1 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome back to Get Out Alive. Thank you 2 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:21,559 all for being so patient as I took a break 3 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:24,399 to get married, and thank you all so much for 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,559 sending congratulations and kind words. And I just wanted to 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,239 wait a bit to come back because I wanted to 6 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:35,399 refresh the podcast. So we've got some great guests coming up, 7 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:37,719 including a literal dream guest that I never thought I 8 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:41,560 would ever get a chance to talk to. All Right, 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,439 way to come in before, I was gonna give you 10 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:45,119 a cute fine Nick's here. 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Nick. Those I'm the man, You're. 12 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: The man of this operation. I'm the woman. So I 13 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:56,799 wanted to get back, like the first few episodes, back 14 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:59,640 into more like classic Get Out of Live episodes on 15 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:02,119 a T I guess this episode. 16 00:01:01,719 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: Isn't very not super classic. 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Traditional of ours, but also in a way, it's within 18 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:08,920 the lines, it's in the realm. We talked about people 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,000 getting messed up by something that we both mutually hate 20 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:13,400 the famously. 21 00:01:13,159 --> 00:01:15,239 Speaker 2: Hate them, chimps chimpanzees. 22 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:19,719 Speaker 1: So today we are beginning our coverage of the HBO 23 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:24,359 documentary chim Crazy. Per so many of your recommendations, I 24 00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:26,200 had no idea what this was. So many of you 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,040 asked us to cover it, though I can't even cite 26 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,680 one person because so many of you have asked to 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:30,799 hear our opinions and we have. 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: A lot of them, and I did not have any 29 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:35,439 requests coming to me, So I knew nothing about this before. 30 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: Don't give out any social media No. 31 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:39,599 Speaker 2: No, that's good. Yeah, I'm not complaining. No, I'm saying 32 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,200 like I went in like blind blind. 33 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:44,079 Speaker 1: I tried to purposely not know anything about this before 34 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:46,079 we watch because I just knew it was chim crazy. 35 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,640 And then a picture of a lady with a lot 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,159 of plastic surgery and a chimp. But I was like, 37 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:54,400 this can't be good, and it's good so far, We're right. 38 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:56,480 It's not well, it's awesome, it's good. 39 00:01:56,319 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: It's really good, but also not good horrible. 40 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. So before we start reviewing the documentary, as is 41 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:04,599 the Newish tradition, we're going to read a review as 42 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:05,680 a thank you to all of you who take a 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,120 moment to leave us a five star review on Apple 44 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,319 Podcasts or podchaser Nick. 45 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,199 Speaker 2: This episode's review is from Apple Podcasts from September twenty first, 46 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:18,919 twenty twenty four from Jersey Girl in Vermont. She wrote, 47 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,520 just found this podcast and I'm really enjoying it. Well, 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,199 thank you, Jersey Girl. I appreciate that. Thank you. I 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,800 know we have a lot of big fans out there. 50 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,120 I am kind of a big deal, you know. I 51 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:30,199 had to take some time off to Papa Roster's coming 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,400 after me. But I just know that the sports out 53 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:35,520 there is really nice. Didn't miss me. 54 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people have been asking for you, so yeah, they're. 55 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: Going to get the full fill today. No, I'm on 56 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,800 that app all right, subscribed, not off the street. It's important. 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,599 It actually two been three months together. Was paying the ass. 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,439 Speaker 1: Also, as I teased on our Instagram, we have new 59 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:52,039 merch with our new logos. We've got a unisex T 60 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:54,759 shirt and a unisex crew neck. I've got a small 61 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,759 in the crew neck which I'm currently wearing. If fits 62 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:57,879 me perfectly. I love it. 63 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a double excel. 64 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: I bought I well because it was U and sex. 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,000 I wasn't sure if the T shirt was going to 66 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,879 be small or big. I've been losing weight, okay, well, 67 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:09,599 so the T shirt's good point are a little big. 68 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: They run a little big, little bit, just a little bit. 69 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: So if you think that you're between two sizes, order 70 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,159 the smaller one probably yeah. 71 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's kind of hard to say, like 72 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,840 that double ex cell is big, so I can't even 73 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,439 recommend like I'm usually an excel Like I'm usually like 74 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,800 I need like a long large really, but I like 75 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,719 using an excel. I have no idea short as well. Yeah, 76 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:28,080 and I got a long to ourself. I got no 77 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:30,879 idea what kind of sizing it's it's gonna be for men, 78 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:31,560 no clue. 79 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,919 Speaker 1: So recording this around my dogs is tough when one 80 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:37,240 of them starts chewing a phone as soon as we 81 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,599 start recording. So if you hear crunching, that's what that is. 82 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is back to the classic geos, so we're. 83 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: Good, well classic geo. 84 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:47,879 Speaker 2: That's pretty smooth with it. Yeah. 85 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Also, thank you to everyone on Patreon who gave their 86 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,840 input on what colors that we should make available for 87 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,120 the T shirts and crens. 88 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,919 Speaker 2: What one? I mean there's a lot of colors. Oh, 89 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,319 I mean, I'm assuming that they voted on it, right. 90 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: Well kind of Yeah, people mostly wanted like orange and 91 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:03,240 also green. I'm gonna mess around with the green. So 92 00:04:03,319 --> 00:04:05,039 by the time this comes out, they'll probably be Green. 93 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:09,319 So this docuseries is called Chimp Crazy. It's on HBO 94 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,719 Max and it's directed by Eric Good, who is the 95 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,520 same guy that directed Tiger King, and that comes through 96 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:15,240 for sure. 97 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, big time, big time, good storyteller. 98 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: Honestly, the music is great, the colors are great. The 99 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,920 way that he like cuts obviously it's not just him, 100 00:04:22,959 --> 00:04:24,439 it's like a whole team of producers and stuff. But 101 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,399 the way that they cut between things is also like 102 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:27,519 expertly done. 103 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: Has to be like, the editing team has to be 104 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:31,720 the exact same people because they're really good at making 105 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,680 you feel like you discovered stuff when really there's like 106 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,319 setting up for you. 107 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:35,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. 108 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: Then they get it almost like an investigory, investigatory thing. 109 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so investigatory. 110 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:41,319 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but then they say like like like like 111 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,879 sneak stuff in where it's like, oh, you'll notice this 112 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:45,160 that I was telling you. It's really cool. 113 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. We also watched it twice and it was really 114 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:49,160 nice watching it the second time. 115 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: Oh my god, the drama we've made connections. Oh god, 116 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,480 that drama. 117 00:04:52,600 --> 00:05:03,079 Speaker 1: Get into it. So we're going to cover this episode 118 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:07,040 by episode. This is episode one of the documentary and 119 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,240 we are going to release the other episodes on Patreon. 120 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:12,800 Hell yeah, so episode one is titled monkey Love, which 121 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,600 we already have a problem with considering that chimps are 122 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,720 the lnkeys. Oh yeah, no, oh well that too. 123 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: That's well, yeah, there's a lot of well not a lot, 124 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:20,480 but there's some beasts there. 125 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: There's like some weird yeah, so I guess just a 126 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,439 warning for that. 127 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,079 Speaker 2: So yeah. Yeah. 128 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:28,199 Speaker 1: We start by seeing a woman who we later find 129 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:30,800 out is Tanya Haddocks, and she is describing how when 130 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,160 you adopt a monkey, the bond that you feel with 131 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:35,199 them is more deep than if you were to give 132 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,439 birth to a human child, continuing on to say, because quote, 133 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,319 chimps don't grow up and join a community like human children. 134 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're totally dependent on you and only you, 135 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,480 and you have to take care of them forever, which 136 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,279 is any pet. But also yeah, but if you know, 137 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,480 pets live for forty years, sixty. 138 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,759 Speaker 1: Years, yeah, around forty years. 139 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: I was on an animal podcast like two years. I 140 00:05:57,519 --> 00:05:58,199 have no idea. 141 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: Well that shocks no one. 142 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: That has been so true, so true. 143 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: But also if you know anything about chimps, you know 144 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,920 that they literally grow up to be in a community. 145 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,040 But yeah, sure. 146 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's an idiot. 147 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that and many other reasons. But Tanya also 148 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,319 describes herself as the quote Dolly Parton of chimps. 149 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: If you see one photo, you don't know why. 150 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of classic surgery. 151 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:22,199 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like it's really interesting because like 152 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:25,160 they kind of show like snippets of her throughout the years, 153 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:28,639 and she changes a lot. Yeah she does. It's creepy. 154 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,399 Speaker 1: So she's also seen at the beginning with a like, 155 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:33,879 as she's talking about this, with a small black baby 156 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,959 monkey that you cannot convince me is not Ai. 157 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:38,079 Speaker 2: It looks really weird. Yeah, but I think it's the 158 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:39,279 same monkey is on her lap for a lot of 159 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:39,839 the interviews. 160 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:41,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it does not look real to me. 161 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:44,680 So she also says that chimps are better than owning 162 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,720 capuchin monkeys, So like the smaller monkeys that I would 163 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:50,199 say typically more people probably have because they're more easily manageable, 164 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:54,120 because you can quote shape chimps into you. 165 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: I know, no you cannot. 166 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: So we're gonna get back to Tanya in a bit, 167 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:00,120 but for now, let's move on to another character in 168 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,360 this documentary. So we then go on to meet Pam 169 00:07:03,439 --> 00:07:06,600 rose Are, who said at seven years old, she decided 170 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,959 she wanted to be the world's most famous chimp trainer. 171 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:11,399 And she also came from a family of circus people, 172 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,959 so it like, I guess that was a reasonable goal 173 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 for her to have at all time. 174 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:16,439 Speaker 2: It just like into it. 175 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and as the recording of this series, she is 176 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:24,560 still training chimps and performing. She also said chimps have 177 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:27,759 ninety eight point four percent human DNA? 178 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:28,639 Speaker 2: Is that true? 179 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: Which I of course had to look up. I mean, 180 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:33,160 the way that she worded it, it's like, well, it 181 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:35,360 came through the same common ancestors. I mean that they 182 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,959 have our DNA. But I found an article from twenty 183 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:40,920 twenty three that said that statistic of us sharing that 184 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,959 much DNA with chimps is from a two thousand and 185 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:46,879 five study. As you can imagine, science has progressed. Yeah, 186 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:50,120 and the study was a single protein to protein comparison 187 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:52,720 before the chimp genome was fully sequenced. 188 00:07:52,839 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: Oh no, shit, Yeah. 189 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:57,759 Speaker 1: So a twenty eighteen study performed by an evolutionary geneticist 190 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,360 did a one to one analysis of human chimp nucleotides 191 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,839 and said, quote, the percentage of nucleotides and the human 192 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:07,000 genome that had one to one exact matches and the 193 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:10,600 chimp genome was eighty four point three eight percent. Still 194 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:13,600 still a lot, but not as much. No, but other 195 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,560 studies have since claim that we share some percentage between 196 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,480 like the eighties and the nineties range of similarity. But 197 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,959 it all depends on what method of sequencing that you're using. 198 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:23,519 Speaker 2: Okay. 199 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:26,959 Speaker 1: Also, the point of this is, although we may share 200 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,720 a lot of DNA with chimps, we also share roughly 201 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,679 sixty percent of DNA with bananas. Yeah, and it's not 202 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,000 that like we are sixty percent banana and bananas are 203 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:41,440 sixty percent people. It's the quantity of shared DNA isn't important. 204 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:44,440 It's the quality of the DNA that is shared. So 205 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:48,600 there's a reason that we're talking on a podcast and 206 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:51,759 that chimps don't have their own podcast, you know what 207 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:52,120 I mean? 208 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: Do they not? I bet there's a chimp podcasts out there. Yeah, 209 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,200 but like well they said, I mean, it's all sign language, 210 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,960 so it's a little Yeah, it doesn't get all listeners. 211 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: That's called the video. Well, so anyways, Pam somehow got 212 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,039 a hold of a prematurely born chimp. No idea if 213 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,639 she was breeding them or what. But she said that 214 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:13,200 chimp wasn't doing well and chimps can't process baby formula. 215 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: No, they cannot. 216 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:17,879 Speaker 1: And thankfully for this chimp, Pam had just given birth 217 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:18,559 to her daughter. 218 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: So there's only one way this is gonna go. 219 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we paused it soon she said that, and I 220 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,360 was like, oh my god, yep, please tell me this 221 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:27,279 is not about to happen. 222 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: The secrets of events that happened with us the first 223 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,480 time we watched that crazy well it was. 224 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:35,639 Speaker 1: It was very funny on our Instagram if you follow 225 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,559 us and saw that story, it was us in real 226 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,639 time realizing what was about to happen. What happened was 227 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:46,919 Pam started breastfeeding this chimp while also breastfeeding her child. 228 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,639 So two boobs, a chimp on one, her human baby 229 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:51,480 on the other, and. 230 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: Her husband just standing there like wow. Yeah. 231 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:56,399 Speaker 1: That was the expertly cut moment where it cut to 232 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,759 her husband. He went, yeah, so said, I think you said 233 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:02,519 a quote like I walked in she had a chimp 234 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:04,159 on one booby and a baby on the other. 235 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. The word yes, go booby was a picture of boobs. 236 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:09,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was shocking. 237 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 238 00:10:10,759 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: Also that's a really good point. I should have looked 239 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,159 this up before we recorded, but I thought there was 240 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,480 something out there about like chimps having fascination with like 241 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,679 human breasts. And there's a picture of Pam topless in 242 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,440 the documentary surrounded by like four or five chimps. 243 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,159 Speaker 2: I mean, isn't it like, I don't I don't know this. 244 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,879 It isn't like a thing where they tear each those 245 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,440 gentles off, like when they're fighting for mates. 246 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Yeah, like they're known to tear 247 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,840 also when they attack humans like that. Oh god, Yeah, 248 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,759 so that seems so insane. I mean obviously she's raising 249 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:45,840 and training them, so she thinks, yeah whatever. Yeah, she 250 00:10:45,919 --> 00:10:48,039 didn't have her breast ripped off ever, so clearly she 251 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,559 was like it was fine. But I just that's a. 252 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,039 Speaker 2: That was a choice. It was absolutely wild start to 253 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,039 this documentary. Yeah. 254 00:10:55,039 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: Also, like baby bottles apparently don't need them. 255 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,639 Speaker 2: That's kind of what I was thinking, to can pump 256 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,200 and feed with that, Like I feel like that'd be 257 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,039 a little safer and healthier. Yep, for the you know, 258 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:08,399 what is the like quality of human breast book compared 259 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,399 to like chimp breasts? 260 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, so upon your request of asking this before we recorded, 261 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:14,679 I found a study from twenty sixteen titled Immunoglobin A 262 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:18,200 and Nutrients and Milk from Great Apes throughout lactation and 263 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,600 Long story, short quote, differences between human and ape milk 264 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,080 may lie more in bioactive slash immune molecules than nutrients, 265 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:30,360 which basically means, like nutrition wise, it's more or less 266 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:33,519 similar enough that it could pass between and like you 267 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:37,200 could still grow up healthily. Yeah, but the immune health 268 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,679 benefits that you get from your mother's milk is different 269 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,120 between a chimp and a human, Yes, because we are 270 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,159 fighting different diseases. 271 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that's the main. 272 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: Difference I think is that you're not getting the same 273 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:47,480 like immune. 274 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: Boost from it. Also seems weird to me. I imagine diet, 275 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,679 like the mother's diet is very important as to what 276 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,279 nutrients the baby's gonna get. Yeah, of course, Well, obviously 277 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:00,240 a human is not eating the same foods. Well this 278 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:03,440 show anyway, like they shouldn't be eating the same foods, 279 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,159 Like there's no way that she's giving the right nutrients 280 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,639 these Oh no, we never learn the chimp's name. We 281 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,559 never learn if the chimp is survives, it's yeah, Orginal, 282 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:15,360 I mean it was you know, born early, Like it's 283 00:12:15,399 --> 00:12:18,799 not her fault, but like we never learned what happens 284 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:20,399 with this. 285 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,519 Speaker 1: This check so this chimp that was breatfed. 286 00:12:21,639 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they could have gone poortably wrong and 287 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,320 they just didn't acknowledge it. Yeah, yep. 288 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,759 Speaker 1: So moving on from that, that's kinda last we hear 289 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:29,720 from Pam in this episode. 290 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if she's gonna which is okay, she 291 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,000 just kind of introduces us to. 292 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:36,639 Speaker 1: How insane this world is. But yeah, so she Like 293 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,000 the most important bit of information that Pam gives us, 294 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,039 other than the fact that she breastfettered chimp, is that 295 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,759 someone named Connie Casey was responsible for seventy five percent 296 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:48,159 of the captive population of chimps in America, which. 297 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: Is absolutely fucking insane. 298 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, according to the people in this film. 299 00:12:51,799 --> 00:12:53,639 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we did not fact check that at all. 300 00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:54,840 I don't know how we would even be able to 301 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:55,120 do that. 302 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I don't know, because we literally only watched 303 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,039 episode one so far. I'm not sure if they cover 304 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,600 it in future episodes. But if you're a longtime listener 305 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:06,639 of this podcast or you've just like listened to earlier episodes. 306 00:13:06,759 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: Travis. 307 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: Travis the Chimpanzee, one of our most listen to episodes, 308 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,360 famously ripped off the face of Charlie Nash and Connecticut, 309 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,240 was born and bred in this facility. 310 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: The very first chimpanzee that that woman had. What's his dad? Yeah, 311 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,440 that's wild. 312 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: We'll get there in a second. 313 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: Thing wild. I'm sorry, I jump ahead. 314 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but it's okay. So, as of the filming 315 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:32,000 of this, Connie is the owner of Missouri Primate Foundation 316 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,399 in Festus, Missouri. However, Connie is a very closed off person. 317 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:38,039 You can probably imagine why. 318 00:13:38,159 --> 00:13:38,399 Speaker 2: Yep. 319 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:42,639 Speaker 1: So the director hired a fake proxy director who made 320 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,360 contact in July twenty twenty one with Tanya, the woman 321 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:45,960 I mentioned up. 322 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: Top, and this director of the documentary. You're not director 323 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,799 of Flake the Establishment. 324 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:54,399 Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, the director hired a fake director because the 325 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,279 director tried to get in contact with Connie and she 326 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,080 was like absolutely not. So she's like, oh, I'll just 327 00:13:58,159 --> 00:13:59,840 hire this new guy that she doesn't know the face 328 00:13:59,879 --> 00:14:00,639 of and lie. 329 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: So let's just acknowledge that right away. Like, that's a 330 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,679 little fucked up. But I don't love that. That seems 331 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,960 like shady journalist. 332 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:08,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does to me too. Also, this proxy director 333 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,240 is Dwayne Cunningham, who was a felon up. No, they 334 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,360 said in the documentary, Wow, I miss that he's a 335 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:16,240 fellon from smuggling wildlife. 336 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,759 Speaker 2: Oh shit, did I miss that? 337 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: How much wildlife you have to smuggle to become a felon? 338 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: We watched this episode three times? Did I missed that? Yeah? 339 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:23,879 Speaker 1: Well clearly don't. 340 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: Wow, I'm assume one wildlife. Wait I think. 341 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: No, he smuggled like a ton of reptiles. So Tany 342 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,919 was originally a nurse and after her kids left her house, 343 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:43,960 she did a meet. She was like searching for I guess, 344 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,559 like connection, I don't know. And she did a meet 345 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:49,679 and great experience with a chimp at Connie's and said 346 00:14:49,679 --> 00:14:52,320 it was the happiest she's ever been. So she moved 347 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,480 on to Connie's property as a volunteer to help her. 348 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,919 So Tanya said she loves working with them because quote, 349 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,279 they never break your heart and don't grow up to 350 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:01,639 get a mind of their which is barely even true 351 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:03,440 for a domesticated animal, let alone a chimp. 352 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: No, just like even just to point that out as 353 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,240 a positive of having these things during life, it's so 354 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:11,600 crazy to me. Yeah, it's so crazy to me. 355 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:13,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like, don't get me wrong, Like I 356 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:16,480 completely understand having passion for animals, but to say you've 357 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:19,679 literally never been happy otherwise is crazy and definitely warrants 358 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,919 like at least a therapy session. 359 00:15:21,679 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: Or but like I don't have any pets on my own, 360 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,080 but like I want a dog who's going to be 361 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,600 like an independent breed and like be able to have 362 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,000 their own life and have their own thoughts and like 363 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,759 have their own personality. I don't want them on my 364 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:34,600 favorite personally any animal. Yeah, I can deal with two 365 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:35,639 of me. That's crazy. 366 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: And you know I understand, Like, you know, like my dogs, 367 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,480 for example, they're pretty chill and like when I want 368 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:42,159 to do stuff, they're like, yeah, sure we'll do stuff. 369 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: But they have their own personalities. 370 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:46,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, they do their own thing. Yeah, all right. 371 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:51,080 So Connie got her first baby chimp quote wild caught 372 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,440 from Africa, which means plucked out of the wild. And 373 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:00,519 this first chimp was Coco, and from here she started 374 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:04,080 breeding them and selling them off. And also when people 375 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,360 would buy chimps from her or just I guess have 376 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,600 chimps from anyone else, And when the chimps grew up 377 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:11,840 to become too much to handle, as is expected with 378 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:14,320 a chimp, they would dump them back at Connie's place. 379 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:16,519 Speaker 2: What else are you gonna do with it? The first 380 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:19,080 of all, don't buy the fucking chimpanzee. Well what do 381 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,919 you do with a chimp once it's full grown? You 382 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:21,559 can't handle it? 383 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:25,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, similar to us owning an alliator. There was not 384 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,039 a lot of foresight into what we were doing within 385 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:27,600 the future. 386 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:28,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. No. 387 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,039 Speaker 1: Once again, if you've been along, I'm not gonna go 388 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:33,120 into that story. But uh, I've had some things. 389 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,679 Speaker 2: So go check out the rivers in New Hampshire, Dad, 390 00:16:36,559 --> 00:16:37,000 stop it. 391 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: So before opening the nonprofit now known as Missouri Primate Foundation, 392 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:45,360 Connie and her husband owned the company Chimp Party, where 393 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,440 you could pay to have a chimp come to your event. 394 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:49,240 And this is how they made a lot of their money, 395 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:51,519 aside from the chimps that were on greeting cards or 396 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:54,919 in movies or commercials. And they said this was a 397 00:16:55,039 --> 00:16:57,039 venture so that they could raise more money for better 398 00:16:57,159 --> 00:17:01,039 enclosures for their chimps. But at one time Connie's facility 399 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,000 they had over forty chimps oh my god. One of 400 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,000 their chimps named Tonka was in movies like George of 401 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:09,880 the Jungle and Babe two, but as of the filming 402 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,319 of this first episode, he's been stuck inside his cage 403 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,200 for over a year, like inside because he had a stroke. 404 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,559 Speaker 2: That's so nuts to me, Like you can't bring him 405 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:22,400 out for enrichment or anything. It tame for a walk exactly. Yeah. 406 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: So in two thousand and one, Angela Scott, a woman 407 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,599 who's like pretty prominent in this first episode, started as 408 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,279 a volunteer with Connie, but she quickly started to realize 409 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:34,400 things were not as they seemed. For example, Connie's husband 410 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:36,920 Mike is seen in the documentary explaining that a chimp 411 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,440 quote didn't know what he was doing when he grabbed 412 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,440 a toddler's foot at an event. But as Mike is 413 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,759 saying this, there's clearly been major trauma to his face 414 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:47,759 that Nick and I clocked immediately and we were like, 415 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:50,599 there's no way that this was not from a chimpanzee. 416 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,160 And come to find out, it's because one day Mike 417 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,000 went into a chimp named Bo's cage, which you see 418 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:58,640 a picture of Bo very young at the beginning of 419 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,160 the episode, and Bow ran up to him and bit 420 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,559 his nose off, and Connie had to go in and 421 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:05,519 retrieve his nose to be reattached. 422 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: What a wild they have to go do? Yeah, take 423 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:09,960 up your husband's nose. Ye, and like he had a 424 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,680 scarf from like above one of his eyebrows diagonally across 425 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,359 his face down to the other cheek, and his nose 426 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,039 was just like. 427 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: You could tell gone. 428 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 429 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: A few years later, Angela noted that Bow quote died 430 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,240 of natural causes, even though he was a young chimp 431 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:25,799 at the time. 432 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: That's what kind of that's what causes. 433 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: Those Yeah, Well similar to Tiger King where. 434 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 2: They're like, oh they just died, got it? Yeah, I 435 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,359 gotta get a troublesome animal. Well, I just you know, 436 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,200 went to the farm. 437 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 438 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: So. 439 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,799 Speaker 1: Angela also reported that chimps not being used in these 440 00:18:39,839 --> 00:18:42,160 parties would just sit inside and do nothing all day, 441 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:45,640 and one journalist likened Connie's operation to a puppy mill 442 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:46,559 for chimpanzees. 443 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:48,839 Speaker 2: That sucks, I mean, that's just insane. I mean, how 444 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,480 how is that legal? I don't I don't think it 445 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:52,960 is anymore, but like, how the fuck was. 446 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:59,039 Speaker 1: I mean, there's not as well, especially like when she 447 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:00,839 first started. There's not new as many laws as there 448 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:04,319 should be even nowadays, like there's not great laws to 449 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,240 stop this from happening. 450 00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: I think we're getting better. 451 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that towards the end. But 452 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,559 another one of the chimps that they have is named Carrie, 453 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,759 and Tanya even said that this was one chimp she 454 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:16,960 wouldn't want to quote encounter. And this is also the 455 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,200 same chimp that managed to escape into town once and 456 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:22,480 was going up to people's cars trying to get in 457 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:28,079 and break into cars. Also on this podcast, I'm not 458 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:29,720 sure if you remember a few years back, we covered 459 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,880 a story about chimps escaping a facility in Missouri. Hi, Hello, 460 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:33,440 we're back. 461 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,079 Speaker 2: We have literally covered two stories lay to this already, 462 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,119 which I realized. 463 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: And we had no idea that this was like the 464 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,759 same facility. So Travis, the chimpanzee, as we mentioned, ripped 465 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:49,720 off Charlie Nash's face very famously. His parents, Susie and Coco. 466 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:53,079 So Coco was Connie's first chimp, escaped her facility in 467 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:55,200 two thousand and one and were running at vehicles and 468 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:58,880 Connie's neighbors. Connie and another employee pulled up and tried 469 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,440 to tranquilize the chimps, but the female chimp, Travis's mom, Susie, 470 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,960 was charging at a neighbor named Jason Coates, and he 471 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,880 actually shot at Susie three times and ultimately killed her, 472 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,079 which we covered in that story. 473 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: Yep. 474 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,319 Speaker 1: Connie said that the chimps had escaped through an unlocked 475 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:14,559 door and that the chimp was tranquilized before it was shot, 476 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:16,720 claiming that like the situation was kind of under control 477 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,759 because she tranquilized it. 478 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: How long does it take for chanklives take effect? A while? 479 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,279 Does it? 480 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,519 Speaker 1: So that will We've talked about this before too, because 481 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,839 you remember Harambe Haramee was shot. When the child turn 482 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,079 in his closure, it's because tranquiss take a while to. 483 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: Kick in, and you shoot it with the dart, it's 484 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,680 gonna freak the fun out, exactly. 485 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:33,319 Speaker 1: It's gonna freak out, so you don't know if it's 486 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,839 going to cause more damage. That's why he had to 487 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:40,319 be euthanized. Not his fault, so Jason said he saw Corney. 488 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: Oh no, I am I'm pro shooting Rambay in the head. 489 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,279 I've said this before, well, yeah. 490 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:47,799 Speaker 1: So Jason said that he just saw Connie stab the 491 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:49,440 chimp with a syringe, but like, obviously he had no 492 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,960 idea what was happening, and the chimp was charging at him, 493 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:55,160 so he felt that he had no other choice but 494 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,720 to protect himself and his He had a dog with him. 495 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,960 Oh wow, Yeah, that was trying to run towards the 496 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:01,920 chimps to be like what the hell is that? 497 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: Now there are things about this that are like kind 498 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,119 of like, why are you outside of your car with 499 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,160 your dog in a shotgun around? Well he was a neighbor, Yeah, 500 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,640 but why do you why are you outside of the shotgun? 501 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,880 Go inside your house? Because he had to go retrieve 502 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,119 the shotgun from somewhere, so like it's true, Yeah, but 503 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,559 I'm sure we covered that that story. 504 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: Well, so he did say like he was trying to 505 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,880 get to safety and when he went to a close 506 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,240 on the doors, the chimp, oh just missed grabbing it. 507 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,559 But his dog wouldn't listen to him. Oh so that's 508 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:30,720 why he was like I felt to yeah, yep, okay, however, 509 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,519 this is gonna make you incensed. 510 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: I love it. 511 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,279 Speaker 1: Jason was actually charged with felony destruction of property and 512 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,079 served thirty days in jail for killing Susie and missed 513 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,440 the birth of his first child serving his sentence. 514 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: Fucking way, yeah, pieces of shit. Yeah, she put she 515 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,920 pressed charges, Hang on to it, hang on Okay. So 516 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,839 what charges to Connie get for allowing her wild fucking 517 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,640 animal to escape. That's a great question. You know that 518 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,240 animal that was captured. Both of these, both of these 519 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,799 animals captured from the wild. Zero zero zero flug reperussions. Well, 520 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,119 just lend the walker. Let's get into the repercussions. Absolutely 521 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:05,799 fucking insane. 522 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: Although I do want to say in twenty twenty, there 523 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,119 were two more escapes, one where a neighbor found a 524 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,519 chimp in her living room. She just walked out her 525 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:14,440 living room, there's a chimp in there, and she managed 526 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,519 to scare it off. And then another instance, two chimps 527 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:21,079 escaped from an unlocked door on August ninth of twenty twenty. 528 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:24,559 Both chimps, a male and female, were tranquilized and brought back, 529 00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:27,359 but it was reported as staff member quote suffered minor 530 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,319 injuries but refused medical treatment, which I think was Tanya. 531 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 2: Oh no shit. 532 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Angela, going back to the volunteer decided to 533 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,319 report Conye to PETA when Connie changed Chimp Party to 534 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,119 her nonprofit. But nothing about the facility changed, it's just 535 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,240 the name changed and the like quote unquote mission behind it. 536 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,400 So PETE sued Missouri Primate Foundation for being in violation 537 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,720 of the Endangered Species Act. So there's one piece of 538 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:57,200 legislation that might come in handy here. But it's worth 539 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,119 noting here though, that Tanya joined Connie after the lawsuit, 540 00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:04,960 so like she knew things were going poorly and decided 541 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,640 to stay. Not only stay, but she wanted to make 542 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,960 the changes that PETA wanted. And she also asked Connie 543 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,039 to like sign the chimps to her so that the 544 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,720 lawsuit would go away if the chimps were no longer 545 00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:20,119 quote unquote and Connie's possession. But PETA just added her 546 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,359 to the lawsuit in twenty nineteen. 547 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a stupid idea, Like why the fuck 548 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,279 would they not consider the lawsuits their conditions are the same, 549 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:27,640 Like they're just going to change the name on the 550 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,559 fucking top of the paper. 551 00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, like clearly has no experience. Yeah, also has no Tanya, 552 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:36,799 no chimp experience, no z. Yeah, she was a nurse 553 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,759 before coming to Connie's. So she had never worked with 554 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,400 chimps or other animals in any sort of. 555 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,519 Speaker 2: She had been professional. At the time of filming, she 556 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,119 had been working with chimps for five years. Yeah, that's it. Yep, 557 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,359 that's fucking it. That's it. 558 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: So Tanya said to Connie around this time, quote, this 559 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:55,680 is America. These are your kids. The judicial system will 560 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,200 protect us, which are the famous last words. 561 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: Makes no sense, like kids screwed up in the head. 562 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,599 Do you have to be to think that you actually 563 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,720 have like illegal rights to these animals as a parent, 564 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:10,400 Like that is fucking insane. Yeah, and she meant it 565 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,359 like she means. 566 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,039 Speaker 1: That's also like saying like, oh, you can do whatever 567 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,319 you want to your kids. They're your kids. 568 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:17,039 Speaker 2: The system kit ticking way. It's like, well, yeah, they're 569 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,119 still fucking you could see exists. 570 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:23,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Tanya claimed she put half a million dollars 571 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,559 into updating the facility. Pet says that she just like 572 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,279 put up some new hammocks and painted the walls and 573 00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,559 floors like Neon colors. 574 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: So I'm not like totally hardcore against every single thing 575 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,680 about the sobject. They every really cool, like caged an 576 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,359 area that. 577 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,519 Speaker 1: The outdoor part looks pretty, but the. 578 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 2: Cages that they live in are just sad. Yeah, just sad. 579 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: Well, they'll never be what they should be. 580 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: Oh no, exactly. Yeah that one place, oh my god. Yeah, 581 00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:51,960 So did you ever look up where that was or 582 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,559 really want to know? I didn't. Well through that out. 583 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it'll come up again. But so basically, 584 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,079 Tanya said that Peta never came back to the facility 585 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,480 to see their updates. But I honestly doubt that they 586 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,640 would ever allow Peter to even come back. I doubt 587 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,160 that they would invite Pete in correct. 588 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,039 Speaker 2: Also, why would Peter be the ones checking up? But 589 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,920 it would be like fucking government or being a government ideal. Yeah. Yeah, 590 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,559 Like I don't like everything they say is like, oh 591 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,640 like Peter, this Peter. That's like, okay, I'm not a 592 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,599 pro pea guy, but like they're not really he made 593 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,480 some points. Yeah, I mean they're just suing you and 594 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,519 then the government's taking over the rest of this, aren't they. 595 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,839 Like from my understanding, I'm not a long guy. Yeah. 596 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:27,440 So uh. 597 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:30,599 Speaker 1: Tanya also is seen in this first episode many times 598 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,680 giving the chimps McDonald's and power raids is that. 599 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:34,599 Speaker 2: What they eat in the wild. 600 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, they go foraging for McNuggets that are up in 601 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,319 the trees in Africa. 602 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure would they get over there. 603 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: So as a result of this lawsuit, Peta wanted the 604 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,400 chimps transferred to this awesome accredited facility that was like 605 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:53,519 literally just a few clusters of islands, so the chimps 606 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,039 were not in cages. They're just on islands with other 607 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,319 chimps with like natural enrichment for them. 608 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this was somewhere in Georgia. But it 609 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,119 looked like amazing the fucking savannah. 610 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:06,839 Speaker 1: Fear in your eyes, you said. 611 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: Hit that? 612 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,559 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah Africa. They live in forest in Africa. 613 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,519 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like the congo and shit. Yeah 614 00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:15,839 yeah that was actually yeah yeah oh yeah it looked 615 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:16,079 like that. 616 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean it didn't look exactly like that, but it 617 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,039 was close closer than her cages. 618 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: In Missouri if you mix like Georgia in that. 619 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. So originally Peter didn't even want the chimps necessarily 620 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,000 taken away from Connie if Kanye and Tanya could make 621 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,920 the appropriate changes, but they never did. 622 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:34,559 Speaker 2: Which, first of all, like Peter, that's unheard of, Like 623 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,119 usually their full bore, like fuck you, gimme all everything. 624 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,559 Speaker 1: Also, I mean they're saying that to this documentary, it's 625 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,279 entirely possible. 626 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: I'm assuming absolutely push to get all the chimps out 627 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,680 of there and just lost the case and settled on 628 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,079 like improve or lose them. 629 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: Like well, I mean, okay, so let's get into it, 630 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,440 because they never made these changes in this episode. As 631 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,640 the lawsuit is resolved, Tanya was found in civil contempt 632 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,799 and all seven chimps were set to be transferred to 633 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,400 that facility we were just talking about, and Tanya was 634 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,920 supposed to be miles away from the property as the 635 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,440 chimps were seized. Afterwards, like after the court was resolved 636 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,319 and she went outside, she told a news crew that 637 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,400 she loved the chimps more than she loves her own children. 638 00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:18,559 Speaker 2: How do you feel about that if you're one of 639 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:19,200 her kids? 640 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: Obviously awful? 641 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you know, your mom's crazy already, right, 642 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480 Like you're probably like, yeah, she doesn't make it, she's gone. 643 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: That doesn't make it any better. 644 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,799 Speaker 2: I'm just saying. 645 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: And the fact that she's telling like a news. 646 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: Crew, oh yeah, no, that's fine. Now that's she's crazy. 647 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,039 Speaker 1: And now it's a documentary on HBO that your mom's 648 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:38,640 actively saying she doesn't love you as much as she 649 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,559 loves these animals. Yeah. Anyways, classically, Tanya blames PETA for 650 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,960 taking the chimps and says it's quote PETA's orders and 651 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:50,160 made Snyde comments that they wanted the chimps sent to 652 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,480 a professional facility. Once again, Tanya has zero experience and 653 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:55,279 fed them McDonald's and powered. 654 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,559 Speaker 2: And they were lawyers or judge's orders. 655 00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:00,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know she's blaming PETO, but it's like Peta 656 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,799 is not the law. And she also said that all 657 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,079 of these PEDA lawsuits are quote cookie cutter cases, which 658 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,200 typically is how the law works. 659 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, usually the laws set out, you hope, pretty 660 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,039 straight and easy to follow. That way, when you don't 661 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,640 follow it, they can say, hey, fuck you give us 662 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,160 the chimps. 663 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,599 Speaker 1: Well yeah, like so she's saying, oh, Petera just keeps 664 00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,200 doing the same thing over and over. It's like, well, 665 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,440 it seems like people keep abusing and neglecting animals and 666 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,640 they're using the same laws that they have to use 667 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,960 to prosecute those people. 668 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy. 669 00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:34,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. She also tried to blame some of the chimp 670 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,400 escapes on Pita and said that, like people from PETA 671 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,319 came and release the. 672 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:40,119 Speaker 2: Chimps, which has happened before. 673 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,279 Speaker 1: Of course, you also noted as we're watching the documentary, 674 00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,240 they like there was one point where they showed clips 675 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:49,039 of PEDA protesters dumping manure in front of like I 676 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:50,200 think a circus. 677 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: Right, it was like in front of town hall or 678 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:51,920 something like that. 679 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you were like, where'd they get the manure? Yeah, 680 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,160 that's a great point. I mean they could spin, you know, 681 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,160 on the ground somewhere hanging out. Had to go a 682 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,960 farm for that, insane dude, Yeah, I did, I don't. 683 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,519 This is the this is not appropriate. 684 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,119 Speaker 1: And you know what, both Peta and Tanya and Connie 685 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:14,079 are clearly like want what's best for animals, but they 686 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,039 go about it and completely different. Correct, they are both 687 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:20,000 extremists on opposite sides. Correct kind of Well, I guess 688 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:23,359 opposite of Pete would be like hunting, but you yeah, yeah, 689 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:23,799 in this case. 690 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 691 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: So the seizure and move of the chimps was facilitated 692 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,200 by the US Marshals and local law enforcement, and the 693 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,720 film crew before the move set up secret cameras in 694 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:35,799 the property to watch the removal of the chimps, which 695 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,759 begs the question like why were there no you had 696 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,039 this many chimp escapes? Why were there no cameras in 697 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:41,920 the facility before? 698 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: Now you point that out. The first time we watched, 699 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,440 I was like Jesus Christ, right, like, yeah, what the fuck? 700 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: Why there are no cameras? 701 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,039 Speaker 2: We know why because there's probably wasn't anything you want recorded. 702 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,599 Oh that's true. 703 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, even only on the answer. You think it'd be 704 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:55,519 like a blink camera or something to even like notify 705 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:56,799 you that there's a chimp run around. 706 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: So do you know, like how this business making money 707 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,359 to support these chimps, like just donations. 708 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Or it must be yeah, because they were nonprofit. 709 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're not. She's not like taking pimping 710 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,400 out the chimps anymore. So yeah, that's a good point. 711 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,279 Speaker 1: Oh she only had seven left. 712 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: She only had seven left. And they're eating like in 713 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:19,480 the episode, they're eating good food, like they're eating qualt 714 00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:23,279 while McDonald's not fat, but the stuff that they would 715 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:25,160 actually give them, the fruit and like the meats, like 716 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,319 it looks like it's all fresh, looks good, Like that 717 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:27,920 makes sense. 718 00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: Part of the PA lawsuit is that they were being 719 00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,000 given like donation slash like scraps of expired food from 720 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,119 like Walmart, which. 721 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: I personally don't think give a shit about it, Like 722 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,359 they're the live like they're fucking chimpanzees. Yeah, you're giving 723 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:42,599 them McDonald's still, like they can live off of a 724 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:43,759 fucking expired tomato. 725 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:48,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like I guess, but I think that's also 726 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,359 kind of like harkens back to Tiger King where Joe 727 00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:53,799 Exotic was just taking like expired like hamburg from Walmart 728 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200 and giving that to like wolves and stuff. Well that's 729 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,839 not you know what I mean, right, And of course, 730 00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:00,880 like towards the end, as the chymps are being taken 731 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,160 away and they're like having the last night with the chimps, like, 732 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,119 of course we feel empathy for Connie and Tanya for 733 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,400 having animals that they love taken away from them, that 734 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,400 they raised for like thirty plus years. 735 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. I will never deny that, Like these women really 736 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,799 loved their animals. Yeah, I just don't think they were 737 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,160 necessarily doing the things they needed to to give them 738 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,559 the best life they could. Yeah, And which, first of all, 739 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,880 if you own a chimp, you're not giving it the 740 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,720 best life you can. 741 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,799 Speaker 1: So plucking it from the wild probably not the best 742 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,839 correct And like also, to be fair, saying that you 743 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,119 love something or someone like doesn't mean you could do 744 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:36,240 whatever you want to them and that whatever you're doing 745 00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:36,640 is right. 746 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: Plenty of people love something you let it go. 747 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:40,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, plenty of people claim to love other people 748 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,279 and then treat them like shit. So if you love something, 749 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:43,799 you still need to back it up by treating them 750 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:47,039 correctly and treating the thing correctly. So these gymps were 751 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:48,480 not treated the way that they should be or kept 752 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,640 in good conditions. I personally don't think that you could 753 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,200 say that you love something like that and keep it 754 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,759 in a cage for a year and a half, correct, 755 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:54,640 and not let it see the sun. 756 00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah. 757 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,319 Speaker 1: So even once the chimps were gone, we like through 758 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,920 those hidden cameras can see Connie sit down and just sigh. 759 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:05,759 And to me, it looked like she was like a 760 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:07,119 little relieved that this was over. 761 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: It seemed like a weight was off her shoulders. Like, 762 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,920 for sure, she didn't look happy about it, but it 763 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,400 was just kind of like it's done. It just seemed 764 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,839 like a finale for it. She's like, yeah, this part 765 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,920 of my life is over. Yeah, and it's kind of 766 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,000 a weird moment because if you can it is like 767 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,240 real for her, Like, yeah, what does she do next? 768 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:27,160 You guys, like you can feel that in it? Well, 769 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,519 it's I don't know, it's it's it's an odd feeling. 770 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: Well, what happens next? Is that not all the chimps 771 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:47,720 were taken because when officials came, Tanka was missing. No way, 772 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,559 all right, well that is our coverage of the first episode. 773 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,799 I'm assuming guys it's probably Tanya. We haven't watched episode two, 774 00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:57,799 but like, there's no way it wasn't Tanya that took Tanka. 775 00:32:58,039 --> 00:32:59,759 Speaker 2: If you have Max, I suggest you watch it. But 776 00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:02,680 it is wild. It is not a good watch. It 777 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,599 is a hate watch. 778 00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you watch it to be angry. Yeah, Like 779 00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,640 the quality of the documentary great, yeah, but like the 780 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,720 content makes you mad. 781 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like really shitty reality TV. You'll love it, oh, 782 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:13,200 yeah for sure. 783 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: And I love the people who have sent me messages 784 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,680 like thank you for watching this so I don't have 785 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,279 to You're welcome, and also all of you who recommended 786 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:21,599 we watch this. We're mad. 787 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,599 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to the fourth episode of this that 788 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,839 we do so we like recap all of it all together. Yeah, 789 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,880 I think we're really going to come around and there's 790 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,480 gonna be some some connections made you. 791 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 3: Think we're gonna come around to like like how well, 792 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:37,759 I think that we'll get into the Travis stuff. 793 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: I think it'll get into like a lot of the 794 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,799 other I think it's going to get into a lot 795 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:40,920 of it. 796 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,559 Speaker 1: If they don't cover Travis, that'd be crazy. 797 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: I mean there's still three more episodes. They've already taken 798 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400 the chimps and there's three more episodes, so it is yeah, well, 799 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,599 I mean, what the fuck is going to happen? 800 00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: One the chimps is missing, which begs the question was 801 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,559 that for the sake of this documentary or would that 802 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,200 have happened whether or not the film crew is there, 803 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:57,799 you know what I mean? 804 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:03,519 Speaker 2: So I don't I don't know. Yeah, it's it's hard 805 00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,960 to say because they put the fucking cameras up there. 806 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,360 Like it's the people who did Tiger King, which was 807 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,239 they kind of went off the original and. 808 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: Way from the Tigers and towards the. 809 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,679 Speaker 2: Murder correct, So like now it's what kind of case 810 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,360 can we make for this show. It's a little bit weird. 811 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,760 It's a little bit odd. 812 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,639 Speaker 1: So we'll see where it goes from here. But like 813 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,760 we said, so, we don't want to clog our feed 814 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,119 with just covering this documentary, so the other episodes will 815 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,159 be available on Ptreon if you're still interested and want 816 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,039 to listen along as we watch this. If you don't 817 00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:33,440 want to watch it and want us to do it 818 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,480 and tell you about how terrible it is, we'll do that. 819 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:37,639 Speaker 2: When are we gonna do it, We don't quite know, 820 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,440 but we're gonna do it. 821 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: We'll get to it, i'd say, like we've been doing 822 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,440 like every week. 823 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 2: We helly, I'm done. 824 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,639 Speaker 1: Yeah cool, yep, you'll see it on there nice all right, 825 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,760 and we'll be back in two weeks with like another 826 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,119 more regular episode. But for now you can find all 827 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,920 of our social medias in the episode description. Thank you 828 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,280 again so much Josh Walls for making our intro music 829 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,199 and Jesse his brother, for editing everything. This one was 830 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,440 a little bit of a doozy because our recorder cut 831 00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:02,679 just died in the middle. 832 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 2: It was very funny. I always made like a second 833 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,840 recording just for that whole thing. 834 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, and then yeah, check out our website. Get 835 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,440 ali podcast dot com for merch and other things. I 836 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,960 don't know what else I usually say at the end 837 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,000 of these. It's been a hot minute, but I appreciate 838 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,679 you all for hanging in there and being patient and 839 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:19,360 saying nice things. 840 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,519 Speaker 2: Yeah for me again. Oh hey, keep thanks to a 841 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:23,119 minimum please. 842 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,079 Speaker 1: Well, it's nicer to do it with a friend. 843 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: I didn't mean your hate mail. 844 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,159 Speaker 1: Meant the people saying oh yeah, okay, I'll stop emailing 845 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:29,800 you mean things. 846 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,079 Speaker 2: You just texted them, you'd say something. It's fine, We're 847 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:35,199 used to this. You can't hurt my feelings anymore. Don't try. 848 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,960 Don't try to shut up. Only back in. 849 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: Two weeks with more animal attack stories. 850 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: Bye.