Speaker 1: On Friday, an s Tier Scooper came out and said officially,
because you guys talked about a bit last week where
Ryan Raels posted the Avengers logo and then like, okay,
what does that mean? And then they said on Friday, hey,
we've heard he's in it. The wrinkle in this that
another Steer Scooper came out and said that they heard
he's not in it. I'm just gonna say that my
personal opinion, there's two things. Either the other s Tier
Scooper was just looking for traffic, like I think it
was Hollyward Report that said yes and yeah Deadline that
said no, or might be the other way around. Someone
can correct me in the chat. I forgot to look up.
But either you got bad information and you're gonna look
really bad come time Avengers, or it's marvel like trying
to like deter it. But like I'm gonna say, as
right now, it's looking like Deadpool. I'm what I am
surprised about is I thought Secret Wars was a lock.
Him being in Doomsdays, I'll say a little surprising, not
too surprising, because Austin the MCU has had a rock
year even at Fantastic four like, you know, it's it's
just gonna barely break five for the first time in
eighteen years. Taylor DC's gonna win the box office? You know?
Is that crazy? Eighteen years? It's pretty good since the
Dark Night Bill and no one have been caring that
for a little bit. But does it surprise you at
all that he's gonna be in Doomsay? This didn't say
a Secret Wars, but I'm gonna assume if he's in one,
he's in both of them. Did it surprise you that
that sounds like that's an official thing? And then also,
what would you have him? What do you think he's
gonna do in Doomsday? Would he be like a supporting character?
Would it be a cameo just a set up Secret Wars?
Does he have a big role? Like what is your
mindset on the Deadpool and Doomsday part?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting if we're gonna
be having this movie with its main narrative and it's
just gonna pull you out for certain little mini sequences
or a little quick little cuts where you have the
fourth wall being broken and you have just Deadpool Waite
Wilson doing his thing. But I'm down for that. I
think he's he's gonna serve as that comedic relief and
just you know, they've established that he wants to join
that bigger team. He wants to be an Avenger and
all that. So they're gonna give it to him, and
we're gonna see him just like pop off in there.
I don't think he's gonna die. I think he's just
gonna come in.
Speaker 1: An you think he's gonna be on the Avengers team though,
I think he's gonna help Avengers. I don't think he's
ever gonna get to be on the team.
Speaker 2: No. I think you know, if you got if we're
looking at Team Doom is the thing here and they
got like Kings, Thanos and everyone on there. And then
we've got all the other teams, the Thunderbolt, Avengers team
you know, the New Avengers. Then we've got the original
Avengers team Loki, all these different teams. I think you know,
Deadpool's gonna pop in and uh, Sam Wilson is gonna
be like, I need you Wade Wilson. They got the
same last name.
Speaker 1: No, he's gonna push away. I feel like you get
the memory of Goldfish you were, you hosted weekly Geek
last week.
Speaker 2: Team Loki versus Team Doom.
Speaker 1: And who was rumored to be on Team Loki dead that. Yeah,
so I wonder because it kind of comes into all
of them because the thing is, like I I get
it from Marvel's POV right of like you get Ryan
Reynolds in there, Big Star, Peole Love, Deadpool, Massive Movie,
So yeah, that'll help I do hope. I think in
this one it should be a smaller role because like
we already got like a lot of already saying you
have Doctor Doom, and then you have four and then
the Avengers. Let's say, if the Thor's in the Avenger
is fine, so you got Doctor Doom, Avengers, Thunderbolts, and
Fantastic Four. To me, that's already like wait, that's way
too much in my opinion, and there could be a
Spider Man jumping around like that's way too us. So
it's like, oh, Deadpool. And then there was another scoopa
that they're not an S tier, they're like a C tier.
But they said like, oh, I've heard that both X
twenty three and Wolverine are in it. What I think
is gonna happen is in Supermic says I gotta be
a brief cameo. Having him in there too much would
take a lot away from space other characters. I agree.
What I think is gonna happen is I don't think
it's an end credit because they want to set it up.
I think it's do Doctor Doom or whatever. Guys are
gonna win and it's gonna go to shit. I think
now I pitched this with Thanos. I don't think it's
gonna happen, but I think what they're gonna do is
they're going to do a similar to Piots that Caribbean
dead Man's Chest ending where we got a few heroes remaining.
We're all down. But my pitch is what I think
is a portal's gonna open and you got That's where
you get Team Loki because Loki can walk out. You
leave Thor alive so he can act very shocked when
he sees Loki. You get that moment so he can
be the Barbosa. But then he's not gonna have some
friends with me, but something like I have some people
here to help, and that's where you get Deadpool x
twenty three, Wolverine, some of these multiverse people, and that
sets up secret Wars. I think the same way as
a you know, skip ahead if you haven't seen Superman.
Spoilers for the last few minutes Superman, so skip ahead
like two minutes. But I thought it was a great way,
and I think it's it's better than a cameo, the
way Supergirl came in, got Crypto and set up, Hey,
that's the next movie. If you want to see her more,
she's coming up. I think that's the same Waey, Like
you could make that an end credit, but I think
you really want to show people like no, like isn't
just any Craig this part of the movie, like Deadpool, Wolverine,
all these people like they're gonna be in the next
movie and they're gonna be big deals. So I think
it's gonna be a small role because I know Secret
Wars might be the close off the multiverse, but I
feel like in that movie you can have you can
have Like in Secret Wars. Do you think it's easier
for Deadpool to do his fourth wall breaking and kind
of be a bit more crazier when you're dealing with
like multiple universes and characters crashing into each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes more sense.
Speaker 1: So that's why I feel like you get something, And
Mike says, you probably give him your first pg F
bomb wall. They can't because unless you've been in the movie.
But remember they already gave that to Guardians. Remember open
the fucking door. Let Star Wars have it, which I
Taylor made a growth. Taylor looks disgusted. I liked that choke.
That was good enough, But that wouldn't be bad if
Loki does a spiel I walked down. If you had
Deadpool look at a character in the camera and said
Avengers fucking Assembled, and then that's when you know, like
it's on. But yeah, I think that's what's gonna happen.
But I'm I guess I'm less Okay. Travis at the
beginning of the year is surprised Deadpools and Doomsday. Travis,
after seeing the box off the last three Marvel movies,
is not surprised Deadpool is in Doomsday because I think
they just feel like they need to get everybody back
on board. And man, I feel like these two movies
gott to be so expensive. I feel like they gotta
be more expensive than En Game and Finny war Prize
four together, probably separately. I don't think that, But yeah,
I hope it works out for them because if they
spend all this money and these movies just also crater, Like,
how do you feel, because now Austin will probably talk
about like the next time we do a draft update,
but how do you feel now that Superman if should
be F four because you had super you had F
four beating Superman, But that's not happening. It's gonna come
on like a whole like maybe like one hundred, one
hundred and twenty five million less than that, and uh yeah,
so F four was gonna be it's about five hundred
cap is like four nineteen and Thunderbolts like three ninety two.
Now that they've had such a rough year, what was
your thoughts on now? F four? Seemingly they had they
had kind of two weeks in a row like mass
of like sixty percent drops and didn't really have the
legs that they were likely hoping for.
Speaker 2: You know, it's unfortunate it didn't do that well in
that regard, But it's it's a good movie. It really is.
And I'm all I'm hearing is people like they're enjoying
the movie, So I think that's that's still a win.
And when you look at the like, what are they
They're obviously going to look at the money first, which
is kind of a shame, but I think, hey, if
they look at the money and then they also look
at the reception and they see, hey, you know we okay,
we didn't make a lot of money but we got
a really really good reception here with this. I hope
that they take that and they run with that a
little bit more instead of like, oh, it didn't make
enough money, We've got to redo the whole thing and like, no,
don't like people enjoyed this movie, Like you did something right.
I think the only reason that it was straggling a
little bit behind was because you had Jurassic World, you
had Superman, and then you also have a very rough
build up of MCU movies at this point. Thunderbolts was great,
and that did, you know, a bit better than I
was expecting it to be, you know, in terms of
its narrative and whatnot and its characters. But with Captain America,
Brave New World and just the TV shows and everything
that's kind of been building up to this point, it's
been very convoluted and damaging. And that's where you can't
really get excited about Fantastic four ahead of time because
it's like, well, what do we have excited to be
a four about? Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: And p I've said this before, like they don't. I
don't think. I think I'm valide. The f force is
not like an A list team, you know, like maybe
they can get them that, but they're not. Just because
they were a lists in the com books doesn't mean
they were a list there. I was trying to look
and see because I knew this was a stat, but
I didn't have this. I think the stat is, okay,
let's see here, because let's say it's five hundred. I'm
trying to find the last time because yeah, a Fantastic
four is like at four seventy. Fuck, every play in
the world's going by tonight. I think the stat was
that it's like, yeah, you can hear it. Yeah, there
here comes Fantastic four. The stat was like, it's the
biggest single Marvel movie, like debuting quite a while, So
let me take a look. So right now, it's at
four sixty nine. Okay, Eternals made four oh one, sung
she made four three two Captain Marvel. Okay, so you
know what if you want to have a pausitive spin.
Even though Captain Marvel one point one billion dollars, it's
the biggest debut film for the MC since twenty nineteen,
so like with no like sequel or existing characters, it's
the biggest. So you know, you could say that's a win,
and I rethin, like, well, I think it's a twofold.
I think it's h like if I can say it's
a win, I don't know, because I guarantee you I
think they thought it was gonna be super and I
think they thought I was gonna do a lot better
than five hundred. I think I think it's a what
are they go? What do they call it in tennis?
When you just keep tying.
Speaker 2: Oh, because it's.
Speaker 1: Like forty love and then I can't remember what it's is,
but like I'll just say it's like a push. It's
a kind of a tie. I think it's because I
think even though Thunderbolts had a better reception, I think
that's if we were doing like the Star Wars chart,
that's technically a loss and Captain America is a loss.
If what Mike was Somemonie said, oh, could you have
a push category because we're not doing that, but if
we did. In this situation, I would say it is
like a push or a draw, because I think there's
equally good things and equally bad things about it. If
I had edge, I would say it's a win for now,
but it's like a light like like a fifty one
versus forty nine percent win, because I think there's lots
of other reasons, and I still think they should have
put it in November and stuff. But yeah, we'll see you.
And like I said, I think all this stuff is
why Deadpools and Avengers won and all. Like, I think
they are very much trying to get people on board.
So when they get to X Men, they like the
two Avengers movies, they've made their money, and then people
are hopefully in love with the MCU. But I know
what's gonna happen. It could be the start of the DCU.
But even though I would not pick Supergirl or Clay
Face to beat Spider Man or Avengers Doomsday next year,
I'm not making that pizza bet.
Speaker 2: So Spider Man like whatever happens with Doomsday, I mean,
Spider Man is just gonna take the cake. Holy shit,
that movie is.
Speaker 1: Just you think Spider Man could be bigger than Doomsday?
Speaker 2: I think it could be bigger. Well, yeah, just because
again spider Man, Hulk Punisher. That's that's three right there,
and then the whole town villains, right.
Speaker 1: I can't Downny Ryan Reynolds Dooms. Do you think it
could be bigger than that?
Speaker 2: I've spoken to a few people now that like, oh,
what do you think about Wolverine and Deadpool? And then
a lot of people are not really hot on it,
like even I think Dylan is kind of not as
hot on anymore. And I think the longer people stew
on it, it's like, yeah, I can't really go back
and enjoy it as much. It's like the first one,
the first tippool. Yeah, they I don't.
Speaker 1: Trust those people.
Speaker 2: I like the movie a lot and I will rewatch
it a lot, but a lot of people I bomp
into they're like, yeah, you know that movie was just
like it relied a lot on like certain things, and
a lot of the jokes were like too much and
all this mumbo jumble.
Speaker 1: So but do you think they're not gonna go see
Avengers Doomsday?
Speaker 2: I think they will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I just feel like it's.
Speaker 2: Between the two if they can only go to one
superhero movie, and some people do. Some people don't go
to every super movie. They'll only go like one, they're
the off especially now off and on. And I think
that they'll go to see a Spider Man over Avengers Doomsday.
I think they'll be like, oh, we got Frank Castle
Punisher and hear it, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know he's on. Daredevil didn't even break the
top ten most stream shows that month.
Speaker 2: You know you got all the TV shows show.
Speaker 1: I just Doomsday is gonna have the Four. We're gonna
have Thunderbolts, it's gonna have Chris Hemsworth, it's gonna have
Tom hidleson, it's gonna have Downy. Now. You got Ryan Reynolds.
If you get Jackman in there, you got the original
X Men, you got you McKellen in there, you got
Patrick Stewart had pizza bet you on that.
Speaker 2: What what are the parameters then, exactly just.
Speaker 1: Just bigger box office, bigger. Yeah, when it's over, Doomsday
will do better than Spider Man. Hmmm, Mike, don't say
anything yet.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm out, Mike cam out. I was gonna go.
Speaker 1: For it, Mike said, magic covenders are gonna have that
Christmas magic. You took that away from me. Damn. I
was gonna go for oh my go.
Speaker 2: You can't beat Christmas magic. God damn.
Speaker 1: Yeh oh yeah, never mind, just something that annoyed me
so much last week, these fucking two jokers over here.
I put Shrek the Shrek five delayed news to read. Yeah,
I got nothing to say about this. We talked forever
about how big that December was and all the movies,
how Shrek five could win. So I thought, one truck
five moving, that's a massive deal because that kind of
takes off the board. And they didn't say the whole
part of that news we're gonna talk about tonight. But
I said, Shruk five moves. It has the same release
date as Spider Verse. Be on the Spider Verse. In
the notes, that was in the notes.
Speaker 2: I swear it was the notes. Do we need to
do this recess? Let's check.
Speaker 1: If it's not that, then I screwed up. But still
the other thing was a good talking point. Let's see,
he's gonna go, he's gonna go delete the comedy before
I can even see it.
Speaker 2: I gotta get in there quick.
Speaker 1: Oh, Okay, no, I did just put Shrek five delay receipts.
Oh you guys saying Shrek wins or Spider Verse wins Shrek? Yeah, Shrek, Yeah,
I just yeah, I don't think that'll happen. I think
Spider Verse or Shrek would move. I think it would
be Spider Verse. I think that's way too similar audience.
But it's weird because I think Shrek people have been
waiting a long time to see Shrek again, so they're excited.
Where I think Spider Verse has like a bit of
like there's almost been too long since across like there's
like a there's a right amount of it's you've taken
too long, you've lost my interest versus you've been gone
for a long time and I've missed you. Because remember,
Spider Verse was supposed to feel like last year so so,
and not that the audience knows that, but again, it's
just that thing of like kids grow up and that's
a current age we were. Shrek is going to have
like multiple so I would still perk Shrek. And yeah,
I think now I think Avengers now is gonna win
Christmas because they don't I know, as bubbs don't. I
don't need no Jamanti sweep hashtag in there. Jamanji will
do definitely well, but I still think Avengers would beat
that Ice age six. It will be fine, but it's
never been a big one dune to me, it's that
Christmas movie. So that Shrek's off the board, I think
Avengers has that. But speaking of that tomorrow, what Spierman
might have. So two things happened we talked about a
couple weeks ago. But again the guy's playing Scorpion on
his Instagram posts another photo of Scorpion covered in the
black symbio. And then there was this like this, you know,
a fun controversy, but a controversy nonetheless, where so someone
that they're done filming in Glasgow, but they there was
someone took a picture of a sign it's at Symbiosis
and had like a little definition below it, and everyone's like, oh,
look at this, like look at this thing from the set.
This is looking very interesting. And then someone came out
and they went like they they some fan in Glasgow
was like, oh, don't worry about that, like that there's
a club called Symbiosis here, like that's what it is.
It's a nightclub. Da da da and then good people
hang on, hang on, but then the people people have
too much time on the hands, I guess. But some
fan online then messaged said club in Glasgow called Symbiosis,
and that club said, that's not us like that, that
has nothing to do with us. That is Oh now
you got a fucking cross rocket going by. My god,
look how bright this thing is. That guy's been by
fucking twice.
Speaker 2: And I create that term crotch rocket or did you
hear that from somewhere?
Speaker 1: I heard that's been around forever. Really, you've never heard
the term cross rocket. No chat, please tell me you've
heard this. But anyways, so they messaged this club and
Symbiosis says, hey, that poster is not ours. So I'm
just saying, where there's smoke, there's fire. They have the
Sabiosis thing they got. If the fucking Scorpion guy he's
posted these posed, he's not, then I don't know. But
the reason now why I've kind of come to terms
on it, why I think it is gonna happen, because
obviously they said they're smoke. So I didn't just come
up with a trash toy. Oh see it's in there. No. No,
I just think one. I know it's obvious, but like,
what was the end credit of Noah Home, Taylor?
Speaker 2: Oh, the end credit of no Way Home.
Speaker 1: Fuck?
Speaker 2: I just watched it. It was Tom Hardy's venom in
the bar.
Speaker 1: Yes, but remember when he gets sucked up, he leaves
a little piece of himself there. So one, this is
a good set up. I don't know if they're gonna
do it, but in the Secret Wars story, that's where
Spider Man gets the black Suit originally, and then he
takes it to Earth. My god, he takes it to Earth.
But I thought about this, and one, you sell all costumes,
toys whatever he put him Zee Wars. I don't know
if they're for sure going to do this or not,
but I don't know why I've never thought about this.
So this is a traps told me of what happens.
I thought, Man, how's there not a better way to
get Tom Holland to fight Toby Maguire and Secret Wars
if he's got that black suit on and Tom Holmes
starts to get like a little too angry, a little
too much, Like that's that's a perfect way of like, hey,
we want to have a fight between Andrew Garfield and
Toby versus Tom. How do we do that? Boom? You
get to have Toby who has experience with the black suit,
so he would know the weakness. So I'm I'm seeing
the vision, So I'm seeing that. Yeah, chills, Yeah, exactly
where they.
Speaker 2: Would do it? Do you think they would go that way?
Because that's that's pretty fucking hype chills.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that to me is very that's something you cannot avoid.
Now again, I thought lucasfilm would do that, and fucking
rebels with Darth Vader and Darth Maul, and they didn't.
Their cowards to me, especially in the last movie in
No Way Home with Peter already stopping Peter, Peter two
stopping Peter one from killing Goblin. Can you imagine that, Taylor,
where let's say when Toby and Peter meet back up,
they're just in no cautume for him, right, and they're
all happy to see it's been so long, And then
imagine when they go to suit up Toby gets that on.
Oh I'm getting there right now. I'm feeling right now,
I'm feeling the shells. He looks over and he sees
fucking Tom Holland rocking the black simulte suit and they
got and the thing is like, let's say're about to
go into battle, so he can't like talk to him
about it. And I'm not saying he turns on right away,
but like I'm telling you, that would be that's a
fucking moment right there. If Toba Maguire be like, oh
my god, I know this fucking suit's gonna do to him,
and then he can tell Andrew Garfield and Garfield's like,
oh you sure, like he seems fine and maybe he's
more violent, like I think it fits with and even
then maybe somehow he ends up working with Doom a
little bit. I don't know, but if it is inspierment,
I think we've troubled this before. Spider Man is alone,
has nobody, He's probably gonna be pretty angry. Frank Castle
has nobody. He's always angry. Hulk's gonna become a savage
hal He's angry. Introducing the simul. That's all about like
making someone more angry, more violent. So like the simul
fits with the theme. They're rocking already with Hulk and
Punish right now, right, So what do you think about
all this? Do you think this, you know is this.
Speaker 2: Is this symbio going to be talking like the Tom
Hardy's Venom or is it going to be talking not
at all like the Total I don't think it all.
Speaker 1: No. I think they would do their own distinct version.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm down for this. I think they set it up.
I want to see it, I really really do. I
think that would be really really cool to see Tom
Holland rock in that venom black spidy suit and the
idea there that stands, Hey, if Toby Maguire pops in
and it's like, hey, okay, I've got experience with this,
that would be pretty cool. That would be pretty pretty
cool to see how that unfolds and the dynamics. So
I'm game for that. That'd be pretty sweet. It just
it depends if we're going to go that route. That
seems like it's a bold, bold take, and I don't
know if they if they that takes guts, I don't
know if they have the guts to do that. Now.
They want to be safe.
Speaker 1: They can't be safe. That's what got them here. I
think be too safe.
Speaker 2: But I feel like being too safe. No, I think
they were bold by doing all these different projects and
just spreading themselves too thick.
Speaker 1: That was bold. I think I just mean like the
in these like I don't know, could you like I
feel it would take you a long time to tell
me the plot of the Marvels or like the Eternals,
like I mean safe by like their stories. Wise they
just went into let's make generic comic book movie mode
for a while. I'm not evenna say Eternals is that.
I won't say that for Eternals, but I'll say that, Oh,
the Marvels, Captain America for sure, Like what else do
we got in there that's come out recently? Thor Love
and Thunder probably for sure, even though I'd say that
maybe wasn't safe go take his style, But I think
a lot of that stuff. And even then the TV
shows they played those I think really safe and buy
the number. So I think there's I think you're right
where they did get a little risky, but I think
they could have got risky and been okay. They got
risky with Guardians, they got risky. Avengers was a risk itself, right,
like Doctor like Captain Marvel was a risk Like they
took some risks. It's just because it was a well
oiled machine. It paid off. But I just think, like
that's such a good trajectory of Spider Man four is
about him being a street whatever level guy. You get
with the symbiote, Secret Wars, you dealed him doing the
Similte stuff. Then Spider Man five you do your own venom,
you do Spider Man Venom, and SPIDERMN six that's when
you either send Tom all them off or you kill
him off. And that's when you get Miles. And that's
like a perfect to me, like trilogy right there. Events.
But I want to show you because this was done
by the actual guy does the concept art for the
movies for Spiderman. I don't know why he did it.
If anyone in the check you remember why. But this
is this concept art is from uh, I think it's
from NOA Home. But it's the guy that does the
concept art for the movies. Oh is there other sides?
Is there? Actually?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: There is? Okay, but that suit, like that's gonna that's
gonna sell some toys, that's gonna be on some posters
and whatnot. Like that's a good looking symbio, you know. So,
but yeah, do you think it's happening? Do you? Or
do you think like this club stuff is or the
Symbiosis posters nothing. Do you think the scorming actor posts
stuff on Instagram? He's just trying to get rides people,
so like other than the want the storyline wise, do
you think it's actually happening.
Speaker 2: I think it'll I think it'll happen. You're kind of
convincing me on it, you know, like it does make
sense so and I think Foggy wants to impress. So yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 1: Tay, I didn't believe me, but I hit him with
the h Isn't that right? Ha?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 1: There you go? When I when I, when you get
when we get that first teaser of Avengers Secret Wars
and we see Tom until we fighting. Oh my god,
you know because people love that In the first Avengers,
Iron Man cap and Thor fought right, people love that stuff.
So well, let's take under that break and then we'll
be right back with I don't know what's next, because
I think I know what's next. We'll figure that out.
Be right back