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Andy, 27 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:42.959 we talked about a little bit in the opening segment, 28 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:47.319 of course, the Utah Jazz and the NBA Draft, not 29 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.079 only the talk of the town, but kind of the 30 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:52.599 conversation around some of the draft circles in the league. 31 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.959 I think a lot of that conversation has been overblown. 32 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:57.920 I know you are in that camp as well. You 33 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.879 and I were on site on draft I did Zion's 34 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:04.439 basketball headquarters. And that's kind of the feel we got 35 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:09.080 is that the conversation around Ace Bailey is kind of 36 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.639 happening without Ace Bailey. Give me your read. I won't 37 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:15.919 speak for you, but the latest on the situation there 38 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:18.960 and we'll get to the other draft picks for the 39 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:19.639 Jazz as well. 40 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:24.120 Yeah. Look, the last hour has really cleared this up. 41 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:29.159 So you know, we heard from on Draft Day on Wednesday, 42 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.400 we heard from Ace Bailey himself like, yes, I'm focused 43 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:35.479 on the basketball, you know, but knew the Jazz starting 44 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.759 lineup was seemed to be excited to go to Utah, 45 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:41.560 you know, said that it was his representation who was 46 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:45.240 dealing kind of with all of the noise and rumors, 47 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.360 and then you know, it's it's been a difficult thing. 48 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.240 So like he's got a manager, Omar Cooper, who has 49 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:54.840 kind of represented him for the last few years in 50 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.919 his high school and now you know college career, kind 51 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.919 of steered him directors to be sure, and was the 52 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.560 guy the NBA teams were kind of dealing with most 53 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:06.919 when it came Dave Bailey, and it was pretty clear 54 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:08.439 that he was trying to get him away from the 55 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:13.680 Utah Jazz and to the Washington Wizards, the New Orleans 56 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.159 Pelicans or the Brooklyn Nets, and in the end failed 57 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.680 to do so. Right like in the end win win 58 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:23.759 number five to Utah. Anyway, that being said, then his 59 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:27.680 NBA Players Association certified agent because Omar Cooper is not 60 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.599 certified by the NBPA, UH went on Front Office Sports 61 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:35.240 this morning and said, look, we love eight in Utah. 62 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.719 We think it's a good fit and just makes sense. 63 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:39.759 Omar may have tried to steer him in a different direction, 64 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.960 but we believe that it's a good fit for him 65 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.840 in Utah. And then, you know, finally, about an hour ago, 66 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:50.520 Omark Cooper on his Instagram posted a photo of Ace 67 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.800 and said let's go and tad Utah Jazz. And finally, 68 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.879 ESPN five minutes ago wrote an article that said, yes, 69 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.080 Ace Bailey is reporting to the Jazz not only on Monday, 70 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:05.280 but tomorrow. So this feels like it's been rectified, you know, 71 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:07.960 Like I do think that Omark Cooper did not want 72 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.240 a Bailey to be drafted by the Jazz. The Jazz 73 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.520 took him anyway, and they are marching along, maybe a 74 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:18.040 little bit reluctantly, but certainly to Utah this weekend. 75 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:21.199 And as someone who is you know, works in the 76 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.319 college football sphere, I can tell you that this is 77 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.399 not the first time or the last time we're going 78 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:29.120 to be dealing with a situation like this, because I 79 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.240 have well come in contact with a lot of these 80 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:37.480 guys who are I guess agents now that are representing sixteen, seventeen, 81 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.439 eighteen year olds and doing it a lot of times 82 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.040 in bad faith or just not doing it with any 83 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.959 sort of professional experience, and it causes a lot of 84 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:47.600 a lot of confusion and a lot of issues sometimes. 85 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.959 Now that all of that I think is for the 86 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:53.800 most part behind us. Jonathan Gavoni a few minutes ago 87 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.720 obviously released the quote from both the jazz and representatives 88 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.399 in the front office. We've had good communication with Ace 89 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.120 Bailey and his representatives and he is coming to Utah tomorrow. 90 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:09.279 As Andy just laid out, Now, what about the player, 91 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:13.120 Andy Larson, Ace Bailey number five? Pick. A lot of 92 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.839 folks before this thing started rolling, had Ace higher than 93 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.160 number five on a lot of the mock draft picks, 94 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.600 and a lot of folks in jazz camp seemed to 95 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:25.800 be pretty happy that he was still there at number five. 96 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.000 What are they getting in the player, Ace Bailey a 97 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.839 pretty high upside from what it appears in a really 98 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:32.959 really good score. 99 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:35.879 Yeah, look, if we're doing that, Like, look, he didn't 100 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.639 just fall because of the Omark Cooper situation, right, Like, 101 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.199 that wasn't the reason he went to five. It was. 102 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:45.000 There is some on court stuff there too that teams 103 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.759 are worried about. But he is a tremendous shooter, you know, 104 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.879 and can get to a shot as well as any 105 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.120 prospect we've seen in the last five to ten years. Right, 106 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:58.160 Like his ability to get together, get his kind of 107 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.720 act together, for his gather and shoot over the top 108 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:05.079 of people and make those shots is incredible. You know, 109 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.720 he's for him to make forty six percent of his 110 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.560 mid range shots at Rutgers with the defensive attention he got, 111 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.720 with the kinds of shots he took, is is increased. 112 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.360 You know, it's it's awesome. You know, to compare it, 113 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.240 Shake Gilds Alexander also shot forty six percent from mid 114 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.560 range last year. And you know, the NBA defenders will 115 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.000 be longer, but it is clearly going to be the 116 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:27.000 basis of his game. 117 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:27.879 Uh. 118 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:29.720 And then you know, I think it's fair to say 119 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:31.199 that he needs to work on the other stuff. You know, 120 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.199 maybe he could make it a little bit easier on 121 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:36.240 himself by not settling for those made rangers and instead 122 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.399 getting to the rim more often, maybe tightening up his handle, 123 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:41.639 maybe getting a little bit lower or stronger on those 124 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:43.040 drives so he can get all the way to the 125 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.199 rim a little bit better, and kind of the three 126 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.000 point range and kind of getting off the ball a 127 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:52.160 little bit more would probably benefit his efficiency. And then 128 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:55.839 being a more consistent defender and being a more consistent 129 00:06:55.879 --> 00:07:01.319 playmaker are our key steps. So Austin Age talked about 130 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.240 his rebounding, which was very good, and I do think 131 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.439 he shows defensive flashes. He's athletic as all get out, 132 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.000 it just needs to be a little bit more consistent. 133 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:14.240 So look, the thing is, he's eighteen years old and 134 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:18.639 he doesn't turn nineteen until August. So he is a 135 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:21.879 you know, absolutely not a finished product. Ack, absolutely a 136 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.319 little bit of a project there. But the ability to 137 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:27.360 make shots that that high of a level is really 138 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:29.480 really hard to find and will be the basis for 139 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:30.800 his game moving forward in the NBA. 140 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:35.480 Yeah, Andy, I'm curious about the attitude of the front 141 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.560 office of the Utah Jazz now with Austin ainge in there. 142 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:40.800 It felt like there were some reports out there that said, 143 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.360 with this pick of Ace Bailey, even though there were 144 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:45.399 maybe some of those red flags, it was kind of 145 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.439 the front office in Austin age saying, we really don't care. 146 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.800 We're going to do what's best for the Utah Jazz 147 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:52.959 and we'll figure all of that out later on down 148 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.639 the road. Is that the feeling that you're getting here 149 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.720 with this pick of Ase Bailey or was there more 150 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:00.279 behind the scenes that we just don't know of terms 151 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:02.680 of how those interviews went and different things like. 152 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:07.240 That, No, you're right, Uh it is yeah, you know. Look, 153 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:10.800 they were willing to deal with kind of the weird 154 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.839 age and stuff because he is a good talent, and 155 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:16.360 try say they believe he's a good kid too, right like, 156 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:20.160 if you kind of ignore the Omark Cooper situation, everything 157 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.720 else is fine from a you know, from a he 158 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.240 wants to work hard. He is in the gym all 159 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.439 the time. By all accounts, He's a really positive kid. 160 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:34.200 He's I think a little bit like naive in some ways, 161 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.960 right like, And again, he's just eighteen, and maybe that's 162 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.679 what happens when you've been kind of louded as the 163 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.759 next NBA Starry or at your whole life. And so 164 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.000 I think there is some like maturing to do there. 165 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.200 But like, I don't think that he is. He's definitely 166 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:51.559 not a bad kid, right like, And so I think 167 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.120 that's important to say. And so they, you know, the 168 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.159 Jazz believe not only in his game, but it's his 169 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:59.919 personality as well, kind of shining through and uh, kind 170 00:08:59.919 --> 00:09:03.320 of maturing over the next few years to become to 171 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:06.200 kind of fill his own shoes, you know, the shoes 172 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.480 that his talent provides. So yeah, you know, I think 173 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.240 the Jazz saw some of those concerns, but look, the 174 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:16.440 overall package on and off the court was strong enough 175 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.039 for them to feel he was the best pick. 176 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:24.480 Andy Everyone in the Jazz HQ room there while we 177 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:29.600 were awaiting the next selection for the Jazz, we all 178 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:32.000 kind of thought that there was a good likelihood of 179 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:36.720 the team moving up, you know, around fifteen to twenty, 180 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.120 and obviously the assets that they have make that a 181 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:43.440 high possibility. Well they did so, and they did so 182 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.960 for one Walter Clayton Junior, a player who if you 183 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:51.480 watch the NCAA tournament in in much detail, well you 184 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.519 heard his name and you saw his play quite a bit. 185 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.320 Another guy who can fill up the stat sheet, especially 186 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:00.000 on the offensive end. What are they getting Walter Clayton Junior? 187 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.240 And what does this trend between the first two picks 188 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:07.600 going pretty shot maker heavy say about the Jazz strategy 189 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:08.240 this offseason. 190 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.879 Yeah, another very good shooter, but in a very different 191 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.120 way than a Bailey, right where like a Bailey is 192 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:16.720 kind of that tough made range shot maker that you're 193 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.720 you know, imagine Kevin Durant the shorter, imagine a Carmelo 194 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:25.840 Anthony almost. I think Walter is much more. Walter Clayton 195 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:30.320 Junior is much more of a guard scoring a three 196 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:32.600 point shooting guard that we've seen in the modern NBA. 197 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.720 You know, like these are crazy comparisons, but the Seth Curry, 198 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:38.360 the Damian Mueller, the Jalen Brunst and the guy who's 199 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:41.200 going to take a lot of shots on the perimeter 200 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.320 use kind of quick move movements and hesitation moves to 201 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.519 get himself open for three those threes down. He made 202 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:50.240 thirty nine percent of his threes last year. He took 203 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.039 so many of them. Obviously, was the most outsiding player 204 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.320 in the NCAA tournament last year as Florida won the 205 00:10:57.399 --> 00:11:01.200 national title. You know, was a transfer from my ownA 206 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.360 and you know, has kind of grown his game that 207 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:06.600 way into being more of a point guard, which standing 208 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:08.679 at six two, he probably does have to play at 209 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:12.559 the NBA level, But just the shot making, the ability 210 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.399 to get into his shot and make them is really value. 211 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:18.399 You know, that is the number one skill for NBA 212 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.039 guards today, and Walter Clayton has that in face. He's 213 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.840 twenty two, he's much older than Ash Bailey, you know, 214 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.679 kind of the rare senior prospect drafted in the first round, 215 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:32.360 but the Jazz felt his shooting ability and again kind 216 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:37.080 of that winning player status. It meant that he had 217 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.480 a lot to offer, and I tend to agree with 218 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.039 him when I watched it throw and I came away 219 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.440 really pleasantly surprised with how viable his NBA game looked, 220 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.000 because you do worry about kind of how shorter guards 221 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.159 can translate into the league. 222 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:56.799 I always look at how players play and perform specifically 223 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:02.639 in the college basketball tournament, specifically in March madness is 224 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.240 kind of a litmus test for their readiness for what 225 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.759 is a much more serious form of basketball. Obviously, the 226 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:13.639 the level of talent, the level of athlete you face 227 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.639 in the NBA is a step above. But what is 228 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:21.080 his performance specifically in the NCAA tournament tell you about 229 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.840 maybe his NBA readiness as a prospect. 230 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.759 Yeah, you know, I think seniors can go one of 231 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.120 two ways, right Like it can It can be that 232 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.080 you are, you know, beating everyone else and being the 233 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.799 best player on the floor because of your athletic gifts, 234 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:43.039 because you are simply stronger and more mature than the 235 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.600 other players on the court. Or it can be Hey, 236 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.000 you have developed those skills to the point where they 237 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.960 are NBA ready and you are just showing it against 238 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:55.080 worst competition. And I think Walter Clayton, in the eyes 239 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:58.879 of most NBA you know, scouts, and I think in 240 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.200 my view as well, is one of those guys that 241 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:04.000 should translate well to the NBA because it wasn't that 242 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:08.039 like his physical gifts were allowing him to overpower other guys. 243 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:11.080 It was that his quickness and his shot making and 244 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:14.279 his overall skill was allowing him to overpower other guys, 245 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:16.960 and that should translate. You know, you can still get 246 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:19.600 off like those hesitation stepbacks in the NBA. You can 247 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.399 still kind of get players off balance in the NBA. 248 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.120 You can make the right reads in the NBA. Right, Like, 249 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:29.320 I think a lot of what Walter Clayton does does translate. Now, look, 250 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.000 there's still questions and he's still the eighteenth pick right 251 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.759 where like the success rate is fifty to fifty here, 252 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:36.720 and we will learn a lot about whether or not 253 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:39.240 this will work in Summer League coming up in the 254 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.080 next couple of weeks. But I understand why the Jazz 255 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:45.360 were so high on him, because, yes, you know, the 256 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:49.320 experience level is there, but like and that that can 257 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:50.960 be a double edged sword. But I think in this 258 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.799 particular case, especially given how young the rest of the 259 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:55.120 Jazz are, it can really help them. 260 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.759 Dany, you brought up Summer League, and I'm curious for 261 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.320 fans that don't really pay tension or maybe don't go 262 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.879 into Summer League understanding what to look for. What do 263 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.519 you look for in terms of guys that go in there, 264 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:10.039 and is it purely just statistical output or is it 265 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:12.440 what are you looking for in terms of guys that 266 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:14.000 are going to make an impact for their team when 267 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:15.960 they go out and perform in summer League. 268 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:20.120 Yeah, I'm watching a lot you know, and there's been 269 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.039 some really good research stunt on this that shows that 270 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.600 summer League is really meaningful. Right Like, guys who do 271 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.279 well in Summer League do correlate well with guys who 272 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.200 do well in the NBA. And so I'm looking for, 273 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:34.159 you know, first of all, this level of play, right Like, 274 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:36.840 if you are struggling in Summer League, it is a 275 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:40.840 bad sign. We have seen Jazz rookies, even Jazz sophomore 276 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:44.360 struggle in Summer League. If you're not dominating, you know, 277 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:46.720 that level competition by year or two or year three, 278 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:49.879 you may not be an NBA player, And then you know, 279 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.720 I'm looking for kind of development of micro skills, right Like, 280 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:55.120 this is such a useful time for players to learn 281 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:57.879 what it is that they are good at and can 282 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.200 bring to a near NBA lel and what it is 283 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.120 that they need to work on, right that that may 284 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.000 have worked for them in college and just isn't going 285 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.600 to fly in NBA spacing, NBA refereeing and so on 286 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.080 and so forth, right Like, so some of that can 287 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:12.080 be You may have to attack the rim differently, you 288 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.480 may have to finish at the rim differently. Your ball 289 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:16.759 handling has to be much tighter, you have to make 290 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.039 much better reads. I mean, there's so much little you know, 291 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.840 the defensive game gets so much harder when you're playing 292 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.279 against constantly big dudes, you know, and switching out and 293 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.440 all that kind of stuff. So I'm watching for all 294 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.159 those kind of like little micro skills that that do 295 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.240 add up to a good player. I mean, I think 296 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:37.039 we saw the difference in kind of having a well 297 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.840 rounded player in these NBA finals, right where if it's 298 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:45.279 both the Pacers and the Thunder, like really good team 299 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.720 basketball didn't have a lot of weaknesses one through five 300 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.480 in their starting lineups, and it allowed them to get 301 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:51.919 to the NBA Finals in the first place. 302 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.879 You mentioned Obviously there's a correlation between when you have 303 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.919 success in the summer league, you know, probably means you're 304 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:04.679 on a level above some of the players around you. 305 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.080 And there's even more of a correlation when you when 306 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:09.399 you look deeper into it, if you do struggle in 307 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:12.840 summer league, it obviously is is somewhat of a red flag. Now, 308 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:15.679 there are outliers, there are exceptions. Spence always likes to 309 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.159 bring up when I think it was John Amichi, who 310 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.759 you know, who played Tim Duncan super well in the 311 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.559 Summer League, actually made him look bad in some ways. 312 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.759 So there's always gonna be an outlier. There's always going 313 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.600 to be an exception to the rule. But you really 314 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:36.320 want summer league looks to be really strong ones from 315 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:40.960 your rookies if they are to be contributors at the 316 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.639 NBA level. All right, Andy, Moving along with the Jazz 317 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:46.879 draft picks, we talked about A's Bailey. Of course, the 318 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.039 top five guy talked about Walter Clayton Junior out of Florida. 319 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.919 Both of those guys familiar with for in a lot 320 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.120 of ways. If you're if you're watching the NCAA tournament, 321 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.679 this guy's no different. John Tanji out of Wisconson. He 322 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.720 had a phenomenal showing against the BYU Cougar's in the 323 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.960 NCAA tournament. What kind of player are the Jazz getting 324 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.599 in a second round late draft pick fifty three? 325 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:13.720 Yeah, look, I think you saw a lot of that 326 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.119 in that BA game in the second round, Like score 327 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.680 thirty seven points, that game, had sixteen pre throws. It 328 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.200 was an efficition score of that game and really almost 329 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.359 kind of single handedly brought Wisconsin to almost winning that game. 330 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:29.799 I think you know, that's kind of what he brings 331 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.160 with the NBA. Another good shot maker, probably not as 332 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:34.079 good as the guys in the first round, but certainly 333 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.880 someone who can make an open shot. And then it's 334 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.119 kind of about whether or not he will be able 335 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.680 to bring his gifts and be able to hang athletically 336 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.160 against bigger players. Right, Like, he's not just twenty two, 337 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.519 he's twenty four. He's a super senior. Last year was 338 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:50.759 his sixth year in college, So all of a sudden 339 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:54.200 it will be different for him around the bigger NBA bodies. 340 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.759 The foul drawing when you're the biggest guy on the 341 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.279 court is easier than when you're the smaller or you know, 342 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.319 you're just another guy out there. And I think that's 343 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:05.000 probably the concern for John Tanjay and why he looks 344 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.240 to fifty three. But you can believe that he can 345 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:10.880 be a useful kind of rotation wing player in the 346 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:14.319 NBA because he can make shots, and he does try 347 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.799 defensively and maybe you know, again, the speed and athleticism 348 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.759 washes him out. Could totally see that happening. But I 349 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:24.079 understand why the Jazz made the bet that they did 350 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:27.240 at fifty three because he does have just like a 351 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:29.559 I don't want to say, a three and D wing 352 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:33.079 a skill set because he's not, you know, a top 353 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.359 level shooter and he's not a top level defender even 354 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.680 at the college level. But you can imagine him kind 355 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.359 of working his game into that becoming you know, a 356 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.440 minute theater wing that that's a really useful figure in 357 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:46.039 today's league. 358 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:50.720 All right, Andy, Obviously the Jazz Is wrapped up their 359 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:54.640 draft selections with those three guys, but they got R. J. 360 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.279 Luis Junior out of Saint John's. This is a player 361 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:03.119 who our guy, Gordy Chiasa actually mentioned as a possibility 362 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:05.440 to look at it fifty three, Well, the Jazz got 363 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.000 him without having to take a draft pick, and added 364 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.480 Stephen Krawe out of Wisconsin as well. A short look 365 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:14.599 at those two players, Andy, what their expectations may be 366 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.240 as far as being on the summer league roster two 367 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.880 way deals and if you think there are you know, 368 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.240 usually you look at undrafted guys as two way players. 369 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:28.759 Is maybe bit pieces, but hey, uh is the one 370 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:30.640 of these guys someone you're a little higher on. 371 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:32.279 Yeah, I mean R J. 372 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.160 Lewis Junior. I think is a was a super draftable 373 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:39.279 guy and with projectory taken in most mocks, and my 374 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.480 draft model liked him as a second round pick as 375 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.680 well because of his production at Saint John's as you know, 376 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:47.480 and I think what that team did last year as well, 377 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:50.400 a little bit of a similar story a Tanja just 378 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:52.960 you know, kind of different bodies, but like you would 379 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.480 have liked to see, you know, had he been more 380 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.000 efficient offensively. I think Lewis is definitely drafted kind of 381 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:01.400 that was the question. Is kind of struggle to make 382 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.400 easy looks in college, but still was very productive you know, 383 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:07.200 scored I think it was seventeen points a game, like 384 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:10.440 was one of the best college basketball players last year. 385 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.720 And defensively, he really gets after it. I think that's 386 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.359 where he can contribute probably most in the NBA right 387 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:20.519 away is defensively. But he'll be a two way, So 388 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.519 he's going to be spending probably most of his year 389 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:24.960 in the G League and trying to show that he's 390 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:26.839 a step above everyone else in the G League to 391 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.920 get a call up from the Jazz. And then you know, 392 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:34.000 the other two guys that they picked up are summer 393 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.319 league rotation spots, right like, they are guys who the 394 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:40.160 Jazz will give a look at and probably end up 395 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.799 on the bench in summer league. And you know, those 396 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:45.160 guys can maybe get camp invites and then maybe Summer 397 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:49.279 League invite or sorry SLC Stars invitest league invites and 398 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:50.960 kind of work their way up in the roster and 399 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.759 start their professional careers. But you know, they won't be 400 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:56.240 on two way contracts. They won't be part of the 401 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.559