1 00:00:05,799 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: So holding the intact the intact one, especially before he 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,279 broke it apart. How much larger of a finger would 3 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:15,199 this be compared to a normal person. 4 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:21,359 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, they were larger than my fingers without flesh, 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,679 Like I said. The deputy and me talked for twenty 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,719 or thirty minutes about it, and then they then he 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,519 called out the forensic guys, and then they were in agreement. Yeah, 8 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:34,119 they were fingers. I'm like, that's an awful big man. 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: The infinite competent people went to and pro here about 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,920 their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their dominion 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,000 over this small binning fragment of solar drip wood, which, 12 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:50,520 by chance or design, man has inherited out of the 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,560 dark mystery of time and space. 14 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: On this episode of Into the Phray, I welcome David 15 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:28,599 on with me. He got in touch and he has 16 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,719 some bigfoot stuff to talk about, which I am very 17 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,439 very excited. David. Welcome on the show. 18 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 19 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,719 Speaker 1: Now, David, I would actually like to begin with something 20 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:43,439 that you and I were just talking about before we 21 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:47,400 hit record here, and that is the fact that on 22 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:54,760 your property you found a very interesting couple of items 23 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,439 and I would like to I only know a little 24 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,799 bit of the story. You provided a photo even along 25 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,959 with this, and it might be of interest to some 26 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:06,560 folks listening. Let everybody know what you found. 27 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:11,039 Speaker 2: Well, I was out cleaning up the yard and the 28 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,280 dogs at deer season, they're gonna drag up a lot 29 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,639 of deer bones and carcasses, and it happens every year, 30 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:20,120 and I was out picking them up so you don't 31 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:24,439 run them over the lawnmower and throw them away, and 32 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:26,520 it's just running along picking them up, and they leaving 33 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,879 them in one area a lot of the time. And 34 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:34,000 I reached down and picked up what I thought was 35 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:36,240 just regular bones, and as soon as I throwed them 36 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,000 in the bag, I realized that it was normal deer 37 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:47,120 bones and it was two fingers, and immediately took them 38 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:52,919 back out and put them to the side. And I 39 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,039 had a girlfriend here at the time, and I didn't 40 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,759 want to learn her about it and stuff, so I 41 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,719 didn't say anything to her, and I waited till the 42 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:04,560 next day and I called the deputy sheriff out and 43 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,039 he came out loud and he thought, yeah, these are fingers, 44 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,719 And I'm like, this aftful big man and anyway, he 45 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,280 called the friends the guy out and he had this 46 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:21,319 other guy with him, and they started looking at him, 47 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:25,840 and he's like, yes, fingers, you know. He said, where'd 48 00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:27,719 they come from. I'm like, well, I just found him 49 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:30,520 in the yard. I said, I'm calling you on and 50 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,680 letting you know what happened. Excuse me. Anyway, he asked 51 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:38,560 where did they come? And I said, the dogs go 52 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:40,840 down the road here to this dump down there and 53 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:43,919 people dump a lot of stuff, and I assume maybe 54 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,400 they come from down there. And so they took off 55 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:50,759 with them, and I didn't take any pictures of them. 56 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:54,960 I wish I had, but I didn't. But they took off, 57 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:58,360 and a couple of days of the crime lab came 58 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:00,599 down and all kinds of folks and they all went 59 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:02,240 down there and stayed down there a couple of two, 60 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,360 three days, and my neighbors going, let's go down there 61 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,680 and see what's going on. M M. I said that 62 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,919 we found in my yard. I'm already, you know, I spoke. 63 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,639 I'd been down there in a long time. I don't 64 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:19,120 want my DNA down there, so I said, you go 65 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:22,759 down there if you want to. And anywhere they finally 66 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,600 lived a couple of weeks later, I hadn't heard anything, 67 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,680 and so I called this guy and he told me. 68 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,439 He said, well, oh it was some kind of animal. 69 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,199 He said, you didn't find the more, have you? I said, 70 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,040 well no, and I said what kind of said, I 71 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,399 don't remember what kind of animal? He said, but you 72 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:49,360 didn't found them more, have you? And I'm no, And 73 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,399 brief calling, it was over and I actually kept that 74 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:59,399 one little piece I showed you. Yeah, I found a 75 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:00,319 few days later. 76 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:03,759 Speaker 1: Let me pull the picture up here so anybody watching 77 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,839 on YouTube or my Patreon can see this. But it 78 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:10,680 is it looks like it's a bone or what could 79 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,720 be a piece of a finger with what looks like 80 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:16,800 some tissue attached a little bit of dirt. And then 81 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:20,959 David has placed a tape measure and then a quarter 82 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:25,720 underneath the tape measure to give some extra size and 83 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:34,360 scale perspective. So I mean, talk a little bit about 84 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,120 this photo, David. Is the thinking that that is the 85 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,800 the middle bone of a finger or is that a finger? 86 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: I think that's the tip of the one that was missing. 87 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,480 There was two, but one of them's tip was missing 88 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,879 when there was two that I took and give to 89 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,360 those guys, and then the dogs came back up with that, 90 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:57,879 and I just noticed it. It was the same kind 91 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,680 of thing, and I picked it back up and I 92 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,240 didn't I didn't kind of got back. I just put 93 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:05,040 it in the freeze. 94 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: So you still got this piece. I had it very interesting. 95 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:16,079 So anybody out there watching, listening, if you have the 96 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,519 means to do so, maybe you could get in touch 97 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:20,680 with me and I could pass that along to David 98 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:23,680 and maybe there's some testing that could be done. I 99 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,759 do wonder what they came up with, as far as 100 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,439 you know, they said, well, it's it's not a person, obviously. 101 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,759 They sounds like they were worried it was. That's why 102 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,680 they were down there for so many days, right, like 103 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,839 a missing person or a homicide of some sort. But 104 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,480 then to come back and say, well, it was an animal. 105 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:44,879 But they had already spent so much time thinking it 106 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,959 was some kind of a person, so interesting. 107 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: And that he couldn't remember what kind of animal. 108 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Betty could though, huh. I wonder. 109 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:01,959 Speaker 2: I just thought I thought that was very odd. And 110 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:04,600 then he asked me like two or three times, I 111 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,600 hadn't found anymore though I have one, and if it 112 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:10,040 was an animal. Why would he care if I found anymore? 113 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: Right? 114 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: Right? 115 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,839 Speaker 1: Good point. I mean, do you have any activity around 116 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,399 your house at all? That I mean, I know the 117 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,120 area that you're and you're in Arkansas right now, but 118 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,120 of course there's big foot activity in Arkansas. But do 119 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,879 you personally have any thoughts that there are any around 120 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,120 your area? Now we're back then when you found them? 121 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:37,279 Speaker 2: I don't now. I mean, I've heard one of my 122 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,000 neighbors talk about when he was a kid. He lives 123 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,800 across the road down road about a quarter mile, but 124 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:46,639 he said back behind his house when he was a kid, 125 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:51,480 there was something that had had in him, but don't 126 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:54,199 encounter I personally kind of had was in Louisiana. 127 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're about to go there. I can't wait to 128 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,600 hear that one. So the fingers, though, the two that 129 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,079 you were, they fully intact at the time. 130 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: One of them was totally intact. Kind of it still 131 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,319 had tissue connected to it, but most of it had 132 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,720 brought it away. But it was like that one. You 133 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,519 could see if there was still ligaments or something there. Yeah, 134 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:20,800 but they were, they were totally together. And in fact, 135 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:25,720 the guys that that forensic guy had brought with him, 136 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,079 got to messing with it and broke it apart, and 137 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,360 you could tell they only moved one way. It wasn't 138 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:38,679 like a tail, and you know, everybody was in agreement. 139 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:41,360 They were fingers, you know. 140 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: So holding the intact the intact one, especially before he 141 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:50,080 broke it apart. How much larger of a finger would 142 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:52,080 this be compared to a normal person. 143 00:08:53,600 --> 00:09:02,759 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, they were larger than my fingers without flesh. 144 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: Could you tell at all that the sheriff and then 145 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:12,000 the forensic person. Were they trying to kind of, you know, 146 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,399 like play it cool, tamp down there? Oh my gosh, 147 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,039 what is this? It must have been strange for all 148 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,480 of you guys to see. Were they acting odd at all? 149 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:25,039 Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, we stood out there and looked and talked 150 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,240 about it for an hour hour and a half out 151 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:33,159 there in the driveway, Like I said, the deputy and 152 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,799 me talked for twenty or thirty minutes about it, and 153 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,080 then they then he called out the forensic guys, and 154 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,759 then they were in agreement. Yeah, they were fingers. I'm like, 155 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:46,159 that's an awful big man, That's all I could think. 156 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,679 I'm like, that is one big man and obvioush I 157 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:52,919 took pictures of that, and I didn't. But like I said, 158 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:56,080 that was other sizes of that. I think was a 159 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,159 tip with the other one. 160 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: And I'm not going to show this a but David 161 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,360 did provide me with the actual police report from that 162 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:07,679 day when the sheriff came out after he found these fingers, 163 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,559 So he did call some folks about this. It was 164 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,919 strange enough for that, So thank you so much for 165 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,639 sharing all that, David. All right, well let's go back. 166 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:19,519 This is a while back, right about forty years ago, 167 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,639 David to Louisiana. 168 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was living in northwest Louisiana, and I was 169 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,159 working a lot, and I liked to hunt. I did 170 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:37,080 my entire life. And you know, I've always heard those 171 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,320 stories about Bigfoot, and I just actually didn't believe it. 172 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,799 It was kind of one of little things. I figured 173 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:44,200 they was telling us to keep us out of the 174 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:50,360 woods so much. And anyway, I was back behind the house. 175 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,720 I was living in a trailer park and it was 176 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,679 southwest of Shreeport, and there was a lot of woods 177 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,480 that backed up to it, and that logging company had 178 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:04,919 been back there logging for several days, and I was 179 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,559 hating to see it. Because they were cutting some beautiful timber, 180 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,720 and I was places I've been hunting before when they 181 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:18,159 were gone, and anyway, it was shrinking, and I moved 182 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:22,399 to a place that was over by a by. It 183 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,840 was kind of late at night, and I had a 184 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,759 single barrel shotgun with squirrel shot in it, and the 185 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:30,799 swell shell swelled out in the barrel, so you really 186 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:33,679 only had one shot and had to drop something in 187 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:37,840 the barrel to get it out. So it was late 188 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:39,799 and I should have probably done been out of the woods, 189 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,480 and I was watching the night sky up against where 190 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:46,120 the sun was setting and looking for a squirrel running 191 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,639 along limb. I don't know how to found him, but 192 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,440 I was gonna, you know, shoot one if I did. 193 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,200 The leaves are real dry, and I'd been sitting there 194 00:11:56,279 --> 00:11:59,200 for I don't know about an hour when my back 195 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:04,440 to this tree and a bottle back behind me. I 196 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,480 heard something come up on the other side. And it's 197 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,360 dark now and I'm just sitting there and it comes 198 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:17,159 through the water and I can hear trudging through the water, 199 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:20,200 and I thought this is big. I figured it was 200 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,440 a deer, which I didn't normally see there very often. 201 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,639 I thought it was odd, but it comes through the 202 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,799 water and it comes up on the side where I'm 203 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:34,840 at and I can hear water running off on the 204 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:41,000 dry leaves. And it's not very long, about thirty seconds maybe, 205 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:46,159 and this thing lets out a giant something that went 206 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:53,320 like and I mean loud, and I jumped to my 207 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:59,159 feet and could not believe what I just heard. I'm 208 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,039 absolutely stunned and kind of freaking out all of a sudden, 209 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,639 and then it kind of gives am a little and 210 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:10,759 it does it again, even louder, and I can feel 211 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:14,279 this stuff go through my body. It was so loud, 212 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,240 and I'm like, I don't know what to do. And 213 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,840 I get nervous even talking about this now. But I 214 00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:26,360 turned and started to walk, and something said don't run, 215 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:29,480 don't run. But that first step turned into a run, 216 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,919 and I start running and I'm trying to get out 217 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,039 of these woods and I'm headed for a power line 218 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:38,759 that I knows out there, and this thing's running behind 219 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:41,399 me and I can hear it screaming and it's coming 220 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,679 down and you know, and I'm running it. I'm running 221 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,840 into stuff and finally I get out into the opening. 222 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,000 Well I can see a little bit. This is it 223 00:13:54,080 --> 00:14:00,000 getting dark, and this black looking things in the edge 224 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,080 of the woods, and it grabs two trees, probably about 225 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,399 this big, around six or eight foot apart, and starts 226 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:13,279 whipping the tops around like nothing and screaming again. I 227 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,399 just take off and I start running down this road, 228 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,159 and I run till I get to this other road, 229 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:22,519 and then it turns and goes by this big giant 230 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:25,080 thicket where they've done cut years before, and it's growed 231 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,840 up a bunch of briars and stuff, and one thing 232 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,000 ever seen in it was rabbits. And I run down 233 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:36,279 this road till it gets to this concrete where they 234 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,840 was going to put trailers, and they never did do it, 235 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,799 and it's way back at the back. And I get 236 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,840 to this concrete road and I run about fifty yards 237 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,080 and stop, and I turn around, looking back the way 238 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:52,639 I came from, and I don't see it, and all 239 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:55,559 of a sudden, it screams out and it's right here 240 00:14:55,759 --> 00:14:58,879 in the sticket starts throwing stuff up in the air, 241 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,600 and it's like a bunch of brush and stuff, and 242 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:06,639 it starts hollering again. And it was enough that I 243 00:15:06,679 --> 00:15:08,519 took off and I ran all the way home, and 244 00:15:08,559 --> 00:15:11,600 my mom was at my house and when I ran in, 245 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,720 she was like, what's wrong with you? And I ran 246 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,399 and grabbed a big pestel and I was scared, it's 247 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,039 gonna follow me all the way to the house. And 248 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:23,080 I was petrified, And I'm telling you honestly, and did 249 00:15:23,159 --> 00:15:25,600 not go in the woods for several years without a 250 00:15:25,679 --> 00:15:32,440 big handgun. I carried it under my shoulder illegally. I 251 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:36,519 was scared, and it could have caught me looking back 252 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:42,639 on if it wanted to. But it wounded me out 253 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,559 and it changed my life. Note that there was something out. 254 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: There like that, So in your mind, especially with the 255 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:53,879 power that it was yelling at you, there was no 256 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,720 way this could be a person beyond the trees and 257 00:15:57,759 --> 00:15:59,679 all this other stuff. But the scream a little. 258 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:06,639 Speaker 2: I've encountered with bears and everything else, and nothing like this, 259 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:13,919 absolutely nothing. This was. This was like the UFO's thing. 260 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:20,519 You you have to encounter, I guess yourself to understand 261 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:27,879 and to really believe it. And you know, I love 262 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,159 to hunt even now, and I start thinking about it 263 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:32,679 sometimes now when I go out. I don't like to 264 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,480 think about it too much though, because I don't want 265 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:35,279 to miss with my hunt. 266 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that even for myself. You know, it's 267 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,399 like one of those be careful what you wish for, 268 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,200 although you weren't wishing for that. You didn't even think 269 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,000 Bigfoot was real until then. 270 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:55,679 Speaker 2: No, no different thought that it stooke me. 271 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially when and I'm sure that it sounds 272 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,839 like even then you were pretty well versed in firearms 273 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:09,680 and what the squirrel gun or what was meant for 274 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,279 a squirrel, what it could and could not do. So 275 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,039 I'm sure that turning around and firing that gun you thought, 276 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,359 there's no reason for me to do that, it's just 277 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:18,440 gonna piss it off. 278 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: Well, the only way I was going to do is 279 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:23,680 it was right on me. And now a squirrel gun 280 00:17:23,799 --> 00:17:27,039 that real close range would do a lot of damage, 281 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,000 you know, point blank range. Don't think that it won't. 282 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,440 A shotgun, a blow squirrel shot, a blowding took by 283 00:17:35,519 --> 00:17:39,680 four a part, but you have to be real close 284 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:42,039 for a squirrel shot to do any effect like that. 285 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,279 And I was waiting and it was right on me. 286 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:49,599 It had been different, but yeah, I know I would 287 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,680 not would not have shot at turthered from I mean, 288 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,799 point blank range, and I wouldn't even want to do 289 00:17:56,839 --> 00:17:58,839 that because with that kind of power, I don't think it. 290 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:05,119 I don't know, you know, Yeah, I never heard anything 291 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:11,240 that loud in my life. It's all I can tell you. 292 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,599 If it's not being at a rock concert and you 293 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:18,319 can feel the vibration, Yeah, okay, it was like that. 294 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: If you could guess, how close do you think it 295 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,880 was to you at its closest point. If you could guess, 296 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:29,680 you may not know. 297 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: When it was chasing me out. It was probably five 298 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:39,599 ten feet because I could hear it hollering down and 299 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:48,000 it was above me. It could have caught me if 300 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:50,079 it wanted to. I'll tell you that. 301 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,319 Speaker 1: The area that you were actually sitting and squirrel hunting 302 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,880 is this public land, private property you were allowed to hunt. 303 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,279 Speaker 2: I just went back there. I don't know who long 304 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:06,240 did it at the time I stood up, but I 305 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:07,720 know they cut a bunch of it. There was some 306 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:11,240 nice houses over there on the other side. I mean, 307 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:13,720 this was a place that I wouldn't have thought anything 308 00:19:13,839 --> 00:19:16,160 like that would have happened. I was hunting in places 309 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,799 like Vodkall and places that if you thought you was 310 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:23,880 going to run into it, you would. I never seen it, 311 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,519 but the only time might have had any counter was 312 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,160 where I was talking about. 313 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: Now, had you been in there before to walk through 314 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:40,920 or hunt or anything? Sure, No weird feelings, nothing strange 315 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,319 in there. 316 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: No, I've had another weird feeling in another place, but 317 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,759 I didn't see anything. It was just kind of the 318 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:49,720 same feeling. Though. 319 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: Do you recall you may not, but were there any 320 00:19:57,039 --> 00:19:59,200 I know this is at night, but certain things still 321 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,039 are lowed at night. Do you recall things getting quiet 322 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,119 before all this started? 323 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was unusually quiet before there that 324 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,400 I didn't even see a squirrel, and this was a 325 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,480 place that I normally would tear them up. That's all. 326 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:21,000 I didn't even see anything. I didn't The only thing 327 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:28,079 I seen and heard was that my mother her reaction 328 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:30,519 when I she says, go back out there and kill it. 329 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:36,839 And I'm like, I don't know if she just thought 330 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:40,160 I was joking or what I mean. I was absolutely 331 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,960 shaken in my boots. I'm not kidding. 332 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,319 Speaker 1: Do you remember what you said to her though? Did 333 00:20:46,319 --> 00:20:49,480 you say there's a monster outside, There's something I don't 334 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:52,039 even know what it is outside. What did you say 335 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:52,319 to her? 336 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: I said, I think it's bigfoot. Oh you did, Yes, 337 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,480 I said, I think it was bigfoot, and I think 338 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:05,759 that's when she was thinking. I was joking, single back 339 00:21:05,759 --> 00:21:08,319 out there and killed it kind of thing. But she 340 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:10,680 was living down in the Big Thicket and said she 341 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:13,640 had some kind of something to holler down there that 342 00:21:13,759 --> 00:21:19,720 scared her at her window. And now she kind of 343 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:21,359 find feeling about it. 344 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: She was in the Big Thicket and that happened. Huh 345 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:27,839 that a lot of a lot goes on the Big Thicket. 346 00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:33,319 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's where they were living. Yeah, she's back 347 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:33,759 here now. 348 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you in the subsequent years, you know, with 349 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:44,839 internet and forums and websites like BFRO where people can 350 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,880 add things into a database, have you gone back to 351 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,799 see in that area how how busy it is with 352 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,519 bigfoot activity reported? 353 00:21:54,720 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 2: No, ma'am, I haven't. You know. I was drying for 354 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,880 every worldwide at the time and drove right through Fouc 355 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,160 almost every day, which was like what sixty eight maybe 356 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,000 eight miles to the north of where I was at. 357 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,759 And I know that there's a lot of people that 358 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,079 have sightings in that area. I don't know why, I 359 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,960 just I just I really did think for a long 360 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,680 time it was just you know, a bunch of garbage, 361 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,920 because nobody ever killed one of them or come up 362 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,440 with one of them that was you know, I just 363 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,359 don't think there's a bunch of them, But I do 364 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,400 think I do know that there was one forty years 365 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,319 ago where I was at. 366 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: So you've said a couple of times, and I agree 367 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:52,960 with you that if it wanted to, it easily could 368 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,400 have grabbed you, taken you, and nobody probably would have 369 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,880 been the wiser. Do you in your opinions? You don't know. 370 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,000 Nobody knows for sure, But do you think that there's 371 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,519 a chance that there are some rogue bigfoot out there 372 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:10,319 that are grabbing people for whatever reason? Probably food, but 373 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,680 who knows. 374 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. I I found it very odd. I 375 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,799 didn't see deer in that area. I seen one deer 376 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,880 in the I lived at that spot for three or 377 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,640 four years, and I hunted back back there a lot 378 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,680 and seen one deer the entire time. I thought that 379 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:40,000 was odd that, I mean just normal let Louisiana. I mean, 380 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,200 they're deer everywhere. 381 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: Did you ever go back out to that particular spot ever? 382 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: I went back out, but it took a little bit. 383 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,200 I mean I didn't do it at that It's dark. 384 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you didn't. My goodness, that's there's a 385 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,400 brown pants moment right there, Folks. How close were the 386 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:05,920 other houses? 387 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 2: Like? 388 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,519 Speaker 1: How much of a swath of forest and river? Whatever? 389 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,119 It was a canal? How big was that area? 390 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:19,839 Speaker 2: It wasn't that big. It maybe twenty or thirty feet 391 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,839 across a place I was at. I looked at it 392 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,240 on the satellite sentence and it looks like they dug 393 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,039 a canal that goes around or something. Now, it wasn't 394 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,000 like that where whenever I was there, But they dug 395 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,200 some kind of big canal around. I guess the diverts 396 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:41,799 in that ward. They had a lot of flooding problems 397 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:47,839 at that place. But it was, you know, like I say, 398 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,039 only twenty thirty feet across, and the houses wasn't probably 399 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:56,079 a quarter mile to half mile away in another direction. 400 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,160 And I'm talking about some nice houses. So it's not 401 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,759 a place I would have expected to happen, that's all. 402 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:09,440 If I expected that, I'd expected it like it, you 403 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,440 know that, and bought some in other places. 404 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: And so if you were a bigfoot, if we're thinking 405 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,160 from a big foot's perspective, if we can just pretend 406 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,720 that we can if you wanted to stay hidden, you know, 407 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:30,920 and without being within I don't know, fifty feet of 408 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,759 a house. Could you stay you know, hop forest to 409 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,759 forest or well swath of trees, I should say, not forest. 410 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:42,480 Could you stay hidden in a way if you wanted to. 411 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:44,759 I mean, how rural was it back then? 412 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,279 Speaker 2: Well it was more rural, I'm sure than it is now. 413 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,680 I hadn't been down there in a long time. Yeah, 414 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:55,440 it evidently had to see whell look I was. I 415 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,400 was sitting on the ground with my back to it, 416 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,319 leaning up against a tree too. And I often wondered 417 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:04,400 because I didn't get up and turn or nothing, you know, 418 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:07,839 I mean, did it see me or did it smell me? 419 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,440 I mean, because I was just sitting on the ground 420 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,839 looking to the west, you know, looking at the top 421 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,799 of these trees. Then it comes directly up behind me 422 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,559 and I and I wasn't moving, And I often wonder 423 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,240 how it knew I was there to do that. 424 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if almost it came upon you and 425 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,079 you surprised it in some sort of a way, like 426 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,599 maybe you didn't know you you were there until it 427 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,839 kind of came upon you, and it just it screamed 428 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,559 like that out of surprise and anger, and it got 429 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:40,799 you to move, that's for sure. 430 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I thought that what it always 431 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:47,200 would always saw about it. I just I thought that 432 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,559 it was mad because all the trees that got cut. 433 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,319 And I wasn't happy about it either, But you know, 434 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,440 that was what was in my mind, that it was 435 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:06,359 just mad about it gonement and took some of its 436 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,079 aggression out towards me. But I mean, it really could 437 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,599 have hurt me. God, I mean it, you know, incredible. 438 00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:20,559 The strength was incredible. You know, I don't know. 439 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: I can't imagine after the screams you seeing it shake 440 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:31,039 the trees the way that it did must have that 441 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,440 must have been so humbling. 442 00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:39,279 Speaker 2: It was awakening. It was you know, I just couldn't 443 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:43,119 believe something was that strong like that, and I knew 444 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,519 it wasn't. No person a Barry don't do nothing like that. 445 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,640 I mean, you know, as I told my mother, I said, 446 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,720 it think bigfoot. I was scared to follow me to 447 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,839 the house. That's what I was scared. I didn't sleep 448 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,480 all that long. 449 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: So don't you get home and you tell your mom 450 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,079 like bigfoots outside. You know, this is a problem you 451 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,519 you had a bigger gun. You had your big pistol. 452 00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,000 Did you actually go out on the porch or go 453 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,200 outside that night? 454 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 4: Oh? 455 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: Lord, No, Yeah, I stayed in the house. I'm just 456 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,599 hoping I didn't have to use it. I'm just telling you. 457 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,000 It was other drivers too, that was there. But I mean, 458 00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,079 I'm you know, it followed me the way it did? 459 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,400 You know, I know it probably what's where I went. 460 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: So I do wonder, And I don't blame you for 461 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,440 staying inside, by the way, but I do wonder since 462 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,400 it's about a half a mile right from where that happened, 463 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,000 where you ran to your house, I do wonder other 464 00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,799 people had to have heard that and gone, what in 465 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,039 the actual hack fire is going on out here? 466 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:54,759 Speaker 2: That? 467 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: I bet other people though came outside. 468 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:02,079 Speaker 2: I wondered that a lot myself, and I knew others 469 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:08,960 had to have heard that. Yes, same thing. I always 470 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,720 wanted the same thing in that other neighborhood end in 471 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:12,640 that trailer park. 472 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:16,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it sounded like. 473 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: Incredibly loud, and I mean it wasn't like normal. 474 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: So is there any part of you that wishes you 475 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:28,920 would have seen it? 476 00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: Well, sort of, yeah, I do, but it was so dark, 477 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:44,240 but it just hearing it was enough. I mean, you know, 478 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,319 I've had some real success with the felming of stuff 479 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:54,640 which I sent you something about, and you know, for 480 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,440 the longest time, nobody had actually, you know, actually bleedd 481 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,000 it and said, you know, making it up, all this 482 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,799 kind of stuff. So I made it a personal task 483 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:11,480 to capture that stuff on video. And once I did, 484 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,680 the person that actually kissed me off enough that I 485 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,200 was gonna get this stuff. I had never ever told 486 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,599 him that I have all this now and you know, 487 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,200 like I say, it's been authenticated, and I sent you 488 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,240 something about that. But even if I had a camera 489 00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:34,319 at that time that night, there would be no way 490 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,279 I could have tried to capture down on fem. I 491 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:44,640 was too scared, That's all I can tell you. 492 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: You know what that I'm looking back at our chat 493 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,640 in Facebook Messenger, and you did say can you receive video? 494 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:58,200 And I didn't get back to you. I mean for 495 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,880 a long time. You got in touch with me back 496 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,759 in twenty sixteen, and then we didn't touch base again 497 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,200 for a while. So I don't know if I don't 498 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,200 think that I've ever got an EMO from you, David 499 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,839 are there? So I didn't get the videos. Sorry, that's 500 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,880 what I'm trying to say, But and that was partially 501 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,440 my fault because obviously I didn't I didn't get back 502 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,640 to you then at that point with that particular message, 503 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,640 do you have these videos online anywhere a YouTube channel 504 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,799 and anything like that, or if you wanted. 505 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: To think, well, they don't move on's home channel. And 506 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,079 one of them's been authenticated by Mark D'Antonio. It's on 507 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,359 TMZ if you look up on TMZ Russell Crowe UFO. 508 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:53,720 They used one of my videos there at the bottom 509 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,960 of that. It's called Presidents Today UFO. 510 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,319 Speaker 1: Now, did do you do you subscribe to calling UFOs 511 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,960 in or do you just go out and see what 512 00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:12,839 you can see? 513 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: I can call them? 514 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,759 Speaker 1: Do you use the I guess you can call it 515 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,799 all C five. That's what I do. I just blanket 516 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,400 it all. But it's not all CE five. What's your 517 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,079 protocol if you don't mind sharing that? 518 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's just I just say, where are you guys at? 519 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,039 And then they start showing up? 520 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: What do they look like? What do the craft look like? 521 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,279 Speaker 2: Most of the time they're just the orbs. I mean, 522 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:49,319 they look like many sons. If you look at the 523 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:55,079 video and centuries just like that. Most of them a 524 00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:58,519 couple of triangles and stuff. But you know I've got 525 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:03,640 some that's in the day having like a cigar, you 526 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,759 know that type sign. 527 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I apologize. I thought you meant a bigfoot video, 528 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:10,640 so I was looking for that. So you did send 529 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,319 me the the UFO videos. 530 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,519 Speaker 2: Well, see, if i'd had a film, I couldn't have 531 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,400 shot a bigfoot. Yeah, I was too scared that night. 532 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, not that n i'd camera. No, not that night, No, 533 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:26,920 not at all. And I'm hesitant to share a video 534 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,319 that's on TMC or anything on on this I don't 535 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:32,200 want to get in any kind of trouble or flagged 536 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,920 or anything. But I can link that video so that 537 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,279 people can check that out. So David does not mean 538 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,720 that growing up or anything. Did you have any kind 539 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,160 of missing time or did you see any beings? Have 540 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,160 you always seen UFOs? 541 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always seen and yes, just missing time. Yes. 542 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,599 I have a friend here was with me on one 543 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:07,319 occasion and it's quite a story and he don't like 544 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:08,559 to talk about it though. 545 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, would you mind sharing that sure if you 546 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:15,880 like it. 547 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:24,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we were fishing jug fishing, and we was 548 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:28,119 out in what's called slack water, was an old river channel. 549 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:31,920 They closed off one end and it's a big, giant 550 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,000 about twelve or thirteen miles backwater, so there's really no 551 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,559 current up in it. We had had I don't know, 552 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,559 about twenty these judges had lock flective tape on it, 553 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,159 so you could see them for a long way with 554 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:51,280 the spotlight. And it was about probably one o'clock in 555 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,760 the morning, and I noticed that this thing was coming 556 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,599 down the channel there, and this channel is probably a 557 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,159 quarter to a half mile wide, and you know, it 558 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,480 goes like I say, you know, a big old makes 559 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,199 a big U shape. And first I thought it was 560 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:19,000 a helicopter, and my buddy was like flying off low. Yeah, 561 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,039 and it just kept coming and I said, man, it's 562 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,679 not a helicopter, and he said, what is it. I said, 563 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,639 I don't know, but it's not making any noise. And 564 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,440 it comes flying right up there and it gets right 565 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:39,519 over top of us and stops, and it scares the 566 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:43,719 out of me. And I immediately I'm in the front 567 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,519 of the boat and I start paddling because I want 568 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,840 to get to the bank because this thing's it's kind 569 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,679 of warm, you know, and anyway, we're paddling real hard 570 00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:58,599 trying to get to the bank, and he goes, look 571 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:02,480 at it, and I turned around and it's just kind 572 00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,039 of right here. And then the next thing I know, 573 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:10,239 I'm sitting in the center of the boat and he's 574 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,320 sitting in the back. And then we watch it as 575 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:19,039 it looks like a ball bounce it off, and he goes, 576 00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,639 what was that? And I said, I don't know, but 577 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,320 I'm just glad it's gone. And anyway, I was like 578 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:32,159 extremely tired all of a sudden, and I'm like, man, 579 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:36,679 and now the boat motors don't work, and the troller 580 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:42,400 motors don't work, and I'm drained, and the flashlights were 581 00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,519 but they wasn't working that well. And all these dugs 582 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:49,000 that was just right here beside us and around us, 583 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,119 they're like a half mile that way and a quarter 584 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:58,079 mile that way, and they're just strolled out everywhere, and 585 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:03,159 they were just right there. And my buddy goes, that 586 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:09,840 thing stole our jugs, and no, it didn't. Still want 587 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,880 to said, I see him way out there, and anyway, 588 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,079 I can't we can't go get them at the boat 589 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:21,840 motors not running, And so we paddled back to the bank, 590 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,440 barely could load the boat up. And I looked at 591 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,519 the thing and at my clock, and it was almost 592 00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:34,119 five o'clock, and you know, the son's about to come up. 593 00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,599 And I don't remember driving home. I don't remember if 594 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:41,519 I took him home. I don't remember anything after that. 595 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,960 It was just I don't know what happened. We wasn't drinking, 596 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,159 you know, I don't know what happened. But that's submissing 597 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,119 time there, and and these drugs they were just strolled everywhere, 598 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:04,800 and it's like we've been on for hours. It happens 599 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,320 seemed like ten or fifteen seconds, so it. 600 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,559 Speaker 1: Sounds about four hours gone. 601 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 2: Something like that. 602 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:18,119 Speaker 1: And your friend never ever wanted to speak about this. 603 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,639 Speaker 2: Ever, when he talks about it, he gets upset. And 604 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,280 he said, yeah, I said that thanks to old are jugs, 605 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,480 but he doesn't want to talk about it. It upsets him. 606 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, the jugs are in a different place. 607 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,920 But what about what happened to you guys, right right? 608 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,199 Speaker 2: I don't I had some kind of weird memories about 609 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,400 that too, But you know, I don't know if their 610 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,599 memories or just a dream or something. 611 00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:51,559 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of things can you recall 612 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:51,920 from it. 613 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 2: Me trying to want to get away and like people 614 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:03,639 inside little cubes or something. I don't know, it was 615 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,559 something I didn't I really don't want to talk about it. 616 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:12,079 It was kind of disturbing. What if I remember about it? 617 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: You know? And when the craft was over you you 618 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,440 said you felt a little warmth from it. 619 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Hm, I was scared. I was actually even thinking 620 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,440 about jumping in the water because of it. 621 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 1: I wonder if once you had that thought, if that's 622 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,400 when things clicked in to where you weren't gonna be 623 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:48,039 thinking about a whole lot anymore, you know, I don't know. 624 00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 2: I remember looking at the bank, which probably had to 625 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,119 be less than a quarter mile, you know, eighth of 626 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,519 a mile to the edge of it, and this thing 627 00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,599 was so bright I could make out details of sticks 628 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,360 and twigs and stuff over there, you know, just because 629 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,199 you couldn't even look at it. It was like looking 630 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,199 at the sun or maybe a welding towards you know, 631 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,159 I mean, you know, welding going on. It was so 632 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,000 bright you couldn't look hardly at it. 633 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: So so then after this happened, even though it frightened you, 634 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,360 you got interested enough to want to film them and 635 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,239 make more contact with them. 636 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happened. 637 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:50,079 Speaker 1: And so how did this video? Did you send it 638 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,239 to TMZ or did they see it online somewhere and 639 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,639 get in contact with you. 640 00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 2: No, what happened with that was I didn't know who 641 00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,519 to trust and at the time I was scared because 642 00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,199 you know, this stuff was happening. There's another one called 643 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,880 Zigzag is mine too. That was one of my first 644 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:15,880 real successes in two thousand and one. I caught Zigzag 645 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,679 and that's the one that got attention to the director 646 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,440 at Moufon whenever I called him and I sent this 647 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,880 to him, and so we had personal contact, me and him, 648 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,840 and he started putting me within people like within mac 649 00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,320 Bruce Bancabee and stuff, you know, contact with folks like that. 650 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,800 And I was sending him stuff like that, and he 651 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,320 was sending back comments of like was it somebody shooting 652 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,920 at somebody? Because there's some of them where wanting objects 653 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,159 flying in and you can clearly see what either it 654 00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:56,119 looks like a missile or something to fly students objects 655 00:41:56,119 --> 00:42:02,079 stops and comes running back away from it. So Bruce 656 00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:06,000 mcaby was that, like, is it who's shooting at who here, 657 00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:10,559 And you know, it's kind of odd. There's a whole 658 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:12,519 bunch of different stuff that I've called. 659 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,039 Speaker 1: Have you ever been nervous to call them in because 660 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:25,400 what if they what if this missing time incident happened again? 661 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 2: It probably already has. I mean, but you know, when 662 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,679 I was younger, I was more worried about it. But 663 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,360 I'm at this point in my life. You know, I'm 664 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,360 sixty three years old. I'm not too much worried about 665 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,880 it all that anymore. I of course want to live, 666 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:52,440 but I'm not concerned about dying. You know. You know, 667 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:54,840 you don't know what they're going to do is the 668 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,760 biggest thing. It's like the Bigfoot, you know, and the 669 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,840 Bible says it's gay through the valleys shell they're fear 670 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,360 no evil. Well, I forgot that part that night with Bigfoot. 671 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,880 You know, you're not supposed to be scared of this, 672 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,199 so and I try not to be. Yeah, I have 673 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,519 folks who are you know? 674 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: Well, David, I think that your reaction what happened in 675 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,239 the woods that night is extremely acceptable, and I think 676 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,360 people can understand that. I certainly can. So one more 677 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,760 thing about the fishing trip. How old were you on 678 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,519 that fishing on that night with the fishing trip with your. 679 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 2: Friend, about twenty nine or thirty. It was either ninety 680 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,960 one or ninety two. I don't think it's ninety three. 681 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,239 I think it's ninety two, though. 682 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,760 Speaker 1: Do you still go out and call them in? 683 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 2: I hadn't done it in the long I see there's 684 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,880 a guy on Facebook there is doing it a lot, 685 00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:13,840 and I mean he's doing this as well, the same 686 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:22,679 kind of stuff that I did. Chris Bloodson. Yeah, you know, 687 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,760 I hadn't done it a lot. I just said, I 688 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,639 just hadn't done it. 689 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,119 Speaker 1: So do you get any kind of an inclination of 690 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:38,039 who or what is piloting the UFOs, what it's tied to. 691 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,280 Is it us from the future, is it angels? What 692 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,440 do you think about it? 693 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,760 Speaker 2: I think it's a mixture of a whole bunch of things. 694 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,800 I think you've got angels. I think you got demons. 695 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,360 I think you got you know, you got crabs in 696 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,039 those I mean there's all kinds of stuff everywhere you look, 697 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,199 and there's a life everywhere, and all those points out 698 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,280 there had probably all kinds of life teaming and you 699 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,119 don't know what and some of this stuff there's no 700 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,920 telling what God's made out there. You know. 701 00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: Have you ever do you ever go out when you 702 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,840 were doing this regularly? Would you ever go out and 703 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,760 they wouldn't come in? 704 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever. I've had people that they didn't want to 705 00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:27,719 show up for Ah. 706 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: So it depended on who you were around and their 707 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,440 belief level or skepticism whatever it might be. 708 00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, something along those lines. I had one guy 709 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:42,400 and his wife who came out like eight or ten times, 710 00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,199 and I tried to call him in and they would 711 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,679 not show up. And he got to the point he's like, man, 712 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,480 come on, like well you know, and they did one 713 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,840 last time. He said we're gonna come one more time. 714 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,119 And they came out and they was just fixing a 715 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,880 leave and said, okay, and we're going to go. Say, 716 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,559 I guess it's just not going to show up for y'all. 717 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:07,000 And then they showed up. And then they showed up 718 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,400 in droves when they did, and it was like they 719 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,960 were just amazed. Then I'm like, well, you know, I 720 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,559 guess if I'm going to show themselves to you, but 721 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,360 you know, I didn't think they were. 722 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: It is interesting that it was their last time. They're like, 723 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,760 we'll give you one more try, and then they actually 724 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,719 showed up on the last time, right, But I just. 725 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 2: Thought they wasn't gonna show up for them for whatever reason. 726 00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:39,159 Speaker 1: You know, is it easier if you're just by yourself? 727 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,159 Have you found that? 728 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:46,159 Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, much easier. I've got a buddy that he 729 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,320 was out here and tried to just disclaiming he had 730 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,239 a bunch of friends that they were all waiting on 731 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,079 his text this is bull and man, he seemed about 732 00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:00,320 twenty that night and he was texting back, you know, 733 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,199 and how you couldn't believe it. And then next thing 734 00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:05,800 you know, he's become a regular out here with me. 735 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,159 And he has a story about Bigfoot too, I think. 736 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:21,079 Speaker 1: But are they more orbs or points of light or 737 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,599 do you ever see actual craft? 738 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 2: Most of them are just orders. I've seen actual craft. 739 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,079 There's a couple of them I can send you if 740 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,119 you want to see him or some daytime and stuff, 741 00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:37,480 But most of them's orbs. I've seen him as small 742 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:41,639 as like a basketball, like out in the yard, you know, 743 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,719 you know, knowing by nobody's in that. 744 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: It's like like the size of like a little ball 745 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,199 lightning just moving across the yard. 746 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,679 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but it moves radically and really fast, and 747 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,960 it looks like a little mini sun. It's just like 748 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:06,280 a mini version of our son. Or most of the 749 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,760 time they're green, looking greenish or blue to tin. Sometimes 750 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,440 there amber kind of are a little golden. Sometimes they 751 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,719 turn red, but most of the time they're green, kind 752 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,800 of a coat. And and they they move real erratic 753 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,599 though they it's I mean, they'll speed so fast across 754 00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:31,559 the yard and just stop and then fly up and 755 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,880 stuff and they're gone. I got a little bit of 756 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,559 that on video, but uh, most of time when I 757 00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:38,880 see that, I don't have a camera going or something, 758 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,599 and I hadn't seen that in a while. 759 00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: So, David, do you find that if you try to 760 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,239 film them they either a will not come in, or 761 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,880 if they do and then you try to film them, 762 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,960 will they just shoot off or disappear. 763 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,679 Speaker 2: I've done some of that, and I've got some of 764 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,880 that on FAM. It's interesting that you're bringing some of 765 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,800 that up because I got into doing some of that. 766 00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:07,039 They don't like infrared. I'll tell you that you do 767 00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:12,599 better if you'll run a PDS system, if you if 768 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:16,360 you use infrared, especially if they show up and then 769 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,400 you turn it on, man, you have bad reactions from them. 770 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,039 I think they think it's a weapon system coming online. 771 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: That's an interesting thought and that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, 772 00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:35,960 that makes a lot of sense what. 773 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 2: I think they think, because that's the reactions I've got. 774 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,400 I've actually I had the guy who was saying, please 775 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,400 quit doing that. I'm like, man, I'm getting some good reactions. 776 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,960 That's showing that because he was like their satellites or something, 777 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,679 because it kind of looked like a satellite. And then 778 00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,280 you do that and then they turn you know or not. 779 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: But you've never been frightened of them coming in you. 780 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,239 You've not worried that you're gonna wake up and there's 781 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,159 going to be something standing at the end of your bed. 782 00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:08,960 Tied to this, I can't say. 783 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 2: I hadn't worried about it. You can't say I don't. 784 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,119 I don't worry about bigfoot again, you know, Yeah, I 785 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,159 just deal with it. I mean, I'm not gonna quit hunting, 786 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:27,440 you know, just it's just the way A lot span 787 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,320 it's been interesting. I'll tell you that. 788 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that you didn't stop hunting. We've heard 789 00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:36,039 and I know that you've heard them too. A lot 790 00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:39,280 of the stories where people have these horrible experiences with bigfoot, 791 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,559 even if they were going out to look for bigfoot, 792 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,480 and you know, it changes everything that they love to 793 00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,360 do and they stop doing it. Which I don't blame 794 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,519 them either. I'm not making fun of them, but I'm 795 00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,280 glad that in your case that you just kind of 796 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,079 stuck with it and said, no, I'll just take out 797 00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,280 a bigger gun just in case. I like that. 798 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do that now, but I did do that, 799 00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,559 I mean religiously carried a big forty five for probably 800 00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:10,360 to three years. Sure did. 801 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,599 Speaker 1: Well. Was there anything else that you wanted to add in, David, Nothing. 802 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 2: That I know of, I mean, anything that you wanted 803 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,000 to know what I was telling you. 804 00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you being willing to share that UFO 805 00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:29,239 experience as well, and I will link everything in the 806 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,679 show notes that you brought up. I did see that 807 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,039 link to the TMZ article and all of that. I 808 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:38,519 didn't realize that that was that's what that was. I apologize, 809 00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:41,119 but yeah, I will link all of that, and then 810 00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:43,800 any videos that you want to send me that you're 811 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,480 okay sharing, I'll make sure to link those two and 812 00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:50,760 place those in and let me show this one more time. 813 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,119 That is the strange bone that was found on his 814 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,239 property in Arkansas. So if anybody you know you want 815 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,440 to reach out, you have resources that you do that 816 00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:04,400 kind of a thing, get in touch with me, Shannon 817 00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:08,639 into the Fray Radio or any of my socials. David, 818 00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:10,519 thank you so much for being willing to come on, 819 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,920 and we've been chatting for a long time. So it's 820 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,800 so nice to finally meet you and talk with you. 821 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 2: Good to see you, nice to meet you. Just watching. 822 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:23,639 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so and so. 823 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,519 Speaker 2: I was given this name by my parents. 824 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:26,039 Speaker 1: My business. 825 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,760 Speaker 5: I've out of college, I've done these things as my profession. 826 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,880 Speaker 2: I've producing a little book. 827 00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:36,880 Speaker 5: But it says, forget it, that's something your story, that's 828 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,400 all gone, that's all possible. I want to see them 829 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:42,920 really who you are now when nobody knows who that 830 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:49,320 is is, because we don't know ourselves except for listening 831 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,719 to our egos and consulting on ems. But that that's 832 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,960 a really when that again needs us back to this question, 833 00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:05,159 are you that is the me? We shall see how 834 00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,800 they play with the success will buy the colors to 835 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,880 get you to come out of the show and find 836 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,920 out really. 837 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:58,639 Speaker 4: It's puts puts its puss puss. But it's. 838 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 2: You'll find people, for example, are quite divided on us. 839 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,199 Speaker 5: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation 840 00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:17,320 that after your funeral grow you will sadly become sadly different, 841 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:24,320 there being somewhere else, they will say, reincarnation means this. Then, 842 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,320 if you sitting here now are really convinced that you're 843 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,840 the same person folding at. 844 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,800 Speaker 4: The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarnated. 845 00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:35,719 Speaker 5: If you are liberating with as now that you're gone. 846 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,280 The past hasn't been test, the future. 847 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:41,920 Speaker 4: Hasn't been twistence. 848 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,639 Speaker 2: There is only the present. 849 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 5: That's the only amenion that there is the zen Master. 850 00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:49,519 Speaker 2: Don't get what diners ways in. 851 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,360 Speaker 5: Extremely does not become the Samth. 852 00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:26,800 Speaker 6: First there is Samath, and then there is streep. 853 00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:51,440 Speaker 4: It's it's it's less its. 854 00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:55,039 Speaker 5: G S has the same ideas when he says, when 855 00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:57,480 you settled down in the train to read your newspaper, 856 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,079 not the same. 857 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:03,079 Speaker 2: While ago, and lift the plan. 858 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 5: If you think you are, you are linking your movements 859 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,280 up in and change. And this is what binds wet 860 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,519 when you know that every moment which you are is 861 00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:21,320 the only moment this comes into za. 862 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 2: The master will say to somebody, I can have a walk. 863 00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 5: Across the road, and it came back, and he says, 864 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:27,599 where are your foot? 865 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 2: They've gone, so where are you? Who are you? When 866 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,800 we are asked who we are, we usually give a 867 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,360 kind of recitation of an instrums insen