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<v Speaker 2>Oh hey, it's old that word von podcast at the mic, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up? Hi?

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<v Speaker 3>Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>It's Ali Ward. So me and my hair were back

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<v Speaker 2>for another episode. This one is way less about drain clocks,

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<v Speaker 2>almost no drain clocks in this way. More butterflies involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and their friend moths. I feel like moths are

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<v Speaker 2>very much like the hot character's dork here friend in

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<v Speaker 2>a teen movie who you're like, no one is ever

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<v Speaker 2>going to kiss them, but in real life they're probably

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<v Speaker 2>the cooler ones anyway. But anyway, lipidopterrology, it just it

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<v Speaker 2>flutters by you. We're going to talk about it. We're

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<v Speaker 2>also going to discuss its butt and how its nose

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<v Speaker 2>is on sticks jutting out from its head. They're weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Butterflies are weird. But first, a big, big thank you

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<v Speaker 2>This week, Lakota Blaine said, this podcast is gonna blow

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<v Speaker 2>your mother friending mind on how this world works. Ali

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<v Speaker 2>is like Albert Einstein, wrapped in the curiosity of a

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<v Speaker 2>child and has the wisdom of a well experienced grandmother.

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<v Speaker 2>I just pictured my bosoms being so pendulous and just

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<v Speaker 2>some chin whiskers. But I'm cool with it, Okay. Lepidopterology

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<v Speaker 2>what a word, so many syllables. You gotta remember, you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta not mess up. But it's a study of butterflies

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<v Speaker 2>and moths of the order Lepidoptera, which comes from Greek

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<v Speaker 2>words for scale and wing. Very sexy. So this ologist

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<v Speaker 2>I've known for almost five years, I think, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>But as a bug nerd, I saw some of his

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<v Speaker 2>insect photos on Instagram and he's such a really, really

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<v Speaker 2>good photographer. So I forced him to be my internet

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<v Speaker 2>friend and then my in real life friend, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we introduced each other to our other science friends and

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<v Speaker 2>now we're all on a WhatsApp thread called Scorpions on

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<v Speaker 2>our Faces. We are the ones who fueled everyone's bug

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<v Speaker 2>questions and my only aim in life is to deliver

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<v Speaker 2>insect ideas faster than him, and it only works sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's just because he's on a plane or he's

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<v Speaker 2>shooting one of his several TV shows he works on,

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<v Speaker 2>and i'mybe able to get in before him, and I

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<v Speaker 2>look like a hero. You may have seen him on

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<v Speaker 2>Animal Planet, Al Jazeera America's show Techno. He's been on

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<v Speaker 2>the Discovery Channel and others. He's working on a new show.

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<v Speaker 2>He also has a YouTube series called aptly Jungle Diaries.

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<v Speaker 2>So we sat down in LA while he was on

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<v Speaker 2>the West Coast, and I lobbed one million butterfly questions

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<v Speaker 2>at his face, and we talked about the differences between

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<v Speaker 2>mops and butterflies, the most butterflies he's ever seen in

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<v Speaker 2>one place, and what children's toys are in his field kit,

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<v Speaker 2>and why he sniffs butterflies, and the truly disgusting behaviors

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<v Speaker 2>and preferences of the world's most fond over and respected insects.

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<v Speaker 2>They are disgusting. We talk about sex and mating. So

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<v Speaker 2>slow down, perch on a flower and open your ears

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<v Speaker 2>for some delightful facts and harrowing jungle tales from one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite entomologists, a guy I call Philly t

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<v Speaker 2>Exoskeletorres lepidopterologist Phil Tarres.

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<v Speaker 3>Butterflies are the best.

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<v Speaker 2>It appears this is your micro Ooh, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's karaoke night. I know, it really is great. Just

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<v Speaker 2>you just hold it like you're doing a stand up bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you point it at your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Pointed at your face, Philly t exoskeleatorist, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>being here, happy to be here. Okay, So you are,

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<v Speaker 2>by all accounts a lepidopterologist.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go with that. Yes, backgrounds and entomology, and I

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<v Speaker 3>focus a lot of my work on butterflies because they're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are they the best? I'm getting right into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a lot of it has to do with

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<v Speaker 3>going way back for me. So when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>I was out there bringing home bones and snakes and

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<v Speaker 3>And then I started taking these butterfly classes as a

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<v Speaker 3>kid when I was seven years old. And this guy,

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Andy Warren, who's now the collections manager at University

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<v Speaker 3>of Florida. He's like amazing butterfly researcher. He taught these

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<v Speaker 3>classes and he was in high school at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I was seven years old, and I was learning about

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<v Speaker 3>how to collect them, how to mount them, how to

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<v Speaker 3>identify them, how to collect like store the right data.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a blest and we were out there.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember when I was eight, me and this kid

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<v Speaker 3>next to me were running after this thing, the golf ertilary.

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<v Speaker 2>The gulf fritillary, by the way, is this cute little

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<v Speaker 2>orange umber and dark brown butterfly. And the underside of

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<v Speaker 2>its wings have these crazy gorgeous metallic silvery patches. So

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<v Speaker 2>from the top it looks like the palette for a

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving tablescape, but on the underside it has markings like

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<v Speaker 2>a Lady Gaga Super Bowl costume for the future. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>golf fritillary.

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<v Speaker 3>And he caught it. I missed it, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>like the first state record ever recorded in Colorado. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, okay, if we can do that at this age,

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<v Speaker 3>imagine what we can do when I'm like a real

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<v Speaker 3>human and an adult.

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<v Speaker 2>The eight year olds are not real.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, what happened when he caught it? Were you like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations out?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it was just it was all excitement.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. It was pretty There's probably some high fives.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know what the cool word was

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<v Speaker 3>back then, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably rad.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably rad. I don't know, I was eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, probably a big word. Bition is a big word. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>does doctor Andy Andy Warren?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you are you guys still? Are you pals?

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<v Speaker 3>Totally? We're totally palced still And it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>So you too can digitally befriend Andy Warren, the lepidopterologist

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<v Speaker 2>who inspired Phil. He is at Andy bug Guy on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can have at it. Andy will probably be

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<v Speaker 2>confused about the sudden spike in his timeline, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is a lovely buffet of butterfly and moth photos. Totally

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<v Speaker 2>worth it. Gently stock him.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, actually I talked to him about getting on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's just like killing the game. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you have any butterfly questions, he just he knows it.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows everything. So he's like the grand master and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like his understudy.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I know, because I know that you answer

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions when it comes to butterfly, I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't help it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is it harder for you to answer a

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<v Speaker 2>question of like what is this caterpillar? Versus what is

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<v Speaker 2>this butterfly?

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<v Speaker 3>It is? I mean you you tend to spend more

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<v Speaker 3>time working on at least for me, working on the

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<v Speaker 3>adult and memorizing the different species and on where they're

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<v Speaker 3>found and all that kind of thing. And the caterpillars

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<v Speaker 3>can be a little trickier. Some are more obvious than others.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that if it looks like bird poop, then

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably a swallowtail caterpillar.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 3>That is true. Yeah, a lot of the younger in

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<v Speaker 3>stars they will mimic bird poop, so well, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 3>so smart on a citrus tree especially, So if you

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<v Speaker 3>are like smelling a nice orange and you see some

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<v Speaker 3>bird poop crawling around, you'd be like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 3>that might be a swallowtail butterfly.

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<v Speaker 2>What's worse than roving bird poop? And they're like, surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>how jubby caterpillar? Side note, if you are like what

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<v Speaker 2>is this in star business, don't worry. As much. As

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<v Speaker 2>I have been a bug lover for the years, I

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<v Speaker 2>just learned this word recently. I didn't know it. It

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<v Speaker 2>just means the different stages, like in this case caterpillars,

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<v Speaker 2>So they just keep molting into a larger size until

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<v Speaker 2>they're ready to pupate. So imagine kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>Russian nesting doll situation, but squishy, and at the very

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<v Speaker 2>last stage they turn into a purse and then out

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<v Speaker 2>of the purse pops a kite or a drone, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, what kind of crazy witchcraft magic is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of progressions, so let's talk about your path. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>at what point did you decide you were going to

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<v Speaker 2>study entomology and butterflies.

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<v Speaker 3>I was eleven years old and I had to write

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<v Speaker 3>a paper in middle school saying what do you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do when you grow up? And I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to study entomology at Cornell And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>because that's where Andy went to study as well, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's just the best undergrad program that i'd found, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was amazing, and I was just like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what I want to do, because he would

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<v Speaker 3>tell these stories of you know, he just came back

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<v Speaker 3>from South Africa and discovered species a month in Brazil

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<v Speaker 3>and all these places around the world. So I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a job out there. You get to chase

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<v Speaker 3>after things with a butterfly nets, make real discoveries and

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<v Speaker 3>explore the world, and that just sounds like a blast,

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<v Speaker 3>not to mention you get to like have fun doing it,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you make bait traps that smell terrible, and it

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<v Speaker 3>just like stuff that kids love. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to stick with this for forever.

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<v Speaker 2>How many countries do you think you've been to in

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<v Speaker 2>a quest to look at butterflies and bugs and snakes,

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<v Speaker 2>sticks and bones.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe like fifteen or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Phil has traveled through most of Latin America, Mongolia, He's

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<v Speaker 2>done work in Europe. The dude has some frequent flyer miles.

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<v Speaker 3>You get around, and that's that's really what drew me

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<v Speaker 3>to science in general, is just this idea that I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been a really nice career that I think. I

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<v Speaker 3>did my first expedition when I was nineteen years old

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<v Speaker 3>and worked with the grad student. We spent three and

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<v Speaker 3>Thirty five on this trip. I mean, it was he

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<v Speaker 3>were there's in Venezuela a lot of these beetles. This

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<v Speaker 3>and that's where it specializes. So like, imagine being nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>Phil had an experience growing up that always stuck with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to say right up top, it involved

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<v Speaker 2>recurring theme in Phil's life in US this episode. By

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<v Speaker 2>out the door, like bye bye, I'm off gone to

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<v Speaker 2>the janga. This episode will inspire you to wreck your life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be great anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So my dad's family's from Nicaragua. And when I

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen at the times, we did two trips. As a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>I reached out to the lead entomologist in Nicodagua saying, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>Can I get a permit to collect butterflies and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>send you photos and kind of we can id them together.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was like sure, and I was like, sweet,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go find some butterflies. So we were there visiting family.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I was like, okay, we have to go

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<v Speaker 3>to this really remote rainforest in one area down by

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<v Speaker 3>they're beautiful because they're kind of transparent and just really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a note to say that a glass wing is

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the wings are totally see through, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like it exists, but it doesn't. And whenever

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<v Speaker 2>weird kind of goosebumps and like a squeaky feeling in

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<v Speaker 2>my tummers, like a vertigo, Like how are you a

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<v Speaker 2>mostly transparent animal? Anyway? So Phil found a really cool one.

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<v Speaker 3>Butterfly usually find a higher elevation or shadier areas in

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<v Speaker 3>the tropics, and I went home mounted this butterfly, put

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<v Speaker 3>the location data, all that kind of thing. And then

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<v Speaker 3>a few months later, my uncle who lives down there,

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<v Speaker 3>sent us a newspaper article saying, hey, new species of

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<v Speaker 3>butterfly has been collected on this volcano, Mombacho, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>only three specimens that have ever been found. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I looked at my collection. I was like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>I have the fourth one. And I was like a teenager,

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<v Speaker 3>was another one of those moments where I'm like, holy, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>if I just did this right now, because there's so

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<v Speaker 3>few people out there appreciating these things, imagine what else

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<v Speaker 3>I can do if I make a career out of this.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's called not Biogenes to loso mumbachuenses. So that

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<v Speaker 3>quite a mouthful umbacho part. That's the subspecies found on

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<v Speaker 2>What does the whole name mean? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Not Bogenes to loso mumbatuenzis Tolosa's my guess. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, let's look it up.

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<v Speaker 3>We can dig into this. I wonder we get the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know the year old dad tried

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<v Speaker 2>real hard to find the meaning of this scientific name,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just plumb struck out, kiddos. It was named

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen fifty one by an entomologist, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what it means. Spam, I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea, you know what. Let's back up. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>back up. Let's get to some easier questions first. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's define a butterfly. Okay, so I I know

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<v Speaker 2>what a butterfly looks like. But what's the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>a butterfly and a moth? What's the difference between a

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<v Speaker 2>butterfly and another winged insect? What makes it a lepidopterrology.

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<v Speaker 3>So lepidoptera translates as like scaly wing. Okay, so that's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the number one things. You look at those

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<v Speaker 3>wings and they're covered in little tiny scales and that's

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<v Speaker 3>how they get their color. Oh, and that color can

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<v Speaker 3>be really brilliant and colorful or it can be drabbing brown,

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<v Speaker 3>and it kind of depends on the thing. So butterflies

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<v Speaker 3>get a lot of the glory because we see them

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<v Speaker 3>more often because they're diurnal.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait what is that word again? Diurnal?

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<v Speaker 3>Fy.

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<v Speaker 2>I avoid this word a lot because I'm afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>saying it wrong, and also it sounds like a pea toilet,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just means not nocturnal. So butterflies awake during

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<v Speaker 2>the day, which is more than I can say for

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<v Speaker 2>myself sometimes, and they're just prettier.

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<v Speaker 3>But really, butterflies are a type of day flying moth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so weird.

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<v Speaker 3>So when we look at the family tree, there's like

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<v Speaker 3>moth moth, moth, butterfly and moth moth moth, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of considered and you know amongst most people as

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<v Speaker 3>like butterflies on the left and moths on the right.

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<v Speaker 3>But really it's this branch of moths that evolved into

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<v Speaker 3>this superfamily papillion idea that has really done well during

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<v Speaker 3>the day. And that's why it has all these bright colors,

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<v Speaker 3>because those colors help it camouflage or identify a mate,

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<v Speaker 3>or to show that it's poisonous if it has like

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<v Speaker 3>bright orange and yellow and black colors, or to mimic

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<v Speaker 3>something that is poisonous and it's they were great. So

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<v Speaker 3>to tell the difference between moth and butterfly color is

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<v Speaker 3>one thing. Also, look at the way they rest. So

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<v Speaker 3>a moth generally has its wings folded down when it's resting,

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<v Speaker 3>and a butterfly generally has its wings folded up tucked

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<v Speaker 3>behind it when it's resting.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So it's like a stealth fighter versus a sailboat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, that is great. I'm going to use that.

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<v Speaker 2>You are welcome. Please cite me in all you got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Flies are up.

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<v Speaker 3>Typically, typically there are some that break the rules. The

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<v Speaker 3>rule that basically is never broken is looking at the antenna. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so a butterfly, imagine, you know you have these too

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<v Speaker 3>long stalks at the top are too long, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>things sticking out, and then at the very end it

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<v Speaker 3>gets a little thick, a little club. If it's got

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<v Speaker 3>like a club at the end, you were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a butterfly. Here, if it's straight or feathery, we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a moth, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And do they have wildly different eyesight or wildly different

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<v Speaker 2>like olfactory senses.

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<v Speaker 3>Eyesight for sure. Butterflies fly anything that's flying by day.

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<v Speaker 3>There are moths that fly by day as well. They're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be very visual, so they're looking for brightly

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<v Speaker 3>colored flowers that are telling them, hey, we've got some

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<v Speaker 3>nectar for you. They're looking for conspecifics, others of the

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<v Speaker 3>same species to figure out if they want to mate

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<v Speaker 3>or chase them out of their territory. They're looking for

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<v Speaker 3>predators flying around. They have pretty decent vision to look

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<v Speaker 3>for anything swooping at them, and you learn that when

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<v Speaker 3>you're trying to catch them with a butterfly net. They're

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<v Speaker 3>very tricky. Sometimes exercise it is. It is very good exercise. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the real jungle gym. When you're out there in

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<v Speaker 3>the rainforest and you're swinging these things, it's tricky. Some

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<v Speaker 3>species are way easier to catch, and they're kind of

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<v Speaker 3>low flying and just flopping around and then others are

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<v Speaker 3>just they're like jet fighters. They're really tough, really agile,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're really tricky, which is why sometimes bait traps

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, because I've seen a video of you in your

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube series of Jungle Diaries where you have the world's

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, how long is it?

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<v Speaker 2>And how heavy is that? Because you've got to get

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<v Speaker 2>up in the canopy?

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Yes, I was working with my friend doctor Susan Finkbeiner.

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<v Speaker 2>Pil and doctor fink Biner went to Cornell together, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's now one of the top butterfly researchers ever in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. She's super tough, she works deep in the jungle,

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<v Speaker 2>and she uses this nuts the longest butterfly net available

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<v Speaker 2>possibly on the open market, to catch butterflies in the

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<v Speaker 2>rainforest canopy. It extends thirty five feet. It's a thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five foot long net. I looked all over for on

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<v Speaker 2>the internet. I couldn't even find one to see how

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<v Speaker 2>much they cost. I think she had to build it herself. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Phil was like, I'm a buff dude, I can do that. Also, No,

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<v Speaker 2>this was not his verbatim thoughts. I just editorialized them anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, I got this, teach me how to

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<v Speaker 2>use it. I'm gonna look just like you.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't pan out that way. We have to like

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<v Speaker 3>hike up this crazy stream. And I mean it was

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<v Speaker 3>amazing place to work, like that's her office every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty great. But then you open up the butterfly net

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<v Speaker 3>and I couldn't even I could barely hold the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks so heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>It just keeps It's like a clown car. You just

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<v Speaker 2>keep extending and extending, like extending it.

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<v Speaker 3>My arm got tired. I was like, can we is

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<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, holding it you have to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>accurately was a whole other level. But it was. It

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<v Speaker 3>was a blest And every time I do something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this is such a fun job, Like studying butterflies.

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<v Speaker 3>You just get to do these crazy things like swing

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five foot nets in the middle of the jungle.

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<v Speaker 2>But what about the bait traps? If you're like, my

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<v Speaker 2>a pile of dung, and see what happens. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>what happens because you mentioned they were smelly.

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<v Speaker 3>They are smelly. So bait traps you get creative. And

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<v Speaker 3>so sometimes you will use a banana bait trap, and

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<v Speaker 3>You add some water, maybe some sugar, maybe some beer,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you close it up and you let it

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<v Speaker 3>ferment for a few days. You open it up if

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<v Speaker 3>it smells nives in a ripe and like you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be anywhere near it. Then you got some

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<v Speaker 3>good bait and then you set it in a little

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<v Speaker 3>cup and in this kind of like cylinder net thing

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<v Speaker 3>at floating you know, it'll be floating below the cylinder

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<v Speaker 3>and then flies up, and when they fly up, they

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's like the most PG thirteen version of a

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<v Speaker 3>butterfly bait. Okay, But then you get a little interesting

418
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<v Speaker 3>and we will use rotten fish, so we will ferment

419
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<v Speaker 3>like tunic cans, and that was horrible. We will add

420
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<v Speaker 3>human urine to it. Hell, yeah, and that doesn't make

421
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<v Speaker 3>it any better. And then you can also use.

422
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, poop anything, in particular carnivore poop.

423
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<v Speaker 3>So if you're a vegan, I'm sorry, but your poop

424
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<v Speaker 3>probably won't cut it. If you are a carnivore, you

425
00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.799
<v Speaker 3>have enough. You've got some like good sodium and maybe

426
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<v Speaker 3>even some nitrogen they might be going for in there, Okay,

427
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<v Speaker 3>And so I always joke that, I mean, seeing a

428
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<v Speaker 3>jaguar in the wild is an amazing thing, and knowing

429
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<v Speaker 3>that they're around, finding images of them on camera traps

430
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<v Speaker 3>is great. But what I'm after is jaguar poop, because

431
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<v Speaker 3>when you find jaguar poop, you will see some of

432
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<v Speaker 3>the rarest butterflies that generally are only found way upon

433
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<v Speaker 3>the canopy, but they will come down to the ground

434
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<v Speaker 3>to feed on that steamy pile of goods. And that's

435
00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.720
<v Speaker 3>just it. There's all these rare resources out there, and

436
00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:21.599
<v Speaker 3>so if you make a bait that smells like a

437
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<v Speaker 3>rare resource like pea or rotten fish or rotten fruit,

438
00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:28.599
<v Speaker 3>then the butterflies will come.

439
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<v Speaker 2>I love that The most PG. Thirteen version of this

440
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<v Speaker 2>is something that has to do with beer, Like it

441
00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.079
<v Speaker 2>gets so gross from there that the most innocent thing

442
00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:38.200
<v Speaker 2>is putting out beer for.

443
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.039
<v Speaker 3>Butterfly, it is. And you're fermenting this fruit, right, which

444
00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:43.480
<v Speaker 3>is how you make alcohol in the first place, so

445
00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.480
<v Speaker 3>it becomes slightly alcoholic. And you actually kind of see

446
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<v Speaker 3>that these butterflies get a little drunk.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

448
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<v Speaker 3>It is very true.

449
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<v Speaker 2>How can you tell?

450
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.880
<v Speaker 3>They're just like getting in bar fights and stuff there.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Now you can actually discern which butterflies become a kneeb

452
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<v Speaker 2>on fermenting fruit if you look super closely, because on

453
00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>some specimens you can see a really small tattoo of

454
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<v Speaker 2>a human on the lower back of the butterfly. So

455
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:14.680
<v Speaker 2>the love is very mutual. They love us too. Ps.

456
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<v Speaker 2>If you'd like a rabbit hole to go down, type

457
00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.960
<v Speaker 2>in drunk butterflies on YouTube, and you're gonna find some

458
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<v Speaker 2>gems like this one from ann a girl mpath. His

459
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.200
<v Speaker 2>tongue's all curled again, so he's not eating. He's just

460
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of chilling. So we may both be suckers for

461
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<v Speaker 2>getting shmammren on a hooch. But a butterfly brain is

462
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<v Speaker 2>a little different than ours. They have a lump of

463
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<v Speaker 2>ganglia and the head to control the eyes and the

464
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<v Speaker 2>antennae and the coiled birthday party horn of a proboscis,

465
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<v Speaker 2>but it also extends down their body. Their brain goes

466
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<v Speaker 2>all the way down their body to help their back

467
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<v Speaker 2>end make decisions, which honestly would be very helpful in humans,

468
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<v Speaker 2>especially drunk ones.

469
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<v Speaker 3>But yes, they can get a little drunk like us.

470
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<v Speaker 2>What okay, Well, this brings me to a question if

471
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<v Speaker 2>they can drink and eat? How many moths? How many

472
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<v Speaker 2>butterflies actually eat as adults, because don't a lot of

473
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<v Speaker 2>them just chub it up when they're bibis and they're done.

474
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<v Speaker 2>They're like, I'm an adult. All I want to do

475
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<v Speaker 2>is mate.

476
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<v Speaker 3>Caterpillars are just big feeding tubes, okay, And they just

477
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:20.960
<v Speaker 3>eat and eat and eat, and they just try to

478
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<v Speaker 3>grow into a thing that will then turn into a

479
00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:26.240
<v Speaker 3>chrystalis or a cocon and then turn into an adult.

480
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<v Speaker 2>So some species feed as adults and live a little

481
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<v Speaker 2>longer so that they can have a better chance of

482
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<v Speaker 2>finding a mate, maybe a few mates. Hey. Other species

483
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<v Speaker 2>don't live as long, and thus they don't even bother

484
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<v Speaker 2>growing mouths, which is like hello, American horror story, butterfly season.

485
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<v Speaker 3>They don't have mouthparts because they eat a bunch as

486
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<v Speaker 3>a shelby caterpillar and now they're like, I just got

487
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<v Speaker 3>a mate. So with them, it is a pheromona. Now,

488
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.160
<v Speaker 3>butterflies will have pheromones too, but with moths it can

489
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<v Speaker 3>be way stronger. So if you take a female soiak moth,

490
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<v Speaker 3>a big let's say, lou a moth, and you stick

491
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<v Speaker 3>it in you know, kind of a mesh whatever, a

492
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<v Speaker 3>mesh bag, she will release this pheromone out into the world.

493
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<v Speaker 3>And if you wait all night, that thing will have

494
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<v Speaker 3>like a dozen males that have tracked it down. And

495
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<v Speaker 3>the way they do it is they have the males

496
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<v Speaker 3>have these big feathery antenna that are super super sensitive.

497
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<v Speaker 3>They can detect like a single molecule from like two

498
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<v Speaker 3>miles away, and they'll be like, there is a female

499
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.559
<v Speaker 3>around here, let's find her. And they do kind of

500
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<v Speaker 3>a zigzag pattern to triangulate and to figure out where

501
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<v Speaker 3>she is. And then when they find her, they they

502
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<v Speaker 3>know that they got something to do and they try

503
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<v Speaker 3>to mate.

504
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<v Speaker 2>How pissed were they that she was in a mesh bag?

505
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<v Speaker 3>They were so pissed, Like I came in this whole way.

506
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:46.440
<v Speaker 2>She's like, sorry, I'm in a bag tonight maybe tomorrow. Now,

507
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<v Speaker 2>how is it different for butterflies. How do they find

508
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<v Speaker 2>each other just by peeping each other on a flower? Like, Hey,

509
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<v Speaker 2>I saw you on the flower back there. You look

510
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<v Speaker 2>pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it'll be a visual thing usually because they have

512
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<v Speaker 3>colors that we can see and also UV colors as well.

513
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<v Speaker 3>And then from a close distance, it will oftentimes be

514
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<v Speaker 3>a mix of behavior and smell. Okay, so certain species,

515
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:10.960
<v Speaker 3>males will defend a territory and wait for a female

516
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.319
<v Speaker 3>to come by. Other times they'll be cruising around looking

517
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<v Speaker 3>for a female. Sleep baby. Maybe you want to roll

518
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:21.240
<v Speaker 3>my windows down and close, so that kind of makes

519
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.480
<v Speaker 3>a difference. But then up close, butterflies too have a pheromone,

520
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 3>and the best thing about butterfly mating is that their

521
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<v Speaker 3>pheromones smell really really good, super good.

522
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<v Speaker 2>Is this just a personal fetish from a lepidopterologist or

523
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:39.559
<v Speaker 2>would you say so a little bit?

524
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<v Speaker 3>But so, when I was in Peru a couple of

525
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:46.960
<v Speaker 3>months ago, we found this one butterfly and it was on.

526
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<v Speaker 3>Butterflies sleep underneath leaves in the tropics, So if you're

527
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<v Speaker 3>walking around at night and you shine lights underneath leaves,

528
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 3>you'll see a little butterfly tucked in, and so you

529
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:56.319
<v Speaker 3>can catch them in a way that they're they're totally

530
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.000
<v Speaker 3>not harmed, open up their wings and give it a sniff,

531
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<v Speaker 3>and if it's a male. In certain groups, I pass

532
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 3>this around ten out of ten people, where like, this

533
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:06.960
<v Speaker 3>smells exactly like brownie batter?

534
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Why brownie batter?

535
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.400
<v Speaker 3>Like not even cooked brownies, we're talking the batter. This

536
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 3>is so different, and I think it's just it's a

537
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:17.119
<v Speaker 3>mix of incidental that it smells like that. And also

538
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.079
<v Speaker 3>this group is known to feed on plants like banana

539
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.920
<v Speaker 3>and certain plants that may have some chemicals in them

540
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.480
<v Speaker 3>that are volatile and smell nice. And so when the

541
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 3>caterpillar eats, it gets into the adult, and so these

542
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 3>chemicals have taken a long journey and they have components

543
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 3>in them that are kind of like fruit like or

544
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 3>food like, and it's it's delicious. And so there's some

545
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.279
<v Speaker 3>that smell like that, there's some that smell exactly like

546
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.400
<v Speaker 3>maple syrup, some that smell like cake, some that smell

547
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 3>like barbecue potato chips.

548
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:48.119
<v Speaker 2>That's so specific.

549
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.279
<v Speaker 3>So if you guys ever catch a butterfly, please please

550
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 3>smell it and let me know. The black swallowtails that

551
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.720
<v Speaker 3>you get around here actually the tiger swallowtails as well.

552
00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 3>The males in the US smell like fruit loops, exactly

553
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 3>like fruit loops.

554
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:04.920
<v Speaker 2>How did you discover this? Is this the thing that

555
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 2>lepidopterologists know about.

556
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:08.960
<v Speaker 3>They know and they kind of pass on. I think

557
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:13.519
<v Speaker 3>I probably sniff more than other lipidopterologies, but I just

558
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 3>like using my nose. I think it's it is when

559
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 3>you work a lot with animals, or when you work

560
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.599
<v Speaker 3>a lot in the jungle, you start to use your

561
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.720
<v Speaker 3>senses a lot more, and not in like like b

562
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.079
<v Speaker 3>one with the earth way. It's just like you do

563
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>because you notice, Okay, if you want to find monkeys

564
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:31.279
<v Speaker 3>in the jungle, you don't crane your neck looking up,

565
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:33.799
<v Speaker 3>use your ears and you'll hear a little crash and

566
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, okay, that's a big crash, that's a capuchin.

567
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 3>If it's like a running crash, then that might be

568
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.839
<v Speaker 3>a spider monkey or something. You start to use your

569
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 3>ears different and then also your nose because those resources

570
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.039
<v Speaker 3>like fermented fruit, if you are near a fruiting tree

571
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:49.720
<v Speaker 3>and you smell fermented fruit, you'd be like, oh, there

572
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 3>could be good butterflies over here, or dead animals too

573
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.759
<v Speaker 3>can attract certain things, or maybe you find a really

574
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.599
<v Speaker 3>cool dead animal that just died of natural causes, like

575
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.640
<v Speaker 3>I found my first sleep was a sloth with a

576
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 3>big bite out of it from like an ocelot or something.

577
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 3>But I was like, how cool is this? And so

578
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.680
<v Speaker 3>we used the machete and cut off its head and

579
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.400
<v Speaker 3>then preserved its head in a way that we got

580
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 3>the skull, and then we were able to take that

581
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 3>around the local schools and ecuadornge show them a slow

582
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 3>skull and teach them about it. And sloth teeth do

583
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.480
<v Speaker 3>not mess around. They may be slow, but they got

584
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 3>sharp teeth for cutting through. Yeah.

585
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I just want to interject to tell you that sloth skulls.

586
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I just looked it up. They look kind of like

587
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>a softball wearing dentures plus plastic Halloween vampire teeth, and

588
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.559
<v Speaker 2>they are cute as hell. What's the grossest thing that's

589
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.559
<v Speaker 2>happened to you in the jungle? You just talked about

590
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:44.279
<v Speaker 2>beheading a dead rotting sloth? Yeah, which I can't imagine,

591
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:46.559
<v Speaker 2>like the whack with a machete that must have been.

592
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 3>I've done it with a dead puma too, which I

593
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know. It's it's pretty gross. But you start to

594
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.079
<v Speaker 3>get a little It's like sad to see the dead things,

595
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 3>for sure, but you kind of realize like, oh, we

596
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:00.559
<v Speaker 3>can take this death and make something out of it.

597
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 3>And I think skulls and bones are great educational tools,

598
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 3>and so you just do what you gotta do.

599
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been really really scared in the field.

600
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. I definitely do get scared sometimes, and

601
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 3>I think that's okay. And one thing that helps is

602
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 3>basically just to focus on my work. If I'm out

603
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.559
<v Speaker 3>there at night, sometimes I'll hike a long which you

604
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:25.920
<v Speaker 3>probably shouldn't do. I just really focus on, Okay, what

605
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 3>is my target that I'm looking for, if it's a

606
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:31.880
<v Speaker 3>spider or sleeping butterfly or anything like that. The main thing,

607
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. We called the jungle scareds okay. That

608
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 3>is like our term that we created where if you're

609
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.599
<v Speaker 3>out there, especially at night in the jungle, even if

610
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.200
<v Speaker 3>you're with a group during a survey, sometimes you just

611
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:46.079
<v Speaker 3>get this creepy feeling that like you could turn and

612
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.400
<v Speaker 3>your headlamp would look out and there'd be a jaguar

613
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 3>just like glaring backy with glowing eyes, and that would

614
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.640
<v Speaker 3>be really scary. So we call that the jungle scared,

615
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 3>where like your mind kind of gets away from you.

616
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, okay, But feel's greatest fear in the jungle

617
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:01.039
<v Speaker 2>just shocked the socks off me. This is not what

618
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>I was expecting. Wait till you hear this. I just

619
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 2>click baited you in my own podcast. But seriously, you

620
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>won't believe what this entomologist fears most in the rainforest.

621
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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, click click. My biggest fear in the jungle is trees.

622
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.519
<v Speaker 3>What trees? Why? Because they weigh so much? That's true,

623
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.720
<v Speaker 3>and tree falls are a very natural part of the

624
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.640
<v Speaker 3>cycle of the rainforest. About two to three percent of

625
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 3>the rainforest is in the tree fall zone at any moment,

626
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 3>and every single day when you're in the jungle, you

627
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 3>were here at some point a big s and like

628
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 3>sometimes you feel that you earth shake because a tree

629
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 3>that could weigh you know, a few thousand pounds just fell,

630
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.759
<v Speaker 3>and not only did it fall, but there's vines everywhere,

631
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 3>so it took a bunch of trees next to it down.

632
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 3>And you can have this huge area cleared out that

633
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 3>if you are anywhere near, there's not a whole lot

634
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 3>you can do. And there was one time in Peru

635
00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 3>that I was out hiking. I was about a mile

636
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 3>from base camp and I hear this crazy loud storm

637
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 3>come in. I mean it sounded like a train was coming.

638
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:07.559
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard anything like that. And then the wind started,

639
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 3>and that is your biggest danger when it comes to trees,

640
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.359
<v Speaker 3>it's rain and wind, because that's what will take them down.

641
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:17.640
<v Speaker 3>And I just started, I mean I started hearing trees

642
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 3>come down, branches started falling, so I turn and sprint

643
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 3>it back. I've never sprinted a full mile, probably did

644
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:27.279
<v Speaker 3>like a four minute fifty five second mile. And there

645
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 3>was literally, I mean we're talking six four hundred pound

646
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 3>branches falling to my left and right a giant tree

647
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 3>started falling, falling in the trail in front of me,

648
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:36.839
<v Speaker 3>and I had to kind of stop, and then I

649
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 3>ran underneath it, and it was like crazy Indiana Jones movement,

650
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 3>where I was like, where's my hat that I dropped?

651
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.759
<v Speaker 3>I got a grab and yeah, I got back, and

652
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:48.119
<v Speaker 3>I just you don't mess around with that kind of thing.

653
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 3>And so there's a lot of times that I've had

654
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.279
<v Speaker 3>to cancel hikes if rain is too high or wind

655
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.400
<v Speaker 3>is too high, because you just don't want to risk it.

656
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 3>And I've had friends that have left their bag somewhere

657
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 3>and they come back, you know, an hour later, and

658
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.240
<v Speaker 3>that bag is smashed by a giant branch that fell

659
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 3>from the sky, And so it can just happen and

660
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 3>never knew.

661
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 2>I never considered this.

662
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I never.

663
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought maybe you could fall into a pit of alligators,

664
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 2>but I never for sure. Trees.

665
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, the animals, at least in the New

666
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.599
<v Speaker 3>World tropics, so central South America, generally you're you're pretty

667
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.359
<v Speaker 3>okay with most of the things that are down there.

668
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 3>There are some other tropics where you have other animals

669
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.319
<v Speaker 3>you need to be concerned about, but usually where I work,

670
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.279
<v Speaker 3>you're you're pretty good. Just don't get hit by a tree.

671
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh I have a question about gifts. Oh yeah, okay,

672
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>So I know that if you, let's say that you

673
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 2>really like pigs or dragons or or yachting or something,

674
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 2>you get a lot of gifts with that. Do you

675
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:43.839
<v Speaker 2>get a lot of butterfly and moth gifts?

676
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 3>I do? I do, And I'm okay with it because

677
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 3>I remember somebody got me like a little kitty, you know,

678
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.680
<v Speaker 3>is one of those like bug chamber things like a

679
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 3>little fold out thing that is aimed at judgeing by

680
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.640
<v Speaker 3>the font, probably aimed at like seven eight year olds. OK,

681
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, this thing's dope. And I carried

682
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 3>it around my backpack in the field for like two years,

683
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 3>and I use it all the time when I found

684
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 3>something cool, when I wanted to stick it in there,

685
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, this thing's collapsible. How great is this?

686
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 3>I need to make this for adults too.

687
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 2>I look this up and they're like five bucks on

688
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.320
<v Speaker 2>the internet, ear in a toy store, and they look

689
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 2>like tiny mesh collapsible laundry hampers. The zip down flat,

690
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:25.920
<v Speaker 2>so you can keep a bug catcher in your purse

691
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 2>or pocket at all times, like a six year old

692
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>who might just need to hang out with a cricket

693
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>or a firefly for a little bit. It's chill.

694
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 3>And also my favorite thing about gifts and butterflies are

695
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 3>the gifts that butterflies give each other, such as, for example,

696
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 3>so it's called a nuptial gift.

697
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're God.

698
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 3>When let's say you love you love a female butterfly

699
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, what do I do to impress her?

700
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh? No?

701
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.239
<v Speaker 3>So sometimes that tactic will be finding a source of sodium,

702
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 3>whether that be in mud or you know, piss or

703
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 3>that animal or jaguar boopy. You get that sodium innium.

704
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 3>And then you make a sperm packet this thing called

705
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 3>a spermatophore, and you inject the whole thing into there.

706
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.679
<v Speaker 3>So you're giving her sperm and salt.

707
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Wait a second, so you're giving her like a gift basket. Yeah,

708
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 2>that has your geas and then also just like.

709
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 3>A salt a salt junk. You're serious, yes, And it's

710
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 3>because salt is generally pretty rare out there. Plants don't

711
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.079
<v Speaker 3>have a lot of salt because it's poisonous to them,

712
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:32.880
<v Speaker 3>and so the males kind of say, hey, you're going

713
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.440
<v Speaker 3>to need this to make some nice eggs and for

714
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.480
<v Speaker 3>our babies to be happy together, so they give her

715
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 3>some salt. But there's also my favorite nuptial gift is poison. What, Yes, that.

716
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Sucks, although I guess when you buy someone or drink

717
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 2>at a bar, you're technically giving them poison, that's right. Yeah,

718
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Like here's the poison.

719
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 3>So there's this group, the glass wing butterflies, and they

720
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 3>are naturally chemically defended by the what they eat. As

721
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.679
<v Speaker 3>a caterpillar, so they have a certain type of I

722
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>think it's a cardentolided toxin in them that makes them

723
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.519
<v Speaker 3>toxic to most things like birds, but spiders can still

724
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.760
<v Speaker 3>eat them, and some other predators can still eat them.

725
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 3>So they need to get another toxin as an adult,

726
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.679
<v Speaker 3>but only the males do it. So there's certain flowers

727
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 3>out there that you will very rarely find. So when

728
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 3>you do find them, you will find a swarm of

729
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.199
<v Speaker 3>like thirty males of a bunch of different species, all

730
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 3>drinking up this nectar of these rare flowers to become

731
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 3>poisonous themselves.

732
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

733
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:35.199
<v Speaker 3>And they hold onto that poison until they mate. And

734
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 3>then when they're poisonous, that means that they're defended from

735
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.920
<v Speaker 3>things that would try to eat them and people. Scientists

736
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.599
<v Speaker 3>have done tests and found that spiders will reject eating

737
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.039
<v Speaker 3>them if they have drank from these flowers.

738
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.760
<v Speaker 2>They take a chomp and they're like, oh hell no.

739
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the spiders somehow detect it, and other predators somehow

740
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:57.039
<v Speaker 3>detect it or they've learned and yeah, and so they

741
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 3>hold onto it until they mate. Because the female doesn't

742
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 3>go for those flowers. She's busy just being a female

743
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 3>flying around, and so when he mates, he gives her sperm,

744
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 3>but he also gives her that poison. I think he

745
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Speaker 3>gives about fifty percent of what he has to the female. Yea,

746
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.239
<v Speaker 3>And then he says, here's the gift of poison. Ps.

747
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Now you're protected for life. And it's like, it sounds

748
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of crazy to give that, But it doesn't even

749
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 3>stop there, because then the eggs that she lays have

750
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.519
<v Speaker 3>like a thin layer of this poison on them too,

751
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 3>and protects them from things like parasitoids that would inject,

752
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, eggs into those eggs. And so there it's

753
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 3>pretty cool thing that you can watch these butterflies swarm

754
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 3>around this flower knowing there after single chemical here that

755
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 3>is going to go into a female when the mates,

756
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 3>and then into an egg when she lays eggs.

757
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 2>That's so romantic, it is.

758
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.119
<v Speaker 3>I do not recommend giving the gift of poison. The

759
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 3>public disclaimer right now.

760
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Alcohol and perfume both poisonous.

761
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 3>That is true. Sure, that is true.

762
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 2>You've told me before, and I would like you to

763
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.239
<v Speaker 2>expound upon this, but that butterflies are disgusting. They are

764
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 2>horribly disgusting in what way because they're so beautiful.

765
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:10.599
<v Speaker 3>They are beautiful, but they're disgusting, you guys, And you

766
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 3>find this out when you just spend enough time with them,

767
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.679
<v Speaker 3>and it's I find it hilarious. Every time I see

768
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 3>them do something even grosser, I'm just like, wow, you

769
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 3>do not stop. So let's talk about we're on the

770
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 3>topic of mating. Let's talk about mating. They do things

771
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.880
<v Speaker 3>like they have sperm plugs and when they mate with

772
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 3>the female they plug her up and say, no more

773
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.519
<v Speaker 3>males inside you. It's it's kind of gross. They also

774
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.159
<v Speaker 3>have some hooks sometimes that will like hook out the

775
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 3>sperm from the previous male and stick their own sperm

776
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 3>in there.

777
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 2>They'll clean you out like a.

778
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Clean like a pime cleaner. It's it is messy. Yeah,

779
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 3>insect Genitalia can be pretty crazy. They feed on dead animals.

780
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.199
<v Speaker 3>I've seen some of the rarest butterflies feeding on dead

781
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.159
<v Speaker 3>animals that smell horrible.

782
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Those pictures don't make it because, like a butterflies is

783
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.480
<v Speaker 2>a thing that's like on a Mother's Day card. Yeah,

784
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>but it's also on a rotten carcass.

785
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we need to make some new Mother's Day cards

786
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 3>to be like, I love you Mom, here's a dead animal,

787
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 3>but look at the beautiful butterfly in that little corner.

788
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 3>It's there nuggets. Yes, So they feed on dead animals.

789
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:21.840
<v Speaker 3>They love poop, all sorts of poop, especially if you

790
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 3>eat some meat in there, they will get drunk. Another

791
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 3>thing I've seen so a lot of it is to

792
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 3>get rare resources. So when it comes to sodium. One

793
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 3>time had a butterfly that landed on my finger and

794
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, this is really nice. And I

795
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.199
<v Speaker 3>was looking at what it was doing, and it was

796
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.639
<v Speaker 3>drinking the sweat off my finger, and I was like, fingers, sweaty,

797
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 3>sweaty fingers. When you're out there, trust me, your fingers

798
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Speaker 3>get sweaty. I don't want to. Yeah, it's gross. But

799
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:52.440
<v Speaker 3>after a while my sweat dried, but the butterflies still

800
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 3>wanted to get that salt that was on my finger.

801
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 3>So what did it do. It would pee on my

802
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 3>finger and then turn around and drink up that peak

803
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.800
<v Speaker 3>because that basically that pea, that liquid would absorb the

804
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 3>little salt crystals and make it into a salty solution,

805
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 3>and then it would turn around and drink it up.

806
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.280
<v Speaker 3>So I would just watch it. Basically, Pete turn around,

807
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 3>drink Pete, turn around, drink on my finger, and I

808
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:22.559
<v Speaker 3>was like, you disgusting creature. You're lucky, you're beautiful, so

809
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 3>that's a given.

810
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Mountain dew dried and you're like, I know one way

811
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>to rehydriddy.

812
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 3>So gross, super gross.

813
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 2>You like that about butterflies, that they have such a

814
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 2>beautiful public image but are like secretly super nasty.

815
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, there's so much more interesting than people

816
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.079
<v Speaker 3>give them credit for. And in the entomology world, people

817
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:44.679
<v Speaker 3>like to give each other a little bit of crap

818
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 3>depending on what you study, and they'll be like, oh,

819
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:50.519
<v Speaker 3>you study micro moths, you must be weird, but butterflies

820
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.800
<v Speaker 3>seem like the easiest, most approachable insect to most people.

821
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Speaker 3>So I think some entomologists will be like just kind

822
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 3>of like dog on people who study butterflies, because they're like, oh, like,

823
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.440
<v Speaker 3>of course you stare them because they're so pretty. I

824
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.079
<v Speaker 3>study these things that are horrible looking, yeah, like.

825
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Weird botflies, and yeah, like many toothed saber maggots.

826
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, I love those saber maggots.

827
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 2>So Okay, saber maggots are not real, but botflies are

828
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>very real, and they will lay a baby in your skin,

829
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:23.480
<v Speaker 2>which hatches out like a little wormy surprise jumping out

830
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of a birthday cake. And entomologists they brag about getting

831
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.400
<v Speaker 2>bot flied, like Phil has expressed to me before his

832
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 2>chagrin and dismay and never having had one of these little, moist,

833
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>miniature alien esque beings burst from his flesh. But one day, Phil,

834
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 2>one day you'll get one.

835
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 3>And so we came up with an expression when I

836
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:48.119
<v Speaker 3>was working in Ecuador, we said, only tough guys catch butterflies,

837
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 3>because there's like they're just very complicated. They do gross things,

838
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.159
<v Speaker 3>they have really interesting behaviors. They're a really good model

839
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:00.599
<v Speaker 3>to study, and they Yeah, you have to be really

840
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.119
<v Speaker 3>tough to get out there and study these things.

841
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, you can fall into a volcano chasing an

842
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>invisible butterfly, and then the jungle is a tangle of

843
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 2>dangers and beauty and mystery. Not to mention, there is

844
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.119
<v Speaker 2>the ever present mystery of transformation that I feel like

845
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 2>that is one thing that just boggles everyone about butterflies,

846
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 2>that they are capable of such an extreme makeover. Yeah,

847
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 2>such a rebranding. Yea, what is happening when you have

848
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:34.920
<v Speaker 2>a chubby caterpillar. You have a tube of guts and

849
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 2>then it pieces out, is like catch it later gone fishing,

850
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and then it comes out as a different creature. I've

851
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 2>heard that they have the same memories and the same aversions.

852
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.719
<v Speaker 3>I think there have been some studies that have showed that, yes,

853
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 3>some of those memories and aversions can last into an adult.

854
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Some people think that they entirely turn to goo inside

855
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.239
<v Speaker 3>and then just reform. They don't entirely. There are still

856
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:03.079
<v Speaker 3>some parts that remain, these things called imaginal discs that

857
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.239
<v Speaker 3>have been with them for a long time and actually

858
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:09.360
<v Speaker 3>inside some late in star caterpillars, meaning they're very mature

859
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.639
<v Speaker 3>caterpillars about to pupate, you will actually have little bits

860
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.760
<v Speaker 3>of butterfly in them. So they're already starting to change

861
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.159
<v Speaker 3>before they get in there. Okay, and then they get

862
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:20.719
<v Speaker 3>in there, a lot of them goes down, but the

863
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 3>imaginal disc will turn into things like their eyes or

864
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 3>their wings and that kind of thing. And so it's

865
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.639
<v Speaker 3>it is a lot of work, and it is really amazing.

866
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 3>But there's some people out there. Our friend Aaron palm

867
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.440
<v Speaker 3>Rantz is an example of somebody who has figured out

868
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.199
<v Speaker 3>a way to cut a little window into a pupa

869
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.719
<v Speaker 3>what and then you can actually watch what happens on

870
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the inside.

871
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. How the hell does he do that?

872
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.679
<v Speaker 3>Just a very tiny knife and a lot of patience,

873
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 3>some soran rap, yes, and so you can actually see

874
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.079
<v Speaker 3>what's going on inside. So scientists have a pretty cool idea.

875
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.159
<v Speaker 3>They've done like MRIs or crazy scans on them to

876
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.079
<v Speaker 3>watch this transfer over time. But it is I mean,

877
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of things in nature that just

878
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:05.920
<v Speaker 3>blow your mind. And that is something that is happening

879
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.559
<v Speaker 3>every day around the world. And every kid has done.

880
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of kids grow caterpillars into adult

881
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 3>butterflies in that stage is truly impressive and really wild.

882
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Now the DNA is the same, right is a DNA

883
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.320
<v Speaker 2>expression changing? Like how does I just have no idea

884
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 2>how it works?

885
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so yeah, there will be genes that get expressed differently.

886
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 3>It is fascinating how some of the genes will turn

887
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 3>on at different times of their life or turn off

888
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.079
<v Speaker 3>at different times of their life. And it's it's all

889
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 3>stored in that same nucleus. I mean, their DNA has

890
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.360
<v Speaker 3>all the information to do all of these things throughout

891
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:39.360
<v Speaker 3>its life and now can.

892
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 2>You tell me the difference between a cocoon and a chrysalist,

893
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>because I know that those things get used a lot wrongly.

894
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:44.639
<v Speaker 2>And does it piss you off?

895
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.880
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't piss me off because I mess it up

896
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.920
<v Speaker 3>sometimes too, Okay, but just don't do it. Okay, if

897
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.039
<v Speaker 3>you're listening at home, it's going to start to piss

898
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.320
<v Speaker 3>me off now because you've heard me explain it. So

899
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.280
<v Speaker 3>chrystalis is what a butterfly creates, okay. And it's just

900
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.679
<v Speaker 3>a single little wrapping on the outside, and they're right

901
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 3>on the inside there, so you can actually see their

902
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.000
<v Speaker 3>abdomen still. You can kind of see the wings a

903
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.000
<v Speaker 3>little bit in there, and you can if you poke it,

904
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.039
<v Speaker 3>it'll wriggle a little bit. And so that is a chrysalis.

905
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:18.079
<v Speaker 3>A cocoon has a pupa inside, Okay, So that pupa

906
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 3>is basically equivalent to the chrysalis, where it is everything

907
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:26.000
<v Speaker 3>self contained right there. But the cocoon is this silky

908
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 3>thing wrapped around the pupa. And that's what a lot

909
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 3>of moths will do is they make a cocoon and

910
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 3>they take they make little silk, or they'll use their

911
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 3>hairs on their body and they make a little protective thing,

912
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.039
<v Speaker 3>and then inside that protective thing they will pupe eate.

913
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 3>They will spend the winter as a cocoon and then

914
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.320
<v Speaker 3>hatch in the spring. And so that layer of protection

915
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.360
<v Speaker 3>that the cocoon creates allows them to survive, and you know,

916
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 3>withstand the elements and that kind of thing.

917
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of times when they change from one

918
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:57.599
<v Speaker 2>instar to the when they upgrade their insta and they

919
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 2>get a little chubbier, they don't they eatin I seem

920
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.199
<v Speaker 2>to remember that when I was volunteering at the butterfly

921
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:03.599
<v Speaker 2>and they.

922
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 3>Will, especially when the hats, they'll eat their egg.

923
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Remember when I was talking about those in stars, those

924
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>like Russian nesting dolls. So caterpillars will molt into the

925
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 2>bigger size, kind of like they're unzipping their skin like

926
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 2>a sleeping bag, and then unlike a sleeping bag, they'll

927
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:21.920
<v Speaker 2>eat it. After they'll just nom nomina because it's made

928
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 2>out of them and they need to make more of themselves,

929
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:27.519
<v Speaker 2>so they just use that raw material. I was so

930
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 2>enthused to learn this fact in a museum volunteer seminar

931
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.159
<v Speaker 2>about butterflies, but quite frankly, I was more amused to

932
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 2>look up at the presenter's power point and see that

933
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.360
<v Speaker 2>on their computer desktop they labeled the butterfly keynote folder

934
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 2>but stuff. Also, speaking of skin, before we get to

935
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937
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938
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941
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942
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943
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947
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949
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950
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961
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:11.679
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962
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:12.559
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963
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:17.119
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964
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965
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:19.760
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966
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:24.079
<v Speaker 2>But before we take questions from you, our beloved listeners,

967
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.400
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968
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<v Speaker 1>You're flat eye and your to do list is growing

981
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, your questions, I got so many questions. Okay, over forty,

989
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.239
<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to try and blaze through. You don't

990
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:38.320
<v Speaker 2>have to do rapid fire.

991
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 3>But we got a lot, so just challenge accepted. Ready,

992
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:41.800
<v Speaker 3>let's it go.

993
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.199
<v Speaker 2>His butterfly time, Branag wants to know why are they

994
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:46.440
<v Speaker 2>not called flutterbys?

995
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:49.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, let's start a public campaign and change this.

996
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it all, right, flutterbys should just be what

997
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 2>they're called.

998
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I think the name butterfly comes from. There's

999
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 3>a few theories, but supposedly this came from like year

1000
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.639
<v Speaker 3>or the or England or something where one of the

1001
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 3>common butterflies around there is a sulfur which is kind

1002
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.239
<v Speaker 3>of yellowee and it looks like butterflying. But that might

1003
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 3>just be people these days being like this makes sense.

1004
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.519
<v Speaker 3>Let's say that that's the case. But it's so yeah,

1005
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:16.280
<v Speaker 3>that is why.

1006
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna look into that. Yeah, because that's really cute.

1007
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:21.039
<v Speaker 2>It is very cute.

1008
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.440
<v Speaker 3>They're just gonna Butterflying's a butterfly.

1009
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Damn cute. So quick fact check on this. It's split.

1010
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Some folks think butterfly came from buttaflow gu meaning to

1011
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:37.039
<v Speaker 2>beatfly as the wings beat, but honestly I prefer the

1012
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.400
<v Speaker 2>alternate entomology, which is that they're named after floating paths

1013
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:44.239
<v Speaker 2>of fat. Also, the German word for butterfly translates to

1014
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:50.280
<v Speaker 2>thief of dairy protein or butter liquor or People also

1015
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 2>think it could be because they excrete, a yellowish substance

1016
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>that looks like melted butter. The Dutch for butterfly translates

1017
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:03.480
<v Speaker 2>to butter crapper between milk liquor and butterpooper. You now

1018
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:07.280
<v Speaker 2>have so many friendly, low key insults in your arsenal.

1019
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 2>No are intended there, Clarkreek wants to know. Growing up,

1020
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:13.880
<v Speaker 2>it seemed like there was an abundance of butterflies through

1021
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.559
<v Speaker 2>the summers. Monarchs especially these days, I'm lucky to spot

1022
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:18.719
<v Speaker 2>even one through the summers. Is this just a drop

1023
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.360
<v Speaker 2>is it my region Ontario? Or is there a real

1024
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:23.440
<v Speaker 2>population decline?

1025
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.119
<v Speaker 3>There is a real population decline. And when it comes

1026
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.000
<v Speaker 3>to conservation in the US, I always think that the

1027
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.920
<v Speaker 3>minimum standard we should have is that future generations of

1028
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 3>kids get to see butterflies flying around their backyard like

1029
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 3>that should happen. That was something that in my backyard

1030
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 3>was happening all the time, and I loved it. And

1031
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.199
<v Speaker 3>if we've messed up our ecosystem so much that we

1032
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 3>don't have butterflies for our future generations to see, we've

1033
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 3>made a big mistake. And we're certainly on the way there.

1034
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 3>And that's a good observation that people are actually seeing

1035
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 3>less and a lot of that has to do with

1036
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 3>things like monarchs their migration along the way. There aren't

1037
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 3>as many flowers for them to drink from. There aren't

1038
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 3>as many milkweed plants for them to lay eggs on.

1039
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Has to do a lot with our agriculture with we've

1040
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.480
<v Speaker 3>done a lot of habitat destruction when it comes to developments.

1041
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.440
<v Speaker 3>The best thing you can do, everybody can do this

1042
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 3>if you have a yard or a patio or anything,

1043
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:20.199
<v Speaker 3>is to plant native plants. So there's a great website

1044
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Xerxes Society x e r CES. They will have great

1045
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.719
<v Speaker 3>listings to show what you should plant there. And it

1046
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.159
<v Speaker 3>makes a big difference because if you're putting out any plant,

1047
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.320
<v Speaker 3>any flour, and you see butterflies come there and drink

1048
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.079
<v Speaker 3>from it or lay eggs on there, that means that

1049
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.920
<v Speaker 3>that was previously missing from the ecosystem there. We need

1050
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 3>more and more and more to help boost those populations

1051
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.559
<v Speaker 3>and help them sustain what we've done to our area.

1052
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.760
<v Speaker 2>So make sure that you plant something native. Yes, and

1053
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you can check on the website and be like a

1054
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:51.400
<v Speaker 2>huh for.

1055
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 3>Sure, Yes. Something for the adults so some really nice.

1056
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Some of the cone flowers are great, butterflies love drinking

1057
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.199
<v Speaker 3>those for the nectar, and then something for the caterpillars

1058
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:02.400
<v Speaker 3>too is a lot and like the carrot family, that

1059
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.599
<v Speaker 3>will be really good for some caterpillars. There's a lot

1060
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:06.440
<v Speaker 3>of options out there.

1061
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh killer. Also it's just like party at my patio.

1062
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Yea butterflies for sure invited. I got what you like

1063
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to drink, Please do come over. So once again, that

1064
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 2>is the Xerxes Society for Invertebrate Conservation and they're at

1065
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 2>xerxes dot org. This site is great. I just poked

1066
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:26.679
<v Speaker 2>all around it. You can click on your part of

1067
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:30.039
<v Speaker 2>the country and a whole list of region specific pollinator

1068
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.039
<v Speaker 2>plants come up, so you don't have to worry like

1069
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:34.559
<v Speaker 2>what if I plant did the wrong thing. It'll tell

1070
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you what to plant. And the name Xerxes is in

1071
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 2>honor of the first North American butterfly to go extinct,

1072
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.159
<v Speaker 2>wamp wamp because of human activity. But the nonprofit was

1073
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:48.239
<v Speaker 2>started by a doctor, Robert Michael Pyle, who was a

1074
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 2>butterfly biologist and author. He still is, he's very much alive.

1075
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I looked up a photo of him and I found

1076
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:56.880
<v Speaker 2>one where he has these bright blue eyes that peer

1077
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.800
<v Speaker 2>out from around a halo of white, wiry hair, all

1078
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 2>framed by this snowy bush of a beard and over

1079
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.360
<v Speaker 2>his shoulders. In this one, photo. He's wearing a cloak

1080
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of pea green moss from a nearby fallen tree, and

1081
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I just like, I want to kick back and drink

1082
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 2>rotten nectar with this dude. I want to be his friend.

1083
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Phil hook it up.

1084
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Sarah Wright wants to know are there any moths or

1085
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.599
<v Speaker 2>butterflies that will actually eat you? Or is my fear

1086
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:26.159
<v Speaker 2>of them completely irrational?

1087
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry to tell you, but your fear is rational. No.

1088
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.800
<v Speaker 3>So there is a real thing called a vampire moth.

1089
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:36.639
<v Speaker 2>This is such a lie.

1090
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 3>This is this is absolutely real. I think the genus

1091
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 3>is called Calyptera, and they have a piercing mouth part

1092
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of times they they'll find them like

1093
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.320
<v Speaker 3>on cattle or something out there. But I think they

1094
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.360
<v Speaker 3>have landed on humans and like pierced to them and

1095
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:54.360
<v Speaker 3>then drank their blood.

1096
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.159
<v Speaker 2>This does not feel like a real story. Phil to Horras,

1097
00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 2>please tell me if this is If this is this

1098
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>is totally real? What? What? This cannot be real?

1099
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:05.800
<v Speaker 3>And what I love about it is the way that

1100
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:09.360
<v Speaker 3>they think it evolved is from previously feeding on fruit.

1101
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:12.119
<v Speaker 3>So if you feed on fruit, you need to be

1102
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 3>able to pierce that skin of the fruit, right, So

1103
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.440
<v Speaker 3>they've evolved this proboscis that's kind of pointing at the end.

1104
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

1105
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 3>And then imagine this scenario where one of these butterflies

1106
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.000
<v Speaker 3>that was feeding on fruit landed on some mammal and

1107
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:26.400
<v Speaker 3>maybe was drinking its salt or something like that, and

1108
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.159
<v Speaker 3>then accidentally pierced through the skin and then they got

1109
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.079
<v Speaker 3>a mouthful of blood. And then that one was like, wow,

1110
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.840
<v Speaker 3>I have like super powers and can lay a million

1111
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:36.880
<v Speaker 3>eggs and maye with a million females, so they had

1112
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.320
<v Speaker 3>higher reproductive success, and then that gene and that behavior

1113
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:44.519
<v Speaker 3>just evolved into them. And so it all came from

1114
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.159
<v Speaker 3>piercing fruit. And what in my science fiction future of

1115
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:53.880
<v Speaker 3>the world in like a million years, that's going to

1116
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.320
<v Speaker 3>be more commonplace because there are butterflies, especially in the

1117
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.440
<v Speaker 3>tracks in a subfamily that will feed on fruit all

1118
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:05.679
<v Speaker 3>the time, and they have very sharp proboscuses and so

1119
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.719
<v Speaker 3>they can pierce right through a fruit to drink it,

1120
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:12.440
<v Speaker 3>and so they basically have the right scenario set to

1121
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.719
<v Speaker 3>evolve into drinking human blood. So I would just love to, like,

1122
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:19.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, you like go into the future in a

1123
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.119
<v Speaker 3>time machine, you come out and be like, where are

1124
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:22.960
<v Speaker 3>all the humans? Then all of a sudden, you're just

1125
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.800
<v Speaker 3>like surrounded by butterflies that are beautiful and landing on

1126
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.239
<v Speaker 3>you and piercing your skin and drinking your blood dry.

1127
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh the future sucks so naturally. I looked up the

1128
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.280
<v Speaker 2>vampire moth, and despite its hell and death metal habits,

1129
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:42.719
<v Speaker 2>it looks very bige, very unassuming, very normcore. So is

1130
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that the most goth moth I'm feeling like no, I

1131
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:50.360
<v Speaker 2>think that the climbing moth might take it. Hear me out.

1132
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:56.519
<v Speaker 2>It's this lily white moth with a black velvety upside

1133
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 2>down cross on its wings, and it looks very much

1134
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 2>like it would fly into a hot topic and try

1135
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:04.639
<v Speaker 2>to eat a wool cape. But then, in a quest

1136
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:08.119
<v Speaker 2>to find the Gothis moth, I have to land, perhaps

1137
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:12.840
<v Speaker 2>on the legendary Lepidoptera from Silence of the Lamps, Agent

1138
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Starling meets mister Akarantia sticks Weird, better known to his

1139
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:23.280
<v Speaker 2>friends as the Death's Head moth. So death heead moth.

1140
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:26.639
<v Speaker 2>It's got a skull on his face. It's named after

1141
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 2>a river and hell, and it tricks bees and eats

1142
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:31.920
<v Speaker 2>their honey. It's this is a clear winner of the

1143
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Gothis moth pageant. Thank you for taking this journey with me.

1144
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.559
<v Speaker 2>No wait, really quick diversion. Speaking of movies, do you

1145
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:40.800
<v Speaker 2>have a favorite butterfly movie? How do you feel about

1146
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the butterfly effect? Is there any any movies that get

1147
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:44.440
<v Speaker 2>butterflies right or wrong?

1148
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 3>Uh, there's a lot to get them wrong. Bugs Life

1149
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.039
<v Speaker 3>is like still one of my favorite movies ever. It's

1150
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.039
<v Speaker 3>pretty great that make some mistakes, but I like it.

1151
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:55.920
<v Speaker 3>When I was in college, we had an entomology club

1152
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.679
<v Speaker 3>that we started, and we would get together and we

1153
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.320
<v Speaker 3>would watch like really bad movies with insect themes. Oh

1154
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:06.559
<v Speaker 3>my god, and like we would watch Erectrophobe and be like, oh,

1155
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.280
<v Speaker 3>that butterfly isn't found on that continent, and like make

1156
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:13.480
<v Speaker 3>all these like snarky remarks, and so most people get

1157
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.800
<v Speaker 3>it wrong. But the butterfly affect the movie that is

1158
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:20.079
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent accurate. Every butterfly flap that happens that

1159
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 3>changes the entire world. That's so it's not true.

1160
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not Well, you've you got me with the vampire butterfly. Yes,

1161
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.679
<v Speaker 2>for a minute there. So Julie wants to know how

1162
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:32.960
<v Speaker 2>long do butterflies live and what does a day in

1163
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the life of a butterfly look like.

1164
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's a good question. So most butterflies will live

1165
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:41.920
<v Speaker 3>maybe around two weeks, you could say, and their life

1166
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.079
<v Speaker 3>if they're male, it'll be you know, getting some good resources.

1167
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.599
<v Speaker 3>Lots of times it'll be defending a territory. Some will

1168
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.440
<v Speaker 3>just kind of hang out in a patch of flowers

1169
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:51.880
<v Speaker 3>or hang out on the side of a tree and

1170
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of defend that and waiting for a female to

1171
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:57.599
<v Speaker 3>come by, and for female, same thing, she's gonna drinking nectar.

1172
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.079
<v Speaker 3>But then like floating around a little bit easier, and

1173
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.599
<v Speaker 3>you can actually usually tell the difference between a male

1174
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:05.960
<v Speaker 3>and female butterfly and flight just by kind of watching

1175
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.800
<v Speaker 3>the speed and the males kind of fly around like

1176
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:10.639
<v Speaker 3>they got somewhere to go, and they're a little bit

1177
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 3>more rapid and jittery and like, hey, are you a male?

1178
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Get out of here and that kind of thing.

1179
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.119
<v Speaker 2>So wait, they have like a horny swagger.

1180
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Basically, it's like they spray too much axon in the

1181
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:24.199
<v Speaker 3>morning and they're like, I got this and espresso. Who

1182
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:24.760
<v Speaker 3>wants to do it?

1183
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Who wants to do it?

1184
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:28.880
<v Speaker 3>And then the females kind of just float around. They're

1185
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:31.000
<v Speaker 3>like these beautiful little things that are just a little

1186
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:33.159
<v Speaker 3>bit floppier up in the air, a little bit more

1187
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:36.800
<v Speaker 3>like a cartoon butterfly you would see. And generally they're

1188
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 3>just kind of saying, okay, is there a male that's

1189
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:40.840
<v Speaker 3>going to approach me? Or let's say I'm readul lay eggs.

1190
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.119
<v Speaker 3>They're smelling the air with their antennae to figure out

1191
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:46.599
<v Speaker 3>where is the host plant that I need that specific

1192
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.280
<v Speaker 3>type of plant to lay an egg. So they're just

1193
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:51.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of cruising, sniffing the air and enjoying the day.

1194
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:53.280
<v Speaker 2>And for two weeks.

1195
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.559
<v Speaker 3>They have a lifespan two generally two weeks, and then

1196
00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.920
<v Speaker 3>you have some exceptions, especially migratory species like the monarch,

1197
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.519
<v Speaker 3>the ones that overwinter in Mexico. They live for months

1198
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.920
<v Speaker 3>and they can travel super far, and it's it's pretty cool.

1199
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I just went there and you post a video and

1200
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.480
<v Speaker 2>there were millions of monarchs. So look for the video

1201
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:18.880
<v Speaker 2>called the butterfly Migration on Phil's YouTube channel, The Jungle Diaries.

1202
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 2>So did Phil loose his mind? Spoiler alert, I.

1203
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Lost my mind. I think it's about ten million monarchs

1204
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:29.039
<v Speaker 3>per acre, okay, something like that, and it was insane.

1205
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.719
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. Ten million monarchs per acre.

1206
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:34.800
<v Speaker 3>It was so there's so many butterflies around that it

1207
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:39.239
<v Speaker 3>was loud. You would hear this like like this, this

1208
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.039
<v Speaker 3>rustling of you know, a single butterfly flies by you

1209
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:44.920
<v Speaker 3>and flaps its wing, you won't hear that. But if

1210
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.119
<v Speaker 3>you put ten million around you, all of a sudden,

1211
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:50.519
<v Speaker 3>all those micro noises add up into like filling the

1212
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.679
<v Speaker 3>entire forest with this like whispering sound. You can hear it,

1213
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:57.000
<v Speaker 3>but that's no wind. That is the sound of millions

1214
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:02.480
<v Speaker 3>of butterflies flying around right now, and it's probably my

1215
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:08.239
<v Speaker 3>favorite sound ever. It was just one of the most

1216
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:12.039
<v Speaker 3>magical things, and it really solidifies our need for conservation

1217
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:14.519
<v Speaker 3>in the US and our need to put more native

1218
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.480
<v Speaker 3>plants out there. Because growing up, when I first learned

1219
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:20.960
<v Speaker 3>about these monarchs migrating down to this forest in Mexico,

1220
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.000
<v Speaker 3>we were always taught like, oh, the Mexicans better protect

1221
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:26.440
<v Speaker 3>this forest because if they don't, then the butterflies won't

1222
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 3>have any place to overwinter, and it's going to be

1223
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.400
<v Speaker 3>their fault. And they've done a pretty good job actually

1224
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.480
<v Speaker 3>protecting the forest. It's not perfect, but they've incorporated it

1225
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:37.239
<v Speaker 3>into their local tourism, so it's providing good income and

1226
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.440
<v Speaker 3>more motivation not to cut down the forest. But the

1227
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:44.320
<v Speaker 3>reason why butterfly populations have been dropping now the monarchs,

1228
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:46.360
<v Speaker 3>is because of what we've done here in the US.

1229
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:53.360
<v Speaker 3>We've decimated their migration routes. We have used certain herbicides

1230
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:55.559
<v Speaker 3>that have killed out all the milkweed in certain areas,

1231
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.360
<v Speaker 3>so they don't have anywhere to lay their eggs. So

1232
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.000
<v Speaker 3>it was very interesting when you're down there and you

1233
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.519
<v Speaker 3>look around at these butterflies and say, you could have

1234
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:06.199
<v Speaker 3>flown here from Canada, you could have flown here from Montana,

1235
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.920
<v Speaker 3>you could have flown here from South Carolina. Each one

1236
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.559
<v Speaker 3>has a different story behind it, and you can imagine

1237
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:15.679
<v Speaker 3>how many times it could have died or needed a flower,

1238
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:17.679
<v Speaker 3>had all these things happened to it. And then they

1239
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:22.000
<v Speaker 3>end up right there in this forest. And it's really.

1240
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.039
<v Speaker 2>Something now is that all those are during the winter

1241
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:25.239
<v Speaker 2>months or right before springing.

1242
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay, winter months, so basically November two February is the peak.

1243
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:34.079
<v Speaker 2>I would say, so like get your tickets for the

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican Butterfly Forest, like now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I'm actually going to be leading trips out

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<v Speaker 3>there next year. So if you guys want to come,

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<v Speaker 3>just follow me and I'll be posting about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Phil and another friend of ours, doctor Jason Goldman,

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01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 2>lead trips through Atlas Obscura. So follow Phil on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>go to his website in the show notes, or check

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<v Speaker 2>Atlas Obscura. It may not be booking yet, but keep

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<v Speaker 2>checking back. They'll announce it. Heather Crowther wants to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know touching butterfly rings can really hurt them, but

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<v Speaker 2>why what's happening? Is it the oils on our hands

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01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:05.719
<v Speaker 2>reacting with something? What's happening when you touch a butterfly

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<v Speaker 2>without consent?

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<v Speaker 3>Not a whole lot? What So a lot of people

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01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:12.440
<v Speaker 3>out there will, you know, if they see an image

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01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:14.719
<v Speaker 3>of me, like holding a butterfly by its wings or something,

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01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.039
<v Speaker 3>they'll be like, oh, you're killing it, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>not the case. Now. There are very specific ways to

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01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.519
<v Speaker 3>hold a butterfly that I'm good at where you minimize

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01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 3>the amount of damage because generally, if you're touching it wrong,

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01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.920
<v Speaker 3>you're rubbing all the scales off of it, or you

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01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:29.760
<v Speaker 3>might tear its wing a little bit, because their wings

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01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 3>are pretty sensitive, so you definitely don't want to damage

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01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.719
<v Speaker 3>the wing. I do not recommend anybody touching a butterfly,

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<v Speaker 3>but you probably won't kill it unless you like really

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01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 3>get into there. And so yeah, they're they're tougher than

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<v Speaker 3>they look. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>I always felt like it was like if you touch

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<v Speaker 2>a butterfly, like it will find a corner, it will

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<v Speaker 2>be like see you later, you've killed it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not true, not true.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Shirley wants to know what's the largest butterfly ever recorded.

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<v Speaker 3>The Queen Alexandra's birdwing okay is found down in like

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<v Speaker 3>Papua New Guinea in certain areas there, and I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say it's the females have like a eleven inch

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01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 3>wingspan something like that. It's huge. And the first entomologist

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<v Speaker 3>who went down there to collect this thing, they didn't

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01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:20.519
<v Speaker 3>have giant butterfly nets because they fly way up high.

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<v Speaker 3>So the only way they could collect them is with

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01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:26.639
<v Speaker 3>the shotgun. So they would take a shotgun, aim it

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01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:28.639
<v Speaker 3>up and then bang, shoot this thing out of the

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01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.880
<v Speaker 3>sky and they'd be like, whoa, there's a butterfly. And

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01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:33.199
<v Speaker 3>so some of the oldest specimens I'm sure in like

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01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.440
<v Speaker 3>the London Museum and that kind of thing have shotgun

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01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:41.440
<v Speaker 3>holes in them. Oh my god. A Queen Queen Alexandra's birdwing,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, which is a very endangered species, and

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01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:48.800
<v Speaker 3>it's one of the few that collecting it has made

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01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:52.000
<v Speaker 3>it endangered. Generally, there's so many butterflies that go around

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01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:55.440
<v Speaker 3>habitat destruction is the big thing, and collecting it is

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01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.519
<v Speaker 3>not really a big deal. But some of those they

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01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.719
<v Speaker 3>are protected species. A lot of the bird wings because

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01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:02.519
<v Speaker 3>there's so big and really beautiful. The females look different

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01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:07.840
<v Speaker 3>than the males, really gorgeous, incredible species, and so sometimes

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01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.639
<v Speaker 3>people will collect them just to for art or just

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01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.039
<v Speaker 3>to own them, rather than collect them for data or

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<v Speaker 3>for science to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>So there caterpillars, Are they the size of hot talks?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Yeah, probably brought worst, Okay, Like, I'm sure they

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01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.960
<v Speaker 3>are huge. There are some big caterpillars out there.

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<v Speaker 2>That brings me to a personal question about our own collection.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it bad that I have a butterfly collection and

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01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:32.119
<v Speaker 2>dead butterflies that I have purchased?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not, Okay, It depends on you want to make

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01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:40.480
<v Speaker 3>sure it's the right species. There are some that are protected,

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01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.920
<v Speaker 3>some that are endangered in the wild. You definitely don't

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01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:46.119
<v Speaker 3>want to have those for that. I think if you're

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01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:49.559
<v Speaker 3>doing it right and you're spreading appreciation. Okay, that is okay.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of these are actually bread in facilities and

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01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.440
<v Speaker 3>they're not like collected in the wild, because while butterflies,

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01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:59.039
<v Speaker 3>they get pretty pretty beat up pretty quick if you

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01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.920
<v Speaker 3>can actually tell the age butterfly, depending on how beat

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01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.400
<v Speaker 3>up it is generally, and only a couple of days

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01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.119
<v Speaker 3>in they'll have some clips on their wings, or they'll

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01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:09.639
<v Speaker 3>have some dusty spots, and so that that's not going

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01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:11.960
<v Speaker 3>to be nice to displayin a home. So people will

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01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.639
<v Speaker 3>breathe them, and that provides a good income for people

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01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.239
<v Speaker 3>and motivates them to protect the forest and protects the

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01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:19.880
<v Speaker 3>native plants in some corner of the world. So I

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01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.440
<v Speaker 3>think it's like it's a cool product that can come

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01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:24.360
<v Speaker 3>out of these places and can be done in a

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<v Speaker 3>ethical and sustainable and conservation minded way.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Lexiefetter says, I've heard the butterfly bushes are now

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<v Speaker 2>considered invasive and are bad for butterflies. Why is this

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<v Speaker 2>ps I live in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's talking about bootleo, which is a butterfly bush,

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01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:42.880
<v Speaker 3>and that was the one maybe you know in the nineties,

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01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:46.960
<v Speaker 3>early two thousands everybody was like, plant this plant because

1331
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.880
<v Speaker 3>it's a big bush. It has these really big flowers

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01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:53.119
<v Speaker 3>on it that are just really pretty colored. And I

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01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:56.559
<v Speaker 3>planted a lot when I was a kid. And that's

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01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.280
<v Speaker 3>a tricky one because they are not native. There are

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01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:02.400
<v Speaker 3>native options that you can go for that do a

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01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:07.239
<v Speaker 3>similar effect. And generally when you plant non native things,

1337
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:11.960
<v Speaker 3>you're slightly sterilizing your environment because yes, it may attract

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01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:14.639
<v Speaker 3>things that will feed on the nectar, but there's no

1339
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:17.519
<v Speaker 3>caterpillars that are going to feed on the leaves. And

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01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:19.599
<v Speaker 3>if there's no caterpillars on the leaves, then there's no

1341
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.440
<v Speaker 3>birds feeding on those caterpillars or spider's crawing on that,

1342
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:27.480
<v Speaker 3>and so it basically takes away this opportunity for life.

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01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:29.639
<v Speaker 3>It's a tricky thing. It's a personal decision. If you

1344
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.519
<v Speaker 3>had the time and just google what's the best native

1345
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:36.039
<v Speaker 3>thing to plant here instead, that would clearly be the winner.

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<v Speaker 2>John Worster in case the handler, I want to know, essentially,

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01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:44.719
<v Speaker 2>how do some butterflies fly so long? Are they just

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<v Speaker 2>on the wind currents or are they really that bad ass?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little bit of wind current a little bit

1350
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:52.800
<v Speaker 3>of bad ass, okay, And every butterfly, the thor x

1351
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:54.599
<v Speaker 3>will be a little bit different. So the thorax is

1352
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.880
<v Speaker 3>where they keep all their big muscles for flight and

1353
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.840
<v Speaker 3>for walking around. So some butterflies you grab their thoraction,

1354
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.480
<v Speaker 3>you're like that thing is buff, like they like they

1355
01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:07.119
<v Speaker 3>work out and you'll really feel the strength of these

1356
01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:10.800
<v Speaker 3>flight muscles. And some insects, like beetles, the big ones

1357
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 3>that when they fly and you feel the thorax, it's

1358
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:16.359
<v Speaker 3>actually like warm from the friction really from like all

1359
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:20.960
<v Speaker 3>that exothermic stuff going on. Like they're they're very their

1360
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:24.279
<v Speaker 3>muscles do some work. So there's some butterflies that are

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01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 3>pretty buff, and so they're able to fly a long time.

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01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:29.800
<v Speaker 3>And then they do take advantage of the currents. I

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01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.880
<v Speaker 3>think modern butterflies have been recorded at eleven thousand feet

1364
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.000
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, and they just kind of go where

1365
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:38.079
<v Speaker 3>the windows and they take advantage of that. And so

1366
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.279
<v Speaker 3>there have been times where if there's a big hurricane

1367
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:44.239
<v Speaker 3>in the Caribbean, in Florida somewhere, people will be like, wow,

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01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:46.520
<v Speaker 3>I just found a butterfly that is native to Guatemala

1369
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:48.439
<v Speaker 3>that is flying around my backyard right now, and it

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01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 3>didn't belong here. So they can go really far sometimes

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01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:53.319
<v Speaker 3>and storms will push them that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, maybe they had some plant nectar and

1373
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.079
<v Speaker 2>then they're like, I mean, you'll fly a couple thousand

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01:08:58.119 --> 01:08:58.640
<v Speaker 2>miles by.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's so bad. It's pretty cool how they're able

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01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:05.439
<v Speaker 3>to pull all this off, Like evolution is crazy because

1377
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:09.439
<v Speaker 3>like predators put so much pressure on things and just

1378
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:11.760
<v Speaker 3>freak accidents put so much pressure on things to be

1379
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:16.760
<v Speaker 3>a really efficient machine as an organism. So butterflies they

1380
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 3>may look pretty, but like they they're efficient, and they're

1381
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:22.119
<v Speaker 3>good flyers and they got they got a lot of

1382
01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:23.199
<v Speaker 3>interesting things about them.

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01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Have you taken anything away existentially or philosophically from butterflies,

1384
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:33.760
<v Speaker 2>like about change or about about not being ashamed to

1385
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:36.319
<v Speaker 2>smelp who I don't know anything you know, but.

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01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I think you know the metamorphosis analogy or metaphor. That's

1387
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:45.319
<v Speaker 3>not my thing. But for me, it's it's all about

1388
01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:48.600
<v Speaker 3>like keeping that curiosity enjoy that I had as a

1389
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:53.199
<v Speaker 3>seven year old catching butterflies, and like being like not

1390
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:56.239
<v Speaker 3>ashamed at all to have that same excitement as a

1391
01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:00.319
<v Speaker 3>full grown adult and sure in high school and a

1392
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.239
<v Speaker 3>little bit in college, like it wasn't like the cool

1393
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:04.159
<v Speaker 3>thing to do to show off your butterfly collection. But

1394
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:07.159
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, it doesn't matter, Like I love

1395
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:11.119
<v Speaker 3>this stuff and nature is so cool and there's so

1396
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:13.640
<v Speaker 3>much to learn, Like we know probably the most about

1397
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.760
<v Speaker 3>the monarch butterfly and the cabbage white, but we still

1398
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:19.279
<v Speaker 3>have so many questions about those two species, and imagine

1399
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:21.880
<v Speaker 3>all the other eighteen thousand that are out there. So

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01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.399
<v Speaker 3>I just think, if anything, I've just learned, like just

1401
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:27.199
<v Speaker 3>keep that joy alive and that curiosity alive, because nature

1402
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:29.680
<v Speaker 3>really has some magnificent things, even if they happen to

1403
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.760
<v Speaker 3>be really pretty, Like I don't care, they're awesome.

1404
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:34.960
<v Speaker 2>What about what's the crappiest thing about your job? What's

1405
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:38.119
<v Speaker 2>the hardest or most disappointing or most arduous.

1406
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:42.119
<v Speaker 3>Uh, it's a mix because I used to be more

1407
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:45.960
<v Speaker 3>like official scientist and now a more science communicator and

1408
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:50.159
<v Speaker 3>so part of it. The travel is amazing, But there

1409
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.600
<v Speaker 3>was a point where after living two years in the

1410
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:55.359
<v Speaker 3>jungle where I was like, I should probably be around

1411
01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:59.560
<v Speaker 3>other humans again, and so finding that balance and I've

1412
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:01.800
<v Speaker 3>seen something biologists who go a little bit too far

1413
01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:04.680
<v Speaker 3>and end up because it's kind of addicting. You have

1414
01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:06.680
<v Speaker 3>this adrenaline rush this idea that you can make a

1415
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:09.079
<v Speaker 3>discovery and it's really exciting out there, but you need

1416
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:11.279
<v Speaker 3>to have a real life too, and you need to

1417
01:11:11.359 --> 01:11:14.560
<v Speaker 3>have relationships. And that's how that is a successful life.

1418
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:17.600
<v Speaker 3>To me, it has to be meaningful both in work

1419
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.720
<v Speaker 3>and discovery, but also in relationships with friends and loved

1420
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:23.600
<v Speaker 3>ones and family and all that. So balancing that took

1421
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:25.840
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of work. And still sometimes I'm traveling

1422
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:28.880
<v Speaker 3>quite a bit. That can be challenging. I'm sure you

1423
01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:32.479
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm talking about. What other is tough about

1424
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:32.920
<v Speaker 3>my job?

1425
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And then also just like freelance life, I think

1427
01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:39.279
<v Speaker 3>that's the only other thing a lot of people have.

1428
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:42.199
<v Speaker 3>More There are not a lot of jobs and science,

1429
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.520
<v Speaker 3>and so I saw a lot of people going for

1430
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:47.479
<v Speaker 3>the same thing of going to be a professor or

1431
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:49.520
<v Speaker 3>research scientist, and I was like, Okay, I'm going to

1432
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.640
<v Speaker 3>take a little left turn here and still have my

1433
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:55.039
<v Speaker 3>mind stimulated, still get the same opportunities to travel for science,

1434
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:58.520
<v Speaker 3>but work more on the communication side and storytelling side.

1435
01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:01.359
<v Speaker 3>Because when I was I would do these expeditions when

1436
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.279
<v Speaker 3>I was young, and we would do the craziest things,

1437
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:06.560
<v Speaker 3>like we got held a gunpoint twice in Venezuela, I

1438
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:08.680
<v Speaker 3>got lost in a forceful of quick scent of Mongolia.

1439
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:11.640
<v Speaker 3>I would like sing under the stars of these Mongolians

1440
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:14.560
<v Speaker 3>drink and fermented horse milk, and that's how we communicated

1441
01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:17.560
<v Speaker 3>because they didn't speak English, I didn't speak Mongolian, and

1442
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:20.399
<v Speaker 3>we would just sing each other songs. And I was like, this,

1443
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.560
<v Speaker 3>there's a side of science that people aren't hearing, and

1444
01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:27.479
<v Speaker 3>maybe if they heard those stories more, they would care

1445
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.560
<v Speaker 3>more about what we're studying here. Because sure, some of

1446
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:35.319
<v Speaker 3>the insects out there aren't innately appealing to the average person,

1447
01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:38.560
<v Speaker 3>but when you tell a story around it, then it

1448
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:42.239
<v Speaker 3>really starts to shine and people start to attach appreciation

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<v Speaker 3>to them. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked you the scariest thing in the jungle was,

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<v Speaker 2>and you neglected to tell me that you've been held

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01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:48.800
<v Speaker 2>up at gunpoint twice.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, humans are also very scary in the jungle too. Generally,

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01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.800
<v Speaker 3>you just as long as you communicate and don't go

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01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:01.800
<v Speaker 3>in there. As like American savior, conservation is about working

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01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:03.960
<v Speaker 3>with the people. That it's not about working just with

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01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.560
<v Speaker 3>the animal, like it's all about working with the people

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01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:10.479
<v Speaker 3>and so building good relationships and using what they figured

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<v Speaker 3>out over a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you able to negotiate your way out of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were. One time. It was the government Venezuela.

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01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.159
<v Speaker 3>I was under Jabez. They weren't very friendly. They stopped

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01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:23.920
<v Speaker 3>our bus, took the three of us off. There's like

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<v Speaker 3>two or three truck folds of dudes with machine guns

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01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:29.960
<v Speaker 3>and they like put us against the bus and patted

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01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.439
<v Speaker 3>us down. And I think it was kind of just

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01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:34.880
<v Speaker 3>a bluff because they track your every move there, like

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01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:36.600
<v Speaker 3>everything you do you have to put in your passport

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01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.920
<v Speaker 3>information and they weren't very fond of Americans back then.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, that would be a good cover for

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<v Speaker 3>spy because there have been Lepidoptera studying researcher spies in

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<v Speaker 3>the past. The founder of the Scouts would work in

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01:13:50.359 --> 01:13:52.560
<v Speaker 3>North Africa, I think this is during World War One,

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01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:56.600
<v Speaker 3>and he would draw maps of enemy locations and butterfly

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01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:58.680
<v Speaker 3>wings and then send it back to the collections.

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<v Speaker 2>Heck, yeah, so Robert Baden Powell did indeed found the

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01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Boy Scouts and was indeed all up in some espionage,

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01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:11.239
<v Speaker 2>as detailed in his book My Adventures of a Spy.

1479
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:14.159
<v Speaker 2>That's just straight up he was straight up a spy,

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01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.920
<v Speaker 2>so he wrote, quote, carrying this book and a butterfly

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01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:20.960
<v Speaker 2>net in my hand, I was above all suspicion to

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01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:24.000
<v Speaker 2>anyone who met me on the lonely mountain side. So

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for the advice, Ma, dude, I will go do that.

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01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:27.159
<v Speaker 1>What.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't recommend people doing it now, because I'm

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01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:32.920
<v Speaker 3>not like ruined scientists access to these places that we

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01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:35.840
<v Speaker 3>want to go and study, So don't mess with science.

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01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Let's just yeah, let that be in the past. And

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01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 3>then the other guys, they were just kind of really

1490
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:44.560
<v Speaker 3>drunk and that was challenging, but we figured it out.

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01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what's the best thing about what you do?

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01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:51.000
<v Speaker 2>What do you love the most about butterflies? About your work? Uh?

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01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:54.439
<v Speaker 3>I Mean, one part that I love is just being

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01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:57.119
<v Speaker 3>able to go to places enough access to things that

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01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:00.159
<v Speaker 3>there's no other job that gives you that opportunity to

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01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:02.399
<v Speaker 3>some really weird places. You really get to go behind

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01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:07.159
<v Speaker 3>the scenes and areas, and that's irreplaceable. I mean, I've

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01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:10.159
<v Speaker 3>pretty much never had an office job my entire life,

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01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:13.760
<v Speaker 3>and that's great and I love that. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>other part is what it does to your brain, Like

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01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:17.279
<v Speaker 3>you get this brain tingle. I like to call it

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01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:19.920
<v Speaker 3>as a scientist, and many people can relate to this

1503
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:23.399
<v Speaker 3>where there's something out there that you're trying to figure out,

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01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:26.600
<v Speaker 3>and some of these things that I've studied and published

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01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.720
<v Speaker 3>papers on, it's like a puzzle out there that you're like, Okay,

1506
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:31.680
<v Speaker 3>I see this part over here, this part over there,

1507
01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:34.319
<v Speaker 3>this part down there, how do they relate? How does

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01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:36.199
<v Speaker 3>this thing make sense? And I would lose sleep over

1509
01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:38.840
<v Speaker 3>it sometimes, but your brain has this feeling that you

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01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:41.279
<v Speaker 3>just can't there's nothing out there like it. It's like

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01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:44.119
<v Speaker 3>the best crossword puzzle ever. We like, I nailed it,

1512
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:49.319
<v Speaker 3>And that is a really exciting part of my job

1513
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:53.079
<v Speaker 3>because it's super super fulfilling because you're not just doing

1514
01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:55.840
<v Speaker 3>it for yourself. I'm sure some people may be more

1515
01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:58.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of ego driven, but one thing I was noticed,

1516
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:04.079
<v Speaker 3>like explorers, who people call themselves explorers oftentimes would go

1517
01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:06.079
<v Speaker 3>to just be like I've done it, plant a flag

1518
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:07.920
<v Speaker 3>and say they've done it. Now. Many are doing it

1519
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:09.880
<v Speaker 3>for conservation reasons, which is great, but I was like,

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01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.159
<v Speaker 3>what if you could explore and contribute knowledge to the

1521
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.720
<v Speaker 3>world the things you find as a scientist and studying butterflies,

1522
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Like some of these papers have published. Nobody knew this before,

1523
01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:22.560
<v Speaker 3>and that's a really cool feeling to be like, guess what,

1524
01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:24.960
<v Speaker 3>world drop some knowledge on you that now, for the

1525
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.880
<v Speaker 3>rest of history of humanity, they're going to know this

1526
01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:31.199
<v Speaker 3>thing that they didn't know before. It's exciting, I mean.

1527
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:34.520
<v Speaker 2>And to start helping discover species at nineteen, like, that's

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01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:37.680
<v Speaker 2>got to be a little bit addictive too, probably right.

1529
01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:40.279
<v Speaker 3>For sure, for sure, And I have huge respect for

1530
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:42.800
<v Speaker 3>the people out there who dedicate their entire career to that.

1531
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.760
<v Speaker 3>People kind of forget that we still need a catalog

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01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:48.479
<v Speaker 3>what life is out there. We have so much work

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01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:52.399
<v Speaker 3>to do. Insects alone, there's probably at least another million,

1534
01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:55.720
<v Speaker 3>if not nine million species out there to be discovered,

1535
01:16:56.279 --> 01:17:00.800
<v Speaker 3>millions left to be done, and they're everywhere, and so

1536
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.920
<v Speaker 3>we need people to do those jobs. And it's not

1537
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:06.479
<v Speaker 3>even though it sounds cool, when it comes to getting

1538
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:08.760
<v Speaker 3>funding for that kind of work, you don't always get

1539
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:09.760
<v Speaker 3>the biggest budget.

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01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:12.319
<v Speaker 2>And now you're getting married this year, I am. Are

1541
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:15.680
<v Speaker 2>you going to have butterflies be represented at all during

1542
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:16.520
<v Speaker 2>your wedding?

1543
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:19.239
<v Speaker 3>Definitely, So we're gonna instead of flower girls, we're having

1544
01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:23.319
<v Speaker 3>butterfly girls. A little butterfly wings everywhere, and then for

1545
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:26.000
<v Speaker 3>our place settings, we're gonna do some cool stuff with

1546
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:31.239
<v Speaker 3>like giving on native seeds, get people oriented. Yeah, there's

1547
01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:33.000
<v Speaker 3>so many ways you can you can in corporate this

1548
01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:34.720
<v Speaker 3>stuff into your life, and so we just kind of

1549
01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:37.039
<v Speaker 3>want to show people like this is what's important to us.

1550
01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh that makes me so habby. I was wondering. I

1551
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:41.479
<v Speaker 2>was like, I wonder if those weddings getting involved Bucks

1552
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:41.760
<v Speaker 2>at all.

1553
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:43.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I kind of want to get some shoes with

1554
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:44.159
<v Speaker 3>bugs on them.

1555
01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I know, I think you should. I think you deserve it.

1556
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:51.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll see some butterfly slippers. Yeah, why not.

1557
01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I did look up some fly shoes for Phil and

1558
01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I found some cool Gucci bug loafers that cost a grand,

1559
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:03.760
<v Speaker 2>and then also some swayed butterfly loafers on eBay for

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01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:06.520
<v Speaker 2>like one hundred bucks. So if anyone has a Gucci

1561
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:11.279
<v Speaker 2>hookup for these loafers, holler at Phil online. Wouldn't that

1562
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:15.359
<v Speaker 2>be great? Come on, come on someone right, thank you

1563
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:16.359
<v Speaker 2>so much for doing this.

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01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Only there's a blast.

1565
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:21.520
<v Speaker 2>So please do continue to ask smart people awkward, sometimes

1566
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:23.840
<v Speaker 2>not smart questions because that's the only way any of

1567
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:26.520
<v Speaker 2>us learn, and they secretly love it. So to see

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01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.359
<v Speaker 2>some of Phil's gorgeous photography and it's really amazing. Check

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01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:33.319
<v Speaker 2>out his Instagram at Phil underscore Torres. His Twitter is

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01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:37.359
<v Speaker 2>also Phil underscore Torres, and he's at the Jungle Diaries

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01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:40.720
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube or his website is Phil Dashturus dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put links to those at aliword dot com, slash

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01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:46.680
<v Speaker 2>ologies and in the show notes. You can find the

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01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:50.439
<v Speaker 2>show at Ologies on Twitter or Instagram, where I post

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01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:53.199
<v Speaker 2>some visuals from the show all week and I'm at

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01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:56.520
<v Speaker 2>ali Word just one l on both Twitter and Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>You can join the question club on Patreon dot com

1578
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:04.560
<v Speaker 2>slash Ologies. You can lob your queries at upcoming ologists

1579
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.359
<v Speaker 2>and also support the show that way. For merch, you

1580
01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:09.760
<v Speaker 2>can go to ologiesmerch dot com. You can tag your

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01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:13.000
<v Speaker 2>photos online with Ologies merch and I'll repost them on

1582
01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:16.720
<v Speaker 2>merch Mondays. Thank you Shannon Felts and Bonnie Dutch, very

1583
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:19.279
<v Speaker 2>very cool Portland sisters for helping manage all the merch.

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01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:23.439
<v Speaker 2>You can join the discussion on the Facebook Ologies podcast group.

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01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Thank you Hannah Lippo and Aaron Talbert my good friends

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01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.319
<v Speaker 2>for admitting that. And thanks as always to the very

1587
01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:32.239
<v Speaker 2>very wonderful Stephen Ray Morris for editing this all together

1588
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.239
<v Speaker 2>and just being the coolest dude, Just the coolest dude.

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01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Also side note, Happy birthday, Sarah Basco. We've known each

1590
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:41.760
<v Speaker 2>other since we were twelve. Happy birthday. If you stick

1591
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:43.479
<v Speaker 2>around to the very very end of the show, you know,

1592
01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I tell you a secret, and this week's is fresh.

1593
01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:51.399
<v Speaker 2>It's fresh off the griddle. So two hours ago, I

1594
01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:53.680
<v Speaker 2>was leaving my friend Catherine's house and she has a

1595
01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:56.640
<v Speaker 2>bowl of peanut butter ginger chews. Have you had them?

1596
01:19:57.239 --> 01:19:57.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:00.720
<v Speaker 2>They're so good. They're right next to her, and I

1598
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:04.399
<v Speaker 2>grabbed two and I ate the first one as I

1599
01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:06.079
<v Speaker 2>was leaving her house. I was like, oh, so good.

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01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:08.159
<v Speaker 2>And then I unwrapped a second one before I even

1601
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:10.079
<v Speaker 2>got to my car, and I dropped it on the sidewalk,

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01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:12.520
<v Speaker 2>very public sidewalk, and I just picked it up and

1603
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:14.439
<v Speaker 2>dusted it off, and I ate it anyway because I

1604
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:18.680
<v Speaker 2>was alone and so wet and I'm still alive. Okay,

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01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Bye bye Pacodermatology, hobbiology, rypdo zoology, lithology, technology, meteorology and pathology, anthology, zeriology, selenology.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a butterfly time