WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:09.240 on the iHeartRadio app. You should be on my d 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:10.439 your names on. 5 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:12.839 This show or I got twenty two brackets? 6 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:13.919 Do you really? 7 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:14.279 No? 8 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:16.879 But Kono does so I'm rooting for him. 9 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.359 Yes, does he really have twenty two brackets? He told 10 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:22.920 me that you need a hobby. 11 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.640 Kono, he needs a fan. Go spend time with your kids. 12 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:29.559 Put in the deepot. Yeah, you have kids, for crying 13 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:30.160 out loud. 14 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:32.039 I did tell him A trick though, when you're doing 15 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.119 March madness is to take. 16 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:36.399 The to do one bracket is not the tip? 17 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.039 No, I mean if you're doing it with kids, is 18 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.479 you take the playpen and you turn it upside down 19 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:46.000 and you tell him it's a fort and they have 20 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:47.759 even less chance of getting out of that thing. 21 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:50.759 My dad used to be a big proponent of what 22 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:54.119 he called the pen. Put her in the pen, oh yeah, 23 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.960 which is oddly similar to penitentiary. 24 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.039 Which started the lifelong fear of doesn't that casery? 25 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:04.400 Doesn't that sound kind of nice? 26 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:04.560 Now? 27 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:06.719 Being put in the pen for an afternoon, You just 28 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.200 go sit there with your blanket and just chill. 29 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:11.480 Bowl of water, where for you to go kibble or 30 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:13.799 something like that to keep you busy? Why not welcome 31 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.120 to Spring by the way, is it really yeah, it's 32 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:19.040 here as of what two in the morning. I think 33 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:19.840 it was something like that. 34 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:21.760 Or you were in a tank top underneath that. 35 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.400 I am not, I am not. I do not own 36 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:25.079 tank tops. 37 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.599 Well, we are on a bikini watch for you. 38 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:29.519 Is that what we are on. 39 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:31.319 You've got a vacation coming up in July. 40 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:32.159 July. 41 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.519 Yeah, Well, there's no time like the present. It's March. 42 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.760 The best time to start my exercise regimen was yesterday, 43 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:42.480 and the second best time is today, right, Okay. 44 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.879 Well, there was a story that caught my eye and 45 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:50.319 it was about well, we've talked about the fact that 46 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:54.560 Southwest is doing away with the free bags, and the 47 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:57.599 story was, like the stuff that people have packed in 48 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.920 their checked bags on Southwest, why not take advantage of 49 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:03.879 it if you don't have to pay for a check bag. Hell, 50 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.840 let's fly Southwest and check that crap that we don't 51 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:07.680 want to take with us. 52 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.280 I used to think that the craziest thing I saw 53 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.599 that same article, the craziest thing I'd ever seen packed 54 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:18.080 for you know, for luggage, was a cooler like a 55 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:22.680 styrofoam cooler, completely taped up so it wouldn't leak and 56 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:27.719 it wouldn't wouldn't fall open of fish like from Alaska. 57 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:29.919 And we were actually in Canada coming back into the 58 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.599 United States, but people were flying with giant smart coolers 59 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.479 full of fish. Very smart. But that was the weirdest 60 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.560 thing I'd ever thought or I'd ever seen and thought, 61 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:41.639 that's you can do that. I didn't know you could 62 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:42.159 do that. 63 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.400 Right, So there's a bunch of stuff and I was wondering, 64 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.680 is this a thing? Have you flown with? Something crazy? 65 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:53.719 They gave some examples in this article that I'm failing 66 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.560 to remember at this point, but it was odd, like 67 00:02:56.599 --> 00:03:01.400 wheel covers, a rim, a tire rim. Yeah, but just 68 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.919 like the crazy things that you have packed in your 69 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:07.360 check baggage, if anything, A child? Do you put a 70 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:07.960 kid in there? 71 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.280 Probably not not very many. 72 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:13.080 You know, A cocaine Do you put cocaine in there? 73 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:16.639 I don't know. Let us know, use that talkback feature 74 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:17.639 on that heart radio app. 75 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.319 We'll be talking about the happiness ranking that came in 76 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:25.199 about the United States. We've fallen even further down the list, 77 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:27.639 Michael Monks is going to join us in the ten 78 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.240 o'clock hour a couple things specifically out of City Hall, 79 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.159 the homelessness oversight program that they're looking at. Oh and 80 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:38.080 guess who's going to be short by about I'd say 81 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.159 a billion dollars in our budget, the great City of 82 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:44.719 Los Angeles. But we're going to continue to elect the 83 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.680 same people over and over and over and over and over. 84 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:50.240 We're always short on the budget. It's like the state budget. 85 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.360 If nobody pays attention, nobody listens, it affects nobody. They 86 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:55.360 hold a press conference once a year where they talk 87 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:57.879 about the budget and how we're screwed, and then nothing 88 00:03:57.919 --> 00:03:58.840 ever comes of it. 89 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.840 There's some fun, strange science stories that are coming up 90 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:07.280 later this, later this or later in the show, including 91 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:12.080 a woman who can smell disease, a very specific and 92 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.800 very strong sense of smell. This woman has and she's 93 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:17.399 developing breakthroughs. 94 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.959 When it comes to Parkinson's, President Trump is expected to 95 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.720 sign an executive order to close the Education Department. This 96 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:27.839 is something he's been talking about for quite a bit. 97 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.439 He's going to hold an event at the White House 98 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.560 to get rid of this and pass on all the 99 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:39.160 responsibility to the states. This is going to happen today, 100 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:45.399 apparently the signing at one pm hour time. Now, this 101 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:51.279 does require an Act of Congress formerly formally closing a department, 102 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:56.639 but even without formally shutting it down, the Trump administration 103 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.720 could make it nearly impossible for employees to do their jobs. 104 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.480 This will be an interesting fight as it goes on, because, 105 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:05.879 like you said, this will take an Act of Congress. 106 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.040 This is also not something that's been around forever. I mean, 107 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.439 this isn't even as old as I am. The Department 108 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.040 of Education. And for a lot of people, they think 109 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.480 that these departments that exist at the federal level have 110 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.399 been around since seventeen eighty seven or whatever time you 111 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:25.199 think that these departments were established. The Department of Education 112 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:30.680 was established in nineteen seventy nine. It was Carter who 113 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.839 established it after Congress passed the Department of Education Organization 114 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:39.560 Act with bipartisan votes. Does the plan to diminish or 115 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.600 disintegrate the Department of Education have enough votes in Congress? 116 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:45.920 I don't know if anybody's even asked that. I don't 117 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.920 know if there's been a poll taken of members of 118 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:50.759 Congress as to whether or not they would support this, 119 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.839 But we do know that Republicans obviously hold the majorities 120 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:56.360 in both the House and Senate, so if they fall 121 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:00.480 in line behind the Republican president, that may actually take place. 122 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:05.399 But it's going to be fought by multiple different agencies. 123 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.319 We know the teachers' unions have already vowed that they 124 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.279 would fight. Randy Whitegarten is the head of the American 125 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.800 Federation of Teachers, says that she will sue the administration 126 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.720 if it goes forward with these plans to obliterate the 127 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:19.720 Department of Education. 128 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:23.040 I looked into what is it that the Federal Department 129 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:26.839 of Education does, and essentially the answer I got via 130 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:30.040 the internet was manage money, which makes me very nervous. 131 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.839 Of course, you're going to have the teachers' unions. Any 132 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.240 sort of hit on the on education period is going 133 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.000 to be fought by people in education because it's a 134 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.480 slippery slope, isn't it. You get rid of the Department 135 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.319 of Education, suddenly you're looking to cut other areas. That's 136 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.160 just the way it is. You're going to put your 137 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.959 hackles up as soon as someone comes for your industry. 138 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.800 But in terms of what the US Department of Education does. 139 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.879 It's a lot of federal student loans, things like that, 140 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:01.319 meal programs, the things that your state are local departments 141 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:05.720 of educations are concerned about as well. It is not 142 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:08.439 as big as I thought it was. The Department of Education. 143 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:09.959 We mentioned that a couple of weeks ago. 144 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.399 We saw the size of it at just about four 145 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:16.040 thousand employees, I think, And that was before some of 146 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:21.959 the cuts had been before some of the enticed retirements, 147 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:23.560 you could call it before those two place. 148 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:27.920 But if it comes down to processing student loans, for example, 149 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.959 why do you need a human And I'm listen, I'm 150 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.680 not advocating for robots to take over everyone's job, but 151 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.279 that seems like something that could be run through a 152 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:41.160 program and done without one of the four thousand people. 153 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:43.839 What happens to the federal loan programs that are out 154 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:44.439 there though? Too? 155 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.399 They can still exist though, right, just using machines to 156 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:49.800 process that kind of stuff. 157 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:51.480 I mean, there's got to be somebody. There's got to 158 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.160 be somebody to answer the phones. The phone. He was 159 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:56.279 using a phone. People use that phone anymore? 160 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:56.560 No? 161 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:01.199 No, No, everything's online, everything's done electronically. No one's answering 162 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.480 the phone at the Department of Education to process. 163 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:05.839 If I called you right now, would you answer the 164 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:06.199 phone now? 165 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.720 Absolutely not. You can send me a text. 166 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:11.480 But you know that I don't usually call you, so 167 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.680 when I call you, it's usually something important, right. 168 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.240 But I know that you didn't just get news that 169 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.920 someone died. So if you called me right now, no, 170 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:19.160 I would not answer. 171 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:21.240 A little offended. 172 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:23.600 I mean, if I wasn't with you right now and 173 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:25.480 you called, yes, I would pick up the phone. 174 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:27.480 Oh well, okay, are you. 175 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:29.639 Just gonna randomly start calling now. 176 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:34.240 Just to keep score During the week I called you 177 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:35.519 eight times and you only answer. 178 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:36.679 That'll be fun. 179 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.080 Let us know, what's the craziest thing you put in 180 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:43.320 your in your airline baggage? And by the way, you 181 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:45.519 weren't too far off according to some of these that 182 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:46.120 have already come. 183 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:52.679 Oh really, weed, okay, no animals, children, children, Yes, I 184 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:55.440 knew it. Listen, if I had a kid and there 185 00:08:55.480 --> 00:09:00.600 was space in that bag, a dead one, that's what 186 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.600 it says. Jesus, it's a matter. This is why you 187 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:03.799 don't know. 188 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.000 Okay, So baby, why you don't pick up the phone? Baby, 189 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.120 isn't enough, That's not crazy enough for me. 190 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:12.519 I just started reading this book by Leanne Moriarty. I 191 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.000 forget the name of it, but it's about I just 192 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.399 started it. But it is a woman on a plane 193 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.960 who is walking up and down the aisles telling people 194 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:22.720 when they're going to die and what they're going to 195 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.720 die of. And she says things like I expect heart 196 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:27.240 failure age eighty three. 197 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:31.919 She's the one who did big little lies. She is uh, 198 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.360 here one moment, yes here, one moment, here, one moment. 199 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:36.639 That's nice. 200 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:38.919 That's shout out to the Frozen River. A book I 201 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:40.919 just finished, an excellent read. 202 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:44.080 My wife is reading James. Oh yeah, I have that 203 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.279 wory of Huck. 204 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.440 Finn, not Jim's perspective exactly. It's acclaimed. It's been on 205 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:52.759 the bestseller list now for like a million weeks. 206 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:53.320 Have you read it? 207 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.120 No, my aunt gave it to me. It's it's up, 208 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:55.840 it's in the queue. 209 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:59.440 Okay, excellent. When we come back, Gerald Posner, we've talked 210 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.039 with the Geraldi four about the JFK files. We'll talk 211 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.559 with him next about what we found in these tens 212 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:07.120 of thousands of pages that were released this week. 213 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.720 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 214 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:12.840 Am six forty. 215 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.039 We've had the opportunity to speak with author Gerald Posner 216 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:19.679 before regarding his book Case Closed, from back in nineteen 217 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:23.200 ninety three. In it, he contends that it was Lee 218 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.279 Harvey Oswald that acted alone when it came to the 219 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.960 assassination of JFK back in nineteen sixty three. 220 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.879 And that was the conclusion that the Warren Commission came to. 221 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.399 Yet the conspiracy theories continued to abound throughout the years. 222 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.360 It is a fascination of the generation of President Trump, 223 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:43.120 There's no doubt about that. And one of his things 224 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.559 that he wanted to have done was more files to 225 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:50.200 be unredacted and released, and that is what happened this week. 226 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.960 And as we talked about yesterday, you have to really 227 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.919 be in the know to go through the weeds that 228 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.799 are these documents and find any bombshells or any mildly 229 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:04.440 interesting things. And we knew that it would take some days, 230 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:07.039 and we just happened to know one of the people 231 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.759 who has gone through all of the information painstakingly throughout 232 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.559 the years and has come up with really all of 233 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:19.639 the detail that we know surrounding the assassinations of JFK 234 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:24.960 and Martin Luther King Junior as well and joins us Now, Gerald, 235 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.679 good morning. Have you had a chance to pour through 236 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.679 these thousands of documents, you know. 237 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:36.240 Shannon, So, I'm about forty two thousand pages into the 238 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:38.120 whole release. 239 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.080 Believe it or not that I mean. 240 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.440 I even tried to use AI at a couple of 241 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.840 times to see if any of the AI chats would 242 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:48.000 be able to if you sped document into them then say, well, 243 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:50.159 this is new in the twenty twenty five release and 244 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:52.679 it has never been seen before. But it just didn't 245 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.279 work very well, or at least I wasn't able to 246 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:54.720 master it. 247 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:56.919 So I'm back to the old school. 248 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.679 Way of doing it, which is, you know, looking each 249 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:01.600 pdf the government puts out out, comparing it to what 250 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:03.600 was published before, sometimes. 251 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.320 To see what they have now declassified. 252 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.360 It's a slow and torturous process. They don't even give 253 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:11.200 you a finding aid, you know, to just search if 254 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.960 you're looking for one person. So it takes a long time, 255 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:15.879 and it's why you end up, by the way, with 256 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.679 tabloid headlines like in the Daily Mail or on X 257 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.320 or wherever else from some influencer then says, oh my god, 258 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.840 you know the Russian warned three months before the assassination 259 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:29.080 that Lee Harvey Oswo was going to kill JK, and 260 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:31.960 no one listened because someone's reading through the fowles and 261 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:34.279 they don't realize that claim was out, like, you know, 262 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:36.559 thirty years ago and debunked a long time ago. 263 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.840 But it looks like news to them. So you know, 264 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:40.840 a lot of the things you see are old news. 265 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.159 Some of it is interesting. 266 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:46.159 About what the CIA might have had on surveillance on Oswald, 267 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.840 but there's nothing in here that's earthshaking. 268 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:51.399 And that's why I thought today. 269 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:55.120 The headline in the Daily Mail was so fantastic. I 270 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:57.320 don't know if you happen to see it, but it 271 00:12:57.399 --> 00:12:59.600 sort of was the indication to me that will never 272 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:01.720 be over this. The Mail actually has a headline that 273 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:04.080 says hidden bombshell on the JFK files. 274 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:07.879 And then here's the quote. The JFK files apparently. 275 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:12.879 Say nothing, and that says everything end quote, So they're saying, brilliant, 276 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:17.080 No wonder, it's not in there, it's somewhere else, that's right. 277 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:21.679 Is there something that you sat down when you were 278 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:23.919 getting ready to pour over these pages that you sat 279 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:27.440 down wondering is there a question mark? In your mind, 280 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:30.639 even if it's the minute, even it's a minute detail, 281 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.840 is there something that still is for you unanswered? 282 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:37.320 Yeah, I mean I was looking forward to see these 283 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.200 pages that have been redacted, like thirty seven pages Mexican 284 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.480 Intelligence sending information to the CIA about Oswald. 285 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:46.039 Now you look at. 286 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:49.000 It after the assassination and most of his newspaper clippings 287 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:51.720 and public information. It's not like they had a secret 288 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.080 agent inside the Cuban mission and said, by the way 289 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.440 we tape recorded and when he was in Mexico City 290 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:57.200 or something like that. 291 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.519 So that was a bit disappointing. 292 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.720 There's a nineteen sixty one memo from Arthur Sussinger, one 293 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.120 of Jfkage's most trusted age, one of the best and 294 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:09.960 brightest that's been out for years, in which Sussenger sort 295 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:11.480 of criticizes. 296 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.000 The CIA and says, you know that you've. 297 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:14.600 Got to be careful with them and everything else. And 298 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.919 then there's a page that's blanked out. So conspiracy theories 299 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.080 have long thought and that page that's blanked out must 300 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.840 be where Cesssenger says something like the CIA is trying 301 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:27.919 to undercut your administration, mister president, you know, maybe you 302 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.960 should disband them. And then the CIA learns about that, 303 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.799 and they go ahead and in an Oliver Stone style, 304 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:36.919 thought they killed the president. Well, we finally get that 305 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.519 page declassified. I was interested, as he had said, and 306 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:42.120 it turns out to be. This makes you to realize 307 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:44.759 what these bureaucrats actually hold back for all these years 308 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:46.559 about CIA staffing. 309 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:48.960 The messenger is telling the. 310 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:53.240 President that they have too many operatives, too many spooks 311 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:57.240 in the Paris embassy under diplomatic cover. Of course, it's 312 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:00.799 interesting that they are overstaffed with spies in Paris, not 313 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.679 in like Nairobi or Delhi or someplace. 314 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.759 They all want to go to Paris service spies. 315 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:08.279 And also that they are using too many sources in 316 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:10.440 these other countries in Latin America, and that so the 317 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:12.759 CIA is holding that information back because they want don't 318 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:16.120 want to disclose that they're staffing numbers or that to 319 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:21.639 other countries, even decades afterwards. But meanwhile, people that it's 320 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:26.360 natural human supposition that if you see something that's been 321 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.440 blacked out with a black sharpie, you think that's where 322 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:31.879 the real gold is. You want to see it, and 323 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.399 then when it's revealed it's In this case, it was 324 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:36.799 a letdown for most people. 325 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.600 Yeah, or someone's social Security number. I mean, we found 326 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.759 out that was some of the things. Can you hang 327 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.240 on one second, Gerald and come back for another segment 328 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:49.679 because we have more questions? Yeah, absolutely, Gerald Posner, author 329 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.679 of Case Closed. We'll talk about more about the JFK 330 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:55.120 files that were released this week and maybe what we 331 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.320 learn going forward, if there are more things that we 332 00:15:58.360 --> 00:15:59.759 can pull out of the government. 333 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:04.279 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 334 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:05.399 AM six forty. 335 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:10.919 We're talking with Gerald Posner, author of many books. Specifically today, 336 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.759 we're interested in Cold Case, which was published back in 337 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:18.000 nineteen ninety three about the assassination of John F. Kennedy Junior. 338 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:23.120 How about John F. Kennedy Actually not Junior. I get 339 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:28.279 for Kennedy Junior's tragedy, different story. So, Gerald, we were 340 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:31.600 talking about these tens of thousands of documents released this 341 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:35.840 week at the behest of President Trump, and there is 342 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.320 I still have a hard time kind of wrapping my 343 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:42.440 head around how much more there might be. I mean, 344 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.279 if we're talking about somewhere between sixty and sixty five 345 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.519 thousand documents that were released this week, are we looking 346 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:53.399 at another tranch of sixty five thousand more that still 347 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:55.840 could be released, or I mean, where do we stand 348 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.679 in terms of how much we have seen versus how 349 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:00.679 much still exists that we haven't seen. 350 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.160 I don't think he can hear us. Oh maybe he's 351 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.240 taking a break. Yeah, you know, I was thinking about. 352 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.599 The good news for Gerald Posner and other people is 353 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:16.960 that with a lack of information, you know, a continuous 354 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.400 lack of all the answers, all the teas crossed in 355 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:23.519 the eyes dotted, we can continue with our conspiracy theories. 356 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:28.000 I mean, mine, being my fan fiction, is that it 357 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:32.000 was connected to the mafia and the CIA. Sounds like 358 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:34.400 I couldn't get it together to get them killed because 359 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:36.559 they were too worried about having fun in Paris. 360 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.640 Government doesn't do anything great, so they never have done 361 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:43.799 their job well. Kind of sounds like it. Gerald, we 362 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:46.200 lost you there for. 363 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:48.640 I did hear you? 364 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:50.599 Gary and Shannon we both just said. By the way, 365 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:52.759 you know, I was a political science maker to UC 366 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:54.559 Berkeley years ago, and I sort of have the view 367 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:56.839 of government that even when he tried to do something 368 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.519 that's good for the public, like as building a homeless 369 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.000 shelter freeway or affordable housing. It doesn't do it on 370 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:06.440 time or on budget. Often they tried to kill Castro, 371 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.759 the CEI did together with the mafia like seven or 372 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:10.200 eight times. 373 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:11.359 They never even wounded him. 374 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.920 And so the idea of something that became the James 375 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.240 Bonds of the world in Dallas and sixty three and 376 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:19.039 pulled off the perfect crime might happen in Hollywood, but 377 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.039 not in real life. And you did ask her, you know, 378 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.880 sixty eighty thousand pages and now we're going to have 379 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:26.440 another fifty thousand sitting there. No, the good news is 380 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.599 this is really it. What I mean by that is, 381 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.400 after Oliver Stone's film in nineteen nineteen ninety one, Congress 382 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.200 passed this law that said all the government agencies have 383 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:38.799 to take every assassination related file. So they were sending 384 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.319 stuff over from the FBI that dealt with organized crime 385 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:44.160 because people felt the mob might be behind Kennedy's murder. 386 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.720 That had nothing to do with the assassination, but people wanted. 387 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.759 To see the files on Johnny Rosselli or you know, 388 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.559 one of the godfathers in Chicago or New Orleans. There's 389 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.799 material in there that is only ten gentcy related to 390 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:59.440 Kennedy's death. Millions of pages have been released over the years. 391 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:02.759 This is the last batch that the CIA, Department of State, 392 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:05.680 Department of Defense, FBI fought for some type. 393 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:07.960 Of classification because they said, oh, it's going to. 394 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.799 Disclose sources, assets, ways of getting information. Most of it, 395 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:13.920 it's just chunk those arguments, and. 396 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:15.960 They should have about years ago. But this is sort 397 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:16.480 of the last thing. 398 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:20.000 I think what's happened has been overhyped, not just by Trump, 399 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.480 you know, who has a nature of, you know, sort 400 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:23.720 of making it the next big deal. 401 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:27.240