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<v Speaker 1>In the week that Royalty visited Wakefield, a man who

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<v Speaker 1>is the namesake of Rugby League Royalty has announced he's

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<v Speaker 1>joining Wakefield in twenty twenty seven. Princess Kate headed to

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<v Speaker 1>Bellevue this week and that's basically a year ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>when Leeds Is Cameron Smith will leave for Wakefield. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more than one Cameron Smith in this world. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you knew that. I'm not content with

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<v Speaker 1>trips to Vegas and the Catalan region Wigan. Now want

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<v Speaker 1>to take Warrington to Dublin, where I'm sure Sam Burgess

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<v Speaker 1>will be more than welcome to dance on tables after

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<v Speaker 1>a loss. Welcome to the seventh seventh episode of Super

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<v Speaker 1>League three sixty, a podcast primarily about the British game.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lee Addison.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is John Davidson.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, Johnny. You've been a bit tired the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of weeks. I'd hate to keep you up

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<v Speaker 1>late when I'm getting up at daft o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing only heavy lifting and the breaking all the stories,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, promoting things get around the games, interviewing people.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, the only heavy lifting, the only heavy

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<v Speaker 1>lifting you're doing, is that head of yours? I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>coach in Australia, John a journo in the UK. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to know more about us, please read the

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<v Speaker 1>description or listen to old pods because we've got loads

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<v Speaker 1>to get through today. John So podcast has been aired

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<v Speaker 1>on the Ashes, Rugby League and Rugby League Coach podcast platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you're listening to those there, please gradually switch

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<v Speaker 1>over to Super League three sixty, which I think a

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<v Speaker 1>few of you are doing now, and also it will

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<v Speaker 1>be on YouTube on the Rugby League Coach channel. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I messed the video up a bit last week and

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<v Speaker 1>made it tiny, so John's head got smaller on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you check any of those things then you

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<v Speaker 1>won't miss a thing. John's tweet of the week quote

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<v Speaker 1>more shit takes about people with zero fucking clue close quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry about my profanity, but I'm quoting my friend here, John.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that about? John?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, just just when you read certain things in the

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<v Speaker 2>media from people who either should know better or shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be basically priding in the media.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're talking about rugby league media, I mean to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be honest, it's it's it's it's general media. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>say it's just rugby league with you, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think there are a lot of sometimes people interview players, coaches, officials, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and they just and nauseam just swallow what they're told.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't question, they don't sort of you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no sniff test, and they just reproduce it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that does anyone any good.

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby league tweet of the week at r L. Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>at Culmery Pimp said to Buzz Rothfield, who will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a bit in the r N r L segment,

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<v Speaker 1>said have you apologized to Madge yet? I assuming reference

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he said he was over coaching. Buzz

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<v Speaker 1>replied for pointing out he was over coaching them, they

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<v Speaker 1>won comp because he backed off you goose. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the rugby league. I should maybe call it rugby league

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<v Speaker 1>conversation of the week, Socials popper Lee of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been quiet. But on my YouTube channel at Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Counda eight nine eight four, and he had edited this too,

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, you comments does not make sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what you are talking about, and I replied,

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<v Speaker 1>neither does your writing. So it's been a quiet week.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been good. John. You've got some questions on social

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<v Speaker 1>media though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've got some feedback about this podcast episode. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>some really good news about Magic Weekend. Obviously, ticket sales

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're about forty seven thousand the top of

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<v Speaker 2>my head, I think the Hill Dickinson Stadium holds about

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two to fifty three, so it's on track to

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<v Speaker 2>be the biggest attendance in Magic Weekend history in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think off the top of my head, since

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<v Speaker 2>there's something around about sixty eight thousand over the two

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<v Speaker 2>days in Newcastle. But obviously it's in July, so we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a long way to go. But yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 2>there for the second Ash Test. It's a fantastic stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>My only complaint is that the Press Pops is about

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<v Speaker 2>and unfit as I am, it's a fair ever getting

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<v Speaker 2>up and down. But no, it's a fantastic stadium. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it creates a great atmosphere. Obviously Liverpool is a

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<v Speaker 2>is a great city to stay in and go out,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously Liverpool is a lot closer to Saint Helen's, Wigan,

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Warrington, a lot of those clubs. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>baiting for a great weekend in July. And it's funny

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<v Speaker 2>because there were certain people in Super in the RFL

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<v Speaker 2>who wanted to scrap Magic this year because it is

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<v Speaker 2>a loop fig sure, but it is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>It is a great concept. I've always been a big splorer,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously the NRL borrowed at shall we say, a

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<v Speaker 2>few years ago and it's been a big hit in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia and it's good that it's continuing and it's great

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<v Speaker 2>to see, you know, growing as an event. It's long

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<v Speaker 2>ever due.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they adding this fixture on?

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<v Speaker 2>I e.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's Wigan versus Saint Helen's, will that be the

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<v Speaker 1>third one of three?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? It is, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the only loot fixture, right, that's a bit weird,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. I guess the stadium experience that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people had last year was a positive. Also the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that England really aimed up in that game. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they weren't smart, but they played to football. They roughed,

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<v Speaker 1>They roughed Australia up a little bit and the game

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<v Speaker 1>was close for at least fifty five minutes so so,

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<v Speaker 1>and in terms of your comment about the press box

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<v Speaker 1>being in the sky, I mean all the press do

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need to sorry for again. I'm just call

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<v Speaker 1>so any other any other questions on on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we did have a we did have a quote

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<v Speaker 2>Bulls Challenge Cup tie which is not this Sunday but

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<v Speaker 2>the following Sunday. That is a very very juicy tie

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<v Speaker 2>and I will be at that game. I'm really looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to it. I've never been to the Cherry Red

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<v Speaker 2>Record Stadium or Plow Lane which is the home of

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<v Speaker 2>Wimbledon AFC in Southwest London. But yeah, there's obviously been

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<v Speaker 2>lots of chat and talk about the London Broncos side

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a you know, the best team that the

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<v Speaker 2>champions have ever had, and obviously it's coached by a

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<v Speaker 2>former and ROL coach and it's got an XCEN role

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<v Speaker 2>players and P and G internationals and et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's going to be a great tie, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a big challenge for Bradford who are going to Super League,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of people think they will struggle. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a beauty for the game. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be on a BBC on the R play,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, let's.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a good segue for us to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>where this podcast is going in the next couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>because the week after that it's not on the BBC. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but the they'll they'll they'll edit it too much and

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<v Speaker 1>make us change attack of what we're saying the the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the season's about to start, we're hoping we will

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<v Speaker 1>be going recording Sunday night. Monday. Man, it'd be out

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<v Speaker 1>Monday morning in the UK at some point on Monday

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<v Speaker 1>in in in England, in Australia. The Also, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing random podcasts at random times, so I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we just suggest people just click on whatever they

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<v Speaker 1>subscribe to Super E three sixty on Apple or Spotify

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<v Speaker 1>or and just check for the podcast because we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing bits more. We'll have the odd guests

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<v Speaker 1>on and because we're in the habit at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't we of everybody gets this on Friday, but I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what I'm saying is next week will probably be

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<v Speaker 1>the last Friday, and then well, no, it won't be

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<v Speaker 1>the last Friday. It will it will become at a

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<v Speaker 1>different time. I've made a massive botch of saying that

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<v Speaker 1>we're probably going to be recording on a different day there,

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<v Speaker 1>But we're also going to be doing more content, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are I mean the season, I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the charge CAP's been we're heading the third round. But

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<v Speaker 2>the season, as in the Super League season officially kicks

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<v Speaker 1>Two weeks, two weeks February the twelveth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the launch is next Wednesday, which I'll be at

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<v Speaker 2>in Manchester, and then I'll be at the opening game.

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<v Speaker 2>He will be drug by okay Are and then a

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<v Speaker 2>week later we've got the Brisbane Broncos and ok Are

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<v Speaker 2>in the World Cup Challenge, so lots of big juicy

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<v Speaker 2>ties to get stuck into.

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<v Speaker 1>John will be the intrepid reporter keep saying, is everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who's listened to you just think you sit on the

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<v Speaker 1>house all the time. But the key thing is people

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<v Speaker 1>are sending us quoquestions now. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>send me questions, you can email me Admin at Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>League Coach dot com to tay you or get me

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<v Speaker 1>at Rugby League Coach on Facebook, Instagram, well everywhere really

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<v Speaker 1>apart from X where I'm at RL coach on the net.

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<v Speaker 1>But please only message me on Instagram and Facebook. John.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get me on X Johnny d Davidson and

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<v Speaker 2>you can get me on Facebook at John Davidson Journalists.

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<v Speaker 2>We also had one last comment from Paul Franks who asked,

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<v Speaker 2>who is the next RFL CEO? Now I can't answer

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<v Speaker 2>that because I believe the process is still going on.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot of rumors about who has applied

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<v Speaker 2>for the position. The rumors include Warrington CEO, car Fitzpatrick

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<v Speaker 2>and okay, our CEO, Paul Lake, and I have actually

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to Carl and he denied that he applied, but

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<v Speaker 2>existing people of the RFL, which has known to happen before.

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<v Speaker 1>So John, I'd hate to you know, Trump you're here,

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<v Speaker 1>but a big high profile CEO in the Australian sporting

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<v Speaker 1>world called me this week for all the gossip if

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<v Speaker 1>you like, or all the word on the street of

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<v Speaker 1>what is happening in Super League and in the rugby

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<v Speaker 1>Football League and rugby league in England in general, because

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<v Speaker 1>he listens or watches this podcast and he spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big hitters in British rugby league a

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<v Speaker 1>day later, so when we stopped recording, I might tell

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<v Speaker 1>you who it is. Well, yes, there's interested everywhere that

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<v Speaker 1>you're yes, yes, And I think I think if this

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<v Speaker 1>guy was to get the job, well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's over in Australia, it will strengthen tie between

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<v Speaker 1>Australia and England in rugby league terms. His first name

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be shame with it. No, maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to ask him. And and it also would

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<v Speaker 1>be an excellent appointment that people would be really happy

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned that now I will be happy about everything, Lise.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people will be and some people won't be.

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<v Speaker 1>That's we're talking about not being happy. I am noting

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of players in Super League now that are

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<v Speaker 1>of stately caliber, and I am also very cognizant of

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<v Speaker 1>come under the RFL structure, the contracts that a duel

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<v Speaker 1>have been scrapped, a super League expanded from twelve to fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>all that kind of thing. My question on what one

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<v Speaker 1>using the path of leaf reef resistance when right in

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<v Speaker 1>their backyards there will be players in the championship and

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<v Speaker 1>So if you think about getting a player from overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to find them housing, You have to find kids, schools, flights,

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<v Speaker 1>flights home if they need those. It's quite expensive and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also quite a lot of work. That's just with

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<v Speaker 1>say four or five players. You need people on the

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<v Speaker 1>all the home comforts are ready for when you've flown

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<v Speaker 1>over okay as a player. So we used to do

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<v Speaker 1>this in England for NROL quality players and sometimes some

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<v Speaker 1>of the big hitters. Now it seems clubs are doing

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<v Speaker 1>In more and in more and more, on more and

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<v Speaker 1>more occasions. Why are clubs doing this John when England

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<v Speaker 1>was so poor, when England haven't won the Ashes or

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<v Speaker 1>a World Cup for fifty odd years, and there's players

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<v Speaker 1>underneath in the system. And it's got back to this

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<v Speaker 1>because it used to be used to be quite significant.

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<v Speaker 1>The top amateur teams were better than so many professional

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<v Speaker 1>teams twenty five thirty years ago. I think it's starting

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<v Speaker 1>to get back there a little bit now because I

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<v Speaker 1>know of many player who are choosing to drop to

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<v Speaker 1>the championship because they can work full time and then

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<v Speaker 1>earn something in the evening and then combine the two

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of money, they have a better lifestyle. But also

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<v Speaker 1>many of them have a loyalty to their amateur club

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<v Speaker 1>and also loyalty to the game as a as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a part of a community. Why aren't clubs spending

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<v Speaker 1>more time looking at what is in the backyard?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's a number of reasons in my

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<v Speaker 2>opinion for that. I think just a point on the

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<v Speaker 2>amateur teams. I don't think that gap is closing because

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the recent Challenge Cup results, you

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<v Speaker 2>know there was one hundred nils Nils.

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<v Speaker 1>But the team that wasn't That wasn't Worth Brow or

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<v Speaker 1>Fat o'heath or Thornhill or somebody in the somebody elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a there was a real mixture of.

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<v Speaker 1>Who did some of the not who did some of

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have to look at the fixture list of the

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<v Speaker 2>top of my head, but I know there was a

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<v Speaker 2>there was a list of amateur teams and they all

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<v Speaker 2>got you know, spanked. And I mean, it's not surprise

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<v Speaker 2>when you've got semi professionals against amateurs. It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>soccer where you can park the bus and play long bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that. It's more about that. It's more about

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<v Speaker 1>the system. John. It's more so. I know this week

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<v Speaker 1>or last week there might have been some results that

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<v Speaker 1>are are not great, but a seventeen year old or

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteen year old that's really talented but just missed

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<v Speaker 1>out on Super League selection for whatever reason, they might

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<v Speaker 1>decide to go down that pathway. So for the next

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<v Speaker 1>five years they may get less training, less professionalism, So

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<v Speaker 1>their standard of football is going to drop a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit over time, isn't it right? That's my point. This

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<v Speaker 1>isn't I don't think we can take a snapshot and

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<v Speaker 1>goal and goal this this is where we're at. You

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<v Speaker 1>said it yourself, and I'm going to I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>link in what I was going to bring in in

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<v Speaker 1>media watch. I went to bed last night. Just before

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<v Speaker 1>I fell asleep, something that really helped me ghostly was

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<v Speaker 1>an article that came through from John Davidson about the

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<v Speaker 1>rugby league brain drain in England.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me just before you continue on, that is

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<v Speaker 2>actually something I wrote four or five years ago which

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<v Speaker 2>popped up on my Facebook memories and I reread it

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought I'll repost this because I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just as permanent now as it was then.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you think of that brain drain, imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how many players have turned their back on the game

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<v Speaker 1>because of the lack of pathway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's not It's not just players, as

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote, it's coaches, it's people in marketing, it's journalists,

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<v Speaker 2>it's CEOs. Yeah, there's countless, countless people.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of looking at a snapshot in time, what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is, if there's a brain drain, can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine how many players are turning their back on the

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<v Speaker 1>game of rugby league in England because there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>overseas players and then imagine those players are state league

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<v Speaker 1>quality players. Yeah, no, it's a good point. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I've just bought the results of the second round of

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<v Speaker 1>Challenge Cup and there is a mixture in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the amateur teams. But keith Lee sixty six, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>is it Heworth or I don't even know where they

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<v Speaker 1>are at sixty six nil, Hands upbeat Sanging forty four nil.

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<v Speaker 1>Swinton Lions beat ince Ro's Bridge forty four to twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a competitive game. Barrow Road has beat Williamson

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<v Speaker 1>Dude seventy six to four. Sulford beat Hammersmith Hills Hoist

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<v Speaker 1>which is a kiweosie club in London forty two to

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<v Speaker 1>ten winners. Vikings be his Crusade seventy six nil. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not a result service.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the idea. But that's a snapshot in time,

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<v Speaker 1>John right. So some of those players at Wigan Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Dude's wat Brow wherever it is, eight years ago, nine

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, ten years ago, they may have decided I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to play for my amateur club. That's if

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<v Speaker 1>they stay in the game. If there's a brain drain

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going to feel it in playing stocks because

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<v Speaker 1>all in theory, all the better stocks will rise into

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<v Speaker 1>the professional ranks. Yet, so if you're going to if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to leave the game part of this brain

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<v Speaker 1>drain that you're talking about, you're more likely to stay

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<v Speaker 1>in it if you're going to get financially recompensed for

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<v Speaker 1>your work, aren't you. Yes, of course there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of rugby league players and there's a lot of sports

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<v Speaker 1>people in general who don't necessarily enjoy the game like

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<v Speaker 1>they used to, but they do it because they get

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<v Speaker 1>paid for it. So the brain drain. So I admit

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<v Speaker 1>I might have been wrong about the the closeness of

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<v Speaker 1>amateur clubs right now to English professional clubs, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm talking about the the chats I've had with

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<v Speaker 1>people over the years about people who've left the game,

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<v Speaker 1>people who could have played professionally. And I still go

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<v Speaker 1>back to my point, why aren't Why aren't we providing

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<v Speaker 1>a scenario that makes these players think that they have

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<v Speaker 1>a fair crack and instead, why are we getting state

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<v Speaker 1>league players?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's a great expense. Yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of reasons for that. I think partly. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the scanning and recruitment is quite of

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<v Speaker 2>a poor standard. I think some clubs just rely on

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<v Speaker 2>a handful of agents who have connections in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy, you just pick up the phone and go

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<v Speaker 1>who should we do? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And are there are exceptions to that rule and they

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<v Speaker 2>do fantastic recruitment and they have people on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>Australia and they have relationships and they recruit really well,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of them don't. A lot of them

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<v Speaker 2>it off YouTube or past performances. I think also there's

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<v Speaker 2>a belief and you could say this is right or wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean there's a lot of points to it

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<v Speaker 2>being right in many ways, but that doesn't mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>in every case. But there's a belief that the development

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<v Speaker 2>systems in Australia are better than the UK. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you get a twenty one year old half back from Redcliffe,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, not Redcliffe, I don't know, Tormba, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be better than a twenty one year old half

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<v Speaker 2>back from Sheffield because he's played at a higher standard

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<v Speaker 2>through his junior years, he's had a better level of coaching.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's another element. I think the other

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<v Speaker 2>element is obviously there is really no reserves football. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. There they played five or six games a year,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was scrapped years ago. It's kind of try

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<v Speaker 2>to be brought back but not really worked. So there

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<v Speaker 2>is a big gap for that academy level. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you end your academy level whatever it is, eighteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're not in a super league system as

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<v Speaker 2>in you're in not in that top thirty, or you're

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<v Speaker 2>not playing regularly, where do you go You go to

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<v Speaker 2>the championship or you either go on play amateur or

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<v Speaker 2>you effectively retired, don't you. So there's a big cut

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<v Speaker 2>off point at that level. Yeah, yeah, and that's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And people have been banging on that for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think that's how the issue. The other issue

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<v Speaker 2>is participation, Like participation is been declining, if not stagnant.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the fact that female participation has grown in

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<v Speaker 2>recent years, which they put together to say, oh, look

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<v Speaker 2>over or a participation is going all right, but it isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gone downhill. And the thing is there's not really

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<v Speaker 2>anything done by the head office to promote participation. Schools

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<v Speaker 2>rugby is almost non existent in my experience rugby league.

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<v Speaker 2>There isn't really like there is an Australia you know

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<v Speaker 2>rugby league schools. It's not pushed by schools even in

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<v Speaker 2>rugby league areas, and there's not really development offices. They've

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<v Speaker 2>all been sort of cut back in places like London

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<v Speaker 2>and the Newcastle and the Midlands. That was ten or

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<v Speaker 2>more years ago. The funding has gone, so we're not

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<v Speaker 2>really pushing, you know, trying to get kids picking up

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Steven's and then improving the overall participation. So

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<v Speaker 2>the playing boat is definitely reduced. The depth of talent

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<v Speaker 2>is not there. But I do agree with you Lee

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<v Speaker 2>in the sense that I think there is definitely plays

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<v Speaker 2>in the championship who could do a very good job.

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<v Speaker 2>There are like diamonds to be found to be polished.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think a lot of clubs probably think it's

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<v Speaker 2>safer to go with some ossie who's been in an

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<v Speaker 2>hour old system for a couple of years than you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It's lazy, it's path of least resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think it is. I think it is lazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that's the way, that's the way, and

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, I think a lot of fans probably

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<v Speaker 2>see that they'd rather have some ossie who's played two

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<v Speaker 2>games for the Newcastle Knights and most of his career

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<v Speaker 2>World Cup, then you know, a young junior from I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, Halifax, Like I think.

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<v Speaker 1>That there is that the turnout they turn out for

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<v Speaker 1>locals in their backyard.

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<v Speaker 2>Though oh yeah, I'm not saying that fans don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to see that. You know, their local juniors do well

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever. But you know there's all a seat on

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<v Speaker 2>social media the reaction. You know, we've signed so and

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<v Speaker 2>so from the NRL or so and so from Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>like he must be good. That's the kind of stereotype

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not always the case, as we know not.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know you mentioned about bringing players over, like

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<v Speaker 2>homesickness is a real thing, you know, the classic cultures.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people can't handle moving fifteen thousand miles across from

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the world away from their friends and family.

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<v Speaker 2>That they struggle. And also you know that the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>is a big thing. The way the game's refereen, there's

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<v Speaker 2>lots of things, there's lots of things to adjust. The

421
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<v Speaker 2>other I just add last the other thing I think

422
00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.599
<v Speaker 2>that there is an element is obviously the League One

423
00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:58.799
<v Speaker 2>is gone this year we have the Championship and League

424
00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.359
<v Speaker 2>One merge. But there's a bit of a watering down

425
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.599
<v Speaker 2>between the divisions, like it's not like where the NRL

426
00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:06.839
<v Speaker 2>is so far up here and then you have sort

427
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.039
<v Speaker 2>of new sols Queensland Cup and then you have you

428
00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.680
<v Speaker 2>know below that Ron Massy and you have your Group

429
00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.839
<v Speaker 2>nine and your Group eight whatever. Super League is not

430
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.079
<v Speaker 2>that far ahead of the Championships. It's not on a

431
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:19.599
<v Speaker 2>big pedestal. It would be.

432
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Great and the range of standards in the Championship will

433
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<v Speaker 1>be massive this year. I would have thought there'll be

434
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.079
<v Speaker 1>that's that's hard time teams playing against full time teams.

435
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've got you've got teams like London and Oldham

436
00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>who are I mean Oldham are full sorry London a

437
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.599
<v Speaker 2>full time. Oldham have got a lot of X full

438
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:39.839
<v Speaker 2>time players or you know, I've got a massive budget

439
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and then you'll have teams that are on you know,

440
00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:44.599
<v Speaker 2>an eighth of that budget or if not less. So

441
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.480
<v Speaker 2>there's already divisions within divisions and there will be in

442
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Super League you'll have whole KR and we're going to

443
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Leeds and then you'll have York and Bradford and Toulouse

444
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.519
<v Speaker 2>and there'll be light year between them. That's yeah. So

445
00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:00.680
<v Speaker 2>souper playing in Super League, isn't it attractive proposition? I

446
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 2>think if you're earning okay money as a part timer

447
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>in the Championship.

448
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Now Leeds did have a player called Cameron Smith though,

449
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and do have a player called Cameron Smith.

450
00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, correct you there, there's there's another famous Cameron Smith.

451
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:18.960
<v Speaker 1>It's that golfer.

452
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, with the mallet.

453
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I said, there's more than one Cameron Smith. I'll

454
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>correct you back, said one Cameron Smith talking about me.

455
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:31.759
<v Speaker 1>There's actually three we can think of.

456
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there's only one who is maybe the greatest

457
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:36.079
<v Speaker 2>rugby league player of falls.

458
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. I think you need more coke zero.

459
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:44.440
<v Speaker 1>So I was actually I was, I don't. I don't

460
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.400
<v Speaker 1>want to sound negative, but Cam Smith leaving Leeds I'm

461
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.400
<v Speaker 1>thinking which and our row clubs are signing for. And

462
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>also this thing that it's a year ahead of of

463
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>when he plays. I mean, rugby has got to get

464
00:25:59.039 --> 00:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>rid of.

465
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:04.119
<v Speaker 2>This and just in ra but it's also bizarre and

466
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>that he's on his testimonial year. He just had its

467
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 2>testimonial game against Bradford. So if you're on Leeds fan

468
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:11.079
<v Speaker 2>and you know he's leading at the end of the year,

469
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 2>you probably are you going to go on and support

470
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:15.160
<v Speaker 2>the testimonal.

471
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>And I assume one of the reasons he's going to

472
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Wakefield he was born and raised in Pontefract. I think

473
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>so when I was looking at the motivations, why he

474
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>might be doing that or has he become surplus to

475
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:26.599
<v Speaker 1>requirements at Leads.

476
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think my understanding is they've got

477
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.680
<v Speaker 2>they've got a good croup of long local juniors there.

478
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Presley Cassell is one of them, and they think they

479
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:38.759
<v Speaker 2>can get very value over some of those young players.

480
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 2>So they're sort of with some.

481
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:41.200
<v Speaker 1>State league players.

482
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it happens. It happens in Rugula League.

483
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Staying at Leeds Jared O'Connor after he featured on Super

484
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>League three sixty And I must apologize for the YouTube

485
00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>video that it was because I put these videos in first.

486
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.640
<v Speaker 1>That's how Jared O'Connor, son of Terry's saying at Leeds

487
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>for an other two years.

488
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a big not a big surprise. He

489
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 2>had his first child he's partner had his first child

490
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>last year. I think he's very settled in Leeds. I

491
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>think his partner's got a really good job and very

492
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.960
<v Speaker 2>close to his family. So you know, I think there's

493
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of interest, you know, from from Perth, from

494
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Many there was interest from Warrington, Catalans. He had an

495
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 2>approach from Hofc before so braided highly. But yeah, I

496
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.920
<v Speaker 2>think he is very happy where he is. And you

497
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.000
<v Speaker 2>know he's been at Leeds for five years and no

498
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 2>surprise that he put pen to paper for another two seasons.

499
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Ignacious Party is off to Witness, so he's dropping a division.

500
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one that's been bobbing around for a while.

501
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Had a number of people confirm that to me over

502
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Speaker 2>the weekend. He's been at and Helm's for a couple

503
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>of seasons now. Obviously he was sort of midway through there.

504
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Four came out from the New Zealand Warriors. But getting on.

505
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I think he's about thirty four now and he did

506
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 2>actually re sign with Saint Helens about November. I think

507
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.400
<v Speaker 2>must have been after Paul Wells are left. But obviously

508
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the talks and it wasn't a popular decision by the

509
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 2>sim Helens fans. I think they think they've seen the

510
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 2>best of him. So Witness seemed to be seem to

511
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>have had some new investment recently, quite active in the

512
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:30.200
<v Speaker 2>transfer market, and he looks like a player that they'll

513
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 2>either get either on loan or permanently. I'm not sure

514
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.119
<v Speaker 2>how that will wind up, but it looks very likely

515
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>in the new future.

516
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Zach Sinnia Cass has been offered out on long to

517
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>all the clubs as he found a home yet for

518
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:42.119
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six.

519
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>No, I know he's been offered to a few championship clubs,

520
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, obviously Cash just signed up. I can't remember

521
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 2>the guy's name, but they just signed a center from

522
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>well from the Newcastle Knights, and so I was cuptown.

523
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I think he played a couple of games in the NRL,

524
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>but they're fairly stopped at center, and obviously with Ryan

525
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Carr coming in, I think he wants to put his

526
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.799
<v Speaker 2>own stamp on the squad. So yeah, they are looking

527
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 2>to offload him at the moment.

528
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>So he's going to obviously struggle at this time of

529
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>year to find somewhere unless somebody can accommodate some of

530
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 1>his wageeroord assume as well. So Sheffield in that division

531
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 1>have some stadium issues. Yeah, they've been it's about two

532
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 1>and a half years.

533
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 2>They've been looking to build a new stadium on the

534
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 2>other side of Sheffield, on the sort of Dronfield. And

535
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 2>now the guy who owns Sheffield Eagles is Jeremy Levin,

536
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>who also owns Sheffield f C, which are off the

537
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 2>top of my head six or seventh division Association football team.

538
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>This proposed site that I have in Sheffield, I think

539
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.920
<v Speaker 2>basically they have been you know, people aren'thappy about the

540
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 2>trafficker woud add it would be a five thousand seat stadium,

541
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>a five thousand capacities adium, should I say, And the

542
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>council still hasn't approved anything, which is you know, a

543
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>year or more after so it seems like that's dead

544
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.519
<v Speaker 2>in the water and they're looking at another site which

545
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 2>is actually closer to where they are now at the

546
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Olympic Legacy Park, which is the old done Valley side.

547
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:19.319
<v Speaker 2>But the problem is where they are now it's just

548
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 2>it's one stand, there's nothing else. It's not a great ground.

549
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I watched the Sheffield Eagles game on the Eyeplayer on

550
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Sunday and they looked like there was about three people there,

551
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 2>which is not a great you know, it's not a

552
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>great look for you know, obviously Sheffield is not a

553
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:42.720
<v Speaker 2>rugby league city. It's dominated by Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday,

554
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>but it's a fairly big city and it's a place

555
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.920
<v Speaker 2>where there is potential. But it's just not happening there

556
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.240
<v Speaker 2>for the Eagles, and they were in Super League.

557
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:53.440
<v Speaker 1>It was a warm.

558
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Challenge Corp in ninety seven ninety eight, Wigan the biggest upset. Yeah,

559
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 2>so they do really need a new stadium, but it

560
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem to be happening. So yeah, it's not a

561
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>great bit of news for the Eagles.

562
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Oldham have some stadium dramas too, a bit of a.

563
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's been a bit reports and then Oldham come

564
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>out with a statement. There seems to be a bit

565
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 2>of a dispute between Oldham Rugby League Club and Oldham

566
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Athletic with Boundary Parker Stadium which they've started back sharing

567
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and it seems like their chairman Bill Quinn has been

568
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.200
<v Speaker 2>banned for a year so they can't play a Boundary

569
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Park at the moment, which is not great, but it's

570
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 2>just the rugby league is the sport that keeps on

571
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 2>giving the as you know.

572
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good play. Saddleworths is very nice there. Yeah, I've

573
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.559
<v Speaker 1>been to Saddleworth Rangers. This is nice.

574
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're going to get a couple

575
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.319
<v Speaker 2>of thousand in there, but.

576
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>You have to take ten on one side because of

577
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 1>the canal or whatever. Yeah. Is anyone firming for the

578
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>England job at all in your intrepid journalistic world.

579
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Not that I've heard about anyone. Obviously, there's been confirmation.

580
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Willie Peters has said publicly he's interested, Brad Arthur said

581
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 2>publickely he's interested. Many Pete said publicly he's not interested.

582
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, so one one organization in particular seems to be

583
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>interviewing anybody who's ever coached and then putting it out

584
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:22.559
<v Speaker 1>as a story.

585
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's that's just standard standard players there.

586
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there's no there's not been any talk behind

587
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 2>the scenes that I'm aware of. I mean, there isn't

588
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 2>a game before well before the World Cup, is it.

589
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Obviously they'll make a decision before there, but I don't

590
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 2>think they're in a massive hurry to make a decision

591
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>in the next few days or is the next no coach, no.

592
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>CEO, things are looking great. And then on the subjects

593
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 1>of things looking great, I think it was Steve Mascot

594
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>who did something this week about the Sky TV money.

595
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, in one of his columns he reported about some

596
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>conversations that had gone from some figures in Australia. Whether

597
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.559
<v Speaker 2>it was through IMG to those figures in Australia, I'm

598
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>not sure. Obviously it was Steve's columb but caused a

599
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 2>bit of disquiet. Basically the belief in Australia that Sky,

600
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>after obviously the TV deal super League TV deal ends

601
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the year. They're in talks with

602
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Sky and other prospective partners about a new deal, but

603
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 2>there is speculation down Under that after this next deal

604
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that Sky won't bid. So that, I mean, if that

605
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 2>is true, that is really worrying and dangerous.

606
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>It makes the concept of coming into bed with the

607
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>NRL even more crucial because well, I am of the

608
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>belief Peter Land is keen on the Super League for

609
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 1>TV deal purposes so that it can offer.

610
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, a global TV deal makes a lot

611
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.720
<v Speaker 2>of sense in many ways, and there are other there

612
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.440
<v Speaker 2>are other ways and reasons for why global kind of

613
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.319
<v Speaker 2>tie up works internationals, you know, big events in places

614
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 2>like London, et cetera. There's there's lots of types. But yeah,

615
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>if and it's obviously a big if at this stage.

616
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>But if Sky, you know, weren't to put in I

617
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 2>think it's twenty one twenty two million they're putting in

618
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 2>at the moment a year, the game, the professional game

619
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 2>would be in huge, have huge, huge issues. The problem

620
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.800
<v Speaker 2>is there isn't competitive tension. So if you're Sky, you

621
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 2>haven't got T and T or Paramount or de Owne

622
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Speaker 2>saying I will give them thirty or forty million quids.

623
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, people like, yeah, that's the thing. They're a business,

624
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 2>they're not a charity. So you know, Super League GARIFL

625
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.440
<v Speaker 2>rugby League, you can needs to get bigger, more popular,

626
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>more publicity to make itself more attractive to sponsors and broadcasters.

627
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 2>But unfortunately it hasn't well, it hasn't been really doing

628
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that for quite a long time.

629
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>In our show notes, you sent me a message NRL

630
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<v Speaker 1>in Las Vegas when the Americans are shooting everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>That was that was another part. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting point in Steve's column, and I think Christian Nikolis,

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<v Speaker 2>who I didn't see. I didn't read the story, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think he did a piece in the cnymore herold

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<v Speaker 2>about that. Maybe it was from the chief of Nevada

636
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<v Speaker 2>Police or chief of Las Vegas place saying everything will

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<v Speaker 2>be fine. But yeah, I think it's it's a legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>point in Steve's column. Obviously, Look, everyone who watches the

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<v Speaker 2>news can see what's happening in America at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of my French pretty fucking alarming, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>people getting shot in the streets left right in some city.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think, and actually it's it's It's interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>I was chatting to another journalist and to a super

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<v Speaker 2>leig CEO this week and he asked me, actually, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what had been the coverage of what's the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to Las Vegas from the English point of view

647
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<v Speaker 2>this year? And I think it's been a lot quieter

648
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<v Speaker 2>compared to last year because there's not there's for a

649
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<v Speaker 2>few reasons, there's not really an angle to this year. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Leeds and wholek are going. It's great for them, great

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<v Speaker 2>for their fans who are going, But what's the different

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<v Speaker 2>angle compared to twenty twenty five that was the first

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<v Speaker 2>ever Super League game in America, and you know it

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of bright, new and shiny, and Michael Buffer

655
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<v Speaker 2>was over and Wigan and saying let's get ready to rumble.

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<v Speaker 2>The build up hasn't been as big. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the political landscape in America how that shifted,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, war with Greenland, whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Read I'm ready and then let me finish. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there's been I've seen stories about you know, people being

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<v Speaker 2>turned back at least the strains being turned back with

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<v Speaker 2>visas at more to control because they check your social

663
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<v Speaker 2>media and if you've written anything anti Trump or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>then they send you're packing. So well, whether it's has

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<v Speaker 2>an effect or that in terms of the turnout in

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas, I don't know. We'll we'll find out. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's people askedpking to you who who you know aren't

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of go because of the climate over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Let's which which country do you want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about first? You want to talk about British going over

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<v Speaker 1>to America or Australians from Sydney going over to America?

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<v Speaker 1>Which ones do you want to start with first? Because

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney have have you do you do you consume the

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<v Speaker 1>news from Sydney in particular areas of western Sydney. The

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<v Speaker 1>place is like Chicago. There's people getting shot dead all

676
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<v Speaker 1>the time at the moment. I've done some deep analysis

677
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<v Speaker 1>of this over the last few years, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a TV series that came out, a drama over

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<v Speaker 1>a decade ago called Underbelly in Melbourne about the gangland

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<v Speaker 1>War in Melbourne in the early two thousands of late

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<v Speaker 1>nineties and in Sydney. What did you say? Sorry, so

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<v Speaker 1>there was more than.

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<v Speaker 2>A decade, but anyway, don't don't get you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, two decades. Yeah, but I compared

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of shootings in a two year period in

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney compared to the Melbourne Gangland War, and there's more

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<v Speaker 1>shootings in Sydney. So people in Sydney have probably statistically

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<v Speaker 1>got more chance of getting shot than people who travel

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<v Speaker 1>to Las Vegas. Now. The other thing is Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas is twenty three hours drive away from Minneapolis,

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<v Speaker 1>where there seems to have been a few a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of issues in the last few weeks. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>like people getting worried about traveling to Cairnes because people

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<v Speaker 1>are getting shot in Sydney, and you know that's ridiculous, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's absolutely ridiculous. So that's Australia, of all Britain.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't live in Britain anymore, and all I seem

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<v Speaker 1>to read about here about Watch is that London has

698
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<v Speaker 1>a knife problem. London has a stop and search problem

699
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<v Speaker 1>and the chances of you getting stabbed or whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>may be. So that again is another example of it's

701
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<v Speaker 1>going on. Things are going on in Britain now. I

702
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<v Speaker 1>go to London all the time and I feel really safe.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's great. But what I'm also acknowledging here

704
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<v Speaker 1>is that we get certain news items forced our way. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at the say the Trump approval rating

706
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<v Speaker 1>in the UK and Australia, it's very low. Yet the

707
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<v Speaker 1>man is obviously popular to an extent, so much he

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<v Speaker 1>got voted in for a second time. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's an element of hysteria going on. Ria is a

710
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<v Speaker 1>it's basically a continent, and there's a problem in There's

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<v Speaker 1>been a problem this week with ice enforcers in Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 1>What that has got to do with Las Vegas, I

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<v Speaker 1>really really really don't know. I really don't know have

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<v Speaker 1>you got an answer to me, because it'd be like

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<v Speaker 1>literally be like you're going to a Cowboys game and

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<v Speaker 1>being worried about and there's people in Canterbury Bankstown who

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<v Speaker 1>are going to Sydney and this is where in these

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<v Speaker 1>areas are a lot of where the dramas are.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of answers to that. Lee and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really want to get bogged down out and Money had

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<v Speaker 2>dickheads on social media. But I think by any measure,

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening in the USA, it is unstable from the

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<v Speaker 2>outside booking and people can disagree with that, that's that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there are people with the gitimate concerns

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<v Speaker 2>and the thing with us and when everything else it

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<v Speaker 2>is happening in other places, that's much just happening in

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<v Speaker 2>one city.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I know that. But anyway, Wigging and Warrington are

729
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<v Speaker 1>on about going to Dublin in twenty twenty seven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do we can play any games at home anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>You you joke, But someone actually posted a moan about

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<v Speaker 2>that on Facebook. You know, it's too expensive for going

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<v Speaker 2>duble And I hope they're refound the season ticke right, Look,

734
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<v Speaker 2>people have this weird obsession. You don't have to go

735
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<v Speaker 2>to every game like obviously if you've got a season ticket,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go to every home game. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be things like this, like Magic Weekend, like Vegas,

738
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<v Speaker 2>like playing in Paris. It's about growing the game, it's

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<v Speaker 2>about expanding it.

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<v Speaker 1>So but what's the strategy what we're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>in Dublin for the next ten years after being there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a different question because we're going and Warrington

743
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<v Speaker 2>don't run Super League, they're not in charge of the RFL.

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<v Speaker 1>So my point is you just said it's about growing

745
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<v Speaker 1>the game, John, It.

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<v Speaker 2>Is about growing the game because I think rugby league

747
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<v Speaker 2>in Ireland actually has a There is potential there because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very successful rugby union country. It's got strong

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<v Speaker 2>heritage links to the UK. There's a lot of players actually,

750
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<v Speaker 2>even Australian players who can play for Ireland. The connect

751
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<v Speaker 2>as I said, the connections are really strong. It's a

752
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<v Speaker 2>great place to live, it's a sporting country and I

753
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<v Speaker 2>think there is potential there. So I think having a

754
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<v Speaker 2>Super Leigue game in Dublin would not only interest some

755
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<v Speaker 2>people locals in the city, if it's marketed right, if

756
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<v Speaker 2>it's pushed right, and yeah, I mean we're great. It'd

757
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<v Speaker 2>be great to have a ten year strategy, which is, okay,

758
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have a game this year and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to do this to that. That's probably wishful thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>But even to be honest, should it shouldn't be?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it should it shouldn't be. But look, we all know,

762
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<v Speaker 2>we all know how these things go. We don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to get bombed out of that. But look, even if

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<v Speaker 2>it is literally I'm going to go over to Dublin,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with my family or whatever and have a

766
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<v Speaker 2>good time. Much like Magic Weekend. That's great too. Like

767
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.480
<v Speaker 2>it happens in Brisbane, doesn't it in the Magic Round

768
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.679
<v Speaker 2>and it gets people from all over Australia, New Zealand.

769
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<v Speaker 2>I go to it's a party in Brisbane for a

770
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<v Speaker 2>couple of days. Don't make a weekend of it in Dublin.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, maybe fans, maybe it'll build a TV

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<v Speaker 2>audience in Ireland. Look, I think you've got to try things.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no dramas with all that, I have no

774
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<v Speaker 2>dramas with all that. It'll be it'll be something exciting,

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<v Speaker 2>something different to look out. My problem is a lack

776
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<v Speaker 2>of long term development on the back of it. Ie,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been to this rugby league game, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>touch point. Yeah, then you've loved it. Here's how you

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<v Speaker 2>consume it now, Lee, I've said this. Yeah, the reason

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get bogged because I've said it and

781
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 2>written it for so many years. But it's the same

782
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<v Speaker 2>with the Challenge Cup final in London, same with the

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<v Speaker 2>First Ashes Test. It should have been people with London

784
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<v Speaker 2>Bronco merch or pushing tickets or saying, you know, here's

785
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.719
<v Speaker 2>your local rugby league team. You know, England should have

786
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.840
<v Speaker 2>been out doing clinics in the schools before the game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's lots of community and issues we could be

789
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>doing and should be doing, but there's not generally someone

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<v Speaker 2>at head office who's organizing this or demanding it or

791
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 2>coming up with these strategies. But look, you've got to

792
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<v Speaker 2>start somewhere. And I think, you know, Dublin is a

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in Dublin many times. Great city. I think

794
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<v Speaker 2>the arena I've not been there. I've been to Croak Park.

795
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<v Speaker 2>I think I did the tour there once. But obviously

796
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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to get one hundred thousand in for

797
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<v Speaker 2>for Wigan and Warrington, but the yas arendas where links

798
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<v Speaker 2>to play and I think it's about eighteen five hundred,

799
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<v Speaker 2>so it's a good good size. Yeah, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a win win for rugby league and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the whole k are. I don't know when they'll

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<v Speaker 1>play at home with all their jobs everywhere, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>choking about Amsterdam against twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they played in Amsterdam against York in twenty twenty

805
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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, sorry, in January. That was the first of

806
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<v Speaker 2>the kind of a plan mention. Obviously, they won the

807
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<v Speaker 2>title and they went to the going to Vegas and

808
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>they've got a World Cup challenge. So it's a bit

809
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.280
<v Speaker 2>too crowded the schedule this year. But Amsterdam again is

810
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<v Speaker 2>another one. Obviously it's a short ferry ride from Hull

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<v Speaker 2>to Amsterdam. It's a great city. There is you know,

812
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<v Speaker 2>a Dutch rugby league association. There's a lot of rugby

813
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<v Speaker 2>union players there. They're trying to grow the game there

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't remember exactly what the crowd was but

815
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<v Speaker 2>it was something like two thousand ish, So again, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's just a fun away day I think

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to create these events for people because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Lee like the way sport's gone in this century more recently,

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<v Speaker 2>it's two events, isn't it. Yeah, that's why you get

820
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<v Speaker 2>your mic Tyson and your your Jake Paul and these

821
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<v Speaker 2>kind of circuses.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that tennis game where the events it's not

823
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<v Speaker 1>it's moved away from that traditional kind of you know,

824
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<v Speaker 1>part two events essentially, So you've got to you've got

825
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to move with the times. I think most podcasts at

826
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<v Speaker 1>the moment in the rugby league world are doing season previews.

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<v Speaker 1>We're more nuanced on that, John, We are more developed,

828
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<v Speaker 1>we are more challenging. But we're going to preview the

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<v Speaker 1>teams and want to choose seven this week from the

830
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:38.960
<v Speaker 1>fixture list, the first seven, and then we'll do the

831
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<v Speaker 1>next seven in the in before the season starts at least,

832
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<v Speaker 1>and we'll just but we'll just have to be quick

833
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<v Speaker 1>fire a suppose. So, how are York now it's going

834
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<v Speaker 1>to go this year? And who she will look out for?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean that's they're going to struggle. I think

836
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a huge They've never played the

837
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Super League before, They've got a lot of you know,

838
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>players who were semi pro for most of their career.

839
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:04.599
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a huge step up for them.

840
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 2>I think they'll be in that bottom you know three

841
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:11.159
<v Speaker 2>or four teams. You know, they've got some some Super

842
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:13.719
<v Speaker 2>League and some experience in there, and the likes of

843
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Paul Vaughan and Josh Griffin. But yeah, it's going to

844
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:21.719
<v Speaker 2>be a tough year for them. I think again talking

845
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.639
<v Speaker 2>about new markets, like, I think it's great the Super

846
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:25.880
<v Speaker 2>League's going to York. I think there is potential in

847
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 2>that area, but it will be hard for them on

848
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:29.039
<v Speaker 2>the field.

849
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Are Yeah.

850
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think they're well primed to defend their title.

851
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.719
<v Speaker 2>I think they'll be in the top two or three.

852
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 2>They've obviously lost some experience in Joe Burrea Hargroves and

853
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Mickey mclaurum, and they've let Calepie Tangan go to Warrington.

854
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:51.599
<v Speaker 2>But they've got Lawton in from North Queensland. They've got

855
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.920
<v Speaker 2>very you know, strong squad across you know, their spine,

856
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 2>their forward pack, their back line, a lot of experience there,

857
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 2>the likes of Michael Lewis, Jes Litton a year older,

858
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 2>you know England internationals. I think yeah, I think they

859
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:07.559
<v Speaker 2>can have another very successful year.

860
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Catalans are an interesting one because first preseason under a

861
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:11.760
<v Speaker 1>new coach.

862
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean they could be anything. They could

863
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:18.960
<v Speaker 2>be a top fourteen, they could be a bottom four team.

864
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.960
<v Speaker 2>It was a pretty disastrous year for them last year's seven,

865
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>mcnamary getting sacked. Joel Thumpkin's coming in and they've basically

866
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.960
<v Speaker 2>gutted the squad. You know, they've got Lewis Dodd, Toby Sexton, Tino,

867
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Tino's brother Isaac, Charlie Stains. It's a real kind of

868
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.599
<v Speaker 2>weird mishmash kind of squad with some a couple of

869
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.559
<v Speaker 2>French players in there as well, and it's really hard

870
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.639
<v Speaker 2>to see how they're they're going to go. I mean,

871
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>it's going to take them a while to gel and

872
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>and some of those players like Sexton and I can't

873
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 2>pronounce his name. You pronounced it for me, brother.

874
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Isaac oh Fa solum Alawe.

875
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that was mad. Yeah, I mean him

876
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and Tob Sex and they are going to Perth next

877
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 2>year anyway, so they're not there in perpin On very long.

878
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they'll make the playoffs. I think they'll

879
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 2>be mid table.

880
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Ish, but I should have made you do predictions and

881
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 1>hould you to account.

882
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think it'll be a difficult season

883
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 2>for them. I think they'll struggle.

884
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Holdersfield going to be unleashed.

885
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Again. I mean Huddersfield last year was basically fucking horrible

886
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:30.400
<v Speaker 2>for them. It's been pretty bad for a few years.

887
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.639
<v Speaker 2>I think it really depends on injuries. They've had a

888
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of injuries the last couple yes, that seem quite cursed.

889
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Their recruitment's been okay, but I can't see them making

890
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:46.079
<v Speaker 2>the top six. I can see them finishing seventh, eighth,

891
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.480
<v Speaker 2>ninth maybe and probably getting more wins this year than

892
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:53.559
<v Speaker 2>they had last year. But again, it will won't be easy.

893
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot more right on George Flanigan junior.

894
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 2>They're fullback who I think is one of the best

895
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:02.800
<v Speaker 2>young British players coming through. Quite exciting to watch. But

896
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.480
<v Speaker 2>yeah they Oh yeah, I can't see a top six.

897
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:08.639
<v Speaker 1>I have to think it's a really big time in

898
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the history of the club quite frankly, with the potential

899
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>change of ground and whatnot. Warrington Wolves a big year

900
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 1>for them, big year for Sam Burgess because they slipped. Yeah,

901
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 1>pressures on a bit, Yeah, pressures on him and he

902
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.840
<v Speaker 1>was inches away from getting sacked. And obviously Steve McNamara's

903
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.679
<v Speaker 1>coming as his assistant. Apparently he's doing a great job.

904
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:32.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, George Williams leaving at the end of the year,

905
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of changes pulled, one gone, that Dufty gone,

906
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:40.599
<v Speaker 2>some issues with discipline last year, so yeah, they they

907
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.920
<v Speaker 2>need to improve, they need to fire and make the

908
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.280
<v Speaker 2>top six. I think if things don't go well there early,

909
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised to see a change.

910
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 1>And it's an easy change because Steve McNamara was the

911
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:54.320
<v Speaker 1>assistant coach.

912
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly and I don't think I'll have to check this,

913
00:50:57.880 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think Sam Burgess has got a contract

914
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.679
<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty seven. I think his contract ends at

915
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:06.239
<v Speaker 2>the end of this year. I could be wrong about that,

916
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.880
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I think I think Warrington need to need

917
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.679
<v Speaker 2>to start well. They've still got, you know, some great

918
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:18.480
<v Speaker 2>players at that team. You and Irwin's a really exciting

919
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 2>young halfback, one that Andrew Johnson's you know, sort of

920
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.400
<v Speaker 2>nominated as as an exciting prospect, so hopefully he gets

921
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 2>some game time. Kate Taylor Ray, the fullback, is also

922
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.639
<v Speaker 2>a young talent, so yeah, interesting times for the Wolves.

923
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Saint Helens have a new coach, Paul Rowley.

924
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah again, big change there, Paul Rowley coming in, Willans

925
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:49.400
<v Speaker 2>getting moved on, a club legend, Jackson Astin's coming in.

926
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 2>They had really problems with their spine last year, so

927
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Haston comes in. They've still got Lomax there, who's obviously

928
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, there was some issues with the attack and

929
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.760
<v Speaker 2>they tried to move wells be around Tristan Saylor didn't

930
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.559
<v Speaker 2>really work as a six. Yeah, Saint Allen's is a

931
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>really interesting one. They've They've lost a few players, a

932
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 2>few back rollers have left on the holf c born In,

933
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Dave Klamor and Jacob host from from Australia. It's hard

934
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.159
<v Speaker 2>to really get a finger on how they're going to

935
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.000
<v Speaker 2>perform this year. I mean, they scraped into the six

936
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 2>and they were only one went away from a Grand Final.

937
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 2>But I think they probably overachieved. And yeah, I'm not

938
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:33.480
<v Speaker 2>expecting them to be a top three, top two club.

939
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:37.840
<v Speaker 1>But in the last club, sorry the last club'll talk

940
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:39.159
<v Speaker 1>about Todaily Leopards.

941
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they've been rising for a couple of years.

942
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:47.519
<v Speaker 2>Adrian Land has done a fantastic job there and I yeah,

943
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:49.320
<v Speaker 2>I think they will be in that top four. I

944
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:53.320
<v Speaker 2>think it'll be challenging for league leaders. Still got a

945
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 2>very strong spine there, lock A Lamb, great half back,

946
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.159
<v Speaker 2>to Pape, great hooker. They've got some really really strong

947
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.679
<v Speaker 2>forwards there and the fullback dive of Armstrom coming back

948
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:11.480
<v Speaker 2>from injury who sadly got injured last year. But he's

949
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 2>a talent as well. So I think they can have

950
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:14.280
<v Speaker 2>a really good season.

951
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Over to Australia for a little bit, I genuinely think,

952
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and this is part of media watch, but it's also

953
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 1>when our l news. I think the biggest news in

954
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Australia this week rugby league wise is that Buzz Rowfield

955
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Phil Rothfield retiring after fifty years as the, if you like,

956
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the main rugby league journalist at the Daily Telegraph and

957
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.440
<v Speaker 1>a latter years has been a TV personality as well

958
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 1>as a journalist. How do you reflect on somebody like

959
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Buzz Rothfield his career and the fact that he's putting

960
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:46.519
<v Speaker 1>the pen away.

961
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he's had a very long career. I

962
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:55.079
<v Speaker 2>think has probably been a polarizing figure. Yeah, for kind

963
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.719
<v Speaker 2>of a love hype figure for a lot of fans.

964
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I think he's been an expert Lloyd hack in the

965
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.880
<v Speaker 2>sense that he's very good at gathering news, a lot

966
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.159
<v Speaker 2>of contacts, a lot of sources. I did have a

967
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Speaker 2>little bit to do with him in Las Vegas last year,

968
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:11.199
<v Speaker 2>which go into but.

969
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know was he was he good to deal

970
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 1>with or was he Ah, well he was wrong about me?

971
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.159
<v Speaker 2>He was relatively good to deal with. Yeah. Was he fair?

972
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.679
<v Speaker 2>He was fair? He was fair actually, But look, I

973
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 2>know other people who have claimed he hasn't been fair.

974
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I've read a lot of the work I think, love

975
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:32.199
<v Speaker 2>him or hating him, He's definitely, as you said, he's

976
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:34.639
<v Speaker 2>been an institution of Rugby leagu journalism.

977
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 1>For Is he somebody that you looked to, looked up

978
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 1>to as a kid? I suppose, or are you not?

979
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Probably someone I would say I looked up to in

980
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.400
<v Speaker 2>terms of my own style. But I definitely respect his

981
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.079
<v Speaker 2>ability to break news, and I think he's always probably

982
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:55.679
<v Speaker 2>been fairly fearless, you know, in terms of copying criticism

983
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.639
<v Speaker 2>and taking certain stances. But yeah, I wouldn't say I've

984
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 2>agreed with everything he's written or said or done, but

985
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 2>I do respect, you know, as a as a journalist.

986
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Then I think he's made a massive contribution to sport.

987
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:12.239
<v Speaker 1>He's a massive loss, isn't he. I mean I'm feeling

988
00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.639
<v Speaker 1>that already because the news is so slow in in

989
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 1>rugby league world in Australia at the moment. I mean,

990
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the next item I've got is Jack Bird leaving the

991
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Tigers and Phil Sammy is staying at the Titans. I mean,

992
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Jack Bird has been around a few clubs. He's flown

993
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:31.079
<v Speaker 1>around a few clubs, I should say, and this talk

994
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.039
<v Speaker 1>he might end up in Super League now, I mean

995
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:36.199
<v Speaker 1>at least he's played plenty of NRL so and Phil

996
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Sammy is an underrated player in my opinion, who who

997
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 1>has played Origin and he had a great season twenty

998
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty five, and just in Josh Hannay has decided he's

999
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 1>staying there this year now, So not the Titans. Any

1000
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.400
<v Speaker 1>comments on any of those who's going to sign Jack Byrd?

1001
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think he's had Super League interest

1002
00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:57.920
<v Speaker 2>for a law. I don't think he's wanted to make

1003
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the move, and right I think it necessary. I think

1004
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:03.679
<v Speaker 2>it's probably a last result for him. So yeah, I

1005
00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 2>think he'd be looking to pick up a contract. I

1006
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.920
<v Speaker 2>mean Jack Bird's one of those players that you kind

1007
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.320
<v Speaker 2>of I think about when he burst on the scene,

1008
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:13.199
<v Speaker 2>it looked like he could have been anything. You know.

1009
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.039
<v Speaker 2>I think he played a bit of origin for yourself, Wales,

1010
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.480
<v Speaker 2>but he just sort of had injury after injury, didn't

1011
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.199
<v Speaker 2>he and sort of moved, you know, from the back

1012
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 2>line ind to the forwards a bit. And I am

1013
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:25.639
<v Speaker 2>not to be too harsh, but it seems like he

1014
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 2>never really kicked on or and I could be wrong

1015
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:32.880
<v Speaker 2>in that perception, but never maybe fully realized his potential,

1016
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:37.000
<v Speaker 2>whether that was because of injuries or what. But yeah,

1017
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:41.719
<v Speaker 2>I think you'll probably get a contract somewhere in the NRL.

1018
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I'd imagine whether it be you know, just outside of

1019
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Top thirty or on a standby show we said, I

1020
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:51.639
<v Speaker 2>don't think you'll make the move to superlu Johnny's job.

1021
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bring this in for you because I've

1022
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>decided what Johnny's job is this week. The amount of

1023
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.800
<v Speaker 1>client journalism getting sprung these days is alarming. Hard to

1024
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:07.920
<v Speaker 1>see how these people sleep at night quote unquote mhmm, yeah,

1025
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:11.159
<v Speaker 1>who are you jabbing there? Anyone in particular?

1026
00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, lots of people. But yeah, I think I don't

1027
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.119
<v Speaker 2>want to go into a dietribe, but journalists, I don't

1028
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:23.559
<v Speaker 2>want to go into it three times on this podcast. Yeah,

1029
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:28.400
<v Speaker 2>you're really sticking a knife for mate. You'll get me

1030
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:32.000
<v Speaker 2>hung by bowing words. But look, I think there seems

1031
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.039
<v Speaker 2>to be some dispute about the role of journalism from

1032
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.440
<v Speaker 2>some people and from some journalists. You know something that

1033
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, you shouldn't write anything that isn't that that

1034
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.679
<v Speaker 2>is damaging or questions you know you should just if

1035
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 2>someone tells you think you should just print it. You're

1036
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:49.840
<v Speaker 2>just a rugby league thing. It's just a general thing.

1037
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:53.320
<v Speaker 2>It's in rugby league, it's in in journalism generally. You

1038
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:56.320
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be a mouthpiece for for anyone. You know, you

1039
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 2>obviously people tell you things, and you feel allegiances to

1040
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:02.719
<v Speaker 2>your sources and whatever, but you've got to be honest.

1041
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:07.880
<v Speaker 2>You pursued of the truth. And you know it's clear

1042
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:10.480
<v Speaker 2>not only in rugby league, but in other things that

1043
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:14.679
<v Speaker 2>that certain journalists are or either used or allow themselves

1044
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:18.519
<v Speaker 2>to be used and then conveniently look away or don't

1045
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>say anything when when certain things happen. And for me,

1046
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, you've got to You've got to have that

1047
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>obligation to to the truth and you know, to be honest. Yeah,

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00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 2>And it's not something that that everyone obviously follows or

1049
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 2>sees or believes.

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00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.519
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's a strange thing in rugby league. It's

1051
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.760
<v Speaker 1>like anything that isn't warm and fuzzy he gets classed

1052
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:44.400
<v Speaker 1>as negative.

1053
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the rugby league example of that is

1054
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:49.400
<v Speaker 2>that you have to be a cheerleader daily league.

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00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. As if anything that you say, question it examinishes,

1056
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.519
<v Speaker 1>it diminishes it a little. Yeah, as opposed to if

1057
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.519
<v Speaker 1>you break an egg, you can make an omelet approach,

1058
00:58:59.559 --> 00:58:59.719
<v Speaker 1>you know.

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00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Or the fact that you want something to be

1060
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.880
<v Speaker 2>better or bigger or greater because you love it and

1061
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:09.400
<v Speaker 2>you're you're passionate about it. Yeah, that's the attitude. That's

1062
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.840
<v Speaker 2>an attitude that has pissed me off for a long time.

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00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.480
<v Speaker 2>And I get I get painted as someone who's who's

1064
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:17.360
<v Speaker 2>negative or whatever, but when I'm just calling as I

1065
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 2>say it and being honest. But that's the one approach.

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00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Everyone says they love honesty and they love the truth,

1067
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:24.480
<v Speaker 2>and most people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, that's right, you're talking of the honesty and truth.

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00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Lee's laugh this week is about the Royal visit or firstly,

1070
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I want it to be known to anybody who will

1071
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 1>hit listen to me that I'm not a Royalist at all.

1072
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the biggest council house in the country

1073
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and the most expensive one. And then yeah, anyway, but

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00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Princess Kate who went to Wakefield this week, she seems

1075
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:53.800
<v Speaker 1>lovely and genuine. I remember watching her greet the players

1076
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>at the quarter final in the last World Cup in

1077
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Wigan and she just seemed a warm, genuine person, just

1078
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:03.599
<v Speaker 1>genuinely interesting the conversations she's having and whatnot. That said,

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01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.159
<v Speaker 1>at Wakefield, everyone was on eggshells a little bit, but

1080
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.559
<v Speaker 1>all smiles. But there was one lady. She wasn't rude

1081
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:11.559
<v Speaker 1>to her, but she didn't even look at the Princess

1082
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and it looked like a little silent snub and it

1083
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:18.079
<v Speaker 1>actually may not may or may not have been, but

1084
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 1>she was next to her on the the Princess was

1085
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>stood to her left and she was sat at the table.

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01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.280
<v Speaker 1>She didn't even look at her. You know, it could

1087
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:31.280
<v Speaker 1>have been like.

1088
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's like the doosey if you look directly, he

1089
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:33.599
<v Speaker 2>might turn the stone. I don't know.

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01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:39.400
<v Speaker 1>And then she went out to the field through the well.

1091
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:41.800
<v Speaker 1>She went to the dugout and there were three male

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01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:44.360
<v Speaker 1>school kids there, or they looked like males. You never

1093
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:47.079
<v Speaker 1>know these days, they could identify as something else. But anyway,

1094
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 1>there was three school kids there and they actually the

1095
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.079
<v Speaker 1>boys looked like they wanted to be anywhere else but

1096
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.079
<v Speaker 1>where they were. It was hilarious, right, And the school

1097
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.400
<v Speaker 1>girls that Kate then went to speak to, they were

1098
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the exact up as it, and it was. It was interesting.

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01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.039
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if the boys would have picked up if

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01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Kate's husband was there, for example. I don't know. I

1101
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:13.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but honestly, the boys just were like it's

1102
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.239
<v Speaker 1>as if they'd been taken away from the games or

1103
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.199
<v Speaker 1>something that the computer gets. That's what I like. But anyway,

1104
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.679
<v Speaker 1>the school girls were really engaged with there and obviously

1105
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.920
<v Speaker 1>happy to be in the company of a princess. All

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01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:28.320
<v Speaker 1>the headlines the reason I found this story, it was

1107
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:32.039
<v Speaker 1>all things like Kate gets sporty, Kate tries a hand

1108
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 1>at rugby, et cetera. And she was given a ball

1109
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and she held it for four seconds I counted. So

1110
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:44.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about being honest, and you.

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01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Know, well, the whole, the whole royal thing is basically

1112
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:52.239
<v Speaker 2>just an media marcounter to promote it continually. I think,

1113
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I think you're smart enough to rip.

1114
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:58.880
<v Speaker 1>And then she got a she got a shirt from Wakey,

1115
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:03.920
<v Speaker 1>no frame or anything, just a shirt. So if you

1116
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.480
<v Speaker 1>happen to be in London and see Kate Middleton running

1117
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:09.480
<v Speaker 1>around in a Wakefield shirt, give her a wave. So

1118
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:12.440
<v Speaker 1>it was it was just pure I like, don't get

1119
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.199
<v Speaker 1>me wrong that it's the only time I've ever watched

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01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 1>a Royal clip on purpose and it was just hilarious.

1121
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:21.840
<v Speaker 1>It was just it could have been nineteen sixty if

1122
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it was in black and white. It was it was a.

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01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Glass There's a lot of people who'd like it to

1124
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:26.800
<v Speaker 2>be on sixty late.

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01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:28.039
<v Speaker 1>True. True.

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01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've covered some topics today, Johnny Boy. Yeah, it's

1127
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.559
<v Speaker 2>supposed to stick to sport. You know, sport and politics

1128
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't mix.

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01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:41.280
<v Speaker 1>The're the one who mentioned the shootings and my analysis

1130
01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:44.119
<v Speaker 1>video now is always a separate video. Did London Broncos

1131
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:50.199
<v Speaker 1>this week their game against Witness and they've got some

1132
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:53.079
<v Speaker 1>things that some opposition might have a look at quite frankly,

1133
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:55.599
<v Speaker 1>but also I mean it was their first game of

1134
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:57.719
<v Speaker 1>the year, so they're not going to be perfect. But

1135
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.400
<v Speaker 1>basically basically, very good go forward, hard to stop in

1136
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:05.400
<v Speaker 1>terms of momentum. A good half back with the ball

1137
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.760
<v Speaker 1>in his hand on the defensive side of the ball,

1138
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.679
<v Speaker 1>play to the edges and you might get some joy.

1139
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:14.119
<v Speaker 1>It's basically what I'm saying. So all play fast and

1140
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.079
<v Speaker 1>it'll might give away penalties. And I had to laugh.

1141
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:21.440
<v Speaker 1>The commentator was calling Reagan Campbell Gillard, Regan Campbell, Gillard.

1142
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.840
<v Speaker 1>It was yeah, so is it Gillard or Gillard?

1143
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:27.039
<v Speaker 2>It's Gillard, isn't he No, it's skill had its just

1144
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:32.800
<v Speaker 2>He also couldn't pronounce witness. What was he saying? I can't,

1145
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I can't, I can't. I did watch the game. I

1146
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:39.400
<v Speaker 2>can't remember how he said it, but he mispronounced it

1147
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:39.840
<v Speaker 2>every time.

1148
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Which kind of is it like the AI that I

1149
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:46.280
<v Speaker 1>used to chop up our videos and says witness.

1150
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he's just a Southern and he's never

1151
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:50.679
<v Speaker 2>heard of witness.

1152
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:53.800
<v Speaker 1>People in brad brief. People in Bradford would call it

1153
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:59.719
<v Speaker 1>witness as well, because they call it Bradford. So all right, Johnny,

1154
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll see you. When I see you, book will definitely

1155
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:05.679
<v Speaker 1>be doing more content, not unless I see you first.

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01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Take care