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She is a reporter at the North State 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,920 Journal nsjonline dot com, and she is also the publisher 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,240 of her More to the Story substack newsletter that you 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,439 can subscribe to. 16 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:50,039 Speaker 1: Ap. How are you today? 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Pete? How are you? 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: Case of the Mondays? You know, it's just the way 19 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,880 it is doing. 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,799 Speaker 2: Okay, So all right, let's start with a topic that 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,039 you wanted to hit on when I asked you, Hey, 22 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:03,280 what do you want to talk about today? And you 23 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,799 said redistricting and then you said Mark Elias, So yes, 24 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,359 crowd favorite. 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,519 Speaker 3: Here law group is U is representing a group of 26 00:01:12,519 --> 00:01:18,079 individuals suing over the newly past congressional. 27 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: Map, the gerrymandered racist maps. 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: Yes, yes they're they're saying that it's diluting the black folk, 29 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,519 that it violates the Voting Rights Act. You know, there's 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,879 two main points to the lawsuit, but it's the Elias 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,200 Law Group and another outfit here that's in North Carolina. 32 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:39,040 That name is escaping me at the moment they filed 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:39,840 it late last week. 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,359 Speaker 2: Is that the it's a Southern Coalition for Social Justice 35 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,439 Anita Earls's racket, no common common Cause, common Cause, NC 36 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:49,400 common Cause. 37 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,079 Speaker 3: Or no, but na a CP of the breach will 38 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:59,959 be suing as well. Yes, Repairs Forward Justice. Yeah, on Saturday. 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,319 Speaker 2: Yes, the usual suspects, basically always the same crowd. H 40 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,520 And Mark Elias a fan favorite here at the Pete 41 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:12,240 Calener Show. We love Mark Elias here and I am 42 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,520 not at all serious on that. Yeah, this guy has 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,120 been and he's had his grubby little fingers in every 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,439 redistricting fight we have had. But for some reason, can 45 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,599 never find a Democrat controlled state that jerry manders to 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:33,080 ever protect the democracy in It's always here, it's always 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,960 in red states that redistrict. 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:36,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it's. 49 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: He sued here quite a few times OVERBSINT ballots, over 50 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:45,000 voter ID redistricting maps and the like. He was also 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:52,039 former Governor Cooper's lawyer during the twenty sixteen recount, so 52 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:55,000 he was him and his his firm were involved in that. 53 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,120 They're also involved with Dan McCready and what was it 54 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:02,439 the NC nine yep, a couple of years back. So 55 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:04,879 you know, he's been to North Carolina. 56 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: Quite often and cut out bag man for the Russia 57 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:11,240 collusion hoax. 58 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: Yes, the spildassier. Yes, when he was at Perkins Cooie, 59 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,479 I believe Clinton's campaign lawyer, and the payment for the 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,360 spildossier I believe went through him. 61 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,319 Speaker 1: Indeed it did so. So that's that. 62 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: What else we got? The state health plan. This is 63 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,280 interesting that there was a US Court of Appeals ruling 64 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,280 regarding the North Carolina State Health Plan and there was 65 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:43,919 an exclusion of coverage for trans related treatments, transition related treatments, 66 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:50,039 and this was a case catile versus Fallwell, and so 67 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,199 where do we stand now with this case? 68 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: Well, this case has been going on for a number 69 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,520 of years, going all the way back to I believe 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,120 former Treasurer of Fallwell's first term, after they ruled that 71 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:06,159 sex change in different procedures in the state, the legislature 72 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:09,840 had passed a bill about that, but the state health 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,080 plan had always had an exclusion for that kind of 74 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,480 coverage anyway, and that went back quite a while, I believe, 75 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,639 into them, maybe even into the early two thousands, late nineties, 76 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,560 so I mean, it's been in place for a long time. 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,000 But when they got sued over it, that exclusion suddenly 78 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:29,879 was up in the air and they were having to 79 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,199 possibly process those kinds of treatments through the state health plan. 80 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,600 But the Fourth Circuit ruled that this is going to 81 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,439 have to go back to the state court in light 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,959 of Scremetti, which was a case at the Supreme Court 83 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,120 ruled on involving Tennessee where they upheld the ban on 84 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,639 those kind of treatments for that state. So in light 85 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,319 of that, it got sent back down from the Supreme 86 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:56,600 Court back to the four Circuit. Four Circuit back down, 87 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,720 and it's probably going to be upheld, and we're probably 88 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:01,800 going to to be able to maintain that exclusion of 89 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,240 that coverage. 90 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: Right, And the state Treasurer Brad Briner, put out a 91 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:12,439 press statement after the Supreme Court ruling. You've got a 92 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,800 quote here that the case has always been about one question. 93 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:19,199 Do the people of North Carolina, through their elected representatives, 94 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,759 get to ultimately manage the state health plan or con 95 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:28,920 plaintiffs dictate what procedures we cover, because so this is 96 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:32,800 the health plan that state employees and retirees. 97 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,079 Speaker 1: That they are on. 98 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: And yeah, like you said, the exclusion of these procedures 99 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,439 and quote unquote treatments has been around for dar near 100 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:47,199 thirty years, and it was only when they got sued 101 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,040 that right, there was a lower court Loretta Biggs, I believe, 102 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,800 was the judge that said, no, no, you can't do that. 103 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,439 Speaker 1: You have to allow for this stuff. 104 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:59,199 Speaker 2: And I don't know if anything has been funded in 105 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,879 the interim before we got this ruling down, but I 106 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,399 agree with you it seems like the guidance from the 107 00:06:05,519 --> 00:06:08,639 US Supreme Court in this scremmittic case is probably going 108 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,560 to allow North Carolina to continue exempting or prohibiting these procedures. 109 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 110 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was specifically Tennessee. It was their law. There 111 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:22,800 was banning gender transition treatments for teams, like puberty blockers, 112 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,600 hormon therapies. I do believe that there were certain surgeries 113 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:29,480 covered under their unless they were considered medically necessary. It 114 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:31,120 was similar to the one here in North Carolina. 115 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so let's talk basement strategy. This was hilarious. 116 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:44,319 And so you you cite National Review, which they are 117 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:47,319 paying attention to this race. I have noticed National Review 118 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,600 has had several stories about my good friend Ray aka 119 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,920 Roy Cooper and the Senate race. 120 00:06:54,959 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: They're paying attention to it, and they detected. 121 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: A a tactic, shall we say that the social media 122 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,839 accounts for Roy has been employing what's the strategy? 123 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:12,319 Speaker 3: He's recycling old photos and like they're new. I'm a 124 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,360 social media he's putting up photos of himself doing things 125 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:18,120 in the past with certain people and you know, making 126 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,120 you know, just a generic statement, you know, political statement 127 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,839 on you know, the issue of the day kind of thing. 128 00:07:24,279 --> 00:07:26,480 I think they had a couple of examples in the 129 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,160 article about a New Year's photo that was used in 130 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,279 a hardworking people across North Carolina making an economy economy 131 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,120 strong kind of post for Labor Day, for Labor Day. 132 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. 133 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: Using something from New Year's the year prior. Same thing 134 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,959 with a healthcare one he used September in a September 135 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,079 post he accused DC Republicans of cutting medicaid, but he 136 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:52,600 had used a Pope photo that was first posted online 137 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,240 in December twenty twenty three. You know, so, I don't 138 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:00,680 know if the Cooper camp knew this was coming out 139 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:03,399 or not, but they dropped four photos from the current 140 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,680 North Carolina State Fair where Cooper apparently attended. And there's 141 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,959 a very curiative video of his little trip to the 142 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,279 fair and what he saw and did there. 143 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: So we got proof of life. 144 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:17,519 Speaker 2: So there's recent proof of life of Roy Cooper actually 145 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,600 out on a campaign trail stop instead of using year 146 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,319 plus old photos of him at completely unrelated events like 147 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,480 photos with a veteran that were used for some other 148 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,759 event that was from May twenty twenty four, but it 149 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:39,840 was posted this summer. There was another one May twenty 150 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,799 twenty four for Teacher Appreciation Week. 151 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting. 152 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:48,639 Speaker 2: And you also write here in your piece add more 153 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,519 to the story on your subs deck that there is 154 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,240 a NC governor Flicker account. I guess that's a Flicker 155 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,639 is some sort of a photo platform or something. 156 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:00,919 Speaker 3: When he first came into office, he was using Flicker. 157 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,320 It's a photo sharing service kind of thing, and he 158 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:06,559 had stockpiled a whole bunch of photos in there, and 159 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,000 I know there was a lot more in there than 160 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:09,960 there is currently right now. It's like they cleaned it 161 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,559 out or something, because there's very few in there. And 162 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,480 there's a separate Flicker account that was set up as 163 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:19,399 NC Underscore Governor and that used to have a lot 164 00:09:19,399 --> 00:09:21,799 of photos from press briefings from the pandemic, but now 165 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:23,559 it's only got photos from his swearing it. 166 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 4: So wait a minute, So all those photos, all the 167 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,639 free media that he got during the pandemic and the 168 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,039 summer of our fiery but mostly peaceful rioting, that somehow 169 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,120 or another, all those photos are no longer. 170 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: There used to be a number of those in that account, 171 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:46,320 and I remember looking at it several times in the 172 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,799 past during that but some of those, however, are preserved. 173 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,679 The Department of Health and Human Services and a Department 174 00:09:55,759 --> 00:10:01,679 of Emergency Management both had similar accounts, and whenever they 175 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,960 were doing press conferences there and Mandy Cohen was there 176 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,320 or you know, the the emergency management people were there, 177 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:11,320 they had taken photos from each press briefing and put 178 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,240 them in there. And those photo albums still do exist, 179 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,559 and there was overlap between those photos and the ones 180 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,080 that were in the Flicker account. 181 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: At one point, but not anymore for government. 182 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 3: He doesn't have the min aire anymore under his own, 183 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:25,759 you know. And I don't know whether that was something 184 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:27,639 that got cleaned out after the pandemic. I don't know 185 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,879 how recent that was. It had been a while since 186 00:10:29,919 --> 00:10:30,840 I went to look at them. 187 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:33,519 Speaker 2: I'm sure we should read nothing into the idea that 188 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,919 it is kind of beneficial to remove all of those 189 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:43,200 photos and try to try to, you know, separate him 190 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:49,600 from the COVID response and pandemic emergency declarations or. 191 00:10:49,759 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 3: People are pretty split down that one. A lot of 192 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:55,000 people think that he did just fine and his measures 193 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,200 weren't strict enough, and other people don't believe that he 194 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:01,440 was in his right to you know, closed churches and 195 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,360 separate families and nursing homes and keep his state wide 196 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,320 emergency going for eight hundred and eighty eight days. I mean, 197 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,679 he kept kids mask longer than most countries, in the 198 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,320 most most of the states. I think there were only 199 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:18,200 three states that were masked longer than us, and it 200 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,360 was like New York, California, and one other one, so, 201 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,519 you know, and that was also the time in twenty 202 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,399 twenty when we were all locked down and we weren't 203 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,159 allowed out of our house, but we had, you know, 204 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:31,799 social justice protests, they were allowed out, and you know. 205 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:36,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, wineries fine, yeah, wineries and breweries were allowed to open, 206 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,720 but bars were not. He got sued over that in 207 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:41,159 the racetrack lawsuit. 208 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's still going on. The bars lawsuit. That's still 209 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:44,320 going on. 210 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, his d lasted a long time. The yeah, 211 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,679 the emergency declaration. But so this is I also detect 212 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,759 in your headline here a bit of a callback to 213 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,720 a previous election cycle twenty twenty when Cal Cunningham, the 214 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:05,200 man who would pose in front of a grill while 215 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:11,320 proclaiming to make barbecue. He during that primary, before cal 216 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:16,519 Cunningham was the nominee, there was this story that popped 217 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:22,240 about Jeff Jackson aka Baby Jesus, who was thinking about 218 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,879 running for the US Senate seat, and he was going 219 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:27,960 to do a one hundred county tour as part of 220 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,399 that effort, and Chuck Schumer told him, no, you're not 221 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,320 doing that. You're gonna go raise money, You're gonna dial 222 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,639 for dollars, and he said, we're gonna stuff you in 223 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,320 a windowless basement, is what Jeff Jackson said. And so 224 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,120 do you think that that is the strategy that we 225 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:50,200 are seeing now from Roy Cooper because of the use 226 00:12:50,279 --> 00:12:53,600 of these old photos that he's not actually out and about. 227 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,600 He may be stuck in a windowless basement himself. 228 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: Well, you know, and that was a strategy during COVID 229 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,159 for President Biden as well. I mean, he never made 230 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,279 any appearances. He was always doing zooms out of his 231 00:13:04,279 --> 00:13:07,240 basement or out of his house. And I would think 232 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:10,320 that maybe, you know, in this part of the race 233 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:13,919 right now, at this point, that maybe he's running on 234 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,440 that because he's got more NIGG recognition at this point 235 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,440 and so he doesn't feel he needs to get out there. 236 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:21,200 That kind of makes sense. I think that when twenty 237 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,440 twenty six hits, if he continues with that, it's going 238 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,159 to become pretty obvious and he's going to start to 239 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:25,879 get questions. 240 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: But he's going to get a lot of money. 241 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 3: Well he's raised more money than Watley so far. But yeah, 242 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,360 it's very we're over a year out, still true. 243 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, ap Dylan, you can read her work 244 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:41,519 add more to the story. That's her sub stack. More 245 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,360 to the story, and you can also read her work 246 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,679 at North State Journal NSJ online. Thanks AP, we appreciate 247 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,879 you all right, take care. Here's a great idea. How 248 00:13:49,919 --> 00:13:53,000 about making an escape to a really special and secluded 249 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:55,840 getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive up 250 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:59,000 the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. 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Make memories 269 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:02,559 that'll last a lifetime. 270 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,399 Speaker 1: So real quick. 271 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: I mentioned this on Friday with Brett Winterbil when we 272 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,399 were chatting. I think it was either I think it 273 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,879 was the pregaming segment that we do here on the show, 274 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,720 the last segment on Fridays, the Wattley War Room. Mike Wattley, 275 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,200 he's got mug shot, mondays, I have not seen today. 276 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,000 I'm gonna check during the break to see if there 277 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,480 are mug shots that have been posted today for mugshot Monday. 278 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,360 I did not get you anything in celebration of this, 279 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,879 but this has been one of the campaign efforts to 280 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,480 connect Roy Cooper to the soft on crime policies of 281 00:15:42,559 --> 00:15:45,720 his administration when he was governor and when he was 282 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:49,279 Attorney general. It will help to sort of tarnish that 283 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,960 image that he has cultivated as you know, a tough 284 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,840 on crime kind of Democrat and so we'll see what 285 00:15:56,879 --> 00:16:00,840 the mug shots are today. 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So 306 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:13,599 what if I told you that a member of Congress 307 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,680 that's not really a member of Congress but kind of 308 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:21,319 sort of is a member of Congress was labeled by 309 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:29,039 law enforcement as having early stages of dementia. Who would 310 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:33,079 you think that would be. I kind of gave it 311 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,480 away when I said, not really a member of Congress. 312 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:42,640 It's Eleanor Holmes Norton, she of the profoundly terrible parallel 313 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:49,279 parking abilities the But no, well yeah, yeah, well there 314 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:51,319 was actually I don't even think it was parallel parking. 315 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,079 Speaker 1: It was like a pull in spot. 316 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,079 Speaker 2: Remember there was like video somebody shot video out of 317 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,160 the office building showing her trying to park her Preus. 318 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: I think it was. And it was one of those 319 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,759 diagonal slots. 320 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: Where you just kind of you're supposed to, you know, 321 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,759 just pull in headfirst, you know, And she like was 322 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:11,319 all over the place, crossing like I don't know, seven 323 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,000 different parking spaces, which was quite the feat actually for 324 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,319 a small car like the Prius. But she is a 325 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,400 non voting representative for the District of Columbia, so she's 326 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,119 not really a congress person. She's a delegate, Okay. She 327 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:32,960 apparently was scammed in her own home by a bunch 328 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,160 of people who showed up and said that they were 329 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,200 part of an HVAC service cleaning crew or something. Said 330 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,400 they were going to clean out her HVAC system and 331 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:49,039 then her fireplace, and then they charged her just under 332 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:56,400 four thousand, four hundred dollars, which I have never had 333 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,440 a fireplace cleaning service. 334 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: Now to be I've. 335 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: Never had a like an old school fireplace, so I 336 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,839 don't know what that would cost. I have had HVAC systems, 337 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,119 but again, never had one cleaned. Well, no, I'd take 338 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,799 it back. I think I did have one cleaned a 339 00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:15,839 long time ago, but it was part of like a 340 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,160 service package or something. But even that was not forty 341 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,920 four hundred dollars. That's like a hole that. Like, you 342 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,559 can get an air conditioner installed for that kind of price, 343 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:30,359 a brand new one, I mean, not like top of 344 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,920 the line, but still. An internal police report obtained by 345 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:40,759 News four in Washington, DC details how suspects were able 346 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:44,279 to enter her home access her credit card before somebody 347 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:48,559 whom her office called a house manager and friend, was 348 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:51,720 able to put a stop to it. In the DC 349 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,599 police report, they described Norton, who is eighty eight years old, 350 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,440 as having quote the early stages of dementia and said 351 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:06,079 Norton has a caretaker with power of attorney. Her office 352 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,079 pushed back against that claim at the time the group arrived. 353 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:12,400 The report said that again this is what the cops 354 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,079 wrote up, that the caretaker slash power of attorney was 355 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,720 not at the residence. That report does not name the 356 00:20:20,759 --> 00:20:25,359 caretaker or power of attorney, but says that individual called 357 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,559 police And in case you're not aware, power of attorney 358 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:31,799 is like what you sign over or a court takes 359 00:20:31,799 --> 00:20:34,559 from you, gives to some other person that they can 360 00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:39,359 then act on your behalf because you are not mentally 361 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:46,440 capable of signing a contract, making really any decision of 362 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,799 a legal bearing right. That individual who hang on let mean. 363 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:58,400 This is from the NBC Washington website. Jacqueline Pelt is 364 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,319 her name, Jacqueline. She reported the crime. She is a 365 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,799 longtime friend and supporter of Norton's and she was listed 366 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:13,720 also as Norton's campaign treasurer. She apparently saw the HVAC 367 00:21:13,759 --> 00:21:16,880 workers on a security camera after Norton had called her 368 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,480 and advised Norton to tell them to leave. Pelt then 369 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:24,119 went to Norton's home and realized that the credit card 370 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,640 had been charged. They then flagged down a DC cop 371 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,960 as well as a US Capitol Police officer, who also 372 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,160 went to the home to investigate Norton's credit card and 373 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,839 driver's license number could potentially be compromised. According to the report, 374 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,480 no arrests were made, but they're treating the crime as 375 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:45,720 felony fraud. In a statement to News four, Norton's office says, quote, 376 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,960 the congresswoman employs a house manager who oversees all maintenance services, 377 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,200 so she initially assumed that her staff had arranged the 378 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:59,200 visit and provided her credit card for payment. Upon notifying 379 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,759 her house manage, who reviewed the ring doorbell footage and 380 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,519 confirmed that no such appointment had been scheduled, the incident 381 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,240 was immediately reported to the police. Later in the same statement, 382 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:17,079 Norton's office said, quote, Congresswoman Norton does not have a caretaker. 383 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,720 A longtime employee and friends serves as the house manager, 384 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:26,359 residing at a separate address. A spokesperson for Norton confirmed 385 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,119 that Pelt had notified the police, but says she is 386 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:36,319 not Norton's caretaker. That spokesperson would not say whether Pelt 387 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:44,480 has power of attorney or not. So I'm reading this 388 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,880 story and maybe it's my years of training as a 389 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,079 local reporter which puts the prompt into my brain almost immediately, 390 00:22:54,319 --> 00:22:58,200 is which is what is the local angle to the story? 391 00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: How do you localize this story? 392 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: And for people of a certain age, you may recall 393 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,599 a former Mecklenburg County commissioner named Ella Scarborough. I know 394 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,200 I'm dating myself here, but I am old enough to 395 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:17,440 remember when way back in twenty twenty two, Ella Scarborough 396 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:22,880 passed away after a long period of absence on the 397 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:28,799 county commission where nobody knew her whereabouts, and she was 398 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:35,400 supposedly joining these county commissioner meetings by zoom, but she 399 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:41,480 was never on camera, and sometimes it sounded like somebody 400 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:48,759 else was casting votes for her because she was in. 401 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: Decline. 402 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: Her health was in decline. I believe she also had 403 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,039 some form of dementia at the time, and this was 404 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:04,359 all covered upasically by local Democrats, county commissioners, county staff. 405 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:09,599 Everybody was like giving her this shield because they didn't 406 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,519 want her to lose her health. Benefits, and so we 407 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:15,880 had somebody on County Commission that was not functioning and 408 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,759 somebody else who was not elected casting votes in her stead. 409 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,079 I'm not saying that Eleanor Norton is Eleanor Holmes. Norton 410 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,960 is casting votes. I don't think she actually can even 411 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,960 cast votes because she's just a delegate. But that's what 412 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:34,640 I remembered again long time ago twenty twenty through twenty 413 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,359 twenty two time frame. The field commissioner's report says the 414 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:43,119 HVAC workers had tried to solicit Norton two previous times, 415 00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,559 once in August, once in September, and they were told 416 00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:47,640 to leave both times. 417 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: So what is going on here? 418 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,839 Speaker 2: That sounds to me an awful lot like she's gotten targeted, 419 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,720 like for some reason for I don't know why. It 420 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:04,039 could be though that in the previous visits to the 421 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,000 house when they have spoken to her, they thought this 422 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,599 is a woman that is an easy mark. She's elderly, 423 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,400 she doesn't seem completely all there, and so we can 424 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,960 take advantage of this because she's not in charge of 425 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,519 the maintenance of the house. So if we show up 426 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,160 and say we're here to do this cleaning, she's just 427 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,759 gonna let us do it, and she's gonna. 428 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: Give us the money or maybe state actor. 429 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: Right, because they didn't steal anything from the house, which 430 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,240 is kind of odd for like a theft ring to 431 00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,039 not steal anything except her credit card number? You know, 432 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,680 did they do anything else while they were there? 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So the delegate from Washington, DC to the 455 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,119 US House, Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton, not a voting member 456 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,599 of the US House. She's eighty eight years old. She 457 00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:09,720 was victimized by some scammers who gained entry into her 458 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:14,640 house the other day posing as h VAC cleaners and 459 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,400 fireplace cleaner, and then they somehow got her credit card, 460 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720 you know, to pay for the service that they actually 461 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,039 did not do, and they ran up a charge of 462 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:31,000 like forty four hundred dollars. Police were called after Holmes 463 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:37,079 apparently called her her house manager, the person who takes 464 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,000 care of this house that she lives in. She has 465 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,920 somebody that manages all of the affairs for her home, 466 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:50,559 and that woman's name is Jacqueline Pelt. She apparently called Pelt. 467 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440 Pelt looked at the ring doorbell camera and said, no, 468 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,799 these aren't legit called the cops. 469 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,599 Speaker 1: They called the cops. Cops showed up, they. 470 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:03,079 Speaker 2: Filed a report, and in the police report, the cops 471 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,960 say Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton, eighty eight years old, black woman, 472 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,799 suffers early stages of dementia. 473 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,599 Speaker 1: That's what they. 474 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:16,279 Speaker 2: Said in the report. And Norton's office is very upset 475 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:21,880 about this, okay, saying the medical diagnosis included in the 476 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,759 police report was based on an assumption that the reporting 477 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:33,279 officer was unqualified to make. Okay, maybe, but do you 478 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,480 need qualifications to identify that somebody may be in the 479 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:46,680 early stages of dementia? And honestly, law enforcement officers do 480 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,440 have experience dealing with people who have early onset dementia 481 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:57,079 and other dementias. How do I know this Well, I 482 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,279 have been in media for almost three decades now, and 483 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:07,240 law enforcement is almost on a daily basis sending out 484 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,799 notifications to the media looking for help in getting the 485 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,799 word out that somebody has wandered off. 486 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: Right. 487 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,279 Speaker 2: You see the reports all the time, you get the 488 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,599 silver alerts on your phone. I mean, if you're you know, 489 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,799 a good person. 490 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,759 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I think it just comes. It just comes, 491 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:29,039 whether you're a good person or not. 492 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,039 Speaker 2: Like everybody gets them, So you get these alerts and 493 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:35,720 so law enforcement is out there looking for the people, 494 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,480 and then you know, we'll get notification, thank you very 495 00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:42,480 much for your help, the person has been located. Okay, 496 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,839 well what does that mean. It means that law enforcement 497 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:49,440 usually has found the person and now they are talking 498 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,880 to that person. And they do this again on an 499 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,359 almost daily basis. So not every cop obviously, but you know, 500 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,200 for our there's always somebody that's gone missing and then 501 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,880 has found law enforcement is talking to that individual. So 502 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,759 they actually do have some experience talking to people who 503 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:17,799 are suffering from dementia. And this is not a mockery 504 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,559 of Miss Norton. Again, like I have been a supporter 505 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,920 of the Alzheimer's Association for thirty years. I just got 506 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,839 done with one of our walks to raise a bunch 507 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,279 of money. Thank you everybody who donated as well. It's 508 00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:36,559 an awful disease. Dementia is terrible, but it's also disqualifying 509 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,799 to be an elected official if you cannot remember things precisely. 510 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,880 For this reason, because this cleaning crew scammers. They could 511 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,400 have been just criminals, but they also could have been 512 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,319 something else, and we're not too sure what they might 513 00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,359 have been up to. They only took her credit card 514 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,880 number and maybe her driver's license number, but we don't 515 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,319 know if that's all their intents were, Like, they could 516 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:09,920 have also planted bugs. 517 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if. 518 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: She's got somebody asked about security clearances. I don't know 519 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,240 if she has anything like that. But to compromise somebody 520 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,640 who's a member of the body, that's a pretty big deal. 521 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:28,599 So I don't agree with her office saying that the 522 00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:35,039 medical diagnosis was based on an assumption the reporting officer 523 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,000 was unqualified to make. Well, I don't know what that 524 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,200 assumption was. What's the assumption the officer was operating under. 525 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,880 They don't tell me. Now. Maybe there was some assumption 526 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,680 the officer made that is not accurate. More than likely 527 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,039 it was in the conversation he was having with Norton. 528 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,200 The spokesperson declined to say whether she has had any diagnosis. 529 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: Hmm. 530 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: If you're gonna come out and say that the cop 531 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,720 made an assumption that he shouldn't have made, he's not 532 00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:12,160 qualified to make that assumption or make that diagnosis, or 533 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200 not qualify to say what he said in the report, 534 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,200 I would think it's incumbent upon you. Then to say no, 535 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,000 she has not had any diagnosis of dementia, but when 536 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,799 asked does she have a diagnosis of dementia, you won't say. Well, 537 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,640 that kind of tells me that she does. 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