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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Bedtime Astronomy. Explore the wonders of the cosmos

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<v Speaker 1>with our soothing Bedtime Astronomy podcast. Each episode offers a

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<v Speaker 1>gentle journey through the stars, planets, and beyond, perfect for

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<v Speaker 1>unwinding after a long day. Let's travel through the mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe as you drift off into a peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>slumber under the night sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the show. We are doing something a

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<v Speaker 2>little different today. Usually when we sit down to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the bleeding edge of astrophysics, when we try to

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<v Speaker 2>visualize what it looks like to steady worlds that are

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of light years away, we all have a very specific,

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<v Speaker 2>almost Hollywood style image in our heads.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely, it's the Cape Canaveral aesthetic, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 3>We picture these massive vertical integration buildings, clouds of steam,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the whole countdown clock thing, and millions of

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<v Speaker 3>pounds of thrust just fighting gravity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's loud, it's fast, and it involves billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>of titanium and composites hurling themselves into the vacuum of space.

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<v Speaker 3>It's drama, pure raw power, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have this conditioned bias that space science equals rockets.

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<v Speaker 2>We just assume that to get high quality data, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you need high velocity and extreme altitude.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to escape Earth entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the assumption. But the documentation we're looking at today,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically a fascinating report from Universe Today and fizz dot

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<v Speaker 2>org about a mission called Excite, it completely dismantles that assumption.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does. It's a wonderful reminder that sometimes the

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<v Speaker 3>most sophisticated solution to a really high tech problem isn't

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<v Speaker 3>about going faster or higher, or you know, just using

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<v Speaker 3>more brute forests.

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<v Speaker 2>Look about being smarter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about being smarter with where you put your instruments.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about finding the clever workaround.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Because the vehicle at the center of our conversation

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<v Speaker 2>today isn't a rocket, not at all. It doesn't have thrusters,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have a heat shield. It's a balloon, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Balloon, and it's a balloon that, if everything goes according

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<v Speaker 3>to plan, is going to tell us more about the

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<v Speaker 3>weather on alien planets than perhaps any rocket based telescope

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<v Speaker 3>currently in operation. We are talking about the Excite mission.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's break down that acronym before we get into the physics.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it sounds intense excite.

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<v Speaker 3>It does sound pretty energetic. It stands for the Exoplanet

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<v Speaker 3>Climate Infrared Telescope. Okay, And while the name suggests all

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<v Speaker 3>this high energy and excitement, the actual method of deployment

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<v Speaker 3>is remarkably gentle. It's almost floaty, floaty.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. So the plan is to float a

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<v Speaker 2>telescope to the very edge of the Earth's atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly and just have it sit there to stare uninterrupted

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<v Speaker 3>at a very specific type of alien world.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's establish the scale here. When we say float

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<v Speaker 2>a telescope, I mean, are we talking about something like

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<v Speaker 2>a weather balloon you'd see on the local news or

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<v Speaker 2>is this more like the red bull stratos jump? How

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<v Speaker 2>high are we actually going?

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<v Speaker 3>We are definitely talking stratospheric think, much much bigger than

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<v Speaker 3>a standard weather balloon. The mission profile calls for an

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<v Speaker 3>altitude of forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Kilometers forty kilometers yep, and to put that.

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<v Speaker 3>In imperial units for those of us who think that way,

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<v Speaker 3>that's roughly twenty five miles straight out.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five miles Okay. Can you contextualize that for me?

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm looking out the window of a seven forty

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<v Speaker 2>seven on a transatlantic flight. How far above me is

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<v Speaker 2>this balloon?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So a commercial jet cruises at what between thirty thousand,

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<v Speaker 3>forty thousand feet some like that. Yeah, so that's roughly

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<v Speaker 3>ten to twelve kilometers up. This balloon is going four

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<v Speaker 3>times higher than a.

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<v Speaker 2>Commercial flight, four times higher.

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<v Speaker 3>If you were in that jet looking up, the balloon

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<v Speaker 3>would still be just a tiny dot in the black

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<v Speaker 3>sky above you. It's not in the blue part of

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<v Speaker 3>the sky anymore. It is cruising the upper stratosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>But and this is a really important distinction we need

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<v Speaker 2>to make. It's not technically space. Is it the Carmen line,

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<v Speaker 2>which is sort of the international welcome to space sign,

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<v Speaker 2>that's at one hundred kilometers.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, It is not technically outer space. You are still

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<v Speaker 3>within the influence of Earth's atmosphere thin as it is

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<v Speaker 3>up there. But here's the thing. For the specific scientific

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<v Speaker 3>problem they're trying to solve. Forty kilometers is the magic number.

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<v Speaker 2>The sweet spot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the absolute sweet spot where you get I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>something like ninety nine percent of the benefits of being

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<v Speaker 3>in space, but without the billion dollar price tag of

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<v Speaker 3>a rocket launch.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to really dig into that magic number concept,

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<v Speaker 2>because that really seems to be the lynchpin of this

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<v Speaker 2>whole project's economic and scientific argument. But first, what exactly

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<v Speaker 2>is XITE looking at? You mentioned alien weather.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the target is a very specific, very dramatic class

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<v Speaker 3>of planets known as hot jupiters.

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<v Speaker 2>Hot jupiters. It's a vivid name.

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<v Speaker 3>It implies a lot, it does, and it's quite literal. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>these are gas giants, so planets with the mass and

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<v Speaker 3>composition roughly similar to our own Jupiter. But they are

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<v Speaker 3>not sitting out in the cold suburbs of their solar

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<v Speaker 3>systems like our Jupiter.

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<v Speaker 2>Is right Jupiter's way out there.

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<v Speaker 3>These guys orbit incredibly close to their parent stars.

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<v Speaker 2>How close are we talking? I mean, Mercury is close

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<v Speaker 2>to our Sun is like.

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<v Speaker 3>That, oh much much closer, so close that a year

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<v Speaker 3>one full orbit around their star might only last two

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<v Speaker 3>or three Earth days.

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<v Speaker 2>Two or three days. That is incredibly fast. So they

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<v Speaker 2>are just speed running their orbit.

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<v Speaker 3>They are They're absolutely whipping around their stars. And because

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<v Speaker 3>they are that close, they are just roasting. I can

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<v Speaker 3>engine temperatures on the starfacing side can reach thousands of degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>We are talking about worlds that are essentially glowing with

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<v Speaker 3>their own heat, where the atmosphere is being constantly blasted

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<v Speaker 3>by stellar radiation.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have these massive, scorching, fast moving planets, and

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<v Speaker 2>Excite is designed to map the climate of these these.

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<v Speaker 3>Hellscapes, that's a good word for them, exactly. But to

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<v Speaker 3>do that, you immediately run into a massive obstacle in

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<v Speaker 3>observational astronomy. To see the heat signature of a planet,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to observe in the infrared part of the spectrum. Infrared,

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<v Speaker 3>that's heat radiation right right our eyes see visible light.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you want to see temperature, if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to see the thermal glow of a hot planet against

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<v Speaker 3>the cold darkness of space, you have to look in infrared.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the only.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, Okay, So what's the problem with that.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem is Earth's atmosphere absolutely hates infrared light.

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<v Speaker 2>Hates it in what way it absorbs it.

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<v Speaker 3>Specifically the water vapor in our atmosphere. You can think

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<v Speaker 3>about humidity. Water molecules are incredibly good at absorbing infrared energy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the greenhouse effect basically. So if you put an

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<v Speaker 3>infrared telescope on the ground, even on a super high

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<v Speaker 3>Mountain in Hawaii or the Atacama Desert in Chile, where

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<v Speaker 3>the air is really thin. You are still looking through

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<v Speaker 3>this thick, soupy blanket of water vapor.

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<v Speaker 2>So the signal from the planet just gets lost in

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<v Speaker 2>the noise of our own atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>It's worse than noise, it's a total block edge at

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<v Speaker 3>certain wavelengths. It's like trying to look at the stars

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<v Speaker 3>on a foggy night, or trying to see through steamy window.

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<v Speaker 3>The signal just doesn't get through.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where the balloon comes in.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where the balloon is the hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the forty kilometer figure right.

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<v Speaker 3>Because if you can get a telescope up to forty kilometers,

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<v Speaker 3>you are physically above ninety nine point five percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the art's atmosphere. More importantly, you're above almost all of

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<v Speaker 3>the water vapor.

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<v Speaker 2>So suddenly the fog clears, the steamy window becomes transparent.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, the sky becomes crystal clear in the infrared frequencies

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<v Speaker 3>they need to see for the purpose of this specific

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<v Speaker 3>telescope and this specific science. Forty kilometers is space. The

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<v Speaker 3>photons from that distant planet can travel all that way

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<v Speaker 3>and then hit the detector without bumping into any pesky

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<v Speaker 3>water molecules in our atmosphere at the last second.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fascinatingly simple workaround. You don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>leave Earth's gravity. You just need to get a blood

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<v Speaker 2>the moisture.

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<v Speaker 3>And you save a fortune in fuel and hardware doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>But there is another layer to this strategy, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>a really clever one. It has to do with where

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<v Speaker 3>they are planning on launching it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, you mentioned this for.

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<v Speaker 3>The main long duration mission. They aren't just sending this

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<v Speaker 3>up from Florida or New Mexico. The source material highlights

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<v Speaker 3>a launch plan for Antarctica.

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<v Speaker 2>Antarctica that seems I mean logistically that sounds like a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>Why go to the bottom of the world to look

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<v Speaker 3>It does seem counterintuitive. There are two main reasons, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're both brilliant. First, what are called the seeing conditions.

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<v Speaker 3>Seeing conditions it's an astronomy term for how clear and

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<v Speaker 3>stable the atmosphere is. The air above Antarctica is very,

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<v Speaker 3>very stable. It's incredibly cold, and crucially it's the driest

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<v Speaker 3>place on Earth, so you get even less of that

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<v Speaker 3>residual water vapor so.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the best possible place on Earth to be even

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<v Speaker 3>But the second reason, and this is the real game changer,

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<v Speaker 3>This brings us to a concept they call loitering. Think

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<v Speaker 3>about it. If you launch a satellite into low Earth orbit,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Hubble Space Telescope or the International Space Station,

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<v Speaker 3>it is moving fast, unbelievably fast. We're taking seventeen thousand

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<v Speaker 3>miles per hour something like that. It orbits the entire

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<v Speaker 2>So from the satellite's perspective, the sun rises and sets

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<v Speaker 3>And more importantly, from its perspective, the Earth gets in

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<v Speaker 3>the way for roughly half of that orbit, about forty

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<v Speaker 3>the stars you want to see.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in Earth's shadow.

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<v Speaker 3>You're in the shadow. You can't stare at anything for

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<v Speaker 3>very long. It's a constant cycle of observation than blockage.

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<v Speaker 3>It's constantly blinking sun shadow, sun shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see how that would be a huge problem

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<v Speaker 2>if you're trying to, say, film a movie of a

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<v Speaker 2>footage every forty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, you'd lose all continuity. It would be a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>But a balloon over Antarctica during the Antarctic summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, the twenty four hour daylight, you got it.

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<v Speaker 3>The sun never sets because of the Earth's axial tilt.

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<v Speaker 3>It just circles the horizon.

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<v Speaker 2>So you never have to worry about the Earth getting

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<v Speaker 3>Way, not if you're looking outwards. If you point your

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<v Speaker 3>telescope away from the Sun, the stars are always accessible

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four to seven. And because of the polar vortex wines,

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<v Speaker 3>these stable circular win that just go around and around

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<v Speaker 3>the continent, the balloon just gently circles the pole.

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<v Speaker 2>It loiters, it loiters, and that lets it stare at

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<v Speaker 2>a single target, one of these hot jupiters continuously for

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<v Speaker 2>just a pure, uninterrupted stream of data.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the whole ballgame.

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<v Speaker 2>And that continuous stream is what allows them to get

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<v Speaker 2>to spend some time here because the report makes it

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<v Speaker 2>clear this isn't a side project. This is the core

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is the holy grail for this kind of science.

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<v Speaker 3>It's what you can do with that loitering capability.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's untack this. We usually hear about transits

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<v Speaker 2>in exoplanet news. That's how we find most of these planets. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The planet goes in front of the star, the light

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<v Speaker 2>from the star dips a tiny bit, and we say,

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<v Speaker 3>Correct. That is the transit method. It's fundamentally looking at

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<v Speaker 3>a shadow, a silhouette. It's incredibly powerful. It tells you

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<v Speaker 3>of its atmosphere as the starlight.

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<v Speaker 2>Filters through the edges. That's a keyword, a very keyword.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you also have what's called the secondary.

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<v Speaker 2>Eclipse, which is the opposite, the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when the planet goes behind the star from our

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it disappears, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Disappears completely, and just before it vanishes. We're seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>So you subtract the star only light from the star

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<v Speaker 2>plus planet light.

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<v Speaker 3>And the difference is the light from the planet's day side.

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<v Speaker 3>That tells us how bright it is, how hot it

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<v Speaker 3>those methods, transits and secondary eclipses, they're just shots. They

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<v Speaker 2>You see the front when it passes by, or you

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<v Speaker 3>It's like trying to understand a marathon runner. By taking

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<v Speaker 2>You miss the entire race.

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<v Speaker 3>You miss the whole race. You don't know how they

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know if they struggled at mile twenty. Phase

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<v Speaker 3>curves are the video of the entire race.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of just watching the planet cross the starter

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<v Speaker 2>finish line, Excite watches the whole orbit.

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<v Speaker 3>It watches the planet go all the way around for days.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is where the physics of hot Jupiter's gets

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<v Speaker 3>really really cool. Because these planets are so close to

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<v Speaker 3>their stars, they are subject to these massive gravitational forces

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<v Speaker 3>that lead to a phenomenon called tidal locking.

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<v Speaker 2>We see this with our own moon, right, Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>always see the same face the Moon.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly the same principle. The immense gravity of the star

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<v Speaker 2>So one side faces the star.

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<v Speaker 3>Forever eternal noon, and the other side faces deep space

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<v Speaker 3>forever eternal midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds incredibly extreme. One side must be boiling and

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<v Speaker 2>the other must be what near absolute zero.

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<v Speaker 3>In theory, yes, if there were no atmosphere, the day

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<v Speaker 3>side would be molten rock and metal, and the night

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<v Speaker 3>side would be unimaginably cold. But here is the mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>These planets do have atmospheres, and atmospheres move heat around

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<v Speaker 3>massive supersonic winds. So as we watch this tidally locked

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<v Speaker 3>planet orbit its star from our vantage point here on Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>we see different amounts of its day and night sides.

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<v Speaker 3>We see different phases, just like the phases of our moon.

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<v Speaker 2>So we see the full night side, then a crescent

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<v Speaker 2>of the day side appears, then.

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<v Speaker 3>It gets bigger. We see half in half. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>terminator line, the sunrise sunset line. Then we see the

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<v Speaker 3>full day side, and then it wins back to a

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<v Speaker 3>crescent and finally back to the night side again.

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<v Speaker 2>And by measuring the infrared light the heat during all

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<v Speaker 2>of those different phases, we can build a map.

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<v Speaker 3>We are building a three temperature map of the entire world.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not just getting one number for the day side

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<v Speaker 3>and one for the night side. We can see the gradient.

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<v Speaker 3>We can see how effectively the winds are dragging that

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<v Speaker 3>immense heat from the day side around the night side.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the night side is surprisingly warm, it means

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<v Speaker 2>the winds are really efficient at circulating heat exactly. And

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<v Speaker 2>if the night side is freezing cold, it means the

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<v Speaker 2>winds aren't doing their job, or the atmosphere is too

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<v Speaker 2>thin to hold the heat.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, we are literally measuring the efficiency of the planetary

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<v Speaker 3>heat engine, and we can get even more granular than that.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the really wild part. On many of these

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<v Speaker 3>hot jupiters we've studied, we find that the hottest point

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<v Speaker 3>on the planet isn't where you'd expect it to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, how is that possible? If I stand directly under

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<v Speaker 2>a heat lamp, the hottest pot is right on top

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<v Speaker 2>of my head. That's just basic physics.

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<v Speaker 3>It is unless there is a five thousand mile per

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<v Speaker 3>strong enough, it physically pushes the heated mass of air,

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<v Speaker 3>It advects the heat. It shifts the hot spot away

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<v Speaker 3>from the point directly under the star, usually to the

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<v Speaker 2>So the hottest part of the day isn't noon, it's

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<v Speaker 2>more like three PM.

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<v Speaker 3>A very extreme version of that. Yes, And by measuring

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<v Speaker 3>exactly where that hot spot is located using the continuous

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<v Speaker 3>phase curve, excite can actually calculate the wind speeds and

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<v Speaker 3>infer the atmospheric pressure on an alien world.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just incredible. We are effectively doing meteorology calculating

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<v Speaker 2>wind speeds on a planet that's hundreds of light years

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<v Speaker 2>away using a telescope hanging from a balloon floating over Antarctica.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a huge leap forward. It moves us from what

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<v Speaker 3>some astronomers call stamp collecting, just finding planets and cataloging them,

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<v Speaker 3>to characterization, which is actually understanding them as complex, dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>Now I have to play Devil's advocate here for a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>because whenever we talk about space telescopes, there is a giant,

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<v Speaker 2>ten billion dollar elephant in the room. We have the

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<v Speaker 2>James Webb Space Telescope JWST. It is the most powerful,

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<v Speaker 2>most expensive, most advanced observatory humanity has ever built. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an infrared telescope. Why on Earth do we need a

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<v Speaker 2>balloon if we have WEB.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a great question, and it's one that the scientific

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<v Speaker 3>community asks itself all the time. You would absolutely think

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<v Speaker 3>the ten billion dollar telescope would win every single time,

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<v Speaker 3>But ironically WEB actually suffers from being too good for

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<v Speaker 3>this specific job.

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<v Speaker 2>Too good. How can a telescope be too good? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand that it's too sensitive.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to remember what WEB was originally built for.

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<v Speaker 3>Its primary design mission was to see the cosmic dawn.

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<v Speaker 2>The very first stars and galaxies.

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<v Speaker 3>The first galaxies born after the Big Bang. We're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about objects that are incredibly far away, incredibly red shifted,

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<v Speaker 3>and unbelievably faint.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's designed to see a single candle on the Moon.

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<v Speaker 3>It's designed to see something even fainter than that. So

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<v Speaker 3>what happens when you take that exquisite instrument and you

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<v Speaker 3>point it at a relatively bright star in our local

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<v Speaker 3>galactic neighborhood. It's over It's completely overwhelmed. It's like using

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<v Speaker 3>military grade night vision goggles to stare directly at a

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<v Speaker 3>football stadium's floodlights.

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<v Speaker 2>You just see white. You get no information exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The sensors saturate, the pixels on the detector fill up

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<v Speaker 3>with electrons faster than the electronics can read them out.

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<v Speaker 3>You just lose the data. Astronomers call it blowing out

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<v Speaker 3>the image.

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<v Speaker 2>So the data is totally useless.

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<v Speaker 3>In many cases for the brightest targets. Yes, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is especially true for the specific instrument mode on Web

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<v Speaker 3>it's called prism that is actually the best tool for

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of continuous atmospheric study. Many of the stars

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<v Speaker 3>that host these interesting hot jupiters are relatively bright nearby

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<v Speaker 3>stars in our galaxy. Web literally cannot look at them

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<v Speaker 3>in this mode without getting blinded.

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<v Speaker 2>So Excite is filling a really specific niche. It designed

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<v Speaker 2>to be less sensitive, which paradoxically allows it to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the bright stuff that Web can.

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<v Speaker 3>It has a higher dynamic range, that's the technical term.

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<v Speaker 3>It can handle the glare. And then, of course there

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<v Speaker 3>is the time and cost factor, which we just cannot ignore.

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<v Speaker 3>Web's observing time is arguably the most valuable single resource

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<v Speaker 3>in all of astronomy.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine the line to use. It must be

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<v Speaker 3>The proposal acceptance rate is tiny, something like one in ten,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe even less. So to go to the time Allocation

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<v Speaker 3>Committee and ask for five continuous days of Web time

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<v Speaker 3>to just stare at one.

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<v Speaker 2>Planet, that's a very hard cell.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an almost impossible cell, because in those five days,

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<v Speaker 3>Web could have looked at one hundred distant galaxies, or

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<v Speaker 3>analyzed the light from ten different supernovae, or mapped a

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<v Speaker 3>star forming region. There's an opportunity cost, a massive opportunity cost.

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<v Speaker 3>Excite is a specialist, it's a dedicated mission. It can

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<v Speaker 3>afford to just sit there and stare at one target

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<v Speaker 3>for a week or more because it isn't competing with

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense for Web, but what about Hubble.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been up there for decades. It's certainly less sensitive

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<v Speaker 2>than Web. Can it do this kind of work.

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<v Speaker 3>Hubble has done some of this work, and it's been groundbreaking,

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<v Speaker 3>but it runs smack into the orbit problem we mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in low Earth orbit.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the blinking issue in and out of shadow every

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<v Speaker 2>ninety minutes exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But there is a secondary, much more subtle issue that

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<v Speaker 3>comes with that shadow. Temperature swings. The telescope gets cold,

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<v Speaker 3>it gets cold, and then it gets hot again, over

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<v Speaker 3>and over. When Hubble dips into Earth's shadow, it cools

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<v Speaker 3>down significantly. When it pops back out into the direct,

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<v Speaker 3>unfiltered sunlight of space, it heats up very.

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<v Speaker 2>Quickly, and that causes the structure to expand and contract.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thermal expansion and contraction. We all learn about it

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<v Speaker 3>in high school physics with railroad tracks, sure, But in

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<v Speaker 3>a telescope that's trying to measure infinitesimal changes in light,

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<v Speaker 3>even a microscopic amount of expansion or contraction is a

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<v Speaker 3>potential disaster. The whole structure sort of breathe.

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<v Speaker 2>Breathing that sounds very ominous for a precision machine.

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<v Speaker 3>It creates noise and jitter in the data. The focus

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<v Speaker 3>changes slightly, the align of the mirror's drifts every time

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<v Speaker 3>Hubble comes out of the Earth's shadow. The scientists have

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<v Speaker 3>to basically discard the first chunk of data from that

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<v Speaker 3>orbit while the telescope settles and stops shivering from the

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<v Speaker 2>So you get these unavoidable gaps in the data. Even

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<v Speaker 2>when you're not behind the Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>You get gaps, and you get wobbles. It makes it

431
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<v Speaker 3>incredibly difficult to stitch together a perfectly smooth, continuous phase curve. Excite,

432
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<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, floating in the eternal, gentle sunshine

433
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<v Speaker 3>of the Antarctic summer, stays at a much much more

434
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<v Speaker 3>stable temperature. It doesn't shiver.

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<v Speaker 2>It all sounds like the perfect solution on paper, a

436
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<v Speaker 2>stable platform above the water vapor, relatively low cost, with

437
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<v Speaker 2>specialized sensors for the job. But paper is not reality,

438
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<v Speaker 2>and the report does mention they actually took this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing for a test drive. Recently.

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<v Speaker 3>They did, and this is where the strike gets really

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<v Speaker 3>interesting from an engineering perspective. In August of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 3>they launched a test version from Fort Sumner, New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, not Antarctica yet, no absolute not.

444
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<v Speaker 3>You don't go to the most logistically challenging and hostile

445
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<v Speaker 3>continent on Earth for your first try.

446
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<v Speaker 2>That would be brave or foolish.

447
00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:10.759
<v Speaker 3>You do a shakedown cruise somewhere accessible. If something falls

448
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<v Speaker 3>off in the New Mexico desert, you can drive a

449
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<v Speaker 3>truck out and pick it up. If it falls off

450
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<v Speaker 3>on the Antarctic ice sheet, it's gone forever.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Right, good point.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was a short flight, relatively short, yes, about

453
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<v Speaker 3>ten hours. The goal wasn't to do science. It was

454
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<v Speaker 3>just to prove that the core systems work in that environment.

455
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<v Speaker 2>And how did it go? Did it, you know, work?

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<v Speaker 3>There was a classic engineering story, a mix. There were

457
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<v Speaker 3>some absolutely spectacular successes and some really frustrating but ultimately

458
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<v Speaker 3>very illuminating failures.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's start with the winds. What went right?

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<v Speaker 3>The biggest win by far was stability. You have to remember,

461
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<v Speaker 3>this telescope isn't bolted to bedrock. It's a heavy instrument package.

462
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<v Speaker 3>The gondola hanging from a giant balloon on a long.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Cable, so it twists its ways.

464
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<v Speaker 3>It bobs in the stratospheric winds. It's a pendulum, a giant,

465
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<v Speaker 3>multi ton pendulum. And yet the planing system, the gondola

466
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<v Speaker 3>itself achieved what they call sub arcsecond precision pointing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, break that down for me. What is an arcsecond

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<v Speaker 2>in real terms?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so imagine a circle is three hundred and sixty degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>Each degree is split into sixty arc minutes. Each arc

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<v Speaker 3>minute is split into sixty arcseconds. So an arcsecond is

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<v Speaker 3>one three thousand, six hundredth of a single degree.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a tiny, tiny sliver of the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredibly small. It's like the width of a human

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<v Speaker 3>hair seen from about sixty feet away.

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<v Speaker 2>And they kept the telescope pointed that steady.

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<v Speaker 3>They kept it steady within that tiny sliver while dangling

478
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<v Speaker 3>from a balloon twenty five miles up in the air.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the equivalent of standing in one city and holding

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<v Speaker 3>a laser pointer perfectly steady on a specific dime in

481
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<v Speaker 3>another city miles.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Away, while you're hanging from a rope.

483
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<v Speaker 3>While you're hanging from a rope. It proved that the

484
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<v Speaker 3>stabilization technology, the reaction wheels, the star trekers, the control software,

485
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<v Speaker 3>it all works flawlessly. That is a massive engineering hurdle

486
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<v Speaker 3>to clear.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a huge way. What else worked.

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<v Speaker 3>The cryogenics, the cooling system for the infrared detectors worked perfectly,

489
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<v Speaker 3>and that's essential because remember, infrared is heat. The detector

490
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<v Speaker 3>itself must be kept incredibly cold or its own sheet

491
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<v Speaker 3>will blind it. So two huge successes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's the good news. Now for the growing pains.

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<v Speaker 2>The report mentioned some failures, and I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>into the details here because usually, you know, these press

495
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<v Speaker 2>releases just say successful test. They rarely get into the

496
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<v Speaker 2>nitty gritty of what actually broke.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what's so great about this report. They were

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<v Speaker 3>very open about the failures, which is how science moves forward. First,

499
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<v Speaker 3>a simple one, the GPS went down.

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<v Speaker 2>Even NASA has GPS issues. Yeah, that makes me feel

501
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<v Speaker 2>so much better about my phone's mapping app failing in

502
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<v Speaker 2>the middle of a city.

503
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<v Speaker 3>It happens. High altitude GPS can be tricky, but that

504
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<v Speaker 3>was a minor glitch. The more fascinating failure, and the

505
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<v Speaker 3>one that really teaches us about material science and extreme environments,

506
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<v Speaker 3>was the aluminum housing for the telescope s bearings.

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<v Speaker 2>Ok what happened there?

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<v Speaker 3>So the telescope needs to be able to tilt up

509
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<v Speaker 3>and down. It's called changing its elevation. It has to

510
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<v Speaker 3>do that to track the stars as they move across

511
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<v Speaker 3>the sky. The bearings that allow the smooth tilting motion.

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<v Speaker 3>The joints effectively were housed inside a casing made of aluminum.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, aluminum seems pretty standard for aerospace stuff. It's light, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong, it is it's a great material for a lot

515
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<v Speaker 3>of things. But at forty kilometers up, the ambient temperature

516
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<v Speaker 3>is brutal. We're talking around medic of sixty degrees celsia's

517
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<v Speaker 3>maybe even lower. It's a deep freeze.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Colder than an Antarctic winter on the ground.

519
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<v Speaker 3>Much colder. And when metal gets that cold, it shrinks.

520
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<v Speaker 3>It's called thermal contraction. But here is the crucial catch.

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<v Speaker 3>Different metals shrink at different rates. That property is called

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<v Speaker 3>the coefficient of thermal expansion.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I see where this is going.

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<v Speaker 3>The aluminum housing shrank more and shrank faster than the

525
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<v Speaker 3>steel bearings that were housed inside it. It crushed them,

526
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<v Speaker 3>not crushed, but it clamped down on them. It's called

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<v Speaker 3>a pferential contraction. The housing, which should be a loose

528
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<v Speaker 3>sleeve for the bearings, effectively became a powerful vice.

529
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<v Speaker 2>It squeezed them so tight they couldn't move.

530
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<v Speaker 3>It froze the mechanism solid. The telescope got stuck looking

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<v Speaker 3>at one spot in the sky. It couldn't tilt, it

532
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<v Speaker 3>couldn't track anything. The science part of the mission was

533
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<v Speaker 3>a total failure because of this.

534
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<v Speaker 2>That sounds absolutely catastrophic. You launched this incredibly complex mission

535
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<v Speaker 2>and a simple shrinking piece of metal ruins the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>On a real science mission, Yes, it would be a

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<v Speaker 3>complete disaster if that had happened on the first day

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<v Speaker 3>over Antarctica. The mission is over. You have a very expensive,

539
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<v Speaker 3>frozen telescope staring at nothing useful for weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was the test flight exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why we test. To an engineer, this failure

542
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<v Speaker 3>isn't a disaster, it's a gift. It's a piece of

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<v Speaker 3>priceless data. How so, because now they know they have

544
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<v Speaker 3>the data. If they had skipped this test and gone

545
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<v Speaker 3>straight to Antarctica, they would have lost the entire season

546
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<v Speaker 3>millions of dollars. Now they know, Okay, the tolerance on

547
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<v Speaker 3>that aluminum housing was wrong for these temperatures, the materials

548
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<v Speaker 3>are incompatible. They can go back to the lap and

549
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<v Speaker 3>fix it. And fix it. They can swap the aluminum

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<v Speaker 3>for a material with a lower thermal coefficient that shrinks

551
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<v Speaker 3>less like titanium or a special alloy called invar or.

552
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<v Speaker 3>They can simply redesign the housing with a slightly larger

553
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<v Speaker 3>gap to account for the shrinkage they now know will happen.

554
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<v Speaker 2>So it's a cheap lesson learned in the New Mexico

555
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<v Speaker 2>Desert that saves a very expensive, very important mission in Antarctica.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, the report says, the engineers are already hard at

557
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<v Speaker 3>work fixing those thermal contraction issues. It's a completely solvable problem,

558
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<v Speaker 3>but you only find it by actually going there and

559
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<v Speaker 3>trying it.

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<v Speaker 2>So looking forward, we've done the test flight, we've found

561
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<v Speaker 2>the bugs, we've under a lesson about shrinking aluminum. When

562
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<v Speaker 2>is the main event? When does this thing fly for real?

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<v Speaker 3>The target, the big show is the Antarctic summer of

564
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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>That's coming up pretty fast in the world of space missions.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. Yeah, they are going to take the full

567
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<v Speaker 3>flight ready excite apparatus down to the ice. And this

568
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:06.559
<v Speaker 3>time they aren't aiming for a ten hour joy ride.

569
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<v Speaker 3>They are aiming for a proper long duration balloon flight.

570
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<v Speaker 2>How long is long in this context.

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<v Speaker 3>It can be weeks. The record for these kinds of

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<v Speaker 3>scientific balloons is over fifty days. They'll be drifting in

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<v Speaker 3>that polar vortex circling the south pole, just soaking up

574
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<v Speaker 3>that continuous uninterrupted starlight.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it works, if the bearings don't seize up

576
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<v Speaker 2>this time, what is the potential scientific payoff here?

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<v Speaker 3>It's huge. The scientists on the project estimate that the

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<v Speaker 3>single balloon flight one mission could double the total number

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<v Speaker 3>of exoplanet phase curves known to humanity.

580
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<v Speaker 2>Double with one flight double.

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<v Speaker 3>Just think about that. Think about all the billions of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars we've spent on all the space telescope so far,

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<v Speaker 3>all the decades of Hubble, the Spixer space telescope, Kepler,

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<v Speaker 3>now Web one balloon ride over Antarctica could equal the

585
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<v Speaker 3>total historical output for this very specific, very important type

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<v Speaker 3>of data.

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00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.519
<v Speaker 2>That really puts into perspective how data starved we are

588
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to really characterizing these atmospheres.

589
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 3>We are so data starved. We have a good sensus

590
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<v Speaker 3>of planets now thanks to missions like Kepler and tests.

591
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<v Speaker 3>We know they're out there in their thousands, but we

592
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<v Speaker 3>don't know what they're like. We are just now moving

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<v Speaker 3>from the era of pure discovery to the era of characterization.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the difference between knowing your neighbor exists because you

595
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<v Speaker 2>see their car in the driveway and actually knowing what

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<v Speaker 2>they cook for dinner or what music they listen to.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect analogy, and xcite is the tool that

598
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.680
<v Speaker 3>kicks that door wide open for these hot jupiters.

599
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>It really feels like a shift in mindset. Then we

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<v Speaker 2>aren't just looking for little dips in light anymore, for dots.

601
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<v Speaker 2>We're looking for weather patterns. We are looking for wind, and.

602
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<v Speaker 3>We're proving that you don't always need a flagship, multi

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<v Speaker 3>billion dollar spacecraft to do flagship quality science. Sometimes you

604
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 3>just need a really big balloon, a clever location, and

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<v Speaker 3>some very careful engineering.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a perfect place to wrap this up.

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<v Speaker 2>We've gone from the common misconception that space requires rockets

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<v Speaker 2>all the way down to the physics of infrared light

609
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<v Speaker 2>and the mechanics of a freezing aluminum bearing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been quite a journey from forty kilometers up down

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<v Speaker 3>to the micrometer level of a bearing contracting.

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<v Speaker 2>It really has. And I want to leave our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>with one final thought that really stood out to me

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<v Speaker 2>from all this. We usually draw a very hard line

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<v Speaker 2>between atmospheric science studding Earth's weather and climate, and astronomy

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<v Speaker 2>studying space.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, they're totally separate disciplines. One looks down, one looks up.

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<v Speaker 3>They are different departments at the university, they go to

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<v Speaker 3>different conferences exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But Excite just completely blurs that line. We're using the

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<v Speaker 2>unique properties of our own upper atmosphere. It's coldness, it's dryness,

622
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<v Speaker 2>it's stable polar winds as a tool to understand the

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<v Speaker 2>atmosphere of a world that is hundreds of light years away.

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<v Speaker 3>We're standing on the roof of our own atmosphere to

625
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<v Speaker 3>peek into theirs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a beautiful way to put it. It shows that

627
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.799
<v Speaker 2>our planet isn't just a barrier to look through. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an integral part of the observatory itself. It's a tool

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<v Speaker 2>that we can use.

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<v Speaker 3>Our atmosphere becomes part of the solution, not just part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the problem. So keep an eye on the news.

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<v Speaker 2>In late twenty twenty six, if you hear about a

633
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<v Speaker 2>giant balloon launching from Antarctica, you'll know that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just checking the weather here. It's checking the forecast for

635
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<v Speaker 2>a hot.

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<v Speaker 3>Jupiter let's just hope they got the math right on

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<v Speaker 3>that aluminum this.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, fingers crossed. Thanks for listening everyone, We'll catch you

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<v Speaker 2>next time. Past the Sad

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<v Speaker 3>Sad stea
