Speaker 1: Oh, that's are.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and I am the Cage to Night and today,
Speaker 2: good cult members. We have a pretty substantial guest in
Speaker 2: the in the track record of guests that we've had
Speaker 2: come on the show, a lot of people claim to be,
Speaker 2: you know, somebody who knows some things about some conspiratorial things,
Speaker 2: know some things about government corruption, but very few people
Speaker 2: have first hand account of it being done to them
Speaker 2: and their people. Today, good cult members, we have Sali
Speaker 2: Hidayah on the show to speak on behalf of him,
Speaker 2: his people, the country where he comes from, brother, for
Speaker 2: on behalf of all of us Americans to you and
Speaker 2: all of the Turkish standing people. Welcome to the show. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: So when you reached out to us, you said that
Speaker 2: you were a Weager born to Turkistani correct, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: So for those that may not know what is a
Speaker 2: Weiger Muslim? What is the differences between a Weiger Muslim
Speaker 2: as opposed to some of the other types that we
Speaker 2: might be more familiar with based off of mainstream media.
Speaker 3: So the Wars that's actually how we pronounced it, but
Speaker 3: most Americans can't pronounce it. So it's for your war,
Speaker 3: but I can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, bro. American English.
Speaker 4: Super bad right out the gate.
Speaker 3: It's not a problem. Most most people can't. I think
Speaker 3: the most common Western pronunciation of it is weiger. But
Speaker 3: we can also accept.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the Wars are ethnically Turkic people. Actually they are
Speaker 3: hybrid people, mostly Turkic and Indo European who are native
Speaker 3: to Central Asia, specifically to East Turkistan. They are predominantly
Speaker 3: Muslim population, though throughout history have pretty much practiced every
Speaker 3: major religion out there, except for possibly Judaism, but other
Speaker 3: than that, every other major religions stretching from you know,
Speaker 3: Shamanism in the ancient past to Talentism to Zoroastrianism to
Speaker 3: Buddhism to Nestorian Christianity and then Islam has been the
Speaker 3: the the predominant religion of the Wars, starting in the
Speaker 3: initially in the tenth century, but really became dominant after
Speaker 3: the sixteenth century.
Speaker 2: What sect of Islam is more dominant in that area?
Speaker 3: So the Wars are actually predominantly Uh, they're Sunni. In fact,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any she Muslims amongst but they're
Speaker 3: mostly Sudani but even within the Sunni sector, they followed
Speaker 3: the Hanafi school of thought, which is the most liberal
Speaker 3: interpretation or school of thought in Islam.
Speaker 2: Okay. So if we're looking on the litmus test here right,
Speaker 2: this is more of the moderate and progressive brand of Islam. Yes,
Speaker 2: got you, got you? Okay? All right? So, and you
Speaker 2: said that's been around since about the tenth century. Now
Speaker 2: Turkistan itself as a country, East Turkistan, I should say,
Speaker 2: I've got to be honest with you. When we first
Speaker 2: heard of you, I was thinking it was like Turkmenistan
Speaker 2: and that. I was like, wait, no, that's not what
Speaker 2: he said. That's not what he said. Then I was like,
Speaker 2: there's so many of these other ones. I like Turjikistan.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, there's no way this is a dude
Speaker 2: from Turjikistan coming in. I didn't actually know where East
Speaker 2: Turkistan was on a map. You when you say central Asia,
Speaker 2: you mean like dead center of the continent of Asia. Like,
Speaker 2: no jokes on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So East Turkistan actually, historically East Turkistan was part
Speaker 3: of Turkistan. The East versus West divide came initially in
Speaker 3: the seventeen thirties. This is when the Russian Empire began
Speaker 3: expanding into Central Asia, so to distinguish the parts that
Speaker 3: the Russians were slowly occupying from the other part, the
Speaker 3: east versus west geographic delineation started happening in the seventeen thirties,
Speaker 3: but historically it used to be called Turkistan. So if
Speaker 3: you look at maps from you know, any anywhere from
Speaker 3: the five hundreds CE common era all the way up
Speaker 3: until really the eighteen hundreds, it was labeled as Turkistan.
Speaker 3: Then East Turakistan began to become more distinguished from West Takastan,
Speaker 3: which by the eighteen hundreds fell largely under Russian the
Speaker 3: Russian Empire, So modern day West Turkistan is the independent
Speaker 3: nations of Kalzakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Zbekistan, Tajikistan, turk Panistan, so forth,
Speaker 3: whereas East ta Kistan. In seventeen fifty nine it was
Speaker 3: invaded by the Manchu Qing Empire, which had invaded and
Speaker 3: occupied China a century prior, and then they invaded East
Speaker 3: ta Kistan and initially governed it as a military colony,
Speaker 3: meaning that they stationed Manchu forces to oversee the colony.
Speaker 3: But didn't you know, engage in the direct administration. They
Speaker 3: mostly collected taxes and so forth, and let the local
Speaker 3: principalities in East ta Kistan govern, you know, their internal affairs,
Speaker 3: you could say. However, during eighteen seventeen fifty nine to
Speaker 3: about eighteen sixty three, forty two major armed uprisings against
Speaker 3: the Manchu occupation occurred, against magic colonial rule occurred, and
Speaker 3: in eighteen sixty four, Eastern Kistan was able to declare
Speaker 3: its independence or the people of Eastern Kistan declared their
Speaker 3: independence and established the state of Yattusha on November twelfth,
Speaker 3: eighteen sixty four. And Yetushar in the Ilu language literally
Speaker 3: translates as the seven Cities, and that referred to these
Speaker 3: seven major principalities or major cities in Eastern Kistan. And
Speaker 3: this is a fun fact why Eastern Kistan later became
Speaker 3: occupied is that during this period there was something called
Speaker 3: the Great Great Game, which was a strategic competition, great
Speaker 3: power competition between the British Empire which was in South
Speaker 3: Asia and India today Pakistan versus the Russian Empire which
Speaker 3: was in Central Asia. So this Great Game was essentially
Speaker 3: a strategic competition for the Great Game, which was Central
Speaker 3: Asia itself for Turkistan. And so the Russians, fearing that
Speaker 3: the British would use East Turkistan to apply pressure on
Speaker 3: the Russian Empire specifically over its colonial rule in West Turkistan,
Speaker 3: you know, essentially decided that it was best to support
Speaker 3: the Manchu Qing dynasty in reconquering East Turkistan. So in
Speaker 3: eighteen seventy six, the Manchuaching Empire launched an invasion and
Speaker 3: in December of eighteen seventy seven they occupied East Turkistan,
Speaker 3: and a couple of years later, in eighteen eighty four,
Speaker 3: that's when they're like, you know what, we need to
Speaker 3: directly administer this territory. You know, we can't leave these
Speaker 3: people to to manage their own affairs. We need to
Speaker 3: do that. We need to start this colonization. And so
Speaker 3: this is the first time that they tried to annex
Speaker 3: East Turkistan as Shinjong, which in the Chinese language shin
Speaker 3: means new jung means territory or frontier. And then the
Speaker 3: English Chinese dictionary from eighteen eighty six, I believe or
Speaker 3: eighty six or ninety six, it literally translates it as
Speaker 3: the colony.
Speaker 2: So real quick as we're talking about the Great Game
Speaker 2: that took place, right and there's a lot of historical
Speaker 2: documentation on the Great Game that took place between Russia
Speaker 2: and England at this time, and it was all a
Speaker 2: big race. Some of it is for the resources, some
Speaker 2: of it was strictly for the land itself and the
Speaker 2: strategic reasons for the land. When it comes to East Turkestan,
Speaker 2: what was the push? Was it the land itself in
Speaker 2: the strategic importance of it? Is there some sort of
Speaker 2: a resource that could be found there that these colonial
Speaker 2: powers are trying to exploit to the best they could.
Speaker 2: What was what was the big push to control East
Speaker 2: Turkestan on that scale?
Speaker 3: Well, in in terms in terms of the Great Game,
Speaker 3: both powers, both the British Empire and the Russian Empire,
Speaker 3: they saw East Turkistan as initially like a buffer between
Speaker 3: their two empires. They didn't really consider it in terms of,
Speaker 3: you know, the economic prospects. They just considered it as
Speaker 3: a buffer. But both sides knew that if if one
Speaker 3: or the other occupied it, then ultimately it would put
Speaker 3: the two empires right next to each other, and that
Speaker 3: is unacceptable for you know, empires, especially when they perceive
Speaker 3: another empire as a threat, so that's why they allowed
Speaker 3: the Chinese or the man teaching dynasts to to essentially
Speaker 3: occupy it. And for the Teaching Empire, they also saw
Speaker 3: East ta Kistan as a buffer, you know, protecting the
Speaker 3: Chinese heartland from any potential invasions, whether it's through by
Speaker 3: the British Empire or the Russian Empire, because to enter
Speaker 3: the Chinese Heartland you would have to go through East
Speaker 3: ta Kistan first. So for them it was like a
Speaker 3: strategic buffer. And they needed territory. So they wanted to
Speaker 3: expand their having a rising population, so they wanted to
Speaker 3: you know, secure a territorial buffer. So in eighteen eighty four,
Speaker 3: the Manchu Chin Empire formerly tries to annex East Pakistan
Speaker 3: as Shinjiong. The people of East Takistan actually resist continue
Speaker 3: to resist the Manchu Empire, engaging in several uprisings into
Speaker 3: the early nine nineteen hundreds, including nineteen oh five, nineteen
Speaker 3: oh seven, nineteen twelve. In nineteen twelve, the Manchu Qing
Speaker 3: dynasty itself was overthrown by the Chinese Revolution.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the Boxer Rebellion.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, the Shinhai Revolution as a Chinese call it ye.
Speaker 3: And then in our case, well in Mongolia's case, Mongoli
Speaker 3: declared independence, but also tried to declare independence. We also tried,
Speaker 3: but the Chinese warlords that the remnants of the Qing Empire,
Speaker 3: they crushed all of our efforts and they tried to
Speaker 3: you know, they essentially governed it as their own little
Speaker 3: fief them, you could say, independent of the rising, you know,
Speaker 3: the Chinese Republic. However, in nineteen thirty one, the last
Speaker 3: vestige of Turkic you know, autonomy you could say, was
Speaker 3: the k was the Kumil Khanate. So the Kumul Khanates
Speaker 3: Prince Shahmsu died and then with that the Chinese warlords
Speaker 3: were like, okay, because the Kumul is like the major
Speaker 3: principality next to the Chinese border, next to the border
Speaker 3: of East Ta Kastan and China. So that was what
Speaker 3: was preventing, you know, they were preventing effectively Chinese colonization
Speaker 3: from from taking you know, from fulfilling in East Ta
Speaker 3: Kistan from becoming filled. So what the Kumul Khan abolished,
Speaker 3: the Chinese began to the Chinese war wars began to
Speaker 3: try to colonize East Turkistan with Chinese settlers, and so
Speaker 3: this sparked an armed uprising and by nineteen thirty two
Speaker 3: this spread out all throughout East ta Kistan to where
Speaker 3: in the south in Hotean a independent government was set up.
Speaker 3: And then in nineteen thirty three it sparked, you know,
Speaker 3: the rebellion sparked all across the country and the different
Speaker 3: Turkic factions or groups came together and decided that they
Speaker 3: were going to unite and create a modern republic. So
Speaker 3: this is where the first East Takistan Republic was established
Speaker 3: on November twelfth of nineteen thirty three. However, because of
Speaker 3: East Traakistan's proximity to the British Empire, which is in India,
Speaker 3: and because the Soviet Union across the border is occupying
Speaker 3: West Turkistan, the Soviets felt threatened by an independent East
Speaker 3: Turkistan because they thought we would get too closely aligned
Speaker 3: with the British and they thought that by us being independent,
Speaker 3: this would you inspire the neighboring West Turkistan. Our people
Speaker 3: there are brothers essentially, are ethnic in to you rise
Speaker 3: up against the Soviet occupation. So the Soviets supported the
Speaker 3: Chinese war lords along with Chinese Muslim forces to essentially
Speaker 3: invade and toppled the Eastern Eastern Republic, and this happened
Speaker 3: in April sixteenth of nineteen thirty four. So our first
Speaker 3: republic was very short lived. Though we had our own passport,
Speaker 3: we had our own armed forces, we had our flag
Speaker 3: and national anthem, we had everything that met the qualifications
Speaker 3: of the state under the Montevido Convention of nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 3: So we had everything that was required to be recognized
Speaker 3: as a state, and we even sent emissaries to India,
Speaker 3: even to the Soviet Union, to a Turkey, Germany and
Speaker 3: other places to seek recognition and support. Then in nineteen
Speaker 3: thirty seven, after the Soviets, they placed a Chinese warlord
Speaker 3: named Shin Sei as the gun owner of East Takistan.
Speaker 3: And again East Turkistan was, you know, the facto autonomous
Speaker 3: in that session in that period, as in it was
Speaker 3: not tied to the Republic of China, nor was it
Speaker 3: tied to the Soviet Union. It was its own little entity.
Speaker 2: But it was being overseen by a Chinese dignitary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chinese warlord. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So also just real quick when you say Chinese warlord,
Speaker 2: do we in fact mean a warlord or on paper
Speaker 2: at least was he a dignitary? But he was super brutal,
Speaker 2: Like to what classification are we calling this person a warlord?
Speaker 3: I mean he was. He was an actual warlord and
Speaker 3: he was very brutal. So in nineteen thirty seven, the
Speaker 3: survivors of the first East tra Kistan Republic, notably our
Speaker 3: defense minister, he had survived, he had he instigated an
Speaker 3: armed uprising and fled to India to try to seek
Speaker 3: western you know, global support for upon the success of
Speaker 3: the armed uprising. So in April nineteen thirty, nineteen thirty seven,
Speaker 3: we had an armed uprising which was very successful. It
Speaker 3: liberated the southern half of East Rakistan very quickly from
Speaker 3: the Chinese warlords, you know forces, to the point that
Speaker 3: in September nineteen thirty seven, the Soviet Union it could
Speaker 3: no longer you know, from its own It's seated as
Speaker 3: a security threat and could no longer you know, sit
Speaker 3: idle as you know, are we were making you know advances.
Speaker 3: So it directly invaded East Ta Kastan and engaged in
Speaker 3: the largest bombardment campaign in Central Asia and in October
Speaker 3: of nineteen thirty seven, the uprising was crushed as shortly
Speaker 3: after that. It was believed that one hundred thousand people
Speaker 3: were killed during that six months of uprising, mostly by
Speaker 3: Soviet bombardments, air strikes, you know, from the air aerial bombardments.
Speaker 3: And then Shen said, the Chinese warlord, he began to
Speaker 3: engage in a mass persecution to where anyone against his
Speaker 3: regime or anyone that they deemed were against his regime.
Speaker 3: So he targeted the native Turkic population, and over three
Speaker 3: hundred thousand people were arrested and imprisoned. Over ten thousand
Speaker 3: families were families all of their wealth and assets were seized.
Speaker 3: So all of our rich people at that time, all
Speaker 3: their wealth was taken because they were you know, some
Speaker 3: of the wealthy families previously played an important role in
Speaker 3: the in funding the armed uprisings.
Speaker 2: Right, they were seen as a threat or that they
Speaker 2: had resources at their disposals. So you know, even if
Speaker 2: we can maybe trust them, we just can't be taking
Speaker 2: a risk on it, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And then so this discontinued until nineteen forty three under
Speaker 3: Shanks sty And the interesting thing is in nineteen forty one,
Speaker 3: Hitler launches Operation Barbosa, which is the invasion of the
Speaker 3: Soviet Union. So by nineteen forty two, the Soviet Union
Speaker 3: is actually on you know, losing ground to the Nazi invasion.
Speaker 3: So as a result, they can't pay attention to you know,
Speaker 3: East Pakistan. And so the Chinese warlord seeing that, you know,
Speaker 3: our people are still you know, discontent with the Chinese
Speaker 3: rule and could potentially rise up any time, and without
Speaker 3: his Soviet backers, Shanks City is going to be weak,
Speaker 3: in a very weak position. So he formally aligns himself
Speaker 3: with the Republic of China or the Chinese nationalist regime.
Speaker 3: And they in turn asked him to, you know, because
Speaker 3: he still has Soviet advisors in the country in East Turkistan,
Speaker 3: so they asked him to, you know, expel the Soviet
Speaker 3: advisors and you know, give oath allegiance to the Republic
Speaker 3: of China. So Shins say, does that. By nineteen forty three,
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union is actually winning the war. It's you know,
Speaker 3: gaining ground over the Nazis, and so Stalin he's pissed
Speaker 3: because Shins say not only you know, kind of like
Speaker 3: stop him in the back. You could say, but the
Speaker 3: fact that we there was sporadic uprising, small scale uprisings
Speaker 3: and protests happening in East Turkistan. So Stalin decided that,
Speaker 3: you know, actually I could take advantage of this by
Speaker 3: supporting this these people in pressuring China for two reasons. One,
Speaker 3: Stalin needed uranium and other resources for his atomic bomb project,
Speaker 3: and that's where that was found in northern East Pakistan. Secondly,
Speaker 3: again because major powers they don't like even if you
Speaker 3: look at today's conflict in Ukraine, the ongoing war in Ukraine,
Speaker 3: why is it because why is Russia? You know what?
Speaker 3: What what what does Russia claim that it's doing? It's
Speaker 3: because Ukraine is a thread or you know, NATO, if
Speaker 3: NATO expansion along its borders would you know, be a
Speaker 3: threat to its security, et cetera. Similarly, Mongolia, which declared
Speaker 3: independence in nineteen twelve, was not recognized as independent, trying
Speaker 3: to refuse to recognize it, and China aim to continue
Speaker 3: to try to you know, regain Mongolia so to ensure
Speaker 3: Mongolia's independence was recognized, and it continued to serve as
Speaker 3: a buffer between the Soviet Union in China or else
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union in China would end up sharing, you know,
Speaker 3: thousands of kilometers of waters, which would again be very
Speaker 3: difficult to to you know, safeguard or protect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, during that timeframe, people look back at the history
Speaker 2: of China and Russia and their relationship, and yes, while
Speaker 2: both of them were communist stations, especially by this time,
Speaker 2: there was about a two decades stint where China and
Speaker 2: Russia were not really close allies by anything other than
Speaker 2: the fact that they shared a system of government as
Speaker 2: far as Communism's concerned. A lot of people. We talked
Speaker 2: about that as a matter of fact on an episode
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the space race during that time.
Speaker 2: It was right when the tension started to cool off,
Speaker 2: and by the late nineteen fifties China and Russia were
Speaker 2: back being super tight. But during the thirties, forties and
Speaker 2: into the early fifties, it was tumultuous at best for sure.
Speaker 2: So having a buffer state like Mongolia, they're kind of
Speaker 2: tied in the middle. Either they're gonna side with China
Speaker 2: or they're gonna side with Russia. And it I mean
Speaker 2: it's literally you're trying to choose the lesser of two
Speaker 2: evils at that point. The same thing that I believe
Speaker 2: East Turkestan had to choose as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so in that period, so Stalin wanted to
Speaker 3: create a buffer and secure you know, recognition in Vat
Speaker 3: of Mongolids independence. So the Soviet Union initially supported our
Speaker 3: initially supported our uprisings in nineteen forty four, which led
Speaker 3: to the creation of the Second East Turkistan Republic on
Speaker 3: November twelfth, nineteen forty four. In fact, we could have
Speaker 3: declared it on November seventh, but our leaders at the
Speaker 3: time they wanted to wait until November twelfth to align
Speaker 3: it with the first East Turkistan Republic because the anniversary
Speaker 3: very cool. So initially we quickly succeed in liberating the
Speaker 3: northwest quarter of East Turkistan, so about twenty five percent
Speaker 3: of our territory we were able to quickly liberate from
Speaker 3: the Chinese nationalist regime forces. However, the Soviet Union essentially
Speaker 3: after it, you know, the after it was able to
Speaker 3: persuade or pressure the Republic of China to recognize Outer
Speaker 3: Mongoli's independence. It forced us to engage in a in
Speaker 3: a ceasefire and engaged in peace talks with the nationalist regime.
Speaker 3: So our president refused because he believed that, you know,
Speaker 3: there was no that the Chinese would never uphold their promises,
Speaker 3: and that this was just you know, these peace talks
Speaker 3: were just waste of time and we should continue seizing
Speaker 3: the moment to quickly liberate all of our country.
Speaker 2: That man was smarter than his than his age bracket
Speaker 2: on that one, because boyle boy, if history didn't prove
Speaker 2: him correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so the Soviets they they had to remove
Speaker 3: him because they felt that, you know, he would oppose
Speaker 3: their plans. So they called him to a meeting in
Speaker 3: al Madi, which was then under the Soviet Union. And
Speaker 3: then as soon as he went to al Mahdi, he
Speaker 3: was arrested by the MKGBM, which is the predecessor of
Speaker 3: the KGB, and they took him to house arrest in
Speaker 3: touch Kent in Uzbekistan, and he died there in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy six. Now coming back in April of nineteen in
Speaker 3: no In July of June of nineteen forty six, we
Speaker 3: are forced to sign a peace treaty with the Republic
Speaker 3: of China. The East Akistan Republic and the Republic of
Speaker 3: China signed a priest treaty in which the Chinese nationalists
Speaker 3: promised that you know, they would grab us autonomy, that
Speaker 3: you know, we would be able to govern ourselves. They
Speaker 3: would seize colin ization, they would seize you know, they
Speaker 3: would withdraw their forces externally, like internally, we'd be responsible
Speaker 3: for all of our affairs externally, as far as the
Speaker 3: international community is concerned, like foreign policy would be left
Speaker 3: to the Chinese. So the Soviet Union coerced us for
Speaker 3: stars to sign this treaty, this deal, and initially the
Speaker 3: Chinese regime they set up a puppet coalition government, provincial
Speaker 3: government in which we shared powers, and they were going
Speaker 3: to slowly implement the you know, the agreements conditions. And
Speaker 3: in response to that, in nineteen forty seven, China was
Speaker 3: drafting its constitution. The Republic of China was drafting its constitution.
Speaker 3: So the leaders of the Eastern Kistan Republic traveled to
Speaker 3: Nanjang and met with Shang Kai Chek and said, Okay,
Speaker 3: we'd like you to one stop referring to us as
Speaker 3: shin Jiang because this is an offensive colonial term. We're
Speaker 3: not a new territory. Referred to us as East Turkestan
Speaker 3: what we've historically been, or just call us Turkistan. If
Speaker 3: you don't want to call us Eeast Turkistan, just call
Speaker 3: us Turkistan. And then we want you to ensure in
Speaker 3: your constitution that that the promises of autonomy is written there,
Speaker 3: that we have autonomy per your constitution. And of course
Speaker 3: the Chinese refuse. John Kishik refuses to this date. For example,
Speaker 3: and if you look at the Republic of China's constitution,
Speaker 3: there are specific articles that mentioned some autonomy and local
Speaker 3: governors for Tibet and Mongolia, which the ROC continues to claim,
Speaker 3: but there's no mention of East Pakistan or even so
Speaker 3: called Shinjong in that so.
Speaker 2: For their constitution, it's already Chinese territory.
Speaker 3: Well for their constitution, they it's ambiguous. There's no mention
Speaker 3: of us. So it's like if they wanted to colonize it,
Speaker 3: it would be it would be easy. It's ambiguous. You know,
Speaker 3: if they success succeeded in occupying it and colonizing it,
Speaker 3: then you know, they could deny us the right to
Speaker 3: you know, self determination autonomy by stating, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: we never promised you.
Speaker 4: That it's very large.
Speaker 1: You're the country is very large itself, right, It was
Speaker 1: like forty times as big as the Netherlands. Like, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a large.
Speaker 2: It's like seventeen percent of China.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they were to lose it. It's like seventeen
Speaker 1: percent of their land population area.
Speaker 3: It's actually about it's a little bit of over twenty percent. Actually, okay,
Speaker 3: it's so what the seventeen percent you're referring to as
Speaker 3: the so called Hinchang wigor Autonomous Region, which makes up
Speaker 3: the majority of East tar Kistan. East itself incorporates neighboring
Speaker 3: parts of some of our territory, like the Council Region
Speaker 3: was annexed into the territories of chin Kai and Gansu
Speaker 3: Province by the the KMT Republic of China. So easter
Speaker 3: is actually one million, hundred and twenty four hundred eighteen
Speaker 3: square kilometers, which is roughly a fifth of what is
Speaker 3: now the PRC. Wow.
Speaker 1: So it's a huge portion that they don't want to
Speaker 1: give up at all, of course for any.
Speaker 3: Reason, because at that time they started discovering gold, oil, urania,
Speaker 3: and so all of these were resources that they needed,
Speaker 3: and so they were reluctant to give it up, even
Speaker 3: though so technically they didn't really have they didn't really
Speaker 3: have the juror or even the facto control over large
Speaker 3: parts of it. They only controlled they came to really
Speaker 3: control the Urumchi and eastern parts where they had managed
Speaker 3: to you know, send in their troops.
Speaker 2: So like you said, they had the facto or to
Speaker 2: duro rule over it, but they had a figurehead that
Speaker 2: was listed as the for lack of better words to say,
Speaker 2: the governor of and yeah, that was pretty much it does.
Speaker 4: Turkestan have its own military.
Speaker 3: So by nineteen forty six, actually we had an armed
Speaker 3: force of over sixty thousand troops active troops with over
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand reserves, so we had a considerable military.
Speaker 3: In fact, our initial you know, we started off with
Speaker 3: guerrilla warfare in the nineteen forty three to nineteen forty four.
Speaker 3: Then we seized many of the Chinese base is an
Speaker 3: East Turkistan, including air bases, so all of our planes.
Speaker 3: Actually we've had forty two planes that the United States
Speaker 3: had supplied the Chinese nationalists to fight against the Japanese
Speaker 3: and to suppress our uprising, our national liberation war. The
Speaker 3: Chinese had stationed those you know, brought those planes to
Speaker 3: East Takistan and we ended up capturing them.
Speaker 2: So you said after nineteen forty six, So at the
Speaker 2: end of World War two you had a fighting force
Speaker 2: of about sixty thousand. So, and I don't mean for
Speaker 2: this question to be inflammatory, but I am very curious.
Speaker 2: Were any of those a part of the Nazi battalions
Speaker 2: that came from Turkistan. Now, whenever I say this, I
Speaker 2: do not know if it means West or East Turkistan.
Speaker 2: And like you said, there is a distinction between this too. Right,
Speaker 2: we got Kajikistan, Kazakhstan, all these plays that were a
Speaker 2: part of Western Turkistan. So I just learned this today
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, doing a little bit of
Speaker 2: research for the show. There was multiple nations that felt
Speaker 2: that if they would side with the Nazis during World
Speaker 2: War Two, then they might gain independence when the war
Speaker 2: wrapped up. And apparently it started off with God, I
Speaker 2: can't remember his name. He was from India. I want
Speaker 2: to say Pusan or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Indias. He was the Free India Army. He
Speaker 3: was pretty much the Indian independence leader during the during
Speaker 3: the World War two era.
Speaker 2: And so, and this makes sense because Britain at the
Speaker 2: time very cruel to India. So if there's a side
Speaker 2: fighting against Britain, then hey, maybe we'll throw in with them,
Speaker 2: if nothing else, enemy of my enemy. So there was
Speaker 2: actually Indian Nazi regiments that ended up fighting in Europe.
Speaker 2: Apparently there were some that came from Turkistan as well.
Speaker 2: So I don't know it, but like you said, sixty
Speaker 2: thousand right after World War Two, I'm wondering how many
Speaker 2: of these like German training beforehand. But you're saying that's
Speaker 2: not the case.
Speaker 3: Not in our case, because most of the ones that
Speaker 3: were in that ended up becoming the Turkistan Legion. That's
Speaker 3: what that's what it is officially called that you're referring to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were actually from West Turkistan. So they were the
Speaker 3: Soviet Union press at least two to three million Turkic
Speaker 3: peoples in Central Asia into the Soviet Red Army and
Speaker 3: symp them against the Nazis, and so about it was
Speaker 3: estimated about one hundred to two hundred thousand of them
Speaker 3: were captured by the Nazis ended up becoming POWs. And
Speaker 3: then the Nazis were able to turn a couple of
Speaker 3: their commanders, and those commands, and those commanders, you know,
Speaker 3: they're like, if we help you. You know, if you
Speaker 3: fight for us, will help you fight against the Soviet
Speaker 3: Union and get your independence. If not, you're going to die.
Speaker 3: So they weren't really given much.
Speaker 2: About as I say that. Like I said, I didn't
Speaker 2: want that to sound inflammatory, because especially if it's against
Speaker 2: a group who were pressed into service by the Red
Speaker 2: Communist Army, then they get capt by the Nazis, like, oh, look,
Speaker 2: if y'all are down with killing Russian, so are we.
Speaker 2: Like I ain't nothing for me to swap a uniform
Speaker 2: and fight for you. But that does not mean that
Speaker 2: they hailed true to any kind of Nazi ideologies or
Speaker 2: anything of the sort. But like you said, this came
Speaker 2: from West Turkestan, not where you're from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha ours we were under you know, these Chinese
Speaker 3: warlord and the Russian the Soviets were you know, very
Speaker 3: hesitant to get us involved because they thought that we
Speaker 3: would instigate internal rebellions.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So coming back to nineteen forty seven, after this was
Speaker 3: in December of nineteen forty seven, So after failing to
Speaker 3: secure you know, the already promised autonomy which the KMT
Speaker 3: used to actually subvert our independence, our leaders of the
Speaker 3: East Pakistan Republic. They returned back to East Pakistan, they
Speaker 3: withdrew from the coalition government announced it and stated that
Speaker 3: they were going to continue pursuing the completely liberation of
Speaker 3: East Turkistan. And at that time, though the Soviet Union
Speaker 3: began to pull back all of the large scale military
Speaker 3: hardware that it had provided us, and much of that hardware,
Speaker 3: in fact, all of it, we actually paid for it
Speaker 3: in gold. So it's not like the Soviet you know,
Speaker 3: it was like here, here's some you know, hardware, here's
Speaker 3: some weapons, go, you know, fight to Chinese. Now we
Speaker 3: actually paid for it in gold, in uranium, in hundreds
Speaker 3: of thousands of cattle and sheep in exchange for the
Speaker 3: for those weapons.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say too, is this a relatively fertile
Speaker 2: farming area?
Speaker 3: So the northwest of East Takistan, north of East Turkistan
Speaker 3: is Yeah, it's grasslands, agricultural and herding.
Speaker 2: See that might be another reason why China didn't let
Speaker 2: it go, because China people are starving, so if they
Speaker 2: have some sort of a bread basket somewhere, they're going
Speaker 2: to try to do everything they can hold on to it.
Speaker 2: That checks out.
Speaker 3: Even during that time we were we exported a lot
Speaker 3: of cotton to the Soviet Union and to even China.
Speaker 3: So we to this day we supply eighty percent of
Speaker 3: over eighty percent of China's cotton. That's twenty percent of
Speaker 3: global cotton supply. Wow, and our people are being enslaved
Speaker 3: nowadays to create this cotton. But back back then, this
Speaker 3: is this was the uh, you know, the Soviets they
Speaker 3: began withdrawing their advisors and all that, and they wanted
Speaker 3: to essentially Mao had Stalin had you know, kind of
Speaker 3: started entering into an agreement with Mao that you know,
Speaker 3: after you defeat the Chinese Nationalists, I want you to
Speaker 3: take over East Turkistan because the British are still going
Speaker 3: to try to use this territory to you know, put
Speaker 3: Russia on both me and both on China. So this
Speaker 3: was Stalin's strategic thinking. And this is not you know, conspiracy,
Speaker 3: is there anything in that sense. There's public documentation of this,
Speaker 3: recently declassified telegrams between Mao and Stalin discussing this and
Speaker 3: so in by the summer of nineteen forty nine, the
Speaker 3: Chinese national Communists were you know, becoming victorious in the
Speaker 3: Chinese Civil War against the Chinese naturalists. So now there
Speaker 3: was only one problem East Ta Kistan. If Mao tried
Speaker 3: to invade Easter Kistan, we still have a large military,
Speaker 3: we still have a government in place. We were going
Speaker 3: to resist. And Stalin was afraid of that, and especially
Speaker 3: if this occupation of Easter Ekistan didn't happen immediately, because
Speaker 3: Mao's original plan was like I want to take Tibbet
Speaker 3: first and then work my way up and you know,
Speaker 3: take East Pakistan around nineteen fifty three, nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 3: but because Tibet is closer, much closer to China than
Speaker 3: East Pakistan. But some was like, no, the British are
Speaker 3: right down in India. They're still there. Even though by
Speaker 3: that time India and Pakistan had technically gotten their independence,
Speaker 3: they still had influence. And again Stalan's biggest fear was
Speaker 3: that the British would utilize India Pakistan to you know,
Speaker 3: work with us and putting pressure on both the Soviet
Speaker 3: Union and Maos communists China. Right, it was like, you
Speaker 3: need to invade and occupy East Rakistan first, and you
Speaker 3: need to bring the population. There's less than five percent
Speaker 3: Chinese living there right now, you need to bring that
Speaker 3: up to at least thirty percent if you want to
Speaker 3: hold onto this territory.
Speaker 2: And so now they have four settlers start making their
Speaker 2: way across.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So on in August nineteen forty nine, Stalin calls
Speaker 3: the remaining leaders of the East tar Kistan, the top
Speaker 3: senior leaders of the East tar Kistan Republic, including our
Speaker 3: foreign Minister, our Interior Internal Interior, internal affairs minister, our
Speaker 3: defense minister, our chief of staff of our armed forces,
Speaker 3: and their senior staff to al Maati for a meeting.
Speaker 3: And this was apparently in August twenty fourth, nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 3: and then allegedly on August twenty seventh, nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 3: they're playing somehow a plan going from al Maati supposedly
Speaker 3: to Beijing to meet with Mao crashes over Lake balcol
Speaker 3: and all of them are declared dead. Of course, they
Speaker 3: don't declare that they're dead until months later, until China
Speaker 3: actually succeeds in occupying and overthrowing the government the East
Speaker 3: tra Kistan.
Speaker 2: Those strategic plane crashes, they just they just happened, don't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, except the fund that they no none of thes
Speaker 3: we never we don't we don't believe there was an
Speaker 3: actual plane crash. In fact, the MKGBM officer who was
Speaker 3: responsible for Central Asia uh pavels for the Platov who
Speaker 3: actually killed out their assassinations, carried out their assassinations. After
Speaker 3: the fall of the Soviet n in nineteen I want
Speaker 3: to say ninety two or ninety three, he published a
Speaker 3: book called Special Tasks. His name pave Else for the
Speaker 3: Platau and in that in his book he wrote that
Speaker 3: the Easter Trakistan Republic leaders were indeed called to al
Speaker 3: Mahdi and after they were you know, after they refused
Speaker 3: to give up, you know, East to sign away and
Speaker 3: dissolve eastter Nkistan's independence, they were tortured for three days
Speaker 3: and told to you know, issue a declaration, you know
Speaker 3: that East Rakistan's independence is forfeited. We're going to join China.
Speaker 3: And after they refused, he said, they were executed in
Speaker 3: al Madi. Then he says this thing, the plane crash
Speaker 3: was staged as a cover up. Sure to cover that up.
Speaker 3: So and then furthermore, in twenty fourteen, this is like
Speaker 3: almost like sixty plus years since this incident occurred. The
Speaker 3: CIA the classifies documents reports from those era and in
Speaker 3: the CIA report. It states that the Soviet intelligence carried
Speaker 3: out a further assassination of thirty senior military and political
Speaker 3: officials of the East tar Kistan Republic in September of
Speaker 3: nineteen forty nine to prevent any effective resistance again to
Speaker 3: planned Chinese Communist vision. So on October first, nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 3: out of all the cabinet members of the East Kistan Republic,
Speaker 3: only one survived, the one who didn't attend the meeting
Speaker 3: in Almati, and he was the Education minister, and he
Speaker 3: was essentially the Soviet Union's agent within our government. So
Speaker 3: they sent him to Beijing to meet with Mao, and
Speaker 3: on October first, nineteen forty nine, the Chinese Communists declared
Speaker 3: the People's Republic of China. Then eleven days later, on
Speaker 3: October twelfth, nineteen forty nine, they started invading eastter Ta Kistan,
Speaker 3: and then Soviet planes started airlifting Chinese troops into East
Speaker 3: ya Kistan as well to facilitate the quicker occupation. And
Speaker 3: then on December twenty second, nineteen forty nine, the government
Speaker 3: of the East tar Kistan Republic was forcibly overthrown and
Speaker 3: it's military it's armed forces was incorporated into the PLA's
Speaker 3: fifth Army as the fifth Army.
Speaker 2: Wow. And so that's pretty much where we stand today.
Speaker 3: Yes, so since December twenty second, nineteen forty nine. This December,
Speaker 3: like next week or this coming Sunday or next Monday,
Speaker 3: will actually mark seventy six years since China officially occupied
Speaker 3: these Trakuistan.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's a very interesting history of how this has happened,
Speaker 1: and now it's just been Is there any kind of
Speaker 1: rebel forces that are wanting to try to overthrow the
Speaker 1: occupation or is there any kind of military that you
Speaker 1: guys like you guys are trying to put together or
Speaker 1: anything that you guys are trying to do to be
Speaker 1: able to get out from underneath them.
Speaker 3: At the current moment, unfortunately, we don't have any you know,
Speaker 3: armed force that is trying to actually liberate easta Kistan
Speaker 3: in a military capacity.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, China rules their people with an iron fist,
Speaker 2: and as far as they are concerned, this is China.
Speaker 3: So we haven't been able to have any real armed
Speaker 3: resistance against China since really the late nineteen nineties, so
Speaker 3: initially after the after overthrowing the Independent e' s Tar
Speaker 3: Kistan Republic the Chinese government engages in. You know, there
Speaker 3: was resistance even though they killed off a lot of
Speaker 3: our military and political leaders, that are still resistance by
Speaker 3: other leaders and low ranking officers of our military who
Speaker 3: refused to accept the Chinese occupation and between the first
Speaker 3: five years, during the first five years of occupation, according
Speaker 3: to the Chinese government's own state media, from nineteen March
Speaker 3: of nineteen fifty four, they announced that the PLA had
Speaker 3: since quote liberation because China calls this deliberation of East
Speaker 3: tar Kistan or the liberation of Shinjong as they call it.
Speaker 3: Of course, that theyally liberated it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the super good guys here.
Speaker 3: But in nineteen March of nineteen fifty four, they announced
Speaker 3: that they killed one hundred and fifty thousand so called
Speaker 3: counter revolutionaries and enemies of the Chinese state or enemies
Speaker 3: of China, those who resisted the occupation and then to
Speaker 3: solidify its occupation. Because nineteen fifty four marks about five
Speaker 3: years since China, you know, started marching in Teast Takistan.
Speaker 3: So the education minister you remember from the East Turkistan Republic,
Speaker 3: he became the topic governor of East Takistan. That was
Speaker 3: the agreement that he made with Mau and in fact,
Speaker 3: according to his claims and rumors what he told others,
Speaker 3: he had entered into an agreement with Mao to where
Speaker 3: the Chinese communists would help develop East Ta Kistan into
Speaker 3: a socialist society and then they would withdraw within five years.
Speaker 3: And in fact, during those times, in the initial invasion,
Speaker 3: the Chinese people, the elder people in our country, remember
Speaker 3: seeing the pla, you know, marching with sllions and slogan saying,
Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna help, you know, defeat the foreign
Speaker 3: imperialist forces here. We're gonna help set up a socialist
Speaker 3: society and we will leave. Even in the propaganda videos
Speaker 3: from those eras, even in the movies you know that
Speaker 3: they made in the nineteen fifties and sixties, they stay
Speaker 3: the same thing. You know, this is your land. We're
Speaker 3: just here to help you develop it. We will shortly.
Speaker 1: How many people how many Chinese people are there living now, like,
Speaker 1: how how many have they moved in or have been
Speaker 1: there for generations?
Speaker 4: Are you guys still holding a least strong or.
Speaker 1: Is it more or less like mixed heavily or what's
Speaker 1: kind of pockets?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been heavily colonized, especially the north. So in
Speaker 3: nineteen forty nine.
Speaker 2: The north where the gold and the uranium are located.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, nineteen forty nine, the Chinese there were two
Speaker 3: hundred thousand Chinese, and now two hundred thousand Chinese was
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand of mouth troops, eighty thousand remnants of
Speaker 3: the KMT who folded it into you know, the Chinese
Speaker 3: nationalists who were like, rather than you know, fighting you know,
Speaker 3: rather than fighting against the Chinese nationalists, communists joined forces
Speaker 3: with them, so that that was the Chinese nationalist forces.
Speaker 3: So they merged. So that's one hundred and eighty thousand
Speaker 3: troops right there, and then there was about twenty thousand
Speaker 3: Chinese you know, administrative, civil servants, their families, et cetera.
Speaker 3: So less than two hundred thousand Chinese. And in fact,
Speaker 3: you know, in the documentation, in the letter that Stalin
Speaker 3: had written, he said, there's the Chinese don't even make
Speaker 3: up five percent. There's less than five percent Chinese here. However,
Speaker 3: it's looking at historical data from that period. The Chinese
Speaker 3: didn't even make Actually, the more realistic number was they
Speaker 3: didn't even make up two to three percent of the population.
Speaker 3: And that's if we include the occupation forces, right, the
Speaker 3: sold their families that were there the Wars made up
Speaker 3: over ninety percent of the population. So the Oars are
Speaker 3: the as I mentioned, the ethnically Turkic people of East Turkistan,
Speaker 3: who the non nomadic, the non nomadic Turkic population of
Speaker 3: East Trakistan who have actually been living there according to
Speaker 3: the latest you know, archaeological and genetic data. Because you
Speaker 3: might have heard things in the news reports like oh,
Speaker 3: ancient you know, white mummies of ancient China. You might
Speaker 3: have seen like that. So those are actually the ancestors
Speaker 3: of the Wars.
Speaker 2: So it's not a white mummy, that's a a we're
Speaker 2: a Muslim that was found in what is now considered
Speaker 2: Chinese territory, but it's not actually got you.
Speaker 3: So there, the Chinese government actually conducted, along with you know,
Speaker 3: partnering with the US and a couple of other governments,
Speaker 3: conducted DNA analysis of our population as a whole. So
Speaker 3: they got a thousand plus samples from various parts of
Speaker 3: East Turkistan and try to analyze our genetic data. And
Speaker 3: this was done in two thousand and eight, and so
Speaker 3: they found out that the overwhelming majority of our people
Speaker 3: were actually our people were made up of two main
Speaker 3: ethnic groups. Two main groups. One is the Indo European
Speaker 3: population and then the other is Northern Eurasian, which is
Speaker 3: the Turkic population. And they said the initial intermixing happened
Speaker 3: around anywhere from twenty three hundred to nine hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: But the south is predominantly more Indo European and the
Speaker 3: waters or our ancestors have apparently been living there since
Speaker 3: the end of the Ice Age, so it was like
Speaker 3: an isolated population that's been living there since the time
Speaker 3: of the end of the Ice Age, according to the
Speaker 3: latest data.
Speaker 2: So I remember hearing in the news, I feeling maybe
Speaker 2: two years ago, maybe even less than that, there was
Speaker 2: like a five hundred wiger Muslims beheaded by Buddhist monks
Speaker 2: and in China, and I remember hearing this like you
Speaker 2: don't typically hear Buddhist monks going on the war path
Speaker 2: against anybody for the I mean, at least not in
Speaker 2: modern history. But then we heard about them beheading these
Speaker 2: these Muslims that were living in China. There were so
Speaker 2: many follow up questions that came off of that, like
Speaker 2: for one, why is there a Muslim population in China?
Speaker 2: I thought that they were very openly non religious as
Speaker 2: per the communist rules and things. Do you know more
Speaker 2: about the backstory of that incident?
Speaker 3: Actually, I think you're confusing the Rhinia who Rhinia Muslims
Speaker 3: in Myanmar or Burma, And that was actually the Burmese
Speaker 3: monks who carried that out against the Rhia.
Speaker 2: So they do have a genocide going on against the
Speaker 2: Rhenia as well. But I swore it was Wigers in China.
Speaker 2: Am I am I completely off base.
Speaker 3: Here, No, No, it's it's this is not about that,
Speaker 3: but ours is. You know, China's committing genocide as well,
Speaker 3: in a much more sophisticated, much more brutal faction. And
Speaker 3: so I'll come to that. So in nineteen fifty five
Speaker 3: for to suppress our you know, when Sin was like hey,
Speaker 3: as easy as his name, the interior, the education minister.
Speaker 3: So it's a time to you know, pack up and go.
Speaker 3: So Mao installed and created the Shinjong Production construction course.
Speaker 3: So it's a Chinese paramilitary force. The best comparison of
Speaker 3: this would be like comparing it to the Dutch East
Speaker 3: India Company. So it doesn't answer to the autonomous region.
Speaker 3: It's completely independent from the local government. It answers directly
Speaker 3: to Beijing, and its sole purpose is to colonize Ease
Speaker 3: Cirkistan and to suppress any descent, any descent. So in
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty five, China mouth was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'll give you guys, autonomy, and the Chinese wanted to
Speaker 3: call easter Kistan. They're like, because we're like, stop calling this,
Speaker 3: you know Shinjong. You know, we don't. We want our
Speaker 3: independence back. So males like, I'll give you autonomy, we'll
Speaker 3: call you the Shinjong Autonomous Region. So again that education minister,
Speaker 3: who's our the the facto governor, even though he's a puppet,
Speaker 3: he protested against that, and he said, autonomy is not
Speaker 3: given to mountains or rivers. Autonomy is given to a people,
Speaker 3: So you need to give autonomy to our people. Call
Speaker 3: it lot autonomous region. Remove Shinjong. Mao refused to remove
Speaker 3: the Shinjong term, and you know, continued and said, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll call it the Shinjong Autonomous Region. Despite that, fifty
Speaker 3: one senior leaders of the so called autonomous region, senior
Speaker 3: leaders as in our own people initially we had some
Speaker 3: fake autonomy like that autonomy and paper. We still our
Speaker 3: officials still had positions, right, senior positions. So fifty one officials.
Speaker 3: They sent a joint letter along with the delegation to
Speaker 3: Beijing rejecting the unilateral autonomy in nineteen fifty seven, stating that,
Speaker 3: you know, autonomy is not working out for us. We're
Speaker 3: completely different people. We're not Chinese. You know. You guys
Speaker 3: are you know, abusing this autonomy to try to colonize
Speaker 3: our plan. Your forces are engaging in massacres of our people.
Speaker 3: This is not acceptable. We want to restore our independent
Speaker 3: East aar Kistan Republic. Right, And so Joe and Lai
Speaker 3: who is the essentially the you know premier at the time,
Speaker 3: like the prime minister, you could say, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll discuss this with now, because that's who they were
Speaker 3: able to meet. You just go back on and I'll
Speaker 3: follow up with you. When they came back, they were
Speaker 3: all perched when they came back to East Turkistan.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Then during the nineteen sixties the Sign of Soviets split happened,
Speaker 3: So the Soviet Union and China, you know, they split,
Speaker 3: the Communists China they split in their alliance. It was
Speaker 3: bound to happen, and they began competing against one another
Speaker 3: and the Soviet Union. Our leaders at that time were
Speaker 3: remnants of you know, the survivor and leadership of the
Speaker 3: East Tarkistan Republic, including military leadership who still held positions
Speaker 3: as you know, high senior level positions in the Autonomous government,
Speaker 3: the Autonomous region government. They started to you know, take
Speaker 3: advantage of this to use the pretext of a pending
Speaker 3: Soviet invasion or an impending Soviet invasion to literally arm
Speaker 3: our entire population. So officially, the Education Minister was the
Speaker 3: chairman of our government. The vice chairman was the political
Speaker 3: the general of the Political Affairs Department of the East
Speaker 3: Trakistan Republic's National Army vice chairman, and he was also
Speaker 3: the deputy commander of the so called Shinjog Military District,
Speaker 3: which is responsible for all PLA forces in East pa Kistan. So,
Speaker 3: using the fear of that the Soviets are going to
Speaker 3: invade us because they're a kind of a couple of
Speaker 3: border classes happened. They were able to arm our population.
Speaker 3: And I remember you, my grand my parents, my grandparents
Speaker 3: talking about this, how they had an opportunity but This
Speaker 3: is during the heart of the Cultural revolution. Everyone is
Speaker 3: literally starving. You know, people are dying from you know,
Speaker 3: man made fan and by maw right. So and because
Speaker 3: they can't openly stay oh, you know, start fighting against
Speaker 3: you know, the Chinese invaders. They use code words like,
Speaker 3: you know, free yourselves from the you know, the the
Speaker 3: the pigs that have infested your lands. Free yourselves from
Speaker 3: those who are enslaving you. You know, shoot and kill,
Speaker 3: kill the dogs and the pigs. And our people literally
Speaker 3: took that literally instead of understanding the real meaning. And
Speaker 3: then by nineteen sixty nine, the Easter Exton People's Revolutionary Party,
Speaker 3: which is it was a Marxist part party created by
Speaker 3: you know, our members of our government to take advantage
Speaker 3: of that, to try to solicit Soviet support, but also
Speaker 3: to push back against, you know, because China is a
Speaker 3: communist state. And they're like, oh, we're not you know,
Speaker 3: we're not imperialists. We're not you know, colonialists. We came
Speaker 3: to liberate you. We're like, okay, we're in a communist
Speaker 3: Marxist party too. What you're doing is textbook imperialism and colonialism,
Speaker 3: and we are here to liberate our people from your
Speaker 3: Chinese colonialism and imperialism, so they were preparing for a
Speaker 3: large skill armed uprising, and unfortunately Chinese intelligence networks, spies
Speaker 3: and informant within our own people led to this organization
Speaker 3: being you know, uncovered by the Chinese intelligence and then
Speaker 3: the leader in nineteen of nineteen seventy, it came crashing
Speaker 3: after a failed, you know, premature attempt at an armed uprising,
Speaker 3: even though it's supposed to be delayed a little bit
Speaker 3: because of Chinese intelligence, became premature, and so they crushed
Speaker 3: one faction or one cell of the organization. And then
Speaker 3: in May of nineteen seventy, the Chinese intelligence had learned
Speaker 3: that it was indeed the vice chairman of the so
Speaker 3: called we Were Autonomous Region, who was also the deputy
Speaker 3: commander of the military district. He was in the head
Speaker 3: of this organization. So they arrested him and they executed
Speaker 3: him in a military hospital after torturing him, and then
Speaker 3: with that the entire organization dissolved. Then there was periodic resistance,
Speaker 3: you know, mostly protests and some small scale you know,
Speaker 3: armed activities against Chinese PLA forces throughout the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 3: In the nineteen eighties, it was actually, a lot of
Speaker 3: people have been person In nineteen seventies, a lot of
Speaker 3: people have been in prison. So by the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 3: some of these people are coming out of In the
Speaker 3: sixties and seventies, a lot of people had been in prison.
Speaker 3: So by the nineteen eighties, some of these people are
Speaker 3: coming out of prison. So one of those people is
Speaker 3: like my own, my father's uncle. He had he had
Speaker 3: been arrested in the sixties in trying to create too,
Speaker 3: in trying to mount an armed uprising against the PLA,
Speaker 3: And so my father never got to know his uncle
Speaker 3: until he came out of prison. So these people that
Speaker 3: are suddenly coming out of prison, they began teaching the
Speaker 3: younger generation. So, you know, we used to have a country,
Speaker 3: we used to be independent. This is what happened, this
Speaker 3: is why we were in prison. And so they got
Speaker 3: all excited. You had a bunch of teenagers trying to
Speaker 3: engage in our armed uprisings in the eighties. And you know,
Speaker 3: like even if you look at Chinese intelligence reports, most
Speaker 3: of the mass protests and attacks against Chinese military compounds
Speaker 3: were carried out by teenagers as young as twelve years old.
Speaker 3: Up to seventeen eighteen. My own my own father, he
Speaker 3: got he got kicked out of school because he he
Speaker 3: went around town in our hometown and putting up you know,
Speaker 3: flyers at night staying you know, Chinese invaders get out
Speaker 3: of my country. So he eventually got caught and he
Speaker 3: got expelled from the school in the ninth grade. So
Speaker 3: that was as far as his education went. Then the
Speaker 3: Soviet Union nineteen ninety, the Soviet Union began to you
Speaker 3: know shake and splinter. The last actual armed uprising in
Speaker 3: Eastern Kistan. Major armed uprising occurred in April fifth of
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety and actually they were planning since the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: Since late nineteen eighty eight, an organization was being formed
Speaker 3: to called the Eastern Kistan Liberation Organization, modeled off of
Speaker 3: the original Eastern Kistan Liberation Organization of nineteen forty three,
Speaker 3: which led on to create the second Eastern Kistan Republic,
Speaker 3: and its goal was to you know, restore the independent
Speaker 3: Eastern Kistan Republic for the third time. But again Chinese
Speaker 3: intelligence began to use its informants and they figured that
Speaker 3: out by nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety, and so they
Speaker 3: also had to prematurely organize, you know something, even though
Speaker 3: their preparation wasn't ready. So it started off as a
Speaker 3: you know, they're like, let's at least try to do
Speaker 3: this peacefully. Let's try to organize a peaceful demonstration. See
Speaker 3: see how they respond, because we don't want the international
Speaker 3: community to, you know, think that, oh, we're just out
Speaker 3: here to do something crazy. See, let's let's show the
Speaker 3: world that the true nature of China. So they organized
Speaker 3: the peaceful demonstration against the mass sterilizations and abortions in
Speaker 3: of our of our women. There were two hundred plus
Speaker 3: abortions in one township and in Bodern and so they
Speaker 3: organized a demonstration and.
Speaker 2: Those forced abortions, correct abortions. Yeah, and this is this
Speaker 2: is before China's one child policy took effect.
Speaker 3: Correct, China's one child policy was taking effect in really
Speaker 3: around the same time. Nineteen eighty nine is when they
Speaker 3: started implementing the one child policy.
Speaker 1: So that's the law with your people as well. They
Speaker 1: implemented across the whole board.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, now they've relaxed for the Chinese, but for
Speaker 3: us it's now it's like a zero child policy. And
Speaker 3: I'll get into that in a little bit. Wow, they've
Speaker 3: protested against the forest abortions at the local township, and China,
Speaker 3: of course, how we always know it, they respond with
Speaker 3: brutal force, start shooting, and so they knew this was
Speaker 3: going to happen. So they're like, okay, now we have
Speaker 3: the justification to engage and open armed uprising. So they
Speaker 3: took over the government compound and then in response, the
Speaker 3: Chinese government sent over twenty thousand troops. Even though this
Speaker 3: entire the township, like the five towns around it combined
Speaker 3: population is about ten fifteen thousand people, so they used
Speaker 3: overwhelming force. They sent air strikes because initially they sent
Speaker 3: the convoy of people's armed police forces of them and
Speaker 3: they got ambushed and their weapons were seized by our forces.
Speaker 3: Good the rebel. Then they realized that if they got
Speaker 3: into a you know physical land in you know, firefight,
Speaker 3: they were going to lose. So they resorted to helicopter
Speaker 3: gunship attacks, bomb air, aerial bombardment, and artillery strikes and
Speaker 3: you know, kill thousands of people. Officially, China claims that
Speaker 3: only you know, several dozen people died, but.
Speaker 2: Mostly peaceful air bomb raids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Western humanitarian.
Speaker 2: Right, They were dropping humanitarian aid. Oh yeah, you could
Speaker 2: already just see how that headline was going to read.
Speaker 2: No doubt.
Speaker 3: Western sources from that era at that time they estimated
Speaker 3: that around sixteen hundred at least sixteen hundred people were killed.
Speaker 3: The Chinese government immediately after that, within several days after this,
Speaker 3: because they crushed it went from on from April fifth
Speaker 3: to April tenth. They crushed it on April tenth, then
Speaker 3: immediately they began to they were by the end of
Speaker 3: April tenth, they claimed that they arrested seventy six seventy
Speaker 3: six hundred people connected to this uprising because while that
Speaker 3: uprorising was happening, people in other parts of the country
Speaker 3: heard about it, and they were trying to engage in
Speaker 3: mass protests in support of the uprising. So that was
Speaker 3: the last major uprising.
Speaker 2: All of that group, how many of them were purged.
Speaker 3: I mean essentially all of them died. There was like
Speaker 3: two hundred two hundred fighters and they all died in
Speaker 3: that conflict.
Speaker 2: For me, have the prisoners they took you said seventy
Speaker 2: six hundred prisoners.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they took seventy six the rusted seventy six hundred
Speaker 3: so called separatists from April to July nineteen ninety and
Speaker 3: then the next year. By the end of that year,
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union began to fall. So this gave even
Speaker 3: more because the the independence of the western former West
Speaker 3: Trakistan inspired hope for our people and many we have
Speaker 3: a large daspro there as well in Central Asia, Kazakhstan, Krakistan, Pakistan,
Speaker 3: so forth. So this led to you know, cooperation and
Speaker 3: coordination between our people in Daspor and those in East Turkistan,
Speaker 3: and we began to you know, advocate for independent independence
Speaker 3: openly on the international stage, but explicitly making it clear
Speaker 3: that you know, our struggle is solely about national liberation
Speaker 3: and you know it's not about you know, extremism or
Speaker 3: anything like that. But China was going to start propagating,
Speaker 3: in fact propagate that until after. So by nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 3: several mass demonstrations occurred across the East tra Kastan. More
Speaker 3: and more people started calling for an independent Eace Turkistan.
Speaker 3: Large scale acts of civil disobedience began to occur, and
Speaker 3: then there were you know, small raids and clashes with
Speaker 3: Chinese security forces and Weiger militants in the East Takistan
Speaker 3: and along the Kyrgyzstan Kazakhstan border of East Traakistan. So
Speaker 3: in response to this, China's uh polt Buro Standing Committee,
Speaker 3: the Central Committee, the top seven members of the of
Speaker 3: the of the you know, top seven members of the
Speaker 3: cc HE they held the top secret meeting in March
Speaker 3: sixteenth of nineteen ninety six in Bejing on stability maintenance
Speaker 3: in Eastern Kistan, and their Chinese Premier President or the
Speaker 3: head of the CCP, Jngsan Men at the time, he
Speaker 3: highlighted that national separatism was the biggest threat to you know,
Speaker 3: Chinese control over Eastern Kistan and the CCP's control over
Speaker 3: China as a whole. They accused in the document, they
Speaker 3: accused the US counter revolutionary forces led by the United
Speaker 3: States of supporting separatists to engage in sabotage activities against China.
Speaker 3: So that was that they the ten point directive to
Speaker 3: crush our independence movement, and that tin point Directive, which
Speaker 3: is called Document number seven of nineteen ninety six, included
Speaker 3: everything from boosting, you know, ramping up Chinese military forces
Speaker 3: in East Tarkistan, you know, settling more Chinese colonists into
Speaker 3: East t ra Kistan, to engaging in propaganda infiltration, winning
Speaker 3: over most of our diaspora organizations to China's side, and
Speaker 3: then marginalizing and eliminating those who refused to give up
Speaker 3: on independence. To using all means this is the most important.
Speaker 3: Moon used all means necessary to prevent the internationalization of
Speaker 3: the East Tarkistan problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see right here, I'll pulled it up. So
Speaker 2: Document number seven in nineteen ninety six refers to a
Speaker 2: top secret directive issued by the Standing Committee of the
Speaker 2: Pollard Burrow of Chinese Communist Party CCP that outlined a
Speaker 2: comprehensive plan for intensified security and control measures in the
Speaker 2: jing Chan region. Which is like you're saying that's East Turkistan. Wow,
Speaker 2: that is this is insane. Like this isn't like some
Speaker 2: sort of a thing that's like super you know, this
Speaker 2: isn't like a conspiratorial thing that like you don't really
Speaker 2: know much about. Like this is this is something that's
Speaker 2: very open source. At this point. It talks about intensified
Speaker 2: religious controls. Interesting it says the document mandata that the
Speaker 2: shutdown of unauthorized religious schools and quote unquote underground mosques
Speaker 2: and increased state administration over all religious communities and activities
Speaker 2: to ensure they remained independent of foreign control. And by
Speaker 2: foreign they mean organic East Turkestan, but by China's definition
Speaker 2: that would be foreign Okay. Reinforcement of security. It called
Speaker 2: for wholesale reinforcement of military and security preparedness, including strengthening
Speaker 2: public safety, national security, court and judicial branches to effectively
Speaker 2: fight separatism and quote unquote sabatine opportunities the quote unquote
Speaker 2: Strike Hard campaign. The directive coincided with the launch of
Speaker 2: a severe Strike Hard or ya Da or Yanda campaign
Speaker 2: across China in April nineteen ninety six, which was specifically
Speaker 2: extended to jin Chan to target ethnic splittists and illegal
Speaker 2: religious forces wow. This campaign resulted in thousands of arrests
Speaker 2: and executions and then the transitional repression. The policy also
Speaker 2: included directives to strengthen investigation and study outside the border
Speaker 2: to prevent outside separatist forces from making these so called
Speaker 2: Eastern Turkestan problem international. This has been linked to the
Speaker 2: long term strategy of transitional repression against the weaker diaspora. Again,
Speaker 2: this is all open source. This is this is something
Speaker 2: that any of our listeners could go and look up
Speaker 2: for themselves. This isn't you know, it's some sort of
Speaker 2: a fringe theory. This is by their own emission exactly
Speaker 2: what they were doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that is essentially laid down the foundation or
Speaker 3: the blueprint for the genocidal policies that were to follow.
Speaker 3: So what if you from that? What is China's biggest fear?
Speaker 3: National separatism? Another means our independence movement, right, and what
Speaker 3: is worried about our independence movement becoming recognized and supported internationally.
Speaker 3: So it specifically called for, you know, using propaganda, infiltration
Speaker 3: and killings to to undermine it. So this is you know,
Speaker 3: reported in nineteen ninety six. This is what the puppet
Speaker 3: chairman of the Autonomous Region at that time stated. So
Speaker 3: what does China do? China also co opts governments, not
Speaker 3: just our diaspora community, but governments, especially in neighboring Central
Speaker 3: Asia like Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, as well as you know, Turkey.
Speaker 3: Because all of these countries are ethnically Turkic, we have
Speaker 3: a large daspara community. There are the Asper independence organizations,
Speaker 3: many of them are based in these countries, So China
Speaker 3: co ops them and you might have heard something called
Speaker 3: the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. This was after Document number seven.
Speaker 3: This is when China sets up the Shanghai Cooperation Organization
Speaker 3: initially known as the Shanghai Five Organization, specifically with the
Speaker 3: intent to fight against the three evils of so called
Speaker 3: separatism extremism, and then they later added terrorism after you know,
Speaker 3: nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Of course, if it's a if it's an inherently Muslim area,
Speaker 2: that terrorism work can get thrown on there so easily
Speaker 2: to make it seem however they want in their media.
Speaker 3: So you like, you'll see articles from nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 3: ninety seven, ninety eight, who was like some articles are
Speaker 3: titled like ancient Warriors who defeated Alexander the Great Fields,
Speaker 3: China's cosh or wigers demand their independence, you know, vigers
Speaker 3: are you know, refusing to suffer the fate of the Tibetans,
Speaker 3: stuff like that, headlines, yeah, highlighting our independence movement. And
Speaker 3: at that time, China began to after Document number seven,
Speaker 3: especially starting in nineteen ninety seven, China began to state that, oh,
Speaker 3: this is not an independence movement, this is a global
Speaker 3: jihadist movement. This is you know, they're these these weaker
Speaker 3: separatists are linked to global jihadis like al Qaeda.
Speaker 2: Has the has there been any and I understand I'm
Speaker 2: asking you to dime out your people if this is
Speaker 2: a true statement. Has there been any thread of truth
Speaker 2: to having a weaker and ji hottiest connection?
Speaker 3: So yes, because Chinese intelligence created this.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not talking about by the Chinese media
Speaker 2: because because I don't believe a word that comes out
Speaker 2: of there by.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, so this is the thing. So document number seven happens.
Speaker 3: They like they launched the Strike Hard campaign in April
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six. Within by nineteen ninety seven, one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand arrests. One hundred thousand people have been arrested as
Speaker 3: ethnic separatists or ethnic spluidist, national separatists, et cetera. But
Speaker 3: co conveniently, while many people are being arrested, certain islam
Speaker 3: mist extremists, this is the Chinese government's terminology, are being
Speaker 3: let out of prison while the nationalists are being in prison.
Speaker 3: And guess where these people, these handfulists, like not even
Speaker 3: like a dozen of them are released. We believe that
Speaker 3: they were Chinese intelligence operatives actually, and they are sent
Speaker 3: off into Pakistan. And if you know anything about Pakistan
Speaker 3: and China's relationship since Pakistan, you know, since the nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty China fifties, Pakistan and China's relationship is an all
Speaker 3: out whether ally partnership. Yeah, there are allies and everything.
Speaker 3: So this group of people led by Hassan Mahsum that's
Speaker 3: his name, they end up like less than a dozen ubars,
Speaker 3: end up initially traveling to Beijing. So you really wouldn't let.
Speaker 2: You know, these violent extremists immediately go to your capital city,
Speaker 2: no red flags there. Then they go to Pakistan, which
Speaker 2: just like you said, Pakistan and the Chinese government, Yeah,
Speaker 2: their history has been a little whatever, but especially if
Speaker 2: you look at the Belton rode in issues that was
Speaker 2: going straight through Pakistan, they are super friendly with your boys, Gi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and no, even back then, like even in the eighties,
Speaker 3: when we will try to flee, you know, to Pakistan
Speaker 3: or in the early nineties, the Pakistanis will immediately capture
Speaker 3: those vials and hand them over to China, and China
Speaker 3: would execute them on the spot.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: In fact, this happened in nineteen ninety six to ninety
Speaker 3: seven as well. But for this group, the sample of individuals.
Speaker 3: Nothing happens to it except they are greeted by the
Speaker 3: Pakistani Islamic Party. And if you know anything about the
Speaker 3: Pakistani is Laming Party would after a decade after this,
Speaker 3: like over a decade after this, it would become revealed
Speaker 3: that the Pakistani is Laming Party and the CCP have
Speaker 3: a strategic partnership agreement. Yeah, and you can it's it's
Speaker 3: public information as well. You can literally Google it and
Speaker 3: type it in and you'll be able to see it.
Speaker 2: So that's the quote unquote ge hottest connection. But like
Speaker 2: you said that, it's completely manufactured start to finish by
Speaker 2: the CCP. But at least on paper, they have that
Speaker 2: thread on the court board just so these people came
Speaker 2: from this Muslim area and then they go to this
Speaker 2: other Muslim country and it looks really bad, even though
Speaker 2: they're the ones that literally sent them there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And the worst part is while our legitimate
Speaker 3: independence movement which in neighboring Central Asia Kazakhstan, Krkistan, they
Speaker 3: are being suppressed. China is pressuring using the Shanghai Five,
Speaker 3: pressuring those governments to suppress them. They carry out a
Speaker 3: bunch of assassinations many of our leaders are killed and
Speaker 3: then the handful of w wars that under Hassan Mahsum
Speaker 3: in Pakistan, they start creating propaganda stating that you know,
Speaker 3: we established the East Turkistan Islamic Party conveniently modeled off
Speaker 3: of the Pakistan Islamic Party, and that our goal. God
Speaker 3: doesn't ask you what you're doing for Islam. I mean
Speaker 3: what you're doing for East Turkistan. God is going to
Speaker 3: ask you what you did for Islam. Nationalism is bad
Speaker 3: to be focusing on nationalism and trying to create an
Speaker 3: independent state. We need to fight against the global infidels
Speaker 3: and create a global Islamic caliphate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the Wakers did not make this
Speaker 2: party up. I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: It's Chinese intelligence operation because if you remember what is
Speaker 3: China most afraid of Document number seven, If you look
Speaker 3: at article one point one, it's states counter revolutionary forces
Speaker 3: led by the United States of America supporting nationalists, separatists
Speaker 3: in sabotage and separatist activities. So the last thing they
Speaker 3: want is the United States or some Western power to
Speaker 3: support our independence movement. And that's the whole thing, is
Speaker 3: to prevent the internationalization of the East Kistan problem. So
Speaker 3: what better way to do it than because Islamic fundamentalism
Speaker 3: is on the rise in that era, is emanating from
Speaker 3: Pakistan and Afghanistan, and global governments are like, hey, Islamic
Speaker 3: fundamentalism is on the rise, this is going to be
Speaker 3: a serious threat. China was like, this is my you know,
Speaker 3: opportunity to wipe them out. In fact, the Guardian in
Speaker 3: its nineteen ninety seven report article it states in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety six Wigers leaders separatists. It says Viager separatist leaders
Speaker 3: met with the State Department. But China has been increasingly
Speaker 3: trying to link Weiger separatism to Islamic fundamentalism, and Western
Speaker 3: experts believe that this is a deliberate attempt in order
Speaker 3: to undermine the independence movement and to deter any to
Speaker 3: prevent you know, international sympathy and support before the causes
Speaker 3: is even known in the international community.
Speaker 2: That's so ridiculous. Like you said, the weaker population are
Speaker 2: not known to be fundamentalists. They are more of the
Speaker 2: aggressive or or somebody even say, the liberal sect of Islam.
Speaker 2: So to say that they have all of a sudden
Speaker 2: started to be a part of the global into fada,
Speaker 2: that's right off of the rip. That sounds ridiculous. But
Speaker 2: then to also mention it in the nineteen ninety six
Speaker 2: and Document seven to say that they were trying to
Speaker 2: prevent America from acknowledging them as a country. That's also
Speaker 2: kind of crazy for a couple of reasons. Right. I mean,
Speaker 2: in the early nineties, anyway, we were kind of getting
Speaker 2: in cool with China. We had a decent trade relationship
Speaker 2: held Joe Biden ak China. Joe, there is speeches that
Speaker 2: he gave where he was telling the American people that
Speaker 2: we need to climb even deeper into bed with China.
Speaker 2: So if anything, they were trying to do whatever China
Speaker 2: wanted at that point to try to make better trade
Speaker 2: deals happen. So the fact they would write that down there,
Speaker 2: they're basically grasping any straw that they can to make
Speaker 2: it look good on paper that what they're doing is
Speaker 2: justified in whatever way they can exactly.
Speaker 3: Exactly, because at that time, the you guys hadn't even
Speaker 3: heard about us remotely in any sense to be able
Speaker 3: to even you know, to help us engage in any
Speaker 3: sabotage activities or any anything like that. But and that,
Speaker 3: and this is precisely what the false flag entity was
Speaker 3: created for. So our leaders in Central Asia are real
Speaker 3: national movement. Immediately they declare that this is you know,
Speaker 3: our leaders at that time said, we believe this guy
Speaker 3: is the Chinese intelligence operative. This is not what our
Speaker 3: movement is about. Our organizations in Central Asia repeatedly made,
Speaker 3: you know, issued joint statements saying our cause has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with Islamic fundamentalism. It's solely about national liberation.
Speaker 3: This entity does not you know this these group of people.
Speaker 3: We believe these are Chinese agents. Yet our nationalist leaders
Speaker 3: that are being picked off one by one assassinated while
Speaker 3: this islam ast part is driving and fun thing. Fun
Speaker 3: fact is and you can find this it's public information
Speaker 3: as well. In February of nineteen ninety eight, the Pakistani Isi,
Speaker 3: Chinese Ministry of State Security, the Chinese Intelligence and the Taliban.
Speaker 3: They hold a trilateral meeting in Kabul in nineteen nine.
Speaker 3: In February of nineteen ninety eight, and they're Mola Omar,
Speaker 3: the leader of the Taliban, he reiterates, the Chinese are like,
Speaker 3: we want you to promise you won't let you know
Speaker 3: viger separatists, et cetera. Use Afghanistan as a base to
Speaker 3: attack us. And he's like, of course not. And so
Speaker 3: China began supplying the Taliban with funds, with technology, specifically
Speaker 3: through Huawei, and you know, start helping them, you know,
Speaker 3: also in many ways through Pakistan.
Speaker 2: And that would make sense as well that the Taliban
Speaker 2: would not be too fond of the Wagers because again
Speaker 2: they are a far fundamentalist group. If anything, they would
Speaker 2: see correct me if I'm wrong here, but fundamentalists Islamists
Speaker 2: would see the Wigers as more or less borderline infidels. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So in fact, the the t I P or
Speaker 3: the et I P it declared our national list leaders
Speaker 3: as infidels and said that you know you're you're being backed.
Speaker 3: They accused our nationalist leaders of being backed by democratic
Speaker 3: infidels and you know, of underlining our religion, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Of course, this is Chinese intelligence operation because if you
Speaker 3: look at Directive number eight, it specifically states, in document
Speaker 3: number seven, it specifically states on point eight, divide engaging
Speaker 3: dialogue with overseas groups, divide divide them marginalized, those who refused,
Speaker 3: you know, the hardcore supportors, those who refuse to give
Speaker 3: up on independence, and these groups they're not They said,
Speaker 3: God is not going to ask us what we did,
Speaker 3: you know, for East Turkistan. God was going to ask
Speaker 3: us what we did for Islam. So our goal should
Speaker 3: be to fight against the entire you know, global infidels
Speaker 3: starting from the United States of America. Literally, this is
Speaker 3: what they said, startings of America, because again China needs
Speaker 3: to portray that, you know, vigers are connected to terrorism,
Speaker 3: international juadis, it's a threat to everyone's country. So all
Speaker 3: other countries needs to support China's efforts to wipe out
Speaker 3: this independence movement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this.
Speaker 3: Happens, and then the the ETIP which was holding you know,
Speaker 3: the small group of Wigers under Asan Mustum, which was
Speaker 3: holding Pakistan by the summer of nineteen ninety eight, they're
Speaker 3: sent off into they're allowed into Afghanistan, and then they're
Speaker 3: aligned guess with who Osama be Lad. It's not a coincidence,
Speaker 3: because again this is just about manufacturing the trail of
Speaker 3: evidence that China will use in the coming years. Then
Speaker 3: this group, you know, they aligned with also another group
Speaker 3: called the Zbekistan Islamic Movement, which was set up the
Speaker 3: same year. Actually because and many people believe that it
Speaker 3: was set up by the Russian intelligence because Azbekistan refused
Speaker 3: to allow the Russians to have a base to maintain
Speaker 3: to keep having a base in their country. So coincidentally,
Speaker 3: after you know, Zbekistan refused, an Islamist group claiming to
Speaker 3: you know, vowing to overthrow the infidel government of Zbekistan
Speaker 3: and replace it with an Islamic government conveniently pops up
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan, and of course they invade. They actually this
Speaker 3: group actually invades Kyrgyzstan, which is right across the border.
Speaker 3: And then the Russians are like, hey, we can mediate
Speaker 3: this for you. We can help you defeat these groups
Speaker 3: if you allow us a base. And of course they're like,
Speaker 3: all right, those countries forces are not exactly up to par,
Speaker 3: so they're like all right, and the Russians airlift those
Speaker 3: I amu Jihadis back to Afghanistan. They still need them
Speaker 3: for their future plans, so they did, oh no coming back.
Speaker 3: So by nineteen ninety eight, the independence movement in Central Asia,
Speaker 3: the legitimate independence movement, is killed off. In Turkey, the
Speaker 3: Turkish government literally sells us in exchange for weapons and
Speaker 3: missile defense technology from China to where they starting in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, they enact a Beijing First policy, and
Speaker 3: they issue a secret directive in nineteen ninety eight even
Speaker 3: banning even because in Turkey they referred to us as
Speaker 3: East Turkistan historically, because we're ethnically Turkic people and the
Speaker 3: people there, you know, support us.
Speaker 2: And that's a big thing for Turkey to acknowledge other
Speaker 2: ethnically Turkic people like that is that's a big deal
Speaker 2: for their culture. So it makes perfect sense that they
Speaker 2: would see you as their Turkic kin in some way,
Speaker 2: shape or form.
Speaker 3: They the Turkic nationalists. They view East Takistan as the
Speaker 3: fatherland of the Turkic People's sure, sure, because this is
Speaker 3: where we this is where the Turks originated from the
Speaker 3: East Turkistan actually, and then spread out across Central Asia
Speaker 3: and ultimately into Anatolia and the tenth eleventh, eleventh century
Speaker 3: or so. So Turkey sells us out quietly. And then
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, this is when Uzbekistan was
Speaker 3: the only one that refused to join the SEO up
Speaker 3: until then, the Shanghai Five, and then after the Eye
Speaker 3: I Am You and the ETP, they merge in in
Speaker 3: May of two thousand and one, and they merge, and
Speaker 3: they rebrand their merger as the Turkistan Islamic Party with
Speaker 3: the goal of establishing an Islamic caliphate in the whole
Speaker 3: of Central Asia. So China then says, see, these weaker
Speaker 3: separatists are threat to all of your national securities. They're
Speaker 3: not just a threat to me. We have a common enemy.
Speaker 3: So they bring that into the fold. Then nine to
Speaker 3: eleven happens. Nine to eleven happens, and immediately China's like,
Speaker 3: we're a victim of East Turkistani terrorism. We've been fighting
Speaker 3: terrorism for decades. And then on November twenty six of
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, at the UN Security Council, China's like,
Speaker 3: we have been a victim of the East of East
Speaker 3: Turkistan terrorist forces led by the ETIM, the so called
Speaker 3: East Turkistan Islamic Movement. This is the first time ever
Speaker 3: that they mentioned that entity. And the reason they mentioned
Speaker 3: this is because one they wanted connected to al Qaeda,
Speaker 3: global jihadism, et cetera. Two they want to demonize all
Speaker 3: our entire independence movement and under one go by it.
Speaker 2: And at that time, man the iron was hot. There
Speaker 2: was the moment to strike and let it be known
Speaker 2: because that was that was the hot button item worldwide
Speaker 2: at that moment, absolutely exactly.
Speaker 3: And so China first time was November of two thousand
Speaker 3: and one, two months after nine eleven. They're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're fighting against you know, East Turkistani terrorist forces led
Speaker 3: by the East Turkistan Islamic Movement.
Speaker 2: And even though all the quote unquote terrorist activities were
Speaker 2: completely manufactured by the CCP and blamed on the East
Speaker 2: Turkestan people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And so they they sub point to the
Speaker 5: handful of hikers under the TP in Afghanistan and they're like, see,
Speaker 5: they're fighting against alongside al Qaeda, they're fighting against NATO forces.
Speaker 2: The ones of the CCP sent there right right.
Speaker 3: So this is to the West. They're like, oh, we
Speaker 3: share a common threat. And so the United States part
Speaker 3: of in fact, China wanted all Eastern extending groups listed
Speaker 3: as terrorists, but the US refused and they're like, well,
Speaker 3: accept the E T I M as a terrorist group.
Speaker 3: If this is the ones that are in Afghanistan, then yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll label them as such. And this was as part
Speaker 3: of the quid quote pro China would not veto the
Speaker 3: US's entrance into Iraq, the US invasion of Iraq, the
Speaker 3: US would recognize the so called e T I M.
Speaker 3: And so when the US did that, China immediately turned
Speaker 3: that propaganda and said the internally into our people and said,
Speaker 3: the United States recognize your independence movement as a terrorist
Speaker 3: organization because again ETIM, remove the Islamic, replace it with independence,
Speaker 3: you get the same thing. Remove independence and replace it
Speaker 3: with Islamic, you still get ETIM. So this was the
Speaker 3: one thing that China use capitalized up ever since, and
Speaker 3: then by two thousand and three, two thousand and two,
Speaker 3: they had virtually killed off our independence movement as a whole,
Speaker 3: to where even saying East Turkistan became criminalized, Like if
Speaker 3: you even use the words East Turkistan, you were a terrorist.
Speaker 3: This is the way that they wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, and they that's still the case to
Speaker 2: this day.
Speaker 3: I assume, yeah, that's that's still the case. I mean
Speaker 3: to this day, they still, you know, like anytime they
Speaker 3: want to demonize us, they're like, oh, you're you're et
Speaker 3: I AM, your ETIM forces. And despite the fact that
Speaker 3: we've repeatedly numerous times you know, even written documented all
Speaker 3: of their lives through it out there. They'll still try
Speaker 3: to propagate that, especially amongst people who aren't unaware. And
Speaker 3: luckily the US in two thousand and twenty. On October
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, d LISTED removed the ETIM from its terrorist
Speaker 3: designation because the US is like, this group doesn't exist
Speaker 3: the Chinese. There's no group ever calling itself the ETIM.
Speaker 3: We've always relied on China on this, but there's no
Speaker 3: group calling it that. However, the GIP is a different group.
Speaker 3: The US was like, we viewed the TIP as a
Speaker 3: different group from the ETIM because China is abusing this
Speaker 3: so called ETIM to delegitimize and label allwigers as terrorists
Speaker 3: and this is not acceptable.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, the Chinese problem has become way more prevalent
Speaker 2: on the American not just the culturals guys, but within
Speaker 2: DC itself. And a portion of that is because of
Speaker 2: Taiwan in the situation that's going on there, without a doubt,
Speaker 2: But it's not like this is the first time that
Speaker 2: this has become a thing. Like you had mentioned earlier, Tibet,
Speaker 2: we could talk about if you just look at a
Speaker 2: map of China and you look at China proper versus
Speaker 2: Chinese occupied territory. There is currently Chinese occupied Mongolia, Tibetpaul Hell.
Speaker 2: India and China they get in a fistfight over border disputes.
Speaker 2: It seems like once or twice a year they start
Speaker 2: bringing like clubs and shit because nobody's willing to fire
Speaker 2: a shot at each other. But that's side conversation. But yeah,
Speaker 2: China has been on this kick for quite some time.
Speaker 2: And then if you look at what's going down right
Speaker 2: now in Burma and Meanmar or excuse me, used to
Speaker 2: be Burma now it's Meanmmar and their civil conflict. And
Speaker 2: you also look like what's going on in Thailand and Cambodia.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if China doesn't use this as
Speaker 2: an opportunity to start pushing into the borders of those
Speaker 2: countries for you know, border security and for the betterment
Speaker 2: of Southeast Asia. They'll they'll listed in propagandas at all
Speaker 2: they want, right, So.
Speaker 3: They're actually that's part of their plan. Yeah, in fact,
Speaker 3: China's like for example, earlier today, I was reading an
Speaker 3: article China supplied. I believe it was Thailand with the
Speaker 3: tanks to fight against Cambodia, and then China supplied Cambodia
Speaker 3: with the anti tank mixles to fight against.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it goes. How do you control the
Speaker 2: war by funding both sides. That's that's the whole plan.
Speaker 2: So they're going to make it a such a bloody
Speaker 2: conflict that they are seen as the heroes for stepping
Speaker 2: in and ending it all. And if they get a
Speaker 2: little land in the conflict, and that's just part for
Speaker 2: the course. But it's like, no, no, that was all
Speaker 2: propagated by them from the beginning. And so the Taiwan
Speaker 2: situation is something that American politics has taken way more
Speaker 2: serious in the last five years than ever before. And
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that as a result of that, the East
Speaker 2: Turkestan conversation can also get taken pretty seriously as well,
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 3: So and so coming to this, this is where we're
Speaker 3: leading up to the genocide. So after nine to eleven,
Speaker 3: China begins, you know, propagating this. They ban our language,
Speaker 3: they ban religious practices, and then in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: November two thousand and nine, at China's National Defense University,
Speaker 3: a Chinese military strategist gives a two hour lecture on
Speaker 3: the future war between the US and China over Taiwan.
Speaker 3: And in that lecture he highlights he states that China
Speaker 3: has the capabilities to take Taiwan now, but there is
Speaker 3: one thing preventing it from doing so. His two major things,
Speaker 3: but one is more major than the other. And he said,
Speaker 3: he asks, you know, his he's briefing Chinese military officials
Speaker 3: intelligence of Fistles, and he asked them, you know, what
Speaker 3: do you think it is? And they all throw out
Speaker 3: different things, and he's like, you're all wrong. The real
Speaker 3: problem is the East Turkistan problem, because if we were,
Speaker 3: he says, if we were, it's.
Speaker 2: On the polar opposite side of the country, and somehow
Speaker 2: East Turkestan is the thing preventing the Taiwan invasion.
Speaker 3: Well, listen to his logic. So and from it like
Speaker 3: you could be like, ah, if you were, you know,
Speaker 3: you could be like Okay, I could. I can understand that,
Speaker 3: because he states, if we were to, you know, go
Speaker 3: to war without resolving the East Turkistan problem completely, the
Speaker 3: US could arm three hundred thousand to half a million
Speaker 3: wears overnight and they would cut off our west to
Speaker 3: east pipelines. So East Turkistan we make up about a
Speaker 3: fifth of the PRC's the territory under the control of
Speaker 3: the PRC. We are the corner. I'll get into the
Speaker 3: Belton Road initiative in a little bit. We we make
Speaker 3: up over forty just around forty to sixty percent of
Speaker 3: China's coal reserves. Thirty percent of their oil and natural
Speaker 3: gas reserves are from East Takistan. East Turkistan's you know,
Speaker 3: provides oil and natural gas to twenty different Chinese provinces.
Speaker 3: We power over one hundred Our electricity powers one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty major Chinese cities, including Beijing, Shanghai, to Guangdong,
Speaker 3: to chang Qing, to all these major Chinese cities over
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty of those across China.
Speaker 2: So it's making a lot more sense why they want
Speaker 2: to keep y'all in the fold, Because China loves their
Speaker 2: coal and they love their liquid natural gas, and they
Speaker 2: gas absolutely.
Speaker 3: From that perspective, he's like, if we were to lose,
Speaker 3: if they were to cut that off, we would not
Speaker 3: be able to sustain that war and we would lose.
Speaker 3: Second reason, he says, the US, as you know, our
Speaker 3: biggest another weakness is that we are relying on the
Speaker 3: Strait of Malacca, which is on the Lane Peninsula. Do
Speaker 3: you know that's where eighty percent of China's trade and
Speaker 3: it's oil and natural gas imports for via sea go
Speaker 3: through the Strait of Malacca and in a Taiwan contingency.
Speaker 3: He states that the US and other nations could team
Speaker 3: up and implement a blockade and we would not be
Speaker 3: able to sustain that. So this is why we have
Speaker 3: to solve the East Turkistan problem immediately. On the surface,
Speaker 3: he states, we're going to play it off as counter terrorism.
Speaker 3: Of course we know that's not true. He states it openly,
Speaker 3: and you can find this on YouTube. It's available on YouTube.
Speaker 3: It's not like you know something that I'm throwing out
Speaker 3: there on YouTube. And he said, this is how we're
Speaker 3: going to play We're going to play it off as
Speaker 3: counter terrorism. Of course we know that's not the truth.
Speaker 3: There's you know, the universal truth is much more different
Speaker 3: than that, but that is what we'll play it off.
Speaker 3: In fact. Then he goes on rants about praising Osama.
Speaker 3: But he goes on ranting and praising Osama bin Laden,
Speaker 3: stating that if Osama bin Laden hadn't kept the United
Speaker 3: States busy for the past eight years, meaning from two
Speaker 3: thousand and one to two thousand and nine. This wouldn't
Speaker 3: have given China the opportunity to develop because the United
Speaker 3: States would have focused on China instead of Osama bin
Speaker 3: Laden and we would not been able to develop. So
Speaker 3: he was like, if the leadership had asked me, you know,
Speaker 3: I would have given awarded Osama bin Laden. I would
Speaker 3: have invited him as an honorary guest to the Olympics
Speaker 3: last year. This is this jet and he's he later
Speaker 3: became the general, the head of the Chinese National Defense University.
Speaker 3: His name is Daishuo. So he's stating that, so they're
Speaker 3: already planning, laying out the groundworks for this. In fact,
Speaker 3: if you look at satellite imagery analysis of China's concentration
Speaker 3: camps in Easter Kistan, the excavation for much of it
Speaker 3: was started in twenty ten twenty eleven. Shortly after this,
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, Chi Jinping comes to power, and what does
Speaker 3: he unveil the Beltlin Road initiative. He says, this is
Speaker 3: you know about connectivity, ensuring trade, you know, connecting China
Speaker 3: to the world, and you know, helping other countries develop,
Speaker 3: et cetera. When in reality, it's part of China's war preparations,
Speaker 3: preliminary war preparations, and that's why they're trying to control
Speaker 3: every major major you know, seaport, landport. This is where
Speaker 3: East Turkistan is extremely vital, because without East Takistan, there
Speaker 3: is no Belton Road initiative, right like you can't have
Speaker 3: the Belton Road initiative without that. So obviously China's fears
Speaker 3: even if we try to initiate this, potentially other countries
Speaker 3: might try to you know, create you know problems here.
Speaker 3: So we need to eliminate these problems.
Speaker 2: So when do they start intering them?
Speaker 3: So, I mean so twenty fourteen is when they start
Speaker 3: doing this the official internment. But by twenty you know,
Speaker 3: starting especially after twenty ten, China had erected you know
Speaker 3: checkpoints all across Easter Kastan, like literally every five hundred meters,
Speaker 3: putting in a ficial recognition cameras, deploying hundreds of thousands
Speaker 3: of troops and you know, preparing the security state apparatus
Speaker 3: to where all they have to do is just start
Speaker 3: rounding up people. But of course China can't do this
Speaker 3: without you know, a legal justification, a terrorist justification, because
Speaker 3: to over the past decades, the international community has not
Speaker 3: buy been buying. It's more fighting against terrorism narrative.
Speaker 2: So now there's a false flag that's about to come
Speaker 2: and hit the stay out exactly.
Speaker 3: So in this is around the time in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: if you remember the Sharan conflict erupts and Hijin Ping visits.
Speaker 3: In twenty twelve, Shi Jin Pin visits Turkey and there
Speaker 3: they discuss two things. In fact, if you look at
Speaker 3: the headlines at that time, you can type in Shijin
Speaker 3: Pink Turkey twenty twelve, February twenty twelve and it says
Speaker 3: she and Arduwan discussed Syria and trade. Then two months later,
Speaker 3: arduwe goes to both East Takistan and the end of China,
Speaker 3: and again the headline is tard one is engaging to
Speaker 3: discuss Syria and trade cooperation on Syria. So what does
Speaker 3: Syria have to do with us? Literally has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with East Turkistan. But for China, this is the
Speaker 3: perfect opportunity get rid of anyone that has the potential
Speaker 3: to resist when you're gonna start rounding them up. Two,
Speaker 3: there's jihadis fighting in Syria, there's isis in Syria. You
Speaker 3: push these people over there, some of them, you push
Speaker 3: them into those groups. Now you have a just terrorist justification.
Speaker 3: What does Turkey benefit from it? Turkey needs cannon fodder
Speaker 3: because it's not Turkish soldiers that are fighting against the
Speaker 3: said regime. It's not Turkish soldiers that are fighting against
Speaker 3: the curtains in Syria. It's jihadist from all across the
Speaker 3: world dying for you know, essentially as you know, proxy assets.
Speaker 3: And so this is the all in one, as the
Speaker 3: Chinese call it, the wind wind solution to both Turkey's
Speaker 3: problem and to China's problem. So, starting in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: they start propagating jihad in Syria inside East Pakistan, and
Speaker 3: the Chinese intelligence pretends it's not aware of this. Then
Speaker 3: they gather thirty thousand people estimated of twenty to thirty
Speaker 3: thousand people and let them leave. If they left them
Speaker 3: leave through Central Asia, it would be too obvious, right
Speaker 3: those countries there because they're part of the SEO. They
Speaker 3: have all the bordering countries, whether it's Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India,
Speaker 3: all of them have agreements. They will immediately deport anyone
Speaker 3: Rus that tried to flee into their country, that try
Speaker 3: to come into their country, they'll hand them over to
Speaker 3: the Chinese immediately. That's part of the seo's agreement.
Speaker 2: Right, And I mean China is really selective on who
Speaker 2: they let leave the country. So they let thirty thousand Uigurs,
Speaker 2: who they are openly at war with internally anyway, after
Speaker 2: they already have called them Islamic terrorists and jihad and
Speaker 2: all this. Now you have banners and propaganda for jihad
Speaker 2: in an area where China is afraid of jihad, and
Speaker 2: now they find a way to smuggle them out of
Speaker 2: the thirty thousand of them out of the country. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not going to raise a red flag to any
Speaker 2: of the CCP checkpoints. What that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, And that's the funny thing. They have checkpoints.
Speaker 3: You can't go from one city to another without hitting
Speaker 3: a checkpoint. But somehow these people miraculously.
Speaker 2: Thirty thousand isn't like one car fool that made it
Speaker 2: through the through the gates.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, and so this is the game that China
Speaker 3: and Turkish intelligence work together on. And so these rulers
Speaker 3: are you know, smuggled out into Southeast Asia through Thailand
Speaker 3: and Vietnam into Malaysia and then rescued by Turkish NGOs
Speaker 3: and bring them to Turkey and then immediately bust them
Speaker 3: off into Syria without even inner rock thing with the
Speaker 3: the the uh WE were organizations in Turkey.
Speaker 2: So they got slaughtered in Syria, I'm assuming because these
Speaker 2: people have no military training or background, they got forced
Speaker 2: into a glorified civil war where there was dirty bombs
Speaker 2: being used, and there was all different types of countries
Speaker 2: that had their hands in this hell. America had drone
Speaker 2: strikes that took place in Syria. Russia had its hands
Speaker 2: in there because it's big naval and air stations are
Speaker 2: in Syria, like it's this was a closter fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So most of them actually like they were used
Speaker 3: as the front line troops, like they were used to
Speaker 3: carry out major attacks against the Assaud regime.
Speaker 2: Absolute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were the ones that you know, the Russian
Speaker 3: aerial bombardments would always hit them. This was this was
Speaker 3: their job.
Speaker 2: And all they had to do was find the paperwork
Speaker 2: on one of these bodies to say, oh, these are
Speaker 2: Wigers from China and this is the connection.
Speaker 3: So no, they go there and they are immediately lumped
Speaker 3: under the Turkistan and Islamic Party. So that's that's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is this is twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, wow. Bye.
Speaker 3: By twenty thirteen, this is happening. And then in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: if you remember in October, in October of twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: there was a bombing at Tanman Square. Yeah, and immediately
Speaker 3: China claim that it was wea were terrorists who did this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, it was this weaker terrorist guy
Speaker 3: with his elderly mom and you know wife. They drove
Speaker 3: four thousand kilometers to Beijing with the Shinjoan license plate
Speaker 3: and that then it's it's yet somehow it still managed
Speaker 3: to enter Beijing, which is virtually impossible because you can't
Speaker 3: even leave East Turkistan without hitting checkpoints. And these guys
Speaker 3: had like you know, explosives and stuff like there's you know,
Speaker 3: the reason they're in Beijing is because Chinese intelligence allowed
Speaker 3: them to there. Yeah, they're in Chanman Square is because
Speaker 3: that was part of the false flag. And so immediately
Speaker 3: they do that and they're like, oh, China's like we're
Speaker 3: victim of terrorism. You know, wigers are fleeing off into Shiria.
Speaker 3: You know, we have a terrorism threat. Yeah, still is
Speaker 3: not believable enough.
Speaker 2: I was in DC at that time as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, So I was stationed in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: From twenty ten to twenty fourteen. I was there in
Speaker 2: twenty twelve when Jijuping came to d C. And then
Speaker 2: I remember hearing about the Tiannaman Square situation in twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen and me being a conspiracy hit. I'm always referencing
Speaker 2: Tianaman Square one point zero, and then you'll still have
Speaker 2: people to this day it's like, yeah, it wasn't really
Speaker 2: a mass sacre like people say it was, you know,
Speaker 2: some college kids, but like nobody really got arrested, nobody
Speaker 2: really got shot. And I'm like, dude, there were piles
Speaker 2: of bodies. They rolled tanks over the bodies. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't really believe that. It's like, so you believe the
Speaker 2: word of the CEA EP over eyewitnesses, Well, how accurate
Speaker 2: are these eyewitnesses? How do you know that's not the propaganda?
Speaker 2: It's like, sure, dude, anything to side with China. For
Speaker 2: some reason, people go with that narrative. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: They're very effective. I mean the Chinese are very effective
Speaker 3: and popping out a lot of you know, propaganda narratives
Speaker 3: on nas scale. So that's that's that's one thing that
Speaker 3: they're actually unfortunately succeeding in. So that was the Chinese
Speaker 3: fall flag because there's no way logistically, there's no way
Speaker 3: that vigers can travel four thousand kilometers, let alone by
Speaker 3: car from East Turkistan to Beijing and enter with a
Speaker 3: Shinjan license plate into the heart of Tiama Square. There's
Speaker 3: no way, especially when you have to stop for gas
Speaker 3: all these different things and you have you know, you
Speaker 3: have explosives in the car, like what you know.
Speaker 2: No way, I mean not even that. I feel like that,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how it is in China, never been,
Speaker 2: but I feel like you pretty much have to show
Speaker 2: your papers or show your driver's license or whatever their
Speaker 2: version of your identification is from province to province or
Speaker 2: state to state or whatever they call their sections.
Speaker 3: By twenty ten, the security state had already been established
Speaker 3: to where you can't go from if you're in East Turkistan,
Speaker 3: you can't go from this city to the next city
Speaker 3: without hitting a checkpoint. Right they search the hell out
Speaker 3: of your car, like literally, they you know, check everything
Speaker 3: in your car, They check you, they check your ID.
Speaker 3: You can't even buy gas. The amount of gas that
Speaker 3: you're allowed to buy. You have to you have to
Speaker 3: show your national ID card and they write down how
Speaker 3: much gas you're allowed to buy.
Speaker 2: And that's in China proper too. That's not just an
Speaker 2: East Turkestan, correct, that's all over the country.
Speaker 3: This is special. Now, this is in the East Turkistan.
Speaker 3: I don't go about China, but this is in East Turkistan.
Speaker 3: Matches were banned an East Turkustan. You can't even buy
Speaker 3: matches because China is paranoid that wiggers are going to
Speaker 3: use the tips to create explosives. So how are you
Speaker 3: able to do this? You know? Is one thing? You know,
Speaker 3: and travel, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If you've got to show your driver's license or whatever
Speaker 2: the version of their credentials are. There's no way that somebody,
Speaker 2: even one hundred miles outside of Beijing, he's gonna see
Speaker 2: somebody with an East Turkestan paperwork and be like, huh, yeah,
Speaker 2: nothing to see here, You're all good. There's no way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they won't even a lot like hotels, not just
Speaker 3: in East Turkistan, but across Anast Turkistan, if you're not
Speaker 3: from that town, they'll they'll immediately, you know, call the
Speaker 3: Public Security Bureau or the local MSS bureau to interrogate
Speaker 3: you and then approve your stay in the hotel. In
Speaker 3: many parts of China they refuse to give hotels to
Speaker 3: anyone that has you know, an ID from you know,
Speaker 3: so called Shinjong. So if you're if you're someone who's
Speaker 3: listed from Shinjong, you can't even find anything checkpoints. You know,
Speaker 3: you'd have to cross dozens of checkpoints to go from
Speaker 3: East Kistan to Beijing. So that's one thing. Then in April, no,
Speaker 3: in March of twenty fourteen, because again what route is
Speaker 3: China using. It's using Vietnam, Thailand to let these wigers out,
Speaker 3: So obviously those countries own it, like Thailand's Vietnam's intelligence
Speaker 3: is going to be like, what the hell is wrong?
Speaker 3: You know, how are these weavers being smuggled out? So
Speaker 3: to make this operation look like it's something else, that
Speaker 3: the eigers are just doing this by themselves, that they're
Speaker 3: mysteriously you know, they're traveling thousands of miles somehow magically
Speaker 3: evading dozens of checkpoints and ending up in you know,
Speaker 3: Guangdong and you know the border areas with Thailand in Vietnam.
Speaker 3: So once this is happening because there are reports, especially
Speaker 3: there was an incident where Taiwanese, uh not Taiwanese, Vietnamese
Speaker 3: border guards you know, shot some wigurs trying to come
Speaker 3: into Vietnam. So China's like, oh, shaid, our operation is
Speaker 3: about to be ruined, So what do we do? False flag?
Speaker 3: They dress up, you know, they have a bunch of
Speaker 3: people dressed up in black cloth carrying a black Islamic
Speaker 3: flag engaging in a knife attack at a train station.
Speaker 3: And immediately this is done by viager terrorists. This was
Speaker 3: their ji hot flag. They were going to you know, jihad,
Speaker 3: et cetera. That's still not enough, the national community is
Speaker 3: still skeptical. Hijinping travels to East Takistan in April twenty
Speaker 3: eighth of twenty fourteen, and this is where he gives
Speaker 3: that famous speech. Absolutely, show no mercy, Lock up those
Speaker 3: who need to be locked up, Uproot them, root and
Speaker 3: branch and destroy them. This is this is where he
Speaker 3: gives that eighteen yeah to twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen fourteen
Speaker 3: April twenty eighth of twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, So this is when the real movement into the
Speaker 2: concentration camps and the mass arrests started really taking place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's about it's about to start. They just
Speaker 3: need that final official justification, that final last pieces of
Speaker 3: their false flags. So Hijin p makes these statements, He
Speaker 3: visits and says, this is the front line on the
Speaker 3: war on terrorism, this is where we're going to fight terrorism. Then, conveniently,
Speaker 3: two days later, after his tour is done, after he's
Speaker 3: given all his special orders, prepared everything, he hops on
Speaker 3: the plate plane to Beijing. Less than two hours after
Speaker 3: his plane takes off, a suitcase bombing happens at the
Speaker 3: train station in the room chie and immediately China's like,
Speaker 3: this was done by we were terrorists. And the video
Speaker 3: that they show is just some persons you can't even
Speaker 3: see their face, just walking in with a suitcase, leaving it,
Speaker 3: walking out, so you don't know who the person is.
Speaker 3: Could be a Chinese intelligence officer planning it leaving. Boom
Speaker 3: explosion happens, and China's like, this is we You're terrorists
Speaker 3: doing it clearly, And then the tip which has been
Speaker 3: holding Afghanistan and Syria. After the Syrian conflict erupted, they
Speaker 3: released a video claiming responsibility, saying, yes, we claimed responsibility
Speaker 3: for that, we did it. That's still not enough because
Speaker 3: a lot of Western experts are like, this doesn't make
Speaker 3: any sense. Why the hell, Like, especially in the last
Speaker 3: year compared to then the history of this conflict, Why
Speaker 3: are weakers all of a sudden, you know, carrying out
Speaker 3: indiscriminate attacks, knowing that this is what would benefit China,
Speaker 3: knowing that it would undermine their cause. Why would they
Speaker 3: do this? Like prior to that they would always focus on,
Speaker 3: you know, Chinese military and security targets. Why is this
Speaker 3: all of a sudden happening? And so you know they
Speaker 3: were like this, there's something off here, still skeptical. So
Speaker 3: in the middle of May, they carry out another false
Speaker 3: flag bombing, this time from a suv. Again, nobody knows
Speaker 3: who dropped the bombs, who threw out the bombs. It
Speaker 3: just happened at a vegetable market. Again only you know,
Speaker 3: in the area, in the vegetable market area in the
Speaker 3: predominantly Chinese to part of town. And then immediately after that,
Speaker 3: China is like, we have a terrorism problem. We have
Speaker 3: to strike hard against terrorism, and they launched the so
Speaker 3: called People's War on Terror. That's the official euphemism for
Speaker 3: the ongoing genocide. And China's own white paper from September
Speaker 3: twenty twenty stated because they denied that they were committing
Speaker 3: you know, they denied that they were sending people to
Speaker 3: concentration camps, et cetera. But by twenty nineteen, when the
Speaker 3: world's got everything and we could literally see those camps
Speaker 3: on satellite imagery from Google Earth, China's like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: we sent one point twenty nine million people every year
Speaker 3: starting in twenty fourteen until the end of twenty nineteen
Speaker 3: to vocational training and re education centers. But now they've graduated,
Speaker 3: they've they've found most of them graduated, and they found jobs.
Speaker 3: The forced labor factories.
Speaker 2: The concentration camps were called vocational education.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow. Initially they called them re educateation centers.
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, that's a little more in line
Speaker 2: with the communist propaganda of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they're like, oh no, this is you know,
Speaker 3: calling it re education centers makes it kind of seem
Speaker 3: a little bit too Orwellian Orwellian, so let's call them
Speaker 3: vocational training. We're providing these people with job training and
Speaker 3: language skills. We're you know, helping them find jobs. That's
Speaker 3: what we're training them for.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So between twenty fourteen until twenty sixteen, the international community
Speaker 3: didn't really until twenty seventeen, the international community didn't do
Speaker 3: anything because again China kept pointing to the Jahabists in Syria,
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan. You know, it's false flying Jahadas. Many of
Speaker 3: those waters themselves are were lured there, like those wars.
Speaker 3: Like I want to say all of them are Chinese
Speaker 3: intelligence operatives or assets. Many of them, I believe we're
Speaker 3: just you know, average naive US who legitimately thought that
Speaker 3: you know, because they were getting they went on promises
Speaker 3: that we're sending you out so you can receive training
Speaker 3: and you will come back one day to liberate East Rakistan.
Speaker 3: That was the narrative that they were fed. But of
Speaker 3: course when they went to Syria, they were decimated. And
Speaker 3: China just keeps their existence only for propaganda because every
Speaker 3: time to this day, the TIP has never carried out
Speaker 3: any actual attacks against Chinese military or security personnel to
Speaker 3: this day, not one.
Speaker 2: So what is the and I know that this information
Speaker 2: is going to be very difficult to even try to
Speaker 2: ballpark range it, right, but we're talking about genocide on
Speaker 2: your people. If you had to guess, what is the
Speaker 2: number of murders that have been committed against the Wiger
Speaker 2: Muslims in China, in East Turkey, Orkistan as of right now,
Speaker 2: at least in the last decade, right, If you're saying
Speaker 2: that like one point five one point nine million per year,
Speaker 2: you said was going to these concentration against.
Speaker 3: Nine million people or which is roughly seven point eight
Speaker 3: million people over the course of you know, six years, and.
Speaker 2: Were these people going to these camps and never coming out?
Speaker 3: Many have never come out. In fact, the ones that
Speaker 3: they are releasing out many people, especially after the international
Speaker 3: community began you know taking you know, paying attention to
Speaker 3: this issue, especially post twenty nineteen. Really in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: China began to let some people out. But those people
Speaker 3: that are coming out are in a vegetative state and
Speaker 3: they're dying within like a week absolutely released. And China's like,
Speaker 3: oh no, you know, they died there on their own,
Speaker 3: or they died from some disease. It's not us. We
Speaker 3: didn't we didn't kill them.
Speaker 2: So we were talking about legitly millions of people being
Speaker 2: murdered in the last twenty years, give or to not
Speaker 2: even you said it started in twenty twenty fourteen and
Speaker 2: now so in eleven years, give or take. I mean,
Speaker 2: is six million a low number.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to say. I don't really know how
Speaker 3: many million of our people have been killed. Sure, but
Speaker 3: what we do know like some numbers. I'll give you
Speaker 3: some numbers that are facts. Kind of his own white
Speaker 3: paper stated roughly seven point eight million people were sent
Speaker 3: to so called vocational re education or vocational training between
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen to twenty nineteen. China's own government states that
Speaker 3: they three and a half million people so called surplus labor,
Speaker 3: have been given jobs. And these are the that are
Speaker 3: being enslaved forced labor. Three and a half million of
Speaker 3: them are being a slave. This is the Chinese governm.
Speaker 3: It's own data, China's own judicial data. We're not talking
Speaker 3: about the extra judicial, because all of these concentration camps
Speaker 3: are extra judicial. China's own judicial records show that five
Speaker 3: hundred seventy eight five hundred wigers have been given prison
Speaker 3: sentence to up to life. And so you might think
Speaker 3: that's not a whole lot, like like, let me put
Speaker 3: this in perspective for you. Five hundred and seventy eight thousand,
Speaker 3: five hundred wiguers we Wars, the whole of East t
Speaker 3: kuist On, China claims, doesn't even make up two percent
Speaker 3: of the total population of all the areas under the
Speaker 3: control of the PRC. China's judicial data shows there's roughly
Speaker 3: one point five million prisoners in China that are judicially imprisoned.
Speaker 2: So a third of them, so over.
Speaker 3: Thirty three percent of them are are just your wars
Speaker 3: wo the ones that have been officially sentenced quite not
Speaker 3: even making two percent of that population. So we have
Speaker 3: the highest incarceration rate in the world in terms of
Speaker 3: a specific people of population. There's nothing you can't find
Speaker 3: any other people or any other group that is as
Speaker 3: highly incarcerated as the Wars. So that's that. Then, China's
Speaker 3: own state media reported that between twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: under the guise of free healthcare checks for all programmed,
Speaker 3: the Chinese government collected the DNA samples, voice prints, and
Speaker 3: retina scans of thirty six million people so called ethnic minorities,
Speaker 3: meaning those who are not Chinese. The Chinese labeled all
Speaker 3: nine Chinese peoples as ethnic minorities in East Turkistan between
Speaker 3: the ages of twelve and sixty five, so thirty six
Speaker 3: million people between the ages of total sixty five, their
Speaker 3: voice prints, DNA scans, retin scans, the DNA samples, retinan
Speaker 3: scans have been collected. What I was trying to do
Speaker 3: it we'll come into that in a little bit. On
Speaker 3: top of that, the Chinese government carried their own records.
Speaker 3: Health records shows that they carried out the forced sterilization
Speaker 3: of over three hundred thousand women. We wore another Turkic
Speaker 3: women whoa again that that might seem like a small number.
Speaker 3: Then their own state media also stated that since nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty nine when they implemented the one child policy, so
Speaker 3: once they started implementing that up until two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: So from nineteen eighty nine up until two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: what's that. Yeah, during that thirty years, they said that
Speaker 3: they prove empted UH three point seven million illegal births
Speaker 3: amongst the ethnic minority populations in so called Chinjong in
Speaker 3: each Takistan, So three point seven millions of our babies
Speaker 3: were forcibly aborted or killed over the course of thirty
Speaker 3: years after two thousand and nine. We don't know. I
Speaker 3: would I would say, based on the previous data, I
Speaker 3: would say, add another million babies that have been potentially
Speaker 3: forcibly aborted.
Speaker 4: So how did they how did they get it? How
Speaker 4: do they do this?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Like did they like when they went into checks, they
Speaker 1: were giving them something to end up, you know, some
Speaker 1: type of medication or like a d n C.
Speaker 3: Or there they would they would cut them out. This
Speaker 3: is not like you know over here where they give
Speaker 3: you a medication and be like all right, boy, Like
Speaker 3: babies that are near full term being aborted forcibly aborted,
Speaker 3: and abortion in our religion is actually illegal, like they're
Speaker 3: only talking you can. I don't think there's even like
Speaker 3: the only time that I don't think they're from our religion.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any justification to where abortion is legal.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it would have to be like potentially.
Speaker 2: In that case. Honestly, I don't even think in Islam
Speaker 2: life or death, like yo, if mom dies with the baby,
Speaker 2: then like that's just the will of a lat But
Speaker 2: like it would have to be such a vast wild
Speaker 2: set of circumstances to where that would be seen as okay,
Speaker 2: so how.
Speaker 4: Is the un not gotten involved whatsoever?
Speaker 3: We'll come in through that. Okay. So then so that's
Speaker 3: the babies. So after two thousand and nine, I would estimate,
Speaker 3: I would estimate, conservative estimate, maybe a million other babies
Speaker 3: have been aborted since two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: So we are as of right now, just for the
Speaker 2: numbers we've heard low estimates. Being conservative, we're talking probably
Speaker 2: over ten million murders, and in this case, I would
Speaker 2: call those abortions murders over ten million murders.
Speaker 4: More like around twelve million at least.
Speaker 2: Well, when he said the concentration camps, he said seven
Speaker 2: point something, But then some have been released, so I'm
Speaker 2: being conservative and just guesstimating six million have been murdered
Speaker 2: in the concentration camps. That's probably low.
Speaker 3: So wow, so there's not Then we go back to
Speaker 3: that number they collect. Remember they collected the DNA samples,
Speaker 3: voice prints, and retless cans of thirty six million people.
Speaker 3: Why are they doing that? Well, there's two reasons. Well, no,
Speaker 3: it's more than notorious than that. There's two reasons. In
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, Unfortunately, the ni H was part
Speaker 3: of this project. Remember I said they collect they studied
Speaker 3: the DNA, the DNAs of Wigers over a thousand samples,
Speaker 3: and they were looking for, you know, genetic abnormalities or
Speaker 3: what you know, common these most you know what, genetic
Speaker 3: or health problems, most weak shared. So one study found
Speaker 3: that about seventy five percent of your wars out of
Speaker 3: the thousand and one, four hundred plus samples, all had
Speaker 3: one problem, one same problem. They had weak livers. They
Speaker 3: had livers. So the medication that treats tuberculosis, and even
Speaker 3: at that time point, we have the highest TB rates
Speaker 3: in the whole of the PRC tuberculosis rates. So the
Speaker 3: medication that treats tuberculosis, you give it normally, it's supposed
Speaker 3: to treat you. But if you keep giving it to
Speaker 3: someone who has a weak liver, that's gonna cause liver
Speaker 3: failure and they're gonna die.
Speaker 2: So they have been.
Speaker 4: They were very strategic with it.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, I've been wondering since the if they're
Speaker 1: going to use your DNA against you.
Speaker 3: Yes, so China. Actually it's in two thousand and sixteen
Speaker 3: or seventeen. It's by warfare strategy states that they have
Speaker 3: capabilities to engage in ethnic specific genetic attacks against its enemies.
Speaker 3: So that's you know, who was China's biggest enemies at
Speaker 3: that point right right now, it's East tar kistanis So
Speaker 3: there's that. Then this is one part the tuberculosis. So
Speaker 3: there have been confirmed deaths of people in the concentration camps,
Speaker 3: you know, from tuberculosis. In one camp alone, over a
Speaker 3: period like a period of like six months, there was
Speaker 3: over two hundred deaths or one hundred and fifty deaths
Speaker 3: in one camp alone. And no, there's fourteen hundred concentration
Speaker 3: camps or vocational training centers or re education centers across
Speaker 3: the East tra.
Speaker 2: Kistan, fourteen hundred concentration camps in East Turkestan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so in one camp alone, over a six month period,
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty people died and their official deaths
Speaker 3: are being reported as they die from TB and it
Speaker 3: may be true that they die from TV because again,
Speaker 3: when you the conditions in these concentration campuses, you have
Speaker 3: twenty thirty people crouched into one small space, no sanitation,
Speaker 3: you know, mal nourishment constant, you know, indoctrination torture. If
Speaker 3: one person has tv TB is are very easy to catch.
Speaker 1: You know, it spreads like wildfire. It's I mean, it's strap, its.
Speaker 3: Coughing, and China can claim, oh, we're you know, we're
Speaker 3: you know, health people medication, but.
Speaker 2: Which is in turn killing them, Yeah.
Speaker 3: In turn killing them, so that's yeah. Second, the organ
Speaker 3: transplant or organ harvesting industry in China skyrocketed after at
Speaker 3: the same time that this genocide started, So prior to
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, there is about five six thousand organ transplants
Speaker 3: reported in China per year starting in twenty fourteen, skyrocket
Speaker 3: to over fifty thousand. By twenty seventeen, it was over
Speaker 3: estimates are saying around one hundred thousand per year, yeah,
Speaker 3: per year. And many of these people, like wealthy Arabs
Speaker 3: from the Middle East and other Muslim countries, are traveling
Speaker 3: to China to buy halal organs, meaning organs from a
Speaker 3: Muslim who hasn't you know, consumed pork alcoholic central Where
Speaker 3: else are they going to get that?
Speaker 2: I never even thought about the halal organ market, although
Speaker 2: that it makes perfect sense now that I've heard it
Speaker 2: laid out like that. But Honestly, you would think that
Speaker 2: somebody that is potentially on their deathbed wouldn't really care
Speaker 2: where the organ came from as long as it was healthy.
Speaker 2: And I guess for some that would be the case.
Speaker 2: But when you have these wealthy oil tycoon Arabs from
Speaker 2: all over the Middle East, they can afford to make
Speaker 2: sure that it is a halal organ. So, of course,
Speaker 2: if you're in that market and China has this massive
Speaker 2: situation on their hands, oh my god. And we've talked
Speaker 2: about that so many times, the Chinese organ harvesting trade
Speaker 2: and black market organ sales coming out of China, it
Speaker 2: makes perfect sense that that's skyrocketed around the time of
Speaker 2: the Wakers. And that's again you're talking about organ transplants
Speaker 2: and organ shipment in the market itself above board. This
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the underground black market organ
Speaker 2: trade that there is happening obviously throughout this country.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is where those videos came from
Speaker 1: of the people.
Speaker 2: Being all hacked up, honestly. Yeah, And there's videos that
Speaker 2: are out there of people and there are some people
Speaker 2: that believe that they might be doing the to do
Speaker 2: like a soylent green type of things.
Speaker 4: Wondering if the meat.
Speaker 2: The muscle tissue from this humans, is this being ground
Speaker 2: up and used this food to feed China, because we've
Speaker 2: heard a lot of reports of that being done.
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know about that, but we know for
Speaker 3: sure that our people are being killed, as you know,
Speaker 3: for their organs. That's that's that's a proven fact. Because
Speaker 3: in many of the airports in East Turkistan, especially the
Speaker 3: ones in the south closest to the camps, there are
Speaker 3: you can find special lanes that's safe for organ transplants. Only.
Speaker 3: You won't find this in other parts of China. You
Speaker 3: won't find this, you know, in part in actual China
Speaker 3: you won't find that. But in East Pakistan there's this that.
Speaker 3: And then at the same time, China began expanding crematoria
Speaker 3: across East Trakistan, building crematoriums. And you know, we bury
Speaker 3: our dead, we like we've there's no history of us ever,
Speaker 3: you know, burning are dead, like that's not something we
Speaker 3: ever do or ever done in our nation's history. I
Speaker 3: think as Muslims, you have to bury your dead.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is that a Muslim rule?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you can't. You can't, no matter what happens.
Speaker 3: You have to bury the dead, even if you can't find,
Speaker 3: even if it's just a leg that you can find,
Speaker 3: you still have to bury that leg. That's the only
Speaker 3: thing that remains.
Speaker 1: So they're purposely burning you guys. Just is an actual,
Speaker 1: actually way to be disgraceful.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Many of these UH crematorials are located in the
Speaker 3: same areas with the airports with the special lanes, and
Speaker 3: many of them are right next to these concentration camps.
Speaker 2: So it's literally the Nazis on repeat.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, this is just Nazis just
Speaker 1: not being talked about. How I just don't understand how
Speaker 1: this is not being able to be stopped by anybody.
Speaker 1: Crimes against humanity should like should be being able to
Speaker 1: step in NATO somebody.
Speaker 2: They're only working off the information that they have coming
Speaker 2: out of their.
Speaker 4: Censoring ship everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's much more complicated than that. I mean,
Speaker 3: governments know the US government.
Speaker 4: They just don't give a ship enough to do anything.
Speaker 3: They know very well what's what's happening.
Speaker 2: They try to stop it. They were just going into
Speaker 2: full on open war with China, which everybody's trying to avoid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the minerals must not be enough to worth it.
Speaker 2: The minerals and the semiconductors. That's not enough from.
Speaker 3: The organ harvesting alone.
Speaker 4: They must be shipping it in.
Speaker 3: You know. UH experts like Ethan Goodman, who are experts
Speaker 3: on organ harvesting, who's you know, studied and went through
Speaker 3: all the data, interview done dozens of interviews and looking
Speaker 3: through China's own records. They testified UH in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four stating that at a conservative aout like a low conservative,
Speaker 3: anywhere from twenty five thousand to fifty thousand between the
Speaker 3: ages of eighteen to thirty are being killed every every
Speaker 3: year solely for their organs.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And he's and he stated, just since twenty fourteen till
Speaker 3: twenty fifth till you know, twenty twenty four, he estimated
Speaker 3: that anywhere from a quarter million again the very lowest estimate.
Speaker 3: He said, it's quarter million to you know, again conservative
Speaker 3: up to about half a million, we will have just
Speaker 3: been killed specifically for their organs. And he says, but
Speaker 3: I but again it could be much much higher because
Speaker 3: again the organ transplant data shows that, you know, it
Speaker 3: keeps increasing, so you know, and he's saying, like I
Speaker 3: did this very conservatively, assuming that you know, China is
Speaker 3: also taking organs from other prisoners, from other ethnic groups
Speaker 3: and other you know, religious groups, et cetera. Sure, so
Speaker 3: this is from that. And then China's owned Chinese police
Speaker 3: military folks who you know later escaped and you know,
Speaker 3: came to the West, some who served in those They said,
Speaker 3: there are people dying, you know, they we we literally
Speaker 3: kill these people there, We leave them there to die,
Speaker 3: especially the men. Because again, what is China worried about population?
Speaker 3: Well one population too. If war breaks out, resistance happens,
Speaker 3: is gonna fight, who's going to be the main manpower?
Speaker 3: So this is one thing. And they secretly transferred at
Speaker 3: least half a million Uger men out of each circustan
Speaker 3: to prisons ross China to hide this. So you've probably
Speaker 3: seen those videos of yours. You know, we were men
Speaker 3: blindfolded with their heads shaved and you know, being escorted
Speaker 3: onto cattle trains by you know, Chinese Chinese police wearing
Speaker 3: you know, swat uniforms. So those are indeed happening. And
Speaker 3: then on top of that, the Chinese government is trying
Speaker 3: to forcibly coerce our women, you know, they're forcing our
Speaker 3: women to marry Chinese men. There are literally ads in
Speaker 3: Chinese provinces where they are. You know, the Chinese government
Speaker 3: is saying move to shin Jong and especially targeting mails,
Speaker 3: we will give you a job, well paying a job
Speaker 3: two three times the salary of what they would receive
Speaker 3: in China. Uh. You know, a government one time, you know,
Speaker 3: eighty thousand un which is roughly about fifteen twelve, fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand dollars cash in hand, free land, free housing, and
Speaker 3: we'll even find you an ethnic you know, local ethnic
Speaker 3: minority wife. So they're coursing and there's numerous events where
Speaker 3: you know, they hold like this is not individual weddings,
Speaker 3: they hold mass weddings where like at least groups of
Speaker 3: thirty forty leiker women are forced to marry Chinese you
Speaker 3: know men at once and China as oh, we're promoting
Speaker 3: ethnic unity, We're urging. What they're trying to do is
Speaker 3: essentially breed us out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to eradicate you, this is a full fledged genocide
Speaker 2: by every single definition or every single conceivable thought of
Speaker 2: the word.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, And the US. Canada's parliament was actually the
Speaker 3: first one to recognize it as genocide in October of
Speaker 3: two thousand. Then it was followed by the US government
Speaker 3: under the initial Trump administration in January nineteenth of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one. It was reaffirmed by the then Biden administration
Speaker 3: as well. It's been recognized as such by the parliaments
Speaker 3: of over a dozen European countries. The UN, because China
Speaker 3: has a lot of influence at the UN, the UN
Speaker 3: was reluctant, you know, coerced into not calling it a genocide.
Speaker 3: But they even they said, oh, you know, it's still
Speaker 3: crimes against humanity. Even though they didn't use the term genocide,
Speaker 3: they acknowledged that at the very least, it's crimes against humanity.
Speaker 3: Yet despite all this, you know, nothing is being done.
Speaker 3: So and our issue really died off after COVID came.
Speaker 3: Immedia stopped talking about our issue. COVID happened. Then it
Speaker 3: Russia invaded the Ukraine, and.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can only imagine how many wea your deaths
Speaker 2: were considered COVID related during that time frame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's another thing. During COVID, Uh, they've built
Speaker 3: a lot of like we saw a lot of videos,
Speaker 3: leaked videos coming out of them building, you know, like
Speaker 3: these really tight graves next to one another, like literally
Speaker 3: you can fit one body in, and like massive in
Speaker 3: the desert and in protests against the COVID mandates in
Speaker 3: China broke out all across China because in Urumchi, if
Speaker 3: you remember there was in twenty twenty two, there was
Speaker 3: twenty two there were protests in China against the COVID lockdowns. Right, yes,
Speaker 3: no one.
Speaker 2: Got super repressed really quickly.
Speaker 4: People that got taken, yeah, and the.
Speaker 2: People screaming in their apartments because they were like locked
Speaker 2: in and barred in at the doors. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The reason that happened was in East Takustan on a
Speaker 3: room cheet because we were locked in in in their apartments.
Speaker 3: A fire broke out in one of the apartment buildings,
Speaker 3: remember hearing about this, because they had barred every place
Speaker 3: to even the fire trucks couldn't come in and put
Speaker 3: out the fire on time. Dozens of wars died. And
Speaker 3: seeing that the Chinese people are like, we don't want
Speaker 3: to end up like those wigers, and so they came
Speaker 3: out took to the streets protesting for the you know,
Speaker 3: to end the COVID lockdown, not not not to protest
Speaker 3: against what was happening, to the course.
Speaker 4: Of course not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't. They don't really care.
Speaker 1: So how many people, how many people do you think
Speaker 1: are still left? Like because they've killed quite a few people.
Speaker 3: The Chinese government down places our population historically, has always
Speaker 3: downplayed our population. So if you remember, you can find
Speaker 3: this on Chinese state media where and it's not a typo.
Speaker 3: It's not a typo. They did it many times. They
Speaker 3: said they collected the DNA samples, voice prints, and RETNA
Speaker 3: scans of thirty six million people between the ages of
Speaker 3: twelve and sixty five.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that there's a problem.
Speaker 3: But there's a problem here. Officially, total population. According to
Speaker 3: the Chinese government, the total population of the autonomous region
Speaker 3: is supposed to be twenty five million, and about ten
Speaker 3: million of those are Chinese.
Speaker 2: So again, we really can't trust any of the numbers
Speaker 2: that we're hearing come out of them.
Speaker 4: There's no real number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is the thing. In nineteen forty six,
Speaker 3: when we were in an independent government, independent country, as
Speaker 3: the public, our government stated our population at that time
Speaker 3: was seven million. In nineteen forty nine, in his communications
Speaker 3: to Stalin, Mouse stated there were nine million Turket people
Speaker 3: in East tar Kastan after they took over East tar
Speaker 3: kastank Okay. And the growth rate, like this is the thing.
Speaker 3: There's been a rapid drop in our growth rate to
Speaker 3: where it's like set at zero. Now. Our growth rate,
Speaker 3: you know, normal population growth rate sustained, you know, to
Speaker 3: sustain and you know double is like two point seven
Speaker 3: percent annually. Ours, especially in the last ten years, last
Speaker 3: twenty years, especially in the south, was fifteen to twenty
Speaker 3: percent in some parts. So we're we were making a
Speaker 3: lot of babies in some parts, and so China was
Speaker 3: fearful of our growing numbers. So what does China say.
Speaker 3: There's twelve million with yours and with the combined with
Speaker 3: the other three and a half million Kazakhs, kur Ausbics
Speaker 3: and whatever, there's fifty million Turk ethnic minorities and so
Speaker 3: called Chinjah and he's focused on that is the official number.
Speaker 3: And what is China saying? We are not committing genocide.
Speaker 3: There's no evidence of us killing these legles. You won't
Speaker 3: find anything. We're not We're not committing genocide. Their population
Speaker 3: you know, it's growing, they're they're still you know, they're
Speaker 3: they're they're alive. We're not committing them. So essentially China
Speaker 3: under the guys of counter terrorism. If they continue doing
Speaker 3: this by you know, they could have even achieved it
Speaker 3: by now, God only god knows. They could have wiped
Speaker 3: out two thirds of our population without the world not
Speaker 3: even knowing.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now can they flee, Like, are they able
Speaker 1: to flee anywhere?
Speaker 3: No, that's the thing exactly, Like even those that quote
Speaker 3: escaped into Syria, they didn't escape, they were delibered. We
Speaker 3: let it out because there's no way you can't. You
Speaker 3: can't go from by two thousand and ten, you can
Speaker 3: even go from one city to another without hitting a checkpoint.
Speaker 4: It's like fifteen cities on steroids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they have. And even in the south, especially
Speaker 3: in the south part of East circumstances where we waters,
Speaker 3: we still make up about eighty five ninety percent of
Speaker 3: the population. So it's less colonized in the south compared
Speaker 3: to the north.
Speaker 2: Because the north is where all the resources are.
Speaker 3: North is more the south is mostly desert oasis towns,
Speaker 3: so the Chinese really don't like living in the desert area.
Speaker 4: So they're kids.
Speaker 1: Are they kidnapping the females and taking them up north?
Speaker 1: To try to like breed them out pretty much.
Speaker 3: No, I mean they're they're moving and even Chinese into
Speaker 3: the south this point there, this is where they're giving
Speaker 3: them the incentives, you know, give you more money, We'll
Speaker 3: give you a job, will give you whatever you want,
Speaker 3: Come move, you know, because they have to place us
Speaker 3: because even in the south, even if the south of
Speaker 3: East Rakistan was successfully you know, in getting its independence,
Speaker 3: is still going to be a strategic loss for China
Speaker 3: because where all the oil, natural gas, gold and other
Speaker 3: critical minerals are located. So they're not going to want
Speaker 3: to give it up. And this is why they're doing that.
Speaker 3: So they're enacting all of these policies, and so our
Speaker 3: fear is that they are trying to reduce us to
Speaker 3: the official you know, fifteen million only population, and by
Speaker 3: doing so, they could potentially kill off two thirds of
Speaker 3: our population without you know, the world doing anything about it.
Speaker 2: So this kind of leads into my question, how did
Speaker 2: you get out? You by your message that you reach
Speaker 2: out to us, you said that you're currently living in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. Correct, Yeah, and you have in a f
Speaker 2: title as far as East Turkestan is concerned, correct, Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: So and you, I don't know, I'm judging by your age.
Speaker 2: You look to be about our age. You look like
Speaker 2: you're in your thirties maybe, okay, So how long have
Speaker 2: you been in the US. How did you and your
Speaker 2: family make it out? What? How did you fall into
Speaker 2: this as far as the representative for the country, Like,
Speaker 2: how did all this come to be?
Speaker 3: Yes, So I'll start off with my you know, background story.
Speaker 3: I was born in East Yakistan in the town of Atuch,
Speaker 3: which is a you know, predominantly uber city. In fact,
Speaker 3: when I was there, there was like the only Chinese
Speaker 3: that I remember seeing was the Chinese you know, military
Speaker 3: that was stationed there and the Chinese officials. As far
Speaker 3: as that's there was no Chinese civilians in our in
Speaker 3: our town. So I was born in Atus in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety three. So I'm thirty two. I'll be thirty three
Speaker 3: in a few months. And I grew up into a Weiger.
Speaker 3: I was born into a Weiger merchant family. But not
Speaker 3: only a merchant family, but like my family had a
Speaker 3: history of opposing the occupation throughout the past.
Speaker 2: You know, well, like you said, your dad's uncle was
Speaker 2: a part of the resistance at one point, so I mean, yeah.
Speaker 3: And so my father he fled East Turkistan in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety five after a mass protest and they crushed the protests,
Speaker 3: so he fled into neighboring Central Asia. Then in Central
Speaker 3: Asia he tried to you know, join our resistance there
Speaker 3: and tried to you know, prepare for an uprising in
Speaker 3: East Trakistan, but it never never happened because one Turkey
Speaker 3: and the Central Asian go roaments, you know, backstep does.
Speaker 3: And so he ended up fleeing to Europe initially in nineties,
Speaker 3: in ninety seven, and then ended up in the US
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight and applied for political asylum here,
Speaker 3: and then in two thousand he was able to get
Speaker 3: the US embassy in Beijing to help reunited. So the
Speaker 3: problem was even at that time, getting passports, as we wire,
Speaker 3: is very difficult for the normal average Chinese citizen. You apply,
Speaker 3: you apply, you pay like what fifty sixty you know,
Speaker 3: US dollars you get your passport for it was it
Speaker 3: was virtually impossible at that time. You have to you know,
Speaker 3: if you had money, you know, there are some ways
Speaker 3: to you know, bribe officials to get it, but you
Speaker 3: would be paying thousands, Like I'm talking about five six
Speaker 3: thousand dollars just for one passport.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: So despite the fact that you know, and again, as
Speaker 3: I told you, I'm from a merchant family, so we're
Speaker 3: a little bit well off in most people, and especially
Speaker 3: my hometown. Actually we're historically known for our merchants. Like
Speaker 3: that's what we do. We've been historically, like a majority
Speaker 3: of the people, they're engaged in business. So like people
Speaker 3: joke and say that, oh, were there, they were the
Speaker 3: Jews of the waters, you know.
Speaker 2: Like that, I don't know, the term Turkish bizaar came
Speaker 2: to mind, but also because the Turk screwge all over,
Speaker 2: I feel like that would have been a bit yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, so this is and so my family,
Speaker 3: they you know, spent a considerable amount of money trying
Speaker 3: to get you know, those passports, but the government refused
Speaker 3: to to give it, even though the bribes had already
Speaker 3: went you know, already went into the pockets of those officials.
Speaker 3: So finally, after you know, two years of trying, this
Speaker 3: uh failed. So my father he was able to get
Speaker 3: the help of the US Embassy in Beijing and the
Speaker 3: US Embassy in Beijing is like, all right, either you
Speaker 3: can issue them a passport or I will issue them
Speaker 3: travel documents and I will take them. Either way, the
Speaker 3: choice is yours. And so the US helped us really
Speaker 3: not with my father. So it was me, my older brother,
Speaker 3: my older sister, my younger sister, my mother, and yeah,
Speaker 3: my father was living in Oklahoma. So and June of
Speaker 3: two thousand of two thousand, week came to Fort Worth
Speaker 3: in Dallas, Texas, near Dallas, Texas, and then drove up
Speaker 3: to Oklahoma. And so my father had a very I
Speaker 3: would say he had the greatest impact in my upbringing,
Speaker 3: in my you know, my advocacy might cause my life
Speaker 3: mission absolutely so immediately.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: I didn't even remember my father, to be honest, because
Speaker 3: when he left, I was like, what two years old,
Speaker 3: So I don't have any memory of my father. But
Speaker 3: immediately after coming, like that two hour drive from Dallas
Speaker 3: Fort Worth to Oklahoma City to our apartment, immediately, first
Speaker 3: thing he did is he sat us down and he said,
Speaker 3: I want you guys to understand why I brought you
Speaker 3: guys here. He said, I brought you here so not
Speaker 3: so you could forget your homeland, not so you could
Speaker 3: forget your people. Not so you could forget your brothers
Speaker 3: and your relatives, you know, and uncles, but so you
Speaker 3: could become educated, and so you can do what I
Speaker 3: couldn't do. So you can become educated and return one
Speaker 3: day to liberate our homeland and our people. So this
Speaker 3: is your mission. This is why I brought you here
Speaker 3: to the US. Always remember that. So that was that.
Speaker 3: So since like literally after the drive, that was like
Speaker 3: the very first thing. And so he began to teach
Speaker 3: us our history, which is bare, you know, because even
Speaker 3: talking even uttering the word East Trakistan in East Pakistan
Speaker 3: is a crime, right, But everyone knows in their heart,
Speaker 3: we know our country's name is East tra Kistan, but
Speaker 3: we can we can't say it. We know we used
Speaker 3: to be independent country, but we can't see it, even
Speaker 3: the little kids. Even when I was in East Takistan,
Speaker 3: I would hear the elders, you know, always talking about
Speaker 3: how if the Russians hadn't screwed up things, you know,
Speaker 3: for us, we would be we would have been independent
Speaker 3: and for a while. To be honest, like I thought
Speaker 3: the Chinese were the Russians because I didn't know the
Speaker 3: difference until, you know, because I'm like three four years old,
Speaker 3: and yeah, you hear these things and you're like.
Speaker 2: At that point, you're hearing the old folks talk about it,
Speaker 2: and you're like the legend of right, it's like the
Speaker 2: these crazy stories of our past that like I mean,
Speaker 2: if you say so, Grandpa, but I just I don't
Speaker 2: know what you Yeah, out.
Speaker 1: Of your all your out of your family. Are you
Speaker 1: the only one that's like really heavy into activism and
Speaker 1: trying to get changed happening.
Speaker 3: I mean my sister she's more and like she's trying
Speaker 3: to help, like you know, in her own ways. She's
Speaker 3: like more just more human rights were But he isn't
Speaker 3: like being out there in the open like I do.
Speaker 3: I mean me, I had no, like my goal like
Speaker 3: was to become a military officer. I wanted to be
Speaker 3: a general. That was my that was my dream. I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm going to be a general one day,
Speaker 3: I'm going to lead my army and I'm going to
Speaker 3: free our country and our people.
Speaker 2: Did you end up serving?
Speaker 3: And yeah, and so I did. So my father that's
Speaker 3: what he wanted for both me and my older brother.
Speaker 3: My older brother he's still he's still in he's still
Speaker 3: serving from what I know what Bran, he's in the Navy. Okay,
Speaker 3: so he's been he's been doing that for the past
Speaker 3: over since like almost twenty years.
Speaker 2: So okay, he's getting ready to retire. So we're both
Speaker 2: Marine Corps veterans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and oh, thank you for your service, but I
Speaker 3: mean you serve too correct and well mine. So in
Speaker 3: two thousand nine, I became a US citizen and then
Speaker 3: I want I actually wanted to go to West Point.
Speaker 3: That was my goal, was like, I want to go
Speaker 3: to West Point Military Academy. This, this is what I
Speaker 3: wanted to do. But I couldn't get a nomination because
Speaker 3: I wasn't a citizen at the time when I was
Speaker 3: finishing up high school. So when I became a citizen,
Speaker 3: I finished up high school and then so I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, let me just do R O t C.
Speaker 3: So I did R O t C. I started R
Speaker 3: O t C and then like literally as I started
Speaker 3: R O t C, I guess some of the are instructors, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, were the guardsmen. So they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: if you want to, if you want to, you know,
Speaker 3: set yourself up to become a better you know, be
Speaker 3: more respected when you commissioned as an officer. You know,
Speaker 3: you want some experience, do national guards? So I ended
Speaker 3: up joining the Oklahoma Army National Guard, trained at for
Speaker 3: Benning my.
Speaker 2: Basic and a t oh your infantry, Yeah, same, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So did you stay in national Guard or you went
Speaker 2: regular army at a certain point?
Speaker 3: No? No, So two and a half years into this,
Speaker 3: about twent a half years into it, at a freal
Speaker 3: training exercise after coming back, I had an emergency appendectomy
Speaker 3: and then I guess during the scan of my body,
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, bro, we got policistic kidney disease. So
Speaker 3: that permanently killed off my military career.
Speaker 2: Did you get medically retired?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I got a medical discharge.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I went into depression for about let's say, like three months,
Speaker 3: not knowing what to do. Sure, I wanted to because
Speaker 3: my whole life was that.
Speaker 1: That's what I His whole plane was the military too, so.
Speaker 2: Same since I was three years old, that's what I
Speaker 2: wanted to do. Then I got there, and you know,
Speaker 2: God's got a plan, and it wasn't his plan for
Speaker 2: me to see combat, even though that was like my
Speaker 2: goal for my entire life. And uh, you know, I
Speaker 2: wanted to.
Speaker 4: Be doctors without borders. So I feel that.
Speaker 2: And you became a comorne.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be I wanted to be actually over
Speaker 1: helping people all across the globe. That has been my
Speaker 1: dream since I was a child. So I get it.
Speaker 1: Life life be life, and it does.
Speaker 2: So I absolutely understand about of depression that you would
Speaker 2: get into and the lack of direction and not knowing
Speaker 2: what happens next and.
Speaker 3: All that exactly. And then I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: so what do I do from here? I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, I can't do this. What do I do?
Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, well, maybe you know,
Speaker 3: I need to starty. So I was like, well, maybe
Speaker 3: I can get into politics. Make maybe I can work
Speaker 3: you know, at the State Department or some other government
Speaker 3: agency and help my people that way. And so I
Speaker 3: was like, let me study international area studies and political science.
Speaker 3: And that's what I did. And in twenty sixteen, when
Speaker 3: I was finishing up my bachelors, this is when the
Speaker 3: election cycles happening. You know, everyone's like, oh, we need
Speaker 3: to be tough in China. So I wrote my My
Speaker 3: bachelor's capstone was essentially a policy proposal titled refining the
Speaker 3: American Grand Strategy from Central Asia to the Wagers, and
Speaker 3: so I in that I pretty much highlighted that our
Speaker 3: people were facing a genocide, We're facing orlonization, and that
Speaker 3: the United States needs to actually work with the Waders too,
Speaker 3: you know, pressure, pressure China, And that was my capstone.
Speaker 3: And so to help in one of my professors, I
Speaker 3: you know, I asked her, you know, can you can
Speaker 3: you help me, you know, send this? I said, if
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this, could you help me with
Speaker 3: you know, sending it to you know, different think tank
Speaker 3: government agencies and you know, perfect it. So it's you know, professional,
Speaker 3: not some you know amateur, yeah, reporter or something. And
Speaker 3: so they're like yeah, and she was like yeah. And
Speaker 3: so with her help, I was able to send it around.
Speaker 3: And by twenty seventeen, I started losing contact with all
Speaker 3: of my relatives in East Arkistan. Oh no, because they're
Speaker 3: slowly being taken into the camps. And one of the
Speaker 3: reasons for being sent to re education to why you're
Speaker 3: you know, because if you're not trustworthy, that's what they do.
Speaker 3: They grade you on trustworthiness. So one of the reasons
Speaker 3: you're not trust deemed trustworthy is if you have contact
Speaker 3: with anyone overseas or if you traveled overseas, So if
Speaker 3: you have any relatives overseas and even contact music, even
Speaker 3: if you spoke to them on the phone. M oh.
Speaker 3: Another reason is if you have relatives overseas as well,
Speaker 3: you're not just worthy so fully, our relatives were being
Speaker 3: taken one by one.
Speaker 2: I've heard that in North Korea as well, like if
Speaker 2: you defect her I think her name's Naomi Park, that
Speaker 2: could be wrong. She escaped in North Korea through sex slavery,
Speaker 2: like her mom sold her into prostitution at a young
Speaker 2: age to get her across the border. She got to America,
Speaker 2: and she has been very prolific about talking about the
Speaker 2: atrocities in North Korea. It's understood that every member of
Speaker 2: her bloodline that is connected is currently in a forced
Speaker 2: labor camp, probably for life. Because she made it out.
Speaker 2: And that's how it is North Korea. That's how the
Speaker 2: guilt trip you to never leave is because they let
Speaker 2: it be known that if you make it out and
Speaker 2: you try to start a life somewhere, all your cousins,
Speaker 2: your aunts, your second third cousins you never met before,
Speaker 2: are all going to be in that kind of situation,
Speaker 2: it's absolutely horrible.
Speaker 3: They like it's collective punishment as a deterrent for others.
Speaker 3: So if you end up like this, because they want examples,
Speaker 3: you know, make an example out of you, so they
Speaker 3: treat you everyone like this. See, this is what will
Speaker 3: happen if you do this.
Speaker 1: So you need enough waves for them to notice. And
Speaker 1: they started.
Speaker 3: Taking because again it's not regardless of if I did
Speaker 3: this or if I stood silent.
Speaker 4: Either way they're taking them.
Speaker 3: It was gonna happen. In fact, I you could said
Speaker 3: I started becoming more public and in fighting for this
Speaker 3: because they did that in a way. So as I'm
Speaker 3: sending my proposals, we're getting responses from you know, Congress
Speaker 3: and other places like what were your organization are you with?
Speaker 3: And I'm not affiliated with any WEIG organization. I'm still
Speaker 3: in Oklahoma. There's like literally no wars in Oklahoma. Rights
Speaker 3: are in the DC area somewhere in like Houston, in
Speaker 3: like New York and so forth. So and the existing
Speaker 3: were groups, all of them, you know, especially after two
Speaker 3: thousand and four, our in our movement went from advocating
Speaker 3: for independence in East Turkistan too. We just want genuine
Speaker 3: autonomy and human rights under China. And of course this
Speaker 3: is not a natural it's not a movement doesn't go
Speaker 3: overnight like that on its own. Refer to Document number
Speaker 3: seven Directive EATE and you'll understand why. So this is
Speaker 3: this is what happened to our movement to where again,
Speaker 3: even in the diaspora, no one's calling it East Turkistan,
Speaker 3: no one's calling our country's name its own name, our
Speaker 3: own organizations, for God's sake, you know, like these we're
Speaker 3: fighting for human rights. So I tried reaching out to them,
Speaker 3: and I said, we need to highlight our plight. We
Speaker 3: need to you know, ask the US to at the
Speaker 3: very minimum, treat us on the same level as Tibet,
Speaker 3: like introduced a weaker policy.
Speaker 2: Act of what's going on.
Speaker 3: Right, recognize the atrocities to genocide, hold China accountable everything
Speaker 3: that they've already done for Tibet, everything that I've been
Speaker 3: fighting for since then. I wrote, you know, in in
Speaker 3: in the policy proposal. So they're like, oh, no, you know,
Speaker 3: we we don't want to get involved in politics. We
Speaker 3: don't want to do that. You know that's going to
Speaker 3: make China upset.
Speaker 6: Yes, and China, you know, and and another thing is
Speaker 6: like I grew up in the West, so my mentality is.
Speaker 3: More American or more bolder, whereas are people there living
Speaker 3: under you know, growing up under occupation and colonization constantly,
Speaker 3: you know, suppressed, and you you don't you're not as
Speaker 3: crazy or maybe it's just me, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know you're subdued as hell. Absolutely you don't want
Speaker 2: to speak up about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was like, you know what, I don't
Speaker 3: None of these groups are willing to even work with me.
Speaker 3: So I told my professor what what do I do?
Speaker 3: And she was like, you know, before a nation, you know,
Speaker 3: before nations you know, get into you know, the independence
Speaker 3: movement phase, they have a national awakening movement movement. And
Speaker 3: so that's how we ended up, you know, partly with
Speaker 3: my professor through the name, but I found a couple
Speaker 3: of other you know, young with wars and Kazakhs from
Speaker 3: East Kakistan who like myself, grew up in the West,
Speaker 3: and so we started, you know, there were in other
Speaker 3: parts of the US, but I started you know, communicating
Speaker 3: them with online, with them, many of them through Facebook,
Speaker 3: and so we had built a network. And so initially
Speaker 3: we were calling it like the Weaker Youth something, and
Speaker 3: then I was like, you know what, let's call it
Speaker 3: the East Pakistan Nashville Awakening Movement, because we need to
Speaker 3: awaken our people, we need to awaken the world to
Speaker 3: the reality of East Pakistan.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so this was in June twenty seventeen, and since
Speaker 3: then we've raised awareness, you know, mostly through Initially we
Speaker 3: capitalize off of social media Twitter, Facebook, Instagram to highlight
Speaker 3: the genocide. Then we you know, reached out to churches, mosques, synagogues,
Speaker 3: wherever we could to highlight the atrocities, focusing mainly on
Speaker 3: highlighting the atrocities.
Speaker 2: I feel like you got kicked off of TikTok pretty hard, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, I I never I never used TikTok
Speaker 3: good because uh it's it's it's Chinese.
Speaker 4: You know, Chinese ran owned.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm not gonna use the Chinese because
Speaker 3: even if I downloaded it, like it's also like a
Speaker 3: security risk because technically they could have you know, some
Speaker 3: coding where through whole phone and like me, I run,
Speaker 3: like my entire movement is you know, through the form
Speaker 3: yeah activities.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear you say that because whenever I
Speaker 2: say it, and whenever I say that TikTok is a
Speaker 2: Chinese app and it's being used to spy on us,
Speaker 2: people look at me like I'm fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: And he's said this for years now and people get
Speaker 1: really upset with him.
Speaker 2: Years Meanwhile, no, no, thankfully we have an East Turkistani
Speaker 2: gentleman here to speak on it and say no, TikTok
Speaker 2: is absolutely a Chinese prop gam machine. The algorithms that
Speaker 2: are being pushed are CCP funded and approved, and it's
Speaker 2: absolutely tracking you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not just about the algorithms, it's about
Speaker 3: the entire tracking mechanism because literally they perfected this in
Speaker 3: each Turkistan because through that they can analyze create an
Speaker 3: entire profile on you, what you like, what you hate,
Speaker 3: you know, who you contact with, what you know Like
Speaker 3: if you watch a video for like even three seconds,
Speaker 3: or you watch it for five seconds, for six seconds,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, this person likes watching this type of
Speaker 3: videos for five or six seconds, this is longer than
Speaker 3: this type of videos. This person's weakness is this. This
Speaker 3: is how we get them. And then you know once
Speaker 3: it has that data on you. Because mind this the
Speaker 3: Chinese government back. I don't know if you remember in
Speaker 3: the two thousand and like fifteen six time period, maybe
Speaker 3: a little later than that, but somewhere around that time,
Speaker 3: there was like an OPM Officer Personnel Management hack the Chinese.
Speaker 3: So they hacked literally into the files directors of all government,
Speaker 3: anyone that was employed federal government.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: The only reason I know that is because everyone you
Speaker 3: know who was we received notifications saying, hey, you might
Speaker 3: have you know, your records might have potentially been stolen
Speaker 3: by the Chinese.
Speaker 2: FYI And why Chinese hackers? They don't mean like some
Speaker 2: dude living in his mom's basement in somewhere nowhere's ville, China. No, No,
Speaker 2: that means CCP Chinese.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Chinese government, the Chinese military. So what are
Speaker 3: they doing with this data? They're collecting it, collecting all
Speaker 3: of this. They know every They create little profiles for
Speaker 3: everyone because their ultimate plan is to slowly infil shape
Speaker 3: people who they can co opt, because that's their that's
Speaker 3: how they do it. If they want, if they can't
Speaker 3: take militarily, they want to find people in the US
Speaker 3: that they can you know, essentially co opt to work
Speaker 3: for them. So they look at your weaknesses. So whatever
Speaker 3: weaknesses you have, like whatever you do on your phone,
Speaker 3: like you think, okay, I'm not using the TikTok app,
Speaker 3: I'm doing something else. You have, you know, you have
Speaker 3: your private life, You have different things, like god knows
Speaker 3: what people do on these phones, but there's a lot
Speaker 3: of different things people are doing. Well.
Speaker 2: TU is the same way. Tu is the Chinese owned app,
Speaker 2: and it is being used to install spywear into your.
Speaker 3: Phone and exactly all that collects information information that could
Speaker 3: potentially blackmail you. That they could potentially blackmail you with
Speaker 3: information that gives you you know, you know, your how
Speaker 3: you think, how you what you like, so they can create.
Speaker 3: Because these kids that are using TikTok, they're going to
Speaker 3: grow up. You know, they're not going to remain kids.
Speaker 3: They're going to grow up. These teenagers are going to
Speaker 3: grow up. They're gonna end up, you know, working in
Speaker 3: different you know, not all of them, but many of
Speaker 3: them are going to end up working in different industries,
Speaker 3: whether it's the tech industry or even in the federal government.
Speaker 3: And so China has all this data and you know,
Speaker 3: they track all these people and whenever they need someone,
Speaker 3: they're like Okay, this is this person's vulnerability, this is
Speaker 3: what they like, This is how we can get to them,
Speaker 3: this is how we'll shape them. Because like even when
Speaker 3: I started, for example, when I started, like our own
Speaker 3: organizations in the diaspora, many of them were viciously against me,
Speaker 3: against me even saying Eastern Kastan, even calling it a genocide.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what the why? Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: was like what the fuck? You know, like, excuse my language.
Speaker 2: Bro be, We're good, you good cuss here?
Speaker 3: For sure, I was like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3: And I was just dumbfounded. But then again I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: maybe you know. I mean, I knew even in my
Speaker 3: policy proposal, I highlighted the fact that you know, China
Speaker 3: had deeply infiltrated our diaspora, our organizations, a lot of
Speaker 3: people were you know, held hostage, and this is why
Speaker 3: you know, many of them might be reluctant. But if
Speaker 3: the US was too properly support and you know, you know, at.
Speaker 1: Least I recognize it and talk about it and make
Speaker 1: policies to.
Speaker 2: Help you in at leasnowledged.
Speaker 1: Has Trump even seen this, like, has it actually gotten
Speaker 1: up to him yet?
Speaker 3: I mean, it has. I mean, his initial administration recognizes
Speaker 3: as genocide. Then there were you know, but.
Speaker 2: He just also got done with a big tariff war
Speaker 2: with g and he's not going to do anything to
Speaker 2: upset the current very very loose balance that he is
Speaker 2: accumulated for himself.
Speaker 3: Scott Best, And I was reading an article earlier this
Speaker 3: week or last week where Treasures Treasury secretary of Scott
Speaker 3: but allegedly apparently I don't know, one can't confirm it,
Speaker 3: but this is what the news report was saying. Give
Speaker 3: gave directives, an internal directive to you know, the various
Speaker 3: government agencies and told them to refrain from doing anything
Speaker 3: that would upset China. Of course, and of course this
Speaker 3: is why, like Rubio, so coming back to this, our
Speaker 3: own people were my own people. Are organizations, are human
Speaker 3: rights organizations proviciously against me. And I was like, what
Speaker 3: the hell, even though I have no beef with them,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, like you don't accept my way, Okay, fine,
Speaker 3: do your own thing. I'm not against you. I'm not
Speaker 3: here trying to, you know, really replace you or compete
Speaker 3: with you. I'm just doing what I believe is the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's the thing when politics get involved to
Speaker 2: that level everything.
Speaker 3: They sent people to try to buy me off my
Speaker 3: own people, whoa Yeah, they sent people to try to
Speaker 3: buy me off when I refused, like literally saying, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, you need to stop saying independence. You need
Speaker 3: to stop saying East Trekistan.
Speaker 2: What was the number? If you don't mind me asking, I.
Speaker 3: Mean that they didn't give like a specific number.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 3: You know, if you need money, we can give you
Speaker 3: money if you want.
Speaker 4: You know, if you want to say you have a
Speaker 4: massive target on your back, if.
Speaker 3: You want to be a leader of the community, we
Speaker 3: can give that to you as well. But you need
Speaker 3: to listen to us. See stop saying.
Speaker 2: The point that she just made leads me to my
Speaker 2: next question. Bro, So you are a man that keeps
Speaker 2: your finger on the pulse of the political spectrum and
Speaker 2: the more obscure stories of what's going down down. So
Speaker 2: you know that the CCP got caught operating any legal
Speaker 2: police station in New York City and that's not the
Speaker 2: only one they have. My question to you is, with
Speaker 2: the target that you have on your back, are you
Speaker 2: concerned about your personal safety? Man?
Speaker 3: I mean, I am more careful than majority of people
Speaker 3: in terms of where I eat, what I eat, who
Speaker 3: I interact with, you know, where I go. I'm very
Speaker 3: careful in terms of that. But I don't think the
Speaker 3: like the Chinese are not going to try to physically
Speaker 3: take me out anytime soon. No, no, why But because
Speaker 3: right now I'm just a nuisance to them. I'm not
Speaker 3: like I'm a nuisance in this in the sense that
Speaker 3: this guy is annoying us.
Speaker 1: You haven't gained enough traction yet, and you're also an
Speaker 1: American citizen.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, this guy is annoying us. You know, he's
Speaker 3: really you know, bringing up this East Pakistan issue, but
Speaker 3: no government's acting upon it, so there's no need. If
Speaker 3: they act upon it, then they'll they'll go for for
Speaker 3: the kill, like the way or if you know, if
Speaker 3: there was something meaningful happening, then they would go Like
Speaker 3: if I was if this was the nineteen nineties where
Speaker 3: I was in Central Asia and I was rallying thousands
Speaker 3: of people and you know, planning and aren't uprising, Yeah
Speaker 3: they would they would go fill the kill.
Speaker 2: Now, so the more successful you aren't this, the more
Speaker 2: dangerous it becomes for you personally.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I'm also in the US, so I'm not
Speaker 3: going to try to do anything stupid in the US,
Speaker 3: because the US is not one of those countries that's
Speaker 3: going to be like, all right, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: turn a blind eye to you for killing my citizen
Speaker 3: because it's not about me being killed. It's more about
Speaker 3: the US's own reputation on the line. So the US
Speaker 3: is not, you know, as a state, is not going
Speaker 3: to accept that. The China understands that.
Speaker 2: Do you live in d C or do you stay
Speaker 2: like in Virginia.
Speaker 3: I live right outside of DC and like Fairfax.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're in VA, so you carry?
Speaker 3: Ye?
Speaker 2: Oh good, Virginia has some pretty decent gun laws. You carry.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't like to say I carry, but
Speaker 3: I have one another one.
Speaker 2: Shit, bro at all fucking times. Know we ain't playing
Speaker 2: in this game, no doubt you.
Speaker 4: Shit, especially for you man.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you can't carry it into d C.
Speaker 2: But do We were just there a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I when I was stationed
Speaker 2: in d C from ten to fourteen. Don't even wrong
Speaker 2: the city. Yeah, the closer you are to like the
Speaker 2: National Mall, the safer it was because the touristy areas.
Speaker 2: I lived in Southeast, which was shit at that time,
Speaker 2: and then I was staying in Alexandria, which is horrible.
Speaker 2: We just went there. There are so many National Guard
Speaker 2: troops there. Yeah, you get that one shooting that just
Speaker 2: took place, and rip to the National Guard soldier that
Speaker 2: lost her life. But I have never seen the city
Speaker 2: more safe overall than now, which is insane.
Speaker 4: Have you been able to be picked up by the
Speaker 4: news stations and I've.
Speaker 3: Done, Yeah, I've been picked up by dozens of news.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of just at a standstill because of
Speaker 1: COVID and the.
Speaker 2: Policy got here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the early twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, it was.
Speaker 4: You know, you're making actual movement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we we got the US to recognize
Speaker 3: it as a genocide. We got a dozen European parliam
Speaker 3: countries to recognize it as genocide. We were We got
Speaker 3: the State Department to sanctioned Chinese officials. We got the
Speaker 3: State Department to d list the so called ETI M narrative,
Speaker 3: you know, push back against China's bullshit false flag. We
Speaker 3: had made a lot of success. We got the US
Speaker 3: to ban we were forced labor products. But after COVID
Speaker 3: and then after you know, the Russian invasion of Ukraine,
Speaker 3: our issue like flew off the the radar unfortunately got
Speaker 3: pushed out by other conflicts. Now coming back to I
Speaker 3: like what the Chinese. You know, we were talking about
Speaker 3: the what the Chinese might do. So what they did
Speaker 3: is so initially they try to buy me off, like
Speaker 3: we'll give you, you know, if you want money, we'll give
Speaker 3: you money using my own people. Again, using my own people,
Speaker 3: some who I thought previously were you know, leaders of
Speaker 3: my people. Less yeah. Yeah. Then when that didn't work,
Speaker 3: they started to make open threats, you know, using social
Speaker 3: media and using their followers, they began to create you know,
Speaker 3: disinformation against me, like, oh, he is a drug addict,
Speaker 3: he got you know, he got kicked out of the
Speaker 3: army for being a bad soldier, all this type of
Speaker 3: he's a drug dealer, all this type of ship like
Speaker 3: like things that have you know, zero truth to it.
Speaker 3: But of course many people don't know who I am,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't speak my own language as properly and
Speaker 3: as effective as I can now, you know, because I
Speaker 3: had it interacted with my own people for a very
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't use it, you lose. As far
Speaker 2: as languages.
Speaker 3: Go, the the the level of you know, communication you
Speaker 3: have between your parents at home and the words that
Speaker 3: you use is very limited compared to you know, professional politics.
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
Speaker 3: It was challenging. So that didn't That didn't you know all,
Speaker 3: that didn't stop me. I didn't give a crap, and
Speaker 3: I said, I I don't care. I said, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to sell. They threatened me with my family members
Speaker 3: back home. They're like, oh, you know, at least think
Speaker 3: about your family back there. You know, they could kill them.
Speaker 3: I said, let them, let them. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: trade you know, ten fifteen, one hundred and one thousand
Speaker 3: of my family members for the lives of forty five
Speaker 3: million people, right not h that's insane. I mean I
Speaker 3: might you might think me, oh, that's you don't care
Speaker 3: about your family. Of course I do. But the only
Speaker 3: way to save my family permanently and sure save everyone
Speaker 3: is save everyone. Yeah, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: if they're not coming for them today, they're going to
Speaker 3: come for them tomorrow. Anyway, even those I told them,
Speaker 3: even those, even you your own families right now, you're
Speaker 3: you're cooperating with the Chinese. You're betraying your own people
Speaker 3: despite what's happening, and you think that you're protecting your
Speaker 3: family members there. Even when they're finished with us, they're
Speaker 3: gonna come finish you off too. Even you're the most
Speaker 3: loyal of youth servants, you traders, They're gonna come finish
Speaker 3: you off too, because that's your endgame. It's not just
Speaker 3: about targeting, oh, those who advocate for independence only and
Speaker 3: then you know, letting those who don't advocate for independence survive.
Speaker 1: No, they want they want all of you gone. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a it's a true genocide through and through.
Speaker 3: And so when that when that field, they sent honeypots.
Speaker 3: At that time, I wasn't married. So they sent young women,
Speaker 3: you know, repeatedly, repeatedly, and then one person, one woman
Speaker 3: they brought all the way over from Turkey. And this individual,
Speaker 3: like I suspected she was a Chinese spy, like professional spy,
Speaker 3: just based on the fact that my first interaction with her,
Speaker 3: she was holding three phones and again she was trying
Speaker 3: to persuade me to stop saying East Turkistan, to stop.
Speaker 2: You know, she's a ship spot in God like, so
Speaker 2: straight up, a woman carrying three phones massive red flag.
Speaker 2: I could see two at most, but three. There's something crazy.
Speaker 2: And then this woman that you're meeting for the first
Speaker 2: time and they're trying to like, you know, seduce you
Speaker 2: in some way. It's trying to get you to quit
Speaker 2: saying East Turks Stand, which most people have never heard of, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm just like what, like what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, massive red flags on the play on this Like
Speaker 2: that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: Immediately I was like, I told the it's not. This
Speaker 3: is not in a secluded area. There's people around me,
Speaker 3: you know, everyone. I'm just looking at We're all looking
Speaker 3: at each other, and I'm like, all right, I said,
Speaker 3: I think you're in the wrong place. I told her
Speaker 3: nice that. I said, I think you're in the wrong place.
Speaker 3: I think you should leave. So that was that. A
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, A couple of weeks went by, and
Speaker 3: then this is what happens. A couple of weeks went
Speaker 3: by after this incident, and then as I'm pushing for
Speaker 3: a Weaker Policy Act, I go into the US Congress
Speaker 3: and this is the conspiracy part. We're pushing for a
Speaker 3: Weaker Policy Act, and I come across numerous congressional offices
Speaker 3: were like, we remember signing on to something like this
Speaker 3: years ago, and I thought this. I thought this was
Speaker 3: like me, first time I'm ever doing this, you know.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, all right, they're probably confusing
Speaker 3: us with the Tibetans. Let's move on to the next office. Again.
Speaker 3: We had drafted a twenty eight page policy you know,
Speaker 3: Wager Policy Act, bottled it off in the Tibetan Policy Act,
Speaker 3: and we're trying to hand it to you know, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to find this sponsored. And finally, after a week
Speaker 3: of us doing this, you know, several weeks of this
Speaker 3: went by, and we reached one off we reached four offices.
Speaker 3: That's again say the same things we remember signing on
Speaker 3: to something like this several years ago. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is after the fourth one. I was like, this
Speaker 3: is not a coincidence. They're not mistakens with the Tibetans.
Speaker 3: So I was like, do you remember who sponsored this
Speaker 3: bill that you're talking about or who's leading this bill?
Speaker 3: And that office was like it was Congressome the ross lettinhand.
Speaker 3: So immediately I look up on my phone ross Lettenhan.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, let's go to her office.
Speaker 3: Immediately after that, we go straight to her. I go
Speaker 3: straight to her office. I send the others to continued
Speaker 3: like the others on our team. I was like, you
Speaker 3: hit up the other offices. Let me let me go
Speaker 3: figure out what's going on with the Ross Latinhan. So
Speaker 3: when I went there, I'm sitting there like I asked
Speaker 3: to meet with her foreign policy, you know, Stafford, and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to explain to the foreign policy start for
Speaker 3: like fifteen minutes, and they're still not understanding what the
Speaker 3: heck I'm talking about. So I was like, all right.
Speaker 3: Finally the congresswoman herself comes out because she left her
Speaker 3: door open and she was apparently eavesdropping on our conversation
Speaker 3: or I was very loud. Possibly I was very loud,
Speaker 3: maybe both. And so she comes out and she's like,
Speaker 3: are you with the same weaker organization? And I was
Speaker 3: like like what, and she's like the World week in Congress.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, no, I have nothing
Speaker 3: to do with him. Those are the ones that are
Speaker 3: you know, I've been trying to buy me off and
Speaker 3: sabotage my advocacy. So then she was like okay, good
Speaker 3: because I don't work with the irresponsible people. I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 3: what's going on? Like I was like, I'm very confused.
Speaker 3: She's like after the two thousand and nine rumci massacred.
Speaker 3: I forgot to mention that in two thousand and nine
Speaker 3: there is a massacre that happened after protests. So what
Speaker 3: initiated this protest was China, even at that time, was
Speaker 3: forcibly transferring our youth to work as forced labor in
Speaker 3: Chinese cities. So hundreds of wigers have been transferred to
Speaker 3: a toy factory in Guangdong. And this is why YouTube
Speaker 3: is banned, is because these weaker laborers, forced labors are
Speaker 3: paid very low compared to the Chinese, if anything, very low,
Speaker 3: and so the Chinese company decided to fire, you know,
Speaker 3: some Chinese workers. So the Chinese workers that got fired,
Speaker 3: they spread rumors that the Vigers tried to rape you know,
Speaker 3: the Chinese a girl in female employees at the factory,
Speaker 3: and a mob of thousands of Chinese workers armed with
Speaker 3: clubs and you know different you know, pikes and stuff,
Speaker 3: stormed the dormitory of that factory where the wagers were.
Speaker 3: The am and they you know, engaged in a brutal
Speaker 3: you know, attacks against them, to where dozens of them
Speaker 3: were killed, hundreds were injured, and all all of this
Speaker 3: was put up on YouTube by who, by the Chinese
Speaker 3: attackers themselves, stating that, you know, oh, look at how
Speaker 3: many wagers I killed. And after that, our people in
Speaker 3: East na Kistan saw this and they were outraged, and
Speaker 3: so they organized the peaceful demonstration in asked carrying the
Speaker 3: Chinese flag, asking for you know, an investigation and justice
Speaker 3: and accountability, and what does the CCP do. They were
Speaker 3: a bunch of separatists, terrorists and they kill everybody in
Speaker 3: a massacre. And so I did that. That made some
Speaker 3: headlines in two thousand and nine, and so the US
Speaker 3: Congress was like, to our existing human rights groups, let's
Speaker 3: do something for you, like what we did for the Tibetans.
Speaker 3: Let's try to help your people and our own groups.
Speaker 3: Because uh refused because the Congressman rust Latin hand Congressman Russelton,
Speaker 3: and she was the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee
Speaker 3: at the time, the House Foreign Affairs Committee. She was
Speaker 3: from Florida, and this was her telling me this. If
Speaker 3: anyone else told me this, I would have not believed it.
Speaker 3: But This was her telling me this. I would have
Speaker 3: not believed that. If if I heard it from anyone else,
Speaker 3: I would be like, no way. And she's like Congressman
Speaker 3: Donald Worabacker, he used to doing the Soviet during the
Speaker 3: Reagan era. He used to be stafford for Ronald Reagan,
Speaker 3: so he knew about Soviet Union. He knew about Turkistan
Speaker 3: more than anyone else. So in that bill that they
Speaker 3: had drafted, the Weaker Policy Act, he used the term
Speaker 3: occupied East Turkestan, and he's like, we're not going to
Speaker 3: call it, Shane Jong. We're going to call it occupied
Speaker 3: East Turkistan. It and our own human rights groups were like, no, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 3: we can't call that that. We can't use this term this,
Speaker 3: And she said after and I got she said, I
Speaker 3: got like fifteen co sponsors for it. And I told him,
Speaker 3: you know, go go grab some more, go get some
Speaker 3: from the Democrat side because she's Republican, and let's let's
Speaker 3: introduce this bill. And our own groups sabotaged it for
Speaker 3: two years. They repeatedly ignored her, their calls, their messages,
Speaker 3: their emails, and so immediately after hearing that, I'm very pissed.
Speaker 3: You can't imagine how pissed I am. And I told her,
Speaker 3: I told her, look, we have nothing to do with those.
Speaker 3: We are a young generation of Wigers. You might have
Speaker 3: seen us. We've been out there in front of the
Speaker 3: White House, in front of the US Capital at that time.
Speaker 3: We were doing both protests, demonstrations from nine am to
Speaker 3: five Monday through Friday. This is in June of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: and you know, going in door to door, you know,
Speaker 3: engaging an advocacy, trying to get an office to introduce
Speaker 3: our our you know, our bill. Right. So I'm super pissed.
Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, at that time, who
Speaker 3: was the leaders of these organizations? And I know one,
Speaker 3: which is Rabia Kadir. So I go to her and
Speaker 3: at first I said, you know, how's anyone in the US,
Speaker 3: whether it's government, Congress, anyone come to ever before about
Speaker 3: you know, introducing a weaker policy or some kind of
Speaker 3: legislation for our people. She's like no, no, but I
Speaker 3: could tell she's kind of lying because she was kind
Speaker 3: of startled by the question R And I was like, look,
Speaker 3: are are you sure. She's like no, no, nothing like
Speaker 3: that happened She's like, why are you asking this? And
Speaker 3: I was like, I heard something from a congress woman
Speaker 3: And at first she denied it. Luckily, Congresswoman Russ Blatinhanna
Speaker 3: and I we had she had taken an official photo
Speaker 3: with me, and I had taken a selfie with her
Speaker 3: on my cell phone. So I the picture. She her
Speaker 3: face drops and she's like, oh, I must be getting old, right,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know she's in her seventies. So I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, and you know, she's like, I must
Speaker 3: be getting old. Yes, it's slip. And she's like and
Speaker 3: she confirms what happened. But she's like, you not talked
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 2: But clearly we have to talk about this shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So she's like, you cannot talk about this
Speaker 3: or they will destroy I was like, whose day. She's like,
Speaker 3: there's a powerful family. I was like, who is it.
Speaker 3: She's like, I can't tell you. I can't tell you.
Speaker 2: Do you know who this family is now? Is still
Speaker 2: a secret?
Speaker 3: I know, I know very well. They are indeed very powerful.
Speaker 2: In China or in America in both. Can you say that?
Speaker 2: Or is it still well watched?
Speaker 3: So well?
Speaker 2: So let me let me a conspiracy podcast.
Speaker 3: So She's like, don't ever mention this, don't ever talk
Speaker 3: about this. Just pretend that you never heard this. Just
Speaker 3: do your own thing. And for about a week I
Speaker 3: was like all right, and then something kept eating inside me.
Speaker 3: I was like, nah, if I keep this from a
Speaker 3: secret from my own people, then I'll be the same
Speaker 3: as these traders, right, And I was like, fuck, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. If I went back to Rabia, I was like,
Speaker 3: you have to tell the people, and she's like, no,
Speaker 3: I can't. She said no, no, no, no, people will
Speaker 3: never forgive me. I said, look, you're an old woman.
Speaker 3: You know. Our people, even I up until that point,
Speaker 3: respected her very highly. I was the mother of our nation,
Speaker 3: you know. I was like, our people will forgive you.
Speaker 3: If I can find it in myself to forgive you.
Speaker 3: Our people I'm sure can forgive you as well if
Speaker 3: you properly apologize. But this needs to be no, because
Speaker 3: this cost us. If that bill came out in two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, even twenty ten, that could have cost us.
Speaker 3: You know that, I was like eight nine years, eight
Speaker 3: nine years where China couldn't have committed genocide against us.
Speaker 2: That costs millions million.
Speaker 3: Lives, exactly millions of lives. I said, you know, this
Speaker 3: is this is unacceptable. You have to tell our people.
Speaker 3: So she kept refusing and I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: so no, no. So I was like all right, I
Speaker 3: was like, Sally, use your brain. She's not going to
Speaker 3: say it until you openly pressure her to do it.
Speaker 3: But I can't let me pressure you right here. I
Speaker 3: was like, I need to get her on camera, a
Speaker 3: live stream. So I was like, all right, can you
Speaker 3: at least tell people to support, you know, our demonstrations,
Speaker 3: to do similar demonstrations and you know, in their host
Speaker 3: countries to try to raise some awareness. She's like that
Speaker 3: I can do. I was like great. I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, let's do a live stream Facebook.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sorry, And then she speaks for like a minute saying, Oh,
Speaker 3: join our son, Sally, and you know, he's been organizing
Speaker 3: this demonstration in front of the the US capital and
Speaker 3: they're also going to do it in front of the
Speaker 3: White House. I encourage people to join. I encourage our
Speaker 3: youth in other countries to do the same thing. Blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. And then I was like, oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: I heard from a congresswoman that some individuals sabotaged the
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine Little Policy Act draft.
Speaker 4: Who would that be?
Speaker 3: I was like, could you tell me about that? And
Speaker 3: her face dropped, Good for you, and then I just
Speaker 3: kept pressing her and like I kept trussing her. She again,
Speaker 3: she refused to say the family the individuals. At first
Speaker 3: she denied it. She was like trying to deny it again.
Speaker 3: And so I pulled up my laptop and I was like,
Speaker 3: it was this congress woman. Because I'm doing live stream
Speaker 3: on my phone. I was like, it was this congress woman.
Speaker 3: I was like, Manna, here's me with her. This is
Speaker 3: what she said, and this is the things. I repeated
Speaker 3: everything she said, and I was like, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 3: you were the head of the w C at that time.
Speaker 3: And then she's like, well, I didn't have a you know, translator.
Speaker 3: I must have mis heard things. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: You could have called on our people. You could have
Speaker 3: said I needed a translator. Our people would have dumped
Speaker 3: their you know, their their their money. My father, my father,
Speaker 3: because my father used to be her biggest supporter. I
Speaker 3: mean he was slave working two jobs in Oklahoma. We
Speaker 3: we grew up like this is a part of me
Speaker 3: that you know, I'm actually not ashamed of saying it.
Speaker 3: Like my father, God blessed this man. The level of
Speaker 3: patriotism in this man, Like we didn't have anything new.
Speaker 3: Everything we had was used, even in our clothes. The
Speaker 3: only time we got anything new clothes was once a
Speaker 3: year on the ed holidays. He would buy us new clothes.
Speaker 3: Everything else from our shoes to her, our jackets, everything else.
Speaker 3: We would buy a groag.
Speaker 1: Sales I love twenty fifty cents a dollar.
Speaker 3: This type of why, it's not that we didn't have
Speaker 3: money or that he didn't have money to do that.
Speaker 3: He would work to do jobs like slaving away because
Speaker 3: he thought these people were fighting for our people. He
Speaker 3: thought they were actually fighting for our people. So he
Speaker 3: would send literally much of what he earned to them
Speaker 3: because they're fighting for.
Speaker 2: Just to have them sabotage piece ship. So you pushed her,
Speaker 2: and you pressed her and pressed her and pressed her,
Speaker 2: and she finally she finally crashed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she finally cracked. She tried making all these excuses,
Speaker 3: that excuse that, that excuse. I destroyed all her excuses.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 3: I was like people would have donated money like you
Speaker 3: could have done that. She's like, well, I didn't have
Speaker 3: you know, you know this, I didn't know who to call.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised she didn't just hang up the live stream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, I'm doing the live stream like I
Speaker 3: got her, you know, like a very tough spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then and like this goes on for about forty
Speaker 3: minutes and then she she ends up. She does She's like,
Speaker 3: I'm tired. After she blurts out one key fact, and
Speaker 3: she said, it's this family. It was the same family
Speaker 3: you know when I had it, because she met with
Speaker 3: George Bush in two thousand and eight. I believe she said,
Speaker 3: I had a different translator, but this family used, you know,
Speaker 3: their their influence to get the sister of this family
Speaker 3: to serve as my translator to Bush. So I don't
Speaker 3: know if she actually fully translated what I wanted said
Speaker 3: to Bush to President Bush. And so this is the one.
Speaker 3: They all knew about it, she said, they all knew
Speaker 3: about it. It was because again the East Takistan issue,
Speaker 3: because China doesn't like this, doesn't want this you ever mentioned.
Speaker 3: And then she's like, after she blurted that out, because
Speaker 3: from everyone who knows that picture of her with Bush.
Speaker 3: There's one other lady in that picture, and everyone knows
Speaker 3: who that person is. She today, she masquades as an activist,
Speaker 3: continues to masquerade that life, but everyone knows who that is,
Speaker 3: and they dominate our diaspora, just like their family in
Speaker 3: East Ta Kistan used to dominate even the autonomous region.
Speaker 3: So this is this is the sad thing. Then Ribio
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'm getting tired, you know, let's just
Speaker 3: end the here. And I was forced end it. I
Speaker 3: couldn't keep pressing her. I was like all right, And
Speaker 3: then she's like, they will destroy you. You messed up.
Speaker 3: They will destroy you. And I was like, let them try.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: This was July tenth, two thousand and eighteen, live stream.
Speaker 3: The very next July eleventh, Guess who shows up in
Speaker 3: the office in my office, that woman, that young woman
Speaker 3: that came from Turkey. I would only learn years later
Speaker 3: who brought this person from Turkey? All this. So she
Speaker 3: comes in and I'm sitting and she's like, I want
Speaker 3: to help you, guys. I speak this, many languages, that
Speaker 3: many languages. I studied political science, I studied this, I
Speaker 3: studied that, you know, trying to make herself appearing and
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know, I told you we're not
Speaker 3: interested in working with you. Could you kindly leave? And
Speaker 3: she's like, I'm waiting for Rabia. I was like, Rabia,
Speaker 3: that has nothing to do, you know me, Like she's
Speaker 3: not even here, Like what she's like, Rabia told me
Speaker 3: to be here. So I called Rabia refuge is that call?
Speaker 3: Like picking up? And she just sits there and I'm like,
Speaker 3: if I touch this person, Like in my head, I'm like,
Speaker 3: if I touched this bitch, she's gonna claim that I
Speaker 3: assaulted her. Of course I'm a I'm in a very
Speaker 3: fucked up position right now. I was like, can you leave?
Speaker 3: Please leave? I asked her nicely several times. Then she
Speaker 3: touches me on the hand and she's like, I heard
Speaker 3: you don't like she does this. I heard you don't
Speaker 3: have a girlfriend, you know. Oh yeah, And she's dressed
Speaker 3: up very provocatively as well. I've got to mention that part.
Speaker 3: But I knew as soon as she entered that this
Speaker 3: was this was a trap, but I didn't know who
Speaker 3: the trap was being set by. You know, I didn't
Speaker 3: think of that, and so I told her, you know
Speaker 3: what I said, it's because the people like you, traders
Speaker 3: like you, that's the term I use. It's because of
Speaker 3: traders like you that millions of my people are in
Speaker 3: concentration camps right now, millions of our people are suffering
Speaker 3: right now, and you're over here shamelessly trying to serve
Speaker 3: the Chinese and their interests. I said, get the fuck
Speaker 3: out of my face. Yeah, I said, I don't want
Speaker 3: to ever fucking see you here. Get the fuck out
Speaker 3: of my face, you bitch. And I yelled it so
Speaker 3: loud that because we work in an office works space area,
Speaker 3: the others and the neighboring office is heard and they're like,
Speaker 3: what's going on. I said, this person is annoying me,
Speaker 3: she's leaving, and so she left.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 3: Then, well this is where the funny thing comes. This
Speaker 3: is where the game starts. Then I totally forget about that,
Speaker 3: you know. I was like, ah, this that ruined my day.
Speaker 3: And I called Herbia. She never picks up, and I
Speaker 3: keep calling her, calling her. Finally, at like ten pm,
Speaker 3: she calls me and she's like, oh, I'm sorry I
Speaker 3: missed your call. I was like, I was like, did
Speaker 3: you send this person here? I was like, did this
Speaker 3: person here. She's like, no, no, no, I have no I said,
Speaker 3: this is what this person tried to do. I said,
Speaker 3: who the hell? And she's like oh no no. And
Speaker 3: in my head, I'm still not thinking about, oh, this
Speaker 3: might be a trap from the day before, you know,
Speaker 3: the threat. Several months ago on apparently she filed the
Speaker 3: police report claiming that I threatened to kill her and
Speaker 3: that I was working for the FBI, the CIA, Turkish Intelligence.
Speaker 3: Of course, clearly, the police report also claimed that I
Speaker 3: engaged in anti Asian hate crime and anti Islamic hate crime.
Speaker 2: You are Asian and Islamic, no I I yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like what what? Oh? And then they
Speaker 3: also she was Tibetan, so like the police report also
Speaker 3: claimed that she was Tibetan and that, you know, I
Speaker 3: worked for the Embassy of Palau. Like, I was like,
Speaker 3: who'd have fuck even wrote this police report? What that?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: So they played all as dirty as humanly possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so so I don't I don't know about this.
Speaker 3: Of course. Of course I'm out there in front of
Speaker 3: the White House almost every every day Monday through Friday,
Speaker 3: like an hour, raising awareness, doing demonstrations. So if I
Speaker 3: wanted to if the Capitol police it's such a whatever
Speaker 3: US government wanted to arrest me for whatever, they could
Speaker 3: have just picked me up from there. No, according to
Speaker 3: the records, because it shows like the case was dismissed,
Speaker 3: the police report was dismissed. Then it was reopened again
Speaker 3: in August. So I went through a review and then
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, this is bullshit. Then it was
Speaker 3: reopened again. Then they changed them bullshit and added anti
Speaker 3: Islamic hate crime and you know, anti Asian hate crime,
Speaker 3: and then threats to do bab harm and all this
Speaker 3: other bull crap. Like I was like, what anyway, I
Speaker 3: still don't know about this. Then oh, by that time,
Speaker 3: I've been repeatedly calling out China's false flag, the et
Speaker 3: IP tip because they're still playing this propaganda game, trying
Speaker 3: to lure your wars into Syria, even in you know,
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. So I explained our people. I was like,
Speaker 3: this is a false flag. This does not benefit us.
Speaker 3: We have no fucking nothing to do with Syria r.
Speaker 3: This is the justification China is using to legitimize its genocide.
Speaker 3: Don't be dumb, don't fall for this trap. You know,
Speaker 3: use your brains people. So they began, you know, threatening me,
Speaker 3: like they call me an infidel, all this type of shit. Sure,
Speaker 3: then September tenth comes, September tenth, it's September tenth. And
Speaker 3: then as soon as it hits September eleven, like midnight,
Speaker 3: guess where I start receiving calls from.
Speaker 2: China, Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: ICE has got your number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm receiving you know, a bunch of calls from Afghanistan.
Speaker 3: Of course, I was like, ah, fuck, no, I don't
Speaker 3: have time to deal with this bullshit because it's nine
Speaker 3: eleven now. I was like, nah, there's some fishy shit.
Speaker 3: So I turned off my phone. Next morning, you know,
Speaker 3: I wake up, it's like six thirty am. I wake
Speaker 3: up and on my WhatsApp there's like three different Afghanistan numbers,
Speaker 3: all of them with like a bunch of audio messages,
Speaker 3: like and I'm not talking about one or two, I'm
Speaker 3: talking about like dozens of audio messages.
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, a lot of threads, a lot
Speaker 2: of threats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I opened only one and I listened
Speaker 3: to it and again it's it's Inwiger and it's from
Speaker 3: those tip fuckers, and they're like saying Oh, we're watching you.
Speaker 3: We know everything that you're doing. You've been brainwashed by
Speaker 3: the Western infidels. You can't be demonizing us like that.
Speaker 3: You know you should return to the troop out. The
Speaker 3: true path is to Giht against all infidels, all this
Speaker 3: type of bullshit. Right, So, by that time, we had
Speaker 3: we had we had some American volunteers, let's say, advisors.
Speaker 3: Let's just leave it in die like I don't want
Speaker 3: to go into detail that there were some folks giving
Speaker 3: us advice, et cetera from behind the scenes, and so
Speaker 3: I forwarded to them, to one of them, and that
Speaker 3: person was like, do not go to the White House today.
Speaker 3: Don't do your daily demonstration there today. Just stay the
Speaker 3: funk away from the White House while I try to
Speaker 3: figure out what the fuck is going on. Right, So
Speaker 3: this person was trying to protect me, and then so
Speaker 3: I don't go like I wanted to. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I have to go. And it's like, Folly, like I'm
Speaker 3: telling you stay the fuck away from the White House,
Speaker 3: Like you receiving these calls. This is not some random
Speaker 3: bullshit Like I'm gonna try to figure out what's going
Speaker 3: on until then, Like, don't even go anywhere near Washington, DC,
Speaker 3: you know, just stay the buck away. So I don't
Speaker 3: nothing happens. The next day, I go in front of
Speaker 3: the White House and it's not just me, it's a
Speaker 3: bunch of other wikers as well. Like we do. They
Speaker 3: like daily demonstration about an hour so we're protesting in
Speaker 3: front of the We're not protesting, we're demonstrating, protesting against
Speaker 3: the genocide, trying to raise awareness.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The Secret Service, all of them they already know me
Speaker 3: by now, like they know who I am. So they
Speaker 3: come up because they seem like literally every day they
Speaker 3: come and they're like, oh, are you slid here? I
Speaker 3: was like yeah. Then I was like then they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: can we see your idea? I was like okay, So
Speaker 3: I give them my ID and then they start radio
Speaker 3: and some ship and then they're like, you're you're under
Speaker 3: arrest for terrorism. I was like, what the heck?
Speaker 2: No, because of all the pings from Afghanistan to your phone.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's it's it's not really. Yeah, that was
Speaker 3: just the excuse to arrest me.
Speaker 2: I was just so and the Secret Service dudes knew
Speaker 2: you because you've been out there every day for months.
Speaker 3: They know, man. I was like, what the fuck, I
Speaker 3: have nothing. They're like, it's not our call. We're just
Speaker 3: doing our job. The guy is going to pick you up.
Speaker 3: So I get arrested and they hand me over to
Speaker 3: the FBI, and then the FBI puts me, you know,
Speaker 3: in the car and you know, takes me underground some
Speaker 3: location god knows where, probably their headquarters, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was in DC. We didn't go too far away
Speaker 3: from the White House. I think it was like a
Speaker 3: couple of minutes, like five minutes maybe six minutes drive.
Speaker 3: Then I repeatedly asked for a lawyer. By the way,
Speaker 3: oh sure, I was like, I want to lawyer, And
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, if you don't have anything to you know, Hi,
Speaker 3: if you're not afraid of you, you shouldn't be afraid to
Speaker 3: talk with us, you know, we just want to figure
Speaker 3: out what you know.
Speaker 2: I never said I was afraid to talk to you.
Speaker 2: I said I want a fucking lawyer.
Speaker 3: Dog.
Speaker 2: There's a difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they keep baiting and they're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll get you a lawyer. You know, we just want
Speaker 3: to we just want to know, like, you know, what's
Speaker 3: your ties to DT. I am and I was like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck? So I explained them. I was like, again,
Speaker 3: this is Chinese intelligence, false flag, this is I give
Speaker 3: them the whole thing, Like why are you protesting in
Speaker 3: front of I was like, dude, my people are facing
Speaker 3: a fucking genocide. I was like, at that time, the
Speaker 3: official figure that was actually cited by the US UH
Speaker 3: ambassador to the U was eight hundred thousand at least
Speaker 3: eight hundred thousand wigers have been taken into the camps.
Speaker 3: I said, at least eight hundred thousand of my people
Speaker 3: are in concentration camps. China's committing genocide against us. And
Speaker 3: they were mocking me like, oh, you know, it looks
Speaker 3: like the Nazis are back. Huh like this type of.
Speaker 2: Shit, of course, the fucking FBI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so two hours and forty minutes go by, two hours,
Speaker 3: the whole thing was two hours and forty minutes, two
Speaker 3: hours and thirty minutes go by. They asked me all
Speaker 3: types of stupid shit, like finally, you know, including like
Speaker 3: would I ever fight against the US? I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: why the fuck would I fight against the country that
Speaker 3: I'm looking up to as the savior of my people,
Speaker 3: Like like, like what like, what in that world? Like
Speaker 3: I said, even a dog doesn't you know white the
Speaker 3: hand that feeds him. I was like, come on, like,
Speaker 3: you can't. You guys can't be this dumb. I was like,
Speaker 3: y'all are the fucking FBI, you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Then after two hours thirty minute.
Speaker 2: That's where you're wrong, bucko. The FBI can be really
Speaker 2: fucking dumb.
Speaker 3: Actually, they yeah, anyways, they go out, they come back. Now,
Speaker 3: they go out and they said, okay, you're not a terrorist,
Speaker 3: we understand now. Then they go out. They come back
Speaker 3: in like a couple of minutes later with a piece
Speaker 3: of paper and they said, oh, well, the real reason
Speaker 3: that you're arrested is because on July eleventh, you threatened
Speaker 3: to kidnap and kill this woman.
Speaker 2: Oh, for the love of fuck, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then they're like, you cannot tell anyone we're
Speaker 3: conducting an investigation. You cannot tell anyone that you were arrested,
Speaker 3: that you were interrogated, none of this can We can't
Speaker 3: even tell anyone about this. Only your lawyer and even
Speaker 3: they can't tell this to the public.
Speaker 2: Fuck that we're telling everybody that way. How long ago
Speaker 2: is this?
Speaker 3: This was in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Ah, statute of limitations. You could talk about that shit now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So no, no, it's not just that that's like
Speaker 3: dragged out for three years. So twenty eighteen, this the
Speaker 3: first year. It was like status hearing upon status hearing
Speaker 3: upon status hearing. We're still investigating it. We're still investigating it.
Speaker 3: We're still investigating it. Oh. I hired a lawyer, I
Speaker 3: hired a private investigator. We found out who brought this
Speaker 3: everything from who brought this woman to the US to
Speaker 3: when she arrived to whose fucking house and basement she
Speaker 3: was living in through their own testimonies, you know, because
Speaker 3: they thought when this private investigator went around asking, they
Speaker 3: thought the guy was working for the government or something.
Speaker 3: So they all testified to their own shit. And I
Speaker 3: handed that to the FPAH, we like our lawyers handed
Speaker 3: that and I'm like, look, just as I suspected, because
Speaker 3: I told him, I suspect this is a Chinese intelligence operative,
Speaker 3: because this is what's going on. And then they kept
Speaker 3: trying to coerce me, you know, to just her a
Speaker 3: plea deal where I will only receive six months in jail.
Speaker 3: And I was like, plead deal for what? I didn't
Speaker 3: fucking do shit. You know. I was like, where's one evidence?
Speaker 3: I said, I told them, I said, they're like, you
Speaker 3: called her. I was like, find it. You have my
Speaker 3: phone records, you have my phone records, find her number,
Speaker 3: find one evidence. Give me a fucking recording that I
Speaker 3: called her, and if you want to execute me, I'll
Speaker 3: gladly accept it. I said, find out for me. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no, Like they kept postponing, kept delaying, kept all
Speaker 3: this for three years, three years straight. They tried to
Speaker 3: They tried to scare me. You know, they're saying that, oh,
Speaker 3: if you don't, if you don't, if you don't accept
Speaker 3: the plea deal, we're gonna charge you with you know,
Speaker 3: cause they're terrorist. Bullshit. Didn't work because I didn't fall
Speaker 3: for their bullshit trap. You know. If I had said
Speaker 3: one fucking thing, oh yeah, we we I think those
Speaker 3: are our soldiers or some shit right there, I've been gone,
Speaker 3: that would have been. But I knew. I knew this
Speaker 3: was all a fucking trap because that night, you know,
Speaker 3: like I didn't sleep throughout that whole night after that, like,
Speaker 3: after that interrogation, I was like, what the fuck, trying
Speaker 3: to figure out who all was involved in it? And
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck, this was the response from July tenth.
Speaker 3: This was that response. Yeah, and it literally it was.
Speaker 3: And this is how I found out about Document number seven.
Speaker 3: It was actually an FBI counterintelligence officer who's going to
Speaker 3: testify on my behalf that as I suspected that this
Speaker 3: woman was a Chinese intelligence operative and this is what
Speaker 3: China does. He was the one who told our lawyers,
Speaker 3: you know, there's a document the Chinese have actually instructing
Speaker 3: shit like this, and he told our lawyers, and that's
Speaker 3: how I learned about Document number seven. If this didn't
Speaker 3: happen to me, I would have never known about Document
Speaker 3: number seven.
Speaker 2: I had never heard of it until you brought it up, dude,
Speaker 2: and I just pulled up it, just googled it while
Speaker 2: you were talking about it, and that was just the
Speaker 2: quick little AI excerpts from it. I'm sure if I
Speaker 2: was to read the entirety of the document that it
Speaker 2: would go into explicit detail on all of what's actually
Speaker 2: authorized by the people of China to do to your people.
Speaker 2: It's oh my god, and yeah, this is this is insane.
Speaker 2: Not only is there a genocide going on, not only
Speaker 2: is it being completely covered up not only does our
Speaker 2: government know about it, and they're doing nothing to stop
Speaker 2: it or even acknowledge it. For the most part, the
Speaker 2: people out here that are doing the good work to
Speaker 2: try to get the word out there, if for nothing else,
Speaker 2: just to bring awareness to it. They literally on some
Speaker 2: conspiratorial level, are throwing spies at you to trip you up,
Speaker 2: and then our government is questioning if that's reality, and
Speaker 2: it's this is my mind blowing dude.
Speaker 3: The Chinese, I mean, they've they engage in all types
Speaker 3: of warfare, including law lawfare, so oh yeah, they were
Speaker 3: using law fair like because everything else felt like they
Speaker 3: tried to, you know, buy me off. That didn't fail.
Speaker 3: The nice approach didn't work because I was like, fuck you,
Speaker 3: I'm not in this for money. You were power, wealth
Speaker 3: or whatever that shit. I don't give a fuck about that.
Speaker 3: I'm over here trying to save my people and that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my country, that's it. I don't care about that. Like
Speaker 3: I'm willing to sacrifice my entire family for it as well,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not going to give up on that because
Speaker 3: this is the way my father raised me, you know,
Speaker 3: like he like God blessed the man, so he was
Speaker 3: like you have to be able to sacrifice everything, even us,
Speaker 3: if that's what's going to save our country.
Speaker 2: You have to do that because for a bigger goal
Speaker 2: than just you and just your bloodline, we're talking millions
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 3: And then so after that, it was, you know, they
Speaker 3: tried the harassment, demonization, you know, threats, hoping that I
Speaker 3: would be like, oh, pressure and be like, you know what,
Speaker 3: let me fuck this. You know this is too much.
Speaker 3: Let me just sit down and go, you know, jerk
Speaker 3: off in my corner or some shit. Excuse me, now,
Speaker 3: you're fine, bro, And so that didn't work. So now
Speaker 3: like we gotta we gotta handle this guy some way,
Speaker 3: some way legally to where legally, if we can lock
Speaker 3: him up, that's.
Speaker 2: Just as good as silencing him. And even if he
Speaker 2: does get out, he's forever tarnished, his reputation is gone
Speaker 2: and all this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for three years, just stretched out, I went
Speaker 3: through thirty status hearings, repeatedly asked for a trial, kept
Speaker 3: getting denied. The government refused to give up the interrogation
Speaker 3: for an entire year, citing national security.
Speaker 2: And national security.
Speaker 3: Even the judge was like, what the fuck? Yea, Even
Speaker 3: the judge was like, no, fuck you, you're gonna give the tape.
Speaker 3: And they're like, if you, if you're really concerned about
Speaker 3: your agent's name, rejact their redact their name, blur up
Speaker 3: their faces, and give the damn tape. Finally they gave
Speaker 3: the tape and then they're like, oh, we you know,
Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna dismiss it. Wow. Like that, they
Speaker 3: wanted to dismiss the whole thing. And then once they
Speaker 3: were about to dismiss it, then they're like, oh no,
Speaker 3: we changed our mind. A couple of weeks go by
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh no, we changed our mind. We're
Speaker 3: gonna charge you with anti Asian hate crime.
Speaker 2: Once again, charging an Asian who is of the Islamic
Speaker 2: faith with Asian and Muslim hate crime. That is the
Speaker 2: most ridicul Dave Chappelle ship I've ever heard in my life, exactly.
Speaker 3: And they kept trying to pressure me. You know, if
Speaker 3: if if you accept the plea deal, you'll only get
Speaker 3: six months in jail. If not, we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 3: you could look anywhere from five to ten years in prison.
Speaker 3: Except yeah, exactly, I was I was tired, and even
Speaker 3: my lawyer, I don't know what. I don't know if
Speaker 3: they bought off my lawyer or what the fuck happened
Speaker 3: with the lawyer. Even him, he was just like trying
Speaker 3: to pressure me to accept. And this lawyer was actually
Speaker 3: someone that, you know, one of those advisors had recommended.
Speaker 3: And this lawyer himself ended up his father was like
Speaker 3: some CIA you know, officer or some ship.
Speaker 2: So the fucking levels and networking with these assholes, I swear.
Speaker 3: Anyways, it gets, it gets even more fucked up. So
Speaker 3: they're they're trying to, you know, continuously do this. So
Speaker 3: finally I'm fed up. I was like, I can't talk
Speaker 3: to anyone about this. Nobody knows about this. I can't
Speaker 3: even tell my own parents' family about this. So like
Speaker 3: constantly I'm under this pressure, but I don't give up.
Speaker 3: I'm still advocating, I'm still doing my thing. I'm still
Speaker 3: making progress. Then finally, now it's two thousand and twenty one,
Speaker 3: the end of two thousand and the US is already
Speaker 3: recognized the genocide, by the way, like like.
Speaker 2: So it's not like you're gonna get interrogated again, Like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I guess the NATSS are bad, Like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's understood and recognized that there's some shit going
Speaker 2: down here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I believe. I just want to you can
Speaker 3: read about it. Because then I told the journalists after
Speaker 3: all this shit, the Daily Caller. Yeah, so yeah, it
Speaker 3: was twenty twenty two. At the end of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: They kept trying to push into a status, you know,
Speaker 3: kept pushing it back, kept trying to do it. It's
Speaker 3: been three years by now, and I'm like fucking tired,
Speaker 3: and to the point that I start reading up the
Speaker 3: law myself. You know. I was like, something, this fish
Speaker 3: is here, right, So I told my lawyer, you know what, like,
Speaker 3: fuck you, dude, you should have gotten me a speedy trial, one,
Speaker 3: an actual fucking trial. I should have had a trial
Speaker 3: years ago, right. I was like, I'm going to fire
Speaker 3: your ass. I'm going to go talk to some lawyer,
Speaker 3: other lawyers, and I'm going to go to the media.
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck at this point, I said,
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit. At this point, if they're
Speaker 3: going to arrest me, charge me with whatever crap, I
Speaker 3: don't care as long as they give me a trial.
Speaker 3: If if, if the jury hears all the evidence and
Speaker 3: they decide on whatever. If that's if that's the case,
Speaker 3: and if they decide to sentence me to death, I'll
Speaker 3: accept it. If not, screw this. There's there's some bullshit
Speaker 3: games being played here. I never thought China's influence was
Speaker 3: that powerful in the US government, but apparently it's it's power.
Speaker 2: It is everybody thinks that Israel's power is so so
Speaker 2: prevalent in the US government. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: it is bro China has so many politicians by the balls,
Speaker 2: it's not even funny.
Speaker 3: So what happened is after I threatened to you know,
Speaker 3: go to the UH to you know, journalists about this,
Speaker 3: guess what happens. And I threatened my lawyer to you know,
Speaker 3: to fire him and get a new one.
Speaker 2: You got a trial and everything got dropped.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, I didn't even get a trial.
Speaker 3: His next response within a few days was, oh, they
Speaker 3: dropped the case. No prosecute.
Speaker 4: Mmm.
Speaker 3: And what the funniest I have all the papers I have,
Speaker 3: like a document this, and the fact that I can
Speaker 3: pull it up for you, it's like right there.
Speaker 2: Wow, of all the but all the charges that they
Speaker 2: were about to put on.
Speaker 3: You, like literally this this thick.
Speaker 2: Good God, because of that one Turkish bitch that try
Speaker 2: to get in and honeypot.
Speaker 3: You oh she's she's from my own home country. Oh wow,
Speaker 3: it gets worse. She actually worked for the Chinese Education ministry.
Speaker 3: She worked for Chinese state media before she was brought
Speaker 3: to the US.
Speaker 2: So she's an understood spy. Like this is not a joke,
Speaker 2: This is not like a hypothetical.
Speaker 3: No, no, my suspicions was dead on, Like my suspicions
Speaker 3: of her, my gut feelings, the little arm bells in
Speaker 3: my head were dead on because after the stuff that
Speaker 3: the private an investigator found on her own fucking LinkedIn page,
Speaker 3: by the way, so even despite that, the this game
Speaker 3: went on, Like we handed all this information to the
Speaker 3: government and they insisted on playing this game. But anyways,
Speaker 3: after that, all this because we have all this records, right,
Speaker 3: physical records, because every little thing you get a record.
Speaker 3: But on the website you have you know, the PDFs.
Speaker 3: It shows that you went to status hearing. Everything that's
Speaker 3: said there is made into a record and uploaded as
Speaker 3: a pdf. Guess what happened on the website. All the
Speaker 3: PDFs are missing. It just says status hearing, status hearing.
Speaker 3: But the documents here have been completely erased.
Speaker 2: Wow, So they they're protecting.
Speaker 3: Her, not just her, because they're protecting the people involved
Speaker 3: in this, because she's just the bait. She was the bait,
Speaker 3: the person that they try to use to bait me.
Speaker 3: But if this actually went to trial, then they're gonna
Speaker 3: look into who the fuck brought this woman here, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is she doing here, who's she interacting with?
Speaker 3: Then all of the other people would have been exposed,
Speaker 3: including you know, that powerful family, but not only that
Speaker 3: powerful family, but who in the US, which individuals in
Speaker 3: the government, or which you know, corporations. It's cecha are
Speaker 3: involved with this family, and we're talking about a large
Speaker 3: pharmaceutical company where her brother works as a senior director.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, isn't it somewhere around like
Speaker 2: a order of all? Well no, no, I'm sorry. It's a
Speaker 2: quarter of all pharmaceuticals are based from natural sources. But
Speaker 2: I want to say half of the American pharmaceuticals come
Speaker 2: from China. Well it's something high, like a percentage, like
Speaker 2: crazy like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not only that, but if you remember a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, there was a leak of ccp uh
Speaker 3: you know, folks with CCP members, including those that had
Speaker 3: that were at high level you know, positions within Western companies,
Speaker 3: including certain pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, god, okay, So so you made it on
Speaker 2: the other side of the trial. You're a free man.
Speaker 2: There's no charges pressing against you or anything like that
Speaker 2: in your back into the advocacy.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I've never given up on the advocacy, Like
Speaker 3: I've never stopped doing that. Even despite all that, I
Speaker 3: kept going. But uh, that was you know, their attempts
Speaker 3: to try to stop me, to try to demonize me.
Speaker 3: Because what the other Weiger human rights groups would do
Speaker 3: after that was like, oh, solely got arrested. You know,
Speaker 3: he threatened this woman. He's he got arrested for threatening
Speaker 3: this woman. Do you know that, you know you shouldn't
Speaker 3: meet with him. They would try to sabotage all my
Speaker 3: you know, contacts in the US Congress, try to det
Speaker 3: me as some you know.
Speaker 2: Well, now the case has dropped, has your credibility been restored?
Speaker 3: I mean not really, the damage has been done. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Though the Daily Caller that's who I had reached out to,
Speaker 3: In fact, the reporter Philip he's really great, he's been.
Speaker 3: He's an investigative reporter and he's been, you know, exposing
Speaker 3: a lot of things that the CCP he's doing in
Speaker 3: the United States and a lot of CCP connections to
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, different folks in the US.
Speaker 3: And so he was actually asking me about you know,
Speaker 3: Chinese you know, transnational repression, and he's like, do you
Speaker 3: know anyone that has faced this? And I was like, bro,
Speaker 3: you're talking to the guy like you won't believe the
Speaker 3: shit that I've been through, right, And this was dropped
Speaker 3: in February, in January of twenty twenty two. In February
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two is when we started. I started talking
Speaker 3: to him, and even he tried to request the government,
Speaker 3: the FBI and others to give you know, the records,
Speaker 3: the police records, the interrogation records, all of that. They
Speaker 3: kept refusing, They kept extending their time, right and then
Speaker 3: refusing to give it up. And he was like, Bro,
Speaker 3: this is like the most weirdest shit ran into And
Speaker 3: luckily I had all this copies because if I didn't
Speaker 3: have these physical copies, no, virtually it's gone. But if
Speaker 3: I didn't, if I hadn't kept these, it would have
Speaker 3: been very difficult. So I you know, scanned all of
Speaker 3: this and sent it to him and he tried to
Speaker 3: reach out to those people, including that woman, and she
Speaker 3: claimed she had COVID.
Speaker 2: She wasn't even there that day she had COVID. She
Speaker 2: was nowhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, like she's like initially she's like, oh, you know, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll do an interview and I'll tell my side of
Speaker 3: the story. Then she ran away from it. Then the
Speaker 3: other weaker groups. Because the funny thing is, the police
Speaker 3: report claims that she was a volunteer for that weaker
Speaker 3: human rights group. That's what the police report states, and
Speaker 3: they fucked up on that part. That's where they fucked
Speaker 3: up is because they mentioned the fact that she was
Speaker 3: a volunteer at that we your organization, and that weaker organization,
Speaker 3: you know, is has a lot more connections than I do.
Speaker 2: Let's just say, are they a legitimate weaker organization or
Speaker 2: are they a part of the sabotage?
Speaker 3: No, they're they're part of the sabotage. They're not legitimate
Speaker 3: in that sense. I mean they were created. They were
Speaker 3: created specifically to you know, undermine, like move us away
Speaker 3: from our independence cause to a Okay, we'll accept human
Speaker 3: rights and autonomy and their China thing just which which
Speaker 3: essentially actually buys time for China to continue facilitating its
Speaker 3: colonization genocide to an irreversible point.
Speaker 2: This is why.
Speaker 3: Independence is the only solution to save our people, to
Speaker 3: maintain our very existence, because we've been autonomous for seventy
Speaker 3: years now. China just celebrated seventy years of autonomy, and
Speaker 3: he's Trakistan. What has that? It brought us from ninety
Speaker 3: six percent of the population to less than fifty eight percent.
Speaker 3: We will specifically went from ninety percent to less than
Speaker 3: you know, if we buy China's if we buy into
Speaker 3: China's narrative official statistics, to less than forty six percent,
Speaker 3: we are being you know, completely wiped out in slow
Speaker 3: motion while the world doesn't do anything. And unfortunately governments,
Speaker 3: despite the recognition, despite you know, valance of never again,
Speaker 3: they are refusing to act. And because China, you know,
Speaker 3: is one economically and politically powerful too, we're economically to
Speaker 3: inter to reliant on China. Like for example, President Trump
Speaker 3: was trying to put tariffs on China and then China
Speaker 3: was like, oh yeah, well fuck you, and they what
Speaker 3: do they do they're like, we're not gonna you know,
Speaker 3: we're going to ban the sale of critical minerals to you,
Speaker 3: the export of critical minerals to the Western countries, right,
Speaker 3: And the US made the dumbest mistake by opening up
Speaker 3: the China and giving China, you know, control of you know,
Speaker 3: all of the critical mineral processing to where now, because
Speaker 3: critical minerals is used in everything from weapons systems to
Speaker 3: you know, phones, to computers, to anything electronic to if
Speaker 3: we want to survive in the twenty first century, you
Speaker 3: need critical minerals. China controls seventy percent of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fortunately, Oh bro, Okay, So what's next for you
Speaker 2: as you move forward and as you continue to be
Speaker 2: an advocate and fight the good fight for your people,
Speaker 2: what does what does your next steps look like?
Speaker 3: Well, right now, we're trying to get the international community.
Speaker 3: We've already got recognition of the genocide. We already you know,
Speaker 3: got a lot of condemnations, but no meaningful actions. So
Speaker 3: but no one is talking about the root of the issue. Again,
Speaker 3: many people are mistakenly saying, oh, China is persecuting we
Speaker 3: just because they're Muslim. Now that's not that's not the case.
Speaker 3: If it was solely because we were Muslim. Then you
Speaker 3: have ten to fifteen million Chinese, ten to fifteen million
Speaker 3: Chinese Muslims, yet nothing is happening to them, right because
Speaker 3: it's simply because we're not Chinese. It's because China wants
Speaker 3: to continue its colonization and essentially wipe us out. So
Speaker 3: for us, that is the root. To address meaningfully address
Speaker 3: the issue, you have to address the root, which is
Speaker 3: Chinese occupation and colonization. So we're urging the international community,
Speaker 3: especially you know, governments like the US, to recognize this
Speaker 3: as an occupied country, support our right to self determination
Speaker 3: under international law, and then to you know, take meaningful
Speaker 3: actions that you know, we're not asking the US and
Speaker 3: others to, oh, start supplying us with weapons and this
Speaker 3: is now, We're asking you to do the bare minimum
Speaker 3: under international law, the bare minimum of your obligations, which
Speaker 3: is actually try to you know, hold China accountable for
Speaker 3: the crime of genocide. Uh, you know, through international you know,
Speaker 3: at least through the same level that the US has
Speaker 3: been you know, putting pressuring Ukraine. You know, from the
Speaker 3: economic political perspective, I'm not I'm not even getting into
Speaker 3: the military party. From that perspective. You know, that's all
Speaker 3: we're asking for now, because the time will come and
Speaker 3: never inevitably China is going to get into a conflict
Speaker 3: with the US or another bigger power, and it's just
Speaker 3: a matter of time. Yeah, it's going to happen, I
Speaker 3: believe in the next decade, if not sooner, I hope.
Speaker 2: So I'm somebody who Okay, I know people are gonna
Speaker 2: think that I'm crazy for this. I don't care. Everybody
Speaker 2: was super afraid of Russia because they're Russia. I said
Speaker 2: for years that they are a paper tiger. The only
Speaker 2: thing that's scary about them is their numbers. But before Ukraine,
Speaker 2: I guess you could argue, before crimea right, nobody from
Speaker 2: their top general to their bottom lowliest private had actually
Speaker 2: been shot at or been in a gunfight. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that they didn't have quote unquote impressive weapons
Speaker 2: and tactics and blah blah blah. They were so arrogant
Speaker 2: that they genuinely believed that they were gonna blow through
Speaker 2: the entirety of Ukraine in two weeks. We are now
Speaker 2: about to round the corner on year four of their
Speaker 2: special military operation. Because their military is dog shit. And
Speaker 2: I know there's a hot take here. I feel China
Speaker 2: is even worse because, yes, they're big asset is their numbers,
Speaker 2: But if you take any kind of real critical look
Speaker 2: at their their air platforms. They swear the sou fifty
Speaker 2: sevens like the greatest things in sliced bread are f eighteens,
Speaker 2: which are like antiquated by all standards, or by our
Speaker 2: standards anyway, could smoke check those in any kind of
Speaker 2: actual air to air dogfight. You look at their radar capabilities,
Speaker 2: you look at their miss missile capabilities, you look at
Speaker 2: the very baseline training that your front infantry units receive.
Speaker 2: It is dog shit compared to America. So for China
Speaker 2: to get involved in an actual conflict with a actual
Speaker 2: competitor i e. US, it would be it would be
Speaker 2: a prison rate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it'd be disastrous. And this is the
Speaker 3: part that many people don't understand, Like China is not
Speaker 3: going to go to war without you know, completely finishing
Speaker 3: off us because we're the biggest vulnerability for them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but until you know they have gotten you know, full
Speaker 3: you know, confident, like one confidency that they're they're going
Speaker 3: to succeed, and right now, China's not confident like that
Speaker 3: is why.
Speaker 2: If they were, they would have moved on Taiwan already,
Speaker 2: if they were so confident, that would have been done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll, they'll threaten it. They they'll you know, they've
Speaker 3: been threatening to take Taiwan since Mouth took over China
Speaker 3: like seventy some years, uh, seventy six years. The reason
Speaker 3: they haven't is because they're still not quote unquote ready.
Speaker 3: They're not one hundred percent confident, especially right now. That's
Speaker 3: why China has been heavily investing in a lot of
Speaker 3: propaganda and their diplomatic and economic power. So what China
Speaker 3: ultimately wants to do is use the threat of we
Speaker 3: will attack you, we will invade you to coerce those
Speaker 3: other countries to you know, appease China and be like,
Speaker 3: all right, you know what, let's not go to the war.
Speaker 2: But they've also been smarter about it. They've been going
Speaker 2: at it on the economic side too, right, So example
Speaker 2: of this in twenty sixteen, I think it was when
Speaker 2: the oil prices dipped out. Right, had a buddy of
Speaker 2: mine working for Chevron in the Democratic Republic of the Congo,
Speaker 2: or he might have been in Nigeria at that time.
Speaker 2: Either way, it was in Central Africa, right, and he
Speaker 2: was making crazy money because the oil field was booming,
Speaker 2: and I mean out of country workers in the oil field,
Speaker 2: you make that moan ney. Then the oil prices dip out,
Speaker 2: and as Chevron is pulling out, Chinese investors moved in.
Speaker 2: Same thing that took place in Afghanistan when American troops
Speaker 2: rolled out, Chinese mining conglomerates moved in. So China understands
Speaker 2: because they screwed themselves out of their biggest asset, which
Speaker 2: was their manpower, their numbers. That was a big thing
Speaker 2: the Chinese military since the beginning. They'll throw two million
Speaker 2: dudes out of problem. And I mean if they lose it,
Speaker 2: they lose it. They don't care. They've never really cared
Speaker 2: about losing manpower. So they have seen that this one
Speaker 2: child policy has fucked them out of their biggest asset.
Speaker 2: So they have been trying to wage a financial war
Speaker 2: on the world, but they haven't been overtly loud about it.
Speaker 2: They're basically throwing the rope around the neck and they
Speaker 2: are getting ready to tighten the noos if ever needed.
Speaker 2: But that's been their plan on the whole on the
Speaker 2: whole back end of it that a lot of Americans
Speaker 2: and a lot of Western countries don't really understand. Then
Speaker 2: when you look at their Belton Road initiative and you
Speaker 2: look at the actual principle behind it, the direction it's
Speaker 2: going across the world, which countries does it make very
Speaker 2: strategic stops and and everything else that's done like you said, yes,
Speaker 2: for military purposes. Absolutely agree with that. It's also being
Speaker 2: done to where they can cut off the flow to
Speaker 2: certain countries because, like you said, semiconductors are that's a
Speaker 2: big hot button item right now, right and I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not saying that's gonna go away anytime soon
Speaker 2: by any means. But when you look at the amount
Speaker 2: of resources that other country tes rely on China for
Speaker 2: the instant that somebody pisses them off enough, they could
Speaker 2: just cut them off and they're screwed. And so it's
Speaker 2: this is a war being waged on multiple fronts, and
Speaker 2: they have to be smart about it because they no
Speaker 2: longer have the manpower to back. They can't cash the
Speaker 2: check that they used to be able to write.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the Chinese military strategists lave in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight, they wrote a book called Unrestricted Warfare, and
Speaker 3: it's about actually fighting against the US and they talk
Speaker 3: about using all means of war except for conventional warfare,
Speaker 3: so using all means including terrorism, including economic warfare, political warfare, lawfare,
Speaker 3: drug fare.
Speaker 2: China doesn't want a connectic war with the US. They
Speaker 2: don't want that smoke, no.
Speaker 3: Because they know if they get into a kinetic war,
Speaker 3: they it's going to be a disastrous end for them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they don't want to go that route. That's why
Speaker 3: they're heavily investing in manipulating and you know, co opting
Speaker 3: both Americans internally, but also destroying our next generations, whether
Speaker 3: it's through fentanyl killing hundreds of thousands of Americans a year,
Speaker 3: pretty year.
Speaker 2: Or TikTok.
Speaker 3: Rotten the minds, Yeah, rotten the minds because the same
Speaker 3: bullshit that they propagate here to you know, to screw
Speaker 3: the minds of the American younger generations are the future
Speaker 3: of America. In this case, they will never put that
Speaker 3: allot of that for their own people, for god now,
Speaker 3: because their goal is to dominate the world. And that
Speaker 3: is literally their agenda, if you like. In nineteen twenty one,
Speaker 3: the Chinese leader Sun Yatsen. He wrote a book called
Speaker 3: The International Development of China then, and in it he
Speaker 3: pretty much highlights that within one hundred years there's gonna
Speaker 3: be two major powers in the world. And he said
Speaker 3: it's gonna be the Anglo uh the White race led
Speaker 3: by the Anglo Saxons, and the Yellow race led by
Speaker 3: the Chinese. And he says they're gonna they're gonna fight.
Speaker 3: So China needs to prepare for that real fight. So
Speaker 3: this is this is not like some ship that's like
Speaker 3: happening in the past ten five years, Like they think strategically,
Speaker 3: whereas the US unfortunately, you know, hm, one of like
Speaker 3: that's like the the bad thing about our uh democracy
Speaker 3: is that every four years you get a leadership change
Speaker 3: and then they undo whatever policy was, you know, in
Speaker 3: place the previous four So you were starting from scratch
Speaker 3: every fucking four years. With China, it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: this is our goal for the next five years, this
Speaker 3: is our goal for the next ten years, this is
Speaker 3: our goal for the next fifty years, this is our
Speaker 3: goal for the next one hundred years, and it just
Speaker 3: moves on in progression. Yeah, that's what has been so
Speaker 3: successful and it's and it's you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, there's definitely a downside to democracy one and
Speaker 2: especially whenever you get the uh the elected officials who
Speaker 2: can be so easily swayed when enough money is thrown
Speaker 2: their way, regardless of what campaign promises they made to
Speaker 2: get into office, regardless of whatever side of the aisle
Speaker 2: they claim to be on, or whatever else. And a
Speaker 2: perfect example of that is look at these Epstein files,
Speaker 2: and before that, look at whatever kind of new policy
Speaker 2: was trying to be enacted. Trump himself is he is
Speaker 2: an outlier to a lot of things, and I get that,
Speaker 2: but you have Trump derangement syndrome going so hard in
Speaker 2: DC right now. You've got people that worship every word
Speaker 2: he says because they want to be his guy. And
Speaker 2: then you've got people that think that he's literally satan
Speaker 2: and everything he says. It's more polarized, right but behind
Speaker 2: closed doors, that money spends the same regardless of what
Speaker 2: party these people claim to be about. And I mean,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I'm a huge proponent of democracy.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I wish we actually had
Speaker 2: a true republic, not a democracy here. But that's just
Speaker 2: my own hot take. But it breeds a perfect breeding
Speaker 2: ground for advancement, and for technological advancement, and for socioeconomic advancement,
Speaker 2: all these things. Democracy is the only system where you
Speaker 2: can go from the lowest one percent to the wealthiest
Speaker 2: one percent in one generation. No other system of economy
Speaker 2: or government has that ability readily available for their citizenry. Right,
Speaker 2: So there's so many goods, but there is so much
Speaker 2: negative that comes with that as well. And you just
Speaker 2: highlighted a very crucial point in that for sure.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean from the like from the espionage perspective,
Speaker 3: for example, China is engaging in deep espionage. They're engaging
Speaker 3: in political warfare, taking advantage of the openings of our
Speaker 3: democratic system. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, we had our own CIA spying on Trump
Speaker 2: from the last administration and then two administrations before that.
Speaker 2: We're spying on him for something else, And it's the
Speaker 2: loyalties aren't where they need to be because the head
Speaker 2: of the CIA and the head of the FBI are
Speaker 2: appointed by the current president, which means the former head.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. It's a figurehead. The agent, the
Speaker 2: field agent that's working for the CIA and been there
Speaker 2: for twenty years, has been there through multiple administrations. So
Speaker 2: they're just there digging up the dirt on whoever they're
Speaker 2: getting paid to dig up the dirt on. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter to them. That's no skin off their nose. But
Speaker 2: that's that's the point. It's a giant blackmail operation in
Speaker 2: that kind of espionage warfare that pendulum swings both ways,
Speaker 2: even in house, and that's a massive problem.
Speaker 3: But we should be targeting, you know, we should be
Speaker 3: focused on our external enemy rather than you know, taking
Speaker 3: our own graves.
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, Yo, I do appreciate you coming on
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