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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend that has seen Archer better

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bv make history as the new undisputed light heavyweight champion

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of the World via a decision over Dmitri Vvol. We're

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ready to recap that the entire read season card, fights

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in Japan, news, nostalgia, and much more. It is the

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Fight Freaks Unite Recap podcast. I am the somewhat competent,

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we come your way previewing, going into the weekend, recapping

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coming off the weekend. Full disclosure, I've been in New Orleans,

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Louisiana after Hurricane Milton Big Dan have gone there and

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have now come back after a wild buccaneer win on

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Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: But we got a post.

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Speaker 1: We got to be here for what happened with this

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showdown that we've been waiting for the better part of

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two plus years for Better BV and b Bull, maybe

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even longer it has happened. Better BV is one. We've

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got all kinds of insight from you. By the way,

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Dan is ready to go swinging at I mean, two

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handed Barry Bond style to the upper deck on de zone.

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Speaker 2: Stand by for that.

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Speaker 1: But first the fight, my friend, how are you off

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the weekend? And there certainly was a lot to talk

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about from this read season card.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no doubt about it. I mean, a big fight,

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a big, huge win for Better BV. I didn't expect

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it to be the fight of the year, even though

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it was, as I've said numerous times, the best fight

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on the schedule for the year so far, because of

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the contrasting styles and the stakes and the fact that

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you know, you mentioned that they we've been looking forward

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to this fight for you know, maybe two whatever, it's

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been two or three years. The reality is both of

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these fighters won their titles, you know, within a few

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months of each other in twenty seventeen. They've held their

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titles for seven years, and they're the last men standing

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among a group of you know, pretty solid light heavyweight contenders,

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and they have beaten everybody basically, you know, one by

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one they've got you know, like even common opponent like

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a Joe Smith for example, and so it's about time

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to fight. Happened it was able to be made because

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the Saudi's and Turkey al Chic put up a huge

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amount of money ten million dollars apiece for these guys

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to get in the ring and do the business. And

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now look, both guys, I feel like they elevated themselves.

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And that's what I always want to see in a

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big time fight is whatever that result is, whoever wins,

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whoever loses, that both fighters come out bigger and better

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and more well known and all that. And I know

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probably stings quite a bit for Beevoll having lost the

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way that he did such a close fight, but you

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know it's going to make his name even bigger. He's

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nothing to be ashamed of. But in terms of better

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be it, we got to start with the winner and

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we'll get to the controversy the scoring in just a minute.

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This is a man who is if there's an and

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I don't even know he looks at it as a negative.

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I mean, but some people might. It's the first time

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in his professional career he went the distance. He was

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twenty and oh with twenty knockouts coming in. Now he's

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twenty one and oh with twenty because Beevoll stood up

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to the power for twelve four rounds and he went

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the route. But he made the point in the post fight,

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both in the ring. I don't know was in the ring,

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but I watched post postfight press conference. He was kind

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of funny, but he goes. You look, even Mohamad Ali,

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the greatest boxer of all time, you know, went to

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distance and fights, so you know, he wasn't really disappointed.

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It didn't seem to go to twelve rounds, but he

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didn't love his performance. He was critical of himself, but look,

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he he won a close fight. I've seen a lot

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of people talk about the controversy, but in terms of

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his career, this is a historical situation because he unifies

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the four titles. He wins the WBA belt, which is

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the one that was missing from the collection. He's already

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had the other three, plus he's been the lineal champion already,

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first ever four belt light heavyweight champion since four belts

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became a thing, first undisputed in the division. I think

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this is even a bigger deal since back in the

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days when Roy Jones did in nineteen ninety nine, in

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the three belt era, when you needed the three to

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become undisputed. Some people confuse the four belt era, quote

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unquote as since the WBO existed, but that's not really

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the way most people view it, because yeah, they existed

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for a long time at the same time that you

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needed three belts by public acclamation to be undisputed, and

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while the WBO existed, nobody considered it necessary to have

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to be called undisputed. So that's a little bit of

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a you know, a caveat there. But nonetheless, Roy Jones

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had the three twenty five years ago, so better BM

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does something that hadn't been done in the weight less

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than twenty five years. He also, by the way, since

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there became like two belts in the sixties in the

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weight class. At one seventy five, he's only the seventh

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guy to become the undisputed champion. I mean, there's been

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a lot of top light heavyways through the years, but

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no one's been able to do what he was able

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to do. But other than just a select few Michael

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Spinks for example, you know, we can name you guys

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Roy Jones, Bob Fosster and so on, and you know,

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he fought a very intelligent fight. He was you know,

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he was pressured him. He showed a good chin, he

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worked a body to some degree. His jab was very stiff,

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and when he got in a situation where he might

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have be losing some rounds because Bivol was such an

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outstanding uh boxer, mover, jabber, you know, high high guard

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and didn't get hit with too much clean stuff, he

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never really like let it get to him. He never

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including like the Canelo fight. I feel like he was

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able to frustrate the opponent. I never got the feeling

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that even though better bv may have known, hey, you

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know what I mean, I got to get to this guy,

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never really sensed anyway at least watching frustration from him.

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And in the end, you know, people are gonna have

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their opinions about it. One judge had at one sixteen

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to one twelve that Peiwell Cardini from Poland that's the

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one that draws the ire from a lot of people.

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Glenn Feldman, who's been an excellent judge for a long

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long time, that at one fifteen, one thirteen for Demita

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for better bv and Emanuel Oliver Palomo had at one

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fourteen to one fourteen. I scored the fight a draw,

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but I was a couple of very specific rounds that

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I felt were like really big time swing rounds that

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could have gone either way. So absolutely, I can see

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why a lot of people feel like Bivol was the winner.

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I can certainly see why better Be it was a winner.

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I was texting with people in the business whose opinions

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I greatly respect, and I think three or four different

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people who are in the business who I've known for

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a long time, We're all in agreement. These are separate,

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like the decision either five either way or a draw,

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and that's really what it is. So the iro that

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the one sixteen one twelve card from Cardini, which may

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not be great, is a red herring. So when somebody

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like Eddie Hearn goes off and calls that fight a

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robbery because of that score, if what if he had

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had it one fifteen, one thirteen and changed one round,

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your man still loses on a majority decision. So to me,

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that's not I mean, yeah, if you don't love to

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see that score, but there's a lot of close rounds. Man.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So what I thought in watching the fight,

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and again I'm in New Orleans watching the fight. I

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fought Beevil Bank several early rounds. Did you think just

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while we go back and what did you think he

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several rounds of the rounds that he was winning on

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your six sixth card that Yeah, I mean, I think

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I was the.

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Speaker 2: First half of the fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I the one early round I gave

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to better BV and I can't remember. I think it

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was the third round, but there were some close ones.

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But yeah, certainly in the early the early going, Bevo

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box really well. And it was after maybe like round

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five or so where better BF finished around I think

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it was round five. He finished with a really good flurry,

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landed some very solid shots, and uh really at that

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point started to pick things up. Because the thing about

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better BF, even though he's got a tremendous knockout record,

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he's got obviously, you know, any fighter who starts off

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the way he did, you're gonna have some early knockouts.

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But a lot of the fights that he's done over

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the last few years, it's taken a few rounds to

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warm up Joe Smith decide that was a secon round knockout.

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But other fights, you know, he's gone into the tenth, eleventh,

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he's gone into the seventh, eighth rounds and against guys

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you know, uh Callum Smith and Anthony Yard and guys

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like that who are good, solid contenders. Also, he's not

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going in there and just rolling them over in one round.

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And Bibol's got such pedigree and such skills that it

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didn't surprise me that the fight was going to go

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deep in the match.

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Speaker 1: So in the seventh round is the round where Bevill

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was really backing Better BV up some and maybe even

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stunned him a little bit with a couple of punches

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and the crowd was on its feet, et cetera. But

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I really think after that Better BV came forward and

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that's where I think here comes the rub on how

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he won the decision. He was winning eighth round, ninth round,

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tenth round, and the eleventh round was a really good

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round for him. I mean, there were no knockdowns, nobody

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was significantly hurt, but he backed up Bevol and I

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thought may have stunned him. I really thought the back

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four or five rounds that's where he won the fight.

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought a question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the reality. If you take a look

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at the official score cards, you know, which were all,

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you know, fairly close. I mean, I know the one

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judge had eight rounds before. But if you look at

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the way they scored the rounds, the way that they

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got to the scores that they did, was that going

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into the tenth round, better bee of his down on

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two score cards. Now, the one scorecard that he won,

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he was already gonna win anyway because he was already

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pretty well ahead. But on the other two cards, he's

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down on the two score cards, and he wins all

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the last three rounds ten, eleven, and twelve. He wins

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on all three cards. So he goes from down on

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two to a draw on one and a lady you know,

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leading on the wider one, and takes the lead on

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the one that was close on the Feldman card. So

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bie Ball gets off to the big start relatively speaking,

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And that's how he pulls out the fight. So to me,

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and we talked about this a million times, what you

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do in round one and what you do in round

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twelve is worth the same in terms of the mask.

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Maybe it's not like that in somebody's mind, but you know,

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Bieball was certainly in the lead. And we've seen plenty

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of fights that are the opposite, where a guy might

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start out quick and another guy, you know, maybe fades,

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but he's already banked those rounds. So my point here

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is that Beeble may have banked in those early rounds,

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but it wasn't enough. So a lot of people thought

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maybe he's going to win the fight, but he didn't

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finish drunk.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting when you point that out, and we'll

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just reemphasize it one more time. The judge that had

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the fight a draw, you're saying, had six to three

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Bevil and then gave better b of the last three

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rounds to make it six six correct. And then Glenn

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Feldman had Bevil ahead until the final three rounds and

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that gave a better be of a two point win.

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Speaker 3: Wow. So I mean I'm looking. I'm looking at the

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official card because I in my substack when I wrote

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my story, I posted a photo of the cards like

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I always do. If people are interested to see that,

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they can certainly do that. So Cardini had the fight

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sixteen to twelve. So I'm talking about after round number nine,

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because again better be got all the last three rounds

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on all three cards. So after round number nine, yep,

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on the Cardini card, he was already ahead eighty six

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eighty five. That's what just continued to extend his lead.

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Speaker 1: Well, what I'm saying is better Beev had to win

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last three rounds on the judges card that scored it

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a draw to make it a draw. And if Feldman

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had given bevol one of the last three rounds, then

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the fights a draw.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so Feldman Felton had to fight. He had

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Beville eighty seven eighty four going into round ten. Wow,

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and now he gives a better b of the last three.

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So now he's down ninety six ninety four after ten,

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he's down one oh five, one oh four after eleven.

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This is the Palomo card by bad and then he

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gives them the ten the twelve round and gets him

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to fourteen fourteen on the Feldman card. Going into round ten,

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he's got Bevoll down eighty six eighty five. He gives

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them the tenth round that scores it an even fight,

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ninety five ninety five. He gives them the eleventh round,

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that makes it one oh five, one oh four, and

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he gives them round twelve, which makes it one fifteen

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to one thirteen. And that is uh what you call

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closing strong making your point known to the judges. Now,

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I must say in the twelfth round, where Beevill finished

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really strong the last thirty seconds, hm, maybe I was

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wrong about this, and I did go back and watch it,

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and I don't do this often, but I got a

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lot of grief about it. I gave that round in

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the twelfth to Beevill.

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Speaker 1: I thought he won the twelfth round too, so it

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surprises me that none of the judges did right.

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Speaker 3: So that was based largely on that big, big finish,

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even though yes, Beeble had done much better in the

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first couple of minutes. But I get the point that

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he was better longer in the round, and maybe I

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was swayed inappropriately, I guess by what Beevoll did in

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those last you know, thirty seconds. So that's how I

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ended up having to fight a draw because I gave

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Bevoe the last round of the fight. But if you

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tell me the better, bev won that last round, and

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you therefore you have him winning the fight. I have

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no problem with that. Like I said, the sixteen twelve

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is not a great card. But the righteous indignation of

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Eddie Hearn and others and again, and I'm not trying

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to rip on Eddie love that and Vedie and Scornelove,

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who is the evil manager who have always had a

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very good, pleasant relationship with for many, many years, almost

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twenty years, go back to the days of when he

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was managing Ruslan pra Vadenniakov. I have nothing but respect

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for him. I feel like that Iyre is misplaced because

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it wasn't going to change anything even if he gets

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the quote unquote right card, which is to maybe have

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it seven to five or perhaps even a draw. So

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but the bottom line is there's probably gonna be a rematch.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was leading to. I was going, right there,

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Do we need to see this again?

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Speaker 2: In your mind? Do we need to see it again?

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Speaker 3: I don't think we need to, but I think it's

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going to happen. I'm not opposed to it. What I

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like about the fact if there is a rematch is

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it's not being forced on anybody. There was no rematch

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clause in the contracts. It was you know, winner can

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move on. But I think because of the fact that

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Turkey al Chic, who said in some comments after the

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fight that he thought that Bevo won PI two rounds,

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even though he has a relationship with both of the fighters,

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that he's going to be and he said, we must

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see this again. So when he goes to the teams

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and puts the big bag of cash on the table,

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pretty sure you can bank on the fact that we're

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going to see it. Right now. What happens with the belts,

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you know, whether the organizations will all go along with that.

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There's obviously mandatories backed up. But the good thing about

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that is that in the WBA and the WBC, their

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mandatories are not going to be a problem because their

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guys are fighting each other in morel and Benevitez and

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Joshua Batzi is the other the WBO mandatory as the

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interim champion and so therefore he's also in his promoter

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has been doing events with these fights, with these fights

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in Saudi Arabia also, so maybe they can get rid

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of that. In terms of the IBF, they're always the

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ones that like to dick around. I'm not really sure

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what the status of their mandatory is at the moment,

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but the point is mandatories undisputed or not, a titles loss,

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a vacated strip, whatever the case may be. I believe

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that this fight will probably happen again because Turkey wants it.

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Whether you and I agree with it, there is in

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the minds of a lot of people unfinished business controversy

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because of the scoring and all. A lot of people

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thought that Bibol was the rightful winner. And you know,

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we'll see. I'll be happy to see the fight again.

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It was a classy fight, a high level, high skill level.

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I think that the boxing skills that better BF showed

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were are still underappreciated and underrated to a degree. Even

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if he didn't land the big bomb. And you know,

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Bivol box a very very solid, good fight. And the

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funny thing about it was his eye was all busted up,

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and he was talking about after the fight. It wasn't

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because he got hit with a clean shot from better BF,

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but he had a high guard and better BF kept

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hitting him in the gloves and kept forcing his own

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glove into his face. He basically is the one that

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gave himself the swelling yeah, because his own glove was

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punching himself in the face.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Both guys were tough. No nobody seriously hurt, nobody knocked down.

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Interesting that Bevoll lasted the distance, but he didn't get

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the decision this time.

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Speaker 2: So you gave us.

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Speaker 1: He gave us a great accounting and a great recap.

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And maybe we will see this again, all right.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, and Raphael cashed on the plus,

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well you.

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Speaker 1: Did, you had better BF. I had b vol on

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the bet Us Show. Did I get anything right on

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the beat Us Show?

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Speaker 3: A couple of things.

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Speaker 1: I think I got my name right post post Hurricane Milton.

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I think I got my name right and the name

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of the show right. But we'll get into that here

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in just a second.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: There's the undisputed and you laid it out. That's the

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first four belt undisputed light heavyweight champion ever history made.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Now on the undercard, I've got to confess to you.

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Because of the travels situation getting to New Orleans, et cetera,

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I was not really able to see a lot.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a highlight.

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Speaker 1: I've read your substact. So Jio Patiah defended his the

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coatre fight. I was looking forward to trying to get

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in the hotel and see Fabio Wardley and Fraser Clark

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and see that fight and it's over in one round,

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which shocked me.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So those were the two most prominent ones there on

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the on the main card. Give me, give me thoughts.

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The wordly fight. What did it last? Did it last

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two minutes?

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Speaker 3: It lasted two minutes and twenty eight seconds, okay, And

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the hype on the rematch was pretty significant because it

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was a tremendous first fight back in March when they

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battled it out in a extraordinarily outstanding fight, fight of

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the AAR type contender, a fight that was a draw,

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and like not a draw where people were you know,

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claiming controversy or a robbery or this or that, but

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a bonom fid fight.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So seven months ago they do that, just an outstanding

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match and a big, big event in in in London

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March thirty first, and now they make the rematch that

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was talked about from the moment the first fight ended.

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Everybody's expecting another, you know, excellent fight, another close contest,

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and for like the first maybe minute, let's say, of

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the fight, you know they're feeling each other out. They

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both land a couple of shots. You're like, okay, this

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is going to settle into a good fight, and you

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know we're going to see something you know, similar I

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guess to what we saw a few months ago. Then

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Fabio Wardley, who I said in the pre fight, in

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my opinion anyway, was the more skilled fighter and maybe

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the more versatile fighter. Let's say, you know, he heard,

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he heard them, and in heavyweight boxing it only takes

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to one shot. He hit him with a good, solid

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right hand and that was sort of like the beginning

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of the end. Now, Fraser Clark came back with an

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uppercut that landed, but Wordley just shook it off, didn't

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even budge really, and then he's got him in the

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like on the rope, slashed in the corner, and he

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just lands like unloads the punches. Two three punches, a

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massive fucking shots ended up breaking Fraser Clark's not his job,

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but his cheekbone. He had to go to the hospital

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after that. But the right hands, it was like the

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last three punches were a left hand that he got in,

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two more right hands that were basically like pulverizing type

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of shots, and Fraser Clark has like stood up in

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the corner and then sinks down and his eyes roll

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up in his head. Now, to his credit, he's you know,

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he's a brave guy at a big heart. He tried

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to get up but could not beat that count, and

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obviously he was not gonna be able to continue. They waved

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it off, and that was a shocker because you know,

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even if you expected a knockout, I mean there was

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there was a knockdown in the first fight, but he

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got off the deck. But this was just a real

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it was a huge win for Wardley, and you know,

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certainly a shocker I think, uh again, not that Wardley

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was the winner, but that he did it in the

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in the in the devastating manner that he did because

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and quickly, yeah, like two minutes. I mean again, he

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had him down in round five in the first fight,

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but he kept him down, you know, basically in this rematch,

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and uh, you know, that really is a big win

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for Fabio Wardley. You know, he gets to now put

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himself in position I don't I can't tell you what

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his next move is going to be, but you know

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he's gonna get another big fight. He's he had signed

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with Frank Warren not too long, you know. He signed

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with Frank in between the time that he had got

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the draw in the first fight and the time that

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they made this rematch. Uh. And Frank Warren, you know,

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obviously is closely affiliated with the Riad Seasons folks. He

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is the promoter for all their shows. And he's got

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his own good quality heavyweight stable and we're going to

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see him in a big fight. He retains the British

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heavyweight title, retains the Commonwealth heavyweight title, and h he's

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a very appealing fighters. Got kind of I find him

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to be a when I listened to his interviews, I

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see him as got like a little bit of a

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quirky personality, which is I kind of like, and you know,

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he's going to be in some good fights, you know.

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And he's he's a little bit older as was Fraser

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Clark in terms of where he is in his career

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in terms of the experience level, but he's he's a

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guy that came from nowhere with the amateurs into the

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basically learning on the job. He's now eighteen oh to

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one with seventeen knockouts, so he's showing punching Power's got

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the draw with Clark obviously, and he's got you know,

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he made a name for himself on a read card

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last October on the on the Tyson Fury the Guy

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New card where he's knocked out the undefeated David Adelier,

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which at that time was supposed to be like this

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crossroad just type fight between two unbeaten Brits that had

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never really taken a step up, and he got that

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job done. You know, look good despite the draw against

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Clark in the rematch, I mean in the first fight

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rather than just pummels him, blows him out in the

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second fight. So you know, we're gonna see more of

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a Worldly I believe in some good fights.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, he shout out to my guy

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David Payne, the boxing writer who often reference and we've

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had him on the pod and love his work, and

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he said, hey, I'm leaning in a little bit on

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Fabio Worldly after seeing this performance after the draw.

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Speaker 2: So for what it's worth, there you go.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Opataiah, what did you think it's a TKO?

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Speaker 2: What did you think I got it?

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00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 3: He thought, as as as good of a fight as

477
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,640
you can fight. And the thing about it is, Massy,

478
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,799
I think is a pretty good fighter. He had a

479
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,559
seemed to me like he had a good plan of

480
00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:25,960
what he wanted to do. Uh, but he just couldn't

481
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,839
get anything going offensively. And Opataiya is not a guy

482
00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:31,000
to mess around with offensively because he's an excellent puncher

483
00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:33,920
and when he gets going downhill, so to speak, he's

484
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,839
a very hard guy to deal with. And you know,

485
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,759
he was just bigger, stronger, faster, you know, like the

486
00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:42,039
six million dollar man, as they say, and I'm dating

487
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:43,240
myself to the nineteen seventies.

488
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that we would get a lee major

489
00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:47,880
six million dollar man reference, but I'm all about it, brother, and.

490
00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: I he did that was like my favorite show and

491
00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:50,200
I love it.

492
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 2: We can't rebuild we can rebuild him.

493
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: And then he was bionic, and so Pataya was not

494
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:56,000
necessarily bionic, but he was good.

495
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: Huh.

496
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And listen, Opataia is a very very good fighter.

497
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,119
He's twenty six and zero now twenty knockouts. He's got

498
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,759
good power, he's in good condition. He's a south paw,

499
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:06,519
which is never easy for guys to deal with. And

500
00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:08,599
like I said, Massy not a terrible fighter by any

501
00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:10,880
means at all, but he just could not deal with

502
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,400
the pressure with the power, and he just broke him down.

503
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,160
And it was you know, I'm sure that when he

504
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,000
and his training team look at the video and they

505
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,799
look at it, they'll find little things that they feel

506
00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:22,759
like they can do better on. But from my perspective,

507
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,559
as not a trainer, but you know, just a guy

508
00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:26,000
that watches a ton of fights, and I've been doing

509
00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:28,200
so for a long long time, I thought that's about

510
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,079
as flawless up performance as you could get. I mean,

511
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,519
there was no real nothing that you would look at

512
00:22:32,519 --> 00:22:33,640
and say, oh my god, you know, he should have

513
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,119
done this better. He was good with his feet out

514
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,920
of his hands. You know, he was in good shape.

515
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,759
Like I said, the power was there, he didn't get

516
00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:41,680
hit with a lot of stuff coming back. And the

517
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,839
thing about it is it's a win for arm He

518
00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:46,240
retains the title. He's obviously been fighting on his read cards,

519
00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:49,720
and now with this out of the way, he's going

520
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:51,920
to look forward to the fight that comes up November sixteenth,

521
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,079
another fight in Riad when Golden Boy does their Latin

522
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,440
Night in Riad, which is headlined by Gilberto Ramirez, who

523
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,359
was the WBA Scruiserweight champ in in a unification fight

524
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,480
with the British WBO title holder Chris Billin Smith, and

525
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,759
it was clearly stated that the winner of that fight,

526
00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:10,960
who's going to have two titles a read season in Turkey,

527
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,480
are going to look to make the match between the

528
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:17,119
winner of that bout and Jai Opataiah you know, next

529
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,079
year and when they come back after you know, in

530
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,720
other words, Opataiah fought on Saturday, the unification takes place

531
00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:26,319
in a month, and then when the when the when

532
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:28,599
Opatai and the winner of that fight are ready to

533
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,279
do their first fight of twenty twenty five figure in

534
00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:34,440
the springtime, they're going to make that match and that'll

535
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,400
be a unification for three of the belts. And that's

536
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:40,559
I mean, whoever it is. If it's Zerdo against Opataiah,

537
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,880
that's a good fight. If it's Billin Smith against Opatiyah,

538
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,240
that's a good fight. We got to see what happens

539
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,640
in the unification. But when you can get unifications going,

540
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:50,079
and the guys who are in those unifications are pretty

541
00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:52,920
interesting fighters to watch, you know, the boxing becomes a

542
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,119
much healthier sports. So you know, they're all in to

543
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,119
do this, and Turkey, you know, is going to put

544
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,680
up the money and they're going to make these matches.

545
00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:03,400
So that's that's uh, that's a very interesting matchup. I mean,

546
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:05,640
cruiserweights have always been sort of like the redheaded step

547
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,920
child for some reason, but they a lot of times

548
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,000
have made over the years some really excellent fights. They're

549
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,480
like heavyweights, but they're fast and and they're a little

550
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:15,799
more refined, and they've made a ton of good fights.

551
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:17,559
And I feel like the guys that are going on

552
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480
right now with Zero, with Bill Smith, with Obataiyah, a

553
00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:23,119
few other guys at the top, it's an interesting division

554
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:23,480
right now.

555
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: All right, real quick on the rest of the car,

556
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,960
because I know, I know you want to launch about

557
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,880
his owne with the bait and switch on the pay

558
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,640
per view and the.

559
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: Whole Okay, I'm gonna get there.

560
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna get there.

561
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: Chris U Bank wins, Sky Nicholson defends her women's featherweight

562
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,720
title WBC title, and Ben Whittaker wins. What what else

563
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,759
out of those fights stood out.

564
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,079
Speaker 3: Well in terms of you Bank. I mean, he just

565
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,720
beat down and annihilated Zarah Metta Camille, Zarahmeda Inu knocked

566
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:51,160
him down four times. If you know who Zara Meeda

567
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,960
is it's probably because he saw him getting knocked out

568
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,759
by Haimi Mongia or you saw him get knocked out

569
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,240
in a Middleway Championship fight against Triple G back a

570
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:02,240
few years ago. This was and as this was Chris

571
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:06,559
Eubank coming back after about a thirteen month layoff after

572
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:09,160
he regained or he avenged, i should say, his loss

573
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,680
to Liam Smith. They're looking to set up to Connor

574
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,480
Ben fight because Ben has as you know, anybody that's

575
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,920
follows boxing knows that he was pulled out of the

576
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,480
fight and suspended because of the fell drug test during

577
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,039
the week of the fight that took place that was

578
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,839
supposed to take place, you know, back a couple of

579
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,000
years ago, and he's been out of the ring. I mean,

580
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,200
he did have two fights in America because of some

581
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,599
technicalities on the on the licensing thing. However, in the

582
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,799
UK they're going through the process where he's probably going

583
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,400
to get the license back early next year. He's probably

584
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,200
going to get licensed, I would say, probably like in

585
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,079
February slash March. He'll be ready to go. And so

586
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:45,720
this was to get him a fight because he actually

587
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,240
hadn't fought in longer time and then the suspended Ben

588
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,000
because he fought the two fights here in the United

589
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:54,680
States anyway. This was to give him a tune up

590
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,920
fight to get ready for what will be because of

591
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,839
everything that has happened. One of the biggest fights in

592
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,400
the history of British boxing. I mean it was already

593
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,359
a big deal because of all the legend of their

594
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,200
father's rivalry from thirty years ago between Nigel Ben and

595
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,240
Chris Ubank. We talked about the rematch which was done

596
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,480
our show last week because it was the anniversary. But

597
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,559
these guys are gonna fight. Obviously, Connor was there ringside.

598
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,200
He jumped in the ring afterwards. Obviously you know they

599
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,440
knew that was gonna happen. They got that up for

600
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,480
a faux up and they were, you know, squawking at

601
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,960
each other and Zerametta was there to just be run over.

602
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,000
Give a few rounds to u Bank. He dropped him

603
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,079
four times and got him out of there and that

604
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,279
was it. It was a very easy victory, seventh round

605
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:36,880
and you know, look good, he's in his first right,

606
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:38,720
he was in his first fight. I should stay with

607
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,039
Jonathan Banks as his trainer. So they got to deal

608
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,359
with that union and so that'll be what's next with

609
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,000
you Bank and Ben. I think in terms of sky Nicholson, look,

610
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,240
she's an excellent boxer, but I mean, and she seems

611
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,240
like a certainly a nice woman, but honestly her watching

612
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,640
her fights is a lot like watching paint try. I

613
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,680
don't I'm nothing. I'm not gonna say bad about her.

614
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,799
She's a talented fighter, but she's now twelve to zero

615
00:26:57,839 --> 00:26:59,920
with one knockout. You know, she's not gonna stop anybody.

616
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,240
And her opponent, Raven Chapman, was her first loss. It

617
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:06,160
was like two rounds where it was sort of like

618
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:09,039
maybe she was trying to get untracked, and you know,

619
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,440
Raven Chapman seemed to do a good job, and after

620
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,039
like the second round, Sky Nicholson just totally dominated She

621
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,640
She's a south bush, she gave her problems with that

622
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200
and she cruised to a one sided decision. So there

623
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,400
was that. I'm not sure, you know, if there's some

624
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,599
big fight out there that I'm interested in terms of fraud,

625
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,599
but you know, good luck to her. And the Whittaker

626
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:27,240
fight that you mentioned that was kind of crazy. That

627
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,440
was you know, Ben Whittaker, flashy Olympian, big mouth, you know,

628
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,519
these crazy viral moments because he does so much showboating

629
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,359
and nonsense in the ring, you know, disrespecting his opponents

630
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,200
the way he does, you know, and they're not even

631
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,079
good opponents there. You know, it's one thing when you're

632
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,759
when you do that to somebody that you're you know,

633
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:45,640
a thousand to one favorite against, Like what does it

634
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,839
really mean? So finally they put him in with a

635
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,359
real guy and not a superstar opponent. But Liam Cameron

636
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,440
is an experienced fighter, got way way more professional fights

637
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,200
he had. This was like, you know, he's got almost

638
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,640
thirty fights as a pro, he's twenty three six, and

639
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,160
now this fight turns out to be a technical split

640
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,279
decision draw because the fight was going the wrong way

641
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:08,480
for Ben Whittaker, who, by the way, is so massively

642
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,640
hyped in the UK, like they think he's gonna be

643
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,359
mister pound for pound. Well, this was not a type

644
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,839
of performance where you would look at that and say, Wow,

645
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,119
this guy's really going places. You look at this and

646
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,839
you'd say I looked at that fight and he looks

647
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,200
like a fraud. Now maybe he can turn things around,

648
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,160
but he was having a really hard time. Cameron was

649
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,920
really coming on, and they got in a clinch and

650
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,640
they were sort of like, you know, shoving each other

651
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,519
a little bit. They were up against the ropes and

652
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,400
their momentum. The ropes looked a little loose and it

653
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,920
took them over the top rope and both guys like

654
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,480
splatted on the ring. It it looked like a ww

655
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,839
so both Cameron looked like he was a little bit

656
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:47,839
shaken up, but he got up pretty quickly and came

657
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,799
back in the ring. But Whitaker. Some people say, oh,

658
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:52,319
he was looking for an excuse. He was looking for

659
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:54,200
a way out because it was a tough fight. Cameron

660
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,079
said that afterwards in some of his comments, I didn't

661
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:58,680
really look at like that. I feel like he really

662
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,920
did have the right leg injury that prevented him from continuing.

663
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,599
They took him out of the ring. You know, it

664
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,160
was in a wheelchair. They took him to the hospital

665
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,039
and get checked out anyway, because five rounds had been complete,

666
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,680
you know, they were in the fifth round. Usually it's

667
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,000
four rounds have to be completed. So once you're past

668
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:15,200
that and it's an accidental I don't know if i'd

669
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,759
call it a foul, but an accidental injury the referee

670
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,400
deemed it was accidental and and stopped the fight and

671
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,680
sent the card sent a fight to the scorecards, and

672
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,400
as it turned out, Cameron won on one scorecard, Ben

673
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,119
Whitaker won on the other score card, and one of

674
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,400
them had a draw. So it turned out to be

675
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,240
so they're gonna have to do a rematch when his

676
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:34,839
leg is better. I mean, there's no doubt he's gonna

677
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,759
have to clean up that mess. And but that's a

678
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,039
that that is a big hit on his career because

679
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,799
not only is it a draw, not a technical draw

680
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:45,559
because they clanked heads like still is used in some jurisdictions,

681
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,400
but a draw because the the rounds were even and

682
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,160
he looked terrible in the fight. So he's gonna have

683
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,920
some clean enough to do.

684
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,599
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff there for the read season card.

685
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,960
And now ladies and gentlemen get ready for a high

686
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:05,839
entertaining of thing. Dan Rayfiel, who is none too pleased

687
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,960
because we went to great lengths to explain how to

688
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,200
see the fight. Is it a pay per view or

689
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,720
not in the United States, And suddenly on his own

690
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,039
it was a pay per view in the United States.

691
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,519
To see the cards, you have the floor my friend

692
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,440
go ahead.

693
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: So I am so disgusted with his owne that I

694
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,519
almost I'm gonna try to speak in a manner that

695
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,079
doesn't get us sued and doesn't get us in trouble.

696
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:33,359
But I'm just gonna see, I'm gonna be real about this. Okay,

697
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,480
You're right. We've spent a long time detailing how this

698
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:39,759
fight could be seen in the United States and Canada

699
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:41,200
for that matter, because that was sort of part of

700
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,559
the deal. And I try, and as I've done my

701
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,799
entire career, to keep it real and to be factual

702
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,240
and to make sure I check my material. And one

703
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,640
of the things that gratifies me more than anything in

704
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,119
this business is when people tell me that they read

705
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:58,000
what I write and they trust what I write and say,

706
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,319
and if I tell you this is the deal or

707
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:02,480
this is the case, that I'm not pulling it out

708
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,400
of thin air, that it's legit, it's factual, it's from

709
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,000
real people, it's not from made up sources. And I

710
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:10,799
pride myself on that, and I have done so for

711
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:13,039
a long time, because in this business, the only thing

712
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,480
that you have as a journalist is your credibility. Doesn't

713
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:17,400
matter if I was working for a USA today or

714
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,880
ESPN or now I'm doing my own thing. All you

715
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,119
have is your credibility and the trust the people putting you.

716
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,759
And so when they they meaning disown specifically and in

717
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,640
detailed fashion, and I have the emails, as they say, TJ,

718
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,200
I have receipts, okay to go over about how this

719
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,559
fight is being seen in America. And it was very

720
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,359
very clear as fucking day that if you wanted to

721
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,519
watch this fight, the main event better beiving people. It

722
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:45,599
would be on ESPN. Plus we've known that for a

723
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,880
long time Top Rank had the rights. So what's going

724
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,359
to happen with the rest of the show. It was

725
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,759
going to be pay per view around the world because

726
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:56,079
everywhere else you're going to be able to see the

727
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,640
main event also, but specifically in the market where the

728
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,079
main event was not available, meaning the United States and Canada,

729
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,200
they were going to make it as part of your

730
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,839
regular dessone subscription. And they do that in different countries

731
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,119
with different events. They have the ability to switch things

732
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,960
up however they see fits. So I was like, okay,

733
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,400
and I went back and forth to them just to

734
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,839
make sure are we right, We're clear, We're good, and

735
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,799
I even like explained how I was going to write it.

736
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,160
They're like, yeah, that's right, okay, and everything was on

737
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,079
track to the extent. DJ and I went back and

738
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:26,640
I checked this. On October sixth, so well before the fight, I,

739
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,119
along with other people on their press list, received an

740
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:34,000
email that explained that once again in in sentences as

741
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,559
well as in a graphic that put Fabio Wardley in

742
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,400
Fraser Clark's pictures as that, you know, on the top

743
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,599
of the of the bill, with the rest of the

744
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:43,759
fights and the photos all the other fighters on the card,

745
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,279
and with the word said specifically, you know, free to

746
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,920
subscribers in the United States and Canada, something to that extent,

747
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,359
making it very very clear this is not a pay

748
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,559
per view. I ran the graphic and my sub stack,

749
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,880
I put it on social media. I explained it a

750
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,640
thousand times to people. Now. I don't know if it

751
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,279
was the day before the fight or two days before

752
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:03,680
the fight. I guess it was the day before the fight.

753
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,799
On Friday, a friend of mine who's in the boxing business,

754
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,680
sends me a text message. He says, I'm looking at

755
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,000
my de zone Apple. It's got the little lock on

756
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:14,400
it says it's pay per view for the fight, you know,

757
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160
for the other car. I'm like, I mean, they've said

758
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,799
to me a thousand times. You know, it's not a

759
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,079
pay per view in the United States, So I mean,

760
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,480
maybe they made a mistake. You know, it's Jill blocked

761
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:25,680
in other places, but they just had that up there

762
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,160
by accident.

763
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: And you know, he was giving them the benefit.

764
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:29,599
Speaker 3: I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. But

765
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,599
they don't ever fucking deserve the benefit of the doubt

766
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,799
ever again, as long as I fucking live. I was

767
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:36,559
gonna say, because they're pieces of shit, but I'm going

768
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:41,279
to reframe, all right. As it turns out, by the way,

769
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,759
it's a pay per view. So I didn't know this

770
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,599
until after the fact because I didn't watch the entire show.

771
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,119
They did. Dezone did a Jake Paul MVP prospects card

772
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,359
from Puerto Rico on Friday night some like if the

773
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,119
fight cars started at noontime on Saturday Eastern time. This

774
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:02,000
was like twelve fourteen hours before the fight. During the

775
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:06,240
course of that broadcast on the Zone, they advertise the

776
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:10,000
undercard as being free to subscribers. The play by play

777
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,159
announcer is reading that you know you've done a lot

778
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:13,039
of radio.

779
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:18,519
Speaker 2: He's reading the promo saying free to subscribers.

780
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,119
Speaker 3: In the United States. He's basically, I'm paraphrasing, you know,

781
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,639
we got a great show tomorrow. The undercard is are

782
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,639
the main event is not available in the United States

783
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,360
market for a de zone, but we've got the undercard,

784
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,800
a great undercard for our subscribers. They specifically said that,

785
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,199
and there's a tweet on my feed, you can listen

786
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,440
to it. I wake up on Saturday morning and I

787
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,400
see a bunch of people have hit me up on

788
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,400
my social saying that the fight is on pay per view?

789
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000
What's going on? So I get in touch with one

790
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,440
of the people at the zone. I'm not going to

791
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,719
name names because I'm not looking to throw somebody that's

792
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,480
a working person trying to do their job under a bus,

793
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,880
trying to get an explanation of what's going on. And

794
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,679
this is what really set me off. Now, if they

795
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,440
decide why did the change and go from non pay

796
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,119
per view to a twenty dollars pay per view, if

797
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,039
they're gonna go through the efforts that they did to

798
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,880
explain to me personally, as well as I assume others

799
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000
in the media, that it wasn't a pay per view.

800
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,599
You'd think they'd have the fucking common, fucking courtesy decency

801
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,719
to go back to those people and say, oh, listen,

802
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:23,320
it changed, Sorry about that. Here's what's up, so you

803
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,920
can let folks know. No, no, not the courtesy of

804
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,320
that whatsoever at all. I was told in this very

805
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,760
terse back and forth there was quote some confusion, and

806
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,679
when I saw that, I nearly fucking blew a gasket.

807
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,239
I was going to the moon. I was so pissed off.

808
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:46,280
There was no confusion, right, There was graphic representation, and you.

809
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: Sent it out yourselves.

810
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: And then you followed up with multiple emails to make

811
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,719
sure we had the verbage correct of how it was

812
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,719
going to be seen.

813
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: As not confusion.

814
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,639
Speaker 3: I know how to read. That was confusion, okay. And

815
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,400
by the way, the thing that even more so pissed

816
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,599
me off is when I asked for an explanation, and

817
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,039
by the way, I'm still I also went out of

818
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:12,119
my way to contact the the comm's people at the

819
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,320
zone asking for a statement for an explanation. If I

820
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,559
decide to write about this or post something, you know,

821
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:21,039
I'm always happy to give somebody right else's side it

822
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:25,239
was a decent journalist, fire the information, and if there's

823
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,000
a difference of opinion or something like that, you let

824
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,159
the other side explain that. You don't give them their take.

825
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:32,599
The floor is theirs. I haven't even gotten a response,

826
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,400
so you know, I owe them nothing. I've waited like

827
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,239
two days for them to give me a response, and

828
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,719
my my fucking patience is through is up to here?

829
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Can tell there's that? Now here's the big thing. If

830
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,440
you're going to change your mind to do that, and

831
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:50,920
I ask you, like, okay, well what happened and you

832
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,400
tell me it's confusion, and they still offer no explanation

833
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,079
about it. Now the inference would be to me. And

834
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:58,599
I don't know this to be the case, but I

835
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,880
think one might deduce this that the edict maybe came

836
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,000
from Saudi Arabia perhaps, but I don't know that, so

837
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:08,400
I can't say that, and I don't you know. Look,

838
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,599
the other thing that drives me wild about this is that,

839
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,960
going back a couple of months ago, Top Rank, which

840
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,159
obviously had the rights to the main event, made the

841
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,360
promoters that are doing the event. I don't know if

842
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,519
that was Saudi Arabi or Frank Warren or a matchrom

843
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:25,000
whoever was responsible, you know Sela. They offered them seven

844
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,760
figures to buy out any pay per view in the

845
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,119
United States so they could have the entire event on ESPN.

846
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:37,679
Plus they were turned down. Now they know the business,

847
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,760
so they did an assessment of what they felt like

848
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,360
the fight could generate financially and offered them what they

849
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,519
say is a number that would be commensurate what the

850
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,800
fight would generate in the United States, and they were

851
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,519
turned down. Now, once this thing became a pay per view,

852
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:55,360
I don't think this fight did shit in terms of business.

853
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,199
So that is another disrespectful thing to change it like that,

854
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,880
where you're not even gonna make money on it. Number two,

855
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:04,000
they made it so confusing to people. They never made

856
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,760
an announcement. At least maybe they put a thing on

857
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,360
their social media, but I don't see every one of

858
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,559
their posts. So all day yesterday people like, why is

859
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:11,840
this on pay per view? Why is this on pay

860
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,360
per view? It's supposed to be on regular the zone.

861
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,199
They offered no help, offered, no direction, offered, no apology,

862
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:23,480
offer nothing but their fucking arrogant selves about you know,

863
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,639
we don't owe you any kind of explanation. Or else

864
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,599
they would have answered the fucking question, which wasn't exactly complicated.

865
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,519
It's bait and switch. They tried to induce people to subscribe.

866
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:35,039
I feel like, this is my opinion that by saying

867
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,360
it was pay per view on not pay per view,

868
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,599
they would try to use that to induce some people

869
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,519
to subscribe. And there's a class action lawsuit going on

870
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,719
Benson right now about trying to build people for things

871
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,760
that they haven't asked for or that they're trying to cancel.

872
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,280
And then how do you get me to subscribe to

873
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,920
your service? And then the reason you may have subscribed

874
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,000
they changed the last minute.

875
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,079
Speaker 1: Don't tell anybody, sure clarify for me because I don't

876
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,480
know this because I do not subscribe to the Zone.

877
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,039
So to sign up for de Zone, let's say you

878
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,880
wanted to watch this, What did you have to pay

879
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,800
to sign up? Did you have to sign up for

880
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,800
the full year? Did you have to give them most of.

881
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: The money up front? I think it's a month by month.

882
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:14,119
I don't know.

883
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: Now I subscribe for a year and that's like two

884
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,480
hundred and twenty five dollars. I mean, when the Zone started,

885
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:20,159
it was like one hundred bucks then it went to

886
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:21,519
like I don't know, one hundred and fifty. Now it's

887
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:23,599
like two and a quarter or something later two forty.

888
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,679
But if you wanted to get this fight or other

889
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,960
fights on their service, you can either buy the year

890
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,239
or you can buy it by the month. And I

891
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,000
don't remember that, and there's different okays, but I mean

892
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,320
a month is maybe like twenty twenty five dollars something

893
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,800
like that. But and then on top of that, if

894
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,760
you want to, if you want to buy the pay

895
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,679
per view, it's kind of like and this is not

896
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,039
only to the zone and fairness. I mean ESPN does

897
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:44,800
the same thing if you want to let's say you

898
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,119
want to buy h a regular pay per view is

899
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,800
not the same because they'll put it on regular TV.

900
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,119
Let's say it's a UFC pay per view. In order

901
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:54,159
to purchase a UFC pay per view, which is exclusive

902
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,360
to ESPN Plus, first you'd subscribe to ESPN Plus, which

903
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,559
is whatever the fias what is one hundred bucks a year,

904
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,480
and then you subscribe to the pay per view, which

905
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:03,639
will cost you whatever they charged, right, I think you know,

906
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,679
sixty or seventy or whatever dollars for the pay per view.

907
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:10,400
So they that that was a giant fiasco, and the

908
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,559
way they handle it was about as reprehensible as anything

909
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:17,320
I have ever seen. It is just absolutely grotesque, and

910
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,679
that they won't even give you an explanation for it,

911
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:23,440
And it was at the last minute, like literally the

912
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,559
night before on their own service, they're promoting and advertising

913
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,960
and talking about how this Undercard for People Better BEP

914
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:35,280
is available in the United States and Canada to subscribers

915
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,960
of the Zone, and like several hours later, it's a

916
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,679
pay per view for nineteen ninety nine. I mean, you want,

917
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,559
and by the way, we just don't.

918
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,679
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sum it up like this. What you're

919
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,079
saying is, how do you trust them in the future?

920
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 3: You do?

921
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,079
Speaker 2: Because this is this is I'm saying this.

922
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:56,519
Speaker 1: This is a reason for you as the consumer to

923
00:40:56,599 --> 00:41:00,320
be dubious my word of in the future. They're trying

924
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,119
to screw the boxing fan at the last possible.

925
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 3: The amount of negative activity that I have seen on

926
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,599
my social is just, honestly is one of the most

927
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,800
overwhelming amounts of things I've seen for any issue in

928
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,320
boxing since I've been on social media. It's just ridiculous. Now,

929
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,719
one other thing, by the way, I mean, I think

930
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,800
it's fraud if you ask me. But that's that's my opinion. Uh.

931
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,000
The wild thing about it is and and I actually

932
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,599
put their side in this particular situation. If you remember

933
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,800
when his own First was created and came to the

934
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,920
United States in twenty eighteen, and I was at the

935
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,559
press conference when they launched it because I was in

936
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,800
New York for another fight. Pay per View is dead.

937
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:44,239
I remember standing outside, so did an he Hearn. So look,

938
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,199
I mean they did commercials where they showed it was

939
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,079
the comedian I forget to give me the where he's

940
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:50,920
blowing up stuff, you know, saying pay per view was dead,

941
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,119
like they're blowing up TVs. And was I forget the name.

942
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:56,079
He was an actor that's used to be on Saturday

943
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,440
Live by thinkright Kevin Well? No, No, was it Kevin Hart?

944
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,039
Maybe it was. I think it was. Anyway, I remember

945
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:03,559
going to a fight at the Team over and I

946
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:05,719
want to say it was maybe the one of the

947
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,800
uh maybe a Canelo fight early on Canelo versus Jacobs

948
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,880
maybe something like that. They literally had a booth outside

949
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,280
in the in the plaza at the Team Mobile that

950
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,440
was had a big sign pay per view is dead,

951
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:18,639
and you could go inside this big booth and take

952
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:22,320
a hammer and smash the TV literally mm hm. So

953
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,320
that was twenty eighteen, and now here we are. Pay

954
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,920
per view is dead in twenty eighteen, in twenty twenty four,

955
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,559
it's you got to if you want to watch it,

956
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,280
you don't have to do any of it. But if

957
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,960
you want to watch the fight, now you got to

958
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,159
buy a pay per view for the undercard. Now. I

959
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,280
always felt like that they could do some of these

960
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,440
big megafights as non pay per views as they were

961
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,800
beginning their service, but there was no way that that

962
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,639
could last. I can remember talking some of the executives

963
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,800
at that press conference, you know, having a cordial back

964
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,199
and forth and like saying like, I mean, I hope

965
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,400
this guy, hope this works for you guys, But I

966
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,880
mean I know the business pretty well, and I just

967
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,719
don't see a way how it's going to be sustainable

968
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,280
because boxers not want to have their money capped by

969
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,519
by not having the ability to be on pay per view.

970
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:03,519
And it lasted for like five minutes, and then pay

971
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,119
per view it went the opposite direction. Now everything is

972
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:09,840
pay per view. So the zone owes the world an

973
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,000
apology of to the boxing fans, who are the most

974
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,440
abused sports fans in the world and nobody seems to

975
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,760
give a fuck about them. It's a great and beautiful sport,

976
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:21,760
but the business is disgusting, and the Zone right now

977
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,719
was the leader in the clubhouse of disgusting behavior among

978
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,039
the boxing business. So I hope that somebody from the

979
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,760
Zone is listening, and I'm waiting for your fucking statement.

980
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,039
And I'm also waiting not an apology to me because

981
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:34,239
I'm a big boy, but an apology to the boxing

982
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,039
fans that you pissed off and misled very very severely

983
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,360
to put an undercard of a great fight on pay

984
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,519
per view. What world are we living in where you

985
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,239
can watch this main event that was one of the high,

986
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:50,079
high class main events you could possibly ask for in boxing,

987
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,239
and you put the undercard as a twenty dollars pay

988
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,639
per view. It is ridiculous. It is pathetic.

989
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: As again, to clarify in the rest of the world,

990
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,960
as you kept saying, you bought the pay per view

991
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:03,039
because that's how you were getting the main event.

992
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:03,559
Speaker 3: Correct.

993
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: So that's an important point in all of this.

994
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: Let me make one more stake. If they just started

995
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,480
at the beginning, it said, yes, the under carter is

996
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,079
pay per view for twenty bucks. You know, if you

997
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:13,760
want to buy it, fine. I mean, there'd have been

998
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,840
grumbling and I'd be like, Okay, that's kind of fucked up.

999
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:19,079
But whatever, it's it's your honest about it. The thing

1000
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,360
that's the aggravating in the part that pisses me off

1001
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,400
is that I was explained to it's not pay per

1002
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,719
view ad nauseum, and the day before the fight it

1003
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,000
became pay per view. That is not appropriate. That to

1004
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,039
me is grounds for some kind of class action lawsuit.

1005
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:36,119
Another one that does one might face. All right.

1006
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,679
Speaker 1: I can tell you're passionate and it's well placed. I

1007
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,239
will just add one more thing. You have as much

1008
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,440
or more credibility as anybody that does this, and you're offended.

1009
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: That's the word I'm gonna use.

1010
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:55,159
Speaker 1: You're offended because you were promoting this with what they told.

1011
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: You, and because they were doing the right thing right right.

1012
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,159
Speaker 1: You feel missing for putting this on pay per view.

1013
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,360
All right, So the open wound is still an open

1014
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,679
woond for Rayphiel. Don't hold your breath for me, big

1015
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,760
fella on the zone. Getting back to you, maybe they

1016
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,079
will after the pod here, maybe they will love to

1017
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:12,880
hear the explanation.

1018
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: All right.

1019
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:17,599
Speaker 1: By the way, we've had bukoo fights in Japan of

1020
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,400
the title variety on Saturday morning, Sunday morning, and then

1021
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,079
we're gonna get to Monday morning. Also right now, you

1022
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:26,840
were doing you and I are doing this on Sunday night.

1023
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,440
All right, So let's recap the teak In Promotions card

1024
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,440
real quick, where Takuma in a way was beaten in

1025
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,079
the main event and what else on that card. This

1026
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,840
was Sunday morning in the United States, Sunday night in Japan.

1027
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,679
Speaker 3: Go ahead, this was a really good card. I mean,

1028
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,039
for all the bullshit that the Zone does, the absolute

1029
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:48,760
opposite of the spectrum is that Top Rank, through their

1030
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,559
relationship with teak In Promotions and with ESPN Plus, bring

1031
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,679
these outstanding Japanese cards to the United kins States as

1032
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,719
part of your subscription commentary. Lots of good fights, lots

1033
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,519
of good guys. You know, I made the point on

1034
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,039
my social media, like the kids just don't understand. Back

1035
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,400
in the day, I would trade VHS cassettes to get

1036
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,320
these fights from Japan, and you would have to wait

1037
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,400
two or three weeks to get the tape. There was

1038
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,679
no such thing as YouTube, so you just wait and

1039
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,360
then you know if you watch it, you know you

1040
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,079
it was in the Japanese, so you know, you don't

1041
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:21,760
need the commentary. You can still see what's happening in

1042
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,239
the fight. Now you'll wake up whenever it's on it

1043
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,039
you can either pop on your phone or you're you know,

1044
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:29,039
it's on your and your TV and integrated with the app,

1045
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:30,039
or you put on your computer.

1046
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1047
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: It's such a beautiful thing. And this was an excellent card.

1048
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,079
The main event, as you mentioned, this was the WBA

1049
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,599
bantamway title defense by Takuma in Away who was the

1050
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:42,280
younger brother of Annoya in a way, and he was

1051
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,599
taking on his Japanese countrymen. Sayah suit Sumi, this was

1052
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,519
a tremendous battle. A I don't know if I'm gonna

1053
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:51,800
go so far to say it's like a fight of

1054
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,159
the Year candidate, but it was a damn good fight.

1055
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:56,400
And let me tell you to to me, is just

1056
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,079
a like a whirlwind, pressure pressure, pressure, and he he

1057
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,760
he won a clear decision this fight. He just was

1058
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,400
absolutely relentless against takum Anyway, who, by the way, didn't

1059
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,599
fight like a bad fight or anything like that. But

1060
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:11,320
he just got out fought, out punched, you know, out

1061
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,920
out bludgeoned basically in this fight, and you know he

1062
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,239
got a new WBA one hundred and eighteen pound champ.

1063
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,400
What it does do, however, is it kind of messes

1064
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,280
up the plan. If there was this, I don't know

1065
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,719
if it was official, but you got in a way

1066
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,400
saying he'd like some day to fight Nakatani, who's the

1067
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,320
WBC's bandonwaight champion, but he wanted him to have a

1068
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,880
unification with his brother first and then he would fight

1069
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,000
him if he won. Obviously, with Takuma losing that that

1070
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,119
obviously that that fight won't happen at this point at

1071
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,360
least not next We'll get to Nakatani and then he

1072
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,800
actually defends the title on Monday. So that was the

1073
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,280
main event, and then the co feature was another tremendous performance,

1074
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,840
another tremendous battle. You have one of my favorite Japanese fighters,

1075
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,000
can Shiro Taraji, moving up from the junior flyweight division

1076
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,519
to the flyweight division. He won the vacant WBC title

1077
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,719
in an all out war against Christopher Rosales just again

1078
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,880
stopped him in the eleventh round of just a great battle,

1079
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,400
a big heart from Rosales who was there with his

1080
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,119
trainer Eddie Renoso and trailing along making an appearance in

1081
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,159
Japan for the fans and maybe thinking about fighting there someday.

1082
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,920
Was Canelo Alvarez because they're all in the same stable together.

1083
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:19,920
So that was a big win for Taraji becomes a

1084
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,840
two division world champion. And then there was other fights

1085
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,639
also on that two other world title fights. He had

1086
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,719
sego at Kui, who was the WBA Flyway champion. He

1087
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,159
had a victory by unanimous decision over a fighter from Thailand.

1088
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,679
Not the action of the other fights, but you know,

1089
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,880
still good to see these guys in action. And in

1090
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,360
the first fight you had the filling of the vacant

1091
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,840
w BO Junior Flyway title, and that was a Japanese

1092
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,480
fighter named Sookichi Iwada who looked really good in scoring

1093
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:53,360
a third round knockout against Gyro and Noriega, a heavy

1094
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,280
handed guy for a small guy, he looked like he

1095
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,199
had some serious punching power. He just took his dude apart.

1096
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,159
And you know, I love these cards, man. We've talked

1097
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:03,280
about it before. It was a lot of fun and

1098
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,239
uh just a great, great uh a great fun time.

1099
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,719
And for whatever reason, they're doing another one of these

1100
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,639
same promoter, same thnu in Tokyo, three more world title

1101
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:13,440
fights on Monday morning, so they'll be over by the

1102
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,480
time they people hear this, and.

1103
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:17,679
Speaker 1: We need to clarify again, we're good, but we're doing

1104
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,239
this Sunday night. And if you're hearing it Monday morning,

1105
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,760
saying where's a Monday afternoon where's the recap of the

1106
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,360
Monday Japanese car We don't know, we don't know what

1107
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,920
happened read Dan substack checking.

1108
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,679
Speaker 3: Out on necessarily.

1109
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:32,639
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if they want your tank, you'll eventually

1110
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:35,199
bring it up on social media or on your substack.

1111
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:37,760
We don't know what happened on the Monday morning US

1112
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,239
Time fight cards. But again, uh Na Katani is the

1113
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,599
is the main event if I have that correct.

1114
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 3: So he's defending the main event on the first one

1115
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,440
was the w b A Bandamway title with Takuma uh

1116
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:51,960
and now the main event on this on this next

1117
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,599
card that we're not gonna know the result when people

1118
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:59,480
hear this, is Nakatani against petch soor Chit Patanya from Thailand,

1119
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:04,000
and we love Nakatani again like Taraji, super exciting, like

1120
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,039
if I can watch you know Noi in a way

1121
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,960
and Karaji and Nakatani, I mean tremendous exciting fighters. They

1122
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:15,920
got tension. Nakusawa, who's the kickboxer become a boxer, hugely popular.

1123
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:19,800
He's on this card. Posy Tanaka is defending his WBO

1124
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,159
Junior bantamwait title on the card, and the other title

1125
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:27,039
fight is Anthony Alaskagua in his defense against Jonathan Gonzalez,

1126
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,480
who's a former title holder at one aweight moving up

1127
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:33,440
the challenge for the WBO Flyway title. So again you

1128
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,119
know all the eight fights, seven title fights in two

1129
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,880
days from top rank and teaking on ESPN Plus, not

1130
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,679
a pay per view on the undercard, unlike his own

1131
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,039
like that.

1132
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, there was another title fight, which

1133
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,960
clarify me my days have all run together, my friend

1134
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,880
with the hurricane and with all the stuff and going

1135
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,360
to New Orleans in back. This was Friday or Saturday

1136
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,239
was Saturday morning, Saturday morning US time, Saturday night. There

1137
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:04,239
was another title fight and Panki in Japan defeats seventh Thigh,

1138
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,320
not Shinga, a fighter we've talked about on these pods

1139
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,960
and and really took it to him, knocked him down

1140
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,480
several times right, and took his took the title.

1141
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: Took the title. I mean, so Masamichi Yabuki, who is

1142
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,159
had been a title holder in one hundred eight pound

1143
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,360
way class of the WBC. He scored a big upset

1144
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,800
at the time against Taraji. Well that and then in

1145
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,639
the immediate rematch, Taraji won the rematch to regain the title.

1146
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,760
That loss and that win has aged well considering what

1147
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,159
Yabuki just did to non Chinga. They fought a very

1148
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:36,559
good fight. Uh and this was a separate card from

1149
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:38,639
the ones that we've already been talking about. I'm not

1150
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:40,400
sure why all these fights in Japan over the last

1151
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,360
couple of days, but nonetheless, he dropped non Nonchinga three times,

1152
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,599
stopped him in the ninth round. A tremendous performance. You know,

1153
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:51,239
we've saw Nonchinga in the Fight of the Year a

1154
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,280
couple of years ago down when he won the belt.

1155
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,519
We've seen him be knocked out by Kyria, saw him

1156
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:59,320
come back and get the revenge and reclaim the title.

1157
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,000
And now in this fight, he goes to Japan on

1158
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:05,159
the road and gets knocked out. Now, the interesting thing

1159
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:09,239
about this is I never Nanchina is a Matchroom Boxing fighter.

1160
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,360
You know, he's with them, along with the South Africans

1161
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,760
that he's with because that's where he's from, South Africa.

1162
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,719
There was not, really, to my knowledge, there was no

1163
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,880
American viewer ability to view this legally as it turned out, didn't.

1164
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,599
I wish they would have announced it Matchroom. I don't

1165
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:23,920
know if it was live or not, but they had

1166
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,239
it on their Matchroom Boxing YouTube channel, so it's there

1167
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,400
if you want to watch it, perfect quality. They got

1168
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,920
the outstanding commentator, Corey Erdman doing the blow by blow

1169
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,719
who's one of the best in the business, and it

1170
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,119
was a very enjoyable fight to watch.

1171
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, all right, news.

1172
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:42,559
Speaker 1: We did talk about this on the bet Us Boxing

1173
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:46,000
show on Friday, or did I imagine that post Hurricane Milton,

1174
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,800
We did talk about this that in the question and

1175
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,400
answer portion. Somebody asked you about Espinoza and Roba c

1176
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:57,000
Ramirez his rematch, when it is where it is. They

1177
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,599
canceled the purse bid, they made the deal and just

1178
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:02,719
fill in the blanks here for the audience on the

1179
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,760
fight for each night recap.

1180
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: So they were supposed to have the perst bit Friday

1181
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,639
morning for this fight, which always truck me as unusual

1182
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:10,679
for the purspit since they're both with the same teams

1183
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:13,559
top rank Promotes Romas top Ranks. The co promoter of

1184
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:14,920
Espinosa with remember if.

1185
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: I interject, we joked, do you want to take the

1186
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,199
really good offer or do you want to risk what's

1187
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,400
in the one and only envelope on Friday?

1188
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,599
Speaker 2: And obviously it worked out.

1189
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: I mean, really, what this came down to is that

1190
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,000
they were having trouble closing with either one of the

1191
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,239
fighters or both of the fighters. It wasn't about Most

1192
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,280
of the time in purse bits, the issues of making

1193
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,199
a deal are not making a deal is because the

1194
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,519
two promoters are at loggerheads and they can't come up

1195
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:38,559
with a deal between them. But there are times like

1196
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:41,280
this where it's not about the promoter to promoter deal.

1197
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,519
It's about the promoter with their own fighter trying to

1198
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,199
square away a deal. In this particular case, I'm led

1199
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,400
to believe that there was issues closing with both of them,

1200
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:52,360
that there was the problems, disagreements over the Espinoza camp

1201
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,199
and what they wanted, as well as the Ramirez camp

1202
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,360
and what they wanted. In any event, they finally came

1203
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,639
to a deal and they're going to finish up strong

1204
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:01,760
in terms the top ranks American fight cards. They'll still

1205
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,400
have in a way on Christmas Eve from Japan, but

1206
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,119
in terms of their main American cards that were used

1207
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,440
to on the Saturday night or Friday night normal time,

1208
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,559
this is gonna be a great card December seventh. It's

1209
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,079
gonna take place in Arizona. I think I can't remember

1210
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:19,519
if it's Phoenix or Glendell, but you'll have The main

1211
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:21,360
event is going to be, and I've written about this

1212
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,360
plenty of times. It's not announcing it. I'll probably get

1213
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,880
announced that next week, but it's a done deal. It's

1214
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,639
gonna be the rematch between Emmanuel Navarette and Oscar Valdez

1215
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,000
for the WBO one hundred and thirty pounds title. Valdez

1216
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:36,239
obviously is the interim champion. Remember when Navarette lost at

1217
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,559
one hundred and thirty five, he had the option to

1218
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:40,920
come back to one thirty in defend, which he decided

1219
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,719
to do, and that meant that his mandatory was going

1220
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,559
to be this rematch against Valdez. Their first fight was outstanding,

1221
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:47,480
even though it's turned out to be kind of one

1222
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,440
sided with the Naverete winning. But Valdez look good in

1223
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,599
his last fight, and they're gonna do it over again.

1224
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,000
And then we get a second rematch in the opener

1225
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:58,039
on this card, which is Espinosa against Robes whose first

1226
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:00,440
fight was the fight of the year CA today at

1227
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,440
the end of twenty twenty three, where Espinosa came out

1228
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,719
of absolutely obscurity and nowhere and scored a very dramatic

1229
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,440
victory against Ramirez. They both were on the floor, just

1230
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,519
a great battle. So you know, this is a doubleheader

1231
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:15,679
and may I add not pay per view, no undercard

1232
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,960
on pay per view. You're listening to his own to

1233
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,679
if this was on his own. They try to make

1234
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:23,960
this a fucking fifty dollars payer view probably, but anyway,

1235
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,599
this is a great way for top ranking. Closed that

1236
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:28,679
year with two very good fights on paper and two rematches.

1237
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,480
And by the way, the winner of the fight between

1238
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,719
Ramirez and Espinoza is absolutely going to be a candidate

1239
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,079
to fight the winner of Valdez Navarette by moving up

1240
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:40,360
and wait there one division.

1241
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: These things they are a lot of times aligned and

1242
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,000
on purpose.

1243
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens with that.

1244
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: By one more news item, Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington is going

1245
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,480
to be back here. We just saw him a couple

1246
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:56,440
of weeks ago, and you you've got more on when

1247
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:57,920
and when what's going on.

1248
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,079
Speaker 3: He struggled a light quite a bit in his most

1249
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,920
recent I remember he fought on the undercard that was

1250
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,719
headlined by the MICHAELA. Mayer winning the title against Sandy

1251
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,760
Ryan in terms of the women's welterweight division. Uh. But

1252
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,719
Daffi was at the Madison Square Garden Theater in one

1253
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,360
of the fights on the main card was Bruce Hushu Carrington,

1254
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,320
the fighter who's a featherweight with top rank, is beginning

1255
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,280
a ton of hype and uh and and a lot

1256
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,719
of exposure. And we talked about the mass amount of

1257
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,920
hype that he's been getting, which I think is misplaced.

1258
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,159
But nonetheless he's still an excellent prospect. And as it

1259
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:33,360
turns out, if you follow him, you know he's from Brownsville, Brooklyn.

1260
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:36,119
That is the same neighborhood where Mike Tyson grew up.

1261
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,039
And Mike Tyson apparently is aware of Bruce Carrington and

1262
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:42,920
whether he struggled or not against Suliman Segawa in that

1263
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,920
victory where he basically, uh, you know, was lucky to

1264
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,440
get a majority decision to win. Tyson wanted to have

1265
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:51,599
him on his card because he likes the kid and

1266
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:53,039
he I guess they have a little bit of of

1267
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:56,039
a friendly relationship, and he loves the fact that he's

1268
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:57,760
from his hometown, and so he went to the MVP

1269
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,960
people and asked him they would put him on the card.

1270
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,079
Top Rank was not going to stand in the way

1271
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:05,519
of some kind of massive exposure for Bruce Chushu Carrington

1272
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,280
to be on this massive card at the you know,

1273
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,079
the AT and T Stadium on Netflix. They went they

1274
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:12,760
were going to have a fight for him until probably

1275
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,119
February or so anyway, so he's gonna be on this card.

1276
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:18,599
He's a nice addition. He's gonna take on an Australian

1277
00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:21,239
fighter named Dana Coldwell who's thirteen and two with eight

1278
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,519
knockout stepping up in class. But it's really kind of

1279
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:26,400
it's an eight rounders I want to call it a

1280
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,480
tune up fight, but I think Top Rank has you know,

1281
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,119
bigger plans for him in terms of the early part

1282
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:32,840
of next year. But this is an opportunity to get

1283
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,800
some excellent exposure to you know, be around Mike Tyson,

1284
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,400
who I think you know is one of his idols.

1285
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,000
And and again Tyson has taken a liking to the kid,

1286
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,280
and they'll add him to the card. So now you

1287
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,199
got that fight on the card. There's already the fights

1288
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:47,719
that have been announced with Taylor and Toronto rematch and

1289
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:51,480
the title defense of Mario Barrios defending his his title

1290
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:53,760
on this card. So Carrington's a nice edition and by

1291
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,239
the way, not pay per view.

1292
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:01,199
Speaker 1: Wow, the emphasis continues. All right, nestle time, because we've

1293
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:04,119
been here a little bit. It was twelve years ago

1294
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,960
on Sunday when you were ringside in Carson, California for

1295
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:13,960
Nonito dounair. As it says on my trustee rundown here

1296
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,679
that he was in the midst of his Fighter of

1297
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:20,079
the Year campaign when he knocked out Nashoka to retain

1298
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:24,199
the WBO Junior featherweight title. And also an interesting fight

1299
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,960
that was in the opener on this card as well,

1300
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,440
another fight of the year type fight. All right, so

1301
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,960
tell me more about the nostalgia from October thirteenth of

1302
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:37,280
twenty twelve, twelve years ago, Sunday as we released this pot.

1303
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 3: Well, Tji, how much you love to talk about activity

1304
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,480
of fighters. And in twenty twelve, Donedo Dunair became the

1305
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,800
Fighter of the Year, and not the only reason, but

1306
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,440
part a big part of the reason was because he

1307
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,360
fought four times, all against the legitimate opponents. He started

1308
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,360
off the year in February, he scored a victory against

1309
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,079
Wilfredo Vasquez Junior, won the vacant WBO one hundred and

1310
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:02,199
twenty two pound title, then unified by defeating pretty handily

1311
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,199
the IBF champion, Jeffrey Mithubula, and then the IBF title

1312
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:08,960
went away because the IBF does IBF things. But he

1313
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,840
defended the WBO title against Toshiaki Nishioka, a very classy

1314
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,000
former champion from Japan. Excellent fighter. They did this fight

1315
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:17,639
in the main event. He was on HBO at what

1316
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:21,000
was then called the stub Hub Center in Carson, kal Or,

1317
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,239
the Home Depot Center was at the time. Now, of

1318
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,440
course it's the Dignity Health Park with the same venue

1319
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:28,559
the Tennis center there. And you know, at the time,

1320
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,360
there was a lot of people thinking this is gonna

1321
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,519
be one hell of a fight. Really, a lot of

1322
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:34,239
people looking forward to it very excited. As it turned out,

1323
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:36,679
even though don Air looked good and won handily and

1324
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,440
dominated and scored the knockout in the ninth round, knocked

1325
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:42,159
Nishioka down in round six, knocked him down again in

1326
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:44,840
round nine when the fight ended. It they're not, unfortunately

1327
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,239
not to be an exciting fight and they had a

1328
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,599
really hard act to follow. So anyway, he won the fight,

1329
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,920
Donair did, and then it was only two months later

1330
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,559
he then knocked out for he arse in the third round.

1331
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,360
So that was in a title defense. That was four fights,

1332
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,519
including unification against all against either champions, former champions, or

1333
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:04,960
top names, and he just ran through pretty much all

1334
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,239
of them. And that became the Fighter of the Air

1335
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,719
campaign of Nonedo Donair, which is going to be one

1336
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:13,320
of the big line items on his resume when he

1337
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,239
gets into the Hall of Fame. And this was the

1338
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,000
third of those four fights. Now, the reason it was

1339
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:21,039
even more memorable though, was really because of the co feature.

1340
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,440
This was a fight than everybody, even more so than

1341
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,840
what we expected out of the main event to be

1342
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,559
just a slam bang kind of fight. This was a

1343
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,199
WBO one hundred and forty pounds title eliminator between then

1344
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,280
undefeated Brandon Rios, who had won a lightweight title, the

1345
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,840
undefeated Mike Alvarado, who had been in some tallacious, fucking battles.

1346
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,800
And when this fight was made, you're like, there's no

1347
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,400
chance it's not going to be something spectacular. And guess what, TJ.

1348
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:50,760
It was something spectacular, and so as bad as Donair

1349
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,079
in this year could turn out to be in terms

1350
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:54,239
of the overall action, even though Donair did what he

1351
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,400
was supposed to do, it was made even worse because

1352
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,239
they had to follow the hell Brandon Rios and Mike

1353
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:03,719
Alvarado gave me some other four seven rounds and a

1354
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,639
spectacular fight where finally Rios was able to get the

1355
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:09,639
job done and stop him in the seventh round. And

1356
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,239
let me tell you, being ringside for that, I'll just

1357
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,480
give you one aside. I always forget about how the

1358
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:17,960
weather changes in like thirty seconds when you're in Carson,

1359
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,360
And it was super super hot that day, even though

1360
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,000
it was in October, and I forgot to bring my

1361
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:25,320
I forgot to bring my jacket, and when the sun

1362
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,000
goes down, you freeze your fucking ass off. And it

1363
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:30,280
was so fucking cold that night, like I had my

1364
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,800
hands underneath my laptop to warm them up. Wow. Anyway,

1365
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,280
I have the vivid memory of getting back to the

1366
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,119
hotel after the fight we had taken like a there's

1367
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:43,079
a shuttle bus that brings you know, whoever, fighters, media, promoter, people,

1368
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,400
pr people, whoever. You know, officials, everybody just gets to

1369
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:48,119
jump on the different shuttles that they have to go

1370
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:50,559
back to the hotel. And when I got off the

1371
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,719
off the van, there was Alvarado and Rios like outside

1372
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,320
the hotel whereing the war wounds, both guys with badly

1373
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,320
fucking bruised and battered phases, but smiles from Brandon of

1374
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,400
course as the winner. And even in Alvarado, even though

1375
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:05,719
he had lost the fight, he knew he was in

1376
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,400
something special. And I just remember I've got pictures of

1377
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,880
those guys like on my phone, like standing outside the hotel,

1378
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,360
like smiling with these giant bruises on the fix. I mean,

1379
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,280
that's boxing when you can see these guys, you know,

1380
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:20,039
an hour or so after this legendary epic fight, and

1381
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:23,920
it led to a trilogy where they did it three times.

1382
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,679
I mean the third fight was unfortunately just a piece

1383
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:28,880
of shit. But the second fight was a high class,

1384
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:29,599
excellent fight.

1385
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: Also, but YouTube up the first one.

1386
01:02:32,639 --> 01:02:34,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, the second fight's the hell of a

1387
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,440
fight also maybe not at the same level of outrageous

1388
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,880
action as it was. And Alvarado got to win in

1389
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,599
the second fight, so it was two to two. He

1390
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,639
won a decision in the second fight, which was this

1391
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:48,039
fight was the first one was October of twelve. They

1392
01:02:48,039 --> 01:02:49,599
did the rematch as a main event. This was the

1393
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:51,639
undercard fight, but the main event was the second fight

1394
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,239
on HBO that I also covered at Mandela. Actually I

1395
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:56,800
covered all three fights. The Carson fight was one Mandala

1396
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,480
Bay for the excellent rematch that Alvarado won. And then

1397
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,480
in two thousand fifteen, when unfortunately Alvarado was having all

1398
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:05,079
kinds of legal issues, he was having his alcohol problems.

1399
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,239
He was in absolutely no condition. He trained about five

1400
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,159
minutes for the fight. They went to his hometown in Denver,

1401
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,599
and Brandon Rios knocked out on the third round in

1402
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:16,639
just a miserable you know, not Brandon's fault, but Mike

1403
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:19,440
just didn't show up. But the first two fights are

1404
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:21,199
very memorable. In the first fight, of course, is the

1405
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:22,760
best of all of them, and that was on this

1406
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,119
night that we're talking about in Carson all those years ago.

1407
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:28,840
Tremendous battle and definitely if he didn't see it, YouTube

1408
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,239
it up because it's a fucking classic.

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Speaker 1: Love it one more piece of nostalgia. It was twenty

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three years ago, also on Sunday, on October thirteenth of

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two thousand and one, where Mike Tyson went to Denmark

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and got a ko that's really set into motion the

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long delayed fight with Lenox Lewis. After that, what do

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we remember what was noteworthy about he and Brian Nielsen.

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Speaker 3: Well, when Tyson came back after the year biting against

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and Ander Holyfield, and then he had had a couple

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of fights in the United States, but people were kind

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of getting tired of the antics. He had had obviously

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tried to break France while both his arm. He had

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the no contest against Arlin Nooris. He basically was like,

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you know, he wasn't suspended, but Las Vegas was basically like, go,

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you know, get out of here. Basically. He then did

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two fights in a row in the UK where he

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had the wins against Julius Francis and lou Savaree, where

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he tried to keep punching Savaice after the ref stopped

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the fight, and that was not a good situation. Then

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he had the no contest where he made Angel go

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out to quit in the second round, which was the

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first Tyson by I covered in person where he got

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no contest because he later had a foul drug test

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was from marijuana, which at the time, you know, was

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was a cause for a no contest, still is in

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some jurisdictions. Anyway, after that fight, that was in October

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of twenty twenty a year later, people are still like,

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we want to see that a Lennix Lewis fight. That

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was still like a big deal. But again he wasn't

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really going to do business in Vegas. They didn't want

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him there, and he got a big offer to go

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fight Brian Nielson, who was sixty two to one at

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the time and the you know, the that the Danish

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national boxing hero. You know. Unfortunately for him, he was

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very very derisively referred to in the American media as

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the Danish pastry because he didn't really look like a fighter,

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had a nice mid section, and thought he was gonna

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be easy work for for Mike Tyson. His big claim

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to fame before that was he had defeated I guess

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he had defeated defeat Larry Holmes, maybe had gone over

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to Denmark also to fight him. Oh that was actually,

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I take it back, that was I think that was

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so that was before he had beaten Larry Holmes. I'm

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looking this, ye just looked like.

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Speaker 1: And one that's still remarkable that he had won that

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many fights.

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Speaker 3: That was Larry at the end of his career. But

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that was sort of like the big thing there, and

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he thought a ton of fights in in you know,

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in his home country. Anyway, it was a hand picked

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opponent for Tysons and they wanted to get him a

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win hopefully come out a controvert. Pretty much what happened.

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He went over there and Tyson took him apart actually

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on the undercard, not that it's a memorable fight, but

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the great Hall of Famer Joe Calzagi defended the Super

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mid Away title on that undercart. He had gone from

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Wales to fight in Denmark also. But Tyson took Brian

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Neilson out in the sixth round. But the key thing

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here is that finally with him having win won this fight,

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coming through without having any kind of wacky suspensions or

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any kind of issues. They got down to the real

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business of finally slowly but surely making the fight between

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Tyson and Lennox Lewis, which at the time was the

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biggest fight in the world. That was what everybody wanted

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to see, even though Mike was clearly passed his best.

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Even Lennox at that point was even though he was

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still champion, he was you know, he was getting on

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in years. So that was October. Finally October of two

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thousand and one, he beats Nielsen. Finally, June of two

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thousand and two, they have the Lennox Lewis fight. Obviously,

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there was the time where the fight was made in

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the earlier part of two thousand and two, where they

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had that bill conceived situation happened in New York City

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where Tyson bit Lennox Lewis and the brawl to announce

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the fight, it had to get postponed and moved because

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Vegas went licensed Tyson. It wound up in Memphis. The

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fight still happened, but he had to get through the

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Nielsen fight, and so while the fight itself is not memorable,

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it was critically important to the heavyweight division to boxing

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as a business and to fans around the world that

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wanted to see Lewis Tyson that the Danis patry got

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gobbled up. Tyson was finally about to get in the

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ring and do the fight with Lennox that was at

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the time the biggest money fighting history of the sport.

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Speaker 1: All right, listen, it has been a full show. It

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has been a full last few days. I mean, I'm

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at the point right now at the end of this

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Sunday night into Monday, where we've been through a hurricane

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and again there are hundreds of thousands still without power.

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Dan as I come back to the Tampa Bay area

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Sunday night after being in New Orleans for the NFL

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game with the Buccaneers. So this is not going to

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be right for a week, for months, for probably several

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months that we're going to be dealing with this in

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West central Florida, not one but two hurricanes, but some

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boxing normalcy here for you, and I thank you for

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helping me with some welcome distraction.

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Speaker 2: We love the sweet science.

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Speaker 1: You gave excellent analysis and at the end of the day,

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I would love to know how many people actually bought

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the Dezone under card pay per view. I can't believe

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it was that many when they found out they were

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being charged for it on Saturday and not even getting

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the better Bfbvol.

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Speaker 2: Main event as part of it. But listen, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Let's get ready for another week as we put the

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pieces together.

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Speaker 3: To your favorite fight coming up next week.

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Speaker 1: Listen, uh, Tim Zoo and it's still scheduled for Orlando,

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Tim Zoo in.

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Speaker 3: Action that that's not your favorite fight. Your favorite fight

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is William Skull against Vladimir Shaw for the vacant IVF

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Super Midleway topic.

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Speaker 1: We had We had gotten very close to a getaway

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here before you're bringing that up, Zoo in Action. We

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believe in Orlando as far as we know, and they

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took a hit with the Category two Hurricane Milton coming

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through on Thursday morning.

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Speaker 2: This fight still slated to be in Orlando, as Dan

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has been reporting, so we'll be talking about that later

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in the week as well.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, my friend, have a good week and

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appreciate to as always again follow, Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify.

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I am merely TJ Reeves for Dan Rayfield. You've been

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listening to the Fight Preach United Recap podcast