1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,639 Speaker 1: Them back to the Epstein chronicles. In this episode, we're 2 00:00:04,639 --> 00:00:08,400 gonna hop back to August first of twenty twenty one 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,679 and an article from Radar Online. In this episode, we're 4 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:17,440 gonna talk about the Ponzi scheme that Jeffrey Epstein was 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:24,920 involved in that somehow he avoided all responsibility for. So 6 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:30,559 let's dive into this article that was authored by Dominic Utten. 7 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:35,280 Headline how Jeffrey Epstein made a fortune from an illegal 8 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:40,439 Ponzi scheme then skipped away with millions of other people's money. 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,640 Sounds about right par for the course for mister scumbag himself. 10 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,079 And there was never any restitution for these people. They 11 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:54,000 stole millions of dollars. Him and Steve Hoffenberg. They stole 12 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:57,640 a grip of money from these people. And while Hoffenberg 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,280 paid his debt to society doing eight teen years in prison, 14 00:01:02,079 --> 00:01:05,040 Jeffrey Epstein, of course, was able to go on and 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:10,840 continue his streak of rape and abuse and money laundering 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,319 and god knows what else. When the full horror of 17 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:21,040 billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's crimes were laid bare in twenty 18 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,599 and nineteen, the world wondered how he managed to get 19 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,760 away with his abuse for so long. But as authors 20 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,480 Dylan Howard, Melissa Crownin, and James Robertson revealing their book 21 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:37,879 Epstein Dead Men Tell No Tales, the man who would 22 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:41,640 be unmasked as the worst pedophile in American history was 23 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:45,239 guilty of other criminal acts too, and should have been 24 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,280 should have been jailed in the early nineteen nineties. All 25 00:01:50,319 --> 00:01:52,680 of that is correct. Dudes should have been in prison 26 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:55,280 a long time ago. If it was you or I 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,200 who got involved in one of these Ponzi schemes or 28 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,120 you know, read erecting money from someone's pension, you better 29 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:06,280 believe we'd be doing prison time and we should be right. 30 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,759 You know. I'm all for prison rehabilitation, like I always say, 31 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:14,840 and for people being able to, you know, not get 32 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,560 felonies or not be put into jail for minor drug possession. 33 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,879 But if you're stealing money like this from people's pensions 34 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,280 and you're involved in financial dick hettery, well, my friend, 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,520 there is a nice place for you in jail. As 36 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,960 the authors explain, Epstein's rise through Wall Street was unusual 37 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,199 and unusually fast. Born in New York and raised in 38 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,080 the quiet Brooklyn community of Seagate, his early life seemed unremarkable, 39 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,639 and after leaving university without graduating, he initially worked as 40 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:54,400 a math teacher in Manhattan before being dismissed from the 41 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:59,759 prestigious Dalton School for his lackadaisical teaching style. Oh, I'm 42 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:02,120 sure that's all it was. I'm sure that he never 43 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:06,000 made any passes at any girls while he was at Dalton. Nah, 44 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,719 that never happened. He was a master manipulator. They right, 45 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,000 but Epstein's manipulations weren't always done through legal means. By 46 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:19,039 the early nineties, the authorities had set their sights on 47 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:23,919 Epstein for operating a multimillion dollar Ponzi scheme. Now think 48 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,639 about that for a minute. When the authorities zero went 49 00:03:26,719 --> 00:03:30,080 on you for a Ponzi scheme and they're building a case, 50 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,879 you know, money laundering, wire fraud, all of their favorite charges, well, 51 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:39,199 you know that you're in big trouble. And it is 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,960 exceedingly rare for people to end up walking when they're 53 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,080 caught up in something like this. And usually when you 54 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:51,800 do walk, that's because you turn snitch. You're ratting out 55 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,479 all of your co conspirators. You're ratting out anyone who 56 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,680 was involved in the scheme, and you're looking to not 57 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,960 end up doing twenty years via co charges. So that's 58 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,400 obviously what Epstein did. He obviously turned rat, told the 59 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:10,479 authorities what was going on, and started his working relationship 60 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,719 with whichever scumbag in the government you want to add. 61 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,399 But the fact is, you don't just walk on stuff 62 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:25,959 like this if you're not being protected. Howard, Cronin and 63 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,360 Robertson also note that the master manipulator was to use 64 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:35,279 his dismissal to his advantage. True to form, Epstein somehow 65 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:38,480 managed to turn that failure into a stepping stone to 66 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:42,079 even greater success a job on Wall Street. They write, 67 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,360 during a parent teacher conference, the twenty three year old 68 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,160 had managed to dazzle one student's financier father. So when 69 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:53,879 Epstein was fired from Dalton, the broker connected Epstein with 70 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,439 Alan Greenberg, a Wall Street bigwig who was poised to 71 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:03,279 become chief executive officer of multi billion dollar global investment 72 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,800 bank and brokerage firm Bear Stearns. How many times are 73 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:14,879 you gonna fall face first and land clean? It was 74 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,319 a common procedure for Epstein. How many people leave, leave 75 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,560 their little shitty ass teaching job and go get a 76 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:25,399 job with bear Stearns. How many people happened to just 77 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,480 meet someone's dad during a parent teacher conference and go 78 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,800 on to have this whole Wall Street career. See that 79 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,199 whole entire thing, this whole genesis story here really doesn't 80 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:41,439 add up to me, honestly. Later that year, Epstein landed 81 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,399 a job at bear Stearns as a low level junior 82 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,360 assistant to a floor trader. He swiftly rose through the ranks, 83 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:52,240 and within four years he had become a limited partner, 84 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:59,560 taking on mega millionaire clients like Seagram president Edgar Bronfan Bromfman. Hm. 85 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:02,439 Where we heard that name before? Oh, that's right in 86 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,639 the Nexium trial. Huh, Clara Bromffman, her sister. They were 87 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:12,319 right at the top with Keith Rainiery. You see how 88 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,560 all of this is circular. You see how all of 89 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,160 these people at some point were rubbing elbows and breaking 90 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:25,279 bread and hanging out with each other, getting in on 91 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:28,879 Wall Street before the nineteen eighties banking boom allowed Epstein 92 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:32,160 to build a spectacular network of connections that made him 93 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:35,120 the toast of Manhattan during one of the most prosperous 94 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:38,519 decades it had ever seen. Well there's no doubt about 95 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,360 that this point in time, Wall Street was quite possibly 96 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:45,959 the greediest it has ever been. Remember the movie Wall 97 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,040 Street with Charlie Sheen and Michael Douglas. That was a 98 00:06:51,079 --> 00:06:57,000 good characterization of stockbrokers and Wall Street in general. Greed 99 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:01,399 is good. Remember that tagline, you ask me how I know, Well, 100 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,439 I might have a stockbroker or two floating around in 101 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,600 my family. Look, the moral of the story is the 102 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,959 financial sector is broken, and all of these people that are, 103 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,319 you know, running around in the financial sector. I don't 104 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,240 even know what to say, honestly, at this point. It 105 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,439 is an absolute shit show the way they conduct business. 106 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,240 In just a few short years with Bear Stearns, Epstein 107 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:35,519 had made millions of dollars, was traveling full time by 108 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,000 chauffeur Limo, had billionaires relying on his financial advice, and 109 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:45,120 was carousing around town with stunning women on both arms. Still, 110 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:49,120 it was not enough. Epstein's greed and ambition were to 111 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,720 push him to grow even more desperate and reckless in 112 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:56,000 his pursuit of money and influence. And that's how it 113 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,040 always is with these guys, right, Greed, greed, greed, and 114 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:04,040 more greed and thankfully a lot of times, that's also 115 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:08,120 what ends up getting them captured their greed at they're hubris. 116 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:13,040 In early nineteen eighty one, one of Epstein's colleagues at 117 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,920 bear Stearns tipped off management that Epstein was testing the 118 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:21,319 boundaries of the law, right Howard Cronin and Robertson. After 119 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,319 an investigation, Epstein admitted he had loaned twenty thousand dollars 120 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,240 to a friend, Warren Eisenstein, who then used the money 121 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:34,679 to invest in stocks, with Epstein's insider knowledge guiding him. 122 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:39,799 It was unethical and potentially illegal, not for Epstein always 123 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,000 finds a way to wiggle off, doesn't he. Epstein somehow 124 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:45,960 managed to escape with a twenty five hundred dollars fine, 125 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,039 but a few days later he was under the spotlight 126 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,159 again when the US Securities and Exchange Commission opened an 127 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,720 investigation into Epstein's client, Edgar Bronfman, and Epstein was accused 128 00:08:58,759 --> 00:09:02,279 of illegal secure these violations, that should have been the 129 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,919 end of it right there. He should have been busted 130 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:13,480 and absolutely disgraced. But that's not the case, is it. 131 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,080 We all know that Epstein somehow, some way parlayed this 132 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:26,879 into what we see occur later on. Depending on who 133 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:31,080 you ask, Epstein was either unceremoniously fired at that point 134 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,200 or quit in a blaze of glory. The authors continue. 135 00:09:34,639 --> 00:09:38,159 Either way, it left the unabashed social climber in a 136 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:42,480 very undesirable position. No longer a Wall Street wonder kind. 137 00:09:42,759 --> 00:09:47,440 Epstein was jobless, homeless, and running out of funds. He 138 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:50,559 had to get creative. Yeah, well, we all know how 139 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,440 he got creative, don't we. That creativity was to lead 140 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,639 Epstein to take on controversial black market clients like Saudi 141 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,559 Arabian businessman ad Non Koshogi four, whom he helped broker 142 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,279 global armament deals, including the sale of major weaponry like 143 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,639 the a Wax Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft. So 144 00:10:12,919 --> 00:10:17,639 here your ties with Jeffrey Epstein and Saudi Arabia. Remember 145 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,600 we were talking about the Saudi Arabian passport. Well, when 146 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,879 you're helping guys like Kashogi out ad Non Koshogi, not 147 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,840 Jamal Kashogi, the one who was killed by the Saudis 148 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:32,039 in the Turkish embassy, but ad Non Koshoki, the famed 149 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:35,679 arms dealer, Well you know that you're gonna have some 150 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:40,519 ties to the Saudi royal family, and Epstein obviously parlayed 151 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,840 those ties into getting himself that fake passport and lord 152 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:50,200 knows what else. In nineteen eighty seven, Epstein's business affairs 153 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,759 had become increasingly shady, and it all came to a 154 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,639 head when he met Steve Hoffenberg of Tower Financial Corporation, 155 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,840 a leading debt collection and corporate rating agency at the time. 156 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,480 So right off the bat, the second you tell me 157 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,679 you're a debt collector, I gotta roll my eyes. Debt collector? 158 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:14,000 The hell does that even mean? In an exclusive interview, 159 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,320 Hoffenberg tells the authors of Epstein Dead Men Tell No 160 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:21,879 Tales what attracted him to the financier pedophile. I was 161 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,840 very impressed with the unbelievable personality and unbelievable ability of 162 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:30,679 Jeffrey Epstein to become a friend, and the uncanny ability 163 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:33,919 that he had as a mastermind criminal on Wall Street. 164 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,080 He says, Jeffrey Epstein was brilliant, was a brilliant, brilliant 165 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,320 Wall Street mastermind in criminality for securities fraud. I was 166 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:47,279 greatly impressed with his demeanor, his ability to understand complex securities, 167 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,399 underwritings and sales to investors, so that shorthand for Hoffenberg 168 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,120 saying he recognized someone who would be an important cog 169 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:06,759 in his upcoming schemes because of Epstein's scumbaggery. He was 170 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:10,159 so unusual as an executive and had so much ability. 171 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,519 It was just very surprising how gifted he was. His 172 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,279 ability to sell you securities when you weren't looking to 173 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,720 acquire securities was remarkable. He would end up convincing you 174 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:24,279 to buy securities in Towers Financial. You weren't even considering 175 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,120 that he had that gift and that ability. So basically 176 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:35,080 he's a bullshit artist, snake oil salesman, Carnival Barker, kind 177 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,960 of like a lot of these people out here putting 178 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,039 out these stupid articles we see all the time. But 179 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,919 once again Epstein could not resist the shortcut, even if 180 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:48,720 it was illegal. Quickly they set the setup at Towers 181 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:54,120 Financial evolved into a huge Ponzi scheme. As explained by Hoffenberg, 182 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:57,679 you raise money from one investor to pay another investor. 183 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,519 That's the simple definition of ponzi. Jeffrey Epstein participated full 184 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,960 time and was a mastermind in that part of the 185 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,639 Tower Financial crimes. Towers Financial got into an awful lot 186 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,879 of legal problems and litigations and ended up going into bankruptcy. Now, 187 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,759 normal people who get caught up in this, they go 188 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:21,960 to jail man, they go to prison. After the authorities 189 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,960 were alerted to the illegal scheme, trustees were appointed to 190 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:29,120 operate the company, and once again Epstein showed his talent 191 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,960 for manipulation. Jeffrey Epstein had a very strong relationship with 192 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,360 the lawyers that the trustees hired. Hoffenberg tells the authors. 193 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,600 Actually the trustee in bankruptcy at Towers Financial, a man 194 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,519 named Alan Cohen, hired one of Jeffrey Epstein's best friends 195 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:49,360 and lawyers in Dyke and Khan to investigate Jeffrey Epstein 196 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:54,320 at Towers Financial, which is remarkable. Jeffrey Epstein manipulated that 197 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:59,039 occurrence without question. So there's another little golden nugget for you. 198 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:01,279 When I talk about in Dike and Khn and how 199 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,200 crucial they were, you see it here on the ground level. 200 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:11,960 Jeffrey Epstein manipulated the situation so that these guys in 201 00:14:12,039 --> 00:14:15,679 Dike and Cohn were the ones performing the investigation on Epstein, 202 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:19,759 his best friends. Basically, Nah, no nepotism out over here. 203 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:25,000 There's no you know, two level to playing field. No 204 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:31,240 two tier justice system, give me a break. The outcome 205 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,159 was even more jaw dropping. In nineteen ninety five, Hoffenberg 206 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,360 was sentenced to twenty years in prison, a one million 207 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,399 dollar fine, and four one hundred and sixty three million 208 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,600 dollars in restitution, while Epstein he dodged all charges. I 209 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:51,720 wonder why. So this is the in in my mind anyway, 210 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:55,600 this is where Epstein was really locked in as an informant. 211 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,919 The way we talked about Whitey Bulger, how he was 212 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,840 working with the government and they were willing to look 213 00:15:01,879 --> 00:15:06,480 the other way. Same thing with Epstein. Epstein was not 214 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:10,679 punished in the crimes at Towers financial Hoffenberg continues, Jeffrey 215 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,759 Epstein's ability as a master criminal got him out of 216 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,759 the penalty box for all of that. That's what happened 217 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:20,120 continuously in his other criminal charges as well, and we 218 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:23,120 have seen a pattern of that. Right, normal people don't 219 00:15:23,159 --> 00:15:25,960 get off on things like this. Hell, normal people don't 220 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,440 get off on anything. But somehow Epstein, somehow found a 221 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,399 way what could and almost certainly should have been a 222 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,080 lengthy prison stretch and financial ruin was instead a mere 223 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,840 footnote in Epstein's life story. And as Howard Cronin and 224 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:48,879 Robertson reveal. Hoffenberg believes the pedophile may even have used 225 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:51,960 the scheme to fund his future crimes. Oh, I don't 226 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,399 doubt that. I guarantee that Epstein was not only stealing 227 00:15:55,399 --> 00:15:59,279 from the clients, but stealing from Hoffenberg. This dude was 228 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,679 using that money, setting up offshore accounts, the whole fucking thing. Man, 229 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:09,240 have no doubt about that. Epstein didn't just escape justice, 230 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:12,600 they right. Hoffenberg claimed he moved on to new adventures. 231 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:16,320 With millions in his pocket. Epstein was able to fund 232 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,679 his criminal enterprise financial Trust Company and Jeffrey Epstein in company. 233 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,159 Hoffenberg alleged there was another I believe it was International 234 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,080 Asset Collections. He was able to fund it with the 235 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,840 assets and money from the Tower's financial crimes. And we 236 00:16:32,879 --> 00:16:34,879 all know that should never happen. If you get caught 237 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,960 up in something like this, you should do time, you 238 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,559 should be indicted, you should have your assets seized. But 239 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:42,840 none of that ever happened for Epstein. None of it. 240 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,360 And when we go back and we look at stories 241 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,240 like this, it just shows you. It shines a spotlight 242 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,799 on how egregious it all was, how the government failed 243 00:16:53,879 --> 00:16:57,159 at every level to stop this man. How many chances 244 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,679 did they have and how many times did they fail 245 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:04,680 to stop them? 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