Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentleman, Welcome back to the Fallout season
two review series. This is your finale. I am the
fall Taker trust now and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: Hey, my name is deil Mus.
Speaker 3: I am the Cold Fusion. Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, taylor Field is here with us. Not another country,
I guess, but another place in Canada, not Homestead. So
we'll see how that goes. But yeah, this is we've
reached the end of it. It's just like also, it's
all the things in life, the buildup of like, oh,
it's been a couple of years in season one, and
then we get the trailers, we have the release schedule
and that's like, boom, it's done. I think again, it's
because oh no, Amazon, they only did the one episode
this time, right, Oh Amazon, I'm always used to them
dropping the three, but they they dropped one.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you may be right. Maybe it was.
Speaker 4: No, we missed because we missed the first like three weeks.
Maybe that's oh.
Speaker 1: That's right, yes, because of Christmas. You know, you're completely right.
Speaker 2: No, did we do the first episode and then we
took a three week I forget what we did.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. In the first episode. That's why
it feels a little old, so that makes complete sense.
But yeah, so we're here, we're gonna talk about it
as usual as we do. Now we'll be in full
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Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Karen, Karen.
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first time seeing it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched that show. I got to hear their take.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it is up there in honor of prepping
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from different cowards.
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so that was yes.
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Speaker 2: Myself, mister Bethesda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, mister Bethesda. What did you think
of just this finale? I'm gonna ask you what the
overall season kind of maybe more near the back half,
but what do you think of just this finale alone
as an ending?
Speaker 2: Are you one and more?
Speaker 1: Are you satisfied or you left a little to be desired?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's kind of hard to talk about
this without talking about the rest of this season, but
I will try and answer your question as you asked
it to me. I I'm feeling iffy on this season
finale here. I think there are some really good moments
in here. I feel like this episode had like the
best acting of those seasons in far. You know, we
have a lot of great actors in here, but I
feel like just the content of the scenes that you get,
which makes sense for a finale of a movie, TV, anything, right,
that's when you get like some big moments. And I
feel like most of our main characters, pretty much all
of our main protagonists, I would say, kind of got
a nice moment or two, and I thought they all
did a really good job with that.
Speaker 2: So that was nice to see. I liked that.
Speaker 4: But I think overall, when it comes to like where
the season has led us to and where it's got us,
I just feel like, you know, the journey wasn't substantial
enough for me.
Speaker 2: To be satisfied with the destination.
Speaker 4: You know, those two things are quantumly entangled, of course,
and I just feel like the season wasn't really doing
it for me.
Speaker 2: And this very much.
Speaker 4: Feels like the middle this. Yeah, I love Lord of
the Rings two Towers. It's my favorite Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 4: I got to revisit that rank and I change it
every day, but you know, it's completed by its third movie,
and I feel like this season very much felt like
a bridge season, and so I don't feel like I
got a whole lot of things tied up. Yeah, we
tied up a couple little things, but I just feel
like it opened more doors than it closed, and it's
just I'm just not feeling super satisfied with what.
Speaker 2: I got here.
Speaker 4: Overall, There's some decent moments in this episode though, so
I still had some good stuff to enjoy with it. It
was a fun hour of TV, But overall, I think
this episode and this season in general definitely a step
down from season one for me.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Where are you from season three?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Are you still locked in? Is it something we're need
a trailer? You know, let play out first, like where
are you now? After kind of a rocky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean without without spoiling a post credit thing.
It's like, yeah, they got me. Like I'm I'm infrigued,
I'm curious, I'm still I want to Like, I'm invested
in some of these stories enough that I want to
see where they're going in the fact that they didn't
tie them up here means that I got to come
back for more so and I love Fallowout, you know,
it is one of my favorite series that's up there
for sure. So so yeah, I'll definitely be back for
season three. I will be excited for it. This wasn't
a huge step down for me from season one, but
it was. It was a step down, but not not
into the tanking territory, like I would not fail this
by any means. I still had a good time with
it overall.
Speaker 1: Taylor, the same question, what do you think it was finale?
And then what do you think of the season all overall?
And your hype or lack thereof for the future follow.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I definitely not hype for the future.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good, but it's a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I feel like the carrot just
kind of was just bangled a little bit ahead of you. Again,
for a finale, I would have liked things to have
been maybe just wrapped up a bit more in its
own story and not not so reliant on Hey, you
have to watch season three now to see what's happening,
because we've got big things in Vegas and then we
got big things happening in another state. And it's like,
you know, like I get that, like that's your hook, right,
But I don't think that it's I don't think it's
fair to just end it like like, let's look at Dexter.
You watch that first season. It doesn't end on a
cliffhanger where, oh, we guess what, you know, all these
soldiers are coming to Miami, you know.
Speaker 1: Something like that, it's to take them on, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well this is just a an A to
B story and you get what you get, and it's
great and it's its own self contained narrative and I
love that, and I think that's what really holds this back,
because I just feel like, Okay, it's this narrative that's
extended across a bunch of episodes for season two, which
I'm engaged with it. I like getting all this flush
out storytelling with these characters and whatnot. That's great and
I'm enjoying it all the acting and everything like that.
But some things were done way too quickly. Some things
were rushed, and you get one off things in an
episode that seem to come back in this episode as
being really really big and significant, and I just I
don't know, I'm not necessarily there for it. But that
being said, like I enjoyed it, and I really did
have a good time with season two because of just
how things just the stakes are up a bit more
and we've kind of broken off a bit more from
what the first season was, and too, I like getting
to explore more of the world building in here than
what we've seen in the first season. I'm not necessarily
attached too much to the specifics of what's going on
in the vaults, and I feel like season three is
going to kind of maybe if.
Speaker 1: You are, let us know that, because I haven't met
anybody that is, you know, like I feel like everybody
just like, ah, this fault stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, Like I don't even know if the show
was this season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got very little, but of what we did get,
it's like a do we need this?
Speaker 3: I don't know, so, but I'm looking forward to season three.
I really am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think I'm a mixture of you guys.
I think for me, like it is a big step
down from season one. But I had season one at
like almost like a nine to nine point five, right,
so I think if I'm losing two to two point five,
which might be a spoiler on my foul rating, that's
like a big drop for me. Obviously, I still enjoyed it.
I think the season did get better overall as it continued.
I think it started a little rough and started, honestly
quite slow, and then we picked up a little bit.
We met some interesting characters. I think there was some
good episodes along the way, but then even stuff with
this finale. I think there's one which we'll talk about
them all. I think you're find a dangle that care
for some things. But there's one that I was like,
all right, like it's almost like next year, this better conclude.
Now you know it's some where it's like if it
doesn't conclude next year, that would be maybe me tapping
on unless the rest of the show is good, or
even just stuff that I talked about. Obviously, I've been
on a few episodes, have been missing a few, so
I think when that big deaf claw fight happened, I
was not on it, and it didn't happen. It was
just like very quickly dispatched. And even this finale they
did what I wanted, like, hey, if you got deaf claw,
this should get a lot of time. They gave it
a lot of time, but man, was not thrilling at all.
It was just like the most just kind of off
the side, like one the deaf claw didn't look great
in the daytime.
Speaker 2: It looked getting one tapped in this show. I didn't
have a lot of HB do in.
Speaker 1: The game, and it wasn't like to me, like when
you see them in the game, there is a sense
of fear, right, and it's just a lot of wide
shots of Maximus like fighting. It like nothing like I
feel like there's no choreography, no nothing. I don't know
if that's the limitations of the show or the budget.
Just feels like this should be a like a Revenant
Bear moment, the Deaf clab. It should be something that's
like you remember and now Deaf Clau' is just kind
of there right. So I think that's the thing that
even though I think the finale was really strong in
some aspects, I agreed Dylan on the acting. I really
am intrigued and love what happened with Lucy and her dad.
That brings up tons of questions for multiple characters of like, okay,
did this really happen? Is this a lie? So? I
I did enjoy this season, but I think if this
finale didn't leave some of those questions. I think the
questions for the most but that I left unanswered, I
am actually very intrigued with them. But I think if so,
that's a good job with the finale, it did leave
me wanting more, but I do really want next year
or whenever it comes up to kind of step up
along the way. It shouldn't be that the finale kind
of throws a Hail Mary to me. I do like
these characters, and they have introduced some concepts that I
want to see expanded upon. But at the same time,
I kind of thought that with this and like this'
where I'm gonna throw to Dylan, I for I've never
played the game. For a game, I knew Vegas, so
I've heard for years about it. I know you and
other people are very excited. I feel like this didn't
get the guest of it. Like when we are I'm
not used to because we do boys now. The opening,
it's like, Oh, we're going to Colorado next. It's like
really like I was almost like, Oh, I think maybe
we'll spend another season in Vegas because there's probably still
more to do there. They're sitting up other characters uprising,
so it's like, maybe we will stick here for a bit.
But it feels like for this thing that was people
were very excited by the poster and the signs of it,
that it it didn't really have the luster that I
that I've heard about from the game, which is kind
of disappointing because I think it'd be uh maybe a
minute till we go back there for a full moment.
But what do you think about that, don As you're
a big fan of that series.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean specifically with New Vegas. Like what makes
it such a great game is that you have, for me,
the three really interesting factions. I'm not a big Brotherhood guy,
so I kind of put that to the side, But
you know, NCR Kaiser's Legion and like mister House and
Crew and that that sort of stuff, and like that
push and pull between those characters, those factions and what
they're what's going on there, and all the choices you
have in the game of siding with them going against them.
To me, that's all like the interesting stuff. But like
mister House, I thought based off episode one that he
was gonna be a big character in this season, and
then it's like, you know, fifteen minutes of screen time,
like even just in a lot of that's not even
with the character on screen, just like a voice or
the face on the screen.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's a well known actor too, so I
kind of thought oh, justin Throw is gonna be in
this for a bit. They went for somebody that's a name, right.
Speaker 4: And that's one that like, you know, I'm sure he
would be in the next season. It's not like they
killed him off or anything here, but it does feel like, Uh,
I don't know if we really have a whole lot
of I don't know if there's a story that I'm
super invested. I can't wait to see what they do
with mister House in season three based on what they
left with here and how we're just dropping the pit
boy and then heading off there.
Speaker 2: Uh. And then like.
Speaker 4: Kaiser's lesion was also such a weird one where it
just kind of just feels like it was a set
up for season three and like what we got kind
of fun episode, but then we didn't go back there.
Then we we finally did come back here a little
bit and got like one scene of McCaulay cull can
chewing some scenery. But that's like, all right, that's kind
of it. In an NCR, we're also like completely absence.
So I feel like, to me, the identity, so much
of the identity of New Vegas is with those factions and
with New Vegas specifically the strip and like the what
it's like there, and the strip was very different, and
all these factions were just not really a big part
of the season. So it feels like, what did we
really have then? And I think the answer is that
it was just stretched too thin, Like we spent too
much time with the Vault stuff, even though nothing particularly
interesting happened. Uh, you know, we thought a lot of
brother stuff early on, Brother heard of Seal stuff, and
then like also the end of the seasons, like season
We're gonna get more of that, and it's like, I,
I don't know, I just feel like I think this
show was spread itself too thin. Unfortunately. I think that's
kind of the biggest thing against the season for me
in general.
Speaker 1: Like butter scraped over too much bread, you know, and that.
Speaker 2: Literally couldn't have said about it myself.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. There's some storylines that close off,
but they kind of continue on, like we'll get into it.
But there's that moment where all those people in the
Vault are banging on I can't remember her name, the
girl the eye patch that Big revealed last week and
this Steph and I for a second thought she was
gonna pull it a big gun and like take them
all out, and you shouldn't want this for me as
a viewer, but I was actively rooting for that because like, oh,
that means the storyline will be over. That didn't happen,
seems like there's more two that, so it's like, okay,
we got that. And same thing with Lucy's brother. It's like, oh,
oh maybe something then.
Speaker 2: We'll die heck was a point of any of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's where it's like I would I would
take out or really reduce or yeah, man, you just
take that out and say like, hey, we'll pick up
with Lucy's brother in season three, like leave that there's
a big secret maybe in the finale.
Speaker 3: Sing the same narrative right like between step and him,
like it's the results or like the final plan for
what the vault is.
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, I guess maybe just come back to
it or just I don't need them both. I don't
think they uh strengthen each other. I guess right. I
don't feel like at the end when that stuff happens,
it's harmonized. It's just like okay, it's two things were happening,
And that's where it's funny. We've talked about this before,
where in the video game it is like I gotta
find my dad, my son, my sister, whoever. But you
go do all these side quests and it doesn't really
work narratively in your mind, right, because if your son's
out there, why are you helping someone find a bottle
cap or their lost hat or something. And that's where
I think you see now the show is the opposite
of that, right, where it's like you want to see
these fun factions and the fun area like New Vegas,
but it's like, no, where this is a main objective story, right,
And that's where it's I think I maybe that's too. Like,
I know, we did have a couple episodes that were
just in the world. I guess those just weren't the
strongest either. I guess they also and I've never played
New Vegas, but they just to me didn't differentiate enough
between last season. I feel like we've got a bit
more buildings and some factions, but it's still just felt
like apocalyptic type of world, right, So I hope with
Colorado then kind of do that. But like they just
show a picture and it's just mountains, right, So it's.
Speaker 4: Like, Okay, and I guess we're yeah, obviously pulling like
the spoiler territory at this point, but then also yeah,
the the like the post credit.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's too soon to jump to that.
Speaker 4: You guys want to come back, let's now, let's do now, yeah,
because that's that's teasing, like the end of Fallout three,
which is like in Washington, d C. So I oh,
or like a storyline there, you could transplan that and
put it in another location. I suppose, uh, unless I
could be missing something too, but I don't know, Like
that seems like, okay, well, we already have enough storylines
and now we're potentially opening too. Like I don't, I don't.
I don't really know what's going on in Colorado. I
don't know what that is supposed to be exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, that's where his family is, I imagine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, but I sorry, I guess in terms
of like the game, Oh okay, like I don't know what,
I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I guess that they've never gone there before.
Speaker 4: Not that I can think of. So maybe there's like
a DEALC because I haven't played all the deal for
New Vegas. Maybe that's one of them. You go to
because I guess Colorado and Vegas are close, right, am
I right about that, both of.
Speaker 2: Them, But I don't know where they are on the.
Speaker 1: They're apocalypse hiking distance, you know, you have nothing to do.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's one of the DLCs.
Speaker 4: Uh, maybe that's maybe that's one of the DLC's or
something like that. Not that that's a character from the
game anyway, but yeah, so that already feels like, Okay,
now we're gonna potentially go in two other huge directions.
But again, it could just be like in the way
that the Kaiser's Legion was barely used in this season,
but it appears to be like a big part, Like
I guess that's a big issue I have with Like
then this of like setting up this huge war that's
gonna happen beween Kaiser's Legion and NCR, Like the only
reason I care about that is because of my pre
baked interest from the game specifically. But I guess to
ask both of you guys, like, do you guys care
about this impending war between these factions that you just
don't really know anything about from this show.
Speaker 2: Only from the season, I should I should say.
Speaker 1: Not really too because I think I screwed up. His
name is on Maximus, right, what is his name? Is this?
Speaker 2: Or this is our guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, max is a guy.
Speaker 2: We were calling him Titus on right.
Speaker 1: That's I think. If I still had a character involved
in one of these wars, I would, but we haven't.
And it's almost like these stories that you said dealing
with how many storylines, I feel like this is stuff
where maybe you could have been like, let's deal with Maximus,
Lucy and even the Ghoule Howard storyline, and then later
on let's get to Okay, we're gonna maybe set up
the Brotherhood, but let's do the civil war like down
the line when we kind of resolve some of those
issues right and build up to it where at the
end when Lucy makes me like there's a war coming,
it's like, I don't feel like there's a war coming.
Like this feels so just kind of shoehorn in there,
and yeah, I don't care as of right now. Hopefully
season three will make me care because obviously the Brotherhood
is stealed. They're no good. Kaiser is Like I did
love the stuff with mcauay culkin as far as that
note of like my line ends with me and it's
over here just and he decides to getting to kill
and think over and that's also because.
Speaker 2: Wish we call them.
Speaker 1: But I like the twist, yeah, which at least them
were visiting to him though maybe go okay, maybe he
will have a bigger role in three, because I was
worried it was just that episode and they just they
were done with it, so they have to make me
care and I do have like more denis of that,
but I'll throw the tape. Oh and I will also
mention I looked in the Fall wiki. Apparently Colorado has
been mentioned several times this series, but I don't know
if they've gone there. It says it's been mentioned in
Fall New Vegas seventy six and the TV series. It
had factions formerly of the hand Dogs and then Kaiser's Lesions,
so that could transfer over auestly, maybe they're gonna maybe
their ideas they want to take over more of Colorado.
But yeah, Colorado was a state of pre war in
the United States of America, mentioned multiple times, but I
don't know if they've been there in the game. So, okay,
do you care about the Civil warf we get there
in season three? Like don't asked.
Speaker 3: I mean everything with the Brother of Steel. I was
excited to kind of get this thing falling apart because
we've got a few episodes it felt like of them
establishing this this alliance. It was shaky. And then you've
got this fifth faction of the Brother of Steel showing
up and like they're the Bee's Knees. They got like
all extra suits and power armor, all that jazz, like
the top line, and then it just cuts to cuts
to black. You get a couple of their cruisers just
fire upon each other and some internal conflict and that's it.
Then we move on and we go like four episodes,
three episodes with nothing following that. It's like, well, that's
that's kind of shitty. That's a very very significant thing
in this season, and so I'm glad that we got
an end credit scene that kind of it is like
giving us a little tidbit. But it's a shame to
throw such a thing like this in an end credits scene,
Like what the fuck.
Speaker 1: So it's like like I think we're we're excited. I
didn't know there was an end credit. I honestly just
left one because I was digging the music. And then
I saw this pop up, but like I like, if No.
One game players don't see this big machine, are they
getting very excited? Like to them, it's almost nothing. Like
to me, it's like, Okay, they're building something that I
hope they have the budget for because it's definitely looking
great and they're gonna introduce us what Transformer thing.
Speaker 3: Now I'm excited with the fact that, like we're getting
I guess just confirmation. Okay, this story isn't done in
these characters are are still thinking it out. And it
wasn't like because when I saw that scene of this
the cruisers like firing up on each other, I thought, well,
they're the Brothers Steals no more. I legit thought like, Okay,
they're done, there's nothing left because or maybe the that
fifth faction that exists out there. I thought, maybe they're
gonna be the ones that are just gonna come out
on top.
Speaker 1: But somehow I lost the Brotherhood of Steel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so this kind of reaffirms like, Okay, no,
they're they're still they're out there. They're still pretty strong
and pretty capable. But yeah, that's that's that's that's not
But I do look forward to them coming back.
Speaker 4: I mean because I was just looking this up too,
like apparently, I mean, this makes a lot of sense
that Followed three and in like the game in the timeline.
Speaker 2: Is like before New Vegas.
Speaker 4: So it also makes me curious what storyline we'd be
getting with this Alpha Prime thing and going back back
in time, because this is already the show is passed
New Vegas and now we're going way back in time.
So it again it's like the way they took like
even just the city of New Vegas and the way
that that's changed in the show versus what it's like
in the game because all these oldest time has passed.
Speaker 2: I guess it makes me curious what kind of.
Speaker 4: Storyline we'd even get from Followed three given that that
story has already taken place, unless they just like break
canon and do some other fun stuff with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which there's two other notes. I guess it appears
directly in Fault Tactics, so there you go, and would
have featured prominently in Van Buren aka the Canceled Fault
three game by Black Isle Studios, what appears in Colorado
Colorado's Tactics, and then Van Burden the Canceled Fault three
by Black Isle Studs. So why you said there's a
black Eyed or a Black Eyed there a Fault three,
there's one that was also canceled, I guess. So I
guess was there a version of that game that didn't
like they started over or something.
Speaker 2: Maybe with the original developers back in the day.
Speaker 4: I didn't actually know about that, but the canceled Fault
three by by Black Isle Studios, Yeah, that would have
been like back in the nineties, I guess, like before
it does about the IP probably.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of a fun thing though. I feel
like that's kind of cool where it's like there, you
were gonna get a game about Colorado got canceled, and
that's what I was gonna say. To circle back to Colorado,
we will talk about other stuff, NEPI. So I just
you know, obviously we're here at Colorado. Somebody's well stick around.
I think it's probably for the best for them to
go somewhere that's maybe not heavily in the games right now.
The First World was just case. You see the Vault
and the Wasteland. That's good too. They did New Vegas,
which I think we kind of all agree that maybe
they didn't do the greatest or have a big impact.
But now if you go to Colorado, I think at
least you don't have that heaviness of New Vegas. If
you got to do this or we want to see this,
and now they can kind of just do whatever they want.
Maybe like if they they go, hey, maybe they're talking
about season three and we want to do something really
radical or something, they go, well, we've never really touched
upon that in the game, that type of location. Well
what if we went to somewhere we've never gone and
that they go, oh, perfect, right, because and maybe that's
a sign, hey, we're not going to Colorado and fall
Out five or whatever have at it. So I think
that'll be a good thing. I guess my question is, now,
and now we talk about specifics, is Maximus and Lucy
are there? We talk about they're seeing this war happen
or the starting of a war, and then Howard's off
to Colorado. I don't know how those stories are gonna interlink,
so are they? Are they not gonna interact all?
Speaker 4: There's again, so much fast travel that happens in this show,
Like people traverse huge swats.
Speaker 2: Of land extremely quickly. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think they'll I will get away with it because
we don't. Like sometimes the show will cut you don't
really know how much time has passed and you assume
it's been like a day, but like based on how
far they've gone, it's like, oh, this is probably like
weeks of travel.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. It's it's tricky. So I don't know.
I don't know if that'll be a huge issue.
Speaker 1: I guess I guess. I mean just more like why
would they follow him? You know, like, what are they
gonna need because like, at least with Maximus, he's looking
for Lucy right where. I think Lucy and Howard ended
on better terms here because he did save her. But
I don't think they're gonna be like, well, we need
Howard for this this war or something, right, So that's
why I'm wondering how they're gonna or if they're gonna
do that. Maybe they're just gonna do a season where
like Howard's on his own and then those two are
by themselves, kind of like what they.
Speaker 2: Did with Maximize the season this season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. Yeah, what will you Taylor, how
do you think do you think we could see those
storylines separate the whole season for season three or do
you think we're going to just somehow get them together.
Speaker 3: I mean, it definitely felt like the two were hunkering
down in Vegas for like batten down the hatches, and
then Cooper was out. He was out Yonder with dog Meat.
So it felt very, very split down the center between
what their two paths are going to be. But I
just want to like touch upon that note of them
going into Colorado and that not being a touch point
really in the games. Yes, and I'm kind of advocating
for the side of where you get to focus on
creating new original content and expand on the world building
with the show because they're going somewhere that hasn't been
featured before, it's only been mentioned. But I know that
is it a double edged sword because if you're looking
at something like this, are people going to hate on it?
Because when you're dealing with a game franchise and you
try to creating do your own spin to it, well,
then all of a sudden, you got the community just
getting pissed off because like, oh, you know, what are
they doing? And it's like there's no source materials that
they're pulling from. They're just creating their own sandbox at
this point. But it's pissing people off because they're making
bad decisions, right, and we've seen that in other adaptations
or even just books.
Speaker 1: Right, let's say didn't have the last book, they're like, oh,
we'll do this, this and this. If you're like, oh,
this isn't how George would have done it, you know, yeah, yeah,
it'll be interesting. So let's look at for a sad
break and we'll talk about some more specifics for this
finale and we'll be right back. And we're back Tearfield.
Who you want to start with? First? What story? Where
do you want to go? Got Ghoul? Then resolution's family,
Lucy and her dad, Maximus just you know what, I'm
gonna butt in start there, because do we have much
to say about Maximus in this episode? Like, like we
talk about the death Claw a little bit, but it's like,
to me, I was very underwhelmed by that, and I
appreciate them for giving it a big highlight in the finale,
but I just wish even choreography would have been a
bit more exciting. It never once I believe him of
the towns people are in danger, like Dylan said, they
were squishy as heck, like very odd choices with a
deaf claw, you know.
Speaker 3: I I there was one moment with him where he
did a little like jet packed launch in the air
and then find his missile down and like blow it
the down death call. I like that, But the death
Claus were way too I've never fought one because I've
never really played that much a fallout, but I know
that they're strong and this just made them feel puny,
weak and insignificant. But uh yeah, I you know he was,
he was present and he saved the town, which is great.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I I give you know, credit to Thaddeus with those
toe shots.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say doctor Bubble said, uh, what wtf
is that is? Come on already, I take it. Not
a fan. I'm right down the middle with toot.
Speaker 2: I was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he lost his arm last when he has to reload.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't like the whole again it because fall
its comedic. I didn't like that when he did the
bet for the bottle caps and he let them all
go because I just feel like in this world they
might just kill you and take them ver.
Speaker 4: Is he gonna then pick all that up with with
his one arm? Yeah, that's not gonna go well for him.
So that was that was strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I yeah, I don't, I don't. I
just don't like how easily the death killed.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be like the toughest enemy in the
games other than like I think seventy six is added
a bunch of crazy monsters now, but there's supposed to
be like this big thing, and they just feel like
so easy. And honestly, I thought the CGI looked a
little bit better here of them getting slaughtered and whatnot
than it did last episode, to be honest, but still
I didn't didn't love that necessarily. It's not the end
of the world, though, I will shout out. The one
thing is when Thaddeus doesn't take the shot and you
and said, that's when, like the NCR is introducing, you
have the one guy up there with the sniper shot
that is pulled right from the follow up New Vegas.
Speaker 2: I think it's the intro cinematic.
Speaker 1: Of the game.
Speaker 4: He's the dude on the cover too, Like it's like
pretty much that exact shot. He's got the same sniper,
it's a different context. He's in a different spot, and
it's like nighttime in the game and whatnot. But it's
like the same shot, the same slow mo angle of
the bullet and whatnot. So another get like a lot
of good callbacks to the game specifically in here.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to shout that one out.
Speaker 1: But just when you're out, they get you back in.
You got a look at that cool stuff, you know.
Speaker 4: I get like when I'm watching that, I'm like, I
am acknowledging this is fan service and I like it,
but it's not gonna make me give this episode of ten. Yeah,
I think I have the ability to disconnect those things.
But overall, when I look back on this season, I
think there'll be a fun, like fifteen minute YouTube compilation
of like game reference to specific thing this show. And
I do like to see a lot of that stuff.
I just wish there was a bit more substance to
like back it up.
Speaker 1: But you know, I do have to stop because I
saw this a lot on the online deal. I'm not
sure if you saw that, slim Bob says, so disappoint
no remasters have dropped because that was a big rumor
because they're like, oh, at the finale, either with Fault
three or something else or new Vegas. There's gonna be
someone ounce for something, and as of right now eight pm,
forty seven PST, nothing game related whatsoever. So that's why,
just like that, just like the Stranger Things finale, sometimes
you gotta you gotta temper the expectations because the inner
I can just get a buzz with stuff that's really
has nothing, no merit. So I wish it happen. I
thought would have been cool to be.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the rumors for this are like as rumored
as the Oblivion one was, and that just shadow dropped
one day. So I think with Tallou, don't wait for
a certain time. Someday it'll just exist and then you
can play it. But I know that's not very helpful
for a lot of people. But yeah, I think the
only thing for me with Maximus would be just like
the reuniting with Lucy. I don't know if we want
to jump there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm not a big Maximis fan in general, but I
do think that he had some good moments in here,
like just intersplice. You know, I didn't like love the
fights with that cause necessarily, but still like intersplicing his
like flashbacks with that in real time. I thought that
was pretty well edited, and yeah, I really.
Speaker 2: Like the moment when him and Lucy get back together.
Speaker 4: I mean it's very emotional, very cute scene at the
same time, and I just, you know, I think it
was probably his best performance this season for me of
an actor that I don't think is like maybe might
give me my favorite performance of all time. And Lucy,
she's always great. She has a ton of emotional stuff
in this in this season in general, but just the
moment when they reunite, I thought was really really cute,
really sweet, and again, even though I didn't love the
journey to get to this point, it was still a
fun moment.
Speaker 2: So youah, big shouts to both them.
Speaker 1: There, especially for her because I'd say more than ever
is when she needs anybody but at LASA, to someone
she can trust and has and or maybe had romantic
feelings towards, it's like big moment for her. And I
am curious to see his character now in season three
because season one he's very like the dopey guy trying
to work his way up. Season two was kind of
a mixture of I'm super serious and then joking with Kamil,
and then he was just kind of I don't know,
just a vessel these lass like he was just.
Speaker 4: Feel like he got teamed up with Thaddeus again and
then his goofy side started coming out.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm curious to see what they do. I
think next year is gonna get pretty heavy on the
romance side, but anything on Maximus before we move on
anything specific.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's interesting, like they I feel like
at times they don't necessarily know how they're trying to
put this character out there, because season one being goofy
and whatnot and season two being just very serious. And
that's what kind of caught me off guard, was the
sudden shift of this character being just depressed and war man.
Uh yeah. But yeah, we'll have to see what happens
with season three. I mean, because we had we had
goofy and we had calm, and then maybe we'll be
angry or hyper. I don't know, we'll get some of
the romantic version.
Speaker 1: That's next season. I got next season, Yeah, let's go
to Lucy. This was my favorite stuff, not only acting wise,
because uh, I've said it many times, I love Common Glaughlin.
I feel like you got to actually do some a
variation of performances where the season he's wasn't more but
he's always just doing like this is the way the
world and now we kind of know why, but still
was very like, Okay, it's a good performance, but it's
still kind of one note this we got to see
some variations, so I like the acting between them both
el Pernell whoever the coutume desire great in that yellow dress.
Great look, Yeah, very good. And then it it's going
back in these conversations we've had all the times a
season about the question of free wheel and then even
this too it's like a very I don't know if
I want to say the episode's like pro ai, but
there might be something to that because the big reveals. Okay,
so she has her dad, she locks them up. We
picked up from last week where we found the poor
congress woman just the brain waves you kill me. Yeah,
And I like that there's no trans this as poorly
has been kept alive for two hundred years. But I
love the reasoning as far as they wanted to use
her almost as a vessel, because she was like one
of the best, Like, if you wanted to base Zone's personality,
I'd be this person who was opposed to them, and
like that whole crew of the Vault tech people, so
they knew, hey, you know, we're against her, but she's
a good person, so we should use her. So that
was brutal, and they kind of set up that okay,
which we've I feel like we've heard before, maybe Lucy hasn't,
but they kind of, oh, like once again hit us
with Hey, the experiments, not the vaults. It's up here, right,
everyone's in the vaults can see what happens, and we're
gonna work it out and then come back and live
this new utopia. And then he also explains, hey, we're
going to or there's people out there. They got even
better myself. They got these things to just go right
in your neck and you'll never even know who's I'll
just say a robot and who's not rightven though they're
not robots, because he said, oh, that's a boring world.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So the idea is she's gonna put this in his neck.
She's gonna she wants the truth from him, which I
just said that you know what he told her, and
then he's gonna walk her. He's gonna she's gonna walk
him back for justice. And then make she said, which
was kind of chilling, like make you the dad that
I wish you were. But you know, big reveals he
also has a little buzzer and he's got a red button,
and man, this was something where it's like, Okay, I'm
not saying there's a great finale overall, but this moment
in particular when he hit that, and now we find
out whether it's a person controlling him or his program.
Which that's why I mean about the AI thing that
very likely her whole life. This guy that's raised her
is just a fucking program. It's not even her dad
because then when he gets swamps out of it, he
has no idea who she is. So it's like how
long has he been like this? Has he been like that?
Since the flashbacks? Since the vault? And that's where it's,
like I said, like somewhat pro AI because it's like
she even said, like you last episode, thank god you
raised me not to be like a doufe isn't a
bad person because this is what I'm gonna do. So
I was rocked by that. I thought he was just
killing himself. Okay, sure, easy way out. But when that
reveal of oh he's he's not actually a person, that's what.
And now he's just sitting on a stumps somewhere, no
memories like how long's he's pretty much has been a
coma his like past whatever, two hundred years crazy. So
I applaud them for that big time, that one, that
one for me, and that gives me the two thumbs up.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I I, oh, sorry, sorry, Taylor, you go
for it, go for it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was gonna say, like, I think that
will reveal it fits in my kind of head canon
of this character, because with him in this season, I
feel like they just kind of ushered him in as
a secretary who had this massive kind of mission and
was just he's super text heavy, he had all this
stuff going for him. I just thought, you know, it
doesn't I feel like there's a disconnection. It doesn't fit
with who he was in season one and now where
he isn't here. But I feel like, okay, just this
is like this this vessel of this program, this alternative
kind of to what we were expecting him to be
or I guess he was portrayed to be.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: I think it fits a lot more in how I
can see this character and how I can take it
so retroactively, this reveal it actually boosts up the development
and just this narrative of the character because.
Speaker 1: We always said the flashbacks too, why is he always
around too? Because that's the thing I just thought, Okay,
maybe he's gonna usurp the people, like something happens that
will find the flashbacks that com MacLaughlin kind of go
especially too when mister or what's his name, doctor House,
Mister House was like, oh there was unseen forces, I thought, oh,
that's gonna be the reveal that the whole time Cole
macglaughlin was kind of working in the shadows to get
up the chain. But no, like I said, we don't
know when that happened, but no, he was just kind
of another tool for Voltech to use, like almost like
the one A of this mechanic, which apparently, according to him,
they have a bunch of already. So I love that
line for next season of Oh there's people that you've
probably met that have them you don't even know, which
is like who do you trust? Like, yeah, that's a
good layer now, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's interesting the way that connects with like the
big narrative around in Fallout four of like the sense
and how indistinguishable they are from humankind and that sort
of stuff too, So I feel like there is maybe
some connectivity there. And I guess again, this canonically takes
place after Fallout four as well, so I don't know
what that means there, if there's actually a connection those
two things, or if it's more just like a overall
kind of thematic connection. But yeah, I agree with you guys,
like really really cool reveal, really good the way it's done,
really emotionals and great acting from the both of them there.
But like again, particularly Lucy, I mean, like her eyes
obviously are just so distinct, and especially when she's crying,
it's like, oh my god, Like she just has the
way of like drawing you, and it's crazy. I think
the only thing that I didn't love about the sequence
is it's twofold, because I like that Howard comes back
and saves her, you know, in that moment. But I
also kind of wish that she had gone a note
of it on her own. But you know, it's it's tricky, right,
I kind of want two things that are impossible to
have at the same time, just because I feel like
she's grown and I feel like she's she's was so
naive and that was like the journey of season one
is like not becoming, like getting out of the naivety
that she had, and she still has moments of that
because she's still fresh to the overworld then compared to
the people who've lived their whole lives. But you know,
I think overall, given how much of a plot twist
this is, it makes sense that anyone can kind of
get fooled in this situation. And I guess she definitely
thought she had the upper hand last week when she
locked him up, right, So yeah, yeah, I guess you
can't put too much blame on her there. But that's
maybe my only minor quibble with that with that sequence.
But cool to see Howard to come back for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think they just did that. So the
next time they meet, they're all good. There's no like, oh, well,
the last time we were together, you try to trade
me in and I kicked you off roof. Right now,
it kind of feels like it's like we're square. I
agree that you could have maybe had two things where
maybe she gets out of it and he intervenes in
a different way. But so now I do get that.
And also we talked about Colorado, but I don't think
we specifically we mentioned a little bit about why we're
going there. Howard's whole episode was flashbacks, which I did
like as far as because we kind of talked about
we've seen the new captain and we were always wondering,
kay him and his wife, did they end on good
terms or not right because we've seen arguments and stuff
and she was part of that. But shows that, okay,
they're kind of working together near the end, and that's
why it is looking for because near the end they
must have figured it out. He finally gets to these
other vaults for the managers, he sees the names, he
asks for the open it for mister House and then
of course they're not there, so he thinks all hope
is lost. But then he finds that postcard. It says Colorado,
and then it says it was a good idea you had,
and then that's where he's off to. So that was
the one where it's like I would have rather than
been alive or dead, like do I need my only hope?
And this is where I will critique it when we
get to the next season, is we could easily have
a time jump right between season two and three. True,
if he meets his family, like I'll say, in the
first half of season three, then I'm okay with it.
If it's like out, you're going there and then you
find them then and then find that. If it's another
thing that's strung along to the season three finale, that's
where I go, okay, it's yeah like that. And this
was fine because like season one, we didn't know exactly
what he was after for a bit, right, and then
we got that, so I was found another season. If
we do season three to the finale where he either
finds his family or it delays again, that's a bit
too much for me. It just feels like we have
nothing for Howard to do. And it's almost like this
the writers are scared of, Oh, when we get him
with his family, how do we write that, which to
me is some juicy stuff because now they have those pods.
I imagine his daughter is going to be aged up
a little, right, Like, I don't think she's gonna be
the same little girl she was, right.
Speaker 4: I mean that very much could be a thing like
Fallout four, right, which, like the whole twist, the law
twist of that game. They could like redo that if
they want, and maybe it wouldn't work as well unless
you haven't played Fall at four I guess, but like
that's that that could be juicy if they go for that.
Speaker 1: Especially if we go full Fall four with that character
maybe not being on the good side.
Speaker 4: That could be with a synth again, which would connect
with like yeah too, like that that's I mean, maybe
we see it coming a little bit, but still that
would be a big moment. I mean, at least for
the reveal of like Cooper's character, that would be pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if it can leads to some good stuff,
So that's why for me, I'm tentative. But when it
was those pods open and nobody and then the postcard
was like, okay, so I guess I'll circle back to them. Okay,
I'll circle back to this next year when we talk
about next season or whenever.
Speaker 3: But so maybe I'm thinking I must have missed something
throughout season one or maybe something in season two. But
when we got those flashbacks of Cooper fleeing on horseback
from that birthday party with his daughter, so did did
we get he?
Speaker 1: Just are you saying how he's on jail?
Speaker 3: No, how is he just like when the nukes went off?
Why did you did he just say, here you go
a wife, here's a daughter. I'll find you guys in
a vault years later.
Speaker 1: Well, he was on a gig though, that's what if
you remember he was on a job, like he was
like for a birthday party with his daughter or with
his Daughter's his daughter for sure?
Speaker 3: There? Yeah, because then they escape on horse together. I thought,
That's where I'm not sure if did I miss something?
Because where's the disconnect? How did the daughter end up
in a vault out of his reach? If they were together?
Speaker 1: I guarantee you, as much as I don't like this answer,
you're gonna find out next year via flashbacks. I think
what's gonna happen is they just get they they reunite,
and they get separated. They probably think he's dead and
they go along without him. That's what I think probably is.
But the show is very much like Arrow or Dexter.
They love every season that flashbacks, So I think that's
gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I don't think of a better answer.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Yeah, let's see here look at my no. But
on one thing, just a quick thing when Maximus when
his armor came off, and like, it's just a damn kid.
This man's not a kid. It's like tobmcguarian Spiderman two
when he's on the train. I guess, but he still
looks I love me find old. He's like he to me,
looks like a man. I'm not saying old man. I'm
just saying like he just is. I don't see him
and look like that's a kid out there, you know.
Speaker 4: So I hear you, Travis, you were you were theorizing
on like when, how how far in the next season
we'll get Howard reuniting with his family? I guess same
question for you guys with Norm. How far into season
three do we get uh Lucy and Norm reconnecting?
Speaker 1: Oh god, I forgot I literally like when you said
Norm I had to struggle with I.
Speaker 4: Feel like, if I had to predict, I feel like
the Norm one will happen early on in the season
and Howard's family and I know I keep swapping between
calling him Cooper and Howard on the first last names
to make it extra confusing. I'll go with Howard from
here on out. I feel like that to me, seems
like a season ender situation. So I feel like Norm
early mid next season because what else is Norm got, Like,
I don't know what else we could drum up for him.
Speaker 2: To be doing for six busy saving this chick's life.
Speaker 1: No, right, we're going home, and it's like you want
to go home?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to go home?
Speaker 1: Really? So I think there's a good chance because I
think I'm really on the theory that Cooper Howard will
be mostly on his own, So I think that's how
you can have Lucy meet her brother somewhat. I hope.
I hope mid season, not finale. I hope it's not
a thing that's striped out because I feel like I
need them back together for me to care about what's
going on Norm, because I just I really don't like
all that drama. Everything happened with these all people. They
just died like for not sets where it's just like,
not only was I not invested, if you're trying to
get me invested, that shows me not to care because
all the power struggle, the actual secret backup plan, all
this stuff didn't matter because a bunch of bugs got them.
Speaker 4: So it's like like I would have been fine if
that happened in the their first outing, which would have
been funny. It would have been a classic fallout joke
of like, oh, they died to a bunch of rad roaches,
the lowest level enemy in the game, like cannon fodder.
It gives you one XP because it's such a small enemy.
But like the fact that we kind of dick around
on the whole season before we get that happens, and
there's like not really anything too compelling that happens in
the meantime, A couple of nice scenes with him and
that one girl, but like, I don't know, I feel
like we just didn't really need to do all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, when's the brother and sister getting back together?
Speaker 3: Hmmm? You know, off the top of my head, I
was thinking, like, yeah, you could. I could see like
maybe like mid season brother and sister, like they bump
into each other and then they have like some kind
of disruption or something happens and they come back in
like the penultimate or whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I I.
Speaker 2: Don't know.
Speaker 3: It's tough to say because I feel like we've got
these three narrators, We've got stuff that's gonna continue happening
in Las Vegas, the unfolding of this war, stuff that's
going to be happening in Colorado, and stuff that's gonna
be happening in the vaults because we've got characters returning
to the vault and whatnot. So three different storylines like
where we're gonna have one more season of all of that,
and then another season where they've all kind of come
back home and we kind of meet together. I gain like,
so I don't. I don't know, I could. I could
see the whole Norman Lucy thing, not even really. Maybe
they don't reconnect next season. I mean they didn't at
all in this season, so maybe season three they don't
reconnect at all again. Right, it depends how many more
shows they're going to be doing.
Speaker 2: Of this would be two full seasons apart.
Speaker 3: It would be crazy. I could. I would. I would
definitely say I could see Howard and his family definitely
sooner than Lucy and Norm for sure.
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah they could.
Speaker 4: Maybe Norm will team up with Howard and that'll be
the duo the next season in the most unlikely connection.
Speaker 2: But he'll be like, hey, I see something in you kid,
you Lucy's brother. He's like, yeah, I am you want
to be friends and they just go out to Colorado
to They're.
Speaker 1: Not wrong because we said love, because we said that
they're like Google Cooper. Howard could potentially get another person
if they don't. If he doesn't meet back up with
Lucy and Maximus.
Speaker 4: You need him, he needs to act with someone. You're
just gonna have Goggins on his own walking around and
be Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess the only thing is with gog and Seu
he don't know is the set up a couple episode's
go remember that whole mutant thing. So I could also
be part of his storyline next season with Ron Pearlman
and stuff, and like they wanted him for the war,
so I think there's still some more So, yeah, there's
some more stuff to do there. So Ron Peerlman could
also be one of those buddies he takes or like
another Muty, right he meets someone that's like the lower
tier muten Yeah.
Speaker 2: I because I was wondering.
Speaker 4: One of the iconic locations in fallow In, Vegas, which
I made a video on recently, is Jacob's Town, which
is like a settlement of supermutins, and so I wondered
if we were going to go there this season, So
that could be a place that we that we that's
in the mountains, so that they can that could be
a transition to get to Colorado.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. No, that makes sense. By
the way, Aaron Morden, who plays Maximus, is thirty six
years old. He turns he's in the chat and had
a calm and I was like, no, no, no, crazy,
come on the show coming after nine. He's about to
be thirty seven in uh in twenty five days, so
he is three years away from forty. Happy birthday for sure.
Just I can't be calling him a kid on fault.
You know you're not a kid, you know. So he's
a man.
Speaker 3: He thought he was the early twenties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how was he supposed to be in the show though?
Speaker 1: Do you think I think early twenties.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's bemboozled, like twenty six.
Speaker 1: Because Elo Pernell she's twenty nine. So yeah, I think
they're supposed to be like the mid twenties.
Speaker 3: So twenty nine in the show or twenty nine in
real life real.
Speaker 1: Life, I don't know the show age. I don't got that.
At my disposal with the vaults, not much happened other
than they were. Like obviously last week the marriage happened.
She's Canadian. They're breaking down door. Also, we got some
I can't remember because I watched him back to back
the flashbacks of her at Comic Glach that was last week,
right of her that was this week. So I don't
think this is the case. But because they introduced that
her mom was out there, got lost and became a ghoul,
is there any chance this person's Lucy's mom?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting to see what's gonna happen there,
if they're gonna fully go that route or what.
Speaker 2: You would think Steph would in that world. Okay, if
that is the world, does Steph know that.
Speaker 1: She'd have to, right because she was on pregnant and
if she knows, I guess she's only sleeping with commaglaughlin.
Speaker 4: Now because I'm trying to think back on like any
interactions they had in season one they were buddies, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Or and she doesn't have any care for her kids, right,
I mean, look at how she's.
Speaker 1: Been well this whole season, Because she might be another
program like Comma Glochan though, right, Yeah, that's she's another
she could just be another vessel. She might not even
be a person.
Speaker 2: Extremely likely, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all folds and that's my only reason of
the only way I think Lucy could end up back there.
Obviously she didn't see those slashbacks, right, she's not the viewer.
I'm just saying they could tie that together. Maybe Norm
finds something out. Maybe maybe that's what you give Norm juice.
Speaker 4: Und controlled though I feel like she's kind of evil
enough that I would think that maybe she's just an
evil person.
Speaker 1: Or is that her programming?
Speaker 3: Though that she's right, how do you deduce the difference? Really?
Speaker 4: Because he said, you're not even gonna know in the program, mean,
what would be the incentive one or the other?
Speaker 2: It's hard to know.
Speaker 1: And I would kind of assume that if he was
like taught the chain, he was programmed, why wouldn't she.
You know, That's one of these things of like, if
you if all these people are so far out and
they don't have controlling people, do you want to risk
anybody and the whole and they're all about free will? Right,
do you want to risk anybody changing their mind or
getting a heart or banning the mission? Versus we can
press a button to make them do whatever, Like we've
always seen people in that vault like change up on
her right. So I'm not gonna say one hundred percent,
but my percentages leaned to she might have a chip
as well. And then I don't know if she I
don't know. That's tough because yeah, I really don't know.
And then I don't know what this phase two thing is.
It's and also because when she called back and she
said like, I'm so and So's wife to me, that's
also a way of like, oh, well, we trust her
because she is in line with him. So I don't know.
There's some interesting thing that could be something that they
give what's his name their brother's name again, nor Norm.
That could be a juicy thing for him, as if
you find out this girls's actual mother, right, like some
things you could do there your same.
Speaker 2: Age, Lucy and Norman even brothers sister at this point,
who the heck is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got the same hair, you know, so maybe
do they they got the brown hair, you know, I
think it's a sem of color.
Speaker 2: It's like the three options for hair color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have the lucy eyes though, I don't think
they're from the same parent No, no, no, no, wise,
what do Ella Pernell's parents look like?
Speaker 2: Do it they have eyes like her?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I read something about the when people
have big eyes, it's actually not the big high eyes.
It's just a smaller heads.
Speaker 2: She just has a really small head.
Speaker 1: Well that No, it was a legit thing. It was
not on me even that's what it was, So I'd
go back earlier on doing searching up doctor roles ass.
Do you all think the vat's mechanic was portrayed bear
this season or last season? He was this season it
was when Lucy was on the drugs. Wouldn't remember that
when she was on the drugs? I with the Elvis's Yeah,
to me, that was a better use you did to
do too much. I don't have a memorable scene for
season one of them doing that where that was a
fun memorable scene of all the ghouls on the strip
their elves issues on the drugs. So to me, I
think it was betrayed better in this season. And I
think it's something you don't want to overdo because like,
don't allude with the guy that covered the sniper. That
is cool, but you don't want to just over and
over just feel like you're eluding or because then it
just it doesn't become a show anymore. It just becomes
like a cool CGI cut scene. And you want to
find a balance of that, right, So I don't think
every time we do an action scene that should be
evoked and like, okay, we gotta do somo and go
out for limbs and stuff. So I think better for
me this season, so I were more memorable, and I
think so, yeah, once per season you do that. Yeah, yeah,
any luck on those parents couldn't find anything, Okay, we'll
just assume as Comicclaughlan and her anything else. That's all
my notes I have for this finale.
Speaker 2: I too, am noteless.
Speaker 3: Wasted in the wasteland.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I kind of alluded to this earlier. I'm
for now going to drop a seven on this. I
actually do think the score could actually go up or
down depending on season three and how things go. I
think this is setting up a lot of stuff, and
I'm not saying that everything has to be resolved next season,
but I think a lot of the storylines that have
been going on for one and two should be resolved
in three and then introduce some new stuff, you know,
the Vault stuff should be settled, the norm and Sisters
stuff should be settled. Howard's family should be settled. If
it's not, and we're back your season three being like, oh,
Howard's still looking for his family, that directively make the
season worse for me. But the next season could actually
kind of maybe bump into like a point five maybe one, because,
like Taylor said, like that reveal of Cole MacLachlan, now
I want to go back and watch season one thinking
about that, that this guy the whole time as a program,
right so there are things that are making it more interesting.
So that's where I am right now as a at
a seven. Like I said, the first season was about
a nine to nine point five somewhere in there. They
had a few issues so I couldn't get to the
full monty of a ten. But I feel comfortable with
the seven right now. We'll revisit in the future, so
that's rare.
Speaker 4: I'll double down because I also want to give this
bad boy a seven. So that's acknowledging all my of
course biases and all the fan service that they have
in here, which is all fun stuff I like to see.
But I think overall, I just was not super vibing
with this season. I think we waste a lot of
time on some storylines that I was not super engaged in.
But as you just mentioned, I totally agree with that too,
Like retroactively, I could see this getting affected by what
happens in season three. But I think maybe one of
the more damning things I could say about this is that,
like I was so excited to rewatch season one and
do and I don't rewatch shows ever, Like that's very
rare for me to do that, other than like Nathan
for you, that's the only thing I like rewatch. So
I was like excited to do a rewatch of season one,
did that in preparation for season two, and that was
a really good time. But when season three comes out,
I'm not not too interested in doing a rewatch of
this season.
Speaker 2: So that's too bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I don't know, I probably won't won't revisit
this at any point. Know though, maybe if season three
is great, I'm like, damn, I now I got to
see how that connects back to season two stuff. But
I would say that's a little bit unlikely. I'm so
excited for season three, But yeah, I'm gonna stick with
a seven point zho.
Speaker 1: So maybe Dylan will rewatch season two in preparation of
season four. If season three is great, you know, it's
kind of that full circle thing.
Speaker 2: And then for five we can finally rewatch season one.
It's been a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be watching the reality show Dylan
the Vault.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, should I apply to go on that show?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? You should. You should you have make sure you
have those videos saved up, talk about like your history
of the franchise and just why you think.
Speaker 4: I did save a tab of it. I was like,
I should apply for this, so I don't cut cut.
I don't know what the deadline is, but I'll apply.
I'll try to get on there.
Speaker 2: You should first pride on there.
Speaker 1: That's a full circle moment there. So Taylor, at the
end of all things, what's your number?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: I think this is gonna be our luckiest episode yet
because I'm going to seven.
Speaker 1: H you know, I thought you'd be higher. That's why
I left you last.
Speaker 3: But okay, no, No, I felt feel really good about
the Yeah, there were things that were rushed and there
were things that I feel like just loose ends and
the way this finale concluded, I'm just not feeling satisfied
with that kart dangling a little bit further out of
my reach and having away a little bit longer. But
that being said, there there wasn't enough in here that
it got me juice, got me excited, got me amped
up with some action sequences, and the characters, the actors
all came to bad. I really enjoyed a lot of
that stuff. And there are a couple of reveals in
here that were really really intense and awesome, and yeah,
just at its core, I really liked having Lucy and
Cooper just kind of going through the Wasteland as a
dynamic duo kind of team. I really enjoyed that. I
think I have just like a weak bone for that
kind of thing in media, where you just get two
characters that just have very different mentalities. But if they
if the actors have that kind of sync nicity with
each other, that chemistry, than anything's possible on that screen.
And I'll eat it up every single day, So I
think I can. I was really on board with it.
So if they do switch Lucy out for Norm, I
hope that he's got that chemistry with Goggins too, So
we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. Forgot to do this, I'll do it now.
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