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Speaker 2: Andy Larson how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm fellow friends and family. Yeah, good to talk to
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Speaker 2: you guys joining us. Appreciate Andy's time on this Friday. Andy,
Speaker 2: we talked about a little bit in the opening segment,
Speaker 2: of course, the Utah Jazz and the NBA Draft, not
Speaker 2: only the talk of the town, but kind of the
Speaker 2: conversation around some of the draft circles in the league.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that conversation has been overblown.
Speaker 2: I know you are in that camp as well. You
Speaker 2: and I were on site on draft I did Zion's
Speaker 2: basketball headquarters. And that's kind of the feel we got
Speaker 2: is that the conversation around Ace Bailey is kind of
Speaker 2: happening without Ace Bailey. Give me your read. I won't
Speaker 2: speak for you, but the latest on the situation there
Speaker 2: and we'll get to the other draft picks for the
Speaker 2: Jazz as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, the last hour has really cleared this up.
Speaker 1: So you know, we heard from on Draft Day on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: we heard from Ace Bailey himself like, yes, I'm focused
Speaker 1: on the basketball, you know, but knew the Jazz starting
Speaker 1: lineup was seemed to be excited to go to Utah,
Speaker 1: you know, said that it was his representation who was
Speaker 1: dealing kind of with all of the noise and rumors,
Speaker 1: and then you know, it's it's been a difficult thing.
Speaker 1: So like he's got a manager, Omar Cooper, who has
Speaker 1: kind of represented him for the last few years in
Speaker 1: his high school and now you know college career, kind
Speaker 1: of steered him directors to be sure, and was the
Speaker 1: guy the NBA teams were kind of dealing with most
Speaker 1: when it came Dave Bailey, and it was pretty clear
Speaker 1: that he was trying to get him away from the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz and to the Washington Wizards, the New Orleans
Speaker 1: Pelicans or the Brooklyn Nets, and in the end failed
Speaker 1: to do so. Right like in the end win win
Speaker 1: number five to Utah. Anyway, that being said, then his
Speaker 1: NBA Players Association certified agent because Omar Cooper is not
Speaker 1: certified by the NBPA, UH went on Front Office Sports
Speaker 1: this morning and said, look, we love eight in Utah.
Speaker 1: We think it's a good fit and just makes sense.
Speaker 1: Omar may have tried to steer him in a different direction,
Speaker 1: but we believe that it's a good fit for him
Speaker 1: in Utah. And then, you know, finally, about an hour ago,
Speaker 1: Omark Cooper on his Instagram posted a photo of Ace
Speaker 1: and said let's go and tad Utah Jazz. And finally,
Speaker 1: ESPN five minutes ago wrote an article that said, yes,
Speaker 1: Ace Bailey is reporting to the Jazz not only on Monday,
Speaker 1: but tomorrow. So this feels like it's been rectified, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I do think that Omark Cooper did not want
Speaker 1: a Bailey to be drafted by the Jazz. The Jazz
Speaker 1: took him anyway, and they are marching along, maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit reluctantly, but certainly to Utah this weekend.
Speaker 2: And as someone who is you know, works in the
Speaker 2: college football sphere, I can tell you that this is
Speaker 2: not the first time or the last time we're going
Speaker 2: to be dealing with a situation like this, because I
Speaker 2: have well come in contact with a lot of these
Speaker 2: guys who are I guess agents now that are representing sixteen, seventeen,
Speaker 2: eighteen year olds and doing it a lot of times
Speaker 2: in bad faith or just not doing it with any
Speaker 2: sort of professional experience, and it causes a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of confusion and a lot of issues sometimes.
Speaker 2: Now that all of that I think is for the
Speaker 2: most part behind us. Jonathan Gavoni a few minutes ago
Speaker 2: obviously released the quote from both the jazz and representatives
Speaker 2: in the front office. We've had good communication with Ace
Speaker 2: Bailey and his representatives and he is coming to Utah tomorrow.
Speaker 2: As Andy just laid out, Now, what about the player,
Speaker 2: Andy Larson, Ace Bailey number five? Pick. A lot of
Speaker 2: folks before this thing started rolling, had Ace higher than
Speaker 2: number five on a lot of the mock draft picks,
Speaker 2: and a lot of folks in jazz camp seemed to
Speaker 2: be pretty happy that he was still there at number five.
Speaker 2: What are they getting in the player, Ace Bailey a
Speaker 2: pretty high upside from what it appears in a really
Speaker 2: really good score.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, if we're doing that, Like, look, he didn't
Speaker 1: just fall because of the Omark Cooper situation, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that wasn't the reason he went to five. It was.
Speaker 1: There is some on court stuff there too that teams
Speaker 1: are worried about. But he is a tremendous shooter, you know,
Speaker 1: and can get to a shot as well as any
Speaker 1: prospect we've seen in the last five to ten years. Right,
Speaker 1: Like his ability to get together, get his kind of
Speaker 1: act together, for his gather and shoot over the top
Speaker 1: of people and make those shots is incredible. You know,
Speaker 1: he's for him to make forty six percent of his
Speaker 1: mid range shots at Rutgers with the defensive attention he got,
Speaker 1: with the kinds of shots he took, is is increased.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's awesome. You know, to compare it,
Speaker 1: Shake Gilds Alexander also shot forty six percent from mid
Speaker 1: range last year. And you know, the NBA defenders will
Speaker 1: be longer, but it is clearly going to be the
Speaker 1: basis of his game.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I think it's fair to say
Speaker 1: that he needs to work on the other stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe he could make it a little bit easier on
Speaker 1: himself by not settling for those made rangers and instead
Speaker 1: getting to the rim more often, maybe tightening up his handle,
Speaker 1: maybe getting a little bit lower or stronger on those
Speaker 1: drives so he can get all the way to the
Speaker 1: rim a little bit better, and kind of the three
Speaker 1: point range and kind of getting off the ball a
Speaker 1: little bit more would probably benefit his efficiency. And then
Speaker 1: being a more consistent defender and being a more consistent
Speaker 1: playmaker are our key steps. So Austin Age talked about
Speaker 1: his rebounding, which was very good, and I do think
Speaker 1: he shows defensive flashes. He's athletic as all get out,
Speaker 1: it just needs to be a little bit more consistent.
Speaker 1: So look, the thing is, he's eighteen years old and
Speaker 1: he doesn't turn nineteen until August. So he is a
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely not a finished product. Ack, absolutely a
Speaker 1: little bit of a project there. But the ability to
Speaker 1: make shots that that high of a level is really
Speaker 1: really hard to find and will be the basis for
Speaker 1: his game moving forward in the NBA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andy, I'm curious about the attitude of the front
Speaker 3: office of the Utah Jazz now with Austin ainge in there.
Speaker 3: It felt like there were some reports out there that said,
Speaker 3: with this pick of Ace Bailey, even though there were
Speaker 3: maybe some of those red flags, it was kind of
Speaker 3: the front office in Austin age saying, we really don't care.
Speaker 3: We're going to do what's best for the Utah Jazz
Speaker 3: and we'll figure all of that out later on down
Speaker 3: the road. Is that the feeling that you're getting here
Speaker 3: with this pick of Ase Bailey or was there more
Speaker 3: behind the scenes that we just don't know of terms
Speaker 3: of how those interviews went and different things like.
Speaker 1: That, No, you're right, Uh it is yeah, you know. Look,
Speaker 1: they were willing to deal with kind of the weird
Speaker 1: age and stuff because he is a good talent, and
Speaker 1: try say they believe he's a good kid too, right like,
Speaker 1: if you kind of ignore the Omark Cooper situation, everything
Speaker 1: else is fine from a you know, from a he
Speaker 1: wants to work hard. He is in the gym all
Speaker 1: the time. By all accounts, He's a really positive kid.
Speaker 1: He's I think a little bit like naive in some ways,
Speaker 1: right like, And again, he's just eighteen, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: what happens when you've been kind of louded as the
Speaker 1: next NBA Starry or at your whole life. And so
Speaker 1: I think there is some like maturing to do there.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't think that he is. He's definitely
Speaker 1: not a bad kid, right like, And so I think
Speaker 1: that's important to say. And so they, you know, the
Speaker 1: Jazz believe not only in his game, but it's his
Speaker 1: personality as well, kind of shining through and uh, kind
Speaker 1: of maturing over the next few years to become to
Speaker 1: kind of fill his own shoes, you know, the shoes
Speaker 1: that his talent provides. So yeah, you know, I think
Speaker 1: the Jazz saw some of those concerns, but look, the
Speaker 1: overall package on and off the court was strong enough
Speaker 1: for them to feel he was the best pick.
Speaker 2: Andy Everyone in the Jazz HQ room there while we
Speaker 2: were awaiting the next selection for the Jazz, we all
Speaker 2: kind of thought that there was a good likelihood of
Speaker 2: the team moving up, you know, around fifteen to twenty,
Speaker 2: and obviously the assets that they have make that a
Speaker 2: high possibility. Well they did so, and they did so
Speaker 2: for one Walter Clayton Junior, a player who if you
Speaker 2: watch the NCAA tournament in in much detail, well you
Speaker 2: heard his name and you saw his play quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Another guy who can fill up the stat sheet, especially
Speaker 2: on the offensive end. What are they getting Walter Clayton Junior?
Speaker 2: And what does this trend between the first two picks
Speaker 2: going pretty shot maker heavy say about the Jazz strategy
Speaker 2: this offseason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, another very good shooter, but in a very different
Speaker 1: way than a Bailey, right where like a Bailey is
Speaker 1: kind of that tough made range shot maker that you're
Speaker 1: you know, imagine Kevin Durant the shorter, imagine a Carmelo
Speaker 1: Anthony almost. I think Walter is much more. Walter Clayton
Speaker 1: Junior is much more of a guard scoring a three
Speaker 1: point shooting guard that we've seen in the modern NBA.
Speaker 1: You know, like these are crazy comparisons, but the Seth Curry,
Speaker 1: the Damian Mueller, the Jalen Brunst and the guy who's
Speaker 1: going to take a lot of shots on the perimeter
Speaker 1: use kind of quick move movements and hesitation moves to
Speaker 1: get himself open for three those threes down. He made
Speaker 1: thirty nine percent of his threes last year. He took
Speaker 1: so many of them. Obviously, was the most outsiding player
Speaker 1: in the NCAA tournament last year as Florida won the
Speaker 1: national title. You know, was a transfer from my ownA
Speaker 1: and you know, has kind of grown his game that
Speaker 1: way into being more of a point guard, which standing
Speaker 1: at six two, he probably does have to play at
Speaker 1: the NBA level, But just the shot making, the ability
Speaker 1: to get into his shot and make them is really value.
Speaker 1: You know, that is the number one skill for NBA
Speaker 1: guards today, and Walter Clayton has that in face. He's
Speaker 1: twenty two, he's much older than Ash Bailey, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the rare senior prospect drafted in the first round,
Speaker 1: but the Jazz felt his shooting ability and again kind
Speaker 1: of that winning player status. It meant that he had
Speaker 1: a lot to offer, and I tend to agree with
Speaker 1: him when I watched it throw and I came away
Speaker 1: really pleasantly surprised with how viable his NBA game looked,
Speaker 1: because you do worry about kind of how shorter guards
Speaker 1: can translate into the league.
Speaker 2: I always look at how players play and perform specifically
Speaker 2: in the college basketball tournament, specifically in March madness is
Speaker 2: kind of a litmus test for their readiness for what
Speaker 2: is a much more serious form of basketball. Obviously, the
Speaker 2: the level of talent, the level of athlete you face
Speaker 2: in the NBA is a step above. But what is
Speaker 2: his performance specifically in the NCAA tournament tell you about
Speaker 2: maybe his NBA readiness as a prospect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think seniors can go one of
Speaker 1: two ways, right Like it can It can be that
Speaker 1: you are, you know, beating everyone else and being the
Speaker 1: best player on the floor because of your athletic gifts,
Speaker 1: because you are simply stronger and more mature than the
Speaker 1: other players on the court. Or it can be Hey,
Speaker 1: you have developed those skills to the point where they
Speaker 1: are NBA ready and you are just showing it against
Speaker 1: worst competition. And I think Walter Clayton, in the eyes
Speaker 1: of most NBA you know, scouts, and I think in
Speaker 1: my view as well, is one of those guys that
Speaker 1: should translate well to the NBA because it wasn't that
Speaker 1: like his physical gifts were allowing him to overpower other guys.
Speaker 1: It was that his quickness and his shot making and
Speaker 1: his overall skill was allowing him to overpower other guys,
Speaker 1: and that should translate. You know, you can still get
Speaker 1: off like those hesitation stepbacks in the NBA. You can
Speaker 1: still kind of get players off balance in the NBA.
Speaker 1: You can make the right reads in the NBA. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what Walter Clayton does does translate. Now, look,
Speaker 1: there's still questions and he's still the eighteenth pick right
Speaker 1: where like the success rate is fifty to fifty here,
Speaker 1: and we will learn a lot about whether or not
Speaker 1: this will work in Summer League coming up in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. But I understand why the Jazz
Speaker 1: were so high on him, because, yes, you know, the
Speaker 1: experience level is there, but like and that that can
Speaker 1: be a double edged sword. But I think in this
Speaker 1: particular case, especially given how young the rest of the
Speaker 1: Jazz are, it can really help them.
Speaker 3: Dany, you brought up Summer League, and I'm curious for
Speaker 3: fans that don't really pay tension or maybe don't go
Speaker 3: into Summer League understanding what to look for. What do
Speaker 3: you look for in terms of guys that go in there,
Speaker 3: and is it purely just statistical output or is it
Speaker 3: what are you looking for in terms of guys that
Speaker 3: are going to make an impact for their team when
Speaker 3: they go out and perform in summer League.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm watching a lot you know, and there's been
Speaker 1: some really good research stunt on this that shows that
Speaker 1: summer League is really meaningful. Right Like, guys who do
Speaker 1: well in Summer League do correlate well with guys who
Speaker 1: do well in the NBA. And so I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, this level of play, right Like,
Speaker 1: if you are struggling in Summer League, it is a
Speaker 1: bad sign. We have seen Jazz rookies, even Jazz sophomore
Speaker 1: struggle in Summer League. If you're not dominating, you know,
Speaker 1: that level competition by year or two or year three,
Speaker 1: you may not be an NBA player, And then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking for kind of development of micro skills, right Like,
Speaker 1: this is such a useful time for players to learn
Speaker 1: what it is that they are good at and can
Speaker 1: bring to a near NBA lel and what it is
Speaker 1: that they need to work on, right that that may
Speaker 1: have worked for them in college and just isn't going
Speaker 1: to fly in NBA spacing, NBA refereeing and so on
Speaker 1: and so forth, right Like, so some of that can
Speaker 1: be You may have to attack the rim differently, you
Speaker 1: may have to finish at the rim differently. Your ball
Speaker 1: handling has to be much tighter, you have to make
Speaker 1: much better reads. I mean, there's so much little you know,
Speaker 1: the defensive game gets so much harder when you're playing
Speaker 1: against constantly big dudes, you know, and switching out and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So I'm watching for all
Speaker 1: those kind of like little micro skills that that do
Speaker 1: add up to a good player. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we saw the difference in kind of having a well
Speaker 1: rounded player in these NBA finals, right where if it's
Speaker 1: both the Pacers and the Thunder, like really good team
Speaker 1: basketball didn't have a lot of weaknesses one through five
Speaker 1: in their starting lineups, and it allowed them to get
Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals in the first place.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Obviously there's a correlation between when you have
Speaker 2: success in the summer league, you know, probably means you're
Speaker 2: on a level above some of the players around you.
Speaker 2: And there's even more of a correlation when you when
Speaker 2: you look deeper into it, if you do struggle in
Speaker 2: summer league, it obviously is is somewhat of a red flag. Now,
Speaker 2: there are outliers, there are exceptions. Spence always likes to
Speaker 2: bring up when I think it was John Amichi, who
Speaker 2: you know, who played Tim Duncan super well in the
Speaker 2: Summer League, actually made him look bad in some ways.
Speaker 2: So there's always gonna be an outlier. There's always going
Speaker 2: to be an exception to the rule. But you really
Speaker 2: want summer league looks to be really strong ones from
Speaker 2: your rookies if they are to be contributors at the
Speaker 2: NBA level. All right, Andy, Moving along with the Jazz
Speaker 2: draft picks, we talked about A's Bailey. Of course, the
Speaker 2: top five guy talked about Walter Clayton Junior out of Florida.
Speaker 2: Both of those guys familiar with for in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. If you're if you're watching the NCAA tournament,
Speaker 2: this guy's no different. John Tanji out of Wisconson. He
Speaker 2: had a phenomenal showing against the BYU Cougar's in the
Speaker 2: NCAA tournament. What kind of player are the Jazz getting
Speaker 2: in a second round late draft pick fifty three?
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think you saw a lot of that
Speaker 1: in that BA game in the second round, Like score
Speaker 1: thirty seven points, that game, had sixteen pre throws. It
Speaker 1: was an efficition score of that game and really almost
Speaker 1: kind of single handedly brought Wisconsin to almost winning that game.
Speaker 1: I think you know, that's kind of what he brings
Speaker 1: with the NBA. Another good shot maker, probably not as
Speaker 1: good as the guys in the first round, but certainly
Speaker 1: someone who can make an open shot. And then it's
Speaker 1: kind of about whether or not he will be able
Speaker 1: to bring his gifts and be able to hang athletically
Speaker 1: against bigger players. Right, Like, he's not just twenty two,
Speaker 1: he's twenty four. He's a super senior. Last year was
Speaker 1: his sixth year in college, So all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it will be different for him around the bigger NBA bodies.
Speaker 1: The foul drawing when you're the biggest guy on the
Speaker 1: court is easier than when you're the smaller or you know,
Speaker 1: you're just another guy out there. And I think that's
Speaker 1: probably the concern for John Tanjay and why he looks
Speaker 1: to fifty three. But you can believe that he can
Speaker 1: be a useful kind of rotation wing player in the
Speaker 1: NBA because he can make shots, and he does try
Speaker 1: defensively and maybe you know, again, the speed and athleticism
Speaker 1: washes him out. Could totally see that happening. But I
Speaker 1: understand why the Jazz made the bet that they did
Speaker 1: at fifty three because he does have just like a
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, a three and D wing
Speaker 1: a skill set because he's not, you know, a top
Speaker 1: level shooter and he's not a top level defender even
Speaker 1: at the college level. But you can imagine him kind
Speaker 1: of working his game into that becoming you know, a
Speaker 1: minute theater wing that that's a really useful figure in
Speaker 1: today's league.
Speaker 2: All right, Andy, Obviously the Jazz Is wrapped up their
Speaker 2: draft selections with those three guys, but they got R. J.
Speaker 2: Luis Junior out of Saint John's. This is a player
Speaker 2: who our guy, Gordy Chiasa actually mentioned as a possibility
Speaker 2: to look at it fifty three, Well, the Jazz got
Speaker 2: him without having to take a draft pick, and added
Speaker 2: Stephen Krawe out of Wisconsin as well. A short look
Speaker 2: at those two players, Andy, what their expectations may be
Speaker 2: as far as being on the summer league roster two
Speaker 2: way deals and if you think there are you know,
Speaker 2: usually you look at undrafted guys as two way players.
Speaker 2: Is maybe bit pieces, but hey, uh is the one
Speaker 2: of these guys someone you're a little higher on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean R J.
Speaker 1: Lewis Junior. I think is a was a super draftable
Speaker 1: guy and with projectory taken in most mocks, and my
Speaker 1: draft model liked him as a second round pick as
Speaker 1: well because of his production at Saint John's as you know,
Speaker 1: and I think what that team did last year as well,
Speaker 1: a little bit of a similar story a Tanja just
Speaker 1: you know, kind of different bodies, but like you would
Speaker 1: have liked to see, you know, had he been more
Speaker 1: efficient offensively. I think Lewis is definitely drafted kind of
Speaker 1: that was the question. Is kind of struggle to make
Speaker 1: easy looks in college, but still was very productive you know,
Speaker 1: scored I think it was seventeen points a game, like
Speaker 1: was one of the best college basketball players last year.
Speaker 1: And defensively, he really gets after it. I think that's
Speaker 1: where he can contribute probably most in the NBA right
Speaker 1: away is defensively. But he'll be a two way, So
Speaker 1: he's going to be spending probably most of his year
Speaker 1: in the G League and trying to show that he's
Speaker 1: a step above everyone else in the G League to
Speaker 1: get a call up from the Jazz. And then you know,
Speaker 1: the other two guys that they picked up are summer
Speaker 1: league rotation spots, right like, they are guys who the
Speaker 1: Jazz will give a look at and probably end up
Speaker 1: on the bench in summer league. And you know, those
Speaker 1: guys can maybe get camp invites and then maybe Summer
Speaker 1: League invite or sorry SLC Stars invitest league invites and
Speaker 1: kind of work their way up in the roster and
Speaker 1: start their professional careers. But you know, they won't be
Speaker 1: on two way contracts. They won't be part of the
Speaker 1: Jazz unless they really, really, really surprisingly impressed in a
Speaker 1: way that you kind of we haven't seen players do
Speaker 1: for the Jazz in the last ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Signed TODs of atten deals.
Speaker 2: All right, Andy, dates to look forward to obviously free agency,
Speaker 2: Summer League, and then before we know it, we'll be
Speaker 2: talking about the preseason basketball. What's the next date circled
Speaker 2: on your calendar and where can folks find coverage of it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Look, I mean the the Ah Bailey and Walter
Speaker 1: Clayton introductory press conference. I think John Jonji will be
Speaker 1: there too. It's coming up this weekend. I anticipate either
Speaker 1: Sunday or Monday, but we'll see. So that's a big date.
Speaker 1: And then obviously June thirtieth is also a big date
Speaker 1: because it's the start of the NBAS free agent period
Speaker 1: and well, there aren't big free agency names necessarily out there,
Speaker 1: and the Jazz wouldn't get them anyway, and heck, even
Speaker 1: if they could, and the free agent one or two
Speaker 1: of the Jazz also don't have any cap space and
Speaker 1: don't have any roster space. You're talking about the you know,
Speaker 1: kind of mid level exception. Realistically, if the Jazz do
Speaker 1: want to do anything in free agency or they have
Speaker 1: to make trades, right, and we could see that happened
Speaker 1: as well for John and Jordan Collins and sorry Jordan Carkson,
Speaker 1: John Collins, and Collin Sexton. So anyway, that's all coming
Speaker 1: up this weekend, and I'll keep my eyes on what
Speaker 1: the jazz are doing then. Obviously July fifth is the
Speaker 1: start of the Utah Jazz Summer League, so it's all
Speaker 1: happening right now.
Speaker 2: And Andy will have the latest on all of it
Speaker 2: at Andy B. Larson on the pages of the Salt
Speaker 2: Lake Tribune I guess on the web pages of the
Speaker 2: Salt Lake Tribune. Now appreciate his time as always, Andy,
Speaker 2: enjoy your weekend and we'll chat some free agency and
Speaker 2: off season stuff soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds good. Thanks part.
Speaker 2: Andy was he's gonna be on remote with me, but
Speaker 2: couldn't make it out of Spanish for a little bit
Speaker 2: of a drive out here.
Speaker 1: Bummer.