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letting five thousand miles away.

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Speaker 1: Man, nobody see.

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Speaker 1: See. You don't need to know.

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Speaker 2: Man, like you followed another story and.

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Speaker 1: You got back to flect. That's man, Man got black

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and dag on Panama.

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Speaker 2: Man, you don't matter, man, I.

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Speaker 1: Know all right. Kyle Ansloan, Welcome to Jay Burdon Show.

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How you doing Man, great?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'm I'm really excited to have you on.

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I've been aware of your work for for quite some time.

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We travel in similar circles, but recently you were a

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guest host on Provoked with Scott Horton and Darryl Cooper,

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one of my favorite podcasts, and so yeah, man, I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thanks for having me. I also saw you

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on Provoked and that was the first time I became

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aware of your work, and I believe I started following you,

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following you on nets and I've seen some of your

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stuff since. And you know, obviously we travel in the

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same circles because you know, just great knowledge. I really

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like your perspective on something. So I appreciate you having

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it, man. Uh So, really, as much

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is incredibly depressing. But obviously, the story of really twenty

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fact that this war has been we have claimed victory

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in this war depending on who you ask, six, two,

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nine times in a war that is still ongoing. And

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probably wasn't over. Just a kind of wild guest there.

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is won? Are saying Iran is defeated. I mean there's

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been times where Trump says Iran is defeated and with

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thirty minutes, who are an now where they're firing a

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slavo and missiles at both Israel and US bases in

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the region. So it's it's wild that Donald Trump has

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tried to say that we've won this war so many

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times when the administration is still looking at options for escalation,

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so clearly it's not one if we're preparing the ground invasion.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kyle, I hate to inform you that you have

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runed out. You are a foreign agent, maybe a trader

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to America for remembering something that happened three days ago.

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going around where he was arguing for a ground invasion,

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you know, like we need to do this in order

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to you know, finish the fight, and he very disingenuously

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turned and said, well, and this is why our soldiers

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are so great. That's why you have to support our troops,

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because they knew that this this was on the table,

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and they put their their lives at risk. Albeit I'm

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what Ben Shapiro said a week ago or two weeks ago.

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program or the ballistic missiles and now, of course, you know,

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slow escalation in rhetoric. In another way, It's only been

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a ground invasion. And he was saying, you know, he

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saying that this is the policy and we all need

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to accept it now. Of course, you know Shapiro who

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and he believes in the Constitution. This isn't legally a war.

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hasn't declared war, given an authorization for use of military force.

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at the Dretcha and the commander in chief. No, they

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fight in defense of their country or when Congress declares war,

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and neither of those things are going on here. So

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it really isn't third duty to fight this war. And

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the real beneficiary, the only party that really benefits from this,

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a widespread view of Israel, but it's not all Israelis

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who want the Greater Israel project. They want to expand

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achieving that goal through numerous effects. One, it's destroying Iran.

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the framework in the Middle East that would prevent Israel

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want the Greater Israel project. Should this war work out

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where Iran is in some way like in the middle

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Horton with If I'm remembering my schedule right when you

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so you know, scroll back if you're interested in more

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contexts there. But it's incredibly disingenuous, and that's what's so

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were i ed or digging up in someone's statements from

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time that the facts on the ground can change, People

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they are crazy, that they are you know, irredeemable racist

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anti Semites, that they harbor some irrational hatred, you know,

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for the state of Israel. And that's the only reason

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ground problems we are seeing, right, gas prices, diplomatic issues

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this war before it started brought up said, well, what

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happens when Iran shuts down the strait of horror moods?

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you shouldn't read comments, but every once in a while

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very much like we were always at war with Eurasia. Right,

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we have always been, you know, in the exact situation

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straight of horror moves, not because I particularly know anything

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about how global shipping works, but I'm old enough to

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of like acclusion of the facts, right, willfully resetting the

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first rat jumping off of the ship. Here he sees

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half of America, will say we should all praise Donald Trump,

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and you say it was a great move if he

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ends this war tomorrow, right, Like, we all have to

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appeal to Trump's ego because we know if we don't

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if this war ends tomorrow, Like Donald Trump is a

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war criminal. A US bomb destroyed an Iranian school in

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a surprise attack on a country that posed no threat

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to the United States of America. Right, they don't have

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a nuclear program, they don't have an ICBM program, And

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response to a US or Israeli attack on Iran, which

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we would attack, you know, their bases in the region,

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we will defend ourselves against your military assets and allies.

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right move is to take an off ramp. I guess

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as he understands where we go up the escalation ladder

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from here that bombing Iran into submission really isn't an option.

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they're going to put ground troops in. If not, like

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the US has you know, they could bomb more targets,

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but again that's not going to remove the Islamic Republic

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round of propaganda that we're hearing, right, Like, what we

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because even if you reset the AI chatbot, everybody on

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going to be a quick war and we are going

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to be out, And the people saying this was going

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to be entangling a conflict with a ground occupation like

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a rock are now only raw and they're hysterical, they're pannikins,

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they're anti submit, they're pro ron whatever he wanted to say,

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doesn't I don't think it's going to work this time.

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I don't think it worth. The propaganda worked very well

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in Ukraine for the same reasons, because everybody was able

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to play clips of all these figures during the two

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thousand's twenty tens, mainly saying that hey, you know, if

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you do this, you're going to provoke Russia and we're

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going to end up having the conflict. You know, it's

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not like the Iraq War, where Americans are basically forced

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to rely on CNN, Fox News, the Washington Post, the

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New York Times for their information about the conflict, and

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they didn't do these kinds of things where they said, hmm,

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this is what did Cheney said two weeks ago, this

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is what he's saying now. But we you know, in

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anti war dot com existed be then. But you know,

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unless you're in those niche corners of the Internet, you

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really didn't know. Now it's on ends every day in

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front of very by his face, humiliating Ben Shapiro and

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they're just getting annihilated on the platform every day, and

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so I think public opinion is going to continue to move.

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The only thing with Kent's resonation is I hope somebody

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joins him, right I think the only problem right now

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is he's kind of on an island. Had Toulsi Gabbert

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resigned to I think it would have made a bigger deal.

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So hopefully, you know, more momentum roles. As you know,

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people look on ets and they see overwhelmingly the Americans

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not only are opposed to this war, but really do

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hate the people who are lying to them about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, and to that point, this is additionally to any

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you know, moral concerns we may or may not have,

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This is an abject political disaster. You'll notice speaking of

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the kind of continually redefined goals measurements, you know, how

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we define success, how we have defeated Iran six to

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nine times. The polling and how the polling has been

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reported has been quite interesting because you'll notice that the

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focus is on MAGA Republicans, and as I'm sure you're aware,

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Kyle Uh, there's no official voter rolls for that. You

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don't join the MAGA Republican Party if you self describe

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as that, that basically means I'm personally myself a giant

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fan of Donald Trump, which is basically a proxy for

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what do I think about this war. So when they're

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that one hundred percent of people who like this war

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say they like this war, It's like, well, I mean, yeah,

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pretty much any other issue, and you know, I'm sure

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we're all aware of how polls are manipulated in any

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number of directions, but I can think of almost no

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issue that one hundred percent of Americans agree on. I'm

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talking about like really basic ones like is murder right

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or wrong? Like there's gonna be at least someone out

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there right right, even just to throw the poll.

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Speaker 2: It's it's absurd because typically they would maybe pull like

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they would say, Biden voters are Trump voters, like that

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would be the collection. And that's kind of I think

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what maybe people think of when they hear maga are

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Trump supporters people who voted for Donald Trump? But really,

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if you're asking people, are you maga, and then they

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say yes, And then they asked, do you support the

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president's main initiative right now, they're gonna say yes if

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they if they did support the president's main initiative at

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the current time, then they don't support the president and

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they're not maga. And I mean, you bring up the

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North Korea reference. I think Kim Jong gun only one

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chairman of the Workers Party in North Korea by ninety

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nine point nine to three percent. So even there's a

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margin Bnavara and Pyongyang that doesn't exist in Washington anymore.

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really really important. After nine to eleven, the Republicans in

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the United States, like the Conservatives, had the cultural momentum.

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but you know, the rally around the flag and kind

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of the base conservative values were I think dominant, and

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that dominance was lost in Iraq, right, like, the administration

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lied so much about the war and exposed themselves as

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such horrific people that the American people went out and

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they elected Barack Obama with a Democratic Congress. But not

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only that, the culture in this country moved really, really

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and unacceptably far to the left right, Like we got

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to the point where the trans cultural move had actually

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outpaced like the medical science of it, right like they could.

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it themselves. It wasn't until the Democrats went so overboard

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on the trans issue, the cultural issue, the women's sports stuff,

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the BLM that you know, we really got in twenty

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twenty four, a real shift back to a culture, you know,

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more conservative culture, which I think needs to happen a

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little bit. But Donald Trump is going to blow it all, right.

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The Democrats are going to annihilate the Republicans, and I

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think for years to come, you know, they're going to

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play clips of Donald Trump not only saying we won

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the war, but kind of like joking about killing people.

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Pete Headset in particular talking about how you know, the

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our bombs are blessed by the Lord and all this

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other like religious cookery he's trying to insert into the

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war making jd vance suggesting that some Iranian is going

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to walk into a supermarket with I'm not even joking,

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he actually said this a nuclear weapon suicide vest and

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blow himself up. I mean, the claims coming out of

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the administration right now are absurd, and they're really going

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to discredit the right wing. I think not only are

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we going to see a massive, just like political victory

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for the Democrats in the midterms, but also it's going

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to lose the Republicans early their their cultural moment they had,

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which even if I don't agree with all of it,

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I do think was needed after the past two decades.

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Speaker 1: Well, and there are several things we've already seen this happen, right,

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my state of Virginia, where you know, the Democrats run

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someone who on first inspection seems very sense, right, you

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know this, you know, nice white lady from the CIA,

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you know, she seems great, and then it's like, oh, well,

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we got rid of mandatory minimums for murder and rape

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and decriminalized vagrancy. And it's like, well, they didn't lead

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with that. It's not like she came out as you know,

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the head of the pro the pro rape and murder party,

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I think, a minority position in the US. But all

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of those excesses will come, they will not be broadcasted.

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And on the other issue is someone who is to

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shall we say, significantly to the right of you know,

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many people. What I've noticed, and I've been sounding the

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bell on this since the election, is that there has

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been a deliberate desire to paint the sort of secondary

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parts of the American right, the anti war movement, uh,

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you know, the more shall we say, stridently religious conservatives.

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traditional Catholic or the scare phrase Christian nationalists, and to

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lay the groundwork and say, oh, that's why we're going

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to lose the next election. It's not because Trump didn't deliver,

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it's not because of this unpopular war. It's because of

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you people, many of the same people who have been

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fighting against the neocons for thirty years. That's the problem.

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We did too much of that. What we need is

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another John McCain. And if we had just done that,

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then we never would have you ended up in these

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dire straits. And I think that that's was a very

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interesting admission, even shortly after the election, right saying what

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gave Trump this incredible victory and the people taking credit

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for it, and also laying the ground afterwards, well before

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we got into this ill conceived for and war, were

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saying this is who you're gonna blame when things go wrong.

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And I'm not going to say it's working, but if

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there is a massive, you know, electoral defeat, that's what

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narrative will you know, be presented. It will not be

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we did something wrong. We you know, sort of acted

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as Israel's lapdog. It's the bad guys, it's the woke

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right is the term you see, you know, being thrown around.

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And so that that scapegoat has sort of already been made. Right,

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they've laid the ground to blame what, in my mind

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are the only redeemable parts of the American right, and

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to say, well, if we just had if we had

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only been more neo conservative, if we had only done more,

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that's what would have saved us, So we need to

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purge these people. You saw this happen even well before

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this at places like Heritage. My I am hearing from

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many people, but more more than a handful that the

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same fight is happening in a less public version at

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every major conservative institution. Right there's a major war over

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this issue. And we understand that that same generational is

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present in support for this war. And so for those

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people who were bought in hook line and sinker, well,

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that's their highest priority. Seemingly, you know, the continuance and

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the support of foreign nation, Well, that can't be challenged.

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That can't be the reason we lost. The reason is

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we let bad people in. And seemingly the message in

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you know, many conservative institutions you saw this in the

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Heritage scandal is uh, cut out anyone under the age

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of forty. Just get rid of them. And look, even

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if you just understand how a population pyramid works, or

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when the baby boomer generation hits fifty percent mortality, you

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understand that's not a great long term strategy. And all

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of those secondary groups, you know, the people you saw

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brought in from kind of the you know, the health sphere,

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the more kind of conspiracy minded folks, the anti war

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folks who were brought into that big tent coalition, who

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may not self describe as maga Republicans were in drobes

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and recognizing that fact does not make you an agent

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of a foreign power. You are simply believing your lying eyes. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know, while we're on the politics of

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this real quick, one other thing. You know, they're going

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to blame Tucker Carlson and Candas Owens and whoever else,

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But you know, Mike Johnson might deserve most of the

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blame because he allowed the War Powers resolution to come

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to a floor vote. Now, I'm not on principle, I'm

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not saying that this is a bad thing, but tactically

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as the leadership allowing these votes to happen, allowing the

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Democrats to Chuck Schumer supports this war, right, But Chud

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Schumer actually got to go and vote against this war.

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Almost all the Democrats voted against the war on the

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War Powers except John Fetterman. I think in the Senate,

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similar numbers in the how right, where it's almost all

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Republicans voting for all Democrats voting against it. And so

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now even if like Chud Schumer is largely responsible for

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the political situation the US was in that led to

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the US going to war with Israel against Iran, and

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Chud Schumer supports that supports Israel, will probably vote to

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fund it right coming up here in a couple of weeks.

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But when they run for reelection, all the Democrats will

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get to tell the American people we tried to stop it,

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we tried to vote against it, but the Republicans railroaded us,

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and that's why you had to vote them out and

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vote us in. I mean, you know, the handling of

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the Epstein files was probably the worst political blunder of

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the Trump administration so far, but this is a very

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close second. And I think come November, it's really going

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to make a big deal when gas prices are well

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over five dollars a gallon, when the war has hurt

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the American economy, inflation is three or four percent, and

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the Democrats will get to say we tried to stop it,

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and the Republicans all voted for it. It'scept Thomas Massey

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and just a few others, who, by the way, are

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the Republicans that the party establishment are trying to exile

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from the party right now. Also, you said, they're trying

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to kick out all the under forties from the Republican Party.

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It is interesting that polling shows that even among Republicans,

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you only have a majority that support the US relationship

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with Israel over the age of fifty. Under the age

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of fifty, it's at least like a plurality that support Israel.

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It's not a full aw majority. And once you get

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I think under thirty five, it's actually they don't support

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the American relationship with Israel.

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Speaker 1: Well, and to that point, you've heard this same messaging

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from We'll bring them up again a second time. Ben Shapiro,

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you had a really interesting section in one of his shows.

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I believe the show. I wrote an article on this,

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so I should know. This citation is can nyc survive

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Mumdani's regime? Maybe you'll find it that way. Most of

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those words are correct. But in that episode he makes

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a very interesting inference where he says, and who knows

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three percent of American or of male Republicans under the

476
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:44,000
age of fifty are Holocaust deniers, right, they don't believe

477
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,920
the official narrative of the Holocaust. I believe. The exact

478
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,960
phrase he uses is they don't believe historians. Now, you know,

479
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:57,319
a rational actor would be might ask, well, which historians sidebar?

480
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,319
Speaker 2: You know, like sometimes they'll ask these quot question so vaguely,

481
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,319
like do you question any of the official narrative of

482
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,759
the Holocaust? And somebody might say, oh, you know, I

483
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,319
heard the thing about the lamb shades, and that sounded

484
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,359
a little far right like, It's not like these people

485
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,079
are saying I don't believe Hitler killed the Jews. They're

486
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,559
just being asked, are they skeptical about anything? And they

487
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,319
answer yes. So I really hate the polling because I

488
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,559
think it actually to some degree ends up fueling anti

489
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,960
Semitism by making it seem like it's a far more

490
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,680
popular position than it is. But sorry to interrupt, No, no,

491
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,200
not at all.

492
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: And you know, look like someone is someone with their

493
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,240
own shall we say, you know, revisionist tendencies. Right. My

494
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:48,359
objection is, of course, right that he makes a very

495
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,680
interesting transition from that, right he believe he says, the

496
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Manhattan Pole or the Manhattan Institute rather came with this pole.

497
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:01,200
And from that statement, right, he goes from you know,

498
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,880
the majority of young Republicans believe the Holocaust didn't happen.

499
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,880
And he immediately transitions to talking with no break into

500
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,240
the critics of the Iran war and what he says,

501
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:17,880
and this is very interesting because you'll hear this all

502
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,640
over in discussions of this issue. Is he says, and

503
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,000
this is exactly the problem we have, these young conspiracy

504
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:29,480
theorists who are buying into what he calls grievance politics,

505
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,319
which is a really long roundabout way to basically say,

506
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,400
if you'd disagree with us, you're part of the woke

507
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,480
left right, you are the you know, the blue haired

508
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:45,680
gender goblin. Basically, it is, if you're not with us,

509
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,960
you're with the terrorists all over again. Time is a

510
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,960
flat circle. The last twenty years didn't happen. We're just

511
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,599
doing it all over again and again. It's incredibly disingenuous, right,

512
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,799
It's incredibly dishonest to basically say, you know, the only

513
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,519
reason you can disagree with me is if you are

514
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:06,079
what I have described as the most horrible people in

515
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,119
the world. The only people who don't agree with me

516
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,079
are horrible and irredeemable. And you might say, well, I

517
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,039
don't share the same you know, I don't share the

518
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,640
same opinions about you know, the group. But we've got

519
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,599
to understand functionally, in America, being a Holocaust denier is

520
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,759
like up there with being a child molester. It is

521
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,799
perceived to be very negative. So even if you you know,

522
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,240
have opinions about wooden doors, which you know, I may

523
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,400
I might not share, you've got to understand what's going

524
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,319
on here. Right. It is a slimy rhetorical trick, and

525
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,680
it is one we have seen echoed over and over

526
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,279
and over again. For instance, Kyle, one of my favorite

527
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:42,920
games I've been playing for the last couple of days

528
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,680
is gone to John pod Horraz's Twitter and search any

529
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,480
insult you can think of, and he has been screaming

530
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,039
it it people for the last week, for the last month.

531
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,160
Right again, bringing in all of these kind of low,

532
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,000
underhanded tactics to basically say, if you don't support this war,

533
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640
you are you know, a list of every insult and

534
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,400
for letter word you can think of. Right, And I

535
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,680
think it's very interesting that one we don't really have

536
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:12,599
a defined victory condition. What's what's our goal here? What

537
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,039
are we doing? And if you object that, if you

538
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:20,559
bring that up, if you have any objection, however small Well,

539
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,039
according to the neocons, the only place you can go

540
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:26,440
is into the bucket of deplorables. But sorry, Kyle, ha

541
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,559
Ben a ranting for a while.

542
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,079
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean you make a lot of points there.

543
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:33,400
I just you know, it's I don't think it's going

544
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,200
to work for a couple of reasons. You know, again,

545
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,079
things aren't the way they were when you could write

546
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:43,519
an article in National Review and say that, you know,

547
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,160
Pap you can and and Justin Romondo are just too

548
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,839
far to the right and we can't accept those guys.

549
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,240
When you know, Ben Shapiro tries to levy those kinds

550
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:56,599
of the tats, and when they're levied against me, I mean,

551
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,960
it's laughable, right like, because the same people with you know,

552
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200
I'm poles with Darryl Cooper, and so they would call

553
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,759
me a Nazi for too far to the right, for

554
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,799
hanging out with Darryl, and then the next week they're

555
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,279
going to call me a leftist, you know, on green

556
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:13,000
haired leftist for the same position. I just don't think

557
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,640
it's going to work because it's so much easier for

558
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:19,519
people to defend themselves now when everybody when somebody calls

559
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:21,799
me wote Now I'm you know, you do realize I

560
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,319
work at anti war dot com, the site founded by

561
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,240
Justin Romondo. I work for Judge Andrew Nepolitano, right like

562
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,279
I work at a website that's published articles by Pap

563
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:39,039
Buchanan and Ron Paul and you know again, I'm Poles

564
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:42,160
with Darryl and Dave Smith, and you know, people who

565
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:45,640
just are so far from the left and have been

566
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,519
so critical of the left that I don't think it's

567
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:52,240
going to work, especially trying to make these attacks against

568
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,680
you know, people like myself are Tucker Carlson or Dave Smith,

569
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,920
our Candice Owens, They're just so clearly to the right,

570
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,359
and everybody's handed to be calling them hitler for the

571
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,119
past ten years that nobody's going to believe that. Oh no,

572
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:09,199
you know, Candae Owen, she didn't have a secret Hitler stash.

573
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,599
What she really did is has a secret blue wig

574
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,559
and was going to BLM protests that night or something like.

575
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,960
Nobody even remotely believes any of this, and so, and

576
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,880
I think that's why the US is now in certainly

577
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,000
a month into the conflict, probably the most unpopular war

578
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:29,280
that we've ever been in right. You know, usually at

579
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,119
the start of war, particularly this early on, people are

580
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,199
rallying around the flag and some people have. But you know,

581
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,440
the shine is going to wear off this war and

582
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,599
it is not going to look good. What people realize.

583
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,159
It already doesn't look good, right, Like the polls are

584
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,719
already majority unpopular. But I mean by the time the

585
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,599
inflation and the oil prices really start to hit, and

586
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,880
this is dragging on for two or three months, and

587
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,440
you know, it's one thing to pay an extra twenty

588
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,840
thirty bucks to fill up your game astained two or

589
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,519
three times, right, most people have enough money to take

590
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,360
that hit. But when it's in your car and your

591
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,159
wife's car and it's happened for four months now, right,

592
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,800
you're filling up that since teen times, you know, thirty

593
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:18,239
two times both cars. That's dipping into your savings territory, right, Like,

594
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,800
this isn't like accounting that you can maybe make work

595
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,760
out for a couple of weeks in your household. And

596
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,119
so once that starts to happen, I mean, I think

597
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,880
we're going to see just like really the most die

598
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,960
hard Trump supporters that say they still support this conflict, well.

599
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: I mean, and look man to that point is someone

600
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,760
who drives a twenty eight year old vehicle that gets

601
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,280
twelve miles to the gallon downhill. Uh yeah, I'm feeling it,

602
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,679
you know, I really don't appreciate it, to put it mildly,

603
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,480
And I think one of the interesting features that we've seen,

604
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:57,159
both on the political and on the military side, is

605
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,000
this seems to be a very short sided set of decisions. Right,

606
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:06,400
this seems to basically be what we might call a

607
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,199
high time preference behavior. Right, I want it, and I

608
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,920
want it now. Like even on the most basic level, right,

609
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,199
you look at the you know, the assassination of Comeni. Well,

610
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:22,199
Comeni was what eighty seven eighty six? Okay, he apparently had,

611
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,719
you know, colon cancer. I'm not going to pretend to

612
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,440
know anything about Iranian medical technology. But if he were

613
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,800
an eighty six year old living in Los Angeles, right

614
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,599
near some of the best hospitals in the world, you

615
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:40,079
wouldn't exactly be, you know, planning too far ahead, I'll

616
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,320
put it that way. Right, that is a very old man,

617
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:44,760
one who has passed the point where most people die.

618
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,639
So kicking off a war to kill him, it's like

619
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:53,599
one wants the point similarly, right, all of these problems

620
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,719
were easily foreseeable, and yet nonetheless here we are at war.

621
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,199
When we look on the political front, clearly the issue

622
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:08,079
of Israel and our relationship to Israel is alive and

623
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,559
well on both the right and the left. The left

624
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:12,880
sort of did their purges a little bit earlier, right,

625
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,559
kind of in late Biden. Sure you remember the you know,

626
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,400
the protest that you know, kind of sparked up after

627
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,559
October seventh, But people knew this was an issue on

628
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,199
the American right before, and so to burn all of

629
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,159
that capital, even from the president's position, like he very

630
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,559
likely not directly because of this, but for other reasons,

631
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,360
is going to be impeached because of this war and

632
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:42,039
its consequences. And again, all of these issues. You didn't

633
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:43,639
have to be a genius. You didn't have to have

634
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:48,719
the one hundred and forty IQ to project six months

635
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,440
into the future. And so that's the part of it

636
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,760
that's both very galling and sort of disturbing is seemingly

637
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:01,360
no one has made that calculation or for whatever reason,

638
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,800
they think it's worth it. And one more thing, and

639
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,280
I'll throw it back to you, Kyle, because this is

640
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,559
supposed to be an interview instead of just me monologuing

641
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:10,400
at a guest I brought in, but as you can tell,

642
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,639
him a little fired up on this. Uh. This was

643
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:18,360
a point that you know that Brett Weinstein brought up

644
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,800
when he was on Tucker and Tucker appeared on his

645
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,840
show at the same time. We basically said it, it

646
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,800
sort of feels like they're going for broke, that they're

647
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,800
pulling out all the stops. I'm curious, one, have you

648
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,360
felt the same way and can you think of anything

649
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,880
that might explain it? Ah?

650
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: Sorry, is there I mean, it's really difficult to try

651
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,639
to puzzle out what's actually going on in the White

652
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:52,199
House and in how we got into this conflict. As

653
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,599
you mentioned at the start of it, the Ayatola, the

654
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,000
former Ayatola, was an eighty six year old at least

655
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:05,719
cancer survived, it didn't actively have cancer. And if you

656
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,679
saw them in public, like there are maybe some eighty

657
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,360
year olds that are fairly spry and healthy, he wasn't

658
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,639
that he was. He was an eighty six and average

659
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:22,880
eighty six year old man. And it seemed to me

660
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,000
that if you really wanted to destroy the Islamic Republic,

661
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:33,800
you probably could have exploited the slow decline and death

662
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,679
of the man who's been leading the Islamic Republic for

663
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,000
over half of its existence, right and try to you know,

664
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:45,239
stir up some like kind of Polish politics and you know,

665
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,559
just put out like use your resources in the media

666
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,920
to be like, oh is the Ayatola planning to hand

667
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,920
power to his son? And just you know, there's a

668
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,440
lot of opportunity in the decline of a long time ruler,

669
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,360
the medical decline of a long time ruler, as his

670
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:08,440
faculties fail, as is kind oftive abilities fail to exploit

671
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,400
the position and try to weaken Iran in that sense,

672
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and look over the past several decades with that Iatolia

673
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:19,280
in power, the US has been able to severely weaken Iran.

674
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,400
We ran an article or no, next week we'll have

675
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,320
an article at anti war dot com by David Stockman

676
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,360
laying out like how far behind the Iranian economy has

677
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,159
fallen under the Islamic Republic and how a lot of

678
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,480
that is due to the US intervention in political pressures

679
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:43,000
and what we've done to Iran, you know, during that period.

680
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: And so.

681
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,199
Speaker 2: Again I'm not somebody who advocates that the CIA go

682
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,880
around the world and try to overthrow governments and destabilize

683
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,000
guard I think there's always blowback involved with that, but

684
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,960
if you wanted to destroy the Islamic Republic, it seemed

685
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,159
like there was a really beautiful opportunity in front of us,

686
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:07,480
especially since there wasn't a clear secession plan in Iran.

687
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,519
I mean, they said there were some behind the scenes,

688
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:12,440
but it's not like it was accepted like in Saudi

689
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,840
Arabia right now, it's accepted that when the king dies,

690
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:18,599
NBS is going to be the nets leader. That wasn't

691
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:23,000
the situation in Iran before, And it's it's baffling that

692
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:26,599
we didn't exploit that. It's also baffling, and this is

693
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:29,280
something Pete Headset that said that's actually correct in the

694
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,760
past few weeks that when the Trump administration took over

695
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,559
just a year ago now, the American stoppiles were depleted

696
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:41,320
and that got worse, particularly among our stop pile of

697
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,880
interceptors during the Twelve Day War in June. And so

698
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,400
we went into this conflict with our stop pile of

699
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:52,480
patriot that and other interceptors at maybe best fifty percent

700
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,599
of what the Pentagon hoped for. I mean, we are

701
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:59,559
gaining reports last summer that the US only had twenty

702
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:03,000
five percent and of the Patriot interceptors that needed for

703
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:06,719
its defense plans. And so clearly we're strained on a

704
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,119
very key piece of what it's going to take to

705
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:13,559
win this conflict. If you really, really, really thought the

706
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,239
US had to go to war with Iran in just

707
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,960
a week ago, right Toulsey Gabbert, the Director of National

708
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:27,519
Intelligence told the American people, told Congress that Iran was

709
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,800
not rebuilding its nuclear program yet. So I think you

710
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,320
could reasonably assume that if Iran at the you know,

711
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:38,480
US did everything it could to delay when Iran started

712
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:41,440
to rebuild its nuclear program, you know, we could probably

713
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,119
engage in talks with the Iranians for six months and

714
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,280
we tell them that, hey, you know, we're willing to

715
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,880
talk with you and try to work out a deal

716
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,440
as long as you don't start rebuilding your nuclear program.

717
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,719
You know, we already got six month delay. And then,

718
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,239
of course, even once they start rebuilding it, it's gonna

719
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,320
take quite a bit of time before it's functioning. And

720
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,760
so it's reasonable to think that the US would have

721
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,920
had at least a year or two to fill our

722
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,880
stop piles to prepare our military. The I think it

723
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,320
was the four that was in Latin America and the

724
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,519
Caribbean before going over to the Middle East. Is now

725
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,159
after a laundry fire in a Greek Iportan is going

726
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:21,599
to need repairs for twelve to fourteen months. And so again,

727
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:23,840
if we want to go to war with Iran, something

728
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,320
that's going to be heavy on our navy, require a

729
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,920
lot of aircraft carrier use over the next two years.

730
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,239
Let's get a good number of these ships and dry dock.

731
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,320
Let's do all the overhauls, all the maintenance. So when

732
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,800
this war starts, not only do we have you know,

733
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,960
two aircraft carriers in the region ready to go, but

734
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,519
we also have two three four more that could be

735
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,760
deployed at any time to replace them. And that's not

736
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,760
the situation that we have today. You know, I think

737
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,400
that George H. W. Bush is maybe the only other

738
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,880
aircraft carrier that could get to the Middle East relatively quickly.

739
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,440
There's some reports that the White House is either deploying

740
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:06,519
or thinking and deploying it, but we certainly don't have

741
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,280
like that that long list that we need with our

742
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,360
fighter jets. You know, before the conflict. They would say

743
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,840
that a lot of the F thirty five and other

744
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,559
F twenty twos, F eighteens, in particular, the readiness rate

745
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,840
for those aircraft hovers between like fifty and eighty percent.

746
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,519
So again, let's not at sport so many spare parts

747
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,480
to the Israelis and the British and the Turrets and

748
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,920
the Germans over the next two years, and really made

749
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,639
sure that our F thirty five program, our fighter jets again,

750
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,119
we're going to be relying on them very heavy. We

751
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,960
have not only a large number of them, but we

752
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,719
got all the spare parts that we need in everything

753
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,599
else to ensure that we could operate at Matt's capacity

754
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:55,599
for the longest period of time. None of that was done.

755
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,440
I've interviewed Larry Johnson a few times on my show

756
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,599
since this war has started, former CIA analysts, and I

757
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,480
keep asking Larry, what is the plan, what was the plan?

758
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,119
What do they want to do? And he keeps telling

759
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:12,079
me there is no plan, there was no plan, They

760
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,599
have no idea. And so you know, you brought the

761
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,800
AI chatbot being reset every day. To some degree, it

762
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,159
seems like that's going on in the White House too,

763
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,960
with what they have planned for this conflict where you know,

764
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,719
they wake up in the morning, they look at what

765
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,480
they have and they say, Okay, this is what we're

766
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,559
going to do today. There is no long term plan, right,

767
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,400
they said, oh, we destroyed the Iranian navy, we destroyed

768
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,960
the Iranian air force. Aron barely had an air force

769
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,760
and barely had a navy. Right, They had speedboats in

770
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,840
US F four Tomcats that they bought from US in

771
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,440
the seventies. So destroying Iran's air force or navy are

772
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,480
not even meaningful goals for the United States of America.

773
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,800
They didn't have long range bombers that could come over here.

774
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,960
They didn't have a navy that could cross the Atlantic

775
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,400
our Pacific Ocean, and so it means absolutely nothing. They

776
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,239
have this you know what, the Iraq War. They would

777
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,480
often say that we didn't have clear objectives, we didn't

778
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,400
have a clear strategy with this war. It's not just

779
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,079
that there it's not clear. There just is not.

780
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: One thing that I think has been perhaps overstated, is

781
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,880
because I think that everything that you are bringing up

782
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,000
is correct. And one of the most interesting bits of

783
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,559
information I've been tracking is there's an app and let

784
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,119
me pull up see you can find the name of it. Ye. Yeah,

785
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:55,840
there's an app called I think it's so Far tzo Far.

786
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,519
But basically what it is is it's the Israeli government's

787
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,320
way to let their citizens know they need to get

788
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,800
to a bomb shelter. Right. And it's sort of an

789
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,519
interesting bit of information because you can look at that

790
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:12,360
and say, okay, well, clearly, if we had, as is

791
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,760
often claimed, no problem with interceptors, we had many as

792
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,559
we wanted. The Iranians were, you know, had an ever

793
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:23,719
degrading capacity to hit Israel, you assume that those government

794
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,800
alerts would be reducing in frequency. Right, if the propagandam

795
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:32,480
mact mashed up with reality, you would see results. But

796
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:36,519
you're not seeing that the bombardments are continuing. Right. We've

797
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:40,960
seen bombardments get very very close to the kind of

798
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:44,119
old part of Jerusalem, right, the part that's in sacred

799
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:49,039
obviously the Temple mount we've seen you know, no direct hits,

800
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,000
but there's been damage there. So to me, between the

801
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:53,880
two of those, that indicates that all, right, like, clearly

802
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,920
this isn't going as well as Fox News will have

803
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000
you believe. But I think that there is a desire

804
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,280
to read into certain things too much. So for instance, right,

805
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,880
an F thirty five got hit, made it back, that

806
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,920
story kind of died, but there was a desire to

807
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,960
sort of make the mountain out of that mole hill. Right. Yeah, sure,

808
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,519
we haven't had any fighter jets hit at all, but

809
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,880
you know, one fighter jet taking a missile and making

810
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,199
it back to base is not It's not the end

811
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,480
of the world, right, It doesn't mean we're going to

812
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:28,840
get absolutely smashed tomorrow. But that said, and I'm glad

813
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,159
you brought up the aircraft carriers because we've seen these

814
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:36,800
people lying so consistently that when you're starting to hear

815
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,159
weird stories about aircraft carriers and it's like, oh, it

816
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,039
caught on fire for no reason. Oh wait, no, it

817
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:48,760
was an electrical issue. It was a dryer. Like the

818
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,880
amount of stories I've heard on that had been numerous,

819
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,039
and you start to think, even if you're not particularly conspiratorial,

820
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,719
was that what really happened? Because we've heard from you know,

821
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,960
military hospitals, from inside sources mine as well as many

822
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,760
other people's, that the number of casualties, both killed and

823
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,000
wounded is being deliberately hidden. Right that we've heard, you know,

824
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:15,239
from sources inside the Pentagon that they are delaying notifying

825
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,239
family members, they're delaying issuing you know, medals, they're issuing

826
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,519
commendations for people hurt. And again, taken as a whole one,

827
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,199
the conclusion is, obviously, you can't believe anything these people

828
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,760
are saying. And two, if this were going great, why

829
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,320
are you hiding so much? Right, why are you being

830
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,400
so evasive if this is the soaring success? And so again,

831
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,840
don't get me wrong, I think that, you know, Iranian

832
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,679
claims that over a thousand Americans have been killed are

833
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,119
probably a bit overstated, to put it mildly, I don't

834
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,239
think it's anywhere near that. Just because we're in an

835
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,039
unjust war with the Iranians does not mean the Iranians

836
00:49:53,079 --> 00:50:01,480
are speaking truthfully, right, But nonetheless, my general thought has been,

837
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,880
if this were going well, people would be acting differently.

838
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,960
We would see different things on Israeli, you know, air

839
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,360
raid announcements, we'd see different things coming from the Pentagon.

840
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,960
And I realized it's sort of a gross measuring stick.

841
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:17,199
You know. It's not like I have, you know, an

842
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:20,639
official document, but just knowing a little bit about human nature,

843
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,800
how people react to incentives, I feel like it's a

844
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,599
very reasonable assumption to say the war with Iran is

845
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:33,000
turning into a debacle. And I didn't even have to

846
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:36,119
get into my opinion on the Holocaust to arrive at

847
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:36,679
that decision.

848
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of a great way to put in

849
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,880
on that remarked there is that that had nothing to

850
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,159
do with it. I really do so. I will never

851
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:58,039
overestimate I guess the military industrial complex's ability. I think

852
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:02,119
that they struggled to produce functioning weapons systems of all kind,

853
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:06,119
and so you know, the Ford was out at sea

854
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,559
a little too long and too much lint built up

855
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:12,159
and it started a laundry fire. I think it's entirely possible,

856
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,199
just because I don't think very much of the people

857
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:17,639
who made those ships. I think the most likely explanation

858
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,840
is that was an intentional fire set by an American

859
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,360
service member as a way to sabotage the ship because

860
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,840
it was on its way from the Eastern Mediterranean, where

861
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,440
it was effectively just defending Israel, over to the Middle East,

862
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,440
where it was going to be involved in operations, potentially

863
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,039
even in operation to try to reopen the Straight of

864
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:42,159
Four Moves. Maybe somebody found out and they because before

865
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,400
on that ship there were reports of you know, the

866
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,599
sewage the sceptic system was failing, and they said that

867
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:52,000
they were finding T shirts in the toilet system where

868
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,480
you know, not I'm sure it happens. You know, you

869
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:57,480
got a little kid at home and they flushed their

870
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:01,719
T shirt or something. Believe it soldiers flushing their T shirt.

871
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,079
I don't think so, So I think sabotage is the

872
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:08,320
most likely, although we also shouldn't roll out that maybe

873
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,159
an Iranian drone snutt through or I think it was

874
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,920
in the Red Sea are around the Suez at the time,

875
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,320
so could have even been like Ansaralla or somebody got

876
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,599
a sneaky drones strike in and it caused a fire

877
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,199
or something like that. What the F thirty five game hit.

878
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,719
One thing I want to mention is it's kind of

879
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,280
presented as well. The US has been bombing Iran for

880
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,800
four weeks, which means the US has been flying over

881
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,079
Iranian skies for four weeks, and Headset has really tried

882
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:41,360
to sell this, but I'm not so sure that's the case.

883
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,639
I know the fighter jets are dropping bombs, but they're

884
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,000
dropping the bombs from Iraqi and Kuwaiti airspace. And we

885
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,280
know that because some American fighter jets have been shot

886
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,239
down over Kuwait by a supposed friendly fire, which if

887
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,679
it was one, I believe it. If it was two,

888
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:02,239
I'd be highly skeptical. It's three, Maybe the kuwaitis intentionally

889
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,440
shot down that American fighter jet. That that seems maybe

890
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:06,360
more likely to me.

891
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:11,639
Speaker 1: Or maybe, Kyle, maybe the Iranians did it if people

892
00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:13,960
were at war with Like again, I'm not saying one

893
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,679
one theory has you know, more weight over the other.

894
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:22,639
But to your point three friendly fire airplane incidents in

895
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:24,679
a couple of days, you're like, all right, man, Like,

896
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:30,039
I just don't believe you, right, Yeah, not you, of course, Kyle.

897
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: No, I know, I know what you mean. The only

898
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,760
reason I'm skeptical of Iran is because the pilots were,

899
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,079
you know, ejeted over a Kuwaiti airspace, all three of them.

900
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:43,519
If Iran has like that capable of air defenses, that

901
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,880
because I imagine, you know, they're fairly inland, they're not positioning

902
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,239
their their missile defenses on the planes. They're probably hidden

903
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,719
and tucked away in the mountains or closer to Tehran

904
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,840
and things like that, which that's pretty far from from Kuwait.

905
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,599
That that's the only reason I suspect somebody in Kuwait

906
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,880
who shot those down. But let's say that you know

907
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,360
that F thirty five that was hit or nearly hit,

908
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,719
if that was the furthest inland that an American fighter

909
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,480
jet had gone, or you know, only a few fighter

910
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:18,400
jets had verged that far over Iranian airspace and they're

911
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,719
still getting shot at once they actually get into you know,

912
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,320
the more mountainous areas of Ran closer to Tehran. That

913
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:30,320
certainly would suggest that the American control over Iranian airspace

914
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,880
isn't all that secure. I mean, you know, we could

915
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,239
lob as many Tamahawks and other you know, standoff crewis

916
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,760
and blisted missiles, and certainly the extended range JDAN missiles

917
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,440
have quite get hit from quite some distance away if

918
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,920
fired from enough altitude over a rock or Kuwait or

919
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,800
something like that into Iran. But eventually you do run

920
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,800
out of those munitions, particularly the Tamahawks, and so at

921
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,840
that point you need to start moving more and more

922
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,440
inland to be able to hit the same targets are

923
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,920
the same depth away from you know, where the aircraft

924
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,960
carrier is stationed.

925
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting point. I mean, I think generally

926
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,239
if we can sort of you know, bring this to

927
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,280
you know, some sort of conclusion. As you've said earlier, right,

928
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,320
this war is unpopular, and it's unpopular very early. And

929
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,079
you don't have to be a politics nerd. You don't

930
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,920
have to be you know, in the weeds on these

931
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,400
issues to notice. And you know, I know I see

932
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,639
this in my peer group, people who you know, the

933
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,320
kind of guys you you know, sports bet and drink

934
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,199
beers with, you know, normal guys who have you know,

935
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,440
jobs and wife and kids, who aren't super political, and

936
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:56,320
they are saying things that would be uh, wouldn't be

937
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,840
out of place in like twenty fourteen pole, right, that

938
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,840
is what has sort of you entered a certain part

939
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,920
of particularly young male discords. And is it the most serious?

940
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,719
Is it the most reasoned? No? But those people thirty

941
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:16,119
years ago would have been your normal Republican voters, right,

942
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,559
the kind of guys who listened to Rush Limbaugh maybe

943
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:25,320
and you know George Strait, and those people are gone

944
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:29,000
completely and totally lost at least, you know, looking at

945
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,800
the war part. And so this incredible just conflagration where

946
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all of this political and social capital was burnt up,

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apparently to secure the greater Israel project that will have consequences.

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We've already seen the global consequences with our our erstwhile allies,

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and so when I'm saying this is a bad idea,

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it is primarily motivated because I live here. I care

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about how this country ends up. You know, it's not

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because the Iranians are you know, sliding me seven thousand

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dollars a post under the table, although you know would

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make a difference. But in all seriousness, right, there are

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very real consequences to these actions. Thankfully, it seems who

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knows again we've we've expressed anything. It's that you can't

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really trust these people. The level of Americans directly killed

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has been relatively low in the grand scheme of things.

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But unless something changes, and it seems as if we

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didn't even mention this, but all signs are pointing towards

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boots on the ground, this is only going to get worse.

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You know, this is an ill conceived goal, you know,

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poorly pursued, and unfortunately we will be bearing the consequences

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for it. But Kyle, this has been fascinating conversation. I

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really enjoyed it. If people are interested in you and

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your work, well where can they find you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I host the Kyle Ansloan Show. That that's my program.

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As I think I mentioned on the Today, I've interviewed

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people like Larry Johnson and Darryl Cooper. You talked about

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Sky Horton. He's coming back to the show net suite.

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So that's what you'll give if you check out the

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Kyle Lambs Loan Show. I'm an editor at anti war

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dot com, the Libertarian Institute, and judge nap dot com,

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and then follow me on at Kyle Lamb's Loan Underscore.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is actually really good because I haven't spoken

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to Larry in six or nine months. I need to

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reach out to him, so this is helpful for me. Yeah.

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All of those will be linked down in the description.

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Everyone should check those out. As far as my stuff,

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The Jay Burdens Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen

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to podcasts. This is what I do. If you want

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to support me, a few bucks a month, Patreon, Substack

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or gum road gets you access to the episodes early

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in ad free. In the comments. I'm actually curious, as

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I've said on a previous episode. I've changed up some

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stuff on the back end, so the ads should be

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both less I guess, kind of in your face. It

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should be more subtle. And also we're running fewer of them,

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so let me know if that's what you're seeing on

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the audio version. Just curious. I can't get rid of

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him because I need to pay my mortgage, but hopefully

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it'll at least be less irritating for you guys. Also

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I guess, and that's why he pays me to say

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that his business is better than nothing anyway. At all. Seriousness, Kyle,

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this has been a ton of fun, and everyone at

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home keep your head up well. I can't last forever.

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Good night,