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<v Speaker 1>My Billy Cunningham, the great American.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Channel ninety I team under the leadership of

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<v Speaker 2>Paula Christian, has done an excellent report on what did

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor know and when did he know it? Have

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<v Speaker 2>to had purevoll? What did the police department know and

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<v Speaker 2>when did they know it? About the information about the

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<v Speaker 2>murder of Patrick Herringer and inside his own home. And

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<v Speaker 2>you may recall at the time everyone was saying, including

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor, that we weren't notified, didn't know about it.

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<v Speaker 2>New information seems to Connord Dick the statement made by

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor I have to have pureval in the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 2>the murder of Patrick Herringer on June fourth, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had on Sarah about two weeks later to say she's

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<v Speaker 2>devastated would be an understatement to have someone murdered in

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<v Speaker 2>cold blood in your own home. But Paula Christian, once again,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And can you tell

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<v Speaker 2>the American people what the IT team has discovered about

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<v Speaker 2>reviewing the records and what the city knew and when

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<v Speaker 2>they knew it about the release in the activities of

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<v Speaker 2>one Mordecai black.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Thank you for having me it's always a pleasure. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>I did uncover that Cincinnati police knew about Mordecai blacks

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<v Speaker 3>outstanding parole violations two months before the murder happened. They

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<v Speaker 3>got the hits while investigating a domestic disturbance. Mordecai's girlfriend

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<v Speaker 3>called the police on April sixth in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>the night, and she was reporting that Mordecai had broken

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<v Speaker 3>into her place where they apparently lived together, after she

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<v Speaker 3>threw him out and they had a fight and he

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<v Speaker 3>broke in through a fire escape, climbed through a window,

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<v Speaker 3>and when she got home, he was standing there naked

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<v Speaker 3>in her home. So she called police. Police came out,

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<v Speaker 3>they interviewed her. Mordecai was not there when police got there.

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<v Speaker 3>She told police what happened, and she listed Mordecai's address

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<v Speaker 3>as her own address, which is a multi family home

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<v Speaker 3>on Vine Street, and the police officers on the scene

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<v Speaker 3>went out to their cruiser and they ran Mordecai Black's

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<v Speaker 3>name through their mobile data computer and they got six

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<v Speaker 3>hits for parole violation, which does seem to contradict a

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<v Speaker 3>statement made by Mayor Atappuraval.

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<v Speaker 2>You have that in your story in which you relate

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<v Speaker 2>that the mayor. I could recall it specifically that the

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<v Speaker 2>mayor at the time said, we knew nothing, didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and we got to do better. The Adult

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<v Speaker 2>Parole Authority suddenly they got involved and they started talking about, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we put it in the system, and the mayor kind

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<v Speaker 2>of pictured this thing is something where the he wasn't involved,

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't notified. We got to do better. It's unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what level of violence is acceptable, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's certainly unacceptable. But when you talk about the six hits,

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<v Speaker 2>you also say in your story that one of the CPD,

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<v Speaker 2>sergeant Anthony Mitchell, confirmed to you that the officer has

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<v Speaker 2>got six hits on black for par violations when they

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<v Speaker 2>entered his name into a mobile computer base on April

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<v Speaker 2>sixth during a domestic disturbance. And so you would have

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<v Speaker 2>to say that of the six hits, the city knew

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<v Speaker 2>at least two months before the murder of Patrick that

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<v Speaker 2>this guy was a terrible, terrible risk of committing some

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<v Speaker 2>future crime. He'd spent most of his life in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>I was told by someone in the state that he

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<v Speaker 2>had numerous violations of proper behavior in prison, for the

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<v Speaker 2>years he was locked up. He was a terrible, terrible inmate,

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<v Speaker 2>and they never pursued that. I had a state official

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<v Speaker 2>tell me Paula Christian that when fights and robberies take

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<v Speaker 2>place in prison, they generally don't pursue it at all

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<v Speaker 2>because there's too much of it going on.

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<v Speaker 1>They simply let it, let it go.

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<v Speaker 2>They should have pursued criminal charges against him while he

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<v Speaker 2>was locked up in prison, because you can't commit a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of crimes in prison and not be able accountable

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<v Speaker 2>for it. But nonetheless, so when I have to have

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<v Speaker 2>Piraval said the city was completely in the dark about this,

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<v Speaker 2>was that, shall we say inaccurate?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was inaccurate that Cincinnati police did know about

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<v Speaker 3>the parole violations two months in advance. What they knew

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<v Speaker 3>about them, I don't know. My understanding from talking to

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<v Speaker 3>the police spokesperson is when you're checking a person's name

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<v Speaker 3>through the system and it comes up a parole violation,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't list details of what that parole violation is.

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<v Speaker 3>It could just be a missed parole meeting, so they

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. And that's the explanation that that I received.

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<v Speaker 3>So the city in the early aftermath of the terrible murder.

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<v Speaker 3>They did shift the blame or try to shift the

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<v Speaker 3>blame to the Ohio Adult Parole Authority and Ohio Department

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<v Speaker 3>of Rehabilitation and Correction, saying you never told us. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I've got the mayor's statement here. He said when he

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<v Speaker 3>cut his ankle monitor, city law enforcement should have been

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<v Speaker 3>notified immediately and he should have been tracked down and apprehended.

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<v Speaker 3>That this didn't happen is unacceptable. So they tried to

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<v Speaker 3>shift the blame to the state. The state pushed back

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<v Speaker 3>and said, look, within twenty four hours of him missing

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<v Speaker 3>his meeting with his parole officer and cutting off his

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<v Speaker 3>ankle monitor, we did file arrest warrants and violations in

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<v Speaker 3>the system that should have been spotted by Cincinnati police.

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<v Speaker 2>So after the incident with the so called girlfriend, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't imagine being a girlfriend of Mortca Black, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>a different issue. After the incident with the girlfriend, the

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<v Speaker 2>police went out and they ran immediately through. They found it,

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<v Speaker 2>okay that this is a guy that's wanted. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why he's wanted, but he's wanted. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>also indicate that the police did not track down Mordecai

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<v Speaker 2>Black after issuing a warren for his arrest because the burglary.

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<v Speaker 2>So the burglary took place on about April to sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>and a warren was an issued for his arrest until

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<v Speaker 2>May fifteenth, which is what five six weeks later. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know why it took five or six weeks to

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<v Speaker 2>issue a warren for his arrest.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually those are two different crimes, well multiple. Mordecai

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<v Speaker 3>was very active. Police did not charge him for that

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<v Speaker 3>domestic disturbance or that break in because they with his girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 3>because they said they got conflicting stories and after consulting

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<v Speaker 3>with prosecutors, they did not charge him, so they This

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<v Speaker 3>is a whole separate other burglary that Mordecai Black is

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<v Speaker 3>accused of committing on Straight Street on May fifteenth, in

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<v Speaker 3>which he again broke into a home and to a

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<v Speaker 3>residents woke up and told them to leave, and he fled.

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<v Speaker 3>Police came out. They filed a warrant that day for burglary,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was never served, so he was never arrested

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<v Speaker 3>until after Patrick Herringer was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>So the May fifteenth, and you make the point A

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<v Speaker 2>Paula Christian of Channel nine in your story that the

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<v Speaker 2>police on May fifteenth, after the second burglary, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was told he committed many other offenses that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>arrested for, but they could couldn't prove it, so they

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<v Speaker 2>let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>But on May fifteenth, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Knew it was a second burglary, they knew he was

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<v Speaker 2>wanted by parole, and they knew where he lived or

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's what my reporting has determined. And all of

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<v Speaker 3>this is based on police records. So all of this

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<v Speaker 3>information came from the Cincinnati Police's own documents.

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't they go out and get them after May fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>before the June fourth murder of Patrick?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's the reason?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I asked for an interview with Cincinnati Police,

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<v Speaker 3>and I asked for an interview with somebody from the city,

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<v Speaker 3>and I did not My request for an interview was

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<v Speaker 3>not accepted. So if I had had the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>speak to them, I would have certainly ask those questions.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happens is the public is left to guess

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<v Speaker 3>and wonder and speculate, And you know, I would prefer

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<v Speaker 3>to ask those questions myself.

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<v Speaker 2>But the city doesn't respond. They don't say no to you,

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<v Speaker 2>They simply don't respond at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, I was told the Cincinnati police declined, my

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<v Speaker 3>it's my request for an interview, so they said now.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think it's important to also point out is

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<v Speaker 3>we you know, they knew where he lived on this

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<v Speaker 3>Vine at this Vine Street home, and he continued to

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<v Speaker 3>return there. So if police wanted to find him, they

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<v Speaker 3>really could have just staked out this property because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just an hour or less than an hour before this,

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<v Speaker 3>this terrible murder happened, we have on video from a

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<v Speaker 3>source a man who looks just like Mordecai Black leaving

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<v Speaker 3>that apartment again with a whole bunch of things in

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<v Speaker 3>his hand, shoes, clothes, and running out the door. And

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<v Speaker 3>around that same time, somebody from that address called nine

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<v Speaker 3>to one one and said we had a burglary and

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<v Speaker 3>somebody took jim shoes, keys, and other I so, and

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<v Speaker 3>the video tracks him directly from that house to right

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<v Speaker 3>in the same area of where the Herringers live. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know also he was carrying a knife.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one answer to that question might be when I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to a state Rep. Stacy Abrams, who spent twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years as a cop in Cincinnati, and I spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>Ken Cober. It used to be that when cops showed

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<v Speaker 2>up for a shift, as it wasn't a lot going on,

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<v Speaker 2>they would assigned each police officer two or three warrants

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<v Speaker 2>to go find this guy, and then they would spend

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<v Speaker 2>time locating him because not much was going on. When

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<v Speaker 2>you're down two hundred and fifty street police officers in

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<v Speaker 2>the city of Cincinnati, there are many times as one

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<v Speaker 2>car for the Central Business District from the Ohio River

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<v Speaker 2>up through OTR. Ken Kober told me, there are many

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<v Speaker 2>occasions we have one car on duty from between midnight

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<v Speaker 2>and seven am one and if that person is in

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<v Speaker 2>a traffic situation, violation or whatever, no one's picking up

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<v Speaker 2>war Owrance to go look for anybody anymore because they're

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed and they don't have time. And that's what ken

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<v Speaker 2>Kober and State Rep. Stacy Abrams said that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a classic example where after May fifteenth, there was an

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<v Speaker 2>active warrant for the arrest of Mordecai Black. They knew

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<v Speaker 2>where he lived, they knew his dangerous proclivities. They also

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<v Speaker 2>had the information from April six burglary that they decided

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<v Speaker 2>not to pursue, and they knew this guy was a

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<v Speaker 2>vicious criminal. And because of staffing problems, I was told

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't take warrants anymore on a shift to

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<v Speaker 2>go find somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, these police officers, they are following the

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<v Speaker 3>directive of what their boss tells them to do. So,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if their boss is saying, you know, you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to go patrol north over the Rhine and that's

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<v Speaker 3>what you're gonna do, or you're going to go patrol

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<v Speaker 3>Smail Park, or you're going to you know, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>that their boss is not telling them go deliver these

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<v Speaker 3>warrants or go look for these people, these fugitives, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're not doing it. They're they're just following the orders

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<v Speaker 3>that their bosses are giving them, would be my interpretation.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, maybe maybe it does require more police officers.

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<v Speaker 3>But these are questions for the public. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 3>public has to decide what kind of city they want,

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<v Speaker 3>what they want their police to do, what is important

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<v Speaker 3>to them. These these are questions for them. All I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing is giving them all the information so they can

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<v Speaker 3>bring these questions to their elected leaders and their police

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<v Speaker 3>chiefs and ask themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>And Paul, that's a great comment. The officers will do

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<v Speaker 2>what they're told to do. I head on a guest

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<v Speaker 2>about a year ago and out of front of Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Francis Sarah Church on Central Park in which is open

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<v Speaker 2>air drug dealing, open air prostitution, human excrement is deposited

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<v Speaker 2>on the alleys and streets around that previously great Catholic church.

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<v Speaker 2>The Catholic and priest in charge shut the door and

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<v Speaker 2>locked and he couldn't deal with all what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And police officers in uniform and cars were drove drive

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<v Speaker 2>by open air drug dealing and open air prostitution and

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<v Speaker 2>do nothing about it. And there were three or four

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<v Speaker 2>business owners that said, we can't, we can't live like this.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no business being conducted, and they had to close

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<v Speaker 2>their businesses. And that event brought little or no action

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<v Speaker 2>from the City of Cincinnati other than holding a news

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<v Speaker 2>conference which happened yesterday in which the mayor and the

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<v Speaker 2>city manager and the police chief dislocated their shoulders, patting

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<v Speaker 2>themselves on the back about what a great job they're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>how much crime is down, but we know it's not down.

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<v Speaker 2>We know it's bad, and now every night there's more murders.

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<v Speaker 2>Had on about an hour ago Steve Gooden, in which

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<v Speaker 2>there was a street takeover in Clifton that was on

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<v Speaker 2>Channel nine in which large numbers of individuals dancing on

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<v Speaker 2>city cars, open air drug use, selling beer and drugs

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<v Speaker 2>out the back of cars, brandishing firearms the firetruck and

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<v Speaker 2>Clifton could not get out of the fire station for

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<v Speaker 2>a call the number of people and that has caused

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<v Speaker 2>no stir at all. And all you can do is

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<v Speaker 2>report the facts as you've said, and we get the

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<v Speaker 2>city we deserve. And if they spend their time complimenting

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<v Speaker 2>themselves what a great job they've done. Without without referencing

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<v Speaker 2>these kinds of events, we're going to end up like

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<v Speaker 2>downtown Chicago, New York and Philadelphia. But Paula Christian, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you put it out there. And the city had

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<v Speaker 2>six hits to pick up Mordecai Black and failed to

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<v Speaker 2>do so, resulting June fourth and the murder. Especially after

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<v Speaker 2>May fifteenth, it was obvious this guy was a danger

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<v Speaker 2>to the community and the city police simply did not respond.

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<v Speaker 2>But Paula Christian, thanks, thank you, and good luck to

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<v Speaker 2>you and all the folks in Channel nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Paula Christian, thank you. Oh, let's continue with more. There

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<v Speaker 1>you have it. The facts will set us free.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the mayor says we didn't know about it,

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<v Speaker 2>six times, they knew about it and did nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham seven hundred wold