Speaker 1: It is that time again, two time without Torner West
Speaker 1: I mean a Turner. We count it all joy for
Speaker 1: us to be together with you on this day. Although
Speaker 1: so much is happening in our nation and in the world,
Speaker 1: we want to keep you focused on truth time, understanding
Speaker 1: the situation as it is, and the situation as it
Speaker 1: can be, fighting with love, with hope, and with joy.
Speaker 1: And speaking of fighting, doctor Wes, here we go. You know,
Speaker 1: Trump left the G seven some early, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of saying some things are in store. We're hearing rumblings
Speaker 1: that he may decide to send the troops into war
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. Now, those of us who understand
Speaker 1: the Constitution understand that the President of the United States
Speaker 1: of America does not have the authority to send our
Speaker 1: troops into war without the consent of the Congress. And
Speaker 1: there are several Congress members making that known loudly and
Speaker 1: clearly in both chambers, both the Senate and the House,
Speaker 1: and I hope to God they continue to press on.
Speaker 1: It just really boggles my mind, Doc, how people can
Speaker 1: just cavalierly send other folks, loved ones to war without
Speaker 1: even giving it a second thought. And it's not even
Speaker 1: our war. Calling on Black Jesus with the sandals on.
Speaker 1: That's the one I'm calling on. What is on your heart,
Speaker 1: your soul, and your mind on this day?
Speaker 2: Well, I begin with joy, I begin with counting my blessings,
Speaker 2: a sense of gratitude that helps me with my attitude.
Speaker 2: So I confine to an altitude of swinging for love,
Speaker 2: justice and peace. But peace with justice. We don't want
Speaker 2: to know peace with just un injustice and disorder. But
Speaker 2: I do want to salute La Progressive. You may have
Speaker 2: seen that wonderful peace saluting brother Tabs, and it showed
Speaker 2: my sister staring gile Yes. Powerful Peace is a beautiful piece.
Speaker 2: It is a truthful piece, and there's a wonderful line
Speaker 2: in that piece what she says that brother Tavis, somehow,
Speaker 2: vision and courage has managed to create a context in
Speaker 2: which Black truth is centered and respected and engaged. And
Speaker 2: that's very important because at a moment in which THEI
Speaker 2: is being trashed, at a moment which they're trying to
Speaker 2: erase eliminate Black history, they're trying to degrade Black people,
Speaker 2: and of course his tenth anniversary where they're killing and
Speaker 2: murdering precious black people. In the manual, Ami church there
Speaker 2: South Carolina, that brother Tabs is still at it, and
Speaker 2: of course Tavish does it collectively, all the wonderful voices
Speaker 2: and all the wonderful staff there k e La fifteen
Speaker 2: eighty right there at the Murty Park on the Chocolate
Speaker 2: side of Chocolate Center, say of loss at and and
Speaker 2: of course both of us are so blessed to be
Speaker 2: able to work with him. And of course I'm deeply
Speaker 2: blessed to work with you. He lend you that. I'm
Speaker 2: telling the world that I was just talking to my
Speaker 2: beloved wife Ana heat the Saint Lord have mercy to
Speaker 2: be able to spend these days with my dear sister
Speaker 2: Nina is a It's a beautiful thing and it just
Speaker 2: boys us up. We're willing to speak the truth about
Speaker 2: the genocide God, speak the truth about master incarceration at home,
Speaker 2: speak the truth about what's going on in the rock
Speaker 2: under the Moolers and the Woman Life Freedom movement, but
Speaker 2: also recognizing that the war that has been initiated by
Speaker 2: Israel is a violation of their sovereignty, but it goes
Speaker 2: hand in hand with the violation the sovereignties of Syria
Speaker 2: of Lebanon that we've seen over and over again in
Speaker 2: terms of the Israeli incursions violations international law. But it
Speaker 2: seems as if when it comes to the United States,
Speaker 2: when it comes to Israel, international law, don't not that
Speaker 2: human rights doesn't mean anything at all. Kill as many
Speaker 2: Palestinians as you want in terms of innocence civilians. Come
Speaker 2: up with your rationalization and keep doing and it's just wrong,
Speaker 2: and it would be wrong, of course if we were
Speaker 2: done against Jews. Is wrong when it's Palestinians, is wrong
Speaker 2: when it's done against in the body sou these congoleates,
Speaker 2: whatever whoever it is. And that's what it means, I
Speaker 2: think to engage Black truth. And we just think rather
Speaker 2: tablets for having the courage and vision of facilitating these
Speaker 2: kinds of conversations so freely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amen to all of that. Doctor. You know in
Speaker 1: the Black church. When the preacher has preached the church
Speaker 1: says a man, a man the four year anniversary? Who
Speaker 1: is happening is this this week? Hello? And I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna be there, Jesse Jackson Junior, have been jealous.
Speaker 1: I mean, so many people are going to be there
Speaker 1: this week to celebrate and uplift the four year anniversary
Speaker 1: or KBLA talk fifteen eighty can I believe four years
Speaker 1: old already and thanks to the vision of brother Tavis
Speaker 1: Smiley and all who work with him and for him.
Speaker 1: It takes teamwork to make anybody's dream work, and Tavis
Speaker 1: Smiley has a team. And the uplift of black people
Speaker 1: as you laid out, Doc, and the uplift of humanity
Speaker 1: in general. It is truly a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: It really is. It really is the main ful we
Speaker 2: the Tavis and the others have such a profound love
Speaker 2: for Black people that spills over to love for everybody
Speaker 2: and manifest in allowing all is to be lifted, allowing yeah,
Speaker 2: roast the.
Speaker 3: Board on it, but it's zero humanity, the activity and
Speaker 3: the dignity of black that's a the badly needed thing
Speaker 3: at a moment where the attacks and assaults on black people.
Speaker 2: And brown immigrants and Palestine rounds and others are intensifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we needed it. Starts with I mean, I firmly
Speaker 1: believe that the liberation of all marginalized and working class
Speaker 1: people from all background starts with the absolute liberation of
Speaker 1: Black people right here in America. And there, I say,
Speaker 1: the diasporas you have been naming out some of the
Speaker 1: suffering that's going on in diaspora. Doc, you and I
Speaker 1: talked countless times about what the Scramble for Africa did generationally,
Speaker 1: the ripple effects of white supremacy across the world, and
Speaker 1: how when black folks are liberated, everybody else is liberating.
Speaker 1: That liberation is coming. They're listening to Truth Time with
Speaker 1: doctor Cornell West and Nina Turner. When we come forward,
Speaker 1: we will continue this conversation right now we are together.
Speaker 1: So that is storming in Cleveland, Ohio right now on
Speaker 1: our viewers, our listeners to know that just in case
Speaker 1: that we abruptly get disconnected for some reason, and me
Speaker 1: is thundering, lightning touring down Rain. I just feel like
Speaker 1: Mother Nature is saying, yeah, some some ain't right, you know,
Speaker 1: with all the thunder and the lightning. But here we are.
Speaker 1: So that Donald J. Trump, President Trump exits the G
Speaker 1: seven summit a day early. You have a French president
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Macrome claiming that the US that that President Trump
Speaker 1: is considering the prospect of a ceasefire between Israel and Iran,
Speaker 1: that indeed would be a beautiful thing. Let us not forget.
Speaker 1: President Trump ran on being anti war. LA's number one.
Speaker 1: Number two. He does not again have the constitutional right
Speaker 1: to send our troops into war without the consent of
Speaker 1: the United States Congress. So Macrone is describing the interchange
Speaker 1: as something that's positive. I hope, I hope, I hope
Speaker 1: that that is absolutely true.
Speaker 2: War.
Speaker 1: We can't war our way to peace. Doc. This is imminent.
Speaker 1: This is something that everybody is going to have to
Speaker 1: be concerned about, whether it's directly or indirectly impacting you.
Speaker 1: War will have an impact on the United States America.
Speaker 1: Even if we you know, even if the Congress does
Speaker 1: not authorize sending troops in it's still going to impact
Speaker 1: the United States of America and other countries as well.
Speaker 1: It's ever going to be just this isolated thing, whereas
Speaker 1: only the two parties Iran and Israel, and so people
Speaker 1: got a ready in their minds that we remember Iraq, Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: You know, all of these things are very fresh because
Speaker 1: they're very young. They almost just happened when you think
Speaker 1: about the continuum of history, and I just don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, just having so many leaders that are very
Speaker 1: cavalier about it. We had mentioned even yesterday that these
Speaker 1: who called Republicans who believe in America first, where they at,
Speaker 1: where they at. I want to hear from them, American
Speaker 1: First Republicans especially, and overall I want to hear from
Speaker 1: a United States Congress that refuses to adjucate this responsibility
Speaker 1: to any president, this one or any other president when
Speaker 1: it comes to war powers.
Speaker 2: That's very, very real. Now It's true. You know, you
Speaker 2: got Chucker Carlson and Steve Bannon and even Marjorie Green
Speaker 2: starting to raise certain critical voices. Yeah, America first to
Speaker 2: an isolation, is positioned over against the war. But I
Speaker 2: think we do have to recognize that because America and
Speaker 2: Israel are so inextricably interwoven that Israel could not do
Speaker 2: what it does without a green light from Trump. There's
Speaker 2: no way they could run without a green light from Trump.
Speaker 2: And we even know about the three hundred hell fire
Speaker 2: miss early last week that are being used. So they're
Speaker 2: using American military equipment in the various attacks in the
Speaker 2: same way that Israel could not engage in the genocide
Speaker 2: and ethnic cleansing in Gaza with without an American green light.
Speaker 2: And all Trump has to do is just say stop.
Speaker 2: He either gets humiliated by Nathan Yahoo or they stop.
Speaker 2: And the chances are they stopped because the Israeli army,
Speaker 2: as powerful as it is, cannot survive over a long
Speaker 2: period of time without US support, US fishment of supplies.
Speaker 2: So in that sense, the United States is already a
Speaker 2: part of the war that just no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: And you think about the I mean a nuclear weapon issue,
Speaker 2: that does ron have a nuclear weapon? No, Gabert just
Speaker 2: gave her intelligence report just a couple of months ago.
Speaker 2: Say no, they don't. How close to well, we don't
Speaker 2: really really know. That's true. We really don't know. There's
Speaker 2: only nine nations in the world that have nuclear weapons, right,
Speaker 2: You got Russia has about fifty five hundred, United States
Speaker 2: got two hundred hundred. Then you got and she got England,
Speaker 2: you got got India, you got North Korea. Now Israel
Speaker 2: has more than North Korea. Actually, but they never said.
Speaker 2: So if you asked any US president, you asked any
Speaker 2: is Israeli president, do you have nuclear weapons? They refuse
Speaker 2: to answer the question. But everybody knows.
Speaker 1: But I was refusing. The answer is The answer is.
Speaker 2: South Africa had it, but Mandela dismantled it. And it's
Speaker 2: interesting because South Africa had it in part because of
Speaker 2: the collaborate with Israel. The Israel was willing to collaborate
Speaker 2: on a nuclear weapon with apartheid South Africa that would
Speaker 2: drop the bomb on Africans. When it comes to Iran
Speaker 2: and their weapon that wants to drop the bomb on them,
Speaker 2: they say, no, we understand that we don't want anybody
Speaker 2: drop the bombs on Israelis, or Africans, or Germans or
Speaker 2: any or indigenous peoples of anybody else. I'm actually with
Speaker 2: Albert Einstein. I'm for nuclear dismantlement across the board. But
Speaker 2: you got twelve thousand of them out there in the world,
Speaker 2: So what you're gonna do. But all of this rationalization
Speaker 2: for this kind of ugly invasion and military imposition on
Speaker 2: innocent peoples, be the in Gaza, or be there in
Speaker 2: on the West Bank, or be there in Iran anywhere else.
Speaker 2: I mean, it has to be radically called into question.
Speaker 2: It just seems to.
Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, definitely. And what you're outlining really is the
Speaker 1: difference between tomato tomato in terms of how we latest
Speaker 1: thing out. The United States is already in it. There
Speaker 1: just has not been a declaration of war coming from
Speaker 1: the United States of America, so they playing in our face.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbin over there in the UK has weighed in
Speaker 1: on this. He said, I asked the Foreign Secretary a
Speaker 1: straightforward question. Are British weapons being used by Israel to bomb?
Speaker 1: I ran ask them a straightforward question, Jeremy, the Honorable
Speaker 1: Jeremy Corbyn goes on. He refused the answer. So that's
Speaker 1: the answer.
Speaker 2: You refuse the answer, So we know what the answer is.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, and thank God for strong leaders like Jeremy Corbyn, just.
Speaker 2: Trying to get the truth, like all of us. And
Speaker 2: the truth is bigger than all of us. See. The
Speaker 2: problems is that everybody's so many people want to rationalize,
Speaker 2: they little partisan position, rationalize their policy. The truth is
Speaker 2: deeper and bigger than that. And we want to know
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do, we do.
Speaker 2: We got to know what the truth is. Who is zooming?
Speaker 2: Who of breath has said.
Speaker 1: That's sick, that's who's zooming? Who amen? Amen to that?
Speaker 1: We got Senator Bernard Sanders in the House. The Constitution
Speaker 1: of the United States is very clear. There is no ambiguity.
Speaker 1: It is Congress that determines whether we go to war,
Speaker 1: not the President. Trump must not take illegal military actions
Speaker 1: action against Iran. Amen, Amen and amen that those are
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the facts, doctors is irrefutable. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. You can't you can't do it.
Speaker 1: May try to do it, but legally he is not
Speaker 1: allowed to do so.
Speaker 2: No, we salute brother Bernie. And I know if Tim
Speaker 2: Kaine has been trying to push a similar bill, but
Speaker 2: I mean Trump, Trump administrator, they don't give a day
Speaker 2: about no go to shuit. No, No, They're obsessed with
Speaker 2: the levelth commandment, I shall not get caught. We gonna
Speaker 2: do everything, and before we get caught, and it's only
Speaker 2: when the courts come through and try to enforce it.
Speaker 2: And we're reaching a point where courts are going to
Speaker 2: disagree with Trump, and Trump fundamentally, explicitly, unequivocally says I
Speaker 2: will not do it, and he's already done it implicitly
Speaker 2: with the planes going to El Salvador taking the precious
Speaker 2: immigrants and so forth. But I'm talking about major clash.
Speaker 2: And then they say, well, we finally got a constitutional
Speaker 2: crisis where we've been in that crisis for a while,
Speaker 2: but it becomes undeniable when you get a major clash
Speaker 2: and We're gonna get that on the war too, because
Speaker 2: America's already in the war the genocide against gods as
Speaker 2: well as the ward he wrong, and it's a it's
Speaker 2: a very very perilous times. So I'm telling you, he's
Speaker 2: a very la still got the police, still got the
Speaker 2: curse for you going on.
Speaker 1: And the National Guard. They're questioning whether the National Guard
Speaker 1: are going to be there more permanently than expected. For some,
Speaker 1: that's just insanity right there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely So we just got to keep telling the truth,
Speaker 2: keep fighting. That's the bottom line. But it's getting dimmer
Speaker 2: every day, grimmar every day, bleaker every day. But we're
Speaker 2: not gonna allow Anybody's still our joy, it's still our love,
Speaker 2: still our courage, and it's still integrity and truth teller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that all of that, all of that some bright life.
Speaker 1: We got a Republican representative, Thomas Massey. I just introduced
Speaker 1: an Iran War Powers Resolution with a rep rocana to
Speaker 1: prohibit us involvement in the Israeli Iran war. This is
Speaker 1: not our war, even if it were, Congress must decide
Speaker 1: such matters according to our constitution. So when you talk
Speaker 1: about some real by because you know they fancy that
Speaker 1: word by partisanship around just to kind of it's like
Speaker 1: sprinkling fairy dust, so to try to get you think, oh,
Speaker 1: they're working together bipartisanly, so that makes it all right.
Speaker 1: There have been a lot of bad bipartisan things that
Speaker 1: the Congress has done that was bad. This one right here.
Speaker 1: Representive Thomas Massy, I never thought I would say it,
Speaker 1: but you go, you go, you and Representative Rocanna, who's
Speaker 1: a dear friend of both myself and doctor Cornell West.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna put that out there right now. So
Speaker 1: happy that Congressman Rocanna is stepping out. He's been stepping
Speaker 1: out against these forever wars, and it is really really
Speaker 1: good to see him and Representative Thomas Massey introduce a
Speaker 1: resolution to prohibit the United States involvement. And I'm glad
Speaker 1: they called it what it is, the Israel Iran war.
Speaker 1: This is not our war. Now. They can say those
Speaker 1: things and technically they're right, but and I hate to
Speaker 1: put the butt all the things that you just laid
Speaker 1: out Dot that's happening in a very covert way makes
Speaker 1: it our war. But we understand what he's saying. He's right,
Speaker 1: this ain't our war, but covertly the United States is
Speaker 1: complicit because, as you laid out, Doc, Prime Minister, that
Speaker 1: and Yahoo wouldn't have had the guts to do this
Speaker 1: unless he firmly believed that the United States who was
Speaker 1: going to back his mischief.
Speaker 2: I do believe that. I mean, I'm glad to see
Speaker 2: Congress having some life. I mean they've been literally, symbolically
Speaker 2: politically dead for so long, completely deferential to the authoritarian
Speaker 2: and often dictatorial moves of Trump and company. But it
Speaker 2: might be too little, too late, because they would have
Speaker 2: already it aired. They say Congress must approve the involvement.
Speaker 1: They already involved involved. Yeah, yeah, that's that that little
Speaker 1: you know that we're taking the truth. You know how
Speaker 1: when you go to court, you got to testify, you
Speaker 1: put up the hand, d swear to tell truth, the
Speaker 1: whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So hope you
Speaker 1: got you and I are and that nothing but the truth.
Speaker 1: So help us God. And we need our audience to
Speaker 1: understand that the US is involved, even if it's unofficially,
Speaker 1: we are absolutely involved. As Deanna bo Jeremy Corbyn asked
Speaker 1: about about Great Britain, he didn't get an answer. They're involved. Too,
Speaker 1: So you got these Western nations back in this play.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's exactly right. I think what we have to
Speaker 2: come to terms with is our very concrete experience of feeling.
Speaker 2: Is if we are powerless and impotent. Yeah, can't stop genocide,
Speaker 2: can't war, can't stop mass incarceration, can't start grotesque wealth, inequality,
Speaker 2: can't stop corporate greed. We can talk about it, organized fried,
Speaker 2: we could hit the street, we could go to jail,
Speaker 2: but we still we haven't stopped it. We haven't stopped it. It
Speaker 2: doesn't mean we give up, but we gotta be honest
Speaker 2: about ourselves. Yeah, we do, truthful about our own will
Speaker 2: to truth.
Speaker 1: Or do we want to be lied to? I mean,
Speaker 1: do we really like politician's whispering sweet, nothing's in our ears?
Speaker 1: Because sometimes you know, that's saying ignorance is bliss. It
Speaker 1: really is, because once your consciousness is pierced and pricked,
Speaker 1: you can't go back to being the.
Speaker 2: Same, not the true.
Speaker 1: Yeah true oo, Doc, I'm telling you this is something.
Speaker 1: We got all kinds of stuff going on just just
Speaker 1: in normal life, and then to have this happening, and
Speaker 1: even with the Palestini, you know or min I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw, you know, governors and elected officials
Speaker 1: were signing warheads a few months back that were that
Speaker 1: were being used in Israel against you know, against our
Speaker 1: Palestinian sisters and brothers and family and friends. This is
Speaker 1: a warmongering nation and there are a few people who
Speaker 1: will benefit greatly. I want to know what kind of
Speaker 1: stocks have been traded by the inside trading and trading
Speaker 1: going on. They wouldn't block it even under Speaker Pelosi.
Speaker 1: So let let we're gonna be clear under Republican or
Speaker 1: democratically controlled Congress, to to beholden to big money, to greedy,
Speaker 1: lack of integrity, to stop Congress members from being able
Speaker 1: to trade stocks. So I want to I want to
Speaker 1: know right now. I want to see all the stock
Speaker 1: trading that is going on among the members of Congress
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Boof is it that hadn't even thought about that? But
Speaker 2: of course that's something that's that's real, very real. Indeed,
Speaker 2: who is profiting, well, what defense contractors are, but then
Speaker 2: the stocks to and the politicians.
Speaker 1: That's it making money handover fists over other people's misery.
Speaker 1: The movie Don't Look Up comes to mind. If you
Speaker 1: have not seen that, you better go to Netflix and
Speaker 1: watch it. The great David Sirota of one of our
Speaker 1: colleagues and friends too, worked on the Sanders campaign, him
Speaker 1: and others. That movie is very telling for this moment.
Speaker 1: Right here, you're listening to the Truth Time with doctor Cornell
Speaker 1: West and Anina Turner. When we come forward, we will
Speaker 1: continue our discussion beautiful indeed doct before we turn to
Speaker 1: the tube. Just want to highlight some other folks writing
Speaker 1: on social media. We got Matt Dusk, who was a
Speaker 1: former foreign policy advisor, to say to Bernie Sanders. He writes,
Speaker 1: any Democrat who can't stand up and speak out now
Speaker 1: against the Trump netting Yahoo regime change war should not
Speaker 1: even consider running in twenty twenty eight. You're not who
Speaker 1: this country needs. That I got there, I got the
Speaker 1: triple A man that high five, the fist bumpet. He
Speaker 1: telling the truth on that one.
Speaker 2: He's laying And we'll see how many Democrats really stepped
Speaker 2: forward though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones that's gonna run, he said now, So
Speaker 1: that means like today tomorrow, you know, not not five
Speaker 1: weeks from now. But were gonna keep it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: keep a list out. We checking it twice We're gonna
Speaker 1: find out who's courageous and who's not, who's naughty and
Speaker 1: who nice. But brother Matt, does you made that plane?
Speaker 1: And then I, you know, I, I you know the
Speaker 1: vice president is from Ohio. He is, and he is
Speaker 1: basically rationalizing this. He did admit that he has a
Speaker 1: bias towards the president. And I'm glad you know, admit
Speaker 1: that you're the vice president. We understand you got a bias.
Speaker 1: But right is right and wrong is wrong. And so
Speaker 1: I said this to the vice president on social media,
Speaker 1: said vice president were from the same state. I'm positive
Speaker 1: you know about brook Park, Ohio. The third Battalion, twenty
Speaker 1: fifth Regiment, fourth Marine Division, which lost twenty one marines
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five in Iraq almost twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: That community is still realing from that. So trying to
Speaker 1: put some human face on this from our own state.
Speaker 1: They lost twenty one marines and people are still hurt
Speaker 1: by the loss of the loved ones. The power to
Speaker 1: sin the US to war lies with Congress. Let American
Speaker 1: people decide. I've traveled our state and country just as
Speaker 1: you have. No matter where I go, one thing, I
Speaker 1: can almost always find common ground. About and that is
Speaker 1: about sending Americans to war. And you've been all over
Speaker 1: the country too. I don't know if anybody's ever walked
Speaker 1: up to you and say, hey, doctor West, please, if
Speaker 1: you become president of the United States of America, in
Speaker 1: your top three, please send people the war.
Speaker 2: No, that's real.
Speaker 1: It's not a thing.
Speaker 2: Very few politicians actually have children who are in the army.
Speaker 1: That is true. That is absolutely true. One more point
Speaker 1: I made. If you send troops, some will die, Their
Speaker 1: family members will get a knock at the door and
Speaker 1: have their world shattered in an instant. You serve, so
Speaker 1: I know you understand, do not let this happen. So
Speaker 1: trying to appeal to some sense of decency if there
Speaker 1: is any, So we'll see, Doc. I mean, people who
Speaker 1: are standing up, are really standing up and again shouting
Speaker 1: out our brother Ben Cohen for his up and arms.
Speaker 1: I mean that came out just in time Earth for
Speaker 1: what's popping off right now. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you see any world where Trump pulls
Speaker 1: back dock at all?
Speaker 2: I think you pull back if he can get enough
Speaker 2: conflicting contestation within his MAGA group. Maga has never been monolithical, homogenious.
Speaker 2: He's always had disagreements, but they've been over overwhelmed by
Speaker 2: the cult like deference that they have for Trump. I
Speaker 2: think that's waning, going to wane more and more. It's
Speaker 2: going to get weaker and weaker and weaker. And I
Speaker 2: think Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon and the others, Marjorie
Speaker 2: Green and others, as wrong as they are on so
Speaker 2: many other crucial, crucial, crucial issues, they've been Trump's supporters.
Speaker 2: They've been marched hand in hand with his neo fascism.
Speaker 2: We should be very honest about that. But they have
Speaker 2: an isolationist version of America first. And Trump himself he doesn't.
Speaker 2: He's not he doesn't have an ideology at all.
Speaker 1: He's not even really a Republican.
Speaker 2: He just manipulator every day, every week, every year. That's
Speaker 2: not an idiolog He just does whatever he wants to
Speaker 2: do based on his will and women and those whispering
Speaker 2: in his ear. But he is still deeply, deeply authoritarian,
Speaker 2: neil fascist and policy and effect. But we'll see. I
Speaker 2: think that there's going to be deep conflict in his camp,
Speaker 2: and that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope you know, doctor West, I hate to
Speaker 1: admit it. Well, I don't hate to admit it. It
Speaker 1: seems to me, at least my analysis over you know,
Speaker 1: this past decade or so, that Republican Republican tend to
Speaker 1: be more willing, not all the time, to bump back
Speaker 1: against their party than Democrats have been willing to do,
Speaker 1: especially that Maga arm or the Freedom Caucus. You know,
Speaker 1: all of them, they will mount up, you know, even
Speaker 1: if it's only ten of them, and then their hold
Speaker 1: people hostage over some stuff. They'll hold some bills, those
Speaker 1: hostage over stuff. Meanwhile, on the other side, you got
Speaker 1: a Progressive caucause that's like one hundred strong air quotes.
Speaker 1: They barely say their word. I find that fascinating. I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated by that.
Speaker 2: Under strong in number, but an impact and courage. Not
Speaker 2: a whole lot going on. It's keep sweat moments, something something.
Speaker 1: It is a Keith sweat moment. One of my dear
Speaker 1: friends ain't even Lola. She love her some Keith Sweats.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shout her out. Here we go, we
Speaker 1: go into the tube, into the chat. Blessed peacemaker in
Speaker 1: the house. Good to be with truth, tellers and peacemakers
Speaker 1: on truth time. Amen to that, Doc. I think there's
Speaker 1: a scripture in the Christian Bible. Blessed all the peacemakers.
Speaker 1: They shall is it they shell in hair the earth?
Speaker 2: That's sermon on the mouth, that's Jesus himself.
Speaker 1: Come on now, blessed are the peacemakers. It might it
Speaker 1: might not feel like that in the moment though, But
Speaker 1: blessed are the peacemakers. Thanks here der, thank you, blessed,
Speaker 1: blessed peacemaker, and blessed Peacemaker's name is right on time
Speaker 1: in this moment, I'm just thinking about that. Oh, we
Speaker 1: got brother Morris Phillips in the house. Good afternoon, Senator Turner.
Speaker 1: Doctor West, got love for both of you, and we
Speaker 1: have love for you too, Brother Phillips, Good afternoon, blessed peacemaker.
Speaker 1: You do bring peace. So we got the dialogue going
Speaker 1: on between our crew up up up there. Love them
Speaker 1: so much when they do that, Jesse paris aka chi
Speaker 1: chi nakume. Peace and much love, Doctor West and Senator
Speaker 1: Nina Turner from Denver, Colorado, Peace and love and blessing us.
Speaker 1: Back to you, brother Phillips, back in I am a
Speaker 1: graduate of the University of the University of kb LA,
Speaker 1: and Doc the West is.
Speaker 2: The dean, go ahead, Astana is the provost.
Speaker 1: And Brother Tavis is the president.
Speaker 2: And chancellor.
Speaker 1: And just love that brother. Boys, you are too much
Speaker 1: for me. I examine life, war for peace. I swear
Speaker 1: we are in the year nineteen eighty four. I know
Speaker 1: that's right. How these cats think think it's some being
Speaker 1: war war for peace? Oh Lord, you know that great
Speaker 1: book orwell Road nineteen eighty four will yeah.
Speaker 2: Truth about the role of lies.
Speaker 1: There it is. Listen, audience, family, if you've never read
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, it is a strong recommendation, read that book.
Speaker 1: It's timeless. Doctor, that book is timeless.
Speaker 2: It's a classic that is so true.
Speaker 1: It really is. We got blessed peacemaker. Trump tweeted that
Speaker 1: mccron was mistake. Oh Diddy, catch me up on the tweets.
Speaker 1: So remember McCrone was saying that the president was going
Speaker 1: back because there was gonna be ceasefire talks. Blessed Peacemaker
Speaker 1: saying that President Trumpton just he tweeted that Macron was mistaken.
Speaker 1: Djt's the latest tweets are absolutely insane warmongering prayers going
Speaker 1: up for peace and new global leaders with good hearts
Speaker 1: who love all people. Amen, A man, a man, a
Speaker 1: man to that blessed peacemaker. You're listening to Truth Time
Speaker 1: all the time with doctor Cornell West and Nina Turner.
Speaker 1: When we come forward, we'll finish talking and interacting with
Speaker 1: our audience in the live chat on the tube. Yes
Speaker 1: you are and yes true question or will rise again?
Speaker 1: We need some of that rising, Doc, I'm back at
Speaker 1: the tube. You know, we got some really good questions,
Speaker 1: so brother Phillips said, both parties bowed down to the
Speaker 1: military industrial complex. We absolutely know that to be true
Speaker 1: in life. Please keep telling the truth, Doctor Wessinson and
Speaker 1: the Turner Love Peace and truth Culture asks a very
Speaker 1: important question, how are some rules and laws followed to
Speaker 1: the letter while others fall under benign neglect policies?
Speaker 2: No, that's real, and of course the reality is and undercapitalism,
Speaker 2: ruling classes and property owners and bosses one set of rules,
Speaker 2: and workers and everyday people have another set of rules.
Speaker 2: On the white white brothers and sisters have a set
Speaker 2: of rules, and black brothers and sisters, Indigenous peoples and
Speaker 2: browns and Asians have another set of rules, same as
Speaker 2: true underpatriarchy. Yeah, set of rules. Women are juderent set
Speaker 2: of rules. That's what it is to live in the
Speaker 2: system of domination.
Speaker 1: That said, a system of domination. Lord, have mercy. True time.
Speaker 1: We're talking about peace, war and peace today A lemon exhaustion,
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, till you both can't stay, but I will
Speaker 1: catch you catch up with it tomorrow. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: women exhaustion for at least dipping in. I love I
Speaker 1: love our people in the chat, Doc, but they are
Speaker 1: such a family here. Blessed Peacemaker has a question, Doc,
Speaker 1: Doctor west Howe is doctor Naheata's family back in Iran?
Speaker 1: Is everyone okay? Praying for protection and comfort for you all? Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you, Blessed Peacemaker.
Speaker 2: Definitely, And we wrestle with it minute by minute. You know,
Speaker 2: Anna heat is right on the edge of her seat.
Speaker 2: I'm right on the edge of my seat in terms
Speaker 2: of our love in Tarann and Tyranne and other parts
Speaker 2: of Iran. Yeah, appreciate that that that question so far
Speaker 2: holding all on, but with all of them coming in,
Speaker 2: you don't know whether to stay in the city go
Speaker 2: out of the city. It's something that has her and
Speaker 2: my self and her blessed mother who does not live
Speaker 2: in Tehran but has also loved ones there on praying
Speaker 2: on the edge of our seat. So we deeply appreciate
Speaker 2: that kind of care and concern.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, but by the grace of God,
Speaker 1: there go I that's saying that could be any of us.
Speaker 1: The roads could be reversed, and it could be bombs
Speaker 1: dropping on the United States of America, and that's wondering
Speaker 1: how our various loved ones are doing across the country.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just really wicked. Doctors just no
Speaker 1: excuse for just doing this. You know, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: my heart just aches because I know other people have
Speaker 1: family too, you know. Doctor Nahita is certainly one my sister,
Speaker 1: and I have other sisters and brothers who have people
Speaker 1: in Iran, and it's just painful. A brother, Philip Moore says,
Speaker 1: ignorance is pervasive, but willful ignorance is nefarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, willful, that's fresh word that's deep in saying.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, we definitely have an obligation to know to
Speaker 1: seek the truth, and we definitely have more at our
Speaker 1: disposal in today's society than any other generation in terms
Speaker 1: of trying to seek the truth. Also though, we got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff out there that pretends to be
Speaker 1: the truth and it's not. So we got to be careful,
Speaker 1: very careful where and how we get our information, because
Speaker 1: just because something looks official doesn't make it official, And
Speaker 1: just because people are putting it out there, especially on
Speaker 1: social media, does not make it true or even real.
Speaker 1: You know, Grandma, you say, but truth in the river
Speaker 1: five days after lie, truth gonna catch up. This is
Speaker 1: that moment for so many things happening in this country
Speaker 1: and in this world. Name to Truth Time with doctor
Speaker 1: Cornell West and Nina Turner when we come forward our
Speaker 1: remaining moments. So I want to take our remaining moments
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about our Mother EMMANUELAM Church
Speaker 1: and Charleston, South Carolina. So ten years ago today and
Speaker 1: white supremacists walked into Mother EMMANUELAMI Church in Charleston, South
Speaker 1: Carolina and murdered nine people. We will always remember them.
Speaker 1: Maira Thompson, Susie Jackson, Reverend Daniel Simmons, Reverend and Senator CLEMENTA. C. Pinckney,
Speaker 1: Tijuana Sanders, Reverend Sharonda Coleman, Singleton, f O. Lee Lance,
Speaker 1: Reverend D. Payne Middleton doctor and Cynthia Graham her doctor West.
Speaker 2: Say their names. They they names, Yeah, cowardly, hariss hateful,
Speaker 2: white supremacist goes in in the Bible study, sits there
Speaker 2: and listens as they wrestle with the Holy Scripture, and
Speaker 2: then turns guns against them, solely Black, solely because a
Speaker 2: hatred for black people. My God, my God. Then a
Speaker 2: few days later, a number of them say they forgive it.
Speaker 3: You say, ooh, oh, wait a minute, Wait a minute.
Speaker 2: Forgiveness is not just an event, It's a process. I'm
Speaker 2: a Christian. I believe in forgiveness, but people have to
Speaker 2: ask for forgiveness and you got to work it through
Speaker 2: so that it is not premature. But people can do
Speaker 2: what they won't. But the amazing thing is that there's
Speaker 2: that kind of openness on behalf of so many Black
Speaker 2: people for coming the terms with being hated in the
Speaker 2: form of out and keep some kind of love possible.
Speaker 2: And whether we agree or disagree with that kind of
Speaker 2: premature forgiveness, it does say something about the human spirit
Speaker 2: among black people that we still in the end most
Speaker 2: of us just don't want to back just to extend
Speaker 2: the cycle of hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm i wrestle with that, I must say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it is true for us more
Speaker 1: than any other group. Not exclusively, but in some ways.
Speaker 1: I got to ask myself the question, are we programming
Speaker 1: to forgive more quickly as if we're not worthy or
Speaker 1: entitled of being angry, being mad, being sad and making
Speaker 1: a demand. I love your quote. Forgiveness is not just
Speaker 1: an event, It is a process. Black people need to
Speaker 1: process that that it is a process, that it is
Speaker 1: okay for us to take our time. I believe that
Speaker 1: we have internalized a certain type of pressure that says
Speaker 1: we're not worthy, and therefore we got to jump up
Speaker 1: and forgive folks just to do it. I really do. Now.
Speaker 1: I think there's some virtuous a little bit, a little bit,
Speaker 1: but not exclusively. I also believe it could be dangerous.
Speaker 1: I'm all over the place on this.
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you. I think all of us wrestling.
Speaker 2: But there is a charitable notion of Christian hatred where
Speaker 2: you hate the sin and love the sinner. Now, that
Speaker 2: to me is sure what we want to get to.
Speaker 2: But somebody's just shot down to people you love. It's
Speaker 2: hard to make a DECI distinction Sometime between the sin
Speaker 2: and the sinner.
Speaker 1: And we got to talk about that too, and the
Speaker 1: should not. We should not feel obligated as a people
Speaker 1: more than any other group to jump out there and say,
Speaker 1: I forgive you the process. We gotta process this thing first.
Speaker 1: I might get there eventually. You know, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite counselwomen who she's in the ancestral of playing. Her
Speaker 1: name is Fanny Elm Lewis. She said, God loves you,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to like you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like we need some of that vibe God loves you.
Speaker 1: Another black saying try Jesus, don't try me, you know.
Speaker 1: So in any case, Oh my God, so good to
Speaker 1: be with all of you today, doctor West. And I
Speaker 1: want you to live on purpose, live your purpose no
Speaker 1: matter what is happening in this world. And remember above
Speaker 1: all things, titles are good, but purpose is better. Until
Speaker 1: next time,