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number three of oh t B. I just realized that
it's Tuesday at uh at nine.
Speaker 4: Oh so I got a call Nick. Yeah, I'm on holidays.
Speaker 5: I'm on holiday too.
Speaker 4: It feels like what's our Thursday technic?
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 5: So we're gonna have our gut Nick Underhill, New Orleans.
That football? Did we all forget? Maybe he's nine, always
been nine? Yeah? Saints fifteen Monday.
Speaker 3: All right, the Saints, Saints, Saints. This off season should
be pretty intriguing for the old New Orleans Saints. There's
so many needs. Yeah, there's no you can't win this offseason.
There's no way to win the off season for the Saints.
You can be like, oh, that's a good move, but
will we make a good move?
Speaker 6: I got Nick?
Speaker 5: All right, let's go to the phones.
Speaker 3: Now we've got Nick Underhill, New Orleans Dots Football joining
us to talk.
Speaker 5: New Orleans Saints. Yes, that New Orleans Saints. Nicholas, what's
up brother, that we be doing?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a consumer of the show as well
as a contributor. I'm a little hurt. I'm a little hurt.
Speaker 5: Oh what wow? Forgetting it was Tuesday?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, a little bit, A little bit. I
mean I bet no though, so I guess we're even.
Speaker 7: So yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cold.
Speaker 3: When I say I had literally no idea that today
was Tuesday.
Speaker 5: I mean, like no idea holiday week.
Speaker 3: Look, we're in coaching rumor pergat. I mean, we got
a foot out the door. We don't have to work
on Thursday and Friday. Nick, that's on me. I'll pat
my chest. I'll pat my chest.
Speaker 5: That's on me. Gotta be better, gotta be better. Uh,
there's a lot of got to be better for the Saints.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, I all jokes aside, Like I felt
good about this game. I'm like, I look out, I
know Kirk Thuggans is playing, and that's actually probably better
than Pinnix at this point.
Speaker 5: But you're at home.
Speaker 3: You got some juice from the last game, you got
a bye week, You're going to be ready for this game,
and my, ow my, was I wrong. I thought that
game was going to go completely different than it did.
Speaker 2: Nick, Yeah, I'm with you. I was a little bit
surprised they came out and looked so flat again to
start the game. I mean, there's just stuff here that
I just you know, I think we're starting to reach
one where it just feels like it's probably not going
to get fixed. You know.
Speaker 7: I don't like, I don't like a lot of what
they're doing right now.
Speaker 2: I don't know where I want to start rinting. But
I mean, look, I'm curious. So you guys think about
on this too, Like.
Speaker 7: It's kind of inconceivable to me that you're.
Speaker 2: Trying to find out what you got with your young
quarterback and you line up fifteen times in the red
zone and your rookie quarterback doesn't get a single red
zone passing attempt the whole game. Like, there's a lot
of guys that are great between the twenties, like Jimmy
Garoppolo and Drew Brees basically have the same exact numbers
quarterback rating, completion percent the yearge per attempt, touchdowns, interception
ratio between the twenties, and then you get to the
last twenty and Drew takes off to another stratus here
and Jimmy Groppolo goes to the other direction, Like you.
Speaker 7: Got to find out if you got a Drew or
a Jimmy, Like I don't get it, Like it's just
kind of.
Speaker 2: You need to evaluate this stuff.
Speaker 7: And it just doesn't like some of the stuff they're.
Speaker 2: Doing, just like it as a philosophy doesn't fully add
up to me. Like you're you're getting guys on the
field for development, You're you're cycling in Danny Stutzman, you're
trading RASHIII, you're Grant and Brandon Cooks's release, like all
these things signal, rebuild, develop, evaluation, and then like at
the most important spot, like you're just gripping so tight
to what is he thirty five? A thirty five year
old player that's thirty six year old. I don't know
what he is whatever, whatever it is, he's probably not
gonna be on your team next year, So like let
let him throw the ball down there a couple of times,
like yeah, run it from the walmat, taste them that whatever.
Like that. That's fine, But like I think you got
to cycle in a couple a couple of plates just
to see if he can like perform in these tie
levers to situations.
Speaker 7: And I go so far as to say that this
isn't even.
Speaker 2: Like results space for me, Like I think an incompletion
from Tyler Shuck could potentially carry more value than a
positive play that from Tasom in that area the field,
because he can learn from it and grow. And I
think that's really what it should be about. But it's
just weird that, like all of a sudden, like like
in some areas, like you're pressing so hard, but then
on the other like you're still sticking with the kicker
who's already missed six kicks, he misses two more, and
like over here you're fine with sacrificing points in the
spirit of development, but over here with the quarterback, you aren't.
I don't know, it doesn't It just doesn't make sense
to me as a philosophy.
Speaker 8: To your point, it's the there's two there's conflicting philosophies
in the game. Because in one hand, you're saying, we're
trying to win the game, because I think this Taysom
hillpackage gives us the best best chance of pick up
a first down or score a touchdown. We're not trying
to necessarily do develop somebody who thinking be good. But
on the kicking game, you're like, we're not trying to
win games because we don't care if he misses. We
want to see what we got in the kicker. So
it's completely conflicting ideologies, which is wild to me, Like what,
like where is the disconnect from whatever the powers would be,
the owner of the GM, the head coach, Like why
isn't that making more sense?
Speaker 2: It blows my mind. And that's all I want is
like for everything they're doing to paint one picture, you're
moving one direction signify I.
Speaker 8: Think, I think it would be fine with one way
or the other. If you're trying to win the games, fine,
or if you're trying to get ready for the future
or see what you got, then that's a totally different philosophy,
Like just pick one or the other.
Speaker 6: But they're doing two different things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if that's the case, and like maybe you
shouldn't have granted the release to Brandan Cooks and you
know some of this other stuff where it's just like yeah,
that makes sense, Like, yeah, you probably shouldn't be here,
you probably should be looking for for the future. Brandon
Cooks probably doesn't fit this.
Speaker 7: But and again, like I'm okay with.
Speaker 2: Some of the taste some stuff like you get to
the one, no big deal to me. I don't even
really like, you know, the Taysom runs all I get
in the in the midfield area because like they don't
really do anything to help your your quarterback. Like it's
like me and triple A battle over this all the time,
and he's like, well, it's the same as a handle.
I argue that it isn't because you can't like run
play action off it. You aren't doing any looks off
of that. You aren't doing it's just literally trying to
get yards without shuck and there's no benefit to him
on it. But especially like done in the red zone,
those high leverage areas. And they were kind of doing
the same thing to Rattler, like we were talking about
I can't remember what game it was, but.
Speaker 7: It Taysom came in, he scored a touch on it.
Speaker 2: Like I hated that. Like I hated it because like
the whole time.
Speaker 7: Leading into it, we're like, yeah, we got to find.
Speaker 2: Out what Rattler can do in the red zone, like
something stuff looks good, but he needs to show growth
here and like that's going to be what determined success
or failure for him. And like off the field he
goes and he doesn't have the chance, And it's just
what is this season about? Like is it is it?
Is it wins over everything?
Speaker 7: Or is it the other thing?
Speaker 2: Is everything else you're doing except for that one thing
is painting a different picture. So yeah, just one philosophy.
Speaker 7: And I can get my head around it and then.
Speaker 2: I'll evaluate it through that. But I just don't want
to be com used of what I'm looking at.
Speaker 8: You got to you gotta be careful too, Like if
you're because from a quarterback play all year, Yeah, I
would say Chuck and Spencer are both played very comparable. Right,
It's like everybody like it's not their fault, like either
one of them were saying it's not the quarterback position,
but like, yeah, you get it, you're not winning games.
But like Saints got to be careful, Like if they
think that Shuck could be their guy of getting the
same stigma that Rattler's getting a being what two and
ten or whatever he is of like having a bad
losing record, then all of a sudden Saints fans and
people are like, well, I don't want that.
Speaker 6: I've already seen it. I've already seen what he can do.
Speaker 8: He's only won one game and he's played started eight
or nine times, like the same thing's gonna happen. It's
like it's such an unfair comparison for Chuck and Rattler
because of the way that they're playing, Like you're not
getting a true look at who that they could be one.
Speaker 7: Hundred percent, and like that that's the whole thing. Like
we could be sitting here at the end of the
season and be like, man, I don't know, Like there's
so there's.
Speaker 2: Some blind spots here. I didn't see everything I needed
to see. The h is terrible in the red zone
and look some stuff, but like there was a lot
of throwaways at Louisville, Like there's things that I want
to see down in that area to field, Like I
just don't want to be here January.
Speaker 7: And it's like, well, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, like.
Speaker 7: Do they have the guy or not?
Speaker 2: Like it should be a definitive answer. So every opportunity
you have to, as they say, collect collect information, Like
you need to be collecting that information. So I hope
they do something different, but I don't know, Like this
is just kind of a messod operation the whole year,
and it's I don't know if they're telling us they
don't believe in the quarterback or what, but like it's
it's just a very weird way to go about business,
especially when like it seems like there should be no
pressure on them to win games. Like I can't imagine
they're sitting up there in the front office and like
stepping on his neck right now, I think everybody knows
what it is. So just very very very odd to
me that that one area just seems to be completely
disconnected from the rest of epecture.
Speaker 8: In the NFL. You cannot lean on. Yeah, I don't
trust the quarterback. Look at the Panthers are doing. They
can't trust Bryce Young and they still got five wins
because they at least still put the ball in this say,
and they did it on first down yesterday on the
one yard line in the first drive of the game
for them, and he does an interception. Like they can't
trust that guy, but they still keep doing it, and
what going happens?
Speaker 6: They got at least.
Speaker 8: Have five wins, yes, and Ratler are better players at
Bryce Young.
Speaker 6: Let's let's let's call it what it.
Speaker 2: Is, one hundred percent like the taste some stuff isn't
even working, which makes it even worse. The first play
they ran like just completely I don't like. So you're
gonna you're gonna run taste them out.
Speaker 6: To the right.
Speaker 7: You're gonna have the bon bley on the only route
on the play.
Speaker 2: And if everybody doesn't bite on, Taysom and Davon is
wide open in the in the back corner of the
end zone. The play fails. Like I don't even understand, So.
Speaker 7: Like, let me, let me see shuck, just sit back there.
Speaker 2: And just you know, go through three reasons, see you
can get the ball out or something like. It just
feels it just I don't know, but I just I
can't stay on watching. It drives me crazy, all right.
Speaker 3: So we got to ask you about the the kicker
situation as well. I mean, groupie, just look it is
what it is, not a good NFL kicker.
Speaker 5: He misses yet again.
Speaker 3: And so you try a couple of kickers out justin
Tucker and Cade York and obviously you know both those
names in Louisiana are going to bring headlines for different reasons.
Speaker 5: What's the latest day with the kicking situation?
Speaker 2: Oh god, please Kate York Like it's two and nine, Like,
you don't need to you don't need to introduce anything that. Look,
I think right now the Stints are a very hard
team to like. Their fans, you know, they they they're
You're asking a lot of them, like to ride through
this to show up to cheer.
Speaker 7: It is like the last thing you want to do.
Speaker 2: And look, I know, I.
Speaker 7: Know some people are going to care and some people aren't.
Speaker 2: In their allegations, nothing's with the court like blanket the
whole thing, But like forcing anybody to sit down and
be like, do I feel okay about this guy scoring
points in a two and nine season? Like, it just
doesn't It doesn't make sense. I don't understand even getting
in the vicinity of something that can bring a negative
headline when you're two and nine, if you want to
sell your soul to the devil, if you're the broncos
in you're nine and two and you want to make
a wild time, I think, I guess, But like I
feel like one of the benefits of being a bad team.
Speaker 7: Is there's you don't have to do right of that,
Like you're two and.
Speaker 2: Nine, just stay away from it.
Speaker 7: Sign the twenty four he's thirty six in here, Like
where are you going with this? Like, so you're gonna
sign a guy that.
Speaker 2: Brings negative headlines? I hit seventy three percent of his
kicks last year. Wasn't even you know, a high level
player groupies at sixty nine? I mean sure, justin Tucker,
you can tell me he comes back and doesn't miss
a kick the rest of the year. Great, let him
do it somewhere else. Like I don't understand getting around
this one either, Like it's just like why are you
doing this?
Speaker 7: Like it I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: I was. I was shocked, like just on the level
of I don't know man, like you're gonna do something
like that that feels kind of gross. Just it just
doesn't make sense in this this.
Speaker 7: Setting at all, Like it just even being.
Speaker 2: Taken all emotion out of it, like why like why
are you doing this? He's not twenty four, he's thirty six.
You're two three years away, Like how long do you
expect him to be around? So like what is what
is the value that? And then on Sunday you.
Speaker 7: Have a kicker out there, you're willing to let him
miss two more. We had been talking all year, Why like.
Speaker 2: Why are they letting this guy go with this? All
of a sudden, it's so dire that.
Speaker 7: You're you're willing to sell your soul.
Speaker 2: For a higher quarterback. I don't, man, I just don't.
I don't get it.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm I'm a little bit lost.
Speaker 2: With what they're doing right now.
Speaker 8: So the Saints out of the opportunity to sign the
person who we think they should or the person that
we think they definitely shouldn't, so we're going to So
they're signing justin Tucker is basically what we're saying. They
got to do the right thing or the wrong thing,
so Tucker's gonna be kicking this week.
Speaker 7: I just felt like, like why, Like you created a
circus around a workout too, Like I just don't man, like.
Speaker 2: Like what's happening here?
Speaker 7: I don't like they could have they could have controlled
the flow of information, so it doesn't come out until
till Tuesday.
Speaker 2: When nobody's around and at least it's like quiet, And
I don't get it, Like it just seems very very
shortsighted to me. But yeah, man, I hope they go
with Kaid, Like he's twenty four.
Speaker 7: Even take away everything else you taught.
Speaker 2: Me, and look the Caid's career kicking percentage of seventy
three point three. That's what Tucker was to the decimal
point last year. Just take everything else out of it, thirty.
Speaker 7: Six versut twenty four.
Speaker 2: I'd rather find out, you know, if the twenty four
year old can can get it. He was a fourth
round pike at one point, right, Like, go find out
if he can. Yeah, like, see spend the year evaluating
that and see if.
Speaker 7: That talent and it kind of like, you know, take.
Speaker 2: Some pressure out of the situation, see if you can
figure it out. Like that, that's what the season should
be about. It should be about finding out if young
talent can do what they do. That makes way more sense.
But like it's two puller opposites here, So I don't know,
I hope they go with York.
Speaker 8: Yeah they do, you like traditionally know like how the
Saints operate their their player workouts because I'm just like
every other thing, I'm sure they have people working out
every single week like just to either be on the
list or you know, backup plan for a practice squad
or what. I just remember there's always people working out.
Now this one's a little bit more public because they're
obviously looking for another kicker. But we were kind of
talking about it earlier in the show. If you know,
sometimes it's not all It doesn't always depend on who
wins the workout. So like if a traditional person just saying,
all right, they brought two kickers in to try out
for the team, whoever makes the most kicks in that
one workout gets signed. Do you know if like the
Saints operate in that manner or is it just part
of the evaluation process. They're just going to see physically
how you look, how your you know, the leg angle
is or whatever it is. Or are they just going
out and say, all right, y'all used to get thirty kicks,
whoever makes the US gets signed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it's more of the evaluation
part of it. That they do much shoer workouts than
they used to. Like when Peyton l there used to
be like twelve guys every week, like he was just
constantly looking at him. It's kind of toned down the.
Speaker 7: Last couple of years.
Speaker 2: This year, I think it has been the fewest that
I've seen. They haven't brought in any specialist at all
so far this season. You know, in a in a
in a more regular if.
Speaker 7: It was a different set of names, kid.
Speaker 2: You work in a different thirty six year old kicker,
my thought process would be like, Okay, they're they're They're
probably more interested in Kate and they just want to
see how he holds up against like the pressure of
having somebody else next to him, because it's kind of
been a little bit shaky, and just see where his
confidence is at. That's probably how I would try to
read through that. But this this one feels like, you know,
it's kind of going to bring him in, let them compete.
It kind of feels like it kind of feels like
to me, like the end of the line for Group you. Now,
I do wonder like, if if you know the way
this reaction has been, if if they go back to
GROUPY to avoid the pr pitfall, if or doesn't come
in have a good workout. I don't know, I like it.
What would they actually be willing to sign justin Tucker
after kind of seeing out how things have gone in
the last twenty four hours. It would be fascinating if
if they just said at it and did it, like
I would be kind of surprised by it. But you know,
sometimes they don't care about that stuff, and you know,
I think I think one of my biggest criticisms is that, like,
I think they should sometimes scare a little bit more
about how those things, especially when you are a two
win team, you know. But from a business perspective, like
anything that's alienating people from going into that building and
buying a fifteen dollars beer and whatever the ticket is, like,
I think it's a bad decision because again, they're not
easy to like, and then I don't think they're gonna
be easy to like for a few years, so I like,
I wouldn't be doing things that are like needlessly alienating
and polarizing. But yeah, I mean usually I think they
come in and you know, yeah, it's evaluating, it's gathering
the information. I don't think it's as rigid as like,
you know, gonna play a game of horse and whoever
you know gets the e first is out of here.
But yeah, I don't know this one. This one's unique
to me though, because two very different people, and.
Speaker 7: It just feels like.
Speaker 2: When you bring justin Tucker in it. It feels like
you're kind of already making a decision before you even
look at him, like are you okay with this? Or
you signing off on everything? And if you're doing all that,
like you're it just feels like I don't know, Like
I would assume you're intending to sign that player because
you know it's going to create a headline, and the
headline's going to have damaging effects no matter what you
do after it. So I'm interested to see how it
plays out.
Speaker 5: I guess I just don't get it.
Speaker 3: Like typically kickers don't get a very long leash in
the NFL, certainly not the one that Gruby's been given
in New Orleans, Like and that was ten years ago.
Like you look at today's kickers like there, it's crazy.
They're like automatic from fifty plus now. I mean, you're
just having a different brand of kicker than you've ever
had before in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Like I don't care who it.
Speaker 3: Is, like the guy that you had in on the
international deal during camp, like if you want to bring
him back in, like whoever it might be, Like Nick,
we just don't see kickers get this kind of opportunity
to be bad at their job.
Speaker 5: I don't does he have incriminating photos? There's somebody that
we don't know about.
Speaker 2: Like my third eye was way too open on this one,
but like there's a piece of me. It's like, man,
the punters thinks and the kicker can't make kicks. So
they like low key quietly just sitting back and being
okay with this because it increases their odds to lose
and it's not obvious, and losing right now might be
better because you might get a better draft pick. Like, Okay,
we're gonna lose a field position battle and we're not
gonna get these three points, but we're gonna be able
to watch offense drop down get him it. But like
that obviously isn't the case, because now they're in like
full on panic mode about about the kicker. So I
don't get it, and it look it's not even like
he has a big leg. Like his career long is
fifty seven and like beyond fifty is kind of like
you're praying he makes it. So riding this out for
a guy that it's.
Speaker 7: Like all right, well that you know he can he.
Speaker 2: Can conceivably hit from you know, sixty.
Speaker 7: No, that isn't even the case. So it's just very
it's very confusing how it goes from.
Speaker 2: Like we're totally comfortable with this to we're going to
bring in the against pr Nightmarae Simes, Deshaun Watson to
take a look at him, and he's not even on
the same age trajectory as the rest of our roster.
Very very weird.
Speaker 7: It goes back to what Mat was.
Speaker 2: Saying before, like the philosophy is like they just aren't
They aren't adding up. They aren't adding up right now?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 5: Nick, you the man.
Speaker 3: We appreciate your time as always, Nick Underhill, New Orleans
stuff football, good enough to join us every single week here, Nick,
we appreciate the time.
Speaker 5: Brother.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'll be by the phone next Tuesday, whether you
guys call it or not.
Speaker 3: Hey, we'll do it and we'll be on time. Maybe, Nick,
we appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Oh God, Sae it easy. Happy, all of this all right.
Speaker 5: You as well. Grupy's got the photos. All right, we'll
take a break more OTB when we come back.
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I missed your note inside of our document here, you said,
ask Nick about Brandon Ayu.
Speaker 5: What about it?
Speaker 9: They released odds on Ayuk's next team and the same
suction pretty high. Ooh hich that was a That was
a bad contract extension. The forty nine ers gave him.
They gave him all the moneies and he's not a one.
He never was, but I guess they figured that out.
Speaker 4: So of course the Saints are gonna go. Yes, probably
a worse contract.
Speaker 9: So of course the Saints would be like, you know,
it's better than a one two two's bring them in again.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: They're like, how can we create the worst roster? But
also like how many games can we win with this
terrible roster?
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's gonna be paid a pretty into wherever he goes,
and he hasn't played in like a year.
Speaker 3: Forty nine ers or it's odd because they're good, but
they make some wild decisions in who they draft and
who they sign.
Speaker 9: They're good at late round drafting, they're just not good
at the top. Like look at Juwan Jennings. He looks
like a really good receiver. Yeah, they didn't draft him high. No,
you drafted Brandon Ayukai and he's gonna be out the
door in three years. Same thing with Trey Lance and
Brock Party. They're just the back end of their draft
has saved them.
Speaker 5: They make some wild choices. I'll tell you that they're
good though they're still good. I don't know how.
Speaker 6: M mccork you okay for there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's triggered, that's going through it.
Speaker 6: Uh Hey, JJ McCarthy stinks. He's bad. He's bad.
Speaker 5: Put him away.
Speaker 8: That's a that's a weird, that's all. That's an entirely
weird situation happening over there.
Speaker 9: You know, we talked in the off season, Kevin O'Connell man.
He's like the QB whisper. He makes anybody look good,
turns out o JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, not JJ McCarthy. He looks bad, mechanically bad, decision
making bad. He looks out of place. He needs about
five red shirt years in the NFL. I heard someone
talking yesterday in the media. They said there's there's a
weird situation around JJ McCarthy. So Jim Harbaald coached him
and coached another first round in college named Andrew Luck.
Speaker 5: Two first round guys.
Speaker 8: Well, in college, the offense went through Andrew Luck, right,
he threw the ball all the time, every big situation
and college with JJ McCarthy, he the offense did not
go through JJ McCarthy. They were a run first type
team instead of a past first team. Both first round quarterbacks.
But I don't know Jim Harball knows quarterbacks. Is is
that kind of a pre indictment on JJ McCarthy. Was
he over a drafted as of right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 8: He was having this big like argument in the chat
with everybody right now, like I'm just the Saints be
to like spend a positive note on the Saints. I
think they got two quarterbacks that are pretty good, and
both of these quarterbacks could be a starter in multiple
Like they could be a started for the Vikings right now,
which isn't saying a lot because JJ has been really bad.
They could be a starter for where I think they're
both better than Bryce Young. Yeah in Carolina, but like
I was just telling, like, at least like in Carolina,
they still let him go try to be a professional
quarterback even though he plays the position very poorly. Sometimes
they at least still put the ball in his hand
and they make they're taking the ball out of Chuck's
hands right now in big time positions situations.
Speaker 6: But I just I don't.
Speaker 8: Think you're at a point right now where you take
a first round quarterback. What first round quarterback you take
in this year? If you're gonna do something, maybe you
trade young quarterbacks for a veteran quarterback if you feel
confident in that. Of course, you have to. The roster
cannot be built without solidifying your quarterback. I think you've
seen enough from both your quarterbacks to know that you've
got a pretty good quarterback room.
Speaker 6: Right now.
Speaker 8: Both those guys play well, they've played the exact same
in my opinion. People disagree with me in the chat
about that.
Speaker 4: No, I mean you can just look at the numbers.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're the same guy right now. Like there's only
so much you can do within this offense with the
tools that you've been given. People are saying, well, I
shock so much, so much better. I just feel it, Like,
all right, that's fine, that's great. It's a great reason
your fans. You're allowed to feel it. I got it.
But like, just like looking at it, it's the same position.
They both kind of move well. They both have good
arm strength. Ratler strut with his accuracy a little bit,
Shuck has shown we have plenty. I feel like from
the little bit he's been given to like continue to
see to see what he's got. I solid comment that
was like Ratler had more.
Speaker 6: To work with.
Speaker 4: They're the same team, literally the same team. He has
a few more games under his belt than Tyler Shuck does, obviously,
but their completion percentage is about the same, like Spencer's
is four percent better than Tyler Shucks. They each have
one win, like Spencer has five interceptions, Shuck has three.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I really like what Shuck has done.
Speaker 8: I expect the first game he started and make some
good plays on the run, some off schedule plays, really
really really good.
Speaker 6: I think they've both shown.
Speaker 8: I think the quarterback room is what I'm trying to say,
is pretty pretty darn.
Speaker 4: Healthy right now if you build around it.
Speaker 3: I would disagree your last two games from Schuck have
been better than any two games from Rattler.
Speaker 5: I don't only that's the case.
Speaker 9: His first start was really good, and I understand he
played a good defense. Last week, Chuck had a lot
to be desired. I thought that Chuck build from a
clean pocket a lot last week. I really did like.
I thought he was really good in the pocket Week one,
I thought he kind of took a step back last week.
Speaker 4: Yep, JJ those Carson Wentz injured or what LIKEJJ is injured.
Speaker 5: He has a he got a got a phantom concussion.
Speaker 4: Yes, but he played the last two games or something
or the last game.
Speaker 6: No, well did he play the last k They.
Speaker 8: Know they just came out with a concussion like yesterday,
JJ McCarthy, But they just said they can't pinpoint.
Speaker 5: Are you talking about Carson Wentz just.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I'm asking JJ.
Speaker 3: I think she's asking, like is he her? Is that
why he's not playing right now? Because Jay has been
so bad, that's what they're saying.
Speaker 8: They said they don't know when it happened, but he's
got concussion like symptoms.
Speaker 4: Carson does no JJA. I'm asking if Carson is injured
because why they played him.
Speaker 5: He was a couple of weeks. You know, he got
her national game.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was like it was right before JJ came back,
because remember they were going to continue to roll with
Carson Wentz, but he got hurt, like mid game.
Speaker 6: They were.
Speaker 9: There was rumors that they were Max Brosber came into
the game, Wins came back, then he was unavailable, and
then the timelinees got a matched up. Remember they said
McCarthy was healthy. We're still going to hold him out
this week for precautionary They still rolled with Wins.
Speaker 6: Then he got hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Winz had season ending shoulder injury or shoulder surgery
in October. So yeah, they're stuck with nine.
Speaker 6: Maybe I don't this week he's got a concussion.
Speaker 5: I don't even know.
Speaker 9: They're backup Max Brosmer from Minnesota.
Speaker 8: They should have traded for Raler, right, I think I
think they Saints had a tradable asset at least something, right, Max.
Speaker 9: Who Brosmer from UH Minnesota. He was a late round rookie.
He went in for Wentz the game, Wentz got hurt
and came back in. People liked him at the combine.
I mean, he obviously hasn't played much in the NFL.
But see what he's got.
Speaker 3: We gotta suit he's got he's got.
Speaker 5: I mean he took the guy, you know, I mean you.
Speaker 6: Got to see what he got. Was shocked.
Speaker 8: But like when the you're in the red zone, we
don't need to see what he's got. Let's put Taysom
in in this.
Speaker 9: Case they do have to, which is he's like the
only quarterback they have.
Speaker 6: Now, this is wild behavior over there, and.
Speaker 4: Now I don't know which ways up.
Speaker 3: It's like they don't know if they want to be
really bad or if they want to try to win
or I don't know.
Speaker 4: Hey, when I genuinely think they're trying.
Speaker 6: Hey, let's come back from break and let's look at
this passing charge milissue.
Speaker 5: All right, we'll do it when we come back on OTV.
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Speaker 5: You're making people mad in the chat here again, Bud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I had a lot of Shuck fans in
chat right now.
Speaker 8: He just like imagine at one point Tyler Shuck and
Lane Kiffin teamed up. Don't I don't even dare ask
a question of why. Don't never ask a logical question
about those two. I love Shuck. I think it's a
really good I think it's some somebody built around. I
think Lincoln's is the great coach. You're really happy they
fired up. I'm just not a sheep. I'm always gonna
ask questions. I love the question.
Speaker 6: Why.
Speaker 8: It's my favorite question in the whole world. Well that's
what we were talking by jim Bo. Why you get it
to in the Why have a brain? Can't run the football?
Why ye want to protect quarterback?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you completely pass over the middle.
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's because you don't ever.
Speaker 8: Throw coaches playing given as the greatest coach in America.
Oh okay, why I agree, he's a great coach.
Speaker 3: But why I did Okay, the last thing before we
move on, just because it was a comment. I just
think Chuck is going to be better. And this is
like I think Spencer Rally Chuck are giving you the
same thing, by the way, so this is not like
picking one or the other, but it's just funny.
Speaker 5: I just think Chuck is going to be better. The
ball comes out.
Speaker 3: Quicker, it appears and is on the mark. I just
looked it up the analytics of it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Spencer Rattler is third in the NFL in release time
among quarterbacks with seventy pass attempts.
Speaker 8: There there was some there was some accuracy, a couple
throws here and there at that in big moments. So
I'll give him for sure that Yeah, there's those are
those are plays that accuracy plays that he's got. But
he's also very accurate, especially down the field, like you
had a huge pass arm strength. Yeah, they're both giving
me the same thing right now. They're giving you as
as much as this offense is allowing a quarterback to give.
Speaker 5: That's a great way to put.
Speaker 6: It, you know.
Speaker 8: And I think both those quarterbacks are are starting quarterback
caliber in the NFL.
Speaker 5: I really do.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 8: I think it's that is good news. Like it is
good news. I would think if Saints fans feel that way,
because that means you don't have to invest in that quarterback.
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Speaker 8: All right, Tay, you got my computer, all right, So
if you're watching along with us here, you're just gonna
kind of scroll the internet with me. So we are
on this website that gives you passing charts for everybody.
I got college, I got professionals. So what we want
to do is just want to take a dive into
a little bit more of the analytics behind LSU's offense,
and then we're going to compare it to some of
the best offenses that are playing football today in the
in the NFL.
Speaker 6: Of like, just cut how you attack the field.
Speaker 5: I just want you to take it.
Speaker 8: We're gonna go through multiple different games here, Jake, if
you want to like van a White for me a
little bit. We got a line of scrimmage right here,
and so I when do you see passing chart?
Speaker 6: Can you really see that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: Go back to the other screen. Yeah, all right, So we.
Speaker 8: Got I think we got one, two, three, four, five,
six passes beyond five yards and I'm given a couple
like outside the hash credit as well. Weird situation down
here behind the line of scrimmage. You can see how
many passes are behind the line of scrimmage. So the
fastest way to the end zone is attack in the
middle of the field. We've talked about it so many
behind the line of screen. Now, we've talked about it
all season long about how LSU is not. So this
is this past week versus Western Kentucky. What we're gonna
do right here, We're gonna go back to week twelve
versus Arkansas kind of the same thing. Now, it looks
like there's a lot more in the middle of the field,
but that is at the line of scrimmage. Are behind
so beyond the line of scrimmage, I got one, two, three, four, five.
We have thirty seven attempts, so five to thirty seven
went between the hashes or in the middle of the
field during that game. So let's see, how about we
go to a different week. Let's go to let's go
to week eight. This was against Vanderbilt. Wow, jeez, all right,
So we got one inside the hatch, just beyond the
line of scrimmage. Now we got three inside the hashes
within five yards. But this is the definition of how
to not run an efficient offense. Yeah, will be run
offense that is dynamic. Fastest way to the end zone
is over the middle of the field. So what I
want to do is kind of like I just want
to show you what I mean when I taught when
I when I think of the best offensive mins, I go,
of course to the NFL level. And what I want
to show you is, we're going to take a little
look at a couple of We're gonna take a look
at the Patriots right now. Okay, the Patriots are they
have one of the best offensive coordinators in my opinion.
Speaker 6: Let's go to this past game. Let's see look at
the middle.
Speaker 8: Of the field right here, and so as you can
tell the NFL that the hash marks are more narrow,
so you kind of get to go a little bit
outside of that. Even in the narrow but even in
the narrow hash marks, it's more look at. So this
is the theme for teams. This is I think this
is against the Jets here. So let's go to a
week before. All right, that's both weeks. Just look it's
it's more equally spread throughout the field. It's not past
the numbers, not past not past the hashes. We are
attacking the middle of the field. So let's go to
a different team. What do you think, who's another team
you think of? I always think I think of the
Niners when I think of a good offensive coordinator who
does a lot, I mean for crying out, well, he
took mccorkyl right, made mccorkyl good this year. Let's go
to the Niners. Let's go to like, let's go to
week ten. They play they played the Rams this game.
Middle of the field. Yeah, attack looks at Chris Tack
looks like a Christmas tree. That's exactly right. You want
a passing chart to look like a Christmas tree in
my opinion. Let's go let's go to the week before this.
Let's go to Week nine. This was against the Giants.
Speaker 5: Just attacking.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so these are the best offenses out there, The
best offensive mines. The best offense is that is the
you attack the middle of the field. That is something
LSU has not done this season. So with the coaching change,
with all of that, and we can take it like
what I didn't do. I didn't pull up lane lane Kiffins.
I think I did one and it wasn't actually that
much of a difference. They weren't attacking the middle of
the field. But I didn't look at all the games.
I just that's what I hope for this offense going forward.
If I took the passing chart last year from what
LSU did last year, and it's what a difference that
one year can make, which is wild. The same offensive coordinator,
a lot of the same weapons, same quarterback, Garrett attacked.
That's what Aaron Anderson was so good at. That's why
I said before the season, that's why that's why Aaron
Anderson had over eight hundred yards, was a leader receiver
and did all this because he's really good at that.
He's got high football like Q. He's really good at
attacking the middle, finding the zones, finding the open holes,
knowing where he is in his assignment, in his route combination.
And then you go in to the season with this
offensive philosophy. Is just mind blowing to me. Now something, Yeah, sure,
there are people running over the middle of field. It's
not like everyone's running towards the sideline at all times.
It's just not a part of the DNA of this
offense and the quarterbacks footwork and the read to go
one two three over the middle, one two over the middle.
The receivers aren't running the best routes when it comes
to seam routes and end routes and all these different things.
It's just it's been frustrating to watch. But I wanted
to give you just kind of an overview of what
I look at when I look at good offenses, is
how do they attack that Christmas tree? Look, Yeah, you
want to, you want to see some grain towards the
sideline on deep balls, but you don't see offenses and
good offenses and great quarterbacks taking those shots all the
time because they're fifty to fifty balls. They want in
the They wanted to get the ball in their playmaker's hands.
The short passes, the easy passes. Attack those zones. You
got linebackers moving left to right. You got to moving
up and down. They are windows, there are holes. You
just gotta find them.
Speaker 5: Hopefully they can find them in Norman, Oklahoma. Haven't found them.
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