Speaker 1: My Billy Cunningham, the great American.
Speaker 2: Of course, Channel ninety I team under the leadership of
Speaker 2: Paula Christian, has done an excellent report on what did
Speaker 2: the mayor know and when did he know it? Have
Speaker 2: to had purevoll? What did the police department know and
Speaker 2: when did they know it? About the information about the
Speaker 2: murder of Patrick Herringer and inside his own home. And
Speaker 2: you may recall at the time everyone was saying, including
Speaker 2: the mayor, that we weren't notified, didn't know about it.
Speaker 2: New information seems to Connord Dick the statement made by
Speaker 2: Mayor I have to have pureval in the aftermath of
Speaker 2: the murder of Patrick Herringer on June fourth, and I
Speaker 2: had on Sarah about two weeks later to say she's
Speaker 2: devastated would be an understatement to have someone murdered in
Speaker 2: cold blood in your own home. But Paula Christian, once again,
Speaker 2: welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And can you tell
Speaker 2: the American people what the IT team has discovered about
Speaker 2: reviewing the records and what the city knew and when
Speaker 2: they knew it about the release in the activities of
Speaker 2: one Mordecai black.
Speaker 3: Well. Thank you for having me it's always a pleasure. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I did uncover that Cincinnati police knew about Mordecai blacks
Speaker 3: outstanding parole violations two months before the murder happened. They
Speaker 3: got the hits while investigating a domestic disturbance. Mordecai's girlfriend
Speaker 3: called the police on April sixth in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night, and she was reporting that Mordecai had broken
Speaker 3: into her place where they apparently lived together, after she
Speaker 3: threw him out and they had a fight and he
Speaker 3: broke in through a fire escape, climbed through a window,
Speaker 3: and when she got home, he was standing there naked
Speaker 3: in her home. So she called police. Police came out,
Speaker 3: they interviewed her. Mordecai was not there when police got there.
Speaker 3: She told police what happened, and she listed Mordecai's address
Speaker 3: as her own address, which is a multi family home
Speaker 3: on Vine Street, and the police officers on the scene
Speaker 3: went out to their cruiser and they ran Mordecai Black's
Speaker 3: name through their mobile data computer and they got six
Speaker 3: hits for parole violation, which does seem to contradict a
Speaker 3: statement made by Mayor Atappuraval.
Speaker 2: You have that in your story in which you relate
Speaker 2: that the mayor. I could recall it specifically that the
Speaker 2: mayor at the time said, we knew nothing, didn't know
Speaker 2: about it, and we got to do better. The Adult
Speaker 2: Parole Authority suddenly they got involved and they started talking about, okay,
Speaker 2: we put it in the system, and the mayor kind
Speaker 2: of pictured this thing is something where the he wasn't involved,
Speaker 2: we weren't notified. We got to do better. It's unacceptable.
Speaker 2: I don't know what level of violence is acceptable, but
Speaker 2: it's certainly unacceptable. But when you talk about the six hits,
Speaker 2: you also say in your story that one of the CPD,
Speaker 2: sergeant Anthony Mitchell, confirmed to you that the officer has
Speaker 2: got six hits on black for par violations when they
Speaker 2: entered his name into a mobile computer base on April
Speaker 2: sixth during a domestic disturbance. And so you would have
Speaker 2: to say that of the six hits, the city knew
Speaker 2: at least two months before the murder of Patrick that
Speaker 2: this guy was a terrible, terrible risk of committing some
Speaker 2: future crime. He'd spent most of his life in jail.
Speaker 2: I was told by someone in the state that he
Speaker 2: had numerous violations of proper behavior in prison, for the
Speaker 2: years he was locked up. He was a terrible, terrible inmate,
Speaker 2: and they never pursued that. I had a state official
Speaker 2: tell me Paula Christian that when fights and robberies take
Speaker 2: place in prison, they generally don't pursue it at all
Speaker 2: because there's too much of it going on.
Speaker 1: They simply let it, let it go.
Speaker 2: They should have pursued criminal charges against him while he
Speaker 2: was locked up in prison, because you can't commit a
Speaker 2: bunch of crimes in prison and not be able accountable
Speaker 2: for it. But nonetheless, so when I have to have
Speaker 2: Piraval said the city was completely in the dark about this,
Speaker 2: was that, shall we say inaccurate?
Speaker 3: Well, it was inaccurate that Cincinnati police did know about
Speaker 3: the parole violations two months in advance. What they knew
Speaker 3: about them, I don't know. My understanding from talking to
Speaker 3: the police spokesperson is when you're checking a person's name
Speaker 3: through the system and it comes up a parole violation,
Speaker 3: it doesn't list details of what that parole violation is.
Speaker 3: It could just be a missed parole meeting, so they
Speaker 3: don't know. And that's the explanation that that I received.
Speaker 3: So the city in the early aftermath of the terrible murder.
Speaker 3: They did shift the blame or try to shift the
Speaker 3: blame to the Ohio Adult Parole Authority and Ohio Department
Speaker 3: of Rehabilitation and Correction, saying you never told us. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've got the mayor's statement here. He said when he
Speaker 3: cut his ankle monitor, city law enforcement should have been
Speaker 3: notified immediately and he should have been tracked down and apprehended.
Speaker 3: That this didn't happen is unacceptable. So they tried to
Speaker 3: shift the blame to the state. The state pushed back
Speaker 3: and said, look, within twenty four hours of him missing
Speaker 3: his meeting with his parole officer and cutting off his
Speaker 3: ankle monitor, we did file arrest warrants and violations in
Speaker 3: the system that should have been spotted by Cincinnati police.
Speaker 2: So after the incident with the so called girlfriend, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine being a girlfriend of Mortca Black, but that's
Speaker 2: a different issue. After the incident with the girlfriend, the
Speaker 2: police went out and they ran immediately through. They found it,
Speaker 2: okay that this is a guy that's wanted. We don't
Speaker 2: know why he's wanted, but he's wanted. And then you
Speaker 2: also indicate that the police did not track down Mordecai
Speaker 2: Black after issuing a warren for his arrest because the burglary.
Speaker 2: So the burglary took place on about April to sixth,
Speaker 2: and a warren was an issued for his arrest until
Speaker 2: May fifteenth, which is what five six weeks later. Do
Speaker 2: you know why it took five or six weeks to
Speaker 2: issue a warren for his arrest.
Speaker 3: Well, actually those are two different crimes, well multiple. Mordecai
Speaker 3: was very active. Police did not charge him for that
Speaker 3: domestic disturbance or that break in because they with his girlfriend,
Speaker 3: because they said they got conflicting stories and after consulting
Speaker 3: with prosecutors, they did not charge him, so they This
Speaker 3: is a whole separate other burglary that Mordecai Black is
Speaker 3: accused of committing on Straight Street on May fifteenth, in
Speaker 3: which he again broke into a home and to a
Speaker 3: residents woke up and told them to leave, and he fled.
Speaker 3: Police came out. They filed a warrant that day for burglary,
Speaker 3: but it was never served, so he was never arrested
Speaker 3: until after Patrick Herringer was killed.
Speaker 2: So the May fifteenth, and you make the point A
Speaker 2: Paula Christian of Channel nine in your story that the
Speaker 2: police on May fifteenth, after the second burglary, and I
Speaker 2: was told he committed many other offenses that he wasn't
Speaker 2: arrested for, but they could couldn't prove it, so they
Speaker 2: let it go.
Speaker 1: But on May fifteenth, they.
Speaker 2: Knew it was a second burglary, they knew he was
Speaker 2: wanted by parole, and they knew where he lived or
Speaker 2: supposedly lived.
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what my reporting has determined. And all of
Speaker 3: this is based on police records. So all of this
Speaker 3: information came from the Cincinnati Police's own documents.
Speaker 2: Why didn't they go out and get them after May fifteenth,
Speaker 2: before the June fourth murder of Patrick?
Speaker 1: Well, what's the reason?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I asked for an interview with Cincinnati Police,
Speaker 3: and I asked for an interview with somebody from the city,
Speaker 3: and I did not My request for an interview was
Speaker 3: not accepted. So if I had had the opportunity to
Speaker 3: speak to them, I would have certainly ask those questions.
Speaker 3: So what happens is the public is left to guess
Speaker 3: and wonder and speculate, And you know, I would prefer
Speaker 3: to ask those questions myself.
Speaker 2: But the city doesn't respond. They don't say no to you,
Speaker 2: They simply don't respond at all.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I was told the Cincinnati police declined, my
Speaker 3: it's my request for an interview, so they said now.
Speaker 3: But I think it's important to also point out is
Speaker 3: we you know, they knew where he lived on this
Speaker 3: Vine at this Vine Street home, and he continued to
Speaker 3: return there. So if police wanted to find him, they
Speaker 3: really could have just staked out this property because you know,
Speaker 3: just an hour or less than an hour before this,
Speaker 3: this terrible murder happened, we have on video from a
Speaker 3: source a man who looks just like Mordecai Black leaving
Speaker 3: that apartment again with a whole bunch of things in
Speaker 3: his hand, shoes, clothes, and running out the door. And
Speaker 3: around that same time, somebody from that address called nine
Speaker 3: to one one and said we had a burglary and
Speaker 3: somebody took jim shoes, keys, and other I so, and
Speaker 3: the video tracks him directly from that house to right
Speaker 3: in the same area of where the Herringers live. And
Speaker 3: you know also he was carrying a knife.
Speaker 2: Well, one answer to that question might be when I
Speaker 2: talked to a state Rep. Stacy Abrams, who spent twenty
Speaker 2: years as a cop in Cincinnati, and I spoke to
Speaker 2: Ken Cober. It used to be that when cops showed
Speaker 2: up for a shift, as it wasn't a lot going on,
Speaker 2: they would assigned each police officer two or three warrants
Speaker 2: to go find this guy, and then they would spend
Speaker 2: time locating him because not much was going on. When
Speaker 2: you're down two hundred and fifty street police officers in
Speaker 2: the city of Cincinnati, there are many times as one
Speaker 2: car for the Central Business District from the Ohio River
Speaker 2: up through OTR. Ken Kober told me, there are many
Speaker 2: occasions we have one car on duty from between midnight
Speaker 2: and seven am one and if that person is in
Speaker 2: a traffic situation, violation or whatever, no one's picking up
Speaker 2: war Owrance to go look for anybody anymore because they're
Speaker 2: overwhelmed and they don't have time. And that's what ken
Speaker 2: Kober and State Rep. Stacy Abrams said that this is
Speaker 2: a classic example where after May fifteenth, there was an
Speaker 2: active warrant for the arrest of Mordecai Black. They knew
Speaker 2: where he lived, they knew his dangerous proclivities. They also
Speaker 2: had the information from April six burglary that they decided
Speaker 2: not to pursue, and they knew this guy was a
Speaker 2: vicious criminal. And because of staffing problems, I was told
Speaker 2: that we don't take warrants anymore on a shift to
Speaker 2: go find somebody.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, these police officers, they are following the
Speaker 3: directive of what their boss tells them to do. So,
Speaker 3: you know, if their boss is saying, you know, you've
Speaker 3: got to go patrol north over the Rhine and that's
Speaker 3: what you're gonna do, or you're going to go patrol
Speaker 3: Smail Park, or you're going to you know, I'm sure
Speaker 3: that their boss is not telling them go deliver these
Speaker 3: warrants or go look for these people, these fugitives, and
Speaker 3: they're not doing it. They're they're just following the orders
Speaker 3: that their bosses are giving them, would be my interpretation.
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe maybe it does require more police officers.
Speaker 3: But these are questions for the public. I mean, the
Speaker 3: public has to decide what kind of city they want,
Speaker 3: what they want their police to do, what is important
Speaker 3: to them. These these are questions for them. All I'm
Speaker 3: doing is giving them all the information so they can
Speaker 3: bring these questions to their elected leaders and their police
Speaker 3: chiefs and ask themselves.
Speaker 2: And Paul, that's a great comment. The officers will do
Speaker 2: what they're told to do. I head on a guest
Speaker 2: about a year ago and out of front of Saint
Speaker 2: Francis Sarah Church on Central Park in which is open
Speaker 2: air drug dealing, open air prostitution, human excrement is deposited
Speaker 2: on the alleys and streets around that previously great Catholic church.
Speaker 2: The Catholic and priest in charge shut the door and
Speaker 2: locked and he couldn't deal with all what was going on.
Speaker 2: And police officers in uniform and cars were drove drive
Speaker 2: by open air drug dealing and open air prostitution and
Speaker 2: do nothing about it. And there were three or four
Speaker 2: business owners that said, we can't, we can't live like this.
Speaker 2: There's no business being conducted, and they had to close
Speaker 2: their businesses. And that event brought little or no action
Speaker 2: from the City of Cincinnati other than holding a news
Speaker 2: conference which happened yesterday in which the mayor and the
Speaker 2: city manager and the police chief dislocated their shoulders, patting
Speaker 2: themselves on the back about what a great job they're doing,
Speaker 2: how much crime is down, but we know it's not down.
Speaker 2: We know it's bad, and now every night there's more murders.
Speaker 2: Had on about an hour ago Steve Gooden, in which
Speaker 2: there was a street takeover in Clifton that was on
Speaker 2: Channel nine in which large numbers of individuals dancing on
Speaker 2: city cars, open air drug use, selling beer and drugs
Speaker 2: out the back of cars, brandishing firearms the firetruck and
Speaker 2: Clifton could not get out of the fire station for
Speaker 2: a call the number of people and that has caused
Speaker 2: no stir at all. And all you can do is
Speaker 2: report the facts as you've said, and we get the
Speaker 2: city we deserve. And if they spend their time complimenting
Speaker 2: themselves what a great job they've done. Without without referencing
Speaker 2: these kinds of events, we're going to end up like
Speaker 2: downtown Chicago, New York and Philadelphia. But Paula Christian, thank you,
Speaker 2: and you put it out there. And the city had
Speaker 2: six hits to pick up Mordecai Black and failed to
Speaker 2: do so, resulting June fourth and the murder. Especially after
Speaker 2: May fifteenth, it was obvious this guy was a danger
Speaker 2: to the community and the city police simply did not respond.
Speaker 2: But Paula Christian, thanks, thank you, and good luck to
Speaker 2: you and all the folks in Channel nine.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Paula Christian, thank you. Oh, let's continue with more. There
Speaker 1: you have it. The facts will set us free.
Speaker 2: And when the mayor says we didn't know about it,
Speaker 2: six times, they knew about it and did nothing.
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham seven hundred wold