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Speaker 1: Ay thirty if aty five KRCD Talk station. Always look
Speaker 1: forward to the time of the week because we get
Speaker 1: to talk to Daniel Davis doing the Daniel Davis Deep
Speaker 1: Dive with retired Lieutenant colonel of course, Daniel Davis, Welcome back,
Speaker 1: my friend. It's always a pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 3: Always good to see you, Brian, good morning. Always had
Speaker 3: a conversation. Though global conflict is the subject matter we
Speaker 3: go over with Daniel Davis every week, and as we
Speaker 3: have been for quite a few months. Now, let's start
Speaker 3: with We're going to move over to talk about Israel
Speaker 3: and Gaza, but let's start with Russia.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. My perception of the news of
Speaker 1: late is that Vladi Putin's really just not interested in
Speaker 1: settling this thing and he's just going to continue to
Speaker 1: wage war and take over more and more of Ukraine.
Speaker 1: If I got that just sort of summed up well enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not a change. Though the Russians have been saying,
Speaker 3: especially since Trump was inaugurated, that they're willing to make
Speaker 3: a deal, but the terms are very draconian, very hard,
Speaker 3: and they have said unambiguously in the open, not in
Speaker 3: back diplomatic channels that either they'll get this on they'll
Speaker 3: achieve their security objectives on the negotiating table or on
Speaker 3: the battlefield. I actually had the deputy Russian UN ambassador
Speaker 3: on my show last week and I point blank ask
Speaker 3: him that, I said, if you don't get it, will
Speaker 3: you keep fighting? And he almost dismissed and said, well,
Speaker 3: we've never said anything besides that, So yes, that's the case.
Speaker 3: And now then we see it playing out on the
Speaker 3: battlefield and Russia, from what I can observe along the
Speaker 3: entire front line, Russia is making preparations now as though
Speaker 3: there won't be any negotiated settlement and they'll continue on forward.
Speaker 3: And the moves are not good from the Ukraine side,
Speaker 3: and don't pretend well, which should signal that they need
Speaker 3: to finally just suck down their pride and make a
Speaker 3: negotiated deal on bad terms, because right now it's either
Speaker 3: bad terms or no terms at all, and except for
Speaker 3: terms of surrender.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my perception of the events going on. And
Speaker 1: didn't I read the other day that Ukraine launched into
Speaker 1: Russian territory a strike and is my recollection that wrong?
Speaker 1: That they're still firing off drones or whatever into Russian territory.
Speaker 3: Brian that was last not again, Okay, I did consecutive notes.
Speaker 3: They have fired into into Moscow in attempt to disrupt
Speaker 3: putens may not celebration. Zelensky has openly said, I can't
Speaker 3: guarantee anybody's safety who's attending that parade, So it's continuing
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, zero military benefit, none, that's I don't even think
Speaker 1: that can have a psychological benefit other than to rile
Speaker 1: the Russians up even further, to want to run the
Speaker 1: Ukrainians out of the out of existence. That just and
Speaker 1: it has no military benefit to the Ukrainians. If they've
Speaker 1: got any missiles left, shouldn't they be lobbing them at
Speaker 1: the Russian front?
Speaker 3: Listen, I just got to tell you there is an
Speaker 3: opening in the White House for National Security advisor and
Speaker 3: you should apply. So you've got it spot on. That
Speaker 3: is exactly right. There's no military value, not even especially
Speaker 3: not tactical. But only thing that can if they succeed
Speaker 3: at this, especially if they do anything to disrupt the
Speaker 3: actual ceremony itself on the not is to enrage the
Speaker 3: questions and make them drive even harder. So yes, you're
Speaker 3: spot on.
Speaker 1: I you know, terrorist attacks is one of the reasons
Speaker 1: we end up in the Middle East for a decade plus, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you enrage a society of people, they are
Speaker 1: going to stand up and rise up and go after you.
Speaker 1: So again, I don't understand what the hell's going on
Speaker 1: in Zelensky's mind, but then again, I don't know that
Speaker 1: anybody does. So if it's gonna settle, it's gonna resolve,
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be Ukraine putting its you know,
Speaker 1: have to suck it up, give up some territory in
Speaker 1: order to get some peace and end the slaughter of
Speaker 1: their civilians, because there's no way they can win this war.
Speaker 1: I think we've ended up at this place previously. Daiel
Speaker 1: this right, I hate to laugh about it.
Speaker 3: There's there's no rational way to end in a different place.
Speaker 3: But as you said, Zelensky resumed today he was he
Speaker 3: was in the Czech Republic today signing some documents and
Speaker 3: still saying I was watching the press conference just before
Speaker 3: we came on the air here and and he's talking
Speaker 3: likely that it's still a decision that could go either way,
Speaker 3: and we just need few more artillery shells and thanks
Speaker 3: for this support here and all this no possibility, no
Speaker 3: hint that he's going to do anything differently, Okay, and.
Speaker 1: Real quick before we pivot over to Israel and Kaza.
Speaker 1: This minerals deal that we signed with Ukraine, that sounds
Speaker 1: to me like it's going to establish an American footprint
Speaker 1: by way of putting American business interest in there in
Speaker 1: order to do extraction work, which provides a mechanism for
Speaker 1: us to have to stand up and defend American interest
Speaker 1: in a foreign country. I don't know if that's a
Speaker 1: positive development, Daniel Davis, your thoughts, Well, that.
Speaker 3: First of all implies that some company is going to
Speaker 3: be willing to put their people in harm's way. It's
Speaker 3: also assumes that there's gonna be a Ukraine controlled area
Speaker 3: to do these minerals distraction, and it implies that there's
Speaker 3: gonna be billions of dollars and that's a bee or
Speaker 3: at least hundreds of millions in infrastructure development, and that
Speaker 3: will take multiple years. So this is something that's kind
Speaker 3: of a head scratcher to me because it has no
Speaker 3: near term impact one way or the other.
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, pivoting over to Gaza, a couple
Speaker 1: of headlines in front of the Israel prepares Operation Gideon's
Speaker 1: Chariots to take over Gaza, clear Jamas over to ms
Speaker 1: or MSN. Israel plans to occupy and flatten all of
Speaker 1: Gaza if no deal by Trump trip they got, I
Speaker 1: guess they claim they have enough resolve and enough resources
Speaker 1: to just, I don't know, wipe out whatever exists in
Speaker 1: Gaza and start from scratch. Daniel Davis, listen, I've been
Speaker 1: saying this, and I know some of your viewers don't
Speaker 1: like it. Since this we started talking about this many
Speaker 1: many months ago, Israel has choosing to use military means
Speaker 1: to try and achieve the unattainable. You're not gonna kill
Speaker 1: your way to victory here, And I mean, what have
Speaker 1: they not done over nineteen months that suddenly they're gonna
Speaker 1: start doing now and get a different outcome you have?
Speaker 1: I mean, the entire population is completely stoke. They have
Speaker 1: no other alternatives. They can't even quote surrender, this idea
Speaker 1: that they should voluntarily go somewhere else. Only there's nowhere
Speaker 1: else to take them, so they can't go anywhere else.
Speaker 3: So then what are you going to do? And every
Speaker 3: time you kill somebody that's not a Hamas person. In
Speaker 3: all these attacks, you raise up more every time you
Speaker 3: do kill somebody. There's no shortage of men that's going
Speaker 3: to continue on the with the resistance. How could it
Speaker 3: be any other way? So I truly don't understand what
Speaker 3: their objective is here.
Speaker 1: Well, and I've read in a couple of different places
Speaker 1: this would require the moving I guess essentially evacuating more
Speaker 1: like two million people.
Speaker 3: And to where that's exactly right? Where can they go
Speaker 3: in the God's drip? Because is you just read there
Speaker 3: they're looking to demolish everything. There's nowhere left to go.
Speaker 3: I mean you, they're basically on an existence right now.
Speaker 3: And by the way, all the food ad has been
Speaker 3: cut off for weeks now, and there many people are
Speaker 3: at risk of genuine starvation and some have already succumbed.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's a terrible situation. It is,
Speaker 1: but it's been a terrible situation, got it for a
Speaker 1: long time. But all the photographs that I see, and
Speaker 1: I recognize they're only going to show the worst of
Speaker 1: the worst. But I just kind of scratch my head
Speaker 1: wondering what's left by way of infrastructure in Gaza that
Speaker 1: that can be destroyed.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean yeah, and you see, it's not just
Speaker 3: that they're showing the worst of the worst. That's all
Speaker 3: there is to see. There is only the worst of
Speaker 3: the worst. And yeah, there's like shelves of buildings some places,
Speaker 3: and skeletons of buildings. Then those are also being demolished
Speaker 3: until there is literally it's being raised to the ground.
Speaker 3: And I don't see any military utility in this. I
Speaker 3: don't see any political utility in this. It just looks
Speaker 3: like they're just destroying the ability of these people to live.
Speaker 1: And then they'll have to keep an occupying force in
Speaker 1: Gaza in order to maintain whatever definitely order that they
Speaker 1: hope to achieve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even if they succeed tactically, and I don't know,
Speaker 3: they just say, yes, we've done this, so we've conquered it.
Speaker 3: Now what Because you've got two million people there with
Speaker 3: no place to live, you have to occupy it. And
Speaker 3: what are you gonna what's your army gonna do perpetually
Speaker 3: stay there? I mean, what's the end state here? What
Speaker 3: is the end objective? I just don't see anything that's good. No,
Speaker 3: And you know, if you if you continue to occupy it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I mean, if you have two
Speaker 1: million folks living in Gaza that they call it their home,
Speaker 1: among them obviously people with a tremendous amount of hatred
Speaker 1: for Israel and the occupying forces that would have to
Speaker 1: remain there, you're setting yourself up for a whole lot
Speaker 1: of pot shots and sniper fire and IEDs. I mean,
Speaker 1: a perpetual battle from behind the scenes with an unorganized
Speaker 1: military against the occupying forces. I mean, that's that's what
Speaker 1: you're you're asking for. I mean, that's and we've seen
Speaker 1: this in history.
Speaker 3: We certainly saw a lot with the Partisans against the
Speaker 3: Germans in France, with the Partisans against the Germans, and Yugoslavia,
Speaker 3: for example, just a horrible, horrible years long blood of
Speaker 3: time Ukraine actually during during the occupation portion of World
Speaker 3: War Two. It was always that way, was always bad,
Speaker 3: and the population has no other alternative, right, It's not
Speaker 3: like you can pacify them. That's all they have. So
Speaker 3: you're they're signing yourself up for that kind of an
Speaker 3: existence again with no discernible in state. That's positive for
Speaker 3: the Israel side.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. Daniel Davis Steep dive. You can
Speaker 1: find a podcast online, just search for it. We'll look
Speaker 1: forward to having him back on the program next Tuesday
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