1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. 2 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: It's all behaved with Arden Moore, this show that teaches 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,199 you how to have harmony in the household with your pets. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,320 Join Ardina. She travels coast to coast to help millions 5 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:21,039 better understand why cats and dogs do what they do. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,280 Get that latest scoop on famous spaces, they're perfectly pampered pets, 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,679 and who's walking Go and rent in Tinseltown. From famous 8 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:31,839 pet experts and best selling authors to television and movie stars. 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,880 You'll get the latest buzz from Wagging Tongues and Tails Garner, 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,719 great pet tips and have a dog one fer flying 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,000 fun time. So get ready for the paws and applause 12 00:00:41,079 --> 00:00:45,320 as we unleaseh your oh Behave hosts America's pet edutainer 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:46,240 Arden More. 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Oh Behave Show on Pet Life Radio. 15 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:55,119 I'm your host Arden Moore. Now on today's show, we're 16 00:00:55,119 --> 00:00:59,159 going to talk about pet youth in Asia. Yep, youth 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,200 in Asia literally means good death. But how can we 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,760 make saying goodbye to our pet pain free? How do 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,840 we make the goodbye memorable and one that is definitely 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,879 filled with compassion. There's a trend going on. More and 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,480 more pet parents are opting to say goodbye to their 22 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:23,560 pets not inside a veterinary exam room, but actually in 23 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:29,319 their own home. There's a growing demand for compassionate, knowledgeable 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:36,079 veterinarians who can perform at home pet euthanasias and go ahead, 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,120 grab the tissue box. But this is supposed to be 26 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:41,200 an empowering this is going to help us all. And 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,599 the person here to help us is one such veterinarian. 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:51,760 She is doctor Megan Metter, and she is from lack 29 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:55,840 of Love. Welcome, Welcome, doctor Megan. Thank you got it 30 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:59,159 here all right? You say the word euthanasia and all 31 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,519 sudden people to stop in their tracks. But what's your 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,000 take on euthanasia? 33 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:06,879 Speaker 3: My take is that euthansia is one of the most 34 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:09,919 beautiful and compassionate gifts that we can give our pets. 35 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,120 You know, these pets give us a lifetime of love 36 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,439 and companionship and joy. And when we bring these guys home, 37 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:22,680 just like your human children, you have the responsibility that 38 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:25,800 you're always going to do what's best for them, always 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,560 going to make the decisions that's in their favor. And you, 40 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,000 anitia is us that when they're old and their quality 41 00:02:32,039 --> 00:02:34,800 of life is no longer there when they're suffering from 42 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,319 pain or chronic illness or even acute illness, and that 43 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:41,800 suffering is just not going to get better. Euthanasia that 44 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,960 last compassionate gift that we can give them that is 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,560 truly during work from their best interest to end their suffering. 46 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Everyone, we're speaking with doctor Megan Better and we're going 47 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,680 to dive in a little bit more. But we're going 48 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:56,759 to take a quick break. And you all know the drill. 49 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,560 I mean, you gotta sit, you gotta stay. 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Now back to your fetching host, America's 67 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,599 pet ed You, Tayner Arden More. 68 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:16,199 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the old Behave show on pet Life Radio. 69 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,439 I'm your host, Arden Moore. I am very honored to 70 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,759 have on our show a veterinarian by the name of 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,480 doctor Meghan Meta, and she is with Lap of Love. 72 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,199 And you're thinking, what the heck is Lap of Love? Well, 73 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,519 years ago there was a couple of veterinarians and we'll 74 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,399 have doctor Meghan fill this in. I met one of them, 75 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,600 doctor Danny, when she was launching in one state Lap 76 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:42,040 of Love. I understand you now are in like over 77 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,720 forty states. So doctor Megan, what the heck is Lap 78 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:46,079 of Love? 79 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:50,079 Speaker 3: So Lap of Love is a network of doctors across 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,879 the country. And as you said, we're not an off seat, 81 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:56,879 but we're in most states where you can call us 82 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:00,120 and at upno appointment, and we will actually have a 83 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,600 doctor come out to your home and put your pet 84 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:06,560 to sleep in the comfort of your own home. And 85 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,800 we're not just about the actual process of giving the drugs. 86 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,319 We actually are there for you every step of the way, 87 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,120 from the moment that you call in and you're not 88 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,600 really sure what you or what the next steps are, 89 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,879 to helping guide you through end of life discussions, to 90 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,000 that actual moment where you say goodbye, to the after 91 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:29,720 care your pet, to even helping you hear pet law 92 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:32,959 support and bereavement and grief and that sort of thing. 93 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,040 We help you hear the entire profit and our goal 94 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,839 is to keep you out of the clinic setting for 95 00:05:39,959 --> 00:05:42,959 euthanasia so that your pet can pass in the comfort 96 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,160 of their own home and their favorite spot with their 97 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:46,560 favorite people around them. 98 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: It's funny, as you're speaking my cat, pet safety cat, Casey, 99 00:05:50,319 --> 00:05:53,360 who is a therapy cat, so he goes to memory 100 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:56,639 care centers and schools and libraries. He just climbed into 101 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:59,279 my lap. You have some power, girl. I don't know 102 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:02,519 about that. Maybe it's your power, I don't know, but 103 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:05,079 you know, let's talk a little bit about yourself, because 104 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,680 you are a veterinarian and you graduated from one of 105 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,279 my favorite vet schools, Tufts University. Go tell people your 106 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:14,519 backstory because they're going to be curious, as maybe say 107 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,079 a cat named Casey, how you went from one field 108 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,040 a veterinary medicine to this one. 109 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had jokingly say I went from one 110 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,480 end of the spectrum to the exact opposite. When I 111 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,480 was in VET school, like you said, at university up 112 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,360 in Massachusetts, I knew that I wanted to be an 113 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,879 emergency veterinarians, where I kind of worked everything in that direction. 114 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:41,160 I did an internship, which is extra training. We're not 115 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,639 required to do one, but I chose to do one 116 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:47,920 after school. I didn't or an internship in rotating spinalmal 117 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:52,439 medicine and emergency care. I went from that into a 118 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,360 job in emergency medicine, and I worked in South Florida 119 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,480 and Puthwest Florida my entire career, and I worked at 120 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:02,519 several differ in the hospital, but essentially my job at 121 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:06,759 each one of those hospitals was an emergency critical care butterineerian. 122 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,759 So I'm the one that you know if your dog 123 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,040 unfortunately gets really really sick, or gets hit by a car, 124 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,800 or needs emergency surgery or something like that. I'm the 125 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:20,879 person that you would see and I would help arrange 126 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,600 your you know, get get your pet out of that 127 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,720 immediate crisis, and hopefully transfer your pet into the critical 128 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,079 care and intensive care that they needed. And I did 129 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,800 that for twelve years, and I loved it. I loved 130 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:37,439 the pace, I loved the intensity, I loved all the 131 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,920 cool stuff that I got to do. But towards the 132 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,160 end of that, I started to suffer from really significant burnout, 133 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,199 to the point where I just didn't really want to 134 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:50,439 be a veterinarian anymore. That's not good exactly. You know 135 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,800 when you spend your whole life working for your dream 136 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:55,600 or your everything, you know, and then to decide that, 137 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,600 oh no, I don't want to do this anymore. So 138 00:07:57,639 --> 00:07:59,600 I started looking for something else that I could do 139 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:01,560 and the way that I can make an impact. And 140 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,360 at the time, this was during COVID. 141 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,319 Speaker 1: Oh the fun time in our lives. 142 00:08:06,399 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, rockly, but I was looking for a way to 143 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,680 get out of the hospital setting and do something where 144 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,399 I could, you know, work in a completely a different setting. 145 00:08:14,439 --> 00:08:17,079 And you know, Lap of Love where I live in Florida. 146 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,040 That's where Lapla Blow started. And so they've been around 147 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,240 for the majority of my career, and I'd always work 148 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:25,879 for clients to them and had really good positive reviews 149 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,839 coming back. So I thought, you know, what the heck, 150 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:32,120 I'll try it and see how it goes. And I 151 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,519 did not realize that I would love doing it as 152 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,519 much as I do. I really enjoy my job. I 153 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,159 feel very fulfilled doing it. You know, it's such an 154 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,720 important feature of our life with our pets that often 155 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:46,279 gets overlooked, I think, so it's good to kind of 156 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:48,639 shed some light on that end of the fact. I'm 157 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,480 rather than the hero swooping into stable life. 158 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: You traded your super Woman tape for one very compassionate hug, right, 159 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,240 I mean, you're there. This is kind of be a 160 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,360 little dicey tricky for you. I don't want to say 161 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,080 the word dicey. This has got to be a little 162 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:06,039 tricky for you because you're coming into a home and 163 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:08,759 you may not know this animal that is ready to 164 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:11,559 say goodbye. But you're a human being. I don't think you're. 165 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: AI, are you right most of the time now, So 166 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,559 I mean you've. 167 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:18,279 Speaker 1: Got to size up the family, and you're kind of 168 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,080 a grief counselor for them. But you're also a medical 169 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,240 professional to be able to make sure that the euthanasia 170 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:30,120 is going painless and without hurt to the animal. Can 171 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,279 you can you talk about that a little bit, because 172 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,559 I think you mentioned that there's some new protocols and 173 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:41,279 medicine that actually makes the process pain free but compassionate. Yeah. 174 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,399 Speaker 3: So we do a very different protocol than what is 175 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,120 typically done in hospital setting. And I'm not knocking the 176 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,399 way we do it in hospital. It's done for a 177 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,559 reason and everybody kind of does it the same way, 178 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:56,799 and we've all you know, it's the way we've always 179 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,159 done it, and that's how we do it typically. You know, 180 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,879 if you take your pet in for euthanasia, your staff 181 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,919 is going to put you into an exam room that 182 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:09,440 feel a lot of times very cold, very sterile, not 183 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,200 very personable because a lot of times before you've been 184 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,320 for medical care. You're not there for personal things. You're 185 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,120 there for medical care, so it feels very sterile. A 186 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,840 lot of times they take your cut away from you, 187 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:23,039 which is something that we try to obviously avoid. So 188 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,279 I'll put an IVY catheter into your pet, which often 189 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:29,240 can be a very strustful experience for your pet and 190 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:31,480 they bring your pet back to you where you may 191 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:33,600 or may not be given time to stay goodbye or 192 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,799 time to spend with your pet. And your pet may 193 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:38,480 be in a lot of distress from whatever reason you're 194 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:42,000 bringing them in, or they're pain, anxiety, illness, et cetera. 195 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,840 And we typically give one injection that puts your pet 196 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,279 under anesthesia very very quickly, within seconds, and then we 197 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,600 typically give the Euthanesian injection very quickly after that. So 198 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,240 that's in the clinical setting, correct, Yeah, And so what 199 00:10:56,279 --> 00:10:58,799 you experienced as a pet owner is very quickly your 200 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:01,399 pet goes from here to not here, very very quickly. 201 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,080 And I didn't realize how traumatic that can use. The 202 00:11:04,159 --> 00:11:06,480 families spend real I heard talking for them in this 203 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,639 setting and seeing, you know, talking to them when they 204 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:12,200 they're now on the other side from what I've experienced, 205 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,840 and finding out that they just don't like that. It's 206 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,240 very it's great upsetting what we do, what lack of love, guys. 207 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,440 And we have a set of drug protocols that we use, 208 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,679 and obviously this is tailored to each individual patient as necessary. 209 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,279 But when I come in the home, I typically do 210 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,960 spend some time both medically looking at your pet listening 211 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,440 to your discussion, but also, like you said, kind of 212 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,320 from the interpersonal side, siving you up. And that sounds 213 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:40,480 very derogatory. I don't mean it too, but you're looking 214 00:11:40,519 --> 00:11:43,840 for signals, you're doing your job reading people, yeah, which 215 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:47,679 is definitely something I learned from emergency medicine, being able 216 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,240 to go into an exam room very quickly and they like, 217 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,799 your pet is very very sick or very right injured, 218 00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:55,399 and I need to know where you're at right now 219 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:57,519 as far as what you want to do. And so 220 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:00,399 I learned a lot from that, Kate, and that at 221 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:03,799 that I can now apply here in this setting where 222 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,960 I can typically read people pretty quickly, and I think 223 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,559 all of us at lack of blove do get good 224 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,600 at that pretty quickly, to try to figure out where 225 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,480 where you're at, where you're coming from, what your story is, 226 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,960 what your pet story is, and trying to guide me 227 00:12:17,039 --> 00:12:20,519 through that decision. So I do spend some time doing 228 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,320 that before we even move to the ethanasia stage, and 229 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,360 it typically as much or as the whole time as 230 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,360 the family needs to kind of guide them through it's okay, 231 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,720 saying it's okay, this decision is the right thing to 232 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:34,879 do for your pet. But once we get to the 233 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:38,120 medical side of things, typically what we do as far 234 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:40,759 as medicine goes as we give a cop deal of 235 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,799 drugs as an injection. I usually give it into a 236 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:47,559 pet so under the skin, into muffle. Really. However, I 237 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,879 can get it into your put with the least amount 238 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:52,840 of breast and anxiety as possible, and that cocktail of 239 00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:55,720 drugs typically puts them under anesthesia within about five to 240 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:58,720 ten minutes. So what you as a pet owner get 241 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,639 to see as your pet, your pin rock to sleep 242 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,639 very very gently, very smoothly, and like, yeah, I do too, 243 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:08,399 and I think it's from the grief side. It's very 244 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,559 important for people to be able to see their pet 245 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:13,960 out of pain, out of anxiety, out of suffering as 246 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,799 some of their last moments before their pet actually passes. 247 00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:19,440 While your pets getting sleepy, I catifically make a few 248 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,080 keep stick items. I make a little clay coperant and 249 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:24,200 we clip them for for you to keep things like that. 250 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,200 Once I feel like your pets out of pain and 251 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,879 completely under anesthesia, I'll last first, but then I give 252 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,519 the euth aanesia injection and I typically give it into 253 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,320 the vein with a needle. I don't have the place 254 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,240 an iva. I don't have to go through that extra 255 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,639 potentially a struffle step for everybody. And a lot of 256 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,000 times clients don't even notice what I'm doing. They're so 257 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:46,039 focused on loving on their pet that they don't see 258 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,600 what I'm doing. They don't notice, they often don't even remember. 259 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,320 But your pet passes almost immediately, typically within a minute 260 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,759 or two of me giving that that last injection. So 261 00:13:54,879 --> 00:13:57,559 your your pet goes from being awake to sleepy to 262 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:02,240 drowslee the under anaesthesia. And I like that. Yeah, it's 263 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:04,080 it's a much nicer process. 264 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,519 Speaker 1: We're speaking with doctor Meghan Medar and she is with 265 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,440 lamp of love and wow, I've never had it explain 266 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,559 so well as you just did. We're gonna talk more 267 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:17,120 after we take this quick break, so sit stay, We'll 268 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:23,240 be right back time for a walk on the red car. 269 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,639 Speaker 2: But of course all behave We'll be backing up last 270 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,360 right after these messages. 271 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,639 Speaker 1: Begging to hear more of your favorite show. 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And 283 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:16,000 we had our record showing at the box, the letterbox 284 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:18,320 that is now back to Oh Behave. 285 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,559 Speaker 1: Here's Arden, welcome back to the old Behave show on 286 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,679 pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Arden Moore. There's this 287 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:27,720 gal in South Florida and she's a veterinarian. She's a 288 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:31,080 damn good one. She's also a proud pet parent. Doctor 289 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,879 Meghan the what's the four layers at your house? 290 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:34,159 Speaker 4: So? 291 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:37,679 Speaker 3: I have two dogs, three cats, and two guinea pigs 292 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:38,360 at my home. 293 00:15:38,879 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so never born? 294 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:40,799 Speaker 3: Right? 295 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:41,919 Speaker 1: No, never born? 296 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:42,919 Speaker 3: They keep me busy. 297 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,919 Speaker 1: And also when you were going to vet school, because 298 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,200 you are also a pet parent, you're a veterinarian but 299 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,480 you're a pet parent, can you share about the bond 300 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,759 that you had with a one eyed cat named Simon. 301 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:59,799 Speaker 3: Oh, one eyed Simon was the best. So I adopted 302 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,399 this when I was in depth school. My first it 303 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,440 was around it was two thousand and seven when your 304 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,559 podcast started. It was that, oh yeah, look at that. 305 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: My producer's dancing in his chair right now, because our 306 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,120 guests remembered that we've been on the air since seven nice. 307 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: I was a student technician in the top Er and 308 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,799 Simon was a kiddie that a good Smaragan found on 309 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,559 the side of the road after what we think was 310 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:26,360 a hit by car up incident. He suffered head trauma 311 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:29,639 and a little bit of brain damage, and he ultimately 312 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:32,320 lost one of his eyes. Bighup of it. But I 313 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:35,399 adopted him before the loss of his eye, that after 314 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,840 the recovery of his head trauma. He is a black, 315 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:41,799 long haired kat roughly a year old, and I named 316 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,279 him Simon. Simon is a Hebrew name that means God 317 00:16:46,279 --> 00:16:47,639 has heard my prayers. 318 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: Which, oh, I didn't know that. 319 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: Really it sounds so very interestitting for his situation. I 320 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,120 am not Jewish, but I thought that it was beautiful. Anyway, 321 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:01,600 It doesn't matter exactly exactly, but he became my vet 322 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:04,599 school buddy and we were glued at the hip. He 323 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,920 traveled with me, He moved with me from home to home. 324 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,920 When I graduated by school, he graduated too. We called 325 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,359 him doctor Sir Simon. So I actually I have a 326 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,160 picture somewhere of him wearing a little doctor hostume. 327 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: That was really cute. 328 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: But he was with me through everything, and he was 329 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,200 such a formative experience for me. You know, he was 330 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,519 with me through a lot of trauma in my own life, 331 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,359 a lot of difficulties. Like I said, he moved with 332 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,880 me from graduation, from my first row, grown up job, 333 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,799 moving from Massachusetts to Florida, and multiple homes in Florida. 334 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:40,240 He was with me through your marriage, divorced, through starting 335 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:40,759 new job. 336 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a touchstone, that's for sure. 337 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,519 Speaker 3: It was. And he was even with me as I 338 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:49,960 need the transition from emergency not a senthilappla block as well. 339 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you because this is something 340 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,279 that you could share from one pet parent to another. 341 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,000 I know you're a veterinarian, but you decided to do 342 00:17:58,079 --> 00:18:01,720 something to memorize to come. I'm orate your life, your 343 00:18:01,799 --> 00:18:04,200 years with Simon. Can you share what you did? 344 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:07,039 Speaker 3: Yeah? So I've been working for a lot of Love 345 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:10,400 for about a year when I had to say goodbye 346 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,599 to Simon, and I was so grateful that I could 347 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,880 do it at home as opposed to taking him to 348 00:18:16,519 --> 00:18:19,799 one of my friends in another clinic. And so I 349 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:21,839 did this ride to let him go at home. I 350 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,319 did have him pre made it and have his ashes 351 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,519 returned back to me. And I took some of his 352 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,720 ashes and sent them to a jeweler who had a 353 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:34,960 ring made for me. And it's a very simple, very 354 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,119 daisy It's a sofa ring with a track through the 355 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,839 center that has some of his ashes mixed with blue cortzstone. 356 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,039 And so I wear that on my right ring finger 357 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,839 and never take it off, and it it's the way 358 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:49,920 I feel connected to him even after he passed. 359 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: I like that which gets me to this point. You 360 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:55,559 at Lap of Love, you do perform the youth in 361 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,519 Asia at home. As you said before, you don't stop there. 362 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,720 You keep in touch with people. I understand you, even 363 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:05,400 on the anniversary of the passing. What does Lap of 364 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,200 Love do. 365 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: We even send you an email thing that we are 366 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:10,960 just thinking of you. We know it's been a year 367 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:13,960 since your cut past, but we're here for you if 368 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:14,720 you need anything. 369 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,319 Speaker 1: So what are some other ways that you could offer 370 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,160 to give people ideas on how to commemorate this life 371 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,119 you had with your pet. After youth in Asia. 372 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: The creativity had no bounds on a plus and I 373 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,240 think I think you know, just going on ETP not 374 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:33,519 to plug Etsy in particular, but things like that. You 375 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:36,200 know where you have lots of different creatives that are 376 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:39,240 out there. Anything your heart desires, somebody will make it 377 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:42,759 for you. I have seen simple things that don't necessarily 378 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:45,079 involve like a piece of the pet, so to speak, 379 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:50,039 things like photos, wind chimes, garden stones, things like that. 380 00:19:50,279 --> 00:19:54,240 I've seen people have some of those stuffed plush he's 381 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:57,759 made that look like their pet. Sometimes the makers will 382 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,359 even make a place where you can put for or 383 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,720 something like that inside of the bushy so that it 384 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,599 does have a piece of your pet, so to speak. Jewelry, 385 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,640 like I said, I had a had a ring made 386 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,480 with my kittie. I also had prior to that, before 387 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,400 there was a proliferation of what you can have available 388 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,599 now my two childhood dogs, I had indoor beats for 389 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,480 a bracelet, nade there scar ashes and obviously I'm a 390 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,759 fan of the jewelry, so because then I can, I think, 391 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:25,160 so I can wear them with me all the time. 392 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,319 I even you can see Simon's ring on right now. 393 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:31,519 So yeah, I had one family who asked me to 394 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,039 shape They had a beautiful American f from a dog 395 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,440 with big, schluffy white fur. They asked me to shape 396 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:40,559 a large section of fur and return it to them 397 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:43,720 so they could have a little felt figure made with 398 00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:46,000 the fur, like the actual fur the pet. So I 399 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,079 thought that was really cute. So yeah, like anything your 400 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,279 heart desires, there's somebody out there who will make it 401 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:52,079 for you. 402 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,799 Speaker 1: You also recommend that there are some places how people 403 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,440 can deal with the grief, whether it's like in person 404 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,160 on line. What are some of the things that Lap 405 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,119 of Love will steer people for that, because after it, 406 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,160 you're still grieving. 407 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,799 Speaker 3: We are, and it's okay. You know, we grieve our 408 00:21:09,839 --> 00:21:12,440 packs the samely we grave people. We go through the 409 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,599 exact same process in our brain. And it's normal for 410 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,559 grief to have no timeline, but it's also a normal 411 00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:21,440 for it to take a really long time for us 412 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,599 to get through it. And on one of the unfortunate things 413 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:26,720 about grief is that it can be very isolating. So 414 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:28,960 it's important to know that there are people out there 415 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,039 who can help you and help either be professional support 416 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:35,799 or just be peer support. You know, people who have 417 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,599 gone through it just like you. We have Black of 418 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,480 Love has a very robust grief support system, a lot 419 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:45,440 of resources available on our website. Even for people that 420 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,160 don't uthanize our cut through us, you can go on 421 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,359 the website and find this time. 422 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. 423 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,799 Speaker 3: It's Lapoflove dot com. But we have a Facebook group 424 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:57,599 where you can go in and we've got both people 425 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,359 like I'm a member of it. We've got people who 426 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,039 have lost pat, We've got veterin areas. We've got our 427 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:04,480 actual peer support people through us that are on that 428 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,279 Facebook group that can help talk. We have Zoom meetings 429 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,160 where you can go in and schedule a zoom meeting 430 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,200 that kind of like a group therapy session or a. 431 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: Group support group. 432 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 3: We also have where you can actually pay for a 433 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,359 session with one of our grief support counselors that's one 434 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,319 on one and these are folks that are especially trained 435 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,240 in both reef support and PAT loss support. I love it, 436 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,240 so they know the intricacies of dealing with you know, 437 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:34,599 the fact that we're talking about a pet, and that 438 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,599 can be very similar but also very different to talking 439 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,599 about a human. So we have we have just so 440 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,440 many recourses available, and like I said, you know, we 441 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,319 think it's so important that we all here the thing, 442 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:48,599 even to people who don't come through us as quote 443 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,440 unquote company. 444 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: So well, I've got to also address the elephant in 445 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,799 the room. I've been on this old Behave show. I've 446 00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:59,799 been hosting shows for a very long time, and after Megan, 447 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,079 this is the first time that my cat, who we're 448 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,200 very connected, is next to me listening to you, purring 449 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:10,000 like a diesel engine. So you can't tell me cats 450 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:14,279 and dogs aren't sentient beings don't have emotional connections with people. 451 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,160 But I'm just telling you from the orange tabbies of 452 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,880 the world, they're saluting you and all that you do. 453 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,680 Doctor Megan, Thank you so much, Casey goes, I'm pretty cool. 454 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,640 I'm like a feline George Clooney, ladies love me and 455 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,519 the dudes do too. Now unfortunately he knows that. So again, 456 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:32,839 how do people find Lap of Love? I know you're 457 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,640 almost in every state, but can you tell steer us? 458 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,960 So the best way is. 459 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 3: Lap of love dot com. La he Is and Paul 460 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,160 of Love. You can go on there. You can type 461 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,319 in your zip code and we will show you what 462 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,319 veterinarians are available in that area. If you're in neater services, 463 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,759 you can give us a call. We have a chat 464 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:55,359 seat you're on our website that you can chat and 465 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,359 also find help. That way if you call us and 466 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,279 we don't have availability, will actually steer you towards other 467 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,480 at homeouvensia companies who might have availability who are in 468 00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:06,200 your area. 469 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:06,799 Speaker 1: I like that. 470 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, it's not just about us, it's about trying 471 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,640 to find what the doctor you're in your pet. So 472 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,799 the website, like I said, it's the best way that 473 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:17,039 can steer you towards a lap of love that in 474 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:17,519 your area. 475 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:19,799 Speaker 1: So before we go, I got to ask you this, 476 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:24,039 what is something? What quality or what have the pets 477 00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:26,599 in your life, like the Simons? How have they made 478 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,720 you a better person? Doctor Maga. 479 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: Oh man, every pet's a little bit different. Everyone's a 480 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,759 little bit different. I think Simon that taught me a 481 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:38,160 lot about perseverance. Just you know, hang in there. There's 482 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,759 always something, there's something to live for, there's something to 483 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:44,559 be joyful about. You know this one that's here in 484 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:46,799 my lap right now, has taught me a lot about 485 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,200 love and empathy as you can sell. 486 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: What is this dog's name? What is your dogs? 487 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 3: This is Koala. This is my heart Wala. She's licking 488 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,480 my face right now. I'm sitting in her chair. Oh 489 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,279 doc you yeah, I know this is her care. 490 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,519 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, here. 491 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:07,319 Speaker 3: But she's taught me a lot about empathy and obviously 492 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,240 unconditional love. So it's you know, my other dog has 493 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,880 taught me a lot about She was a behavior challenge 494 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,640 and she's very different from any dog I've ever owned. 495 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: What is her name? 496 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,839 Speaker 3: Her name's Coco. Her legal name is Coco Poco Bounce 497 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,400 because she's a three legged dog. So she has taught 498 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,079 me a lot about meeting someone where they're at, instead 499 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:32,200 of trying to strong arm towards me and what I want, 500 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,359 trying to meet them where they're at and what they 501 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,440 want and what they need. 502 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:39,039 Speaker 1: So well, I think Koala and Coco, you've got a 503 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,680 couple of good pals that've got your back and you've 504 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,519 got their tail. Right, that's exactly right. Hey, everybody, we've 505 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,000 been speaking with doctor Megan Metar. She is with lap 506 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:51,279 of love and I hope one day to get to 507 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,680 meet you in person, but I do want to salute 508 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,880 you for all that you're doing. This is something that 509 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,680 is beautiful and it can be memorable, and it can 510 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,680 be pay free. So I have three cats and two dogs. 511 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,559 Now I've gone through the process. I've done an at 512 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,440 home and I've done in a veterinary clinic setting, and 513 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:12,319 I do like the at home. So I'm just grateful 514 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,720 that we have options now. 515 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you, and thank you for all 516 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:16,799 that you do too. 517 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:20,519 Speaker 1: I have to thank my producer, Mark Winter. He is 518 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,319 the executive producer of Pet Life Radio. We've been on 519 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,200 the air since seven This is the longest running pet 520 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,519 podcast on the planet. Also, please check out my YouTube. 521 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,359 Just go to Art and More you'll see it. I 522 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,920 got over one point three million views. Thank you, thank you. 523 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,079 Let's keep them going and until next time, this is 524 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,079 your flea free host Arden More, delivering just two words 525 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:45,200 to all you two three and four leggers out there. 526 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: All behave to cost that around the world. It's all 527 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,000 behaved with Art and More. Find out why cats and 528 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,680 dogs do the things they do, and get the latest 529 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,640 buzz from wagging tongues and tails and Rent ten tinsel 530 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,680 Town miss pet experts at best selling authors, good television 531 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,599 and movie stars. 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