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Speaker 2: This show or I got twenty two brackets?
Speaker 1: Do you really?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: But Kono does so I'm rooting for him.
Speaker 1: Yes, does he really have twenty two brackets? He told
Speaker 1: me that you need a hobby.
Speaker 2: Kono, he needs a fan. Go spend time with your kids.
Speaker 1: Put in the deepot. Yeah, you have kids, for crying
Speaker 1: out loud.
Speaker 2: I did tell him A trick though, when you're doing
Speaker 2: March madness is to take.
Speaker 1: The to do one bracket is not the tip?
Speaker 2: No, I mean if you're doing it with kids, is
Speaker 2: you take the playpen and you turn it upside down
Speaker 2: and you tell him it's a fort and they have
Speaker 2: even less chance of getting out of that thing.
Speaker 1: My dad used to be a big proponent of what
Speaker 1: he called the pen. Put her in the pen, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: which is oddly similar to penitentiary.
Speaker 2: Which started the lifelong fear of doesn't that casery?
Speaker 1: Doesn't that sound kind of nice?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Being put in the pen for an afternoon, You just
Speaker 1: go sit there with your blanket and just chill.
Speaker 2: Bowl of water, where for you to go kibble or
Speaker 2: something like that to keep you busy? Why not welcome
Speaker 2: to Spring by the way, is it really yeah, it's
Speaker 2: here as of what two in the morning. I think
Speaker 2: it was something like that.
Speaker 1: Or you were in a tank top underneath that.
Speaker 2: I am not, I am not. I do not own
Speaker 2: tank tops.
Speaker 1: Well, we are on a bikini watch for you.
Speaker 2: Is that what we are on.
Speaker 1: You've got a vacation coming up in July.
Speaker 2: July.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there's no time like the present. It's March.
Speaker 2: The best time to start my exercise regimen was yesterday,
Speaker 2: and the second best time is today, right, Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a story that caught my eye and
Speaker 1: it was about well, we've talked about the fact that
Speaker 1: Southwest is doing away with the free bags, and the
Speaker 1: story was, like the stuff that people have packed in
Speaker 1: their checked bags on Southwest, why not take advantage of
Speaker 1: it if you don't have to pay for a check bag. Hell,
Speaker 1: let's fly Southwest and check that crap that we don't
Speaker 1: want to take with us.
Speaker 2: I used to think that the craziest thing I saw
Speaker 2: that same article, the craziest thing I'd ever seen packed
Speaker 2: for you know, for luggage, was a cooler like a
Speaker 2: styrofoam cooler, completely taped up so it wouldn't leak and
Speaker 2: it wouldn't wouldn't fall open of fish like from Alaska.
Speaker 2: And we were actually in Canada coming back into the
Speaker 2: United States, but people were flying with giant smart coolers
Speaker 2: full of fish. Very smart. But that was the weirdest
Speaker 2: thing I'd ever thought or I'd ever seen and thought,
Speaker 2: that's you can do that. I didn't know you could
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Right, So there's a bunch of stuff and I was wondering,
Speaker 1: is this a thing? Have you flown with? Something crazy?
Speaker 1: They gave some examples in this article that I'm failing
Speaker 1: to remember at this point, but it was odd, like
Speaker 1: wheel covers, a rim, a tire rim. Yeah, but just
Speaker 1: like the crazy things that you have packed in your
Speaker 1: check baggage, if anything, A child? Do you put a
Speaker 1: kid in there?
Speaker 2: Probably not not very many.
Speaker 1: You know, A cocaine Do you put cocaine in there?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let us know, use that talkback feature
Speaker 1: on that heart radio app.
Speaker 2: We'll be talking about the happiness ranking that came in
Speaker 2: about the United States. We've fallen even further down the list,
Speaker 2: Michael Monks is going to join us in the ten
Speaker 2: o'clock hour a couple things specifically out of City Hall,
Speaker 2: the homelessness oversight program that they're looking at. Oh and
Speaker 2: guess who's going to be short by about I'd say
Speaker 2: a billion dollars in our budget, the great City of
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. But we're going to continue to elect the
Speaker 2: same people over and over and over and over and over.
Speaker 2: We're always short on the budget. It's like the state budget.
Speaker 1: If nobody pays attention, nobody listens, it affects nobody. They
Speaker 1: hold a press conference once a year where they talk
Speaker 1: about the budget and how we're screwed, and then nothing
Speaker 1: ever comes of it.
Speaker 2: There's some fun, strange science stories that are coming up
Speaker 2: later this, later this or later in the show, including
Speaker 2: a woman who can smell disease, a very specific and
Speaker 2: very strong sense of smell. This woman has and she's
Speaker 2: developing breakthroughs.
Speaker 1: When it comes to Parkinson's, President Trump is expected to
Speaker 1: sign an executive order to close the Education Department. This
Speaker 1: is something he's been talking about for quite a bit.
Speaker 1: He's going to hold an event at the White House
Speaker 1: to get rid of this and pass on all the
Speaker 1: responsibility to the states. This is going to happen today,
Speaker 1: apparently the signing at one pm hour time. Now, this
Speaker 1: does require an Act of Congress formerly formally closing a department,
Speaker 1: but even without formally shutting it down, the Trump administration
Speaker 1: could make it nearly impossible for employees to do their jobs.
Speaker 2: This will be an interesting fight as it goes on, because,
Speaker 2: like you said, this will take an Act of Congress.
Speaker 2: This is also not something that's been around forever. I mean,
Speaker 2: this isn't even as old as I am. The Department
Speaker 2: of Education. And for a lot of people, they think
Speaker 2: that these departments that exist at the federal level have
Speaker 2: been around since seventeen eighty seven or whatever time you
Speaker 2: think that these departments were established. The Department of Education
Speaker 2: was established in nineteen seventy nine. It was Carter who
Speaker 2: established it after Congress passed the Department of Education Organization
Speaker 2: Act with bipartisan votes. Does the plan to diminish or
Speaker 2: disintegrate the Department of Education have enough votes in Congress?
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody's even asked that. I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's been a poll taken of members of
Speaker 2: Congress as to whether or not they would support this,
Speaker 2: But we do know that Republicans obviously hold the majorities
Speaker 2: in both the House and Senate, so if they fall
Speaker 2: in line behind the Republican president, that may actually take place.
Speaker 2: But it's going to be fought by multiple different agencies.
Speaker 2: We know the teachers' unions have already vowed that they
Speaker 2: would fight. Randy Whitegarten is the head of the American
Speaker 2: Federation of Teachers, says that she will sue the administration
Speaker 2: if it goes forward with these plans to obliterate the
Speaker 2: Department of Education.
Speaker 1: I looked into what is it that the Federal Department
Speaker 1: of Education does, and essentially the answer I got via
Speaker 1: the internet was manage money, which makes me very nervous.
Speaker 1: Of course, you're going to have the teachers' unions. Any
Speaker 1: sort of hit on the on education period is going
Speaker 1: to be fought by people in education because it's a
Speaker 1: slippery slope, isn't it. You get rid of the Department
Speaker 1: of Education, suddenly you're looking to cut other areas. That's
Speaker 1: just the way it is. You're going to put your
Speaker 1: hackles up as soon as someone comes for your industry.
Speaker 1: But in terms of what the US Department of Education does.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of federal student loans, things like that,
Speaker 1: meal programs, the things that your state are local departments
Speaker 1: of educations are concerned about as well. It is not
Speaker 1: as big as I thought it was. The Department of Education.
Speaker 1: We mentioned that a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: We saw the size of it at just about four
Speaker 2: thousand employees, I think, And that was before some of
Speaker 2: the cuts had been before some of the enticed retirements,
Speaker 2: you could call it before those two place.
Speaker 1: But if it comes down to processing student loans, for example,
Speaker 1: why do you need a human And I'm listen, I'm
Speaker 1: not advocating for robots to take over everyone's job, but
Speaker 1: that seems like something that could be run through a
Speaker 1: program and done without one of the four thousand people.
Speaker 2: What happens to the federal loan programs that are out
Speaker 2: there though? Too?
Speaker 1: They can still exist though, right, just using machines to
Speaker 1: process that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's got to be somebody. There's got to
Speaker 2: be somebody to answer the phones. The phone. He was
Speaker 2: using a phone. People use that phone anymore?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, No, everything's online, everything's done electronically. No one's answering
Speaker 1: the phone at the Department of Education to process.
Speaker 2: If I called you right now, would you answer the
Speaker 2: phone now?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. You can send me a text.
Speaker 2: But you know that I don't usually call you, so
Speaker 2: when I call you, it's usually something important, right.
Speaker 1: But I know that you didn't just get news that
Speaker 1: someone died. So if you called me right now, no,
Speaker 1: I would not answer.
Speaker 2: A little offended.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I wasn't with you right now and
Speaker 1: you called, yes, I would pick up the phone.
Speaker 2: Oh well, okay, are you.
Speaker 1: Just gonna randomly start calling now.
Speaker 2: Just to keep score During the week I called you
Speaker 2: eight times and you only answer.
Speaker 1: That'll be fun.
Speaker 2: Let us know, what's the craziest thing you put in
Speaker 2: your in your airline baggage? And by the way, you
Speaker 2: weren't too far off according to some of these that
Speaker 2: have already come.
Speaker 1: Oh really, weed, okay, no animals, children, children, Yes, I
Speaker 1: knew it. Listen, if I had a kid and there
Speaker 1: was space in that bag, a dead one, that's what
Speaker 1: it says. Jesus, it's a matter. This is why you
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So baby, why you don't pick up the phone? Baby,
Speaker 2: isn't enough, That's not crazy enough for me.
Speaker 1: I just started reading this book by Leanne Moriarty. I
Speaker 1: forget the name of it, but it's about I just
Speaker 1: started it. But it is a woman on a plane
Speaker 1: who is walking up and down the aisles telling people
Speaker 1: when they're going to die and what they're going to
Speaker 1: die of. And she says things like I expect heart
Speaker 1: failure age eighty three.
Speaker 2: She's the one who did big little lies. She is uh,
Speaker 2: here one moment, yes here, one moment, here, one moment.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 1: That's shout out to the Frozen River. A book I
Speaker 1: just finished, an excellent read.
Speaker 2: My wife is reading James. Oh yeah, I have that
Speaker 2: wory of Huck.
Speaker 1: Finn, not Jim's perspective exactly. It's acclaimed. It's been on
Speaker 1: the bestseller list now for like a million weeks.
Speaker 2: Have you read it?
Speaker 1: No, my aunt gave it to me. It's it's up,
Speaker 1: it's in the queue.
Speaker 2: Okay, excellent. When we come back, Gerald Posner, we've talked
Speaker 2: with the Geraldi four about the JFK files. We'll talk
Speaker 2: with him next about what we found in these tens
Speaker 2: of thousands of pages that were released this week.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 4: Am six forty.
Speaker 2: We've had the opportunity to speak with author Gerald Posner
Speaker 2: before regarding his book Case Closed, from back in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety three. In it, he contends that it was Lee
Speaker 2: Harvey Oswald that acted alone when it came to the
Speaker 2: assassination of JFK back in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 1: And that was the conclusion that the Warren Commission came to.
Speaker 1: Yet the conspiracy theories continued to abound throughout the years.
Speaker 1: It is a fascination of the generation of President Trump,
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. And one of his things
Speaker 1: that he wanted to have done was more files to
Speaker 1: be unredacted and released, and that is what happened this week.
Speaker 1: And as we talked about yesterday, you have to really
Speaker 1: be in the know to go through the weeds that
Speaker 1: are these documents and find any bombshells or any mildly
Speaker 1: interesting things. And we knew that it would take some days,
Speaker 1: and we just happened to know one of the people
Speaker 1: who has gone through all of the information painstakingly throughout
Speaker 1: the years and has come up with really all of
Speaker 1: the detail that we know surrounding the assassinations of JFK
Speaker 1: and Martin Luther King Junior as well and joins us Now, Gerald,
Speaker 1: good morning. Have you had a chance to pour through
Speaker 1: these thousands of documents, you know.
Speaker 5: Shannon, So, I'm about forty two thousand pages into the
Speaker 5: whole release.
Speaker 3: Believe it or not that I mean.
Speaker 5: I even tried to use AI at a couple of
Speaker 5: times to see if any of the AI chats would
Speaker 5: be able to if you sped document into them then say, well,
Speaker 5: this is new in the twenty twenty five release and
Speaker 5: it has never been seen before. But it just didn't
Speaker 5: work very well, or at least I wasn't able to
Speaker 5: master it.
Speaker 3: So I'm back to the old school.
Speaker 5: Way of doing it, which is, you know, looking each
Speaker 5: pdf the government puts out out, comparing it to what
Speaker 5: was published before, sometimes.
Speaker 3: To see what they have now declassified.
Speaker 5: It's a slow and torturous process. They don't even give
Speaker 5: you a finding aid, you know, to just search if
Speaker 5: you're looking for one person. So it takes a long time,
Speaker 5: and it's why you end up, by the way, with
Speaker 5: tabloid headlines like in the Daily Mail or on X
Speaker 5: or wherever else from some influencer then says, oh my god,
Speaker 5: you know the Russian warned three months before the assassination
Speaker 5: that Lee Harvey Oswo was going to kill JK, and
Speaker 5: no one listened because someone's reading through the fowles and
Speaker 5: they don't realize that claim was out, like, you know,
Speaker 5: thirty years ago and debunked a long time ago.
Speaker 3: But it looks like news to them. So you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of the things you see are old news.
Speaker 3: Some of it is interesting.
Speaker 5: About what the CIA might have had on surveillance on Oswald,
Speaker 5: but there's nothing in here that's earthshaking.
Speaker 3: And that's why I thought today.
Speaker 5: The headline in the Daily Mail was so fantastic. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you happen to see it, but it
Speaker 5: sort of was the indication to me that will never
Speaker 5: be over this. The Mail actually has a headline that
Speaker 5: says hidden bombshell on the JFK files.
Speaker 3: And then here's the quote. The JFK files apparently.
Speaker 5: Say nothing, and that says everything end quote, So they're saying, brilliant,
Speaker 5: No wonder, it's not in there, it's somewhere else, that's right.
Speaker 1: Is there something that you sat down when you were
Speaker 1: getting ready to pour over these pages that you sat
Speaker 1: down wondering is there a question mark? In your mind,
Speaker 1: even if it's the minute, even it's a minute detail,
Speaker 1: is there something that still is for you unanswered?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I was looking forward to see these
Speaker 5: pages that have been redacted, like thirty seven pages Mexican
Speaker 5: Intelligence sending information to the CIA about Oswald.
Speaker 3: Now you look at.
Speaker 5: It after the assassination and most of his newspaper clippings
Speaker 5: and public information. It's not like they had a secret
Speaker 5: agent inside the Cuban mission and said, by the way
Speaker 5: we tape recorded and when he was in Mexico City
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 3: So that was a bit disappointing.
Speaker 5: There's a nineteen sixty one memo from Arthur Sussinger, one
Speaker 5: of Jfkage's most trusted age, one of the best and
Speaker 5: brightest that's been out for years, in which Sussenger sort
Speaker 5: of criticizes.
Speaker 3: The CIA and says, you know that you've.
Speaker 5: Got to be careful with them and everything else. And
Speaker 5: then there's a page that's blanked out. So conspiracy theories
Speaker 5: have long thought and that page that's blanked out must
Speaker 5: be where Cesssenger says something like the CIA is trying
Speaker 5: to undercut your administration, mister president, you know, maybe you
Speaker 5: should disband them. And then the CIA learns about that,
Speaker 5: and they go ahead and in an Oliver Stone style,
Speaker 5: thought they killed the president. Well, we finally get that
Speaker 5: page declassified. I was interested, as he had said, and
Speaker 5: it turns out to be. This makes you to realize
Speaker 5: what these bureaucrats actually hold back for all these years
Speaker 5: about CIA staffing.
Speaker 3: The messenger is telling the.
Speaker 5: President that they have too many operatives, too many spooks
Speaker 5: in the Paris embassy under diplomatic cover. Of course, it's
Speaker 5: interesting that they are overstaffed with spies in Paris, not
Speaker 5: in like Nairobi or Delhi or someplace.
Speaker 3: They all want to go to Paris service spies.
Speaker 5: And also that they are using too many sources in
Speaker 5: these other countries in Latin America, and that so the
Speaker 5: CIA is holding that information back because they want don't
Speaker 5: want to disclose that they're staffing numbers or that to
Speaker 5: other countries, even decades afterwards. But meanwhile, people that it's
Speaker 5: natural human supposition that if you see something that's been
Speaker 5: blacked out with a black sharpie, you think that's where
Speaker 5: the real gold is. You want to see it, and
Speaker 5: then when it's revealed it's In this case, it was
Speaker 5: a letdown for most people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or someone's social Security number. I mean, we found
Speaker 2: out that was some of the things. Can you hang
Speaker 2: on one second, Gerald and come back for another segment
Speaker 2: because we have more questions? Yeah, absolutely, Gerald Posner, author
Speaker 2: of Case Closed. We'll talk about more about the JFK
Speaker 2: files that were released this week and maybe what we
Speaker 2: learn going forward, if there are more things that we
Speaker 2: can pull out of the government.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 4: AM six forty.
Speaker 2: We're talking with Gerald Posner, author of many books. Specifically today,
Speaker 2: we're interested in Cold Case, which was published back in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three about the assassination of John F. Kennedy Junior.
Speaker 2: How about John F. Kennedy Actually not Junior. I get
Speaker 2: for Kennedy Junior's tragedy, different story. So, Gerald, we were
Speaker 2: talking about these tens of thousands of documents released this
Speaker 2: week at the behest of President Trump, and there is
Speaker 2: I still have a hard time kind of wrapping my
Speaker 2: head around how much more there might be. I mean,
Speaker 2: if we're talking about somewhere between sixty and sixty five
Speaker 2: thousand documents that were released this week, are we looking
Speaker 2: at another tranch of sixty five thousand more that still
Speaker 2: could be released, or I mean, where do we stand
Speaker 2: in terms of how much we have seen versus how
Speaker 2: much still exists that we haven't seen.
Speaker 1: I don't think he can hear us. Oh maybe he's
Speaker 1: taking a break. Yeah, you know, I was thinking about.
Speaker 1: The good news for Gerald Posner and other people is
Speaker 1: that with a lack of information, you know, a continuous
Speaker 1: lack of all the answers, all the teas crossed in
Speaker 1: the eyes dotted, we can continue with our conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: I mean, mine, being my fan fiction, is that it
Speaker 1: was connected to the mafia and the CIA. Sounds like
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it together to get them killed because
Speaker 1: they were too worried about having fun in Paris.
Speaker 2: Government doesn't do anything great, so they never have done
Speaker 2: their job well. Kind of sounds like it. Gerald, we
Speaker 2: lost you there for.
Speaker 3: I did hear you?
Speaker 5: Gary and Shannon we both just said. By the way,
Speaker 5: you know, I was a political science maker to UC
Speaker 5: Berkeley years ago, and I sort of have the view
Speaker 5: of government that even when he tried to do something
Speaker 5: that's good for the public, like as building a homeless
Speaker 5: shelter freeway or affordable housing. It doesn't do it on
Speaker 5: time or on budget. Often they tried to kill Castro,
Speaker 5: the CEI did together with the mafia like seven or
Speaker 5: eight times.
Speaker 3: They never even wounded him.
Speaker 5: And so the idea of something that became the James
Speaker 5: Bonds of the world in Dallas and sixty three and
Speaker 5: pulled off the perfect crime might happen in Hollywood, but
Speaker 5: not in real life. And you did ask her, you know,
Speaker 5: sixty eighty thousand pages and now we're going to have
Speaker 5: another fifty thousand sitting there. No, the good news is
Speaker 5: this is really it. What I mean by that is,
Speaker 5: after Oliver Stone's film in nineteen nineteen ninety one, Congress
Speaker 5: passed this law that said all the government agencies have
Speaker 5: to take every assassination related file. So they were sending
Speaker 5: stuff over from the FBI that dealt with organized crime
Speaker 5: because people felt the mob might be behind Kennedy's murder.
Speaker 3: That had nothing to do with the assassination, but people wanted.
Speaker 5: To see the files on Johnny Rosselli or you know,
Speaker 5: one of the godfathers in Chicago or New Orleans. There's
Speaker 5: material in there that is only ten gentcy related to
Speaker 5: Kennedy's death. Millions of pages have been released over the years.
Speaker 5: This is the last batch that the CIA, Department of State,
Speaker 5: Department of Defense, FBI fought for some type.
Speaker 3: Of classification because they said, oh, it's going to.
Speaker 5: Disclose sources, assets, ways of getting information. Most of it,
Speaker 5: it's just chunk those arguments, and.
Speaker 3: They should have about years ago. But this is sort
Speaker 3: of the last thing.
Speaker 5: I think what's happened has been overhyped, not just by Trump,
Speaker 5: you know, who has a nature of, you know, sort
Speaker 5: of making it the next big deal.
Speaker 3: And here it is that now we have the assassination piles, but.
Speaker 5: The average person is stopping them on the streets and said,
Speaker 5: you know what about the jor k assassination. They may
Speaker 5: not know anything about it, but they've heard that there
Speaker 5: are some secret files in Washington. That's probably where the
Speaker 5: most diabolical secrets are. And I think many people will
Speaker 5: be disappointed because their expectations were so high for a
Speaker 5: big disclosure.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that this kind of keeps the door
Speaker 1: open for all of the pontificating about what happened. But
Speaker 1: you are so right when it comes to well a
Speaker 1: lot of things. But when you say that we of
Speaker 1: people a lot more credit than they deserve. You know,
Speaker 1: when you think about all the conspiracy theories running a rampant,
Speaker 1: if you're far left or you're far right on just
Speaker 1: x alone, you know, with the Democrats running their child
Speaker 1: sex ring out of a pizzeria. I mean, all the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists really do give people a lot of credit
Speaker 1: organizational credit alone, which just doesn't happen in the government.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, you have to write, and it's interesting, Shanon. I
Speaker 5: wrote a piece resc inly On I was substick called
Speaker 5: just the Facts. I watched too much Dragon It as
Speaker 5: a kid. But the peace on conspiracy theories and why
Speaker 5: they're so seductive. And that doesn't mean that I don't
Speaker 5: believe in conspiracies. I understand there are conspiracies, and sometimes
Speaker 5: the government conspires.
Speaker 3: Against the public good.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've lived long enough that in my lifetime
Speaker 5: I've seen consequential conspiracies that ended up unwrapping the lies
Speaker 5: over Vietnam, Watergate, Iran Contra, then the lies that led
Speaker 5: us into a rack over the weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker 5: I mean, public officials sometimes do against the public good,
Speaker 5: and it almost inevitably unravels, even if it takes years
Speaker 5: to happen. Somebody gets a guilty conscience, some scrap of
Speaker 5: evidence comes out from a file, a piece of paper.
Speaker 5: There's somebody who talks to a relative who shouldn't have talked,
Speaker 5: and then it comes out after their death, and that's
Speaker 5: why they don't stay secret forever. One of the reasons
Speaker 5: I think that people in the Kennedy assassination waited many
Speaker 5: years is they thought that there would be some deathback
Speaker 5: confession from somebody who was in a plot to kill
Speaker 5: the president. And here we are sixty two years later
Speaker 5: and there's only crickets. And that's because there just didn't
Speaker 5: happen that way.
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think we landed on the moon?
Speaker 3: Well not that, of course.
Speaker 5: That studio is not far from her YouTube brought right exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's where they did the autopsy of the Adian for
Speaker 5: Area fifty one as well.
Speaker 3: They reused that a number of times, and.
Speaker 2: They have a great commissary. I'll tell you that they
Speaker 2: used to.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it's like today, is there's budget
Speaker 5: cuts that may be only a shadow of it's form
Speaker 5: or so.
Speaker 1: This is a good follow by the way, I just
Speaker 1: subscribe to your sub stack. Just the facts with Gerald Posner.
Speaker 1: A lot of good stuff in here that has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the assassination of JFK. You do a
Speaker 1: lot of opinion pieces, so that's that's a good follow
Speaker 1: But you.
Speaker 3: Know, Shannon, so what you know somebody said to me recently.
Speaker 3: I love if somebody said to you me, you know.
Speaker 5: I disagree with you completely on JFK, but I agree
Speaker 5: with you on this or that or somebody else will.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on this free.
Speaker 5: Speech thing, but I can't stand you on this. And
Speaker 5: I say, I follow people on X and on other areas.
Speaker 5: I don't agree with anybody on everything that they say.
Speaker 5: I want to be challenged, occasioning with opinions that might
Speaker 5: be a little bit different than what I think, and
Speaker 5: that's how you get engaged with it. And so you know,
Speaker 5: somebody often comes to me because they've seen something I've
Speaker 5: written about free speech in Britain or wherever else. They
Speaker 5: and then the next thing I'm writing is something about
Speaker 5: the Kennedy assassination, and they say, I'm not interested in that.
Speaker 5: But I try to do an eclectic mix, and I
Speaker 5: like to hear from people that say, I think you're
Speaker 5: completely wrong about that. For X, Y and Z as
Speaker 5: long as they keep it polite, no like down the
Speaker 5: gutter name calling, and then we can have a discussion.
Speaker 5: So that's what it is out there.
Speaker 1: Funny the articles here featured is the truth about puberty blockers. Ironically,
Speaker 1: Gary and I were just talking to a friend recently
Speaker 1: who has a kid in middle school who was saying,
Speaker 1: there's at least a handful of kids who are identifying
Speaker 1: as transgender, and a couple of them who are on
Speaker 1: the puberty blockers. I would love to dig into that
Speaker 1: topic with you at some later time, because it's fascinating
Speaker 1: and you have researched that topic very well, and that
Speaker 1: would be We'll have to circle back and talk. Listen
Speaker 1: to me circling.
Speaker 3: Back, Shannon.
Speaker 5: No, But Shannon, I wrote that for the Wall Street
Speaker 5: Journal almost three years.
Speaker 3: Ago, the Truth about puberty blockers.
Speaker 5: It had come as a result of my work on
Speaker 5: the last book I did on the pharmaceutical industry. Because
Speaker 5: those drugs are prescribed off label, so they aren't prescribed
Speaker 5: for gender dysphoria for teens or children under the age
Speaker 5: of eighteen. They're prescribed for other purposes. But then doctors
Speaker 5: are allowed, in their wisdom to give drugs off label.
Speaker 5: Half the drugs in America are prescribed off label for
Speaker 5: other things, and puberty blockers are one of them. And
Speaker 5: then there's a litany of what the side effects are.
Speaker 5: Not for me just saying it, but from government accumulation
Speaker 5: of studies of women and children over a period of years,
Speaker 5: from bone loss to the fact that they aren't reversible
Speaker 5: and all it is. When I put that out was saying, hey,
Speaker 5: get the information before you make decisions that you think
Speaker 5: are easy, because I know I've been in the same situation.
Speaker 5: I come from Northern California, in which somebody will say
Speaker 5: to me, well, I'm just pausing their puberty and if
Speaker 5: they don't like what it is, they can restart it
Speaker 5: with no downside. It's not always quite so simple. So
Speaker 5: these decisions can sometimes have lifelong consequences, and you just
Speaker 5: have to be very careful as you go forward.
Speaker 1: And you did that three years ago, go and we've
Speaker 1: already got ago leaps and bounds in that department of
Speaker 1: three years, all right. Gerald Posner Poster, you can check
Speaker 1: him out there on Substack just the Fact stot Media.
Speaker 1: He has written books about the assassination of JFK As
Speaker 1: well as Martin Luther King Junior. We will have him back.
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking time for us today, Gary Shannon is
Speaker 2: always fantastic and maybe next time we can get.
Speaker 3: Together at that little studio that did the moon lighting
Speaker 3: and have lunch.
Speaker 2: Great Forstramia. I hear all right again, Gerald Posner There,
Speaker 2: Gary and Shannon will continue in just a moment.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 1: I sold this show as okay, so he just says
Speaker 1: to me, you didn't about adolescence, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, what's exactly what I sound like? Also, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you talking about? First of all,
Speaker 1: I totally sold it before I watch it because I
Speaker 1: heard it's much watch you have to see it. It's
Speaker 1: a single shot, because I know how much you like
Speaker 1: that when we talked about the Bear finale, how intense
Speaker 1: it makes it when it's a single shot and each
Speaker 1: episode is a single shot. I even said, Gary, they
Speaker 1: say that one of the actors and it says that
Speaker 1: they would just have to follow them on vehicles as
Speaker 1: they were shooting it to keep the single shot. And
Speaker 1: you said, huh, And I knew at that moment you
Speaker 1: weren't listening. But anyway, after I watched that four episode
Speaker 1: mess of a show, very well done, very well done,
Speaker 1: very well acted, but awful. I said to you yesterday,
Speaker 1: it's an awful show. I didn't need to watch it.
Speaker 1: You don't need to watch it. It's horrific. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: you feel good. Each episode makes you feel awful. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's not a good show. It's just you
Speaker 1: don't need to watch it. I wish I hadn't. And
Speaker 1: none of that registered. And you come in today you're like,
Speaker 1: you should have told me about the show.
Speaker 2: Say that part again. I didn't hear that part. Go
Speaker 2: back to the beginning. The kid is a phenomenal kid
Speaker 2: is unbelievable, and we're only one episode, Like, oh you are, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I'll stop talking.
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna give it away or because you're afraid
Speaker 2: of nothing to give away.
Speaker 1: It's just all awful but well done.
Speaker 2: But it's like I didn't need to see that, Like I,
Speaker 2: you'll get.
Speaker 1: It when you're when you finish, oh, or just don't
Speaker 1: or just abort and just get no.
Speaker 2: I don't think I can. I feel like I got
Speaker 2: to finish.
Speaker 1: Now, would you always do this with books and things,
Speaker 1: even if you don't like them, even.
Speaker 2: If it's a waste of my time? Is it a
Speaker 2: waste of my time?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's just hard. It's hard. That's fine, so we
Speaker 2: can do hard things like talk to Michael Monks. He's
Speaker 2: coming up next. Oh good, Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 1: Did that segment go just me yelling at you?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: It was my fault.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 2: I didn't listen to a word you said when you
Speaker 2: told me about the show. You and Deborah were vaguely
Speaker 2: when you and Deborah started talking about shows, it's usually
Speaker 2: a show that I would have no idea, no desire
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 1: You're being polite because usually we're talking about sex, and
Speaker 1: you want to be respectful.
Speaker 2: How am I going to interject anything when the two
Speaker 2: of you are talking about that. Your two broads are
Speaker 2: over there talking about slapping bodies together? What am I
Speaker 2: supposed to do over here? Okay?
Speaker 1: All right, Michael Monks, we'll be back right after this.
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