WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:06.879 Oh geez, folks. 2 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:08.000 It should die. 3 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:11.279 People say good money to see this movie. When they 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:12.160 go out to a theater. 5 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:16.199 They want clod sodas pop popcorn in no monsters in 6 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:17.199 a protection booth. 7 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.199 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 8 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:20.879 Ut it off. 9 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:41.439 Listen. 10 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:45.200 Listen to the words of Anthony Perkins, one of the 11 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:47.159 stars who stand on the Beach. 12 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:49.799 Listen, listen. 13 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:55.799 Oh you don't know, Julian, You just don't know. He 14 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:57.719 didn't see a face when I told her, Sho, you 15 00:00:57.719 --> 00:00:59.600 don't thought I was a murderer or something. I know 16 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:01.240 I was was what I felt I had to do. 17 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.079 How do you tell a woman you love that she 18 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:09.400 has to kill herself and a baby. 19 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:11.959 If you never see another motion picture in your life, 20 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:16.239 you must see On the Beach, starring Gregory pet Ava Gardner, 21 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:20.040 Red Astaire and Anthony Perkins as the lover who faced 22 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:26.239 what no other lover ever faced before. You must see 23 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:30.400 you on the beat. You must see on the Beaty, 24 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:33.439 you must see on. 25 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:39.079 The Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host, Pike 26 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:41.760 White Jermy once again as mister Morrish bursh Sinski. 27 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:44.200 I'm just wondering how we're going to get through four 28 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.640 hundred bottles of sherry in this podcast. 29 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.920 Also back in the booth is mister Jonathan Melville. 30 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:51.920 They're still time brother. 31 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:56.159 This week we are taking a Patreon request from John 32 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.560 Adam with nineteen fifty nine's On the Beach, based on 33 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.319 the book of the same name by Nevill Shoot. It's 34 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.200 the story of a US submarine that arrives in Melbourne, 35 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:09.319 Australia after a nuclear holocaust in the Northern Hemisphere. The 36 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:12.039 radiation from the war has started coming south and the 37 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.039 people of Melbourne have only a few months left. The 38 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:17.479 film looks at a small group of naval officers and 39 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:21.280 their significant others during the last days. We will be 40 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.039 spoiling this film insofar as it can be, so if 41 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.479 you don't want anything ruined, please turn off the podcast. 42 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:29.319 Come back after you've seen the movie and or remake. 43 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.840 You have been warned. Jonathan, when was the first time 44 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:33.520 you saw. 45 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:34.000 On the Beach? 46 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.080 The original one? And what did you think? First time 47 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.919 was just a week or two ago. I actually bought 48 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:42.639 the Blu ray years ago. It came out in the UK. 49 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:45.759 I think it's Signal one. I think they're called or 50 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.960 Signature one. I bought it maybe five six years ago, 51 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:50.639 so it's just one of those ones that's been sitting 52 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.919 on the shelf. I'll watch it one day, and so 53 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.120 this opportunity came on to talk about it, so here 54 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:58.520 we are. And I did enjoy it, but I must 55 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.120 submit the first time I watched it, I did find 56 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.240 myself drifting a little bit. I think it's the fact 57 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.199 that the scenes are so some of them just be 58 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:08.360 like individual scenes that aren't kind of part of a 59 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.039 bigger narrative. And I think I was, like my brain, 60 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.039 I just wasn't quite engaging with it, so it took 61 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:15.960 me a little while to get into the style. And 62 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.039 then watching it again, I think it worked a lot better. 63 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.439 But yeah, yeah, I think I'm going to enjoy talking 64 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:22.759 about it and Morrison about yourself. 65 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.400 Like Jonathan and Iley watched it recently for the first time. 66 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:29.919 I think after you said, hey, want to join me 67 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:32.120 from this year from Melbourne, I'd like to get your 68 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.879 oppression of it. And I don't know if this was 69 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:39.280 a mistake or not. Bud, I read the book before 70 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:42.199 I watched the film, and I'm actually surprised that I 71 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.520 didn't read this years ago. One of my best friends 72 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:47.199 growing up was a huge fan of On the Beach, 73 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:52.680 and I think probably most Australian kids in high school, 74 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.360 not in my high school day or read through a 75 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.000 tan like Alice, which was the other big nevill shoot book, 76 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.439 over tons of them. Those seem to be the two 77 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:05.400 biggest ones known in this country. And yeah, so I'm 78 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:06.960 surprised I didn't read the book earlier on. 79 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.039 But watching the. 80 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:14.199 Film, the tone was a little bit different, and there's 81 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:18.040 one big character discrepancy which I know we're going to 82 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:22.120 get into later on in the discussion, and I felt that, 83 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:26.519 if not exactly put me off, but I was questioning 84 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.439 maybe the difference between the book and the film, and 85 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.120 I've found I was really absorbed in the book and 86 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:36.439 it's tone of maybe, I don't know if you want 87 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.600 to call it the banality of everyday life. After people 88 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.439 are aware they've only gone five months to live, are 89 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:47.560 they going to start destroying everything, which is something that 90 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:51.360 happens at the beginning of the two thousand version lawlessness 91 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:54.720 abides or people just going to pretend like, oh, it's 92 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.199 another day, And there was a lot more of that 93 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.399 tone I think in the book. I know we're probably 94 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:01.800 going to talk a lot more about the book later on, 95 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:03.600 but just one point I wanted to bring up, where 96 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.959 the Peter and Mary, the central couple played in the 97 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:12.600 film by Anthony Perkins and Donna Anderson. There's a lot 98 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:15.480 more in the book of them talking about trees that 99 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.720 they're going to plant in their backyard and gee, it's 100 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.000 going to look nice one year from now, and they 101 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:24.639 both know that there's no future. But there's something that 102 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:28.759 I found really intriguing in the book about this denial 103 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:33.879 of what their future is. And that's a common thing 104 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:35.920 amongst the characters in the book which drew me in, 105 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.439 and I feel that there's less of that in the film, 106 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.720 and it's doesn't that's not what makes it a bad 107 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.839 film or a good film or whatever. But after being 108 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:48.120 used to one thing in the book, I found myself 109 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.199 maybe a little bit raising of the eyebrow when I 110 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:55.360 came to watch the film, But that notwithstanding, there was 111 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.240 If I had watched the film first, I would have 112 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:02.399 basically thought that it's a very brave film to be 113 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.680 made in nineteen fifty nine. It's not the sort of 114 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:10.560 film that you imagine America or Hollywood is going to 115 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.360 make the end of the world. I know that the 116 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.879 book was very popular at the time, so it was 117 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:18.600 a golden opportunity for them to look into that. But still, 118 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.519 I think for a film that ends the way it 119 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.639 does inevitably, it was probably a very brave film for 120 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:26.959 Hollywood to come up with. 121 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.439 This was the first time launched. For me as well, 122 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.600 I had heard about this movie for years, heard about 123 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:37.720 the book. I didn't know about the remake whatsoever. Intels 124 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:41.480 it's starting to look into this and yeah, I'm excited 125 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.199 to talk about that as well as with some more differences, 126 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.560 because this is going to be a little difficult for 127 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.120 me as far as keeping everything straight between the book, 128 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.839 the movie, and the remake and or I guess I 129 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.360 should say mini series. It was a two parter, just 130 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:58.639 to make sure that I don't misspeak about what the 131 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.120 details of one or the other, because yeah, you're right, 132 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.720 they are very similar, but there are some crucial differences 133 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.519 and it is very interesting how they approach the material 134 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.079 so many years later with that mini series. 135 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.560 But yeah, the time between. 136 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.240 The book coming out and the movie coming out pretty short, 137 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.879 not just two years between, so I can imagine this 138 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.199 must have been a huge hit to be able to 139 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.439 just spur Hollywood to jump on that so quickly. 140 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.680 Yeah, I think that's what I'd read as well, was yeah, 141 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.480 maybe a year or two and all the more so, 142 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.839 I guess because Hollywood, are they going to really be 143 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.800 making a film about a country at the opposite end 144 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.600 of the globe, and who knows if they really understand 145 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:48.439 what Australia is like nowadays? Is imagine that if they're 146 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:52.040 going to be making a film outside of the American 147 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.279 board as, it's going to be maybe set somewhere in 148 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:58.480 Europe or in England or anything like that. Whenever it 149 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:00.439 was ten years ago, has it been? I think, Mike, 150 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:02.879 since I did my first projection Booth and the first 151 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.120 film that you invited me on to discuss was Waken Fright, 152 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:12.160 and both films not Australian produced. 153 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.879 There outsiders views of. 154 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.399 Waken Fright, But I know, having populated a whole bunch 155 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:23.079 of Australian film discussion groups on Facebook, that I think 156 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.240 most Australians consider Waken Fright to be an Australian film, 157 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:29.279 despite the fact that it was directed by a Canadian 158 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:34.320 and written by a Breast. But it really has that 159 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:38.360 flavor of what a side of Australian life was like, 160 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.240 whereas this is definitely a whole Hollywood film that just 161 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:46.679 happens to have been filmed here in Melbourne and surrounds. 162 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:50.200 And actually, that's one thing that I thought was peculiar, 163 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:55.279 given that at the time Australia had really just about 164 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:59.000 no film industry to speak of. The film revival was 165 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:02.440 still another ten years away. I was really quite surprised that, 166 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:08.919 for authenticity Stanley Kramer would bring his production to Melbourne, 167 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:13.399 because outside of Melbourne, who'd have known. So I had 168 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:17.000 something of a little bit of a squee moment all 169 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:19.759 throughout the film, just like I recognize that place I 170 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:24.879 recognize in the early scene with Tony Perkins catching a 171 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.600 tram down Elizabeth Street in the center of the CBD 172 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.559 making his way to Navy Headquarters, which was at the 173 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:36.840 time the General post Office Sarah and Melbourne hasn't but 174 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:42.799 nowadays it's a shopping center. But looking at Elizabeth Street, 175 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.559 how it looked then and how it looks now, there 176 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:47.279 are shops that are different. One of the shops that 177 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.480 they show in the film is one where my wife 178 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.080 Joanne worked for a brief period of times. They got 179 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:56.039 very excited seeing that. But you look down there and 180 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:00.159 you flint the street station in the distance and rest 181 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:01.440 of all is it the street And it's not very 182 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.919 recognizable to how it looks today. So I know that's 183 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.480 a little bit trivial sounding in a discussion of a 184 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:10.919 movie about an apocalypse. 185 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:12.799 You take what you can get, at the least I 186 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:14.120 did as a. 187 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:19.200 Non Australian and with another nan Australian here with Jonathan Jonathan, 188 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:26.679 how important or how impactful is the Australian ness of 189 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.120 this film, because I've got my opinion, but I want 190 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:30.080 to hear yours first. 191 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:31.039 Yeah. 192 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:33.799 Well, actually I when I was five, we emigrated to 193 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:38.279 Australia in Scotland to Brisbane. Oh we didn't last very long, 194 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:40.279 because you can tell by that accident. We only lasted 195 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:42.759 about a year. But then I went back again in 196 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:44.960 two thousand, I think it was two thousand, and I 197 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:47.679 lived in Melbourne for a little while. So I've been 198 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:49.799 down that street and I seem to remember there was 199 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.759 a quite cool little comic shot nearby where they get off. 200 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.360 The tram that's no longer there, unfortunately. 201 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:59.360 Well that was actually where our great friend Lee Gambin 202 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:03.120 worked for period at that comic shop where it moved 203 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.799 and was not very happy there. 204 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:06.279 But anyway dint of the story. 205 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.240 Yeah, so I don't know. I've got a thing about Australia. 206 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.519 I love Australia basically, and I love films and TV 207 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.159 from Australia. Waking Fright when that was kind of re 208 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.320 released and rediscovered, that was a huge thing for me. 209 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:21.000 And also I just remember years ago watching Siege of 210 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.879 pinch Gut, the Hammer film. I think that was filmed 211 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.600 in maybe sid is it Sydney, which is a fantastic 212 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:32.799 little black and white film. And yeah, seeing Australia on 213 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:35.720 the screen was interesting. But it is that kind of 214 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:39.159 the American view of Australia, isn't it. The accents? Of course, 215 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.080 there's not many Australian accents in there, and we don't 216 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.240 see too much of it. So I think it's a 217 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.159 mixed thing. I think it's great to have Australia on 218 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.120 the screen because there's not enough Australia, I think, on 219 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.320 the big screen. But yeah, just having some sort of 220 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.200 experience and being there, just seeing people on the bikes 221 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:00.480 at the start of the film, on their bicycles, I 222 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.120 did for a moment I was thinking, it's not really like, then, 223 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.399 or are they seeing of course the patrol has run 224 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:08.200 out and everybody's own bikes, and I think it was 225 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.240 the lots of It was a long time ago, so 226 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:11.639 maybe there were more bikes that they tell you. 227 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.159 But that's something that they made a big point about 228 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.879 in the book, how everyone had reverted to horses and 229 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:22.000 to bicycles because the shortage of petrol, So that. 230 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:23.360 Was very much part of the story. 231 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.519 I think there's someone in a suit to maybe a 232 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:28.240 buller hot that I saw, which is just it's a 233 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:29.320 very interesting visual. 234 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:34.200 Yeah, for me, I was interested in this being an 235 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:37.039 Australian story, but as I was watching and I was like, 236 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.120 does it matter that it's set in Australia. Could Los 237 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:45.840 Angeles or an American city have doubled for Melbourne, because yeah, 238 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:50.200 you're saying there's very few Australian accents. It took until 239 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:55.679 that scene where that guy is adderwalling waltzing Matilda. There's 240 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:57.960 a beautiful singer inside of the but the guy goes, 241 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.960 whoa that guy? Oh, I want to punch that guy 242 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.919 in the face. But it took until that scene for Andrew, 243 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.360 my wife sitting next to me, to go, oh, this 244 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:14.320 is Australia, and I said, you couldn't tell by Tony 245 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:18.240 Perkins's thick Australian accent. They just feeds in and out. 246 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.919 It's right up there with the great British accent that 247 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:23.000 Kevin Castner had. 248 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:26.799 I've got to say, probably the worst Australian accent that 249 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:32.360 I think I've heard on screen came from in Evil Angels. 250 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:38.080 Meryl Streep's Australian accent is shit. And this is no 251 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.399 disrespect of her as an actress. I think she's absolutely marvelous, 252 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.919 But yeah, Australian accent didn't work there at all. 253 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:47.159 Maybe the dingo wait your baby. 254 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:51.159 Australian film viewers we tend to be sensitive perhaps this 255 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:54.240 sort of thing. And I know that in twenty twenty five, 256 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:59.240 the whole notion of films being shot in cities that 257 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:02.320 they're not setting is no big deal. I know that 258 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:07.360 a lot of Australian locations are used for American films 259 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:12.200 or Canadian I know Toronto is a substitute for a 260 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.879 lot of American cities in the film, So this could 261 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.799 have been filmed anywhere, And to be honest, I'm surprised 262 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.879 if they got the budget to make this here. But 263 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.679 once again, as an Australian watching this, and as a 264 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:29.440 Melbourneite who loves seeing his city on film, I did 265 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.360 get very excited about that, but I thought I shouldn't 266 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:35.480 be making a big deal about what's probably the least 267 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.279 important aspect of this film. I will tell one more 268 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:42.519 story that I read and I absolutely loved. Over the 269 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:45.080 last few years, I've been spending a lot of time 270 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.960 with my mother watching old Fred Astaire films. It's something 271 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:53.519 that she absolutely adores, seeing his choreography and the dancing 272 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:58.080 and the musical numbers, and then to see him in 273 00:14:58.120 --> 00:14:59.679 this film with something special and I we'll get to 274 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.559 the act bit so, but one story I really like 275 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.399 when Aver Gardner comes to pick up Gregory Peck from 276 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:09.360 Frankston Station, which really does exist, and they shot it 277 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.000 near Frankston Station, even though he wasn't in the scene. 278 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.840 Fred Astair was on set and according to the newspapers 279 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.440 of the day, there was a crowd of people who 280 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.360 came to watch the actors and the filming and doing 281 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.799 their stuff, because to have these Hollywood actors in our 282 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:32.639 hometown was a big deal. So Fred Astare was there 283 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.039 on the set and people were calling a hey, Fred, 284 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.320 do us do a dance, Give us a dance, sing 285 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:42.000 us a song? And he actually did. I love, love 286 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:44.960 love that story. I mean, he just seems like he 287 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:48.120 must have been like a lovely fellow. But I'm superficial 288 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:48.480 that way. 289 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:52.759 The only reason too, I'm saying like Melbourne is very important, 290 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:54.960 as in city at the end of the world kind 291 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:57.759 of thing, end of time and of this whole era 292 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.679 for all of humanity. I think I mentioned in the 293 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.240 book christ Church might be a few days later, like 294 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.320 New Zealand's got one or two more days, and then 295 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.559 if there's any poor SAPs living down in Antarctica, they 296 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.600 might get like another week. But as far as this movie, 297 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:15.840 in this book, it is so much just about the 298 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:20.960 human relationships. It is just so centered on these five characters. 299 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.759 And for me, it's like it doesn't matter, You're just 300 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.799 interested more in the characters. So that's why I was 301 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.600 talking about the any city could have doubled for this city. 302 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.360 But I understand it was a very important event for 303 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:38.360 Australia and Melbourne, especially to have this crew coming in 304 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.399 and actually using local talent, quite a bit of local 305 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.039 talent from what I understand, and just trying to think 306 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.879 provided a little bit of injection into that idea of 307 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.720 having a film presence in Melbourne. 308 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:55.360 I know that days there are a few Australian character 309 00:16:55.399 --> 00:17:00.039 actors like John Tight and Lola Brooks who we see 310 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:04.000 and the Navy Office scene where Anthony Perkins first goes, 311 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.319 and the moment I heard them speak, I thought, oh, 312 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:09.799 they're so obviously Australian as opposed to Anthony Perkins, who 313 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:14.240 is so definitely not. But I found it really weird 314 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:19.640 that Australia's most recognizable of that era Australian actor was 315 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:22.119 John Mellion and he's playing an American. 316 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.319 Why after that guy is incredible? 317 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.400 For years I don't know if you coord any of 318 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.599 this while you were living here, Jonathan, But as well 319 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:36.240 as acting in the whole bunch of films, but for 320 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:40.119 about twenty years or so, he was the voice behind 321 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:44.079 a series of TV ads for a particular brand of beer, 322 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:49.480 Victoria Better, and the music was iconic, and you'd have 323 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:54.319 John Mellion basically talking over the music, talking about all 324 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:58.400 these particular activities that one could do to earn himself 325 00:17:59.279 --> 00:17:59.839 this beer. 326 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:05.680 How does it happen you're coaching the crew or printing 327 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:08.319 the news or straining. 328 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.640 Till you thought you would burst. You sure got a thirst. 329 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:16.480 Harden first needs a big cold beer, and the best 330 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:23.119 cold beer is thick Victoria bitter. You know how you're 331 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:27.720 treating their springs or fixing the trains, or trying too 332 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.200 hard to come first, You sure got a first. Hardned 333 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:35.799 first needs a big cold beer, and the best cold 334 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:40.759 beer is big, a long cold bick. It can come 335 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.880 at any time you're taking a bow or feeding a cow. 336 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:46.200 Matter of fact, I got it now. 337 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:51.799 Horn first needs a big cold beer, and the best 338 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.960 cold beer is bigger Victoria bitter. 339 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:01.759 John Mellian was a so that for like about twenty 340 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:05.079 twenty five years, tons of ads. It wasn't like the 341 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:08.039 one ad. He just just kept on coring, Hey, we've 342 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.599 written another series of rhymes for you, John, Yep, I'm 343 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:14.200 up for it. And that was. That's probably what he's 344 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.880 mouse known for. Not Crocodile Dundee, not Rider Wild Pony, 345 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.599 which was the very first wellt Disney film to be 346 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.000 made in Australia, not The Picture show Man. 347 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.359 It's those TV ads for beer. 348 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.480 I actually didn't recognize him the first time I watched it. 349 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.079 It was only when I watched it the second time 350 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.160 with the commentary on, I realized he was because he's 351 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:38.200 just so young and obviously with the American accent, which 352 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:40.480 was not bad. It wasn't the worst American accent. 353 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.720 No, I think that's better the cumber Batch and the Doctor. 354 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.079 Strange with this myself, just all these character actors that 355 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.039 pop up, guy Dorman, who is obviously huge, and things 356 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:54.680 like the Ebcress File and things like that, and I 357 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.359 think the Prisoner, I think he was an episode of 358 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.359 The Prisoner, wasn't he? And yeah, no, just seeing these 359 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.960 guys in the back just odds to the If you're 360 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:04.960 fond of Australian films, it's love wait to see. 361 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:07.960 The Other thing about the australianness of this all is 362 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.880 that there is a level of society that is going 363 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:16.599 on at this point where I think everybody knows that 364 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:19.839 they only have a limited amount of time, but they're 365 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:24.000 still very civil to each other and there still is society. 366 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.920 Like when we first see that street shot El Melbourne 367 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:31.640 with all of the people on horses, carriages, the electrotram 368 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.119 just going about their day. The one guy who's trying 369 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:38.000 to close the door of the vehicle that's open and 370 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:42.039 just keep Melbourne tidy type of thing. I don't know 371 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:46.960 if America was in the same position, I imagine it'd just 372 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.359 be blood running in the streets. I think it would 373 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:53.160 be way closer to the two thousand version of the 374 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:57.440 story than this nineteen fifty nine version. Maybe that's just 375 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.720 because of time. Maybe American nineteen fifty nine would have 376 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:04.839 been a little bit more civil, But I just kept thinking, oh, no, 377 00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:09.680 America couldn't handle running while knowing that there's only just 378 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:10.839 a few more months to go. 379 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:14.440 Yeah, watching it, that was one of the big things 380 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.480 that jumped out to me singly at the start of it, 381 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:20.680 was the civility and the just the way everybody's accepted it, 382 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:25.839 really that it's coming. And I'm also slightly changed, going 383 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:29.480 back to something Mike said earlier about focusing on these 384 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:32.279 sort of four or five different characters, and I think 385 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:36.079 that's what maybe caused me to be a little bit 386 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:38.599 distanced from it at the start, was because I wasn't 387 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:41.400 quite sure who we were really focusing on. And I 388 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:43.480 think it kept it would have quite a long scene 389 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.680 with somebody, and then he'd move to Anti Perkins and 390 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.920 it would be there scene, and then another character and 391 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.359 then it would do this all the time. And I 392 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.160 think I was maybe just expecting that kind of Gregory 393 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.000 Peck's character would be the hero. And again, it's all 394 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:01.960 just things I was expecting, you know, I'm not saying 395 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.440 she should have been, but and that he would just 396 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:07.079 be the through line in every scene. So that is 397 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:08.839 just something that I just picking up on what you 398 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:11.839 were mentioning about. What maybe yeah, just caused me to 399 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.240 pause a little bit and think, what what's happening? Why 400 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:15.960 are we getting so many small scenes? And it is 401 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:17.559 that thing of daily life though, And I suppose it 402 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:20.519 goes back to that of yeah, they're looking after the baby, 403 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:23.559 they've got to buy make the he's making the milk 404 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.720 in the morning for the baby, and yeah, all these 405 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:29.240 different things happening, and people are just so relaxed about 406 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:32.759 it all and whilst terrified inside of course. 407 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:36.119 Yeah, and just denying everything, like more So was talking 408 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.680 about earlier with the we're gonna cut down this tree 409 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:41.880 and we're gonna plant these flowers and isn't it going 410 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.200 to be lovely? And just everybody that we meet has 411 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:49.880 something that they are really denying assimbly. Other than Moira 412 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:53.119 the Avid Gardner character, but especially in the book, she 413 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:57.039 just seems to be the one who's most grounded in reality, 414 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:00.000 and she's just blitzed out of her mind the whole time. 415 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.200 She just drinks like a fish. And it's odd that 416 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.160 in the book at least there's this whole talk about like, 417 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.039 don't you want to get a job, don't you want 418 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:11.440 to have a skill. She ends up going and takes 419 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:15.039 like a stenography course and learns how to take shorthand 420 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:17.319 and all these things, And I'm like, what are you do? 421 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:20.319 Like maybe I would do something like that if I 422 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.160 only had a few months, Like maybe I would learn 423 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.920 how to play the guitar or something like that. But 424 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:29.559 I'm just like, what are you doing to her? Dwight 425 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.799 the Gregory pet character, Like what are you doing to 426 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:35.440 her talking to her about making improvements in your life 427 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.759 and getting your shit together because she's just going to 428 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:38.799 die in a few months. 429 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:40.480 But I guess that's giving you hope. 430 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:45.119 So this movie, for me, just presents this real interesting 431 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:48.079 philosophical question as to if you only have a limited 432 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.000 amount of time, what are you going to do at 433 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:53.519 that time? And how is society going to handle this 434 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:54.319 type of news. 435 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:57.319 Well, I suppose what did we do during the pandemic? 436 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:01.359 We're making banana bread and putting you on Twitter. We 437 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:03.759 didn't know where the pandemic was going, but we're all 438 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:06.519 just saying that on going. Hey, look, come learning any skill. 439 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.440 So maybe there's something in that. 440 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:09.880 Is I'll refer to. 441 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:16.279 The key difference between the book and the film, and 442 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:19.519 they take this even further in the remake is a 443 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:25.680 relationship between the Gregory pet character and the Ava Gardner character. 444 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:31.920 So between Dwight and Moira, and she basically feels I 445 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:35.920 need someone to hold on to. I'm going to seduce you. 446 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:41.039 And like the first part of the film, they're just 447 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.359 behaving as friends but trying to deny their lust or 448 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:50.519 need for human contact. And he goes and tells her, look, 449 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:53.920 I still have a wife and children in the US, 450 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:58.279 and that's just the way it is. But after he 451 00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:02.440 comes back from his submarine mission to the Northern Hemisphere 452 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.359 to determine if there are still people living, they just 453 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:07.839 fall into each other's arms. 454 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.200 But the charade. 455 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:16.720 Of him being loyal to his dead family goes all 456 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:20.319 the way through the book. Their relationship is never consummated 457 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.880 and not only that, but there's one part of the 458 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:28.440 book where he walks into a couple of department stores 459 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:32.720 to buy toys to bring back for his children. He's 460 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:37.000 going all out on this notion that maybe they're still alive. 461 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:39.480 I don't think he believes that they're still alive. But 462 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.839 if he lives his daily life like everyone else is doing, 463 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.599 then they don't have to think about the inevitable end 464 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:50.119 that's coming X number of months from now, And that 465 00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:53.119 tells us a lot about his character and the fact 466 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.960 that Gregory Peck and Ava Gardner's characters in the film 467 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:02.200 just decide, fuck it, we're falling into each other's arms 468 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:05.240 and goes with the rest of the film. 469 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:06.640 As a romantic relationship. 470 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.640 It just changes a whole lot about how we see 471 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.599 Captain Dwight. If you're a hopeless romantic and think that's 472 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.920 Hollywood got it right, fine and fair. But Neville shoot 473 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:23.480 hated that change, and even Gregory peckusonas Stanley Kramer, who 474 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:28.880 I understand was an issues filmmaker, said you can't bring 475 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:30.960 this romance into it. No, we need a romance. And 476 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.799 he's still a Hollywood filmmaker at heart. A nineteen fifties 477 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:39.279 Hollywood filmmaker, and I think that when I was watching 478 00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:43.119 the film after having read the book, that relationship was 479 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:47.240 the one really big thing that gnawed at me. Other 480 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.240 things that were different. It doesn't matter, films and books 481 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.359 are not supposed to be identical, but that character change 482 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:58.640 really chewed at me. In the nineteen to fifty nine 483 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:02.720 version of the film, the captain decides, right, my men 484 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.599 want to go back to die in the US, or 485 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.480 to die on the submarine on the way over to 486 00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:13.200 the US, but Australia is not their home, and he 487 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.240 goes with the ship, which is what a captain would do. 488 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:21.400 But in the final moments of the two thousand remake, 489 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:26.519 Amanda Santi decides, no, they want to go back, that's 490 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.599 their business. I'm staying around to be with this hot babe, 491 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.279 Rachel Ward. And the final moment is just seeing the 492 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.079 two of them fall into each other's arms at the 493 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.079 very end of it, after having lust filled moments the 494 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:43.000 rest of the story, and that just did not ring true. 495 00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:46.160 At least on the one hand, you might say, yeah, 496 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.759 I'm going to spend the last few weeks that I 497 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.400 have with someone who I can have some romance with 498 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.799 or some lust with or whatever, But what about the 499 00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.680 captain always going down with the ship. He's a military man, 500 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.839 bottom line, and anyone else. Yeah, I could have seen 501 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:08.440 them staying behind, but not that character. It just didn't 502 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.319 ring true to me. So yeah, there's a lot of 503 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.319 good things about the remake, and I'm sure we'll get 504 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.559 to that, but that non resolution, that was just not 505 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:19.279 one of them for me. 506 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.039 So, just for the folks listening at home, I just 507 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.119 wanted to go through these characters a little bit as 508 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.119 far as and got to help you if you haven't 509 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.200 seen the movie, because you're probably completely lost by now. 510 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.160 But just wanted to talk. 511 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.240 So we've got really for me the movie, and this 512 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.880 talks a lot, I think to what you were saying, Jonathan, 513 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:40.200 as far as these vignettes as we go along, it 514 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:43.480 feels like it really maintains the novel structure as far 515 00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:45.720 as we're going to spend some time with this person, 516 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.920 then we're going to move over here and spend time 517 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.000 with this person, and we just meander through these folks 518 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.240 lives and then time will jump a few weeks a month. 519 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:54.559 Kind of thing. 520 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.400 Now we join them again and see how they're doing 521 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:01.240 with this end of the world scenario. We've got Gregory 522 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:05.359 Pack as Dwight Towers, the commander of this naval vessel. 523 00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:09.400 It's called the Scorpion in the book. It's called the 524 00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.920 Sawfish in the movie of the first movie. At least 525 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.799 I think it's called like the Cherokee or something in 526 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:20.240 the remake. But I kept hearing the commenter on the 527 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.119 commentary version. I kept thinking he was saying swordfish the 528 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.200 whole time instead of sawfish, So I was like, did 529 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:28.519 they name it something else again? But anyway, he's the 530 00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:33.400 commander of that very straight laced, all American boy type 531 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.960 of thing. But for me, really the heart of this 532 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:39.720 movie is Anthony Perkins as Peter Holmes and Donna Anderson 533 00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.559 as Mary Holmes. And they're this married couple that have 534 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.680 a little girl, and so much of this for me 535 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.880 is the relationship between these two, and it feels like 536 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.880 Peter Holmes is the only character, maybe with the exception 537 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.839 of kred Astaire as Julian Osborne. He feels like he's 538 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.000 the only one that has a real I'll grasp on 539 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.920 life other than like I was seeing that Eva Gardner 540 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.279 character Moira Davidson. Now she correct me if I'm wrong. 541 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.680 But she's just a friend of the family in the 542 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.480 book and in the original movie, like she's not related 543 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:20.200 to Mary Holmes, but in the remake their sisters. 544 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.119 Yeah, if I recall correctly, I thought she was in 545 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:24.519 the book. Wasn't she? 546 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.200 It was John Osborn in the book. Wasn't she John's 547 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.799 cousin or something like that? And I have a feeling, 548 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:33.599 but it's been a couple of months. I don't remember 549 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:35.559 what I for breakfast this morning, never mind what I 550 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.880 read two months ago. But yeah, I have a feeling 551 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.359 that he was like a cousin to her and he 552 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:44.319 doesn't want to see her get hurt. But they changed 553 00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.519 that too in the nineteen fifty nine version, where she 554 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.599 and fred Astaire might have had a relationship at some 555 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.319 stage earlier on that didn't work out. 556 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.119 And I wasn't getting that in the book at all. Yeah, 557 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.599 because fred A Steer in this role, he looks old 558 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.400 enough to be her father. Not that I'm casting expursion 559 00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:08.640 that's on any grampy shaggers or anything, but that was 560 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.359 I was just like, Okay, yeah, I can't see them 561 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:12.960 being a couple at any point. 562 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:14.200 Ava Gardner. 563 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.119 Her performance got a lot of flack but I think 564 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.000 it's okay. She plays drunk a lot in this movie 565 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:24.559 because that's what she does. She just drinks and drinks, 566 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.279 and the use of her character, the use of Moira 567 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.839 in the book is very interesting because they bring John 568 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.400 and John Peter in the movie. They have a party 569 00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:39.759 at the beginning of the book where they're like, hey, commander, 570 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.440 you know you're here alone. 571 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.519 Why don't you come to our house. We're going to 572 00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:44.400 put on a little. 573 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.200 Shindig, And they keep talking about the last time they 574 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.599 invited somebody over, he just kept crying, and they want 575 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.839 to avoid this guest of theirs stop crying, so they 576 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.359 bring Moira along as a distraction, and then she's the 577 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.079 one who ends up crying, at least in the movie. 578 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:05.960 To Gregory peck once she really gets blitzed towards the 579 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.599 end of the night and really let's lose with what 580 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.559 she's feeling, and especially in the book, she talks a 581 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.799 lot about how she thought there would be time and 582 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.200 that she possibly wanted a family one day, but now 583 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.480 there's no time. So again really showing John Slash Peter 584 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.599 and Mary as being this idyllic type of thing, and 585 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:28.920 then you get to see inside of their relationship and 586 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.279 see that it isn't as perfect as it is because 587 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.440 she is in complete denial about stuff. 588 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.279 She says to Dwight to forget who she really is. 589 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:40.839 She doesn't like herself, and I thought that was a 590 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.319 really interesting point where it's just all these things are 591 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.400 coming to the surface on't it. We all these different characters, 592 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.200 which of course it would if you've only got days 593 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.839 or months last of your life, so you're going to 594 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.960 analyze yourself to death literally, But yeah, No, she's an 595 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:57.680 interesting character and she's fine. She was fine. I think 596 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:02.359 quite believes that relationship. But I was told too because 597 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:03.279 that was the film. 598 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.759 That's the most surprising thing for me is when you 599 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.920 find out that Gregory Peck still is lighting that candle 600 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.960 for his wife and kids, because do you think, at 601 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.240 least I think when I watched this, when I read 602 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.400 the book, I was just like, Oh, this is our hero. 603 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.920 This guy is going to be the one that really 604 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.240 takes charge, and that we get to follow and really 605 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:27.079 see how life outside of America is. This stranger in 606 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.240 a strange land coming in and then when he reveals 607 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.039 that he's like, oh, my wife's name is Sharon, I'm like, oh, 608 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.200 something's wrong here, and then the way he talks about 609 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:42.400 how his kids are this age and no war happening 610 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.400 at all, and then you start to realize, oh, he 611 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.880 still thinks they're alive, or still talks about them as 612 00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.640 if they were alive. And then yeah, that scene that 613 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.559 you're talking about, Morris, where he's going around to all 614 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.680 the shops and he's trying to find a pogo stick for. 615 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.599 His little girl. That's heartbreaking. 616 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.799 He's buying all of these presents for his kids and 617 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.599 you're just like, dude, they are not there anymore. 618 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.519 And that trauma. 619 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.960 Really comes out a lot more in the two thousand version, 620 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.800 but I don't know if it needs to be as 621 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.320 big as it is, and we'll definitely talk about that, 622 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.159 but yeah, just when we start to realize, oh, he 623 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.360 really thinks about this stuff, and the counterpoint for him 624 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.360 is like I said, Tony Perkins, but then also Fred 625 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.079 Astaire and the first time we see him, he's just 626 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.840 on this tirade. 627 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.000 About how the world is and what happened. 628 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.239 It wasn't an accident. 629 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.320 I didn't say that. 630 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.679 It was carefully planned down to the tiniest mechanical and 631 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.599 emotional detail, but it was a mistake, and it was 632 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:51.599 a mute In the end, somehow God at the time 633 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:54.719 for examination, we shall find that our so called civilization 634 00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:00.199 was glodiously destroyed by a handful of vacuum tubes and transistors. 635 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:02.960 That's the thing I like too about the book and 636 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:07.800 also with this movie, is that there's no backstory as 637 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.440 far as oh, the Americans did this and the Russians 638 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.840 did this, and it's just a whole matter of we 639 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.800 don't know what's going on. Like I think Osbourne in 640 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.559 the book has a whole theory about how Russia has 641 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.400 no seaport and it wanted Shanghai, so it ends up 642 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.840 bombing Shanghai with this coule bolt bomb that I don't 643 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:27.480 know if it's supposed to have more of a half 644 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:28.920 life or less of a half. 645 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:29.960 Life, or how that's working. 646 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.760 But he just has this whole theory and then everybody 647 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.360 else is like, no, nobody knows what the fuck happened. 648 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.079 And that's what I kind of like, is that they're 649 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.719 living in reality where there was no news service. It 650 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.079 happens so quickly that nobody knows and the only person 651 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.239 that might possibly know what was going on was a 652 00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.199 guy who was trapped in a submarine, however, many hundreds 653 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.039 of feet below the water, and he was just as 654 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.400 clueless as everybody else. 655 00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:01.960 I like how Osborne's character fred Astaire's approach to him, 656 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:06.639 but is quite better. Like the scene in the House 657 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.360 I think was particularly strong and powerful. Like at the 658 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.320 party early on, and he's had a few too many 659 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:17.800 to drink and he's telling the other party guests, this 660 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.239 is how things got so screwed up in the world, 661 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.760 and your theories are all bunk, and trust me, I 662 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.199 know what's going on. And he does the same thing 663 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:31.360 when he's going on the mission on the Swordfish to 664 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.119 the Northern Hemisphere to checker where there might possibly be 665 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.559 a sign of life, and only to be disappointed. But 666 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.280 a stare I was starting to say before for someone 667 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.840 who like me, my perception of him is this one thing. 668 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.599 And I never saw Was he in The Towering Inferno 669 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.639 or the p Sudden Adventure, I don't remember which he 670 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:53.519 was in one of those. 671 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.599 Two Towering and Bruno I think, right. 672 00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.880 I never got to see that, So I don't know 673 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:05.639 what he's like outside of the MGM musical genre, if 674 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:06.320 you want to call it that. 675 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.480 But holy Moley. 676 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.840 If you're not going to use Australian actors in these 677 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.559 central bars. And I understand that they couldn't because they 678 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.000 wanted to. Hollywood wanted to get its return back with 679 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.719 famous actors. But holy shit, Fred Astaire was so good 680 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.440 and so believable. He was furious at how the world 681 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.760 had gone his character. I don't remember if he said 682 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.719 this in the film, but I think he said something 683 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.599 in the book about surely people weren't stupid enough to 684 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:43.000 finally go that last distance and start nuking each other, 685 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:48.280 but they did. And his bitterness at how selfish and 686 00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:52.320 stupid the politicians and the warmongers could get. It's just 687 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.280 so completely believable, and I just love what he does. 688 00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.800 Contrasts and I like Brian Brown, who plays the same 689 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:07.480 character in the remake, but he pushes that cynicism and 690 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:11.400 bitterness maybe a little bit too far away. Trying to 691 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:16.119 contrast him between as being the guy who's wanting to 692 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.719 tell the armed forces sticky mission up your ass, you 693 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.599 don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'm the 694 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.360 scientist in the room. But he's weak at the knees 695 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.440 when he sees Rachel Ward and said come and take 696 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.239 me back. So he's going from being rational to irrational. 697 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:32.360 I don't know. 698 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.480 So that's probably a not needed digression, just more to 699 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.719 compare Brian Brown and Fred Astaire. But in this case, 700 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.719 I think Fred Astare his version of the character, really 701 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.320 did it for me. I just loved what he did. 702 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:47.400 I was so impressed. 703 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.880 Yeah, same here. I wasn't expecting. I'd taken a lot 704 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.079 of my blue ear discs out of the cases are 705 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.320 well ago for space savings, so I hadn't read the cover. 706 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.679 I didn't know the film that when I was like, 707 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.000 oh my what and I wondered, is this a cameo 708 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.440 or what? But no, I thought he was fantastic as well, 709 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.559 particularly in that opening scene that he has. 710 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:11.639 I think he's meant to be English, isn't he in this? 711 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.039 I don't think it's ever explicitly studd and. 712 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.079 No, you're right, it's not. I just thought he was 713 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.960 putting on an English accent at the start, which then disappears. 714 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.760 Like most of the accents of this movie the first 715 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.800 few scenes, they try hard and then they give up. 716 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:27.800 But yeah, he makes it a line I wrote down. 717 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.639 I think it's from the later scene in the submarine 718 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.480 where he says the war started when everyone decided to 719 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:38.320 protect themselves with weapons they couldn't use without destroying themselves, 720 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.119 and it was all just an accident probably, And then 721 00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.599 he sells that really that kind of yeah, what were 722 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:47.159 we doing? It was all just stupidity, not so much anger. 723 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.320 It was just the sadness or he just resigned to 724 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.199 the fact, doesn't he now? Of course again as you 725 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:56.480 have to beat but down in the alcohol and yeah, 726 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.199 and then of course we'll talk about the car scenes later, 727 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.079 but as the world explodes a rundoms. 728 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.400 You mentioned the mission to Seattle, and that's really the 729 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.119 main action of this film. There's not a lot of 730 00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.440 things that happened, but like you were saying, Jonathan, this 731 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:16.079 scene leads to leads to the scene. There's not like 732 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.960 a big thrust as far as like, oh, this is 733 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.320 our project or anything, but because they're all just waiting 734 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:26.280 around to talk basically, sorry to laugh, but it's just 735 00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:30.840 super cynical. Everybody is just Okay, we know that we 736 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.920 have a limited time span. What are we going to 737 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.239 do with it? And so really the mission for Peck 738 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.639 gives him purpose and allows us to see how he 739 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.000 interacts with the Fredasteric character, with the Tony Perkins character, 740 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:45.440 and with all the rest of the men on the 741 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.360 submarine as they go all the way up from Australia 742 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:53.719 to Seattle to try to find out what this radio 743 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.760 signal is that they've been receiving these messages that are 744 00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:00.199 sent out where it's just random words coming through on 745 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:03.679 morse code and they're wondering, what the hell is this thing. 746 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:07.800 So they have to investigate, and luckily with Peck, he 747 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.199 runs a nuclear submarine and as fuel it can do this. 748 00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:15.360 He gives him purpose and allows him to also do 749 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.360 some investigation as far as are the radiation levels going 750 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.679 down in the northern hemisphere, because there's a theory about 751 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.760 how it's rained enough that it's going to clean the air, 752 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:29.639 clean that the radiation out of the system. And so 753 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.719 that's why Fred Astaire is there because he's the well 754 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:35.719 known scientists able to go up there and find out 755 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.199 what are the radiation levels and see. 756 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:39.480 If this theory is really true. 757 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.559 So that becomes like really the thrust of the film. 758 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.280 But it's interesting that it doesn't take that long. It's 759 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.559 not really that much of this what is it two 760 00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.840 hour and seventeen minute movie is this mission. You would 761 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.119 think as a normal movie watcher, Oh, this is going 762 00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:56.480 to be the thing that takes us all the way 763 00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.159 to the end of the film and what we see there. 764 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.440 But no, it's really just a step over in the 765 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.239 middle of the movie. 766 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.199 Well, as I think you said earlier on Mike, this 767 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:10.000 film is really more about human relationships. The background is 768 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.280 the world is going to end. How do people behave 769 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:18.440 but two hours and seventeen minutes, so that may not 770 00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:22.760 have washed, or rather two hundred pages of that might 771 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:29.239 not have washed, so making the character's navy men, which means, 772 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:33.360 unlike say the army, they can travel back and forth. 773 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:38.400 But yeah, I firmly see this as a film about 774 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:46.440 relationships under troubling circumstances. And even so much as we 775 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.519 get the relationships between the characters on the on the 776 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.639 boat and I'm trying to remember I think it was 777 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:56.119 in the remake, not in the original one, where two 778 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.199 guys are playing a game of cards and one wants 779 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:03.800 to win his money back, and tempers have fled, possibly 780 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.400 more than they otherwise would have been if the end 781 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:11.760 of the world wasn't coming, So tempers do flow, and 782 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.599 which seems to be more of a theme of the 783 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.440 remake possibly and the if they'd had a card game 784 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:18.920 in the original film, that would have been oh can 785 00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:20.159 I get Can I play you again to. 786 00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:20.880 Get my money back? 787 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:21.119 No? 788 00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.039 Sorry, old chap, Oh never mind you unfair and square 789 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:25.880 that way. 790 00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.679 I suppose those two old guys again in the club 791 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.800 talking about the Porte or the Wayne. 792 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.280 It was port four hundred bottles support, which is what 793 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.880 I was drinking tonight. I saw those two guys as 794 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.360 pretty much the throwback to the Commonwealth. These were old 795 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.239 school British guys. Those two characters may well have been British, 796 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:51.480 the one who said, Oh, I can't believe I've had 797 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.159 we got four months to get through four hundred bottles 798 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.280 of sharing or port How are we going to do 799 00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.639 it all? Oh jeeves, all take another buckle home with 800 00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:02.119 me to not? 801 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.880 Is that rightly? Just disgraceful? Like I didn't know what 802 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.360 the character's names were. I was calling them Stetler and Woldorf. 803 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:14.960 But good names for them, definitely. And the third guy 804 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.639 in there, the guy who's waiting on them, I've found 805 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:19.519 him the most interesting. And that was the thing I 806 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.280 like about this movie version is that they have these 807 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.800 so like that guy, the port drinker, and the main 808 00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.679 guy is in the book, but I think he's just 809 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.719 there from one scene maybe. And then the whole thing 810 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.119 about Anthony Perkins commander, the guy who gives him the 811 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.639 mission at the beginning, him and his I guess it's 812 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.199 his secretary. The relationship between them, I don't think is 813 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.639 in the book at all. And I love that relationship. 814 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.920 I love this whole thing. And there's a question are 815 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.239 they in love. I really don't think so. I think 816 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.719 they've just been coworkers for so long and there's a 817 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.519 mutual respect, and I really like that they have those 818 00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.239 scenes in there, and especially you're talking about the two 819 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.719 old guys Statler and Waldorf, for are perfect names for 820 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:08.239 them them. At the end, they're not there, but the 821 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:11.440 guy who was waiting on them still is there. And 822 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:16.000 just that empty club in the shots of the empty streets, 823 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.559 and just seeing that entropy that happens, especially towards the end, 824 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.280 once they do get back from that mission to Seattle, 825 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.800 that's when it really starts to play in and you 826 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.760 get those things with the Salvation Army and it's oh, now, 827 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.199 it's I don't want to complain about this film, because 828 00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.639 I actually do like it, but it feels like it's 829 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.000 very civil for so long, and then the entropy comes 830 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:44.360 towards the end. It's not I don't think enough necessarily, 831 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.599 and then it's also just I don't want to say 832 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:50.039 an afterthought, it's just not as much emphasis put on that. 833 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.840 For me, what I'm interested to see is really the destruction. 834 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:55.360 I don't know what it is about End of the 835 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.480 World movies, but I'm always fascinated by apocalypse films and 836 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.639 just like, all right, what it happened? And just playing 837 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.719 those mental games and seeing in Australia is a perfect 838 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.159 thing because it's got one of the best End of 839 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:11.239 the World series ever with the Mad Max films. I 840 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.760 think that's where we're going. I'm waiting for Wez to 841 00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.239 pop up on the beach and just be like, all right, 842 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:21.440 let's start raiding the roads. I'm expecting folks on the 843 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.519 beach to be more like the folks that run the 844 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.440 village and the cars of the Paris, the roving bands 845 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:31.440 of teens with their crazy cars and just committing atrocities 846 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:31.960 like wild. 847 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.760 So is this basically a prequel to my Marx? Do 848 00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.880 you think they could be? No? 849 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.679 Petrol. There's no gazzoline. 850 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.960 Some of them must have survived in Sydney or Melbourne. 851 00:46:41.960 --> 00:47:00.679 Brother and spawns the war Boys. 852 00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:56.599 One. 853 00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:00.360 I aspected this that we haven't referred to yet and 854 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.360 is part of why I said that this is a 855 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:06.039 brave film in a way for Hollywood to have made 856 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:10.880 in nineteen fifty nine. Is the illusion, even if it's 857 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:18.079 not explicitly mentioned the word euthanasia. So Anthony Perkins character 858 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:22.119 Peter knows he's going on this mission to Seattle to 859 00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.199 see if there's still life there, but he knows that 860 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.000 no matter what happens, they're all going to go. So 861 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:32.159 he wants to make sure that his wife and daughter 862 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.960 don't suffer any more than they have to. So he 863 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.480 knows that the symptoms are going to last for days, 864 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.039 and they're going to be in pain and vomiting, and 865 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.039 it's just going to be absolutely terrible, particularly for their 866 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.320 daughter who doesn't know what is going on. So he 867 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.519 goes through a few privileged channels to try and get 868 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:58.480 early access to suicide pills, and there's that pretty heartbreaking 869 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.840 scene where he has to tell Donna Anderson, his wife, 870 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:08.079 that while he's gone, if she's feeling any of the 871 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:13.239 radiation sickness symptoms. Then she's to take this tablet and 872 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.000 give one or an injection to their daughter, and she 873 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:22.119 goes nuts saying, I'm not going to murder our daughter? 874 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.239 Is that what you want? 875 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.719 And that was one moment, or one of the few 876 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:29.800 moments in the film where we're talking about Ava Gardner 877 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:33.159 being someone who acknowledges the truth of what's going on. 878 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:34.239 But there seems to. 879 00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.000 Be the one moment of the film where a character 880 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.519 goes absolutely nuts at the suggestion, look, we're going to die. 881 00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.480 Whatever you say, I choose to believe in that we're 882 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:51.599 going to survive this. But she absolutely point blank refuses 883 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:57.079 the acceptance of that and is not prepared to do 884 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:01.159 what her husband suggests, which is to youth andize herself 885 00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:04.480 and their daughter if he's not there to be with them. 886 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.000 And I know there are a lot of apocalypse films 887 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.920 in the nineteen fifties because of Cold War tensions and 888 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.639 sci fi was exploring that sort of avenue, but for 889 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:22.599 a mainstream Hollywood film to bring in a topic like 890 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.719 youth in Asia, I don't think anyone was doing that 891 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.639 sort of thing at the time, And do either review 892 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.559 know of anything from. 893 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.960 That era, American or otherwise. No, no, And it definitely 894 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.000 is one of the most important scenes of the film 895 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.119 that when he's advising her to take the tablets, and 896 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.159 also just the fact that it's not even just a 897 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:46.760 passing one scene. Let's talk about it and then we'll never 898 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.039 mention it. Really, it's all the way through the film, 899 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.840 isn't it. It's right up until they're handing the little boxes. 900 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.480 I think in the street, I think towards the end. 901 00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:58.559 But yeah, no, that's amazingly well done scene. I think 902 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.719 the two of them worked really well there, and I 903 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.760 think almost forgot that the accidents were terrible in that moment. 904 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.840 It was so good. So yeah, it just as you say, 905 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.119 it really stands out because it's so unique. 906 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:13.039 The picture that he has to paint for her in 907 00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:17.400 the book, with the imagine that you die before the 908 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:20.400 baby dies, and then she would just sit there and 909 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:25.920 suffer with the radiation sickness and probably vomit and starved 910 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:28.079 to death, and it was just like, you will go 911 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.400 at this rate of speed, but our daughter is younger, 912 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:33.679 it'll take her a few more days to die. Was 913 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.719 just really heartbreaking. And that's where it's like Okay, I 914 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.599 think this relationship really is at the heart of the story. 915 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.639 But then it's nice that they have the different relationships 916 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:49.079 to counter post that as well. And the mission to Seattle, 917 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:54.440 that's another heartbreaking scene because it's this whole thing of, well, 918 00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:55.800 we're going to go up there and we're going to 919 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.199 find out who's typing out these messages because a few 920 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.719 things that happen along the way. There's the one crew 921 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.440 member who just leaves and goes out. 922 00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.000 On his own. In this one, he swims. 923 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.079 I think in the remake he's got a little dinghy 924 00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.079 that he's going out on not to cast dispersions. When 925 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.000 they get up to Seattle and we finally get revealed 926 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:18.719 what had been going on that it's a fucking coke 927 00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:22.599 bottle and a window shade that the one guy before says, like. 928 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.000 There's random words. 929 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.280 Whoever's doing this doesn't know how to operate a radio. 930 00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.360 The whole thing about the ten thousand monkeys all in 931 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.079 a room with typewriters things comes up and it's like, yeah, 932 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.320 it ends up being exactly that, that they are just 933 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:41.920 chasing ghosts and there's never been anybody. The last person 934 00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.280 to man that radio, we don't know when they died, 935 00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.519 but it was probably pretty quickly, and quite a few 936 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:48.119 months ago. 937 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.599 This is a thousand monkeys working at a thousand typewriters. 938 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.840 Soon they'll have written the greatest novel known to men. 939 00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.880 Let's see, it was the best of times. 940 00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.039 It was the burst of times. 941 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:08.000 Stupid muddy. It's a clever idea, that, isn't it, Just 942 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.480 to have something making a noise and they have to 943 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.719 go and investigate. But yeah, so sad when it cuts 944 00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.719 back to them and he's reading out the reports. It's 945 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:18.320 just as you said, the coke bottle. And then it 946 00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.440 is that thing of all right, okay, let's go back 947 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.679 to the other story now that you're saying about. Not 948 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.679 that it should, but it could have been more central, 949 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.039 and that's thriller, I think. And the remake it's a 950 00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.840 bit more of a thrillery, isn't it, with scanners and 951 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.760 whatever else we have down there beeping away? And then 952 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:35.880 this one it's just all right, okay, let's go back 953 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:39.960 to Melbourne now. But I did like watching him walking 954 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:44.480 through the industrial complex. And it's a Hollywood film, so 955 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.199 they're not going to have dead bodies everywhere, but in 956 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:49.599 a way, it might have been nice, if that's the 957 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:53.719 right word, to see a little bit more destruction or 958 00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.559 cars that had crashed on the road to the way 959 00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:57.719 they are or would happen. But at the same time, yes, 960 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:02.559 that desolate Hi Iang and things. Certainly it's impressive, so 961 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:03.159 that is good. 962 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.840 Did they explained it in the film by someone saying, oh, 963 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.639 everyone's just going to go hound to die, even do. 964 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:12.800 Always go somewhere to die? There's some maybe there's some 965 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.360 comment about which is true, but anyway, yeah, no, you 966 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.360 have to make I think it's John Melly and it 967 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.880 goes out who swims, isn't it? Into San Francisco and 968 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.559 those are yeah, just all those I love you were 969 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:30.079 talking about Bucklips films. It is those moments where you 970 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.800 see the streets of a city that are used to 971 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.360 seeing so busy being empty, like in twenty eight Days 972 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.239 Later and I guess in London and many other films. 973 00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:41.719 And then listening to the commentary you're talking about they 974 00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.800 had to stop the chap for thirty seconds film all 975 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.480 that stuff, but it just yeah, see San Francisco empty. 976 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:48.440 Haven't been there as well? 977 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:52.119 It's speaking now I'm trying to remember Mike when we 978 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:53.920 have a the Omega men. 979 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:57.480 Was that sit in Elior was a send friend? 980 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.760 I can't remember, as I was going to say, oh, 981 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.880 another sand Fran empty city film, But certainly the feeling 982 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:09.199 you get from the beginning of that film is just newspapers. 983 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.000 It always seems to be newspapers flying around the empty city, 984 00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.079 and I think that's the case in the remake of 985 00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:19.280 On the Beach as well. Newspapers just flying everywhere. But 986 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:25.599 realistical or not, but there's certainly something that's pretty spooky 987 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:30.440 about seeing a city that you're used to seeing traffic 988 00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.719 and people going about their daily business that there's no 989 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:37.320 one there. So realistic or not, I think it's cinematically 990 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:38.880 better move. 991 00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.440 Yeah, it's ironic that in twenty twenty five there would 992 00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:45.559 not be newspapers floating around on the streets because they're 993 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.159 just not around it anymore. But yeah, otherwise, please keep 994 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.639 your newspapers together a little bit more. I love the 995 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.320 story about when they were filming in Melbourne and they 996 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:57.239 were trying to get those empty street shots and the 997 00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.320 city went out and cleaned up all the streets and 998 00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.480 they're like, no, we on garbage up here on the streets. 999 00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:05.719 They had like artificially garbage up some of the streets 1000 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:06.519 and then clean. 1001 00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.000 Them up again after they left. 1002 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.239 But yeah, those scenes of them looking at San Francisco, 1003 00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:15.519 and it's really heartbreaking to see all that, and then yeah, 1004 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.679 the whole thing of them finding that what was sending 1005 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:21.960 those signals. And then, like I said, it's a turning 1006 00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.360 point in the film because after that, we've had things 1007 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:28.159 like Freda Stairs race car being introduced before, but then 1008 00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:32.199 afterwards it just becomes maybe a little too much. Just 1009 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.199 a lot of people racing cars in this and it's 1010 00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.400 funny that there's a boat race at the beginning and 1011 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.880 then there's the car races at the end, and they're 1012 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.199 so different as far as like the boat race is 1013 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.400 just full of life, and it's Ava Gardner and the 1014 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.480 Gargery pack just laughing and getting together and just really 1015 00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:53.280 starting to see that spark of romance between them and 1016 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.119 just that the way that they could be a couple 1017 00:55:56.360 --> 00:56:00.400 when you see that in the book. But then towards 1018 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.719 the end with Randolph and his race car, it's just 1019 00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:07.480 a whole matter of self destruction. And there's a really 1020 00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:11.159 heartbreaking scene in the book where there's been a horrible 1021 00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:15.239 accident and he still wants to win the Grand Prix. 1022 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:18.599 He's like on the way to winning it, and there's 1023 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:23.000 this big accident and he realizes that he has no 1024 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:26.079 way of getting home because his car has been damaged, 1025 00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:28.360 and so he was like, I can just take this truck. 1026 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:30.679 He's like, I better not take this truck. I better 1027 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.719 actually ask the that own it if I can take 1028 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.119 it or at least borrow it for a little while. 1029 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.800 And the woman that he talks to that owns the truck, 1030 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.119 it was her husband's he died in this auto accident, 1031 00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.679 and she's just like, yeah, no, he died the way 1032 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:48.000 that he wanted to go. 1033 00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:49.320 So everything's fine. 1034 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:51.760 Yeah, you can have the truck, you can have any 1035 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.199 parts that you want, and just go ahead and pick 1036 00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:59.239 over these damaged cars, these broken cars, and take what 1037 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:03.000 you need. And yeah, that for me was like, oh wow, Yeah, 1038 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.440 they're just racing themselves to destruction. 1039 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.079 The world is exploding around and that's what I expected 1040 00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.000 from a film like this, showing bombs going off for 1041 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.960 explosions or things. But the pair all right down to 1042 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:17.760 just this one track, and he's trying to get through 1043 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.159 it all and trying to survive. Although it looks quite casual, 1044 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.239 doesn't he nobody's trying to stop this race. It's just 1045 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.519 things exploding in cars, blowing up. And also Anthony Perkins 1046 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:30.280 standing beside the racetrack smiling, and I'm thinking, I think 1047 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:33.599 I would be a bit further back, knowing how dangerous 1048 00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.280 this race is. But hey, clear enough. But yeah, and 1049 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:39.679 then the inevitable or the sad end of that character, 1050 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:41.880 but maybe come to that later. 1051 00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.239 The issue that I found, and there is definitely a 1052 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:49.760 contrast between the book and the first film on one 1053 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:55.199 corner and the remaking the other corner is the motivation, 1054 00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.920 as I said, behind Joey and Osborne's character in racing. 1055 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.320 There is no Grand Prix in the original one. It 1056 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.000 turns out, well, he's always loved fast cars, and hell's 1057 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:09.800 the end of the world anyway, I might as well 1058 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:14.440 enter into this amateur's Grand Prix and have a bit 1059 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.719 of a race. And I really get the feeling that 1060 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.559 he's not there thinking, well, if I die, I die. 1061 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.360 He just wants with two three weeks left to live, 1062 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.119 he just wants to feel excited. He just doesn't want 1063 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:31.559 to go out doing something that's merely banal or boring. 1064 00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:35.599 He wants to feel like he really lived, and how 1065 00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.920 he does eventually die in the film becomes all the 1066 00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:42.320 more tragic. Has got nothing to do with the race, 1067 00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:48.800 and in the remake his character almost seems to have 1068 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:50.960 a death wish. Now I'm going to race this car 1069 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.800 until I fall off the track and I'm going to 1070 00:58:54.880 --> 00:59:00.440 go yeahoo. And that just did not ring true. All 1071 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:04.000 that was absolutely rubbish. But I loved once again that 1072 00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:06.840 the character in the book and the film was just 1073 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:11.239 more I want to do something dangerous, but I don't 1074 00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:14.199 want to die doing it. But I can only feel 1075 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:18.559 like I've lived if I've done something dangerous. Completely different 1076 00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.960 motivation between the two and the book. Slash original film 1077 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:25.400 got that character right, I think so. 1078 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:27.679 Anyway, and just as a little. 1079 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.199 Bit of an aside as we are recording, this is 1080 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.679 the weekend of the Melbourne Grand Prix around Albert Park Lake, 1081 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.480 which is mentioned explicitly in the book, not in the film. 1082 00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:38.440 So I got to go to the ones, which was great. 1083 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.559 It must have been two thousand and one, found number 1084 00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:43.679 which you know, but enjoyed that lost my wallets. I 1085 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.679 got a bark in the end. Anyway, good there's kind 1086 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:48.400 of people of Melbourne took care of you. 1087 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.760 Yeah, someone phoned it and handed it into the police. Wow, 1088 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.199 very nice, thank you man. That's what Melbournians do. 1089 00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:59.039 What else do we want to talk about with this movie? 1090 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:00.480 The thank you? 1091 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:01.679 I was just about to do that. 1092 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:05.760 Walton Matilda used to start Borius in that one, because your. 1093 01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:07.360 Soul, that's the point. 1094 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.280 It's my fucking song. 1095 01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:12.199 So the beginning of the film, we see the credits 1096 01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.760 come up Ernest Gold as a composer, and I thought, oh, 1097 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.719 the guy who wrote the music for Exodus. Great composer. 1098 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:24.239 And like a lot of soundtracks, we get a main 1099 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:28.280 theme and then there are variations on the theme and 1100 01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:32.159 they just someone in the music department thought, isn't Waltson 1101 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.320 Matilda Australia's national anthem? 1102 01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:39.320 Isn't their national song? Yeah, we'll use that, and they. 1103 01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:42.360 Hammered it and they hammered it and they hammered it. 1104 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.079 And I don't know whether I was pissed off that 1105 01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:47.280 I just kept hearing this fucking tune again, or more 1106 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:51.159 the fact that Americans thought that's the only song that 1107 01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.599 Australia has in its arsenal. But if that wasn't bad enough, 1108 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:57.440 and Mike's already gone and alluded to this. When Moira 1109 01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.639 and Dwight go on the fishing trip. There's a bunch 1110 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.480 of fishermen who was sitting on the shore, standing on 1111 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:09.239 the shore and singing all the lyrics to waltson Matilda 1112 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:12.000 because it's a national song and every time four or 1113 01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.679 five blokes get together in this country, that's just what 1114 01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:18.599 we do, isn't it. We sing waltzing fucking Matilda. 1115 01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:20.679 I've been waiting to burst into solo episode. 1116 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:26.280 No, it's been like it's not happening. All right. 1117 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.440 There's those guys on the street corners around the oil cans, 1118 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.760 like with the fire, like rubbing their hands and stuff, 1119 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:36.000 and they start singing waltson Matilda and every street corner. 1120 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.719 Yeah, we won't sing Waltzing Matilda, and we're not going 1121 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:40.519 to sing down under it, all right, So I just 1122 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:42.239 push it out of your head anyway. 1123 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.079 Sorry that mountain when they go off to the mountains, 1124 01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.599 I actually had to pause Meat for about seconds because 1125 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:54.000 it's just going, I'm going, what are you doing to me? 1126 01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:57.440 Is this is painful? Yeah? So that is a flaw 1127 01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:58.480 in the film, definitely. 1128 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.719 From one time to stand the composer didn't like it 1129 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:03.880 and didn't want to do it, but Stanley Kramer is 1130 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.039 just like, yeah, no, Waltson Matilda, come on, I love 1131 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:07.480 this song. 1132 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:08.239 This is great. 1133 01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.960 What to Watson? Matilda is just a great soul. God, 1134 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:16.519 we all had to get that out of our system. 1135 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.800 I think if this had been an American celt film, 1136 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.280 would we be hearing Denny Boyle all the way through 1137 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:22.679 the film? 1138 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:23.840 Is that what you're saying? 1139 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:24.199 Yeah? 1140 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:24.400 That? 1141 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:26.159 Or kicking it up to Boston. 1142 01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:29.480 They get a little heavy handed in the last part 1143 01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:31.960 of the film with the Dutch angles. Almost every shot 1144 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:34.280 for a little while is a Dutch angle, to the 1145 01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:36.800 point where I was just like watching the movie with 1146 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:41.079 my head kicked over. It's like, oh, okay, like we 1147 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:44.159 saw a pretty good Canton angle shot. 1148 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:45.960 I think at the beginning in the. 1149 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.360 Party scene where Ava Gardner comes up into frame and 1150 01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:51.239 Gregory pecks on the other side and you've got a 1151 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.079 pull in the middle that really emphasizes the angle of it. 1152 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:57.639 But yeah, towards the end, it's just like every shot, 1153 01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:01.559 every other shot maybe is can't and it's like, all right, 1154 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:03.920 we get it. The world is a skew right now, 1155 01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.840 So little heavy handed with that. But I have to 1156 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:10.639 say that the cinematography in this movie. It looks gorgeous 1157 01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:15.960 and I really love too, just the age of fred 1158 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:19.360 Astaire at this point and just the cragginess of his face. 1159 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:22.480 He's got a fascinating face at this point in his career, 1160 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.639 and I just really was happy to see how he 1161 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.880 looked throughout so much of this. And yeah, the oh 1162 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:31.599 my god, the lighting when it comes to his death 1163 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:35.559 scene in that garage is fantastic. And then there's some 1164 01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:37.559 little things too that they do where I'm like, oh, 1165 01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.760 I didn't expect that. Where I think it's when Gregory 1166 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:43.920 Peck finds out that the guy that they sent to 1167 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.679 go through the city because you don't send the captain 1168 01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.000 to go through the city. K'm on Armanda Sante Anyway, 1169 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.639 It's just it's the Star Trek problem, right, and like 1170 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:55.320 it would be pretty boring if Kirk stayed on the 1171 01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:57.760 ship all the time, but so they always have to 1172 01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.440 send him out. But that actor who tells him about 1173 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:04.840 his friend having radiation poisoning, and the way he turns 1174 01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:08.280 and walks right towards the camera, it's so uncomfortable that 1175 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.360 they try to black it out with his face basically, 1176 01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:13.719 like that's a little much guys go. 1177 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:17.840 By, Yeah, that jarred a little bit. That's walking towards 1178 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:20.320 the camera a bit, didn't it. And then the thing 1179 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:22.920 about him being irritated, And that's the first sign of 1180 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.199 it coming. He's an interesting character, wasn't he. I suppose 1181 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.239 the poor guy in this bunk bed who's the first 1182 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:30.800 one to drop and he thinks it's just his stomach. 1183 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.360 Those are nice moments as well. Again I say the 1184 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.760 word nice. The topic is not nice. It's just well done, 1185 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:38.800 I suppose I should say. But just that creeping horror 1186 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.679 and terror death is hovering over us, or hanging in 1187 01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:45.719 the atmosphere around us. And as I was watching, I 1188 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.000 guess I was also just thinking watching Gray repe because 1189 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:52.239 thinking what you're dying, you know, quite important. We could 1190 01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:54.920 talk about the importance of the film, the gravitas and 1191 01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.679 what it was saying, and it's obviously quite obvious what 1192 01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:02.320 it was saying about man and humanity and our obsession 1193 01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.679 with weapons, but of course just to see it in 1194 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.119 these characters who are dying one by one and tend 1195 01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:10.039 to work out what to do in their final hours. 1196 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.679 And yeah, it was very well done. A lot of 1197 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:13.119 those scenes. 1198 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.440 All right, guys, let's go ahead and take a break, 1199 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.960 and I'll be back right after these brief messages. 1200 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:23.719 Seven the Sixth Sense, Sweet sixteen, nine Songs, seven Brides 1201 01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:27.039 for seven Brothers, twelve Angry Men. 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If you love film, 1212 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:01.440 join us a Film by Numbers. 1213 01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:05.760 All Right, we were back and we were talking about 1214 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:06.559 on the beach. 1215 01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:11.360 There are a lot of post apocalypse films out there, 1216 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:16.199 but the one film that came to my mind while 1217 01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:20.480 watching this was one from was it the late eighties? 1218 01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:26.000 I'm wanting to say Miracle Mile and rather than compressing 1219 01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:31.480 the idea of people living at their lives with five 1220 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:36.480 months to goo. Miracle Mile is about people getting five 1221 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:41.639 hours or whatever it is, or one night's notification. And 1222 01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:46.880 that's also a personal story because Anthony Edwards and Mayor 1223 01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:50.599 Winningham are desperately trying to find each other because they 1224 01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:54.559 want to be together when the lights are turned off, 1225 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:59.480 as it were. But I loved that there was another 1226 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:05.840 store that So, okay, the death of humanity is it's 1227 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:10.079 not quite a side issue, but it's not the only issue, 1228 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:13.079 and it's about this relationship between. 1229 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:17.039 Two people who feel that they need be together. 1230 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:21.239 And regardless of what I might think about how Dwight 1231 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:26.280 and Moira end up in both of these films, they 1232 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.480 wanted to make the story about them and Peter and 1233 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:34.480 Mary how are they going to cope as couples and how. 1234 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:36.039 Do they deal with it? Do they ignore it? 1235 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:41.360 Do we behave shittily knocking over the windows of department 1236 01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:43.840 stores and stealing what we want like it does a 1237 01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:47.199 little bit in the remake, or do we just try 1238 01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:50.800 to be our best behavior with the people that we love. 1239 01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:55.719 And I think both of these films explore that as 1240 01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:59.079 an issue, And yeah, I'm a huge fan of The 1241 01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:00.800 Miracle Mild is heart breaking. 1242 01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:03.880 Absolutely, it's a brilliant film, and I think, just thinking 1243 01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:07.840 back on this film, it's more I think watching it 1244 01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:13.360 thinking about Miracle Mile and thinking about some off those 1245 01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:16.760 are real people, Miracle Mile, and we're getting to see 1246 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:20.000 how they live in a world that's not hemmed down 1247 01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:24.239 by authority and by the rules that the Navy puts 1248 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.800 on these characters. So I think, now, just looking back 1249 01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.159 on what I'm thinking about the film, I think it 1250 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:35.680 is that sort of strict the procedures and this is 1251 01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:37.720 the way that the captain should act, and this is 1252 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:41.039 the way that the privates on the submarine should act, 1253 01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:43.000 and they have to add this is the routine. And 1254 01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:47.000 so they're facing the end of the world from that perspective, 1255 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:50.199 I guess, of being in the system, a system of 1256 01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:53.680 the Navy. Whereas so I just think that sort of 1257 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:58.359 affects the way that certainly Gregory Peck's character of course 1258 01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:01.079 views the world, because he has, as we're saying this, 1259 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:03.760 he's the captain of the ship and he has to 1260 01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:07.760 be the strong one and the person that keeps the rules. 1261 01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:09.840 And I suppose there's also now just coming to mind 1262 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:12.359 Crimson Tide actually and what the characters are doing in there, 1263 01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:16.159 gene Hack when and are Ig and Denzel. But anyway, 1264 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.119 so I suppose I would just maybe like to have 1265 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.880 seen a little bit more of real people. And I 1266 01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:24.159 suppose Peter and his wife are a bit more of 1267 01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:28.479 us because they are so low down the pecking order. 1268 01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:31.239 But yeah, I just think it would have been nice. 1269 01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:33.159 And we do see those little elements of the people 1270 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.720 in the club and people popping in and out, but 1271 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:37.840 I don't know, I just think maybe it would have 1272 01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:40.760 given it a bit more of a looseness or just 1273 01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:42.880 a reality, even a bit more of a reality of 1274 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.199 Miracle Mile, for example, because it's people that are not 1275 01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:49.760 hemmed in by having to go to offer a mission somewhere. 1276 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:52.319 And I have all these board meetings about what we're 1277 01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:54.039 going to do next and when's it all coming in. 1278 01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:55.920 I don't know. Ed has just thoughts coming into my 1279 01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:58.239 head there about what I might have liked to have seen, 1280 01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:00.600 as well as what God you. 1281 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:05.520 Talked about apocalypse movies, and most of them are post apocalypse. 1282 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.159 There are those, like you said, with Mirakle Mile. That's 1283 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:09.880 funny because I was the first one that came to 1284 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.319 mind when I was trying to explain a little bit 1285 01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:14.880 as far as the end is coming in this one. 1286 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.279 It's a few months as opposed to a few hours. 1287 01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:22.039 But this one, really, especially the book, talks about the 1288 01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:26.560 radiation and just the death deadliness of the radiation, which 1289 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.720 we don't really get much anymore. That was the thing 1290 01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:33.079 with Threads and The Day After and those movies from 1291 01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:37.319 the eighties where you really just saw the suffering from 1292 01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.000 the radiation. It's like the ones who were killed first 1293 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.960 were the lucky ones and the ones that are still 1294 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:44.880 straggling around, And you didn't really see that in things 1295 01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.680 like the World, the Flesh and the Devil or five 1296 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.279 or any of these early post apocalyptic films, post war 1297 01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:55.359 post apocalyptic films. But with this one, that's the whole 1298 01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:57.800 thing is the radiation is coming. The radiation is going 1299 01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:01.439 to kill us all, and yeah, it's like we forget 1300 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:05.680 now what radiation is. I'm still just flabbergasted when they 1301 01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:09.520 start talking about in that Godzilla remake, the one with 1302 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:11.760 Aaron Taylor Johnson where they're like, oh, yeah, we're going 1303 01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.640 to drop this nuke on Godzilla and it's like, where 1304 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:15.880 are you doing this? 1305 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:16.079 Oh? 1306 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:18.680 Yeah, twenty miles off the coast of San Francisco. I'm like, 1307 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:21.840 what the fuck are you guys doing. That's going to 1308 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:26.119 kill so many people in San Francisco just from the radiation. 1309 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.199 It's just like they forget what radiation is. Of course, 1310 01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:32.319 there's the brilliant idea of dropping a nuclear bomb on 1311 01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:36.119 a hurricane to disarm the hurricane, and again I'm just like, 1312 01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:39.159 are you just not thinking about the radiation that's going 1313 01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:41.439 to come spewing out of that. Growing up in the 1314 01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:43.439 eighties and I talk about this a lot as far 1315 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:47.159 as like the Cold War paranoia was real, and the 1316 01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:49.279 idea of like dying in the bomb blast, I was 1317 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:51.159 just like, Okay, I guess I can take that because 1318 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.159 it's going to be over in a second. But the 1319 01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.079 thing that I couldn't handle was the idea of being 1320 01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:59.119 like out in the wastelands with Steve Gutenberg and all 1321 01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.439 these people, where you just seeing them starting to fall 1322 01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:03.760 apart because of the radiation sickness. 1323 01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:06.039 That's the craziness for me. 1324 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.000 I think I mentioned to you a few weeks ago, Mike, 1325 01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:14.479 that I watched really strangely for the first time, the 1326 01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:21.199 early nineteen eighties propaganda clips documentary The Atomic Cafe. I 1327 01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:24.079 remember that was a really big deal in the cinema 1328 01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:26.439 here when it came out. I think of our old 1329 01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:30.600 Valhalla cinema, which had left of center stuff. And I 1330 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.159 didn't get to see it at the time, but the 1331 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:35.520 impression I always had was that, oh, it was a 1332 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:41.239 mildly funny look at atomic warfare and what had happened 1333 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:44.560 in the fifties with the Cold War and all that. 1334 01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:50.199 I just found it terrifying, probably more so because these 1335 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:53.279 some of these moments were so ridiculous. There was I 1336 01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:57.800 think one sequence where these two or three army guys 1337 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:02.479 roll up to some park where there's a woman who's 1338 01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:07.079 saying our government is terrible and they're trying to destroy 1339 01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:12.279 our European friends and our Russian friends, and they're having 1340 01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:13.800 a go at her saying, oh, you don't know the 1341 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:16.960 first thing about these commis, lady, they've got the bomb. 1342 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:19.239 We have to have the bomb because it's what's going 1343 01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:22.319 to save us. And there's plenty of those sorts of 1344 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:24.159 moments throughout the film. 1345 01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:24.680 This is. 1346 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:30.600 I don't know whether it's post apocalypse in the sense 1347 01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:35.039 that we'd seen what had happened in Japan, at the 1348 01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:39.680 end of the war, but it's pre thinking we're not out. 1349 01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:40.560 Of this yet. People. 1350 01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.720 It takes us for one idiot in power, and I 1351 01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:47.680 can't imagine that there's anyone around there who do that now. 1352 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:52.640 But it serves like, remember what happened, this could happen. 1353 01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:55.840 So I don't know if I think I found a 1354 01:13:55.920 --> 01:14:00.159 humor more terrifying than anything but terrific film. And to 1355 01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:04.079 your point, I think before Mike about at that period 1356 01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:10.319 where no one was really showing skin peeling off from 1357 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:15.279 the after effects of nuclear radiation fallout, there was a 1358 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:19.159 nineteen fifty two film which I watched good a few 1359 01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:23.000 years ago, two three years ago called Hiroshima, Japanese film 1360 01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:25.720 while it was still fresh in their minds. I think 1361 01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:28.560 they might have even been made before Godzilla. 1362 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:30.239 Hiroshima. 1363 01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:34.000 There's like a forty five minute sequence after fat Boy 1364 01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:38.239 is dropped and we see what's happening to people, and 1365 01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:41.680 that is the most terrifying thing I think I have 1366 01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:45.399 ever seen in a war film. Ever, I don't know 1367 01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:49.000 whether that film was aimed at the domestic cinema going 1368 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:53.000 market saying hey, don't get complacent, this is what happened 1369 01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:56.560 to us, or whether it was going to be shipped 1370 01:14:56.600 --> 01:15:00.159 off to the US cinemas, and so, hey, this is 1371 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.439 what happened as a result of what happened at the 1372 01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:06.119 end of the war, and we're still suffering the metal 1373 01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:10.760 trauma seven or eight years later. That sort of approach 1374 01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:14.199 would never happen even in a well meaning Hollywood film. 1375 01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:19.760 But yeah, this was possibly the most graphic thing I 1376 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:22.800 think I can remember saying from a film of that era. 1377 01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:28.119 So you're saying that people in Japan should buy leadlined 1378 01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:31.920 refrigerators so they can just survive a nuclear blast like 1379 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:36.359 Indiana Jonestead, Absolutely and what they should also. Yeah, yeah, 1380 01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:40.000 that was my favorite of all the Indiana Jones films. Bullshit, 1381 01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:42.840 But I think that they should also learn from the 1382 01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:45.560 Americans and learn to duck and cover in the event 1383 01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:47.720 of a bomb drop that would have saved them. 1384 01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:50.760 Paul and Patty know this. No matter where they go 1385 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:53.640 or what they do, they always try to remember what 1386 01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:57.720 to do. If the Adam bomb explodes, right, then it's 1387 01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:02.800 a bomb that can cover Sundays, holidays, vacasion time. We 1388 01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:06.039 must be ready every day, all the time to do 1389 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:09.960 the right thing. If the atomic bomb explodes, duck can 1390 01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:15.840 cover that's the first thing to do. Cover conversion. You duck, 1391 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:21.720 and then you duck and cover cover under the table. 1392 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:22.840 It's a bomb. 1393 01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:26.600 He did what we all learned to do. 1394 01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:32.600 Humanu unu. 1395 01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:36.479 We're talking about threads and things like that where you 1396 01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:40.600 can see the impact, whereas in this one we're imagining 1397 01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:43.000 the impact because it's not quite happened to these people. 1398 01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:45.920 I wonder if there was ever any I guess there 1399 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:48.600 probably wasn't, but we've been interesting to have. Maybe when 1400 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.279 they're in there, there's a briefing room footage of what 1401 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:54.399 happened around the world. Not vites all, of course, but 1402 01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:57.079 I just I wonder if there was ever a discussion 1403 01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.760 about that, because of course, in the remake much opens 1404 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:04.039 with just all those shots of the news and what's 1405 01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:06.319 been happening, and very much what you call it just 1406 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:08.319 a brief sort of catch up or where we are 1407 01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:10.520 bringing you right up to speed in tricks, and that 1408 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:13.880 doesn't exist in the original that they just allude to 1409 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:15.560 the fact that everybody's dates. 1410 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:17.600 Like I said, I don't think there's any way that 1411 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:21.359 they couldn't get the news as far as what actually happened. 1412 01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:25.000 But yeah, the lead up to it is they probably 1413 01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:28.079 had some sort of idea unless it was just a 1414 01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:31.279 random thing that happened. It happened so fast. Obviously, I 1415 01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:33.520 grew up on things like wargames where you get to 1416 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:37.600 see the computer modeling of the nuclear destruction and everything, 1417 01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:40.199 and this takes place it feels like in a matter 1418 01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:43.319 of minutes. But yeah, the lead up to it probably 1419 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:46.600 would have been weeks or days unless it was something 1420 01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:48.319 completely random. 1421 01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:52.039 Also, just thinking there about effective radiation on a city. 1422 01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:54.880 I don't know you watched twenty four, but there was 1423 01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:57.000 one season of that where nuclear bomb went off in 1424 01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:00.960 the middle of la and it was forgotten about within 1425 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:02.960 a few episodes. In the next season, it was never 1426 01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:05.039 mentioned again. So anyway, just the past thing I remember 1427 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:09.319 watching that, Well, you just nobody's mentioned in the fact 1428 01:18:09.399 --> 01:18:10.800 this went off ten minutes ago, and. 1429 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:13.800 Looks like some of all fears. They tried to get 1430 01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.239 a little bit better with that one with the dirty 1431 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:18.720 bomb that goes off, but it's like over the years 1432 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:23.079 nuclear bombs have lost their power. On screen, it's just like, oh, yeah, 1433 01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:25.560 I just dropped some nukes on it, and it's like, no, 1434 01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:29.479 I seemed to realize. There's a lot of ramifications from that. 1435 01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.800 According to a new report from Axio's, President Trump has 1436 01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:35.840 been very interested in a brilliant plan to stop hurricanes 1437 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:39.920 drop a nuclear bomb on them. Trump has reportedly made 1438 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.239 that suggestion multiple times to see your homeland. Natural security 1439 01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:45.560 officials paraphrase by a source who was in the room 1440 01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:46.640 for one briefing, is saying. 1441 01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:47.920 Quote, I got it, I got it. 1442 01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:49.079 Why don't we nuke them? 1443 01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:51.840 Well, San Francisco, it came up for a lot of 1444 01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:55.039 trouble in the nineties, particularly with for the role, and 1445 01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:57.720 I do remember there was a lot of discussion in 1446 01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:00.479 that about what would happen with the cloud and where 1447 01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:01.880 that we're how many people that would kill? 1448 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:03.399 So the Rock, there we go. 1449 01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:08.239 The Rock is the perfect educational film today for people 1450 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:11.560 to realize just how bad nuclear weapons are. 1451 01:19:12.199 --> 01:19:15.680 But those were those pretty green pearls that they had 1452 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:18.560 that looked so they were lovely, They looked so yummy. 1453 01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:21.359 I want to eat one of those things. All right, guys, 1454 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:22.880 let's go ahead and take a break and I'll be 1455 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.000 back right after these brief messages. 1456 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:31.520 We've just received these podcast from somewhere in the Midwest 1457 01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:34.720 that says that nuclear blasts have been recorded on North 1458 01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:40.680 American soil. Ironically, there's almost forty five years to the 1459 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:44.279 day since the world was plunged in the Little Last global crisis. 1460 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:52.920 While the blockade of Taiwan is a particularly provocative piece of. 1461 01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:56.479 Psimanship on the part of the Chinese defense analysts. 1462 01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:58.520 Make get highly unplucked with the national pride would make 1463 01:19:58.560 --> 01:19:58.960 them want. 1464 01:19:58.880 --> 01:19:59.560 To take the world. 1465 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.560 What I'm saying is the chances is something going seriously 1466 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:07.920 wrong or acquired. 1467 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:08.760 Some day. 1468 01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:15.640 To a country, would the least the family there too. 1469 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:17.880 Reality stick probably would. 1470 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:20.640 Like continue names the Chinese community. 1471 01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:26.159 Politicians, and the American letter is very strong. 1472 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:37.359 Sayings unfortunately will be done. 1473 01:20:55.239 --> 01:21:00.000 Oh so aways something American. 1474 01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:12.479 Matter, stuff, A lot of. 1475 01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:15.640 Stuff had you can. 1476 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:20.399 Explained missing million stuff dispays someone who news. 1477 01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:21.000 Is trying to get through. 1478 01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:24.319 How did you explain the palaces suddenly coming a line 1479 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:26.720 mine of the months and the somewhat spent off. 1480 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.680 Switch and one time you admit you want to be 1481 01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:30.840 money wrote. 1482 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:51.800 All right, we were back when we were talking about 1483 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:55.880 on the beach, and we want to talk a little 1484 01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:58.319 bit more about the remake from two thousand. Like I said, 1485 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:00.920 it was a two parter TV movie. You can really 1486 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:04.359 feel the break when it goes from one night to 1487 01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:06.439 the next the way that they wrap it up. But 1488 01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:09.479 if we're to start with this one, let's just say 1489 01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:15.479 Gregory Peck's acting style is way different than Armanda Sante's 1490 01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:21.039 acting style. They definitely use Armanda Sante to his fullest 1491 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:25.439 power in this movie. He's not Rico from Judge Dread. 1492 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:28.720 He's not chewing up scenery as much. But there are 1493 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:32.520 a lot of I am angry Armanda Sante has scenes 1494 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.680 in here, and yeah, he really lets it fly very different. 1495 01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:39.119 I can't say that it's all bad. I was expecting 1496 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:41.560 it to be terrible, but for God's sakes, I love 1497 01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:45.199 Brian Brown and I love Rachel Ward and having them 1498 01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.960 in here. Yeah, actual Australians in this movie. That was 1499 01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:49.399 pretty remarkable. 1500 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:52.560 Just to buck you up in all that, really, Armando 1501 01:22:52.640 --> 01:22:57.800 Sante interests keeps saying interesting but just yeah, why will 1502 01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:00.800 maybe my first jokes? But yeah, and just such a 1503 01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:03.479 different so we can't get any further away from Gregory 1504 01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:08.039 pet just a different universe here. But yeah, nice to 1505 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:11.760 see Brian Brown. I love Brian Brown. That the Hawaiian 1506 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:16.560 shirt thing is of course, that's his personality in a nutshow. 1507 01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:20.199 Really isn't it. They did a good job with the 1508 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:24.680 Moira character being a bit more what the drinking anyway 1509 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:28.079 for there's a better ways to say that, I'm sure. 1510 01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:30.920 But our sort of drinking problem, which in the original 1511 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:33.880 film I feel feels to be quite toned down, is 1512 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.039 there a bit but it's not really in your face 1513 01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:39.680 as much. But yes, happy to hear other people's thoughts 1514 01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:40.119 on this one. 1515 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:44.359 I think that you may have mentioned something about this 1516 01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:48.680 in a correspondence with his mic that this was the 1517 01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:51.960 only ride of film could be made in two thousand. 1518 01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:54.840 The reserve nature of. 1519 01:23:56.359 --> 01:24:00.640 The Dwight Towers character that Gregory Peck gave him, he 1520 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.720 obviously could not be that reserved in a two thousand film, 1521 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:07.479 where in this case it was a TV not center 1522 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:08.319 of viewing audiences. 1523 01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:10.119 But TV viewing audiences. 1524 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:14.199 Had come to expect different behavior from their heroes. They 1525 01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:17.840 had to kick ass, they were allowed to say fuck 1526 01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:19.119 where they needed to. 1527 01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:20.520 And. 1528 01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:26.760 Dwight Towers was going to be that gung ho American. 1529 01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:30.119 I think the first time we see Brian Brand in 1530 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:31.880 the film, which is like within five minutes of the 1531 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:36.640 film starting where I'm under Sanity comes in to take 1532 01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:39.079 him in saying we're bringing you off this island that 1533 01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:42.239 you've gone and retired to. We need you back for 1534 01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:44.319 a mission, and if you give me any shit, I'm 1535 01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:48.039 going to break your arm. And Gregory Peck would never 1536 01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:50.199 have said that, and the character in the book would 1537 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:50.800 never have said that. 1538 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:51.279 It was a thing. 1539 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:53.319 As I said at the start of this that I 1540 01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:55.640 read the book before I saw the film. But the 1541 01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:59.640 whole time I'm reading the book, I'm hearing everything that 1542 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:04.720 the Dwight Towers character is saying in Gregory Peck's voice 1543 01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:10.439 that rang true to me. I would never ever have thought, oh, 1544 01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:13.760 it is something armand Assante would have done. And yet, 1545 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:17.560 as I said in the year two thousand, that's the 1546 01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:20.319 way that you had to make that film. I mean, 1547 01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:22.560 maybe it could have been made different, but the manners 1548 01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:25.760 of the characters could never have been the way it 1549 01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:29.840 was in the nineteen fifty nine version. Fred Astaire, even 1550 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:32.319 as angry as he gets, he still has some level 1551 01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:36.840 of dignity. Brian Brand's just a smart ass who is 1552 01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:40.279 telling everyone you don't like me, get fucked. He's that 1553 01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:44.760 alaric and Australian character that you see in those type 1554 01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:45.840 of Australian films. 1555 01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:48.359 He's going to be the worst while we see him 1556 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:51.039 at parties and just like you're all going to die, 1557 01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:54.279 you know that, right, Yeah, go ahead and dance, have fun, but. 1558 01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:56.680 You're all gonna die. And it's like Jesus chrazy. 1559 01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:59.319 Now I'm the smartest guy in this room right now. 1560 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:03.439 Hey, yeah, we believe you, We believe you. Yeah, Hey, 1561 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:06.920 Mari coming home with you? Oh god, that was a lot. 1562 01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:11.159 And yeah, to have this new love triangle really introduced 1563 01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:13.520 here as far as is she going to go with 1564 01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:16.159 the navy commander or is she going to go with 1565 01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:22.000 the rogue scientists who I guess is Ian Malcolming at times. 1566 01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:26.520 But oh yeah, it was interesting. And the thing that 1567 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:31.520 I really liked was that Mary was a conspiracy theorist, 1568 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:34.520 that she's getting all of her information from the Internet 1569 01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:36.640 doing her own research. 1570 01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:39.840 Damn it, that's what happens in the AHA. Does know 1571 01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:41.279 anywhere in the twenty fifth century. 1572 01:26:41.319 --> 01:26:43.600 They've had the internet now for three years, so they 1573 01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:46.079 are already just like I read about this on the 1574 01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:48.880 Internet or I heard a scientist talking about this on 1575 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:51.279 the radio, and I do like Brian Brown just being like, 1576 01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:53.840 what was the name, what was the person's name, where 1577 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:56.279 did you hear this? It's like that whole thing of like. 1578 01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:57.800 What's your source on this? 1579 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:03.880 And even the relationship between Mary and Peter. So Mary's 1580 01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:07.800 played by a really good character actress, Jacqueline Mackenzie. I 1581 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:11.880 think for time she did anything where people discovered was 1582 01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:15.439 in Rompers Stomper. I don't remember who played Peter Holmes 1583 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:19.279 in there, but even their relationship Grant Bowler, thank you. 1584 01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:23.800 Even their relationship is I wouldn't say the relationship is 1585 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.279 different in that he doesn't love it quite as much 1586 01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:30.760 as Anthony Perkins loves Donald Anderson in the original one, 1587 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:35.279 but he's not quite as prepared to put up with 1588 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:38.800 her wanting to believe the best. He is trying us 1589 01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:42.840 out get a grip, we're going just accept it, which 1590 01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:46.039 is not something Anthony Perkins would have done. Nice little 1591 01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:50.199 point of trivia I found out. So the actor who's 1592 01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:53.880 playing the Prime Minister in the two thousand version is 1593 01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:56.600 one of our great character actors, Bill Hunter. You may 1594 01:27:56.680 --> 01:28:02.279 remember him from News Front and the father in Muriel's Wedding. 1595 01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:05.079 At least over here. For me, he was one of 1596 01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:08.960 the faces of Australia. He's so good in Priscilla. 1597 01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:12.840 The interesting thing about him, and he already had a 1598 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:17.880 connection to on the Beach. Apparently he was Gregory Peck's 1599 01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:21.840 swimming double in the nineteen fifty nine version when he 1600 01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:23.840 falls off the boat and he's going to swim after 1601 01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:27.359 it is Bill Hunter, who was like an award winning swimmer. 1602 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:30.880 So there you go. Connection. Maybe the only actor who 1603 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:32.479 appeared in both versions. 1604 01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:35.960 I kept wondering that was John Million still wive at 1605 01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:37.560 this point. That would have been kind of cool to 1606 01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:40.960 bring him back, because yeah, he was the other like, oh, 1607 01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:44.279 we are watching an Australian film because John Million is 1608 01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:47.680 an at although mind you, I think really what they 1609 01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:51.560 should have done with John Million in EA version is 1610 01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:54.680 put him behind the bar, because that's where he goes. 1611 01:28:55.239 --> 01:28:57.319 When I first came on the show and we did 1612 01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:01.000 Wake and Fright and I brought up another film, Soundstrack, 1613 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:04.319 once again his character is behind the bar, but given 1614 01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:07.680 a lot more of a role to do. But yeah, 1615 01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:12.079 I hear John Million's voice. He's done other things, of course, but. 1616 01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:15.600 I wanted to hear John Million documentary. I really do. 1617 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.640 I'd love to see even now, just because he was Yeah, 1618 01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:20.920 he's in everything, and he was so good in everything. 1619 01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:23.520 He did. If anyone's out, please. 1620 01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:23.600 Have a go. 1621 01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:28.039 Have you watched I think it's Terry Frost's favorite Australian 1622 01:29:28.079 --> 01:29:30.560 film certainly, if not his favorite film all that news 1623 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:32.239 front from round and seventy four. 1624 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:33.199 Watch that. 1625 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:37.399 He's amazing, absolutely amazing and the get it out, Jonathan, 1626 01:29:37.720 --> 01:29:38.479 you might regret it. 1627 01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:40.359 Brilliant film. It's great. 1628 01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:42.279 Listen. I'm just gonna have to drop in my Jack 1629 01:29:42.359 --> 01:29:44.920 Thompson's story as well, just because we're here. When I 1630 01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:47.680 was in Australia that second time, they were doing a 1631 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:52.079 remake of A South Pacific with Glenn Cloaks up in 1632 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:55.920 the Queensland and and Cairn's I think it was. And anyways, 1633 01:29:56.199 --> 01:29:58.119 short version is I got a part as an extra 1634 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:01.279 and I was in a scene with Glenn close and 1635 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.119 so there was this old guy in the background and 1636 01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:06.760 I didn't know who he watched. So this was again 1637 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:09.279 two thousand and two thousand and one. My film knowledge 1638 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:11.000 was a lot less, and this old guy was in 1639 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:12.760 the background and they kept seeing him and he would 1640 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:13.800 sitting down and have a cigarette. 1641 01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:14.159 Exciting. 1642 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.840 Anyway, turns out it was Jack Thompson and I was 1643 01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:20.159 just so close to him. Now looking back, I think 1644 01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:22.680 I found only I probably I wouldn't have been allowed to, 1645 01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:25.239 I guess as an extra. But if I just somehow 1646 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:27.680 found a way to say hello to her, just talked 1647 01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:30.680 to her because he's another one of my favorite actors 1648 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:34.279 and amazing and everything. The film's not that great. That 1649 01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:36.920 was a TV movie as well, so it was like 1650 01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:39.680 one episode did like a film. But yeah, there was 1651 01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:42.840 a lot of that American anyway, that's a whole tangent 1652 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:45.640 about American films being filmed in Australia around about two 1653 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:48.920 thy nineteen ninet two thousand. I guess maybe tax Maybe 1654 01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:51.079 there's a good tax breaks at the time in Australia. 1655 01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:55.520 I don't know, but in the yikes, I think now 1656 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:58.000 it was in the seventies there was I think, and 1657 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:02.000 any Australians listening to this will throttle me if I 1658 01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:04.000 get this wrong, but I probably will be called the 1659 01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:09.800 ten Ba form, which was all about writing films against tax. 1660 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:14.199 But I'm sure after this goes to where my great 1661 01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:17.279 friend Paul Ryan will pull me aside and say, listen, Morris, 1662 01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:20.079 we're friends, but you didn't quite get that right. 1663 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:24.199 Listen, if we ever do a say specific episodes, you 1664 01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:26.039 can get the fights absolutely spot on. 1665 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:28.520 Yeah, yeah, that was two than one. 1666 01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:31.239 Yeah, and like he was in Attack of the Clones 1667 01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.319 in two thousand and two, and I don't think he 1668 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:35.439 was in the Matrix. But like, for me, the Matrix 1669 01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:37.479 is the one that really I was like, Oh, they're 1670 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:40.600 shooting a lot in Australia, now, okay. 1671 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:42.840 So I think I just missed the Matrix when I 1672 01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:44.920 was a bit we're filming the new Star Wars and 1673 01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:50.000 four studios, I think said, anyway, we've got off for 1674 01:31:50.039 --> 01:31:51.279 the whole time. Doent apologize. 1675 01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:52.760 No worries, man, no worries. 1676 01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:57.279 They have the baby that they have between Peter and 1677 01:31:57.439 --> 01:32:01.920 Mary or John and Mary. But it's like she gets 1678 01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:04.159 introduced so late in the game that I didn't even 1679 01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.039 realize that she was a thing, Like, oh, okay, well 1680 01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:07.960 this is kind of cool that it's just these two 1681 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:10.439 as a couple and there's no there's not going to 1682 01:32:10.479 --> 01:32:13.960 back about having to murder the baby. But she eventually 1683 01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:17.920 shows up. I love too just how going back to 1684 01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:19.760 and you can kind of see this in the movie 1685 01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:23.520 that she is so paranoid about that baby. There's one 1686 01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:26.720 scene where it's really hot in the house and of 1687 01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:29.079 course they don't have air conditioning at this point, so 1688 01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:31.880 they take the baby and put her out on the 1689 01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:36.800 porch and the wife is like, you need to go 1690 01:32:37.039 --> 01:32:39.640 get some mosquito netting and put that over top of 1691 01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:43.600 the baby. It's just these mosquitoes bitten by all these mosquitoes. 1692 01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:45.560 And he's like, I don't think we need to worry 1693 01:32:45.600 --> 01:32:48.039 about that, but she's very insistent, and then he'd go 1694 01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:50.119 and he gets some different type of gauze because they 1695 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:52.680 don't have mosquito netting, and she's like, well, the baby's 1696 01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:56.359 gonnaocate now, and they have to spend all night by 1697 01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:59.800 the baby making sure it doesn't suffocate with this like 1698 01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:01.399 muslim over top of it. 1699 01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:04.479 It's crib. She's really paranoid. 1700 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:07.319 So when he has to suggest that they're going to 1701 01:33:07.399 --> 01:33:11.560 have to euthanize their daughter, you can really see just 1702 01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:14.520 how she breaks down. And there's a whole where it's 1703 01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:16.640 where she and I think it's in the Yeah, it's 1704 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:18.560 in the movie too, where she decides that she's going 1705 01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:20.439 to take a trip back to England. So like she 1706 01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.920 is completely broken with reality, but to have this one 1707 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:29.520 where it's the Internet is breaking her reality is very fascinating. Dude, literally, 1708 01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:32.199 I don't think she literally says, I do. I've done 1709 01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:34.439 my own research. But it was right there far as 1710 01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:37.399 like why I've heard this, I've heard this, And her 1711 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:43.279 husband sees the map of this radiation cloud and he's like, no, honey, 1712 01:33:43.399 --> 01:33:46.520 the northern hemisphere is not getting better. She's like, well, 1713 01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:48.680 what do you know, even though he's just seen the 1714 01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:53.319 scientific map. But that one's interesting too. There's a lot 1715 01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:56.199 more when it comes to the crew of the sub 1716 01:33:56.399 --> 01:33:58.800 and some of the relationships of the crew on the sub. 1717 01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:01.520 But I have to say most of the guys on 1718 01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:06.119 the sub just fit the brief of semi hunky but 1719 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:10.399 really horny. And the scene of them all singing that 1720 01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:15.439 boulderezed version of money, money, Oh my god. It was 1721 01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:18.640 so embarrassing to me. And just like as soon as 1722 01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:21.119 they find out that they're going to Australia, it's just 1723 01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:23.800 like they start talking basically like oh we can get 1724 01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:26.000 some of that sweet Aussie boom tang, and I'm like, 1725 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:28.680 what the fuck am I watch that script? 1726 01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:33.039 I'd love to know whether it was written by David Williamson, 1727 01:34:33.439 --> 01:34:39.560 who's a revered playwright certainly and most popular playwright through 1728 01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:43.680 the seventies and you're talking before, Don'tathan about being on 1729 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:48.119 the same set as Jack Thompson and David Williamson wrote 1730 01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:51.920 a play which became a actor. Most of his plays 1731 01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:56.399 became films, one called The Club, which was about mckismo 1732 01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:58.239 at a football. 1733 01:34:57.840 --> 01:34:58.840 Club here in Melbourne. 1734 01:34:59.119 --> 01:34:59.800 Thompson and not one. 1735 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:03.359 Well, yeah, in the club, absolutely, yeah, of course he 1736 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:05.119 was in everything in the seventies. 1737 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:05.840 But I'm trying to think. 1738 01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:08.640 I'm sure he was in something else that David Williamson raight, 1739 01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:13.520 But David Williamson was the guy for a long time. 1740 01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:17.840 And yet I wasn't sure whether it was either Russell 1741 01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:21.920 Mulkay's influence or David Williamson thought that some of these 1742 01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:27.399 moments were appropriate, worthy of the story. 1743 01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:28.680 It just didn't work. 1744 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:33.279 That whole machismo thing on the ships, on the submarine, 1745 01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:37.720 it just seemed like a little bit overblown. I did 1746 01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:39.680 think it was a good move, and I think they 1747 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.119 did this on the to break. They broke it up 1748 01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:47.800 over the two nights where the sailors think that there's 1749 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:50.520 a chance that there is life in the Northern Hemisphere 1750 01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.760 and radiation has stopped and they are going to survive. 1751 01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:57.680 And then by the second part no, they're not going 1752 01:35:57.760 --> 01:36:00.640 to survive. That was truly heartbreaking. I think that was 1753 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:04.600 well written. I'd like to get your opinions though, on 1754 01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:08.439 that moment where armand De sante as a captain and 1755 01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.600 comes back to your captain Kirk comment before Mike, Yeah, 1756 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:14.640 the captain's going to be the one that goes on shore. 1757 01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:17.640 It goes to that investigation, and with only a few 1758 01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:19.159 minutes to go before they have to be back on 1759 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:22.119 the submarine, he walks into a house because it reminds 1760 01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:25.359 him of the house he had with his wife and child, 1761 01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:28.800 and he has that moment where he's just imagining that 1762 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:32.439 psychedelic moment where he imagines how they've all died, and 1763 01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:36.760 he just tears apart. He's no longer the captain who's 1764 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:41.760 in control of everything. He's the human being with a 1765 01:36:41.880 --> 01:36:45.399 wife and kid or kids that are no longer there. 1766 01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:49.960 But I'm still torn between whether that was well done 1767 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:53.800 or whether that was overly melodramatic for the type of 1768 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:54.800 film that they were making. 1769 01:36:55.840 --> 01:36:58.439 For me, it was a little overdone. I mean, you 1770 01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:02.880 had those moments like the sky kind of changes behind 1771 01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:07.000 him where he almost shifts into another reality and it 1772 01:37:07.239 --> 01:37:10.880 just becomes it's weird, Like the scene of him destroying 1773 01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:13.479 the house and going into the house and seeing his 1774 01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:18.319 wife and kid, it reminded me of RoboCop for some reason, 1775 01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:22.560 just the way that when Alex revisits his home and 1776 01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:25.560 starts having those flashes, wife, I have something to say 1777 01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:28.520 to you, like those kind of things. I'm like, yeah, 1778 01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:32.319 this reminds me. And then RoboCop kind of fritzes out 1779 01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:35.840 and stomps out of the house kind of thing. Stomping 1780 01:37:35.880 --> 01:37:37.560 out would make a lot more sense to me than 1781 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:40.319 destroying the house and yeah, Jehan, dude, you know you 1782 01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:43.159 need to go. But I can understand he's having a 1783 01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:47.560 very tough time kind of like that he is really 1784 01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:50.479 having a hard time with his wife and kid, kid 1785 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:54.479 or kids being dead, because we get that denial from 1786 01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:57.079 Gregory Peck in the first version. This one, it's like 1787 01:37:57.199 --> 01:38:00.680 he wants to put that stuff aside, wants to keep 1788 01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:03.119 that at bait, and then it keeps breaking through, it 1789 01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:05.840 keeps fucking him up. So I was like, I can 1790 01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:08.479 kind of see where this is going from. But because 1791 01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:11.720 again it's Armanda Sante, it just felt like if he 1792 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:13.319 wasn't going to break up to set, he was going 1793 01:38:13.399 --> 01:38:14.479 to start chewing it to death. 1794 01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:18.159 You can't touched on that. There might the comparison with 1795 01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:20.359 the Gregory pet character. I don't think it was good 1796 01:38:20.399 --> 01:38:22.119 on in his head at the time. He just was 1797 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:23.800 not accepting what was happening. 1798 01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:24.199 Were was. 1799 01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:28.079 I guess this was a good way to show rather 1800 01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:31.479 just to talk about how you're feeling. So I suppose, yeah, 1801 01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:33.920 maybe a bit over the top, but if you have 1802 01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:37.119 to visualize it some way, then maybe that's the way 1803 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:37.399 to do it. 1804 01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:41.119 I also liked the whole thing with the guy who 1805 01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:45.880 goes fishing and leaves the boat, and especially where that 1806 01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:50.399 comes in the story with the realizing just I'll screwed up, 1807 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:53.439 because even though it didn't look very good, I thought 1808 01:38:53.560 --> 01:38:57.840 the showing the destruction of San Francisco was pretty cool. 1809 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:01.439 And then to see him look out the periscope and 1810 01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:02.920 seeing his old neighborhood. 1811 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:04.640 I'm talking about the officer. 1812 01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:09.640 That leaves the ship to see where he used to live, 1813 01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:11.800 and he's just like, if only that periscope were a 1814 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:14.560 one hundred feet higher, I could see my house, And 1815 01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:18.640 just that idea again of not seeing the bodies and 1816 01:39:18.720 --> 01:39:21.920 not seeing the destruction they'd mentioned at one point, Oh, 1817 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:24.880 they must have used a neutron bomb or something, because yeah, 1818 01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:28.720 everything Obviously you're not gonna afford to show everything destroyed 1819 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:31.159 unless you have a really bad Matt painting kind of thing. 1820 01:39:31.239 --> 01:39:34.960 But to just show everything looks like it's a normal day, 1821 01:39:35.159 --> 01:39:37.840 just with nobody on the streets kind of thing, and 1822 01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:43.079 obviously with radiation being completely can't smell it, can't see it, 1823 01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:46.199 none of this stuff, so it just looks like it's 1824 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.079 a beautiful day in San Francisco and this guy's I 1825 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:53.079 can't handle this and that break with reality. I thought 1826 01:39:53.159 --> 01:39:55.119 that was really good as well. And I mean that 1827 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:57.439 scene works in the first movie just as well as 1828 01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:00.720 it does in this one for different reasons. That one 1829 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:03.920 in the TV movie hit me even harder for whatever reason. 1830 01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:06.880 Yeah, and I think as well, just even go right 1831 01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:09.600 back to the beginning where it starts off very similarish 1832 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:12.680 to the original film, especially when he gets to Melbourne 1833 01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:15.720 and he's walking through those streets. But of course it's 1834 01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:18.319 a different take because this one is very brutal, people 1835 01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:21.640 smashing a windows and things. That was interesting to see 1836 01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:25.800 you as a sort of parallel, universal almost version of 1837 01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:27.600 the first film, and it brought it a bit more 1838 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:29.880 to life, and I don't know what you thought about that. 1839 01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:33.199 Mars again talking about seeing Melbourne on the screen. 1840 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:37.159 As I said at the start, I love watching any 1841 01:40:37.279 --> 01:40:41.720 film where there are recognizable Melbourne landmarks up until now. 1842 01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:47.319 My big one for that was film from I want 1843 01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:50.720 to say ninety ninety I called The Big Stale with 1844 01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:56.520 Mendelsome playing a real good guy role. But there's a 1845 01:40:56.640 --> 01:41:00.479 saying of places that are recognized. A car park in 1846 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:05.520 Little Burke Street and this one thing where is it 1847 01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:08.119 a film you've seen, Jonathan, which one the biggest thing, 1848 01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:09.720 The Big Steer with Ben mendels think. 1849 01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:13.479 I bought Thistrelian Blue Ry, but I again, I watched it. 1850 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:15.640 Get it out. 1851 01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:20.600 So there's this one moment in the no self respecting 1852 01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:24.079 mel Bernie and wouldn't scoff at, But everywhere else I 1853 01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:30.039 wouldn't know where the sneaky car dealer is driving this 1854 01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:33.319 car with a crappy motor, and I won't go into 1855 01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:35.600 the whole store how that happens. But he's pulled over 1856 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:38.520 by the cops and he's driving over the Swanston Street 1857 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:41.159 bridge and he's told by the cops to pull over, 1858 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:43.760 and the next thing that we see he pulls over. 1859 01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:46.520 It's about six seven kilometers down the road in front 1860 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:49.840 of Luna Parkinson Kilda. If you're outside of Melbourne, that 1861 01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:53.680 means nothing. Dous Melburnie ands we think, what's that all about? 1862 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.439 But yeah, long answer to a short question, but I 1863 01:41:56.560 --> 01:42:00.199 do love seeing my home city on film all the ways. 1864 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:02.640 Have The whole thing is just a bit too long, 1865 01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:04.560 of course, if you're going to have to do with 1866 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:07.479 te nights, but it is nice to have more moments 1867 01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:11.960 of different people dealing with the impending. But I certainly 1868 01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:13.920 prefer the first version. 1869 01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:17.159 Two s You were asking Morris how we felt about 1870 01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:20.680 seeing Melbourne on screen again. So much of the film 1871 01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:23.880 felt like it wasn't Melbourne, that it wasn't any place. 1872 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:26.239 It felt like it was the studio backlot, Like with 1873 01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:28.800 some of those scenes of the carnage and you know, 1874 01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.119 destroying the street, the windows and stuff. 1875 01:42:31.159 --> 01:42:33.760 I was like, it just looks like a cheap backlot, 1876 01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:35.119 I think. 1877 01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:38.560 And then just some of the effects too, looked pretty ropey, 1878 01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:42.319 especially Brian Brown's car crash at the end. 1879 01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:43.920 I was like, this is how you're going to end 1880 01:42:44.079 --> 01:42:44.600 this movie. 1881 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:48.560 You're going to end this with this horrible cig explosion, 1882 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:51.680 and I love how the tire like bounces across the 1883 01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:54.319 screen and when they pull up and they've got the 1884 01:42:54.399 --> 01:42:57.720 helicopter shot and you just see the shitty see cheeks 1885 01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:01.119 still going the fire. I was like, oh man, this 1886 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:04.399 is such a bad way to end this movie. The 1887 01:43:04.479 --> 01:43:07.880 thing I liked too about this one was the way 1888 01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:11.560 that Armanda Sante takes Rachel Ward for a helicopter ride. 1889 01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:13.720 I was just like, Okay, are they going to just 1890 01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:15.960 plow themselves? Are they going to do a John Denver 1891 01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:19.039 here and just kill themselves at the side of a mountain. 1892 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.720 But it's like, no, I guess they're going. 1893 01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:24.439 To survive this, And yeah, I agree with you Morris 1894 01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:27.159 as far as the final image of a Sante coming 1895 01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:28.520 in and joining Rachel Ward. 1896 01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:31.039 But at the same time, can you say no to that? 1897 01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:35.079 She would make me kidnap a kid and murder people. 1898 01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:36.000 That's what I'm saying. 1899 01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:38.119 If she called me Collie, I would do whatever she 1900 01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:38.680 wanted me to. 1901 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:41.920 Have a look at you now, because it's just an 1902 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:45.279 empty space. I'm not going to seem ful Colin sip, 1903 01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:46.960 but you should. 1904 01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:47.560 You should. 1905 01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:50.239 She's almost enough to make me want to watch the 1906 01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:53.520 Thornbirds which is what introduced her to so many Americans. 1907 01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:58.960 Was that series really caught fire over here for whatever reason? 1908 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:04.720 I remember it was huge. Yeah, go back to that ending. Yeah, 1909 01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:07.720 they tried to give the happy ending, didn't we bizarrely 1910 01:44:08.039 --> 01:44:11.520 bizarre happy ending that is not happy. Right. 1911 01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:15.119 So you've got the married couple now in bed with 1912 01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:17.520 the baby, and you see the needle and you're just like, 1913 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:20.640 oh fuck, and then get away from that as quickly 1914 01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:25.600 as possible. And then it cutting between Brian Brown driving 1915 01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:27.960 that car. And that was one shot that I really liked, 1916 01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:31.279 was the bridge where you see him and it almost 1917 01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:34.159 looks like the colors are saturated on everything other than 1918 01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:37.479 his red car that he's driving. And then yeah, just 1919 01:44:37.600 --> 01:44:40.920 him careeming through the turns on this race track. 1920 01:44:41.439 --> 01:44:42.399 And that was the thing too. 1921 01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.479 There isn't that whole racing subplot that we're talking about. 1922 01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:48.000 He just at the end is like, cool a fast car, 1923 01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:51.560 rather than I'm to go through the circuit and win 1924 01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:55.520 this race and stuff. The destruction of the here and 1925 01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:58.720 the entropy that I was taught out, it happens pretty 1926 01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:02.000 fast once it does have the street urchins kind of thing. 1927 01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:04.920 I was like, all right, but it kind. 1928 01:45:04.760 --> 01:45:07.079 Of feels more true to life as far as people 1929 01:45:07.199 --> 01:45:10.720 just becoming like roving bands. Like to me, I was like, oh, okay, 1930 01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:14.479 this is more the Mad Max prequel kind of thing 1931 01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:16.479 more than the original. 1932 01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:16.680 On the beach. 1933 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:19.600 But but yeah, then it just looked cheap. The way 1934 01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:22.159 that they had like dirt smudge around their faces. I 1935 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:24.880 was like, this looks like an episode again of Star Trek. 1936 01:45:24.960 --> 01:45:27.880 It feels like when they arrived on Earth and there's 1937 01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:31.279 shitty little kids that can have psych powers and they 1938 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:34.079 all look dirty and like they've been hanging around an 1939 01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:35.239 abandoned city. 1940 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:37.239 Ring around around. 1941 01:45:44.399 --> 01:45:46.000 Some of these sets look really good. 1942 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:49.359 These exteriors look really good, but sometimes the sets just 1943 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:52.560 looked really cheap, and like I said, the special effects 1944 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:55.920 looked cheap. I was really okay with the idea of 1945 01:45:56.119 --> 01:46:00.560 the computer message coming in from I guess that was Alaska, 1946 01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:04.039 and the whole thing of it being a different type 1947 01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:07.199 of message coming to them rather than obviously Morse code, 1948 01:46:07.239 --> 01:46:08.880 which I don't think is going to be sent out 1949 01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:12.359 in two thousand and did they did they set this 1950 01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:14.880 in two thousand, because they set the nineteen fifty fifty 1951 01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:18.520 nine movie in nineteen sixty four. I don't remember if 1952 01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:21.199 they set the two thousand movie in any year other 1953 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:22.119 than two thousand. 1954 01:46:23.079 --> 01:46:27.199 I don't remember anything being mentioned about a yeah, so 1955 01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:28.479 it might as well have been. 1956 01:46:28.640 --> 01:46:30.840 And yet they had that montage at the beginning with 1957 01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:33.800 all the news clips, which made me think that we 1958 01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:37.920 were to watch a rapture film. Just also, the production 1959 01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:41.960 quality of US at times reminded me of those left 1960 01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:42.840 Behind films. 1961 01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:46.079 I was just going to say about just came to 1962 01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:50.239 mind about that last mentioning the last scene with in 1963 01:46:50.279 --> 01:46:53.359 the original. We've got that and there's still time brother 1964 01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:56.760 sign and then that's when we get a poem, and 1965 01:46:56.840 --> 01:46:58.920 I think I would have I was, actually I'm sure 1966 01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:00.800 maybe you were as well. Thing to see what they 1967 01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:04.239 reference that original ending. I sort of do, but I 1968 01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:07.119 don't think it's It definitely doesn't have the impact of 1969 01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:11.479 that original, which is strange. I don't know why you wouldn't, 1970 01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:13.800 not that you can one up. I don't think that 1971 01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:17.560 original ending, but you could try, and I don't. This 1972 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:20.039 one just goes no, We'll just have them standing there 1973 01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:22.880 hugging and kissing or whatever, and then a little poem 1974 01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:24.520 in the side, and it ends, and you've got to 1975 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:25.319 read the pot. 1976 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:28.079 You're like what's that saying? It's just strange. What's not 1977 01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:30.760 even the poem that gives the movie it's title. It's 1978 01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:35.560 not wasn't it? Was it the Holloman or the Wasteland. 1979 01:47:35.680 --> 01:47:38.159 I'm trying to remember it was the tsliot one though, right. 1980 01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:39.720 I think so? Yeah? 1981 01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:42.199 And so it's like, oh, I thought that they would 1982 01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:44.920 have ended with that, but why do I know? 1983 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:48.039 Right? I was just waiting. I just thought, right, what 1984 01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:49.479 are they going to do here? They're going to just 1985 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:53.600 show the same banner? But no, okay, that's that. 1986 01:47:54.319 --> 01:47:56.079 All right, Let's go ahead and take another break, and 1987 01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:58.239 we'll play a previous for next week's show right after 1988 01:47:58.359 --> 01:47:59.840 these brief messages. 1989 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:11.920 To Adot, he's my usky, see Tobya. She'sky see Tobya. 1990 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:19.279 She'sky see Tobya. Minute silentiary Sash. 1991 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:20.479 That's right. 1992 01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:22.680 We'll be back next week with a look at Lahan 1993 01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:25.840 or Laine the eight, however you want to say it. 1994 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:27.920 Until then, I want to think this week's co hosts 1995 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:31.079 Morris and Jonathan. So, Jonathan, what is the latest with you? 1996 01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:31.359 Sir? 1997 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:38.159 Another book? It's been ten years since I, I think 1998 01:48:38.279 --> 01:48:40.560 the first time I was on this podcast, certainly the 1999 01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:42.680 first time you wrote a blurb to the back of 2000 01:48:42.800 --> 01:48:45.720 my book on Tremors, so thank you. Ten years on. 2001 01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:49.560 The new one is about a TV show called Hamish Macbeth. 2002 01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:52.079 If you've not heard of it, it's a BBC TV 2003 01:48:52.199 --> 01:48:56.439 show from nineteen ninety five round for three years. Robert 2004 01:48:56.479 --> 01:49:00.439 Carlisle was known at the time, but he wasn't a 2005 01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:03.279 big name and as he started making this show, he 2006 01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:07.319 then got Trainspotting by the second series. By the third 2007 01:49:07.439 --> 01:49:10.800 series he'd made the Full Monty, so he was huge. 2008 01:49:11.039 --> 01:49:13.359 And it's basically just a book about the TV show, 2009 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:16.479 which is if you like local hero or northern exposure. 2010 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:18.720 There's kind of a theme there. It's about little village 2011 01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:21.840 in the northwest of Highlands of Scotland and he's a 2012 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:27.079 policeman called Hamish McBeth. Crazy name, crazy place, and strange 2013 01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:30.319 things happen and it's the police drama, but it's also 2014 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:34.159 a comedy and it's supernatural and the second side people 2015 01:49:34.319 --> 01:49:37.720 have visions, so it's been fun. So I've been speaking 2016 01:49:37.760 --> 01:49:38.880 to lots of people involved. 2017 01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:40.960 It's speaking of Robert Carlisle. 2018 01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:44.359 I met Carallel and asked him if you would be 2019 01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:47.000 part of it, and he said he doesn't like looking back, 2020 01:49:48.159 --> 01:49:51.479 so he everybody else said yes, said the guy who 2021 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.399 did try and spotting that too, and the full Monty 2022 01:49:54.520 --> 01:49:55.119 TV series. 2023 01:49:55.279 --> 01:49:56.079 Oh of course. 2024 01:49:56.239 --> 01:49:56.439 Yeah. 2025 01:49:57.680 --> 01:49:59.920 Yeah, So that's why we're working. So as this episode's come, 2026 01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:01.720 the book should be eight. Yeah. 2027 01:50:01.880 --> 01:50:02.960 Oh that's awesome. 2028 01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:07.039 Spiritulations and Morris about yourself, what do you up to? 2029 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:11.800 So we're recording this in March. So I'm going to 2030 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:15.800 release part two of a two part episode of Love 2031 01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:18.600 That Album, which thank you, Mike, you were very kind 2032 01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:20.399 to be a part of. I was speaking to a 2033 01:50:20.439 --> 01:50:24.960 whole bunch of music people and podcast people about their 2034 01:50:25.039 --> 01:50:29.560 recollections of first going into record shops, and you're in 2035 01:50:29.760 --> 01:50:32.800 part two, which should be at about a week from 2036 01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:37.840 now as we record this for see here, I'm very 2037 01:50:37.960 --> 01:50:41.520 excited for the next episode. I'm speaking to a guy 2038 01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:45.319 called Kenny Vance who was part of the group from 2039 01:50:45.359 --> 01:50:48.560 the early nineteen sixties, Jay and the Americans. He's gone 2040 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:52.239 and made a film call which I think is shown 2041 01:50:52.279 --> 01:50:56.399 in America on PBS called Heart and Soul, a love story, 2042 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:01.199 and I think he's also doing Q and a cinema 2043 01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:06.920 screenings are But it's basically not exactly like a history 2044 01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:10.039 of do wop, but more like he speaks to people 2045 01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:15.000 from Anthony and the Imperials and the surviving members of 2046 01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:19.039 the Teenagers and all these other great do wop groups 2047 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:23.439 about their recollections of being part of the do wop 2048 01:51:23.520 --> 01:51:26.640 scene in the late fifties. Now, a lot of these interviews, 2049 01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:30.359 I'd say they look like about ten fifteen years old 2050 01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:34.239 because the way the video footage is, and I'm sure 2051 01:51:34.319 --> 01:51:36.159 that some of these people are no longer with us, 2052 01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:40.560 but I'm a huge fan of do wop music, so 2053 01:51:41.159 --> 01:51:44.399 they're the opportunity to speak to Kenny about his film, 2054 01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:45.640 which is a lovely film. 2055 01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:49.039 I must say. Anyone out there who can. 2056 01:51:49.079 --> 01:51:51.960 Watch it on PBS or see it at a cinema 2057 01:51:52.039 --> 01:51:53.760 that's doing a Q and A with Kenny, I urge 2058 01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:55.399 you to go do it. I'll be speaking with him 2059 01:51:55.600 --> 01:52:00.399 next week for release a week later on seat here do. 2060 01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:03.479 Wop that people sing around those oil cans with the 2061 01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:05.680 fires inside, not waltson Matilda. 2062 01:52:06.039 --> 01:52:08.439 Just yeah over here, that's what we do. We do. 2063 01:52:08.600 --> 01:52:11.319 What versions? Am I ever going to see your face again? 2064 01:52:12.079 --> 01:52:15.600 That really should be Australia's national anthem. Ask any Australian 2065 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:19.079 that you made, what is a normal response to that song, 2066 01:52:19.359 --> 01:52:20.880 Am I ever going to see your face again? 2067 01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:21.199 And we do? 2068 01:52:21.279 --> 01:52:22.880 What versions of that round the old game? 2069 01:52:23.079 --> 01:52:26.920 I thought it would be timey kangaroo down mate, fuck off. 2070 01:52:28.439 --> 01:52:30.720 Thank you again folks for being on the show. Thanks 2071 01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:32.640 to everybody for listening. If you want to hear more 2072 01:52:32.680 --> 01:52:34.159 of me shooting off my mouth, check out some of 2073 01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:36.039 the other shows that I work on. They are all 2074 01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:40.560 available at Wirdingwaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our Patreon community. 2075 01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:43.279 If you want to join the community, visit patreon dot 2076 01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:46.319 com Slash Projection Booth. Every donation we get helps the 2077 01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:48.239 Projection Booth take over the world. 2078 01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:34.199 You got do the gods? 2079 01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:39.159 Don't try the game? It's top. 2080 01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:51.840 Splash us time? Why try then? 2081 01:53:52.000 --> 01:54:12.960 So say the problems go bad? 2082 01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:17.560 They get the mat. 2083 01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:20.439 Side? 2084 01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:29.159 Was my god? 2085 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:41.239 What time we get to tell the small until the 2086 01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:57.439 sound of the South South gets the ma. 2087 01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:44.039 Boss a chop sting the. 2088 01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:57.920 Rights web, the lad. 2089 01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:58.880 Got by and tomato sauce the same again for the 2090 01:56:59.079 --> 01:57:02.800 second course from Perth to Sydney. They all endorse that 2091 01:57:03.479 --> 01:57:12.560 hot pie and tomato sauce. They say the cooking in 2092 01:57:12.680 --> 01:57:15.000 Australia is pretty. 2093 01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:15.840 Much of a failure. 2094 01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:19.239 But there's one thing they consume with zest. It's the 2095 01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:22.680 dish the Australians like the best, and it's the hot 2096 01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:27.000 pie and tomato sauce. The same again for the second course. 2097 01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:28.560 From Perth to Sydney. 2098 01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:39.079 They all endorse that hot pine tomato sauce. The Prime 2099 01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:42.800 Minister went to London Town with other Prime ministers to dinner, 2100 01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:46.079 sat down. They gave you turtle soup, champagne and sat 2101 01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:48.199 She said, it's not bad stuff, but I don't like 2102 01:57:48.279 --> 01:57:52.199 it as much as hot pie and tomato sauce. The 2103 01:57:52.359 --> 01:57:55.880 same again for the second course. From Perth to Sydney, 2104 01:57:56.119 --> 01:58:07.279 they all endorse that tomato sauce. Billy Jones today is 2105 01:58:07.319 --> 01:58:10.680 one hundred and three. We congratulate him on his anniversary. 2106 01:58:11.479 --> 01:58:13.640 He's had three kits since he was ninety five and 2107 01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:17.319 you probably wonder what keeps him alive. Well, it's hot 2108 01:58:17.560 --> 01:58:22.119 pine tomato sauce. Same again for the second course from 2109 01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:25.960 Perth to Sydney. They all endorse that hot high and 2110 01:58:26.119 --> 01:58:36.079 tomato sauce. Irad ran with the other day one hundred 2111 01:58:36.119 --> 01:58:36.399 to one. 2112 01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:37.880 Outside I led all the way. 2113 01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:41.119 When they held an inquiry to consider the objections, they 2114 01:58:41.239 --> 01:58:44.520 found that his china had given him injections of hot 2115 01:58:45.159 --> 01:58:49.640 tomato sauce. Same again to the second course from Perth 2116 01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:54.439 to Sydney. They all endorse that hot pie and tomato sauce, 2117 01:58:55.159 --> 01:58:57.119 Hot pie and tamato sauce. 2118 01:58:57.640 --> 01:58:58.439 The same again. 2119 01:58:58.560 --> 01:59:02.000 For the second course from Perth to Sydney, they all 2120 01:59:02.239 --> 01:59:10.039 endorse that hot pine tomaross shoot the bottle. Timmy lovet