WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.919 Latest interview of Elon muss Tasmanian. 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:05.759 Hi, all right, great, and then we got galile A 3 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:07.799 Russell from hyper Change what out third Row? 4 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:10.960 And then we got Viv from Who's Falcon Heavy? 5 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:11.519 Hey? 6 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:14.720 Great? All right, Omar, do you want to introduce our guest. 7 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:18.839 Please welcome the inventor of the car fart, Elon miss. 8 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:23.320 Thank you, thank you. Please put that on my grapestone. 9 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.480 I love it so yeah. 10 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:30.480 It's kind of crazy that we're actually all here, and thank. 11 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:31.920 You so much for doing This're welcome. 12 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:35.280 We'll all test the customers, fans, and it's really good 13 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.039 that is finally happening. I remember that I was looking 14 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:41.159 at your Wikipedia tweet that it's like this bizarre fictionalized 15 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.240 version of reality, and I replied to him, wait, why 16 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:46.000 don't you come on a podcast and like tell your 17 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:47.600 fictionalize version of reality? 18 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:49.799 Sure, exactly, tell my. 19 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:56.119 Fictionalized and You're like, okay, sure, And I was kind 20 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:58.840 of like taken by surprise by that. And you know 21 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.079 the way you engage listen to your customers online, It's 22 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:04.879 like I've never seen anything like that from you know, 23 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.439 CEO of a public company or any executive. So can 24 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:10.120 you tell us a little bit where that came from. 25 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:12.120 Why you communicate directly instead. 26 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:13.599 Of like having this PR strategy that. 27 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:14.359 Most companies have. 28 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:22.079 Sure, well, I mean it started out. I actually had 29 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:25.000 one of the very very first Twitter accounts, like when 30 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:29.159 it was like less than ten thousand people, and then 31 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:31.000 everyone was tweeting at me like what kind of lat 32 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:34.920 they had it Starbucks, Like this seems like the silliest 33 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.239 thing ever. So I'd leaded my Twitter account and then 34 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:44.760 someone else took it over and started tweeting in my name. Yeah, 35 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:49.120 and then a couple of friends of mine, Wellie and 36 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.560 Jason Calcaana said they both said, hey, you should really 37 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.879 use Twitter to get your message out. And also some 38 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.280 somebody's tweeting in your name and they're crazy things. So 39 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:01.040 I'll crazy things in my name. 40 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.400 Did you have to pay them? No? 41 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.000 No, they they they I'm not sure who it was, 42 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:10.080 but it was for some reason. I got my account 43 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:14.919 back great, and and then it was just I don't 44 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:17.240 know some of you. It's like just sort of I 45 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:19.919 just started tweeting for fine really and my early tweets 46 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:20.719 are quite crazy. 47 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:21.360 Uh. 48 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:23.680 As I was trying to explain, like it has the 49 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:28.240 arc of insanity is short and that is not very 50 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:33.039 steep because it started off insane, and so if it's 51 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.599 still insane, it's you know, it hasn't changed that much. 52 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:43.159 So yeah, and I don't know, it seemed it seemed 53 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:47.120 kind of fun too, you know. Like I said before, 54 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:48.639 it's like, you know, some people use their hair to 55 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:49.360 express myself. 56 00:02:49.400 --> 00:03:00.159 I use Twitter. Why did you like Twitter? Some? I 57 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.599 mean you could use platforms, yeah, exactly. 58 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:11.599 Well, like I don't trust Facebook obviously, you know, and 59 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:17.560 and and then Instagram is fine, but it's i think, 60 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:25.400 not exactly my style. It's hard to convey sort of 61 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:29.000 intellectual arguments on Instagram. It's hot on Twitter too, but 62 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:34.840 it's but you can't, you know. It's so yeah, Instagram 63 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:42.479 is also owned by Facebooks, and I was like, yeah, yeah, deleted, yeah, yeah, 64 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.879 just deleted it to It's like I don't really need 65 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:47.919 to just if I need to say something, I only 66 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:50.360 really need to say it on one platform pretty much, 67 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:56.000 and so and so if I'm trying and I don't 68 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.840 spend too much time on social media, so it's just 69 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:01.319 like if people want to know what I'm saying, then 70 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.080 they can just sort of go to Twitter. You know, 71 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.879 let's keep doing that as long as Twitter is good, 72 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.039 I suppose more good than bad. 73 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:16.160 Yeah, cryptos cameras are really I understand that they've been 74 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.800 taken advantage of Vincent recently. I know really Yeah, there's 75 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:21.639 like ten Vincent's out there. 76 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:24.240 All right, but they totally they can copy everything and 77 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:25.800 just like changed one my. 78 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.720 Avadars and then the picture and then they just post 79 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:30.000 like right. 80 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:34.319 Below yeah your tweet. Yeah yeah wow yeah, and they 81 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.079 blocked me to We fight them all all the time. 82 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:40.519 We're always like reporting them, like every day we report 83 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:41.360 like ten people. 84 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.079 Yeah, yeah, I have so many like yeah, exactly, a 85 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.240 conversations of Twitter, like come on, can you just like 86 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.759 I think it would take like three or four customer 87 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:56.000 service people to just look look at this. It's cryptos 88 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.360 can block it, and it should be easy. 89 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.879 It should be easy. Like my wife Figan Shelley, I 90 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.240 think you'd like to tweet it. The other day she 91 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.839 got banned for like replying to one of your tweets 92 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:09.519 and quoting like the video inside of it, and then 93 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.120 she got suspended for like a day. 94 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:12.879 Or something, and I was like, what the heck is 95 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.120 going on? Yeah, So it's just weird how the algorithm works. 96 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.639 Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of manipulation. But you're going 97 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:21.360 back to the Wikipedia page. You know, it's kind of 98 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.639 interesting just what a decade you've had. I remember I 99 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:26.680 was reading somebody's article. I think they interviewed you in 100 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.759 two thousand and nine or something like that, and they said, 101 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:30.439 you know, if you had met Elon Musk in two 102 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.920 thousand and nine, right after the recession, they're like struggling 103 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.040 with the roadster. You know, you never would have thought 104 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.439 that you are where you are today. You're you know, 105 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:46.240 launching astronauts into space hopefull. Well yeah, this year, you know, 106 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.920 servicing the International Space Station, I mean Tesla with the 107 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:55.279 Model three, the model why you know, electrification really without Tesla, 108 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.160 it would not be where it is today. You see 109 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.000 where the other legacy automakers are, they're not doing great. 110 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:06.120 So you know, looking at kind of like this, like 111 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.680 you've become this legendary figure and looking at kind of 112 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:13.319 like how people kind of see you, kind of the 113 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.560 Ashley Vance biography or Wikipedia page, what is it that 114 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:18.959 really kind of sticks out to you or you know, 115 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.800 makes you laugh like that's just completely off base. 116 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:28.839 Yeah, well, I think I mentioned that that I kept 117 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.600 getting referred to as an investor in like the munch things, 118 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:36.000 and it's like, but I actually don't invest really except 119 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:39.879 in companies that I help create. So I only have 120 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.240 the only publicly traded share that I have at all 121 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.279 is Tesla. I have no diversity on publicly traded share 122 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:56.639 so and yeah, that's right, quite unusual. So, uh, you 123 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:03.319 know what's everyone diverse by agree? And then the only 124 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.319 stock that I have of significance outside of Tesla is 125 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:14.600 space X, which is privately private corporation. And and and 126 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:18.639 then in order to get liquidity, which is mostly to 127 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:23.199 reinvest in SpaceX and Tesla and occasionally in like uh, 128 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.319 provide funding for much more projects like your link and 129 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.160 boring company. Uh, then I'll actually take out loans against 130 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:36.600 the Tesla and space X stock. So the so what, 131 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:39.319 so what I actually have is is whatever my tail 132 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.959 list in space X stock is. And then there's about 133 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:48.079 a billion dollars of debt against that, so which you know, 134 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.079 it's it's that this is starts taking to imply that 135 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.639 I'm claiming that I have no money, which I'm not claiming, 136 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.800 but it's it's something to make it clear that you'll 137 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.240 see some like number some big number in like four 138 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.199 or something. People will think I have the tessent space 139 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.279 like stock, and I have the cash, and I'm being 140 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.160 somehow I'm just sitting on the cash doing nothing like 141 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.439 hoarding resources, and like, no, it's you know, the only 142 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:20.680 alternative would be to say, okay, let's give the stock 143 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:23.759 to the government or something, and then the government would 144 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:26.199 be running things, and that the government it just is 145 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:27.240 not good at running things. 146 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:28.160 That's the main thing. 147 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:33.559 But there's like a fundamental sort of quick question of 148 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:38.080 like consumption versus capital allocation. This is probably gonna get 149 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:44.360 me to travel, But the paradigm of say communism versus capitalism, 150 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:48.759 I think is fundamentally sort of orthogonal to the reality 151 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:56.960 of actual economics in in some ways. So what you 152 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.399 actually care about is like the responsiveness of the feedback 153 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:04.159 loops to the maximizing happiness of the population. And if 154 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:09.879 if more resources are controlled by entities that have poor 155 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.960 response in their feedback leaps. So if it's like a 156 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:17.720 monopoly corporation or a small oligopoly or in the limit, 157 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.480 I would take the monopolistic corporation in the limit is 158 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:26.279 the government. So you know, it's just it's it's this 159 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:27.799 is not to say people who work at the governor 160 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:29.639 a bad if if those same people are taking and 161 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.720 put in any better sort of operating system situation, that 162 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:38.840 outcome will be much better. So it's really just what 163 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:41.879 is the responsiveness of the organization to maximize in the 164 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:47.240 happiness of the people. And and so you want to 165 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:53.840 have a competitive situation where it's truly competitive, where companies 166 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:58.519 aren't gaining the system, and then where the rules are 167 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:02.080 set correctly, and then you need to be on the alert 168 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:07.360 for regulatory capture where the referees are in fact captured 169 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:10.879 by the players, which is, you know, and the players 170 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:14.480 should not control the referees essentially, which which can happen, 171 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:17.879 you know. I think like that happened, for example with 172 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:23.360 I think there's a emission vehicle mandate in California where 173 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:27.840 California was like really strict on EV's and then they 174 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.840 the car companies managed to sort of, frankly my view, 175 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:36.840 trick the regulators into into saying, Okay, you don't need 176 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.320 to be so hardcore about the EV's and instead you say, say, 177 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:42.799 fuel sales of the future, but fuel sales of of 178 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:44.399 course many years away, so. 179 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.720 Forever this is so then, so that's something that they 180 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:51.639 let up the rules. 181 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:54.200 And then you know, GM recalled the e V one 182 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.080 and crushed them in a junk yard, which is against 183 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:58.840 the wishes the owner. 184 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:00.799 They all lined up to buy them, and they wouldn't 185 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:01.399 let them buy that. 186 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:03.879 I mean, Chris Paine did this great documentary on it, 187 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.559 and it's like the you know, the owners of the 188 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.759 the ev one, which why there wasn't actually that great 189 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.759 of a car, but they still wanted the electric car 190 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:14.960 so bad that they held a candle vigil at the 191 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.519 junkyard where their cars were crushed. Like it like it 192 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:20.960 was like a like a prisoner being executed or something 193 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.480 like that. That was literally like when is the last time 194 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:26.600 you even heard of that for a product? 195 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:27.039 Right? 196 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.960 You know, GM is stops the product. I mean what 197 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.440 I mean, listen, man, They're not doing that for any 198 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:41.559 other GM product. You thought, I'm doing the evo. It's 199 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.399 kind of time times hard to get through these guys, 200 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:47.240 you know. So anyway, I think that's a very important thing. 201 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:52.320 So generally, where you could see like these oligopolies forming 202 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:58.240 or duopolies and then they get effective of price fixing 203 00:11:58.440 --> 00:11:59.799 and then they cut back in the R and D. 204 00:11:59.879 --> 00:12:03.679 But Fudgret like kind of a silly one. Frankly, it's 205 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:06.440 like like candy, like there's a there's a candy oligopoly, 206 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.440 and it's like when's the We don't see much innovation 207 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:11.639 in candy, so. 208 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.759 You're still working on the candy company Still candy? 209 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:15.440 Is that boring candy? 210 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:17.480 Boring candy? He's gonna be boring. 211 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:21.399 I haven't seen a candy yet that's good enough to 212 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:25.240 send out. But and it's yeah, but I think I 213 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:30.159 think it it's it's there's there's like three companies or 214 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.919 something that control the candy in the world pretty much. 215 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:38.600 It's crazy and dog food, Yeah, there's somebody constructed like this. 216 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.320 It's this crazy conglomerate and and it's like and it's 217 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.440 like dog food and baby food and candy, and it's 218 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:47.960 like all you know. 219 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:50.799 Rendering, Yeah, hundreds of brands. 220 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:52.960 Yeah, you think you're buying from different companies, but it 221 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:55.679 all funnels up to like three companies or something like that. 222 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.399 Don't send the rendering food to the candy company. 223 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.200 Yeah, a big candy. 224 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:06.759 So you want to have like a good competitive forcing 225 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:09.480 functions so that you have to make the product better. 226 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:11.000 Or you'll lose. 227 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:12.879 Like, if you don't make the product better and and 228 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:16.360 and improve the product for the end consumer, then then 229 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.879 that company should have relatively less prosperity comparative company it 230 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:23.840 makes better products. Now, the car industry you know, is 231 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:32.360 actually pretty competitive, so that's good. And then the good 232 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:34.759 thing about it competitive company industry, then if if you 233 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.360 make a product that's better, it's going to do better 234 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:38.759 in the marketplace, definitely. 235 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.720 So this is Gene Wilders Whole House. 236 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.960 Yeah, that's amazing, it's lovely. Thanks for having us here 237 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:47.279 as well. Thanks you really special. 238 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:48.879 Yeah, it's a good it's a cool spot and it's 239 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:50.000 got a soldo glass roof. 240 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:53.120 Yeah, portion too, right, we didn't notice it, but you 241 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:54.720 checked it out the second time. 242 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.879 I'm waiting for my three. So I'm waiting for a 243 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:57.399 version three. 244 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:58.879 Well, whatever is they're going to put on, I don't 245 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.600 care human motions, right, yeah, looking forward to it. 246 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.720 Yeah, we saw it at the store in Torrents. Actually 247 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.519 they've got in the stores now. It looks really good. 248 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:11.039 Well that it's actually design such that you don't notice it. 249 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:14.000 So he's like this, look it's old. 250 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.440 This is like it's an old house, I know, probably 251 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.120 fifty years old something like that, and it's quite quirky. 252 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:21.360 So if you put something on that was like it 253 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.919 didn't blend in that it would it would not look right. 254 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:29.320 It would be pretty straightent. And this had a black 255 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:30.320 comp shingle roof. 256 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:32.519 So I was like, Okay, let's see if we can 257 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:36.559 actually have it weave in and still feel natural, look good. 258 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:40.120 And yeah, and I think it's it's sort of achieved 259 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:44.120 that goal. But yeah, this is a lovely quirky little house. 260 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.279 I'll show you around afterwards. It's got all those of 261 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:46.759 weird things. 262 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.679 It's exactly what is it, Francloyd right now? I don't 263 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:51.039 think so. 264 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:55.879 I think it was just built in increments over time 265 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:02.519 by probably several people, but that they would have just 266 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:04.399 knocked it down and built a giant house here. 267 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.759 So it's like, so glad I didn't. Yeah, it's super cool. 268 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:10.639 Really So gene Wild is one of my favorite actorms actually, 269 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:11.840 so it's great. 270 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:12.879 What was some movies? 271 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:17.240 So, so when you come up with a product like 272 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.519 the solar glass roof, I think a lot of people 273 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:21.960 misunderstand that, like your goal is to bring these crazy 274 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.759 technologies to market and really create a change in the world, 275 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:26.720 and so I think it's fascinating that you do it 276 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.080 through companies, and it seems like the fastest way to 277 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.679 create that feedback loop and to really like get go 278 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:34.720 from inventing something to millions of people using it right away. Yes, 279 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.639 so like like it seems like buying a Tesla is 280 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.200 almost like the best thing you could do to help 281 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.639 the climate crisis because you're like turbo charging, R and 282 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.519 D and products and innovation. I feel like not enough 283 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:45.799 people really understand that. 284 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.639 Yeah, that is I think there's lots of good things 285 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.440 people can do for the climate, but just generally anything 286 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:59.960 that is moving towards sustainable energy, whether it's sustainable. 287 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:07.279 Energy, create generation through solar or with an electric vehicle. 288 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.039 Actually just think just things like better installation in a 289 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:18.080 house just is just really effective for energy consumption. But 290 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:23.559 but fun is more fun, it's ingratiating. That's mom on 291 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:29.080 the motion. I actually got him a little folloween, a 292 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:34.799 little mistage mob in the Martian, you know, the helmet 293 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.120 with it looks super cute. 294 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:38.360 You got enough funny. 295 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.159 So did you always know, like you know, business was 296 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.360 the way you wanted to kind of attract attack these 297 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.879 problems versus say, you know, maybe a nonprofit or you know, 298 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.840 working as a college professor or something. I don't know. 299 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:55.559 Uh, well, when I was in in high school, I 300 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.679 thought I would most likely be doing physics at a 301 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:03.240 particle accelerator. So that's what I was if physics and computers. 302 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.440 I mean, I got distinctions in two areas in physics 303 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.640 and computer science and those who are yeah, some of 304 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.359 my two best subjects. And and then I thought, okay, 305 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:14.240 well that I want to want to figure out what's 306 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.160 the nature of the universe, and so you know, go 307 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:22.119 try to working with people banging particles together and see 308 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:27.759 what happens. And and then these sort of things went along, 309 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:31.240 and the superconducting super collider got canceled in the US, 310 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:34.960 and that actually I was like, whoa, you know what 311 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:38.400 if I was working at a collider, I spent all 312 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.039 these years and then the gunment just canceled it. Wow, 313 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:43.359 and then that would I was like, I'm not going 314 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:50.880 to do that. So so it's like, well we roll 315 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:55.359 it back a little, like I was trying to forget 316 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.160 what when I was had like this existential crisis and 317 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:00.880 I was about twelve years old or something, and and 318 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:03.960 I was like, well, what does the world mean, what's 319 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:04.559 it all about? 320 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.079 We're living some meaningless existence. And then. 321 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:14.000 I made the mistake of reading Nieture Inchoprenur and and. 322 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:19.839 I'm like, well, don't do that. Not a be a 323 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.599 little older. And actually lately these days are s rear it. 324 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.160 It's like, you know, it's actually he's not that bad. 325 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.160 He's got issues, got issues. I have a question about it, 326 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.480 but you know, it's so. 327 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.640 But there are the hitchbacks, guys to the galaxy Douglas Adams, 328 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:39.640 which was which is like quite really, quite a good 329 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:43.000 book in philosophy, I think, And I was like, Okay, 330 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.279 we don't really know what the answer is obviously, so 331 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.279 but the universe, the universe is the answer, and that really, 332 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.680 what are the questions we should be asking to better 333 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.279 understand the nature of the universe? And so then to 334 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.799 the degree that we expand the scope and scale of consciousness, 335 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.440 then we'll better be able to answer the ask the 336 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:08.079 questions and understand the why we're here or. 337 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:09.000 What it's all about. 338 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:11.640 And so we should sort of take the set of 339 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.200 actions that are most likely to result in its understanding. 340 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:17.799 What questions to ask about the nature of the universe. 341 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:24.440 So that so therefore, we must propagate human civilization on 342 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:27.119 Earth as far into the future as possible and become 343 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:31.240 a multiplanet species to gain extend the scope and scale 344 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:38.400 of consciousness and increase the problem lifespan of consciousness, which 345 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:40.559 is going to be I think probably a lot of 346 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:42.039 machine consciousness as well. 347 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:42.519 In the future. 348 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.119 And that's the best we can do it, basically, you know, 349 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:54.559 And yeah, that's the best we can do. So, you know, 350 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.759 and think about the various problems that we're facing or 351 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:02.519 what would most likely change the future. The when they 352 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.960 were in college, there were five things that I thought 353 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:09.400 would be I thought these were actually I would not 354 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:12.160 regard this as a profound insight, but rather an obvious one, 355 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:17.839 that the Internet would fundamentally change humanity because it's it's 356 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.720 like a humanity would become more of a super organism 357 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.440 because the Internet is like the nerves, like the nervous system. 358 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:30.079 Now suddenly any part of the human human human organisms 359 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.839 anywhere would have access to all the information instantly. You 360 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:37.079 were like, hey, well, I can imagine if you if 361 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.359 you didn't have a nervous system, you wouldn't know what's 362 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:41.279 going on your fingers wouldn't know what's going on. Your 363 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:43.440 total knows what's going on. You'd have to do it 364 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.519 by diffusion. And yeah, and the way information used to 365 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.839 work was really by diffusion. One human would have to 366 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.519 call another human or to write them. Yes, like if 367 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.599 it was a letter you would have to write. You'd 368 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.480 have to have that letter to another human. That would 369 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:01.559 be carried through a bunch of things and finding another 370 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:05.079 person would give it to you inefficiently, extremely slow diffusion. 371 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.119 And if you wanted access to books, if you're not 372 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.400 did not have a library, you're not, you don't have it. 373 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:16.119 That's okay. So now you have access to all the 374 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:16.880 books instantly. 375 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:24.000 And if you can be in a remote like you know, mountaintop, 376 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:27.400 jungle location or something and have access to all of 377 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:29.359 humanity information, if you've got a link to the internet, 378 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.880 this is a fundamental, profound change. So that's one thing. 379 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:38.599 I was on the Internet early because of you know, 380 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.960 the physics community. That was pretty normal, although it was 381 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.799 interface was you know, almost entirely text and hard to use. 382 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:54.160 But that another one be obviously making life multiplanetary, making 383 00:21:54.160 --> 00:22:04.279 consciousness multiplanetary, the change human genetics, which obviously I'm not 384 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:09.200 doing By the way, there's a thorny subject, but it 385 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:11.599 is being done with Crisper and others. You know, it 386 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:14.960 would it will, it will become normal to I think, 387 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.279 to change the human geno. It will become normal. 388 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:20.960 Like what's the opportunity, Like why is that something that's inevitable. 389 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:24.640 Or well, you know, I think for for sure, as 390 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:28.359 far as say getting rid of diseases or propensity to 391 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:32.400 various diseases, then that's gonna be like the first thing 392 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.720 that you'd want to edit out, you know. So it's like, 393 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:38.039 if you've got like your you know, a situation where 394 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:40.279 you're definitely gonna die of some kind of cancer at 395 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.160 age fifty five, I prefer to have that edit it out. 396 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.240 Yeah, definitely, So I think, you know, edit that out. 397 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:50.640 You know, there's the Gatacus sort of extreme thing where 398 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.640 it's not really edited out, but it's like it's edited 399 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.640 in for various enhancements and that kind of thing, which 400 00:22:57.680 --> 00:22:58.559 probably will come too. 401 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:01.319