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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate, Body and Soul or

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should I just say bunny?

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Speaker 2: Hello, Filthy movie lovers, Something weirdohs and Anti Criterion Bros.

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To the twenty ninth episode of The Since Syndicate, the

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only sexploitation podcast that has the support of both Guy

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Madden and Sean Baker. My name is Gentry Austen, writer

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and researcher, and I'm here with my co host, adult

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film historian Casey Scott, and in the first episode of

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the new year, we are taking a journey to the

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dark and perilous depths. That is your questions. If you've

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been listening week to week, you've probably heard our pleas

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for your listener questions, and thankfully we did receive a

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few more than zero.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 2: So thank you everyone who sent us some questions to answer.

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And it only seems right that we bring on our

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Canadian correspondent, Alex DeSanto to join us for this occasion.

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So before we get into the queues and the a's,

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let's run through the past couple weeks of sexploitation news

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and updates. I think we can kick it off with

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our long teased announcement, which is AGFA is putting out

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the They officially announced the Herschel Gordon Lewis Collection. I

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don't know number one. I guess we can call it,

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which is The Girl, the Body and the Pill and

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Blast Off Girls. I want to say Blackstaff Boys, because

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it's mostly boys in that movie. But we are involved

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with that release to a large extent, right casey.

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Speaker 4: Almost almost a supplement producers extent, almost like almost like

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we we produce everything except for except for the troiler

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inclusion and the short. Everything else and the transfers, every

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of all the supplements are us, for better or worse.

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I'm excited to see how it turns out though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we got a commentary track on the Pill, which

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was I think when the kickstarter went I think one

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of the one of the options was to get a

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screener of the Pill. So I don't know if they've

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done any work on it since then or if it's

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the same. Yeah, so we'll see how it looks when

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we get our when we get our copies. But yeah,

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we did a commentary on the Girl of the Body

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of the Pill. We weren't able to get a commentary

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on the blast Staff Girls in time, but I did

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write a short essay about garage rock, so check that out.

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And also we got Johanna in there to write a

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piece on Bunny Down, which I'm really excited to read.

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I think most important is we got Nancy Lee Noble, Yes,

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which I was surprised there was not more fanfare about that,

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considering she's never done an interview you ever, not even

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for the Herschel Gordon Lewis documentary that was made.

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Speaker 4: They didn't even interview her for that. So this is

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the first time she's ever gone on record about working

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on with Herschel on three movies. And she also talks

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about her California work too, So yeah, she I won't

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say that she has the strongest memory all around her

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entire career, but it's very interesting to learn about like

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how she got her start on stage, how she went

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out to California, and how she got involved with like

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Jackson County Jail that pat post them from. She devils

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on Wheels had a secret career that I will save

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for you to discover that I was very surprised by. Yeah,

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there's just a lot of good stuff in that interview,

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and I'm excited to see how they put it all

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together because we sent Gentry, sent them all the raw

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footage and said go with God.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, excited. I think we sent the raw audio.

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we when we interviewed her, we did it under the

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stipulation that would be audio essentially. So yeah, yeah, but

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she still looks grateful, She still has the same smile,

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she still looks good. Yeah, still a great personality.

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recognize that baby dollboys, Yes, yeah.

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Speaker 4: She's She's a real sweetheart. And I actually I need

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to email them because we interviewed her with her husband,

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who they have their own podcasts, and I'm gonna let

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them know this is coming out and then they can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, that'd be good too. Oh what do you

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Speaker 4: What do I have for us? Well, so, so I

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didn't it's something that I will say, like, well, first

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of all, happy holidays, guys, we survived the holidays. Merry Christmas,

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Happy New Year. Hounded by children day, Yes, I was surrounded. Yes,

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one of I went through Dakota's list of like gay

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Pink EU and was looking through and reading reviews and

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liking stuff one after the other, and he was like,

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disconnected from sex film and sleeves right now, and this

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on these crazy gay PINKU films. So, but before I

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came down to Virginia to hang out with my family,

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I got in the mail which I raved about on Instagram.

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Ultra Flush Archives, which is run by a friend of mine,

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Mark Murray, who I've been friends with forever and I

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think now is probably known for being the like the

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pre eminent Rudy Ray Moore history and he wrote an

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incredible book about the guy. He did commentaries on all

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of those when Vinigersinder put those out, and Ultra Flush

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Archives is kind of his baby now where he's working

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on collecting and restoring eight millimeter films which you know,

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love Love Melosing and Vineigerson's Room. They don't touch eight

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millimeter for reasons, I'll leave it at that. And so

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he's doing the lord's work, you know. I think if

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you are if you like sex cinema, softcore or hardcore,

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And their release, they released a limited edition blu ray

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of of Loops by Leslie Winston, who's kind of a

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very underrated loops performer. She was just inducted into the

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AVN Hall of Fame, and she does a commentary over

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the loops talking about her career and what she remembers

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about the specific shoots, the photographers and the producers have

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made them, which is really incredible because there's not a

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lot of documentation about who did loops. So it's a

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limited edition. I think it's only five hundred copies, and

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so I would highly recommend that you order your copy

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because I loved it. The loops look great. And this

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year he's going to be putting out more hypothetically with

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people like Ronda, Joe Petty, maybe Serena, maybe some other

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people doing commentaries and collections of their work. And he

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about too. So if I can talk him into doing

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some gay loops as well. That would be great. So

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millimeter And there's also a software eight millimeter loop on

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that collection too, so tying into sexploitation. He has a

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lot of loops of all different kinds, and he's actually

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loop that he was looking for of Leslie's with another actress.

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the wrong loop in it, so he still doesn't have it.

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of loops and in some cases they aren't even the

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all of this stuff and take care of it. So

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I'm really excited for the next releases. Loops deserve love

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to folks, not just the nar It's not the narrative

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stuff is nice to talk about, and it's film cinema,

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you know, but loops are also just like it's nice

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good if they're well done, nice meat and potatoes. You know, sex,

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and there's nothing wrong with sex, which I'm sure we'll

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talk about a lot in this episode because I'm pretty

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she did was really entertaining. That sounds so good.

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Speaker 4: It's really good. She's fascinating anyway. I'm friends with her

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on Facebook, and she she remembers a lot considering you

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know what a long time ago it was. I mean,

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like breast milk fetishes and pregnancy fetishists, because she was like, well,

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belly out whatever, you know. I'm just like very very

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forward thinking, like get the bag while you can, because

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great commentary in a really great, really really good collection.

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Speaker 4: This is a long it's a long time just dating too.

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point and now I think just Joe does Jeff as

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with film in New York. And The Deuce is a

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thirty five millimeter only series at Nighthawks Cinema in Brooklyn,

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the screen where we did an Al Goldstein tribute and

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then we showed the Passions of Carol on thirty five

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millimeter for a Christmas screening. To watch this Christmas Porno

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and Shaan Costello wrote a really nice booklet that we

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twenty fifteen, I think, But yeah, it was a while ago.

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specifically because while people know that it exists in a

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hardcore version, the software version is the way to go,

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hardcore footage was shot at the time of production, but

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not it's bad it was. It was emitted from the

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film because it's not good. Yeah, and it was only

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reissued in its hardcore version. Once Christine de bell the

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Star became famous because Bill Osco is a trash person

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the ultimate revenge porn is having hardcore footage of your

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ex girlfriend and then wide releasing it to the rest

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of the world when she becomes famous. Bill Osco is trash. Yeah,

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bill Oscar has been trash. So the Deuce I've been

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begging them to put this on and they really they

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contacted me out of the Bluestet. I think they said,

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we want to do Alice in Wonderland for February for

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Valentine's Day, and so it is the best. I think

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it's the best sex musical film. Well, Cinderella is really

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good too, but I do like this one a lot.

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about the different cast members and their connections to Broadway

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and dance and music. Thirty five millimeter and it's at

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Nighthawk in Brooklyn on Thursday, February twelfth at nine thirty.

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ticket from myself, So before you ask me for cops,

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unfortunately I cannot accommodate. So if you want to come

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right now. I already checked the website. It's not up

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to see with an audience. The music is great, it's funny,

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it has a great cast. It has Terry Hawk, Christine

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de Belle, Juliet Graham, Nancy Dare, a lot of the

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great New York hardcore people from like the seventy six era.

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I'm really excited to be to be a part of

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that screening for sure. Did you say they're screening the hardcore,

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the softcore, the softcore because they have an non hardcore

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policy now for the Deuce, which I think is fine

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when you're when it's a dinner theater kind of situation,

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there is something about eating food while there on the screen.

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and actually I think that movie is very smart and

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it doesn't include that much food with it. It's not

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like violation of Claudia with like the whole spaghetti scene

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that makes me want to throw up like that. I

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don't like food and sex. So Barbara Broadcast is a

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lot smarter, thankfully. But yeah, so The Deuce, you know,

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Joe and Jeff were kind of like, h like, we

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enjoyed those two movies, but I think it's hard for

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it to make it work with the vibes that we're

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going for for the series, and it's like, it's fine,

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there's plenty of softcore that we could do. I really

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want to show the cheerleaders, so I've been trying to

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get them to I've been and I'd love to do

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an episode about the cheerleaders too, because I love that

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movie to death. So yeah, hopefully the start of a

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continuing softcore, yeah exploitation connection that The Deuce in Brooklyn again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exciting. Yeah. You also got the new Secret

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Reviver number one. Give us a quick review update. It's

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very quick. I did review it on Letterbox.

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Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it because it's my kind of regional trash,

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you know, it's not sexploitation, and it's rated R and

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I kind of forget why there is a rape scene

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right with some nudity, very awkward nudity to you, by

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the way, I really enjoyed it. The package is very

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interesting for anyone who hasn't picked up the Reviver series,

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and you might have seen it online already. The packaging

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doesn't even tell you what the movies are. You pop

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the disk in and it just starts and you're like, oh, wait,

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this can't be right, so you hit menu. The menu

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doesn't tell you what the movies are. The menu tell

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you what the elements used are, so it'll be like

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thirty five millimeters threeaftcal print, a sixteen millimeter ab reversal

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or whatever. You won't know what they are until you

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press play and see the credits. So it's a very interesting, adventurous,

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exploratory thing. I did talk to Oscar, the head archivist,

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who's kind of Oscar's baby, right, this is very much

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his baby, and yeah, he said that sexplotation is not

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out of the question for a Reviver. He just knew

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that it right at the gate. It couldn't be something

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that would be potentially polarizing, which totally makes sense, and

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it had to be something that has been a long

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desired lost film, which is what this is. I mean,

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spoiler alert, it's Boots in The Preacher, the lost J. G.

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Patterson movie. Yeah, at this point everybody knows, so sexpotation

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isn't out of the question. I did float the Joe

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Sarno thing, and he was so funny. He was like,

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I don't think that the company would let me continue

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with a Reviver. I'd started with Joe Sarno, so I

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was like, I know the history of Joe Sarno not

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selling for some reason. The Bergman of forty second Street

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is still a sore subject with a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't start with him either for reasons.

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Speaker 4: No would, I wouldn't know be there.

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Speaker 2: I almost think he's too big of a name for

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Reviver at this point, like the.

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Speaker 4: Name doesn't sell though the name doesn't sell, Yeah, that's

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the thing, So too big.

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Speaker 2: Of a name, but it also doesn't sell. So it's like, uh, it's.

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Speaker 4: It's a big name, but it's a name that's kind

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of that's not doesn't guarantee sales. But he said it's

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not out of the question because they have so much stuff.

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I mean, they really do. They have a lot of

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and a lot of like single materials, like a third

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of a milliary theatrical print. Well, they're not gonna you know, uh,

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they're not gonna put that out of a four K

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or something.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I'm thinking back to all the stuff

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that was on that Lost Picture show, and like a

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couple you know, there was really like goofy stuff on

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there that I could see. Is more what they're probably

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gonna do with Reviver. I don't know, we'll see, Alex.

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Have you seen this Boots in the Preacher?

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Speaker 3: No, because I did. I don't pay into mystery stuff.

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That's my final thing I remember.

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Speaker 4: I will not be titillated by mystery.

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Speaker 3: No, that's economy, no thing you No, No, I have no.

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The only thing I've seen a boostive Preacher was the

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original eBay auction that this print came from, like two

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years ago or so. I remember frantically texting people at

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VS like that's are you getting this? Please don't be

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your buying us, blah blah blah blah. But I have

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not actually seen it. I didn't know it was that

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sought after. I know people were wanted it this much.

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I don't know. I thought it was a more of

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a niche thing. No, I thought it was like the

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Brady Grinter lost ones. I did not think a lot

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of people were I want to see it, but I

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did not think a lot of people were freaking out

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about this one.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I think it helps because for

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a long time, not just VS, a lot of other

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companies were using Temple of Schlocks and dangered lists as

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like a checklist for stuff that they wanted to actively

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pursue to find. And so that was like an early

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one on the dangered list. And when we have Chris

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On in two weeks, nice little teas, we're gonna have

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Chris On in a couple of weeks to talk about

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a film, I want to talk about Temple Schlock because

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I feel like that has led to a lot of

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rediscoveries because I you know, when you're someone like Chris

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who's been involved with like the Dizine scene and things

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for years and you have those different connections, people pay

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attention to what you say. So when he's focusing on like, well,

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this movie has kind of a nice footprint in like

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newspapers and stuff, so why is it not around? And

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so that I think brought more attention to it. The

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trailer is on the Twisted Sex thing too, And let

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me tell you, the trailer is not like the movie

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really is something completely different. I'm just like, this is interesting.

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So I was like Patterson, you old so and so

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like you there's just you know, I don't know, I

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love hate relationship with him anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I definitely do want to see it. Definitely

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do want to see it. Or is it sold out?

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Probably is the.

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Speaker 4: Limited the slipcover one is, which you know how I

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feel about slipcovers.

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Speaker 3: It's whatever I want to Okay, But the standard.

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Speaker 4: Edition is there's going to be a standard edition at

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some point. But yeah, because yeah, they want they want

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it to be out there, but I want a copy. Randomly,

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oh yeah, you won that. They had an they had

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an Instagram competition and I randomly got a message from

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them actually while we were recording our Lisa episode and

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they said you won, and I said, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Oscar High So yeah, our buddy slipcase Alex. He won

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a copy, but he had already pre ordered it, so

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he's sending me his. So hopefully I get.

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Speaker 4: And if you don't like it, you can send it

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to Alex. Alex even if I do like it.

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Speaker 2: I might just pass it on again, just keep it

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and keep it turing.

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Speaker 4: That's true. That's kind of fun. Actually, it's like it's

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like Traveling Pants but for perverts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, although I don't know how perverted this movie is.

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Speaker 4: Case It's not that perverse. But I quite enjoyed it.

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It's so crazy. It's it's really wild and crazy. It's

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it's interesting because when you see its tragctory. So basically

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this was his first one, and then Doctor Gore or

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The Body Shop, and then Electric Chair, and each one

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gets progressively better produced. Uh, the electric Chair is fantastic.

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I love the Electric Chair. But yeah, this one is

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very like I'm learning. It's very like directing with training wheels,

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and I love I live for ship like that. So

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a lot of local accents, big hair, local locations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sex the sex.

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Speaker 4: Workers are the heroes of the movie, which I love. Yeah,

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it's a good it's a good time. I enjoy it.

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You won't know what the hell is going on, but

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I love it. And they subtitled it all too Dino

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shout out to Dino subtitled it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If they didn't, they would get Casey's eire.

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Speaker 4: I can't watch anything without subtitles. Guys. Sorry, Like, there's

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so much sh it on to me that doesn't have subtitles.

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I'm like, guys, I need to be able to I

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need subtitles.

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Speaker 2: It's about the threatened legal action onto I did.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I think I was like, I posted a thing

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on my Instagram. I was like, isn't that legal that

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if you're gonna have something that's broadcast quote unquote, it

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has to legally have captions on it. I think they're

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getting around it because it's technically not broadcast.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, maybe I guess it depends your aggregator too. Yeah,

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to be should naturally do that. That's a normal thing

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these aggregators and stuff. They're like, it's a requirement, you

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have to include a file and file.

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of like Italian Crime with no

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subtitles on, Like all the Mark, the Mark, the Mark

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movies aren't there on there, they have no subtitles. I'm

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just like, I want to watch these, but I like,

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I like the subtitles. I don't know what to tell you.

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I've been like that since the high school. For my

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entire life. Basically, I've watched captions on We.

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Speaker 2: Got the Club Super Eights. Still, those guys are busy

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between the Christina stuff. They are putting out those Swedish

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pornal collabs with Nikatsu, which Dakota and Chris talked about

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many months ago on one of their very first podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like their second episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I was talking with them like

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someone needs to do a box set of these. I mean,

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it's a perfect box set, and it's happening. Yeah, Club

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Super Rates. I think the first two you can buy

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individually now, and then the box set's coming out. I

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don't know how it's working, but did you look at

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it closely, Casey.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So essentially you can either buy them individually as

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they come out, or if you buy the box set,

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apparently because you know the way the people are slipcovers

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and presentation. Apparently, if you buy the box set, all

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of the spines of all of them create an image

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in the box that matches with the box. So I

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am pre ordering it because I want all of them, obviously,

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And you looped, you very very thoughtfully looped me into

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an email with the with the Cult Picks Club Super

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eight guys, and of course I raved to them immediately,

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and I was like, oh my god, I'm so excited,

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and yeah, they're I mean, they give them the little

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extras on the Swedish women in these films, which is

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my real interests because they're they're women that I know

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from like, you know, toward me Wickman films and Joe

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Sarno films and and Thriller Cool Picture. So yeah, they're

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kind of like Swedish exploitation. Also rans that I quite like,

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so like ingersun Is Greta and Seduction of Inga and

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I think she almost steals the movie from Marie Lily

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Doll actually in that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we definitely need to get them on the

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show at some point. I think I have an idea

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that I threw at them for a kind of a

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fun film that in a genre we haven't really good.

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Idea touched too much.

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Speaker 4: All I'll say, but that's right, and the one I suggested,

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they were like, well, actually, that's with our competition. I

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was like, oh, well, I'm gonna go bother the competition

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because I need that on Blue right now. But they

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were very thoughtfully told us, well, we do have another

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movie with the same actress. I was like, okay, I

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need to see that. Yes, I definitely need to see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very good, guys. Yeah, yeah, we talk about

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cult picks all the time, but really, I mean every

469
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,839
day they're uploading new stuff over there. I get I

470
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,920
can't keep up, Like there's just so much good stuff

471
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,279
on that note. Yeah, I watched My Third Wife George,

472
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,839
which is the uploaded to it is. It's a Kirwin

473
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:27,200
brother masterpiece. What can I say? Did you get your

474
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:31,160
name from you being Kirwin's I don't know. It's funny. Yeah,

475
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,160
it's not four and a half, Casey's funny.

476
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,799
Speaker 4: That's that's a rating from the from like twenty five

477
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,799
years ago, trying to get genuinely funny. I think Bill

478
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,799
Kirwin is actually really funny in it, and he is, yeah,

479
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:46,160
he is.

480
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,799
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of girls in there didn't recognize.

481
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,839
I don't know if they were just one off Miami

482
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:57,920
Florida girls. But well, I guess that's the question here, Casey. Yeah,

483
00:24:58,039 --> 00:24:59,960
you wanted to do a little what are we watch?

484
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,920
Which I'm always has it. I told the guys, like

485
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,799
I always to do these because I hate podcasts where

486
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:08,200
they're like, hey, yeah, this episode, we're gonna talk about

487
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,759
this movie. But here's fifty minutes of us talking about

488
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,799
what we've been watching for the last week. But I

489
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:16,640
think it works in this case because we're not focusing

490
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,359
on a movie. We're gonna do a Q and A

491
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,039
in one second here, yes.

492
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 4: But also speaking of which, we're kind of going to

493
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,599
be doing that at another show anyway, which is disconnected,

494
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:27,960
which we're doing that show.

495
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're jumping all over our news and updates here,

496
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:36,920
but yeah, I be a disconnected show. Next Thursday, Yes,

497
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,440
next Thursday, January eighth. I think that's eight, that's eight

498
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,400
thirty Central Time. So for you, Casey, that's nine thirty.

499
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,359
Be a late night for you.

500
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 4: That's great, that's fine. I work from home the next day.

501
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:51,720
I will be nice and toasty. I'll have a nice

502
00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:53,000
cocktail and have fun.

503
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,279
Speaker 2: All right, good Alex, you better be in the chat

504
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,000
rooting us on.

505
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 3: Okay, realized speaking for Gentry, getting Nippit zapping out there.

506
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,559
Speaker 4: Please I please, yes, get more voices out there so

507
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:11,680
the Genter doesn't sound like a limited.

508
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,319
Speaker 3: I'm going to create five different accounts, and every single

509
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:18,240
one of them every other minute. Can it be like

510
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,359
over Yeah, miss infits are each going to have your

511
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,640
little account and Infit one, Infit two, Nfit three.

512
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 4: Listen, I love miss an Infant. I mean, we could

513
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,920
just do a commentary for the patreons just to get

514
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,319
it out of our system and then when they put

515
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:36,279
it out they can just use it.

516
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,279
Speaker 2: No, I'm saving it. I'm bottling it all up for you.

517
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 4: I mean, because we've talked about so many of the

518
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,279
actresses in that we are, we have so much to

519
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,599
talk about if we do the commentary for that, So yeah,

520
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:47,640
it'll happen.

521
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:51,039
Speaker 2: It's I'm like I said, I'm manifesting this, Miss Niff.

522
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,559
Speaker 3: Anyone wants to contribute to the GoFundMe for gentries camping

523
00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:57,359
supplies to hang out outside of EGGFA headquarters with a

524
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,480
giant sign There will be linked below. He is currently

525
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,519
on day ten of Camp Bear until they released it,

526
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:09,680
Miss and it fits happened. This is a green screen

527
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,160
behind him. Actually he's nine a nice bedroom at all.

528
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 4: Outside well, Lisa said that at the Xander Syndrome's restoration

529
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:19,880
that looks better and I was like, where did you

530
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,200
see that? Is it all?

531
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: It was a gratis down remember way back when the

532
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,759
Exploitation dot TV, Yes, way back when.

533
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: And now that they have the partnership with Warner Brothers.

534
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,200
They want to forget all about the exploitation dot TV days.

535
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,799
Won't forget. I won't forget.

536
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I first saw things like flash Pot.

537
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,640
Yeah yeah, way back when. So yeah, no, no, their

538
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,319
print skin, I well, I can't say because I've never

539
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,519
seen the Something Weird one because I had no reason to.

540
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,759
But it definitely had more emulsion than scratches. If that's

541
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,599
if the Something Weird print is the opposite.

542
00:27:59,400 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 4: Yes.

543
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: Well.

544
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: Also, their transfer process was I think really different than

545
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:04,599
vinegars and the transfer process.

546
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a tape.

547
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I think it would look better.

548
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so yeah it was. It was a print.

549
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:13,200
It was watchable.

550
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:13,759
Speaker 4: Mm hm.

551
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: That's glad to say it makes a good extra and something.

552
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: No, no, it's just it's it's the main feature.

553
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you don't want it as a bonus, you

554
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,400
want it to be the main feature. I don't think lessa.

555
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,160
I'm a big fan of that movie. I love that movie.

556
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,359
I loved it when I first saw it. I don't

557
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,559
make any apologies for loving misnefits happened. I think I

558
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:39,240
have so much fun with it. Save it and most

559
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,960
of these sex movies when they try to be funny

560
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,240
or not funny, I find it genuinely amusing. You know,

561
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,960
everyone's having a blast. All the cast is having a blast,

562
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:48,640
Like you.

563
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:53,799
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, what are we watching here? I'll just cruise through. Well,

564
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,480
I don't really have much else to say. I mean,

565
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,960
i feel like I'm kind of in my like Sam

566
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:01,799
Degan mode here, where everything I'm related to, like something

567
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,799
I'm working on or something I'm not ready to talk

568
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:09,240
about yet. So I'm going to kick it to you, Casey.

569
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:13,559
Speaker 4: Well, you know we've we've done a lot. We've already

570
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,720
mentioned a lot about Two in the Pink EU. I

571
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:19,119
think for our sister podcasts at this point, are they

572
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,559
not our brother podcast? We have our own little chat

573
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,039
with them, so yeah, I mean they're kind of they're

574
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,039
kind of like our counterparts. We talk to them all

575
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,640
the time. But I have them to blame for my

576
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,039
new obsession. Who is Arena may I? Who is the

577
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:38,519
Barbara Stanwick of Roman Porno? So I watched two of

578
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,559
our movies back to back. I watched zoom In, Rape

579
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,400
Apartments and Sex Hunter, two completely different performances, and I'm

580
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,279
obsessed with this woman. So I'm begging for someone to

581
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:52,200
put out an Arenamy eyebox set if possible before I

582
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,839
left for holidays. The holidays, I also finally got my

583
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:58,920
Black Manual box set finally, and I made a little

584
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,960
bit of head I only watched the first two movies

585
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,119
before I had to leave, so I feel very separated

586
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,720
from my queen right now, and I cannot wait to

587
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,480
return and bask in the glory of Laura gems Er.

588
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: I can't wait for you to get to Black Velvet again.

589
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,559
I know you've seen it.

590
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,119
Speaker 4: If I think revisiting it, I might like it more.

591
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,759
The soundtrack is is incredible. Soundtrack is absolutely incredible. But yeah,

592
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,279
I just any movie with Laura gems are like forced

593
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:29,359
to pose next to dead dogs. I feel like is

594
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,519
misusing my queen a little bit, So you know I

595
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:35,440
will rewatch it.

596
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: Well.

597
00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: For a long time, I was the only IMDb review

598
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,720
of that because I rented it as Emmanuel in Egypt

599
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,599
on VHS from my old Mama Pop Story days and

600
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,559
I think I raced it over the coles. I believe

601
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:51,400
I deleted that review, but I hated it, yeah at

602
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,240
that point, But I think I like it again and

603
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,680
it has your queen and your queen and Annie Bell.

604
00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:58,880
It's like the meeting of our queen's in one movie.

605
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: It's it's tagem Manuel meets Black Emmanuel. Yep. So, Alex,

606
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:06,319
what have you been doing?

607
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,359
Speaker 3: I have not been watching a lot recently.

608
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: What are you talking about? Are you into movies?

609
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:18,119
Speaker 2: Them all you see?

610
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: I know you read like you reazy papers acts, but

611
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,279
do you watch movies? I forget?

612
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: Why do you think I'm here? Okay, oh my god,

613
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,480
what are you talking about? What are these guys doing?

614
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,279
Speaker 4: Audience?

615
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're going on about. I don't know.

616
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,079
It's because I don't log things on letterbox, is probably

617
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,599
what they're going on about. I don't always log theirs.

618
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 6: I know.

619
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: I haven't reading a lot more recently than I have

620
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:46,920
been watching. But what I've been watching is shit. I've

621
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:54,440
been watching mostly nudies because these guys know. But to

622
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:59,720
the everyone else listening, I've taken upon myself to see

623
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:07,160
every available American produced sixty sexploitation film, and I am

624
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,519
close to I am somewhat close to being done.

625
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:12,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

626
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: The only problem okay, oh oh my god, no, no, no, no, no,

627
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,200
I mean those district picks. H that handful was a

628
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,559
really big lifesaver. Do not get me wrong. I'm even

629
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,160
closer now. That was like my big Oh god, I

630
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,519
don't know how I'm gonna get all these because of

631
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:30,559
how obscure so many of those were. But before then

632
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,000
and now, because I like Marathon almost solved those. As

633
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:38,720
you do know, don't watch eight sex films in the day, folks,

634
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,599
I don't recommend it.

635
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: No, I don't either, No.

636
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't. But you know, when you

637
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,119
start on a high like Grand Places three films, I mean.

638
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: Only you can only go down from there.

639
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: I felt like I was like rid Away and I

640
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,599
was like, oh this is heavenly, Oh my god, after

641
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:00,640
these nudies. So unfortunately it's been mostly nudies now days

642
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,839
because I'm almost out of everything. If someone has a

643
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,680
rip of sexperts, please send it to me. I'm desperate.

644
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:13,039
No want Touched by Temptation nineteen sixty five, one that.

645
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: After one that retros Deduction put out.

646
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,519
Speaker 3: Yes, oh you know, I don't very few. Yeah, I don't.

647
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,480
Because I saw that.

648
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: I sold that DVD before I burnt, before I ripped

649
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,240
a copy for myself. When I was destitute, I was

650
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,279
selling everything to make money, and I don't have that anymore.

651
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,000
That version, though, has inserts that are not part of

652
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,200
the original film, because that's what Razo does.

653
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: That's something to Yeah, that's also the only existing version.

654
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,519
So yeah, folks, I am stuck watching almost all nudies

655
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,279
because that's all I really have left. I at least

656
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:49,160
try and watch them when I'm like also doing something else,

657
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,440
not painful attention to them. But even then it's been

658
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,400
really hard. So like recently it's been Adam and Adam

659
00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:01,000
and six eves. Yeah, knew its life. Occasually, I've done

660
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,759
most of the Mayhons, Like at least one of the

661
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,559
Bunny Yegger ones was a nice break. But even then, sure,

662
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,039
that's still a bit sticking.

663
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: To sixties though, right, you're not you're not doing seventies.

664
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: No, you're doing like pre sixty five like new Yeah

665
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,480
those kind.

666
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: Of uh yes, yes. Then then occasional stuff like I

667
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,960
just saw finally Girls Girls Come to Yeah, that weird,

668
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,000
that weird hybrid. It's only as interesting as it is

669
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,239
because of because it's a hybrid. And yeah, b it's

670
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,039
besides the Row Ones, the second film to show full frontal, so.

671
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: You're getting like a lot of burless skin there too,

672
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,760
probably and.

673
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,079
Speaker 3: New Yeah, burlesque is more so fifties and forties though,

674
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,119
you know the newdies.

675
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,519
Speaker 2: I'm talking like the Naughty New York you know, stuff

676
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:51,639
like that, like.

677
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,119
Speaker 4: The Intrader one. Even then the albums that other version two.

678
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still see that one. I haven't seen that

679
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,480
one yet, but that's about the only birl one I

680
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:01,079
can think of.

681
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess not in New York. It is like

682
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,320
lately yeah fifty nine, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

683
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 4: Like a Lull to Buy a bear Land has some

684
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,280
burlesque in it. But that's another weird that's a weird

685
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,599
mix of like three different genres in one movie.

686
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they see that one. See also, these are

687
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,639
these blending somebody you might remember off the top of

688
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:19,360
the head. And whether I've seen this one or not,

689
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,119
I'll have to go back.

690
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,519
Speaker 4: You might remember because it's a triptych of stories. There's

691
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,960
a Newdist can't it's a Newdist camp movie, a Newdi

692
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:30,760
Cutie and a burlesque movie in one movie. It's like, yeah,

693
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,880
it's three different stories.

694
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,559
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I don't think I've seen that one yet.

695
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,199
I think that's one of the yeah, one, I think

696
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,239
you might like I left over. Okay, I'm looking forward

697
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,079
to that one then, at least because so yeah, folks,

698
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239
besides that, like the last, it's either it's either that

699
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,639
or just like taking comfort food breaks with things I've

700
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:51,880
recently rediscovered. I really like like Room and Broad and

701
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,519
remember on films like that. I've seen that like three

702
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,440
or four times now. Really it's just I just put

703
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,199
on in the back. Oh, you just got I'm so

704
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,480
happy with Rumen Broad. You guys have no idea is

705
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:05,280
this really good?

706
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,159
Speaker 4: Because it's really good.

707
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 3: Don't be too don't get me started. Yeah, Casey, Casey

708
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,480
really got me on this whole Grand Place thing.

709
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 4: Well, now you know why I was mad when Laura

710
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,199
on IMDb raked me over the coals from my liner note.

711
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,119
I did the liner notes for Room and Broad and Procure,

712
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,639
and he raked me over the coles by name, saying

713
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:25,400
that I was an idiot for saying Grand Place was

714
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,480
any kind of good filmmaker. And I'm just like, his

715
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:30,960
stuff is great compared to everything else. Dister picks alge

716
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,320
of the Pope.

717
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: I mean, let me pref for this for people out there.

718
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,239
I think I've already said to one or two of

719
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,599
you out there. Rubin Broad is a script written by

720
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Joe Sarno that was never produced by Joe Sarno. So

721
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:46,320
even if it was directed, like shit, it is verbatim

722
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,639
a Joe Sarno story. So even if grand Place had

723
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:51,000
no idea what he was doing, that would have been

724
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:55,719
utterly fantastic right off the bat. Anyone who wants the

725
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,440
film version of the Joe Sarno script in the ben

726
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,320
how to make it release? That is roomin Broad.

727
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: That is what that is.

728
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,079
Speaker 3: It was made into a movie. It's a very good movie.

729
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, because even the final shot. Because I finally got

730
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,800
that release and I read the script and I checked

731
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,400
the final shot, I was like, even the final shot

732
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:17,000
is laid out visually the way that it placed erected

733
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:17,920
it in that script.

734
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: It's really it's really quite The second time I watched it,

735
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,119
I had the script in my hand and like, the

736
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,039
lines are verbatim. They are, Yeah, the lines are verbatim.

737
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,840
The framing is different for quite a bit of it.

738
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,760
It does not follow Joe Sarno's framing as it's laid

739
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,440
out in that thing. But no complaints. It's really good

740
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,679
across the board. Oh my god. So yeah, at least

741
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:43,320
I've also found things like that, thanks the people, like

742
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,320
thanks the Casey anything.

743
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,559
Speaker 4: Happy to help? Yes, that I finally invested in a

744
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:51,800
new one, and I was like, let me get get cracking.

745
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,239
I'm all of these guys movies.

746
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: Yes, I know. I realized ante that one too, because

747
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,639
I don't think you do you do you have sex Circus?

748
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,599
I have that one.

749
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: I do want that, Okay, I do, Yeah, I do

750
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:03,239
have sex Circus.

751
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: Okay, requests fine recently, No, really, it's only fine.

752
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: I think I wrote the liners for that too, didn't

753
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,920
I put? I put all my liners on letterbox that

754
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,760
I had access to without actually reviewing the movie because

755
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,800
I need to rewatch them all.

756
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

757
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,639
Speaker 4: I remember liking it isn't it's Tommy gets again right,

758
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,360
the only one of his the same guy for Brenda.

759
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:28,840
I like Brenda enough, and I love marriage marriage Dropouts.

760
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,320
I also like to with the surprise gay stuff in that,

761
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,800
like I've done that one yet, so okay, you need

762
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,880
to get going that one. That one quite a bit.

763
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,400
I like Marriage Dropouts. I think that's probably my favorite

764
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,639
of his. Actually, Oh, I find Sex Circus to be

765
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,039
his best to the point that like, did tom think

766
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:50,000
I had to really like it?

767
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: Kind of feel like all Tommy's things feel like like

768
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,920
one or two lights and then haphazard like sex Circus

769
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,280
has thought behind it, at least at least with some

770
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,199
of the weird inventiveness that happens in that thing, like

771
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,960
the scary clown and the lion tamer. Guy, I'm the

772
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:12,840
weird man who's making out with a window and yeah no, no,

773
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,760
sex Circus ismer grip. Sex Circus is like love Captive

774
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,280
in its weirdness. Well, I really agree love love captive,

775
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,719
so it's even better love captive weird love. But it's

776
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,880
like Uda Erickson going like I like making people eat

777
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,280
leather boots while like while like punk rock plays in

778
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,599
the background, and she's in this like weird like bring back.

779
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,159
Speaker 4: Don't I remember the whip? I don't know.

780
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,639
Speaker 3: It's so crazy good?

781
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: Yeah to me?

782
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, he's around being like I love to

783
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,199
dominate women. I'm gonna party where I dominate women.

784
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need to.

785
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 3: It's so good.

786
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,519
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll bug you when you get home to dig

787
00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:58,440
that out casey.

788
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll buy pass my, I'll keep Laura gems are

789
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,639
on ice fellingry.

790
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,679
Speaker 3: Once no sex or because this is what matters. I

791
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,840
need to see that clown again.

792
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: All right, should we get some questions going here? Guys? Yes,

793
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,400
all right, we got some questions. We got a few

794
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,440
directed to Casey, we got one big one for Alex.

795
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:54,039
But we're just gonna kind of bounce around with with

796
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,719
some abandoned let's.

797
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,199
Speaker 4: Just start with it. Are you are you gonna be

798
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:58,840
the quiz master?

799
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: Sure, I'll be the quick master.

800
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,199
Speaker 4: Okay, that sounds good.

801
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess this is a good broad one

802
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:11,480
to start with. What are y'all's dream something weird video

803
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:14,199
Blu ray upgrades? I think we've kind of touched on

804
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,920
this a bit, but here's the official question. Let's just

805
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,119
I mean, don't get too crazy. Just give us like

806
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,239
one or two maybe that you're dying for.

807
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 4: Well, my first thought immediately is like, do you mean

808
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,960
stuff that has come out on DVD already or do

809
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:32,119
you mean stuff that has been languishing in the library

810
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,960
and has never been out out of a DVDR. Let's

811
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,320
go with like, let's stick with the DVDs. I think

812
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,400
it's easier because the library is and so much other

813
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,559
stuff like mattin a Wives is way overdue for any

814
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:47,719
kind of official release. I love Mattinee Wives. So Miss

815
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,320
Niphant's happened. Well, and that's another one. Miss Nippit's happened

816
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440
never got an official release. It was only DVDR. So

817
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,000
obviously kiss Me Quick, obviously kiss Me Quick, dying for

818
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,480
kiss Me Quick restoration with nice pop not nice pop

819
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,760
in colors, boy box, it was just so funny ones

820
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,239
on a lot of novack. Basically, well, we've we've said

821
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,400
on here multiple times Carmen released the hostages. You know,

822
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,800
this feels like a hostage negotiation situation at this point,

823
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,320
Like Carmen, I don't know what you want. I don't

824
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,840
know what you need, but lay out your demands and

825
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,920
we will see what we can do. But at this

826
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,039
point it feels like a hostile hostage situation.

827
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:38,519
Speaker 6: Let's see, actually sort of off, Mike, we did yes

828
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,440
and uh, just a lot of a lot of a

829
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:44,079
lot of a lot of confirmations.

830
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 4: Basically, let's see moving away from novacks, Alex, you have

831
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,719
one on your on the top of your head.

832
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:55,639
Speaker 3: Oh I three, yeah, I three? Uh rat the number

833
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,599
one would be aroused. Oh yeah, that's percent killed. Absolutely

834
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:08,400
aroused hands down my favorites exploitation films, and then The

835
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,800
Animal another one my absolute favorites.

836
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:15,639
Speaker 2: That one I think is really really would benefit because

837
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,159
what we have now is pretty dark. There's some really

838
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,920
dark scenes that I think that they could.

839
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that film is very shadowy.

840
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,199
Speaker 2: I know, like you always say, like sometimes sometimes that

841
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,639
cinematography is hard to like quote unquote like correct. It's

842
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,360
like really strong Sarno like blacks. But yeah, as we

843
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:36,760
saw with.

844
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 3: The oddly enough that transfer compared to something like passionate

845
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,519
hot hollows still looked pretty good. Whatever the print was,

846
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,920
that was a pretty decent That was a pretty decent

847
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:54,480
print of the Animal. So I do have faith in

848
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,519
that one because I did have some pretty like good

849
00:43:57,679 --> 00:43:59,079
like grays and mid tones.

850
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,559
Speaker 1: With that.

851
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,079
Speaker 3: So I still think you could pull a decent image

852
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,360
out of the one element. Fingers crossed that maybe more

853
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,920
have shown up or something like that. On my end,

854
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,719
no negatives, I don't think there's a negative for that one.

855
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,079
We would have already gotten it likely if it had

856
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,840
also shown up with those other ones too, that wouldn't

857
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,880
still be saying around. I think it's still staying around,

858
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:27,000
probably because of elements because I can't see why Severn

859
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,519
wouldn't have put it out if a NAG was available.

860
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,679
So I think it's probably an element situation with that one.

861
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:35,960
Some of those elements had faded since there's something weird

862
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,719
days in particular, you know, like Hollywood's World of Flesh

863
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,599
was gone unfortunately. Surf tied seventy seven. I think that's

864
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:44,320
gone unfortunately as well too.

865
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 4: I like that one really, No, no, we don't need them.

866
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: Oh I like that one, okay, but then Fountain, Yes.

867
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 4: That's another one I'm like, like an upgrade for but

868
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,199
yeah SURFTI said, no, we don't need serf title.

869
00:44:56,199 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: Lucky, the neg for a house on Bear Mountain exists.

870
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,719
I'm surprised that one. But yeah, the neck for that's around. Hey,

871
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,000
hopefully it has been restored, so fingers crossed. It looks good.

872
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:10,199
It looks really good. And now third one is Sock

873
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,119
It to Me Baby.

874
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, another one that is.

875
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,199
Speaker 3: Musical, just for the music alone too, because there is

876
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,199
preprint elements. I'll say that, so like we had a

877
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,599
slightly splicy print of that, we have better elements now,

878
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,639
so I would really like to see that one. I

879
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:31,519
think that's also make for any favorite, and that was

880
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:35,239
see if memory serves correct for one of the very

881
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,800
first order forms, one of the very first exploitation titles.

882
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,719
That's something weird put out, like with syn Syndicate. Yes,

883
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:44,079
films like that too.

884
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: That's crazy because I mean, I don't think there's any

885
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,639
Loukampa on Blue Radio, is there? No?

886
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 4: Because three of them are with no back and then

887
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,880
the socking tube of baby and then come on Baby,

888
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,039
light my Fire also is not available, and that's kind

889
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,400
of it. There's not a lot. Luke Campa was not

890
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,679
as prolific as one would think, but no, he did a.

891
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,599
Speaker 3: Bunch of producing for other he didn't do. He also

892
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:15,880
produced a bunch of other ones, Master Beater Private Relations,

893
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:20,679
Master Beers Lost, Private Relations. He produced Sugar Daddy. I

894
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,400
think he produced that one.

895
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,599
Speaker 4: So Bel Crane stuff, Larry Crane stuff.

896
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he does that artist Studio Secrets, which has.

897
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:37,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that really odd first one that it was

898
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:40,719
Pratt's strange, but also has Larry Hunter in one of

899
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,440
his best roles as well too, Larry Hunter's on Fire

900
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,119
and All Cylinders and that oh my god, yeah he is. Yeah,

901
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:50,480
that's his movie. I love the music and that I'm

902
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:53,400
still trying to find the band who did some of

903
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,679
that those original songs. I would kill that some of those.

904
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,920
But yeah, I'm just going to keep it to those

905
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,320
three because yeah, I could keep going, we could all

906
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:02,880
keep going on.

907
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 4: And well, one that I think other than well, I

908
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,000
don't know, you know, I don't think you had this

909
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,119
DVD because you hadn't seen much through white Doors. I

910
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,880
also really like Unholy Matrimony, which was the dvdco feature

911
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,679
of that. I like that one a lot. I like

912
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,920
Electronic Lover that has a great such a week's a weird,

913
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,480
that's a weird. Like visually, oh, smoking Flesh. Would love

914
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,840
a Smoking Flesh restoration. I think that is just so

915
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:31,960
fucking good.

916
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: That's such a slam dunk like it is.

917
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 4: It's so good, it's so good. Yeah. But yeah, like

918
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,960
Alex said, we could go on forever. But honestly, I

919
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:45,280
think my focus other than like like kiss Me Quick

920
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,039
or something that's some really bold color that we know

921
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,360
the negatives are there for. I really like nice, crisp,

922
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:53,800
black and white restorations. And that was confirmed when I

923
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,920
saw the the bed and how to make it restored,

924
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,000
and I was like, Okay, I need more black and

925
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:04,800
white exploitation on Blu ray because it just it's so

926
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,599
it's just I think it really shows the technical skill

927
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,639
of a lot of these filmmakers and how well made

928
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:12,719
it is. Well, even like Sarno, I'd love to see

929
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,159
flesh and lace on on Blu Ray. Yeah, I mean,

930
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,519
the list could go on. There's just there's so much,

931
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,679
so much stuff that I'd like to see upgraded. There's

932
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,480
so there's more stuff that I'd actually not give a

933
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,559
shit about upgrading. But you know, but there submission, there's

934
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,320
a lot of most of the titles that we've covered

935
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,280
on this show, Dying for All American Girl like dying

936
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,320
for for upgrades. But yeah, like there are little small

937
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,400
ones that I think are overlooked, like something like electronic lever,

938
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,800
smoke and flesh on. I think there's a.

939
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: Probably my there's fantastic deep cuts all the way through,

940
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:50,320
Like when I just discovered with Rubin broad which almost

941
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,719
no one has seen, and I thought that that should

942
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,800
have been I think that should have been go to

943
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,119
Image release, like keep on going because like yeah, or

944
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:01,239
they're out of Prince and it's.

945
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: Just like well no, and so we got scared their

946
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,360
pants off in Satan's Bed, which nobody was asking, and

947
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,519
then go all the way down.

948
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: Into great films that were seased and desisted that were

949
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,880
probably never going to see, Like the Playpen was really

950
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,760
good as well too, like thanks to the all the

951
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,079
way down to the very bottom of that catalog and

952
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:20,880
there's like immediate I want.

953
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, tuck me in. Also, I'd love an upgrade

954
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,119
to Tuck me In. Oh that's so good.

955
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, tuck me in.

956
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 4: Tuck me In is great. Anything once see the three

957
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,719
grilland places are room and broad for cure and anything once.

958
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,480
It's a great triple feature and they're all just put

959
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:37,920
them all out as a package.

960
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,159
Speaker 3: They're all everything once Uda Ericson and Linda Boyce being

961
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:44,519
the nastiest lesbians to each other. It's just like peeks.

962
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,639
Everyone doesn't seen, you know, you want to cheery Winters

963
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:50,840
as like as that low key Dominatrix.

964
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,039
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's just yeah. Anyway, I guess I guess

965
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,639
we could keep going, but I think for the interest

966
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,000
of time, we have other questions.

967
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: Well that's a good segue for you, Kzy, because somebody

968
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,519
was asking, like, you know, you have the most experienced

969
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,000
working with a lot of these labels, and you've kind

970
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,960
of seen them change their identity over time. There's a

971
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,400
question here do you think this is due to being

972
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:20,039
more financially successful or do you believe this is an

973
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,960
adaptation to the current market of film buyers, with an

974
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,239
example being you know Vineger Syndrome originally focusing on lost

975
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,400
barely seeing hardcore films or genre films, whereas what they

976
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:33,760
are now.

977
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now they have a forty film deal with

978
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:41,000
Warner Brothers. Yeah, And I have thought, yeah, I think

979
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:43,719
it's a little of both. I think that I think

980
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,800
that most people in the business would say this, I'll

981
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:53,199
speak for them. Horror is what sells. So that's why

982
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,400
the worst piece of shit that has a killer with

983
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880
a knife in it or some kind of marketable horror

984
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:03,760
element will make money, and especially if it has a slipcover,

985
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,119
it will make money regardless of how good it is.

986
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,119
It's not anymore really about the quality of the films.

987
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:13,199
It's about how can we move this product, and so

988
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,679
that is very different from the mission statement of the

989
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,440
company as it started. I will but I will say

990
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,719
this as the mission statement has changed, the fact that

991
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,679
they have not completely thrown porn Overboard is a good thing.

992
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,800
But I will give Joe Rubin credit. That is all

993
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,119
Joe Rubin, because Joe Rubin, as many things, as as

994
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,840
as our relationship has ebbed and flowed over the years,

995
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,079
I still I love the guy. We've had our ups

996
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:44,320
and downs. He loves he genuinely loves sex films and

997
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,480
he wants to save them and restore them. He loves

998
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:49,960
the people that made them. He will not abandon those films,

999
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:54,159
and I think that's why we If anyone is the

1000
00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:00,320
heir apparent do something weird, it would be Joe Reuben

1001
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,159
in vinegar syndrome because their mission statement, at least his

1002
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,320
personal mission statement is similar to that. It's like, I

1003
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,159
want to see all this stuff. I want to preserve

1004
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:15,800
and save all this stuff. So so while it's I

1005
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,800
think is my big issue is access. Yes, my big

1006
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,800
issue with him, and I've told him this multiple times

1007
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,679
to his face, so I'm not speaking out of school.

1008
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,519
The issue is access. If you're going to save something,

1009
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,119
to preserve something, if you're not making it accessible to people,

1010
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,880
then you're basically just a hoarder with an expensive hobby.

1011
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,199
And I don't care for that, because what's the point

1012
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,039
of saving it if it's not going to be viewable

1013
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,400
or shareable or accessible. So that is my own that's

1014
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,320
my big issue with Vinegar Syndrome. And I've said this

1015
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,760
on the podcast multiple times, but yeah, I mean, Miliciny

1016
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,239
is not going away, and neither are any of the

1017
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,719
sex film sub labels attached to that. Like sex films

1018
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,480
may not necessary may not necessarily be the big money

1019
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:03,039
makers that they were, and they still continue to be.

1020
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:05,360
They still make money on certain titles and a lot.

1021
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:07,519
I mean they they there's certain things that will always

1022
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:11,719
be in print that they own, but they're not going anywhere,

1023
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,360
which I think is a good thing to know.

1024
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: So I think it feels like they're just getting started.

1025
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean they just I thought they would have

1026
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,480
announced this already. I'm not going to say who it is,

1027
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,320
but they have a major distribution to you with a

1028
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:31,079
major one of the last surviving remaining adult film video

1029
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:35,280
companies with major titles that they not I'm not talking

1030
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,199
about Mitchell Brothers. They bought that Kit and Kaboodle. This

1031
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,559
is a whole different company and they're going to be

1032
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:42,719
announcing stuff that people are probably going to be losing

1033
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,679
their minds over. So if they were winding it down,

1034
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,760
they wouldn't be making these deals. So yeah, and that's

1035
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,639
the thing that I think it is important to note

1036
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,480
that as much as I love blesting the balls of

1037
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,719
Joe and the Melicine guys, we have so much to

1038
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,320
thank them for. And this isn't me kissing ask because

1039
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,519
I do freelance for them, because there's all sorts of

1040
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:09,159
shit that I say to them personally. But yeah, noo,

1041
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,400
we're very lucky to be around now where we can

1042
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,559
see stuff for stort from like camera negatives and put

1043
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:20,159
out in nice loving packages like you know. So, yeah,

1044
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,199
there are changes happening in terms of the mission statement,

1045
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,280
but that still will always be a part of it,

1046
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,800
and I think it's very important to note that. But

1047
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,360
I think also important to note why it will be

1048
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,800
a part of it. It's really thanks to the work

1049
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,039
of Joe. And also Steve Morowitz is now very involved

1050
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,000
with the company now. He's kind of like the one

1051
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:42,639
man show over there at District Picks in Meliciny.

1052
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love seeing Stephen. You know, he's putting his

1053
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,320
face out there more, which I think is good.

1054
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 4: Yes, which he didn't used to do. He used to

1055
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,800
be much more. He used to be a lot like me,

1056
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,199
where I didn't like to like hear my voice on anything,

1057
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,719
and I didn't want my name on anything. And I

1058
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,719
think he's more it's more proactive with being like, no this,

1059
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,440
I'm involved with this. And it wasn't out of embarrassment.

1060
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,599
It was just kind of like trying to push the

1061
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,079
movies into people up, which is what I was always

1062
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:09,559
about two.

1063
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 2: So but yeah, yeah, I mean and as far as

1064
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,159
like vinegar syndrome, like I don't, you know, I don't.

1065
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,800
I'm not one of those people that gets upset when

1066
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,519
I see like garbage Pail Kids being released or something

1067
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,079
like that because I just won't buy it. Yeah, I

1068
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,119
just it's not for me. And if it helps fun

1069
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:28,480
to other things that I will buy, then more power

1070
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:29,320
to them, you know.

1071
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,599
Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna like, did

1072
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:34,719
I get excited about Troll two? Yes, of course I

1073
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,599
got excited about True Troll too. I fucking love Troll too.

1074
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:40,000
I've loved Troll Too since I had it on VHS

1075
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,440
in nineteen ninety. I'm I'm an og Troll two VHS

1076
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:46,559
owner and I was seven years old. Okay, you know

1077
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,880
I'm excited about troll too. There's stuff that they announced

1078
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,760
that I'm excited about, but their partner labels and the

1079
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,000
Meloiciny stuff I get much more excited about because that

1080
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:58,599
really hits my sweet spot because that's those are films

1081
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,320
that deserve love too, and that was the entire mission

1082
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,639
statement of the company. So the fact that they're still

1083
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,920
doing that, I think is important. Always important to note.

1084
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,760
You can gripe if you want about the mainstream stuff,

1085
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:14,000
don't buy it. There's still stuff that's for us who

1086
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,440
are into, like you know, the bottom dwelling.

1087
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,599
Speaker 3: There's still finding ways to get out films like Boost

1088
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:22,280
and The Preacher no matter what.

1089
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:26,599
Speaker 2: And on top of the things like people into buying it.

1090
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: Yes, but at least you're still working to get people

1091
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,440
to buy, to get people to look at that type

1092
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:31,920
of stuff.

1093
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 4: And I will say that something else I forgot. The

1094
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:37,199
Reviver thing has a really nice extra with Oscar going

1095
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,000
through the print of Boots in The Preacher on like

1096
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:43,000
a scanner, showing you the pieces that like, well, this

1097
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:44,400
is going to be a problem, so we have to

1098
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,800
do this. This is an issue.

1099
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 3: I eat that ship up like, so they are there.

1100
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 4: That's something else I will say with the company, they

1101
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,800
have all the right people working with them behind the

1102
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,320
scenes doing this shit. Like I mentioned Dino, Dino takes

1103
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,320
doing the subtitles and all the other works he does

1104
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:05,400
very seriously, like they're passionate about what they do because

1105
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:07,679
they love doing it, and I think that's really important.

1106
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:09,440
I think a lot of other boutique labels they have

1107
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,000
people who are doing it because well, I want to

1108
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,360
work in film and I don't care what it is,

1109
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,119
but they have all the right people working for them.

1110
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,119
Speaker 2: So well speaking, that kind of feeds into another question,

1111
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,000
which is Casey, with your bit of insider knowledge, what

1112
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:26,880
do you think is the future of physical media.

1113
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: I think it's going to stay Blu Ray, honestly. And

1114
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,880
I see people on Reddit say that they don't want

1115
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,760
to buy They're only going to buy four K now,

1116
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,360
and I'm like, well, enjoy your boring life, because there's

1117
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,199
a lot of stuff that will never come out on

1118
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,559
four K because four K is so much more unforgiving

1119
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,000
than Not only is it more unforgiving than Blu Ray

1120
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:48,199
in terms of the high definition, it's also much more

1121
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:51,880
expensive to not only license the you have to pay

1122
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,599
a licensing fee or whatever it's called to make that type,

1123
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:58,199
to use that technology, it's more expensive to do the transfers.

1124
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,400
It's more expensive all around. So I think Blu ray

1125
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,559
is gonna stay for for a while. I think that's

1126
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:09,400
kind of the safe bed at this point. It's still

1127
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,079
nice and high death. You for whatever reason can put

1128
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,519
out vhs and sbhs off on Blu ray and it

1129
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,960
looks fine. You can't do that with four K. Sorry,

1130
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:20,119
you can't do that. But you're not gonna you can't

1131
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:23,800
put out like boarding House on on a four K.

1132
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:24,880
Not gonna happen.

1133
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, so, do I want to see like

1134
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,079
an Italian Gothic in four K?

1135
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:29,599
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1136
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: I will buy that. Absolutely ghost this thing, Yes, I

1137
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,800
need to see you know, uh, a black and white

1138
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,639
Sarno on four K. Probably not.

1139
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: I think probably like a grainy sixty millimere film is

1140
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,719
not going to look at all better or anything. You

1141
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,079
can only add so much detail to each granule. Would

1142
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,599
never look on that, No, it would look terrible.

1143
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 4: But you also have to do so much extra work

1144
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:58,199
for clarity that you're actually gonna be manipulating the film.

1145
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,960
So it's no longer the film than it was it's

1146
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,360
not going to look like it used to. And that's

1147
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,360
something that anybody working in archiving and preservation knows, so

1148
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,920
they know that four K is great if you're working

1149
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,920
with like a camera negative, fantastic rare. It is for

1150
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,360
a lot of these films to have a fucking camera

1151
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,840
negative very rare. So you know that's why even on

1152
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,719
like the Melicini stuff, Like when Stiff Competition came out

1153
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,599
on four K, I was like, the original camera negative

1154
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:27,119
to Stiff fucking Competition, And then I was a little

1155
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,239
hesitant about it because I got sex World on four K,

1156
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,119
and I was like, does this really make a difference?

1157
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,559
Let me tell you makes makes a difference. Sex World

1158
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:37,960
looks absolutely astonishing on four K. But that's the exception

1159
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,280
to the rule. I think blu ray is definitely going

1160
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,000
to still be like the industry standard for a long time, because,

1161
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:48,760
especially when you're dealing with boutique labels and older titles,

1162
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,400
any kind of technological advancements are not going to be

1163
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,679
as forgiving to older technologies and older film elements and

1164
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,800
older video formats. So I think blu ray is definitely

1165
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:03,079
to stay, and I think, not speaking for any of

1166
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:05,719
the Guccica label people because you know, they talk about

1167
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:07,719
it all the time on their own, but I think

1168
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,760
they would say that too. It's like, no, we're never

1169
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,760
gonna not do Blu ray. I mean because you know,

1170
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,000
we can't. We can't afford to do only four K.

1171
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:19,440
Even Screen Factory and Keino like they put stuff out

1172
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,679
on four K, but they also still put stuff out

1173
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:23,800
on Blu ray because they have to.

1174
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 6: Arrow.

1175
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: I think Arrow seems to have taken a stance where

1176
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,360
they're putting out stuff on four K and Blu Ray.

1177
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:32,719
There aren't that many titles they're doing just Blu Ray

1178
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,000
on some of the box sets. They are, but if

1179
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:37,960
it's an individual title, usually because they're dealing with studios

1180
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:40,079
so they can they have the stuff to do for

1181
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:42,800
four K. But like the v horror stuff they put out,

1182
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,480
you can't put that out on four K. No Shoscope.

1183
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:47,719
I don't think it would be worth the money to

1184
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,280
do show stuff on four K. Not everything. You can't

1185
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,280
put Oiley Maniac on four K. Five. You know, five

1186
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,000
Fingers of Death, that's a major title. Sure, maybe four

1187
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,960
K if you have the camera negative or something really nice.

1188
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: But well, outside of like elements, what do you see

1189
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:08,079
as you know, the future of boutique labels anything, any

1190
01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:12,119
thoughts there, you mean in terms of like what they release,

1191
01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:15,920
you know, for example, I was, you know, just kind

1192
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,440
of brainstorming with our two in the Pinko friends about

1193
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,079
you know, they've been they've been going through a lot

1194
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:25,480
of these nineties pink films, you know, stuff like that

1195
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:29,280
maybe doesn't even need a Blu Ray, but that's the

1196
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,280
format we're using. So you know, I was just thinking

1197
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,880
about super discount versions of a Blu ray. You know,

1198
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,960
you were like, well, forty five to one hour film,

1199
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:42,800
you can't put that out alone. But my mindset is like,

1200
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,320
well maybe you can if the price is right.

1201
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 4: So yes, I agree with that. I think if you're

1202
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,119
going to put out like a sixty like first, I

1203
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:52,280
think the Roman pornos are actually a very good example

1204
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,199
because those things never are longer than like seventy five

1205
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,920
minutes max. They don't last longer than that. Some of

1206
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,920
them are only sixty five minutes. So when they were

1207
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,719
coming out on DVD from like Impulse, sure the DVD

1208
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,360
twenty bucks for an hour whatever Blu rays, you're gonna

1209
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,760
have to put out a Blu ray at twenty dollars.

1210
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,079
If it's going to be an hour, you know, you

1211
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,800
can't have it be twenty five thirty dollars even with

1212
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,519
a slipcover. Can't be that much.

1213
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know the manufacturing, but like, I

1214
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,960
don't know. In my mind, it's like I feel like

1215
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:28,320
there's a there's a market for under twenty dollars releases.

1216
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 4: So I don't know those exists, but I think I

1217
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,960
think the issue with that is, I mean, it's something

1218
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:36,599
that a lot of has happened in a lot of

1219
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:40,880
stages of home video releases, where the idea that something

1220
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:44,079
is affordable means that it's lower quality.

1221
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: Like I know, if you're paying, that's the hurdle we

1222
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,280
have to get past.

1223
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 4: Yes, And I feel like DVD definitely had that issue.

1224
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,519
I think Blu Ray had that issue. Bluey still has

1225
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:54,480
that issue where if you're getting something for twenty bucks,

1226
01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:55,719
you're going to like, oh, this is probably like a

1227
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,199
DVDR or Blu Ray of BDR, it's not even a

1228
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:01,400
real Blu Ray, or it's like from a tape master

1229
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:04,000
or something. But so I think that's the hur we

1230
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:06,199
have to go to go through. A lot of these

1231
01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:08,199
companies may have to go through where it's kind of like, well,

1232
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:11,360
just because this is affordably priced doesn't mean that it's

1233
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,559
like rock bottom quality. We're still putting effort into it

1234
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:16,000
and it's going to be high quality.

1235
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:18,639
Speaker 2: But it's like the people that are bitching about like

1236
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,880
fifty dollars, you know, Vinegar Syndrome releases, they should embrace

1237
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:27,639
this concept of like, hey, well want it cheaper, then

1238
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,400
here's here's like a no frills like we've been talking

1239
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,840
like eclipse versions of films.

1240
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,079
Speaker 4: Yes, well, something else that I was thinking of in

1241
01:03:36,199 --> 01:03:40,400
terms of formally is well, something else that people don't

1242
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,079
really necessarily think about is that there are titles that

1243
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:45,519
continue to be shot on film, like into the nineties,

1244
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,519
they were edited on video, so they don't have negatives anymore.

1245
01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:55,119
They have a master tape, so they can't do Vinegar

1246
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,519
Syndrome for example, would never touch them. They don't do

1247
01:03:57,679 --> 01:04:02,440
video restorations. I say, video Is does video stuff, but

1248
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:05,440
the Innegra Center doesn't, isn't. That's that's one of their

1249
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,199
partner labels. They don't have the technology to do video restoration,

1250
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,360
which sucks because that video is much more difficult to

1251
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,360
restore than film. I'll just say that because the different formats,

1252
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,119
you know, the way it deteriorates faster than film. So

1253
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,760
stuff that's shot on video or available on video only

1254
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:26,519
really needs to be prioritized in terms of restoration, and

1255
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:31,239
that's not happening, which is frustrating. I'll note that. But yeah,

1256
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,800
So for example, like the tab for the Taboo films,

1257
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,199
for example, the last one that was shot and edited

1258
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:42,360
on film was Taboo four with Ginger Land and Karen Summer.

1259
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:45,159
All the ones after that were shot on film, they

1260
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:48,840
were edited on video, so they can't restore those. All

1261
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,079
they have is a video master that they could put

1262
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:54,679
that on Blu Ray if they want, but that's they

1263
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,920
can't do any kind of restoration on it because they

1264
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,880
don't have that background in video, you know what I mean.

1265
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:01,159
And that's it's not just adult films that are like that.

1266
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:03,760
There are other films in the video market, like the

1267
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,840
Vinigerson Archive stuff, a lot of that stuff. They're lucky

1268
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,599
that they have negatives of some of those things because

1269
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:10,360
a lot of them were made for the video market,

1270
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,440
So why would they ever edit them on film. They

1271
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,719
would edit them on video because they would that's much

1272
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,159
more affordable. So yeah, there's just different like tech technical

1273
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,079
stuff that I think means that Blu Ray will stay around, you.

1274
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:26,239
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, in a nutshell.

1275
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:26,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1276
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: I just feel like the future maybe there is room

1277
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:33,039
for some kind of budget line. I feel like with

1278
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,079
with prices skyrocketing on some of these releases, and I mean,

1279
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,639
people bitch about it, but they're probably still buying it.

1280
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 4: But there's else people got it into consideration. Well, we've

1281
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:49,400
also talked about this licensing fees they have that pricing it.

1282
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:51,719
There's there's a lot that I'm sure this has talked

1283
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,719
about on like disconnecting other stuff. There's so much that

1284
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:56,119
needs to be taken into consideration for that pricing. You're

1285
01:05:56,159 --> 01:06:02,440
talking license fees, you're talking Union does so, SAG DGA,

1286
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,719
w g A from major titles like these Warner Brother titles, Garbage,

1287
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:11,719
Peel Kids, all this stuff, frustration work, ck, people doing extras,

1288
01:06:12,199 --> 01:06:15,960
the artists that they pay to, the slipcovers, they have

1289
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,800
books sometimes that they put in their printing. Yeah, there's

1290
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,679
all sorts of different things that come into it. It's

1291
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,840
not as simple as it used to be. So I

1292
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,239
think that's where our discussions is something simple where it's

1293
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,639
like it's a case, it's the cover, it's the disc out,

1294
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:33,039
the door, twenty bucks.

1295
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:39,719
Speaker 3: I endorse this, Yeah, I mean I feel that needs

1296
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,519
to happen for us to see you want to see.

1297
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 4: So yes. And also if you're dealing with a major studio,

1298
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,599
with not even a major studio, just if you have

1299
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:51,199
a like Carmen Novac major library, if you do a

1300
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,000
package deal where you're getting discounted all those movies at

1301
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,239
a discount because you're doing it as a as a package,

1302
01:06:57,639 --> 01:07:00,599
then it makes it easier for you to high pathetically

1303
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:05,559
sell those at a cheaper price. Potentially something like a

1304
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:07,920
beautiful something like I'm Beautiful and the Bloody and the Bear.

1305
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,880
You throw that into a package because no one wants

1306
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,960
that on its own. Then you can afford to put

1307
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,320
it as a bonus on something because you have like

1308
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,360
a bigger title that you got for the same price

1309
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:19,440
or something. Yeah, it's a big old mess, the boutique

1310
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,440
label world. I used to want to be much more

1311
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,039
involved with it than I am. And I'm just like

1312
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,880
your eyes. I don't want to have an I don't

1313
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,400
want to have an ulcer like you know. I have

1314
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:35,559
my own mental health issues that I'm able to step

1315
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:38,199
in and step out as I like, Like, if I

1316
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,440
was more involved with that, I have to work on

1317
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:41,000
a lot of releases and shit that I would never

1318
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:42,639
want to And I have to do a lot of

1319
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,400
bullshitting and do a lot of commentaries and things where

1320
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,239
it's just me filling the equivalent of filling out word

1321
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:49,480
count for a college essay.

1322
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you were on the way that, if you

1323
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,599
were like, and you know.

1324
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:56,039
Speaker 4: Who I'm talking about, there are people that do those commentaries,

1325
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:58,320
and you can tell it's like, well, you know, I'm

1326
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:01,639
contracted to so many count materary is a year. I'll

1327
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,280
just I'll just keep talking and then say what I

1328
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,559
need to say. Yeah, and a lot of words salad.

1329
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:09,559
And I'm like, I'm not learning anything from this. So

1330
01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:12,159
is the is the value? Where's the value in this?

1331
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:17,079
So work the money? Does this contribute to the raised price?

1332
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's also the thing. If the raised price

1333
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,920
is because of a really bogus commentary.

1334
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:29,239
Speaker 4: Yes, like a patent Oswald commentary. Yeah, we didn't fucking

1335
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:34,279
need you don't have to. I will. I'll throw myself

1336
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:35,279
on this sord every time.

1337
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think I've ever heard of pat

1338
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:40,439
I know he's done like kind of intros and stuff

1339
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:41,199
for like some critic.

1340
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 4: He did a commentary for like Undertaker and his Panels

1341
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,159
or something. Oh yeah, one of the act for things.

1342
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:47,880
And I'm just like, why are you here? Why?

1343
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 3: Okay, why are you here?

1344
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 2: It's one of his favorites.

1345
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,399
Speaker 4: They thought that it would sell copies of the movie

1346
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:55,800
because it's Patton Oswald. I think they'll overestimate how popular

1347
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,239
Patent Oswald is. I got to listen to that now,

1348
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:02,800
know you don't know you'll learn nothing from it? Or

1349
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:03,800
why just get these.

1350
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 3: People talking for like ten minutes. We don't need a

1351
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,840
whole commentary like someone who actually.

1352
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 4: Could we not get someone who actually worked on the movie?

1353
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,239
Maybe and people say, well, no one's around. Did you look?

1354
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,960
Did you look? Because we talked about on this podcast

1355
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:23,800
somebody is alive, and somebody is alive in every movie

1356
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,239
we've talked about that. That is that you know that

1357
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,279
we could contact so crazy?

1358
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 2: Hey, look forward to our commentaries coming up in the

1359
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,800
next few months, right, Casey.

1360
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot more. There are a lot more.

1361
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:41,520
They're not as angry as this. There are a lot

1362
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,800
more structure than our episodes I'll put it that way.

1363
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying that, Yeah, if we can suggest

1364
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,079
other people that are more experts in some of these films,

1365
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,760
we always try to do that, but I always no

1366
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:55,640
one else can do it.

1367
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,600
Speaker 4: Then well I was literally I literally just suggested several

1368
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,079
different people for different projects because people come to me

1369
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:04,000
and say like, do you want to do this? I'm like,

1370
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,600
I am not the right person for this. This is

1371
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,800
who should do this. So that was adult version of

1372
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,239
Jacqueline Hyde and Ronic Bunches Zoro. I was asked a

1373
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:15,399
contribute to that, and I was like, I am I'm

1374
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,720
not the person for these. Here you go. Yeah.

1375
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:22,399
Speaker 2: But they ended up not doing any commentaries except for

1376
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:23,840
the archivals for that right.

1377
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 4: No, but they got all those They wanted me to

1378
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,640
write something and I said, nope, these all these other

1379
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:28,399
writers can.

1380
01:10:28,359 --> 01:10:29,319
Speaker 3: Do oh yeah, and so they did.

1381
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: Well here's a random one. Do we plan on covering

1382
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,079
any of the hardcore films from Bucky Beaver Dragon Art

1383
01:10:57,239 --> 01:11:01,600
hardcore horror series from some of the lesser known or

1384
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,439
unknown directors. I mean, let me just say, if it's

1385
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:10,199
an unknown director, it's harder to talk about because there's

1386
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:13,520
not a lot we can research. But no, I mean

1387
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,920
I think when we started we kind of set out

1388
01:11:16,119 --> 01:11:19,520
to not cover hardcore films. What do you but I

1389
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,800
mean I think there is a niche if it's a

1390
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,600
unique or niche release, Yeah, I mean I'm open to it.

1391
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,439
What do you think, Casey, I think if we're discussing,

1392
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,600
I'm not super familiar with that Bucky Beaver, what's out?

1393
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 4: What is a van? I have all of them in

1394
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,760
one way or the other. Actually, most of them are

1395
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,960
ship so I've seen them, rated them, written about them

1396
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,439
from my book, and then threw them away.

1397
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 2: Alex, have you seen any of these? Have you seen

1398
01:11:46,199 --> 01:11:46,640
this stuff?

1399
01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:50,079
Speaker 3: I've seen like a small handful.

1400
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's yeah, not a ton.

1401
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:58,199
Speaker 3: Some good ones, but normally just the ones that have

1402
01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:01,359
a weird plot, like like The Geek and Come Dead

1403
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,560
Lad and any of those that might have some sort

1404
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,399
of any satanic one probably seen it, but that's about it, like.

1405
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,079
Speaker 4: Possession in San Francisco and Hell Madigan. I really like

1406
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,199
there are some good ones. The issue is, though, and

1407
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:20,560
I think Lisa talked about this, is that sometimes, for example,

1408
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:23,439
we won't cover either of these. There is a movie

1409
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,720
called Linda Can't Stop, which is in nineteen seventy three

1410
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,760
Seawan Costello movie shot in New York. Well, there's also

1411
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,960
a film print that was found that said it was

1412
01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:35,439
called Linda Can't Stop. It's a West Coast movie. It's

1413
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:37,640
not called Linda Can't Stop. Well, we don't know what

1414
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,520
that is. So that's so that's kind of what we're

1415
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,760
running into, where it's like titles don't necessarily match the movies,

1416
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:47,840
or like there's a movie called SF Wingbangers, where I

1417
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,960
think that may have been a title that either Mike

1418
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:51,640
made up or was on the print, but it's really

1419
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,000
called The School Teachers. It's much more boring. So there

1420
01:12:55,039 --> 01:12:57,359
are some good ones in there, but I think the

1421
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,279
only way we would ever discuss them is if we're

1422
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:02,720
talking about somebody like a Renee Bond or a Sandy Carey,

1423
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,560
if we're going to talk about movies that we would

1424
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,119
recommend people see, or like a Sandy Dempsey where it's like, well,

1425
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,920
they're good in this, but you should also maybe go

1426
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,199
see this if you want to see them in a

1427
01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:15,680
hardcore film, here's an example or something like that. I

1428
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,079
think I think going in depth into them is not

1429
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:21,479
only difficult, but it also kind of isn't like the

1430
01:13:22,079 --> 01:13:24,800
it's not really the purpose of what we're doing here

1431
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,560
where we're trying to stick to soft because there are

1432
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,479
definitely others who I continually hint at on this podcast

1433
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:38,039
who are already doing that, so but they're they're not

1434
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:38,720
doing it either.

1435
01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, but they're not doing like this, Yeah, the

1436
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,359
Bucky Beaver type stuff. No.

1437
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,399
Speaker 4: But you know, in terms of production to be tough

1438
01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:49,359
to do that. But even in terms of distribution, it'd

1439
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:51,439
be tough too, because a lot of those weekend wonders,

1440
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,079
most of them are weak in wonders. They have no credits,

1441
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:57,079
they have no paper trail because they were shown in

1442
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,439
like cheap theaters and wasn't advertising papers.

1443
01:14:01,119 --> 01:14:03,560
Speaker 3: It was just yeah, it was distributed via the trunk

1444
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:09,000
of someone's car, yes, right right, And that's the yeah, folks.

1445
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:11,399
That's also the problem the title, like these prints were

1446
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,600
so used people out there, like these sixteens in particular,

1447
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:18,159
is that so many of the credits are missing just

1448
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:22,479
from damage and just from them being used and used

1449
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,960
and used that the credits are a lot of these

1450
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,079
prints are are just gone hm because of projection and

1451
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:32,119
things like that, and they didn't get press materials there's

1452
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:35,000
no press books. There's no like hardly I'm trying to

1453
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,800
think a soret front one sheet for something I.

1454
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,039
Speaker 4: And that's even like even Lisa had to like a

1455
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:46,479
lot of those things are like screenshots.

1456
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 3: Newspaper ads and newspaper ads guys for these theaters was

1457
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,680
normally like a tiny little one in square that says

1458
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:58,119
like blank, adult theater, twenty for hours, nothing interesting, like

1459
01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:00,399
just this is what we are and this is how

1460
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:01,199
long we're open.

1461
01:15:01,079 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 4: For, right, I think actually I would recommend if you

1462
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,479
want to know not about specifics in Bucky Beaver, but

1463
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,720
if you can get a hold of it. Eric Schaefer

1464
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,640
did a really terrific article on the beginning of the

1465
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:20,039
sixteen millimeters pornographic industry, and that ties into another question

1466
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:23,760
that we have about Cosmo's films, because that was kind

1467
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,680
of the beginning of that. So if you can get

1468
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,119
a copy of it, I forget what the article is called.

1469
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:30,800
It's not Smutty Little Pictures. That's my friend Peter Ala

1470
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,479
Luna's book, I believe. But Eric Schaeffer wrote a really

1471
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,359
good article that's very comprehensive about sixteen millimeter adult film,

1472
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,840
hardcore film production and the beginnings, and that I think

1473
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,880
would give you a greater idea of how much limited

1474
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:49,399
information there is. But he was able to kind of

1475
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,399
still build that history, and he obviously, because it's an

1476
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,720
academic piece, a lot of work cited that you can

1477
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,159
then bounce off of that and research more into that.

1478
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,560
It's just tough for us to focus on like one

1479
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,960
movie or even a group of movies, because what we

1480
01:16:07,159 --> 01:16:09,079
like to do is give you know, we like to

1481
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:10,720
do background on the people who made them, and if

1482
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,760
we don't know who made them, it's much more difficult

1483
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,079
to talk about. So I think a more broad overview

1484
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,840
through that Eric Shafer piece would be the way that

1485
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,760
I would point somebody to research those bucket beaver things.

1486
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is it fair I kind of lump

1487
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:32,319
these in with like stag films. Is that a fair assessment? No? Well,

1488
01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:34,560
what I'm trying to say is that these films are

1489
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:38,600
hard to research and write about in this in the

1490
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,039
same way that stag films are in that. Yeah, there's

1491
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:45,680
not a lot of information and even the information is incorrect.

1492
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,119
Speaker 4: And that's true, yes, yeah, yeah.

1493
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 2: Like yeah, there's Dave Thompson wrote this book called Black

1494
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,560
and White and Blue which is about yag films, and

1495
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,800
even to my friend like, yeah, in his like forward,

1496
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,359
he's like, this was a hard book to write. Nobody

1497
01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:05,439
else's writing books like this for a reason. Yeah, because

1498
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:10,279
it's nearly impossible to you know, give qualify quantitative and

1499
01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:12,640
qualitative like data on this stuff.

1500
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 4: Well, there's been an improvement on that book, even because

1501
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,560
my friend Dan Urban who I went to n YU with,

1502
01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:21,720
he wrote a book on loops and stag reels a

1503
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,159
couple of years ago and that actually was sold. It

1504
01:17:24,279 --> 01:17:27,039
sold through the Meliciny shop and he thanks me and

1505
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:31,239
the acknowledgments, which is very nice. But because yeah, he

1506
01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:33,560
and I were kind of the guys who were interested

1507
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,800
in porn at NYU, and he went to the me apport,

1508
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,960
which is moving image of archiving and preservation. So he

1509
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:41,479
really is into like getting his hands dirty with these

1510
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,880
films and stuff. So yeah, that's but stag reels are

1511
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,520
that they're similar in that way, but in terms of

1512
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:52,319
no production distribution very different. Yeah, and exhibition very different.

1513
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,159
Speaker 2: Well, let's you know, on the topic of like SWV

1514
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,159
and their Bucky Beaver, you know, flipping those over to

1515
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,319
the back, sometimes you'll see little blurbs and they're written

1516
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:09,119
by names that are not you know, sometimes Lisa writes them,

1517
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:11,920
but there are others like Betsy Berger.

1518
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:13,319
Speaker 4: Have you seen that name?

1519
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 2: I've seen that a few times. Like who are some

1520
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,600
of these people that were That was a question that

1521
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:17,960
came in.

1522
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, at least with the case of Betsy Berger,

1523
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,000
some of these people were like doing research and coming

1524
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:27,800
out with like zines and stuff way back in like

1525
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,560
the nineties when Something Weird was just starting. So Betsy

1526
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:38,239
Berger had a two issue zine called high Ball that

1527
01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:41,359
came out and this one came out ninety two. The

1528
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,520
other one came out I think a year later. And

1529
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,000
this is one of the very first, you know, publications

1530
01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:53,199
pretty much entirely almost entirely focused on sexploitation, which some

1531
01:18:53,399 --> 01:18:58,359
light exploitation adjacent. And I don't know who Betsy actually is. Yeah,

1532
01:18:58,399 --> 01:19:01,119
I don't know who Betsy actually is. Like this for

1533
01:19:01,239 --> 01:19:04,680
the early nineties. This has in depth discussions with Dave Friedman,

1534
01:19:05,239 --> 01:19:09,159
Barry Mayhon, Ted Michaels about his first sex film, a

1535
01:19:09,359 --> 01:19:12,640
very rare Lea Frost interview from the sixties, and things

1536
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,439
like that. And this also has early reviews on early

1537
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:21,079
Something Weird releases ads and stuff. So yeah, Betsy Berger

1538
01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:24,960
was pretty much doing the work before, like Charles Kilgore

1539
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:28,359
was just starting out with Echo around this point. Even

1540
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,720
he that far so then yeah, Charles Kilgore then did

1541
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,600
liners as well. Some of the other names I do not.

1542
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:41,159
Speaker 4: Ellens was another one I think, and was he was

1543
01:19:41,239 --> 01:19:43,960
he Screwball magazine or screw magazine.

1544
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you remember. Betsy Burger is the most

1545
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:51,239
because I love the actual person, right, Yes, Betsy Berger

1546
01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:51,640
is real.

1547
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 2: The question where it's like how do these people become associated?

1548
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,520
I think it's the same thing that happens today where

1549
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,479
it's like, whoever is interested in these films, we're gonna

1550
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,640
have them write about it, which is and these people

1551
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,439
were currently writing about them.

1552
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,239
Speaker 4: Well, I contacted Something Weird asking to do liner notes

1553
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:11,760
because I said, I was after I've been reviewing stuff

1554
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,199
for DDE Drive And I said, so, I've seen a

1555
01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:17,000
lot of other people write Robin Boujie, who I'm friends with,

1556
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:18,680
and a lot of other people like I've seen them

1557
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,239
do liners. Are there any titles that I could do

1558
01:20:21,359 --> 01:20:23,159
liners for just because I'd like to be part of

1559
01:20:23,279 --> 01:20:25,279
something weird family or whatever? And they threw me the

1560
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:28,239
District Pick stuff. They said, we're reissuing the District Pick

1561
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:30,960
stuff when we need new box copy. So I wrote

1562
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,399
box copy for I think eight to ten titles I believe.

1563
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,800
So yeah, Sometimes it's just people who are fans, who

1564
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,640
are writers, who are like, well, here's some of my work,

1565
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,000
and I love you guys, let's do this. The big

1566
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:48,840
mystery I think was, uh, well, there's a guy named

1567
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,239
mister Pinky. I'm trying to remember who that was. And

1568
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:53,119
then there was another one named Don the dv It.

1569
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,800
And I don't remember exactly who Don the dv It is,

1570
01:20:57,159 --> 01:21:00,239
but I think Lisa told me a while to go

1571
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,760
and she knows who it is. I don't know if

1572
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,560
the I don't know if we're all still sworn to

1573
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,000
secrecy on this. I don't remember who exactly it is.

1574
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:12,520
But there are some people that are writing under pseudonyms,

1575
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,880
for sure. Some of them are not real, some of

1576
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,640
their publications are not real. They're doing it just because

1577
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,640
they were asked. And I think someone had said, well,

1578
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,640
is Don the DV at Frank canelatter? And it's like,

1579
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,880
well no, because Don the dv Review's a lot of hardcore.

1580
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,560
Frank didn't really give a shit about hardcore, so I

1581
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,239
forget who don the dvit was. But essentially there are

1582
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:34,960
a mix of real people and fake names for real

1583
01:21:35,039 --> 01:21:38,560
people who are also writers. So it's possible Betsy Berger

1584
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,039
and Elliott James also did reviews as like mister Pinky

1585
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:44,600
or mister Purr or all these other different names and stuff.

1586
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,159
I think I'm trying to remember who else did some things.

1587
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,159
Speaker 2: But at least Betsy, like I mean, Alex has.

1588
01:21:53,279 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 4: Published legitimate magazine person, yes, but Elliott Jabers I think

1589
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:58,760
might have been real.

1590
01:21:59,319 --> 01:22:02,239
Speaker 3: I would love Oh, Like, I don't know where Betsy

1591
01:22:02,319 --> 01:22:03,479
is now, That's what I'm curious about.

1592
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:04,199
Speaker 1: I do not know.

1593
01:22:05,279 --> 01:22:08,119
Speaker 4: At least some people are now very good about staying

1594
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:10,720
in touch with people. Yeah, so might know.

1595
01:22:11,279 --> 01:22:14,319
Speaker 2: I have to ask Lisa again. I know, I know

1596
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,520
how many issues were there of Highball Alex.

1597
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 3: Do you know at least too?

1598
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1599
01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm just curious if Betsy has more in

1600
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,880
the archive. That's why. Yeah, was there a third that

1601
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:26,680
never came out?

1602
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1603
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 4: Now I'm really sure that.

1604
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's some good stuff. I NEAs scanned

1605
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,560
some of this stuff. Actually, I think I have for

1606
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,279
you guys, some of the stuff. But yeah, one of

1607
01:22:37,319 --> 01:22:38,760
the few Berry Mayhun interviews.

1608
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,279
Speaker 4: I think you scanned the Freedman one because we wanted

1609
01:22:42,319 --> 01:22:44,319
to make said about Ram Roder and you sent me

1610
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,920
something that he said about Ram rod that was it,

1611
01:22:47,359 --> 01:22:50,840
which was super duper helpful. And I'm sure he talked

1612
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,119
about brit Dollhouse and Sweet Sickness in there too.

1613
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:57,359
Speaker 3: I think everything in there Sweet Sickness, Yes, almost everything

1614
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,399
in here, almost everything he has a blurb for.

1615
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 4: That's good. I love Freedman. We already had our Freedman

1616
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,000
love in but yeah, I love and miss Dave.

1617
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,319
Speaker 3: We'll continue. We got his films to actually talk about.

1618
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,840
I haven't actually talked about one yet.

1619
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,119
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, well that's true Ram Rodgers sort of. It

1620
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:15,760
was a pick up.

1621
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well here's let's go with this one. So

1622
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:25,319
will there be an episode on Gordon Heller or Freelove Confidential?

1623
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,199
Speaker 4: I would love it? Yeah, I love Free Love Confidential.

1624
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,399
I when I revisited that on my Novak rewatch, I

1625
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,199
was like, Wow, I forgot how really incredible this is.

1626
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,520
It hits all the sex the spots from me and

1627
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,720
I don't know where the one where that Gordon Heller

1628
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,319
is William Rosler came from. I can say unequivocally that

1629
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,800
is not William Rosler. That is not a William Rosller movie.

1630
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,439
First of all, he's not in it, and Rochester liked

1631
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,399
to be in his own ship even in the cameos.

1632
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,119
Second of all, he was already established as William Rotsler

1633
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,640
or Shannon Carse, so he didn't do Freelove Confidential. But

1634
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,079
I love it so much. You have these two friends,

1635
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:09,119
including this one with a French accent, out there trying

1636
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:12,039
to have fun and getting blackmailed with nudie pictures while

1637
01:24:12,079 --> 01:24:14,880
they're doing drugs with a photographer. You have a butch

1638
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,560
lesbian in leather. You have go go dancing, you have

1639
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,640
breaking into a bank. It's like, it is so it

1640
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,880
is really incredible. It is so incredible. Speaking of another

1641
01:24:25,079 --> 01:24:27,720
something weird, I want to upgrade for Free Love Confidential,

1642
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,520
which not enough people talk about.

1643
01:24:30,079 --> 01:24:34,239
Speaker 2: So good. Yeah, I think that Rotzler confusion came in

1644
01:24:34,399 --> 01:24:37,399
because I think Free Love was written by the same

1645
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,199
guy who wrote some of Rozler's.

1646
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,560
Speaker 4: Yes, that's probably why. So they think that that's the connection.

1647
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,960
But it's like, but yeah, sure, but that doesn't mean

1648
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:45,880
they're the same person.

1649
01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.

1650
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 4: Forget who shot it too. I mean they're oh, you

1651
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:51,680
know who else? I think Ed de Priest worked on it.

1652
01:24:52,119 --> 01:24:55,119
So when I reviewed it on Letterbox, I think I dropped.

1653
01:24:55,319 --> 01:24:57,039
I noticed that two people who worked on that are

1654
01:24:57,039 --> 01:24:59,960
still around. I was like, ask them who, Gordon, how

1655
01:25:00,359 --> 01:25:01,279
don't assume it's rots?

1656
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 6: You know?

1657
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:06,079
Speaker 2: It also looks kind of like a Rosler film.

1658
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,199
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it's a black and white movie

1659
01:25:09,239 --> 01:25:11,079
shot in California. They're all going to look like a

1660
01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:13,880
Rossler movie. Like there's only there's a certain look to

1661
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,680
black and white California films. Just there's a certain look

1662
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,880
to black and white New York films. It's like even

1663
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,359
thematically it's sort of similar to a Rosler movie. But

1664
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,720
it's like that's like all the Peter Woodcox looking like

1665
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,560
a Bird of Filly movies. So I made that stupid

1666
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,560
mistake and that wasn't true. So yeah, yeah, we'll talk

1667
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,359
about to follow the trails, gotta follow the trails.

1668
01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we'll do a free love at some

1669
01:25:37,039 --> 01:25:37,640
point for sure.

1670
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:38,279
Speaker 1: I love.

1671
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that, you know, we personally, I like

1672
01:25:42,039 --> 01:25:45,119
put it on my mental back burner because we did

1673
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:49,680
cover Rothsler when we covered it. I watched that because

1674
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,560
I had heard something really from other people that it

1675
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,760
was a Rottler. So we'll loop back to it and

1676
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,920
we will talk more about how it is not a

1677
01:25:58,960 --> 01:25:59,840
William Roziller film.

1678
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:03,319
Speaker 4: No, it's so great. I mean it's it's it's stylish,

1679
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,239
it's funny.

1680
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 3: I watch this, damn. Oh, I know I have seen it.

1681
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:09,319
I watched it.

1682
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 4: I remember that. I was like, this is really good

1683
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,399
when I reviewed it for DVD driving and then I

1684
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,680
rewatched it and it was so much better than I remembered.

1685
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,560
It was like, why did I kind of just shrug

1686
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,239
this off like it's it's like a top I think

1687
01:26:22,279 --> 01:26:25,479
it's a top ten Novak for me actually for Confidential.

1688
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I loved it so much. Yeah, yeah, I really look.

1689
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: On my review, I was like, where has this been hiding? Yeah,

1690
01:26:34,039 --> 01:26:37,479
it was kind of came out of nowhere, like, hey,

1691
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:42,119
this is really funny and well done, and yeah, who.

1692
01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 3: The hell is this guy?

1693
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: I know?

1694
01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 4: And it's paired with a total piece of shit for

1695
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:53,000
single swingers only, which is gone off. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

1696
01:26:53,079 --> 01:26:54,880
I was like, shouldn't have been paired with another black

1697
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,920
and white? It should have been paired with help Wanted Female.

1698
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:03,039
Honestly very similar Vie So that movie. Yeah, another California

1699
01:27:03,079 --> 01:27:05,039
Black and whitey that was really good.

1700
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:07,319
Speaker 3: Okay, I wonder who asked that question.

1701
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:10,119
Speaker 4: I wonder who asked that question.

1702
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,119
Speaker 3: Some of these are really interesting.

1703
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 2: I think it was I think it was the other Alex.

1704
01:27:15,079 --> 01:27:15,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1705
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,560
Speaker 2: If I remember, if you haven't seen that.

1706
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,279
Speaker 4: Movie, don't sleep on it. Don't wait till we do

1707
01:27:20,319 --> 01:27:24,600
an episode on it. Watch it immediately. I'm not even kidding. Okay, good.

1708
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,359
I don't know why he hasn't seen it. Anyone else

1709
01:27:27,359 --> 01:27:30,680
who hasn't seen it. Make it vaulted to the top

1710
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,520
of your watch list. I'm telling you, it's really good. Yeah.

1711
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 3: Well, say, is there another sexploitation that's as misadventure comedy?

1712
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 4: Is that one from the sixties?

1713
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 2: Hmm?

1714
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 3: I can't think of it like that.

1715
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:46,239
Speaker 4: Like a misadvent like a Steve an Apostle off. One

1716
01:27:46,399 --> 01:27:47,199
kind of has a lot.

1717
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 3: Of that's true, like Mistake.

1718
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:52,159
Speaker 4: Company.

1719
01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:55,039
Speaker 3: I was like going on a weird, like little misadventure

1720
01:27:55,079 --> 01:27:56,640
kind of thing. It's it feels a lot more like

1721
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,560
anything but my Husband rather than anything else that was

1722
01:27:59,600 --> 01:27:59,880
going on.

1723
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 4: Yes, it is anyone, but yes, it is very classic

1724
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,760
screwball comedy. It's kind of like, oh, what is it

1725
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:11,159
Glenda Farrell? Now, who's the woman who died? Thelma Todd

1726
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:16,199
and what's her face? The lesbian who I love? Yeah,

1727
01:28:16,199 --> 01:28:18,039
they had like a bunch of a bunch of comedies

1728
01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:20,239
in the thirties where it was the two galpals running around.

1729
01:28:21,079 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 3: I can't think of another one. That's why.

1730
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:27,319
Speaker 4: Thelmatod and Patsy Kelly comedies. It's this exploitation version of

1731
01:28:27,359 --> 01:28:29,520
a Thelmatad Patsy Kelly comedy.

1732
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 3: Would have taken more.

1733
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, surely over selling it, but it is really good.

1734
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,680
It's such a beautiful surprise considering if you go in

1735
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,920
thinking a free love confidential, this could be anything. It

1736
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:43,640
It really goes in so many different directions. It's great.

1737
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 2: Two young wives looking for excitement and a new kind

1738
01:28:48,840 --> 01:29:02,000
of love, a free love. Well, on that note, I

1739
01:29:02,079 --> 01:29:03,800
mean this is a pretty broad I don't know, maybe

1740
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:08,199
we've covered this. What is your favorite something weird video release?

1741
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 4: Can?

1742
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: Is that possible to list our favorite cases? Nodding his head,

1743
01:29:13,239 --> 01:29:17,000
toy box towards enough children? Okay, that's it? Yeah.

1744
01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 4: Oh, also, what's the It's ultimate degenerate?

1745
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 3: Oh, lusting hours and.

1746
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 4: In Hot Blood one in Hot Blood, What's the arouse

1747
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:33,039
a Female? What's the Rental Girl? Yeah, a lot of

1748
01:29:33,119 --> 01:29:33,800
triple features.

1749
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 3: The triple features are really good.

1750
01:29:36,199 --> 01:29:38,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't always hit, but when they slap, they

1751
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,079
slap well, like when all the movies are perfect together.

1752
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the Rented Girl one was probably gonna be

1753
01:29:45,239 --> 01:29:49,119
my number one. The Luke camp A triple as well.

1754
01:29:49,159 --> 01:29:50,079
Speaker 4: All three of those are great.

1755
01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 3: That went really hard as well. Yeah.

1756
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:57,199
Speaker 4: Ultimately, honestly's go to Hell another day another man. I

1757
01:29:57,359 --> 01:29:59,399
love that Let's go to the drive in thing. I

1758
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,720
still have some of the worst releases they ever put

1759
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,039
out because they have the drive in feature, which I

1760
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:07,119
just enjoyed. I just skipped through the movie and then

1761
01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:09,840
get to all the rest of the stuff, like Bloodsucker's

1762
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,960
Bloodthirst one of their worst releases ever, but I have

1763
01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:14,479
it because it has the drive in feature.

1764
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 2: So what did you say, Alex?

1765
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 3: Did you poke Rogers? A couple? Just a couple? Because

1766
01:30:20,119 --> 01:30:22,000
now I'm also think about the early sweet Spot ones,

1767
01:30:22,039 --> 01:30:24,840
like one of my first one that is one of

1768
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,560
that's probably my top I never that's a no brainer

1769
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,800
for me. So I'm always skipping Milligan, like like the filers.

1770
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,279
Come of the Earth has a release a soft spot

1771
01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:36,079
for me. That was one of my first ones as

1772
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:42,800
well too, that's my first strangler. Yeah yeah. Rented Girls

1773
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,600
probably my number one because's the one I revisit the most,

1774
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:48,760
and then probably the ultimate Degenerate release. Those are the

1775
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,159
two that I love to pop in.

1776
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know you were such a Rented Girl fan.

1777
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 3: Well the other well not Rented Girl, but like that

1778
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,640
whole release like Aroused help.

1779
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 4: On rent a Girl works really well book ended by

1780
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:04,239
those two. It's the tameness of the three, but it's

1781
01:31:04,399 --> 01:31:07,359
very it fits nicely and it's not like a it's

1782
01:31:07,399 --> 01:31:11,239
not like a vibrations fluctuation submission where you're like, what

1783
01:31:11,359 --> 01:31:12,760
the is this bottom thing?

1784
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? Coaster as well, ye yeah.

1785
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,239
Speaker 4: Also like the nice continuity Yeah, there's a nice continuity

1786
01:31:20,319 --> 01:31:22,880
and sleaziness across the three of those. Yeah.

1787
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,159
Speaker 2: Well, for me, let me give a shout out to

1788
01:31:26,279 --> 01:31:30,039
the The Sea Through double Feature, The Girl from S

1789
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:32,880
I N and Henry's Night In. I do love both

1790
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:39,239
of those, The Invisible Invisible Man and Invisible Woman double feature, Yes, and.

1791
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:43,239
Speaker 4: Passing Hot Hollows. It's in the suburbs swapping how they

1792
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:46,800
make it swapping how that was my first were listening

1793
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,000
every sing That's how I fell in love with Pat mcmaher,

1794
01:31:50,119 --> 01:31:51,079
was swapping how they make it.

1795
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that was my first story as well.

1796
01:31:54,399 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, damn, who is this?

1797
01:31:57,239 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1798
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:58,159
Speaker 4: What else?

1799
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 3: The smell of honey disk was great? Like yes, I

1800
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:04,039
mean that's.

1801
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 4: Think about what we missed when the image thing ended

1802
01:32:08,079 --> 01:32:10,119
and what we still don't really have. We don't have

1803
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:12,960
an equivalent to that. Even with the melic any stuff.

1804
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,399
We don't have a regular They used to come out

1805
01:32:15,399 --> 01:32:16,520
with two to three a month.

1806
01:32:17,159 --> 01:32:19,319
Speaker 3: I was how many of those were there?

1807
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:24,520
Speaker 4: Two to three? That was like, so, I mean you know, yeah, well,

1808
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,439
we'll never have it that good again. I'm sorry, even

1809
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,920
in this beautiful golden age we have right now, we

1810
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,199
will never have it like that again.

1811
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:32,359
Speaker 6: I know.

1812
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think back to like when it ended, like

1813
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,319
two thousand and seven and eight, and just so many

1814
01:32:36,399 --> 01:32:38,359
of the deep cuts we were just talking about that

1815
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,239
could I can picture the discs in my head what

1816
01:32:41,399 --> 01:32:42,760
they could have possibly do, and you.

1817
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 2: Can imagine like what what could pair up well together?

1818
01:32:46,199 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, like just in the District's caw

1819
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:52,039
Log of Love, we could have gotten such so many

1820
01:32:52,119 --> 01:32:53,439
other great double and triples.

1821
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 4: Just for some of those we only got two. You

1822
01:32:56,119 --> 01:32:58,239
only got that one double feature. We didn't get the rest.

1823
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 2: Ye, well, as we yap as we yap on. Here

1824
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,399
here's a question. Would there ever be any interest in

1825
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,720
doing a live podcast where a crowd watches a movie

1826
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,640
and then it is discussed afterwards.

1827
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,279
Speaker 4: Well, so that's I agree. I yes, absolutely, I've said

1828
01:33:15,319 --> 01:33:18,319
I've wanted I've wanted to have us come to New

1829
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:18,920
York and do that.

1830
01:33:21,079 --> 01:33:24,279
Speaker 2: I'm trying to has has anybody done something like that

1831
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,439
where they watch a movie and then have like an

1832
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:31,000
in depth discussion afterwards, not just like a couple of

1833
01:33:31,119 --> 01:33:33,680
quick little questions, but like us sit down and like

1834
01:33:34,279 --> 01:33:35,960
an hour the podcast, Not.

1835
01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:38,159
Speaker 4: That I can think of, like even how how did

1836
01:33:38,199 --> 01:33:40,520
this get made? They don't watch the movies in the theater.

1837
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:42,920
They just you watch it as homework and then you

1838
01:33:43,039 --> 01:33:43,720
go to the theater.

1839
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:46,399
Speaker 2: Because yeah, that's what I'm asking, because yeah, that would

1840
01:33:46,399 --> 01:33:49,119
be an interesting I mean, that's it's asking a lot

1841
01:33:49,159 --> 01:33:53,439
of time from people, I think, you know, to watch.

1842
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,800
But then again, with these movies, it does help that

1843
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,279
they're shorter, so you know, you you go and watch

1844
01:33:58,279 --> 01:34:02,920
an hour long sexploitation film and then you you know,

1845
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,439
and then we would sit down and talk about it

1846
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:06,840
afterwards for another hour.

1847
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,399
Speaker 4: And yeah, you'd also have to choose wisely, because I've

1848
01:34:09,399 --> 01:34:14,880
said this before. Some some movies do not work with audiences.

1849
01:34:15,319 --> 01:34:17,720
They don't if you have to sit there and watch

1850
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,439
certain movies without the benefit of a fast forward button,

1851
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,680
if their sex scenes go on too long, if there's

1852
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,680
less to grab onto out side of the sex, then

1853
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,520
that's tougher. So for you, Love Confidential would be a

1854
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:31,880
great one.

1855
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 2: Actually, that would be a perfect one.

1856
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:36,079
Speaker 4: That would be a perfect one because there's so much

1857
01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:38,199
I mean that I think if you're going to go,

1858
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,000
if we're going to do that, it would have to

1859
01:34:40,039 --> 01:34:43,920
be something like quite bonkers, but also with a fascinating backstory,

1860
01:34:44,039 --> 01:34:47,119
so like Sacked Sacked by the forty, which would be good.

1861
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,119
Actually a few we've done a bunch of ones that

1862
01:34:50,199 --> 01:34:53,600
I think would work well. All American Girl. I'm not

1863
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,199
sure that one's a little tougher. I would love to

1864
01:34:57,239 --> 01:34:58,880
see that with the audience, but I think to have

1865
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,800
a conversation about it after might be a little too uncomfortable.

1866
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 2: Even that, But in that regard, I think it would

1867
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:11,039
be interesting because yeah, if, if, even if the audience

1868
01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:13,439
isn't feeling it, or it's like pushing them a little

1869
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:16,680
bit too much out of their comfort zone, feed that

1870
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,800
into the discussion afterwards, you know, I could make for

1871
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,479
an interesting Q and a or.

1872
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,600
Speaker 4: Talk about the talk about the problematic aspects of that

1873
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:29,920
film and the way that it's both problematic and progressive somehow,

1874
01:35:30,279 --> 01:35:32,039
some mostetically, you know.

1875
01:35:32,359 --> 01:35:35,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, instead of just sitting there stewing like I hate this,

1876
01:35:35,239 --> 01:35:38,039
I'm gonna go home and bitch about it online. Hey,

1877
01:35:38,119 --> 01:35:40,520
we're going to be there, you know, talk to talk

1878
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,600
about it afterwards, so let us know what you think.

1879
01:35:43,359 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 4: I think New York is the place to do that, honestly,

1880
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,079
just because I keep hearing these horror stories about California.

1881
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:49,760
So if we're going to do it, it would have

1882
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:52,960
to be Chicago and New York, I believe, maybe Austin.

1883
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:56,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that would be fun. Yeah, if anybody's

1884
01:35:56,359 --> 01:36:00,239
programming out there and wants to bring us out to talk, yeah,

1885
01:36:00,279 --> 01:36:05,159
we would love that. Maybe Nighthawk in Brooklyn, Yeah, maybe.

1886
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:11,159
Speaker 3: If anyone has some film ideas, miniskirt love, can you

1887
01:36:11,319 --> 01:36:13,680
imagine sucking to me baby.

1888
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:19,119
Speaker 4: On the list first. That one's tougher to get. That

1889
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,920
one's tougher, fool A baby is a little slow.

1890
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:27,239
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it'll be tough, be fun. That's

1891
01:36:27,239 --> 01:36:27,960
a bit dark.

1892
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:31,520
Speaker 4: Aroused works great with an audience. I've seen it. I

1893
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:32,760
know we're great with an audience.

1894
01:36:33,399 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 3: Oh you were in that audience, okay, I was.

1895
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, that worked really great with an audience.

1896
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're down. We're down for it. We

1897
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,199
just you know, need the opportunity to land in our lap.

1898
01:36:46,319 --> 01:36:49,039
Let me kick a question to you, Alex. Okay, this

1899
01:36:49,159 --> 01:36:54,279
one's for you. Okay, talk about the economics of the genre.

1900
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,880
We had a question, you know, for these low budget movies,

1901
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,199
and you know film is film is an expensive medium,

1902
01:37:01,279 --> 01:37:03,239
as they asked, as they mentioned here in their question,

1903
01:37:04,039 --> 01:37:06,119
and these films seem to only have a handful of

1904
01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:09,199
prince made. Question is how much money did the average

1905
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,079
sexploitation movie really make?

1906
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so we do kind of have an idea on

1907
01:37:18,079 --> 01:37:24,199
what the average sexploitation film made thanks to this wonderful

1908
01:37:24,279 --> 01:37:29,920
little book. Da Da Da da For listeners, I'm holding

1909
01:37:30,039 --> 01:37:34,840
up the Technical Report of the Commission on Obscenity and

1910
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:44,399
pornography which was created in the early seventies, because in

1911
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,039
nineteen sixty seven, here I'm going to read out a

1912
01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:50,640
little thing that explains this whole thing, and people, this

1913
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:52,560
is important, This is an important thing to discuss. So

1914
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,319
bearwi me for a hot minute about this little tone.

1915
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,760
In nineteen sixty seven, it was put into law that

1916
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,079
the I'll just read out, the Congress finds that the

1917
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:07,680
traffic and obscenity in pornography is a matter of national concern.

1918
01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:10,720
The problem, however, is not one which can be solved

1919
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,199
at any one level of government. It is the purpose

1920
01:38:13,279 --> 01:38:17,239
of this Act to establish an advisory Commission, whose purpose

1921
01:38:17,359 --> 01:38:22,159
it shall be, after a thorough study of a thorough

1922
01:38:22,199 --> 01:38:26,279
study of the relationship of such materials to antisocial behavior,

1923
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:30,960
to recommend advisable, appropriate, effective, and constitutional means to deal

1924
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:35,239
effectively with such traffic and abscenity and pornography. And what

1925
01:38:35,359 --> 01:38:38,800
they had to do for this report was to a

1926
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:42,520
analyze the like, analyze everything, pretty much, analyze a law

1927
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,960
pertaining to the control of obscenity, and to evaluate and

1928
01:38:46,039 --> 01:38:51,279
recommend laws and definitions of it. To ascertain the methods

1929
01:38:51,359 --> 01:38:55,600
employed in the distribution and volume, to study the effect

1930
01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:59,920
upon the public and particularly minors, its relationship to cry

1931
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:05,520
and antisocial behavior. And then finally to recommend such legislative, administrative,

1932
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:09,439
and other advisable appropriate actions that the Commission deems necessary

1933
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,880
to regulate effectively the flow such traffic. So this report

1934
01:39:14,039 --> 01:39:16,439
is done so pretty much they do this report on

1935
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:21,359
tax payers dollars and pretty much create the best textbook

1936
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:27,600
for how the industry ran and was operated in terms

1937
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,920
of in terms of production and distribution, not only with

1938
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:35,920
film but also with books, magazines and mail order. So

1939
01:39:36,079 --> 01:39:38,439
this is pretty much to all researchers out there in

1940
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,840
absolutely essential tone to have, particularly Volume three and four

1941
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:46,880
as it deals with the marketplace, because like I said,

1942
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,079
it is the government, and they did incredibly thorough research,

1943
01:39:50,279 --> 01:39:54,439
as thorough as one could expect with this kind of thing.

1944
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,680
And even in this book they make it very clear

1945
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,600
when their research was hazy because they can not properly

1946
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:06,520
get their sources. So the Commission said, and I've I

1947
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,000
also have some opinions on this I'll stick in there

1948
01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:14,640
that really most exploitation films could get a red. We're

1949
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:18,640
looking towards getting around a typical return of around seventy

1950
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,880
to one hundred thousand dollars. I would cut this down

1951
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,079
a bit because their one bias in terms of these

1952
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:28,520
numbers was that most of the data they got was

1953
01:40:29,039 --> 01:40:31,920
from higher end distributors such as Dave Friedman and stuff,

1954
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:35,479
who didn't really represent a lot of smaller people that

1955
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,159
we talked about, like American film distributing and stuff like that.

1956
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:42,079
Dave could Dave could get upwards of one hundred and

1957
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:45,239
fifty two hundred thousand per film depending on the film.

1958
01:40:45,319 --> 01:40:48,720
But that's but that's an outlier. I would say it

1959
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:53,359
is about, depending on the person, fifty to one hundred

1960
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:59,119
thousand dollars after a couple years of the film being

1961
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:01,840
out on the marketplace. And again that depends on a

1962
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,119
lot of and that again depends on a lot of things.

1963
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:06,239
Like I said, if you're a Dave Friedman, you can

1964
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:10,560
normally expect one hundred thousand dollars because you are you

1965
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:14,039
have a higher level quality of product. So we can

1966
01:41:14,119 --> 01:41:18,960
play in all the exploitation houses, which according to the report,

1967
01:41:19,079 --> 01:41:22,000
as of nineteen sixty nine, nineteen anty sixty, nineteen sixty nine,

1968
01:41:22,039 --> 01:41:26,920
there were about four to five hundred exploitation houses in America,

1969
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:31,000
with an additional over one hundred or so that occasionally

1970
01:41:31,319 --> 01:41:35,439
showed exploitation films. A Freedman film could show in those

1971
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:39,039
theaters that occasionally showed exploitation films. Something like hot like

1972
01:41:39,239 --> 01:41:41,199
in Hot Blood was not about to show in a

1973
01:41:41,279 --> 01:41:45,600
theater that only occasionally showed exploitation films. Was the rest?

1974
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:49,039
I think the question was also in terms of money

1975
01:41:49,079 --> 01:41:50,600
put into these what was it?

1976
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 2: So?

1977
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're were looking at normally. Okay, so black

1978
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,279
and white film, black and white print. I'm going to

1979
01:41:58,359 --> 01:42:01,159
go very loose with these here. So black and white

1980
01:42:01,159 --> 01:42:04,159
print is around two fifty to three hundred dollars a print,

1981
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:09,239
you make up five actually yeah, actually color is five

1982
01:42:09,359 --> 01:42:15,279
to seven hundred. So let's talk right. Let's say I'm

1983
01:42:15,319 --> 01:42:18,239
gonna go you make about so, first of all, you've

1984
01:42:18,279 --> 01:42:20,920
spent about one hundred thousand dollars. I'm saying, your stand boreden.

1985
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:23,680
You spent uh, you spent sorry, ten thousand dollars to

1986
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,880
buy a film you then make. I'm gonna go with

1987
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,600
one hundred print. I'm not one hundred wow ten prints. Yeah,

1988
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,479
I'm gonna go a little bit higher. I'm gonna go

1989
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:35,920
a little bit higher with Stan and say that he

1990
01:42:36,279 --> 01:42:38,840
did ten prints of a movie, and I'm going to

1991
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,359
go that it's about seventy five minutes. I'm going to

1992
01:42:41,399 --> 01:42:45,920
say around two fifty prints alone. He's looking to two

1993
01:42:46,079 --> 01:42:49,840
thousand to three thousand dollars for those prints, and then

1994
01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:54,000
trailers and one sheets. Probably not that much more. He's

1995
01:42:54,079 --> 01:42:58,199
probably sinking around maybe loosely five thousand, five to seven

1996
01:42:58,279 --> 01:43:01,239
thousand when it comes to also shipping those materials to

1997
01:43:01,279 --> 01:43:04,319
the first couple of houses. So he's sunk in around,

1998
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,319
like I said, loosely like this, only less than twenty

1999
01:43:08,359 --> 01:43:14,159
thousand dollars into each film, and he's making about let's

2000
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:17,239
see here. Another thing that people need to consider as

2001
01:43:17,279 --> 01:43:19,439
well with these theaters is that a lot of them

2002
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:24,399
did not operate on a gross percentage basis in terms

2003
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:27,680
of returns. A lot of these theaters operated on what

2004
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:31,720
was called a flat rental deal, which meant that the

2005
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:36,159
theater paid you a flat amount to book your film.

2006
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:38,560
They did not give you a percentage of the gross,

2007
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,880
and that flat amount was normally what they what they

2008
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,920
would normally calculate. Say, okay, I take in around I'm

2009
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:51,359
a bigger theater in metropolitanity. I taken around five thousand

2010
01:43:51,399 --> 01:43:55,399
dollars gross weekly. That's my average, and I want to

2011
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:59,960
spend about normally ten to fifteen percent of that buying film,

2012
01:44:00,399 --> 01:44:03,359
So I'm gonna my go to flat rental rate will

2013
01:44:03,399 --> 01:44:06,760
be four hundred dollars a movie to play for a week.

2014
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,000
So you were not getting percentages. So if your film

2015
01:44:10,079 --> 01:44:12,479
did well, the only way you would get more money

2016
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:14,760
is if that film was held over for another week,

2017
01:44:15,319 --> 01:44:17,640
so you're not so if the film's doing really well,

2018
01:44:18,079 --> 01:44:20,239
that doesn't matter. What you're trying to do is you're

2019
01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:23,680
trying to get as many bookings. The more bookings, the

2020
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,920
more rental. So you're hoping to get at least, say,

2021
01:44:27,039 --> 01:44:28,760
out of those four hundred, you're hoping to get at

2022
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,159
least of one hundred and fifty bookings for one of

2023
01:44:31,239 --> 01:44:34,520
these for one of these films, And let's say you've

2024
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:38,119
got one hundred and fifty bookings. Four hundred was about average.

2025
01:44:38,119 --> 01:44:40,680
I'm going to go down a bit because we could

2026
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:43,239
be talking about one hundred and fifty dollars backwater drive

2027
01:44:43,279 --> 01:44:46,239
ins that could only spend that much. So let's do

2028
01:44:47,279 --> 01:44:50,319
one hundred and fifty times three hundred forty five thousand

2029
01:44:50,359 --> 01:44:53,720
dollars return. If you booked if you played that much.

2030
01:44:54,119 --> 01:44:55,840
So that's where I'm going off of in terms of

2031
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:59,119
fifty to one hundred thousand dollars. Yes, his first run

2032
01:44:59,239 --> 01:45:04,119
only right after two or three years. Okay, this is

2033
01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:07,079
even even here. They're like, it can take a film

2034
01:45:07,159 --> 01:45:10,119
can be playing three years in and still be considered

2035
01:45:10,199 --> 01:45:14,960
first run. That's true, as we've seen the returns after

2036
01:45:15,159 --> 01:45:19,199
like three years or so of these films in the marketplace,

2037
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,680
right pretty much. Dave Friedman once said this was in

2038
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:27,239
I'm quoting his Headmistress commentary in that he said, like

2039
01:45:27,319 --> 01:45:29,279
on the buckle of the Bible Belt, there could be

2040
01:45:29,399 --> 01:45:31,920
a state or two with one hundred drive ins that

2041
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,920
play an exploitation film. Those drive ins, because they're backwater

2042
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,359
and stuff, would only give you around one hundred dollars

2043
01:45:38,399 --> 01:45:41,279
film rendal. But if you have one print that plays

2044
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:45,359
all one hundred those drive ins through one print, that's

2045
01:45:45,399 --> 01:45:47,399
your entire negative cost plus back.

2046
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:48,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2047
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 3: True, that does really add up. Actually, and fun little

2048
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,239
fact because they use they looked at Dave Friedman's books.

2049
01:45:55,279 --> 01:45:58,399
A little fact about Dave's in terms of as least

2050
01:45:58,399 --> 01:46:02,159
as nineteen sixty nine, the averag ev I production has

2051
01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:05,720
five hundred and fifty play dates in the United States.

2052
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:09,800
Most people, most big guys thought they were doing fantastically

2053
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:13,159
to play four hundred, But Dave's regular was five hundred.

2054
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 4: In fits it was the Mighty Monarch. That's why he's

2055
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:17,039
the best.

2056
01:46:17,159 --> 01:46:20,079
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, so he could see one

2057
01:46:20,319 --> 01:46:22,800
hundred to two thousand, two hundred thousand, but yeah, the

2058
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:25,319
smaller guys, that's probably what it would be. But then

2059
01:46:25,399 --> 01:46:28,479
again we have to be very loose about that. That's

2060
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,279
a definite. Like even the report was not the most definite.

2061
01:46:31,359 --> 01:46:34,800
They're like, this is the number one kind of average.

2062
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think your number sounds a little closer

2063
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:39,640
to reality.

2064
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, like so you weren't making bank. You did

2065
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,680
have to keep on grinding this product out, like you

2066
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:49,159
really could not believe in the hype that like one film.

2067
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 6: Right.

2068
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:53,119
Speaker 4: But then this is also why places like Variety you

2069
01:46:53,199 --> 01:46:57,680
can't really trace that because if it's a flat rental fee,

2070
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:02,520
nobody's tracing tickets because the ticket sales are irrelevant except

2071
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:06,000
to the actual venue and the owner of the venue.

2072
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:09,520
That's what matters. Variety is not tracking this, So that's

2073
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,880
why you can't really track Variety numbers for a lot

2074
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,399
of this stuff because they're.

2075
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 3: Not Yeah, yeah, that's why we can only kind of

2076
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,359
do play dates and only then have a very loose

2077
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:23,239
idea that like it seems like it did. One thing

2078
01:47:23,239 --> 01:47:24,880
I should also add to people out there as well,

2079
01:47:25,039 --> 01:47:27,960
is that also even subdistributors, a lot of them did

2080
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,159
not do percentages. They gave you what they thought they

2081
01:47:31,239 --> 01:47:34,840
could do, So you weren't even geting percentage from sub distributors.

2082
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:36,680
Like if you're going to someone out in Charlotte, someone

2083
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,119
the guy in Charlotte's like, okay, so this is how

2084
01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:40,760
many I could probably book them, and like I know

2085
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,600
my market down here. Okay, I'll give you like ten

2086
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:47,640
thousand flat for these territories, leave me alone, and I'll

2087
01:47:48,119 --> 01:47:51,079
run your film for the most part. That's also how

2088
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:53,800
that happened too. So also even with your subdistribution deals,

2089
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,520
you were also gaining chunks of money just out of

2090
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,520
those and not waiting for it, like we're off the bat.

2091
01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:02,359
Depending on the territory and stuff like, yeah, there was

2092
01:48:02,399 --> 01:48:05,600
some that could be like a thirty thousand dollars area

2093
01:48:06,039 --> 01:48:08,079
and you get you're thirty k walk away. Let the

2094
01:48:08,119 --> 01:48:09,199
guys deal with your movie.

2095
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:11,600
Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say. That's why I note

2096
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:15,359
for I've started noting now that I have access to newspapers.

2097
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,359
I like tracing the life of a film and seeing

2098
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,159
and I think in one example, one of the show notes,

2099
01:48:22,279 --> 01:48:26,920
I think that is accessible on our patreon, I kind

2100
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,079
of try to make a note of how many prints

2101
01:48:29,159 --> 01:48:32,319
there even were, because we're talking about like one print

2102
01:48:32,399 --> 01:48:37,239
potentially per region or per two states, three states or whatever.

2103
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:40,680
So even trying to figure that out through those paper

2104
01:48:41,359 --> 01:48:44,640
through the paper trail of the distribution based on what

2105
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,760
newspapers are advertising, and that's not even the full picture

2106
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,159
because there were places where those pictures could not be

2107
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:51,399
advertising newspapers.

2108
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's also that's also the the thing folks,

2109
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,600
for people who, like I said, went out there whant

2110
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:03,680
to research this. Google Books has all the reports available

2111
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:06,760
for free on pdf. I might I might make volume

2112
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:09,039
three and four available on our Patreon to make it

2113
01:49:09,159 --> 01:49:12,199
easier for some people because people for sending.

2114
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 4: Them to them. By the way, because I didn't have

2115
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,119
good grief, this is incredible. I don't know why I

2116
01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:19,199
didn't have a copy already, to be honest, Yeah.

2117
01:49:19,359 --> 01:49:22,640
Speaker 3: They're hard to find unless you realize that Google Books

2118
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:25,800
and Google books doesn't even regularly have PDA whole full

2119
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,720
PDFs and stuff, so it took me a long time

2120
01:49:28,359 --> 01:49:31,199
to figure out where to find them. But yeah, yeah,

2121
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:34,359
like you're right. Newspapers dot Com only has access to

2122
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:37,680
the newspapers that the newspapers provide for them, so we

2123
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:40,680
are missing so like we can't We probably never be

2124
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,520
able to find there were like four hundred theaters. We're

2125
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,319
probably not going to be able to find every single

2126
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,880
one of those theaters via newspapers dot com.

2127
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:52,680
Speaker 4: Dot Com also doesn't have like Village Voice, and Village

2128
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:55,840
Voice was much better at documenting New York theaters than

2129
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:59,000
New York Even New York Daily News was a lot.

2130
01:49:59,079 --> 01:50:01,560
They have some free press for like San Francisco and

2131
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:05,279
Los Angeles and other places, but there are other major

2132
01:50:05,399 --> 01:50:08,920
venues that wouldn't be advertised. The La Times, for example,

2133
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:11,279
is not great about certain things.

2134
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, like so, folks, we have a fraction like pretty.

2135
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 4: Much to you you mentioning this is also interesting because

2136
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,960
you know, we just we've discussed when theaters are in

2137
01:50:22,079 --> 01:50:24,479
trouble because they're trying to screen a movie, So then

2138
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,239
you have to put into the context of they've already

2139
01:50:27,319 --> 01:50:31,479
paid to screen this movie and now they can't make

2140
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:35,399
any money through ticket sales and they owe fines and

2141
01:50:36,079 --> 01:50:39,760
jail time and lawyer fees, and the distributors are not

2142
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:43,640
stepping up to help them with this. No, we're done,

2143
01:50:44,279 --> 01:50:44,840
just like this is.

2144
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't.

2145
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 4: No, it's pre a f a A because a f

2146
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:52,479
a A. I think realized we are going to lose

2147
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:54,119
out on this because people are not going to book

2148
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:56,760
from us if there's still this threat that well, the

2149
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:58,520
last time I booked a move from you, I couldn't.

2150
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,199
I couldn't. I couldn't play it. So they were they

2151
01:51:01,279 --> 01:51:03,520
were going to be losing money too, So I think

2152
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:07,359
it was helped put theearhead at that. Yeah, he was

2153
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:08,600
very helpful in that. Yeah.

2154
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they put together and I really hope someone

2155
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:14,159
has a copy of this Stanley Fleischmann. They put together

2156
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:19,640
that legal guide to give to theaters. Yeah, that would

2157
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:22,680
be incredible to have. Yeah, oh man, you know who.

2158
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 4: Might have it? Actually, I WI should ask Lisa actually,

2159
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,920
because I'm sure Friedman had it amongst his stuff, so

2160
01:51:28,079 --> 01:51:32,039
that's something that maybe Lisa has. So basically we had

2161
01:51:32,079 --> 01:51:36,319
a lot of stuff to ask this episode. Yeah, because

2162
01:51:36,319 --> 01:51:39,039
that's really the voice memo for an update next episode.

2163
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that legal guide, I feel it changed the

2164
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,199
game for people in like small towns and things like that.

2165
01:51:45,239 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 4: There's so many people did not know how to you know,

2166
01:51:48,079 --> 01:51:52,479
fight this exactly. They just basically were like, okay, fine,

2167
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:53,720
we'll pay the fine whatever.

2168
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 2: Well, the tail end of that question that I wanted

2169
01:51:56,720 --> 01:52:01,119
to ask you, Alex, is you know, was there any

2170
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:06,279
illegality going on in terms of funding these films?

2171
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised, but we what is?

2172
01:52:12,079 --> 01:52:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Well does the report talk about anything

2173
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:17,239
like money laundering or any kind of like tax No.

2174
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:19,560
Speaker 4: No, not really.

2175
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,079
Speaker 3: That was a bit more of an if that was happening.

2176
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:24,520
That was a bit more of like an individualized type

2177
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:27,520
of basis and people with their own tales behind that.

2178
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,600
Like I know Chillie Wilson was hiding money in her wall,

2179
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:35,119
but like that isn't really a really openly known thing

2180
01:52:35,399 --> 01:52:38,079
or something that would have been really reported of. Like again,

2181
01:52:38,119 --> 01:52:40,119
I only found that out because people were renovating her

2182
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:44,039
office and said we found money, or there's that guy

2183
01:52:44,199 --> 01:52:46,680
that there's that banker that produced it in the suburbs

2184
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:49,600
with money that he that he stole from the bank

2185
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:53,920
that embezzled or whatever. But that would that's one case basis.

2186
01:52:54,039 --> 01:52:55,800
I'm trying to think of an organ of like a

2187
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:57,680
film company.

2188
01:53:00,359 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 4: I it's much more of a hardcore thing. Even in

2189
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:08,760
terms of like loops being produced that were hardcore in

2190
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:12,720
like Florida and Chicago and things like that. It wasn't

2191
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:16,039
feature film productions were loop. Those were loops and more

2192
01:53:16,079 --> 01:53:18,399
illicit stuff that you would really get in much more

2193
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:18,880
trouble for.

2194
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:22,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, if anything was yeah, it was either the loops

2195
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,640
or like really ed fetish publications and stuff done with

2196
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,600
cash like it was. It was not the general theatrical stuff.

2197
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:31,960
It was stuff you.

2198
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 4: Definitely didn't want to paper trail for. It was the

2199
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:36,720
stuff that we've discussed where there is lack of a

2200
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:40,000
paper trail for those reasons because it's much more illicit,

2201
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:43,319
much more under the counter. The exploitation stuff is much

2202
01:53:43,359 --> 01:53:44,800
more over the counter because you need to make money

2203
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:45,039
on it.

2204
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:48,520
Speaker 3: They were already and this is the way I put

2205
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,279
and even with people who are like, this must have

2206
01:53:50,279 --> 01:53:53,359
been such a horrible business with all these awful things happened,

2207
01:53:53,359 --> 01:53:58,159
blah blah blah, was already under so much scrutiny you

2208
01:53:58,279 --> 01:54:01,399
didn't want to, like in their line of fire any

2209
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:04,000
more than you already were. Like, this wasn't the type

2210
01:54:04,039 --> 01:54:07,079
business where you wanted to do the most criminal things.

2211
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,159
Speaker 4: Because it came from the studios as well.

2212
01:54:10,319 --> 01:54:11,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they knew.

2213
01:54:11,359 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 4: They knew you had to keep books, you had to

2214
01:54:15,359 --> 01:54:17,439
you had to justify things to the tax mean, you

2215
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,720
had to do all this stuff. They came from that

2216
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:24,000
background of the studio system and how Hollywood worked. So

2217
01:54:25,039 --> 01:54:28,079
I think it was when it became like fly by nighters, yes,

2218
01:54:28,359 --> 01:54:31,680
in hardcore, that's when it became much more where can

2219
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:32,279
we get money?

2220
01:54:32,399 --> 01:54:36,279
Speaker 3: Well, I know again, yeah, like storefront like that, the

2221
01:54:36,359 --> 01:54:38,399
Storefront films must have all been cash deals for the

2222
01:54:38,439 --> 01:54:41,239
prints and things like that, Like even the lab you know,

2223
01:54:41,439 --> 01:54:44,319
like yeah just all well yeah, backdoor deals with like

2224
01:54:44,439 --> 01:54:45,439
Burt Steiger's lab.

2225
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 4: That was a big thing, like Burt Steiger's I forget

2226
01:54:49,159 --> 01:54:52,960
was the Pacific Pacific labs, I believe, like backdoor deals.

2227
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, if any backdoor deals were happening in this era,

2228
01:54:56,079 --> 01:55:00,479
it was the jack Rabbit had stolen prints, uh huh,

2229
01:55:01,159 --> 01:55:04,039
Like and that was still not two of the industry.

2230
01:55:04,119 --> 01:55:06,439
That was people like Don Davison occasionally and stuff, but

2231
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:09,159
like that was still that's the one outlier as a whole.

2232
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Casey said, yeah, I mean when we're talking

2233
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:16,199
about sixties, Yeah, like a lot of these people making

2234
01:55:16,279 --> 01:55:20,199
movies were Hollywood you know, old timers. They were involved

2235
01:55:20,279 --> 01:55:20,439
in that.

2236
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:25,479
Speaker 4: So I think Koo Columbies, like we're talking, they were

2237
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,760
working in studios, so they knew that they knew the deal.

2238
01:55:28,319 --> 01:55:31,840
Speaker 2: But once again, I think closer to the late seventies eighties,

2239
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,560
then I think it gets a little shadier.

2240
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,159
Speaker 4: That's when it became once more Yeah, well that they

2241
01:55:36,199 --> 01:55:40,960
were real. They were much more of outlaws and uh yeah, yeah.

2242
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:44,000
Speaker 3: Everything pretty much went crazy because even the people who

2243
01:55:44,039 --> 01:55:45,800
didn't come from studios, like we've talked about people that

2244
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:49,319
they started in industrial films, like they started making movies

2245
01:55:49,319 --> 01:55:51,479
when they were in the They started working in film

2246
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:54,520
because they were making films for the army or like

2247
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,279
you know, local advertising firms and things like that.

2248
01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, well, I want to make a fuck

2249
01:56:00,039 --> 01:56:03,960
film that's hardcore. I can get like a cheap sixty

2250
01:56:04,039 --> 01:56:07,439
millimeters camera and shooting in the hotel room, and I

2251
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:09,760
know a guy who can give me some money for

2252
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,960
like film, Like that's much more illicit in terms of

2253
01:56:13,039 --> 01:56:15,279
like that's a hardcore thing. I mean, I'm not saying

2254
01:56:15,279 --> 01:56:17,760
it didn't happen in softcore, much more of a hardcore thing,

2255
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:21,319
you know, because that was much more because that was

2256
01:56:21,439 --> 01:56:23,800
much more wild west. Because like, it's kind of like

2257
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:26,399
how the Internet started, where there was no regulation over porn.

2258
01:56:26,479 --> 01:56:30,319
It's very much that there was no regulation really over

2259
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:32,640
over hardcore. For a while, it was kind of like, well,

2260
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:34,119
what can we do and what can we not do?

2261
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:38,000
You know, everyone had their different their different legal definitions

2262
01:56:38,039 --> 01:56:39,239
of pornography and obscenity.

2263
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 1: Emotional picture that depicts the extremes and passions and positions.

2264
01:56:50,439 --> 01:56:53,199
As in every movie, there are the actors and the actresses.

2265
01:56:53,479 --> 01:56:56,880
This one is no exception. Well there is one exception.

2266
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:04,239
This is beat Mama Queen realms. These Satian beauties find

2267
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:11,800
entertainment and them and you will find them exciting and

2268
01:57:12,079 --> 01:57:13,960
truly fascinating.

2269
01:57:15,279 --> 01:57:16,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for that.

2270
01:57:16,319 --> 01:57:17,119
Speaker 4: I think we covered that.

2271
01:57:19,479 --> 01:57:20,439
Speaker 3: We cover even more than that.

2272
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we talked about newspapers dot Com a bit,

2273
01:57:25,399 --> 01:57:28,359
and we did have a question about, you know, some

2274
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:34,399
research questions regarding Yeah, newspapers dot com does that someone

2275
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:38,239
has had some issues with censored results. I know you've

2276
01:57:38,279 --> 01:57:41,960
had your own issues with glitchiness of newspapers. What do

2277
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:42,520
you in case?

2278
01:57:43,239 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 4: That's the only issue that I've had where I will

2279
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:49,840
be searching for four to five hours and then eventually

2280
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,800
the website will just stop showing me results and say

2281
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,520
try again later, try again later, And I'm like, did

2282
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:59,399
I exhaust? I don't have a plan where I have

2283
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:03,399
a limit of searches and results a day. So that's

2284
01:58:03,399 --> 01:58:05,079
the only to show I've run into. I've never run

2285
01:58:05,399 --> 01:58:09,680
into any issue with censorship or not searching for certain words.

2286
01:58:10,359 --> 01:58:12,720
So yeah, I'm not sure. I think it has a

2287
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:14,960
lot of glitches, and I think because they know they're

2288
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:18,119
the like the only game in town, they're not interested

2289
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:22,439
in fixing that. Like I've sent them to support emails

2290
01:58:22,479 --> 01:58:25,560
about this and zero response and it's it's been a

2291
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,720
month since I people of them. So yeah, they're not interested.

2292
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,920
They're just like whatever, Yeah they're care.

2293
01:58:32,359 --> 01:58:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, they only host so much like they will always

2294
01:58:34,279 --> 01:58:37,279
glitch out. You'll always see the blue question marks covering

2295
01:58:37,319 --> 01:58:39,800
the page. If you get past like twenty results, you'll

2296
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:42,159
have to refresh the page. You have a lot of

2297
01:58:42,199 --> 01:58:45,399
page refreshing. It would log like most recently, it's not

2298
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,840
doing this anymore, but I would go to other page.

2299
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:49,479
It was like, you have to be you have to

2300
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:51,920
have a subscription to do this. I'm like, honey, I

2301
01:58:52,039 --> 01:58:54,000
do they locked in this whole time?

2302
01:58:54,199 --> 01:58:54,520
Speaker 4: Thank you?

2303
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2304
01:58:55,359 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And I have not had

2305
01:58:59,880 --> 01:59:02,399
a problem with with No, I don't think I've had

2306
01:59:02,399 --> 01:59:05,560
a problem with censorship awards. But also they just don't

2307
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:09,079
come up as much naturally in newspapers, so I have

2308
01:59:09,239 --> 01:59:14,479
not had reason to search for a very obscene profane

2309
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:18,920
language because it any right, yeah, yeah exactly. The only

2310
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:22,640
real nightmare I have is, of course, like the quality

2311
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,399
of the microfiche and how smudgye it is with how

2312
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:27,720
like you can get hits with some of the hits

2313
01:59:28,279 --> 01:59:30,600
and some of the things that like it thinks you want,

2314
01:59:31,439 --> 01:59:34,319
right like that's that's absolutely not But no, I have

2315
01:59:34,439 --> 01:59:37,560
not had a problem with okay for fandy or anything

2316
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:38,880
like that so far.

2317
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:42,640
Speaker 4: It's just it sounds like everyone has their own and

2318
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:46,680
there's no rhyme or reason to it. Unfortunately. Yeah, newspapers,

2319
01:59:47,239 --> 01:59:51,479
the benefits outweigh the the issues. I'm like, Okay, I

2320
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:54,159
guess I can't look for any more for the for

2321
01:59:54,279 --> 01:59:55,119
the episode today.

2322
01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:59,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, in case we haven't given away the game.

2323
01:59:59,279 --> 01:59:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2324
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:04,680
Speaker 2: Like newsp papers, dot com is very useful tool if

2325
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:05,600
you're a researcher.

2326
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,960
Speaker 4: Definitely has its limits, yes, but it's you have you

2327
02:00:09,079 --> 02:00:11,880
have to supplement it with other stuff. It's not a

2328
02:00:12,319 --> 02:00:14,880
it's not a one size fits all situation for it's

2329
02:00:14,920 --> 02:00:16,960
not an all it's not an all history.

2330
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:20,920
Speaker 3: It does he ever have like like like there is

2331
02:00:21,319 --> 02:00:25,079
there is a Texas specific newspaper portal on a different

2332
02:00:25,159 --> 02:00:28,399
on from a university that is more in depth in

2333
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:32,520
the state of like Texas than newspapers. Dot com is right,

2334
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:36,079
like they don't have like local broken arm Cherokee County

2335
02:00:36,279 --> 02:00:39,680
type of thing like newspapers. Dot com doesn't encompass everything,

2336
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:42,319
but they do cover most of the bases. And I

2337
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,600
and I can only imagine what it was like back

2338
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:47,960
in those days when you had to go through microfees

2339
02:00:48,039 --> 02:00:51,039
and things like that, because I found stuff on filmmakers

2340
02:00:51,279 --> 02:00:54,479
that I would have never found, like you would not

2341
02:00:54,479 --> 02:00:56,720
have found Sandy Johnson's death probably.

2342
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:59,039
Speaker 4: No, never because it was because where would you have looked.

2343
02:00:59,079 --> 02:01:00,880
I would only have access to New York stuff. I

2344
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:03,159
wouldn't have access to Chicago, or you would.

2345
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:06,880
Speaker 2: Have had to know Texas, where he like probably was

2346
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:10,039
living at the time of his death. Go to the library,

2347
02:01:10,039 --> 02:01:13,079
you know, the library in that in that county, ask

2348
02:01:13,159 --> 02:01:15,880
if they have records. They have to fumble around for

2349
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:18,920
you know, who knows how long loading stuff up for

2350
02:01:19,000 --> 02:01:22,119
you to flip through. Yeah, there are certain good things

2351
02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:23,239
about our modern age.

2352
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:26,760
Speaker 4: Yes, it's helpful, but it also it's like you have

2353
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:29,760
to supplement it with other stuff for sure.

2354
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:33,000
Speaker 3: And also kind of know how to work with it. Yes,

2355
02:01:33,399 --> 02:01:35,279
it's not a lot.

2356
02:01:36,119 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 4: Yes, I've had someone say, like someone mentioned like, well, yeah,

2357
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:41,560
I guess I can. I could be a historian too,

2358
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:43,319
if I had a newspapers dot com membership. I'm like

2359
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:45,479
tip of the iceberg jerk off.

2360
02:01:46,640 --> 02:01:47,399
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago.

2361
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 4: You don't, You don't even have a clue Like that

2362
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:53,760
is just they overnam nameless but.

2363
02:01:56,239 --> 02:01:58,640
Speaker 3: Had a good just like open to anyone who thinks

2364
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:01,840
they're historian just because they have newspaper dot com has

2365
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:04,399
no idea what they're doing. Blah blah blah blah blah.

2366
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:08,399
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, there's so there is so much. Yeah, I

2367
02:02:08,479 --> 02:02:11,600
mean it's it's a lot that covers a lot, like

2368
02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:14,199
there's so much other stuff, and but there's also stuff

2369
02:02:14,199 --> 02:02:16,319
that used to be available that isn't available anymore. Like

2370
02:02:16,439 --> 02:02:19,479
for Amazon, he used to be able to search inside

2371
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:24,760
of books you can't now. So so, for example, Carter

2372
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:29,359
Courtney was a gay actor in hardcore films. He didn't

2373
02:02:29,399 --> 02:02:31,319
do any hardcore. He was like a character actor. He's

2374
02:02:31,359 --> 02:02:33,640
in like Pamela Man and Mounted Venus and stuff. So

2375
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:35,399
I was I was trying to find out. I found

2376
02:02:35,399 --> 02:02:36,760
out he died in jail, and I was like, well,

2377
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,159
how can I find this information? I found a book

2378
02:02:39,279 --> 02:02:44,439
that like a a chaplain wrote who knew Carter Courtney

2379
02:02:44,680 --> 02:02:47,520
when he was a prison chaplain? And I only found

2380
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:50,560
him and emailed him and interviewed him about Carter Courtney

2381
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:54,079
from my book. I only found him because I found

2382
02:02:54,239 --> 02:02:56,960
an excerpt from his book on Amazon, and I bought

2383
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:59,520
the book and then I emailed him. You can't do

2384
02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:02,000
that now. I've tried to go back and find that

2385
02:03:02,359 --> 02:03:05,039
that a ways that anyone could ever find that book

2386
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:11,199
talking about Carter Courtney not possible. So we it's like

2387
02:03:11,319 --> 02:03:13,560
we take four steps forward and then five steps back,

2388
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,680
like public records have gotten worse. We used to be

2389
02:03:16,720 --> 02:03:18,960
able to access social security death indecks for free. Now

2390
02:03:19,039 --> 02:03:21,840
that's behind a paywall, white pages behind a paywall. Like,

2391
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:26,479
there's definitely restrictions now, but you have to if you're

2392
02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:28,800
a researcher, you got to find ways around it. And

2393
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:31,560
and you know it's not all as easy. I think

2394
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:33,199
people will say that, well, yeah, my day, we just

2395
02:03:33,279 --> 02:03:35,600
had microfesion phone books. It's like, yeah, I mean, we

2396
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:39,319
have definitely definite advantages, but we also have disadvantages because

2397
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:42,840
you know, there's there are definitely other disadvantages.

2398
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:47,279
Speaker 3: With them, especially also in such a genre like this. Yes,

2399
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:50,800
people don't like yeah, every other date, you're probably still

2400
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:53,079
find databases you've never even heard about that are probably

2401
02:03:53,159 --> 02:03:56,880
very helpful, and think like forums exist and then go down.

2402
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:02,560
Speaker 4: Yes people, yes, box Office Magazine a Box Office Magazine

2403
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:05,000
archive wasn't available several years ago, and that popped up,

2404
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:06,560
and all of a sudden you're finding all sorts of

2405
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,439
stuff on that on the Box Office Magazine archives. Variety

2406
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:12,199
archives used to be available, those aren't now. New York

2407
02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:14,239
Times used to be more accessible and now that's behind

2408
02:04:14,279 --> 02:04:17,439
a paywall. Village Voice used to be more Yeah, stuff

2409
02:04:17,479 --> 02:04:18,039
comes and goes.

2410
02:04:18,479 --> 02:04:23,760
Speaker 3: So that's why books. Yeah, yeah, Googles. Oh actually, well.

2411
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:26,600
Speaker 4: That's how I found the ballet teacher from Two Girls

2412
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:29,520
for a Madman, an ad that she had for being

2413
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:30,359
a ballet teacher.

2414
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:33,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, weird. Yeah, for so many reason, folks.

2415
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:36,000
Google books has a couple of newspapers but not a lot,

2416
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:39,479
Like it's just have to go backwere.

2417
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:42,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't. Just basically, when you search for something,

2418
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:44,159
you have to go to the end of the search.

2419
02:04:44,279 --> 02:04:46,520
You have to keep going. Even if it's the same

2420
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:48,439
ship that you see over and over, you have to

2421
02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:50,560
keep going. And so that's why it's not for it's

2422
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:53,079
really it's not for the week. And then that's why.

2423
02:04:53,159 --> 02:04:58,840
Speaker 3: Things like pseudonym, obituary, pseudonym, birth date, pseudonyms, spouse yes, steady.

2424
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:03,399
Speaker 4: Yes, So that's why, like, yeah, if you're going to

2425
02:05:03,479 --> 02:05:06,279
do it, you have to. It's not necessarily the healthiest

2426
02:05:06,319 --> 02:05:08,960
hobby because it will drive you insane like I've been.

2427
02:05:09,039 --> 02:05:12,800
I've been driven to tears, I have been frustrated beyond belief,

2428
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:15,920
and then a month later, oh my gosh, I found

2429
02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:19,840
something miraculously. How did this happen? So it's rewarding, frustrating,

2430
02:05:20,079 --> 02:05:23,520
and not for the weak of heart, but I encourage

2431
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:24,640
you to do it if you want to.

2432
02:05:25,359 --> 02:05:25,560
Speaker 3: Yes.

2433
02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:29,439
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, an adjacent question to that is, you know,

2434
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:33,159
is there anything like a list or database of adults

2435
02:05:33,239 --> 02:05:37,439
only films of the sixties and other decades. No.

2436
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:40,520
Speaker 4: The closest thing, well, the closest thing I can think

2437
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:42,239
of that I used as a jumping off point is

2438
02:05:42,279 --> 02:05:46,079
Alex's loss and in Limbo's exploitation list on Letterbox, which

2439
02:05:46,119 --> 02:05:49,239
I've added to as movies keep getting added and things

2440
02:05:49,319 --> 02:05:55,239
like that. No, I don't think there is. I think no.

2441
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:58,720
I think Lisa and Mike came up with one based

2442
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:02,479
on the AFI cattle, but even that, shockingly is incomplete.

2443
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:05,079
The AFI catalog is not one hundred percent complete.

2444
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,319
Speaker 2: Well no, Alex, what are you going on in a.

2445
02:06:08,319 --> 02:06:11,840
Speaker 4: Certain year too? But yeah, if you're dealing with sixties only?

2446
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:14,239
But yeah, but yeah, there's still a lot of stuff

2447
02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:14,680
that's missing.

2448
02:06:15,199 --> 02:06:17,800
Speaker 2: We are just going off a personal list, Alex, for

2449
02:06:18,199 --> 02:06:20,199
you know your completion the.

2450
02:06:21,079 --> 02:06:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I also have because almost everything that of

2451
02:06:25,399 --> 02:06:28,000
course has been made available will at least normally be

2452
02:06:28,039 --> 02:06:31,640
on lighter box and stuff like So that's very easy

2453
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:33,319
for me to like create watch list and things. I'm

2454
02:06:33,359 --> 02:06:35,520
just doing ones that release on home. I'm not trying

2455
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:37,439
to hunt down every single lost one and then see

2456
02:06:37,479 --> 02:06:37,960
that one too.

2457
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:43,159
Speaker 4: So that's a bit I was gonna say, Alex, I'm

2458
02:06:43,239 --> 02:06:45,560
gonna have to let let go of your hand on

2459
02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:47,920
this journey because I think you're gonna go down a

2460
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:49,079
rabbit hole that will leave.

2461
02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:52,840
Speaker 3: You, yeah, out of your mind. It's not like, yeah,

2462
02:06:52,920 --> 02:06:57,079
so it's not limitable ones, but for lost ones. Yeah,

2463
02:06:57,159 --> 02:07:01,199
AFI has almost everything. There's one or two, and I

2464
02:07:01,279 --> 02:07:03,279
can picture what the one sheet looks like, but I

2465
02:07:03,399 --> 02:07:08,800
cannot think of what the title. The name is, yes

2466
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:14,479
it is, that's the Carolyn Lima story. Yeah story, there's one.

2467
02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:16,520
Oh my god, No, there's there's.

2468
02:07:16,239 --> 02:07:18,680
Speaker 4: Some other Texas ones that aren't in there. I don't think.

2469
02:07:19,479 --> 02:07:21,560
Speaker 3: Oh, almost all the Texas ones i'm aware of are.

2470
02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:24,039
There's this one where it's a red one sheet. There's

2471
02:07:24,079 --> 02:07:26,399
a black and white image of two really preppy looking

2472
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:29,479
mod girls on it, and there's a really groovy, white

2473
02:07:30,399 --> 02:07:33,039
wormy title on it called like Heads or Tails Are

2474
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:37,479
Someone and Someone that's not available anywhere. I've only seen

2475
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:40,560
one one sheet of it. There's a couple. But AFI

2476
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:43,880
has almost everything. Yeah, I've tried to.

2477
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:49,159
Speaker 4: I've started, because sometimes you'll see posts why haven't heard

2478
02:07:49,159 --> 02:07:51,960
of this, and then you'll notice one one cast name

2479
02:07:52,039 --> 02:07:54,640
that has been only briefly changed, and you're like, I

2480
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:55,920
wonder if that's this movie?

2481
02:07:56,439 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, especially some of those later driving ones in

2482
02:07:59,880 --> 02:08:03,119
the seventies, like House of Chains or those really weird

2483
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:08,239
stock posters title. Yeah, exactly. I tried to start making

2484
02:08:08,319 --> 02:08:11,520
a master list of all the lost sixties ones, but

2485
02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:12,800
it's such an undertaking.

2486
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:13,279
Speaker 1: I have not.

2487
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:15,520
Speaker 3: Something like that.

2488
02:08:16,039 --> 02:08:18,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, you would look through your AFI catalog and just

2489
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:21,359
which I have, and then also and then also be like, okay,

2490
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:25,319
I need to like contact this archive in double check,

2491
02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:28,000
and also contact these people as well.

2492
02:08:30,319 --> 02:08:35,840
Speaker 4: So, because there's a talking straight exploitation, there's also a

2493
02:08:36,119 --> 02:08:41,279
sexploitation that is even less documented well over time, that's tougher,

2494
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:44,479
and that's almost exclusively New York and.

2495
02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:48,520
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, San franci San Francisco.

2496
02:08:48,479 --> 02:08:53,800
Speaker 4: Mostly LA. We're talking about. Don't know why, but there

2497
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:56,079
were some Frisco people. Oh that's a gay city. Yeah,

2498
02:08:56,359 --> 02:08:58,840
but no, we're talking like stuff like the park, the

2499
02:08:58,920 --> 02:08:59,760
park Miller.

2500
02:09:00,199 --> 02:09:01,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sales stuff.

2501
02:09:01,960 --> 02:09:04,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're very right.

2502
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Shan Sale stuff as a whole, Like there's

2503
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:09,560
a bunch of obscure things of his that aren't on

2504
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:15,199
AFFL including street films, do whatever. Yeah, like how weigh madness.

2505
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem. There's no one Yeah, there is

2506
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:20,720
no one database because like there's stuff that's not in AFI,

2507
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:24,760
there's stuff that's not on Letterbox. There's stuff that I

2508
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:27,520
mean a lot of. I think IMDb is probably the

2509
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:32,000
closest if you want to actually get an accurate list

2510
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:35,159
because you know, as we've talked about before, like Letterbox

2511
02:09:35,319 --> 02:09:37,479
like has their own rules about what's adult or not

2512
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:40,000
and what they want to show, so you can't even

2513
02:09:40,119 --> 02:09:43,319
use that as a resource sometimes, but.

2514
02:09:43,439 --> 02:09:46,760
Speaker 4: Also something they're taking consideration if you're saying like adults only,

2515
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:50,560
like that also covers at a territory there were studio

2516
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:54,640
films that were adults only, and so yeah, it really

2517
02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:57,239
depends on like what your categorization of it is. And

2518
02:09:57,319 --> 02:09:59,359
that ties into like another question that I saw that

2519
02:09:59,439 --> 02:10:03,640
somebody was asking where it was about, like what was it?

2520
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:06,039
It was? It was the Howard Hughes question where it

2521
02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:08,239
was kind of like would you consider these films exploitations?

2522
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:14,720
Speaker 3: No, technically, would you consider Howard Hughes's cinematic efforts as

2523
02:10:14,840 --> 02:10:19,840
working towards exploitation almost protos exploitation efforts like The Outlaw.

2524
02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:24,680
Speaker 4: I would that the movie was advertised using Jane Russell's breasts.

2525
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:27,479
That was the entire reason that movie was made. It

2526
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:32,359
led to the invention of a bra uh you know

2527
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:35,880
it was it gone to censorship problems because of breasts.

2528
02:10:36,119 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 2: That is it is.

2529
02:10:37,479 --> 02:10:39,960
Speaker 4: It fits the definition of his exploitation, even though it

2530
02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:44,520
is one of the most boring films ever made and

2531
02:10:44,840 --> 02:10:49,079
she is not good in it. Another took a decade

2532
02:10:49,119 --> 02:10:52,239
for her to figure out what she wanted to do and.

2533
02:10:53,479 --> 02:10:56,840
Speaker 3: So proved what audiences were wanting. But Hollywood was not

2534
02:10:57,359 --> 02:11:01,399
open to going to say things like that. But I

2535
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:04,520
do think that like occasionally some of these like smaller

2536
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:08,720
independent films that weren't going out through the exploitation circuits

2537
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:11,960
just kind of reinforced, Yeah, things like cleavage, things like

2538
02:11:12,039 --> 02:11:17,039
women in bondage, like like like actual adventure films from

2539
02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:20,560
like the thirties and forties were what actually inspired bondage

2540
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:24,399
artwork in photography because those were what was requested the

2541
02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:27,319
most in movie photo like stores and stuff like that.

2542
02:11:27,439 --> 02:11:30,119
Women tied up in peril, and then people like the

2543
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:33,920
every Claw was like, why don't I just start doing

2544
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:37,840
these myself? Right in things? You know, people are obviously

2545
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:41,159
liking this. I'll just start this college industry, right But.

2546
02:11:41,279 --> 02:11:43,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they answer to that question is yes, but

2547
02:11:43,479 --> 02:11:45,399
then it is but yeah, tying it to that, it's like,

2548
02:11:45,479 --> 02:11:51,239
we don't know. Yeah, making an adults only list is difficult,

2549
02:11:51,319 --> 02:11:54,359
and making even this exploitation less is difficult because when

2550
02:11:54,399 --> 02:11:56,640
you look at like the films of like a Brenner

2551
02:11:57,279 --> 02:12:02,479
or a Michigan, those aren't sex films. There exploitation films

2552
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:06,079
there foreign imports that are like maybe spiced up with

2553
02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:09,720
some inserts sometimes maybe not. Sometimes maybe they were just

2554
02:12:09,880 --> 02:12:13,520
put out as is with a great advertising campaign.

2555
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:16,359
Speaker 2: So that they have the aura if they have that

2556
02:12:16,520 --> 02:12:20,319
aura of like European sexiness and adult.

2557
02:12:20,119 --> 02:12:23,760
Speaker 4: Rates, or even like my Zeling's movies in the sixties,

2558
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:26,560
like Night Games is like that would be advertised as

2559
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:30,199
an exploitation movie, it's not. It's an artistic movie. Summer

2560
02:12:30,279 --> 02:12:33,840
with Monica. The Bergman movie advertises expectation. So it's like,

2561
02:12:34,079 --> 02:12:36,640
if you're gonna do, if anyone's gonna do a list

2562
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:38,560
like that, I feel like you have to have a

2563
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:43,920
more solid set of criteria, and that will mean that

2564
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:47,159
makes that that means that like any any list would

2565
02:12:47,199 --> 02:12:51,279
be INDI it would be specific to what its creators

2566
02:12:51,439 --> 02:12:54,720
criteria are. I don't think there's any general criteria. So

2567
02:12:54,920 --> 02:12:56,880
that's why there isn't a list that exists like this,

2568
02:12:56,960 --> 02:13:00,239
because it's not like, well, I would include this time idle,

2569
02:13:00,319 --> 02:13:03,319
but this guy isn't because he doesn't think it's exploitation.

2570
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,600
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't. The only thing, the only thing I

2571
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:11,439
could think of was explicitly produced pretty much to apply

2572
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:12,640
to purring interest.

2573
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:18,159
Speaker 4: Yes, which is a classical definition of pornography where it's designed.

2574
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:21,399
Speaker 3: Because isn't really that for the most part. But let's

2575
02:13:21,439 --> 02:13:24,239
be really here is in essence even though it's but

2576
02:13:24,439 --> 02:13:26,800
then we're designed to lightly.

2577
02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:29,600
Speaker 4: But then we're to something like I'm Curious, Yellow Fallen,

2578
02:13:30,039 --> 02:13:32,720
where it's not designed to arouse.

2579
02:13:33,359 --> 02:13:33,920
Speaker 3: I would call.

2580
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:38,880
Speaker 4: Sex is part. It was advertised it was it was.

2581
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm thinking specifically produced exploitation films. I'm not thinking of

2582
02:13:44,840 --> 02:13:47,920
anything adjacent. I'm thinking I'm trying to narrow it down.

2583
02:13:47,960 --> 02:13:51,079
I'm trying to narrow it down. My definition normally is

2584
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:55,439
not even stuff like Pink Pussy even for the most

2585
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:58,960
part it is. That's why that is produced with.

2586
02:13:59,079 --> 02:14:01,399
Speaker 4: The I couldn't go by that list. That's why I

2587
02:14:01,479 --> 02:14:03,840
feel like that for me, that list would be incomplete.

2588
02:14:04,319 --> 02:14:06,079
And so that's why it's like, I don't think there

2589
02:14:06,159 --> 02:14:08,479
could be a master list, because it's just it's like saying,

2590
02:14:08,520 --> 02:14:11,159
because I don't have a master list of every drama

2591
02:14:11,279 --> 02:14:13,960
ever made. And it's kind of like, do you include

2592
02:14:14,319 --> 02:14:16,880
things with comedy in it? Do you include westerns that

2593
02:14:16,920 --> 02:14:20,600
are dramatic? Do you include action that has tear jerker zines?

2594
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:24,079
And like that's sexpotations is a broad thing and adults

2595
02:14:24,119 --> 02:14:26,600
only is even a broad such a broad thing? I

2596
02:14:26,680 --> 02:14:30,319
think that's such a crazy endeavor to my mind that

2597
02:14:30,439 --> 02:14:33,520
I just I couldn't even possibly do it.

2598
02:14:34,239 --> 02:14:34,399
Speaker 3: You know.

2599
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:39,279
Speaker 2: I hate those letterbox lists that are like, oh, here's

2600
02:14:39,359 --> 02:14:44,920
an erotic triple X films three thousands.

2601
02:14:43,880 --> 02:14:46,680
Speaker 4: Just like what's there's that's on it? Where there's what

2602
02:14:46,840 --> 02:14:50,560
is it? It's like, uh, movies about emotions, and I'm

2603
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:52,600
just like every movie has some.

2604
02:14:54,199 --> 02:14:56,039
Speaker 2: Or even films for perverts.

2605
02:14:56,399 --> 02:14:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, or I hope they're not listening. I hope you're

2606
02:14:58,880 --> 02:15:01,119
not listening. Someone did a rough list and just did

2607
02:15:01,239 --> 02:15:03,600
every single black and whites exploitation film.

2608
02:15:05,880 --> 02:15:08,199
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's like, it's not a rusty.

2609
02:15:08,279 --> 02:15:10,479
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, like black and white does not

2610
02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:11,479
mean rough roughy.

2611
02:15:11,720 --> 02:15:12,720
Speaker 4: You know, you know what We're wrong.

2612
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:15,239
Speaker 3: It's didn't that like huh no?

2613
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:20,520
Speaker 4: Crazy? And then are they leaving out stuff like Pamela,

2614
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:23,560
Pamela you Are or the Animal because there's color sequences.

2615
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:25,520
Speaker 3: I saw the Animal in that. I think. Yeah, I

2616
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:27,720
was very I was like, what, okay, you don't know

2617
02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:28,319
what you're talking about?

2618
02:15:28,359 --> 02:15:33,600
Speaker 4: That count it has a color sequence, so I don't know. Yeah, okay,

2619
02:15:33,960 --> 02:15:36,560
like Naked Pursuit. Naked Pursuit has color sequence. Daydream as

2620
02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:40,239
color color sequences. So yeah, that's the thing. Lists are nuts,

2621
02:15:40,279 --> 02:15:43,720
and lists are really good for Like I think the

2622
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:46,520
list that I follow mean I have to know what

2623
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:48,640
the criteria is. And then I'm like, yes, I also

2624
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:51,479
subscribe to that criteria and this is what I'm looking for,

2625
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:53,840
and that's you know, but I really have to know

2626
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:56,279
what the criteria is. I can't just kind of be like, oh, yeah,

2627
02:15:56,319 --> 02:16:00,560
this is sex movies exclamation point. I'm just like, how

2628
02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:02,800
did you decide to make this list? Yes?

2629
02:16:04,760 --> 02:16:06,319
Speaker 3: I hate to be that. I hate to be that

2630
02:16:06,439 --> 02:16:08,079
one judge, but to me, it's just I know it

2631
02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:08,800
when I see it.

2632
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:12,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I use that why we use that

2633
02:16:13,039 --> 02:16:17,000
to describe things way more than I probably should. But yes,

2634
02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:19,279
I you know when you see it.

2635
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:21,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's man, I just do.

2636
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:25,119
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell right exactly right, but yeah,

2637
02:16:25,239 --> 02:16:28,960
for the person who asked that question, you know, I

2638
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:31,319
think they said that they don't use yet letterbox that much,

2639
02:16:31,399 --> 02:16:34,920
but yeah, it can be. It can. Letterbox is useful

2640
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:38,040
for that for creating your own list or finding or

2641
02:16:38,120 --> 02:16:39,559
finding good lists.

2642
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:44,079
Speaker 4: Yes, that like to come to new lists and Chris

2643
02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:46,319
to go to and Chris's list. I like all those

2644
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:48,200
and follow all those because I know exactly what those

2645
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:50,639
lists are and what they're doing. And there are other

2646
02:16:50,760 --> 02:16:53,319
lists like and the Pinky Violence list. I'm like, Okay,

2647
02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:55,079
I need to see all the pinky violence. And even

2648
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:57,200
if it's stuff that's like this doesn't seem like pinky violence,

2649
02:16:57,280 --> 02:16:58,840
but it's adjacent enough that I want to see it.

2650
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:02,159
Speaker 3: You know, I'd love to see both of you do

2651
02:17:02,280 --> 02:17:05,799
a sixties exploitation personal taste list. I'd love to see

2652
02:17:05,799 --> 02:17:08,879
both of yours versions of that. I do have I

2653
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:11,159
have one, but like, I'd love to see what you

2654
02:17:11,319 --> 02:17:14,639
two is just overall would be yeah.

2655
02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:17,479
Speaker 4: I should well see. And I was trying to do

2656
02:17:17,600 --> 02:17:19,639
that with all my rankings, the something weird stuff, but

2657
02:17:19,639 --> 02:17:23,559
I've fallen off of that, so but then I wouldn't. Yeah,

2658
02:17:23,879 --> 02:17:25,639
I'll have to think about it. All I know is

2659
02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:27,440
that Mesker's stuff would be at the bottom.

2660
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:31,600
Speaker 3: I include a single Metsker on mine my personal taste one.

2661
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Teresa and Isabelle. That's kind of it for

2662
02:17:34,799 --> 02:17:37,079
me in terms of soft course, that and Liquors Quartet

2663
02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:39,159
are kind of it for me. And then he I

2664
02:17:39,239 --> 02:17:41,280
think I discussed we discussed this in a chat where

2665
02:17:41,719 --> 02:17:44,559
he met Jerry Douglas. Got a sense of humor. And

2666
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:47,719
then his hardcore is great because it's funny. Yeah yeah,

2667
02:17:47,799 --> 02:17:50,399
and it's like, yeah, he stopped taking himself so fucking seriously,

2668
02:17:50,760 --> 02:17:53,399
and that's what made his movies good. It's like he

2669
02:17:53,479 --> 02:17:56,079
has fun with them. It took a gay man, the

2670
02:17:56,159 --> 02:17:58,280
gay playwright to co direct a movie with him to

2671
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:00,280
be like, you know what, this is just fun, have

2672
02:18:00,440 --> 02:18:05,959
fun with it, take themselves so seriously your proteck. Yeah,

2673
02:18:05,959 --> 02:18:08,559
I cannot stand Metzger. Sorry, yeah, we will know. We

2674
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:10,520
will do an episode on Metzker, but and I will

2675
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:13,000
try to be in my best behavior, but we'll see yea.

2676
02:18:13,239 --> 02:18:15,399
Speaker 3: Even in the eighties he would walk into the office

2677
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:18,399
in shirtless with just an ascot on. That's just.

2678
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:22,479
Speaker 4: Metzger was brand for him.

2679
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:26,559
Speaker 3: The stories I've heard of Metzger, yeah, just I have

2680
02:18:26,719 --> 02:18:27,479
a number of one.

2681
02:19:02,959 --> 02:19:05,760
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