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Speaker 1: You am now listening to soft Core History?

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Speaker 2: What is up? Welcome back to Softcore History. I am

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your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as always

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by Dan Rochester.

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Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to be on your show.

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Speaker 2: Ro Happy, happy to have you once again. Thanks for returning,

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Thanks coming back you call. I answered, I know, I

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appreciate you always there for your baby at the drop

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of a hat, but you wouldn't when I asked you, Hey,

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can you be on speed dial just in case Courtney

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goes into labor in the middle of the night. You're like, dude,

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you live so fucking far away.

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Speaker 3: Come on, I need my beauty sleep. I can't mess

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with that.

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Speaker 2: So I had to use someone else a long time. Uh,

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you know guest on the show, Gabby monte Mayor. And

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today we have not Gabby Montemeor. Nope, we have Christina

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monte Mayor, Gabby's little sister and our former who we

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actually knew Christina first because she's a former co worker

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at Total Frat Move, Total Sorority Move, Total Scrap Move.

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Speaker 4: That was a decade ago. I just realized that this

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weekend's wild.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe I've I've known you for almost thirteen years.

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Speaker 3: Well, got laid off for Crazy twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's been a while, but yeah, that was

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my nickname in high school. Gabby's little sister, That's what

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I was known as. So very familiar with that.

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Speaker 2: You're first in my heart.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I knew.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Gabby is the one that came onto the scene.

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Speaker 1: Later, she came in hot too. She really integrated herself

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with the group. She just found a home, really lazing.

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Speaker 2: And I actually don't even think I ever met her

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while working at TFF.

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Speaker 4: I know, and now it's like you've known her as

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long as you've known me.

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Speaker 1: It feels like, yeah, because she hangs out with your

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wife all the time. Yeah, she And to your point,

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she rescued Courtney, or rescued you guys, went into labor.

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Speaker 2: Rescued me already driven to the hospital in the middle

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of the night in labor.

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Speaker 4: That story still makes me laugh.

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Speaker 1: Third, baby mom just drives herself to the hospital, Like,

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is that what I have to look forward to?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just business.

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Speaker 4: That's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: First baby, eh freak out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thevery exacond baby entire thing.

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Speaker 2: Here we go get okay, I hope it goes well,

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the first time was crazy.

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Speaker 3: The third baby's a nuisance.

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Speaker 2: Third Yeah, third baby is just.

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Speaker 4: The just the casualness of it was incredible. Yeah, there's

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crops to Courtney.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I had to ask, by the way, before we get going,

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is Gabby jealous?

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Speaker 4: Gabby is jealous.

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Speaker 1: She gave me some pointers and she said, don't fuck up, hey,

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just so you know, don't suck up.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, great, no, presh no, presh.

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Speaker 2: Girl sounds about right from Gabby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, she has fun here. So she told me

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to just have a good time. That's the plan.

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Speaker 2: That's all you need to do. And because you were

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a first time guest, I asked you for a writer,

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which I no longer do.

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Speaker 1: For Gabby, she gets like room temp water and I

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get what kind of Seltzer's do you want?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like do you want wine?

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Speaker 3: You want Seltzer?

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Speaker 2: Do you need sparkling water?

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Speaker 4: The service here is incredible.

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Speaker 2: It goes downhill.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Listen, we've been through the trenches together. It's like

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seeing an old war, buddy.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 1: The content game, we've seen things, we have all of

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the things, lots of things.

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Speaker 4: That's a different podcast.

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Speaker 2: I feel did you see how it is. Did you

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see our bosses, our old bosses offs cross Street? No way,

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that's where that's where Madison works.

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Speaker 4: Now, oh my god, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, way across the highway.

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Speaker 2: I do see him walking around sometimes that's an outside

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good for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But today we have Christina on for a very specific purpose,

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not just because she is a former fellow comedy writer

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at Grand ex at TFMTSM, whatever Christina is. And I

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apologize to our audience for even doing this to you.

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It really goes against everything the show is but an

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ex bert, which we don't. We don't love to do, Okay,

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I like to I don't. I don't like to have

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people here to blast holes in anything. Yeah, but this

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is the closest we've come to actually having somebod who

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knows what the fuck they're talking about on the podcast

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for now.

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Speaker 3: For now, we do have somebody lined up in August

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that will wipe the floor with us with rum and history.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm not even I think I'm just gonna ask

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him questions.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's not going to be me being like running

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down a thing and having him be like that's actually wrong.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna tell us things. I always to be like sit.

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Speaker 2: And I believe everything you say. And with you today,

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I'll pretty much believe anything you great, no matter how

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it is. But what are you an expert in? Exactly?

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Speaker 4: I am a couple of things. A makeup artist. I

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did your wife's wedding for makeup for your wedding?

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Speaker 2: You did? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And did I do your wedding? Did I imagine this?

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Or did I do your makeup for the wedding?

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Speaker 2: Don't you want to touch me?

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Speaker 4: I think I gave you some boyglam. I like think

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I went to your room.

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Speaker 3: You had some foundation on it.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a light base.

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Speaker 1: I think I gave you just like some bronzer, just

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brighten up your pale irish complexion. So I think I

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did your makeup too for your wedding. And I'm also

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a beauty writer and editor. So I've been writing about

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beauty for five ish years.

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Speaker 2: Now in a bunch of publications.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, I' written for Men's Health, so I covered

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grooming for Men's Health for a while. Which can we

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just stop on the word grooming as it relates to

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like men's beauty, Like the fact that you guys would

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rather be close closer to pedophiles in terms of calling

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it what it is that word you guys can't use

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like men's beauty, you use grooming.

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Speaker 4: Why why is that?

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Speaker 2: Why do we still use it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: What are we supposed to use now?

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Speaker 4: Words? Just call it men's beauty.

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Speaker 1: But you guys are so afraid of the word beauty

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that you had to call it grooming, Like it's so weird.

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Speaker 3: Also, technically grooming is not being a pedophile. It's waiting, Okay,

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it's it's called patients.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, persistence.

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Speaker 2: I guess Baseball's minor leagues are grooming now.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's grooming some guy to become a picture

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for your major league.

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Speaker 2: I mean they do actually say that being groomed to

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be the starting quarterback or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Literally, you guys are obsessed with that word.

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Speaker 2: It's a funny word. Yeah, so it is a funny

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thing to accuse someone to be well.

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Speaker 1: And when I was writing about beauty or grooming for

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mental health, I would interview and they're called celebrity groomers,

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So like John Hamm and like J. Jallen Hall, I

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would talk to their like groomers people that did their

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hair and their makeup.

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Speaker 4: And I remember like writing this article and I was like,

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is this the right word? Are we sure?

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Speaker 1: Do we want to think of a different word besides

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groomer to describe this person.

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Speaker 4: In their men's skin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and nope, it's grooming, it's groomer.

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Speaker 3: It's I mean, imagine, if you play on the Nashville

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hockey team, you're known as a predator. That's also tough.

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Speaker 2: They did have it. Did you see the shirt the

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other day that went viral?

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Speaker 3: It was just.

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Speaker 2: Like preds, Preds in Nashville or something like that, or

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like like Nashal's favorite Preds or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Awful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not great. I think they had to

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recant that shirt, but they printed a lot.

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Speaker 4: No print, keep keeping going. Yeah, just tag all the

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men who wear that shirt.

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Speaker 2: They're like Ghana and Guatemala. Now they've had a ship

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to a place where like where you send the shirts

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of the team that loses.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, anyways, that's what I do now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's your substack? Real quick?

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Speaker 1: Texas Beauty editor substack, which you know is something I

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have am I currently writing? You could say every every

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Speaker 2: I'm currently paying, are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, okay, now now now I'm gonna come up

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Speaker 2: Write it about.

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Speaker 4: Just for you, Rob, I'll do a men's little substack

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for you.

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Speaker 3: I clearly you know I do.

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Speaker 2: Get an email every month your pay with to Christine

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and Montame or is going through.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, huh, it's.

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Speaker 2: The only email from your substack I got this month.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, Okay, I'll get up on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big I support a lot of people's substanct

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I probably have like a not one hundred, probably fifty dolls.

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Speaker 3: I like that move just collecting chain. Yeah, people forget

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about their subscriptions all the time.

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Speaker 2: If we stop this podcast, we're not gonna tell anyone,

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and we're gonna let Patreon dot com slash software history

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keep cash and checks until everyone unsubscribes.

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Speaker 3: And I think it would take a couple of months,

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it would take a.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: We would have subscribers for at least two years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go, what are you guys doing?

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Speaker 2: I know, why are we working at all?

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Speaker 3: We haven't gone to the level of success yet to

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really just coast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so today, because of Christina's expertise, we are talking

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about the history of makeup. This is a Jake classic,

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the history of the broadest thing you can imagine. Now

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we're specifically the history of men's makeup. More specifically, I

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didn't want to do like full beautification, so we're not

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talking tattoos or beards and hair and stuff like that.

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I won't specifically want to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Why don't want to talk about me? Rob?

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Speaker 2: You really the episode of Dan, We're gonna mention you

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a little bit. You got a little neander vibe going on.

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You got tattoos, you.

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Speaker 4: Got a Viking thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I appreciate Neanderthal vibe. Like

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I'm uninvolved.

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Speaker 2: Neanderthals groomed themself. We're gonna talk about that little.

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Speaker 5: We'll get there.

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Speaker 3: They were the og not quite the slobs you thought

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they were, fucking knuckle dragon. No, you look all hunched over. Look,

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I'm not a squatty man.

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Speaker 2: Dan told me his way before the show started. He

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was like, guess what I'm down to?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Can I guess what? To twenty four?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Is that is that it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I started like two thirty, I'm done to eleven?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Shit, Okay, you must.

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Speaker 2: Be looking puffy today, I must be.

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Speaker 3: But uh, I mean if we're gonna pimp other people's stuff,

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shouts to my friend Shay who is a personal trainer.

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She does my macros m look at you. So if

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you want to change your body, hit her up and

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that's gonna buy me some goodwill for a while.

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Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, at at what life with Shahla sa h

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a l A really hope Fitbod's not on the show today.

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we get in this one more thing, I wanted to

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ask you what would you have done for us today?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Camera god? Okay, So for men's makeup?

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Speaker 1: So I also make a artist and I do a

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lot of like commercial Yeah I've done a TV show

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and just like commercial work here and there. But men's

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makeup is really simple but deceiving. Like you guys like

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just need some warmth around your face. So like think

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of Matthew McConaughey. He always looks like tanned, like.

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Speaker 4: He just got back from a vacation.

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Speaker 1: That's really the vibe that you're trying to create with men.

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Just some warmth arough on the face, some bronzer. You

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guys need to like, groom your eyebrows more. I don't

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know why you guys don't use like a brow gel

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every so often, Like that would just make your eyes

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more open.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm my eyebrows is so big that I am

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forced to trim them up constantly. But I don't. Well,

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so you do something to them, Yeah, but I don't

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do browjel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, at a browjell.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, here's the thing that I think

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every man should do to make themselves look better.

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Speaker 4: Do all at home. Spray tan a.

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Speaker 1: Little at home moose that you just buy from the

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store and you just it's really simple.

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Speaker 4: It's like body lotion.

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Speaker 1: Be put that on you, marin it, in it for

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a few hours, and you look like you just got

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back from Tahiti.

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Speaker 3: Like se, I prefer going outside, maybe playing golf, wear

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a hat and then you have the Stuart sink tan

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on your forehead. I prefer that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't do any of what you just said

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because people would notice.

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Speaker 4: Immediately, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: You've seen my fiance Jesse. He's a redheaded man. He's

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a Scottish Man by ancestry, and he loves a little

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like tan like he I do him before wedding. So

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anytime we've gone to wedding together, he asked me to

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tan him and so.

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Speaker 3: Give Rob a self tanner.

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Speaker 4: I think I will one day for my wedding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will.

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Speaker 2: You and Jesse, I will self tan for your wedding.

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Speaker 4: You and Jesse can have a little date out of it.

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He he loves to go.

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Speaker 1: He went to go get a spray tan while we

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were on vacation. I got one before vacation, and he

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was jealous of me, and so he got one while

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we were on vacation. That's how dedicayed this man is

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to looking tan.

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Speaker 2: Also, though this is see, this is why I'm married

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pale is because I'm very I'm very you. That also

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that i feel like I'm very similar in skin tone

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to Jesse. Very and him and you or me and

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you next to each other shirtless, which I've been like

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on the like cruise or whatever. It's dark.

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Speaker 1: It's it's black and white. Really yeah, not quite but black, white,

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white and brown.

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Speaker 4: For sure.

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Speaker 2: One of us looks very healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what a tan gives you. It is

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like a healthy looking appearance.

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Speaker 2: I look like I escaped from the brig on the curve.

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Speaker 4: And we need to fix that. This is what a

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tan can do for your wedding.

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Speaker 2: I will sonless get.

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Speaker 3: Back to them.

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Speaker 4: I will keep that on on record.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll let let Courtney remind Courtney.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we'll do She'd actually.

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Speaker 2: Probably be into that. She'd be like, yeah, goddamn time. Actually,

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today we're going to talk about how this was the

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look everybody wanted really in most of human history. So

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fuck both of you. You fucking wrong your fucking field hands. Uh,

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but we'll get to that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we're gonna talk about mostly facial cosmetics because

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that's kind of what we think we think of make up, right, Like,

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obviously everyone's groomed throughout history, but facial makeup is the

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very specific thing that has fallen out of favor with

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men in the last two hundred and twenty ish years

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something like that.

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Speaker 3: How were people's teeth for the most part of history?

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I think bad, yes, although so like enough bacteria builds

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up in your mouth, it's good.

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Speaker 2: So the two things I've actually read about teeth through

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human history is one, it got worse after we started farming,

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because then we started getting more sugars with bread and stuff,

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like that and that fucked up teeth and the other

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thing that I've read, and you just got to kind

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of keep in mind, just imagine the world without orthodonal work.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, right now my middle child has like an

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extra like just an extra tooth group. So we have

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to get it removed in like a year. Oh no,

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so right now he's just got two teeth stacked on

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top of each other, like, looks like a freak baby.

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We don't let him outside red hair, extra teeth.

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Speaker 3: This is why you can't marry your cousin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and presumably me and Coordney you are close, more

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closely related than we should be.

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Speaker 3: Don't get the DNA test.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, She asked me that one. She was like,

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wouldn't be fun to do a twenty three meters And

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my literal response was, how related do you want to

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find out we are?

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Speaker 1: It's good to tell your kids, though, just what they're

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in for, maybe once they get older, some diseases.

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Speaker 2: You need to marry someone who's ancestry for the last

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four hundred six was not from the European continent.

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Speaker 4: And this is why I'm marrying Jesse Scottish Man.

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Speaker 2: Just pure your Scottish way of South Africa. Yeah, you

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have no crisscross whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's funny. I'm more African than he is.

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I did my DNA test and I'm like one percent

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something right, and and he did his just to see

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if he has any African obviously he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: How much conquist the door do you have in you?

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Speaker 4: Like most like fifty percent? Like European Portuguese that whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you guys are related.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe she wouldn't have bred with a jew. He's

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Portuguese Jewish, Okay, I mean her ancestors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, her ancestors, which, of course, now yeah, no, they

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hunted you and now look at us here we are. Yeah.

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So we're going to start in prehistory, which I actually

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got from you first off, though, how dare you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I sent over some references.

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Speaker 2: She goes, this is to help lead your research.

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Speaker 3: It's the first time a guess has offered that. Dare

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wish I had that from my sources. Be real nice? Sorry,

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she helped you with your homework.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I was like, oh, this is useful.

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So obviously prehistoric makeup existed, it just in terms of

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like rituals and even hunting and camo, you know, stuff

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like that. But they do have evidence. You showed me

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the Neanderthal thing, but both for Neanderthals and Homo sapiens.

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Actually they put on maybe a light base.

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Speaker 1: Maybe some foundation, a little blush.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, helps you look sexier, hotter. One thing I really

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appreciated about people in prehistory and even in ancient history

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is that they actually we joke about all the time.

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It's like, God, I had to be so gross back then.

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Did these people even realize it? I think they did.

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I think they realized how gross life was, the amount

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of makeup they wore. Tells me that even then, even

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then they realized it's like ough, who, this is all.

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Speaker 1: Horrible, But they had to look good doing it, so

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they had to make an improvement upon that, so they

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did some I think I read that they would crush

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up pi right, yes, and then glitter put that on

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all over their face just to like look exactly that

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twilight shine.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that the smells weren't really that bad until

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the Industrial Revolution.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the bo the bo had to be, but the

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rivers weren't smelling like sewage.

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Speaker 2: There was no necessarily sewage rivers. Unless there was a

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village upstream.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have giant factories just dumping chemicals into the river.

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Speaker 2: It's true. But if you had a village upstream from you,

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you're you're kind of fucked because they would walk a

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little bit downstream of their village throw whatever into the river,

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and then it just floats on down to you. So

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then you have go kill them and.

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Speaker 3: Take their land.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, use rape their women.

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Speaker 2: Don't drink their they made you drink poop their poop

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seems just fun.

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Speaker 3: That's how war actually started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when your four year old dies of dysentery because

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Gary up the river was too lazy to take a

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dump in a hole, blood has to be shitdy, Yeah, exactly.

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So they found a cave in South Africa actually about

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one hundred thousand to seventy thousand years ago, so to

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put that in perspective, about sixty thousand years before we

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even remotely started farming or anything. Archaeologists found an ochre

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workshop with abalone shells containing ochre fat mixtures grindstones.

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Speaker 3: So he saidn ogre ochre.

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Speaker 1: Okra red earth kind of like compound, right. I think

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Okre is like a color.

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Speaker 2: I'll check real quick, because I didn't even bother to

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look that up. This is a softcore history. Brownish yellow

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brow so tan.

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Speaker 4: So they wanted to be tan.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to look tan, and this contained like they

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would mix it with fat, typically animal fats to help

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applicate it. They had grindstones, They even found applicators, so

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according to archaeologists, this pretty much suggests that men and

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women systematically Again, this is sixty thousand years before we

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even remotely thought about farming, produced cosmetics in I don't

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know in a cave or where they did it, but

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they had. It was essentially a makeup factory in the

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like way prehistoric world and this includes Neanderthals too. Scientists

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found shells at two archaeological sites in southern Spain. They

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found lumps of yellow pigments. So yellow tan was hot.

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People wanted to be tan. So these people weren't educated,

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they didn't know any better.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like protecting their skin from the sun.

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Speaker 4: I think that was part of it. Yeah, so it

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was also a sunscreen some of these. I'd imagine it

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was that ingredients and.

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Speaker 1: Like a possibly looked insect repellant too. A lot of

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these ingredients repelled insects.

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Speaker 3: Functional.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there there was a lot of functionality to a

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lot of makeups throughout throughout history, especially in the ancient world,

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in the pre ancient world, although for a lot of

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the Neanderthals, they were probably I don't know if it

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was sunscreen, because a lot of them were. They lived

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there long enough that they were okay with the environment. However,

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this is this is what interested me. They found a

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red powder mixed with flex that that are reflective with

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a reflective black mineral in these like shells and shit

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like that that were also worn as by Neanderthals as

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jewelry or whatever. And this was not influenced by Homo sapiens,

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the one in Spain, because they found it ten thousand

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years before they would have been contact with humans. So

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humans and Neanderthals developed makeup completely separately, completely independent of

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each other. The question for neander Thals, though, like you said,

476
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,160
this might have been sunscreen, although a lot of them

477
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,559
were relatively acclimated to the amount of sun they got

478
00:21:09,599 --> 00:21:12,319
in something in Spain by that point, however.

479
00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 3: Or maybe it's camouflage, right, the slender Man comes in

480
00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:17,920
almost wipes them out pretty much does wipe them out?

481
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: Does what literally wipes them out?

482
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 3: So they want to kind of blend in.

483
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,559
Speaker 2: But this, this is before we take our rightful place

484
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,200
as kings of the planet.

485
00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 3: They were kind of asking for it, I mean, living there.

486
00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:36,839
Speaker 2: I agree. So most Neanderthals had tans, probably like Dan.

487
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,640
You know, to continue with the Dan Neanderthal comparisons about

488
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,720
Dan's complexion, somewhere between you and Dan when you say, uh,

489
00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:46,039
living in Spain, however.

490
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: I'll be the darkest man in the room.

491
00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 2: I be darker than me. I mean, you're all ready

492
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,920
to the darkest man in the room. Oops. Here, you're

493
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:55,640
darker than Coop.

494
00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, easily.

495
00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: There is some evidence though that neander Dolls did carry

496
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:05,160
in that region the m c R one R gene,

497
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,279
which is associated with fair skin, red hair, and freckles.

498
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:14,880
So you rob mostly me, I don't have I do

499
00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:17,759
I do carry the red hair gene. You're a day walker, obviously,

500
00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:18,440
do you don't have red hair?

501
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 4: Pro created red a couple times now twice?

502
00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, two out of three good odds.

503
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 2: And the middle one is so is that recessive? At

504
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,599
that point you would think, I.

505
00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 4: Don't know what was you in courtney.

506
00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: No, No, it roars to the forefront. There may have

507
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:43,279
been a market for sunless tanner for ginger cavemen who

508
00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:45,440
would have thought me.

509
00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 3: Because they couldn't come out of the cave.

510
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,759
Speaker 2: Speak that, and because maybe they you know, a lot

511
00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:55,920
of times if someone looks different, they had to wear

512
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,519
it revered.

513
00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:58,039
Speaker 3: They had to wear a T shirt into the pool.

514
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,559
Speaker 2: Never done that, Never done that. I would rather get

515
00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:03,240
sunburned than wear a T shirt in the pool, Like

516
00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:05,880
I would rather I have had a piece of skin

517
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,759
cut out. I would rather deal with that again than

518
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,119
ever get in a swimming pool wearing a T shirt.

519
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,799
I would cancer, mild cancer. I would take over that.

520
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,480
They hit the leg.

521
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 3: They're wearing their their finest furs into the water.

522
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,319
Speaker 2: There's actually a weird thing at when my kids take

523
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,079
swimming lessons that they took it. It's an indoor pool.

524
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 3: What's it called again?

525
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: Little fishes?

526
00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: Little fishes something like that. Now, who were the little fishes?

527
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:35,160
Rob They were friends of the Emperor Tiberius. Yea look

528
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,079
up Tiberius's island and don't do that on a work computer.

529
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: Never do that on a work computer. Absolutely, But a

530
00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:49,079
lot of the dads at this indoor pool getting in

531
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:50,119
there in T shirts.

532
00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 5: Why, I don't know.

533
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, this is the Burbs. No one

534
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,079
cares about your body.

535
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: Well maybe they don't want to sexualize themselves around kids.

536
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: And they weren't. They didn't have that type of body.

537
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,240
In fact, the one time there was like it was

538
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:09,759
it wasn't even a chick. It was like a dude

539
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,640
with a hot bod. And I was just like, well,

540
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,960
I look like shit right now, but whatever is what

541
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,240
it is.

542
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 4: And he went shirt off.

543
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,599
Speaker 2: I was shirt off every time. I don't want to

544
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:20,880
be that guy ward.

545
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 4: The children rob with that white chest. You're blinding that.

546
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: It was Finn's swim lessons.

547
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 4: So so he was paler than you.

548
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah somehow.

549
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had somebody to distract from himself.

550
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Just he actually can't see me. If I'm

551
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,240
holding him in front of you. It's like shining a

552
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:40,279
flashlight in your face.

553
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: It was like concrete white walls that are always in

554
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,440
like the pool indoor pools. Yeah yeah, yeah, you blend

555
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:47,759
right in.

556
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: He disappeared. There was just a little tuft of red

557
00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:58,079
floating around. Cosmetics. Also in these ancient prehistoric societies, probably

558
00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:02,119
played a role in attracting mates along with tattoos. A

559
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,599
is it all you know? Was like, Oh, I'm healthy, good,

560
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,359
you want to have a baby with me.

561
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,519
Speaker 4: Because I'm tan?

562
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, blah blah blah. It's a horrible time. They couldn't

563
00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:12,960
even read, they didn't know anything.

564
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 3: Being the tattoo artists for the trip would be dope.

565
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: I wondered. So I didn't get into tattoos.

566
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,279
Speaker 3: But I feel like seems like a misopportunity.

567
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,519
Speaker 2: You're really taking your life into your Like you're really

568
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:30,960
risking your life getting a tattoo pre antibiotic to look cool.

569
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:33,319
Speaker 3: Dude, they's hammering it India.

570
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: It's like just a bone that's been in ten other people.

571
00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:42,720
They're not washing it, and you're just getting what like

572
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,319
a shitty stick drawing of a deer on your back.

573
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: So though sleeve tats now are so oversaturated, like every dude,

574
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,240
especially in Austin, has a sleeve tat, it's just become

575
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,359
soft that the generation after us now hates tattoos. It's

576
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,359
uncool to have a sleeve Is that true?

577
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 4: Gen Z hates tattoos and sleeps well.

578
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:04,519
Speaker 3: You get a zigwawee zag.

579
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've dated yourself.

580
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,079
Speaker 3: Yep, so this show's my age right here.

581
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,599
Speaker 2: What's funny to me about the Neolithic or not? This

582
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,640
isn't even Neolithic, this is pre this is Paleolithic. It

583
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,480
took time to find this shit, make this shit, mix

584
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:36,240
this shit. Cosmetics were valued almost as much as making

585
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:40,319
tools and food. They were so invested in looking hot

586
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,039
when every day was a question whether or not you

587
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:46,279
were gonna live. You didn't know where your next meal

588
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,000
was gonna come from. Potentially, they still took time to

589
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,079
make sure they look hot.

590
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're looking for a deer, you might as

591
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,480
well grab a couple of plants on the way, grab

592
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,200
other shit when you're tracking an animal. Yeah, you're coming

593
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,839
across things now. Truly, I just like, oh, here's some

594
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,519
cash right here.

595
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,319
Speaker 2: Just don't think we've been great prioritizers throughout history.

596
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: Well, we're the hunters, the women are the gatherers.

597
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 4: And we both wore makeup. At one point. It was

598
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,920
both important.

599
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: Being hot is kind of important.

600
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,799
Speaker 4: Rob, your wife.

601
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: Maybe don't value it so much these days because you're

602
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,759
kind of, you know, condemned to a life of each other.

603
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 4: Corny, I love you.

604
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:36,319
Speaker 2: Don't worry You're not listening. Uh, that's never a threat.

605
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:39,880
After kid three, though, I imagine you just give up.

606
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,319
What do you mean, just physically physically about cares? I

607
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,279
could tell you that most days. That's why I wear

608
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:49,880
a hat every day, Like not doing my.

609
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:51,519
Speaker 3: Hair today is stupid backwards.

610
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: When does it come forward when I drop the kids

611
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,160
off at daycare to look like a serious man, to

612
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,079
look like an adult, and then I just switch it.

613
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 4: Around backwards again, Yeah, ash.

614
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:03,279
Speaker 3: Ketchup, steps are going backwards.

615
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: Give a fuck?

616
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: Depends who's there, right, the parents you respect or not.

617
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,839
Speaker 2: If they go to the if it's at their daycare

618
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,759
that's in the city. That is like we're the poorest

619
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:15,599
family there by a mile because they all all the

620
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,519
other fans. It's in Barton Hills and all the families

621
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:20,759
live in Barton Hills. So I'll wear it forward to

622
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,000
look semi respectable.

623
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 3: But no one's gonna take this podcast seriously until you

624
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,079
turn your hat around.

625
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: Wh night. Well, I guess we're fucked. That not happening.

626
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,079
Speaker 3: You're gonna be like a seventy year old man with

627
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:32,799
a backwards hat.

628
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,519
Speaker 1: And you have a full head of hair too, I

629
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,039
see it. So why do you not show it off more.

630
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: Because I have to do it and I don't want

631
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:39,359
to do the hair.

632
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,759
Speaker 3: You don't even have to Messi's in style, right.

633
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I just don't care. I don't care

634
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:45,759
about anything.

635
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: You don't care about self expression, obviously. I just you

636
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,039
have the same outfit on that I've known you for

637
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:54,599
the last thirteen years. Literally, change the polo shirt, the

638
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,559
khaki shorts, tenny shoes, and backwards baseball hat.

639
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: Same outfit.

640
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,319
Speaker 2: It's a classic. You're the day to one. You got

641
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:03,200
a fucking Zeppelin on your arm.

642
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:05,359
Speaker 3: It's wrong with the zeppelin.

643
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: You're what are you? You're gonna be in a nursing home

644
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,839
one day. People are just gonna be like, oh, were

645
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,400
you in the navy? And you be like, no, I

646
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:12,400
was a tool.

647
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,839
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with peanut.

648
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: I was a boy in twenty fifteen.

649
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,759
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that, Rob. There's plenty playing that to

650
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:21,279
go around.

651
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,559
Speaker 2: No, it's actually fucked up that one day in nursing

652
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,160
homes and where you filled with fucking tat sleeves. By

653
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,559
the way, this is how you know my wife doesn't

654
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:28,880
this podcast because she still doesn't know.

655
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: That I's in well, she's ye that I know, how

656
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:33,880
dare you.

657
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,039
Speaker 3: She's always like, why do you lick your lips so

658
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,279
much like a lizard man?

659
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:39,279
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. She's like, I think it's a

660
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,440
nervous tick, and I was like, oh, maybe, yeah, it's

661
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,720
a ADD Yeah I blame You can blame a lot

662
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:44,160
on ADD.

663
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: You can blame everything on ADD. You guys get away

664
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,960
with so much shit and just call it. Oh, I

665
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:51,960
just have an attention deficit to story.

666
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:53,599
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, not real.

667
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I deal with so many people in my

668
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,160
life that add not you.

669
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: Dan, No, I would have thought you also would have it.

670
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: But the master the other end of the spectrum.

671
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: Two detail oriented, you're two in the weeds. All right,

672
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,240
all right, we're gonna move on to the Ancient World. Now,

673
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,240
this was my favorite part. I was saying to you

674
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,079
before the show. It kind of gets a little like

675
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,720
the same after the Ancient World. The ancient world, there's

676
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,599
a lot of diversity and makeup ideas. Once you get

677
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:29,920
into like Western Europe or even Asia East Asia in particular,

678
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,160
you kind of get the same right theme that everyone

679
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,319
wants to be pale. For the most part. That seems

680
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:41,319
to be the common denominator across the world post ancient times.

681
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,680
But in the ancient times we're figuring it out, we

682
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,680
didn't know what we wanted. Egyptian men, in particular, Egyptians

683
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,519
were probably the most prolific ancient users of makeup.

684
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: Little eyeliner killed all.

685
00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: The way to commoners we're putting oncial cosmetics, little JD.

686
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: Vans.

687
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,359
Speaker 1: More than that, they spent like hours of their morning

688
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:09,119
getting ready, Like they had manicurists, they had a makeup artist.

689
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:14,519
They took milk bats in the morning. They exfoliated the pharaohs, yes, yes,

690
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:16,839
and they waxed their entire bodies too.

691
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,319
Speaker 4: They didn't want any air.

692
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,559
Speaker 2: There's gotta be I don't know what their every day's

693
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,000
a spa genetic situation was in terms of like I

694
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,640
don't but like I feel like Middle Eastern Mediterranean men

695
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,759
are pretty hairy.

696
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: But they keep it right now.

697
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,119
Speaker 1: You know, they're the ones that have like the cleanest beards,

698
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,160
and they still got it.

699
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: They're still kicking the Persians.

700
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did still let the poof out of the

701
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,119
chest though. If you're like open that open collar, like

702
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,559
I'm I got nothing.

703
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,359
Speaker 3: In here, let's cover that up, rob, Do you have

704
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,640
any hair uh, not really like anywhere you have armpit hair,

705
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,160
you have armpit hair. Jesus Christ have leg hair too.

706
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,240
You can see the leg hair. I can't see like hair.

707
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:02,440
Do you shave your legs?

708
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: I do?

709
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: Not interesting, but it is light.

710
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,079
Speaker 2: It's kind of ginger, to be honest. So I didn't

711
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:08,119
fully avoid the red.

712
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:09,039
Speaker 4: No, it's there.

713
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:13,119
Speaker 3: S grow mustache. I can't even a little dirt stash.

714
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: Oh I can grow dirt s dash.

715
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, do it.

716
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: It's foul and I hate it. I don't know how

717
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,240
you have a beard. It's I if I don't shave.

718
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,839
Speaker 3: For like four days, it's the easiest thing possible. It's

719
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,119
called male makeup right here.

720
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: That was also a male beauty thing. Was like beards

721
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,480
were super in that showed that you were masculine and manly.

722
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,319
Speaker 2: And although Egyptians were more about the fake beard.

723
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: Right Yeah, they had the fake beards.

724
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:42,759
Speaker 2: The fertile crescent like Babylonians. I don't know about Somearians,

725
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,440
but Babylonians, Assyrians and stuff like that. Persians they did

726
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,480
the real beard and they would oil it up and

727
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,960
put perfume on it, but the Egyptians would more put

728
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,240
a face.

729
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

730
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,359
Speaker 3: The chick Farrow had to wear a fake beard.

731
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was always fake, Like, it was almost

732
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,000
always fake.

733
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:00,359
Speaker 4: It's like goat hair something.

734
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they like they really liked Actually red beards too

735
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,440
odd to learn. I don't know why, so jacked off.

736
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love a man with the red beard.

737
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:13,319
Can't get enough really.

738
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like red in that region. I was just like,

739
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,640
what about.

740
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,119
Speaker 5: Red hair to the Egyptians, of all things.

741
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: It's different?

742
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think was it also like a like a

743
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:29,039
warrior thing, like maybe the red was like going to battle.

744
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:30,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

745
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: Maybe, So I'm not going to battle with that guy, a.

746
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,279
Speaker 4: Guy with the red beard. You don't trust him.

747
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 2: You said you want to be a viking. That's half

748
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:38,880
your fucking unit.

749
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never said I want to be a viking.

750
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,079
Speaker 2: You have said many times you would like to be

751
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:44,480
a viking.

752
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: Never on record Saturday, I want to mix me up

753
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,000
with somebody else.

754
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:52,599
Speaker 2: Listeners of the show, please chime in to him, d

755
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:56,240
M him or something. Because he said it. I understand

756
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,640
why Egyptians in particular would be very into making that's.

757
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: Your fantasies out of mine, right, stop putting them and

758
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,839
projecting them onto me. Okay, I know you're such a

759
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,679
tryhard with Nordic lore.

760
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: I am not remotely the Nordics obliterated my people. My

761
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,119
red hair is in my bloodline because of the Nordic.

762
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: Well, who was it that was actually an Ireland half dan?

763
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,000
I believe with Viking.

764
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: Oh I don't, I don't even remember. I mean the

765
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:30,239
Vikings like plundered Ireland for a long time. Yeah, just

766
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,760
as defend I look, we had it coming. I'm not

767
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,880
gonna lie. We were so defenseless for so long, Like

768
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,159
what do you what do you expect to happen? You're

769
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,320
next to England, Vikings are up there, get an army.

770
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,480
For the love of God.

771
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: You can never say we took anyone's land because we

772
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,000
couldn't even defend our own.

773
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,519
Speaker 4: True.

774
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: So I understand why Gypsons were going to make up,

775
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,079
in particular that that climate, you're just getting obliterated by

776
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:59,280
the sun. You're sweaty all day, and now you potentially

777
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,760
live in an a city, which is gross, like much

778
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,800
grosser than living in the wilderness. And again, like I

779
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,360
said earlier, it's funny to me that even back then

780
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,800
they realized, like God, we're gross. Yeah, like we are gross.

781
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,679
We need to fix. They're human, rob but there's like

782
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,599
a context, you know what I mean. If they don't know,

783
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,480
you wonder what their context is, Like, what's there?

784
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: These people have ambition, they had goals, they had dreams,

785
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,679
but you don't family. They wanted to smell good.

786
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: You don't know, you don't love, You don't know what.

787
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,679
You don't know. You don't know what clean is like

788
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,119
if you've only lived in filth.

789
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,039
Speaker 3: But they knew.

790
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: I guess they did. That's it. I'm amazing.

791
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,519
Speaker 3: So you're exposing yourself for not knowing what you don't know.

792
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,519
I guess.

793
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:48,199
Speaker 2: So I'm shocked they're playing episode. So men applied a

794
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,119
makeup called coal k O h L like the store

795
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,000
can't imagine it's related, but who knows. It was made

796
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:59,280
from galina, which is lead, or malachite, which is green

797
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,559
copper high.

798
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: I love the green eyes. Yeah, they would do a

799
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,079
little green around the rim, make your.

800
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: Eyes pop, Yeah, I would, I guess. So. I like

801
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:11,800
lead based products, but the darker ones, the ones you

802
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,519
see I guess in higher gloss are probably the lead.

803
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,199
Speaker 4: Yeah. The black death sticks all over the eyes.

804
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,039
Speaker 3: It while they're drinking lead wine.

805
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:26,199
Speaker 2: I assume this didn't go great for them, like especially

806
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,039
it's actually it is a testament to Egypt that it

807
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:35,119
was such a successful empire for so long, and every

808
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:39,480
single day their rulers put lead in their eyes, and

809
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,519
all of their offspring were products of incest.

810
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: Little freaks. Of course they're going to try to cover.

811
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,079
Speaker 2: Like it would make the Habsburg's puke. That's how incestuous.

812
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,880
Incestuous the Egyptians were, like. It wasn't like you're gonna

813
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,719
bang your cousin. It was like, here's your sister, she's

814
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:57,880
your white oh yeah.

815
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 4: Half sister.

816
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:03,559
Speaker 1: They would just marr Intermary. It's disgusting, but they look

817
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:05,519
so good doing it. They did because they wore that

818
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:10,159
coalon eyes. A little eyeliner can really just hide the

819
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:12,000
incest from within.

820
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,079
Speaker 2: Your brother put some dark eyeliner on and he looks good.

821
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're putting lipstick on a pig.

822
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,159
Speaker 2: You know.

823
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: King Tut was not king sight for your King Tut

824
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,119
was apparently a monster, like.

825
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,679
Speaker 4: No, like incest monster.

826
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,519
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Like.

827
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:33,639
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen there's like a recreations three D

828
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,719
like recreations of what he looked like just.

829
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,679
Speaker 4: One eye up with the other eye just down. He's

830
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:38,960
like a.

831
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: Twelve year old with hip dysplacia. Basically like any English

832
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,159
bulldog you've ever seen.

833
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 4: But alive. Yeah, but a real person.

834
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, put a human being terrifying. He was like an

835
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,480
English bulldog of a human being just shouldn't be alive.

836
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,280
It's just a monster from the jump. And that's why

837
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,199
he didn't live very long.

838
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's still tours to this day. You get tickets,

839
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,199
you can't mm hmm, so city to city.

840
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,199
Speaker 2: What's interesting about coal though, because men from all classes

841
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:10,840
put it on? Apparently, it also essentially had the same

842
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:16,559
purpose of eye black in like football or baseball, help keep.

843
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,119
Speaker 4: The glares, the suns glare.

844
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it was to write Bible verses on them.

845
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,199
Speaker 2: I think that maybe they wrote something from the Book

846
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:27,880
of the Dead John Yeah, chorus five twelve whatever, their

847
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:35,079
famous verse, favorite verse was. Coal also did have uses

848
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,480
beyond the sun though, too. It protected the eyes from

849
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:41,400
glare and dust. Like I said, well, didn't say dust

850
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,400
and uh it also but this is true according to

851
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,679
modern studies. It would keep you from getting eye infections. Interesting,

852
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,599
the lead would drive you insane, but it would keep

853
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,639
your eyes from getting infected. So if you're out in

854
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:58,760
the in the field shoveling shit all day. You're not

855
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,440
gonna get pink eye, do your your brain will rot.

856
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: But you what's wrong with the little schizophrenia.

857
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,079
Speaker 4: Especially if you're looking good.

858
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,159
Speaker 3: You know that's just at hot, crazy scale.

859
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: Toxic sexy man.

860
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called being fun.

861
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,639
Speaker 2: Rob Uh. Egyptian men did, I will say I go

862
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:19,800
in this a little bit. They do act. They did

863
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,079
actually have skincare routines as well. They used oils like

864
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:29,920
myrrh and frankincense to moisturize skin and hair dry.

865
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: Climate need the need the moisture in place like Egypt.

866
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to be ashy cracking elbows and

867
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,719
shit like that. And they actually found a papyrus that

868
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,159
list recip listed recipes for men's skin creams, including tell

869
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:50,320
me if this sounds even remotely useful, honey and natron

870
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,719
or naturn to smooth wrinkles and treat scars.

871
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:58,039
Speaker 1: So even then they were like wrinkles, they don't look good,

872
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,920
We got it. Yeah, you got to keep that skin

873
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,719
nice and soft.

874
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: Honey and toallo is a big thing. Now, Yeah, I

875
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,960
do have a tallow.

876
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: Some a listener of those shows we work for has

877
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,159
like a tallow company, and he gave me like his

878
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,079
skincare product, like the tallow thing. It's not for the face,

879
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,400
it's like for the body.

880
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it might clog your pores. Hot tip beef tallow.

881
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,800
Don't put on your face, keep it on the body.

882
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 4: There you go.

883
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: Men also, and this is where they get I start

884
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,639
to agree. They used ochre based powders to uh even

885
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,559
skin tone, but they would also use different chalky things

886
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,480
to lighten skin tone, signaling that they were.

887
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: Not a day laborer, right working outside in the sun,

888
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,199
not hot, no gross disgusting.

889
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: These oils were also insect repellents, like you said earlier. Yeah,

890
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,719
so if you're traveling up and down the nile or

891
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,559
working on the farm and working in the mud on

892
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:59,000
the nile all day, you're just getting eaten the fuck

893
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,480
alive if you're not putting this stuff on.

894
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 4: But if you have a little glam on, yeah, you'll

895
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,039
be safem insects.

896
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: The mosquitoes are like, mm mmm, he looks too good.

897
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: I want to fuck that up.

898
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

899
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,519
Speaker 2: Uh, what's also funny. And again this is how like

900
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:17,800
quickly civilization gets hyper complex. All of these makeups or

901
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,159
most of these makeups they've found, like the jars they

902
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,079
were stored in, or like the little applicators they were

903
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:31,719
stored in. Decorated, all decorated, yep, all ornately carved. And

904
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,519
people were marketing even back then, marketing was a thing.

905
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,360
You gotta think that there was some level of influencer

906
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,639
culture at the time. So if like a local famous

907
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:48,920
person used your makeup, like maybe a high priest or

908
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,519
a rich guy from the area, you could tell people

909
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:55,719
that more people buy your shit. Yeah, nothing is new,

910
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,119
nothing changes.

911
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 3: No. Makeup has always been the get rich quick scheme

912
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,039
for women.

913
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: And men, but now it is but now mostly women.

914
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to just make a YouTube channel. It's

915
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,920
just you do in your makeup, get a billion followers.

916
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,639
Just come up with the cool money talk about like, oh, yeah,

917
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:21,599
I found a dog the other day and decided to

918
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:22,119
steal it.

919
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: Are you talking about my dog? I didn't steal her.

920
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,559
Speaker 1: She she decided to leave her family and she found

921
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,639
us and we said, you know what, we'll help you out.

922
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 4: Girl.

923
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: You didn't rescue her, she rescued you.

924
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

925
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: She was chip though, and I tried my best to

926
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:44,079
find the owner, but I I didn't really want to.

927
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,599
Speaker 4: I did. I did reach out a couple of times,

928
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,119
but now she's ours and she's adorable. She's a she's

929
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,320
pure white husky, which is a deal for Texas a lot.

930
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:59,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, the poor girls just struggling in this heat. But

931
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,960
she looks and she's she has that nice coll around

932
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,920
her eye too. She's got some eyeliner to define the eyes.

933
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,199
Speaker 4: Never goes out of style.

934
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you need dog makeup? Yeah, dress her up

935
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:10,760
a little bit.

936
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: That's a thing now though. Dog cosmetics are not even cosmetics.

937
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: But luxury dog like grooming products. That's the new frontier.

938
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: We've done women's makeup, men'skin care is is there?

939
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,639
Speaker 4: But dogs open market.

940
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: I like that. Someone was like, I just don't think

941
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,760
we're gonna crack the men, but dogs, right, we might.

942
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: We'll get to dogs before men just come around to

943
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,239
using one cream at night.

944
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,639
Speaker 3: Well, dogs are an accessory for women mostly, that's true

945
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,519
in their purses.

946
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:44,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the husky fits.

947
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:48,159
Speaker 1: And she's only really half husky.

948
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:52,119
Speaker 4: She looks full husky, just like miniature. She's like husky. Yeah,

949
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,400
she's cute. She's like twenty five pounds. You can carry her.

950
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

951
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: Oh, so this is actually why the reason they liked hair.

952
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:01,960
It was associated they.

953
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,599
Speaker 3: Would trying to justify, I'm not I don't have I

954
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:06,679
do you kind of do.

955
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: Hung the legs. I guess Hannah was used to dye

956
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,920
beards and hair red because they thought that was associated

957
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,679
with vitality.

958
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 5: Okay, like strong strength.

959
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,119
Speaker 2: And I guess probably virility as well.

960
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: Strong swimmers means red hair, red hair. No, it's obsessive. Interesting, look, I.

961
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: Don't miss I got I got red hair in my bloodline,

962
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,199
and I can't stop get my wife pregnant.

963
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you should think about stopping for your sake.

964
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:39,639
Speaker 2: Really, I was joking on a show the other day.

965
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:42,800
I was like, me, getting my wife pregnant again would

966
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,480
be the like existential equivalent of a sixteen year old

967
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:48,440
getting someone pregnant for the first you know what I mean?

968
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 4: Like it would be life runing.

969
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be like life collapsing, like

970
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:56,360
oh my god, everything's changed, nothing is Yeah.

971
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,559
Speaker 3: You should do it, but then you get four what's five?

972
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: Six? Yeah?

973
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,119
Speaker 4: To have like ten? Your people used to have like ten.

974
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:07,599
Speaker 2: No, my dad has nine siblings.

975
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 4: I remember that. It scared me the moment I heard farm.

976
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were at my wedding. And what's weird is

977
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,480
only like six of the siblings were there, maybe seven,

978
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:16,239
six or seven?

979
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 4: What happened to the others?

980
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:19,679
Speaker 2: Oh no, it was six. One died.

981
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: That happens when you have ten, Yeah, like one's going

982
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,039
to die, yeah.

983
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: And then the other.

984
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:25,519
Speaker 3: It's just math yea.

985
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: Two of the others just could make you know.

986
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: Also one of them is gay? Are they is one gay?

987
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:33,960
What of you? Of your dad's siblings?

988
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: Not of the siblings? No, okay, well that I'm aware of.

989
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: I think statistically one out of ten has to be gay.

990
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: I think you're probably.

991
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 4: You're you're think you have one right now? Who's like

992
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:47,599
you could be gay?

993
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: I think in the agenda, I think that, you know, statistically,

994
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,679
one's probably had very strong thoughts.

995
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:57,519
Speaker 4: But but they're Irish Catholics, so they wouldn't never.

996
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:02,079
Speaker 2: Right, right. They're all married in head or a sexual relationships.

997
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,559
Speaker 4: So doesn't mean they're happy.

998
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: You're not wrong.

999
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:08,199
Speaker 3: But Rob's dad stayed with his mom.

1000
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,599
Speaker 2: Thick and thin probably the one. Uh so in Mesopotamia

1001
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,599
they were also getting their makeup game on. This is

1002
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:19,800
around the same time period men used white lead. There

1003
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,960
is so much lead used in ancient makeup. Yeah, it

1004
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:28,039
is a fucking miracle that society was able to last.

1005
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 4: When did we know that lead was bad? Like recently, right,

1006
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,000
like the nineteen hundreds.

1007
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Maybe it was late in the game, like the fifties.

1008
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, think every house was.

1009
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: Painting with lead pain Yeah, yeah, like it was lead.

1010
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,519
Gasoline was the thing.

1011
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: So the nineties, like the eighties, nineties, you ste.

1012
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: To say, like this gasoleen's unleaded.

1013
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1014
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,559
Speaker 3: I think they also have like data that proves once

1015
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:53,440
they got rid of let a gasoline, crime went down.

1016
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you or less crazy.

1017
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, people were not breathing in or I guess violent

1018
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,639
time went down.

1019
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.

1020
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: Helps.

1021
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,079
Speaker 1: So all the word world wars had happened during this time,

1022
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,599
probably because of the lead eyeliner.

1023
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:11,159
Speaker 4: They were all just power crazed men.

1024
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: The hitler wasn't on meth, It was just lead.

1025
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:14,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was his eyeliner.

1026
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: He just snorted like shavings of lead.

1027
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: He did have beautiful eyes. That explains a lot now

1028
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,320
that I think about it. So they use white lead

1029
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,119
and chalk based powders also to lighten their faces for

1030
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:33,039
the same reason men did adopt the Egyptian style coal.

1031
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:36,559
These these civilizations interacted a lot, so they were into

1032
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,159
that shit. They thought the Egyptians were really cool. But

1033
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,039
makeup was less for everyone in the Fertile Crescent than

1034
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,559
it was in Egypt. It was basically just for the

1035
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:50,840
rich men in the Near East, like Phoenicia and ancient

1036
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,719
Israel or whatever, ancient Palestine. That whole the Levant.

1037
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: I guess you could say make it a political statement.

1038
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: There no, no, no, the Levant because it weren't Israel

1039
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,079
or ever. It wasn't necessarily it was like Israel. There

1040
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:08,039
was Judah, there's Judea, a million things. Jesus side the

1041
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:13,519
Hebrew Bible actually references King Jayhu might have uh used

1042
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:18,599
subtle makeup for political appearances. Most of these makeups again

1043
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:23,400
not great health wise. The lead based cosmetics would cause

1044
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,719
not just neurological problems, but skin damage as well, believe

1045
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,119
it or not. So you would put it on to

1046
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:31,159
look better, but underneath your veneer, your face is just

1047
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,360
rotting away. Yeah, which ironically then required more lead makeup.

1048
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,159
Speaker 4: It's covered up.

1049
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's called a good business model.

1050
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: But the thing is they were so valuable culturally, like

1051
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,400
people were like, I can't not be hot.

1052
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he created a market. Yeah, that product then causes

1053
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,840
more issues, which creates more demand.

1054
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 2: Yes.

1055
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,039
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1056
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: The one thing you can't say is the cure.

1057
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 3: Help with the ailment?

1058
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:06,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you just hair the dog your lead makeup essentially, like, oh,

1059
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:08,800
I got some bad lead withdrawals today, I gotta put

1060
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,559
more lead on. Now. The book you sent me which

1061
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:13,880
you're holding, what is it.

1062
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 4: It's called Pretty Boys by David Ye.

1063
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: He was my boss and I guess now friend, but

1064
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,639
he wrote this whole book on the history of men's

1065
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,480
beauty essentially, and it's really fascinating. Honestly, I guess that's

1066
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,960
all we're doing this podcast today, but it was.

1067
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 2: It's great, Yeah, it's It is interesting because it used

1068
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,039
to be extremely normal, at least for a certain class

1069
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,639
of people through throughout most of history.

1070
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: Literally up until the Enlightenment, which is when men thought that,

1071
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:44,960
like there was a division.

1072
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 4: Before Enlightenment, men and women were considered equal.

1073
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,679
Speaker 1: And then Enlightenment happened and men were like, actually, we

1074
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,920
think you guys are just not as good as us.

1075
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,679
Speaker 3: Yeah God knew, yeah, God knew men were better.

1076
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: Well, and that's when they decided to like it was, it.

1077
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: Was a move towards like natural and.

1078
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: Like usefulness versus like appearances. I think like men want

1079
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,960
to be useful, not like pretty, which I guess you

1080
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,480
guys want in that sense, Like you guys.

1081
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: Like you were right, Like you guys did it did

1082
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:15,119
a whole lot.

1083
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:19,559
Speaker 1: Post enlightenment, when you stop caring about beauty, you can

1084
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:21,159
just get a lot more shit done.

1085
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,079
Speaker 4: Turns out, that's that's true cord in history.

1086
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,639
Speaker 2: That's why they were making makeup for you know, Paleli

1087
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,360
people making makeup. They didn't invent farming for an extra

1088
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:30,960
fifty thousand.

1089
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: They were too busy. Glamoring takes up years of women's lives.

1090
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,199
When you add it all up at the end of

1091
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:40,159
the end of your life, you're you're spending years in

1092
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,079
the make in like Maile salons, in like hair salons.

1093
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,559
Speaker 2: You guys getting ready to go out just in the morning.

1094
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: How many hours every year?

1095
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,199
Speaker 4: Don't even ask me that question.

1096
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 2: It's a lot, to be fair, a lot of CEOs.

1097
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: A little that's true.

1098
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: Well, they have like blood boys.

1099
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,119
Speaker 4: Let's not even talk about the orange man in office

1100
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:06,239
because he needs some tips.

1101
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:13,159
Speaker 1: His spray tan or makeup application is god awful. Look,

1102
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,920
it's it's I think the artist hates him.

1103
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't hit the hairline.

1104
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,079
Speaker 4: It No, it doesn't even go to the ears.

1105
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,679
Speaker 1: If you look at his ears, you can see where

1106
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:23,840
where he looks like.

1107
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: He's getting ready for a competition for bodybuilding.

1108
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's splotchy as it's not.

1109
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: It's not all the way there, no, but he.

1110
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,679
Speaker 4: Does it for a reason to look presentable for camera.

1111
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: I've seen photoshop pictures of him without the spray tan,

1112
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:40,199
and it's the right move. Even if it's not put

1113
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,079
on correct.

1114
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 4: Right, he's uglier without it. That's what's terrifying.

1115
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 3: I like the slick back, slickback, Donnie.

1116
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the orange, the tone.

1117
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,599
Speaker 1: Can we just add a little bit more like, I

1118
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:56,280
don't know, green to that formula because it's going way orange.

1119
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 2: Naturalize it, yeah, it would.

1120
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 4: The orange is yeah, is a different I think he

1121
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:00,880
has your issues.

1122
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:01,199
Speaker 3: Right now.

1123
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: At this point. So we totally enliightenment and how that

1124
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,800
was really what like killed male makeup. But it was

1125
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,360
not a in the ancient world even like a blanket

1126
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,360
thing where it's like, oh, everyone wears makeup. The Greeks

1127
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,079
and Romans were actually like pretty They wore a little bit,

1128
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:20,599
but they were pretty low key.

1129
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: You found in Father's little powder they did.

1130
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: I'll talk about that a little bit, but it kind

1131
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,800
of gets it kind of gets a lot more uniform

1132
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,840
after the Fall of Rome in terms of like you're

1133
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,679
basically doing one thing for a thousand years, which is

1134
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,400
some light powder and rouge. Yeah, that's kind of the

1135
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,880
move for literally like a thousand years. Again for the

1136
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,519
same reason to look like this, I look naturally.

1137
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 3: How did they dress up their eunuch slaves.

1138
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,119
Speaker 2: Probably a lot of powder and a lot of ruge.

1139
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,159
You want to look cherubic, right, like you want.

1140
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:57,039
Speaker 1: To look That's why you just go shoot in with

1141
00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,639
the red that you guys were not even blending, just

1142
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,840
putting the red right on the cheeks like.

1143
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,559
Speaker 2: A little cartoon orphan anny situation.

1144
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:07,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1145
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they want them to look obviously if they're

1146
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,039
unicized or whoever whatever word it is. For that you

1147
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:15,920
want to look boyish.

1148
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,679
Speaker 3: They need to appear like they're enjoying it.

1149
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,079
Speaker 2: Just paint a smile on their face, but a smile

1150
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,199
on that face. So the Greeks of the Romans were

1151
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,880
they were way less ostentatious than Egypt or Mesopotamia. Greek

1152
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,800
men favored a natural appearance in general, they did use

1153
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,039
cosmetics a little bit, basically like a light based situation.

1154
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: Just a light beat.

1155
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, athletes were a little more. They would do

1156
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,280
a little more. You oil up, they did. It was

1157
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,280
less for the face actually, but they would oil up

1158
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,719
their skin before exercise or competitions to.

1159
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: Uh, wrestling, you don't want to get grabbed.

1160
00:53:55,039 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: You don't want to get grabbed. But it would also

1161
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:03,199
like in a bodybuilding competition and show off that physique. Yeah,

1162
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,000
show off that bod.

1163
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: Dom Mazeti once said ninety five percent of fitness is lighting.

1164
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,119
It's not wrong.

1165
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:12,519
Speaker 2: I agree with that. But face makeup not really used

1166
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,920
in Greece, was not a big thing in Greece. It

1167
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,360
was associated with women and quote unquote barbarian cultures. Yeah,

1168
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,280
so the Greeks. What's what about the Greeks is that

1169
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,840
they did a lot of cool stuff, but outside of Alexander,

1170
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,880
who was like barely Greek, they never really had an empire.

1171
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,880
They never really spread beyond their little A, G and

1172
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:38,559
C realm. But they still looked out at everyone and

1173
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,679
we're like, you guys are pieces of shit. Like they

1174
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,840
were way more impressive bigger empires like the Persian Empire,

1175
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,320
and they would just look at them and be.

1176
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: Like, fucking try hard.

1177
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: Well, these guys are fucking losers.

1178
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's cool to appreciate what you have. Maybe that's

1179
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,440
what Greece wanted to do.

1180
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't.

1181
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 3: Grass is always greener scenario. It's just like we like,

1182
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,000
we're cool with Athens. Why go anywhere else?

1183
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: It's like a New Yorker, I ain't got to leave

1184
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,320
New York.

1185
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,599
Speaker 3: Got everything right here, best sitting in the world, am

1186
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:11,920
I right?

1187
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: Fellas wrestlers would also they would use oil to show

1188
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,559
off their uh lub up their physique, but they would

1189
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,199
also like they would dust their bodies with fine powders

1190
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,800
as well, and that would also like double up to

1191
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,280
even show the physique even more.

1192
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,199
Speaker 4: That makes sense, Yeah, you really want that shine.

1193
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:32,199
Speaker 1: IM wearing body oil today, so like it's it just

1194
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,920
makes your skin look healthy.

1195
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 4: You guys need to try wearing lotion. I swear you

1196
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:37,840
just get put it on.

1197
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: My face, my body. Look at Dan up my whole body.

1198
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 4: Dan should try lubing up daily, right, Yeah.

1199
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:52,519
Speaker 3: You can see the No, then I could pop top?

1200
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you get to pop top? Promised to

1201
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:56,159
pop top on the.

1202
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:58,559
Speaker 3: Show, and he hasn't done it yet by September Bicy.

1203
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,559
Speaker 4: Okay, what's the weight goal for the pop top I.

1204
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:04,039
Speaker 3: Don't have a goal. No, I just want to I

1205
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,000
want to look healthy, slim.

1206
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: The amount of time it's going to take you to

1207
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,519
do lighting on that episode, yeah, no, it's gonna be obsceeved.

1208
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:14,039
Speaker 1: I'm going to come in from makeup. I can do

1209
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:15,920
some body contouring with some.

1210
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, lout me up.

1211
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, just get olive oil, yeah and some dust. Rome

1212
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,760
was a little bit more into face makeup than the

1213
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,400
Greeks were, but the Romans were still like they kind

1214
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,079
of had that, honestly, that Enlightenment mindset. And I assume

1215
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:36,840
that the Enlightenment, because that was around the same time

1216
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,920
as Rome kind of came back into vogue. The Enlightenment

1217
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,480
at the same time as or the Enlightenment informed all

1218
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,079
of our founding fathers, right, who were super into Rome.

1219
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,800
So presumably that probably the Roman views on a lot

1220
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,519
of things influenced that, including the fact that they were

1221
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:56,679
the same way they were like, we're men, were restrained,

1222
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:58,360
we're conservative.

1223
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,559
Speaker 4: We're thinkers, were not have to look good, just think.

1224
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: A lot, right, So face makeup was acceptable, but it

1225
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:08,960
had to be subtle. Excessive use was actually lampooned as

1226
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:12,599
a gay basically effeminate.

1227
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 4: The worst thing to be feminine, yees in Like there.

1228
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,199
Speaker 2: Were their satirical works from the from the time, from

1229
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,519
writers like Juvenile and Marshall who were just like would

1230
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:26,840
just rip on people who guys who wore too much makeup, well.

1231
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:29,239
Speaker 4: And they're kind of right, like it should be natural.

1232
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:31,079
Speaker 1: Like if it's if you can see it and notice it,

1233
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,119
like you've done it wrong.

1234
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,719
Speaker 2: Right. That's for women too, Yes.

1235
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:37,599
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, like they were onto something. So just make

1236
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:40,440
it more natural and you'll you're fine.

1237
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,639
Speaker 3: Rob tell these bitches out to dress.

1238
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Oxford never goes out of style. I'm not wrong,

1239
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:53,639
so you can laugh all you want. Elite men. Actually,

1240
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,559
so again at this point, this is only for the

1241
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:59,239
elite anyway, Like the commoners aren't really doing maybe some

1242
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,159
middle classes doing it. But if you did wear too

1243
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:07,000
much makeup, you were shunning. No, you would get gossiped

1244
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:07,719
about girl.

1245
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: That's still true today, so nothing's changed.

1246
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,639
Speaker 2: Look at what he's wearing, so tacky.

1247
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,559
Speaker 4: So obvious, that rouge too much.

1248
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: One of the worst offenders of makeup in ancient Rome

1249
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,920
for having too much, wearing too much. Nero Unsurprisingly, he's

1250
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,559
an ugly man. Yeah, he was a horrifically have have

1251
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:32,480
you seen a picture of Nero?

1252
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:33,119
Speaker 4: No show me.

1253
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: This is what Nero allegedly looked like.

1254
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,079
Speaker 3: Uh, it's also a terrifying face to see.

1255
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: It's not good being. I do understand burned alive for

1256
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,159
a party. Yeah, I do understand wanting makeup on.

1257
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,599
Speaker 3: Ginger thar yeah, red hair, No, Yeah.

1258
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:53,239
Speaker 4: It's bad.

1259
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: It's like your husband's earn it.

1260
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 4: He's way hotter.

1261
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:05,159
Speaker 2: Than your husband's gross cousin, not your husband, that's true.

1262
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:06,840
Like there could be one creature.

1263
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like if you know he let himself go,

1264
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,199
maybe maybe no show him that could be his future.

1265
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 4: Just threaten him.

1266
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to keep it tight, keep it tighter.

1267
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:25,480
This is what you're gonna look like. Romans, like everyone else,

1268
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:31,119
led lead, white lead, lead all fucking over. They were

1269
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:34,159
drinking lead, they were putting lead on their face, they

1270
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:39,039
were doing goddamn everything again. They wanted to have light appearance.

1271
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:42,199
Actually a good comp you've seen it. I have not

1272
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,079
seen it, but I've I've seen the pictures. I don't

1273
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:45,800
know if you've seen or not. But the emperors and

1274
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,519
Gladiator too, very like they had like powder on their

1275
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:54,039
face and rouge on the That's essentially the look that

1276
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:57,039
was going for and that was probably like the absolute

1277
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:02,239
extreme of what you could do. And one of the

1278
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:03,880
reasons they would do this again it was light in

1279
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,880
the skin. They would do it especially for appearances. They

1280
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,519
would necessarily do it every day, but if they need

1281
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:08,960
to make a public appearance, so they need to.

1282
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 4: It was political, yeah.

1283
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:13,079
Speaker 2: They so. Cicero when he would speak to the Senate

1284
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,480
would make sure he was camera ready.

1285
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: Cyrus the Great, the Persian Emperor, whenever he would conquer

1286
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,880
a new place, like he would take the leader of

1287
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,519
that place and like take him to the salon for

1288
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,320
like a makeover. Like have you seen like that America

1289
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,760
Sweethearts DCC show on Netflix where like one of the

1290
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,239
episodes is like the makeover episode where they take all

1291
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,719
the girls who are like from you know, wherever the

1292
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,239
fuck like in this you know, in the States, and

1293
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,280
they give him like the Texas like girl treatment, like

1294
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,079
with the hair and like the makeup just to all

1295
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:45,079
look like this same.

1296
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like a Texas.

1297
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: Beauty version of like of like a makeover and so

1298
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,000
that's what he was doing with his new like would council.

1299
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: Persia by him.

1300
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he would make it look.

1301
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: Like him, yes, but but yeah, make him look like better,

1302
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:02,159
argive him to makeover and be like here's your makeup artist,

1303
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,800
and here's what you're gonna wear, and here's the blush

1304
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:05,519
and yeah.

1305
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: The Persons were very good at like assimilating anybody that

1306
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,119
that is there.

1307
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:13,679
Speaker 2: The Persians are. There's actually a chapter of the Bible

1308
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,599
that literally just talked about how dope Cyrus is. Yea,

1309
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:19,880
because Cyrus was liberated them from Babylon, Yeah, and left

1310
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,039
them practice their own religion.

1311
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: They loved him and they had been makeover and they

1312
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,320
were like, oh my god, you're the greatest conqueror I've

1313
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:25,840
ever had.

1314
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 4: Was so nice.

1315
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,719
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, but I assume part of it

1316
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,079
was to make the king look more Persian. Yeah, right,

1317
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:36,199
so it was like, look, he's into us, so you

1318
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:37,159
should be into us.

1319
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:40,599
Speaker 3: To write, and they were actually pretty original Arians.

1320
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how. I don't know where blonde

1321
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:45,480
came from.

1322
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they dyed everyone's hair black. That was one

1323
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:49,519
thing that they did to make him look similar is

1324
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,880
they would dye all the council the hair, the hair

1325
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,280
black to look alike.

1326
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,199
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Yeah, because they had naturally black hair the most.

1327
01:01:59,360 --> 01:01:59,599
Speaker 4: I think so.

1328
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the Persians, the great. Yeah, so he would

1329
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,320
want all of his guys to look have the same

1330
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,639
haircut and the same color.

1331
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: Your boys just ride and deep.

1332
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,039
Speaker 3: Everybody looks the same girl rock and gold chains.

1333
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep.

1334
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,039
Speaker 3: Wearing too much perfume.

1335
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:17,719
Speaker 2: Again, this white lead that they put on their faces toxic,

1336
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,320
would cause skin lesions, hair loss would of course make

1337
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,280
them crazy. And this they knew this, by the way,

1338
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,639
They did know this, and they still didn't care. They

1339
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:31,880
didn't care. And they also again they would put rouge

1340
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,159
on and stuff like that same thing made from ochre,

1341
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,920
carmine plant and other plant based eyes and stuff like that.

1342
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,760
Rouge allegedly enhanced a man's vigor, so it would make

1343
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:50,000
you seem more whatever, just cornier, stronger, and hornier. Julius Caesar,

1344
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:57,599
who was known as a meticulous groomer. That's probably in

1345
01:02:57,639 --> 01:02:59,519
both ways, to be honest, that's yeah true.

1346
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, one case where could be used in both Yeah.

1347
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: Double groomer. Yeah, he almost certainly was a rouge queen.

1348
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 4: Good for him.

1349
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:16,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, like absolutely sure again camera ready for his triumphs.

1350
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,880
He would when whenever you do his military parades in Rome, Afre,

1351
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,360
he conquered someplace in Gaul or whatever, make up on

1352
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,519
point during the parade.

1353
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:24,519
Speaker 4: Blush blindness.

1354
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,239
Speaker 3: Really, I think before every podcast you should go full

1355
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,079
Mulan rouge. Let's just get you all dialed up. Baby.

1356
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh, just put me in a some lingerie.

1357
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:39,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, like just saying that one Yeah, yeah, I.

1358
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 3: Don't care, just rouged up.

1359
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:43,079
Speaker 2: Oh I'll just come into lingerie one day.

1360
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah that's fine. I'll skip the lingerie that your family

1361
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,840
friend bought for your wife. Yeah, we talked about off like.

1362
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if I ever told that story on air,

1363
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:56,599
but one of my family friends, Uh, for our engagement party,

1364
01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:00,320
people brought presents and stuff like that, and most people

1365
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,559
brought like plates or something, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1366
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,320
we didn't even ask for presents. But I remember when

1367
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,119
our present, some people brought like silverware, plates or whatever.

1368
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:12,079
And this one family friend who had known me since

1369
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:16,880
I was a baby, walked into a store picked out

1370
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,559
lingerie from my wife, presumably, looked at it and thought

1371
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,719
got excited. This will give rob an erection and gifted

1372
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:25,480
it to my wife.

1373
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 3: How did they know her?

1374
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,719
Speaker 4: That's what I was just gonna ask that. Did they

1375
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:29,239
get it right?

1376
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? They did. I don't know skinny, so it's yeah whatever. Yeah,

1377
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:37,559
but boobs aze varies. Yeah, that's true. I don't know

1378
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:38,360
how they got the cup.

1379
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:41,159
Speaker 4: Size right, that's concerning.

1380
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, just took one look at a photo and

1381
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,960
was like, I got this. Yeah that's the super rec

1382
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:50,880
did fit because she did put it on and be

1383
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,840
like this is the one that was a joke. Yeah,

1384
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,440
this is the one they gave me. And I was like,

1385
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,360
now that's his go to set. Now you look pretty good.

1386
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,159
To be honest, I'm not gonna lie. Damn it, damn it,

1387
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:01,760
missus Red.

1388
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:02,519
Speaker 3: What was the brand?

1389
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't remember. It was Cohl's actually, Uh.

1390
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,920
Some Egyptian men liked to once they conquered Egypt, or

1391
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,159
like Egypt became a protectorate, they did kind of like

1392
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:20,119
to imitate the Egyptian stuff a little bit. But that

1393
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:24,039
was almost like the equivalent of like an all emo

1394
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:27,199
kid wearing makeup. But you could do it, and but

1395
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:28,800
people would look at East sideways.

1396
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:29,719
Speaker 4: It was too far.

1397
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: It was a little too far, like it could be

1398
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,000
pulled off like you could Pete Wentz it. Yeah, and

1399
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:36,840
you can walk around and if you were powerful enough

1400
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,280
or famous enough like Pete Wentz was, people will be like,

1401
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:40,840
all right, well it works for him, I guess, but

1402
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:43,280
that's still kind of fucking weird.

1403
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Pete Wentz looked good an eyeliner.

1404
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. The one people in Rome that were allowed to

1405
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,719
use makeup pretty much NonStop was like actors and stuff

1406
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:55,039
like that.

1407
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 4: You know, well you have to stay.

1408
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, actors ironically and musicians and I don't know if

1409
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,559
maybe we should go back to this. Uh, they were

1410
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,480
considered gross and low class in ancient Rome.

1411
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 4: Let's bring that back.

1412
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: I never stopped, never stopped, like if you were, if

1413
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,760
you were a creative in ancient Rome, like people would

1414
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,360
be like, they want to go see things, but that

1415
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:19,519
is a that was a low class profession. Agreed. Yeah,

1416
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:22,719
as a filmmaker myself and you being the actor.

1417
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys both have been in many things.

1418
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with it. We're garbage, absolute garbage.

1419
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,599
It was also seen as like foreign and feminine, so

1420
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:33,480
they didn't again like.

1421
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 5: Pete webs Fey feminine bad.

1422
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Greek restraint obviously influenced the Romans. It did

1423
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,079
get a little wilder during the Imperial period the more

1424
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:50,400
they got integrated with the East, but it didn't ever

1425
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,400
go full bore. And from what I can tell, European makeup,

1426
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,840
like I said, through the Middle Ages was pretty much

1427
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,880
the same. The Catholic Church really down on it. This

1428
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,719
is all the way from even like Saint Augustine in

1429
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,599
the fifth century, all the week we stepped up, Yeah,

1430
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:08,920
all the way through John Wycliffe in the fourteenth century.

1431
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,920
A lot of riders are just.

1432
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 4: Like this is dumb.

1433
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: It's it's extravagant.

1434
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 4: It's a waste of time, right, Yeah, and it is.

1435
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,320
It's silly, it is fun.

1436
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 2: It is very funny.

1437
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1438
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,679
Speaker 2: That men are kind of like shit on for being

1439
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:27,559
like this is stupid in a waste of time. But

1440
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:31,719
women are championed like Pam Anderson, right, yeah, being like

1441
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,239
make up stupid. I don't want to wear it. I'm

1442
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:34,000
gonna go natural.

1443
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they're like, you crazy bitch, why would you

1444
01:07:37,519 --> 01:07:37,880
do that?

1445
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: Wild? Yeah, look at you. She still looks good.

1446
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,039
Speaker 4: But Christians like hated like make up too for that reason.

1447
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:46,679
They were like this is to be so concerned with

1448
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:49,480
yourself and your appearance is ungodly.

1449
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:55,559
Speaker 2: It was ungodly, and it was also uh pagan. Yeah,

1450
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:58,639
because the Pagans would still be painting their faces. They're

1451
01:07:58,639 --> 01:07:59,880
doing whatever they would do.

1452
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,639
Speaker 3: Also, they had a hard enough time keeping their hands

1453
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:03,400
off the altar boys.

1454
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: As is right. You put some extra rouge on an altar.

1455
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 4: Boys, boys aren't safe no more.

1456
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 3: Then you go back to being full Roman.

1457
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,039
Speaker 2: No, that's that's blood in the water, rouge on an

1458
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:17,640
altar boys, blood in a shark filled pool.

1459
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 3: Gross.

1460
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,319
Speaker 2: Despite the clergy being against the rich, people in kings

1461
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,319
and stuff would still and even bishops sometimes would still

1462
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:33,880
use it to just obviously again they're mostly making themselves

1463
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,840
pale with some rouge to make themselves appear refined, not

1464
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,319
field workers. Blah blah blah. So a lot of it,

1465
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:41,920
and this happens all throughout history. Essentially is if you're

1466
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,920
rich enough, you can kind of tell the church to

1467
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,680
fuck off. Yeah, like you can't Henry the Eighth it,

1468
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,239
but you, to a large extent you can be like, man,

1469
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:51,399
what are you gonna do.

1470
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: That's not for me. That rules not for me. It

1471
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,000
applies to the pleebs down there.

1472
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like you might need me more than

1473
01:08:57,039 --> 01:08:59,199
I need you sometimes, So I'm just gonna I'm gonna

1474
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:02,079
powder up and ignore that rule. Yeah you can, you

1475
01:09:02,119 --> 01:09:06,960
can fuck off. Thankfully they did dump lead during this time.

1476
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,199
Lead was used quite a bit less during the Middle Ages.

1477
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 3: Supply issue.

1478
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 2: No, they just finally were like, yeah, I don't want

1479
01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:19,319
my face to be gross.

1480
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 4: It was like skin Yeah.

1481
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like I looked like I did look

1482
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,600
good at the party, but I washed my face.

1483
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,520
Speaker 4: The next day and now there's holes in it.

1484
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a nightmare. Uh, what happened to it?

1485
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:35,319
Makeup does make a comeback though in the Renaissance, yep,

1486
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,439
all the way up to the end of the eighteenth

1487
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:38,920
century to the Enlightenment.

1488
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,159
Speaker 3: Brings to one man.

1489
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: What you're gonna get a Dvinci credit for that? Of course?

1490
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:45,680
Probably right?

1491
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 3: He did everything else.

1492
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 2: No, Da Vinci was a hobo.

1493
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,199
Speaker 3: Da Vinci was a genius.

1494
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 2: But he was like hobo life. He had no time

1495
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,600
for anything other than not making.

1496
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 3: Not a hobo came from a poor family.

1497
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he just he was like Howard Hughes at

1498
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,520
his worst, you know what I mean, like just peeing

1499
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,159
in jars and drawing airplanes. So that was all he

1500
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:09,600
was doing.

1501
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:11,359
Speaker 3: It's a simple life.

1502
01:10:13,279 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 2: At least Howard Hughes made them.

1503
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 3: Uh he's a man before the time he was supposed

1504
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:18,960
to be in.

1505
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 2: Clearly it did become more prominent. Uh a lot like

1506
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,840
obviously was in with wealthy people, but even without, like

1507
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,239
even in middle classes and stuff like that too. The

1508
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:33,279
Italian and French, of course, were the at the forefront

1509
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:34,560
of that.

1510
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if the checks are it doesn't.

1511
01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:38,359
Speaker 2: Feel very German.

1512
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,319
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't very British, very Irish.

1513
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. But Russia no, no, no, certainly not. Those people

1514
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,199
are fully backwards at this.

1515
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:53,319
Speaker 3: Point, except uh, when Peter the Great came back and

1516
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,680
forced everybody to shave their beards, right.

1517
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: Forced them to share their beards, and then they adopted

1518
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,800
friend there's several times in Russian history where they're like,

1519
01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:02,479
oh my god, we're the grossest people on this country.

1520
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,199
We have about it.

1521
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 4: And shaved beard.

1522
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 3: I think it was Peter the Great made everybody shave

1523
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,880
their beard and kind of have like a traditional European look.

1524
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 2: He went to France and was like, they thought I

1525
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,319
was a caveman, and the goddamn king of a country,

1526
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:20,000
and they thought I was a hobo.

1527
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: Sometimes that clean shaven look makes you just look like

1528
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,279
a real like a real man professional.

1529
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: I agree.

1530
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 1: Beardless, stupid beardless guy right here, compared to this spiking

1531
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,279
over here, which vikings. There's actually a law that you

1532
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:39,760
could not cut a man's hair off without his consent

1533
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,199
because they really value their hair.

1534
01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:45,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, in Norse culture.

1535
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 4: In Nordic culture, yeah, they loved their beards. They wore

1536
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,479
long hair their dreads and stuff.

1537
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they would tie their little man buns into

1538
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,000
battle to like keep their hair out of their face.

1539
01:11:55,119 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 2: Well you don't want it. You don't want someone yanking

1540
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:57,319
you from behind.

1541
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,039
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and maybe the sword would cut their ponytail off,

1542
01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:01,920
Like that'd be awful.

1543
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 4: We gotta tuck it in.

1544
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: I actually do like a ponytail down the back to

1545
01:12:05,039 --> 01:12:07,760
protect from a sword swing. Just get a thick braid.

1546
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.

1547
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,520
Speaker 4: What I mean, just avoid that sword to the neck.

1548
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,239
Speaker 2: It's just an extra little bit of like their distance. Yeah,

1549
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:17,079
they would put sometimes in World War Two, they would

1550
01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:20,359
put logs on the side of tanks. Obviously a log

1551
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:21,920
is not gonna do much to a shell, but just

1552
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,600
that little just kind of keep it.

1553
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 3: They were unstable, they went full berserker mode. They're high

1554
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:27,680
on mushrooms.

1555
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:33,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're absolute lunatics. Another reason people start to like

1556
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:35,199
make up in this time period, by the way, covered

1557
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,760
blemishes from diseases like smallpox.

1558
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,159
Speaker 1: Which that's gonna give you some some some marks on

1559
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:41,840
your face, like.

1560
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, acne, scarring times a million.

1561
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, that hyper pigmentation is gonna jump out.

1562
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They also just in general, the Renaissance was

1563
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,399
very artsy, so they just encourage men to express themselves,

1564
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,600
you know what I mean, just glow up however you want,

1565
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,800
especially again in Italy and France, they want.

1566
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 3: To mention how rampant were the STDs back then.

1567
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:05,079
Speaker 2: Horrifics.

1568
01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 3: If you got syphilis, it's a gnarly situation down there.

1569
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,359
Speaker 2: You can cover, it's a gnarly situation in your whole body,

1570
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:12,920
I know.

1571
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,199
Speaker 3: But were there marks? I imagine have.

1572
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:17,079
Speaker 2: You ever seen the face of a syphilitic woman?

1573
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 3: Now, oh boy, I don't know much about cyphialis actually,

1574
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,439
except that a killed out capone.

1575
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah he got out before it was too bad. Oh god,

1576
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:30,439
oh yeah, this is the one I saw.

1577
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,359
Speaker 3: She have no doors or something.

1578
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:34,319
Speaker 2: She might have been.

1579
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 3: Does she lose something?

1580
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:42,199
Speaker 2: This is a woman with syphilis. Ah, what would your

1581
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:43,560
skincare routine be for her?

1582
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 4: Kill you myself? Just end it.

1583
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,359
Speaker 1: No, there's nothing to be done. There's no laser in

1584
01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:52,119
the world that can fix that.

1585
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,560
Speaker 2: At that point, you just go to the island of

1586
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,359
misfit syphilitics.

1587
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 4: And just fall off a cliff.

1588
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 2: That's pretty much the end of it. The Baroque period

1589
01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:06,359
saw male face makeup reach its peak. Particularly it did

1590
01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:08,319
get all the way to England, but France and Spain

1591
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:13,319
as well. Elaborate appearances were essentially a display of power. Right,

1592
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,119
The more makeup you had, the more elaborate you were

1593
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:17,640
with the wig and everything.

1594
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 4: They love their wigs.

1595
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: The richer you were. Yeah, and the story also I

1596
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,600
did read that wigs were They did also have a

1597
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:31,560
a normal you like, a practical use, which is lice. Yea. Yeah,

1598
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,239
you cut your hair off so you don't.

1599
01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:35,520
Speaker 1: Get lise Sah, you're bald under the wig, and then

1600
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,319
you just PLoP it on when you're going out, which is.

1601
01:14:38,319 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 4: Great also because jump to your hair. Have you tried

1602
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,399
have you thought about a wig?

1603
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:42,319
Speaker 2: Wig? Actually?

1604
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, just go full bald and get a wig of

1605
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,479
your own hair. You should consider that.

1606
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,359
Speaker 2: I might. That sounds way better, way easier.

1607
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, just no bad head ever.

1608
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh my god, I'm down.

1609
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,039
Speaker 2: I would have to wear it during sex.

1610
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 3: So I don't you just shave your head.

1611
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 2: Rob, Why not? I'll wig. I'll make a wig out

1612
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,920
of my own hair, shave my head. Yeah that sounds fine. Honestly,

1613
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,359
it sounds better. They did go back to using lead.

1614
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:10,720
That's a face white hair.

1615
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:17,199
Speaker 3: H Yeah, you just default back old habits die. Yeah.

1616
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:21,039
Speaker 2: The face makeup was especially big for candle light balls.

1617
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:22,800
You wanted to stand out in the low light, which

1618
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,840
I don't even understand because low light is everybody's good

1619
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:26,359
a game.

1620
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you look your best.

1621
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say everyone's a game. Sometimes that low light,

1622
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,479
especially in the right angle, you can look like cast.

1623
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 4: It casts the wrong shadows. That's why you have the makeup.

1624
01:15:38,079 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 2: What the lighting situation that you're running, it's gonna.

1625
01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:43,119
Speaker 4: Be low lighting, guys, prepare yourselves. Yeah, a lot of

1626
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:44,399
candle a lot of candle light.

1627
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, love that.

1628
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 2: The last thing you want it is to be like

1629
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,760
noon outside direct right white light.

1630
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:52,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1631
01:15:52,199 --> 01:15:53,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, we're.

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01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 1: Gonna hire some cloud cover to get that diffusion light.

1633
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, maybe have some cloud seed a little bit before. Right,

1634
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:02,920
They did this in ancient Rome too, but in this

1635
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,239
period that basically this is like French Revolution American Revolution

1636
01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:10,880
time period. Uh, they would put little black patches glued

1637
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,680
to their face to cover blemishes. But this would apparently

1638
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:17,439
be like a charming thing. There would be shapes like

1639
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:18,840
stars or crescents.

1640
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: That's so crazy because that's that's in fashion.

1641
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 4: Now. Have you seen girls wearing their.

1642
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: Pimple patches out in the world. They have like they

1643
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,159
have stars, so they didn't may pimple patches now in

1644
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:35,640
different shapes star that's true, and you're a parent, don't

1645
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,680
go out. Well let me tell you guys, the pimple

1646
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:42,239
patches are a thing and they're an accessory now, so

1647
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:44,600
they have nothing changes nothing stars.

1648
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 3: You tell me the world has nothing to offer me.

1649
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,560
Speaker 4: Thank you, no, stay home, nothing.

1650
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:51,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, they would wear men would wear all this stuff.

1651
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,760
Hearts as well, I guess was another shape. Women would

1652
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,560
be like, oh, look at that guy with that cool patch.

1653
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,199
Definitely out to.

1654
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,239
Speaker 3: The bar and do like a licoln stick under my eye,

1655
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:03,279
yeah and be okay.

1656
01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1657
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,279
Speaker 2: But of course at the same time this was happening,

1658
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,319
Puritans were like.

1659
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:11,199
Speaker 4: Makeup.

1660
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look at these fucking losers. But obviously they

1661
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,920
didn't win out. No. However, the two things that killed

1662
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:25,479
it were like, really put the final nail in the

1663
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:29,720
coffin where the French Revolution because they hated the aristocrats.

1664
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:35,399
Anyone wearing makeup was right. Yeah uh, And the rise

1665
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:40,079
of Romanticism kind of shifted male ideals towards like rugged

1666
01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:44,199
natural masculinity, mountain man, my makeup is the dirt on

1667
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:44,760
my face.

1668
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 4: That's still in style.

1669
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 2: I would say that's one hundred percent still.

1670
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 3: So you gotta think the women caught on a little

1671
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,199
faster not to kind of lather themselves in oil when

1672
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:57,039
they were accused of being a witch. You go up

1673
01:17:57,159 --> 01:17:57,760
way faster.

1674
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: I think that's actually ideal. Yeah, you want to burn

1675
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,680
faster or slip out of the rope.

1676
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,520
Speaker 5: We can't hang her slippery.

1677
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she keeps sliding witchcraft and you go up for

1678
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,279
the last thing you want to do is have a

1679
01:18:15,359 --> 01:18:17,119
long burning at the stake.

1680
01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:19,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, just go straight up.

1681
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 2: And the whole point is get it done as fast

1682
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,359
as possible.

1683
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: If you go up too quick and you die too fast,

1684
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,159
it's kind of embarrassing, though.

1685
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: Not for you. No, I don't think you're worried about

1686
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,000
what other people are thinking of that.

1687
01:18:31,079 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 3: It's like, wow, you only went thirty seconds.

1688
01:18:33,279 --> 01:18:36,119
Speaker 2: I think everyone's opinions on you have been finalized. When

1689
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,239
you're ring tied to a steak on top top of a.

1690
01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:42,279
Speaker 3: Pyre, you know it'll echo for eternity.

1691
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, the French the turn of the century, by

1692
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,920
eighteen hundred, basically makeup was more or less out for men,

1693
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,479
and it's been that way ever since.

1694
01:18:56,159 --> 01:19:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, a brief period of American history the presidents were

1695
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:04,800
makeup and the Congress did not like it.

1696
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:05,359
Speaker 4: Apparently.

1697
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:06,119
Speaker 2: When was that.

1698
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 4: This was Martin van Buren's presidency.

1699
01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 3: Oh, the van Buren boys.

1700
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: He had like cosmetics on his desk, and Congress was like, hey,

1701
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,119
this guy maybe isn't fit to run this country if

1702
01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:20,640
he's like concerned about how he looks.

1703
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:25,319
Speaker 2: That makes sense. He was the first and maybe only

1704
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:30,399
president in US history whose first language wasn't English. They

1705
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,359
hate that he was a Dutchman. Yeah, with the Dutch.

1706
01:19:33,399 --> 01:19:35,640
The Dutch don't strike me as a fancy people, though.

1707
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,520
Speaker 4: I think he was just trying to look the part.

1708
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, also, I think he was known as like

1709
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:41,000
pretty vain.

1710
01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 3: We just got done with Jackson at that point. You know,

1711
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:44,840
we're going from.

1712
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 2: The exact opposite of a makeup where.

1713
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 3: You know, one of the manliest guys of the time

1714
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:51,920
to some prissy.

1715
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 2: But Van Buren was his boy though, like van Buren

1716
01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:55,479
was the heir to Jackson.

1717
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if he saw the cosmetics, I'm sure Jackson

1718
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:58,560
separated him.

1719
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: And then William Henry Harrison right ran after him and

1720
01:20:03,119 --> 01:20:05,439
used that in his campaigns of like, this guy's too

1721
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,920
soft to be president if he's wearing makeup.

1722
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 2: Which is deeply ironic because William Henry Harrison died thirty

1723
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,279
or forty days into office, specifically because he wanted to

1724
01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:18,520
show how much of a man he was and not

1725
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,800
wear a jacket at his freezing cold inaugural speech, and

1726
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:22,720
he got sick and died.

1727
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: Yep, this is what masculinity does to you. It's just

1728
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:28,119
gonna kill you.

1729
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 2: It makes you. Allegedly, everyone remembers William Henry Harrison.

1730
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 4: How he died from his own.

1731
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 2: Ugh, that's all I got for today on the history

1732
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,239
of men's face makeup. What'd you guys learn today? Dan?

1733
01:20:44,079 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 3: Pretty much? Everything I don't really mess with the stuff.

1734
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,439
Call me old school Catholic, but.

1735
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: Not gonna put some lead eyeliner on.

1736
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that, start seeing stuff. Not

1737
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,359
gonna go full Egyptian like you.

1738
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,399
Speaker 2: I'll do some Egyptian eyeliner.

1739
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 4: Fuck it go crazy, yeah.

1740
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:01,199
Speaker 3: Full exotic.

1741
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, just I hope you do.

1742
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:09,119
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, let's every episode, let's have you wear lead

1743
01:21:09,159 --> 01:21:13,560
makeup until we see damaging results.

1744
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: I mean how long those episodes would get as I

1745
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,079
just go into an unhinged like lead psychosis.

1746
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,359
Speaker 4: M hm, listens would go way up.

1747
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1748
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1749
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 3: Like the visual aspect, maybe not so much because you

1750
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,600
will turn pretty fairal.

1751
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,079
Speaker 2: I think that would actually.

1752
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 5: Help vision could be good.

1753
01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:40,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, some raving, slobbering lunatic with killer eyeliner. Yeah.

1754
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:43,520
Speaker 3: Hello, yeah you look like a cat anally cat.

1755
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1756
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,159
Speaker 3: They just got into a little fight.

1757
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll probably just make that noise a lot too

1758
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:49,840
in your face.

1759
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1760
01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:53,319
Speaker 4: I can't wait. Can't I to see my wedding tan.

1761
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:54,640
That's gonna be something.

1762
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 5: I will to see.

1763
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited for.

1764
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: That Fox Tanned tune in October thirteenth or after what.

1765
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:02,079
Speaker 2: If I like it?

1766
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 3: Well, he's gonna this is the point.

1767
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 4: Yes, your wedding October thirteenth.

1768
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 2: Oh boy, it's gonna be a crazy weekend.

1769
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 4: Sorry, yep, what else do you have going on?

1770
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:16,039
Speaker 3: I can't don't say on air because it seems like

1771
01:22:16,039 --> 01:22:17,039
an off air conversation.

1772
01:22:17,279 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I can't say anymore because I don't think

1773
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:21,399
he's listening.

1774
01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 4: But just in case, well, certainly you'll end with a bang?

1775
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:25,439
Which is the wedding?

1776
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 2: Exactly would you learn to day, Christina?

1777
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: I learned that you guys are afraid of makeup still,

1778
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:35,439
that it persists, but you're more open to it, Rob,

1779
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:36,520
which I would have assumed.

1780
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm already beautiful, Dan, I've probably I've certainly worn more

1781
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:41,720
makeup in my life that Dan.

1782
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,039
Speaker 4: I was a theater kid, certainly.

1783
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, quite a bit of makeup applied to me back

1784
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:46,199
in the day.

1785
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and lead makeup. Maybe let's bring it back for

1786
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:55,840
like certain world theaters. I don't know, it could be interesting.

1787
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have some fun anymore big ones anyway, in like.

1788
01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 4: Killer Islander again, Like if you're going to fight a war,

1789
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:06,000
at least look good doing it.

1790
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, And then we do a thing on every show.

1791
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,640
I guess you said you did some homework on it.

1792
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:11,039
Speaker 4: I did.

1793
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 2: But who is today's Hitler?

1794
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 4: Today's Hitler?

1795
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,279
Speaker 1: Honestly, that Viking guy that you should not Viiking guy,

1796
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:24,399
the read guy nero him with his face, that good choice.

1797
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bad. He is. He is generally looking in

1798
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:31,640
many ways, just as bad as Hitler, not as prolific,

1799
01:23:32,079 --> 01:23:36,520
but an absolute psychopath and horrible to look at. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

1800
01:23:38,359 --> 01:23:39,439
but you who's your Hitler to that?

1801
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 3: So the guy that brought back Lead into the fold, Yeah.

1802
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't know, man, this stuff is

1803
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,159
everywhere and then it works. Yeah.

1804
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 3: It's kind of like trends these days, where you're going

1805
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:55,760
back to those old school diets or those old school

1806
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:57,359
fashion trends.

1807
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,319
Speaker 2: I would actually make really love if truthism became a

1808
01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:03,960
thing where people like the belonging to you Lead's flying.

1809
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1810
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,279
Speaker 3: There's people that are anti sunscreen.

1811
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,119
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. Don't even get me started. That's

1812
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:09,880
a different podcast.

1813
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 2: That's a self selecting group anyway, truly.

1814
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, let nature take its course, That's what I say.

1815
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,079
Speaker 2: They won't breed as much and they'll.

1816
01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 4: They'll die early.

1817
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So that's fine if you don't like sunscreen

1818
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:25,199
mazletof Today's hitler, though.

1819
01:24:25,079 --> 01:24:29,399
Speaker 3: Is you compare me to a neanderthal multiple times.

1820
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: Not intellectually, just visually. In fact that you don't understand

1821
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,039
that makes me want to start comparing you intellectually.

1822
01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 3: It wasn't that you kind of alluded to it that

1823
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:45,920
you have to say, actually one number once when I

1824
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,479
see you outside, I'm gonna bash you over the head

1825
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,600
with a stick like a neanderthal. Damn it.

1826
01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:02,319
Speaker 2: This point Danrichester at Christina Montemeo our expert makeup artist.

1827
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,399
We love you, Thank you for coming one more time.

1828
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,319
If you want to plug anything.

1829
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,079
Speaker 4: Follow me on Instagram.

1830
01:25:08,199 --> 01:25:12,359
Speaker 1: Chris Monty cr no h Monty two, why's that's me?

1831
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,640
And yeah, let's wear some makeup bend. Let's bring it

1832
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,479
back a little bit plea. Yeah, a little concealer and

1833
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,079
some bronzer. That's all you need, truly, Yeah, that's the

1834
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:25,199
that's the secret concealer and bronzer.

1835
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 4: Thank me later and.

1836
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,520
Speaker 2: Enough so that like a woman wouldn't notice.

1837
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, don't go crazy.

1838
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't don't do this, because I feel like a

1839
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,119
chick would see that and be like turned off immediately.

1840
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 4: Now she'd be like, let me help you.

1841
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 3: Maybe have like an established relationship with this woman first.

1842
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,399
Speaker 4: Yeah sure, okay, fine.

1843
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:50,399
Speaker 3: Don't do it like first my meat and fire. Okay,

1844
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:52,399
might not be the woman you want to.

1845
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: It's like this type of thing where like it's something

1846
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,760
like ninety nine percent of men would date a chick

1847
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:59,680
that hooked up with a chick, and it's like twenty

1848
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:01,760
percent of women with date a dude they hooked up

1849
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,079
with a dude, you know what I mean. Yeah, So

1850
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:05,479
it's like the type of thing where it's like women

1851
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,319
are like, yeah, men need more open and it's like, hey,

1852
01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:08,359
guess what I wear makeup?

1853
01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 3: And they're like's not you though, Rob, I guess your

1854
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:13,880
mom falls into twenty percent.

1855
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,359
Speaker 2: God damn it for Dan Chester and Christina montemayor. I

1856
01:26:19,359 --> 01:26:22,319
guess we'll end on that note. I'm Rob Fox.

1857
01:26:22,399 --> 01:26:23,399
Speaker 3: You just got saw served