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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomie podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back. If you've ever looked up at the night

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<v Speaker 2>sky and wondered if anyone is looking back, you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're tapping into one of the humanity's most

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<v Speaker 2>profound questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, it's the big one. Yeah, and it's the core

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<v Speaker 3>of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence or SETI.

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<v Speaker 2>And when most people visualize that search, they picture those

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<v Speaker 2>iconic dishes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, the massive parabolic dishes. You know, think of Green

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<v Speaker 3>Bank or the now sadly defunct a Recibo, all of

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<v Speaker 3>them just tilted toward the cosmos, patiently listening, ears wide opened,

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<v Speaker 3>waiting for that alien phone call, that.

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<v Speaker 2>One single unambiguous radio signal that confirms everything, that proves

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<v Speaker 2>we are not alone. Exactly, that classic image, it really

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<v Speaker 2>embodies decades of scientific effort, all that scanning waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>something that is definitively artificial, definitively intelligent.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the thing, and it's the core question we're

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<v Speaker 3>diving into today. It's a challenging one.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is, what if the reason we haven't found anything,

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<v Speaker 2>any decisive evidence of advanced life, what if it isn't

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<v Speaker 2>because they aren't out there, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we've been looking for the wrong kind of signal.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, a signal that reflects a very narrow, a very well,

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<v Speaker 2>a very human centric view of what communication even is.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the term for it, anthropist centric bias, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>increasingly being seen within the STETI community not just as

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<v Speaker 3>a possible mistake, but as a serious theoretical constraint.

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<v Speaker 2>It limits where we even think to look.

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely does, and that's precisely what this new research

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking at is tackling head on.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. We have been pulling insights from a really fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>new study. It's led by researchers from Arizona State University's

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<v Speaker 2>School of Earth and Space Exploration that's a s C.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've had contributions from the Santa Fe Institute.

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<v Speaker 3>And what they're doing is they are fundamentally challenging the

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<v Speaker 3>assumptions that have been sort of baked into the SETI

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<v Speaker 3>framework for what sixty years now.

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<v Speaker 2>Our mission today is to extract the most important, the

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<v Speaker 2>most surprising, and I think the most insightful nuggets from

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<v Speaker 2>this research.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to provide you with a shortcut to understanding

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<v Speaker 3>not just the limitations of our current searches for techno signatures,

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<v Speaker 3>but also to introduce a completely new, a completely different

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<v Speaker 3>theoretical framework for detecting ETI.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's one that's grounded in biology of all.

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<v Speaker 3>Things, which is the big shift. This isn't just about

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<v Speaker 3>finding aliens anymore. It's about rethinking what intelligence even means

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<v Speaker 3>on a cosmic scale.

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<v Speaker 2>And the beauty of this new approach, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>in it's surprising, some splicity, and in where it comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>It shifts the focus away from trying to decipher some

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<v Speaker 2>complex alien message like.

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<v Speaker 3>A history of the galaxy or a string.

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<v Speaker 2>Of prime number right, and it shifts it towards identifying

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<v Speaker 2>the universal structural properties of communication itself, you know, properties

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<v Speaker 2>shaped by evolution and efficiency no matter what technology is

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<v Speaker 3>And the most evocative analogy they use, the one at

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<v Speaker 3>the heart of all this research. It's not lasers, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not alien megastructures.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fireflies.

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<v Speaker 3>Advanced civilizations communicating like fireflies. And we're going to unpack

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<v Speaker 3>exactly how they got to that seemingly bizarre conclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>To really appreciate how big of a shift this is,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to go back a bit. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>understand the history. The origins of SETI. They trace back

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<v Speaker 2>to the early nineteen sixties, right, and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>moment in time that was driven by a very specific

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<v Speaker 2>technological realization right here on Earth humanity, ourselves had just

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<v Speaker 2>recently mastered radio communications.

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<v Speaker 3>And those signals were finally powerful enough to leak out

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<v Speaker 3>into interstellar space. That was the foundational moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, the logic was simple, almost self evident at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It was powerful and deeply reflective. It was if we,

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<v Speaker 3>an emerging technological civilization, are broadcasting our presence into the cosmos,

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<v Speaker 2>Surely other older, more advanced civilizations would be doing the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing, right, but maybe with signals that were orders of

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<v Speaker 3>magnitude more powerful and completely intentional.

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<v Speaker 2>It was essentially us looking in the mirror and just

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<v Speaker 2>assuming the reflection we saw was universal.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much, and you see it in the very first

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<v Speaker 3>efforts Frank Drake's pioneering project OZMA back in nineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>It was directly informed by our new mastery of radio.

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<v Speaker 2>They aimed their dish at two stars Taucetti and Epsilon Eridani,

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<v Speaker 2>and they listened specifically near the twenty one centimeter hydrogen line.

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<v Speaker 3>And that frequency choice itself really embodies that initial optimism,

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<v Speaker 3>that that anthropocentric hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Why that freak, see though, what was the thinking there?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the twenty one centimeter line, it's emitted by neutral hydrogen,

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<v Speaker 3>and hydrogen is the most abundant element in the entire universe.

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<v Speaker 3>So the reasoning was, if a civilization wanted to send

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<v Speaker 3>out a cosmic beacon, a sort of we are here signal,

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<v Speaker 3>they'd choose.

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<v Speaker 2>A frequency that was universally recognizable, a cosmic landmark.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly a common language of physics that we had just

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<v Speaker 3>figured out he has. And since radio signals traveled such

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<v Speaker 3>vast distances without much degradation, it all just made perfect

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<v Speaker 3>logical sense. At the time, you're looking for the familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>And that search for the familiar, it basically created what

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<v Speaker 2>we could call techno signatures.

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<v Speaker 3>One point zero that's a great way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>The vast majority of searches since then, I mean, including

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<v Speaker 2>the incredibly ambitious one hundred million dollar breakthrough Listen project,

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<v Speaker 2>they've all focused predominantly on these huge swaths of the

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<v Speaker 2>radio spectrum.

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<v Speaker 3>And even when SETI did broaden the search, it often

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<v Speaker 3>went after things that were still recognizable to us, just bigger,

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<v Speaker 3>more exotic maybe, but still familiar, like looking for thermal

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<v Speaker 3>emissions that might suggest some massive engineering project.

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<v Speaker 2>An alien megastructure, a Dyson sphere consuming an entire star.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and that's still anthropocentric, just scaled way up. We're

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<v Speaker 3>looking for technology that reflects a more advanced version of

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<v Speaker 2>And that brings us directly to the paradox, doesn't it

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<v Speaker 2>the core flaw that this cess team identified, the anthropocentric bias.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we have been searching for signals and signatures that

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<v Speaker 3>specifically mirror our current or very recent stage of technological development.

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<v Speaker 3>The unstated assumption has always been, if they're intelligent, they

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<v Speaker 3>must be using technology that we recognize as powerful or complex.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's where it gets really interesting, and where the

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<v Speaker 2>whole self defeating nature of that classic search becomes so clear.

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<v Speaker 3>Go on.

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<v Speaker 2>If you just look at our own planet's history, just

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<v Speaker 2>over the last fifty years, the very era set he

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<v Speaker 2>has been active, Earth has actually become demonstrably less radio loud.

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<v Speaker 3>We're losing our own technosignature exactly. Yeah, think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>the global shift from say, analog terrestrial television and radio

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<v Speaker 3>broadcasts to digital communications, it's been huge.

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<v Speaker 2>All of our data is now flying through fiber optic

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<v Speaker 3>Ocean, and highly directional satellite communications, point to point wireless signals.

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<v Speaker 3>All of it is designed to be focused, not leaky.

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<v Speaker 3>The overall global broadcast power has just it's plummeted.

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<v Speaker 2>So if a civilization fifty light years away started listening

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<v Speaker 2>to us during the peak of I don't know, global

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<v Speaker 2>analog TV broadcasting in the seventies and eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>They might have gotten a decent kind of diffuse signal

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<v Speaker 3>of our presence. They might have picked up I Love Lucy.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they started listening today.

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<v Speaker 3>They find that signal is much much weaker. It's very

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<v Speaker 3>deeper under all the cosmic background noise. We went from

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<v Speaker 3>being a cosmic foghorn to a whisper in a single lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>And this leads to what the researchers are calling the

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<v Speaker 2>brief window argument, and it's kind of devastating for that

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<v Speaker 2>classic SETI methodology.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is, because if we're out there searching for

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<v Speaker 3>radio transmissions from advanced civilizations, it's tantamount to looking for

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<v Speaker 3>evidence of them during a very brief, very specific window

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<v Speaker 3>of their technological history.

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<v Speaker 2>A window that they, like us, may have already closed

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<v Speaker 2>or are rapidly moving through.

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<v Speaker 3>If a civilization progresses beyond its messy, leaky adolescence, what

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<v Speaker 3>drives it? Logically, it's driven towards energy efficiency. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>they would transition away from wide, powerful, wasteful radio broadcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd move towards highly directed, energy efficient communications or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>something even more exotic we can't even detect yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Quantum communication or something like that. Yeah, I mean, why

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<v Speaker 2>would you spend all that power yelling across the galaxy

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<v Speaker 2>when a directed whisper is enough.

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<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't. And this is the constraint on our knowledge

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<v Speaker 3>that SETI has to overcome. We just don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>future of alien technology.

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<v Speaker 2>As Estelle Marie Jan who is a PhD candidate involved

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<v Speaker 2>in this study, points out, SETI has traditionally spanned two extremes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, an anthropocentric search for humans like techno signatures, and

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<v Speaker 3>an anomaly based search for signals that deviate from known astrophysics.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the perfect summary of the bind we're in.

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<v Speaker 2>We either look for signals exactly like our nineteen seventies tech,

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<v Speaker 3>Some really weird noise. We just can't explain a highly energetic,

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<v Speaker 2>There's no useful middle ground that's you know, theoretically grounded.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct. The field desperately needs stronger theoretical frameworks, frameworks that

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<v Speaker 3>can identify generalizable features of life and intelligent communication without

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<v Speaker 3>requiring either complete prior knowledge of alien tech, which we

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<v Speaker 3>obviously don't have, or no assumptions at all, which is

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<v Speaker 3>just looking for random, expensive weirdness.

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<v Speaker 2>So we need a general theory of cosmic communication, one

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<v Speaker 2>that's grounded, something universal, something something beyond just our technology.

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<v Speaker 3>And to be fair, the SETI community has started to

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<v Speaker 3>broaden the search. We are looking for powerful lasers now,

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<v Speaker 3>optical transmissions, and even neutrino signals or gravitational waves.

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<v Speaker 2>But even those expanded searches, they often still on the

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<v Speaker 2>assumption of massive high power energy expenditure.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't they they do, a powerful directed laser, while it's

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<v Speaker 3>technically advanced, still relies on the premise that the ETI

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<v Speaker 3>is prioritizing detectability through sheer power. The challenge is the same, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Are the universal constraints on communication regardless of the physics

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<v Speaker 3>That's the question, and that's what the ASU team tried

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<v Speaker 3>to answer by looking well a lot closer to home

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<v Speaker 3>than the stars. They asked, what if the unifying factor

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<v Speaker 3>isn't technology at all? What if it's evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the traditional SETI approach is flawed because it's

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<v Speaker 2>too human centric, you know, too focused on our specific

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<v Speaker 2>technological phase, where do we pivot?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the ASU team argues, we have to stop defining

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<v Speaker 3>intelligence so narrowly. In current SETI research, intelligence almost always

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<v Speaker 3>defaults to meaning human like technological civilization capable of building

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<v Speaker 3>massive radio dishes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we assume intelligence means building rockets, communicating with complex math,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe being a little bit messy with your energy

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<v Speaker 2>use broadcasting.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Lucy reruns for fifty light years exactly, And

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<v Speaker 3>that assumption just limits our search space so severely. So

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<v Speaker 3>the researchers recommend broadening the scope to include non human

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<v Speaker 2>On Earth as a starting point for the models.

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<v Speaker 3>As an alternative starting point for theoretical modeling. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the key. It doesn't necessarily mean universally understood

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<v Speaker 2>This feels like a really radical philosophical and scientific shift.

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<v Speaker 2>It's forging a strong link between biology and astrobiology.

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<v Speaker 3>It is it moves the focus from the intelligence of

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<v Speaker 3>the core argument here is that communication is fundamentally a

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<v Speaker 2>As a profound realization when you think about it, the

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<v Speaker 2>variety of communication on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fundamental. It happens across all in ages of life.

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<v Speaker 3>Janin described it as manifesting in a wonderful diversity of

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<v Speaker 2>You've got the molecular language of bacterial chorum sensing.

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<v Speaker 3>The complex social signals of cephalopods changing their skin color,

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<v Speaker 2>And the unifying concept there is that all of that communication,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of the medium or the species, is always shaped

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<v Speaker 2>by the same fundamental universal constraints.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, energy conservation, avoiding noise, whether that's environmental or biological noise,

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<v Speaker 2>That's the elegant simplicity they tapped into. So instead of

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<v Speaker 2>looking for complex mathematical sequences or a coded history.

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<v Speaker 3>Lesson, the focus of both the search SETTY and the

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<v Speaker 3>potential messaging, which is MIDII, should be on identifying signals

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<v Speaker 3>that bear the structural fingerprint of having been produced by life.

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<v Speaker 3>That's dealing with these universal cosmic constraints.

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<v Speaker 2>So the structure of the signal, how efficient it is,

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<v Speaker 2>how distinct it is from the background that is the

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. Precisely, the structures that survive evolutionary selection should

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<v Speaker 3>be generalizable across the entire universe because the laws of physics,

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<v Speaker 3>the pressure to conserve resources, whether it's energy, matter, or time,

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<v Speaker 3>and the ever present background noise, those are all universal constants,

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<v Speaker 3>so that structural optimization has to happen whether the ETI

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<v Speaker 3>is made of plasma or carbon or silicon. Right, and

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<v Speaker 3>Jennon argues that taking this non human communication into account

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<v Speaker 3>is essential for broadening our intuition. It keeps the search.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is her phrase, empirically grounded.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need to pause on that phrase, empirically grounded,

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<v Speaker 2>because it sounds like a scientific buzzword, but it really

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<v Speaker 3>It does. It means the researchers aren't just engaging in

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<v Speaker 3>philosophical speculation. They are starting with hard data from digital

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<v Speaker 2>That's the vital distinction. The researchers observe this significant gap

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<v Speaker 2>in astrobiology. They found that remote sensing, life detection and

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<v Speaker 2>SETI have often struggled to keep pace with progress in

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<v Speaker 3>Astrobiology has tended to focus way too much on astrophysical

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<v Speaker 3>data properties, you know how a signal looks against cosmic noise,

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<v Speaker 3>rather than on the inherent predictable properties of the life

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<v Speaker 3>it's trying to infer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like we're trying to find a symphony by only

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<v Speaker 2>measuring the acoustic properties of the room. That's a fantastic analogy,

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<v Speaker 2>and not the properties of the instruments or the composition

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<v Speaker 3>Astrobiology needs to better integrate the full diversity of Earth's

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<v Speaker 3>living systems to develop testable hypotheses about the structure of

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<v Speaker 3>has to obey constraints biological, physical, energetic.

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<v Speaker 2>Which brings us back to the firefly. The complexity of

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<v Speaker 2>a human technological transmission is often seen as the mark

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<v Speaker 2>of intelligence. But what if the true mark of advanced

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence is the elegance of efficiency.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, if you've been evolving for millions or billions of years,

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<v Speaker 2>Advanced communication isn't necessarily more complex in its composition.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more optimized in its transmission. And this optimization, driven

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<v Speaker 3>by universal evolutionary pressure, leaves a unique, detectable structural signature

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<v Speaker 3>in the parameter space of energy versus distinctiveness. And that

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<v Speaker 3>that is the intellectual bridge that moves us from searching

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's connect that theory of biological universality to

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<v Speaker 2>the specific model they chose. Why fireflies, Of all the

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<v Speaker 2>non human communication methods, chemical signal, seismic vibrations, why focus

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<v Speaker 2>on this specific bioluminescent insect.

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<v Speaker 3>The firefly analogy is just it's perfect because its communication

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<v Speaker 3>system is this crystalline example of an evolved solution to

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<v Speaker 3>a classic optimization problem under duress, and it uses light,

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<v Speaker 3>and it uses light, which is obviously a medium that's

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<v Speaker 3>relevant to interstellar communication. During mating, cs and fireflies produce

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<v Speaker 3>these periodic flash sequences. These flashes are critical species specific

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<v Speaker 3>signals used to attract mates.

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<v Speaker 2>But the challenge they face is it's acute and it's immediate.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to stand out from their background, which could

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<v Speaker 3>And they need to do it efficiently, quickly, and without

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<v Speaker 3>the same time minimizing the risk of predation. Flashing takes

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<v Speaker 3>metabolic energy, and if you stand out too much, you

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<v Speaker 2>So this duality maximum distinction achieved, minimum cost and risk.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a universal constraint on communication.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether you're a firefly or an advanced ETI. Resources and

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<v Speaker 3>environmental noise always matter.

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<v Speaker 2>So the study took this very specific, biologically grounded model

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<v Speaker 2>and tried to simulate its structural principles in a cosmic

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<v Speaker 2>con text. How do they translate a sequence of light

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<v Speaker 2>flashes in a human forest into a cosmic techno signature.

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<v Speaker 3>They built upon existing evolutionary firefly communication models. These are

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<v Speaker 2>And they incorporate variables from mutation, selection, pressure.

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<v Speaker 3>Energy consumptions, signal recognition, all of it. And they then

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<v Speaker 3>adapted this whole framework to simulate how a highly optimized

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<v Speaker 3>ETI signal would fare against the ubiquitous noise of deep space.

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<v Speaker 2>So they weren't looking for a message that said hello.

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<v Speaker 2>They were rigorously generating an evolved signal, a sequence whose

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<v Speaker 3>That's the key distinction. They developed their own model that

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<v Speaker 3>minimizing energy consumption. This process generated sequences that, by their

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<v Speaker 3>very nature, would occupy a very distinct, highly optimized position

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now we need to talk about that cosmic noise

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<v Speaker 2>in the forest. The noise is ambient light or other

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<v Speaker 2>fireflies in space. They needed a natural phenomenon that was ordered,

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<v Speaker 2>common and represented a genuine physical background that an ETI

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<v Speaker 2>and why they.

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<v Speaker 3>Chose pulsars rapidly spinning, highly magnetized neutron stars that emit

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<v Speaker 2>And they were selected for specific, very compelling reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, First, they're common. They're all over the galaxy, so

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<v Speaker 3>they provide a widespread natural background. Second, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>That regularity is key, and that regularity is what makes

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<v Speaker 2>them a powerful analog for structured natural noise, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is unlike the chaotic hiss of general galactic background radiation,

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<v Speaker 3>Pulsars provide a predictable regular pattern. Any intelligent life trying

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<v Speaker 2>If an ETI wants to use the radio spectrum, they

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<v Speaker 2>have to contend with these persistent, regular clockwork signals.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and there's that great historical footnote. When pulsars were

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<v Speaker 2>They briefly label them LGM for Little Green.

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<v Speaker 3>Men, because they were regular, so predictable that orderliness was

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<v Speaker 2>So for this study, the ETI signal is the evolved

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<v Speaker 2>firefly flash optimized for energy and distinctiveness, and the pulsar

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<v Speaker 2>is the cosmic background noise they need to be distinct from.

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<v Speaker 3>It serves as the functional analog for the competing firefly

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<v Speaker 2>It's an ingenious setup, really, because it preserves the biological

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<v Speaker 2>strategy of looking for life like ourselves, but it expands

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<v Speaker 2>what like ourselves means.

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<v Speaker 3>It expands it to encompass the entirety of the biosphere

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<v Speaker 3>rather than just our specific human technology.

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<v Speaker 2>It also fully leverages advancements made in the study of

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<v Speaker 2>animal canmmunication and digital bioacoustics, fields that until now have

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<v Speaker 3>That integration is the breakthrough here. The researchers explicitly stated

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<v Speaker 3>experiment and an invitation for SETTI and animal communication research

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<v Speaker 3>to engage more directly, we need to.

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<v Speaker 2>Shift our focus from the specifics of the data. Is

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<v Speaker 2>predictable properties of life under universal physical law. But let

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<v Speaker 2>me offer a challenge. Share if the pulsar emissions are

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<v Speaker 2>so highly ordered, doesn't that make the random nature of

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<v Speaker 2>a purely evolved biological signal potentially less distinct?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, that's a crucial distinction.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the danger here finding a pattern that is just chaotic,

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<v Speaker 2>which we'd assume is noise, rather than a pattern that's

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<v Speaker 3>And they modeled against that. The key is not chaos,

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<v Speaker 3>but non random, non natural organization that is driven by

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<v Speaker 3>minimization coat processes, even ordered ones like pulsars, They tend

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<v Speaker 3>to scatter across the parameter space based on things like mass,

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<v Speaker 3>spin and energy output without the pressure of resource conservation.

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<v Speaker 3>The ETI signal, however, is being pushed by selection toward

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<v Speaker 3>a very specific structural sweet spot maximum regularity for communication,

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<v Speaker 3>even if we can't decode the pattern itself.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're looking for a signature that suggests the structure

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<v Speaker 2>was well. It was costly to generate in terms of intelligence,

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, we are looking for the fingerprint of highly efficient optimization.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now we're at the heart of the research, the

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<v Speaker 2>quantitative findings. This is where the firefly theory becomes concrete

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<v Speaker 2>empirical data.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the researchers design this complex simulation to test

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and fifty eight pulsars.

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<v Speaker 2>And to appreciate the results, we need to spend a

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<v Speaker 2>the deep dive level of detail really matters.

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<v Speaker 3>It does. The model established the background using observational data

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<v Speaker 3>from the Australian National Telescope Facility the AT and F database,

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<v Speaker 3>and they focused on one hundred and fifty eight known

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<v Speaker 2>Which is roughly sixteen three hundred light years, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Huge search area centered on Earth, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The ETI signal wasn't just random noise. It was mathematically

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<v Speaker 3>They superimposed their artificial evolved signals, which were rigorously modulated

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<v Speaker 3>based on the mathematical relationship between two key factors, dissimilarity

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<v Speaker 2>How did they even compare those two things, a pulsar

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<v Speaker 3>Well, to do the comparison, they had to quantify both

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<v Speaker 3>the pulsar pulses and the artificial flashes in a unified way.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you quantify a signal's presence when you're dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with something as ephemeral as a flash or a pulse?

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<v Speaker 3>In deepas, they grouped both the pulsar pulse profiles and

432
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<v Speaker 3>the artificial flash profiles based on their simple on off

433
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<v Speaker 3>states relative to the ambient noise floor. But they quantified

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<v Speaker 3>this using something called mean flex density.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's unpack mean flex density for a moment. What

436
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<v Speaker 2>is that?

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<v Speaker 3>In astrophysics, flex density is just the amount of energy

438
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<v Speaker 3>passing through a unit area per unit of time. In

439
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<v Speaker 3>this case, radio energy got it. Now with pulsars, which

440
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<v Speaker 3>flash incredibly rapidly. The mean flex density gives you a

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<v Speaker 3>baseline measurement of the signal strength. The researchers use a

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<v Speaker 3>specific cutoff for this density. If the signal strength was

443
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<v Speaker 3>above that cutoff, it was counted as an on state.

444
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<v Speaker 3>Below the cutoff, it was off.

445
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<v Speaker 2>And this binary on off conversion allowed them to directly

446
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<v Speaker 2>compare the pattern structure of a natural pulsar signal to

447
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<v Speaker 2>their artificial evolve signal precisely.

448
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<v Speaker 3>So for any given pattern, whether it was natural pulsar

449
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<v Speaker 3>noise or the hypothetical ETI signal, they could measure two things,

450
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<v Speaker 3>how much energy it took to broadcast it and how

451
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<v Speaker 3>statistically dissimilar it was from the background pulsar noise distribution.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the core technical challenge they had to overcome. Yeah,

453
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<v Speaker 2>how did they model dissimilarity, Because it's not just about

454
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<v Speaker 2>raw power, right right?

455
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<v Speaker 3>If you just compare raw power, the loudest signal always wins.

456
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<v Speaker 3>But they were looking for a structural difference, so they

457
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<v Speaker 3>quantified dissimilarity using statistical distance measures. These are techniques often

458
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<v Speaker 3>used in genetics or digital bioacoustics, and.

459
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<v Speaker 2>This method measures how far the timing and the energy

460
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<v Speaker 2>profile of one signal deviates from the average distribution of

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<v Speaker 2>all one hundred and fifty eight pulsar signals exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So if the ETI signal used, say a sequence of long,

463
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<v Speaker 3>slow pulses at very low power, and all the pulsars

464
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<v Speaker 3>were fast, high power bursts.

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<v Speaker 2>That signal would register as highly dissimilar statistically distant, even

466
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<v Speaker 2>if it was weak.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, they modeled the ETI signals specifically to maximize this

468
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<v Speaker 3>dissimilarity while rigorously minimizing the energy cost required for that transmission.

469
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<v Speaker 3>The energy cost wasn't just raw power output, but the

470
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<v Speaker 3>total energy needed per unit of information transmitted true efficiency.

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<v Speaker 2>And they ran multiple versions of this I assume.

472
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<v Speaker 3>Multiple permutations, incorporating different energy level constraints to make sure

473
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<v Speaker 3>the simulation was robust against different interstellar environments.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's get to the results. The comparison of the

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<v Speaker 2>optimized signals versus the natural background. What happened when they

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<v Speaker 2>compared the energy cost of those one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>eight natural pulsars to the energy costs of their optimized

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<v Speaker 2>artificial signals.

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<v Speaker 3>The difference was It was dramatic and non random. It

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<v Speaker 3>highlighted this powerful, clear effect of evolutionary optimization, The optimized

481
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<v Speaker 3>artificial signals showed much lower energy costs than the vast

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<v Speaker 3>majority of the pulsar.

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<v Speaker 2>Population to achieve the same level of detectability.

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<v Speaker 3>To achieve the same level of detectability, and this is

485
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<v Speaker 3>the crucial finding. The artificial signals constrained by efficiency, They

486
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<v Speaker 3>occupied a specific low energy corner of the parameter space

487
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<v Speaker 3>that the natural physics signals. The pulsars, they simply did

488
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<v Speaker 3>not populate.

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<v Speaker 2>How much lower are we talking? Was this a subtle

490
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<v Speaker 2>shift that could be explained by cosmic variants or was

491
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<v Speaker 2>this a definitive structural difference?

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<v Speaker 3>So it was definitive the natural background the pulsars, they

493
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<v Speaker 3>had energy costs that were staggeringly high. We're talking anywhere

494
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<v Speaker 3>from eighty four percent to ninety nine point seven eight

495
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<v Speaker 3>percent higher than the optimized evolved artificial signals, wow, to

496
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<v Speaker 3>achieve the same level of dissimilarity. That extremely wide margin

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<v Speaker 3>that provides a clear, robust signature of communication that has

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<v Speaker 3>been shaped by selection and resource optimization.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's try to contextualize that margin. If an ETI can

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<v Speaker 2>get the necessary distinction from background noise while using say

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent less energy than a natural phenomena. What does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean operationally?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that margin is the definition of advanced engineering

504
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<v Speaker 3>driven by universal law. A ninety percent reduction in power

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<v Speaker 3>consumption for a comparable signal structure means that an ETI

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<v Speaker 3>could theoretically sustain a network of beacons for ten times longer.

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<v Speaker 2>Or reach many more targets star systems.

508
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<v Speaker 3>With the same total energy budget. Yes, it introduces stealth, longevity,

509
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<v Speaker 3>and massive scalability. It's the fingerprint of a signal that

510
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<v Speaker 3>is deliberately trying to conserve resources and maximize survival, just

511
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<v Speaker 3>like a firefly avoiding a predator while trying to find

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<v Speaker 3>a mate.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're not looking for raw power or extreme complexity.

514
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<v Speaker 2>We are looking for the structural property of elegance that

515
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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally changes the mission parameters for future telescopes.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the ultimate takeaway, and Jennin summarized it beautifully.

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<v Speaker 3>She said, alien signals don't have to be complicated or

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<v Speaker 3>semantically decipherable to be recognized.

519
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<v Speaker 2>You don't need a Rosetta stone to translate their.

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<v Speaker 3>Message because the signal structure itself conveys the presence of intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we receive a signal, we don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>know what it says. We just need to confirm how

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<v Speaker 2>efficiently it's built and how distinct its structure is from

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<v Speaker 2>the natural noise.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. Its inherent structure, specifically its efficiency ratio, and

526
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<v Speaker 3>its distinction from the natural noise can be identified as

527
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<v Speaker 3>a product of selection and evolution, and this structure uniquely

528
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<v Speaker 3>and robustly implies the presence of life. Life that has

529
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<v Speaker 3>contended with universal constraints.

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<v Speaker 2>This challenge is SETI to pivot from focusing on content

531
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<v Speaker 2>or raw complexity to focusing on structural properties, efficiency and minimal.

532
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<v Speaker 3>Energy, and that makes the search much more generalizable. It

533
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<v Speaker 3>fulfills that theoretical need we identified earlier. We don't have

534
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<v Speaker 3>to assume they use radio or binary code, or even

535
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<v Speaker 3>that they're humanoid.

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<v Speaker 2>We just have to assume they evolved under the universal

537
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<v Speaker 2>resource constraints of physics.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is a far more empirically grounded assumption than any

539
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<v Speaker 3>assumption about their technological specifics. It connects the dots between

540
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<v Speaker 3>diverse biological insights and deep space astrobiology, ensuring that the

541
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<v Speaker 3>search for life remains truly universal.

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<v Speaker 2>This research is clearly part of a growing chorus within

543
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<v Speaker 2>the scientific community dedicated to radically expanding the scope of SETI.

544
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<v Speaker 2>If we are moving beyond leaky radio and inefficient lasers.

545
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<v Speaker 3>What's NOx What exotic technologies are people preparing to look for,

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<v Speaker 3>and how does this firefly model influence those searches. Yeah,

547
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<v Speaker 3>while the field is rapidly moving toward highly focused advanced concepts,

548
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<v Speaker 3>one major area is looking for spillover from directed energy

549
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<v Speaker 3>propulsion and communications.

550
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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean spillover?

551
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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about highly focused beams, maybe powerful microwave or

552
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<v Speaker 3>laser beams used to push interstellar probes. A tiny fraction

553
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<v Speaker 3>of that directed energy might just leak into our detectable path.

554
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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense. Directed energy is already vastly more efficient

555
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<v Speaker 2>than a broadcast signal. A small amount of spillover from

556
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<v Speaker 2>a massive efficiency driven project would still be a detectable anomaly.

557
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, And the Firefly model tells us how to look

558
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<v Speaker 3>at that spillover. It won't look like a sloppy radio wave.

559
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<v Speaker 3>It will likely exhibit structural properties that suggest maximum directionality

560
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<v Speaker 3>and minimal side lobe scatter.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be optimized for efficiency. It will what about

562
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<v Speaker 2>truly exotic concepts like quantum communications or neutrino signals?

563
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<v Speaker 3>Those are incredibly challenging, but the theory dictates the search. Neutrinos,

564
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<v Speaker 3>for instance, are particles that interact very weakly with matter

565
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<v Speaker 3>that makes them almost impossible to block.

566
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<v Speaker 2>So they'd be useful for communicating across incredibly dense regions

567
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<v Speaker 2>of space or even through planets.

568
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<v Speaker 3>If an ETI is using neutrinos, they are prioritizing stealth

569
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<v Speaker 3>and penetrability over easy detection, but they would still be

570
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<v Speaker 3>constrained by the massive power needed to generate a detectable neutrino.

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<v Speaker 2>Beam, and the firefly model applies there too.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, if we detect an artificial neutrino signal, it won't

573
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<v Speaker 3>be a remarkable because it's loud, but because its structural

574
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<v Speaker 3>profile is the most energy efficient way possible to overcome

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<v Speaker 3>the natural background of cosmic neutrinos. We're still looking for

576
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<v Speaker 3>the structural signature of optimization, not raw power, which.

577
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<v Speaker 2>Means the instruments we need are growing. Accordingly, we're moving

578
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<v Speaker 2>far beyond just radio dishes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh indeed, we're talking about using everything from massive radio

580
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<v Speaker 3>arrays and advanced infrared telescopes to highly specialize new trino

581
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<v Speaker 3>detectors buried deep underground or under Antarctic ice, and.

582
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe even more futuristic instruments like harnessing a solo gravitational

583
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<v Speaker 2>lens to boost weak signals.

584
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<v Speaker 3>But the critical theoretical step, the one this firefly model provides,

585
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 3>is teaching us what features of those signals, regardless of

586
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<v Speaker 3>the physical medium, we should prioritize. Look for the pattern

587
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<v Speaker 3>of optimization, not the content of the message.

588
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<v Speaker 2>This has been a deeply satisfying exploration. I mean, we've

589
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<v Speaker 2>moved from the classic radio dishes of the nineteen sixties

590
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<v Speaker 2>that massive technology, looking from massive energy.

591
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<v Speaker 3>To the quiet, elegant bioluminescence of a summer evening, looking

592
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<v Speaker 3>for the universal principle of efficiency.

593
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<v Speaker 2>The central argument we've unpacked is clear SETI is fundamentally

594
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<v Speaker 2>shifting its philosophy. We are moving from looking for a

595
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<v Speaker 2>reflection of twentieth century human technology.

596
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<v Speaker 3>To looking for the universal fingerprints of evolution that inescapable

597
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<v Speaker 3>pressure of physical laws.

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<v Speaker 2>And those fingerprints, based on this firefly protocol, are signals

599
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<v Speaker 2>that are maximally distinct from background noise and minimally energetic

600
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<v Speaker 2>to produce.

601
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<v Speaker 3>They're optimized for survival in a resource limited universe, whether

602
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<v Speaker 3>they manifest as radio pulses, optical flashes, or some future

603
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<v Speaker 3>quantum medium we haven't even thought of.

604
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<v Speaker 2>The most crucial point for you to remember, I think,

605
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<v Speaker 2>is this successful integration of diverse biological insights animal communication,

606
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<v Speaker 2>digital bioacoustics into astrobiology.

607
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<v Speaker 3>We have to stop restricting our imagination to what we

608
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<v Speaker 3>do today and start looking for what life universally does

609
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<v Speaker 3>when faced with the laws of physics and the pressure

610
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<v Speaker 3>of selection. The most advanced communicators may not be the loudest.

611
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<v Speaker 2>But the quietest and most efficient.

612
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<v Speaker 3>That's where the elegance lies. The firefly model gives us

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<v Speaker 3>a testable, empirically grounded hypothesis for the nature of advanced communication.

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<v Speaker 3>It tells us that high intelligence might not be defined

615
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<v Speaker 3>by maximal complexity.

616
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<v Speaker 2>But by profound simplicity and optimization.

617
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<v Speaker 3>And if life, no matter where it evolves, must contend

618
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<v Speaker 3>with universal environmental noise and resource limitations, and the clearest

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<v Speaker 3>sign of intelligence isn't a complex, semantically decipherable message, but.

620
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<v Speaker 2>The simplest, most energy efficient pattern that survives evolutionary and

621
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<v Speaker 2>physical pressure. The pattern itself is the message. It carries

622
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<v Speaker 2>the structural signature of intelligence, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That raises an incredibly provocative final question for you to

624
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<v Speaker 3>mull over as you look up at the sky tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>If cosmic communication tends toward ultimate simplicity and elegance due

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<v Speaker 2>to evolutionary pressure, what does that suggest about the ongoing

627
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<v Speaker 2>complexity and noise of the communication systems we ourselves are

628
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<v Speaker 2>still generating here on earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps the enduring silence of the cosmos is not the

630
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<v Speaker 3>absence of advanced life, but simply the presence of life

631
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<v Speaker 3>that has learned to communicate so efficiently, so quietly, using

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<v Speaker 3>patterns of optimization. We haven't yet learned how to listen for.

633
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<v Speaker 2>We might be searching for a shout when we should

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<v Speaker 2>be searching for the rhythm of a whispers. Sai L.
