a

824
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<v Speaker 2>regular A regular microwave oven uses short wavelength uh, and

825
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<v Speaker 2>so they have industrial microwaves that uses a lower frequency,

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<v Speaker 2>so the wavelengths are bigger, so you can cook larger

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<v Speaker 2>things like a ton of bacon. You can cook a

828
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<v Speaker 2>ton of bacon at once using industrial microwaves. So we

829
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<v Speaker 2>went up to the facility where they had a big

830
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<v Speaker 2>industrial microwave set up and made ball lightning there. We

831
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<v Speaker 2>made it as big as soccer balls.

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<v Speaker 1>All lightning and you call it something else.

833
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<v Speaker 2>We we called it pia leaning, persistent ionization and air

834
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<v Speaker 2>You'll notice if you watch a lightning strike someplace, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a lightning strike and then they'll be like half

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<v Speaker 2>a second, we'll go by, and then a lightning strike

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<v Speaker 2>will fall exactly the same.

838
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<v Speaker 1>Path because their.

839
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Has been ionized and it stays ionized. And by the

840
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:29.559
<v Speaker 2>way that that violates all present theories of how the

841
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:34.679
<v Speaker 2>atmosphere works. So there's something mysterious. When we first produced

842
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.320
<v Speaker 2>our ball lighting, we went to a conference sponsor by

843
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.079
<v Speaker 2>the Air Force, and the people ahead of us were

844
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:44.679
<v Speaker 2>from some university. They had several professors and their teams

845
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:48.000
<v Speaker 2>of graduate students, and they said that what we're attempting

846
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.719
<v Speaker 2>to do is impossible. And then we rolled in a microwave,

847
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 2>ove it and did it right in front of them.

848
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, they didn't come up to me

849
00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.599
<v Speaker 2>and shake my hand afterwards. Now they sat in the

850
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.400
<v Speaker 2>back of the room and looked very grumpy like what

851
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 2>I'd done was cheap, some cheap carnival trick. But we

852
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 2>made it. Yeah, we made this ball lightning as big

853
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.719
<v Speaker 2>as the soccer balls that we got. Welder sunburned from it.

854
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:18.119
<v Speaker 2>So if you see ball lightning in your backyard, stay

855
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.440
<v Speaker 2>away from it. It's probably charge to a million bolts.

856
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you think you could turn it into a drone

857
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that could be remote controlled?

858
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, let me put it this way. If you are

859
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 2>generating anti gravity drive according to the theory that myself

860
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:38.320
<v Speaker 2>and help put Off has a very similar theory, then

861
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you're generating powerful electromagnetic fields around an object, and that

862
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:47.440
<v Speaker 2>will turn the air into a plasma state, like almost fire.

863
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 2>So you from a distance, it'll just look like a plasma,

864
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.119
<v Speaker 2>or you wouldn't even be able to see what's causing it?

865
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess my question is is there something that can

866
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.119
<v Speaker 1>you put something inside of it that can do that?

867
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Or does it have to be projected out to it

868
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:03.320
<v Speaker 1>like the you.

869
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Could put something inside of it. Uh. Something that's nullifying

870
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:14.480
<v Speaker 2>local gravity uses such a powerful electromagnetic fields. It actually

871
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:18.559
<v Speaker 2>breaks down the air uh to make it glow, and

872
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:22.880
<v Speaker 2>it makes a weak plasma in the air. And in fact,

873
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.119
<v Speaker 2>if you don't, if you're not careful, if you make

874
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 2>the plasma too intense, the whole effect will just shut

875
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 2>off and your thing will crash.

876
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Stabilize it, right.

877
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:39.280
<v Speaker 2>You have to stabilize it. So it's a uh. And

878
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.760
<v Speaker 2>by the way, according to my theory, you can tell

879
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:47.400
<v Speaker 2>UFOs are coming from miles and miles away before you

880
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:51.039
<v Speaker 2>can even see it, because they put out electromagnetic signature.

881
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.800
<v Speaker 2>And my own belief is the government already knows how

882
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 2>to pick. They can tell a they can tell a

883
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.679
<v Speaker 2>regular hobbyists. Uh.

884
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:09.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's absurd to think that with the UFOs

885
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:14.000
<v Speaker 1>using electromagnetic and like you know, endothermic drives is what

886
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call it. They're not the reason why we're

887
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:20.000
<v Speaker 1>filming an infrared and thermal and stuff like that is

888
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 1>partially because it's just better sensors, but also because they're

889
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:26.119
<v Speaker 1>able to pick this stuff up like instantaneously compared to

890
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:30.280
<v Speaker 1>optical spectrum. Right yeah, let me ask.

891
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.880
<v Speaker 2>You, so if you have the right if you are

892
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.239
<v Speaker 2>looking for the right frequencies of electromagnetism, and this has

893
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 2>been known in the UFO community for a long time. UH.

894
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:45.039
<v Speaker 2>They they say that one frequency that the UFO is

895
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:48.920
<v Speaker 2>like to use is thirty it's half of wall current

896
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:52.639
<v Speaker 2>instead of sixty hertz. Is thirty hurts And there are

897
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:57.920
<v Speaker 2>reasons for that that I won't go into, maybe, but

898
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a well, I mean it's it's it's you don't

899
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:05.000
<v Speaker 2>want to turn your UFO into a radio station because

900
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the shorter the wavelength, the more UH the more radio

901
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:15.599
<v Speaker 2>frequency you admit, and finally, all your power just goes

902
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:20.280
<v Speaker 2>into making UH E and M radiation radio waves. And

903
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.800
<v Speaker 2>you don't want that. You want the radio, You want

904
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the electromagna field to hang around your ships so you

905
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:29.679
<v Speaker 2>can fly. So my own belief is the government can

906
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:33.159
<v Speaker 2>pick up the U. I can tell the difference between

907
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Joe Butt's hobby uh drone that he's just flying around

908
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:43.800
<v Speaker 2>UH just because he likes to do that and and

909
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:49.440
<v Speaker 2>a real UFO. Uh by the way, I will I

910
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you want this opinion right now, but

911
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:57.239
<v Speaker 2>the whole drop, this whole so called drone thing, and

912
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:01.920
<v Speaker 2>its core, I believe is a UFO surge, of a

913
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:07.400
<v Speaker 2>surge of et UFO sightings. The government is then desperately

914
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.639
<v Speaker 2>running around with its own drones and its own helicopters

915
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.880
<v Speaker 2>with light bright lights on them. At night, all you

916
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.519
<v Speaker 2>can see just is the bright light. And so the

917
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:22.400
<v Speaker 2>government is trying to blow as much smoke as possible.

918
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 2>And they've always done this whenever there's a big surge

919
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:29.639
<v Speaker 2>of UFO siding, they call it swamp gas. They call

920
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it sightings of venus, they call it weather balloons. When

921
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:38.000
<v Speaker 2>they UFOs are flying over Washington, DC and jet fighters

922
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:41.920
<v Speaker 2>were chasing them, they said, these are just temperature inversions,

923
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:46.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, in the air. And so the

924
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.599
<v Speaker 2>drones are a very convenient thing where the government to

925
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:57.440
<v Speaker 2>use as a lame a lame excuse. I mean, if

926
01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.960
<v Speaker 2>these were real drones, they wouldn't be able to shut

927
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:03.679
<v Speaker 2>down Bright Patterson Air Force BACE and Langley Air Force Space.

928
01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're they're using its neuro linguistic programming. You know,

929
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 1>it's just a diversion. You can call the UFO a drone.

930
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:13.760
<v Speaker 1>This is why I was asking me the earlier question

931
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:16.320
<v Speaker 1>about do you think these balls of plasma can be drones?

932
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:20.480
<v Speaker 1>And what I would recommend, humbly you're the expert, is

933
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:25.480
<v Speaker 1>check out Ken Shoulders scientific paper called Primitivity Transitions, because

934
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:29.599
<v Speaker 1>it essentially argues that after he realized that space was

935
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:32.519
<v Speaker 1>not empty, there really is this ether of energy, the

936
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:35.280
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy. Yes, he realized that if you make

937
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:40.239
<v Speaker 1>this ball plasma, that it actually has anti gravity properties

938
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:43.679
<v Speaker 1>just naturally, because what's happening is the plasma's changing the

939
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.400
<v Speaker 1>permittivity of that region of space, changing the speed of light.

940
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And so it turned out that you could just if

941
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you think about biological extension, you could use this plasma

942
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:58.800
<v Speaker 1>on say a hypersonic spy plane to allow it to

943
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.559
<v Speaker 1>cut through the air. You could use it on a UFO,

944
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:04.199
<v Speaker 1>so you could have a craft inside, you know, and

945
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:07.960
<v Speaker 1>your plasma is covering your UFO or why have anybody

946
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.320
<v Speaker 1>in there at all? Why haven't be a transportation device

947
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.199
<v Speaker 1>at I'll just turn it into a drone. Just put

948
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:18.039
<v Speaker 1>a small and now you've got a drone that looks

949
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:21.159
<v Speaker 1>like a ball of plasma like a star that can

950
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:26.239
<v Speaker 1>just float around. And I and Hal putoff. He has

951
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:29.519
<v Speaker 1>like one major patent. It's been approved five different times.

952
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:34.480
<v Speaker 1>It's just called communication system. Like and this is one

953
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:38.360
<v Speaker 1>of the spookiest names ever because you read it and like, oh,

954
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:42.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a quantum communication system that doesn't use electric and

955
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:47.639
<v Speaker 1>magnetic fields. It just uses potentials, scaler potentials. I'm looking

956
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:50.639
<v Speaker 1>at it and I'm going, he's got a he's got

957
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a gravity communication device that can control a plasma drone

958
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.679
<v Speaker 1>because it says right in there it goes through plasma.

959
01:04:57.840 --> 01:04:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, well, there's your communication method.

960
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh uh, well, the the scaler uh, the scaler

961
01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:13.440
<v Speaker 2>waves phenomenon was first talked about by Tesla, who if

962
01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:16.800
<v Speaker 2>anybody would know about such stuff, it would be Tesla.

963
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:21.599
<v Speaker 2>So unfortunately he didn't leave a lot well in the

964
01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:25.440
<v Speaker 2>notes that we know about. And of course when he died,

965
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:28.360
<v Speaker 2>the FBI was in the middle of World War two.

966
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:33.800
<v Speaker 2>The FBI went to his apartment confiscated everything. In fact,

967
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:40.079
<v Speaker 2>it was Trump's uncle, President Trump's uncle John let the

968
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:45.719
<v Speaker 2>let let the uh you know, the team of FBI agents.

969
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.000
<v Speaker 2>They just took everything but the bare walls. I think

970
01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:51.679
<v Speaker 2>they even took the wallpaper that he might have scribbled on.

971
01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:56.800
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, he believed in scale the scaler potential, Uh,

972
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:02.400
<v Speaker 2>electromagnetic fields of you know ares they have you know,

973
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.360
<v Speaker 2>but this is like a pressure. This is like a

974
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:08.639
<v Speaker 2>sound wave. A sound wave is what's called a scalar wave.

975
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a pressure. It doesn't have any direction to it,

976
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.480
<v Speaker 2>it just has a number. And Tesla talked about this

977
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.440
<v Speaker 2>is It turns out the gem theory I work on

978
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and also which was used by Einstein is based on

979
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:30.159
<v Speaker 2>Cluza kaline theory five dimensional theory. And when you do

980
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:35.719
<v Speaker 2>the five dimensional theory to unify, it unifies the mathematics

981
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:40.800
<v Speaker 2>of gravity and electromagnetism. So it does that, and what

982
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:46.159
<v Speaker 2>also falls out is this scalar field that so.

983
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Let me jump in here because I'm Bearden also references

984
01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 1>all the same physicists, Clusa, Client, soccer Ov, everybody you've

985
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:58.280
<v Speaker 1>been talking about, and he explains, uh, scalar physics. A

986
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:00.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't understand it. And so I I

987
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:03.079
<v Speaker 1>think this demonstration will help because this is actually something

988
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Tom Montalk he's also a physicist and engineer if you

989
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:09.199
<v Speaker 1>haven't talked about you should. He talks about this and

990
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:12.119
<v Speaker 1>it's a very simple thought. Is that right now, if

991
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:15.280
<v Speaker 1>you were to take two waves like electromagnetic waves with

992
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the right hand rule, blah blah blah, you have them

993
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:20.679
<v Speaker 1>out of phase of one another like this, or it

994
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.280
<v Speaker 1>can be a triangle formation any zero point system, so

995
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:25.280
<v Speaker 1>they cancel each other out. So whatever their amplitudes of

996
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:30.039
<v Speaker 1>their waves are, cancel each other out. Conventional physics would say, okay,

997
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:32.159
<v Speaker 1>that means I'm pulling on both sides of this rubber

998
01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:34.920
<v Speaker 1>band equally. Okay, so it's not gonna move left or

999
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:38.519
<v Speaker 1>right right now, I can pull twice as hard, same thing.

1000
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:40.719
<v Speaker 1>It's not moving left or right. I can play it

1001
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.719
<v Speaker 1>five times as hard. Eventually, this rubber band is gonna

1002
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:49.400
<v Speaker 1>snap right. That stress in the medium is the scaler potential.

1003
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:53.079
<v Speaker 1>That's the gravity. That's the effect that we feel from

1004
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:54.760
<v Speaker 1>all the energy around us all the time. What do

1005
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:55.039
<v Speaker 1>you think?

1006
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I like your analogy? I, with your permission, I will

1007
01:07:58.920 --> 01:07:59.599
<v Speaker 2>be using it.

1008
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead. I'm paying it forward. You know, I'm paying

1009
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:04.599
<v Speaker 1>the analogy forward because it's important. It's a simple way

1010
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:06.480
<v Speaker 1>to think about it, where you would never say that

1011
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.079
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing here like you would say that. The more

1012
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm pulling this, you're creating this stress and you can

1013
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.239
<v Speaker 1>hear it by you know, interacting with it. To me,

1014
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:17.159
<v Speaker 1>that's what space time is, and all the energy on

1015
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:20.119
<v Speaker 1>top of space time is is that there's different stresses.

1016
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And this is what I think Einstein showed in general relativity,

1017
01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:25.560
<v Speaker 1>different amounts of stresses in different regions. And this ball

1018
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:29.159
<v Speaker 1>of Earth that we're sitting on causes a very large

1019
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:33.359
<v Speaker 1>stress that we feel is gravity all around us. Right, yes,

1020
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:37.359
<v Speaker 1>so you know what, let's let's let's talk some smack

1021
01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:39.840
<v Speaker 1>about some people. You know, if you want to sound

1022
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.039
<v Speaker 1>off on the academic you know, maybe I'll sound off first,

1023
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:42.439
<v Speaker 1>and then.

1024
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:46.000
<v Speaker 2>You sound off on the academia.

1025
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:48.279
<v Speaker 1>You sound off on the academic community first, and then

1026
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.119
<v Speaker 1>I'll respond, and then all sound off on the UFO

1027
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:52.720
<v Speaker 1>community and you can respond.

1028
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.079
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I went to a string theory It

1029
01:08:56.159 --> 01:09:00.880
<v Speaker 2>was primarily a string theory conference because that's where theoretical

1030
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:05.960
<v Speaker 2>physics has been concentrating. I fortunately brought my nice girlfriend.

1031
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:08.520
<v Speaker 2>She wanted to go to the conference with me. And

1032
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:14.760
<v Speaker 2>I've been married twice and divorced twice, so anyway, so

1033
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:18.079
<v Speaker 2>she's standing there beside me. This guy looks like he

1034
01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:24.520
<v Speaker 2>wants to slug me. After I showed him my G

1035
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:28.439
<v Speaker 2>the derivation for Big G because they can't do it.

1036
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:34.520
<v Speaker 2>It's and he accused me of mathematical sleight of hand

1037
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.000
<v Speaker 2>that I'd hidden G on one side of the equation

1038
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:39.319
<v Speaker 2>made her appear on the other side. And I said,

1039
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:46.119
<v Speaker 2>here's the derivation. Here's my equation. It's three lines. Where's

1040
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:48.359
<v Speaker 2>big G on this other side of the equation that

1041
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:52.359
<v Speaker 2>I make magically appear? And and it was just like

1042
01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:56.319
<v Speaker 2>a fight in my old high school where I grew up.

1043
01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:58.760
<v Speaker 2>If you want to know where there's a fight, just

1044
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:01.199
<v Speaker 2>look for a crowd of people around it. And a

1045
01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:04.520
<v Speaker 2>bunch of people are crowded around to watch this. And

1046
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, he just was just furious with me.

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01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:11.600
<v Speaker 1>What do you think that? Where do you think that

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01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:12.239
<v Speaker 1>comes from?

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01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Like the string the string theory, real real academic science,

1050
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:25.960
<v Speaker 2>uh at, especially in the big leagues. Is it's you know,

1051
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.680
<v Speaker 2>it's like professional basketball. It's not supposed to be a

1052
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:33.359
<v Speaker 2>contact sport, but it is. Uh. In a tight game,

1053
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:38.479
<v Speaker 2>championship game with a tight score under the net in

1054
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the final minutes, the knees and the elbows start to fly.

1055
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, uh, it gets really personal.

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01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Uh do you think that money?

1057
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's a fight over It's a fight over money.

1058
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Uh and prestige power. I mean, how can I get

1059
01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:01.640
<v Speaker 2>to be a department head if I can't find Big G?

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01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:06.119
<v Speaker 2>And this guy Brandenburg has done it, you know, and

1061
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.560
<v Speaker 2>his number is part good to within a part per

1062
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:14.880
<v Speaker 2>ten thousand, you know. And this other graybeard came up

1063
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:19.279
<v Speaker 2>to my paper and I had the equations all up

1064
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:23.439
<v Speaker 2>on a big screen, and he says, he's looking at

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01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.399
<v Speaker 2>everything very carefully. And I said, sir, I can help

1066
01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:29.039
<v Speaker 2>you walk. I can walk you through this theory, you know,

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01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:32.800
<v Speaker 2>in my derivation for big G. And I also get

1068
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.479
<v Speaker 2>the mass of the proton, you know, which is massive hydrogen.

1069
01:11:37.279 --> 01:11:40.039
<v Speaker 2>And he just looks at me. He just glares at

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01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:43.159
<v Speaker 2>me and says, no, I can read it for myself.

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01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:49.359
<v Speaker 2>So these people won't give me zip credit because it

1072
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:53.479
<v Speaker 2>will Indeed, they view science as a zero sum game.

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01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:59.760
<v Speaker 2>If somebody else's theory, you know, if somebody else's theory

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01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:03.239
<v Speaker 2>it's any kind of credit or publication in a nice journal,

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01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:07.560
<v Speaker 2>then this this diminishes me. How can I become head

1076
01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of the department of physics at Harvard. If this idiot

1077
01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Brandenburg is running around talking about big G and so

1078
01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:23.039
<v Speaker 2>they go ahead. Yeah, so the government has determined the

1079
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:26.119
<v Speaker 2>the way that science will go in this country by

1080
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:32.000
<v Speaker 2>funding string theory for like thirty years. They're they're gas

1081
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:36.479
<v Speaker 2>lighting the entire academic community. In my opinion, string theory

1082
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:39.359
<v Speaker 2>obviously doesn't work. It doesn't produce anything that can be

1083
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:46.479
<v Speaker 2>tested in like at CERN, and basically the government says, well,

1084
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:48.399
<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't have strings in it, we're not going

1085
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:51.800
<v Speaker 2>to fund it. And what they're doing is they've they've

1086
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:57.479
<v Speaker 2>taken people like me and how put Off and some

1087
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.479
<v Speaker 2>other people have taken the too long range forces in

1088
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:05.159
<v Speaker 2>nature electromagnetism and gravity and unified the mathematically, which is

1089
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:10.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, started by clusive client theory, and they don't

1090
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:14.279
<v Speaker 2>want us working on that. In fact, even Einstein, who

1091
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:16.920
<v Speaker 2>worked on the unified field theory said he says, I've

1092
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:19.560
<v Speaker 2>gotten the impression the government is not happy with my

1093
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:23.399
<v Speaker 2>work on unified field theory and wishes I would not

1094
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:26.880
<v Speaker 2>talk about it anymore. And it's because there's been a

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01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:32.039
<v Speaker 2>classified anti gravity program. What you're really talking about is

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01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:35.920
<v Speaker 2>a theory of anti gravity for gravity modification.

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01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Wellhy can't academia figure it out? I mean, so, I

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01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:41.880
<v Speaker 1>guess you get it. Is it really just as simple

1099
01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:44.000
<v Speaker 1>as the money is coming from the government to fund it,

1100
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and they only fund the research that they want.

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01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:47.840
<v Speaker 2>They only fund the research they want.

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01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:49.800
<v Speaker 1>You would still think though that, and I agree with

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01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:52.239
<v Speaker 1>you by the way, that absolutely they don't want anyone

1104
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:55.319
<v Speaker 1>looking at unified theories. They don't want anybody looking down

1105
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.880
<v Speaker 1>any path that will lead them to the physics, which

1106
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:02.119
<v Speaker 1>is the ether. There isn't a field of energy that's

1107
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:05.319
<v Speaker 1>out there, there's an extra dimension like clues, a client said.

1108
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:08.199
<v Speaker 1>And because the moment you figure any of this out,

1109
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:12.600
<v Speaker 1>everything unravels. You realize like, oh, we can easily do fusion.

1110
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh we can produce we have these energy sources that

1111
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.920
<v Speaker 1>are exotic energy sources. We can produce anti gravity. We

1112
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:20.680
<v Speaker 1>might be able to sort of messing around with time

1113
01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:23.880
<v Speaker 1>as well. So you know, you can see why they

1114
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:26.680
<v Speaker 1>would do it. But the part I don't understand, how

1115
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:30.640
<v Speaker 1>are more physicists not figuring it out? From my perspective,

1116
01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:34.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm a guy with no PhD. I've been researching this

1117
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:37.000
<v Speaker 1>for the last year, year and a half, and I

1118
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.520
<v Speaker 1>realized there's I mean, I feel like, not only is

1119
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.359
<v Speaker 1>there something here, not only is this UFO phenomenon real,

1120
01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:45.800
<v Speaker 1>but the physics it's not even like there's all these options.

1121
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:47.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like the what you know, what you said with

1122
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.359
<v Speaker 1>gem theory, how Pudoph's theory. They're all soccer off. They're

1123
01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:53.520
<v Speaker 1>all based on this idea of this energy field all

1124
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:58.439
<v Speaker 1>around us. Yes, the same concept. And that's the answer there.

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01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:01.239
<v Speaker 1>It is these guys have all been saying it, you know,

1126
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Brandenburg here how put Off, Like, these guys might have

1127
01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:07.239
<v Speaker 1>seen UFOs and secret projects for all we know. I'm

1128
01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:09.079
<v Speaker 1>not saying you did, but you know, I think it

1129
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:14.000
<v Speaker 1>definitely has. And so it's like, why are the other

1130
01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:16.079
<v Speaker 1>people not figuring this out? What do you think the

1131
01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:18.560
<v Speaker 1>reason is? Why is it just like this guy Ashton

1132
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and my crew of misfits.

1133
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm part of a rebel band up in the

1134
01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:30.960
<v Speaker 2>hills basically along with hal put Off and some other

1135
01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:34.319
<v Speaker 2>workers who figured, you know, figured out the riddle. Uh.

1136
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:39.039
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, it's as simple as Okay, Brandenburg, you

1137
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:44.239
<v Speaker 2>have this theory with this Bernoulli vacuum Bernoulli equation. What

1138
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:47.159
<v Speaker 2>does an aircraft? What does a craft look? Like that

1139
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:51.600
<v Speaker 2>uses it. Well, it's a saucer with three bumps on

1140
01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:55.520
<v Speaker 2>the bottom, and and and once you see that picture,

1141
01:15:57.199 --> 01:16:00.880
<v Speaker 2>you just say, oh, this can't be right, and we're

1142
01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:04.600
<v Speaker 2>not going to fund this. And in fact, even the

1143
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:11.359
<v Speaker 2>word the term anti gravity markshe in the academic community

1144
01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:15.520
<v Speaker 2>is somebody who can't get funding from the government. You

1145
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:21.920
<v Speaker 2>call it gravity modification. And and but you but all

1146
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:25.439
<v Speaker 2>of that is apparently just completely been subsumed by this

1147
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:34.079
<v Speaker 2>string theory business, and they've wasted thirty billion dollars. And

1148
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:37.159
<v Speaker 2>you could say this is what's called the Winterberg effect.

1149
01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Winterberg stumbled on how to build the hydrogen bomb just

1150
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:45.119
<v Speaker 2>from the open literature. He was close enough that the

1151
01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:51.279
<v Speaker 2>government decided to confiscate all his papers, scolded him. It

1152
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:55.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't do any good. Finally they just ended up declassifying

1153
01:16:55.279 --> 01:17:01.960
<v Speaker 2>basically all its ideas. And uh so, but this is

1154
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:06.760
<v Speaker 2>the winner Berg effect applied to gravity E and M

1155
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:08.760
<v Speaker 2>gravity modification.

1156
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, there's suppression and stigma, adding stigma to certain

1157
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.399
<v Speaker 1>topics like you see this a lot. And this is

1158
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:24.119
<v Speaker 1>why I use certain topics like UFOs cold fusion anti gravity,

1159
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:26.319
<v Speaker 1>although I actually I use gravity modification just because I

1160
01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:31.319
<v Speaker 1>think it's more accurate. But yeah, they stigmatize these topics

1161
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:35.159
<v Speaker 1>and then nobody will touch them. Academia won't touch them.

1162
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Now I want to take it a step further because

1163
01:17:37.399 --> 01:17:40.079
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about aliens in the UFO community.

1164
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Is that I and I'm gonna I'm gonna be a

1165
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.680
<v Speaker 1>little adversarial here actually, But first I want to say

1166
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:49.079
<v Speaker 1>that when I started researching the UFO side of this,

1167
01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:53.399
<v Speaker 1>I was disgusted by the community. I did not expect.

1168
01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:57.720
<v Speaker 1>What I found is I found this community that's hyper political,

1169
01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:04.800
<v Speaker 1>that like admonishes conspiracy theorists while also claiming that there's

1170
01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:08.800
<v Speaker 1>this major conspiracy by the government to cover up aliens.

1171
01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:12.279
<v Speaker 1>And I also found that people were very obsessed with

1172
01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:15.159
<v Speaker 1>the idea of aliens in general. That everybody's got their

1173
01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:18.079
<v Speaker 1>belief system about what the aliens are, where they come from,

1174
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:21.680
<v Speaker 1>or what have you. Perfectly honest cards on the table.

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01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't care about any of that. I don't care

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01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:24.840
<v Speaker 1>where they come from, what they are. They actually don't

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01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:27.199
<v Speaker 1>even surprise me if they exist, because, like you said,

1178
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the universe is a big place. There's aliens.

1179
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:32.479
<v Speaker 1>There is a big I have no doubt whether or

1180
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:35.000
<v Speaker 1>not they're visiting us unless they're impacting my life, I don't.

1181
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't really care. But what I found with the

1182
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.960
<v Speaker 1>UFO me was much like what you reference with academias.

1183
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:45.600
<v Speaker 1>They treated like a zero sum game, like if I'm

1184
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.760
<v Speaker 1>coming in, I'm taking away attention. One of the things

1185
01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I heard a lot is that I'm hurting the UFO

1186
01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:55.199
<v Speaker 1>community when I come in with reticulous, a literal missing plane.

1187
01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm going, how am I hurting the UFO To me,

1188
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not like this community has a huge amount of

1189
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.640
<v Speaker 1>credibility here talking about the blue telepathic aliens that nobody's

1190
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:06.640
<v Speaker 1>ever videoed like, I'm talking about a real missing plane

1191
01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:10.399
<v Speaker 1>and technology. So here's the thing that I really wanted

1192
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:14.439
<v Speaker 1>to ask you about, is that my opinion after a

1193
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.359
<v Speaker 1>year and a half is that a lot of these

1194
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:19.520
<v Speaker 1>disclosure advocates, like the Luella Zando's of the world that

1195
01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:22.000
<v Speaker 1>are out there and anyone that's in his crew, you'll

1196
01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:25.119
<v Speaker 1>see them always doing stuff together, like Jeremy Corbel, the

1197
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:28.560
<v Speaker 1>George Naps. They are essentially, in my opinion, on the

1198
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:32.600
<v Speaker 1>government payroll, and they're saying that here we'll give you aliens.

1199
01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Aliens in this hand are real and that's not that

1200
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:39.439
<v Speaker 1>mind blowing to anybody, in my opinion. No, you're not

1201
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:42.560
<v Speaker 1>really revealing anything about it. And then they say, well,

1202
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm hiding something behind my back for national security. They say,

1203
01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I'll always tech national security, and I go, well, what

1204
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:51.319
<v Speaker 1>is it that you're hiding back there behind your back,

1205
01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:54.640
<v Speaker 1>because you're saying that aliens are real? And I think

1206
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that what they're hiding back there is basically the first

1207
01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:01.560
<v Speaker 1>hour of this podcast, which is they we've figured out

1208
01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:04.960
<v Speaker 1>cold fusion, We've figured out free energy, or at least

1209
01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:08.079
<v Speaker 1>a source of energy that's so unlimited that we would

1210
01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:10.680
<v Speaker 1>consider it to be free energy, and that that's a

1211
01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:15.720
<v Speaker 1>national security issue because hydrogen bombs, you know, zero point

1212
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:18.159
<v Speaker 1>energy bombs, whatever, the next we're going to call the

1213
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:22.680
<v Speaker 1>next evolution, that's a national security issue. And so my opinion,

1214
01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:25.119
<v Speaker 1>the whole UFO thing is that you've got these people

1215
01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:27.319
<v Speaker 1>out there that are grifting off of it, trying to

1216
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.399
<v Speaker 1>sell people this hope for the aliens are going to

1217
01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:32.840
<v Speaker 1>come save us and you know, fix all the problems

1218
01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:34.800
<v Speaker 1>in the world. You've got these other people that are

1219
01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 1>just lying by a mission that are like, yeah, aliens

1220
01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:40.800
<v Speaker 1>are real, but I'm not gonna say anything more beyond that.

1221
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And then you've got a few people like the Stephen

1222
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Greers of the world and people like dark journalists who say, like,

1223
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:51.479
<v Speaker 1>we've got this crazy technology out there, maybe it came

1224
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.520
<v Speaker 1>from aliens, or it did come from aliens, but that

1225
01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:58.039
<v Speaker 1>it's all about the military protecting it. So do you

1226
01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:02.000
<v Speaker 1>think that my assessment is fair? And which where do

1227
01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:02.960
<v Speaker 1>you align on this?

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01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Char I tend to agree with just about everything you

1229
01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:10.720
<v Speaker 2>have said. I mean, it probably differ on a few details,

1230
01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:15.640
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, I I met Lou Elizondo. I thought

1231
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:19.119
<v Speaker 2>he's typical of some of the people I worked with

1232
01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:24.199
<v Speaker 2>in Washington, d C. Were veteran people from agencies. They've

1233
01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:29.439
<v Speaker 2>been down in Latin America. Uh, you know, fighting communist

1234
01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:32.399
<v Speaker 2>guerrillas and stuff. These are tough guys. He struck me.

1235
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.479
<v Speaker 2>It's just one of these really tough guys who's come

1236
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:41.039
<v Speaker 2>out of the jungle given a suit. You know, you

1237
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.359
<v Speaker 2>take off of those cameos. Lou, We're going to give

1238
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:45.359
<v Speaker 2>you a business suit and you're going to go to

1239
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.439
<v Speaker 2>some conferences for us, and uh, you know, I immediately

1240
01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:53.319
<v Speaker 2>liked him because of that, and uh, but he's he's

1241
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:57.800
<v Speaker 2>basically admitted that he's still on the government payroll. And

1242
01:21:58.199 --> 01:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>he basically said, well, I can't talk about that because

1243
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been authorized to. And I thought, well, I

1244
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:11.199
<v Speaker 2>thought you were you're whistle bow, you're a whistle blower. No,

1245
01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.039
<v Speaker 2>it turns out they he's been given a whistle that

1246
01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:18.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't blow. It blows only one note, you know.

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01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:21.920
<v Speaker 1>And no disrespect to him, because I agree, like I

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<v Speaker 1>respect our veterans. Yes, if anyone, if anyone wants to

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01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:28.520
<v Speaker 1>make the choice they're going to protect national security over disclosure,

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01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:31.319
<v Speaker 1>that's fine, that's your choice. I'm not I just think

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01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:33.359
<v Speaker 1>that if you're going to try to be the spokesperson

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01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:35.399
<v Speaker 1>for this at the same time, do you think it's

1253
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:37.800
<v Speaker 1>true that the thing they're hiding behind the back is

1254
01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the science and the physics and the technology. Do you

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01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:44.800
<v Speaker 1>think that's what they're hiding or you think it's something else. I, oh,

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01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:50.000
<v Speaker 1>there's that component, but there's a lot of other stuff,

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01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:54.560
<v Speaker 1>uh like black projects, operations or what do you what

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01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:55.039
<v Speaker 1>do you think?

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01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:00.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you read uh you know, so, if you

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01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:02.800
<v Speaker 2>read the novel, or you can actually watch a video

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01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:06.760
<v Speaker 2>synopsis of it on YouTube, it's just called Morning Star

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01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:10.479
<v Speaker 2>Pass Edition three. It's like half hour. That is even

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01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:15.760
<v Speaker 2>a short one, but there's shorter version. But you'll realize

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01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:21.399
<v Speaker 2>the government has been fighting. Here's my understanding. We are

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01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>involved in a low intensity conflict with some of the

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01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:30.920
<v Speaker 2>species out there, especially the little short gray guys, and

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01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:35.680
<v Speaker 2>the government at one point entered into a secret treaty

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01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:43.199
<v Speaker 2>with them, and that's forbidden in the Constitution. Treaties are

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01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:46.039
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be ratified by the Senate. They're supposed to

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01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:51.880
<v Speaker 2>be negotiated by ambassadors that the Senate designates, and with

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01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:58.560
<v Speaker 2>the advice and consent to the Senate. And apparently, we know,

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01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:04.239
<v Speaker 2>we actually decided to short circuit that entire process and

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01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:07.079
<v Speaker 2>come up with a kind of under the table agreement

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01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:12.920
<v Speaker 2>with the grays. And if you found out the government

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01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:16.680
<v Speaker 2>allowed the grays to kidnap a bunch of people, harvest

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01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:21.159
<v Speaker 2>their sperm and eggs so they could make hybrids and

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01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:24.399
<v Speaker 2>in return for giving us technology during the Cold War,

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01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:32.159
<v Speaker 2>you'd say, gosh, when did the Senate ratify such a treaty?

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01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:37.119
<v Speaker 1>And gosh, there's an actual treaty somewhere. There's a paper

1280
01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:38.039
<v Speaker 1>trail for this, you.

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01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Think, or oh, yeah, well there was that all ended apparently.

1282
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Remember the Cold War? Remember Papa. You're too young to remember, Papa,

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01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:58.840
<v Speaker 2>doctor Vallier, who ran Haiti for us. This guy wrapped

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01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:02.920
<v Speaker 2>himself in voodoo as a way to terrorize his own population.

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01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:10.479
<v Speaker 2>Not only was he a ruthless dictator, but but he

1286
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:15.199
<v Speaker 2>he mesmerizes people by the idea that he was a

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01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:20.039
<v Speaker 2>personification of the god or death in voodoo, and so

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01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:24.359
<v Speaker 2>therefore he could make people disappear or torture them to

1289
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>death whatever he wanted. And and he he was our

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01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.159
<v Speaker 2>faithful alliant in Haiti, though, because he was a staunch

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01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:39.159
<v Speaker 2>anti communist during the Cold during the Cold War, and

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01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:44.840
<v Speaker 2>so the government has been involved in a lot of stuff.

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01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>The UFO cover up has gone on for eighty years,

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01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:54.439
<v Speaker 2>and the US government has not exactly followed constitutional norms. Uh.

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01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:56.800
<v Speaker 2>You know in their defense, you know what they would say.

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01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:01.560
<v Speaker 2>They would say, well, desperate times required death measures. You know,

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01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:04.840
<v Speaker 2>we were facing the communists on Earth, we were facing

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01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:06.399
<v Speaker 2>the grays from outer space.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you so convinced that it's grays from outer space?

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01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Because I've looked at the list of non human intelligence

1301
01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:18.159
<v Speaker 1>options and there's like fifty and only like one of these.

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01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Then I.

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01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Agree completely. The universes just like the Earth. The universe

1304
01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:31.600
<v Speaker 2>is a very complicated place. We appear to be a

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01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:37.159
<v Speaker 2>strategic location in space. I can give you more details

1306
01:26:37.239 --> 01:26:40.359
<v Speaker 2>on that, but basically, we appear to be a strategic

1307
01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:45.159
<v Speaker 2>location and we're the focus of attention for that reason

1308
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:50.720
<v Speaker 2>for a number of extra interstellar powers. There's only three

1309
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:54.680
<v Speaker 2>basic groups. There's there's three basic groups, and that's a

1310
01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>gross over simplification. But you know, there's the little short

1311
01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:06.159
<v Speaker 2>gray guys. They're terrible, it's my understanding. They're all animal

1312
01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:13.039
<v Speaker 2>mutilations and abductions and stuff. All of that is done

1313
01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>by them, and human mutilations too.

1314
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Are those the ones that are like the AI ones

1315
01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>with no souls that people talking about or is that different?

1316
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:24.520
<v Speaker 2>They act like a bunch of soldier ants.

1317
01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh, organic AI.

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01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they used to call it in Marvel comics androids,

1319
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>bless and blood. That's the little ones.

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01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>They just call them little gray guys.

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01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>They just call them little They call them the grays.

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01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:44.319
<v Speaker 2>And apparently they have copper based instead of yeah, iron

1323
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.119
<v Speaker 2>based blood, they have copper based blood, so it's blue,

1324
01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:51.119
<v Speaker 2>leading to the idea of the blue Blood's being you know,

1325
01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:56.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of godlike and uh, but the octopus uses blue blood,

1326
01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:00.399
<v Speaker 2>and so you can support a very advanced nervous system

1327
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:04.439
<v Speaker 2>with blue blood. However, copper based blood is not as

1328
01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:08.920
<v Speaker 2>efficient as iron based blood, as it turns out. That's

1329
01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>why all the major land animals on Earth in a

1330
01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:18.439
<v Speaker 2>high oxygen environment use red blood. Things like scorpions and

1331
01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>tarantulas and stuff. They use blue blood. And so the

1332
01:28:24.680 --> 01:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Grays attempt to kind of occupy this planet with hybrids

1333
01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:36.880
<v Speaker 2>failed apparently because they couldn't get hybrids that were viable

1334
01:28:37.319 --> 01:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>based on a mixture of blue and red blood. And

1335
01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>one of the places where this idea of blue blood

1336
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:48.439
<v Speaker 2>comes in or green blood comes in, is in the

1337
01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:51.479
<v Speaker 2>star Trek. By the way, Spock was supposedly had copper

1338
01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:52.199
<v Speaker 2>based blood.

1339
01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:56.399
<v Speaker 1>But can't they just go some other planet that's good

1340
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>for blue blood aliens? And also where do they come from?

1341
01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is a real nice this is a this

1342
01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>is a nice planet. You know you I have a

1343
01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>cartoon shows a gray standing there in space by the

1344
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Earth and he says, that's the nice planet you have there.

1345
01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>And you think they just really like this planet, like

1346
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like some kind.

1347
01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Of water, a lot of water, a lot of resources.

1348
01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>It's a nice, nice, big planet. And not only that

1349
01:29:25.239 --> 01:29:30.399
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have dinosaurs running around eating anything that they see.

1350
01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:34.520
<v Speaker 2>It's a very bio friendly planet for somebody like them,

1351
01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:40.239
<v Speaker 2>especially because they're short. And so we have that group.

1352
01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Then we have another group straight out of Star Trek,

1353
01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:50.800
<v Speaker 2>the equivalent to the Vulcans. They are our cousins, apparently.

1354
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:55.880
<v Speaker 2>And I had conversations in Washington, d C. With people

1355
01:29:56.479 --> 01:30:02.319
<v Speaker 2>who I knew were absolutely experien professionals in the intel business,

1356
01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:05.600
<v Speaker 2>who told me there are people down on Earth. You

1357
01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:08.640
<v Speaker 2>could walk by them on the street, you would never

1358
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:12.760
<v Speaker 2>notice them. And they're not from this planet. They are

1359
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:16.279
<v Speaker 2>basic and you can't tell them genetically from human beings.

1360
01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>In fact, we're part them, and they call them. Some

1361
01:30:23.359 --> 01:30:26.600
<v Speaker 2>people call them Nordic's. I call them just the Plyatheians.

1362
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:32.520
<v Speaker 2>And you notice in Star Trek, and they even commented

1363
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:36.439
<v Speaker 2>on this that a lot of the beings they encountered

1364
01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:42.159
<v Speaker 2>in the outer space were basically very very human, like

1365
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:48.439
<v Speaker 2>the Vulcans being the primary example. Spock's mother was human

1366
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:55.359
<v Speaker 2>and his father was Vulcan. They got together, got married

1367
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:59.479
<v Speaker 2>and produced a healthy kid. And so so that's that's

1368
01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:03.399
<v Speaker 2>another group. And they're apparently are friends. They're helping us.

1369
01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>That one't surprises me but also does at the same time,

1370
01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:09.119
<v Speaker 1>like I would expect that aliens would be so different

1371
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>from us, But at the same time, the one that

1372
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>would streak me out the most is if they looked

1373
01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>just like us where they were. And I think that

1374
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>that's believable because I look around at people and I

1375
01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:23.119
<v Speaker 1>wonder if they're an alien. Sometimes I look at them

1376
01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:25.439
<v Speaker 1>and I go, if that person was an alien, I

1377
01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:28.319
<v Speaker 1>would not be able to tell like you know they

1378
01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:31.039
<v Speaker 1>You can't you can't so much variety.

1379
01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:35.199
<v Speaker 2>According to what I was told, you can't tell them

1380
01:31:35.239 --> 01:31:41.520
<v Speaker 2>apart from human beings by blood type or genetics and

1381
01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:45.199
<v Speaker 2>and uh. They said this was a concern because they

1382
01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:48.800
<v Speaker 2>thought they were getting security clearances and becoming involved with

1383
01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:55.399
<v Speaker 2>the government and they wanted They actually asked me because

1384
01:31:55.399 --> 01:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>of my Mars. Because I was of my Mars work,

1385
01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:02.119
<v Speaker 2>I was considered kind of an expert on ets, and

1386
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:05.560
<v Speaker 2>they said, do you have any uh And by the way.

1387
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:10.520
<v Speaker 1>The Martian et expert John Brandenburg.

1388
01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:16.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, the the the Martian or the what I call

1389
01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:21.800
<v Speaker 2>the Sidonian civilization up on Mars, they look just like us. Well,

1390
01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:26.960
<v Speaker 2>they didn't look like lizards. But the thing is Okay,

1391
01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:31.439
<v Speaker 2>so so there's people like us who are apparently our cousins.

1392
01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Somebody said, oh, they look like us, and I said, no,

1393
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:39.319
<v Speaker 2>they look like them because because of shortly back in

1394
01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the back in the day, and there's always uh Greek

1395
01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:44.600
<v Speaker 2>legends like that.

1396
01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Now real quick, uh, I want to know if there's

1397
01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:51.399
<v Speaker 1>any other theories, because you're competing with some pretty pretty

1398
01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>out there ones. I like the weird ones. Uh. Jason

1399
01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Georgohnny thinks that humans from the future went back to

1400
01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the past and made Atlantic and that we've got kind

1401
01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:06.159
<v Speaker 1>of thing. Okay, okay, the other one.

1402
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>And then and did he did he talk about when

1403
01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:10.119
<v Speaker 2>they crash and the desert and the coyotes eat their bodies.

1404
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know.

1405
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:17.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm this is all some kind of somebody was saying this,

1406
01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:21.079
<v Speaker 2>these are holographic simulations or these are humans from the future,

1407
01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and I said, yeah, with copper based blood there from

1408
01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:24.560
<v Speaker 2>the future.

1409
01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:28.479
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what about maybe they made those aliens. I don't know,

1410
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you said they're organic aid guy, what if a hive

1411
01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:37.039
<v Speaker 1>mind has taken over and the hive mind can literally

1412
01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:41.239
<v Speaker 1>just like three D print the UFOs straight out of the.

1413
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's a certain amount of that. They say

1414
01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:50.520
<v Speaker 2>that the real pros among the ets three D print

1415
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:54.079
<v Speaker 2>or UFOs here at Earth for using Earth materials, so

1416
01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the isotopes all match. So if you get pieces of

1417
01:33:57.920 --> 01:34:01.079
<v Speaker 2>crash ufo, you'll just say, well, this aluminum just looks

1418
01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:05.439
<v Speaker 2>like regular aluminum from an aircraft. Isotopically you can tell

1419
01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:09.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff where if stuff is from off world, like meteorites,

1420
01:34:10.319 --> 01:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>because it has different isotopes, then stuff.

1421
01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll ask you about that. But before we do that,

1422
01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and into that the Mars stuff that we can finish

1423
01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:22.079
<v Speaker 1>with that, I mean, I have a simpler answer. It's us,

1424
01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>like we've figured this out, like the why why we

1425
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>dismissed that? I'm literally talking to you John Brandenberg right now.

1426
01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>You knew Winnterberg. You know all these scientists you're you're

1427
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>looking at stuff. Why is the answer not just like hey,

1428
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:37.119
<v Speaker 1>you're just spitting this tale about aliens because you know

1429
01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>we've figured this out and you've worked on these secret

1430
01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:43.039
<v Speaker 1>projects and like you can't talk about it, Like why why.

1431
01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that There's there's very little that I worked on

1432
01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:48.479
<v Speaker 2>that I can't talk about it.

1433
01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know people, but by the way, I was never.

1434
01:34:52.279 --> 01:34:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Read into the UFO programs, so I can you know,

1435
01:34:56.359 --> 01:35:01.039
<v Speaker 2>I actually I'm not violating into security. Was talking about it,

1436
01:35:02.119 --> 01:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I said, they said, go ahead and

1437
01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:07.920
<v Speaker 2>write about what we want in this novel as long

1438
01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:11.199
<v Speaker 2>as it's labeled science fiction. John And so they you know,

1439
01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:18.159
<v Speaker 2>they gave me that. I tend to. I know that

1440
01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>we can travel to other planets. We went to the

1441
01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Moon six times. I believe that, and we may have

1442
01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:30.760
<v Speaker 2>gone farther with alien technology. Who knows, you know, the

1443
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>idea of somebody else could Why.

1444
01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Didn't lose the technology to go to the moon though, right,

1445
01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:37.640
<v Speaker 1>you don't think that, right, you know.

1446
01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>We may have been told not to go back to

1447
01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:44.199
<v Speaker 2>the moon, but there were also there were geopolitical reasons.

1448
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:48.159
<v Speaker 2>We have a space treaty called the Outer Space. We

1449
01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:51.720
<v Speaker 2>actually have a treaty outer space treaty called the Outer

1450
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:56.479
<v Speaker 2>Space Treaty of nineteen sixty seven, which was ratified by Congress,

1451
01:35:56.880 --> 01:36:00.399
<v Speaker 2>signed by the Russians, signed by the Chinese, and by

1452
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:06.840
<v Speaker 2>every European UH country. And it's UH. It's it's basically

1453
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:09.960
<v Speaker 2>says you can't claim like the Moon or Mars as

1454
01:36:10.079 --> 01:36:14.399
<v Speaker 2>national territory. It also says you can't put nuclear weapons

1455
01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>in space and uh so it's a uh well.

1456
01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:23.119
<v Speaker 1>So the question though, is like, do you really think

1457
01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that we don't have I mean the military, US military, China.

1458
01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Do you think we've got anti gravity technology? Yes? I do, yes, yes, yeah.

1459
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:34.560
<v Speaker 2>So by the way, when I would do.

1460
01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>With us, why does it have to be aliens when

1461
01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:38.720
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing stuff flying around or do you think that

1462
01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:39.479
<v Speaker 1>there's a mixture?

1463
01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the because of the accounts of if it was

1464
01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:49.399
<v Speaker 2>just US, I think it would have been classified a

1465
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:55.199
<v Speaker 2>long time ago. But because of the alien aspect that

1466
01:36:56.399 --> 01:37:02.159
<v Speaker 2>people are general people in the government. Once the toothpaste

1467
01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:04.439
<v Speaker 2>is out of the tube, you cannot put it back in.

1468
01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:07.800
<v Speaker 2>If if it comes out that the government knows we're

1469
01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:12.159
<v Speaker 2>being visited by people from outer space who are more

1470
01:37:12.159 --> 01:37:16.439
<v Speaker 2>advanced than us, it kind of quells into question who

1471
01:37:16.600 --> 01:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>is the chief rooster in this root in this henhouse?

1472
01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:22.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, is it the US government or is it

1473
01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:26.840
<v Speaker 2>somebody from outer space? You know, they people start asking,

1474
01:37:27.239 --> 01:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, we thought we were at the top of

1475
01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the food chain. Apparently no, there's other links in the

1476
01:37:33.159 --> 01:37:36.720
<v Speaker 2>food chain. You know, there's there's powers above the powers

1477
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:42.960
<v Speaker 2>on Earth, and no power on Earth likes to be demoted.

1478
01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, most of us are at the bottom, and we

1479
01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:48.479
<v Speaker 1>don't care who our ruler is if it's somebody else

1480
01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>on another planet. Now I get it. He might be

1481
01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>saying that, you know, our government might be ready to

1482
01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:56.159
<v Speaker 1>battle with the space aliens. You know, that would actually

1483
01:37:56.159 --> 01:37:59.439
<v Speaker 1>track with what Salvatar Pais has been saying about human technology.

1484
01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:05.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, well, the we apparently are involved in a

1485
01:38:05.399 --> 01:38:08.960
<v Speaker 3>low level conflict with the Grays, and we've been there

1486
01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:13.399
<v Speaker 3>for a long time, and we finally we tried to

1487
01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:18.000
<v Speaker 3>we tried to make nice with him with a treaty,

1488
01:38:18.279 --> 01:38:20.560
<v Speaker 3>and then we found out that were violating the treaty.

1489
01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:25.319
<v Speaker 2>And then this culminated in this supposed military clash in

1490
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>a place called Dulce, New Mexico. And based on what

1491
01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I heard in Washington, d C. That really did happen.

1492
01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I heard several accounts, and basically the only difference between

1493
01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:44.479
<v Speaker 2>the accounts was the body count. Some people said, oh,

1494
01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>sixty humans got killed. Other people said, oh no, it's

1495
01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:50.079
<v Speaker 2>more like one hundred. And the other people said, oh no,

1496
01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:56.720
<v Speaker 2>we only lost five. The aliens lost lost sixty. On

1497
01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:59.720
<v Speaker 2>and on it went, and you basically just kind of

1498
01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:06.319
<v Speaker 2>take the basic story and apparently. By the way, this

1499
01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:12.520
<v Speaker 2>tracks with Hollywood. Apparently during the Secret Treaty regime, which

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01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:17.760
<v Speaker 2>lasted apparently from nineteen sixty eight into about nineteen seventy

1501
01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:24.760
<v Speaker 2>nine seventy eight, Close they Hollywood celebrated this by Close

1502
01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Encounters of the Third Kind, which is a love fest

1503
01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>between ends with a love fest between the humans and

1504
01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the little gray aliens. Okay, then you fast Okay, that

1505
01:39:36.920 --> 01:39:40.680
<v Speaker 2>comes out in nineteen seventy seven. Then there's the Clash

1506
01:39:40.720 --> 01:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>at Dulce where everything goes to pieces. It was under

1507
01:39:44.039 --> 01:39:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Carter. And what's the next big movie about aliens

1508
01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:54.680
<v Speaker 2>to come out. It's the movie Alien, which is about

1509
01:39:54.800 --> 01:40:00.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're back to bloodsucking aliens, utter betrayal by

1510
01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:06.319
<v Speaker 2>the authorities of humans, you know, And that's that's If

1511
01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:09.479
<v Speaker 2>you watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind it's from

1512
01:40:09.479 --> 01:40:14.279
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, and then Alien from seventy nine, you get

1513
01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:16.199
<v Speaker 2>some idea of what happened.

1514
01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, I look at it and I just go, you know,

1515
01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:23.279
<v Speaker 1>if these aliens exist, they really are shy and camera shy.

1516
01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:27.199
<v Speaker 1>At least nobody's finding it making any video shoot them, well,

1517
01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:30.720
<v Speaker 1>not taking videos. I'm not seeing any of them online.

1518
01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:33.600
<v Speaker 1>But you know, if they look like us, that solves

1519
01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:37.159
<v Speaker 1>that problem. Now, let me yes drop the last topic here,

1520
01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>which is the Mars topic, because so I'm just going

1521
01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>to summarize my understanding of your book about Mars that

1522
01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:50.479
<v Speaker 1>because there's certain isotopes that are found within the atmosphere,

1523
01:40:50.520 --> 01:40:53.720
<v Speaker 1>I believe this shows that there was very likely, if

1524
01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:57.680
<v Speaker 1>not certainly, nuclear explosions that happened on Mars. Could explain

1525
01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>why there's no magnetic field, maybe, but really, so real quick,

1526
01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the story is that there was a civilization on Mars

1527
01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:11.199
<v Speaker 1>in the past. They potentially destroyed themselves with nuclear weaponry,

1528
01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:16.199
<v Speaker 1>and perhaps they came transported and came over to Earth

1529
01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:18.079
<v Speaker 1>and now we are them or something like that. Is

1530
01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:19.760
<v Speaker 1>that go ahead and fill the gap.

1531
01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I you're I agree with the basic idea that there

1532
01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>was a dead there's a dead civilization on Mars, and

1533
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:32.600
<v Speaker 2>it dates from a time when Mars had an earth

1534
01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like climate. I'm the discover of the Mars Ocean. By

1535
01:41:36.039 --> 01:41:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the way, one of the reasons I uh hold academia

1536
01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:46.199
<v Speaker 2>in this country in a little bit of disregard is uh,

1537
01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:48.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, they won't give me credit for discovering the

1538
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Bars Ocean, even though I if you if a look

1539
01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>on in Wikipedia of Mars Ocean theory, I'm reference number one.

1540
01:41:57.399 --> 01:41:59.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, I was the first person to propose it,

1541
01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:03.800
<v Speaker 2>but they never give me any credit. And because of

1542
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:08.479
<v Speaker 2>my other work on Mars. Now it looks though as

1543
01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:14.319
<v Speaker 2>though there was a primitive humanoid civilization on Mars predating

1544
01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the dinosaurs, which shows that the basic human form predates

1545
01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:28.840
<v Speaker 2>humans on Earth. Humans are a superterrestrial phenomenon. But you've

1546
01:42:28.840 --> 01:42:32.960
<v Speaker 2>got to realize we're very practical. Look how many places

1547
01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:37.439
<v Speaker 2>on Earth humans live. We're a very practical, rugged bunch.

1548
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:44.760
<v Speaker 2>But is it? It appears? And by the way, I've

1549
01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:49.079
<v Speaker 2>shown the evidence I have for the Thermer Nucletar holocaust

1550
01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:53.560
<v Speaker 2>on Mars to nuclear experts, several of them, and they

1551
01:42:53.560 --> 01:42:56.720
<v Speaker 2>agree with me, but they can't be quoted on the record.

1552
01:42:57.560 --> 01:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>So are you saying that they wipe themselves out and

1553
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:03.279
<v Speaker 1>they're gone, or are you saying that no remnants made

1554
01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:04.880
<v Speaker 1>it to Earth or do you just not know or

1555
01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:05.319
<v Speaker 1>not care?

1556
01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:12.479
<v Speaker 2>What's your Oh? It based on the evidence that I have,

1557
01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to analyze this is just a scientific problem.

1558
01:43:20.279 --> 01:43:24.680
<v Speaker 2>They look like us because human beings are a super

1559
01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:28.479
<v Speaker 2>terrestrial kind of phenomenon in the stars, just like in

1560
01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Star Trek. But these people were fairly primitive. They did

1561
01:43:33.479 --> 01:43:39.840
<v Speaker 2>not have nuclear weapons themselves, they did not have space travel. Basically,

1562
01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:44.880
<v Speaker 2>what we find is what looks like a fairly Bronze

1563
01:43:44.920 --> 01:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Age or Stone Age, and we're talking old Kingdom Egypt

1564
01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:51.640
<v Speaker 2>or the Mayans or the Toll texts from Mexico, Old

1565
01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Mexico kind of civilization. And then it looks as though

1566
01:43:57.520 --> 01:44:03.039
<v Speaker 2>someone else came along and dropped two hydrogen bombs as

1567
01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:09.199
<v Speaker 2>big as the Empire state building on Mars, utterly destroying

1568
01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:13.600
<v Speaker 2>the civilization there, and not only that, but destroying the

1569
01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:16.720
<v Speaker 2>entire biosphere of Mars so it could never recover.

1570
01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Now are taking the inference that they only had a

1571
01:44:22.439 --> 01:44:25.279
<v Speaker 1>certain level of technology and that somebody else did that.

1572
01:44:25.319 --> 01:44:26.479
<v Speaker 1>What's the evidence, Well.

1573
01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:33.560
<v Speaker 2>There's no there's no evidence of any highways, the there's

1574
01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:37.880
<v Speaker 2>things that look like fortifications, but they're built on high ground.

1575
01:44:38.560 --> 01:44:45.239
<v Speaker 2>It all looks there's no indications like airports.

1576
01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Or you're talking about the topology of the planet of

1577
01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Mars itself. You're not right.

1578
01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>It does not look like this was an advanced civilization,

1579
01:44:53.720 --> 01:44:57.800
<v Speaker 2>which makes it even more sad that apparently somebody who

1580
01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:05.520
<v Speaker 2>was very advanced came along destroyed them. And this means

1581
01:45:05.560 --> 01:45:10.159
<v Speaker 2>that it was somebody who's been somebody like the Pladeons,

1582
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.640
<v Speaker 2>who are basically human, they would have probably just conquered it,

1583
01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:20.439
<v Speaker 2>but instead this is somebody who was very non human. Supposedly,

1584
01:45:20.520 --> 01:45:26.159
<v Speaker 2>these reptilian aliens that you know, there's very hardly any

1585
01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:33.279
<v Speaker 2>stories about them, but apparently they do exist. But the

1586
01:45:33.399 --> 01:45:38.760
<v Speaker 2>either the Grays or the reptilian aliens, somebody who did

1587
01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>not like human beings at all decided to make an

1588
01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:47.840
<v Speaker 2>example out of Mars. Genghis Khan would make if a

1589
01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:50.800
<v Speaker 2>city resisted him, he would kill everybody in the city

1590
01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:55.640
<v Speaker 2>and make pyramids of heads, just as to terrorize everybody,

1591
01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:59.039
<v Speaker 2>so that the next city he approached, he'd knock on

1592
01:45:59.119 --> 01:46:01.640
<v Speaker 2>the gates and say to open your gates, give us

1593
01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:05.359
<v Speaker 2>all your stuff, otherwise you'll end up like the last city,

1594
01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:08.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, as a pyramid of heads will kill everybody.

1595
01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:12.600
<v Speaker 2>And so this is a weapon orization.

1596
01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't you just take out the whole planet if you

1597
01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:17.159
<v Speaker 1>have that kind of advanced level of technology, why are

1598
01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>you dropping nukes? Like again, it just feels like we're

1599
01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>taking our level understanding, we're pretending like it's the highest

1600
01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:27.159
<v Speaker 1>level of technology that's out there. If your civilization coming

1601
01:46:27.159 --> 01:46:29.840
<v Speaker 1>by doing a drive by bombing, I feel like you

1602
01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>should easily be able to wipe Mars out, Like Mars

1603
01:46:32.920 --> 01:46:35.680
<v Speaker 1>isn't there anymore, We would never have any trees.

1604
01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Ash did. Why turn it into a black hole? Why

1605
01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:45.439
<v Speaker 2>turn Mars into a black hole when all you need

1606
01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:49.720
<v Speaker 2>to do is just destroy everything on the surface. You know,

1607
01:46:49.840 --> 01:46:53.239
<v Speaker 2>it's like, uh, you know what you're what you're talking

1608
01:46:53.239 --> 01:46:56.479
<v Speaker 2>about is somebody taking the planet Mars and turning it

1609
01:46:56.520 --> 01:47:00.880
<v Speaker 2>into a black hole. You know that that's there's a

1610
01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:04.319
<v Speaker 2>there's a there's like a zero point energy weapon would

1611
01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:08.520
<v Speaker 2>do something like that. And uh no, no they didn't

1612
01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:12.920
<v Speaker 2>bother with that. They just hydrogen bombs are easy to build.

1613
01:47:14.039 --> 01:47:16.640
<v Speaker 2>The Russians basically showed by the way you could build

1614
01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:21.840
<v Speaker 2>hydrogen bombs as uh big as the aircraft carrier Enterprise.

1615
01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:25.479
<v Speaker 1>And let me ask you this because this is how

1616
01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:27.479
<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to This is my final question

1617
01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>for you. Okay, do you think we are going to

1618
01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:34.640
<v Speaker 1>annihilate ourselves? Do you think we're gonna get past the

1619
01:47:34.680 --> 01:47:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Fermi paradox and the great filter?

1620
01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yes?

1621
01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>And why do you believe that.

1622
01:47:44.119 --> 01:47:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, we're talking fundamentally about things we can't know.

1623
01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>We we can't know what's really going to happen in

1624
01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:59.600
<v Speaker 2>the future. But I'm religious. I'm just an episcopalian, you know. Uh.

1625
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:06.079
<v Speaker 2>And and you know, Bible prophecy basically says the human

1626
01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:10.840
<v Speaker 2>race is around in the future getting in the same

1627
01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of trouble it gets in now, you know. And

1628
01:48:18.520 --> 01:48:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and by the way, you know, Ai is in the Bible.

1629
01:48:23.239 --> 01:48:26.239
<v Speaker 2>There's a city called Ai in the Book of Joshua.

1630
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:30.439
<v Speaker 2>You should read about it. It's actually spelled Ai. And

1631
01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:39.239
<v Speaker 2>so I'm not worried about Ai destroying us, though I

1632
01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>think we should be very careful about that. So I

1633
01:48:42.920 --> 01:48:45.199
<v Speaker 2>think the human race is going to do fine. I

1634
01:48:45.239 --> 01:48:49.119
<v Speaker 2>think the vision for the human future is star Trek.

1635
01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:52.039
<v Speaker 2>That's the way we're going to be.

1636
01:48:53.079 --> 01:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I appreciate that I'm not as optimistic as you are.

1637
01:48:56.680 --> 01:48:59.359
<v Speaker 1>I think I look around and I see the destructive

1638
01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:02.119
<v Speaker 1>capability that we are able of unleashing, and I think

1639
01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>that inevitably, it's just a matter of time until somebody

1640
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:10.840
<v Speaker 1>presses the wrong button, everything's gone, just like But I

1641
01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:13.520
<v Speaker 1>prefer that let's talk to people that are more optimistic

1642
01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:14.000
<v Speaker 1>than I have.

1643
01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:19.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm quite optimistic. I think with God's help, we'll get

1644
01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:20.000
<v Speaker 2>through this.

1645
01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:23.640
<v Speaker 1>So go ahead and shout out whatever else you want

1646
01:49:23.720 --> 01:49:26.079
<v Speaker 1>or where people can find you. I appreciate you talking

1647
01:49:26.079 --> 01:49:30.319
<v Speaker 1>to me today. Doctor Brandenburg. Has been a great conversation, Ashton.

1648
01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:32.600
<v Speaker 1>It's been a pleasure and honor to be on your show.

1649
01:49:33.319 --> 01:49:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I wrote a book called Cosmic Awakening. It's available on

1650
01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Amazon dot com. I also wrote the science fiction novel

1651
01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:45.840
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and three called Morning Star Pass to

1652
01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Collapse of the UFO cover Up, and we're going to

1653
01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:52.720
<v Speaker 1>turn it into a movie. Two beautiful women who are

1654
01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>news anchors bring down the UFO cover up.

1655
01:49:54.920 --> 01:49:55.399
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

1656
01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.880
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a bestseller already blockbuster, so I hope

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<v Speaker 1>it does well. Let me know and I'll check it

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<v Speaker 1>out promoter for you, uh, Doctor Brandonburg. Thank you very much. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>This was another episode of Hard Trew's podcast. Make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you hit the like, hit the subscribe, follow Doctor Brandenburg

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk again soon.