Speaker 1: So holding the intact the intact one, especially before he
broke it apart. How much larger of a finger would
this be compared to a normal person.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, they were larger than my fingers without flesh,
Like I said. The deputy and me talked for twenty
or thirty minutes about it, and then they then he
called out the forensic guys, and then they were in agreement. Yeah,
they were fingers. I'm like, that's an awful big man.
Speaker 3: The infinite competent people went to and pro here about
their little affairs, serene and the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar drip wood, which,
by chance or design, man has inherited out of the
dark mystery of time and space.
Speaker 1: On this episode of Into the Phray, I welcome David
on with me. He got in touch and he has
some bigfoot stuff to talk about, which I am very
very excited. David. Welcome on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Now, David, I would actually like to begin with something
that you and I were just talking about before we
hit record here, and that is the fact that on
your property you found a very interesting couple of items
and I would like to I only know a little
bit of the story. You provided a photo even along
with this, and it might be of interest to some
folks listening. Let everybody know what you found.
Speaker 2: Well, I was out cleaning up the yard and the
dogs at deer season, they're gonna drag up a lot
of deer bones and carcasses, and it happens every year,
and I was out picking them up so you don't
run them over the lawnmower and throw them away, and
it's just running along picking them up, and they leaving
them in one area a lot of the time. And
I reached down and picked up what I thought was
just regular bones, and as soon as I throwed them
in the bag, I realized that it was normal deer
bones and it was two fingers, and immediately took them
back out and put them to the side. And I
had a girlfriend here at the time, and I didn't
want to learn her about it and stuff, so I
didn't say anything to her, and I waited till the
next day and I called the deputy sheriff out and
he came out loud and he thought, yeah, these are fingers,
And I'm like, this aftful big man and anyway, he
called the friends the guy out and he had this
other guy with him, and they started looking at him,
and he's like, yes, fingers, you know. He said, where'd
they come from. I'm like, well, I just found him
in the yard. I said, I'm calling you on and
letting you know what happened. Excuse me. Anyway, he asked
where did they come? And I said, the dogs go
down the road here to this dump down there and
people dump a lot of stuff, and I assume maybe
they come from down there. And so they took off
with them, and I didn't take any pictures of them.
I wish I had, but I didn't. But they took off,
and a couple of days of the crime lab came
down and all kinds of folks and they all went
down there and stayed down there a couple of two,
three days, and my neighbors going, let's go down there
and see what's going on. M M. I said that
we found in my yard. I'm already, you know, I spoke.
I'd been down there in a long time. I don't
want my DNA down there, so I said, you go
down there if you want to. And anywhere they finally
lived a couple of weeks later, I hadn't heard anything,
and so I called this guy and he told me.
He said, well, oh it was some kind of animal.
He said, you didn't find the more, have you? I said,
well no, and I said what kind of said, I
don't remember what kind of animal? He said, but you
didn't found them more, have you? And I'm no, And
brief calling, it was over and I actually kept that
one little piece I showed you. Yeah, I found a
few days later.
Speaker 1: Let me pull the picture up here so anybody watching
on YouTube or my Patreon can see this. But it
is it looks like it's a bone or what could
be a piece of a finger with what looks like
some tissue attached a little bit of dirt. And then
David has placed a tape measure and then a quarter
underneath the tape measure to give some extra size and
scale perspective. So I mean, talk a little bit about
this photo, David. Is the thinking that that is the
the middle bone of a finger or is that a finger?
Speaker 2: I think that's the tip of the one that was missing.
There was two, but one of them's tip was missing
when there was two that I took and give to
those guys, and then the dogs came back up with that,
and I just noticed it. It was the same kind
of thing, and I picked it back up and I
didn't I didn't kind of got back. I just put
it in the freeze.
Speaker 1: So you still got this piece. I had it very interesting.
So anybody out there watching, listening, if you have the
means to do so, maybe you could get in touch
with me and I could pass that along to David
and maybe there's some testing that could be done. I
do wonder what they came up with, as far as
you know, they said, well, it's it's not a person, obviously.
They sounds like they were worried it was. That's why
they were down there for so many days, right, like
a missing person or a homicide of some sort. But
then to come back and say, well, it was an animal.
But they had already spent so much time thinking it
was some kind of a person, so interesting.
Speaker 2: And that he couldn't remember what kind of animal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Betty could though, huh. I wonder.
Speaker 2: I just thought I thought that was very odd. And
then he asked me like two or three times, I
hadn't found anymore though I have one, and if it
was an animal. Why would he care if I found anymore?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Good point. I mean, do you have any activity around
your house at all? That I mean, I know the
area that you're and you're in Arkansas right now, but
of course there's big foot activity in Arkansas. But do
you personally have any thoughts that there are any around
your area? Now we're back then when you found them?
Speaker 2: I don't now. I mean, I've heard one of my
neighbors talk about when he was a kid. He lives
across the road down road about a quarter mile, but
he said back behind his house when he was a kid,
there was something that had had in him, but don't
encounter I personally kind of had was in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're about to go there. I can't wait to
hear that one. So the fingers, though, the two that
you were, they fully intact at the time.
Speaker 2: One of them was totally intact. Kind of it still
had tissue connected to it, but most of it had
brought it away. But it was like that one. You
could see if there was still ligaments or something there. Yeah,
but they were, they were totally together. And in fact,
the guys that that forensic guy had brought with him,
got to messing with it and broke it apart, and
you could tell they only moved one way. It wasn't
like a tail, and you know, everybody was in agreement.
They were fingers, you know.
Speaker 1: So holding the intact the intact one, especially before he
broke it apart. How much larger of a finger would
this be compared to a normal person.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, they were larger than my fingers without flesh.
Speaker 1: Could you tell at all that the sheriff and then
the forensic person. Were they trying to kind of, you know,
like play it cool, tamp down there? Oh my gosh,
what is this? It must have been strange for all
of you guys to see. Were they acting odd at all?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, we stood out there and looked and talked
about it for an hour hour and a half out
there in the driveway, Like I said, the deputy and
me talked for twenty or thirty minutes about it, and
then they then he called out the forensic guys, and
then they were in agreement. Yeah, they were fingers. I'm like,
that's an awful big man, That's all I could think.
I'm like, that is one big man and obvioush I
took pictures of that, and I didn't. But like I said,
that was other sizes of that. I think was a
tip with the other one.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to show this a but David
did provide me with the actual police report from that
day when the sheriff came out after he found these fingers,
So he did call some folks about this. It was
strange enough for that, So thank you so much for
sharing all that, David. All right, well let's go back.
This is a while back, right about forty years ago,
David to Louisiana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was living in northwest Louisiana, and I was
working a lot, and I liked to hunt. I did
my entire life. And you know, I've always heard those
stories about Bigfoot, and I just actually didn't believe it.
It was kind of one of little things. I figured
they was telling us to keep us out of the
woods so much. And anyway, I was back behind the house.
I was living in a trailer park and it was
southwest of Shreeport, and there was a lot of woods
that backed up to it, and that logging company had
been back there logging for several days, and I was
hating to see it. Because they were cutting some beautiful timber,
and I was places I've been hunting before when they
were gone, and anyway, it was shrinking, and I moved
to a place that was over by a by. It
was kind of late at night, and I had a
single barrel shotgun with squirrel shot in it, and the
swell shell swelled out in the barrel, so you really
only had one shot and had to drop something in
the barrel to get it out. So it was late
and I should have probably done been out of the woods,
and I was watching the night sky up against where
the sun was setting and looking for a squirrel running
along limb. I don't know how to found him, but
I was gonna, you know, shoot one if I did.
The leaves are real dry, and I'd been sitting there
for I don't know about an hour when my back
to this tree and a bottle back behind me. I
heard something come up on the other side. And it's
dark now and I'm just sitting there and it comes
through the water and I can hear trudging through the water,
and I thought this is big. I figured it was
a deer, which I didn't normally see there very often.
I thought it was odd, but it comes through the
water and it comes up on the side where I'm
at and I can hear water running off on the
dry leaves. And it's not very long, about thirty seconds maybe,
and this thing lets out a giant something that went
like and I mean loud, and I jumped to my
feet and could not believe what I just heard. I'm
absolutely stunned and kind of freaking out all of a sudden,
and then it kind of gives am a little and
it does it again, even louder, and I can feel
this stuff go through my body. It was so loud,
and I'm like, I don't know what to do. And
I get nervous even talking about this now. But I
turned and started to walk, and something said don't run,
don't run. But that first step turned into a run,
and I start running and I'm trying to get out
of these woods and I'm headed for a power line
that I knows out there, and this thing's running behind
me and I can hear it screaming and it's coming
down and you know, and I'm running it. I'm running
into stuff and finally I get out into the opening.
Well I can see a little bit. This is it
getting dark, and this black looking things in the edge
of the woods, and it grabs two trees, probably about
this big, around six or eight foot apart, and starts
whipping the tops around like nothing and screaming again. I
just take off and I start running down this road,
and I run till I get to this other road,
and then it turns and goes by this big giant
thicket where they've done cut years before, and it's growed
up a bunch of briars and stuff, and one thing
ever seen in it was rabbits. And I run down
this road till it gets to this concrete where they
was going to put trailers, and they never did do it,
and it's way back at the back. And I get
to this concrete road and I run about fifty yards
and stop, and I turn around, looking back the way
I came from, and I don't see it, and all
of a sudden, it screams out and it's right here
in the sticket starts throwing stuff up in the air,
and it's like a bunch of brush and stuff, and
it starts hollering again. And it was enough that I
took off and I ran all the way home, and
my mom was at my house and when I ran in,
she was like, what's wrong with you? And I ran
and grabbed a big pestel and I was scared, it's
gonna follow me all the way to the house. And
I was petrified, And I'm telling you honestly, and did
not go in the woods for several years without a
big handgun. I carried it under my shoulder illegally. I
was scared, and it could have caught me looking back
on if it wanted to. But it wounded me out
and it changed my life. Note that there was something out.
Speaker 1: There like that, So in your mind, especially with the
power that it was yelling at you, there was no
way this could be a person beyond the trees and
all this other stuff. But the scream a little.
Speaker 2: I've encountered with bears and everything else, and nothing like this,
absolutely nothing. This was. This was like the UFO's thing.
You you have to encounter, I guess yourself to understand
and to really believe it. And you know, I love
to hunt even now, and I start thinking about it
sometimes now when I go out. I don't like to
think about it too much though, because I don't want
to miss with my hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that even for myself. You know, it's
like one of those be careful what you wish for,
although you weren't wishing for that. You didn't even think
Bigfoot was real until then.
Speaker 2: No, no different thought that it stooke me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially when and I'm sure that it sounds
like even then you were pretty well versed in firearms
and what the squirrel gun or what was meant for
a squirrel, what it could and could not do. So
I'm sure that turning around and firing that gun you thought,
there's no reason for me to do that, it's just
gonna piss it off.
Speaker 2: Well, the only way I was going to do is
it was right on me. And now a squirrel gun
that real close range would do a lot of damage,
you know, point blank range. Don't think that it won't.
A shotgun, a blow squirrel shot, a blowding took by
four a part, but you have to be real close
for a squirrel shot to do any effect like that.
And I was waiting and it was right on me.
It had been different, but yeah, I know I would
not would not have shot at turthered from I mean,
point blank range, and I wouldn't even want to do
that because with that kind of power, I don't think it.
I don't know, you know, Yeah, I never heard anything
that loud in my life. It's all I can tell you.
If it's not being at a rock concert and you
can feel the vibration, Yeah, okay, it was like that.
Speaker 1: If you could guess, how close do you think it
was to you at its closest point. If you could guess,
you may not know.
Speaker 2: When it was chasing me out. It was probably five
ten feet because I could hear it hollering down and
it was above me. It could have caught me if
it wanted to. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: The area that you were actually sitting and squirrel hunting
is this public land, private property you were allowed to hunt.
Speaker 2: I just went back there. I don't know who long
did it at the time I stood up, but I
know they cut a bunch of it. There was some
nice houses over there on the other side. I mean,
this was a place that I wouldn't have thought anything
like that would have happened. I was hunting in places
like Vodkall and places that if you thought you was
going to run into it, you would. I never seen it,
but the only time might have had any counter was
where I was talking about.
Speaker 1: Now, had you been in there before to walk through
or hunt or anything? Sure, No weird feelings, nothing strange
in there.
Speaker 2: No, I've had another weird feeling in another place, but
I didn't see anything. It was just kind of the
same feeling. Though.
Speaker 1: Do you recall you may not, but were there any
I know this is at night, but certain things still
are lowed at night. Do you recall things getting quiet
before all this started?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was unusually quiet before there that
I didn't even see a squirrel, and this was a
place that I normally would tear them up. That's all.
I didn't even see anything. I didn't The only thing
I seen and heard was that my mother her reaction
when I she says, go back out there and kill it.
And I'm like, I don't know if she just thought
I was joking or what I mean. I was absolutely
shaken in my boots. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what you said to her though? Did
you say there's a monster outside, There's something I don't
even know what it is outside. What did you say
to her?
Speaker 2: I said, I think it's bigfoot. Oh you did, Yes,
I said, I think it was bigfoot, and I think
that's when she was thinking. I was joking, single back
out there and killed it kind of thing. But she
was living down in the Big Thicket and said she
had some kind of something to holler down there that
scared her at her window. And now she kind of
find feeling about it.
Speaker 1: She was in the Big Thicket and that happened. Huh
that a lot of a lot goes on the Big Thicket.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's where they were living. Yeah, she's back
here now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you in the subsequent years, you know, with
internet and forums and websites like BFRO where people can
add things into a database, have you gone back to
see in that area how how busy it is with
bigfoot activity reported?
Speaker 2: No, ma'am, I haven't. You know. I was drying for
every worldwide at the time and drove right through Fouc
almost every day, which was like what sixty eight maybe
eight miles to the north of where I was at.
And I know that there's a lot of people that
have sightings in that area. I don't know why, I
just I just I really did think for a long
time it was just you know, a bunch of garbage,
because nobody ever killed one of them or come up
with one of them that was you know, I just
don't think there's a bunch of them, But I do
think I do know that there was one forty years
ago where I was at.
Speaker 1: So you've said a couple of times, and I agree
with you that if it wanted to, it easily could
have grabbed you, taken you, and nobody probably would have
been the wiser. Do you in your opinions? You don't know.
Nobody knows for sure, But do you think that there's
a chance that there are some rogue bigfoot out there
that are grabbing people for whatever reason? Probably food, but
who knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I I found it very odd. I
didn't see deer in that area. I seen one deer
in the I lived at that spot for three or
four years, and I hunted back back there a lot
and seen one deer the entire time. I thought that
was odd that, I mean just normal let Louisiana. I mean,
they're deer everywhere.
Speaker 1: Did you ever go back out to that particular spot ever?
Speaker 2: I went back out, but it took a little bit.
I mean I didn't do it at that It's dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you didn't. My goodness, that's there's a
brown pants moment right there, Folks. How close were the
other houses?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How much of a swath of forest and river? Whatever?
It was a canal? How big was that area?
Speaker 2: It wasn't that big. It maybe twenty or thirty feet
across a place I was at. I looked at it
on the satellite sentence and it looks like they dug
a canal that goes around or something. Now, it wasn't
like that where whenever I was there, But they dug
some kind of big canal around. I guess the diverts
in that ward. They had a lot of flooding problems
at that place. But it was, you know, like I say,
only twenty thirty feet across, and the houses wasn't probably
a quarter mile to half mile away in another direction.
And I'm talking about some nice houses. So it's not
a place I would have expected to happen, that's all.
If I expected that, I'd expected it like it, you
know that, and bought some in other places.
Speaker 1: And so if you were a bigfoot, if we're thinking
from a big foot's perspective, if we can just pretend
that we can if you wanted to stay hidden, you know,
and without being within I don't know, fifty feet of
a house. Could you stay you know, hop forest to
forest or well swath of trees, I should say, not forest.
Could you stay hidden in a way if you wanted to.
I mean, how rural was it back then?
Speaker 2: Well it was more rural, I'm sure than it is now.
I hadn't been down there in a long time. Yeah,
it evidently had to see whell look I was. I
was sitting on the ground with my back to it,
leaning up against a tree too. And I often wondered
because I didn't get up and turn or nothing, you know,
I mean, did it see me or did it smell me?
I mean, because I was just sitting on the ground
looking to the west, you know, looking at the top
of these trees. Then it comes directly up behind me
and I and I wasn't moving, And I often wonder
how it knew I was there to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if almost it came upon you and
you surprised it in some sort of a way, like
maybe you didn't know you you were there until it
kind of came upon you, and it just it screamed
like that out of surprise and anger, and it got
you to move, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I thought that what it always
would always saw about it. I just I thought that
it was mad because all the trees that got cut.
And I wasn't happy about it either, But you know,
that was what was in my mind, that it was
just mad about it gonement and took some of its
aggression out towards me. But I mean, it really could
have hurt me. God, I mean it, you know, incredible.
The strength was incredible. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine after the screams you seeing it shake
the trees the way that it did must have that
must have been so humbling.
Speaker 2: It was awakening. It was you know, I just couldn't
believe something was that strong like that, and I knew
it wasn't. No person a Barry don't do nothing like that.
I mean, you know, as I told my mother, I said,
it think bigfoot. I was scared to follow me to
the house. That's what I was scared. I didn't sleep
all that long.
Speaker 1: So don't you get home and you tell your mom
like bigfoots outside. You know, this is a problem you
you had a bigger gun. You had your big pistol.
Did you actually go out on the porch or go
outside that night?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Lord, No, Yeah, I stayed in the house. I'm just
hoping I didn't have to use it. I'm just telling you.
It was other drivers too, that was there. But I mean,
I'm you know, it followed me the way it did?
You know, I know it probably what's where I went.
Speaker 1: So I do wonder, And I don't blame you for
staying inside, by the way, but I do wonder since
it's about a half a mile right from where that happened,
where you ran to your house, I do wonder other
people had to have heard that and gone, what in
the actual hack fire is going on out here?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: I bet other people though came outside.
Speaker 2: I wondered that a lot myself, and I knew others
had to have heard that. Yes, same thing. I always
wanted the same thing in that other neighborhood end in
that trailer park.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it sounded like.
Speaker 2: Incredibly loud, and I mean it wasn't like normal.
Speaker 1: So is there any part of you that wishes you
would have seen it?
Speaker 2: Well, sort of, yeah, I do, but it was so dark,
but it just hearing it was enough. I mean, you know,
I've had some real success with the felming of stuff
which I sent you something about, and you know, for
the longest time, nobody had actually, you know, actually bleedd
it and said, you know, making it up, all this
kind of stuff. So I made it a personal task
to capture that stuff on video. And once I did,
the person that actually kissed me off enough that I
was gonna get this stuff. I had never ever told
him that I have all this now and you know,
like I say, it's been authenticated, and I sent you
something about that. But even if I had a camera
at that time that night, there would be no way
I could have tried to capture down on fem. I
was too scared, That's all I can tell you.
Speaker 1: You know what that I'm looking back at our chat
in Facebook Messenger, and you did say can you receive video?
And I didn't get back to you. I mean for
a long time. You got in touch with me back
in twenty sixteen, and then we didn't touch base again
for a while. So I don't know if I don't
think that I've ever got an EMO from you, David
are there? So I didn't get the videos. Sorry, that's
what I'm trying to say, But and that was partially
my fault because obviously I didn't I didn't get back
to you then at that point with that particular message,
do you have these videos online anywhere a YouTube channel
and anything like that, or if you wanted.
Speaker 2: To think, well, they don't move on's home channel. And
one of them's been authenticated by Mark D'Antonio. It's on
TMZ if you look up on TMZ Russell Crowe UFO.
They used one of my videos there at the bottom
of that. It's called Presidents Today UFO.
Speaker 1: Now, did do you do you subscribe to calling UFOs
in or do you just go out and see what
you can see?
Speaker 2: I can call them?
Speaker 1: Do you use the I guess you can call it
all C five. That's what I do. I just blanket
it all. But it's not all CE five. What's your
protocol if you don't mind sharing that?
Speaker 2: Well, it's just I just say, where are you guys at?
And then they start showing up?
Speaker 1: What do they look like? What do the craft look like?
Speaker 2: Most of the time they're just the orbs. I mean,
they look like many sons. If you look at the
video and centuries just like that. Most of them a
couple of triangles and stuff. But you know I've got
some that's in the day having like a cigar, you
know that type sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I apologize. I thought you meant a bigfoot video,
so I was looking for that. So you did send
me the the UFO videos.
Speaker 2: Well, see, if i'd had a film, I couldn't have
shot a bigfoot. Yeah, I was too scared that night.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not that n i'd camera. No, not that night, No,
not at all. And I'm hesitant to share a video
that's on TMC or anything on on this I don't
want to get in any kind of trouble or flagged
or anything. But I can link that video so that
people can check that out. So David does not mean
that growing up or anything. Did you have any kind
of missing time or did you see any beings? Have
you always seen UFOs?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always seen and yes, just missing time. Yes.
I have a friend here was with me on one
occasion and it's quite a story and he don't like
to talk about it though.
Speaker 1: But yeah, would you mind sharing that sure if you
like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we were fishing jug fishing, and we was
out in what's called slack water, was an old river channel.
They closed off one end and it's a big, giant
about twelve or thirteen miles backwater, so there's really no
current up in it. We had had I don't know,
about twenty these judges had lock flective tape on it,
so you could see them for a long way with
the spotlight. And it was about probably one o'clock in
the morning, and I noticed that this thing was coming
down the channel there, and this channel is probably a
quarter to a half mile wide, and you know, it
goes like I say, you know, a big old makes
a big U shape. And first I thought it was
a helicopter, and my buddy was like flying off low. Yeah,
and it just kept coming and I said, man, it's
not a helicopter, and he said, what is it. I said,
I don't know, but it's not making any noise. And
it comes flying right up there and it gets right
over top of us and stops, and it scares the
out of me. And I immediately I'm in the front
of the boat and I start paddling because I want
to get to the bank because this thing's it's kind
of warm, you know, and anyway, we're paddling real hard
trying to get to the bank, and he goes, look
at it, and I turned around and it's just kind
of right here. And then the next thing I know,
I'm sitting in the center of the boat and he's
sitting in the back. And then we watch it as
it looks like a ball bounce it off, and he goes,
what was that? And I said, I don't know, but
I'm just glad it's gone. And anyway, I was like
extremely tired all of a sudden, and I'm like, man,
and now the boat motors don't work, and the troller
motors don't work, and I'm drained, and the flashlights were
but they wasn't working that well. And all these dugs
that was just right here beside us and around us,
they're like a half mile that way and a quarter
mile that way, and they're just strolled out everywhere, and
they were just right there. And my buddy goes, that
thing stole our jugs, and no, it didn't. Still want
to said, I see him way out there, and anyway,
I can't we can't go get them at the boat
motors not running, And so we paddled back to the bank,
barely could load the boat up. And I looked at
the thing and at my clock, and it was almost
five o'clock, and you know, the son's about to come up.
And I don't remember driving home. I don't remember if
I took him home. I don't remember anything after that.
It was just I don't know what happened. We wasn't drinking,
you know, I don't know what happened. But that's submissing
time there, and and these drugs they were just strolled everywhere,
and it's like we've been on for hours. It happens
seemed like ten or fifteen seconds, so it.
Speaker 1: Sounds about four hours gone.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 1: And your friend never ever wanted to speak about this.
Speaker 2: Ever, when he talks about it, he gets upset. And
he said, yeah, I said that thanks to old are jugs,
but he doesn't want to talk about it. It upsets him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, the jugs are in a different place.
But what about what happened to you guys, right right?
Speaker 2: I don't I had some kind of weird memories about
that too, But you know, I don't know if their
memories or just a dream or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of things can you recall
from it.
Speaker 2: Me trying to want to get away and like people
inside little cubes or something. I don't know, it was
something I didn't I really don't want to talk about it.
It was kind of disturbing. What if I remember about it?
Speaker 1: You know? And when the craft was over you you
said you felt a little warmth from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hm, I was scared. I was actually even thinking
about jumping in the water because of it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if once you had that thought, if that's
when things clicked in to where you weren't gonna be
thinking about a whole lot anymore, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I remember looking at the bank, which probably had to
be less than a quarter mile, you know, eighth of
a mile to the edge of it, and this thing
was so bright I could make out details of sticks
and twigs and stuff over there, you know, just because
you couldn't even look at it. It was like looking
at the sun or maybe a welding towards you know,
I mean, you know, welding going on. It was so
bright you couldn't look hardly at it.
Speaker 1: So so then after this happened, even though it frightened you,
you got interested enough to want to film them and
make more contact with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: And so how did this video? Did you send it
to TMZ or did they see it online somewhere and
get in contact with you.
Speaker 2: No, what happened with that was I didn't know who
to trust and at the time I was scared because
you know, this stuff was happening. There's another one called
Zigzag is mine too. That was one of my first
real successes in two thousand and one. I caught Zigzag
and that's the one that got attention to the director
at Moufon whenever I called him and I sent this
to him, and so we had personal contact, me and him,
and he started putting me within people like within mac
Bruce Bancabee and stuff, you know, contact with folks like that.
And I was sending him stuff like that, and he
was sending back comments of like was it somebody shooting
at somebody? Because there's some of them where wanting objects
flying in and you can clearly see what either it
looks like a missile or something to fly students objects
stops and comes running back away from it. So Bruce
mcaby was that, like, is it who's shooting at who here,
And you know, it's kind of odd. There's a whole
bunch of different stuff that I've called.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been nervous to call them in because
what if they what if this missing time incident happened again?
Speaker 2: It probably already has. I mean, but you know, when
I was younger, I was more worried about it. But
I'm at this point in my life. You know, I'm
sixty three years old. I'm not too much worried about
it all that anymore. I of course want to live,
but I'm not concerned about dying. You know. You know,
you don't know what they're going to do is the
biggest thing. It's like the Bigfoot, you know, and the
Bible says it's gay through the valleys shell they're fear
no evil. Well, I forgot that part that night with Bigfoot.
You know, you're not supposed to be scared of this,
so and I try not to be. Yeah, I have
folks who are you know?
Speaker 1: Well, David, I think that your reaction what happened in
the woods that night is extremely acceptable, and I think
people can understand that. I certainly can. So one more
thing about the fishing trip. How old were you on
that fishing on that night with the fishing trip with your.
Speaker 2: Friend, about twenty nine or thirty. It was either ninety
one or ninety two. I don't think it's ninety three.
I think it's ninety two, though.
Speaker 1: Do you still go out and call them in?
Speaker 2: I hadn't done it in the long I see there's
a guy on Facebook there is doing it a lot,
and I mean he's doing this as well, the same
kind of stuff that I did. Chris Bloodson. Yeah, you know,
I hadn't done it a lot. I just said, I
just hadn't done it.
Speaker 1: So do you get any kind of an inclination of
who or what is piloting the UFOs, what it's tied to.
Is it us from the future, is it angels? What
do you think about it?
Speaker 2: I think it's a mixture of a whole bunch of things.
I think you've got angels. I think you got demons.
I think you got you know, you got crabs in
those I mean there's all kinds of stuff everywhere you look,
and there's a life everywhere, and all those points out
there had probably all kinds of life teaming and you
don't know what and some of this stuff there's no
telling what God's made out there. You know.
Speaker 1: Have you ever do you ever go out when you
were doing this regularly? Would you ever go out and
they wouldn't come in?
Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever. I've had people that they didn't want to
show up for Ah.
Speaker 1: So it depended on who you were around and their
belief level or skepticism whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, something along those lines. I had one guy
and his wife who came out like eight or ten times,
and I tried to call him in and they would
not show up. And he got to the point he's like, man,
come on, like well you know, and they did one
last time. He said we're gonna come one more time.
And they came out and they was just fixing a
leave and said, okay, and we're going to go. Say,
I guess it's just not going to show up for y'all.
And then they showed up. And then they showed up
in droves when they did, and it was like they
were just amazed. Then I'm like, well, you know, I
guess if I'm going to show themselves to you, but
you know, I didn't think they were.
Speaker 1: It is interesting that it was their last time. They're like,
we'll give you one more try, and then they actually
showed up on the last time, right, But I just.
Speaker 2: Thought they wasn't gonna show up for them for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: You know, is it easier if you're just by yourself?
Have you found that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, much easier. I've got a buddy that he
was out here and tried to just disclaiming he had
a bunch of friends that they were all waiting on
his text this is bull and man, he seemed about
twenty that night and he was texting back, you know,
and how you couldn't believe it. And then next thing
you know, he's become a regular out here with me.
And he has a story about Bigfoot too, I think.
Speaker 1: But are they more orbs or points of light or
do you ever see actual craft?
Speaker 2: Most of them are just orders. I've seen actual craft.
There's a couple of them I can send you if
you want to see him or some daytime and stuff,
But most of them's orbs. I've seen him as small
as like a basketball, like out in the yard, you know,
you know, knowing by nobody's in that.
Speaker 1: It's like like the size of like a little ball
lightning just moving across the yard.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but it moves radically and really fast, and
it looks like a little mini sun. It's just like
a mini version of our son. Or most of the
time they're green, looking greenish or blue to tin. Sometimes
there amber kind of are a little golden. Sometimes they
turn red, but most of the time they're green, kind
of a coat. And and they they move real erratic
though they it's I mean, they'll speed so fast across
the yard and just stop and then fly up and
stuff and they're gone. I got a little bit of
that on video, but uh, most of time when I
see that, I don't have a camera going or something,
and I hadn't seen that in a while.
Speaker 1: So, David, do you find that if you try to
film them they either a will not come in, or
if they do and then you try to film them,
will they just shoot off or disappear.
Speaker 2: I've done some of that, and I've got some of
that on FAM. It's interesting that you're bringing some of
that up because I got into doing some of that.
They don't like infrared. I'll tell you that you do
better if you'll run a PDS system, if you if
you use infrared, especially if they show up and then
you turn it on, man, you have bad reactions from them.
I think they think it's a weapon system coming online.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting thought and that makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
that makes a lot of sense what.
Speaker 2: I think they think, because that's the reactions I've got.
I've actually I had the guy who was saying, please
quit doing that. I'm like, man, I'm getting some good reactions.
That's showing that because he was like their satellites or something,
because it kind of looked like a satellite. And then
you do that and then they turn you know or not.
Speaker 1: But you've never been frightened of them coming in you.
You've not worried that you're gonna wake up and there's
going to be something standing at the end of your bed.
Tied to this, I can't say.
Speaker 2: I hadn't worried about it. You can't say I don't.
I don't worry about bigfoot again, you know, Yeah, I
just deal with it. I mean, I'm not gonna quit hunting,
you know, just it's just the way A lot span
it's been interesting. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that you didn't stop hunting. We've heard
and I know that you've heard them too. A lot
of the stories where people have these horrible experiences with bigfoot,
even if they were going out to look for bigfoot,
and you know, it changes everything that they love to
do and they stop doing it. Which I don't blame
them either. I'm not making fun of them, but I'm
glad that in your case that you just kind of
stuck with it and said, no, I'll just take out
a bigger gun just in case. I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do that now, but I did do that,
I mean religiously carried a big forty five for probably
to three years. Sure did.
Speaker 1: Well. Was there anything else that you wanted to add in, David, Nothing.
Speaker 2: That I know of, I mean, anything that you wanted
to know what I was telling you.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you being willing to share that UFO
experience as well, and I will link everything in the
show notes that you brought up. I did see that
link to the TMZ article and all of that. I
didn't realize that that was that's what that was. I apologize,
but yeah, I will link all of that, and then
any videos that you want to send me that you're
okay sharing, I'll make sure to link those two and
place those in and let me show this one more time.
That is the strange bone that was found on his
property in Arkansas. So if anybody you know you want
to reach out, you have resources that you do that
kind of a thing, get in touch with me, Shannon
into the Fray Radio or any of my socials. David,
thank you so much for being willing to come on,
and we've been chatting for a long time. So it's
so nice to finally meet you and talk with you.
Speaker 2: Good to see you, nice to meet you. Just watching.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so and so.
Speaker 2: I was given this name by my parents.
Speaker 1: My business.
Speaker 5: I've out of college, I've done these things as my profession.
Speaker 2: I've producing a little book.
Speaker 5: But it says, forget it, that's something your story, that's
all gone, that's all possible. I want to see them
really who you are now when nobody knows who that
is is, because we don't know ourselves except for listening
to our egos and consulting on ems. But that that's
a really when that again needs us back to this question,
are you that is the me? We shall see how
they play with the success will buy the colors to
get you to come out of the show and find
out really.
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Speaker 2: You'll find people, for example, are quite divided on us.
Speaker 5: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral grow you will sadly become sadly different,
there being somewhere else, they will say, reincarnation means this. Then,
if you sitting here now are really convinced that you're
the same person folding at.
Speaker 4: The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarnated.
Speaker 5: If you are liberating with as now that you're gone.
The past hasn't been test, the future.
Speaker 4: Hasn't been twistence.
Speaker 2: There is only the present.
Speaker 5: That's the only amenion that there is the zen Master.
Speaker 2: Don't get what diners ways in.
Speaker 5: Extremely does not become the Samth.
Speaker 6: First there is Samath, and then there is streep.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's less its.
Speaker 5: G S has the same ideas when he says, when
you settled down in the train to read your newspaper,
not the same.
Speaker 2: While ago, and lift the plan.
Speaker 5: If you think you are, you are linking your movements
up in and change. And this is what binds wet
when you know that every moment which you are is
the only moment this comes into za.
Speaker 2: The master will say to somebody, I can have a walk.
Speaker 5: Across the road, and it came back, and he says,
where are your foot?
Speaker 2: They've gone, so where are you? Who are you? When
we are asked who we are, we usually give a
kind of recitation of an instrums insen