Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done.
Speaker 1: I wasn't dealing with them.
Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 2: that turned.
Speaker 1: Me away the quickest.
Speaker 3: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 3: looked at us.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I remember the most where
Speaker 1: the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 1: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.
Speaker 3: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
Speaker 3: foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's
Speaker 3: where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and
Speaker 3: the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with
Speaker 3: this thing, I don't like death.
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Speaker 1: guest today, Jedediah. Thanks for coming out and talking with me.
Speaker 3: I had no problem man anytime.
Speaker 1: So where are you from currently?
Speaker 3: I'm living just outside of Renok, Virginia. It's down there southwest,
Speaker 3: kind of close to the border of West Virginia, about
Speaker 3: an hour and a half away from that. Go further
Speaker 3: down south, you'll end up hitting the kind of Tennessee
Speaker 3: Southwest Virginia, West Virginia, little area down there in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Blue Ridge Mountain sector of the Appalachians.
Speaker 1: You had any weird encounters while you've been down there?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, more here than anywhere else in my entire life.
Speaker 1: So well, if you want to get started, I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear about.
Speaker 3: It, absolutely so I'll go chronologically with the experiences, and
Speaker 3: these do all involve what I believe to be sign
Speaker 3: a Cephali dog man. Whatever you want to consider them.
Speaker 3: As an Irish folkal or fail od if. I probably
Speaker 3: butchered that pronunciation. I do not know Celtic or Irish whatsoever.
Speaker 3: But see, the first time I ever had a true
Speaker 3: experience with anything along those lines, I was living just
Speaker 3: outside of Venton, Virginia. It's probably about fifteen minutes away
Speaker 3: from where I live, on a place called Jeter's Chapel
Speaker 3: mount Now, this mountain's always had a lot of different
Speaker 3: stories told. When I actually moved up there with my
Speaker 3: now wife, and this was back in twenty twelve, you know,
Speaker 3: it was before I had any I didn't really truly
Speaker 3: believe in anything, you know, besides spirits, you know, UFOs,
Speaker 3: that type of thing that was kind of just the
Speaker 3: generic stuff I really believed in. Didn't really even believe
Speaker 3: in bigfoot sasquatch, and definitely had never even heard of
Speaker 3: a dog man. But the experience I had there, I mean,
Speaker 3: there was quite a few of them. You know. There
Speaker 3: was always the old sayings from her brothers, her dad.
Speaker 3: We lived on a horse farm, so it was very isolated,
Speaker 3: very quiet, but in the distance, you know, you'd hear shoot.
Speaker 3: You'd end up here in almost like a drum cadence
Speaker 3: sometimes you could hear footsteps out in the distance. And
Speaker 3: this is a horse farm, so we were a good
Speaker 3: ways away from pretty much anything or anybody. Sorry about that,
Speaker 3: let me get that way back. You know. There was
Speaker 3: times when my wife would tell me we had a
Speaker 3: little one back then, Kimberly, my daughter, she was about
Speaker 3: one years old, so i'd, you know, she'd called me
Speaker 3: to go outside, go to the van, you know, diapers, wipes,
Speaker 3: whatever I needed to give formula. And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: an eagle scout. I've been camping all my life. I've
Speaker 3: been hunting, fishing all my life, and I'd never felt
Speaker 3: uncomfortable at night. For one and two in the wilderness,
Speaker 3: that place was entirely different. I don't know why, but
Speaker 3: the amount of anxiety I would get just by stepping
Speaker 3: out or even thinking about having to go out there
Speaker 3: was huge. I mean I had never gotten to the
Speaker 3: point where I'd actually sprint to a vehicle, get in there,
Speaker 3: get back inside fast. I mean it got to the
Speaker 3: point where you know, I'd be out there some nights
Speaker 3: and it would be so dang quiet. You could hear,
Speaker 3: you know, my foot on the ground in the gravel.
Speaker 3: That would be it into my own heartbeat. I mean,
Speaker 3: just a truly, truly dead silence. No crickets, no nothing,
Speaker 3: which in the mountains around here, that's really strange. You know,
Speaker 3: there's always something running around doing something. But back then
Speaker 3: I didn't really think anything of it at all. And
Speaker 3: there were times when I'd go out there and you know,
Speaker 3: i'd hear I'd be walking along or really running along,
Speaker 3: and then after I would stop, you could still hear another, like,
Speaker 3: you know, a step, which I would be like, okay, inside,
Speaker 3: maybe it's a horse. And so it started happening more
Speaker 3: and more, you know, there was more times. It got
Speaker 3: to the point where there was situation where I would
Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable even getting near the windows out there. But
Speaker 3: that all led up. I was about there for two
Speaker 3: months having these experiences, you know, just kind of weird feelings,
Speaker 3: anxiety inducing. And it was a Friday night. I wish
Speaker 3: I knew the exact date, but it's been so long,
Speaker 3: but me and her went out and we decided to
Speaker 3: have a bonfire, you know, out in one of the
Speaker 3: fields there, which was our back to the barn, main
Speaker 3: barn where all the horses were. And this barn held
Speaker 3: I think it stabled had twelve stalls in there. I
Speaker 3: think there was like four horses at the time. And
Speaker 3: this was probably about i'd say eleven o'clock. Not a
Speaker 3: full moon or anything like that in cliche. It was
Speaker 3: just it was bright, but not incredibly bright where I
Speaker 3: could see everything. Well. So we were probably about seventy
Speaker 3: five yards out in the middle of this field, had
Speaker 3: her back turned, you know, no alcohol, nothing like that.
Speaker 3: I was only eighteen nineteen at the time, So yeah,
Speaker 3: we were out there just enjoying it. And I remember thoroughly.
Speaker 3: You know, the woods ended up getting quiet again while
Speaker 3: we were out there, which was odd because before that
Speaker 3: there was noises, crickets, you know, you could hear you know, wilderness,
Speaker 3: you know, wildlife out there doing their thing. And it was.
Speaker 1: Dog Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and back then I didn't have the knowledge I
Speaker 3: do today about dog Man. I didn't make that connection.
Speaker 3: There was no you know, I just kind of brushed
Speaker 3: it off, you know, like it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Maybe they just all went away, and I remember we
Speaker 3: had our back turned and I heard something that to
Speaker 3: this day man still puts makes my hackles raised in
Speaker 3: the back of my neck. But it was a very
Speaker 3: distinct sound of bipedal movement from the top of this
Speaker 3: It was a decent peak. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 3: it is, maybe about a six twelve abe, but you know,
Speaker 3: it was a decent peak, but not super sharp on
Speaker 3: the top of this barn. But it was sheet metal.
Speaker 3: And if anybody has a dog, you know what the
Speaker 3: sound of their you know, a claw hitting metal or
Speaker 3: tile sounds like yeah and yeah, that very very distinct,
Speaker 3: like click click click. Well, you know, it's kind of stopping.
Speaker 3: About two minutes later, I started getting uncomfortable and I
Speaker 3: heard a sound. It was bipedal, which is what caught
Speaker 3: me off guard. It was a fump, pump fump, with
Speaker 3: that clicking at the end of it, and then slap
Speaker 3: onto the actual ground just to the right of it.
Speaker 3: And then heard something shoot off through the field back
Speaker 3: down towards where the other house in the property, which
Speaker 3: was empty at the time, and there's a lake down there,
Speaker 3: and backs up to the deep woods where Jeter's Chip
Speaker 3: Mountain is. There's just nothing but miles of wilderness. It
Speaker 3: made her uncomfortable enough, who's lived She lived there all
Speaker 3: of her life, pretty much ever since she was a
Speaker 3: young child. That she said, all right, we gotta go.
Speaker 3: We got to get inside, you know, and seeing her
Speaker 3: react like that and hearing that too, you know, we
Speaker 3: packed up. I put the fire out, make sure that
Speaker 3: it wasn't going to go, and we go back, and
Speaker 3: it shook me up bad. I mean, I wasn't crying
Speaker 3: or anything along those lines, man, but it had me
Speaker 3: truly weirded out. I mean, I had never experienced something
Speaker 3: along to those lines before. So we get back, I
Speaker 3: tell her brother, both of her brothers, and then her
Speaker 3: dad about it, and her dad kind of gave me
Speaker 3: a look that I still remember this day. And me
Speaker 3: and him have now discussed it more that you know,
Speaker 3: we're on good terms. I love my father in law,
Speaker 3: and we've discussed it and he's come out more once
Speaker 3: I told him these experiences and he's like, yeah, he's
Speaker 3: had similar ones. So it was kind of now makes
Speaker 3: a lot more sense. But the next night, you know,
Speaker 3: we decided to do the same thing. Real smart of me,
Speaker 3: I guess, but we decided, did you have everybody come out?
Speaker 3: I was not going out there alone with her. I
Speaker 3: wasn't going out there alone in general at this point,
Speaker 3: after hearing something that was so far fetched and so
Speaker 3: weird that I've never heard before, I mean here in
Speaker 3: the bipedal movement, I've thought that. I mean, at best
Speaker 3: it was somebody watching us up there, but that didn't
Speaker 3: explain the clicking sound going down. I mean, steel toe
Speaker 3: boots don't make that noise. Nor was the gap in
Speaker 3: the impacts. I mean, I'm six foot tall, I played
Speaker 3: soccer and all that, and the distance it would have
Speaker 3: had to taken to go down a thirty five foot
Speaker 3: you know, you'd have to be sprinting, and I don't
Speaker 3: see on metal, especially when there's do on there, anything
Speaker 3: or anybody that would be able to actually keep their
Speaker 3: footing on that thing and go flap faw fwop, hit
Speaker 3: the ground and shoot off at the speed. Well, we
Speaker 3: all get out there. It was me, her brother, her
Speaker 3: brother's girlfriend at the time, her other brother, his friend,
Speaker 3: and then my buddy Matt, and then of course my
Speaker 3: now wife, and we were all out there and you know,
Speaker 3: around the bonfire and all that, just enjoying ourselves. And
Speaker 3: this was probably about one am.
Speaker 1: And you know, I.
Speaker 3: Told her brothers about it, and they started ribbing me
Speaker 3: about it, were like, hey man, why don't you why
Speaker 3: don't you tell a little ghost story around the fire
Speaker 3: type deal, and I was like, I'd really rather not,
Speaker 3: but I'll tell you the dang truth to what happened
Speaker 3: and explain that story to them. Well, Brian, which is
Speaker 3: her brother, and his friend Joey. They were like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: we'll go on over to that barn right now we've
Speaker 3: proved to you. I was like, I really don't want
Speaker 3: you to go over there, like it's just please, don't like,
Speaker 3: you know. So they start going over there and there's
Speaker 3: a door on the right, two big sliding metal doors
Speaker 3: so you can let the horses out, and on the
Speaker 3: right side there was an office. Well, they start going
Speaker 3: in there, and as soon as they got to that thing,
Speaker 3: I went dead sigh one again, I mean truly dead
Speaker 3: sil which her other brother and my buddy Matt both
Speaker 3: picked up on and they were, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: looking at each other weird. I knew what it was again,
Speaker 3: and I was like, no, I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 3: Told Courtney. I was like, we I'm going back to
Speaker 3: the house right now, Like I do not feel comfortable
Speaker 3: about this at all. Whatsoever they want to do that
Speaker 3: and what they want to be idiots? Fine, but I'm
Speaker 3: not sticking around. So we're packing up everything and I'm
Speaker 3: getting ready to pull out the fire and they, hey,
Speaker 3: they end up sliding open the front two doors. And
Speaker 3: I wasn't looking at the bar at the time. Nobody was,
Speaker 3: and you know, they're at the front of this barn,
Speaker 3: kind of still just on the inside of it, inside
Speaker 3: of dark, and I remember looking at them and they
Speaker 3: were yelling back at me, just like, well, I don't
Speaker 3: see your monster, man, And I remember I looked at them,
Speaker 3: and then I realized at the peak there was a
Speaker 3: it's like a little wind vane that sits up at
Speaker 3: the time. And when I looked up there there was
Speaker 3: a silhouette. And I had no idea what to make
Speaker 3: of this thing. I didn't see the you know, the
Speaker 3: point of the ears or anything along those lines. But
Speaker 3: what I did see was a very muscular build. Now
Speaker 3: I'm six foot tall. I hit the gym off. This
Speaker 3: thing was bigger than me, but now by a good bit,
Speaker 3: I mean. And it was crouched down on all fours,
Speaker 3: you know, almost like a human wood. And my legs
Speaker 3: splayed out a little bit armed, almost like the Spider
Speaker 3: Man pose. Is the best way I can explain it.
Speaker 3: And I looked up. She looked up, My buddy looked up.
Speaker 3: DJ looked up, and his girl at the time girlfriend
Speaker 3: looked up. And I remember here in Matt, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say the word, but he was like,
Speaker 3: what oh was that? And I made, you know, looked
Speaker 3: up at that thing. My hyesband white. And I've never felt,
Speaker 3: until the other situations, I've had a kind of terror
Speaker 3: of seeing something like that. I was like, I don't
Speaker 3: know what that is, you know, at the time, the
Speaker 3: only thing that I had semblance of was like the
Speaker 3: whole slender Man thing went around back in the day,
Speaker 3: and I was like, it's huge. I'm out, And I
Speaker 3: remember I bolted went to my truck and I'm still
Speaker 3: not exactly proud of this, but I ended up diving
Speaker 3: underneath my truck and hit and about the time I
Speaker 3: started to make movement, the sound happened again. And at
Speaker 3: first I didn't want to believe that it was happening,
Speaker 3: but it was. Brian and Joey on the inside their
Speaker 3: eyes went saucer big and went ghost white because they
Speaker 3: had it was right above them and the same thing,
Speaker 3: just that flop flop flop, hit, run off through a
Speaker 3: field again. At that point, everybody just start scrambling, like hell,
Speaker 3: I mean, we all bolted, got into our cars. My
Speaker 3: buddy Matt I was like, man, you're more than welcome
Speaker 3: to stay here if you want. Man, but we're getting back.
Speaker 3: He was like, nah, I'm good, I'm gone, got into
Speaker 3: his car, drove off. We all ended up going back
Speaker 3: to the house man and bunker down after that. Soon after,
Speaker 3: actually the property was sold and we moved out of there.
Speaker 3: My wife still wants to go back there, obviously to
Speaker 3: see the property where she grew up. Me I could
Speaker 3: not go back there for the rest of my life
Speaker 3: and be very very content. I you know, at that point,
Speaker 3: it was still one of the scariest experiences of my
Speaker 3: entire life because I truly at that time had absolutely
Speaker 3: no explanation for what I mean, you know, you never,
Speaker 3: especially back in twenty twelve, the idea of a werewolf
Speaker 3: or something closely related to that. It wasn't even really
Speaker 3: a thing. I mean, sasquatch, bigfoot, of course, but dogmen. Besides,
Speaker 3: you know, the Beast of Bray Road or those type
Speaker 3: of things, you know, And that's that's Midwest, that's not
Speaker 3: in the Appalachians. It didn't really make any type of
Speaker 3: connection to me. But yeah, that was really the first
Speaker 3: time I'd had an experience with that. And the more
Speaker 3: I look back now, the more experiences I've had, the
Speaker 3: research I've done. I've talked to Martin Groves before. Me
Speaker 3: and him are actually pretty good buddies, and he's had
Speaker 3: similar experiences and he was like, uh, yeah, man, that
Speaker 3: sounds about right. Yeah, and look at back, I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I mean that's what I believe is. As I said,
Speaker 3: I never got a true look at it, but didn't
Speaker 3: have a flashlight. Honestly, I always wanted to get out
Speaker 3: of there as fast as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: But that's the natural reaction, I think.
Speaker 3: And rightfully. So once you see something that big, man,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's if it was a bear, I'd be
Speaker 3: gone anyway, and that's something that's huge. I'm no match
Speaker 3: for that. Then I know, dang well, I want to live.
Speaker 3: I would like to survive another day, so I don't
Speaker 3: really want to mess with something like that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that was back in twenty twelve. We moved into the city.
Speaker 3: Since then and then, of course I had my other
Speaker 3: two so I was disconnected from the woods for quite
Speaker 3: a bit of time. Didn't really get to go hunting
Speaker 3: fishing as much as I like hiking, because you know,
Speaker 3: I was raising the kids, working, doing all that. It
Speaker 3: was only about let's say here, I guess it was
Speaker 3: during COVID. COVID was about the time when everything started
Speaker 3: to shut down and I had time again to really
Speaker 3: get out in the woods, you know, and being out there,
Speaker 3: you couldn't do anything besides you know, go trout fishing
Speaker 3: or something like that, and that was a good way
Speaker 3: to be outside and get away from everybody and still
Speaker 3: be able to get outside the house. So I started
Speaker 3: going up too. And it's a place called Arcadia. It's
Speaker 3: pretty deep in the mountains and also happens to be
Speaker 3: the more I did research on it pretty close to
Speaker 3: a Air Force base that was shut down. But they
Speaker 3: shut down. It's still Christine condition to this day. Hike
Speaker 3: up to it. But it actually ran Sage radar, which
Speaker 3: was also what happened to be in the whole Riseland,
Speaker 3: New York thing. So the whole portal theory that was, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was the same area in one hundred and seventy third,
Speaker 3: I believe air Force and that's up on top of
Speaker 3: this mountain just above it. Didn't know that until I
Speaker 3: looked at the topo graphical mac from like nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 3: And also happens to be very very close to a
Speaker 3: huge marble yard granite marblefield called Devil's marble Yard, which
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you should look at names and really
Speaker 3: think about maybe why it's named that. And that was
Speaker 3: a old marble yard that happened forty I think they
Speaker 3: said dated it till like thirty five, forty thousand years
Speaker 3: ago when this whole mountain side came crumbling down. And
Speaker 3: that's about fifteen miles if you were to get up
Speaker 3: into the woods and hike about thirty five miles if
Speaker 3: you're on roads, because it's pretty deep up into there.
Speaker 3: Now Arcadia named Land of the Guy God. It's very
Speaker 3: very beautiful place. Probably my favorite place in the entire world.
Speaker 3: Me and my son Jayden, he's the big fisherman and
Speaker 3: outdoorsman like I was as a kid.
Speaker 4: We go there.
Speaker 3: Haven't been there for a little while, dude to work
Speaker 3: and you know, different things going on. But we made
Speaker 3: it a point to go out there two to three
Speaker 3: times a week, especially during that time period when everything
Speaker 3: was shut down, and then you know, we love fishing
Speaker 3: just getting out there. Well more than once, I've had
Speaker 3: experiences at that place most of the time. I don't
Speaker 3: like to even say it, man, but weather events do
Speaker 3: happen to roll up pretty quick inside their fog rain,
Speaker 3: you know, and that is what it is. It's the mountains.
Speaker 3: Of course it's going to happen. But it always seems
Speaker 3: pretty heavily connected to these experiences, either soon after or
Speaker 3: soon before. Like you know, they'll say, oh, it's going
Speaker 3: to be beautiful and sunny, and then I get there
Speaker 3: and it's missing raining, you know, causing a lot of
Speaker 3: the rocks and stuff to be hard to actually run
Speaker 3: on or do anything on. But the first time it happened,
Speaker 3: I believe it was twenty September of twenty twenty is
Speaker 3: when I had the real first experience. Soon before that,
Speaker 3: me and him, would you know, we would be out
Speaker 3: there two three times a week, and there was this
Speaker 3: one little stretch of stream it was it's called Jenn's
Speaker 3: Creek or Jennings Creek, and they stocked this stream with
Speaker 3: trout pretty much every two three weeks during stocking season.
Speaker 3: It actually just got stocked. I believe yesterday. So I'll
Speaker 3: be headed up there soon. Probably not very smart, but
Speaker 3: I can't stay out of those woodsman, It's part of
Speaker 3: my life. But there's this one spot down there, and
Speaker 3: there is a very very big old oak. And what
Speaker 3: I mean this is old growth. This thing is probably
Speaker 3: about two three feet at the base, massive hangings. It's
Speaker 3: probably about sixty feet tall up in the air. It's
Speaker 3: a huge monster. And we were there a couple times before,
Speaker 3: and I would always like have a hammock with me.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed setting up right next to the stream, dropping
Speaker 3: a line and you know, popping in my earbuds and
Speaker 3: listening to music, just enjoying the outdoors. I've stopped listening
Speaker 3: or having my ears plugged out there, needless to say.
Speaker 3: But I remember when I first jumped across this little
Speaker 3: gap onto the other side. I got the same feeling
Speaker 3: I got when I was up there on Jeter's Chapel Mountain,
Speaker 3: just a feeling of, you know, I should not be here,
Speaker 3: Like it was almost like it was like a barrier,
Speaker 3: like you go across that stream. I did not feel
Speaker 3: comfortable at all. I mean, the brush was so thick
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you've ever been over into
Speaker 3: the apple Atrians before where you're from, But the woods
Speaker 3: here are not. Oh heck yeah, then you know how
Speaker 3: thick it can get, Like on the bottom there. It's
Speaker 3: not a savannah like down south, or it's very very
Speaker 3: thick undergrowth to the point where there could be something
Speaker 3: two three feet away from you and if it said still,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't know about it at all. It could very
Speaker 3: well be there. Remember, I jumped across up underneath this
Speaker 3: overhang and put my hammock up and sat there for
Speaker 3: about five minutes and had the worst urge, just like
Speaker 3: you know, I got it. I shouldn't be here. I
Speaker 3: got to get back packed up my hammock, jumped across,
Speaker 3: and I felt not immediately better, but I felt a
Speaker 3: lot better than being over there. That was kind of
Speaker 3: how it started. Like almost I was trespassing, is the
Speaker 3: best way I can really explain it. Like you know,
Speaker 3: I went hunting on somebody's property kind of deal. And
Speaker 3: I started to go up more and more alone. That
Speaker 3: was another thing that I would do. I would go
Speaker 3: up there alone, and being stupid, of course, I didn't
Speaker 3: follow in the world. There was times when I wouldn't
Speaker 3: tell anybody where. I was totally disconnect. Dumb idea. I've
Speaker 3: always now tell everybody where I'm going, like if I'm
Speaker 3: not back by this time, please call somebody, gets them
Speaker 3: out there, get me or find me, or what my
Speaker 3: car is something. But I remember I came back with
Speaker 3: my son a couple of days later, and we were
Speaker 3: sitting there with our backs to this big oak which
Speaker 3: is probably about fifteen yards up the up the stream
Speaker 3: right there. It's in a shallow at a point where
Speaker 3: you can't really fish it all. So we sit down
Speaker 3: these rock faces and yeah, I remember we were sitting
Speaker 3: there just you know, talking, and out of nowhere this
Speaker 3: it was a widow maker. It was a tree limb
Speaker 3: probably about the width of my body. I mean it
Speaker 3: was huge, massive, came flying at the tree, slammed into
Speaker 3: the ground, probably about fifty feet behind us. Shot pieces
Speaker 3: of would bark everywhere. It sounded like a shotgun went off.
Speaker 3: First thing I did was grab him and pulled me
Speaker 3: under because I thought somebody was shooting at us. And
Speaker 3: I was like, okay. I looked at him and he
Speaker 3: actually stopped and he said that I want to leave now.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, that's we can go, man,
Speaker 3: because I was feeling really uncomfortable too. There was no wind.
Speaker 3: I remember that it was a beautiful day, no wind,
Speaker 3: no nothing going on. It was just weird. I've been
Speaker 3: there all the time. I've seen this tree, and the
Speaker 3: tree is not dead either. That's the weird thing about
Speaker 3: this tree. It is not a dead tree. There's actually
Speaker 3: still to this day green growth on it. But he
Speaker 3: started to feel uncomfortable, so we dipped and we talked
Speaker 3: about it. I was like, did you hear anything before
Speaker 3: that thing went down? And he said, yeah, I heard
Speaker 3: a thump And I was like, huh, that's interesting, but
Speaker 3: didn't think much of it, like an on the base
Speaker 3: of a tree, almost, And you know, we packed up
Speaker 3: about two days later. I didn't go back the next day.
Speaker 3: I was planning on it, man, but it had shook
Speaker 3: me so much. And then hearing him say that, I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I'm I think I'm good for a
Speaker 3: little bit. But two days later, man, I woke up
Speaker 3: and I caught the bug. It was like six o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning. It's like thirty five minutes today. I
Speaker 3: was like, I got nothing else better to do, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell the wife, I'm gonna go fishing for
Speaker 3: a little while. So I went out there and this
Speaker 3: is when I actually saw it, and I to this
Speaker 3: day will never forget. It was an experienced man that
Speaker 3: I still wish I didn't have to be a thousand
Speaker 3: percent honest man, like it opened up. They always say
Speaker 3: ignorance is bliss and yeah, and honestly, if I part
Speaker 3: of me doesn't want to go back to where I
Speaker 3: was so ignorant because it made me so unaf maye
Speaker 3: me so comfortable out there, you know what I mean? Like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't believe in this thing, it can't be real. Well,
Speaker 3: it's the old say, And just because you don't believe
Speaker 3: in something doesn't mean it can't kill you.
Speaker 1: Now, I saw something in seven and it made me
Speaker 1: question everything, but I still struggle to accept what I saw.
Speaker 3: I'm very much the same way to this day, man,
Speaker 3: because I don't the logical part of my brain, and
Speaker 3: I think logically. I try to always rule things out.
Speaker 3: I don't immediately go to the supernatural or you know,
Speaker 3: you know, amazing things happening. I try to break stuff down, like,
Speaker 3: you know, what could this be? Let me list off
Speaker 3: things in my head. You know, try to make this
Speaker 3: actually make sense. It's when it doesn't make sense when
Speaker 3: you see something and you truly have no answers, but
Speaker 3: you know, dang well you saw it like there's no
Speaker 3: way around it, that you really start to rethink. I mean, now,
Speaker 3: I grew up being told all the time, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: monsters aren't real, these things aren't real, you know, and
Speaker 3: especially being you know, I'm actually a minister's son, so
Speaker 3: growing up in the church, you're especially taught, you know,
Speaker 3: demons aren't real. This ain't real. That ain't real. But
Speaker 3: then when you start really looking at it logically, well,
Speaker 3: you can't have heaven without hell, you can't have angels
Speaker 3: without demons. And why in the world where all these things?
Speaker 3: So basically they're all either lies or trying to hide
Speaker 3: something that could actually be, you know, they just don't
Speaker 3: think that you're ready for. Well, this, the experience out there,
Speaker 3: is what really changed everything and made me go headfirst
Speaker 3: into the rabbit hole of trying to figure out, you know,
Speaker 3: dog man size stuff. What I fail out all that
Speaker 3: I was sitting there with my back to that tree again,
Speaker 3: it's always the exact same spot we sit in. It's
Speaker 3: up underneath this little overhang of a small tree there.
Speaker 3: It's like a little thirty foot pool.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful, huge, huge rain and brooke trouting there, and
Speaker 3: there only got like maybe ten feet across where they
Speaker 3: can go. So I'm always at this hole fishing. I
Speaker 3: always call it the deep hole or the green hole
Speaker 3: because it's so clear. And then it goes into like
Speaker 3: this emerald green at the bottom, and you can almost
Speaker 3: see the fish swimming around on a clear day. And
Speaker 3: I had my back turned to it, and I remember
Speaker 3: I had one earpod in on the left side, in
Speaker 3: my right side where it was up against the rock face.
Speaker 3: It's like a road up here, and then it comes
Speaker 3: down and then where I sit, and then there's the
Speaker 3: water right below me. And I remember listening. I remember
Speaker 3: the song too, I'll never forget it. It was Empire
Speaker 3: Ants by the Grill. It was a relatively soft song,
Speaker 3: you know, and I was really enjoying it. But I
Speaker 3: started to realize the noises a gone again. Now the
Speaker 3: water was still bubbling, like you could still hear water rushing.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like the entire earth just went stopped in
Speaker 3: a dime. But I realized that the noises of nature,
Speaker 3: like I've been hearing squirrels run around. You could hear
Speaker 3: and see deer sometimes up on the other little you know,
Speaker 3: hills over there across the road, and there's always birds
Speaker 3: flying around, chirping and stuff. All that. It could stopped,
Speaker 3: but I had my earphone in the left so it
Speaker 3: didn't click fast. But slowly I started realizing. I was like,
Speaker 3: huh oppt it out, put it back in its case,
Speaker 3: and I had realized, you know, everything was quiet. Now
Speaker 3: my mind went back to that night at Jeter's Chapel
Speaker 3: and a snap hearing nothing, and then also of course
Speaker 3: being taught out in the woods. You know, if you're
Speaker 3: out in the woods and everything goes quiet, something's wrong.
Speaker 3: It's not a good sign. Ever, that either means that
Speaker 3: there is a large predator in the area. So everything
Speaker 3: shuts up as ordered not to be drawing attention to it.
Speaker 3: And that's the first thing that went to my mind.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I need to leave if
Speaker 3: there's something that's going to shut up these entire forest
Speaker 3: and there's bear out theres. They say there's not mountain lions,
Speaker 3: but there's definitely lines out there. Man, They've had enough visuals,
Speaker 3: but the feeling of also being watched this time, now,
Speaker 3: that was what caught me off guard. It felt like
Speaker 3: there was eyes searing in the back of my head.
Speaker 3: Like the best way I can explain it. You know,
Speaker 3: if you're like in a Walmart, or like in a
Speaker 3: store or anywhere for that matter, and you can feel
Speaker 3: somebody looking at you from a distance, you don't know
Speaker 3: where it's coming from, but you can just feel almost
Speaker 3: like eyes boring into you. That's how it felt. So
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I feel like I'm being hunted,
Speaker 3: is the best way I felt like the deer and
Speaker 3: the animals I've stalked so many times must have felt.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, no, I understand.
Speaker 3: And that made me more uncomfortable than anything else I've
Speaker 3: ever felt, pretty much to this day, unless I've been
Speaker 3: stocked again, which is the same exact time feeling. But
Speaker 3: it is a feeling like, you know, still being a
Speaker 3: big guy doing all that, knowing that something is watching you.
Speaker 3: You don't know where it is, you don't know the intentions.
Speaker 3: It's hyper uncomfortable, and you know, I packed up my
Speaker 3: stuff as quickly as possible and turned around, and I
Speaker 3: remember that tree. It's that stupid tree, the same one
Speaker 3: where that widow maker dropped out of. I looked at
Speaker 3: it and I turned away, and then I stopped kind
Speaker 3: of like a mid step. And the problem is the
Speaker 3: way you have to get back up to the car
Speaker 3: is you have to walk by this tree. It's across
Speaker 3: the river there, but you have to go up probably
Speaker 3: about twenty five yards and then snake your way up
Speaker 3: to where my rat four was. And I was walking
Speaker 3: by it, and that was probably about I said, twenty
Speaker 3: five yards away, and it's over there to my diagonal,
Speaker 3: and I had my head down, was actually looking at
Speaker 3: my phone like I'm looking at it right now as
Speaker 3: talking to you, and out of the peripheral vision, I
Speaker 3: saw something shift and I stopped dead in my tracks,
Speaker 3: and I was like, that's weird. So I stopped and
Speaker 3: I looked over there, and this tree has a relatively
Speaker 3: black surface on it. It's it's old, it's got moss
Speaker 3: on it, but it's a relatively darker barked tree. And
Speaker 3: you know, I saw a shape over there. I'd seen
Speaker 3: this tree one hundred times, probably more than that by
Speaker 3: this point, going up there so often, and something was
Speaker 3: out of place didn't register fast because I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that's odd, what the hell is that thing? And about
Speaker 3: a little bit of backstory, I'm pretty good on judging height.
Speaker 3: I used to build houses for a living. I was
Speaker 3: a framer, so nine to three quarters in studs man
Speaker 3: I used to cut lumber. I can relatively judge height
Speaker 3: off of ground pretty good. About seven feet up. I'd
Speaker 3: say between six and a half and seven feet. I'm
Speaker 3: six foot and this was taller than if I was
Speaker 3: saying there by a decent bit I saw. And it
Speaker 3: wasn't the you know dog men or in a dog
Speaker 3: soldier ears, not the big tall looking ones. They were
Speaker 3: shorter but almost kind of like a German shepherd, but
Speaker 3: not that super high up. Yeah, it wasn't like the
Speaker 3: massive foot tall ear. But it was smaller and definitely
Speaker 3: looked like a German shepherd. Which is the first thing
Speaker 3: that went through my mind was what is who let
Speaker 3: their dog out? That was really it? And then I
Speaker 3: started to really make the connections of that's seven foot
Speaker 3: up on a tree, peeking around it, and all I
Speaker 3: could see was kind of the top of it right here. Well,
Speaker 3: as I started moving around up this thing and around
Speaker 3: this tree, it exposed itself up to about here, and
Speaker 3: that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose
Speaker 3: and the eyes. Now, I've been in a lot of
Speaker 3: bad situations with a lot of bad people when I
Speaker 3: was younger, you know, being on the streets when I
Speaker 3: was younger as well. You know, running around you start
Speaker 3: picking up intentions by eyesight or when something locked onto you.
Speaker 3: You can kind of tell. This was a look I'd
Speaker 3: never experienced before. And honestly, I'm not gonna lie to you, man,
Speaker 3: I peed my pants right there on the spot. As
Speaker 3: soon as I made eye contact with this thing. It
Speaker 3: felt like death. And that's the best way I can
Speaker 3: explain it, like I was looking into the eyes of
Speaker 3: something that could truly kill me and was not at
Speaker 3: all happy I was existent there anything. So, as I said,
Speaker 3: it was just a muzzle here head was probably about
Speaker 3: i'd say out to where my beard was. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was like not a pit bull size, but large.
Speaker 3: And I stopped looked and I just said I'd pee
Speaker 3: myself right then and there, because it was like a
Speaker 3: something at a level of fear I had never felt.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been shot at, I've been dealt with
Speaker 3: people that are crazy in the woods before rolling up
Speaker 3: on you know stills gross sites when I was younger
Speaker 3: going hunting up in the deep woods, and the type
Speaker 3: of fear that that was was so intense it froze
Speaker 3: my body. It was like every bit of I almost
Speaker 3: compare it to a dementor from Harry Pytter, was like
Speaker 3: all the joy in the world was just snapped out
Speaker 3: of existence all at once, like everything would just stop.
Speaker 3: And I remember, I drive, I never have done this again.
Speaker 3: I dropped my fish and ride when I could feel
Speaker 3: like I could actually breathe again because it moved a
Speaker 3: little bit more out. And that's when I saw around
Speaker 3: the tree about i'd say two feet down from the
Speaker 3: head four fingers. And that's what caught me off guard
Speaker 3: even more because at first I was still trying to
Speaker 3: really like, is that a wolf, Like we don't have
Speaker 3: wolves in Virginia. Why is this here? Like you know,
Speaker 3: is this is a hybrid of a coyote, you know,
Speaker 3: a koy wolf or something. And when I saw something
Speaker 3: and they looked almost like a round I know you've
Speaker 3: seen a raccoon's hands, very very similar to that came around,
Speaker 3: but it was about the same size as mine. Probably
Speaker 3: a lot bigger. I don't really know. I didn't focus
Speaker 3: that long. As soon as I saw that movement, it
Speaker 3: was like something click to me, and I realized I
Speaker 3: needed to get the hell out of there as fast
Speaker 3: as humanly possible. So I dropped my gear by about
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars worth of you know, trout fishing gear,
Speaker 3: left it on those rocks, bolted up into the car,
Speaker 3: and peeled out of there, and I drove like an idiot.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I ran that engine to its
Speaker 3: freaking core. I was probably going sixty five up in
Speaker 3: a mountain road, hoping to God that a park ranger
Speaker 3: or a cop would find me. At that point, I
Speaker 3: was like, I need somebody, I need something. I need
Speaker 3: to get out of here, please God, Like I just
Speaker 3: need to leave. Got home, sat down, gave my kids
Speaker 3: the biggest hug of I've ever given them, looked at
Speaker 3: my wife and broke down crying, and told her what happened.
Speaker 3: And I'm not so sure that, I mean, unless you've
Speaker 3: seen something like that, of course you're going to be
Speaker 3: skeptical about it. Like, but her reaction to me breaking
Speaker 3: down like that, she'd never seen me break down like
Speaker 3: that except for once, and that was on an anniversary
Speaker 3: of my grandfather's death, and she was like, I don't
Speaker 3: know what happened to you. I don't know if what
Speaker 3: you said actually happened, but obviously something happened. That was
Speaker 3: really the first and thankfully only full visual I've ever
Speaker 3: had of one. I really hope other people are always like, oh,
Speaker 3: I hope I can go see one. I hope I
Speaker 3: can go find one. I don't recommend it, at least
Speaker 3: coming from me. I mean, there's people that are braver
Speaker 3: than me. Obviously, more power to you, But I hope
Speaker 3: I never see one again, full fledge. I don't want
Speaker 3: to see one ever again. I don't want to feel
Speaker 3: that way. I mean, for the first time in my life,
Speaker 3: I really had to think about it, like, you know,
Speaker 3: my complacency of the woods nearly made it so Daddy
Speaker 3: didn't make it home to my three children.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I was like, I may have not been able to
Speaker 3: make it out of there. This thing was huge. This
Speaker 3: thing was something that the hands on over what really
Speaker 3: threw me off. Man. It was like, if that thing
Speaker 3: wanted me, it could have got me in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3: There's no denying it. There's no and there's nothing I
Speaker 3: could have done. I didn't have a pistol with me,
Speaker 3: I didn't have a firearm with me. I was fishing. Now,
Speaker 3: whenever I go out there, I'm packed in heat every
Speaker 3: single time. Not that I think that I would even
Speaker 3: do anything against these I don't know. We don't know
Speaker 3: where they come from. We don't know if they're in adimensional,
Speaker 3: we don't know if they're biological. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: remember the old movie If it bleeds, you can kill
Speaker 3: it type deal. But I mean, you know, P two
Speaker 3: two six running a forty five caliber. I don't think
Speaker 3: that I could slam an entire mag into it and
Speaker 3: actually stop it. I think it takes something like a
Speaker 3: six or five creed More or slugs shotgun. I mean,
Speaker 3: as you said, man like it. Really, I really wish
Speaker 3: I could still be ignorant to that type of thing,
Speaker 3: because it's changed my entire lifestyle ever since then, the
Speaker 3: way I act like even to this day where I live. Man,
Speaker 3: I don't like going outside at night. I truly don't
Speaker 3: like to one out at night anymore, even to get
Speaker 3: to my car. I will if my wife needs me
Speaker 3: to go out there. But like you know, I was
Speaker 3: also before this happened, I was more comfortable with my
Speaker 3: kids being outside playing a night. You know, we live
Speaker 3: in a cul de sac. We know all the neighbors.
Speaker 3: Now it's like once dusk falls, get inside and you know,
Speaker 3: the experiences there have not stopped. In fact, in the
Speaker 3: last year or two, Like from what I've read and seen,
Speaker 3: they're actually getting more and more common almost. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen that, but it seems
Speaker 3: like the the farther we're moving along in the years,
Speaker 3: there's more people either one willing to come out about
Speaker 3: what they've seen, or two they are actually having more experiences.
Speaker 3: Like something has a paradigm, a shift along the lines.
Speaker 1: But it's like the veil. The veil has been pulled
Speaker 1: back just a little bit, and it's kind of exactly
Speaker 1: it's made it to where these things are more seen
Speaker 1: and widely. Like note, I feel like they're still not
Speaker 1: well known, but at the same time, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot more people talking about it. I don't know that's
Speaker 1: because of the rise of the internet, podcast, these social
Speaker 1: media groups, whatever, but I feel like more and more
Speaker 1: these topics are starting to rise to the surface.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, it's and I believe you're right. I think
Speaker 3: that's social media and the connection that people have now.
Speaker 3: Like you know, back in the nineties and even in
Speaker 3: before Facebook really got big, even during the MySpace days,
Speaker 3: it was still relatively like within your community type thing,
Speaker 3: and there was always people with in the community that
Speaker 3: had these experiences, but either one weren't willing to come
Speaker 3: out and talk about it, or if you did, you're
Speaker 3: called crazy, and which would then further shove that down. Now,
Speaker 3: with the rise of social media, the connectivity that we
Speaker 3: have video, you know, the video capabilities, audio capabilities have
Speaker 3: gone so advanced. Now everybody's got a phone. Back in
Speaker 3: the day, unless you're carrying around a polaroid or you know,
Speaker 3: had a really really decent razor not many people had them,
Speaker 3: or even the quality to actually take decent photos, videos,
Speaker 3: any type of evidence. Now there's so much of it.
Speaker 3: All you gotta do is look. But I believe you're right.
Speaker 3: There's almost like a veil that's been lifted. And what
Speaker 3: the the catalyst that has caused a veil to lift
Speaker 3: some I don't think that we may we might know eventually,
Speaker 3: but I don't. I think there's a lot of factors
Speaker 3: do go into it, like the whole cern thing. Those
Speaker 3: are particle accelerators and all that. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: go too much into that, but that's always been a
Speaker 3: kind of curious question of mine about it, and the
Speaker 3: fact that the US has quite a the world has
Speaker 3: quite a few more of them than just the big one.
Speaker 3: You know, the whole thing with Roslynd, New York, and
Speaker 3: you know the projects with them, of the portal theories
Speaker 3: and all that Martin Groves experience around there, and then
Speaker 3: even stuff like looking back in time into the older
Speaker 3: days about the legends. I believe that there's a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff that you know, people look at older cultures
Speaker 3: from back into thirteen fourteen hundreds as stupid. I mean technologically,
Speaker 3: of course, they didn't have any of that. However, we
Speaker 3: still had the same type of brain makeup as modern
Speaker 3: humans from back then. They were not stupid by any means.
Speaker 3: I mean, they probably didn't have a great way to
Speaker 3: explain it. But there's a lot coming from especially with
Speaker 3: dog men. There's stories in Irish folklore of the fail
Speaker 3: lot and they were known as fishing Sinocephali, essentially same
Speaker 3: thing in Greece. You know, there was plenty of cultures
Speaker 3: that had these legends. France had the Beast of Govert.
Speaker 3: I think I'm trying to think that Germany obviously had
Speaker 3: a lot of stories about where wolves were walking dogs.
Speaker 3: The Egyptians had a Nubis. You know, this is something
Speaker 3: that a lot of different cultures have had throughout history.
Speaker 3: And then once the more or less the Inquisition and
Speaker 3: all that, and then the witch trials and all that,
Speaker 3: that kind of all was buried pretty heavily due to
Speaker 3: it being demonic in nature, so they hit it hidden,
Speaker 3: not Colledge type deal.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I've touched base on this on some
Speaker 1: other episodes too, Like throughout history there's always been these
Speaker 1: dog headed human lead figures, and it's not just a
Speaker 1: new thing. Everyone's like, oh, you've heard about dog man
Speaker 1: in the last like forty years because of the Michigan
Speaker 1: dog Man song and the stories. Yeah, that's not necessarily true, because,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, the ancient Egyptians had a new Bis,
Speaker 1: which was a dog man or a wolf's head of
Speaker 1: a dog or whatever, and then they had the werewolf
Speaker 1: trials in the middle like the over in France and
Speaker 1: like the middle of the seven hundreds, I think, and
Speaker 1: then there's been all sorts of sightings and stuff and
Speaker 1: stories throughout Native American lore. A lot of the say
Speaker 1: they were skinwalker, but that's that's different than what a
Speaker 1: dog man is. Some people, absolutely some people get that confused,
Speaker 1: but it's a there's still other stories about stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So it's like, where did all these stories come from? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're on different continents, exactly how did indigence people from
Speaker 1: different continents come up with the same stories. It's almost
Speaker 1: like the same concept I had was like they also
Speaker 1: came up with building pyramids at the same time out
Speaker 1: of people thousands of miles away build all the same
Speaker 1: stuff exactly.
Speaker 3: That's I have the exact same thoughts with that as well.
Speaker 3: And you know, they didn't have any semblance of the internet.
Speaker 3: Those communities were so small. The chance of you going
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty miles in your lifetime unless you
Speaker 3: were a traveler or you know, had something to do,
Speaker 3: it's rare, much less going thousands of miles to different continents,
Speaker 3: especially within those time periods. You know, and the fact
Speaker 3: that you said the spread of time has been so
Speaker 3: huge and these have stayed in I mean, there was
Speaker 3: cases I forget exactly where, but with sign Ofcepphali, you know,
Speaker 3: an entire a king lett, an entire army pass them.
Speaker 3: Just on the mention of one hundred or fifty or
Speaker 3: two hundred of these dog headed creatures with the army.
Speaker 3: He was like, all right, you know what go on.
Speaker 3: I don't want to deal with that at all, and
Speaker 3: a little it's weird because being in the Appalachians especially,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know the geographical history of
Speaker 3: the Appalachians and where we were connected to back in
Speaker 3: the day before the break. You know, when the continents
Speaker 3: separated the Appalachian mountains here from New York all the
Speaker 3: way down to I believe Georgia were originally connected to
Speaker 3: Ireland and Scotland. We were all the same mountain range,
Speaker 3: which is also exactly why they happened to settle here.
Speaker 3: When the Irish and the Scottish got here, they hated
Speaker 3: the coast and they started to move inland. When they
Speaker 3: found these mountains, they said, oh, home, looks just like
Speaker 3: where we used to live. Well, we're gonna settle here.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: My theory is if these things have been around for
Speaker 3: so long, they wouldn't get up and leave if the
Speaker 3: continents split, man, why would they leave, They would just
Speaker 3: stick where they're at. If they happen to be within
Speaker 3: these same things, they probably will now. And when it
Speaker 3: comes down to it, the Irish lore of were wolves
Speaker 3: are the Scottish wolver and as I said, the fail
Speaker 3: ode in Irish culture. It's a really not And I
Speaker 3: just even discovered this a couple of months ago, which
Speaker 3: has been a huge thing because everybody talks about Native
Speaker 3: American burial mounds being heavily connected to dog men, and
Speaker 3: I've noticed a lot of the times that these particular
Speaker 3: instances at least where there's violence that come from a
Speaker 3: dog man encounter, like the Beast of LBL, the LBL
Speaker 3: encounters with Martin Groves, and then before that with the
Speaker 3: family and all that that didn't make it, and then
Speaker 3: also with Martin Groves talking about the firefighter who was
Speaker 3: also subsequently found near and then his experience, you know,
Speaker 3: actually having them surround this camp and attack, and then
Speaker 3: he had more to say about that. But yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a huge that's a story in its own right. But
Speaker 3: he talked about how there were burial mounds nearby that area.
Speaker 3: If you look in the Irish folklore and I actually
Speaker 3: have I can't remember the god, but there was two sectors.
Speaker 3: And it's strange if you look in the Irish folklore
Speaker 3: with dog men, they were not necessarily violent, evil creatures.
Speaker 3: They were actually guardians of the sick, the wounded during
Speaker 3: war of children, which matches up to some of the
Speaker 3: more historical accounts of you know, like the little I
Speaker 3: can't remember when exactly it was like back in the
Speaker 3: eighteen late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, when the little
Speaker 3: girl ended up her little boy ended up getting separated
Speaker 3: from his family or her family, and then was basically
Speaker 3: taken care of by a large bear for a couple
Speaker 3: of days. I mean, you could take that how you
Speaker 3: want it. But you know, for a while there I
Speaker 3: didn't believe, you know, if it's a dog man, these
Speaker 3: things inherently bad. Well you start looking more into that.
Speaker 3: That was in the same range as where the Irish
Speaker 3: folklore came in as well. You know, I don't think
Speaker 3: that they're all purely evil. I believe, yeah, if you
Speaker 3: get into their stuff, they like to scare people away,
Speaker 3: they like to frighten you. But I don't think that
Speaker 3: all of them are like that. However, there was a
Speaker 3: sector within that, and I can't remember I have a
Speaker 3: link to it. I don't want to leave the link
Speaker 3: or this zoom call because I don't want it to
Speaker 3: get disconnected, but I've saved it on my phone. But
Speaker 3: there was a particular god called the God of the Mound,
Speaker 3: God of the burial mound, and he was more or
Speaker 3: less what you could consider pretty evil. You know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't a good one at all, and often took blood sacrifice,
Speaker 3: I believe. But there was a sect of dog men
Speaker 3: apparently in that culture that were attached to these mounds,
Speaker 3: and they were not good. They were warrior class, very strong,
Speaker 3: but they enjoyed bloodshed, fighting and actually what they required,
Speaker 3: you could kings would hire this clan essentially of what
Speaker 3: they were, and what they required was not payment, well
Speaker 3: I guess you could call it payment, but it was
Speaker 3: literally to eat the infants and the soldiers that they
Speaker 3: would kill in combat. They wanted their flesh. That was,
Speaker 3: you know, their entire existence was fighting, murder, you know, eating, hunting, killing,
Speaker 3: much much different from the other classification of that. And
Speaker 3: if you look in America, a lot of the and
Speaker 3: it comes from a native American thing where I think,
Speaker 3: as you said, the whole Skinwalker thing runs in, it's
Speaker 3: very closely attached to burial mounds. Well, that particular sector
Speaker 3: dog Men happened to be exactly connected to the god
Speaker 3: of burial mounds as well. Whether that be Irish Native American,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's made me often wonder about that
Speaker 3: connection as well when it comes down to it all.
Speaker 3: But I think that there's a lot about these things.
Speaker 3: I mean obviously that we do not know. It's such
Speaker 3: a newer phenomena, well newer for modern day.
Speaker 1: But newer for what people are talking about today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that confining it to one theory
Speaker 3: might not be I don't think that's pa. I believe
Speaker 3: that there could be, you know, the old gods of
Speaker 3: Appalachia as they call them, the older gods of the world.
Speaker 3: You know, there could be connection with that. You'll look
Speaker 3: into the whole interdimensional theory. Who knows. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: been situations with the whole you know, and it makes
Speaker 3: me wonder about the time MESSI case, the sound of
Speaker 3: you know, almost time space being ripped, you know what
Speaker 3: Martin Groves heard, what I've heard in Arcadia as well,
Speaker 3: which when me and my son have been out there,
Speaker 3: we hear that from up in the mountain, we get
Speaker 3: out of there. I don't play that game when it
Speaker 3: comes down to hearing rock on metal or sounding almost like.
Speaker 3: The best way I can describe the sound from my
Speaker 3: own experience is like, have you ever seen Silent Hill
Speaker 3: the old movie?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 3: Actually same here, great movie, but you know when pyramid
Speaker 3: Head first shows up and he's got that his sword
Speaker 3: is dragging on the ground. That's that's the noise. It
Speaker 3: sounds like metal being scraped across rock, and yeah, I've
Speaker 3: anytime I hear that coming from especially up in the
Speaker 3: mountains where there is no roads, there is no pass
Speaker 3: we get out of there very very quickly. My son,
Speaker 3: even I wish he was here to tell you some
Speaker 3: of his experiences. He is in school, though, but he's had,
Speaker 3: well we were out there noises experience. He's seen stuff
Speaker 3: himself out there along with me, which he's thankfully never
Speaker 3: seen one full figure, because I don't know what would
Speaker 3: have happen. And it honestly terrifies me to even think
Speaker 3: about my child being there with one of those things,
Speaker 3: because it's hard enough for me to you know, worry
Speaker 3: about myself having to you know, I'd rather die than
Speaker 3: my kid. Of course, I'd rather put him into place,
Speaker 3: but I don't want him to ever be around that.
Speaker 3: But we've had strange experiences up there too. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the whole interdimensional theory that comes from that, you know,
Speaker 3: they at this point UFOs, Aliens and all that. I'm
Speaker 3: almost one hundred percent sure that that is obviously existing,
Speaker 3: the whole all the paradoxes and all that we're just showing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're the only thing out there. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean you'll look back and as you said, the Nubis,
Speaker 3: the Egyptians, these pyramids, well there also happens to be
Speaker 3: around those areas a lot of legends that involve dog
Speaker 3: headed beings. So who honestly knows, man, I mean, I
Speaker 3: can't say they're not real anymore. I've seen them. I
Speaker 3: just don't know what in the world they are, which
Speaker 3: is almost more scary than if I had a straight
Speaker 3: up answer.
Speaker 1: Are like you know, but I don't think any of
Speaker 1: us will ever truly know what they are because I don't.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, as much as everyone looks into it,
Speaker 1: and even with having my own experience. I still remain
Speaker 1: skeptical of a lot of things because I can't say
Speaker 1: for sure that it's a flesh and blood creature. If
Speaker 1: it's an interdimensional creature, is there such a thing as intermensions? Like,
Speaker 1: there's so much unknown stuff that it's hard to pinpoint anything,
Speaker 1: and no one's ever really came at it from a
Speaker 1: scientific standpoint of how something like this could even exist,
Speaker 1: like biologically, So it's it doesn't make sense, like if
Speaker 1: you think about it in this respect from science point
Speaker 1: of view, that there is no definitive like evolutionary chain
Speaker 1: of a dog being able to walk like a human
Speaker 1: or have the same functions as a human. I can
Speaker 1: understand the sasquatch because there is such things as other apes.
Speaker 1: Gigantopithic gets existed. Yeah, we exist, so it makes sense
Speaker 1: for us. But there's never been a canine that's ever
Speaker 1: evolved into bipedal that I'm aware of. There's ever been
Speaker 1: any evolutionary lines for that either. Yeah, I agree, right struggle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's same here as that I think logically, and
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that. I've done the research. I
Speaker 3: tried to look into that as much as I can.
Speaker 3: With you, know, trying to even find an inkling of connection,
Speaker 3: and there really isn't any not in not in any way,
Speaker 3: shape or form. I mean I have of course, there's
Speaker 3: always theories to go through my head about it. You know,
Speaker 3: could it have been a hybrid of some sort? Could
Speaker 3: it have been I mean, there's a lot of animals
Speaker 3: out there. We're discovering new stuff every day, new elements,
Speaker 3: new animals, new compounds. I mean, there's so much that
Speaker 3: we just don't know. But as you said, there's nothing
Speaker 3: up to this point that can be really heavily identified,
Speaker 3: like this is where it could be existent, or how
Speaker 3: it could have come to be. I mean that said
Speaker 3: bigfoot sasquatch. I'm almost one hundred percent sure those are real. Man,
Speaker 3: Like every other there's always no thing. Well, we can't
Speaker 3: have primates in America, it's too cold. Japan has snow
Speaker 3: monkeys and there. Yeah, I mean, now that would make sad.
Speaker 3: He said, I forgot exactly that. You said the the
Speaker 3: huge or more or less orangutan that they found the boat. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you. Like those that's pretty closely related to what
Speaker 3: I would believe one would very very much look like
Speaker 3: full on blast. I mean and there's so many different
Speaker 3: sightings with those. A lot of people that have even
Speaker 3: worked within the forestry department around here have had experiences
Speaker 3: in Bath County, the highlands of Virginia where they've seen
Speaker 3: stuff along those lines. Heard the knocking. I mean, heck,
Speaker 3: I heard the knocking. I've seen the structures, huge nest
Speaker 3: sites in Arcadia even that are just like massive, big
Speaker 3: bedded down all trees that were knocked, you know, down
Speaker 3: into the area. You find trees that are, you know,
Speaker 3: relatively young, that looked like something had walked by, grabbed
Speaker 3: and then pulled and snapped in the process of moving
Speaker 3: through them, seven eight feet up in the air. So
Speaker 3: that's type of stuff that's like, you know that that
Speaker 3: makes sense, but when it comes on a dog man,
Speaker 3: it's like it's so foreign almost to logic that it's
Speaker 3: incredibly hard to try to figure out. Now, could the
Speaker 3: whole I've always been curious about the whole government being
Speaker 3: involved possibly in a creation of something along those lines
Speaker 3: as well, which the more I've looked into it.
Speaker 1: I just's struggle. I wouldn't put it past the government,
Speaker 1: but I struggled just because throughout history there's been reports
Speaker 1: of these obviously before there was a genetic manipulation by
Speaker 1: the government.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I come back to, is like, well, then,
Speaker 1: what were they seeing in the seventeen hundreds, what was
Speaker 1: the new best supposedly based off of was all these
Speaker 1: cave drawings and paintings and stuff throughout history from different
Speaker 1: tribes around the world. They all have seen something, So
Speaker 1: I can't I don't think the government was making stuff
Speaker 1: back in those days.
Speaker 3: No, I don't believe, Like when I think about the government,
Speaker 3: I don't believe that they created this. However, if anybody
Speaker 3: in the East the United States would have knowledge of
Speaker 3: these things, especially with the whole and I don't like
Speaker 3: bringing in missing for one one a lot, because there's
Speaker 3: a lot of weirdness in that entire run as well.
Speaker 3: But if something's out there, they would probably have some
Speaker 3: inkling about it. If they did and they found potential
Speaker 3: to weaponize it, I could see them possibly trying to
Speaker 3: mess around with that if they actually got one by that. So,
Speaker 3: as you said, we may never We will never know,
Speaker 3: especially if they have their fingers into it, whether or
Speaker 3: not they've done some type of bioengineering on something already
Speaker 3: pre existing along the there's lines. I really hope they
Speaker 3: didn't because, as history shows, they're not always the most
Speaker 3: you know, smart and safe with what they create exactly
Speaker 3: or really go dabbling in. I mean, they have the
Speaker 3: best of the best in a lot of fields. But
Speaker 3: even then, I've know scientists to like to mess around
Speaker 3: with things that it probably shouldn't be played with. It's
Speaker 3: like the old Jurassic Park there. You know it's because
Speaker 3: you should, it can doesn't mean you probably should.
Speaker 1: Definitely, That's how I feel a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but.
Speaker 1: I think we can wrap this one up. It's been
Speaker 1: about an hour and I've got kids upstairs at her
Speaker 1: feel wrestle media going on.
Speaker 3: Was not running through plexus, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate you coming on here and talk with today.
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Hey man, no problem anytime. If you're ever around my
Speaker 3: area man with your family, let me know. I know
Speaker 3: a lot of good places to eat, a lot of
Speaker 3: fun things to do around here. Man.
Speaker 1: So well, we're talking about making a trip sometime maybe
Speaker 1: next year for spring break, so maybe I'll look into it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, I'll tell you run out Virginia. It's Star
Speaker 3: City of the South is what they call it. But
Speaker 3: for families, Man, this place is amazing. It's beautiful and
Speaker 3: I cannot say enough good things about it. But if
Speaker 3: you do, of course, man, let me know. Food and
Speaker 3: drinks on me.
Speaker 1: So been a pleasure, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Thank you, had no problem, brother, Be safe, man, glad
Speaker 3: talking to you.
Speaker 1: Jedediahd quite the story to share, that's for sure. Definitely
Speaker 1: got the creeping vibe going on of that. I want
Speaker 1: to thank him again for coming on here tonight and
Speaker 1: sharing that with us. I hope you guys enjoyed his encounter.
Speaker 1: We're gonna switch gears up here a little bit, and
Speaker 1: I don't usually do this, but for the sake of
Speaker 1: this being a special episode, I thought this was a
Speaker 1: little interesting. I recently received an email from I would
Speaker 1: say it would be anonymous. It was kind of weird letterings,
Speaker 1: and then when I tried to reply, it says the
Speaker 1: email doesn't exist. So I thought that was a little
Speaker 1: bit strange. But with that being said, I went ahead
Speaker 1: and had the computer go ahead and read this off
Speaker 1: for you. Figure out to add this a little bit
Speaker 1: here as a transition between the next story. So hope
Speaker 1: you guys enjoy this, and then we're going to go
Speaker 1: on into the encounter with Mary.
Speaker 5: I saw a post that you were looking for someone
Speaker 5: who has had an encounter for your podcast. I had one,
Speaker 5: but I am not willing to speak on it publicly.
Speaker 5: Coming forward with such a claim would jeopardize my current
Speaker 5: profession and lose any credibility I have attained over the years.
Speaker 5: I will, however, permit use of my encounter within the
Speaker 5: confides of this letter in whichever way you deem appropriate.
Speaker 5: In the summer of two thousand and eighteen, I was
Speaker 5: on a hike in an area where I cannot disclose.
Speaker 5: I am already taking a risk by exposing this information,
Speaker 5: and I am not willing to chance someone being able
Speaker 5: to figure out my identity. During this hike, I lost
Speaker 5: track of time. This happens fairly often for me. I
Speaker 5: enjoy getting away from the normal routine and trying to
Speaker 5: enjoying nature to its fullest extent. As it started to
Speaker 5: get dark, I realized I needed to get back to
Speaker 5: where I left my vehicle parked. I wasn't too far
Speaker 5: from it, but it was far enough that if I
Speaker 5: didn't hurry, I would end up walking in the dark,
Speaker 5: I didn't bring a light, only my phone. I've done
Speaker 5: this numerous times and have never had any sort of strangeness,
Speaker 5: but this time something felt off. I cannot describe it
Speaker 5: as anything more than just an odd feeling like someone
Speaker 5: was watching me. Being alone, I felt vulnerable. I wasn't
Speaker 5: thinking of it being anything more than just a feeling,
Speaker 5: but it was enough to make me uncomfortable. As I
Speaker 5: got closer to where I had parked, maybe within one kilometer,
Speaker 5: I noticed that the normal sound of the forest was
Speaker 5: no longer active. There was an eerie silence that I've
Speaker 5: never experienced before while walking down these trails. In my research,
Speaker 5: it has been suggested and observed that animals will go
Speaker 5: quiet in the presence of a predator. I firmly believe
Speaker 5: this was the case. Within the next minute or two,
Speaker 5: I heard something that broke the silence. It was the
Speaker 5: sound of something walking behind me, but at a strange pace.
Speaker 5: I looked back but saw nothing. Startled by this, I
Speaker 5: hastily kept heading in the direction my vehicle. I started
Speaker 5: hearing more footsteps along the trees as leaves and sticks
Speaker 5: were being crunched. It was coming from both sides and
Speaker 5: what still sounded like was walking directly behind me on
Speaker 5: the trail. I started to run, knowing this was not ideal,
Speaker 5: but the primal instinct and adrenaline searched me forward. As
Speaker 5: I made it to my vehicle, it sounded like whatever
Speaker 5: it was had circled around me, but there wasn't anything visible.
Speaker 5: As soon as I started to drive off, thinking I
Speaker 5: was safe, something stepped out directly in my line of sight.
Speaker 5: We have no known bipotal animals in this area beside humans,
Speaker 5: but this creature walked as if it was a man.
Speaker 5: Its face looked very much canine in appearance, but its
Speaker 5: shape was not that of any I am familiar with.
Speaker 5: Areas of its body had strange markings or perhaps scarce,
Speaker 5: as the fur was missing. It was not an animal
Speaker 5: with mange. That is the most logical explanation I have
Speaker 5: came across as a bear with mange. There are no
Speaker 5: wild bears in this region, but that does not mean
Speaker 5: it is impossible. As it stood there in my head lights,
Speaker 5: I had came to a stop as it was blocking
Speaker 5: my path forward. I now believe it was doing this intentionally,
Speaker 5: as from the right side of the wood line ran
Speaker 5: another right up to my driver's window, its breath causing
Speaker 5: my window to steam over. I pressed down as hard
Speaker 5: as possible on the accelerator and drove right towards whatever
Speaker 5: was standing in the road. It must have jumped out
Speaker 5: of the way, but it happened so fast that I
Speaker 5: am unaware of where it would have went. But it
Speaker 5: was no longer there, and as I was driving off,
Speaker 5: leaving a cloud of dust behind, both creatures were giving chase,
Speaker 5: but were quickly engulfed by the pathway's dust. I tried
Speaker 5: to file a report with the proper chain of command
Speaker 5: about what happened, to which I was instructed to drop
Speaker 5: any further claims if this happening. In fear of any
Speaker 5: sort of retribution, I have remained silent. I now firmly
Speaker 5: believe that others are aware of these creatures, but are
Speaker 5: not able to discuss them publicly. I'm not sure how
Speaker 5: far the knowledge goes, or what the reasoning behind the secret.
Speaker 5: I believe them to be dangerous, but also curious. They
Speaker 5: could have easily attacked me, and if they wanted to.
Speaker 5: I believe they were making their presence known and either
Speaker 5: wanted me to leave, or they wanted to see what
Speaker 5: I would do. I would like to apologize for being
Speaker 5: cautiously vague. Be careful with who you speak with. There
Speaker 5: are many out there who seek to discredit their existence
Speaker 5: and others who have more financial benefit by spreading misinformation.
Speaker 1: I'd like to take this time and welcome my guest
Speaker 1: to day, Mary, Mary. Thanks for coming on here and
Speaker 1: talking with me.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: So where are you from?
Speaker 2: Originally I'm from Delaware, but I moved to Ohio when
Speaker 2: I was ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're not too far. I live in Indiana,
Speaker 1: so kind of in the same Midwestern states, right, the
Speaker 1: good old Midwest. Now, you'd messaged me back a couple
Speaker 1: months ago about your encounter that you'd had, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was a little interesting just because of some
Speaker 1: of the details to it. But if you'd like to
Speaker 1: jump into it, feel free.
Speaker 2: Okay. It was back in the early two thousands. Don't
Speaker 2: remember exactly what year, I know it was early two thousands.
Speaker 2: Me and my mom were heading to home from my
Speaker 2: aunt's house she lived over in pa Well, we were
Speaker 2: living in Majori at the time, and we were driving home,
Speaker 2: taking the back roads, and how we would go would
Speaker 2: we would oh, it was called Hubbard Majory Road. And
Speaker 2: from Hubbard Majory me like turned on to Chestnut Bridge
Speaker 2: between Hubbard and Majorie because it was still kind of early.
Speaker 2: I'm not really early. It was like ten o'clock at night,
Speaker 2: but it was early for us. And I've heard all
Speaker 2: these different stories about North Fox North and I'm like, hey, ma,
Speaker 2: it's I think it was like end of September, early October,
Speaker 2: but it was still really warm out. We had our
Speaker 2: windows rolled down. I'm like, let's take a drive down
Speaker 2: north Fox North see what all these stories are about
Speaker 2: about the railroad tracks and whatnot. So she decides we
Speaker 2: had nothing better to do. She went for it. Turned
Speaker 2: the car off when we got to the railroad tracks,
Speaker 2: turned all the lights off, everything we were supposed to
Speaker 2: do so we could hear the screaming, you know, the
Speaker 2: crying woman. Nothing happened. I mean we sat there for
Speaker 2: a good like fifteen twenty minutes, nothing happens, turn lights on,
Speaker 2: turned back around, started heading back to Chestnut Ridge, and
Speaker 2: it was clear when we turned onto north Fox North
Speaker 2: coming back, there is like a world dense heavy fog
Speaker 2: just at the entrance of North Fox North to Chestnut
Speaker 2: Ridge and someone kind of slowed down, and because we
Speaker 2: couldn't really see what was coming, and we get to
Speaker 2: the stop sign and out of this world dunse Fog
Speaker 2: comes walking this like humongous dog. We thought at first
Speaker 2: that somebody's Doverman pincher had gotten loose, so we rolled
Speaker 2: up the windows and we'd sat there and we're like,
Speaker 2: what is that. We're trying to figure it out because
Speaker 2: it was bigger than what a Doberman pincher would look like.
Speaker 2: And this truck was coming off of sixty two turned
Speaker 2: down Justnut Ridge, and as its headlights hit it, that's
Speaker 2: when we actually saw what we were looking at. And
Speaker 2: it looked the only way I can describe this thing
Speaker 2: is it looked like a dog from Resonant Evil with
Speaker 2: the chunks of fur and skin and all that missing
Speaker 2: from it. And it had its head down and was
Speaker 2: walking or slowed towards us like it was stalking us. Well,
Speaker 2: the truck saw it, the truck stopped. Mom was trying
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to get out around it
Speaker 2: because we were absolutely terrified. We didn't know what it was.
Speaker 2: All we can all we could think of is Resident
Speaker 2: Evil dog from Resident evil and she turned. He he around,
Speaker 2: the truck stopped, The dog turned, looked at the truck
Speaker 2: started moving towards the truck. Well as it got closer
Speaker 2: to the truck, because it was closer to the truck
Speaker 2: than it was to us. And we saw that it
Speaker 2: was a good incher two. The back of this dog
Speaker 2: was a good inch or two above the hood of
Speaker 2: the truck, and it was a lifted truck. It had
Speaker 2: the huge tires to it. And we took that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Mom took off and I think we made it home
Speaker 2: within like three minutes. And it was a good like
Speaker 2: ten minute drive from where we were, and we made
Speaker 2: it home. It's three minutes. I never saw it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we never saw anything like that again. And Mom to
Speaker 2: this day has not driven down that road.
Speaker 1: Was it on all four legs?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible that I know this is
Speaker 1: it's been thrown towards me about stuff as well, that
Speaker 1: it could have possibly been like a bear with mange.
Speaker 1: I know that's always go to skeptic's point of view
Speaker 1: of when you see something strangely. It was just a
Speaker 1: bear with mange.
Speaker 2: No living in Majory and traveling that area, because I
Speaker 2: would drive and walk that area all the time, never
Speaker 2: once saw any sign of bears.
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the areas. I don't know bears
Speaker 1: are even there. I don't Here in Indiana we don't
Speaker 1: have bears, but we also aren't supposed to have dog
Speaker 1: men walking gay nineties.
Speaker 2: They're so right. Well, I told my boyfriend about it
Speaker 2: because we've told a few people about it, because when
Speaker 2: we got home, my mom and me looked at each
Speaker 2: other and we're like, I wish we had a camera.
Speaker 2: Nobody is going to believe us.
Speaker 1: What do the ears look like.
Speaker 2: Like a Gerberman pincers?
Speaker 1: The so pointy? Yeah, okay, that's the one thing I
Speaker 1: always kind of go to when people say bear, usually
Speaker 1: bears ears. To the best of my knowledge, I'm no
Speaker 1: zoology around. Yes, they're around it, and pointy is more
Speaker 1: canine or feline or something like that.
Speaker 2: So now it was you take a picture of the
Speaker 2: old Resident Evil style video games, and that's what we saw.
Speaker 2: Just like bigger.
Speaker 1: About judging, how tall would you think? It was? Just
Speaker 1: on four legs?
Speaker 2: As I said, it was a lifted truck that it
Speaker 2: was walking towards, and the back of it was a
Speaker 2: good two inches above that, So I would say it
Speaker 2: was a good like four feet from its back, not
Speaker 2: even counting its head, just its back down to the ground.
Speaker 1: That's pretty big for a dog in general. I don't
Speaker 1: know of any dogs back four feet from the ground.
Speaker 2: That's right, neither do I.
Speaker 1: How long would you think it was?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Is that.
Speaker 2: I have to say probably probably, Like I'm probably like
Speaker 2: way off on this two had a half three feet
Speaker 2: because mean, it was like it was massive, it was huge,
Speaker 2: but you I don't know. I want to say like
Speaker 2: one and a half three feet, but that just doesn't
Speaker 2: seem right in my head.
Speaker 1: So that's about the size of a normal sized dog.
Speaker 1: So either it's legs that have to be extremely long
Speaker 1: or yeah, I don't know, how long would you think
Speaker 1: the legs were? It looked like it had abnormally long
Speaker 1: legs because the body link itself seems fairly normal. It's
Speaker 1: just I don't know how it would be so tall
Speaker 1: if it was proportionate wise, it seems like its legs
Speaker 1: would be a lot bigger just to get to that height, right, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean it was basically overall it appear normal size
Speaker 1: except the height of it. Yeah, Okay, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if any dog that would be really tall leg
Speaker 1: wise and the more compressed, like almost like a stockier
Speaker 1: long leg dog. Right, even even the biggest dogs that
Speaker 1: are like the.
Speaker 2: Like the greyhounds that have like naturally long legs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great great Danes sometimes have pointiers as well, and
Speaker 1: they're fairly tall, but I don't know if they're but
Speaker 1: their backs and everything, they're nowhere near four feet tall
Speaker 1: from the back part of them.
Speaker 4: So right.
Speaker 1: The description from what you say, it almost reminds me,
Speaker 1: and I think I said this to you before, the
Speaker 1: old lore of the hell hound, the old black dog
Speaker 1: always patrolling around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what my boyfriend had told me. When I
Speaker 2: first told him, he was like, honey, he's like, you
Speaker 2: saw a hell hound.
Speaker 1: We used to have a area that we used to
Speaker 1: go to, so it's to be a haunted place, and
Speaker 1: on the way there, there was always a big black
Speaker 1: dog we always called the hell hound that would run
Speaker 1: out and we've seen it laying in people's yards before,
Speaker 1: so we knew it was just third dog. But it
Speaker 1: was just a big, large black dog and it always
Speaker 1: would come out and chase your vehicle. And as teenagers,
Speaker 1: were like, Oh, there's a hell hound, right.
Speaker 2: Well, my boyfriend did research on the area because he's
Speaker 2: really into that. Completely by accident, but he goes he's
Speaker 2: more into like the Bigfoot. He's found out that they
Speaker 2: have like a mini harp stationed around that area, and
Speaker 2: that area for years has had several like paranormal things happen.
Speaker 1: Not to get too off topic, but I've always thought
Speaker 1: that when they put up these weird facilities or whatever,
Speaker 1: there's a reason why they do it in specific areas.
Speaker 1: I think it's because of the actual activity that goes
Speaker 1: on there. I think there's some sort of a dinner
Speaker 1: veil or something.
Speaker 2: Right now, I believe it, But yeah, he did. He
Speaker 2: found out there's like a mini harp stationed there.
Speaker 1: The harp is one of those weird instances I've talked about,
Speaker 1: I think on our first episode a little bit that
Speaker 1: I've ever done. But yeah, it's that in Itself's the
Speaker 1: reason I call the podcast ten foil Tels because we
Speaker 1: dive into those conspiracies too. So you've never had any
Speaker 1: other experience with something similar to a canine like that,
Speaker 1: Now you had to guess what it actually was. What
Speaker 1: in your mind you think it.
Speaker 2: Was mine resin Deevil Dog. It's that's what it looked like.
Speaker 2: That's it's the resin Eevil Dog.
Speaker 1: Did it look like they were fresh wounds on it,
Speaker 1: like blood? Or was it did it look like it
Speaker 1: was just missing fur scars or how did that look?
Speaker 2: No, it looked like old old bands. That just because
Speaker 2: you could see down to the bone and the muscle
Speaker 2: and it just.
Speaker 4: It looked like.
Speaker 1: Almost like the zombie dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why mean Mom. That's why mean Mom nicknamed
Speaker 2: it the resin Eevil Dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Growing up, that was always one of my favorite
Speaker 1: games and all about those dogs. First time I played
Speaker 1: it back in I think ninety seven. Uh, like I'm
Speaker 1: bursting through the window. Scared the crap out of me
Speaker 1: and my friend my little brow there, Right, but those
Speaker 1: were good times.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I could play the first game. After that, uh huh.
Speaker 2: I could watch people play it. I could solve the puzzles.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't physically play it.
Speaker 1: They got progressively harder, but I think they've gotten better
Speaker 1: over time.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, Mary, I appreciate you coming on here and talk
Speaker 1: with me, but I think we're gonna try to wrap
Speaker 1: this one up. This is going to be included, like
Speaker 1: I said earlier on this special episode that I've got
Speaker 1: going on. So I'm trying to keep these episodes a
Speaker 1: little shorter just because I've got to try to compile
Speaker 1: them all.
Speaker 2: Together, right, and my story is so short on that anyway, Now, you're.
Speaker 1: Your story is similar to a lot of I've heard
Speaker 1: from other podcasts and other witnesses as well, like they
Speaker 1: see something and it just kind of goes on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's how it kind of happened. Like you
Speaker 1: see something, it's real quick and then from there, like
Speaker 1: even mine, mine's a little different just because of what
Speaker 1: went on and I went back. But other than that,
Speaker 1: like a lot of the time, people only see these
Speaker 1: things for a split second or two, so there's not
Speaker 1: all well, there's not a whole lot to the stories.
Speaker 1: Half the time, if you have a big, in depth story,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's kind of questionable about if it's so long
Speaker 1: and intricate, how come it didn't attack you know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, right, we weren't you make me the chance to No, I.
Speaker 1: Don't blame you. People said, I'm brave for going back
Speaker 1: to see what I look for, as I I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm brave. I think I'm probably just stupid.
Speaker 2: But you know, nah, because I've actually gone back hoping
Speaker 2: to see it again and nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you don't want to see it again, to
Speaker 1: be honest.
Speaker 2: Because I want to make sure that what I saw
Speaker 2: was actually what I saw, because you know how some
Speaker 2: it's like you get home and you think about it,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, was that worldly what I saw? Could
Speaker 2: it have been something else? But the size doesn't add up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. A lot of
Speaker 1: people need that validation to reaffirm that they saw what
Speaker 1: they saw, so they're not crazy right now. I completely
Speaker 1: get it. But again, I appreciate you coming on here
Speaker 1: and talk with me this morning. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Oh You're more than welcome.
Speaker 1: And if you happen to see anything strange again, know
Speaker 1: where to reach out to exactly. All right, Well you
Speaker 1: take care, thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you you too, b Bye.
Speaker 1: In February of two thousand and seven, I encountered something
Speaker 1: in the middle of the road one night, and it
Speaker 1: really changed my whole perspective of what I could believe
Speaker 1: in and what I didn't believe in. I've always been
Speaker 1: a skeptical person. When I saw this creature, it defied
Speaker 1: any type of logic. Nothing like this is known to exist,
Speaker 1: and nothing like this should exist. But I saw this
Speaker 1: strange creature. I will not say a dog man or
Speaker 1: anything like that, because it didn't have the typical dog
Speaker 1: man featured other than the fact that it was just
Speaker 1: a large black dog that could walk on two legs.
Speaker 1: Is a dog man? Was it something else? There's a
Speaker 1: lot more to the story than just that, but that
Speaker 1: is the event that changed my reality of being able
Speaker 1: to accept the unacceptable, maybe really start questioning things and
Speaker 1: diving into stories and other people's stories about what they've encountered.
Speaker 1: That is why I made ten Foiltales podcast. So if
Speaker 1: you're still listening and you have a story you'd like
Speaker 1: to share, feel free to send an email in Foiltales
Speaker 1: podcast at gmail dot com. We will get you scheduled
Speaker 1: on a future episode. We're going to bring in the
Speaker 1: last guest for this episode, so I really appreciate all
Speaker 1: you sticking around listening to it checking it out, and
Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed it. I'd like to
Speaker 1: take this time and welcome my guest tonight.
Speaker 4: Al.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on here talking with me.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for having me brother, Thank you
Speaker 4: very much. It's my excited you to be here, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Thank you, definitely my pleasure to have you. So I've
Speaker 1: only heard little bits and pieces about your experience. You've
Speaker 1: had several and a lot of other ones too, but
Speaker 1: far as dog Man goes, I know I was recommended
Speaker 1: to reach out to you. So you want to give
Speaker 1: a little bit of background for the listeners about yourself
Speaker 1: before we dive into it.
Speaker 4: Okay, my name is al Santa Riga. I'm a paranormal.
Speaker 4: Unless you get a research I'm the founder of the
Speaker 4: Bronxville Paranormal Society. I'm founder of the New York State
Speaker 4: UFO Project, the founder of the New York State dog
Speaker 4: Man Project, founder of the New York State Sasquatch Organization.
Speaker 4: And I was just made director of Regent three UH
Speaker 4: for the North American Dogban Project by Jodie Cook today
Speaker 4: as a matter of fact, price it was a surprise
Speaker 4: to me. And so you know, I have my hands
Speaker 4: and a lot of different things, and you know you
Speaker 4: can find me on we have a YouTube page, and
Speaker 4: we have all over the social media, but mostly I'm
Speaker 4: on Facebook. That's where I kind of stay most of
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 1: That's what I do too. I just I got these
Speaker 1: social medias and I hate social media in general, so
Speaker 1: I stick with Facebook because that's the only one I
Speaker 1: really tend to use. The other ones I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't mess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's just too many, too many different
Speaker 4: media sites, and my partner has got us on every
Speaker 4: single thing under the sun, and I just can't keep
Speaker 4: up with all of that stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I'll stick to Facebook. If people people want to
Speaker 4: talk to me, they can reach me at any of
Speaker 4: those groups. I get all the emails. I think the BPS,
Speaker 4: the Bronchiel Paranormal side we have we have a hot
Speaker 4: line there, and we have a hot line for I
Speaker 4: think the I think it's the New York State UPSOL
Speaker 4: project as well. If you call, I'll either get me
Speaker 4: my partner Brian, and we'll get back to you guys,
Speaker 4: and or you can reach me my private messenger on
Speaker 4: Facebook Messenger and just message me privately and I'll answer
Speaker 4: any question you have or you know, talk to you.
Speaker 4: I'm not very accessible, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I reached out to you and within like
Speaker 1: a minute, you responded to me.
Speaker 4: So yeah, like I said, well, you know, you know
Speaker 4: all the right people, you know what?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but starting to get my foot in the
Speaker 1: door a little bit.
Speaker 4: Good, good, absolutely, And once you get your foot in that,
Speaker 4: once you get that door cracked, uh, be careful what
Speaker 4: you wish for. Anyway, we we were out one night
Speaker 4: doing an investigation and we were bluffed arched. Long story short,
Speaker 4: we thought it was a sasquatch. After we looked at
Speaker 4: at the photos, we turned out to be a dog man. Okay,
Speaker 4: so it's being pulled back to that location, not knowing
Speaker 4: why went back to that location, And after hours of
Speaker 4: looking and not finding anything, I jumped up on this
Speaker 4: giant rock and I moved some cattails that were in
Speaker 4: the swamps, and I noticed there was a den in
Speaker 4: the swamp. And I had my partner Brian jump up
Speaker 4: with my cameraman Bill jump on this giant rock and
Speaker 4: we looked into it and Bill zoomed in, and when
Speaker 4: we zoomed in, we see the giant K nine wolf
Speaker 4: like head looking to the south, and then a smaller one,
Speaker 4: almost coyote ish, not coyote hyena ish, looking at us,
Speaker 4: snarling at us, and we believed that was the one
Speaker 4: that actually bought bluff charged us to high one. And
Speaker 4: you know, we found a lot of evidence that day,
Speaker 4: once the veil was most.
Speaker 1: From our eyes.
Speaker 4: We found a lot of evidence and went home not
Speaker 4: taking anything of it. And then one night, it was
Speaker 4: maybe a couple months later, because we were we were
Speaker 4: there in July and it was around September, early October.
Speaker 4: I'm sleeping and I'm a city guy. I grew up
Speaker 4: in the city. I live up in the country now.
Speaker 4: And you know, when you grow up in the city,
Speaker 4: you live on the fresh floor. You don't leave your
Speaker 4: windows open at night because someone will crawl in. Okay,
Speaker 4: but I had already taken the air conditions out of
Speaker 4: the window. It was a hot, full night, so I
Speaker 4: had the bedroom window opened by my side of the bed,
Speaker 4: which is something I never do, and my wife is
Speaker 4: sleeping next to me. We have a little cat in
Speaker 4: between us, one of our cats, and around three o'clock
Speaker 4: in the morning popped up. Just felt like there was
Speaker 4: something wrong, felt a strange energy. And I don't claim
Speaker 4: to be psychic by any stretching imagination, but I do
Speaker 4: have all the clarees I can't do them at will.
Speaker 4: It just comes to me as it comes to me.
Speaker 4: And a little voice in my head said, touch the wall.
Speaker 4: And I touched the wall, and I was trying to
Speaker 4: get a feeling for what was on the other side
Speaker 4: of the wall. And it wasn't like a sasquatch energy,
Speaker 4: because I do have sasquatches that come by and leave
Speaker 4: me gifts in my yard. But it wasn't a sasquatch energy,
Speaker 4: and it just had an ominous failing to it. And
Speaker 4: then the little cat CALLI not CALLI, what's the guy's
Speaker 4: name of Patch? Patch jumped up out of the bed
Speaker 4: and ran upstairs. She was scared to death. At that point,
Speaker 4: I got up and I went and looked out the window,
Speaker 4: and I couldn't see any The yard was pitch black.
Speaker 4: It was a dark night, and they couldn't see anything.
Speaker 4: But I heard something go and I was like, what
Speaker 4: the hell is that? So I slowly closed the window
Speaker 4: along I grabbed a pistol group shot and I have
Speaker 4: in the closet. I go around a chamber and I
Speaker 4: started to walk towards the kitchen to open up sliding
Speaker 4: glitz stort to put those floodlights on in the yard
Speaker 4: to see what was out there. And as I was
Speaker 4: walking through the living room, a little voice in my
Speaker 4: head said, stop, you don't want to see what's out there.
Speaker 4: Go back to bed. This is something that you know
Speaker 4: is nine out of ten times, I'm going to see
Speaker 4: what's out there, because that's just who I am, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. If there's something or somebody in
Speaker 4: my yard, I gotta know about it. But for some
Speaker 4: reason that night, I turned around the round out of
Speaker 4: the chamber, I put the shock and the way I
Speaker 4: went back to bed like nothing happened, jumped in the
Speaker 4: car to work, called on partner Brian. I said, dude,
Speaker 4: I think there was a dog been at my house.
Speaker 4: And he said, okay, when you go home tonight, check
Speaker 4: the backyard for prints, you know, for tracks. Now, we
Speaker 4: had just had our backyard dug up because we had
Speaker 4: just laid down new lines from the well we had
Speaker 4: well water. We had ran new lines from the well
Speaker 4: back to the house, and so there was a lot
Speaker 4: of dirt and not a lot of grass at this point.
Speaker 4: And when I got home that night, I went to
Speaker 4: the backyard and I looked around and there underneath the window,
Speaker 4: because the lines kind of run right underneath my bedroom
Speaker 4: window to the basement. Under the bedroom window were three
Speaker 4: claw marks, like to let them say, yeah, I was
Speaker 4: here last night, you know. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: very interesting, you know. I took pictures of the claw marks,
Speaker 4: the scratches in the dirt. I took pictures of the
Speaker 4: window where they were situated and everything, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: wonder what that's all about. Didn't really know what that
Speaker 4: was all about, you know, not putting two and two together,
Speaker 4: like why is there a dog being at my house?
Speaker 4: But about a week or so later, I go out
Speaker 4: in the morning to start my car and get up
Speaker 4: before thirty in the water, and I usually go out.
Speaker 4: When I go out to start my car, I have
Speaker 4: four cars on the drive with starting mine closest to
Speaker 4: the street, and my wife's, my daughters and my sons,
Speaker 4: and I go out. I usually take a can of
Speaker 4: pepper spray with me in a nice size pocket knife nothing,
Speaker 4: you know, not a not a bowie knife, ranking but
Speaker 4: a nice size because sometimes we have packs of wild
Speaker 4: dogs that run through the neighborhood and tear up the garbage,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to be mulled by pack of
Speaker 4: wild dogs, and we have coyotes up here are the
Speaker 4: sides of German shepherds. I had one run into me
Speaker 4: and not be into train and dislocate my shoulder, you know.
Speaker 4: So I'm not gonna be an honest I go out
Speaker 4: with my little knife and my pepper spray. I start
Speaker 4: up the car and as I'm walking out towards the car,
Speaker 4: I feel like something is watching me. As I look around,
Speaker 4: there's nothing in my yard. I look into my neighbor
Speaker 4: to the left, and I look to my neighbors to
Speaker 4: the right. There's nothing in nothing out there. Oh, before
Speaker 4: I go out, I five o'clock in the morning, four
Speaker 4: thirty in the morning, I opened up the sliding glass
Speaker 4: store because we have this little cat so lives in
Speaker 4: the doghouse outside. Her name is Calli and she's patching
Speaker 4: his mom okay, and we feed her. I feed her
Speaker 4: in the morning, and then I closed close up the
Speaker 4: sliding lift store again. I lock it. Now I'm walking
Speaker 4: out after feeding feeding Cali, and I'm walking out and
Speaker 4: I get this feeling. And I'm just far enough down
Speaker 4: the walk where the sense of lights on the front
Speaker 4: deck are on have come on, and I can't see
Speaker 4: really anything under the deck because the sens of lights
Speaker 4: are blinding me. Walk out to my car, start it up,
Speaker 4: and I'm walking back and I'm getting this feeling like
Speaker 4: there is something under the front deck. And man, I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, every fiber in my body was flugg out
Speaker 4: of control. So I'm the type of guy that if
Speaker 4: there's something that's not supposed to be there there, whether
Speaker 4: it's a human or anything else, I'm going to approach it.
Speaker 4: We're gonna find out what it is. So as I
Speaker 4: start walking towards the front deck with the garages, every
Speaker 4: step I take, I'm hearing a little voice in my
Speaker 4: head say you should stop right here, and I keep going.
Speaker 4: I passed my wife's car, and I passed my son's car,
Speaker 4: and I'm coming up on my daughter's car and like
Speaker 4: red flags are going off in my head and the
Speaker 4: voice is agreement, stop stop. I got my knife out
Speaker 4: at this point. I got the I got the I
Speaker 4: got the pepper spray in one hand, the knife in
Speaker 4: the other, and I'm just getting up to the front
Speaker 4: door of my daughter's car and it's halfway underneath the
Speaker 4: deck and I'm looking at it. I've got my hand
Speaker 4: in front of my eye to shade my eyes from
Speaker 4: the sensor lights, and I start to see the biggest
Speaker 4: K nine head you've ever seen in your life under
Speaker 4: the front deck. Now the deck is about seven feet high,
Speaker 4: and whatever under there is kind of bunched over to
Speaker 4: get under there. And as my eyes are starting to focus,
Speaker 4: I see like a lion's man come down off its
Speaker 4: shoulders and down its chest. And I know what I'm
Speaker 4: looking at. I know what I'm looking at, and I
Speaker 4: hear a little voice in my head say, you should
Speaker 4: probably start to back head, laddie here, you know. And
Speaker 4: I start to back out slowly. And I'm backing out slowly.
Speaker 4: And as I get to the front steps and I'm
Speaker 4: going up to the house, I'm debating with myself. Do
Speaker 4: I wake up my son and my son in law,
Speaker 4: break out the guns and go to war with this thing,
Speaker 4: because I got plenty of guns and I got plenty
Speaker 4: of ammunition, and everybody in my house shoots, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: but I've heard enough stories that it never really ends
Speaker 4: well for people who go to war with these creatures.
Speaker 4: So I say, you know what, I'm not going to
Speaker 4: say nothing to nobody. I'm gonna just go and go
Speaker 4: to go in the house, get my stuff, get myself
Speaker 4: and go to work. So I do that. I don't
Speaker 4: say anything to anybody. I go in the house, I
Speaker 4: lock in the door, I go to get a car
Speaker 4: and I drive off. I go to work, but on
Speaker 4: the way out, I my tactical flesh light because I
Speaker 4: want to see. I want to get eyes on what's
Speaker 4: under there. You know, I'm just seeing a really huge
Speaker 4: dark shadow figure, you know, in the shape of a canine,
Speaker 4: a bipedal canine. So I grab my tactical fleshlight and
Speaker 4: I put it on. And there's nothing under the deck.
Speaker 4: Whichever is there is God.
Speaker 1: But as I.
Speaker 4: Walk closer to the deck, I'm smelling the most nastiest
Speaker 4: pukeut kind of smell. And I noticed that this creature
Speaker 4: has urinated all over my brand new retaining wall. And
Speaker 4: the urine is running down the wall, and it's running
Speaker 4: down to the drain, and it stinks to high heaven,
Speaker 4: and it's looks like an almost like an oil slick.
Speaker 4: It's got a oily kind of substance to it. It's
Speaker 4: it's like a slick, kind of oily kind of look
Speaker 4: to it. And I get in the car, and I'm pissed.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, man, this thing just pissed out my brand
Speaker 4: new wall.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: That really burns my ass, you know. And then I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: as I'm driving, I'm thinking, well, this is a sign
Speaker 4: of dominance. He's trying to take Clane to my house.
Speaker 4: You know, he pissed out my property, you know, not
Speaker 4: thinking back to the day we seen the creatures in
Speaker 4: the den, I know for a fact now I remember,
Speaker 4: didn't remember at that time, but at some point I
Speaker 4: had a urinate and I urinated not necessarily on the den.
Speaker 4: This was in the middle of the swamp, but on
Speaker 4: you know, like the trees that were surrounded what that
Speaker 4: was surrounding the swamp. So maybe he thought I was
Speaker 4: trying to take Lane to his territory and he was
Speaker 4: going to do the same to me. So I get
Speaker 4: to work, get to work an hour early. I get
Speaker 4: to work, I'm sitting in the lunch room. I'm drinking
Speaker 4: my coffee, reading my paper, and my wife calls me
Speaker 4: and she's hysterical, and I go, what's the matter? And
Speaker 4: she's like, I went to open the sliding glass door
Speaker 4: on the back my sliding lift store has three different
Speaker 4: locks on it. Again, because I'm from the city and
Speaker 4: we're anal that way to make sure everything is locked.
Speaker 4: And up here in the country there are no street
Speaker 4: lights and it's dark.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: When you go from the city where it's always street
Speaker 4: lights and noise, thinking, well, open the country with it's
Speaker 4: no lights and it's dark and it's quiet, it's spooky.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: So we when we put our sliding glass door in,
Speaker 4: we made sure we got one with three different locks,
Speaker 4: you know. And I went to open up the sliding
Speaker 4: glass door to see Cali, and I was like, why
Speaker 4: are you seeing the cat against She just feed her
Speaker 4: at flying s thirty? Why are you seeing her at
Speaker 4: seven thirty? She just and that doesn't matter. What matters
Speaker 4: is when I opened the Sliding Glifts store, the door
Speaker 4: started to fall out of the frame on top of her.
Speaker 4: And my son just happened to be in the kitchen
Speaker 4: getting ready to go to the school, I think back then,
Speaker 4: and he caught the door and he put it back
Speaker 4: up and he locked it all up, and she was really,
Speaker 4: you know, hysterical, but she could have been crushed, you know,
Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, I'll tell you what, leave
Speaker 4: the door locked. I'm off tomorrow. When I get home,
Speaker 4: I'll reset the whole thing. You know, we'll set it
Speaker 4: all up. I'll put it back in and reset it
Speaker 4: and make sure all the tracks set. Everything is okay.
Speaker 4: And then I started thinking, this creature went to my backyard.
Speaker 4: He went on my back deck, and he tried to
Speaker 4: pop the door off of the out of the track.
Speaker 4: I guess, just to show me how easy it is
Speaker 4: if you wanted to get in, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's something as big as this creature was could have
Speaker 4: just ran through the sliding glass door if I wanted to,
Speaker 4: or pull the whole door out of the frame. But
Speaker 4: it felt like that he was trying to pop that
Speaker 4: door out of its tracks, just to show how easy
Speaker 4: it is to get in. I don't know how drifted
Speaker 4: creature like that would even know how to do something
Speaker 4: like that, you know, but it knew because there's no other,
Speaker 4: no other reason that door came out of the tracks
Speaker 4: the way it did. Un Let someone try to, you know,
Speaker 4: knock it out. And that was the only thing that
Speaker 4: happened that night, you know. So when I went home
Speaker 4: the next day, I said, the thing and I said, Okay,
Speaker 4: now I got to go back to where the den was,
Speaker 4: you know. And I went back to where the den was,
Speaker 4: and I, you know, like a maniac in the middle
Speaker 4: of the woods. I'm saying, listen, I know where you live,
Speaker 4: you know where I live. You stay in your house
Speaker 4: and I'll stay in mine, and everything will be fine.
Speaker 4: But I really don't want to have to go to
Speaker 4: war with you. But if you come back to my property,
Speaker 4: there will be hell to pay, you know. And you
Speaker 4: know it's just I mean, I don't live that far
Speaker 4: from the location, Okay. I live maybe twenty miles, not
Speaker 4: even fifteen miles from the location of the den. And
Speaker 4: from that location to my house, you can get here
Speaker 4: just going through the woods and maybe crossing over a
Speaker 4: one or two lane road here and there, like in
Speaker 4: a neighborhood. Now, like I said, none of them have
Speaker 4: any lights on them. So if it's just walking through
Speaker 4: the woods through the neighborhoods, no one is going to
Speaker 4: see it unless somebody is driving up the street, you know.
Speaker 4: And it's it's not unthinkable that it could do that
Speaker 4: and then go back to where it came from without
Speaker 4: being seen. And I have one hundred acres of witch
Speaker 4: behind my house, and I have one hundred acre as
Speaker 4: a wet land and across the streets from my house,
Speaker 4: you know, so there are plenty of woods around me,
Speaker 4: and it would be very easy for this preacher to
Speaker 4: do something like that. And I mean, the thought of,
Speaker 4: you know, a dog man ever coming to my house
Speaker 4: never crossed my mind, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 4: like I said in the beginning, I've had sasquatch come
Speaker 4: here and leave big gifts quartz, crystal stones and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. But I've seen here the sasquatches go through
Speaker 4: because they go from the swamp to my backyard. Because
Speaker 4: this whole development at one time was apple orchards, and
Speaker 4: there are still apple watches and trees in the woods.
Speaker 4: You know, they're built up around them. As a matter
Speaker 4: of fact, there's even a road that goes up that
Speaker 4: they used to use to go pick the apples, you know. So,
Speaker 4: so if the sasquatch are coming through to get apples
Speaker 4: and going to swamp to hunt, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: necessarily think the dog men are doing the same thing.
Speaker 4: I think that particular dog man was there for me
Speaker 4: and just to let me know that he knew where
Speaker 4: I lived, and he just wanted to show me how
Speaker 4: easy it would it would be to get into my
Speaker 4: house if we wanted to, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's basically that's like the short the
Speaker 4: short version, you know, of a long story. But I mean,
Speaker 4: it's crazy. It's just, you know, to think about cryptid
Speaker 4: and creature like that just coming to your house to
Speaker 4: to like, even when it put the claw marks on
Speaker 4: the dirt, it did it to let me know that
Speaker 4: it was there. You know.
Speaker 1: Actually I have some questions about that.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: You mentioned it was like three am and left three marks.
Speaker 1: And I've often heard other accounts for people say these
Speaker 1: things come to them, like it's come to their house,
Speaker 1: it looks through their windows at them. And I've heard
Speaker 1: one and I don't know where I listened to it at,
Speaker 1: but the guy said it spoke to him, but it
Speaker 1: almost spoke to him like telepathically, and they kept saying
Speaker 1: let me in and to me. Recently, I've started digging
Speaker 1: into things, the whole let me in the thing of three.
Speaker 1: It's like walking the Holy Trinity. It almost sounds like
Speaker 1: demonic to an extent, like it's asking you to let
Speaker 1: it in, like it seems like a demon would like
Speaker 1: let me in. You have to invite the demon in.
Speaker 1: It almost has like a vampire lore to it as well,
Speaker 1: like they had to invite the vampires in. Have you
Speaker 1: heard anything like that before.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think there's a lot of miss identification with
Speaker 4: these creatures. I think there are just one man's opinion.
Speaker 4: I think there are there are a couple of different kinds.
Speaker 4: I think there are the demons that represented shell themselves
Speaker 4: to you as a dog man, because say, no, this
Speaker 4: particular creature scans the crap out of you, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. So I think and I think the
Speaker 4: demons are these entities, these demonic entities. These are the
Speaker 4: ones that people say when they say, I've seen the
Speaker 4: dogmen in my house. It just popped into my house.
Speaker 4: You know. I don't think it's actually a real, you know,
Speaker 4: flesh of blood dog man. I think it's a demon,
Speaker 4: and I think it'll show itself to you in whatever
Speaker 4: scres you the most. Then you have the interdimensional ones,
Speaker 4: the ones that people shoot and they track them. There's
Speaker 4: a blood trail. They track them, They track them and
Speaker 4: they track them, and then the blood trail ends and
Speaker 4: the creature is nowhere to be found. And I think
Speaker 4: I've spoken to enough world renowned psychics. Whenever I do,
Speaker 4: said posy. If I get put at a table with
Speaker 4: a world renowned psychic, I always have to pick their brain.
Speaker 4: And the one question I asked all of them is
Speaker 4: where do these dog man creatures come from? And they
Speaker 4: all tell me the same thing, that there is a
Speaker 4: breed of a dog man that's flesh and blood that's here,
Speaker 4: like the sasquatch, but there's also a breed that's interdimensional.
Speaker 4: It comes in and out of our dimension to hunts
Speaker 4: because the word got so much abundant food here, you know.
Speaker 4: And sometimes they stay here, sometimes they go back, and
Speaker 4: then you have this breed that goes back to antiguity.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: These dog man creatures go back to antiguity. And these creatures,
Speaker 4: these are are flesh and blood creatures and can be killed.
Speaker 4: And I've known a couple of different people who have
Speaker 4: killed them, you know, shot them and killed them and
Speaker 4: burnt them and buried them, and you know, so I
Speaker 4: think we're dealing with more than one one creatures in itself,
Speaker 4: you know. And I don't know if the voice I
Speaker 4: heard going to the kitchen that day with the shakun
Speaker 4: that morning that said, stop, you don't want to see
Speaker 4: what's out there, go back to bed. Was the dog
Speaker 4: man talking to me telepathically, or my guardian angel will say, dude,
Speaker 4: let this one go, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 4: honestly couldn't tell you what it was, but I hear
Speaker 4: I get voices like that all the time that'll say,
Speaker 4: you know, don't go here, go this way, or touch
Speaker 4: this wolves and see what images you get in your
Speaker 4: mind's eye, you know what I mean. So I don't
Speaker 4: necessarily believe that that dog man was talking to me telepathic.
Speaker 4: I do believe they can talk to us telepathically if
Speaker 4: they want to, But I don't think it was I
Speaker 4: think it was my guardian angel that was telling me
Speaker 4: you don't want to see what's out on that deck,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, or out in your yard.
Speaker 4: It's just it was just freaking because I'm probably would
Speaker 4: have started shooting right away, went to shotgun, you know,
Speaker 4: if I seen what was out there. So you know,
Speaker 4: I'm glad I didn't. And for me to just turn
Speaker 4: around and go back to bed and go to sleep
Speaker 4: is so against every fiver of my being. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not that guy that turns the blind's eye to shit.
Speaker 4: I'm that guy that runs towards trouble to see if
Speaker 4: I can, you know, either help somebody or save somebody,
Speaker 4: you know. So even that day, when I was walking
Speaker 4: towards it, and I had that nice in my hand,
Speaker 4: you know, like as I was getting closer, I heard
Speaker 4: the voice that you should open that nice and I
Speaker 4: slipped it open. You should get that pepper can spray ready.
Speaker 4: And then when I got really really close, I heard
Speaker 4: that voice say you should stop right about here. And
Speaker 4: Becca's if this thing wanted to. It was seven feet tall,
Speaker 4: hunched over. I'm sure if it wanted to, he could
Speaker 4: have just reached out, and once White caught me in half,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I before, I never had
Speaker 4: a chance and got sit with a pocket knife and
Speaker 4: a catapepsy, you know, but that's all I had on
Speaker 4: me at the time. So that's what I you know,
Speaker 4: was going to defend myself with. But yeah, no, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just it's crazy to think that these things will
Speaker 4: follow you home. And you know, ever since I had
Speaker 4: my very very first sighting of a dog man. It's
Speaker 4: like we've been late, and you know, the first one
Speaker 4: led to the second one, led to the third one,
Speaker 4: which led to the fourth ones, lent in the fifth one,
Speaker 4: which led to the sixth one. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And it's just it's just.
Speaker 1: Brazy. Yeah, why do you think that there's so much
Speaker 1: trouble to actually prove their existence? Like you don't ever
Speaker 1: see any credible evidence from anyone, Like we've seen them.
Speaker 1: People have seen them. I went to some people take pictures.
Speaker 1: I've had people send me pictures, but a lot of
Speaker 1: them will play trees. I can't I can't make out
Speaker 1: like a lot of it's a dog man's like it
Speaker 1: looks like a bush.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, no, Look, I went to school for photography,
Speaker 4: graduated from the Center of Media Arts in Manhattan, and
Speaker 4: I get a lot of a lot of paradolia photographs.
Speaker 4: And everybody thinks they got the smoking gun and when
Speaker 4: and you tell them, you know this this shadow and
Speaker 4: you know light and shadow play on a tree, but
Speaker 4: that's a tree bark. And yet everybody gets spent out
Speaker 4: of shape. I don't take any more photos anymore. Tide
Speaker 4: to fight with people. Uh, I've had I've bet attacked
Speaker 4: a million times over my photo dissection of photos. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know, as an ex photographer, I know when I'm
Speaker 4: looking at a picture, I know what I'm looking at,
Speaker 4: and I know what to look for. And with it's
Speaker 4: hot enough, with thirty five millimeter film, that is, you know,
Speaker 4: perfectly clear all the way through. But when you're playing
Speaker 4: with this digital stuff and all these digital art, the
Speaker 4: facts and everything else, it gets so muddy. The water
Speaker 4: gets so muddy. Ninety I would say seventy five percent
Speaker 4: of the stuff I have never makes it to any
Speaker 4: in my sights because I have a very high standard
Speaker 4: of you know what I mean, photos and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to put anything out there that looks
Speaker 4: like a blob, squatch or a paradilia. I'm just not
Speaker 4: going to do it. I'm not. And nowadays everybody thinks
Speaker 4: they got the everybody sees stuff. I mean, I'm get
Speaker 4: pictures where a guy walks out there front door, turns
Speaker 4: their back to the front of the house, take pictures
Speaker 4: of the woods behind him and then circles twenty things
Speaker 4: in the tree. And since they're all dog man, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, No, there's not twenty dog men
Speaker 4: sitting in the tree at cross the tree from your house,
Speaker 4: waiting for you to come out.
Speaker 1: It's just it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't work that way, you know. Yeah, it just doesn't.
Speaker 4: But you can't tell anybody anything, so you know, I
Speaker 4: keep it to myself now, but you know it's ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, I got I got two photos,
Speaker 4: one of the dog man that bluff charged us, okay,
Speaker 4: And I didn't even see it in the photo. As
Speaker 4: a photographer, because there's so much going on in a photo,
Speaker 4: I didn't see it. Somebody from California called me up
Speaker 4: and said, we put it. We put it all the
Speaker 4: evidence on YouTube and Facebook raw. And someone called me
Speaker 4: up and says, you know that photo you got of
Speaker 4: that little wall. And I said, yeah, well there's a
Speaker 4: dog being behind that wall. I said, okay, send me
Speaker 4: the photo. He sends it to me. I look at
Speaker 4: it right away. I think it's photo shop. I take
Speaker 4: my Stek card out of my camera, put it into
Speaker 4: the computer, and sure, shit, it's there. There's eight guys
Speaker 4: on the team and we're looking at this stuff on
Speaker 4: the sixty inch television and nobody noticed the dog man
Speaker 4: behind the wall looking at us because there's so much
Speaker 4: going on in the photo, you know. And then the
Speaker 4: same guy again, the same guy reaches out to me
Speaker 4: like a week later and says, you know that those
Speaker 4: you guys in the meadow with like those hundreds of
Speaker 4: orbs all around you, And I'm like yeah. He said, well,
Speaker 4: if you look in the shadows behind the light at
Speaker 4: the bottom of the picture, underneath a little red maple,
Speaker 4: there's a sasquash looking at you. And I started laughing.
Speaker 4: I'm like, send me the photo. Sends it to me again.
Speaker 4: I think it's photoshop. I go to my camera, take
Speaker 4: out the chip, put it in the computer, and shorter. Shit,
Speaker 4: there's a bigfoot right there looking at us. And I
Speaker 4: don't know if it was there for us, if it
Speaker 4: was there for all the orbs we had going on
Speaker 4: around us, or if it was there to make sure
Speaker 4: the dog men had bluff charges that night didn't come back.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you for sure. I think it was
Speaker 4: there for the dog men, to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: because the night we got bluff charge, we didn't know
Speaker 4: we were by a den, you know, we weren't there
Speaker 4: for the dog man. Then I had found three quartz
Speaker 4: crystal stones set up in a pyramid shape, and we
Speaker 4: were there to do experiments in the woods on those
Speaker 4: quartz crystals, and the den just happened to be behind us.
Speaker 4: But you know, with the cattails being twelve feet high,
Speaker 4: you can't see the den. We didn't know it was there,
Speaker 4: you know. And we had a big foo come up
Speaker 4: at and we'll bat us three times and then throw
Speaker 4: a rock at us the sides of a bowl and
Speaker 4: bull trying to get us out of that location because
Speaker 4: it was we were in a danger zone. But me
Speaker 4: being me, I wasn't ready to leave because I just
Speaker 4: felt like there was more to come, you know. And
Speaker 4: I'm glad I didn't leave because we did experience the
Speaker 4: bluff charge and everything else. But I mean, so I
Speaker 4: think that that bigfoot was there just to make sure
Speaker 4: that the dogman didn't come into the meadow or follow us,
Speaker 4: because we went from one side of the woods, which
Speaker 4: is like the dog man's side, to the other side,
Speaker 4: which is the big foot side, And I guess he
Speaker 4: was just making sure that the bigger of the two
Speaker 4: dog men, the one with the giant canine head, didn't
Speaker 4: come over it of their side of the woods, you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean. So it was crazy. I mean, and
Speaker 4: as you know, and to think that, you know, eight
Speaker 4: guys on the team were all experienced investigators. We're looking
Speaker 4: at this stuff on a sixty inch TV and nobody
Speaker 4: noticed it because it's in the shadows, just pass where
Speaker 4: the light of the cameras could reach, you know, just crazy,
Speaker 4: crazy stuff. And that's it too. Those are the only
Speaker 4: two that I'll ever show anybody. I mean, I have
Speaker 4: one more of a big guy Bigfoot up on the
Speaker 4: up on the hill, you know, behind a but behind
Speaker 4: like a bunch of leans. I could see his outline.
Speaker 4: But as far as the photographs, those two, in all
Speaker 4: the years I've been doing this, those two, those are
Speaker 4: the only two I show. So don't send me a
Speaker 4: picture of you a selfie taking pictures of you and
Speaker 4: circle thirteen things in a tree and tell me they're
Speaker 4: all dog men or Bigfoot, because I'm telling you you're delusional.
Speaker 4: It's not and it just doesn't happen that way, you know.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. I just don't say it to people.
Speaker 1: I was like, I think it's paradolia because I don't
Speaker 1: see anything in these photos. I see blobs, I see leaves,
Speaker 1: I see tree trunks. I'm not saying that they're not
Speaker 1: seeing what they think they're seeing. And I don't see
Speaker 1: what they're seeing.
Speaker 4: No, I look, and our brain is wired to see faces.
Speaker 4: And just about everything you see the commercial where they
Speaker 4: show the sink, the fire hydrant and all of these
Speaker 4: things look like a face, you know, And that's how
Speaker 4: our brain is hot wired. So if you're looking at
Speaker 4: a photo that's super pixelated, right because you're blowing it
Speaker 4: up it and you can, your brain will make faces
Speaker 4: in that photo, you know. And if you have dog
Speaker 4: being on your mind, you'll see faces with a snow,
Speaker 4: if you have bigfoot on your mind, you'll see face
Speaker 4: You'll see faces with conical heads. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: because that's what your brain is hot wired to see.
Speaker 4: But it's not there. It's not there. It's pixilation, it's
Speaker 4: it's a blob squatch, it's shadow and light. And but
Speaker 4: you can't tell these people anything. So I you know,
Speaker 4: I don't fight with anybody, you know, if that's what
Speaker 4: you think you're seeing, and more power to you. But
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you about my encounter off air. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do it on here. Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a mine's a little different from most people's. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I think we could probably wrap this up. I
Speaker 1: do want to I want, Like I said, I kept
Speaker 1: it short. I definitely appreciate you coming on here talking
Speaker 1: with me. It's been my pleasure.
Speaker 4: Oh no, absolutely, yeah, it's all It's all my pleasure.
Speaker 4: Believe me, it's my pleasure anytime someone reaches out to
Speaker 4: me to do an interview. I don't care if you
Speaker 4: have one follow or a million followers. If you ask
Speaker 4: me to come on and I can my skin allows
Speaker 4: me to do it, I will come on because I'm
Speaker 4: honored and I was asked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's lately people been asking me to come on
Speaker 1: their shows to uh talk about my experience. I was
Speaker 1: on VIC show a couple of months ago, and now
Speaker 1: I've just been getting like, I think I have like
Speaker 1: five or six interviews in the next couple of weeks
Speaker 1: of me going on to other people's shows. And I've
Speaker 1: had a couple of one the last week. So this
Speaker 1: is weird for me because I'm usually the one doing
Speaker 1: the interview. I'm not the one being interviewed.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I used to be a podcaster, and I
Speaker 4: hated it, to be honest with you, because I spent
Speaker 4: so much time doing research on the guest for the show,
Speaker 4: because I wanted the show to go off without a hitch,
Speaker 4: and I wanted there was three. There was three of us.
Speaker 4: It was me and my friend and Brian and our
Speaker 4: team Psychic, And you know, Brian was a tech guy.
Speaker 4: That Psychic just did what the psychics did, and I
Speaker 4: did all I got the guests, and I did all
Speaker 4: the all the research on the guests and everything else.
Speaker 4: And I was just spending so much time on the
Speaker 4: show that I wasn't getting out into the woods anymore
Speaker 4: or investigating. And I'm happiest when I'm out in the
Speaker 4: field investigating, doesn't matter what I'm investigating, whether it's ghost, aliens,
Speaker 4: or cryptids. I hiked to be out there, Like I
Speaker 4: just went out less Friday night, Friday at thirteenth, it
Speaker 4: was one percent of the moon. It was Friday at thirteenth.
Speaker 4: I was at a place of high strangeness and it
Speaker 4: was crazy. Okay, I'm going back out on the twenty eighth,
Speaker 4: because the twenty eighth is a full moon. The all
Speaker 4: the total opposite of the one percent of the moon
Speaker 4: and I'm doing I want to see how the energy
Speaker 4: is different from one percent of the moon compared to
Speaker 4: a full moon, you know what I mean. So I'm
Speaker 4: going back out and I'm psyched about that, and that's
Speaker 4: why I'm happy. I mean, yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's I'm carrying a fifty pounds bag big on
Speaker 4: my back. I'm hiking for them into the woods, four
Speaker 4: miles out in the middle of the night. But I
Speaker 4: know it sounds crazy, but that's what I'm at the
Speaker 4: I'm I happy for a place.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I I don't go out into the woods.
Speaker 1: I never really did, and anymore, I've said, whatever happened
Speaker 1: to me never really impacted me. But I've thought about
Speaker 1: this after I've said this, I kind of did because
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been camping out in the
Speaker 1: woods ever since then, and this was back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, like I nowiously don't do that stuff
Speaker 1: without thinking about it.
Speaker 4: I know, guys that we've had some really scary experiences
Speaker 4: in the woods, Like you know, if you really sat
Speaker 4: down and think about it, we could have died a
Speaker 4: couple of times, you know. And when they send back
Speaker 4: and think about it. Yeah, it won't go out in
Speaker 4: the woods anymore at night. They'll go during the day,
Speaker 4: but they won't go at night. And then I've had
Speaker 4: guys who I've had a couple of attachments on paranormal investigations,
Speaker 4: nothing dark or negative, but just something that attached to
Speaker 4: me a couple of times, and they've seen that that
Speaker 4: I've had a and when I leave, the attachment comes off.
Speaker 4: But I've had guys that say, you know what, I'm
Speaker 4: done with that ghost hunting stuff because I don't want
Speaker 4: to bring anything oh, you know as well, And I
Speaker 4: get it. I totally look. I understand both ends of
Speaker 4: the spectrum. You don't want to bring anything dark and
Speaker 4: negative home, because I've had friends who've gone squatching and
Speaker 4: brought dark stuff home that they call me and then
Speaker 4: I have to call other people to go there to
Speaker 4: cleanse their house, you know what I mean, because there's
Speaker 4: something dark and negative in it. And I know people
Speaker 4: like I said, we've could have died a couple of
Speaker 4: times for sure, or we could have died. You know,
Speaker 4: I probably could have died every time I've gone out,
Speaker 4: you know, but for sure there was two times that
Speaker 4: was really scary. And again with the ghost hunting stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, people do get attachments and some people get
Speaker 4: dark stuff, you know, and it's and they live with
Speaker 4: it for years or they can't get rid of it,
Speaker 4: you know, and it takes a special somebody to get
Speaker 4: that stuff off of them. So I get it when
Speaker 4: guys say, you know, I love I'll do this. I'll
Speaker 4: do aliens, but I won't do ghosts. Or I'll do
Speaker 4: I'll do big flip, but I won't do aliens. You know,
Speaker 4: Vice Varsity and outstyle. I get it.
Speaker 1: I I go into the rabbit hole on all sorts
Speaker 1: of topics. So I'm kind of exposed a lot about
Speaker 1: these days. But again I want to say thanks for
Speaker 1: coming on here and talking with me. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4: Again, pleasure was online, Brandon. Anytime, anytime you want to
Speaker 4: go down the rabbit hole with me, you let me know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely will. I enjoy having these discussions. You
Speaker 1: want to let everyone know one more time where then
Speaker 1: get ahold of you and everything else that you've been
Speaker 1: up to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can. You can find me on Facebook. It's
Speaker 4: the place to find me. The Bronx Fel Paranormal Society,
Speaker 4: the New York State UFO Project, the North America Dog
Speaker 4: we have Project, New York State Chapter, the New York
Speaker 4: State Dog we have project and the New York State
Speaker 4: Sasquash Our Organization. I'm the founder of all in Els
Speaker 4: and you could or you could just reach out to
Speaker 4: me personally, Al Santa Riga. I'd go by the squash
Speaker 4: Father these days, I was labeled to squatch Father and
Speaker 4: it kind of just nuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all righty well, I think we're going to roll
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