Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to another episode of The Reality Realm,
where we talk about everything dealing with our reality and
our concept of what's real. I'm Mark Johnson, along with
our host Irene alan Block. Just Irene Allen.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I couldn't talk. Then it's just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm Irene Alan I'm Irene alan Block. I'm a number
of names, so just go on any.
Speaker 1: One, especially quite a few I've made up for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's good to be back.
Speaker 1: We were off for a couple of weeks due to
unforeseen circumstances. Life intervenes, and uh but we're back and
we're about July.
Speaker 2: You really are so polite, so proud.
Speaker 3: So we've been away. Okay, then that's it finished. No, no, nobody's business.
Speaker 2: It's just me and you. We've been away.
Speaker 1: Yep, we've been away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so flight you say it's so sweets, so nice.
Speaker 1: I try to h yeah. Well but we're back and uh,
well we're back in a big way, not just with
the show, and that's going to be part of our
discussion for tonight. But you know, before we get on
with that, how have you been.
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm waiting no results from a hospital.
Do you know I keep phoning them up for the results,
and I keep saying, we get someone to ring your
back as soon as a doctor has reviewed the scans
and this, and we'll ring you back tomorrow. And well,
when I ring them again tomorrow or to ask the
same question, it'd be the third time of ringing them.
If they don't answer, well, give me an answer tomorrow.
I'm going down the hospital to find out for myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to modern medical in both of our countries,
it took me three weeks to get the blood test results.
Routine blood test results took three weeks when it was
supposed to take less than a week, and my doctor's
office just delayed and delayed and delayed. And then my doctor,
when I finally got her to call me back, tried
blaming me, and she was so rude. It's like, you
know what, I'm not coming back to you. It's ridiculous.
And then they couldn't get off the phone fast enough
because at the time I did not have insurance, and
because I'm self pay she wanted to get off the
phone because hey, she wanted to get talk to more
paying clients. It's ridiculous. Don't give me. I could do
a whole rant on the medical systems. Uh, but that's
not that kind of show anyway. As for myself, I'm
doing okay. No, but I asked you, so I'm just
jumping in there.
Speaker 2: We'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just a time travel show, you know, because
I answered the question before you ask it.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I'm able to do that, so I taught you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're scary in that way, scary in
many ways. Yes, I know. I've known you for too long.
God help me.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'll put you right off now.
Speaker 1: I'm not How are you? I am peachey. Thank you
ask it. Well, let's let's go about We're going to
talk about yes, ah, paranormal investigations, specifically.
Speaker 2: Excitements and bewhelms me.
Speaker 1: Well, we've both been kind of out of the field
for a few years now. Someone referred to me recently
as retired. I said, no, I'm semi retired, but quite.
Speaker 2: Frankly, I was the one that was retired.
Speaker 1: M h, you were fully retired. Yes, I was, but
I'm coming out of retirement because I still enjoyed doing
it and I'm getting more opportunities now to go investigate again.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's my chair.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it was your chair, because it's
out of something else.
Speaker 2: I'm slipping on the floor. I'm not that windy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna blame you. Blame Gerdie there for
a moment.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she was like she was windy last night. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, so I'm getting back into it, and you're
getting back into it as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm not for the same reasons as you,
but maybe because I'm a little bit more concerned about
what's going on and the fact that I'm bored.
Speaker 1: You and me both. I'm still struggling to find work
and I have because of everything I've gone through the
last couple of years. My enthusiasm for things was in
the toilet. But now that time has passed, I want
to get back on that horse and get out there.
And I recently this last weekend, had an opportunity to
go work on my first case in a couple of years,
and small, small well. I was invited by a former
member of my paranormal group that I used to run
North Jersey Paranormal Research and who's a realtor now was
actually my realtor for selling my house a few months back,
and she had a couple of realtors that she works
for who are flipping a house back up in the
old area where I used to live, and they were
supposedly having a lot of paranormal issues and they wanted
an investigation. So she invited me up to participate, and
of course I brought Natalie with me because whenever I've
been investigating, she's explain who Natalie is, Well, Natalie is
my friend. She's also a former client. We investigated her
house a few years back. She got hooked, joined us
and has kind of been my local go to investigator
for the past few years. Really good head on her shoulders.
She's a good investigator. And what's that.
Speaker 2: She's a lovely person.
Speaker 1: Oh, she's totally wonderful. I love working with her and
I consider her a good friend.
Speaker 2: So she's one of the best.
Speaker 1: So we went up to this house which is currently
under renovation. They're flipping the house to resell it, and
I'm going to keep details at a minimum because again,
not my business. They're selling the house, but they were
having issues with windows opening and closing, people being touched,
hearing voices and foots steps hearing what they said was
a growl ah, and just general negative feelings. Now I
may be out of the actual investigation portion for the
last few years, that doesn't mean my researching and looking
into an understanding the paranormal stopped back then.
Speaker 2: I've always You've still got the knowledge, haven't you, Darling.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm still learning every day as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because you've give up for a couple of years,
don't miss thing, forget everything that you've told yourself for.
Speaker 2: What m.
Speaker 1: But again, look at in our discussions and things that
have happened to us over the last couple of years.
I mean, I'll speak from my perspective. I've learned a
lot more, and I've learned also quickly while doing this
investigation that I'm not like most investigators anymore. And that
was really made clear to me when coming into this
case because the people I were I were with, people
I was with, they're still going about things the exact
same way they did fifteen years ago, fifteen twenty years
ago when I first got into this field. They haven't changed.
You know, one of them is supposed to be a
really experienced investigator, and I'm not personally attacking anybody here.
But I see a difference between how some people, in fact,
I feel it's a majority of people in the community,
how they approach these types of phenomenon compared to how
I approach it. Am I saying my way is better?
I think so well far about I'll say, you know,
it's different because I'm looking at a broader spectrum. I'm
not so close minded and sticking with old beliefs because
you learn as you grow, and things evolve over time,
and the more we look at and it goes right
into the to the concept of this particular show, the
Reality Realm. It's examining different aspects of our reality, or
what we think is our reality, and our current views
of reality are very elementary compared to what's really going
on around us. In a lot of cases, we just
don't want to know. We have our certain paradigm and
we stick with it. Anything else outside of that paradigm
threatens people's belief systems and they reject it or even
get hostile. So coming into this investigation, I was coming
into it from the standpoint of let's see what's there first.
These other investigators went in right away with preconceived notions
not even taking the time to research, to investigate properly
and figure out what they're dealing with. First, case in
point one, investigators asked me, well, can you bring some
sage with you and we can sage the house? And
I said no, because I question the validity of sage.
And second, if so many times you hear stories of
people using sage or whatnot trying to cleanse house and
maybe things calm down for a day or two, and
then it comes back twice as bad, So no, I
won't sage. I want to know what I'm dealing with first,
and that's what I feel is true investigation. It's not
just going into a place, capturing a couple of EVPs
or setting up video or whatnot, walking through taking pictures,
and then you turn around and leave and then nothing
else happens. I'm afraid that's what's going to happen with
this case. Wasn't my investigation. I had to go and
pretty much keep my mouth shut for most of it
because I wasn't running it. If I did, it would
have been completely different. There was I'm the only one
who brought equipment, and I'm not the biggest fan of
equipment sometimes because I think we need to rely on
our own bodies and our own senses. However, it's great
as a backup tool to either help validate some of
your feelings or maybe give you a little further information,
but try to figure out what's going on, what's the
history of the house, what's happening. And so many times,
and this is where I break off from a lot
of investigators. A lot of times they go right back
to the old, tried and true. Who died in the house,
who's stuck there? You know, we're dealing with a person
who hasn't moved on, and when you know, you're making
a lot of assumptions. Now, we know that when these
two people bought the house, they had squatters that were
in there for a couple of years and it took
them months to get them out, and there was a
lot of bad things that happened there. Now is the
activity in relation to the type of people and bad
things that happened there? Or has it always been there?
Has it been there before the house was built in
the nineteen twenties because it was all farm land and
up here in northern New Jersey lot lot of Indian
locations burial sites which that's a different topic. But there
was a lot of presences up here and things happened
before the Whites came in and settled, So there's a
long history to the land. So what could possibly be
attached to the land is the way I look at it,
and the house just happens to sit on the land.
Is anybody else in the neighborhood having issues? We don't know?
And it's one of those times where you really can't
go and knock on somebody's door next door and go
pard me, are you having any paranormal activity? Well, yeah,
you would do that, but here it's like yeah, And
I don't think these people trying to flip and sell
the house want that to get out, So you know,
I have some moral qualms about that too, So I mean,
what do you do in this situation? If I had
my way, there would be multiple investigations looking into every
aspect of what people are feeling going into the house
and feeling what's happening. And I will say, I will
say when we were there, felt a very very heavy
presence in several locations of the house, especially the basement
and even outside on the property. The owners had were
outside and they heard what sounded like Elmo talking, and
they walked over into the woods and in the bushes
was an old Elmo doll that was talking, and then
all of a sudden started this laughing like Elmo does,
but it was over and over and over again, very creepy.
So when I got to the property, the first thing
I did is go and look at to see, you know,
somebody place that there. Some kids, maybe local kids or
something put it there. And it was obvious by the
condition of the doll that it had been there for
quite a while, possibly months or longer, very succumbing to
the elements the weather, half buried, stuffing mostly gone out
of it. But I didn't check to see if it
had batteries because when I was standing there, I felt
such an oppressive energy. I didn't want to touch it.
So it's still lying there now. Maybe some people would
criticize me as an investigator, you should have, you know,
looked to see if it had batteries or what was that.
Sometimes sometimes you have to have discretion. In that case,
I felt like I shouldn't touch it.
Speaker 2: Not do that.
Speaker 3: But if it's been learning sometimes it's wet and all manky,
I don't want to pick it up to it.
Speaker 1: No, not unless I had gloves or stick or something.
And yeah, I would like to see if it had batteries.
If it's been out there in the elements for months,
usually batteries drains, so why. And it's also motion activated,
I think, or you have to press a button on it.
But it started operating all on its own, and they
were standing a few feet away. They recorded it with
their cell phone and they went looking for the sound
and that's when they found the elmo in the bushes.
So that was creepy and interesting. But yet there's also
this how do I put this? You know, part of
popular culture right now is haunted objects, the animel doll
or other objects that can contain a negative presence or energy.
And I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I think it does.
I think you and I both know an object that
definitely has some kind of energy to it.
Speaker 2: That little circloth thing of mine.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, yes, but energy but at this So that's
why I'm reluctant to touch it.
Speaker 1: But I also don't want to put too much stock
in it because I don't think that object is what
the problem is. I think the problem is associated with
the land.
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question mark before you go on?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Now, this place you know, from what I saw in
my head, I was full of rubbish, absolutely, like everyone
has just got up and left it and left it
all over the place, and as if people are coming
there and chucked it all over the place. Every room
was full of shy rubbish.
Speaker 2: In my mouth.
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 3: Well, when we get rid of rubbish in the house here,
we normally hire a skip, which is a massive, great
big container that comes on a lorry. Yes, And they've
got and they lower it down and put it where
you want it, and then you fill up the skip
and phone them up. The lorry comes back, clicks the
skip and takes it off right.
Speaker 2: Yes, do you have to have something like that?
Speaker 1: That's exactly what they did, okay?
Speaker 3: And why was the skip place whereabouts? Don't know where
the skip was placed.
Speaker 1: It was placed in the driveway if you're facing the house.
It's on the left hand side on a gravel driveway
right next to the house. And when they bought that
house and they got the squatters out, the property was
filled with rubbish everywhere. They said the place was disgustingly
filthy and they had to get rid of all.
Speaker 2: Of that terrible.
Speaker 1: So they had to haul it away so that they
could begin renovating the house.
Speaker 3: Okay, so how far away was a skip from where
Almo is now?
Speaker 1: You have to walk to the back part of the house,
go through a fence and then go up a little
hill and was in the bushes in the back. So yeah,
from the skiff, I would say it's at least fifty
feet away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying that this happens all right or
anything like that. It could have been somebody that's put
that Elmo there for a reason, or it could have
been somebody who's chucked it in the skip.
Speaker 2: It's missed the skip.
Speaker 3: Nighttime comes animal comes along and drags it off, and
that's why half it's stuffing was out.
Speaker 2: Could be.
Speaker 3: Look into things. Yeah, you can't put everything down, can you?
To paranormal? This is what we're trying to say, right,
This is how we research, and this is how we
think when we're doing stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, you have to.
Speaker 3: Also, like you said, beside looking at the house, we
look at the hiss, not only the history, but the
geography of the land, everything what's gone on over there,
and you know, before.
Speaker 2: We even decide it's a bloody haunting.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's what makes us. You are made different.
Speaker 3: Well, that's just gone on, sage and flutter it everywhere
when you can get you can buy something out of
bloody dumb home. A smell knife in the house.
Speaker 1: Well here's something that I did. I had a trail camera,
so I put I strapped it to a tree pointing
at where the bushes where the almo is and I've
left it running since we did the investigation, and I'm
going to wait till the weekend, so it's going to
be sitting there an entire week. I'm waiting till the
weekend before I go and pick it back up, just
to see if anything. It's motion is set for motion
video infrared night vision, so any animals that walk by
should pick up. If anything else happens, I'm hoping it
picks it up. But something else I'm going to do too,
because it got dark and everyone was a little creeped out.
Nobody sat out there at night doing any kind of
recording EVP or just spending some time there, which I
plan to do when I go back to get it.
I'm not just going to grab the camera and go home.
I'm going to go sit there, feel the place out,
take a digital recorder at the very least, and try
to see if I can get more information because I'm
certainly not satisfied with what we caught so far, which
I'm going to admit, we caught a lot of audio evidence,
a little bit of video. I'm still reviewing some things.
There's something definitely going on there, but I still can't
sit there and tell you what it is. And so
going in now and doing cleansing or anything is premature.
It's like, do you do you pay to have your
whole house fumigated if you just suspect there's termites in
the wall, or do you actually go and look for them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, and that's where my issues come in. Well also, yeah, cool, No,
go ahead, No, you're cool. I'm being plight now, you're
being polite. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I'm waffling a bit.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'll tell you when you're waffling, you know that?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, you keep me, you keep me on my toes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The the things that we caught, there were a lot
of voices caught on digital. But I'm stammering a lot
because again I'm not trying to be critical of anybody,
but I do disagree, and I disagree with how that
whole investigation was handled and all it was.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have pulled it an investigation. I would have
called it a get together.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's yeah. It was more of a let's get
together and see what we can experience, not looking into
an investing exactly. It's not looking for and trying to
find an answer to what's there. They think running a
digital recorder and asking questions will tell them everything they
need to know. It doesn't solve the problem. And this
is something and I admit in my earlier career I
was guilty of the exact same thing. We were more
enthusiasts than investigators. You know, I'll call spade a spade.
It's we went into locations with our equipment, we record things.
Sometimes we get nothing, sometimes we get some great stuff,
share it with the client, who is usually a private
homeowner or whatnot, and then we leave. What good have
we done? Nothing? We never helped before you met me? Yeah? True,
it was, you know, and I started getting disillusioned with
all these ghost shows who always say, yes, we're coming
into help. Well, what have you helped? With not a
damn thing. You come in with your camera crews and
whatnot make investigation look scary and exciting when in most
cases it's insanely boring and nothing happens. You just not
helping them at all. What happens. You move on to
the next episode and someone who is actually unfortunately has
been on a couple of these shows, and I've seen
exactly how they handle situations, especially the production companies North.
Speaker 3: I have been on the shows exactly how they handle
it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. They are not interested in solving people's
problems or helping people there. All they care about is
trying to make things as creepy and scary as possible
to keep viewers.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: They're not there to solve anybody's problems.
Speaker 3: On seats, Darlin, that's what it's all about, bums on seats.
Speaker 1: Which is money. It's all money driven. No, you know,
I never charged.
Speaker 2: They don't. They don't care about the people.
Speaker 3: But don't you know, it's getting get your stuff on
the camera, get out, we'll forget them.
Speaker 1: Well, I've never charged our investigations.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I used to know somebody that was on the television
quite a lot and ah, they went to a friend's house,
and this friend, after the so called clearing that this
person done nothing change, nothing changed, the contacted them in
this just sent and cut of crystals with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had to go in and do it.
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's bad when you have to go in and clean
up somebody else's message. You know, I'm not going to
have another opportunity to get into this house to do
much of anything. So it wasn't a real investigation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the people that are have obviously got the house,
So I'm not interested. If that's telling it, it's just money.
Speaker 1: They're flipping it. They were interested in the paranormal and
so they wanted somebody to come in and then they
sat there.
Speaker 2: They just wanted to any of entertainment.
Speaker 1: Yes to both quests. Both statements. Well that's it, and
they claim to have another that happens. They claim to
have another house it has even more activity and wants
us to come in and investigate. And quite frankly, while
part of me would love to not if the same
people are going to be there, because I would, I
would not do that again because I was embarrassed. I
disagreed with everything that went on because it wasn't doing
anything in investigation. It was just entertainment. Let's try to
catch some AVPs and listen. Ooh, I think I heard this.
I think I heard that. Oh, and then bringing out
uh a phone app that makes those.
Speaker 2: Long then me and I guess friend.
Speaker 1: That house. It throws out a lot of sounds that
sound like human speech. Maybe occasionally you'll get a voice
out of it, and you have to sort through it.
I hate that device, and because it's so unreliable, it's
not funny.
Speaker 2: You know what that called? My name?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, Irene's name was mentioned.
Speaker 2: Several times in different.
Speaker 1: Mine was too. I said my name a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Well. The strange thing about that was that the.
Speaker 3: Really that stands for Irene or reno that stands for
Irene has been used.
Speaker 2: Over the years.
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, everyone used to call me
that because it's the old fashioned way calling calling my
name h mm hmm. And if they didn't call me that,
they called me they started singing that song to me Irene,
goodnight Irene mm hmmm. So where when I heard that,
my ears pricked out straight away? But then when you
sent me the other ones, not only and I let
my husband hear him as well without telling him, and
he said, that's your name. It's saying your name. There
was two or three that you sent, said Irene. One
of them said Irene, is it now?
Speaker 1: So what I found fast.
Speaker 3: I still feel that this is all to do with energy, though,
because I stuck a lot of energy, used a lot
of energy before you went on that investigation, telling you
what their house was like, what it looked like, where,
something about river. I told you about a river that
was close by, and I told you about what I
actually saw and the dark shadow and everything.
Speaker 2: So energy is a strange thing.
Speaker 3: When you start to concentrate energy into something, even if
it's hundreds of hundreds of miles away or thousands of
miles away. How do we know that if there is
something on there in there, that it's not peaking up
feeling that energy the same way as I in my
kitchen in the South Wales, it's feeling its energy. You
don't know idea. So no, and that's maybe why it's
got my name blah blah blah and started using my
name in those EBPs. But also like your your name
was mentioned mm hmm, tell me about tell us about
your name.
Speaker 1: Well, it was using that device, which I find questionable,
and it wasn't super clear, although twice I thought I
heard it say my name. But again I doubt this
device just because of what it is. It throws out
a lot of gibberish.
Speaker 3: When my name is being called. It was being picked
up on your devices.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that was going to be my point that
I found interesting was I was catching on both my
audio recorders and on my video cameras, real EVPs that
were not generated by another device. That's where it caught
your name. And then it caught when we were doing
a session in the basement and they pulled out that device. Yeah,
they pulled up there. There was a couple of strange,
weird hisses, growls we heard that. My camera picked up
individually of that device. My recorder picked it up individually.
There there was one point where they were using the
device and it goes quiet every now and then for
a couple of seconds before it starts spouting more gibberish.
During one of those quiet moments, my audio recorder caught
an audible voice that didn't come from that device saying
the name Renee. Then a couple moments late. Listen. A
couple moments later, the device started spouting stuff and then
the device said the word renee M. So, so you'll.
Speaker 2: Picked it up before they.
Speaker 1: Yes, I picked up an EVP before the device spouted
out the name by about three seconds. Strange, very very strange.
Speaker 2: I've heard of delayed reaction before.
Speaker 1: But well that's why it. The idea behind the device
that supposedly spiritual energies can manipulate all the gibberish sound
to form words, and it was mostly mostly gibberish, and
even what words were spoken I take with a huge
grain of salt because it didn't provide any real information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: When it called your name, wasn't it like you heard?
It's clear as well. You said to me that it
sounded like it was your voice, that this thing was
mimicing your voice.
Speaker 2: Well, we obviously do know about mimicas.
Speaker 1: It was so quick, but yes, I thought the tone
sounded like my own voice. M But it was said
very quickly, so I'm unsure.
Speaker 2: Oh so.
Speaker 1: Again, we only spent a little over two hours in
that house, and the only real investigating was the one
paranormal investigator that got everybody we sat in a circle
and he's recording EVP. It's almost like a little mini
seance kind of thing, and everyone.
Speaker 3: I suppose everybody was talking over everybody else, trying to
blast it make out what it was saying. Instead of
shutting up and being quiet and letting you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, what they would do is we sat in a circle.
He would record, and everybody got to ask a question,
and then we let a few moments of silence go by.
Then the next person asked the question, and once we
went in a circle, then they'd stop and then play
the recorder back to see if they caught anything. Again
for instant gratification, where I let my recorder just run
the entire time, And during that time, while they were
trying to listen to what was coming through on his
crappy recorder that had a lot of background hiss room
tone and was not clear at all, my recorder, which
was a newer recorder and records clean audio, caught actual
EVPs while they were trying to listen to their e vps.
So because they stopped recording just so they can get
instant gratification, they missed recording other responses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the difference between somebody that's knowledgeable with
somebody that really is just Hi candy on the TV.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll probably catch a lot of flak if
they ever hear this show, which I doubt they will.
Speaker 2: I don't care. But I'll pitch a lot of flak
as well. But I don't bloody care.
Speaker 1: Well I'm saying from them specifically.
Speaker 2: I don't worry about it's like them.
Speaker 1: I don't care how many I don't care how many
TV shows you've been on. If you're still doing things wrong,
you're doing it wrong, you know.
Speaker 2: Play.
Speaker 1: I won't get into the condescending attitude, but of course
I just did. If I were going to do a
real investigation, I would be there for a few hours
at tops, split us up into small one and two
person teams spread out. Because it was a large house
with two floors and a full basement, most of the
activity was on the first floor in the basement. The
upper floor didn't really seem like it had much going
on at all. But I still also have some more
of my video footage to review, which, let me tell you,
if you've never done a paranormal investigation, that is the
worst part of investigating, because for every camera you set
up and let run. And in this case, it was
only two hours of investigating that these cameras were running. Well,
I had four different cameras running. That's too far.
Speaker 2: Why that's why people do it for me?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I don't so I have to be
the one to do it. But as an investigators, yeah,
that's what she gotta do. And it's thankless and it's boring,
but occasionally you catch a nugget of something there, whether
it's audio or video visual. One perfect example, And I
remember Natalie talking about this on the drive back home,
because I picked her up and I dropped her off
and we were talking about the investigation, and we both
had similar complaints about things going on. But she said
that she was the only one taking still pictures. I
mean even the other people didn't even do that. All
they cared about was their little burst EV sessions. She
was taking pictures with her phone and there was at
one point down in the basement where she said she
was trying to take a picture and all of a
sudden she saw an orb go streakings across from the
ceiling diagonally across her view. Well, what her cell phone
camera did is it does like a pre flash because
it thinks you're taking a picture of a person, and
it does that to reduce red eye, and then it
does the real flash and takes the picture. So in
the pre flash, she sees this anomaly go streak in
front of her. Now, when she originally told me about that,
I thought, well, it's possibly dust, although I will say
when reviewing my video, not a lot of dust down there,
and there one or two times I saw something that
I thought was dust. But here's what's fascinating. My video
camera recording in the basement was she was up against
one wall in the back of the basement. My camera
was about twenty feet away on the opposite side of
the basement, shooting in her direction, and you know what
I caught. I caught her anomaly streaking across diagonally from
the ceiling during that preflash, exactly how she described it.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Now for anyone who wants to sit there and say, well,
it's a speck of dust, well it must have been
a volleyball sized speck of dust because where it came
down was about seven eight feet away from Natalie and
about twelve feet away from my camera, and a speck
of dust usually looks like an ore when it floats
very close to the camera and it hits the camera.
Speaker 3: It was fairly dry down there as well, wasn't it.
It couldn't have been moisture or anything like that.
Speaker 1: No, And even if it was more sture, how would
it be caught twelve thirteen feet away? I mean from
my camera, it wouldn't have no nothing that big. And
it moved exactly how she described it before I found
it on video. She just saw it with her own eyes.
I was able to confirm it. What a difference. Yeah,
Now that's where I like equipment, even though I like
going in and feeling places, but I like when equipment
backs up your personal experiences. It doesn't record feelings, though,
and we were both feeling a very heavy presence. Now
I'm reluctant to call it negative. Yes, yes, they all
said that they were feeling it, but then they say
they feel it and then they kind of dismiss it
move on. It's instead of saying what could be causing this,
just sitting around a recorder asking a few questions. I mean,
we did an EMF sweep. The house was clean of EMF,
no EMF around except for the junction box down in
the basement, which as far as junction boxes go, was
throwing off relatively smaller amounts of EMF than I've seen
a lot of junction boxes throw off, but it's enough
that if you're sensitive to electromagnetic fields, that could cause
headaches or whatnot, which everybody kind of reported down in
the basement. So yeah, you have to take that into consideration.
But I caught something that the clients described is their father,
while working down in the basement as part of the renovation,
heard something that sounded like a growl.
Speaker 2: Well, my.
Speaker 1: Video camera and my audio recorder both caught a very
loud I don't know how to describe it. I call
it a growl, but it's not exactly like a deep
animal growl. It was kind of it almost sounded like someone,
you know, hawk talk girl, you know, just someone clearing
their throat like they're about to spit a loogie out.
But it was very guttural, very guttural sound. Nobody reacted
to it because nobody heard it, but my recorders, two
recorders picked it up. Now you have to start thinking
what would cause something like that. If you go with
the whole with the old Oh, well, it's a human
spirit and some bad things happen, maybe somebody died in
the house, blah blah blah. That doesn't explain something like that.
And then too quickly investigators jump on the demon bandwagon
and go, oh my god, you know it's growled, it
must be a demon demonic, which I dismissed that immediately
because nobody has ever proven that this type of activity
is demonic in any way. Americans just fall over themselves
believing in the demonic. And while there are some things
that are very negative out there, that doesn't mean it's demonic.
It's just there are things that are attracted with negative energy,
and even a person can formulate negative energy. I mean,
we discovered that something that recently happened to me, that
my own thoughts about my past was creating a negative
energy surrounding me that I needed clear it out. And
once it was gone, those negative thought patterns disappeared and
I no longer happen, but they were of my own creation.
It's like we've discussed Tulpa's before on our shows.
Speaker 2: You've worked for Tolpa's m.
Speaker 1: And the human mind is more powerful than people give
it credit for. That's right. It can there's the old
saying you you get what you put out, or what
you put out you've receive back. If you're putting out
a lot of negativity, you're gonna get some negativity in return.
It's it's like those people who are always getting into
bad relationships. Gee, I wonder who else that could have
been guilty at charge was attracting bad relationships. And those
people who have a more positive outlook, a more what's
the word I'm looking for here? Not just positive but
confident outlook, Those are the kind of people you're going
to attract yourself. That's the kind of energy you're going
to attract to yourself. And most cases where people are
dealing with something they want to call demonic or negative,
if you really look into it, a lot of those
people are having problems. They're susceptible to negative energies because
they're inadvertently putting it out so like attracts like Does
that make sense to you from your perspective?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah, much makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I'm the first to admit I'm sure as hell
no no expert in any of this. I learned more
from you than I've learned from anybody else, and even
you and I disagree at times, but.
Speaker 2: Not because I always proved my point.
Speaker 1: Yes, you usually do yes today, yesterday, So I use
the word usually anyway. So this investigation was just for me.
I'm trying to get back into investigating. I want to
do more investigations, but my end goal is not to
entertain myself. My end goal is if someone is dealing
with something that's bothering them or harming them in any way,
is to try to do everything I can to help.
And that's where you and I working together comes into
Handy comes into play because there's only so much I
can do and you your experiences and skills are much
different than mine, so we can work together to try
to help resolve a situation.
Speaker 2: It's right.
Speaker 1: So this other investigation they want to do, if the
other people involved, I'm not going to do it because
I just don't want to sit there and do that.
What's that? Yeah, okay, you're about to say something, then
you cut off.
Speaker 2: Okay. It's how the price is rented accommodation.
Speaker 1: The other the other place, I don't know. I don't
know if they rent it or own it. I thought
they owned it, but not so show Yeah, probably probably
I don't know. So if I look back at past investigations,
I've mentioned this one many times during our podcasts over
the years, so I won't go into detail, but the
one I did here in New Jersey that lasted a
few years, it was on again, off again, going back
in and continuing the investigation, continuing.
Speaker 2: The R twenty of them all like that.
Speaker 1: That's the proper way to investigate, to look at every angle,
to go by not only what you can find historically,
not only what you can find with a quick meant
but what you can what your own psychic abilities and
senses are telling you, and all of that put together
can help lead you in the right direction what you're doing.
Speaker 2: It builds a picture of what you're up against.
Speaker 1: And more often than not, it's not a human spirit.
Not saying there aren't legitimate, you know, human ghost hauntings.
There are, but they're not that prevalent as people would
certain of that. What's that.
Speaker 2: I've got my own I got my own views on that.
But that's for another.
Speaker 1: Show, okay, Because there are other things that take into consideration.
And the one thing that I deal with a lot
here in New Jersey is things that are attached to
the land. You can call them elementals or I don't know,
but the summer spirit. Sure, some are well part of
those things that we'll talk about in future episodes of
Reality Round.
Speaker 3: And you know, you get people that laugh at the
fact that there could be elementals out there on the land.
But in this country, in the UK, there are things
that go back hundreds and hundreds of years, like the
green man. Why do people still put green the green
man up? I've got three green men around this Sorry,
I'm going to get my train of thought back off
of the green man, dirty bit.
Speaker 2: I got three green men.
Speaker 3: Clarks on this property, one nail to a tree, one
nail to the front and house, and one now to
the back of the house. Now, I bought them because
I liked them. I thought they were very good, nice
garden decoration. But the belief in this country is that
the green man is protects the property, protects the garden.
You know, So elementals is which the green man is
obviously one for it to actually exist, they could actually exist.
And as you know, I've got Noble in the goblin
that runs around the house. When then they think, goes Missen,
it's nobly in the goblin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobbling the goblin who poked me on the bike.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know it shouldn't really be poo pooed
because nobody really one knows. All they've got is the
idea of fairies that the Victorians put out little evil bitches.
Fair is meant to be, but the Victorian sense of
fairies are they will our lovely little tinker bell things.
But the hostle affairs before the Victorian times were these
evil things that would take your children from you or
swap them for a foundling, to.
Speaker 1: Be perfectly fair. Yeah, the ideas of that most people
hold on too. And ghosts and hauntings were developed during
Victorian times when the rise of spiritualism came in well
before that.
Speaker 2: But it became popular then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it became popular then, But that's where everything
became more sanitized, and most investigators approach it from that
old Victorian standpoint. Somebody dies, they don't know they died,
and they're still wandering around the house trying to do
what they want to do, you know, their job, or
they something's holding them back from moving on or any
of these things. When you and I, in our experiences
have discovered there's some in some cases not all, but
in some there's a lot more indifferent phenomenon going on.
Speaker 2: This is it, and look at this.
Speaker 3: My grandfather he after losing my grandmother at a very
early age, he started going to seances at churches. He
used to go to the trumpet rising things, where a
trumpet would rise off the floor and the deceased would
speak through the trumpet.
Speaker 2: And on the way.
Speaker 3: One day he had walked down this lonely road and
he saw a white thing that was looking at him
from over a wall.
Speaker 2: As he approached it, it turned out to be a horse.
Speaker 3: But he says to this day, wise two of the
day he died, that that white thing was a ghost.
It was a ghost of a horse. But you never
see a ghost of a dinosaur here or anything like that,
you know, when you think about it. And how many
bloody places to sampleline, haunt Rice Almighty Henry. Yet he
holds every place, he's every bloody But this is in
Red Hill. It would have been haunting it everyone because
it's a money making thing, a lot of it.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times people will see a ghost,
maybe they see a woman and they'll just say, oh,
it's the ghost of anibalem Well, how the hell do
you know? Do you know what she actually looked like?
Most people don't.
Speaker 3: Every photograph, every well, every painting of her, she looks different.
Speaker 1: So how do you know? I mean, Henry is the
distinguished feature of being fat. But does that mean you
see a fat looking ghost that it's Henry? You know,
I need to lose weight. Do I look like Henry?
I don't know. Yeah, I'm a ginger, I have no soul.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's true.
Speaker 3: And these are things that we can be talking about
in the future.
Speaker 1: And so much of our opinions and view of the
world and reality is colored by cultural bias.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also you.
Speaker 3: Know you're going to think about the fact that's a
lot of what we say and think of this ghosts?
Speaker 2: Could it be.
Speaker 3: Mind actually putting everything in order so you can understand it.
It's not ghosts at all. It's just something you're looking
at and your mind to put.
Speaker 2: Something on it. Yeah, you know two other way should
go crazy, isn't you.
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much that's happening in our reality. Again,
part of the reason for this show and how we're
going to examine all these different aspects of our so
called reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: I've always said, I liken it to the light spectrum.
We see a sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum, when in
reality it stretches almost infinitely in both directions infultra violet.
Speaker 3: And we both also know besides a lot of stuff
being created by the mind, that the fact is that
there's a lot of stuff out there that's not created
by the mind, and that's the stuff we're looking for.
Speaker 1: There's also the fact of dealing with the reality of
reality of time, the concepts of times, other dimensions, time slips,
I mean, so many different things.
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite things time yep.
Speaker 1: So we're going to be covering that. And it goes
back to also what you were saying, why don't people
see spirits or ghosts of dinosaurs? Well, I also.
Speaker 3: Think that sometimes then we should go back to that
sixteenth century and anything earlier than that just.
Speaker 2: Doesn't seem to exist anymore, gives itself out.
Speaker 1: Energy dissipates over time. I think, yeah, yeah, unless you're
in such really highly energized locations that people keep their
own energy keep it going, Like let's say of.
Speaker 3: Us, oh, a particular house that every ghost hunter is
rented out to every ghost hunting group and to go
and investigate. So one one day it could be one group,
next night is another group. And of course the energy
builds in the house. And even if it was a
count to us, I've never had anything in it in
the very beginning. It will end up with something in
it in the end.
Speaker 2: Mhm.
Speaker 1: Because we bring it in with us, doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean to say it's a ghost m
So anyway, extra personalities I call it.
Speaker 1: This has been a very interesting discussion. There's so much
involved here we can continue talking about, which is why
we've got more shows on the way. And well, we
like to narrow down to certain topics and I'll waffle
too much all over the place, but I just wanted
to use my personal experience from this weekend to comment
on a lot of different things, and my views compared
to what a lot of other so called investigators' views are.
I personally think that too many people are setting stone
and back in the old days and they're not looking
at things from a new perspective. That's my perspective. You
may disagree with me. That's perfectly fine, because we're all
here questioning our reality. No matter what. I just have
certain views on how I want to pursue that, and
you influence a lot of it. By the way, do
you have any any last words before we wrap up here?
Speaker 3: Nothing except that way back on the scene, we are
now going to start helping people that are having problems,
genuine problems.
Speaker 1: So we're putting it out there.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what country you're in. It makes no difference.
Speaker 1: We can do things remotely and any local investigations. You
can certainly show up in person. But we are here
to help people who are having issues that they don't understand.
They're looking for clarification or if they're looking for help
to resolve situations. We are here to help and you
can reach out to us through the network, through email.
There's Mark at Pauk Radio dot com. There's Irene at
Pauk Radio dot com. So you can reach us by email.
On social media, I'm on Facebook and uh, you know,
we'll talk to you. Well, we can work something out.
So in any case, we are we are back baby. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter whether you're in Europe anywhere, Germany, bloomen Holland, Switzerland, America,
New Zealand, Australia, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Matter because distance is only. That's it. I'm just trying
to find the right way to say it. If you
have no option, ye, distance is not an option because
these things happen everywhere. I've learned you and you have too,
so so in any case, thank you all for tuning
into another edition of The Reality Realm here on the
Paranormal UK Radio Network. Forgot to do my network plug
in the beginning, and uh where can people find us?
Speaker 3: Only on the Paranormal UK Radio Network? Mark everywhere else
as well?
Speaker 1: Well that's what I was waiting for, okay, and.
Speaker 2: It is a podcast, and then we all.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, thank you everybody, and you have a wonderful
week and we will catch you next time. Be good humans,
and we will talk to you soon. Bye bye bye