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<v Speaker 1>This is I on the Ball with Steve Ramira on

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to Eye on About herel Fox Sports

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve Rivera, your blake eager, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna ask you. You've been around town all your

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<v Speaker 2>life except for the time you left. Uh, when did

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<v Speaker 2>baseball become part of your life and maybe impressionable for

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<v Speaker 2>other people to watch?

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<v Speaker 3>Ten years old day nineteen two two? For me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that you started paying attention and you

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<v Speaker 2>saw this guy's pretty good or whatever?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, how good? Although I was playing with yeah oh

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<v Speaker 3>to eight eight year old?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's a kid in my little league that through

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<v Speaker 4>absolute fuzz. And I think I got to play majors

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<v Speaker 4>when I was nine, maybe ten.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't tell me in your in your recollection and

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<v Speaker 2>your memory bank, who are the top three five best

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<v Speaker 2>player as you saw from Give me a time, give me.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, listen, it's gonna say.

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<v Speaker 4>I think my generation for two Sonans is by far

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<v Speaker 4>the best generation for baseball players in tu Son's history.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you can make the argument, right, you had

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<v Speaker 4>the Duncans, you had Harriston, you had Kensler, you had

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<v Speaker 4>JJ Hardy, you had Would I'm just I'm just naming

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<v Speaker 4>the Jamie Vermilia you had. I mean, just naming the

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<v Speaker 4>big leaguers. Right then you start going down the list

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<v Speaker 4>of guys. Every team you played had two guys that

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<v Speaker 4>were pro guys. Mhm uh, I mean Pallaverdi had three

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<v Speaker 4>top draft guys. You know, you had Jared Fuel, you

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<v Speaker 4>had Will Smith, you had Jason Hannah. Like, it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>why every literally every school you played had a minor league.

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<v Speaker 3>But how so that's not Gilbert de Vera.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the same now right, It's not the no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no to the high school baseball Listen. And I hate

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<v Speaker 2>to say this because I ran an academy for pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much my adult life. But the development stage is now

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<v Speaker 2>where you're just trying to go out and win trophies,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're just trying to pick him pick the best

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<v Speaker 2>players and go win.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no development so high school level.

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<v Speaker 4>And this isn't a knock on anybody, but there's no

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<v Speaker 4>there's no sense of what high school was. There's a

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<v Speaker 4>few out there, like there's some good high schools out there,

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<v Speaker 4>but as a whole you look around, it's just you're

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<v Speaker 4>not seeing developed competition. Why is that because you play

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<v Speaker 4>year round. You've got coaches telling twelve year olds they

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<v Speaker 4>need to pick one sport like it's absurd.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and you're against that. I'm one against that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to listen no offense to anybody, but

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want a baseball mentality on the mound. I

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<v Speaker 4>want a football mentality, Like, give me somebody that's not

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<v Speaker 4>scared to run over somebody. Right, it's plus you're telling

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<v Speaker 4>you're telling people like I tell you about this with

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<v Speaker 4>girls softball, Like, I don't know how those girls by

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<v Speaker 4>the time they're sixteen, you're just like, I never want

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<v Speaker 4>to play the sport ever again. Right, you're spending every

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<v Speaker 4>single weekend of your life and it's not like you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to Phoenix. You're traveling over the country. Hey, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know how parents afford it. And then it's not

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<v Speaker 4>a knock, but you don't have the development at that level.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just you're trying to play as much you can.

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<v Speaker 4>You're trying to take as many swings as you can.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not really like there's too much going into the

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<v Speaker 4>sport at this point. There's too much information out there

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<v Speaker 4>to do that. I think it happens with soccer two

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<v Speaker 4>I happened. I think it happens with every sport. Right

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<v Speaker 4>you're getting into academy model. From a soccer standpoint, if

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<v Speaker 4>you're in Europe or you're in South America, you're going

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<v Speaker 4>into academy when you're ten. I mean you're looking in

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<v Speaker 4>Asia America too. It's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese, like Chinese ping pong players are going and playing

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<v Speaker 2>at like six years old. So how would you fix it,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least not fix it. Fix this is not

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<v Speaker 2>the right word. How would you handle it?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a really good question. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you can reverse the course we're on.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're looking at look at the NBA. Look at

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<v Speaker 4>where NBA players are coming from. Like the international game

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<v Speaker 4>is huge, right They're they're not just playing basketball all

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<v Speaker 4>year round right there, You're you're finding different athletes and

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<v Speaker 4>going through the system. You're looking at baseball. Baseball is

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<v Speaker 4>an international sport, but they're starting early, starting earlier, and

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<v Speaker 4>the emphasis has to be on I think the mentality

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<v Speaker 4>that winning doesn't really matter at a young age.

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<v Speaker 3>They shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Who cares, Like nobody's asking nobody's asking me if I

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<v Speaker 4>want a TENU championship on a resume, like nobody cares.

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<v Speaker 2>Just what they'll guess what. We live in a place

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<v Speaker 2>where that's all that matters, you know, who cares the most?

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<v Speaker 4>Parents, that's and the coach is always wrong, the umpire

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<v Speaker 4>is always wrong, you're my son's never wrong. My son

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<v Speaker 4>he's not playing enough. It's like, well, you've got three

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<v Speaker 4>big league coaches in the dog, Well he needs to

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<v Speaker 4>play more. It's not the spot for you, like he's

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<v Speaker 4>not good enough. Yeah, no, no, no, I don't. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't disagree with you at all because it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>And the parents, right, and they talk about winning, winning, winning,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about winning, it's about getting better.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's my age, it's my age culture, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean you look at parents all my age that

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<v Speaker 4>were not raised like that, that are raised now. And

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<v Speaker 4>we've had this conversation a couple of times that the

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<v Speaker 4>action has to stop with them and they have to say, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care if they get a trophy, like I

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<v Speaker 4>don't care if they get a ring, like are they

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<v Speaker 4>becoming better human beings?

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<v Speaker 3>Should be your number one question.

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<v Speaker 4>Are they second questions should be are they having fun?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you can flip flop both of them.

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<v Speaker 4>If both some of them are, yes, you're in a

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<v Speaker 4>really good situation in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, I totally agree with you, and I wish

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<v Speaker 2>more people would think that way. How realistic is it

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<v Speaker 2>today to have parents think that way?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you're asking the person this is what I

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<v Speaker 4>went through, right, I mean you're you actually coach like

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<v Speaker 4>it's not realistic, it's and it's not realistic.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's say we had unrealistic in every fifteen we

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<v Speaker 3>have fifteen kids.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just a number fifteen kids, and of the parents,

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<v Speaker 2>how many of those believe that? I listen, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>handful of people that But yeah, agree, Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like it's not one hundred percent across the board. But

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<v Speaker 2>how many times did your parents ever talk to a coach?

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<v Speaker 2>My dads were friends with them. So, but he's not

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<v Speaker 2>your playing. He didn't talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was good. I was good, But no, that never happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Never happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, if I wasn't good enough, because what

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't good enough? Yeah, it's wild to me yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it ended with my time. I think with my and

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<v Speaker 2>I had friends whose parents did that, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>we knew who they were.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you couldn't stand them. There were our friends.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not that was in it.

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<v Speaker 4>We just says, why he's just not good, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>a hard it's maybe it's just not the line where

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<v Speaker 4>they want to go, right, Like maybe they're just not athletic,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's okay. Yeah I'm not very smart, that's okay, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I try to make do with what I've got.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's not enough fit in where you fit in, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or getting where you fit in, or well he's a

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<v Speaker 2>heckless Evins player, or he's a heck of a guy

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<v Speaker 2>to help with a whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm an only child, so obviously you can take that

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<v Speaker 4>how you want. But my parents did a really good

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<v Speaker 4>job at a very young age of making sure that

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<v Speaker 4>to choose a path that I was that I cared about.

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<v Speaker 4>But I like I thoroughly. I enjoyed going to work, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's that's not always the case. You don't always

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<v Speaker 4>get that option, true, right, So outside of that, there

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<v Speaker 4>should be some kind of self sustainability where it's work

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<v Speaker 4>life balance, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>think you're putting so much pressure on these young kids

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<v Speaker 4>to perform at a level that's unrealistic to the most

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<v Speaker 4>quest degree that you're you've got You've got eleven year

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<v Speaker 4>olds that are and listen, they came to me taking

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<v Speaker 4>pitching lessons, taking any of the lessons, taking catching lessons.

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<v Speaker 4>Then they're going to a personal trainer, and then they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to like, let's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe step back a little Todd marinovi Che, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Give him a bucket of rice, get your hand in there,

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<v Speaker 4>see how much you can develop those forums, and then

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<v Speaker 4>go from there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>No coach Nopus said this last time he was on

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<v Speaker 2>you were on here, But I think this is when

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<v Speaker 2>he was personally on, said one of the parents or

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<v Speaker 2>one of the kids talks about you know, because he

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<v Speaker 2>teaches with his sons. Right, one of the kids came

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<v Speaker 2>up and said something to me. I got a calls.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bring up the story. It was when I was

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<v Speaker 2>on Okay, Hello, you're on the air nine of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's this Hello, You're on the air.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Hello, Jim, turn off that radio you call him

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<v Speaker 3>from the past. Hello, Hey, what happened. You turn off

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<v Speaker 3>the radio so you can get us in real time?

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<v Speaker 3>What's off?

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<v Speaker 5>And I couldn't even hear you?

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<v Speaker 3>Guys, Hey, it's yes, Well your thoughts? What's up?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we're talking about I spend a little time at

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<v Speaker 5>I coached for eight or nine years in the Little

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<v Speaker 5>leagues and juniors and pony leagues. And Blake, is that

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<v Speaker 5>your guests name?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, I hope.

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<v Speaker 5>So I agree with what you said that and what

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<v Speaker 5>Steve said, primarily that you know, you've got to sell

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<v Speaker 5>the team and the parents on the idea that.

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<v Speaker 6>This is done.

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<v Speaker 5>Best with twelve people who man who play a role,

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<v Speaker 5>not necessarily a position, but they play a role which

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<v Speaker 5>we map out them as their performance changes or grows

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<v Speaker 5>during the year. And sometimes your role is, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>have your butt on the bench.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jim, let me ask you real quick, how long

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<v Speaker 2>did you coach? And who was your last year?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? Man, twenty ten was probably the last year I

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<v Speaker 5>did it. And I coached for ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so not a long time. But sometimes so

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<v Speaker 2>when did it start to change? Maybe it's probably started

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<v Speaker 2>to change before you, but did you see it change

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<v Speaker 2>on you?

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<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you what I what I noticed, Steve is

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and one of the reasons I got involved

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<v Speaker 5>is kids had a hard time having success hitting the ball.

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<v Speaker 5>Just a really difficult process to master, and nobody really

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<v Speaker 5>masters it, but to gain some consistency, I should say.

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<v Speaker 5>And and so we tried to give kids and I

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<v Speaker 5>of that, Blake's probably hurt all of them.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>We focused on rotation, a little bit of batley lag

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, right, Okay, Well, thanks Jim for the call.

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<v Speaker 3>So so Blake, So you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were on the call, But did you talk about I

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<v Speaker 3>Teaching the kids and talking the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe batting or whatever it was, and the guy says, well, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Need to do Lopez is telling you need to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Do this, coach. Offensive players are the ones who make

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<v Speaker 2>No, don't get paid to hit. Yeah, don't get paid

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<v Speaker 3>That's a unbelievable to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Literally, you have the chance that you're talking him, one

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<v Speaker 3>Time, like some ten eleven twelve year old saying this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>My day when I told when Jason Terry was playing

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<v Speaker 2>defensive players don't drive Cadillacs. Then he kind of looked

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<v Speaker 2>but because it's all stupid. Yeah, I mean, what does

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<v Speaker 2>And it's gonna get worse because it's all end the result. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we'll see. You wouldn't go back, would I

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<v Speaker 2>go back?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They were using words I've never even heard of. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking to other people, says, how is this allowed?

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<v Speaker 2>Just as long as the building name burning, we're doing okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Were you a substitute or yeah? I was a substitute.

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<v Speaker 8>why we're your mill guard window experts.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteenth fifding.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take part in the show called up

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<v Speaker 1>Steve now went five two oh four one, six seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four fortnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome back to my the ball here on Fox

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<v Speaker 2>Sports fourteen fifty I'm Steve Rivera. You're Blake Eager Now

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone. I think we have Corey Williams Corey's issue.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, sir, how you doing fine?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 6>I can't complain, can't complain? Good, good, good, It's a

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<v Speaker 6>little hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's under the same conditions. Then let me ask you

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<v Speaker 2>back nineteen ninety six, you were senior. You're playing in

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<v Speaker 2>a Desert Classic.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you're playing in the Desert Classic, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you thinking in a few months, I'm gonna be ready

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<v Speaker 2>for the NBA or what what is the hope of

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty one year old and twenty two year old?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the Desert Classic you're bringing back fond memories. For me,

444
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<v Speaker 6>I was a fringe player.

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<v Speaker 16>I was a guy who because I played at Arizona,

446
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<v Speaker 16>we had a solid program.

447
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<v Speaker 6>I came on strong my senior year.

448
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<v Speaker 16>I had a very very thin shot to get my

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<v Speaker 16>name called.

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<v Speaker 6>At the very end of the draft, they were saying

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<v Speaker 6>that I could go anywhere between fifty two and fifty eight. Now,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I was just like hoping just to hear

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<v Speaker 6>my name called. I knew I wasn't going to be

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<v Speaker 6>a lock first round guy.

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<v Speaker 16>I knew that if I just wanted the opportunity to

456
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<v Speaker 16>try to make a team in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 6>So for me, everything happened very fast.

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<v Speaker 16>My performance in the NCAA tournament turned the head of

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<v Speaker 16>a lot of scouts and I quickly got added to

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<v Speaker 16>some of these lists for the Desert Classic and the

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<v Speaker 16>Chicago pre draft workout, so I got thrown in the

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<v Speaker 16>mix of the very end of my career. So I

463
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<v Speaker 16>was just blown away that I was considered one of

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<v Speaker 16>the top forty seniors in the country. I was super

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<v Speaker 16>excited to have the opportunity to play. So for me,

466
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<v Speaker 16>I just was on cloud nine. But I was also

467
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<v Speaker 16>felt pretty confident. I felt like I was an undiscovered secret.

468
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<v Speaker 16>I had kind of been a team Arizona, but getting

469
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<v Speaker 16>to the next level you really had to show yourself.

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<v Speaker 16>So I was excited about the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can't remember what exactly happened.

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<v Speaker 6>I did not get drafted.

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<v Speaker 16>One of my claims to fame is being a part

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<v Speaker 16>of that nineteen ninety six draft, and if people google it,

475
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<v Speaker 16>they will see that, to my my opinion, is probably

476
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<v Speaker 16>the best draft in NBA history when you look at

477
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<v Speaker 16>the level of players that were in.

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<v Speaker 6>The nineteen ninety six draft. Also in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 16>Six, I believe there were twenty six underclassmen that declared.

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<v Speaker 6>That was the first year of the big.

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<v Speaker 16>Push of underclassmen coming out early, and there were some

482
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<v Speaker 16>pretty solid players that came out early, and they altered

483
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<v Speaker 16>the draft and I just ended up on the outside

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<v Speaker 16>of the second round.

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<v Speaker 6>And I know now I'm not bitter about it. It

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<v Speaker 6>is what it is.

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<v Speaker 16>It was a hell of a draft class that was

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<v Speaker 16>the beginning of people leaving school early in ninety six.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, I still ended up having a good

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<v Speaker 6>career and a great experience.

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<v Speaker 16>But yeah, ninety six was was was a definitely a

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<v Speaker 16>life altering time for me and for the NBA as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're Caleb Love who by all intensive purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>we think he's an NBA guy, right, Coach Lloyd believes

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<v Speaker 2>that wholeheartedly, as he should, but everyone's many people aren't

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<v Speaker 2>saying that he is. Well, what would he be thinking one?

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<v Speaker 2>And what do you think his hopes are?

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<v Speaker 10>Well?

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<v Speaker 16>I think the crazy part about it is there's a

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<v Speaker 16>group of men who decide what names get called later

501
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<v Speaker 16>on the night. They don't pay attention to Instagram, they

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<v Speaker 16>don't pay attention to Twitter, they don't pay attention to Nil,

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<v Speaker 16>they don't pay attention to people's mother's, grandmother's well wishers

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<v Speaker 16>or girlfriends. So what happens tonight is a few people's opinion,

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<v Speaker 16>and their opinion comes out in the form of the draft.

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<v Speaker 16>The very last player added to the nineteen ninety six

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<v Speaker 16>as a classic was a guy nobody had ever heard

508
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<v Speaker 16>of from a little over university called Derek Fisher. He

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<v Speaker 16>just got added at the last minute. Somebody got hurt

510
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<v Speaker 16>and Fisher was the last guy added, and we all

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<v Speaker 16>know what an NBA career he had. So the big

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<v Speaker 16>thing for guys, no matter what names get called tonight,

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<v Speaker 16>you still write your own story.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 16>There's so many different ways into the NBA now more

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<v Speaker 16>than ever, whatever happens on draft night is not the

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<v Speaker 16>be all end all of it.

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<v Speaker 6>You've got an opportunity to.

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<v Speaker 16>Play, You've got an opportunity to play summer league basketball,

520
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<v Speaker 16>You've got free agency, you can go to Europe and

521
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<v Speaker 16>call your way back to the NBA. But you can't

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<v Speaker 16>look at this as the coronation because I know guys

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<v Speaker 16>whose names.

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<v Speaker 6>Did get called and.

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<v Speaker 16>They never played any beyond their rookie contract. So I

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<v Speaker 16>think so much is made of it as a benchmarking

527
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<v Speaker 16>for talent and an ultimate goal. But your ultimate goal

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<v Speaker 16>is to get better every year as a player. And yes,

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<v Speaker 16>obviously make it to the NBA at one point, but

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<v Speaker 16>where you get picked, if you're Gilbert Arenas, did that

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<v Speaker 16>really impact? Did that decide whether or not Gilbert Arenas

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<v Speaker 16>was going to be an NBA player?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But gil was

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<v Speaker 6>the second round.

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<v Speaker 3>Pick, yeah, early second, and he was the.

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<v Speaker 6>Cover of NBA two K. So you've got to look

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<v Speaker 6>at it.

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<v Speaker 16>And it's hard to tell a young person nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 16>twenty one years old to have an older person's perspective

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<v Speaker 16>on tonight, but they you've got to because no matter

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<v Speaker 16>what happens tonight, you're gonna have to.

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<v Speaker 6>Show up somewhere and hoop. So you didn't get your

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<v Speaker 6>mind right real quick. If you like your draft spot,

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<v Speaker 6>if you don't like your draft spot, if you did get.

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<v Speaker 16>Drafted the corner, everything changes. There's no empathy, there's no sympathy.

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<v Speaker 16>You're in the business of you now. You know you've

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<v Speaker 16>got to be a one man. You got to sell yourself,

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<v Speaker 16>You've got to perform.

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<v Speaker 6>You got to have your head right, your mental health,

550
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<v Speaker 6>your physical health, all of it is now on you.

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<v Speaker 16>And I literally say the training wheels have come off

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<v Speaker 16>your career right, and it's literally up to you at

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<v Speaker 16>this point.

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<v Speaker 3>At what point, because You're a bright dude.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know that, and I know that very well

556
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<v Speaker 2>having covered you, and you know our friend you you're

557
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<v Speaker 2>When did you realize it's a business. If you already

558
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<v Speaker 2>knew going in, you probably already knew what's going in.

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<v Speaker 16>I realized it was a business when I went to

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<v Speaker 16>play for the Milwaukee Bucks the summer of nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 16>They had already drafted Ray Allen, so they really didn't

562
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<v Speaker 16>need a two guard, but Johnny Newman was getting.

563
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<v Speaker 6>Old and they wanted to replacement. So I'm in there

564
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<v Speaker 6>playing with Sherm Douglas and I'm absolutely killing it.

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<v Speaker 16>In summer camp, We're going two times a day. I'm

566
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<v Speaker 16>knocking down every shot I throw up. I'm playing defense,

567
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<v Speaker 16>I'm grabbing boards. Chris Ford is looking at me, like, man,

568
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<v Speaker 16>this kid can play, This Williams kid out of Arizona,

569
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<v Speaker 16>and I'm like, not only I know I'm coming in

570
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<v Speaker 16>auditioning for Ray Allen's backup, but I'm a pretty good

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<v Speaker 16>player and I've got a chance to make this team. Steve,

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<v Speaker 16>I've got a real chance to make the Milwaukee Bucks

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<v Speaker 16>team in the fall, because they literally don't have any

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<v Speaker 16>two guards. About the fifth day of a five day

575
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<v Speaker 16>two a days, but we'll go two hard practices a day.

576
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<v Speaker 16>On the fourth day, three or four guys come into

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<v Speaker 16>camp that were never there, and a handful of.

578
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<v Speaker 6>Us get bumped and cut.

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<v Speaker 16>Right before we take the flight to Los Angeles to

580
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<v Speaker 16>play in the Long Beach Summer Pro Am. I got

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<v Speaker 16>cut from the team because the three or four guys

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<v Speaker 16>that they.

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<v Speaker 6>Decided to take and added the last second.

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<v Speaker 16>They were being added to the team as a favor

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<v Speaker 16>to Magic Johnson. They had got through playing in one

586
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<v Speaker 16>of his amateur semi pro tour situations, and he called

587
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<v Speaker 16>in a favor with Chris Ford and said, hey, can

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<v Speaker 16>you let my guys play for the Bucks this summer?

589
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<v Speaker 16>And four legitimate hoopers that had busted their butt all

590
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<v Speaker 16>week got cut a day before we were set to

591
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<v Speaker 16>go to LA to make room for some guys who.

592
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<v Speaker 6>Played at UIC.

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<v Speaker 16>Not to trash their program, but they were not even

594
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<v Speaker 16>nowhere close to being on our level, but they were

595
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<v Speaker 16>touring with Magic Johnson's little semi pro all Star team.

596
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<v Speaker 16>Magic called in a favor. We got bumped, and that

597
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<v Speaker 16>gut wrenching me laying in a hotel crying experience introduced

598
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<v Speaker 16>me to the business of basketball. It wasn't loud Olsen

599
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<v Speaker 16>where the best guys play. It wasn't you have a

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<v Speaker 16>good weekend practice you get rewarded with minutes.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't merit based anymore.

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<v Speaker 16>It was a business, and who your agent was and

603
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<v Speaker 16>who your friends were had a great deal of impact

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<v Speaker 16>on who got opportunities.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm so glad I learned that lesson.

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<v Speaker 16>Four months out of college, not even four months, two

607
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<v Speaker 16>and a half, three months out of college.

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<v Speaker 6>It was July.

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<v Speaker 16>I was in a hotel crying my eyes out because

610
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<v Speaker 16>I had never been wronged like that before.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, we.

612
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<v Speaker 16>Talked about meritocracy in sports, that's why people love them,

613
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<v Speaker 16>because they are a meritocracy. But the business side of it,

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<v Speaker 16>who gets opportunities, whether we're talking about Bronnie James getting

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<v Speaker 16>with the Lakers and all the dust up and that

616
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<v Speaker 16>that caused, or you know, who gets invited to camp,

617
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<v Speaker 16>and who makes teams and who doesn't make teams. It's

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<v Speaker 16>so layered that you have to develop thick skin instantly,

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<v Speaker 16>otherwise you're just simply not gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mike Kin, I think yeah, No, Corey, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>what you were you able to do and everything like

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<v Speaker 2>that was incredible. But so at that moment, what was

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<v Speaker 2>your what was your thought process? What was your next

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<v Speaker 2>step in that journey? Because I think I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>all been in that position in some kind of way

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<v Speaker 2>or shape or form in life. What did you do

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<v Speaker 2>in that in that moment that got you to.

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<v Speaker 3>This point because you're so successful.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it was a lot.

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<v Speaker 16>Of what my father put in me and a lot

631
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<v Speaker 16>of what I picked up from Coach Olsen. I had

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<v Speaker 16>my little pity party for about twenty five thirty minutes.

633
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<v Speaker 16>Then I walked down there and asked me with the

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<v Speaker 16>coaches and we met.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll never forget we.

636
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<v Speaker 16>Met at the lobby and the matter of the marriag

637
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<v Speaker 16>got down there in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and I shook everyone's hand.

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<v Speaker 16>I said, thank you for this opportunity. I just wanted

639
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<v Speaker 16>to know, you know, what do I need to improve on?

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<v Speaker 16>Can you give me any feedback to make me a

641
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 16>better player? Obviously you know I wasn't good enough for this.

642
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.960
<v Speaker 16>And it was met with absolute silence. They did not

643
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<v Speaker 16>say anything. They offered me no feedback because they knew

644
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<v Speaker 16>that wasn't what this was about.

645
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<v Speaker 6>And I'll never.

646
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<v Speaker 16>Forget looking at Chris Ford. He couldn't even look me

647
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<v Speaker 16>in the eye.

648
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 6>And I knew a Scott feeling sorry for myself.

649
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<v Speaker 16>B don't burn any bridges, go shake their hands, be professional.

650
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<v Speaker 6>You'll get another opportunity.

651
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 16>And I had a very similar situation happened, but the

652
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<v Speaker 16>other way. The following summer, I played for the Phoenix.

653
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 6>Suns and they had no room for me.

654
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.799
<v Speaker 16>But Danny Ainge loved my hustle and he said, I normally,

655
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<v Speaker 16>you know, we've got Jeff Honisek and Jason Kitt we

656
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 16>don't need you, but you busted your butt in camp.

657
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<v Speaker 16>If you can pay your own way to Salt Lake City,

658
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<v Speaker 16>you can play for the Suns this summer. I can't

659
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 16>fly you on the plane, but if you're there, we'll

660
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:03.880
<v Speaker 16>get you in a jersey.

661
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Speaker 6>And that was one.

662
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 16>Of the situations where you know, fortunate and luck swung

663
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 16>my way, but I earned it. But the quickest thing

664
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<v Speaker 16>I did in that situation is you stop the pity

665
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 16>party and you don't burn bridges, and you try to

666
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 16>become solution based, like, Okay, what do I want and

667
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 16>how do I make that happen. It's hard to change

668
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.519
<v Speaker 16>gears after you've been punched in the gut. I mean,

669
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 16>as adults, we've been through those situations before. But man,

670
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<v Speaker 16>for the kids that don't get called tonight, you got

671
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 16>to bounce back.

672
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 6>If you really love basketball as much as you say.

673
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.880
<v Speaker 16>I mean, I played basketball anywhere they would let me

674
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<v Speaker 16>for the following twenty twenty six months. Twenty seven months

675
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.079
<v Speaker 16>after leaving college, I played in Manila, I played in

676
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.400
<v Speaker 16>the Philippines. I rode on buses semi pro. I remember

677
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 16>playing in Canada for two hundred and fifty dollars a week,

678
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 16>chasing the dream, and then finally the moment I was

679
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 16>ready to quit, everything fell into place and I played

680
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 16>another eight years in Europe after that. So mentality is everything.

681
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 16>You write your own narrative, you write your own script,

682
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 16>be professional, and make sure you give yourself opportunities, don't

683
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 16>burn bridges, create alliances, and you're.

684
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 6>Giving yourself the best shot of their career.

685
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>So now here we are with Caleb Love, a guy

686
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 2>who's not listed in many places whereas muck drafts, but

687
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.559
<v Speaker 2>we see that he has that ability to play at

688
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 2>the next level.

689
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 16>What are your thoughts, Caleb Love when you talk about

690
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<v Speaker 16>an NBA player you're talking about a game changer, and

691
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 16>Caleb Love is no question a game changer.

692
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:39.000
<v Speaker 6>He was at the head of everyone's scouting report for

693
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<v Speaker 6>the last two years at Arizona.

694
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<v Speaker 16>Not a lot of players who have been the go

695
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 16>to guy for two years in a row at Arizona, so.

696
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 6>He, by that definition, is an NBA level player.

697
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 16>When you talk to coaches what's the key to beating Arizona,

698
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 16>the first name out of their.

699
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 6>Mouth was we got to stop Caleb Love.

700
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.880
<v Speaker 16>Why because he can knock down five or six three

701
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 16>pointers like somebody getting out of bed.

702
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 6>He's that good.

703
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.160
<v Speaker 16>Now, The fact that he saw every gimmick defense known

704
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:11.240
<v Speaker 16>to man, He saw every variation they sent defenders at him,

705
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 16>gimmick defenses all season, and he still managed to have

706
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 16>a quality season shows you that there's a lot of

707
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 16>talent there and a lot of time. You have guys

708
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.680
<v Speaker 16>sitting on players hoping that nobody else drafts them.

709
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.960
<v Speaker 6>You even have guys bad mouthing guys.

710
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 16>We always plan to take Kayle Love with the thirty

711
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:28.480
<v Speaker 16>second pick, but we didn't want anybody to know that.

712
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 16>So the the prognostictors are all full of it.

713
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:35.519
<v Speaker 6>The websites are all full of it.

714
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 16>The only people who know what's gonna happen are the

715
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:38.519
<v Speaker 16>people in that war room.

716
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:39.160
<v Speaker 6>Steve.

717
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.440
<v Speaker 16>There's gonna be names called from Europe tonight that you

718
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 16>and I have ever heard of. It's going to be

719
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.160
<v Speaker 16>a domino effect. But the thing about it is, you know,

720
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 16>with two ways in the G League, there's tons of

721
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.680
<v Speaker 16>success stories. There's more pathways than ever to the NBA.

722
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 6>So I think Caleb loves an NBA talent.

723
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 16>I think any team that has a good insight presence,

724
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 16>you want to surround those guys.

725
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:07.000
<v Speaker 6>With a player like Caleb Love. He without questioning his

726
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 6>size and strength.

727
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 16>His ability to shoot the ball, He's a no brainer.

728
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 16>I I would say, talent wise, You've got to show

729
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 16>me anybody else in the country that's revered as much

730
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.159
<v Speaker 16>for their outside shots as Caleb Love was.

731
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:24.360
<v Speaker 6>That's this past year.

732
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 16>I mean, if you're if you're taking scorers, there's only

733
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 16>a handful of guys that I think shooting on.

734
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:31.679
<v Speaker 6>The level of Caleb Love.

735
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.760
<v Speaker 16>So I'd be surprised if he went undrafted because there's

736
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.239
<v Speaker 16>just not guys that can shoot.

737
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you got guys that.

738
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 16>Can jump and dunk and rebound, and there are no defenders.

739
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 16>Let's just get that out there in the open playing defense.

740
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 16>But man, the name of the game is knocking down shots,

741
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.519
<v Speaker 16>and Caleb Love can do that. You can make them

742
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.239
<v Speaker 16>a defender, you can you know, make them a team player.

743
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 6>But man, what you can't do at.

744
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 16>This stage of a player's development. You can't fix anybody's jumper.

745
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 16>If you're if it's draft night and your jumper is

746
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.320
<v Speaker 16>so so, it's probably not going to improve over the

747
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 16>course of your career.

748
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.639
<v Speaker 6>So I'd be surprised, But I think he's definitely an

749
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:11.360
<v Speaker 6>NBA player.

750
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 16>I would I would be taking Caleb Love early second round,

751
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 16>no question about it.

752
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 4>When's the last player that was drafted just because of

753
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:23.119
<v Speaker 4>his defense? Or who was that? Because you just said that,

754
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 4>I thought about that.

755
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 16>Ninety six was the year Alan Iverson was in that draft,

756
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:31.280
<v Speaker 16>and it was also when you started to see a

757
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 16>change in Reggie Gary was drafted out of Arizona to

758
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:36.840
<v Speaker 16>go to Cleveland and he was known as a defender.

759
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 6>Ninety six. You know, Jason Kidd was a West Coast

760
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 6>guard a couple of years, a year or two earlier.

761
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 6>Who win the earlier draft?

762
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.280
<v Speaker 16>Who was you know, assist guy? They didn't take him

763
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 16>for us jump shot. They took him for his ability

764
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 16>to run the team, being a bruiser and a defender

765
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 16>and a shot blocker. They stopped using draft picks on

766
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 16>those guys in the early two thousands. I don't know

767
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 16>specifically who it was, but I do know when they

768
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.280
<v Speaker 16>remove move the hand check from the NBA game to

769
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 16>free up Allen Iverson, they made a conscious effort We're

770
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 16>gonna be all about scoring, and the teams followed too.

771
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.320
<v Speaker 16>You used to be able to get a job in

772
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 16>the NBA Steam You remember there in the eighties and nineties,

773
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:15.679
<v Speaker 16>there was two or three goons on air.

774
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, guys who just got to check the foul people.

775
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 16>Michael Jordan had enforcers, Isaiah Thomas had enforcers. You know,

776
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.760
<v Speaker 16>every team had two or three guys whose job it

777
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 16>was protect the star and protect the rim. And you know,

778
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.679
<v Speaker 16>it's funny because everybody looks at Draymond Green and I'm like,

779
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:39.119
<v Speaker 16>Draymond Green is just the guy through some miracle time travel.

780
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.920
<v Speaker 16>He's in eighties basketball play, Yeah, and he's playing. You

781
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 16>guys are so enthralled by him. He's every team had

782
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.480
<v Speaker 16>three Draymonds in the eighties and even more in the seventies.

783
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:54.719
<v Speaker 16>So you look at you know, getting drafted for your defense,

784
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 16>getting drafted for your ability to rebound. Now you're shooting

785
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 16>in the dark. You're drafting a nineteen year old kid

786
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 16>with one year of basketball under his belt for a

787
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 16>coach who knows if he listened or paid attention, and

788
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 16>then previous to that, it's just five years of AAU

789
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 16>basketball Right, Well, that's that's the profile of your first

790
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 16>round pick.

791
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're right, and guess what happens to be Arizona

792
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 2>has one of those guys in in the Carter.

793
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 6>Carterbryant.

794
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 16>You liked what you saw, but you didn't It's hard

795
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 16>to figure out.

796
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 6>What you're seeing is crumbs on the table.

797
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 16>Okay, they forgot to box out Carter because they were

798
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 16>focused on Toby. Oh he got the three because Jayden broke. Like,

799
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 16>what with the things that you saw out of Carter?

800
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 16>Why are you seeing them? Are you seeing them because

801
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.360
<v Speaker 16>he's he's coming off the bench, or are you seeing

802
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.920
<v Speaker 16>them because he's the fourth or fifth option and nobody's

803
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 16>thinking about him. See Caleb Love and Jaden had the

804
00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 16>ball in their hands out front.

805
00:37:58.800 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 6>They're seeing hedges.

806
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 16>Teams traps, second defenders coming, They're seeing junk defenses boxing ones.

807
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:06.360
<v Speaker 6>Carter Bryant was.

808
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.119
<v Speaker 16>Not the defensive focus of the coaches in the Big Twelve.

809
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.719
<v Speaker 16>And that is not to take away from how great

810
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 16>he is. I think Carter Bryant is on some Tracy

811
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 16>McGrady type trajectory.

812
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 6>He's going to be a hooper.

813
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 16>But he's very hard to evaluate because he didn't have

814
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.320
<v Speaker 16>the offensive weight of the Arizona basketball program on his shoulders.

815
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.679
<v Speaker 16>At no point was that placed on his shoulders. Could

816
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:34.920
<v Speaker 16>hit a couple of three. When he would hit a

817
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.760
<v Speaker 16>couple of threes, and he'd shine and look good. You know,

818
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 16>I'm in the barbershop arguing, well, Carter Bryant should play

819
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 16>more minutes. That's like saying Corey Williams hit four threes

820
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 16>in the Final four against Arkansas, he should have played

821
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.920
<v Speaker 16>the whole game. No, I hit those threes because we

822
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.960
<v Speaker 16>had two NBA guards that were cold and Nolan Richardson

823
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 16>was daring me to shoot. I wasn't a four to

824
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:02.320
<v Speaker 16>three pointed game player as a sophomore Arizona. But you

825
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 16>know that it all fit all factors into it. Carter

826
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 16>Bryant's skill set, his height. But what I love about

827
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 16>the kid, he's got so much heart. He's a good kid.

828
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.719
<v Speaker 16>He's going to be a hooper. But somebody's gonna have

829
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 16>to bet on his upside and his promise because we

830
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 16>don't have a huge cross section of work to look at.

831
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 6>When you talk about Carter Briant.

832
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Right right, I mean last thing real quick, if you

833
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:28.400
<v Speaker 2>can't know, I totally agree it. He'll probably go in

834
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:29.679
<v Speaker 2>the top twelve for sure.

835
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:33.320
<v Speaker 3>House things. How are things going at the Tucson Summer League?

836
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Man?

837
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<v Speaker 16>You know it's boys and girls ages ten to thirteen.

838
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 16>What else could be better? I mean, we're having fun.

839
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.559
<v Speaker 16>We're playing basketball, you know, just letting the kids play free.

840
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.679
<v Speaker 16>We have coaches, but it's really an open style of play.

841
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.760
<v Speaker 16>That's the age where kids fall in love with basketball,

842
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 16>and that's our whole folkus prevent, you know, create a

843
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 16>safe space for these kids to hoop, learn about themselves,

844
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.639
<v Speaker 16>play with kids from all over the city.

845
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.519
<v Speaker 6>And really enjoy basketball.

846
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<v Speaker 16>Because you know, once you start getting co coaching and

847
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 16>training and club, you know, basketball can beat the life

848
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.840
<v Speaker 16>out of gas if they're over exposed. So we're just

849
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 16>trying to slow that process down and give the kids,

850
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<v Speaker 16>a fun, fun outlet, knowing that the current culture and

851
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<v Speaker 16>climate of youth basketball perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Corey. We'll take uh, we'll take a look

853
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<v Speaker 2>at what happens tonight. Appreciate your time as always, no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta take care of than Corey Williams. He's talking

855
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<v Speaker 2>about exactly what we were talking about at the end with

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<v Speaker 2>you just enjoy enjoy your time when you're playing ball,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think, uh we got to go about a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh no, what he just said right now is like

860
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<v Speaker 4>the greatest thing ever. So when I was coaching in Sweden,

861
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<v Speaker 4>we would do these school visits to pe classes right

862
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:44.920
<v Speaker 4>to try to get because nobody knew about baseball over there, right,

863
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 4>it's hockey.

864
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:46.280
<v Speaker 3>You'd live or die.

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<v Speaker 4>So you get these kids to come out to the

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<v Speaker 4>baseball field and you literally just let them play the game.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was the greatest time ever because I would

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<v Speaker 4>just throw it and run around and play with them,

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<v Speaker 4>just kids being kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a great novel. Hell novel is up right? Yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>take a break, come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Streaming live on the iHeartRadio wipp This is Eye on

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, welcome back to me on the bar here on

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<v Speaker 3>Fox Sports fourteen fifty on Steve Rivera, your Blake Eager.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a little time, maybe seven minutes before we

944
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<v Speaker 2>call it a day. We want love with Corey Goo's

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff, good show today, mister Eager. Despite us Jason

946
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<v Speaker 2>Gardner and Corey Williams. Yeah, I mean, you couldn't asked

947
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<v Speaker 2>for two better guests. You did a great job. It's

948
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 2>funny because I didn't know some of the stuff that

949
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<v Speaker 2>I knew about the because that's why I asked the

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<v Speaker 2>question about the cactus plastic or the summer thing in Phoenix,

951
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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't realize the Milwaukee thing. I didn't realize

952
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<v Speaker 2>a couple of other things with Corey because he had

953
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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good career overseas, and like I say, with Caleb,

954
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<v Speaker 2>whether he's in the NBA or not. I wish I

955
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<v Speaker 2>had his career hit his future, because he's gonna.

956
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<v Speaker 3>Have his career future.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think when Jason Gardner said it, we

958
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<v Speaker 4>obviously knew it, but I didn't even think about it.

959
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, to be an All conference player in three

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<v Speaker 4>different conferences and three of the five power conferences. M h,

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<v Speaker 4>it's pretty impressive, right, highly regarded ACC and Big twelve

962
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:43.800
<v Speaker 4>at that point, right, Maybe not so much Back twelve

963
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<v Speaker 4>in the last couple of years or decades or maybe

964
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<v Speaker 4>two decades, but yeah, very very very highly regarded. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know what the difference is now is basketball is

966
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.280
<v Speaker 4>such a sport where and I've seen this from a

967
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<v Speaker 4>financial standpoint, you can make a living playing overseas, oh right,

968
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<v Speaker 4>and have quality, really good living very on.

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00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.159
<v Speaker 3>So you can't.

970
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:03.599
<v Speaker 4>You really can't do that in football. There's really nothing

971
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<v Speaker 4>overseas anymore. That German League's pretty much dead.

972
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<v Speaker 3>Then fail one.

973
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<v Speaker 4>Uh, baseball you can, it's just very specific a lot

974
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<v Speaker 4>of Winter League.

975
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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, how is.

976
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<v Speaker 2>Life if you don't mind me, how was life at

977
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<v Speaker 2>Double A or whatever you do? It's grind, yeah, but financially, oh.

978
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<v Speaker 4>It's not great. You're not going to get I mean

979
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<v Speaker 4>you're not as a minor league player. Now, it's way better.

980
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.599
<v Speaker 4>They're they're in the union, right, so they have salaries.

981
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 4>They fall into the same union as Major League Baseball

982
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 4>for MLBPA, so they much better than when I was playing.

983
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<v Speaker 4>But you don't really make that much money until your

984
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<v Speaker 4>six year can you can renegatiate your contract after and

985
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<v Speaker 4>the miners. Yeah, so then if you've got double, A,

986
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 4>triple A major league experience, you can make quite a

987
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<v Speaker 4>bit of money.

988
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 3>And then you make a lot of money in Winter League.

989
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah okay, but but again you're getting to do what

990
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<v Speaker 2>you want to do and the only thing you really

991
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<v Speaker 2>want to do.

992
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it's I mean, it's professional sports, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, what did you say? Okay, this is what I

994
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<v Speaker 2>want to do the rest of my life too? Two

995
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<v Speaker 2>and you can you can say that confidently. But you

996
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<v Speaker 2>were thinking this too.

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<v Speaker 4>The only the only time I don't think I've ever

998
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<v Speaker 4>said another profession in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I was giving given me by bottle. I want my bottle. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I still asked for the bottle though. Yeah. It makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Your only child, Yeah, that comes with its own complications.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I am the only child with both my parents

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<v Speaker 4>and both sets of grandparents here, and I was the

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<v Speaker 4>only part was spoiled.

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<v Speaker 3>I was unbelievably spoiled. Yeah, it kind of makes sense now, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it definitely made the checks, all the boxes, all

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<v Speaker 4>all all, uh, all roads to lead to spoiled.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We get a chance for one call if you'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to call five two o four one six seventy four

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<v Speaker 2>forty if you want to call and agree with with

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<v Speaker 2>anybody that's talked today about even today's kids sports. We

1013
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.559
<v Speaker 2>talk about this a lot because you coached them and

1014
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<v Speaker 2>I kind of coached them. You had kids, sucker kids. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's sports. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did X.

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<v Speaker 2>My ex was a soccer player, so she started with it.

1017
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<v Speaker 2>I was on the road a lot with the teams,

1018
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<v Speaker 2>so uh and then they turned out to be pretty

1019
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<v Speaker 2>good players.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's good. Yeah good. You've talked about that before. Yeah, yeah,

1021
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<v Speaker 3>that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, come on, anybody who's a parent with

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<v Speaker 2>who has kids who play sports and turned out to

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<v Speaker 2>be Okay, you're pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>My poor, my poor dad came to every soccer game

1026
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<v Speaker 4>I ever played it. And then let's just say I

1027
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<v Speaker 4>was not a good soccer. Well, it takes a it

1028
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<v Speaker 4>takes a knack because I wasn't either. But I'm sure

1029
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<v Speaker 4>he was at every baseball game then too. No, he

1030
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<v Speaker 4>never came to my baseball. No, my dad would sleep.

1031
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<v Speaker 4>But my dad would sleep on my couches in college.

1032
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<v Speaker 4>You drive all the way to Denver to come watch.

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<v Speaker 4>Very cool and so my mom, that's special. That was

1034
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<v Speaker 4>super special. Hell, you're on the air and I on

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<v Speaker 4>the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's this? I see?

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<v Speaker 15>This is done?

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<v Speaker 9>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey? Don good?

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<v Speaker 2>We got about three minutes, three minutes, Okay, I.

1041
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<v Speaker 15>Just wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you broke and I went to the drive through. Yeah,

1043
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<v Speaker 2>you broke it up. We wait, wait, started again and

1044
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<v Speaker 2>started again because you broke up.

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<v Speaker 15>I just want to pick up what we were talking

1046
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<v Speaker 15>to you guys were talking about the youth.

1047
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<v Speaker 3>Sports and stuff earlier. Yeah, and I coached.

1048
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<v Speaker 15>I coached Little league and up the pony and stuff

1049
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 15>from ninety five to six. And I did some recreational stuff,

1050
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<v Speaker 15>like in winter ball with some of the guys. We

1051
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 15>went and played before we got to we were still

1052
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<v Speaker 15>in the majors, and we went played high school rules

1053
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<v Speaker 15>for one year just for the heck of it, and

1054
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<v Speaker 15>stuff just to have some fun and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 15>And had I had a friend that he had a

1056
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<v Speaker 15>daughter played ball.

1057
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<v Speaker 3>Here in town. She went to a Pac.

1058
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<v Speaker 15>Ten school and didn't make it to the spring with

1059
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:49.880
<v Speaker 15>the pressure that the game came and stuff. And we

1060
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<v Speaker 15>always thought that, you know, for most kids, they only

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<v Speaker 15>have certain amount of innings in them and when they

1062
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.559
<v Speaker 15>reach it, they're done. And I always thought it was

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<v Speaker 15>unfair for the girls to play competitive ball. They have

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<v Speaker 15>to play tournaments all the time, so it's blood and

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00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.159
<v Speaker 15>gut every weekend, not like where the boys play in

1066
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.440
<v Speaker 15>a Pony league or American Legion and stuff, and you

1067
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 15>get to play a whole season and then at the

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<v Speaker 15>end of the season you get to play the tournament

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<v Speaker 15>for the championships.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right down. But they had

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<v Speaker 4>Bobby Socks forever. That was kind of the league structure,

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't it for the girls?

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<v Speaker 15>Well it was, but then when girls started Bobby socks

1074
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<v Speaker 15>is kind of well when back when I was doing

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00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 15>it at the at the turn of the century, it

1076
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:46.159
<v Speaker 15>seemed to be it seemed to start lagging a lot.

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<v Speaker 15>It didn't it didn't seem as big as it was

1078
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<v Speaker 15>when when my sisters were playing back in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 15>and I just think that. You know, I got to

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<v Speaker 15>be All Star manager a couple of times, and I

1081
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 15>had I had parents come to me like, hey, my

1082
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 15>son has been raising money and doing all this stuff

1083
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.360
<v Speaker 15>and he has his church camp and this and that

1084
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 15>and he but he didn't want to lose his spot

1085
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.960
<v Speaker 15>on the All Star team. And I said, hey, your

1086
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 15>kid earned his spot here. He can go to camp,

1087
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.519
<v Speaker 15>but just know he's going to be behind in the

1088
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.960
<v Speaker 15>you know, the coach trying to get the team together

1089
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.400
<v Speaker 15>from all the guys from the different teams and stuff.

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<v Speaker 15>But hey, let him go to camp. And he's still

1091
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 15>an All Star in my in my eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, always we got to go.

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<v Speaker 15>I always hated the guys limited the rosters too.

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<v Speaker 3>But okay, thanks guys, Hey, thanks thanks for getting us

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<v Speaker 3>to the end. Here we are. Thanks for coming in.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah sure of course, uh thanks for coming in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for having me. Sorry I was running late. No,

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<v Speaker 2>no deal with adult situations. You you'll run your laps

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<v Speaker 2>after today. Thanks everybody for listening. I'll be in tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I see what goes on. I'll be here Friday and

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00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 2>then get on Monday and taking some time off. Let

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<v Speaker 2>us know where you're saying so we can all send

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<v Speaker 2>you nasty notes. Please come to Denver, she said no,
