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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to another episode of The Reality Realm,

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where we talk about everything dealing with our reality and

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our concept of what's real. I'm Mark Johnson, along with

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our host Irene alan Block. Just Irene Allen.

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I couldn't talk. Then it's just I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm Irene Alan I'm Irene alan Block. I'm a number

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of names, so just go on any.

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Speaker 1: One, especially quite a few I've made up for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's good to be back.

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Speaker 1: We were off for a couple of weeks due to

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unforeseen circumstances. Life intervenes, and uh but we're back and

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we're about July.

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Speaker 2: You really are so polite, so proud.

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Speaker 3: So we've been away. Okay, then that's it finished. No, no, nobody's business.

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Speaker 2: It's just me and you. We've been away.

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Speaker 1: Yep, we've been away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so flight you say it's so sweets, so nice.

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Speaker 1: I try to h yeah. Well but we're back and uh,

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well we're back in a big way, not just with

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the show, and that's going to be part of our

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discussion for tonight. But you know, before we get on

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with that, how have you been.

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm waiting no results from a hospital.

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Do you know I keep phoning them up for the results,

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and I keep saying, we get someone to ring your

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back as soon as a doctor has reviewed the scans

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and this, and we'll ring you back tomorrow. And well,

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when I ring them again tomorrow or to ask the

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same question, it'd be the third time of ringing them.

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If they don't answer, well, give me an answer tomorrow.

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I'm going down the hospital to find out for myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to modern medical in both of our countries,

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it took me three weeks to get the blood test results.

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Routine blood test results took three weeks when it was

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supposed to take less than a week, and my doctor's

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office just delayed and delayed and delayed. And then my doctor,

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when I finally got her to call me back, tried

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blaming me, and she was so rude. It's like, you

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know what, I'm not coming back to you. It's ridiculous.

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And then they couldn't get off the phone fast enough

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because at the time I did not have insurance, and

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because I'm self pay she wanted to get off the

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phone because hey, she wanted to get talk to more

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paying clients. It's ridiculous. Don't give me. I could do

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a whole rant on the medical systems. Uh, but that's

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not that kind of show anyway. As for myself, I'm

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doing okay. No, but I asked you, so I'm just

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jumping in there.

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Speaker 2: We'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's just a time travel show, you know, because

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I answered the question before you ask it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, I'm able to do that, so I taught you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're scary in that way, scary in

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many ways. Yes, I know. I've known you for too long.

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God help me.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I'll put you right off now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not How are you? I am peachey. Thank you

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ask it. Well, let's let's go about We're going to

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talk about yes, ah, paranormal investigations, specifically.

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Speaker 2: Excitements and bewhelms me.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've both been kind of out of the field

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for a few years now. Someone referred to me recently

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as retired. I said, no, I'm semi retired, but quite.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, I was the one that was retired.

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Speaker 1: M h, you were fully retired. Yes, I was, but

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I'm coming out of retirement because I still enjoyed doing

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it and I'm getting more opportunities now to go investigate again.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, that's my chair.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it was your chair, because it's

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out of something else.

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Speaker 2: I'm slipping on the floor. I'm not that windy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna blame you. Blame Gerdie there for

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a moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she was like she was windy last night. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, so I'm getting back into it, and you're

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getting back into it as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm not for the same reasons as you,

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but maybe because I'm a little bit more concerned about

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what's going on and the fact that I'm bored.

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Speaker 1: You and me both. I'm still struggling to find work

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and I have because of everything I've gone through the

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last couple of years. My enthusiasm for things was in

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the toilet. But now that time has passed, I want

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to get back on that horse and get out there.

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And I recently this last weekend, had an opportunity to

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go work on my first case in a couple of years,

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and small, small well. I was invited by a former

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member of my paranormal group that I used to run

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North Jersey Paranormal Research and who's a realtor now was

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actually my realtor for selling my house a few months back,

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and she had a couple of realtors that she works

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for who are flipping a house back up in the

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old area where I used to live, and they were

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supposedly having a lot of paranormal issues and they wanted

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an investigation. So she invited me up to participate, and

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of course I brought Natalie with me because whenever I've

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been investigating, she's explain who Natalie is, Well, Natalie is

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my friend. She's also a former client. We investigated her

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house a few years back. She got hooked, joined us

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and has kind of been my local go to investigator

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for the past few years. Really good head on her shoulders.

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She's a good investigator. And what's that.

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Speaker 2: She's a lovely person.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she's totally wonderful. I love working with her and

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I consider her a good friend.

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Speaker 2: So she's one of the best.

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Speaker 1: So we went up to this house which is currently

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under renovation. They're flipping the house to resell it, and

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I'm going to keep details at a minimum because again,

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not my business. They're selling the house, but they were

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having issues with windows opening and closing, people being touched,

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hearing voices and foots steps hearing what they said was

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a growl ah, and just general negative feelings. Now I

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may be out of the actual investigation portion for the

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last few years, that doesn't mean my researching and looking

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into an understanding the paranormal stopped back then.

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Speaker 2: I've always You've still got the knowledge, haven't you, Darling.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm still learning every day as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just because you've give up for a couple of years,

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don't miss thing, forget everything that you've told yourself for.

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Speaker 2: What m.

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Speaker 1: But again, look at in our discussions and things that

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have happened to us over the last couple of years.

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I mean, I'll speak from my perspective. I've learned a

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lot more, and I've learned also quickly while doing this

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investigation that I'm not like most investigators anymore. And that

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was really made clear to me when coming into this

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case because the people I were I were with, people

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I was with, they're still going about things the exact

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same way they did fifteen years ago, fifteen twenty years

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ago when I first got into this field. They haven't changed.

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You know, one of them is supposed to be a

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really experienced investigator, and I'm not personally attacking anybody here.

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But I see a difference between how some people, in fact,

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I feel it's a majority of people in the community,

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how they approach these types of phenomenon compared to how

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I approach it. Am I saying my way is better?

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I think so well far about I'll say, you know,

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it's different because I'm looking at a broader spectrum. I'm

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not so close minded and sticking with old beliefs because

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you learn as you grow, and things evolve over time,

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and the more we look at and it goes right

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into the to the concept of this particular show, the

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Reality Realm. It's examining different aspects of our reality, or

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what we think is our reality, and our current views

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of reality are very elementary compared to what's really going

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on around us. In a lot of cases, we just

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don't want to know. We have our certain paradigm and

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we stick with it. Anything else outside of that paradigm

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threatens people's belief systems and they reject it or even

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get hostile. So coming into this investigation, I was coming

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into it from the standpoint of let's see what's there first.

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These other investigators went in right away with preconceived notions

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not even taking the time to research, to investigate properly

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and figure out what they're dealing with. First, case in

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point one, investigators asked me, well, can you bring some

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sage with you and we can sage the house? And

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I said no, because I question the validity of sage.

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And second, if so many times you hear stories of

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people using sage or whatnot trying to cleanse house and

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maybe things calm down for a day or two, and

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then it comes back twice as bad, So no, I

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won't sage. I want to know what I'm dealing with first,

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and that's what I feel is true investigation. It's not

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just going into a place, capturing a couple of EVPs

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or setting up video or whatnot, walking through taking pictures,

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and then you turn around and leave and then nothing

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else happens. I'm afraid that's what's going to happen with

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this case. Wasn't my investigation. I had to go and

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pretty much keep my mouth shut for most of it

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because I wasn't running it. If I did, it would

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have been completely different. There was I'm the only one

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who brought equipment, and I'm not the biggest fan of

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equipment sometimes because I think we need to rely on

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our own bodies and our own senses. However, it's great

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as a backup tool to either help validate some of

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your feelings or maybe give you a little further information,

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but try to figure out what's going on, what's the

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history of the house, what's happening. And so many times,

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and this is where I break off from a lot

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of investigators. A lot of times they go right back

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to the old, tried and true. Who died in the house,

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who's stuck there? You know, we're dealing with a person

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who hasn't moved on, and when you know, you're making

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a lot of assumptions. Now, we know that when these

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two people bought the house, they had squatters that were

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in there for a couple of years and it took

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them months to get them out, and there was a

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lot of bad things that happened there. Now is the

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activity in relation to the type of people and bad

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things that happened there? Or has it always been there?

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the nineteen twenties because it was all farm land and

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up here in northern New Jersey lot lot of Indian

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locations burial sites which that's a different topic. But there

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was a lot of presences up here and things happened

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before the Whites came in and settled, So there's a

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long history to the land. So what could possibly be

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attached to the land is the way I look at it,

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and the house just happens to sit on the land.

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Is anybody else in the neighborhood having issues? We don't know?

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And it's one of those times where you really can't

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go and knock on somebody's door next door and go

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pard me, are you having any paranormal activity? Well, yeah,

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you would do that, but here it's like yeah, And

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I don't think these people trying to flip and sell

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the house want that to get out, So you know,

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I have some moral qualms about that too, So I mean,

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what do you do in this situation? If I had

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my way, there would be multiple investigations looking into every

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aspect of what people are feeling going into the house

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and feeling what's happening. And I will say, I will

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say when we were there, felt a very very heavy

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presence in several locations of the house, especially the basement

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and even outside on the property. The owners had were

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outside and they heard what sounded like Elmo talking, and

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they walked over into the woods and in the bushes

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was an old Elmo doll that was talking, and then

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all of a sudden started this laughing like Elmo does,

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but it was over and over and over again, very creepy.

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So when I got to the property, the first thing

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I did is go and look at to see, you know,

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somebody place that there. Some kids, maybe local kids or

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something put it there. And it was obvious by the

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condition of the doll that it had been there for

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quite a while, possibly months or longer, very succumbing to

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the elements the weather, half buried, stuffing mostly gone out

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of it. But I didn't check to see if it

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had batteries because when I was standing there, I felt

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such an oppressive energy. I didn't want to touch it.

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criticize me as an investigator, you should have, you know,

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looked to see if it had batteries or what was that.

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Speaker 2: Not do that.

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Speaker 3: But if it's been learning sometimes it's wet and all manky,

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I don't want to pick it up to it.

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And yeah, I would like to see if it had batteries.

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usually batteries drains, so why. And it's also motion activated,

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I think, or you have to press a button on it.

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But it started operating all on its own, and they

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were standing a few feet away. They recorded it with

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their cell phone and they went looking for the sound

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and that's when they found the elmo in the bushes.

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So that was creepy and interesting. But yet there's also

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this how do I put this? You know, part of

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popular culture right now is haunted objects, the animel doll

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or other objects that can contain a negative presence or energy.

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And I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I think it does.

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I think you and I both know an object that

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definitely has some kind of energy to it.

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Speaker 2: That little circloth thing of mine.

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Speaker 4: Huh yeah, yes, but energy but at this So that's

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why I'm reluctant to touch it.

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Speaker 1: But I also don't want to put too much stock

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in it because I don't think that object is what

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the problem is. I think the problem is associated with

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the land.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask a question mark before you go on?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Now, this place you know, from what I saw in

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my head, I was full of rubbish, absolutely, like everyone

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has just got up and left it and left it

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all over the place, and as if people are coming

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there and chucked it all over the place. Every room

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was full of shy rubbish.

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Speaker 2: In my mouth.

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Speaker 1: I saw it.

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Speaker 3: Well, when we get rid of rubbish in the house here,

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we normally hire a skip, which is a massive, great

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big container that comes on a lorry. Yes, And they've

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got and they lower it down and put it where

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you want it, and then you fill up the skip

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and phone them up. The lorry comes back, clicks the

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skip and takes it off right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you have to have something like that?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what they did, okay?

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Speaker 3: And why was the skip place whereabouts? Don't know where

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the skip was placed.

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Speaker 1: It was placed in the driveway if you're facing the house.

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It's on the left hand side on a gravel driveway

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right next to the house. And when they bought that

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house and they got the squatters out, the property was

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filled with rubbish everywhere. They said the place was disgustingly

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filthy and they had to get rid of all.

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Speaker 2: Of that terrible.

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Speaker 1: So they had to haul it away so that they

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could begin renovating the house.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how far away was a skip from where

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Almo is now?

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Speaker 1: You have to walk to the back part of the house,

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go through a fence and then go up a little

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hill and was in the bushes in the back. So yeah,

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from the skiff, I would say it's at least fifty

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feet away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying that this happens all right or

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anything like that. It could have been somebody that's put

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that Elmo there for a reason, or it could have

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been somebody who's chucked it in the skip.

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Speaker 2: It's missed the skip.

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Speaker 3: Nighttime comes animal comes along and drags it off, and

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that's why half it's stuffing was out.

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Speaker 2: Could be.

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Speaker 3: Look into things. Yeah, you can't put everything down, can you?

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To paranormal? This is what we're trying to say, right,

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This is how we research, and this is how we

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think when we're doing stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to.

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Speaker 3: Also, like you said, beside looking at the house, we

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look at the hiss, not only the history, but the

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geography of the land, everything what's gone on over there,

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and you know, before.

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Speaker 2: We even decide it's a bloody haunting.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: That's what makes us. You are made different.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's just gone on, sage and flutter it everywhere

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when you can get you can buy something out of

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bloody dumb home. A smell knife in the house.

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Speaker 1: Well here's something that I did. I had a trail camera,

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so I put I strapped it to a tree pointing

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at where the bushes where the almo is and I've

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left it running since we did the investigation, and I'm

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going to wait till the weekend, so it's going to

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be sitting there an entire week. I'm waiting till the

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weekend before I go and pick it back up, just

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to see if anything. It's motion is set for motion

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video infrared night vision, so any animals that walk by

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should pick up. If anything else happens, I'm hoping it

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picks it up. But something else I'm going to do too,

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because it got dark and everyone was a little creeped out.

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Nobody sat out there at night doing any kind of

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recording EVP or just spending some time there, which I

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plan to do when I go back to get it.

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I'm not just going to grab the camera and go home.

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I'm going to go sit there, feel the place out,

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take a digital recorder at the very least, and try

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to see if I can get more information because I'm

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certainly not satisfied with what we caught so far, which

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I'm going to admit, we caught a lot of audio evidence,

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a little bit of video. I'm still reviewing some things.

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There's something definitely going on there, but I still can't

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sit there and tell you what it is. And so

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going in now and doing cleansing or anything is premature.

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It's like, do you do you pay to have your

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whole house fumigated if you just suspect there's termites in

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the wall, or do you actually go and look for them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, and that's where my issues come in. Well also, yeah, cool, No,

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go ahead, No, you're cool. I'm being plight now, you're

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being polite. Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I'm waffling a bit.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I'll tell you when you're waffling, you know that?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, you keep me, you keep me on my toes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The the things that we caught, there were a lot

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of voices caught on digital. But I'm stammering a lot

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because again I'm not trying to be critical of anybody,

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but I do disagree, and I disagree with how that

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whole investigation was handled and all it was.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have pulled it an investigation. I would have

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called it a get together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's yeah. It was more of a let's get

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together and see what we can experience, not looking into

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an investing exactly. It's not looking for and trying to

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find an answer to what's there. They think running a

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digital recorder and asking questions will tell them everything they

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need to know. It doesn't solve the problem. And this

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is something and I admit in my earlier career I

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was guilty of the exact same thing. We were more

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enthusiasts than investigators. You know, I'll call spade a spade.

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It's we went into locations with our equipment, we record things.

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Sometimes we get nothing, sometimes we get some great stuff,

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share it with the client, who is usually a private

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homeowner or whatnot, and then we leave. What good have

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we done? Nothing? We never helped before you met me? Yeah? True,

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it was, you know, and I started getting disillusioned with

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all these ghost shows who always say, yes, we're coming

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into help. Well, what have you helped? With not a

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damn thing. You come in with your camera crews and

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whatnot make investigation look scary and exciting when in most

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cases it's insanely boring and nothing happens. You just not

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helping them at all. What happens. You move on to

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the next episode and someone who is actually unfortunately has

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been on a couple of these shows, and I've seen

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exactly how they handle situations, especially the production companies North.

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Speaker 3: I have been on the shows exactly how they handle

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it as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. They are not interested in solving people's

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problems or helping people there. All they care about is

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trying to make things as creepy and scary as possible

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to keep viewers.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: They're not there to solve anybody's problems.

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Speaker 3: On seats, Darlin, that's what it's all about, bums on seats.

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Speaker 1: Which is money. It's all money driven. No, you know,

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I never charged.

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Speaker 2: They don't. They don't care about the people.

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Speaker 3: But don't you know, it's getting get your stuff on

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the camera, get out, we'll forget them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've never charged our investigations.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I used to know somebody that was on the television

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quite a lot and ah, they went to a friend's house,

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and this friend, after the so called clearing that this

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person done nothing change, nothing changed, the contacted them in

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this just sent and cut of crystals with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had to go in and do it.

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Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: It's bad when you have to go in and clean

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up somebody else's message. You know, I'm not going to

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have another opportunity to get into this house to do

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much of anything. So it wasn't a real investigation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with the people that are have obviously got the house,

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So I'm not interested. If that's telling it, it's just money.

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Speaker 1: They're flipping it. They were interested in the paranormal and

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so they wanted somebody to come in and then they

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sat there.

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Speaker 2: They just wanted to any of entertainment.

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Speaker 1: Yes to both quests. Both statements. Well that's it, and

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they claim to have another that happens. They claim to

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have another house it has even more activity and wants

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us to come in and investigate. And quite frankly, while

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part of me would love to not if the same

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people are going to be there, because I would, I

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would not do that again because I was embarrassed. I

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disagreed with everything that went on because it wasn't doing

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anything in investigation. It was just entertainment. Let's try to

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catch some AVPs and listen. Ooh, I think I heard this.

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I think I heard that. Oh, and then bringing out

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uh a phone app that makes those.

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Speaker 2: Long then me and I guess friend.

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Speaker 1: That house. It throws out a lot of sounds that

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sound like human speech. Maybe occasionally you'll get a voice

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out of it, and you have to sort through it.

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I hate that device, and because it's so unreliable, it's

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not funny.

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Speaker 2: You know what that called? My name?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, Irene's name was mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Several times in different.

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Speaker 1: Mine was too. I said my name a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: Well. The strange thing about that was that the.

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Speaker 3: Really that stands for Irene or reno that stands for

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Irene has been used.

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Speaker 2: Over the years.

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Speaker 3: When I was a kid, everyone used to call me

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that because it's the old fashioned way calling calling my

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name h mm hmm. And if they didn't call me that,

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they called me they started singing that song to me Irene,

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goodnight Irene mm hmmm. So where when I heard that,

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my ears pricked out straight away? But then when you

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sent me the other ones, not only and I let

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my husband hear him as well without telling him, and

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he said, that's your name. It's saying your name. There

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was two or three that you sent, said Irene. One

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of them said Irene, is it now?

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Speaker 1: So what I found fast.

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Speaker 3: I still feel that this is all to do with energy, though,

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because I stuck a lot of energy, used a lot

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of energy before you went on that investigation, telling you

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what their house was like, what it looked like, where,

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something about river. I told you about a river that

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was close by, and I told you about what I

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actually saw and the dark shadow and everything.

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Speaker 2: So energy is a strange thing.

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Speaker 3: When you start to concentrate energy into something, even if

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it's hundreds of hundreds of miles away or thousands of

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miles away. How do we know that if there is

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something on there in there, that it's not peaking up

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feeling that energy the same way as I in my

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kitchen in the South Wales, it's feeling its energy. You

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don't know idea. So no, and that's maybe why it's

475
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,400
got my name blah blah blah and started using my

476
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,880
name in those EBPs. But also like your your name

477
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,720
was mentioned mm hmm, tell me about tell us about

478
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:28,240
your name.

479
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Well, it was using that device, which I find questionable,

480
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,200
and it wasn't super clear, although twice I thought I

481
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,440
heard it say my name. But again I doubt this

482
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,519
device just because of what it is. It throws out

483
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:48,359
a lot of gibberish.

484
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,119
Speaker 3: When my name is being called. It was being picked

485
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,680
up on your devices.

486
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: Well, that's that was going to be my point that

487
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:00,119
I found interesting was I was catching on both my

488
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:07,920
audio recorders and on my video cameras, real EVPs that

489
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,680
were not generated by another device. That's where it caught

490
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,200
your name. And then it caught when we were doing

491
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:24,960
a session in the basement and they pulled out that device. Yeah,

492
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:29,039
they pulled up there. There was a couple of strange,

493
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:34,960
weird hisses, growls we heard that. My camera picked up

494
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:40,440
individually of that device. My recorder picked it up individually.

495
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:48,000
There there was one point where they were using the

496
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,720
device and it goes quiet every now and then for

497
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,480
a couple of seconds before it starts spouting more gibberish.

498
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,319
During one of those quiet moments, my audio recorder caught

499
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,200
an audible voice that didn't come from that device saying

500
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:11,159
the name Renee. Then a couple moments late. Listen. A

501
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:15,280
couple moments later, the device started spouting stuff and then

502
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,199
the device said the word renee M. So, so you'll.

503
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: Picked it up before they.

504
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:32,599
Speaker 1: Yes, I picked up an EVP before the device spouted

505
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:39,800
out the name by about three seconds. Strange, very very strange.

506
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,039
Speaker 2: I've heard of delayed reaction before.

507
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: But well that's why it. The idea behind the device

508
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,840
that supposedly spiritual energies can manipulate all the gibberish sound

509
00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:01,320
to form words, and it was mostly mostly gibberish, and

510
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,840
even what words were spoken I take with a huge

511
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,360
grain of salt because it didn't provide any real information.

512
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

513
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,679
Speaker 3: When it called your name, wasn't it like you heard?

514
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,239
It's clear as well. You said to me that it

515
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,559
sounded like it was your voice, that this thing was

516
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:26,760
mimicing your voice.

517
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,639
Speaker 2: Well, we obviously do know about mimicas.

518
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: It was so quick, but yes, I thought the tone

519
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,360
sounded like my own voice. M But it was said

520
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:40,480
very quickly, so I'm unsure.

521
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: Oh so.

522
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:50,519
Speaker 1: Again, we only spent a little over two hours in

523
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:57,559
that house, and the only real investigating was the one

524
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,360
paranormal investigator that got everybody we sat in a circle

525
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,280
and he's recording EVP. It's almost like a little mini

526
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,239
seance kind of thing, and everyone.

527
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: I suppose everybody was talking over everybody else, trying to

528
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,840
blast it make out what it was saying. Instead of

529
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,360
shutting up and being quiet and letting you know.

530
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: Oh, what they would do is we sat in a circle.

531
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:26,199
He would record, and everybody got to ask a question,

532
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,760
and then we let a few moments of silence go by.

533
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,599
Then the next person asked the question, and once we

534
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:34,320
went in a circle, then they'd stop and then play

535
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480
the recorder back to see if they caught anything. Again

536
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,360
for instant gratification, where I let my recorder just run

537
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,119
the entire time, And during that time, while they were

538
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:51,320
trying to listen to what was coming through on his

539
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:55,920
crappy recorder that had a lot of background hiss room

540
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,280
tone and was not clear at all, my recorder, which

541
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,800
was a newer recorder and records clean audio, caught actual

542
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,800
EVPs while they were trying to listen to their e vps.

543
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,920
So because they stopped recording just so they can get

544
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:22,159
instant gratification, they missed recording other responses.

545
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the difference between somebody that's knowledgeable with

546
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,920
somebody that really is just Hi candy on the TV.

547
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,559
Speaker 1: You know, I'll probably catch a lot of flak if

548
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:40,519
they ever hear this show, which I doubt they will.

549
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,159
Speaker 2: I don't care. But I'll pitch a lot of flak

550
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:45,760
as well. But I don't bloody care.

551
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Well I'm saying from them specifically.

552
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: I don't worry about it's like them.

553
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,679
Speaker 1: I don't care how many I don't care how many

554
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,239
TV shows you've been on. If you're still doing things wrong,

555
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,599
you're doing it wrong, you know.

556
00:37:59,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Play.

557
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,599
Speaker 1: I won't get into the condescending attitude, but of course

558
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:13,599
I just did. If I were going to do a

559
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:19,360
real investigation, I would be there for a few hours

560
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:25,719
at tops, split us up into small one and two

561
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,239
person teams spread out. Because it was a large house

562
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,159
with two floors and a full basement, most of the

563
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:38,039
activity was on the first floor in the basement. The

564
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,840
upper floor didn't really seem like it had much going

565
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,320
on at all. But I still also have some more

566
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,440
of my video footage to review, which, let me tell you,

567
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,079
if you've never done a paranormal investigation, that is the

568
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,800
worst part of investigating, because for every camera you set

569
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,840
up and let run. And in this case, it was

570
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,719
only two hours of investigating that these cameras were running. Well,

571
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,400
I had four different cameras running. That's too far.

572
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: Why that's why people do it for me?

573
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I don't so I have to be

574
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:20,400
the one to do it. But as an investigators, yeah,

575
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:25,119
that's what she gotta do. And it's thankless and it's boring,

576
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,960
but occasionally you catch a nugget of something there, whether

577
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:39,559
it's audio or video visual. One perfect example, And I

578
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:43,760
remember Natalie talking about this on the drive back home,

579
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:45,840
because I picked her up and I dropped her off

580
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,920
and we were talking about the investigation, and we both

581
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,000
had similar complaints about things going on. But she said

582
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:56,199
that she was the only one taking still pictures. I

583
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,119
mean even the other people didn't even do that. All

584
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,519
they cared about was their little burst EV sessions. She

585
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,519
was taking pictures with her phone and there was at

586
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,920
one point down in the basement where she said she

587
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:10,239
was trying to take a picture and all of a

588
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,159
sudden she saw an orb go streakings across from the

589
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,360
ceiling diagonally across her view. Well, what her cell phone

590
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,360
camera did is it does like a pre flash because

591
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,519
it thinks you're taking a picture of a person, and

592
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,880
it does that to reduce red eye, and then it

593
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,800
does the real flash and takes the picture. So in

594
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,360
the pre flash, she sees this anomaly go streak in

595
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,760
front of her. Now, when she originally told me about that,

596
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,000
I thought, well, it's possibly dust, although I will say

597
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,679
when reviewing my video, not a lot of dust down there,

598
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:48,880
and there one or two times I saw something that

599
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:54,320
I thought was dust. But here's what's fascinating. My video

600
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,320
camera recording in the basement was she was up against

601
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,719
one wall in the back of the basement. My camera

602
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,519
was about twenty feet away on the opposite side of

603
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:10,639
the basement, shooting in her direction, and you know what

604
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:17,519
I caught. I caught her anomaly streaking across diagonally from

605
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,800
the ceiling during that preflash, exactly how she described it.

606
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: There you go.

607
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: Now for anyone who wants to sit there and say, well,

608
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,480
it's a speck of dust, well it must have been

609
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:37,880
a volleyball sized speck of dust because where it came

610
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,880
down was about seven eight feet away from Natalie and

611
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,360
about twelve feet away from my camera, and a speck

612
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,800
of dust usually looks like an ore when it floats

613
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,199
very close to the camera and it hits the camera.

614
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 3: It was fairly dry down there as well, wasn't it.

615
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,280
It couldn't have been moisture or anything like that.

616
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: No, And even if it was more sture, how would

617
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,000
it be caught twelve thirteen feet away? I mean from

618
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:11,159
my camera, it wouldn't have no nothing that big. And

619
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:17,159
it moved exactly how she described it before I found

620
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:20,800
it on video. She just saw it with her own eyes.

621
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:27,119
I was able to confirm it. What a difference. Yeah,

622
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,880
Now that's where I like equipment, even though I like

623
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,000
going in and feeling places, but I like when equipment

624
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:43,920
backs up your personal experiences. It doesn't record feelings, though,

625
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,840
and we were both feeling a very heavy presence. Now

626
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:58,440
I'm reluctant to call it negative. Yes, yes, they all

627
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,119
said that they were feeling it, but then they say

628
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,199
they feel it and then they kind of dismiss it

629
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,639
move on. It's instead of saying what could be causing this,

630
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:16,599
just sitting around a recorder asking a few questions. I mean,

631
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,320
we did an EMF sweep. The house was clean of EMF,

632
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:24,280
no EMF around except for the junction box down in

633
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,280
the basement, which as far as junction boxes go, was

634
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:33,960
throwing off relatively smaller amounts of EMF than I've seen

635
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,360
a lot of junction boxes throw off, but it's enough

636
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,039
that if you're sensitive to electromagnetic fields, that could cause

637
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,920
headaches or whatnot, which everybody kind of reported down in

638
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,199
the basement. So yeah, you have to take that into consideration.

639
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:58,719
But I caught something that the clients described is their father,

640
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,039
while working down in the basement as part of the renovation,

641
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,760
heard something that sounded like a growl.

642
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: Well, my.

643
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: Video camera and my audio recorder both caught a very

644
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,800
loud I don't know how to describe it. I call

645
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,480
it a growl, but it's not exactly like a deep

646
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:25,119
animal growl. It was kind of it almost sounded like someone,

647
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,639
you know, hawk talk girl, you know, just someone clearing

648
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:32,639
their throat like they're about to spit a loogie out.

649
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,199
But it was very guttural, very guttural sound. Nobody reacted

650
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,239
to it because nobody heard it, but my recorders, two

651
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,960
recorders picked it up. Now you have to start thinking

652
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:53,719
what would cause something like that. If you go with

653
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,440
the whole with the old Oh, well, it's a human

654
00:44:56,559 --> 00:45:00,360
spirit and some bad things happen, maybe somebody died in

655
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,760
the house, blah blah blah. That doesn't explain something like that.

656
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:12,559
And then too quickly investigators jump on the demon bandwagon

657
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:14,639
and go, oh my god, you know it's growled, it

658
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,880
must be a demon demonic, which I dismissed that immediately

659
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:27,599
because nobody has ever proven that this type of activity

660
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,760
is demonic in any way. Americans just fall over themselves

661
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,679
believing in the demonic. And while there are some things

662
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,199
that are very negative out there, that doesn't mean it's demonic.

663
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,400
It's just there are things that are attracted with negative energy,

664
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:55,800
and even a person can formulate negative energy. I mean,

665
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:03,280
we discovered that something that recently happened to me, that

666
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:10,920
my own thoughts about my past was creating a negative

667
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:17,760
energy surrounding me that I needed clear it out. And

668
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,639
once it was gone, those negative thought patterns disappeared and

669
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:25,239
I no longer happen, but they were of my own creation.

670
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:30,880
It's like we've discussed Tulpa's before on our shows.

671
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,159
Speaker 2: You've worked for Tolpa's m.

672
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: And the human mind is more powerful than people give

673
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,079
it credit for. That's right. It can there's the old

674
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,079
saying you you get what you put out, or what

675
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,519
you put out you've receive back. If you're putting out

676
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:54,239
a lot of negativity, you're gonna get some negativity in return.

677
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,280
It's it's like those people who are always getting into

678
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,280
bad relationships. Gee, I wonder who else that could have

679
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:11,960
been guilty at charge was attracting bad relationships. And those

680
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,760
people who have a more positive outlook, a more what's

681
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,920
the word I'm looking for here? Not just positive but

682
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:24,960
confident outlook, Those are the kind of people you're going

683
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,119
to attract yourself. That's the kind of energy you're going

684
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:31,239
to attract to yourself. And most cases where people are

685
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,960
dealing with something they want to call demonic or negative,

686
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,440
if you really look into it, a lot of those

687
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:43,199
people are having problems. They're susceptible to negative energies because

688
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:50,119
they're inadvertently putting it out so like attracts like Does

689
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,360
that make sense to you from your perspective?

690
00:47:53,760 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah, much makes sense.

691
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: And I'm the first to admit I'm sure as hell

692
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,639
no no expert in any of this. I learned more

693
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,719
from you than I've learned from anybody else, and even

694
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,360
you and I disagree at times, but.

695
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,679
Speaker 2: Not because I always proved my point.

696
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: Yes, you usually do yes today, yesterday, So I use

697
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:40,599
the word usually anyway. So this investigation was just for me.

698
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,840
I'm trying to get back into investigating. I want to

699
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,039
do more investigations, but my end goal is not to

700
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:54,599
entertain myself. My end goal is if someone is dealing

701
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:58,840
with something that's bothering them or harming them in any way,

702
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:02,480
is to try to do everything I can to help.

703
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:06,960
And that's where you and I working together comes into

704
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,000
Handy comes into play because there's only so much I

705
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:15,719
can do and you your experiences and skills are much

706
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:22,639
different than mine, so we can work together to try

707
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,159
to help resolve a situation.

708
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 2: It's right.

709
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: So this other investigation they want to do, if the

710
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,360
other people involved, I'm not going to do it because

711
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,079
I just don't want to sit there and do that.

712
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:51,199
What's that? Yeah, okay, you're about to say something, then

713
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:51,840
you cut off.

714
00:49:52,840 --> 00:50:01,679
Speaker 2: Okay. It's how the price is rented accommodation.

715
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: The other the other place, I don't know. I don't

716
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,800
know if they rent it or own it. I thought

717
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:17,480
they owned it, but not so show Yeah, probably probably

718
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:25,039
I don't know. So if I look back at past investigations,

719
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,400
I've mentioned this one many times during our podcasts over

720
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,239
the years, so I won't go into detail, but the

721
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,599
one I did here in New Jersey that lasted a

722
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:39,559
few years, it was on again, off again, going back

723
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:45,719
in and continuing the investigation, continuing.

724
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: The R twenty of them all like that.

725
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,119
Speaker 1: That's the proper way to investigate, to look at every angle,

726
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,360
to go by not only what you can find historically,

727
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:00,320
not only what you can find with a quick meant

728
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,559
but what you can what your own psychic abilities and

729
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:09,679
senses are telling you, and all of that put together

730
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,719
can help lead you in the right direction what you're doing.

731
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: It builds a picture of what you're up against.

732
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: And more often than not, it's not a human spirit.

733
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,239
Not saying there aren't legitimate, you know, human ghost hauntings.

734
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,599
There are, but they're not that prevalent as people would

735
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,599
certain of that. What's that.

736
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:40,639
Speaker 2: I've got my own I got my own views on that.

737
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,519
But that's for another.

738
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: Show, okay, Because there are other things that take into consideration.

739
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,679
And the one thing that I deal with a lot

740
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,599
here in New Jersey is things that are attached to

741
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:56,599
the land. You can call them elementals or I don't know,

742
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,559
but the summer spirit. Sure, some are well part of

743
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,239
those things that we'll talk about in future episodes of

744
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,079
Reality Round.

745
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 3: And you know, you get people that laugh at the

746
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,320
fact that there could be elementals out there on the land.

747
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,280
But in this country, in the UK, there are things

748
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,920
that go back hundreds and hundreds of years, like the

749
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,719
green man. Why do people still put green the green

750
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:35,480
man up? I've got three green men around this Sorry,

751
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,519
I'm going to get my train of thought back off

752
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:42,599
of the green man, dirty bit.

753
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 2: I got three green men.

754
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: Clarks on this property, one nail to a tree, one

755
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,800
nail to the front and house, and one now to

756
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,519
the back of the house. Now, I bought them because

757
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:01,440
I liked them. I thought they were very good, nice

758
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:05,519
garden decoration. But the belief in this country is that

759
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:11,039
the green man is protects the property, protects the garden.

760
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:17,119
You know, So elementals is which the green man is

761
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:24,320
obviously one for it to actually exist, they could actually exist.

762
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,280
And as you know, I've got Noble in the goblin

763
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:32,920
that runs around the house. When then they think, goes Missen,

764
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,039
it's nobly in the goblin.

765
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobbling the goblin who poked me on the bike.

766
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know it shouldn't really be poo pooed

767
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:47,079
because nobody really one knows. All they've got is the

768
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:51,480
idea of fairies that the Victorians put out little evil bitches.

769
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:55,599
Fair is meant to be, but the Victorian sense of

770
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,840
fairies are they will our lovely little tinker bell things.

771
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,159
But the hostle affairs before the Victorian times were these

772
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,840
evil things that would take your children from you or

773
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,639
swap them for a foundling, to.

774
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: Be perfectly fair. Yeah, the ideas of that most people

775
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,280
hold on too. And ghosts and hauntings were developed during

776
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,000
Victorian times when the rise of spiritualism came in well

777
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,480
before that.

778
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: But it became popular then.

779
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it became popular then, But that's where everything

780
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:39,800
became more sanitized, and most investigators approach it from that

781
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,519
old Victorian standpoint. Somebody dies, they don't know they died,

782
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:46,760
and they're still wandering around the house trying to do

783
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,440
what they want to do, you know, their job, or

784
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,320
they something's holding them back from moving on or any

785
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,400
of these things. When you and I, in our experiences

786
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,679
have discovered there's some in some cases not all, but

787
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:08,559
in some there's a lot more indifferent phenomenon going on.

788
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:10,679
Speaker 2: This is it, and look at this.

789
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,599
Speaker 3: My grandfather he after losing my grandmother at a very

790
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,280
early age, he started going to seances at churches. He

791
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,480
used to go to the trumpet rising things, where a

792
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:25,440
trumpet would rise off the floor and the deceased would

793
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,519
speak through the trumpet.

794
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: And on the way.

795
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: One day he had walked down this lonely road and

796
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,119
he saw a white thing that was looking at him

797
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,280
from over a wall.

798
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 2: As he approached it, it turned out to be a horse.

799
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: But he says to this day, wise two of the

800
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480
day he died, that that white thing was a ghost.

801
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:49,159
It was a ghost of a horse. But you never

802
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:52,960
see a ghost of a dinosaur here or anything like that,

803
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,280
you know, when you think about it. And how many

804
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,320
bloody places to sampleline, haunt Rice Almighty Henry. Yet he

805
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,199
holds every place, he's every bloody But this is in

806
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:08,920
Red Hill. It would have been haunting it everyone because

807
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,199
it's a money making thing, a lot of it.

808
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: And a lot of times people will see a ghost,

809
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,079
maybe they see a woman and they'll just say, oh,

810
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:19,960
it's the ghost of anibalem Well, how the hell do

811
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,840
you know? Do you know what she actually looked like?

812
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,920
Most people don't.

813
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 3: Every photograph, every well, every painting of her, she looks different.

814
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: So how do you know? I mean, Henry is the

815
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,639
distinguished feature of being fat. But does that mean you

816
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:41,280
see a fat looking ghost that it's Henry? You know,

817
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,679
I need to lose weight. Do I look like Henry?

818
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:51,639
I don't know. Yeah, I'm a ginger, I have no soul.

819
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: Ah, that's true.

820
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 3: And these are things that we can be talking about

821
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,480
in the future.

822
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:07,079
Speaker 1: And so much of our opinions and view of the

823
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:12,400
world and reality is colored by cultural bias.

824
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also you.

825
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,639
Speaker 3: Know you're going to think about the fact that's a

826
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:20,320
lot of what we say and think of this ghosts?

827
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,159
Speaker 2: Could it be.

828
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: Mind actually putting everything in order so you can understand it.

829
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,840
It's not ghosts at all. It's just something you're looking

830
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,519
at and your mind to put.

831
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: Something on it. Yeah, you know two other way should

832
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,159
go crazy, isn't you.

833
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much that's happening in our reality. Again,

834
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,679
part of the reason for this show and how we're

835
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:50,960
going to examine all these different aspects of our so

836
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:52,039
called reality.

837
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.

838
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,719
Speaker 1: I've always said, I liken it to the light spectrum.

839
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,480
We see a sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum, when in

840
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:05,480
reality it stretches almost infinitely in both directions infultra violet.

841
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,719
Speaker 3: And we both also know besides a lot of stuff

842
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,760
being created by the mind, that the fact is that

843
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,119
there's a lot of stuff out there that's not created

844
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:21,400
by the mind, and that's the stuff we're looking for.

845
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,639
Speaker 1: There's also the fact of dealing with the reality of

846
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:33,239
reality of time, the concepts of times, other dimensions, time slips,

847
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,079
I mean, so many different things.

848
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:39,559
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite things time yep.

849
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: So we're going to be covering that. And it goes

850
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,719
back to also what you were saying, why don't people

851
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,000
see spirits or ghosts of dinosaurs? Well, I also.

852
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: Think that sometimes then we should go back to that

853
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,000
sixteenth century and anything earlier than that just.

854
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,239
Speaker 2: Doesn't seem to exist anymore, gives itself out.

855
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,559
Speaker 1: Energy dissipates over time. I think, yeah, yeah, unless you're

856
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:08,960
in such really highly energized locations that people keep their

857
00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:12,559
own energy keep it going, Like let's say of.

858
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: Us, oh, a particular house that every ghost hunter is

859
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:22,559
rented out to every ghost hunting group and to go

860
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,599
and investigate. So one one day it could be one group,

861
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:28,880
next night is another group. And of course the energy

862
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,960
builds in the house. And even if it was a

863
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:34,239
count to us, I've never had anything in it in

864
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,320
the very beginning. It will end up with something in

865
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:37,960
it in the end.

866
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: Mhm.

867
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,039
Speaker 1: Because we bring it in with us, doesn't.

868
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean to say it's a ghost m

869
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,239
So anyway, extra personalities I call it.

870
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:55,239
Speaker 1: This has been a very interesting discussion. There's so much

871
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,119
involved here we can continue talking about, which is why

872
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:05,119
we've got more shows on the way. And well, we

873
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,320
like to narrow down to certain topics and I'll waffle

874
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,360
too much all over the place, but I just wanted

875
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,719
to use my personal experience from this weekend to comment

876
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,800
on a lot of different things, and my views compared

877
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,719
to what a lot of other so called investigators' views are.

878
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:27,960
I personally think that too many people are setting stone

879
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,400
and back in the old days and they're not looking

880
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,000
at things from a new perspective. That's my perspective. You

881
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:38,320
may disagree with me. That's perfectly fine, because we're all

882
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,840
here questioning our reality. No matter what. I just have

883
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,079
certain views on how I want to pursue that, and

884
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:51,159
you influence a lot of it. By the way, do

885
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:54,159
you have any any last words before we wrap up here?

886
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 3: Nothing except that way back on the scene, we are

887
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:06,679
now going to start helping people that are having problems,

888
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:09,280
genuine problems.

889
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: So we're putting it out there.

890
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:15,159
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what country you're in. It makes no difference.

891
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: We can do things remotely and any local investigations. You

892
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,559
can certainly show up in person. But we are here

893
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:30,280
to help people who are having issues that they don't understand.

894
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,079
They're looking for clarification or if they're looking for help

895
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:40,480
to resolve situations. We are here to help and you

896
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:45,119
can reach out to us through the network, through email.

897
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:52,400
There's Mark at Pauk Radio dot com. There's Irene at

898
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,760
Pauk Radio dot com. So you can reach us by email.

899
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:03,280
On social media, I'm on Facebook and uh, you know,

900
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,360
we'll talk to you. Well, we can work something out.

901
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,159
So in any case, we are we are back baby. Yeah.

902
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter whether you're in Europe anywhere, Germany, bloomen Holland, Switzerland, America,

903
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,480
New Zealand, Australia, it doesn't.

904
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:29,519
Speaker 1: Matter because distance is only. That's it. I'm just trying

905
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:30,760
to find the right way to say it. If you

906
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,800
have no option, ye, distance is not an option because

907
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:41,280
these things happen everywhere. I've learned you and you have too,

908
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,400
so so in any case, thank you all for tuning

909
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,480
into another edition of The Reality Realm here on the

910
01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:54,159
Paranormal UK Radio Network. Forgot to do my network plug

911
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:58,840
in the beginning, and uh where can people find us?

912
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:04,519
Speaker 3: Only on the Paranormal UK Radio Network? Mark everywhere else

913
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:05,079
as well?

914
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: Well that's what I was waiting for, okay, and.

915
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:09,519
Speaker 2: It is a podcast, and then we all.

916
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,719
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, thank you everybody, and you have a wonderful

917
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:17,119
week and we will catch you next time. Be good humans,

918
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:20,199
and we will talk to you soon. Bye bye bye