Speaker 1: I think that some of the answers, Lord, what is
Speaker 1: my identity? What do I bring this ministry in terms
Speaker 1: of vision? Because I've been following my dad. It's amazing
Speaker 1: leadership for years. You're kind of if you're me, I
Speaker 1: guess you're kind of in a soul search to determine
Speaker 1: what your own identity is.
Speaker 2: Let me just say the Rocky Balboa movie. You remember
Speaker 2: the son approaches Rocky and takes him outside. He's like that,
Speaker 2: you cast a big shadow.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I can only imagine being in your position
Speaker 2: and trying to find your own identity in your own path,
Speaker 2: with such an amazing man standing in front of you.
Speaker 1: You said it best. I mean, that's exactly it. I
Speaker 1: forgot about the Balboa reference there, but you're right. Although
Speaker 1: contrasting difference, I wasn't jealous or angry at my father
Speaker 1: or angry that he cast at a big shadow. I
Speaker 1: was always proud of my dad. Still am you know.
Speaker 1: I've told my mom his books are going to be
Speaker 1: like Kirk Cobain on steroids. His books are going to
Speaker 1: be like Kirk Cobain on steroids.
Speaker 4: His books are going to be like Kirk Cobain on steroids.
Speaker 3: What is happening and what is up?
Speaker 2: Sold out your glass because we're about to feel it up.
Speaker 5: All things continually lead back to serpents, dragons, fairies, nepheline,
Speaker 5: and fallen angels. In the distance looms a mystical mountains.
Speaker 5: As Mi Kaiser used to say, if it's in the
Speaker 5: Bible and it's weird, it's probably important. At its peak,
Speaker 5: a great fire burns, concealing the Prometheus lens.
Speaker 6: This development of this knowledge that's being talked about within
Speaker 6: the mystery.
Speaker 5: Schools, an ancient artifact said to reveal the hidden truth
Speaker 5: within a deliberately darkened world.
Speaker 1: There is a hidden history that's been deliberately obscated from the.
Speaker 5: People's little world. Join us as we travel and explore
Speaker 5: the vast unknown. It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay,
Speaker 5: damsels to save, and innumerable treasures to hoard.
Speaker 1: Torches high the Smithsonian, they call wind of a giant's belt,
Speaker 1: would send their agents out to get it. But it
Speaker 1: takes courage to move forward, to move out.
Speaker 5: Of the shadows, out of the unreality that we think of,
Speaker 5: this reality.
Speaker 3: We are all on the hero's journey.
Speaker 5: Mankind has been in contact with and influenced by extra terrestrials.
Speaker 3: Leave the sitient mound of bull feathers out of it, you.
Speaker 5: Know, look at it from a different perspective, different.
Speaker 2: Respective what is happening and what is up? Hold out
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Speaker 2: to be must appreciated. Well, today, guys, got to treat
Speaker 2: for you someone that I just grew up as an
Speaker 2: infant Christian, reading the books and watching the films. And
Speaker 2: this is a man that honestly needs no introduction. But
Speaker 2: he's a man with many hats. He's a director, he's
Speaker 2: an author, he's a researcher, he's a public speaker. He's
Speaker 2: done film directing, and he's now that the CEO of
Speaker 2: the infamous SkyWatch TV. So we are very very blessed
Speaker 2: today in honor to have Joe Horn on the show
Speaker 2: with us. Joe, thank you so much for.
Speaker 1: Your time, justin It's my pleasure to be here, my friend.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I greatly appreciate it. Uh.
Speaker 2: For those that are not familiar with skywatching, you know,
Speaker 2: if they've been living under a rock, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of just give them an overview of who Joe Horney
Speaker 2: is and what you guys do.
Speaker 1: So my parents, in particular, my father, he started doctor
Speaker 1: Thomas Horne. He was a multi time bestselling author and
Speaker 1: a giant, massive titan of Bible prophecy for many, many decades.
Speaker 1: If you've ever researched topics like you know, Aliens through
Speaker 1: the lens of the Biblical worldview, the Nephelum, you know, Enoch,
Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch, E'sekiel's Wheel, anything having to do
Speaker 1: with the Book of Revelation or Bible prophecy, you're probably
Speaker 1: going to stumble across doctor Thomas Horne. And he got
Speaker 1: it in his head over a decade ago that there
Speaker 1: wasn't a television platform that would consistently handle the materials
Speaker 1: that was being written in his books. Does that make
Speaker 1: sense because he's taking on subjects like I just mentioned,
Speaker 1: and he found that a lot of these platforms would
Speaker 1: kind of pass and he wanted his books out there.
Speaker 1: He wanted his message out there. He felt like God
Speaker 1: had given him something to say, and he felt like
Speaker 1: the church and a lot of popular television outlets radio
Speaker 1: outlets just weren't dealing with the subject material. Now, ironically,
Speaker 1: at the same time, all throughout the nineties, early two thousands,
Speaker 1: way into the twenty teens, he is now on secular
Speaker 1: radio broadcasts. These are the people that will take his
Speaker 1: message and he never had any problems with it at all.
Speaker 1: He'd have Christians that were unwilling to take the interviews
Speaker 1: on because they don't want to deal with his book,
Speaker 1: also throwing rocks at him, saying why are you talking
Speaker 1: to those people? They're not Christians, and he would be like,
Speaker 1: here's your sign, bingo, right. These are exactly the people
Speaker 1: that he wanted to persuade. These are exactly the people
Speaker 1: that he wanted to talk to. So he would be
Speaker 1: on coast to coast am talking to a quarter of
Speaker 1: a billion people while the church is ignoring his book.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? And these are people that have
Speaker 1: an interest in the afterlife. Are ghosts real? Are aliens real?
Speaker 1: Are they Biblical demons? Are they entities that some benevolent
Speaker 1: creator manufactured and then pumped out into a universe that
Speaker 1: we have no idea about. Right, the same thing with
Speaker 1: the Book of Revelation, or just people's fascination with the
Speaker 1: occult or supernaturalism. And maybe some of these people are
Speaker 1: disenfranchised from the church because they've talked to their pastors
Speaker 1: about some of this and they've gotten Two really common
Speaker 1: responses from most of the entertainment based church today are, first,
Speaker 1: why are you fascinated with the obscure? You tend to
Speaker 1: be a bit fringe. That alarms me. You should get
Speaker 1: back to the basics of you know, biblical teaching and living,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Not that there's anything wrong with the basics
Speaker 1: of biblical training or lifestyle, but it's the unwillingness to
Speaker 1: deal with difficult questions. And then the second part of
Speaker 1: it is you would find out that a lot of
Speaker 1: pastors are not inherently interested in therefore they don't know
Speaker 1: a lot about things like Bible prophecy, or the occult
Speaker 1: or supernaturalism or my grandmother passed away a year ago,
Speaker 1: and I think she's talking to me at night. Is
Speaker 1: that biblical? Can that be happening? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know, the story just goes on and on
Speaker 1: and on and on and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: I could tell stories all day about my dad and
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that he did when he was
Speaker 1: doing exorcistic work, and some of the supernatural warfare that
Speaker 1: he experienced as a young pastor, and then all throughout
Speaker 1: his career. But the bottom line, has you asked me
Speaker 1: about SkyWatch TV, I'm giving you the shortest answer possible,
Speaker 1: but with enough context to explain what SkyWatch TV was
Speaker 1: in its origin and what it continues to be today.
Speaker 1: Was a response to the lack of willingness from major
Speaker 1: news outlets and the organized church slash entertainment based Christian
Speaker 1: television programming to deal with these issues. And so roughly
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, he starts talking to me, and he was
Speaker 1: always ahead of schedule. He had for years been saying, no,
Speaker 1: trust me, son, Someday TV isn't going to be like today.
Speaker 1: You're not going to buy a cable subscription and then
Speaker 1: a satellite's going to drop four hundred channels for one
Speaker 1: hundred bucks a month. He said, it's all going to TV.
Speaker 1: It's all going to be streaming. This was before podcasts
Speaker 1: really erupted. We're talking in the early two thousands and
Speaker 1: he's telling me, someday the internet is going to be uh,
Speaker 1: you know, your your access to television. And then he
Speaker 1: started describing smart TVs before we even you know, you're
Speaker 1: still you're still dealing with you know that what we
Speaker 1: used to call a boob tube. The biggest TV you
Speaker 1: could buy and take home, just short of one of
Speaker 1: those mirror reflector televisions that was you know, four feet
Speaker 1: by three feet or what have you, was about a
Speaker 1: thirty six inch and it would take three guys to
Speaker 1: lift this behemoth, you know, into a vehicle if you
Speaker 1: had to move people. Remember those who were heavy man,
Speaker 1: really dense.
Speaker 3: He had half that wide.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they were really heavy. But he said, no,
Speaker 1: trust me, someday you're just going to turn your TV on.
Speaker 1: You're not going to have a satellite box. There's not
Speaker 1: going to be an extra cable subscription sitting there next
Speaker 1: to the thing. He's like, You're just going to turn
Speaker 1: the TV on and have full access to everything, and
Speaker 1: he said, not only is it the future, but it's
Speaker 1: going to give rise to a lot of us that
Speaker 1: can't get mainstream access a platform to create our own programming.
Speaker 1: So by the time we hit about twenty twelve ish,
Speaker 1: he is now talking to us as a family about
Speaker 1: SkyWatch TV. And now he feels like God is really
Speaker 1: giving him this vision for what is going to become
Speaker 1: what exists today. Now, I'll give you an interesting unless
Speaker 1: you're bored to death with this explanation, I'll give you
Speaker 1: an interesting tidbit that I've not talked about much. So
Speaker 1: this is just for you, justin Are you ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I promise you this is going to blow your mind.
Speaker 3: I'm holding on.
Speaker 1: Buckle up man. He's talking about the launch of SkyWatch TV.
Speaker 1: I am working with his ministry out of a sense
Speaker 1: of commitment to my parents, not obligation, but commitment to
Speaker 1: help them with their dreams. But what I'm really doing
Speaker 1: is I'm a dog trainer. And people can fact check this.
Speaker 1: They can go back to twenty fourteen. I've got a
Speaker 1: dog training DVD out. I'm like one hundred pounds heavier
Speaker 1: than I am. Now, I'm not aware that my health
Speaker 1: is about to completely implode. But I'm training dogs and
Speaker 1: I and it's what I want. This is what I want.
Speaker 1: I want to be an animal behavior expert. I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of reading, the schooling, and I'm deeply immersed
Speaker 1: in dog training and I'm taking on clients that have
Speaker 1: If you've ever seen the TV show The Dog Whisperer,
Speaker 1: so don't go watch that and think that Caesar Milan
Speaker 1: and I are identical in both personality and approach to
Speaker 1: training dogs. But if you see that show and you've
Speaker 1: seen it, then it's the closest thing I can hand
Speaker 1: to somebody and say generally, I did a lot of
Speaker 1: what you see there in terms of accomplishing intervention for
Speaker 1: dogs that are biters or about to be euthanized. I
Speaker 1: had a big heart for the dogs that were misunderstood.
Speaker 1: And you find out that most of these dogs that
Speaker 1: are biters or being labeled as aggressive are misunderstood there,
Speaker 1: and it's actually a people person problem. It's an owner.
Speaker 1: It's an owner problem. I don't like the word owner.
Speaker 1: I prefer.
Speaker 3: Caretaker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, caretaker steward. Sorry, that was the word I was jobbing.
Speaker 1: We're stewards of responsibility. When God has blessed us with
Speaker 1: pets and animals, they're like family members and we shouldn't
Speaker 1: think of ourselves as owners. More custodiums. We have dominion
Speaker 1: over them. It's up to us to make sure that
Speaker 1: their care is provided and leadership when necessary. But I
Speaker 1: tend to stay away from harsh corrections or the idea
Speaker 1: that we're the owners. But that's just a Joe Horn
Speaker 1: personal thing. So I've got this businessman, Darren Papa's who
Speaker 1: was the Branson dog whisperer, handed me his entire rollo
Speaker 1: decks when he moved from Branson, Missouri to California. He said,
Speaker 1: here are all of my clients. You're the only one
Speaker 1: that I trust to take over these long standing client
Speaker 1: that I've been working with, and so I'm deeply immersed
Speaker 1: in this. Now here's the part I promised you you
Speaker 1: needed to buckle up for you ready, I was actually
Speaker 1: encouraging my dad not to launch SkyWatch TV.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: And if you understand in context why I took that position,
Speaker 1: as he was dreaming about what he wanted to do
Speaker 1: and why he was launching it, it makes some sense.
Speaker 1: He had been talking for a few years about the
Speaker 1: need to retire to get my mom set up should
Speaker 1: something happen to him, He said, I never want her
Speaker 1: to get stuck groveling for bad wages.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: It breaks my heart in advance, this idea that she
Speaker 1: would be without a nest egg or something to sit
Speaker 1: on so she could land on her feet. I don't
Speaker 1: want it to become you kids talking about me and
Speaker 1: my siblings. He's like, I don't want it to become
Speaker 1: your responsibility to now scramble, how to you know, advocate
Speaker 1: for our estates or anything else. He wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure she was taken care of and that us kids
Speaker 1: were free to live our own lives. And so I said, Dad,
Speaker 1: this whole SkyWatch TV thing kind of fights against, at
Speaker 1: least in my view, exactly what you've been articulating, the
Speaker 1: need here for you as a man to accomplish this.
Speaker 1: I said some things that are so funny. I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you what I said, and then I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you what happened, and then you'll see how
Speaker 1: God has a serious sense of humor. I said, Dad,
Speaker 1: if you do this thing with SkyWatch TV, you're going
Speaker 1: to end up with fifty employees. You're going to be
Speaker 1: operating out of a retired Walmart building somewhere, a massive
Speaker 1: giant building. You're going to need to warehouse books and
Speaker 1: products and employees and offices. And I said, And the
Speaker 1: third part of it was, I said, your cell phone
Speaker 1: is going to ring off the hook night and day,
Speaker 1: night and day. There will be no escape. So that
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a retirement plan to me. That sounds
Speaker 1: like you at your age is getting ready to jump
Speaker 1: off the edge of the pirates plan into the great
Speaker 1: grand unknown like this, this is probably not you know,
Speaker 1: he had he had had some success as a writer,
Speaker 1: and I felt that he was really risking some of
Speaker 1: that revenue that he had created to leave my mom
Speaker 1: with this massive expense of building a TV studio and everything, right,
Speaker 1: because he was self funding all of this. This was
Speaker 1: way before we were asked re viewers to partner with
Speaker 1: us and stuff. Does this make sense?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's possible. I've told this story, but never
Speaker 1: in this kind of detail from memory. I've never gone
Speaker 1: into this kind of detail. So you'll have to tell
Speaker 1: me when you're done with it, Like if I talk
Speaker 1: too much about these details. Oh, I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: that the origins of SkyWatch and the Sun that now
Speaker 1: is the CEO is telling him, don't do this thing.
Speaker 3: Dad.
Speaker 1: I was seriously concerned about it. Here's the part that
Speaker 1: I think affords us a minute to laugh and remark
Speaker 1: about the irony and maybe some bit of humor on
Speaker 1: the behalf of our father. God. Those things have happened,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't my dad who would ultimately end up
Speaker 1: being in the positions that I articulated. So we didn't
Speaker 1: get a Walmart building. But as God is my witness,
Speaker 1: he finds this retired grocery store, this massive grocery store,
Speaker 1: the identity of which I will leave ambiguous, so we
Speaker 1: don't have people trying to find the location of the
Speaker 1: building and all that. But it's a retired grocery store.
Speaker 1: We did end up with fifty employees and sometimes more
Speaker 1: during seasonal help during the summer, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And my cell phone does ring off the hook constantly
Speaker 1: without reprieve. Yeah, but I didn't realize as I was
Speaker 1: telling my dad all of this stuff was going to
Speaker 1: be his reality that would be ultimately mine. But I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not depressed about it. I'm not jaded. I'm
Speaker 1: not upset about it. God had from twenty fourteen to
Speaker 1: present day, during the whole exodus from Dolle, no longer
Speaker 1: actively training dogs or in a career that involves animal behavior.
Speaker 1: I was at one time what my good friend Debbie
Speaker 1: Short kind of spoke over me. We were on the
Speaker 1: phone one day and she said, Joe, as I was
Speaker 1: grappling with this whole dog training shift, and I feel
Speaker 1: I don't have a release to leave SkyWatch. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of asking God for it quite a lot, because I
Speaker 1: really wanted this other career path. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I had my parents do your thing. Man, we want
Speaker 1: you to be happy. Dream your dream, what's your calling?
Speaker 1: Get together with God, you sort out what you need
Speaker 1: to do. They were never They were never these parents
Speaker 1: who told me, son, you just can't leave us like this.
Speaker 1: I were counting on you. It was never like that.
Speaker 1: It was never a head trip. My dad just totally
Speaker 1: believed that God would take care of the needs of
Speaker 1: whatever ministry. Go live your life man, whatever that looks
Speaker 1: like greatest parents of all time. But I then would
Speaker 1: get together with God and I, no matter how hard
Speaker 1: I rationalized the want to move toward this dog training
Speaker 1: career and really embrace that fully because this other thing
Speaker 1: was kind of me just helping my parents with something
Speaker 1: that sounded important to my dad. I didn't have a release,
Speaker 1: and it was one that I wanted big time, and
Speaker 1: I felt for a couple of years there as I
Speaker 1: was doing both full time, it was tearing me apart emotionally.
Speaker 1: My dreanals were shot. I'm trying to run Monday through Friday.
Speaker 1: The dog training business had now become weekends too because
Speaker 1: I couldn't get to all the clients, and sometimes weeknights.
Speaker 1: And this is all while I'm trying to help produce
Speaker 1: TV for my father, who had now launched SkyWatch TV
Speaker 1: and syndicate satellite television networks all over the world. And
Speaker 1: my good friend Debbie Short says, Joe, you remind me
Speaker 1: of a marlin. And I said, what do you mean
Speaker 1: by that? And she says, now these are her words.
Speaker 1: I don't think of myself as some prize, but she said,
Speaker 1: I view you as a marlin. I said, what do
Speaker 1: you mean by that? And she said, when fishermen go
Speaker 1: out one of the most prized fish that they catch
Speaker 1: and then trophy and put on the wall and display, etc.
Speaker 1: They have to fight long and hard for those they're
Speaker 1: not an easy catch. It's one of the reasons they're
Speaker 1: so savored and cherished and celebrated when fishermen have large
Speaker 1: ones that they can pin on the wall, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But they're a costly battle. Sometimes they're difficult to find.
Speaker 1: They're exhausting, multiple hours of fighting back and forth with
Speaker 1: the tension on the line, and she said, she said,
Speaker 1: I think of your I think of you as a marlin.
Speaker 1: God's been trying to wear you down. He's been trying
Speaker 1: to get you to see the obvious solution to the
Speaker 1: answer to your prayer, and you're fighting him, right, no way, Lord,
Speaker 1: I just but what I want is over there, and
Speaker 1: what I feel you're calling me towards this thing I
Speaker 1: don't want is over here because I really want that, right,
Speaker 1: So Lord, the things I want the desires of my heart, right,
Speaker 1: you know how you rationalize things. But really, if I
Speaker 1: were being honest, I just felt like I needed to surrender.
Speaker 1: So ultimately I did roughly around twenty fifteen sixteen. I
Speaker 1: am full in now on SkyWatch, and I have retired
Speaker 1: from dog training, and I'm still busy with the question
Speaker 1: at the time of You know, Lord, I still don't
Speaker 1: know what my calling in all of this is, but
Speaker 1: I don't have a release, and so now I'm just
Speaker 1: going to be obedient and do whatever I think is
Speaker 1: required of these ministries.
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Speaker 1: Episode and that I could go on and on. I
Speaker 1: want justin for the sake of not boring your audience
Speaker 1: to death. But that was a mold. I'd love to
Speaker 1: tell you that that was a quick season. I had clarity.
Speaker 1: My father passed away. To collapse the story. He passed
Speaker 1: away last October, So we're coming up here ten and
Speaker 1: a half months. Pretty soon. It'll be a year the
Speaker 1: time of this recording, and it honestly to collapse because
Speaker 1: this is complicated. But the last couple of years of
Speaker 1: his life, I felt like I was standing in a
Speaker 1: necessary gap for people that needed leadership while his health
Speaker 1: was really becoming difficult, and he hid it so well
Speaker 1: on TV and it wasn't my place to scare everybody. Hey,
Speaker 1: your champion is winding down, and we were doing everything
Speaker 1: we could nutritionally to buy him time and to support
Speaker 1: his health. And frankly, I believe that that had a
Speaker 1: lot to do with buying him at least three more years,
Speaker 1: because it was getting really serious around twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and the last three or four years of his life
Speaker 1: probably was. We got blood labs on him eight weeks
Speaker 1: before he passed away that in his cholesterol's perfect, his
Speaker 1: blood pressure's perfect, his blood sugar is perfect. And this
Speaker 1: was all being done by things like kurcumin and berberine
Speaker 1: and black seed oil and Nato kaines and an acidl cysteine,
Speaker 1: And we're pumping him full of things that were pro
Speaker 1: cognition because he had also been told at early Alzheimer's.
Speaker 1: And so while he was winding down, he had a
Speaker 1: stated position of wanting to retire. He wanted to take
Speaker 1: my mom in an RV and go be ambassadors for
Speaker 1: what happens today at Whispering Ponies Ranch, which is SkyWatch
Speaker 1: TV's charitable ministry that facilitates the rehabilitation of children that
Speaker 1: have been pulled out of sex trafficking and the foster
Speaker 1: care system and abuse that happens in every way imaginable,
Speaker 1: and the plan became, He's going to take my mother
Speaker 1: and they're going to go out across the nation and
Speaker 1: let everybody know about the good work that God is
Speaker 1: doing through Whispering Pony's Ranch, and in that way surrogate
Speaker 1: and be the ambassador for the ministry and for the branding, etc.
Speaker 5: Etc.
Speaker 1: But his cognition was kind of resetting. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to go into a lot of detail here, but
Speaker 1: anybody that's ever had a parent or a loved one
Speaker 1: go through cognitive decline that seems fairly rapid knows exactly
Speaker 1: what I mean by resetting. So vaguely I will describe
Speaker 1: some of what was happening towards the end of his
Speaker 1: life is I would start getting phone calls from staff
Speaker 1: members that need to know what to do because they
Speaker 1: and I had maybe had meetings that were the side
Speaker 1: effects of conversations I would have with my father. So
Speaker 1: out of respect, I make sure that he is satisfied
Speaker 1: with the direction of a decision. After he is satisfied
Speaker 1: and believes in the direction of a decision, I disseminate
Speaker 1: that information to staff, and the very next day, sometimes
Speaker 1: the same afternoon, they would be calling me, Hey, Tom
Speaker 1: has contrasting ideas and now wants to do a or
Speaker 1: take a quick right turn where we've all agreed on,
Speaker 1: and I would call my father, Oh, that's right, that's right, Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: It's very hard for me to talk about and if
Speaker 1: I'm not careful, I'll lose it. But the last two
Speaker 1: years of his life was me trying to administrate almost
Speaker 1: as a partner to my father out of respect, wanting
Speaker 1: for him and my mom to feel respected and considered
Speaker 1: in every aspect of the ministry, but also totally recognizing
Speaker 1: that he was resetting. And there were layers of confusion
Speaker 1: now because staff don't know what direction to follow, and
Speaker 1: it was a really difficult tight rope to walk. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if my performance was perfect. Someday I'll
Speaker 1: stand before the Lord and maybe he'll reveal a report card.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you that my support of my parents,
Speaker 1: my devotion to try to do all of the right things,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of. And I believe that my mother, who
Speaker 1: is here with us still by the grace of God.
Speaker 1: Thank God, for as long as we can keep her
Speaker 1: here feels the same. And she knew the dilemma and
Speaker 1: never felt like I was undermining my father or this
Speaker 1: was a coup, right that I made moves and counter
Speaker 1: moves to dilude his administration, ornything. It was a tough deal,
Speaker 1: just just a brutally tough deal. And then he passes
Speaker 1: away last October, and I set all of that to say,
Speaker 1: because I had kind of set your listeners up for
Speaker 1: you know, I'm praying God. I still don't know what
Speaker 1: my identity in all of this is. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm responsible for a bunch of it. But what is
Speaker 1: my calling? Is it? Just, honestly, is it just to
Speaker 1: stand in the gap during a time of transition? Is
Speaker 1: it to try to keep the ship moving forward when
Speaker 1: my dad is facing so much difficult but later you're
Speaker 1: going to bring in a different administrator. You know, what
Speaker 1: is this? Because I've surrendered the dog thing? But what
Speaker 1: is my calling? You know, I was a musician at
Speaker 1: one a musician at one time. I'm a father of four.
Speaker 1: I have aspirations and dreams that at times I struggle
Speaker 1: to kind of envision how it fits in with the
Speaker 1: things that dominate ninety nine percent of my life? Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? The responsibilities and so forth? But here's
Speaker 1: what I wanted to say, And then we can move
Speaker 1: into some other direction if you want. I ended up
Speaker 1: over the last few months getting little. I think spoon
Speaker 1: fed bread crumb answers to some of those prayers. And
Speaker 1: I think that now that my sweet hero, champion, best friend,
Speaker 1: colleague and ministry partner and everything mentor, I would have
Speaker 1: him back in a heartbeat if that were an option, selfishly,
Speaker 1: even though I know he's in a better place and
Speaker 1: he doesn't miss this place at all. And so I'm
Speaker 1: being really careful how I say this. This is not
Speaker 1: a time of celebration for me at all. But I
Speaker 1: think I think that that some of the answers, Lord,
Speaker 1: what is my identity? What do I bring this ministry
Speaker 1: in terms of vision? Because I've been following my dad's
Speaker 1: amazing leadership for years. You're kind of if you're me,
Speaker 1: I guess you're kind of in a soul search to
Speaker 1: determine what your own identity is.
Speaker 2: Let me just say a Jockey Bialboa movie, you remember,
Speaker 2: the sun approaches Rocky and takes him outside. He's like Dad,
Speaker 2: you cast a big shadow.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I can only imagine being in your position
Speaker 2: and trying to find your own identity in your own path,
Speaker 2: with such an amazing man standing in front of you.
Speaker 1: You said it best. I mean, that's exactly it. I
Speaker 1: forgot about the Balboa reference there, but you're right. Although
Speaker 1: contrasting difference, I wasn't jealous or angry at my father
Speaker 1: or angry that he cast at a big shadow. I
Speaker 1: was always proud of my dad still am. You know.
Speaker 1: I've told my mom his books are going to be
Speaker 1: like Kurt Cobain on steroids. You know how some of
Speaker 1: these artists are almost obscure and then they pass away,
Speaker 1: and then the whole world is like, wait, who was he?
Speaker 3: They were before their time.
Speaker 1: There, before their time. I feel like my dad. You
Speaker 1: could say the same thing about Russ Dizdar. You could
Speaker 1: say the same thing about Marcus Lamb. You could say
Speaker 1: the same thing about a lot of these people that
Speaker 1: we've lost, you know, over the Rob Skiba was a
Speaker 1: friend of ours. We didn't agree on everything, but you
Speaker 1: can maintain friendships and disagree on certain aspects of non
Speaker 1: salvation issue well, and for that matter. You can maintain
Speaker 1: friendships with people that have non self vation issue discrepancies
Speaker 1: in their theology as well, but you know, publicly endorsing
Speaker 1: the theology is a different thing. So you would maybe
Speaker 1: privately let people know that you disagree with certain things.
Speaker 1: But again, attacking the Body of Christ for differences of
Speaker 1: opinion in social media, I think this is a bad
Speaker 1: look for people. I think it weakens you.
Speaker 2: You look like Chathy says, you have an issue with
Speaker 2: your brother, take it up in private. And you've got
Speaker 2: too many people willing to be right fighters and fight
Speaker 2: and be ugly in the presence of millions of people.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't paint a good picture for the body.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. And my dad used to say, if
Speaker 1: I would quote my father here, he would always say,
Speaker 1: don't attack the person, attack the ideas. You can attack
Speaker 1: the theology. You can do that be very public, and
Speaker 1: he was his whole career was being very public about
Speaker 1: terrible theology and demonism and everything else. But he absolutely
Speaker 1: would not attack the messenger because he you know, he
Speaker 1: always believed that you would only galvanize the very people
Speaker 1: you're trying to persuade against anything that you're saying and
Speaker 1: it's a net total lumps loss loss, some loss. And
Speaker 1: I've got examples of this that you would laugh about. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's appropriate for your podcast, but
Speaker 1: it's leaders that were being called out in books that
Speaker 1: he would then published. But he would say, we're going
Speaker 1: to sanitize the identity of these people. Okay, I understand
Speaker 1: the wisdom, and we would sanitize the identity of the people,
Speaker 1: but leave the theological assertions in. And the very people
Speaker 1: that had prior been under attack in the book had
Speaker 1: these people on their own shows saying, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you're telling me that there's people out there that actually
Speaker 1: think this way and they have no idea that they
Speaker 1: were the ones originally in the book. The whole chapter
Speaker 1: was about, is this making sense? It makes my.
Speaker 2: Points in Sometimes I've got to take themselves out in
Speaker 2: the equation to see something.
Speaker 1: Just to just to wrap up, so you know, my
Speaker 1: father cast it a giant shadow, but not in a
Speaker 1: way that made me jealous or feel inferior or inadequate,
Speaker 1: or any of the things you might expect me to
Speaker 1: have felt. Just just the net reality of him being
Speaker 1: such a massive.
Speaker 3: Hero to me.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm gonna be really honest. This year has
Speaker 1: been a lot, you know, losing insurance at our camp.
Speaker 1: The enemy it's like he learned that my father passed
Speaker 1: away and saw an opportunity of weakness. SkyWatch is disorganized,
Speaker 1: They're without their champion. It's time to go full throttle.
Speaker 1: And this year, man, I could. I could fill five
Speaker 1: hours with just the new difficulties that have been leveraged
Speaker 1: against us in almost an onslaught. And we're just very
Speaker 1: private about it because we don't want to give people ideas.
Speaker 1: You go out and you say, ladies and gentlemen, pray
Speaker 1: for us. Here's the very specific area that we need prayer,
Speaker 1: and you'll have people praying for you, but you'll also
Speaker 1: have people going you know, that's a good idea. I
Speaker 1: could make a lot of trouble for these people doing
Speaker 1: the same types of things.
Speaker 2: And last month when we met too, you know, that
Speaker 2: was the first time we had met. And I remember
Speaker 2: me and you just everybody was inside still watching their presentation,
Speaker 2: and you come back there to the exhibitors and come
Speaker 2: through and I stopped you and we got to having
Speaker 2: a conversation, and you do, I mean, you don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on behind closed doors. I mean I knew,
Speaker 2: you know, your father was a huge inspiration to millions
Speaker 2: of people, so I can only imagine. I mean, I
Speaker 2: never met the man, but when he passed, how it
Speaker 2: made me feel how his family and friends and that
Speaker 2: that's there even just not even from a fatherly role,
Speaker 2: but from a leadership role, you know. And I remember
Speaker 2: I told you, I said, because I had no idea,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't know what goes on behind people's
Speaker 2: you know, closed doors and stuff. And I remember I
Speaker 2: told you, I was like, you know, I know it's
Speaker 2: it's hard, and it's it's fresh, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys have come under some heavy attack, but
Speaker 2: if not, it's coming and just keep going.
Speaker 3: Man, And I'm praying for you.
Speaker 2: And your dad loved and trusted you. And you are
Speaker 2: not Joe you know you You are not Tom Horne.
Speaker 2: You are Joe Horn and he would want you to
Speaker 2: just grab this thing and make it.
Speaker 3: Your own and go.
Speaker 2: And after having some conversations with you, you find out
Speaker 2: just all the spiritual warfare that that is behind it.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy how God works through people.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that, man, and you I left
Speaker 1: the go there for conference, the one that you're referring
Speaker 1: to where you and I met. I left there saying
Speaker 1: to myself, justin as a legitimate guy, and I'm and
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for your efforts. Man, I'm grateful for this
Speaker 1: podcast and all the stuff you're doing. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm doing this today. We're talking, man, We're gonna probably
Speaker 1: get past. You've asked me one question so far, and
Speaker 1: I think I've dithered now for thirty minutes. So was
Speaker 1: there something else you wanted to talk about today?
Speaker 2: Well, we got plenty week talk about, man, and that
Speaker 2: That's what I told everybody that I came back to
Speaker 2: the conference with too, because a lot of times, you do,
Speaker 2: you know, you build up these these altars, you know,
Speaker 2: and these thrones for the people that you follow and
Speaker 2: look up to and read their stuff, and then a
Speaker 2: lot of times you meet them you're disappointed.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I was not disappointed with you at whatsoever. I told
Speaker 2: everybody just how down to earth you are and just
Speaker 2: you know, warm and welcoming and thank you. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't care what Keenny c has to say about you.
Speaker 1: You're Oh, I don't ever care what Kenny Ce has
Speaker 1: to say about me, right. You know what's funny is
Speaker 1: if we call him out on this podcast, he's going
Speaker 1: to excerpt it and post it to social media.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: No, Okay, So for those not familiar with Kenny C.
Speaker 1: Now we have to explain who this guy is, right
Speaker 1: justin Yeah, do your followers know who Kenny C is?
Speaker 2: I'd say a large percent of him do, but see,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there might be a few that don't.
Speaker 1: He's just so. I met Kenny C through Facebook several
Speaker 1: years ago. He was having heart issues and to collapse.
Speaker 1: I reached out and I said, brother, there might be
Speaker 1: some help for this. And I just I just felt
Speaker 1: led to try to cheer him up, be a support
Speaker 1: minister to him, let him know I loved him. And
Speaker 1: one thing leads to the next. I end up dropping
Speaker 1: him my cell number and we're having a conversation and
Speaker 1: he and I hit it off. Like you know, when
Speaker 1: you meet those people for the first time, you feel
Speaker 1: like you've been best friend for twenty years. It was
Speaker 1: one of those kindred connections that's instant. I often think
Speaker 1: of those as probably the Holy Spirit, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're in the company of people that have the same spirit.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? So we we pick on Kenny
Speaker 1: and he picks on me. And actually, there's a video
Speaker 1: out there. I don't know if you want to link
Speaker 1: it in your episode, but it's from the go there
Speaker 1: for conference where we're doing this ruse, you know, where
Speaker 1: I'm on his beef table shirt, I'm lifting products from
Speaker 1: his from his booth, you know. And I did that,
Speaker 1: and I said, I wonder if Mike's going to see
Speaker 1: this and think, what kind of a bunch of clowns
Speaker 1: have I invited to this conference?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: But Kenny c affectionately refers to me as Joey Showbiz. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds juvenile and kind of infantile, but it's Kenny.
Speaker 1: So what are you going to say? Right? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's a good brother. He's a and he ministers to
Speaker 1: a lot. He's got children that he teaches music to,
Speaker 1: and he's an encourager and he reaches out to people.
Speaker 1: So when all the laughter is set aside, he's a
Speaker 1: genuine brother.
Speaker 2: So well, I know you had mentioned Whispered Ponies Ranch,
Speaker 2: could you go into that a little bit for those
Speaker 2: that are unfamiliar what that ministry is and if they
Speaker 2: feel led. How can they support that and help you
Speaker 2: with that ministry?
Speaker 1: Sure, you can go to skywatchtv dot com and you'll
Speaker 1: find buttons at the top of the page that you
Speaker 1: can click on that will take you to places that
Speaker 1: will now inform you via photograph and article what exactly
Speaker 1: Whispering Ponies Ranch is. But for the listeners, Whispering Ponies
Speaker 1: Ranch is basically the culmination of a response from the
Speaker 1: people at SkyWatch TV, primarily my parents, who also founded
Speaker 1: that ministry. My mom was the original visionary for that ministry.
Speaker 1: What it does is it exists to serve children that
Speaker 1: are wards of the state. These kids are in foster care,
Speaker 1: and some of them have now come out of foster care,
Speaker 1: but they've been abused in the most horrific ways you
Speaker 1: can imagine. Many of them have been rescued or salvaged
Speaker 1: out of sex trafficking, but have emotional trauma that normal
Speaker 1: unabused people in society just working there nine to five
Speaker 1: will never ever comprehend. And I'm thankful for that, because
Speaker 1: it's a really dark place to get stuck. The constant
Speaker 1: need to comprehend these terrible matters of crisis. If you're
Speaker 1: a child advocate, if you're a social worker, if you're
Speaker 1: someone who serves these children, there's kind of no escape
Speaker 1: from that perpetual bombardment of the recognition of spiritual darkness.
Speaker 1: In other words, you're going to constantly learn about terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible things. The contrast is that you're also going to
Speaker 1: see God show up for these kids and really work
Speaker 1: on hearts to do things that psychologists programs and therapists
Speaker 1: and highly specialized rehabilitation training programs and seminars just simply
Speaker 1: can't touch. And I'm not saying that to diminish the
Speaker 1: efforts of a secular society who also simply has a
Speaker 1: heart to do something for these children. Those efforts can
Speaker 1: be very valuable. But there's something next level about the
Speaker 1: intervention of the Holy Spirit that's very difficult to articulate.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not even in exchange of words. When we're
Speaker 1: serving these children at Whispering Ponies Ranch. So I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if I made it clear what Whispering Ponies Ranch is,
Speaker 1: But it's a therapeutic campground that my parents built and
Speaker 1: founded where these children come for reprieve. So they're put
Speaker 1: through rehabilitation, they're put through animal intervention, my oldest daughter,
Speaker 1: Kate is the animal special the animal and counter specialist
Speaker 1: at Whispering Ponies Ranch, and she raises the zeeboo and
Speaker 1: the lamas and they have goats now, lots of animals
Speaker 1: that you'd think of as being at a petting zoo.
Speaker 1: And then they also have over two dozen mini ature ponies.
Speaker 1: And these ponies have been trained. Some of them can
Speaker 1: do hospice work. They go into hospitals and visit people.
Speaker 1: Some of them have been trained to get on elevators,
Speaker 1: and they're potty trained and it's crazy, like what, But
Speaker 1: these animals have a very special connection with children, and
Speaker 1: a lot of these children when they come to Whispering
Speaker 1: Ponies Ranch the first day of camp, these kids, a
Speaker 1: lot of them have never been around the body of Christ.
Speaker 1: They've never been around people that only exist to help
Speaker 1: them and to love them and to tell them that
Speaker 1: they have great value and that there's hope in Jesus,
Speaker 1: and so they're very shut down. They will arrive that
Speaker 1: first Monday for what is going to be a week
Speaker 1: long camp of constant games and activities and.
Speaker 2: With predators, you know, people that take advantage of them
Speaker 2: and want to do something to them.
Speaker 3: So they got their guards up.
Speaker 1: You know that's right. And even words like love, you
Speaker 1: have to be really careful. All of the children come
Speaker 1: with a profile. They have what I call a rap sheet.
Speaker 1: It'll say little Susie wets the bed, little Timmy has nightmares.
Speaker 1: If that happens, this is what you do. These are
Speaker 1: words that are big triggers. Don't use these words like.
Speaker 1: It's a highly developed program, very tailored to the individual
Speaker 1: needs of each child, to the best of human capacity.
Speaker 1: And these children will come in. Some of them are
Speaker 1: so severely shut down. They look this happened to me
Speaker 1: not six weeks ago. I am at a campground. There's
Speaker 1: a young man. He he is not mute. There's not
Speaker 1: a thing with his ears. He will not speak to
Speaker 1: you at all. And I and I ended up. Lord,
Speaker 1: I'm whispering under my breath. This poor boy, he he,
Speaker 1: he can't do this all week. I mean, we need
Speaker 1: we need basic communication. He's got to be able to
Speaker 1: give me a thumbs up or down on what activities
Speaker 1: he wants or doesn't want to be involved in, Like
Speaker 1: how how can I give him a lever of control
Speaker 1: over communication with me? But so that we can do
Speaker 1: this for a week. He was he would you would
Speaker 1: you would say something to him, and he just literally hmmm,
Speaker 1: just just angry and shut off. And I I I
Speaker 1: finally the Lord just kind of working on my heart,
Speaker 1: and I'm desperate and I'm whispering prayers like in proxy, Lord,
Speaker 1: what am I going to do? You gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: show me something. And I just out of the blue,
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, on a scale of one
Speaker 1: to ten, just put up your hands. One you're excited
Speaker 1: to be at camp this week. Ten you want to
Speaker 1: go home right away. And I could get him to
Speaker 1: do this. Sorry for your viewers that didn't catch that,
Speaker 1: I went like this, or he would give you a
Speaker 1: number on a sliding skills as long as you poisoned
Speaker 1: all the questions on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 1: he would give you a number. And towards the end
Speaker 1: of the week, he was now very chatty and he
Speaker 1: had come out of his shell. Now he unfortunately did
Speaker 1: not work with the animals of Whispering Ponies Ranch because
Speaker 1: we were displaced this year. But children like that come
Speaker 1: to Whispering Ponies Ranch, and what happens is when they
Speaker 1: won't speak to anyone, you can just take them to
Speaker 1: where we have our therapeutic animals and usually within an hour,
Speaker 1: just the presence of an animal that they know instinctively
Speaker 1: has no agenda to abuse them. They instinctively understand that
Speaker 1: animals don't hide or conceal malevolent plots or schemes. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? They can just feel a reciprocal love
Speaker 1: and affection happening very organically with a small goat that
Speaker 1: just wants to sniff your knee and lick your hand.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? And so they will start to
Speaker 1: ask the counselor's question, and I say counselors and parentheses,
Speaker 1: because we try not to be viewed as counselors. We
Speaker 1: try to be viewed as family members. So we will
Speaker 1: not put on our name tag counselor Joe. It'll be
Speaker 1: uncle Joe or Grandma Sarah or Uncle Dave or whatever, right,
Speaker 1: trying to reinforce that family is there to support. Family
Speaker 1: is a good thing. Family is important. And so they'll
Speaker 1: start asking questions, what does this what does this little
Speaker 1: goat like to eat? And now the counselor has an opening, Well,
Speaker 1: they like this, or the little horse likes a little
Speaker 1: bit of an apple, or maybe let's try a little
Speaker 1: grain or would you like to feed him? M hmm, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: put a little spot of grain or something on the
Speaker 1: hand and then that kind of tickles. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: does he want more? No, he's probably had enough for now,
Speaker 1: you know. And then you can talk about being full
Speaker 1: and it gives him the energy he needs. And what
Speaker 1: did you think of the camp food this week? Well?
Speaker 1: I kind of like you see what I'm doing?
Speaker 2: It breaks down.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's it.
Speaker 1: So people that don't understand the interaction of the animals
Speaker 1: or have never thought of it before, I can tell
Speaker 1: you it is miraculous what God can do through animals
Speaker 1: that don't speak English.
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Speaker 3: So let's try and learn as much as.
Speaker 6: We can and put on the armor, put on the armor.
Speaker 3: Of God.
Speaker 1: When children are shut down and they don't want to
Speaker 1: talk to a person that does.
Speaker 2: Well, even humans, you know, I tell people all the time,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I preach the Gospel wherever you go,
Speaker 2: and speak when necessary, you know. I mean, we're supposed
Speaker 2: to be imagers of God, you know, you should. Your
Speaker 2: witness should be your your kindness and your comp and
Speaker 2: your love toward your fellow man. Luckily, they just don't
Speaker 2: have a voice, so that yeah, yeah, we have one.
Speaker 2: And it's messed the stuff up a lot.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. That's for sure. Well that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of a just a bird's eye glimpse of what Whispering
Speaker 1: Pony's Ranch is. And that's something my family serves every year.
Speaker 1: Even though the camps were displaced this year, God opened
Speaker 1: up doors for the children to network with our ministry
Speaker 1: to find alternative locations for camp. And we actually went there,
Speaker 1: my daughters, my wife, some of my staff, and we
Speaker 1: volunteered sometimes for entire weeks without coming home, just to
Speaker 1: serve these kids. And I will tell you, man, it
Speaker 1: is when I said, you know a few minutes ago
Speaker 1: that I believe that God is, you know, bread crumbs
Speaker 1: following the little bread crumbs. He's not giving me the
Speaker 1: whole picture yet of what I'll be doing a year
Speaker 1: from now. And I don't say that to assert that
Speaker 1: I'll be gone from SkyWatch. I mean, what does that
Speaker 1: look like, Joe Hornet SkyWatch in a year from now.
Speaker 1: I think he's giving me some of those answers. And
Speaker 1: I know that I kind of touched on this earlier
Speaker 1: and I might have gone too long when I was
Speaker 1: talking about my father, but I was kind of trying
Speaker 1: to sort out for your viewers in a way that
Speaker 1: made sense some of the answers that I think God
Speaker 1: is beginning to reveal to me about what my purpose
Speaker 1: in all of this is is only possible because I'm
Speaker 1: not following this massive TITANUS administration that my father was
Speaker 1: so effective at constantly organizing ahead of you. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? So I would wish, if I could, I
Speaker 1: would wish that he would be back with us for
Speaker 1: any number of days, and I can guarantee you he
Speaker 1: would say, why did you bring me back? What am
Speaker 1: I doing stuck here? Because he's in a He's in
Speaker 1: a place you know now that there's there's no jealousy
Speaker 1: at all to come back here. But it sometimes lessens
Speaker 1: the pain of missing someone that you cherished so much,
Speaker 1: is to know that they're somewhere that eventually you'll get
Speaker 1: to see them again, and they're somewhere where they're not suffering.
Speaker 1: But there's only so much we are stuck here. We
Speaker 1: are human beings. I feel like a pinhead sometimes, but yes,
Speaker 1: I miss him terribly. Uh And so my logic says,
Speaker 1: you don't hurt for him. You know he's in a
Speaker 1: better situation. Someday you'll be with him again. Anyway, what
Speaker 1: are you sad about? He wins, God wins. You know
Speaker 1: you'll be with him. But in any case that that's
Speaker 1: kind of a snapshot. And we didn't even talk about.
Speaker 1: We have a at Whispering Pony's Ranch. We have a zipple,
Speaker 1: we have a rock wall, an outdoor playground, an indoor
Speaker 1: swimming pool. These kids come for what Wayne Tash, who
Speaker 1: is the founder of Royal Family Kids. That's the group
Speaker 1: that we primarily serve, and then a group called Teen Reach.
Speaker 1: Those are the two that we primarily serve During the
Speaker 1: months of summer. Wayne Tash founded royal family kids, and
Speaker 1: he describes Whispering Ponies Ranch as an oasis, basically a paradise.
Speaker 1: He calls it the theater of the outdoors where these
Speaker 1: kids come and they're hurting and they have their encounter
Speaker 1: with Jesus Christ. And so it is the thing that
Speaker 1: I am, in terms of ministry, the most excited about.
Speaker 1: And that's what I say, That's what I mean when
Speaker 1: I say, what will my involvement look like in a
Speaker 1: year from now? It's up to God. We have some
Speaker 1: very talented people. Derek Gilbert is a very talented host.
Speaker 1: And for example, if I need to step away from
Speaker 1: hosting the weekly program, Derek, he is a He's a
Speaker 1: champion and defender of that seat. He will do the
Speaker 1: ministry proud and honorable. I don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: him getting egg on our face. He's already told me
Speaker 1: he's very willing because he and Sharon Gilbert are major
Speaker 1: supporters of what happens at Whispering Ponies Ranch. Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? So I'm just saying, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: Have you move around to do slots.
Speaker 1: I do very but if I move them, I'd like
Speaker 1: to think of it more as God is rearranging things
Speaker 1: because ultimately, what I feel I need to do is
Speaker 1: fill the role that my father used to in terms
Speaker 1: of being the ambassador for the ministry. I feel like
Speaker 1: God doesn't want me to turtle up and become an
Speaker 1: island and only host the SkyWatch TV program. I think
Speaker 1: he wants me out there networking with like minded ministries
Speaker 1: who are children advocates or focused on, you know, the
Speaker 1: dilemmas that they're facing. I have dreams justin I've never
Speaker 1: been public about. I would share them with you, and
Speaker 1: this would be the first time ever they've ever been
Speaker 1: talked about publicly. If you want to go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I don't want to try you anything your country. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm here all day and I love the talk. I
Speaker 2: have a podcast. As long as you're willing to talk, man,
Speaker 2: I'll listen, and I'll even throw my two cents and
Speaker 2: everyone's okay.
Speaker 1: I have shared this with my chiefs of staff and
Speaker 1: my family knows this. I've not been public about it
Speaker 1: because again, I hate to put forth a vision while
Speaker 1: God is still working out the details. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is exactly the way this will come
Speaker 1: to pass. But if I'm just dreaming. What's in my heart.
Speaker 1: What I want to do is start a dog training business. No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding.
Speaker 2: You and Kenny c going to go on on the road.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not a band.
Speaker 2: No, if you guys haven't seen you need to check
Speaker 2: out Joe's social medias and stuff.
Speaker 3: Man, he can whale, he can whale.
Speaker 1: Oh are you talking about guitar now?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, well I said you and Kenny se gonna
Speaker 2: start a band hit the road.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Then I was complimenting your guitar skills.
Speaker 1: There is a guitar duel out there on social media
Speaker 1: between Kenny and I, and he and I have had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun picking at who really won that battle, right,
Speaker 1: It's probably on Kenny's Facebook if people want to see it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, sorry, this is me being totally undisciplined. Justin
Speaker 1: you've put me at ease. I don't feel pressured to
Speaker 1: keep a particular bullet point of talking points. We're just
Speaker 1: rapping now. But if I were dreaming and not trolling
Speaker 1: your audience with the dog training business, what I actually
Speaker 1: would love to see if your viewers remember, and I'll
Speaker 1: rattle off several because it's likely that your viewers would
Speaker 1: only maybe remember one of these references. But if you
Speaker 1: took Lamb Chops, Peewee's Playhouse, Salty, the Singing Songbook with
Speaker 1: Charity Church, Mouse, Captain Kangaroo, Mister Rogers, and I realized
Speaker 1: that not all of these are Christian shows. We're not
Speaker 1: going to talk about Paul Rubin, that this is not
Speaker 1: about the people running or I'm just taking big picture
Speaker 1: the Gospel Bill show that was a giant one about
Speaker 1: thirty five, almost forty years ago now. But these were
Speaker 1: programs that used real life people, not cgi, not cartoons,
Speaker 1: real life people to animate. You know. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get into examples like Barney Okay, because that's not it,
Speaker 1: but again, using real life costumes and characters. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if God will do this.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will be a priority. He
Speaker 1: may reveal in a year that we really need to
Speaker 1: triple down on only what we're focusing on at Whispering
Speaker 1: Ponies Ranch, because right now we're still without an insurance
Speaker 1: policy and there's a lot there that needs to be
Speaker 1: worked out. But if I'm just dreaming justin, I would
Speaker 1: love to live long enough. I would love for God
Speaker 1: to stave off judgment long enough. I would love to
Speaker 1: see that this country have like a spiritual renaissance and
Speaker 1: a turning back to God. Some of my Bible prophecy
Speaker 1: friends and experts disagree with an assertion that my father
Speaker 1: and I often talked about, and that is the possibility
Speaker 1: of great revival, even for a season, to salvage an
Speaker 1: entire generation before the final Trump. When you look at
Speaker 1: what's happening in Israel right now, that could happen at
Speaker 1: any hour at the time of this recording, I understand
Speaker 1: why it feels very bleak and like the world could
Speaker 1: change within a heartbeat, and it could so again. I'm dreaming,
Speaker 1: But were I to have a season, I would love
Speaker 1: to do two things. One I'd love to launch like
Speaker 1: a weekly children's program called Defender Kids, and it would
Speaker 1: be a subsidiary of Defender Publishing, maybe a wing of
Speaker 1: Defender Investigated Films. God has given my family everything that
Speaker 1: we need to be able to produce television. He has
Speaker 1: showed us the ins and outs. How do you get
Speaker 1: network time, how do you cut We've used a lot
Speaker 1: of that to create documentary films like The Forthcoming. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to silence my phone very quickly. Like the
Speaker 1: fourthcoming Rescue US series, which deals with what I talked
Speaker 1: about at the Go Therefore conference, this massive crisis affecting
Speaker 1: an entire generation of children right now that are being
Speaker 1: systematically dismantled, especially in Western civilization, in particular this country,
Speaker 1: the United States, by malevolent forces that delight in their suffering.
Speaker 1: And they're dismantling because I believe they are Christ's greatest
Speaker 1: gift to us. They are the innocent ones. There is close,
Speaker 1: I believe to Christ's nature before the world ruins them
Speaker 1: that we're ever going to see in this life. And
Speaker 1: I believe that the enemy takes great pleasure in seeing
Speaker 1: their lives destroyed before they even find out who they are.
Speaker 1: And that's essentially what the Rescue US documentary series that
Speaker 1: is coming here in about a month six weeks from
Speaker 1: now is all about. And it's everything from the normalization
Speaker 1: of critical race theory, the normalization of pedophiliaism in the classroom,
Speaker 1: it's the normalization of the use of pornography with children
Speaker 1: to open up dialogues between adult and child, to try
Speaker 1: to normalize what is essentially sexual abuse, to try to
Speaker 1: normalize that for lots and lots of reasons. We could
Speaker 1: talk for three hours about that. It's the trafficking end.
Speaker 1: It's how predators actually align themselves with systems like the
Speaker 1: foster care system because they know the blind spots in
Speaker 1: that system, and they know exactly how to exploit them,
Speaker 1: to create a never ending proverbial conveyor belt, a victim
Speaker 1: after victim after victim in their own home, knowing that
Speaker 1: the system is so busted that they will likely never
Speaker 1: face any kind of charges or jail time or reprimand
Speaker 1: at all. It's what that series is about. So in
Speaker 1: response to that, what we're doing at Whispering Pony's Ranch
Speaker 1: is a very personal intervention. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: replace that model. I don't want to move away from
Speaker 1: that model. I want to go five times that model
Speaker 1: and have other people join that model. But Lord, were
Speaker 1: you to give us the resources, would you to give
Speaker 1: us the capital, would you give us the time? Would
Speaker 1: love to do two things. First, launch a weekly program
Speaker 1: for children that goes back to real life characters playing
Speaker 1: out real life dilemmas and family issues. And you know,
Speaker 1: crux is over sharing and what language to use and
Speaker 1: what's appropriate, what's not appropriate. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and there's what there's reasons why.
Speaker 2: But before I get your reason back into a young generation.
Speaker 1: Values why, But there's reasons why I wouldn't say, Lord,
Speaker 1: give us the funding we want to launch a CGI cartoon,
Speaker 1: and as not to disparage the people that have but
Speaker 1: there are psychological studies and when you work with children,
Speaker 1: you really get this on an instinctive level, and you
Speaker 1: see the practical aftermath of a real life person a
Speaker 1: person intervention, not a book, not a comic book, not
Speaker 1: an anime, not a cartoon. You children children will watch
Speaker 1: to be entertained cartoons and CGI, but they will not
Speaker 1: be mentored by them. There's something about real life people
Speaker 1: that social connection. They they kind of attached to the
Speaker 1: idea of a fatherly or a familiar person in their life.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Grandma Blam, who is my mother and affectionately
Speaker 1: got nicknamed Grandma Blam by my children, and now that's
Speaker 1: what she uses at Whispering Pony's Ranch. Her name take
Speaker 1: Grandma Blam. She wants to be in this daydream that
Speaker 1: we're having that might be the Holy Spirit. She wants
Speaker 1: to be Grandma Blam in this endeavor and put on
Speaker 1: overalls and walk in on stage with a miniature pony
Speaker 1: and the kids are we want to create a weekly
Speaker 1: program like that. The second thing that I want to
Speaker 1: do that could be an out It could be a
Speaker 1: side effect, a side effect of this. It could be
Speaker 1: kind of an outbirth of that would be to take
Speaker 1: that brand. So let's say God blows it up and
Speaker 1: defend her kids is the greatest thing that's ever happened,
Speaker 1: and getting hundreds of thousands of people watching the videos
Speaker 1: and they're clamoring for the T shirts and they want more.
Speaker 1: I would love to then almost take it on the
Speaker 1: road and do a series of massive church events where
Speaker 1: we do like day events where uh, you know, you
Speaker 1: open up and it's this raucous celebration, somebody takes the
Speaker 1: stage and uh, you've got every I know. I know
Speaker 1: some very talented children entertainers who totally understand the psychology
Speaker 1: of taking kids that have ocd ADHD basically my childhood,
Speaker 1: and they are masters of keeping kids engaged in a
Speaker 1: series of object lessons or illusionist maneuvers. We don't use
Speaker 1: the word magic because now you start to get off
Speaker 1: into secularism, but illusion and then the big reveal musicians
Speaker 1: running out on stage and interrupting the last act, like
Speaker 1: a series of acts that kind of turn over and
Speaker 1: over and over. That amount to like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like a three hour and then or maybe two hour
Speaker 1: and then you go to lunch, you come back another
Speaker 1: two hours. But something that's like a day conference for kids.
Speaker 1: I would be willing to bet you if we started
Speaker 1: with churches that already have programs for children, they would
Speaker 1: be so receptive to that. And I'll bet you the
Speaker 1: first time we had an opportunity to put this on
Speaker 1: at full scale in a large church where we could
Speaker 1: get video on it, it became over. Thanks for playing,
Speaker 1: It's done, Lucifer loses. This movement is so big. I'm
Speaker 1: so organic. I feel like I feel like if the
Speaker 1: Lord gives me the time and the resources that I
Speaker 1: can peel away from some of what is in terms
Speaker 1: of responsibility, justin that something like that. So I've taken
Speaker 1: a risk today to share that because I can't be
Speaker 1: sure that's where we're going, but I'm just daydreaming and
Speaker 1: that's what's in my heart. It could it could look different,
Speaker 1: It could. It could. It could be that God manifests
Speaker 1: it differently. Than the way I'm picturing it. But but
Speaker 1: ultimately that's my heart as I am fed up completely
Speaker 1: justin fed completely up pretending like if the United States
Speaker 1: experience is a big red wave, that we've done our
Speaker 1: job as Christians to go pull a voting leader, a lever.
Speaker 1: I am fed up completely with the church that is
Speaker 1: completely asleep to this massive crisis that are not.
Speaker 3: To raise the kids and you know, just a well,
Speaker 3: who is it?
Speaker 2: Styalin said, we're one generation well from Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think several people have said that, several people in
Speaker 1: different ways. And he said, you're only ever one generation
Speaker 1: away from losing your freedom. And I got to tell you, man,
Speaker 1: there's part of me that sees like.
Speaker 2: A conservative Christianity. What is it that's in your faith?
Speaker 2: You know, Christianity as a whole. I mean they're you know,
Speaker 2: every Disney show you watch now, they throw in a
Speaker 2: cross dresser or a gay or lesbian kid, and they're
Speaker 2: they're desensitive and trying to adjust the moralities and stuff
Speaker 2: of our children while we're at work or whatever, and
Speaker 2: they're watching these shows. So, I mean, what you're talking
Speaker 2: about is definitely a need that needs to be feeled
Speaker 2: and assay is extremely important.
Speaker 1: What you're describing sounds very much like our Rescue US
Speaker 1: documentary series. We cover all of that, that the attempts
Speaker 1: to normalize gender transition while the parents are not even involved,
Speaker 1: like it is literally looney tunes. So on one hand,
Speaker 1: I see that there is an effort to kind of
Speaker 1: revitalize almost a renaissance of conservatism, But none of these platforms.
Speaker 1: I don't hear any of these politicians. I don't hear
Speaker 1: our church leaders. I don't hear anybody with major platforms.
Speaker 1: They're like Tim Tebow. I appreciate that he's out there
Speaker 1: raising awareness of the aspect of this that has to
Speaker 1: do with human tres. We need more people with large
Speaker 1: platforms to get very serious about this because, honestly, justin
Speaker 1: I feel this strong about it, and this may come
Speaker 1: off a little bit judgy and kind of well man,
Speaker 1: he's really on a soapbox. He's sits there on his
Speaker 1: high horse, like, who is he to tell me anything?
Speaker 1: What I am not suggesting is that everybody that holds
Speaker 1: a position of volunteer at a church, or the people
Speaker 1: that are washing the dishes or pastoring or serving the
Speaker 1: youth or you know, sweeping the floors or what. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're a school teacher or whatever. I am not suggesting
Speaker 1: that there isn't fabulous value in what you're doing and
Speaker 1: that you're and that you're not exactly where God has
Speaker 1: placed you. That's not what I'm getting at. What I
Speaker 1: am getting at is I feel like the church is
Speaker 1: largely unaware of how bad this crisis is. The number
Speaker 1: of children that come up missing from the foster care
Speaker 1: system with no chain of custody. I think people would
Speaker 1: be absolutely blown away to learn about how many children
Speaker 1: are abducted or even forced into prostitution by their parents.
Speaker 1: What forced into prostitution by their parents. Maybe they're looking
Speaker 1: to curate a bad deal they've made on something they
Speaker 1: can't afford to square with really bad people. They don't
Speaker 1: care about their children. They've been abusing them themselves. Why
Speaker 1: not loan little Timmy out for the weekend. This stuff
Speaker 1: is happening in this country at a scale that is
Speaker 1: just mind shattering. Ninety percent of the kids of the
Speaker 1: boys that survive the foster care system will immediately fall
Speaker 1: into places like prison or jail. They have no life
Speaker 1: skills whatsoever. They'll be incarcerated next to instantly they'll carry
Speaker 1: a stigma for life that there are no value, or
Speaker 1: they come from bad stock. These are I heard about
Speaker 1: little Timmy. I don't want to give him a shot.
Speaker 1: He comes from that bad family. Nobody will employ these people.
Speaker 1: They've they've never been prepared to do life or to
Speaker 1: have social skills at all. The girls, twenty percent of
Speaker 1: the girls will fall statistically almost guaranteed into a category
Speaker 1: of young mothers who will have children out of wedlock
Speaker 1: that are statistically guaranteed to end up in the foster
Speaker 1: care system themselves. So you have this perpetual and I
Speaker 1: think to myself, if just five percent of the entertainment
Speaker 1: based church that has wherewithal that God has blessed, even
Speaker 1: some of the ones that focus on superficial things that
Speaker 1: might annoy some of the SkyWatch audience because their theology
Speaker 1: is flimsy or whatever, I would take them too. Get
Speaker 1: up on your podium and at least make this a
Speaker 1: monthly or a bi weekly matter of prayer to intervene
Speaker 1: for the children and for the activists, excuse me, the
Speaker 1: advocates that are supporting these children, and whatever that looks like.
Speaker 1: Law enforcement. We have some good people in law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Trying to do what they can to profile while what
Speaker 1: appears to be a young girl being seduced from let's
Speaker 1: say somebody via social media at school because she's coming
Speaker 1: home with pedicures and manicures and hairdos that are very expensive,
Speaker 1: and the parents don't know how this is happening. We
Speaker 1: have foster care parents that are a part of the solution,
Speaker 1: that have taken on what is a devastating responsibility at
Speaker 1: times of bringing very difficult kids into their homes because
Speaker 1: they want to create a refuge and a place for
Speaker 1: these children to come and exist away from the abuse,
Speaker 1: and a place where they can teach them about God.
Speaker 1: That man, I'm telling you, some of these families, you
Speaker 1: just don't know. You don't know how much sacrifice it
Speaker 1: has taken. O It is eclipsed anything that ever ever
Speaker 1: ever looked like what they probably would have signed up
Speaker 1: for in life. And they do it because they just
Speaker 1: can't stand thinking that they would turn one of these
Speaker 1: children away. And so I'm just while there's this move
Speaker 1: towards conservatism from a growing number of people that would
Speaker 1: probable tell you they're patriots, I also see this giant
Speaker 1: elephant in the room issue being ignored by much of
Speaker 1: those same people. And for sure the church, if just
Speaker 1: five percent of the entertainment based church that's got lots
Speaker 1: of money and big projectors and fog machines and rock
Speaker 1: concert worship shows, if they would just make this a
Speaker 1: matter of something they stump on from the podium, I
Speaker 1: think it could be world changing. Because here's what else.
Speaker 1: I believe most of the people that attend these churches
Speaker 1: are looking to the pastors for leadership justin I think
Speaker 1: most of them are good people. And again, you know,
Speaker 1: you may have differences in theology or think of them
Speaker 1: as I don't even want to say mean things, just
Speaker 1: I know what gets said about people that go to
Speaker 1: the entertainment based church. People will label them as sheep.
Speaker 1: I think I'm guilty on SkyWatch of referring to groups
Speaker 1: of people that don't think for themselves as sheep. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that's helpful. Sometimes I say things
Speaker 1: because I'm super passionate and I'm ramped up, and I'm
Speaker 1: not excusing myself. I'm just saying, if you go back
Speaker 1: and you start scrubbing me for every SoundBite ever, you're
Speaker 1: probably going to find some sound bites that disagree with
Speaker 1: now what I'm saying in terms of making sure that
Speaker 1: we don't say things that come off as judgmental. But
Speaker 1: there's got to be a line for crying out loud, man,
Speaker 1: There's got to be a line. I would love to
Speaker 1: see the people that attend those those churches do something,
Speaker 1: and I think that they would if they were being
Speaker 1: told by their leaders. Hey, this is a dilemma. Did
Speaker 1: you know this is happening in the United States. You'd
Speaker 1: have families that have you, they would sponsor children, they
Speaker 1: might open their own homes. Like, I'll take it. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be a deep end of the pool
Speaker 1: Book of Revelation Mike Heiser level intellect that watches SkyWatch
Speaker 1: TV every week to do something good for these kids. Amen,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. People on a pension and
Speaker 1: have no money whatsoever that are desperate under the Biden
Speaker 1: economy just to buy bread. I'm not telling you that
Speaker 1: you have to give all of what you would have
Speaker 1: bought bread with to a donation at a place like
Speaker 1: SkyWatch TV. I'm saying you can make this a matter
Speaker 1: of prayer. Man. Some of the most powerful prayers that
Speaker 1: I've ever felt in my life came from a woman
Speaker 1: named Henrietta that was my mom's best friend. She was
Speaker 1: her senior best friend almost twenty five years ago. And
Speaker 1: this woman, when she learned that I was not going
Speaker 1: to be able to have children, which is a whole
Speaker 1: other show, but me having some medical difficulties meant that
Speaker 1: I would likely never have children. Put it before the
Speaker 1: Lord and my wife and I started cranking out babies
Speaker 1: like for years nothing. I'm telling you, man, some of
Speaker 1: the most powerful voices justin some of the most powerful
Speaker 1: intervention prayers that take place, I'm convinced are from the
Speaker 1: from the from the orphans and the widows and our
Speaker 1: senior citizens that most of the church and society has
Speaker 1: thought of as boring or not interesting or forgotten. Forgotten.
Speaker 1: They have no use. And God is up there waiting
Speaker 1: for those prayers because they on leege heaven. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, they move things. So anyway, I've gotten on
Speaker 1: a bit of a stump there. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: what we were talking about.
Speaker 3: But no, you're good.
Speaker 1: I'm just vomiting my heart, ma'am.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, I appreciate it, which I don't want to
Speaker 2: take all you time, Joe. I know you a busy,
Speaker 2: busy guy. But if you don't mind h before I
Speaker 2: let you go. You know, your father, like you said,
Speaker 2: you know, he he did.
Speaker 3: He cast a big shadow. You know. He was somebody
Speaker 3: a lot of us looked up to and thank you.
Speaker 2: Uh just cut our teeth, read his stuff and look
Speaker 2: forward to you know, we brought him in our homes.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: He was in our living room, sitting with us, and
Speaker 2: we were eager to hear, you know, from.
Speaker 3: From Uncle Tom what he had to say. You know, and.
Speaker 2: For all of us you know that didn't have a
Speaker 2: chance to actually know him, you know, would you care?
Speaker 2: And if you don't, if you don't, I completely understand.
Speaker 2: But give us a feel of Tom the man. You know,
Speaker 2: what was he like as a father, as a leader
Speaker 2: of the company, and you old kind of what was
Speaker 2: his How did his mind work?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Was he an encourager? Was he a drill sergeant? Was
Speaker 2: he the old sage had always the words of wisdom?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Kind of give us a feel for Tom. If you
Speaker 3: don't care, I will No.
Speaker 1: I'm delighted to answer the question. It's an opportunity for
Speaker 1: me to share what kind of a man he was
Speaker 1: and most of the interviews that I do is focused
Speaker 1: on his professional ministerial career. I don't know that anybody's
Speaker 1: ever asked me during a sh oh, you know, what
Speaker 1: kind of a dad was he? Like? But you know,
Speaker 1: where do you start? I would say that that some
Speaker 1: of my fondest memories will answer that question for you.
Speaker 1: What kind of a father was he? So, first of all,
Speaker 1: my dad had a few things that were not flexible
Speaker 1: at all. One of them was probably the most important thing.
Speaker 1: He would say, Joe, there's only two things in this
Speaker 1: life that matter at all. And he would do this,
Speaker 1: and he would put up his hand. He would say,
Speaker 1: God and family, and everything else is a waste of time.
Speaker 1: And by that he didn't mean that neighbors were a
Speaker 1: waste of time or that friends were a waste of time.
Speaker 1: He just meant that those would fall under the leading
Speaker 1: of God if you put him first, the relationships you're
Speaker 1: supposed to make, the people you're supposed to help, the
Speaker 1: path that you're going to take in life. It had
Speaker 1: a big umbrella. So I don't mean to dilude what
Speaker 1: he was asserting there. If you knew him, you knew that.
Speaker 1: But God and family, and then he would say in
Speaker 1: that order, in other words, family is very important, even
Speaker 1: your wife. But if God's not number one, the rest
Speaker 1: of this willy road. And then he would say that
Speaker 1: selfishness is at the heart of the beginning of the
Speaker 1: end of every relationship that has forged, every business deal
Speaker 1: that has agreed upon, everything that you do in life,
Speaker 1: if selfishness on one or both of the parties prevails,
Speaker 1: it will not sustain. Whether that be marriage or a pastorship,
Speaker 1: or a commitment to a community, or you're responding to
Speaker 1: a call that God has put on your heart, selfishness
Speaker 1: will always be the beginning of the end of whatever
Speaker 1: that was supposed to become. There were these lesson like
Speaker 1: he spent time man raising us kids. I think that
Speaker 1: your viewers probably would have inferred, just by what I've
Speaker 1: said already, that that's exactly the kind of man that
Speaker 1: he was. So let me tell you a couple of
Speaker 1: the fun things. He was not flexible about date night
Speaker 1: with my mom. And he was not flexible about what
Speaker 1: he called a happy day with Dad or father son
Speaker 1: day or Daddy daughter day. So so date night with
Speaker 1: my mom was not flexible at all. Justin in my
Speaker 1: entire childhood from the from the earliest memories of even
Speaker 1: knowing what a date was till the day that he
Speaker 1: died my dad on Friday. With the exception of man
Speaker 1: probably less less than I could count on one hand
Speaker 1: five times did he allow and then he would do
Speaker 1: a makeup date. Would he allow anything in the world
Speaker 1: to disrupt date night. He was so committed to my mom,
Speaker 1: and he believed that part of what kept romance alive,
Speaker 1: part of what kept the adventure living and not becoming stagnant,
Speaker 1: wasn't just partnering with with each other to raise children
Speaker 1: and have careers. It was to constantly invest time to
Speaker 1: the adventure with your spouse. He always believed that it
Speaker 1: would dry up and become like a boring prison sentence
Speaker 1: for and he watched this for thirty years as a
Speaker 1: family counselor. He knew what he was talking about, so
Speaker 1: he would, regardless of what was going on in life,
Speaker 1: he would take my mom on a date day and
Speaker 1: he and you know, as I was sixteen, I remember
Speaker 1: one time we had a bonfire in the backyard. It
Speaker 1: was actually a we had finished flipping a house and
Speaker 1: we had a bunch of lumber and stuff that just
Speaker 1: needed to be burned. And we set out until midnight
Speaker 1: one night, and I think I was drinking a two
Speaker 1: liter of mountain dew, like just for hours, burned this
Speaker 1: thing and sat and visited and ate pretzels and having
Speaker 1: guy time. And I recall him saying, you know, Joe,
Speaker 1: sometimes one day, when you get married, there will be
Speaker 1: times where you're going to be with your spouse and
Speaker 1: you're not going to know what to talk about. You're
Speaker 1: going to find yourself at a place where you feel like,
Speaker 1: I know everything about this person, how can we have
Speaker 1: another conversation about the same material. And He's like, as
Speaker 1: long as you keep digging and insist that you're going
Speaker 1: to talk, God will keep the adventure going. There you
Speaker 1: will discuss. I had no idea that you were thinking
Speaker 1: about joining that board or doing a book or you
Speaker 1: know whatever. So he was a father that would sit down.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: If you know, there was a few times in my
Speaker 1: life where I pushed him to the point where he
Speaker 1: had to paddle me. And when that happened, there was
Speaker 1: always fifteen minutes or something after that there was a
Speaker 1: sit down, and it was first of all, more than warranted,
Speaker 1: completely deserved, but it would be a debrief. Yeah, son,
Speaker 1: it hurts.
Speaker 2: You realize why I did this exactly.
Speaker 1: You won't know until you're a father how much this hurts.
Speaker 1: But you have to understand that if I don't teach
Speaker 1: you while I have these windows during your formative years,
Speaker 1: how to become a man, and how to think for yourself,
Speaker 1: and how to challenge the status quo, and all the
Speaker 1: things that were life lessons. He would frame for me
Speaker 1: what the dilemma was, exactly why I was being grounded next,
Speaker 1: or how I was going to treat my mom. You know,
Speaker 1: I went through some very rowdy periods of time where
Speaker 1: I concealed from my dad how absolutely unruly I was
Speaker 1: being at school and with my mom. And I've always
Speaker 1: said I was that kid that is living proof that
Speaker 1: you can have great parents, do all of the right
Speaker 1: things and still have a child that just chooses. Man,
Speaker 1: they're determined, they're not going to turn out right, or
Speaker 1: they're focused so much on selfishness of the things they're
Speaker 1: going to do, defiance, outrage, whatever. I had all of
Speaker 1: the things, man adhd ocd all the thing. Doctors wanted
Speaker 1: me on medications, they wanted my mom to miticate me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you I was obnoxious. Kenny c
Speaker 1: ses a little bit of that, and I'm still that guy,
Speaker 1: but I've learned over years and years and years that
Speaker 1: is not always appropriate to just be obnoxious. You got
Speaker 1: to know your audience. But when he wasn't dating my mom,
Speaker 1: about every eight weeks, you could almost count it down
Speaker 1: on the calendar, but about six times a year per child,
Speaker 1: so aout once a month he's rotating this, or every
Speaker 1: he's five, six weeks he's rotating this. As I have
Speaker 1: two siblings that I shared him with. But about every
Speaker 1: six weeks, Man, eight weeks, you would go on father Sunday,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, man, it would usually consist of
Speaker 1: my choice of Chuck E Cheese esque type venue. It
Speaker 1: would often include a trip to Toys r US where
Speaker 1: he would let me pick out whatever the latest w
Speaker 1: WF action figure that had just come out, my choice
Speaker 1: of figurine. And then usually that evening it's like a
Speaker 1: mega movie with all the trip, you know, the chips
Speaker 1: and the popcorn, whatever I want, take me to the
Speaker 1: grocery store, let me just point at things, and you
Speaker 1: you were going to have the greatest.
Speaker 2: Day ever, And just to interrupt you really quick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: who's your favorite wrestler? Oh you Hoe Cogan, Macho man,
Speaker 2: Rick Flair?
Speaker 3: Who was you?
Speaker 1: Okay, so now you've started a brand new podcast that
Speaker 1: could go for two hours. Okay, so I know what
Speaker 1: you mean when you say okay, I is oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 3: Check this out.
Speaker 1: Now, let's do let's do a little something.
Speaker 2: This is the JBL number or jli in number five.
Speaker 2: It's one of the top five rarest action figures and
Speaker 2: its signed yep.
Speaker 3: I love that thing.
Speaker 1: Hang on before you put it away, Before you put
Speaker 1: it away, let me guess, because that's the white shirt LJN.
Speaker 1: That was the redo, the original one. He's like this,
Speaker 1: he's got both of his hands on. That was the
Speaker 1: one they sold. You know, hundreds of thousands of this
Speaker 1: one came out later a great position you could use it.
Speaker 1: You were always looking for figures that had a good
Speaker 1: action post nineteen. I want to guess because I want
Speaker 1: to see if I'm right, nineteen eighty six, it should
Speaker 1: say it should say lj in nineteen eighty six manufactured
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. If it's not any shorts, it'll be
Speaker 1: on the bottom of his boot.
Speaker 3: Eighty I think it's eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, okay, our stuff.
Speaker 1: I was close. I was close. No, If I had
Speaker 1: to pick a wrestler that was my you know, my
Speaker 1: childhood favorite, I would have to go with Hulkgan because
Speaker 1: as a child he was larger than life. And wrapping
Speaker 1: this back into father Sunday on several occasions because my
Speaker 1: dad ended up in District Ushin and we had various
Speaker 1: retail businesses and stuff. He had accounts with places like
Speaker 1: Baker and Taylor, and he would get these pro bono
Speaker 1: tickets to go see wrestling at the Portland Memorial Coliseum
Speaker 1: in Oregon. And I remember man being nine years old
Speaker 1: and my dad takes me to like Sears and they
Speaker 1: have this whole display of t shirts with Hull Cogan
Speaker 1: and Andre the Giant, and he let me pick one
Speaker 1: out and that was the shirt that I wore. And
Speaker 1: I want to say it was in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1: We watched Hull Cogan versus King Kong Bundy live at
Speaker 1: the Portland Memorial Coliseum and I think on the card
Speaker 1: also Tito Santana fought Adrian Adonis, Big John stud wrestled
Speaker 1: Corporal Kirshner. I believe, but yeah, it was back in
Speaker 1: the heyday, man, And I will tell you something funny.
Speaker 1: So my dad never got it at all. He would
Speaker 1: affectionately say, I think watching wrestling makes me dumber, referring
Speaker 1: to himself. He would try to watch these wrestling things.
Speaker 1: It was out for you, it was for me, man.
Speaker 1: And when I got a little older, like thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: he finally confessed. He said, Man, I watch this stuff
Speaker 1: for you, but I think it makes me dumber. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know what your deal is.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He just thought it's stupid, it's phony, how any human
Speaker 1: being would purposefully sit down and watch it. And he
Speaker 1: was a boxing fan. He loved to watch, you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield and Riddick Bow and all
Speaker 1: that whole rivalry. But no, man, he was an awesome dad.
Speaker 1: He was a tender dad. He was not a drill sergeant.
Speaker 1: So he comes off very stoic and very serious on TV.
Speaker 1: What he did was he unlocked leading through a strength
Speaker 1: that would make people want to follow the vision. And
Speaker 1: then he would hire people that he could trust to
Speaker 1: do that portion of the vision so that he didn't
Speaker 1: have to micromanage them. Does that make sense. It was
Speaker 1: a If I get four percent of his ability to
Speaker 1: do that, I'll be grateful. He was a master at
Speaker 1: getting people to follow the vision.
Speaker 2: So that's awesome. Joe, thank you, ma'am for all your time.
Speaker 2: I'm so appreciative, and I know that the guys that
Speaker 2: are watching and listening are definitely appreciative that you let
Speaker 2: us in and give us some behind the scenes just
Speaker 2: anything you want to connect people to or direct their
Speaker 2: attention to, like any kind of new stuff coming up websites.
Speaker 2: This is your time to let people know sure to
Speaker 2: find your stuff.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of dot coms, but the one that
Speaker 1: I would just send everybody to is kind of a
Speaker 1: universal catch all would be skywatchtv dot com. If you're
Speaker 1: interested in learning more about the Rescue US series that
Speaker 1: I've mentioned several times, you'll learn about it via skywatchtv
Speaker 1: dot com. We'll be running programs there. You can also
Speaker 1: learn about Eden's Essentials. That's a company of mine that
Speaker 1: focuses on holistic health and that also is on the
Speaker 1: SkyWatch TV app along with The Donna Howell Show, the
Speaker 1: flagship SkyWatch TV program. So yes, we do have a
Speaker 1: mobile app. You can download it free right now and
Speaker 1: have access at your fingertips to all of the programs
Speaker 1: that I'm talking about from SkyWatch TV to Return to Eden.
Speaker 1: You want to learn more about Whispering Ponies Ranch the same,
Speaker 1: go to skywatchtv dot com. You can learn about how
Speaker 1: you can be a counselor for these children, if you
Speaker 1: want to cook in the kitchen, to be involved with
Speaker 1: the food service part of what they do. Every year,
Speaker 1: they will take volunteers of all age, of all background
Speaker 1: well I shouldn't say of all backgrounds, I mean in
Speaker 1: terms of talent and skill. Obviously you have to pass
Speaker 1: a background check to make sure that you're not a
Speaker 1: problematic pedophile or something that effect. But people with backgrounds
Speaker 1: and all types of giftings. We have volunteers that do
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar playing for the worship and young junior counselors
Speaker 1: that are just there to serve in the food line,
Speaker 1: and they would want to go to skywatchtv dot com
Speaker 1: and or for that Royalfamilykids dot com or for the
Speaker 1: Children dot org or Teenreach dot org.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much once again, appreciate your timing. Guys,
Speaker 2: definitely check out their stuff if you haven't already, you
Speaker 2: will be amazed. They have enough content to keep you
Speaker 2: glued to your couch for the next ten years, and
Speaker 2: it's all great stuff. So but once again, guys, thank
Speaker 2: you for tuning in. Appreciate it. Until next time, Torch
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