WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.519 And I just turned around and I call ass out 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:06.799 of there. 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.119 I was done. 4 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:09.359 I wasn't dealing with them. 5 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.240 The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things 6 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:16.719 that turned. 7 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:17.920 Me away the quickest. 8 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.839 When I turned my head lights on, it turned and 9 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:24.600 looked at us. 10 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.559 And one of the things I remember the most where 11 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:33.399 the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. 12 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.560 It is just circling these steps like it is waiting 13 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:38.000 for me. 14 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.159 And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. 15 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:51.560 They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven 16 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.640 foot up on a tree, peeking around it and that's 17 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.439 where I saw the top of the muzzle, noose and 18 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:59.880 the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with 19 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:02.439 this thing, I don't like death. 20 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:08.799 Hey, welcome back. Cult Listeners is branded from Tenfoil Teals 21 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.079 bringing you another episode on this one to day. I 22 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.719 interview several different people for a project that I had 23 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:18.840 going on several years ago for dog Man Encounters Radio. 24 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:21.439 This was a Halloween special that I was asked by 25 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:24.319 Vic Kundiff to do. 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Like to take this time and welcome my 54 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.280 guest today, Jedediah. Thanks for coming out and talking with me. 55 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:58.400 I had no problem man anytime. 56 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.599 So where are you from currently? 57 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:05.680 I'm living just outside of Renok, Virginia. It's down there southwest, 58 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.240 kind of close to the border of West Virginia, about 59 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:12.199 an hour and a half away from that. Go further 60 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.319 down south, you'll end up hitting the kind of Tennessee 61 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:20.560 Southwest Virginia, West Virginia, little area down there in North Carolina. 62 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.840 So yeah, Blue Ridge Mountain sector of the Appalachians. 63 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.159 You had any weird encounters while you've been down there? 64 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.039 Oh yeah, more here than anywhere else in my entire life. 65 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.000 So well, if you want to get started, I'd love 66 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:35.719 to hear about. 67 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:42.360 It, absolutely so I'll go chronologically with the experiences, and 68 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.000 these do all involve what I believe to be sign 69 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.879 a Cephali dog man. Whatever you want to consider them. 70 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:54.039 As an Irish folkal or fail od if. I probably 71 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:59.159 butchered that pronunciation. I do not know Celtic or Irish whatsoever. 72 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:03.319 But see, the first time I ever had a true 73 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:07.199 experience with anything along those lines, I was living just 74 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.520 outside of Venton, Virginia. It's probably about fifteen minutes away 75 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.520 from where I live, on a place called Jeter's Chapel 76 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:18.360 mount Now, this mountain's always had a lot of different 77 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:20.839 stories told. When I actually moved up there with my 78 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.240 now wife, and this was back in twenty twelve, you know, 79 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.879 it was before I had any I didn't really truly 80 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:34.120 believe in anything, you know, besides spirits, you know, UFOs, 81 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:35.680 that type of thing that was kind of just the 82 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:39.480 generic stuff I really believed in. Didn't really even believe 83 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.279 in bigfoot sasquatch, and definitely had never even heard of 84 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:49.680 a dog man. But the experience I had there, I mean, 85 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.600 there was quite a few of them. You know. There 86 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:55.959 was always the old sayings from her brothers, her dad. 87 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.240 We lived on a horse farm, so it was very isolated, 88 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:06.079 very quiet, but in the distance, you know, you'd hear shoot. 89 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:08.759 You'd end up here in almost like a drum cadence 90 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:12.439 sometimes you could hear footsteps out in the distance. And 91 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.199 this is a horse farm, so we were a good 92 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.240 ways away from pretty much anything or anybody. Sorry about that, 93 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.160 let me get that way back. You know. There was 94 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.279 times when my wife would tell me we had a 95 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.959 little one back then, Kimberly, my daughter, she was about 96 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.839 one years old, so i'd, you know, she'd called me 97 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:34.319 to go outside, go to the van, you know, diapers, wipes, 98 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:38.399 whatever I needed to give formula. And you know, I'm 99 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.920 an eagle scout. I've been camping all my life. I've 100 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:44.519 been hunting, fishing all my life, and I'd never felt 101 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:50.680 uncomfortable at night. For one and two in the wilderness, 102 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:56.920 that place was entirely different. I don't know why, but 103 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.639 the amount of anxiety I would get just by stepping 104 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.240 out or even thinking about having to go out there 105 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:07.519 was huge. I mean I had never gotten to the 106 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.920 point where I'd actually sprint to a vehicle, get in there, 107 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:13.480 get back inside fast. I mean it got to the 108 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:16.439 point where you know, I'd be out there some nights 109 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.319 and it would be so dang quiet. You could hear, 110 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.439 you know, my foot on the ground in the gravel. 111 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:23.920 That would be it into my own heartbeat. I mean, 112 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:28.439 just a truly, truly dead silence. No crickets, no nothing, 113 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:30.920 which in the mountains around here, that's really strange. You know, 114 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.120 there's always something running around doing something. But back then 115 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.560 I didn't really think anything of it at all. And 116 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.639 there were times when I'd go out there and you know, 117 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:44.519 i'd hear I'd be walking along or really running along, 118 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.639 and then after I would stop, you could still hear another, like, 119 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:52.600 you know, a step, which I would be like, okay, inside, 120 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.720 maybe it's a horse. And so it started happening more 121 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.639 and more, you know, there was more times. It got 122 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:00.839 to the point where there was situation where I would 123 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:03.800 feel uncomfortable even getting near the windows out there. But 124 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:05.759 that all led up. I was about there for two 125 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:12.000 months having these experiences, you know, just kind of weird feelings, 126 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:17.079 anxiety inducing. And it was a Friday night. I wish 127 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.519 I knew the exact date, but it's been so long, 128 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.120 but me and her went out and we decided to 129 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:24.480 have a bonfire, you know, out in one of the 130 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.920 fields there, which was our back to the barn, main 131 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.920 barn where all the horses were. And this barn held 132 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.079 I think it stabled had twelve stalls in there. I 133 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:39.519 think there was like four horses at the time. And 134 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.279 this was probably about i'd say eleven o'clock. Not a 135 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:45.399 full moon or anything like that in cliche. It was 136 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.079 just it was bright, but not incredibly bright where I 137 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.480 could see everything. Well. So we were probably about seventy 138 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.240 five yards out in the middle of this field, had 139 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.319 her back turned, you know, no alcohol, nothing like that. 140 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.439 I was only eighteen nineteen at the time, So yeah, 141 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:06.759 we were out there just enjoying it. And I remember thoroughly. 142 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.680 You know, the woods ended up getting quiet again while 143 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.040 we were out there, which was odd because before that 144 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:17.680 there was noises, crickets, you know, you could hear you know, wilderness, 145 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:21.360 you know, wildlife out there doing their thing. And it was. 146 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:23.920 Dog Man. 147 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:29.759 Yeah, and back then I didn't have the knowledge I 148 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:33.480 do today about dog Man. I didn't make that connection. 149 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:36.080 There was no you know, I just kind of brushed 150 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.039 it off, you know, like it is what it is. 151 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.000 Maybe they just all went away, and I remember we 152 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:46.360 had our back turned and I heard something that to 153 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.080 this day man still puts makes my hackles raised in 154 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.639 the back of my neck. But it was a very 155 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:55.759 distinct sound of bipedal movement from the top of this 156 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.799 It was a decent peak. I don't know exactly what 157 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.159 it is, maybe about a six twelve abe, but you know, 158 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.600 it was a decent peak, but not super sharp on 159 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:07.360 the top of this barn. But it was sheet metal. 160 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:11.080 And if anybody has a dog, you know what the 161 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:15.039 sound of their you know, a claw hitting metal or 162 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:19.519 tile sounds like yeah and yeah, that very very distinct, 163 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:23.639 like click click click. Well, you know, it's kind of stopping. 164 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.600 About two minutes later, I started getting uncomfortable and I 165 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:29.039 heard a sound. It was bipedal, which is what caught 166 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:33.120 me off guard. It was a fump, pump fump, with 167 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.360 that clicking at the end of it, and then slap 168 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.480 onto the actual ground just to the right of it. 169 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.960 And then heard something shoot off through the field back 170 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.080 down towards where the other house in the property, which 171 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.600 was empty at the time, and there's a lake down there, 172 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:49.159 and backs up to the deep woods where Jeter's Chip 173 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:53.600 Mountain is. There's just nothing but miles of wilderness. It 174 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:57.480 made her uncomfortable enough, who's lived She lived there all 175 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.399 of her life, pretty much ever since she was a 176 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.039 young child. That she said, all right, we gotta go. 177 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:04.639 We got to get inside, you know, and seeing her 178 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:08.000 react like that and hearing that too, you know, we 179 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:10.279 packed up. I put the fire out, make sure that 180 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:12.159 it wasn't going to go, and we go back, and 181 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:15.559 it shook me up bad. I mean, I wasn't crying 182 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:17.679 or anything along those lines, man, but it had me 183 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.440 truly weirded out. I mean, I had never experienced something 184 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.240 along to those lines before. So we get back, I 185 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:30.039 tell her brother, both of her brothers, and then her 186 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.120 dad about it, and her dad kind of gave me 187 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.799 a look that I still remember this day. And me 188 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:38.120 and him have now discussed it more that you know, 189 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:40.240 we're on good terms. I love my father in law, 190 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:43.720 and we've discussed it and he's come out more once 191 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:49.320 I told him these experiences and he's like, yeah, he's 192 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.799 had similar ones. So it was kind of now makes 193 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:55.600 a lot more sense. But the next night, you know, 194 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.360 we decided to do the same thing. Real smart of me, 195 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:02.080 I guess, but we decided, did you have everybody come out? 196 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:06.080 I was not going out there alone with her. I 197 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:08.080 wasn't going out there alone in general at this point, 198 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.879 after hearing something that was so far fetched and so 199 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.360 weird that I've never heard before, I mean here in 200 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:18.120 the bipedal movement, I've thought that. I mean, at best 201 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.879 it was somebody watching us up there, but that didn't 202 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.519 explain the clicking sound going down. I mean, steel toe 203 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.360 boots don't make that noise. Nor was the gap in 204 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:31.759 the impacts. I mean, I'm six foot tall, I played 205 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:33.919 soccer and all that, and the distance it would have 206 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.159 had to taken to go down a thirty five foot 207 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:41.320 you know, you'd have to be sprinting, and I don't 208 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.840 see on metal, especially when there's do on there, anything 209 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:45.919 or anybody that would be able to actually keep their 210 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.120 footing on that thing and go flap faw fwop, hit 211 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.159 the ground and shoot off at the speed. Well, we 212 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:55.720 all get out there. It was me, her brother, her 213 00:11:55.720 --> 00:12:01.279 brother's girlfriend at the time, her other brother, his friend, 214 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.600 and then my buddy Matt, and then of course my 215 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.759 now wife, and we were all out there and you know, 216 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.559 around the bonfire and all that, just enjoying ourselves. And 217 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:12.159 this was probably about one am. 218 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.360 And you know, I. 219 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.840 Told her brothers about it, and they started ribbing me 220 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:20.919 about it, were like, hey man, why don't you why 221 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:22.720 don't you tell a little ghost story around the fire 222 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.639 type deal, and I was like, I'd really rather not, 223 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.840 but I'll tell you the dang truth to what happened 224 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:32.159 and explain that story to them. Well, Brian, which is 225 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:36.440 her brother, and his friend Joey. They were like, oh, well, 226 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.120 we'll go on over to that barn right now we've 227 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:42.080 proved to you. I was like, I really don't want 228 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:46.480 you to go over there, like it's just please, don't like, 229 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.879 you know. So they start going over there and there's 230 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.000 a door on the right, two big sliding metal doors 231 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:53.399 so you can let the horses out, and on the 232 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:57.360 right side there was an office. Well, they start going 233 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.159 in there, and as soon as they got to that thing, 234 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.320 I went dead sigh one again, I mean truly dead 235 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.639 sil which her other brother and my buddy Matt both 236 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.840 picked up on and they were, you know, kind of 237 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:09.919 looking at each other weird. I knew what it was again, 238 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.320 and I was like, no, I'm getting out of here. 239 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.279 Told Courtney. I was like, we I'm going back to 240 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.120 the house right now, Like I do not feel comfortable 241 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:21.200 about this at all. Whatsoever they want to do that 242 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.159 and what they want to be idiots? Fine, but I'm 243 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.679 not sticking around. So we're packing up everything and I'm 244 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:29.039 getting ready to pull out the fire and they, hey, 245 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:35.399 they end up sliding open the front two doors. And 246 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.759 I wasn't looking at the bar at the time. Nobody was, 247 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.039 and you know, they're at the front of this barn, 248 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:42.279 kind of still just on the inside of it, inside 249 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:50.360 of dark, and I remember looking at them and they 250 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:52.919 were yelling back at me, just like, well, I don't 251 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.519 see your monster, man, And I remember I looked at them, 252 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.080 and then I realized at the peak there was a 253 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:03.120 it's like a little wind vane that sits up at 254 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.879 the time. And when I looked up there there was 255 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:09.799 a silhouette. And I had no idea what to make 256 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.039 of this thing. I didn't see the you know, the 257 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.039 point of the ears or anything along those lines. But 258 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.200 what I did see was a very muscular build. Now 259 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.799 I'm six foot tall. I hit the gym off. This 260 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.919 thing was bigger than me, but now by a good bit, 261 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:27.120 I mean. And it was crouched down on all fours, 262 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:28.919 you know, almost like a human wood. And my legs 263 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.120 splayed out a little bit armed, almost like the Spider 264 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:32.919 Man pose. Is the best way I can explain it. 265 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:38.000 And I looked up. She looked up, My buddy looked up. 266 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:40.919 DJ looked up, and his girl at the time girlfriend 267 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:43.639 looked up. And I remember here in Matt, I mean, 268 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:45.000 I'm not gonna say the word, but he was like, 269 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.679 what oh was that? And I made, you know, looked 270 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:51.559 up at that thing. My hyesband white. And I've never felt, 271 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:55.080 until the other situations, I've had a kind of terror 272 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:58.240 of seeing something like that. I was like, I don't 273 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.399 know what that is, you know, at the time, the 274 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.759 only thing that I had semblance of was like the 275 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.039 whole slender Man thing went around back in the day, 276 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:10.120 and I was like, it's huge. I'm out, And I 277 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.120 remember I bolted went to my truck and I'm still 278 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.840 not exactly proud of this, but I ended up diving 279 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:21.320 underneath my truck and hit and about the time I 280 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.000 started to make movement, the sound happened again. And at 281 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.360 first I didn't want to believe that it was happening, 282 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:30.679 but it was. Brian and Joey on the inside their 283 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:35.200 eyes went saucer big and went ghost white because they 284 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.080 had it was right above them and the same thing, 285 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.960 just that flop flop flop, hit, run off through a 286 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.879 field again. At that point, everybody just start scrambling, like hell, 287 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:47.639 I mean, we all bolted, got into our cars. My 288 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:49.840 buddy Matt I was like, man, you're more than welcome 289 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:51.639 to stay here if you want. Man, but we're getting back. 290 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:53.879 He was like, nah, I'm good, I'm gone, got into 291 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.679 his car, drove off. We all ended up going back 292 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:04.080 to the house man and bunker down after that. Soon after, 293 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:09.039 actually the property was sold and we moved out of there. 294 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.559 My wife still wants to go back there, obviously to 295 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.440 see the property where she grew up. Me I could 296 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:18.279 not go back there for the rest of my life 297 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:23.519 and be very very content. I you know, at that point, 298 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:26.840 it was still one of the scariest experiences of my 299 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.720 entire life because I truly at that time had absolutely 300 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.279 no explanation for what I mean, you know, you never, 301 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.080 especially back in twenty twelve, the idea of a werewolf 302 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:41.000 or something closely related to that. It wasn't even really 303 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.960 a thing. I mean, sasquatch, bigfoot, of course, but dogmen. Besides, 304 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.919 you know, the Beast of Bray Road or those type 305 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.600 of things, you know, And that's that's Midwest, that's not 306 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:54.320 in the Appalachians. It didn't really make any type of 307 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:58.200 connection to me. But yeah, that was really the first 308 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.639 time I'd had an experience with that. And the more 309 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.079 I look back now, the more experiences I've had, the 310 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:07.759 research I've done. I've talked to Martin Groves before. Me 311 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.039 and him are actually pretty good buddies, and he's had 312 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.559 similar experiences and he was like, uh, yeah, man, that 313 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.359 sounds about right. Yeah, and look at back, I was like, well, 314 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.000 I mean that's what I believe is. As I said, 315 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.759 I never got a true look at it, but didn't 316 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.119 have a flashlight. Honestly, I always wanted to get out 317 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:27.759 of there as fast as humanly possible. 318 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:32.079 But that's the natural reaction, I think. 319 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.119 And rightfully. So once you see something that big, man, 320 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:40.160 I mean, it's if it was a bear, I'd be 321 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.720 gone anyway, and that's something that's huge. I'm no match 322 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:45.759 for that. Then I know, dang well, I want to live. 323 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.119 I would like to survive another day, so I don't 324 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:53.039 really want to mess with something like that. So yeah, 325 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:57.119 that was back in twenty twelve. We moved into the city. 326 00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:59.640 Since then and then, of course I had my other 327 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:03.720 two so I was disconnected from the woods for quite 328 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.480 a bit of time. Didn't really get to go hunting 329 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.720 fishing as much as I like hiking, because you know, 330 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:15.799 I was raising the kids, working, doing all that. It 331 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:19.759 was only about let's say here, I guess it was 332 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.880 during COVID. COVID was about the time when everything started 333 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:26.599 to shut down and I had time again to really 334 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.079 get out in the woods, you know, and being out there, 335 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.359 you couldn't do anything besides you know, go trout fishing 336 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.119 or something like that, and that was a good way 337 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.000 to be outside and get away from everybody and still 338 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:41.799 be able to get outside the house. So I started 339 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:46.160 going up too. And it's a place called Arcadia. It's 340 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.079 pretty deep in the mountains and also happens to be 341 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:51.359 the more I did research on it pretty close to 342 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.640 a Air Force base that was shut down. But they 343 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.319 shut down. It's still Christine condition to this day. Hike 344 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.039 up to it. But it actually ran Sage radar, which 345 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.119 was also what happened to be in the whole Riseland, 346 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.920 New York thing. So the whole portal theory that was, yeah, 347 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:13.119 that was the same area in one hundred and seventy third, 348 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:16.680 I believe air Force and that's up on top of 349 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.079 this mountain just above it. Didn't know that until I 350 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.160 looked at the topo graphical mac from like nineteen seventy eight. 351 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:25.880 And also happens to be very very close to a 352 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:30.759 huge marble yard granite marblefield called Devil's marble Yard, which 353 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.480 you know, sometimes you should look at names and really 354 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.519 think about maybe why it's named that. And that was 355 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:40.519 a old marble yard that happened forty I think they 356 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.920 said dated it till like thirty five, forty thousand years 357 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:47.160 ago when this whole mountain side came crumbling down. And 358 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.240 that's about fifteen miles if you were to get up 359 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:51.440 into the woods and hike about thirty five miles if 360 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:54.160 you're on roads, because it's pretty deep up into there. 361 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:01.240 Now Arcadia named Land of the Guy God. It's very 362 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:04.960 very beautiful place. Probably my favorite place in the entire world. 363 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:07.960 Me and my son Jayden, he's the big fisherman and 364 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:09.680 outdoorsman like I was as a kid. 365 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:10.359 We go there. 366 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.440 Haven't been there for a little while, dude to work 367 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:17.279 and you know, different things going on. But we made 368 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:19.200 it a point to go out there two to three 369 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.400 times a week, especially during that time period when everything 370 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:25.359 was shut down, and then you know, we love fishing 371 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:31.519 just getting out there. Well more than once, I've had 372 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:36.519 experiences at that place most of the time. I don't 373 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.359 like to even say it, man, but weather events do 374 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:42.359 happen to roll up pretty quick inside their fog rain, 375 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:44.519 you know, and that is what it is. It's the mountains. 376 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:47.240 Of course it's going to happen. But it always seems 377 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:51.599 pretty heavily connected to these experiences, either soon after or 378 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:53.880 soon before. Like you know, they'll say, oh, it's going 379 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:55.880 to be beautiful and sunny, and then I get there 380 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.960 and it's missing raining, you know, causing a lot of 381 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.119 the rocks and stuff to be hard to actually run 382 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.559 on or do anything on. But the first time it happened, 383 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:14.039 I believe it was twenty September of twenty twenty is 384 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:18.680 when I had the real first experience. Soon before that, 385 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:20.480 me and him, would you know, we would be out 386 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:24.200 there two three times a week, and there was this 387 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.400 one little stretch of stream it was it's called Jenn's 388 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.599 Creek or Jennings Creek, and they stocked this stream with 389 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:34.839 trout pretty much every two three weeks during stocking season. 390 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:38.319 It actually just got stocked. I believe yesterday. So I'll 391 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:42.440 be headed up there soon. Probably not very smart, but 392 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.920 I can't stay out of those woodsman, It's part of 393 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.920 my life. But there's this one spot down there, and 394 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:53.160 there is a very very big old oak. And what 395 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.039 I mean this is old growth. This thing is probably 396 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.720 about two three feet at the base, massive hangings. It's 397 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:02.680 probably about sixty feet tall up in the air. It's 398 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:09.359 a huge monster. And we were there a couple times before, 399 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:12.240 and I would always like have a hammock with me. 400 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.000 I enjoyed setting up right next to the stream, dropping 401 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.680 a line and you know, popping in my earbuds and 402 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:22.759 listening to music, just enjoying the outdoors. I've stopped listening 403 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.160 or having my ears plugged out there, needless to say. 404 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:30.039 But I remember when I first jumped across this little 405 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:34.160 gap onto the other side. I got the same feeling 406 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:36.880 I got when I was up there on Jeter's Chapel Mountain, 407 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.400 just a feeling of, you know, I should not be here, 408 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:43.519 Like it was almost like it was like a barrier, 409 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.799 like you go across that stream. I did not feel 410 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:50.319 comfortable at all. I mean, the brush was so thick 411 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:52.519 and I don't know if you've ever been over into 412 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.440 the apple Atrians before where you're from, But the woods 413 00:22:55.480 --> 00:23:00.160 here are not. Oh heck yeah, then you know how 414 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.880 thick it can get, Like on the bottom there. It's 415 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:06.720 not a savannah like down south, or it's very very 416 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:10.039 thick undergrowth to the point where there could be something 417 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:12.440 two three feet away from you and if it said still, 418 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:15.359 you wouldn't know about it at all. It could very 419 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:19.799 well be there. Remember, I jumped across up underneath this 420 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:22.240 overhang and put my hammock up and sat there for 421 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.680 about five minutes and had the worst urge, just like 422 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:29.119 you know, I got it. I shouldn't be here. I 423 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:31.680 got to get back packed up my hammock, jumped across, 424 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.200 and I felt not immediately better, but I felt a 425 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.680 lot better than being over there. That was kind of 426 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:42.319 how it started. Like almost I was trespassing, is the 427 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:44.240 best way I can really explain it. Like you know, 428 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:50.400 I went hunting on somebody's property kind of deal. And 429 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:53.119 I started to go up more and more alone. That 430 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.240 was another thing that I would do. I would go 431 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:01.640 up there alone, and being stupid, of course, I didn't 432 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:03.359 follow in the world. There was times when I wouldn't 433 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.920 tell anybody where. I was totally disconnect. Dumb idea. I've 434 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:09.599 always now tell everybody where I'm going, like if I'm 435 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:11.960 not back by this time, please call somebody, gets them 436 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.839 out there, get me or find me, or what my 437 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:19.480 car is something. But I remember I came back with 438 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:25.240 my son a couple of days later, and we were 439 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:27.720 sitting there with our backs to this big oak which 440 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:32.680 is probably about fifteen yards up the up the stream 441 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.680 right there. It's in a shallow at a point where 442 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.920 you can't really fish it all. So we sit down 443 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.720 these rock faces and yeah, I remember we were sitting 444 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:46.839 there just you know, talking, and out of nowhere this 445 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.759 it was a widow maker. It was a tree limb 446 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.160 probably about the width of my body. I mean it 447 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:56.880 was huge, massive, came flying at the tree, slammed into 448 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.799 the ground, probably about fifty feet behind us. Shot pieces 449 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.039 of would bark everywhere. It sounded like a shotgun went off. 450 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:04.799 First thing I did was grab him and pulled me 451 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.799 under because I thought somebody was shooting at us. And 452 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:12.119 I was like, okay. I looked at him and he 453 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:14.519 actually stopped and he said that I want to leave now. 454 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.400 I was like, all right, that's we can go, man, 455 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:21.920 because I was feeling really uncomfortable too. There was no wind. 456 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.440 I remember that it was a beautiful day, no wind, 457 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:28.720 no nothing going on. It was just weird. I've been 458 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:30.720 there all the time. I've seen this tree, and the 459 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.480 tree is not dead either. That's the weird thing about 460 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.720 this tree. It is not a dead tree. There's actually 461 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:41.000 still to this day green growth on it. But he 462 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.720 started to feel uncomfortable, so we dipped and we talked 463 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.960 about it. I was like, did you hear anything before 464 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.599 that thing went down? And he said, yeah, I heard 465 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:57.640 a thump And I was like, huh, that's interesting, but 466 00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:00.799 didn't think much of it, like an on the base 467 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:05.200 of a tree, almost, And you know, we packed up 468 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.880 about two days later. I didn't go back the next day. 469 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.640 I was planning on it, man, but it had shook 470 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:11.839 me so much. And then hearing him say that, I 471 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.119 was like, yeah, I'm I think I'm good for a 472 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.640 little bit. But two days later, man, I woke up 473 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:18.400 and I caught the bug. It was like six o'clock 474 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:20.440 in the morning. It's like thirty five minutes today. I 475 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.880 was like, I got nothing else better to do, you know, 476 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:25.720 I'm gonna tell the wife, I'm gonna go fishing for 477 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:30.319 a little while. So I went out there and this 478 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.759 is when I actually saw it, and I to this 479 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:41.400 day will never forget. It was an experienced man that 480 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.079 I still wish I didn't have to be a thousand 481 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.279 percent honest man, like it opened up. They always say 482 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:53.720 ignorance is bliss and yeah, and honestly, if I part 483 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:58.200 of me doesn't want to go back to where I 484 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.759 was so ignorant because it made me so unaf maye 485 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.799 me so comfortable out there, you know what I mean? Like, oh, 486 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:07.200 I don't believe in this thing, it can't be real. Well, 487 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.480 it's the old say, And just because you don't believe 488 00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.440 in something doesn't mean it can't kill you. 489 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.279 Now, I saw something in seven and it made me 490 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.200 question everything, but I still struggle to accept what I saw. 491 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.799 I'm very much the same way to this day, man, 492 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:26.160 because I don't the logical part of my brain, and 493 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.039 I think logically. I try to always rule things out. 494 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:32.240 I don't immediately go to the supernatural or you know, 495 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:38.440 you know, amazing things happening. I try to break stuff down, like, 496 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.920 you know, what could this be? Let me list off 497 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:42.720 things in my head. You know, try to make this 498 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.720 actually make sense. It's when it doesn't make sense when 499 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.880 you see something and you truly have no answers, but 500 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.440 you know, dang well you saw it like there's no 501 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.599 way around it, that you really start to rethink. I mean, now, 502 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.039 I grew up being told all the time, you know, oh, 503 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:03.160 monsters aren't real, these things aren't real, you know, and 504 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.039 especially being you know, I'm actually a minister's son, so 505 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.160 growing up in the church, you're especially taught, you know, 506 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.359 demons aren't real. This ain't real. That ain't real. But 507 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.599 then when you start really looking at it logically, well, 508 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.680 you can't have heaven without hell, you can't have angels 509 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.480 without demons. And why in the world where all these things? 510 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.559 So basically they're all either lies or trying to hide 511 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.519 something that could actually be, you know, they just don't 512 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.960 think that you're ready for. Well, this, the experience out there, 513 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.839 is what really changed everything and made me go headfirst 514 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.160 into the rabbit hole of trying to figure out, you know, 515 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.960 dog man size stuff. What I fail out all that 516 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:50.079 I was sitting there with my back to that tree again, 517 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.440 it's always the exact same spot we sit in. It's 518 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.279 up underneath this little overhang of a small tree there. 519 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.559 It's like a little thirty foot pool. 520 00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:57.759 Man. 521 00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.119 It's beautiful, huge, huge rain and brooke trouting there, and 522 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:05.720 there only got like maybe ten feet across where they 523 00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:09.359 can go. So I'm always at this hole fishing. I 524 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.880 always call it the deep hole or the green hole 525 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.400 because it's so clear. And then it goes into like 526 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.839 this emerald green at the bottom, and you can almost 527 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:22.119 see the fish swimming around on a clear day. And 528 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:23.680 I had my back turned to it, and I remember 529 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.200 I had one earpod in on the left side, in 530 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.079 my right side where it was up against the rock face. 531 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.359 It's like a road up here, and then it comes 532 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.880 down and then where I sit, and then there's the 533 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:41.000 water right below me. And I remember listening. I remember 534 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.160 the song too, I'll never forget it. It was Empire 535 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.519 Ants by the Grill. It was a relatively soft song, 536 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.319 you know, and I was really enjoying it. But I 537 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:55.240 started to realize the noises a gone again. Now the 538 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.759 water was still bubbling, like you could still hear water rushing. 539 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.799 It wasn't like the entire earth just went stopped in 540 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.720 a dime. But I realized that the noises of nature, 541 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.160 like I've been hearing squirrels run around. You could hear 542 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.319 and see deer sometimes up on the other little you know, 543 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.119 hills over there across the road, and there's always birds 544 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:16.720 flying around, chirping and stuff. All that. It could stopped, 545 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:18.680 but I had my earphone in the left so it 546 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.880 didn't click fast. But slowly I started realizing. I was like, 547 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:28.400 huh oppt it out, put it back in its case, 548 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.319 and I had realized, you know, everything was quiet. Now 549 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:35.680 my mind went back to that night at Jeter's Chapel 550 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:39.599 and a snap hearing nothing, and then also of course 551 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.720 being taught out in the woods. You know, if you're 552 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.119 out in the woods and everything goes quiet, something's wrong. 553 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.480 It's not a good sign. Ever, that either means that 554 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.839 there is a large predator in the area. So everything 555 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.440 shuts up as ordered not to be drawing attention to it. 556 00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:57.759 And that's the first thing that went to my mind. 557 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:01.480 I was like, you know, I need to leave if 558 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:04.480 there's something that's going to shut up these entire forest 559 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.039 and there's bear out theres. They say there's not mountain lions, 560 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:12.640 but there's definitely lines out there. Man, They've had enough visuals, 561 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.359 but the feeling of also being watched this time, now, 562 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.160 that was what caught me off guard. It felt like 563 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.400 there was eyes searing in the back of my head. 564 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.359 Like the best way I can explain it. You know, 565 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.680 if you're like in a Walmart, or like in a 566 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.680 store or anywhere for that matter, and you can feel 567 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.000 somebody looking at you from a distance, you don't know 568 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.319 where it's coming from, but you can just feel almost 569 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:38.759 like eyes boring into you. That's how it felt. So 570 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.720 I was like, man, I feel like I'm being hunted, 571 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.599 is the best way I felt like the deer and 572 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.839 the animals I've stalked so many times must have felt. 573 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:49.440 Mm hmmm, no, I understand. 574 00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:54.240 And that made me more uncomfortable than anything else I've 575 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:58.039 ever felt, pretty much to this day, unless I've been 576 00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.480 stocked again, which is the same exact time feeling. But 577 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:03.079 it is a feeling like, you know, still being a 578 00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:06.000 big guy doing all that, knowing that something is watching you. 579 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.240 You don't know where it is, you don't know the intentions. 580 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.119 It's hyper uncomfortable, and you know, I packed up my 581 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:17.720 stuff as quickly as possible and turned around, and I 582 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:23.599 remember that tree. It's that stupid tree, the same one 583 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.079 where that widow maker dropped out of. I looked at 584 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.440 it and I turned away, and then I stopped kind 585 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.000 of like a mid step. And the problem is the 586 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:34.240 way you have to get back up to the car 587 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.920 is you have to walk by this tree. It's across 588 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:38.920 the river there, but you have to go up probably 589 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.680 about twenty five yards and then snake your way up 590 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:45.200 to where my rat four was. And I was walking 591 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:46.960 by it, and that was probably about I said, twenty 592 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.519 five yards away, and it's over there to my diagonal, 593 00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.559 and I had my head down, was actually looking at 594 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.680 my phone like I'm looking at it right now as 595 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.640 talking to you, and out of the peripheral vision, I 596 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.640 saw something shift and I stopped dead in my tracks, 597 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.240 and I was like, that's weird. So I stopped and 598 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.839 I looked over there, and this tree has a relatively 599 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.920 black surface on it. It's it's old, it's got moss 600 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.440 on it, but it's a relatively darker barked tree. And 601 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.079 you know, I saw a shape over there. I'd seen 602 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.039 this tree one hundred times, probably more than that by 603 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.960 this point, going up there so often, and something was 604 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:30.599 out of place didn't register fast because I was like, well, 605 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.839 that's odd, what the hell is that thing? And about 606 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.759 a little bit of backstory, I'm pretty good on judging height. 607 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.480 I used to build houses for a living. I was 608 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.359 a framer, so nine to three quarters in studs man 609 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.279 I used to cut lumber. I can relatively judge height 610 00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.640 off of ground pretty good. About seven feet up. I'd 611 00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.599 say between six and a half and seven feet. I'm 612 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.279 six foot and this was taller than if I was 613 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:56.319 saying there by a decent bit I saw. And it 614 00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:00.279 wasn't the you know dog men or in a dog 615 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.119 soldier ears, not the big tall looking ones. They were 616 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:07.119 shorter but almost kind of like a German shepherd, but 617 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:12.760 not that super high up. Yeah, it wasn't like the 618 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.000 massive foot tall ear. But it was smaller and definitely 619 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.199 looked like a German shepherd. Which is the first thing 620 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:22.639 that went through my mind was what is who let 621 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:26.079 their dog out? That was really it? And then I 622 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:29.599 started to really make the connections of that's seven foot 623 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.360 up on a tree, peeking around it, and all I 624 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:35.519 could see was kind of the top of it right here. Well, 625 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.639 as I started moving around up this thing and around 626 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.000 this tree, it exposed itself up to about here, and 627 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.480 that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose 628 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.679 and the eyes. Now, I've been in a lot of 629 00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.280 bad situations with a lot of bad people when I 630 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.679 was younger, you know, being on the streets when I 631 00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:59.960 was younger as well. You know, running around you start 632 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:05.000 picking up intentions by eyesight or when something locked onto you. 633 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.679 You can kind of tell. This was a look I'd 634 00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:11.360 never experienced before. And honestly, I'm not gonna lie to you, man, 635 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.079 I peed my pants right there on the spot. As 636 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.280 soon as I made eye contact with this thing. It 637 00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.119 felt like death. And that's the best way I can 638 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.920 explain it, like I was looking into the eyes of 639 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.360 something that could truly kill me and was not at 640 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:34.159 all happy I was existent there anything. So, as I said, 641 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.440 it was just a muzzle here head was probably about 642 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.159 i'd say out to where my beard was. I mean, 643 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:45.559 it was like not a pit bull size, but large. 644 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.400 And I stopped looked and I just said I'd pee 645 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.119 myself right then and there, because it was like a 646 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.400 something at a level of fear I had never felt. 647 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:57.320 You know, I've been shot at, I've been dealt with 648 00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:59.559 people that are crazy in the woods before rolling up 649 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:03.719 on you know stills gross sites when I was younger 650 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:07.280 going hunting up in the deep woods, and the type 651 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:11.199 of fear that that was was so intense it froze 652 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.760 my body. It was like every bit of I almost 653 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.840 compare it to a dementor from Harry Pytter, was like 654 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.760 all the joy in the world was just snapped out 655 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.199 of existence all at once, like everything would just stop. 656 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.800 And I remember, I drive, I never have done this again. 657 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.719 I dropped my fish and ride when I could feel 658 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.639 like I could actually breathe again because it moved a 659 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.719 little bit more out. And that's when I saw around 660 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:40.920 the tree about i'd say two feet down from the 661 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:46.159 head four fingers. And that's what caught me off guard 662 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:47.920 even more because at first I was still trying to 663 00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:52.480 really like, is that a wolf, Like we don't have 664 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.760 wolves in Virginia. Why is this here? Like you know, 665 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:56.800 is this is a hybrid of a coyote, you know, 666 00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.960 a koy wolf or something. And when I saw something 667 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.199 and they looked almost like a round I know you've 668 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.199 seen a raccoon's hands, very very similar to that came around, 669 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.480 but it was about the same size as mine. Probably 670 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:11.920 a lot bigger. I don't really know. I didn't focus 671 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.639 that long. As soon as I saw that movement, it 672 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.239 was like something click to me, and I realized I 673 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.559 needed to get the hell out of there as fast 674 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.000 as humanly possible. So I dropped my gear by about 675 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.119 one hundred dollars worth of you know, trout fishing gear, 676 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:26.960 left it on those rocks, bolted up into the car, 677 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.719 and peeled out of there, and I drove like an idiot. 678 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.760 I'm not gonna lie. I ran that engine to its 679 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.039 freaking core. I was probably going sixty five up in 680 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.679 a mountain road, hoping to God that a park ranger 681 00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:43.920 or a cop would find me. At that point, I 682 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.119 was like, I need somebody, I need something. I need 683 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.760 to get out of here, please God, Like I just 684 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:54.360 need to leave. Got home, sat down, gave my kids 685 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.679 the biggest hug of I've ever given them, looked at 686 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.639 my wife and broke down crying, and told her what happened. 687 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:06.840 And I'm not so sure that, I mean, unless you've 688 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:08.639 seen something like that, of course you're going to be 689 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:14.280 skeptical about it. Like, but her reaction to me breaking 690 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.320 down like that, she'd never seen me break down like 691 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.440 that except for once, and that was on an anniversary 692 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.440 of my grandfather's death, and she was like, I don't 693 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.559 know what happened to you. I don't know if what 694 00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:31.519 you said actually happened, but obviously something happened. That was 695 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:36.280 really the first and thankfully only full visual I've ever 696 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:41.400 had of one. I really hope other people are always like, oh, 697 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.039 I hope I can go see one. I hope I 698 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.000 can go find one. I don't recommend it, at least 699 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:48.840 coming from me. I mean, there's people that are braver 700 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.440 than me. Obviously, more power to you, But I hope 701 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.559 I never see one again, full fledge. I don't want 702 00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.320 to see one ever again. I don't want to feel 703 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.400 that way. I mean, for the first time in my life, 704 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.280 I really had to think about it, like, you know, 705 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:12.199 my complacency of the woods nearly made it so Daddy 706 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.719 didn't make it home to my three children. 707 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:15.000 You know. 708 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:18.360 I was like, I may have not been able to 709 00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.800 make it out of there. This thing was huge. This 710 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.559 thing was something that the hands on over what really 711 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:27.920 threw me off. Man. It was like, if that thing 712 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.760 wanted me, it could have got me in a heartbeat. 713 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:33.039 There's no denying it. There's no and there's nothing I 714 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:34.679 could have done. I didn't have a pistol with me, 715 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.239 I didn't have a firearm with me. I was fishing. Now, 716 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.519 whenever I go out there, I'm packed in heat every 717 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.079 single time. Not that I think that I would even 718 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.239 do anything against these I don't know. We don't know 719 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.400 where they come from. We don't know if they're in adimensional, 720 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.039 we don't know if they're biological. I mean, I don't 721 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:51.760 remember the old movie If it bleeds, you can kill 722 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.679 it type deal. But I mean, you know, P two 723 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.880 two six running a forty five caliber. I don't think 724 00:39:57.880 --> 00:39:59.679 that I could slam an entire mag into it and 725 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.400 actually stop it. I think it takes something like a 726 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.199 six or five creed More or slugs shotgun. I mean, 727 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.920 as you said, man like it. Really, I really wish 728 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.840 I could still be ignorant to that type of thing, 729 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:18.480 because it's changed my entire lifestyle ever since then, the 730 00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.960 way I act like even to this day where I live. Man, 731 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.599 I don't like going outside at night. I truly don't 732 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:27.480 like to one out at night anymore, even to get 733 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.559 to my car. I will if my wife needs me 734 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.960 to go out there. But like you know, I was 735 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.280 also before this happened, I was more comfortable with my 736 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.920 kids being outside playing a night. You know, we live 737 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:38.559 in a cul de sac. We know all the neighbors. 738 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:45.159 Now it's like once dusk falls, get inside and you know, 739 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.440 the experiences there have not stopped. In fact, in the 740 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.079 last year or two, Like from what I've read and seen, 741 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.280 they're actually getting more and more common almost. I mean, 742 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.119 I don't know if you've seen that, but it seems 743 00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.639 like the the farther we're moving along in the years, 744 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.880 there's more people either one willing to come out about 745 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.960 what they've seen, or two they are actually having more experiences. 746 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.679 Like something has a paradigm, a shift along the lines. 747 00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.159 But it's like the veil. The veil has been pulled 748 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.840 back just a little bit, and it's kind of exactly 749 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.039 it's made it to where these things are more seen 750 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:25.159 and widely. Like note, I feel like they're still not 751 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:27.159 well known, but at the same time, there's been a 752 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.320 lot more people talking about it. I don't know that's 753 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.559 because of the rise of the internet, podcast, these social 754 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:36.719 media groups, whatever, but I feel like more and more 755 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.840 these topics are starting to rise to the surface. 756 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:45.960 Absolutely absolutely, it's and I believe you're right. I think 757 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.880 that's social media and the connection that people have now. 758 00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.039 Like you know, back in the nineties and even in 759 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.719 before Facebook really got big, even during the MySpace days, 760 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.119 it was still relatively like within your community type thing, 761 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.760 and there was always people with in the community that 762 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.719 had these experiences, but either one weren't willing to come 763 00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:07.320 out and talk about it, or if you did, you're 764 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.119 called crazy, and which would then further shove that down. Now, 765 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.360 with the rise of social media, the connectivity that we 766 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.039 have video, you know, the video capabilities, audio capabilities have 767 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.440 gone so advanced. Now everybody's got a phone. Back in 768 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.360 the day, unless you're carrying around a polaroid or you know, 769 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.519 had a really really decent razor not many people had them, 770 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.840 or even the quality to actually take decent photos, videos, 771 00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.480 any type of evidence. Now there's so much of it. 772 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.960 All you gotta do is look. But I believe you're right. 773 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.159 There's almost like a veil that's been lifted. And what 774 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:52.320 the the catalyst that has caused a veil to lift 775 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.840 some I don't think that we may we might know eventually, 776 00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:59.840 but I don't. I think there's a lot of factors 777 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:06.800 do go into it, like the whole cern thing. Those 778 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.039 are particle accelerators and all that. I'm not going to 779 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.159 go too much into that, but that's always been a 780 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.199 kind of curious question of mine about it, and the 781 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.480 fact that the US has quite a the world has 782 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.559 quite a few more of them than just the big one. 783 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:26.119 You know, the whole thing with Roslynd, New York, and 784 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:30.079 you know the projects with them, of the portal theories 785 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.960 and all that Martin Groves experience around there, and then 786 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:40.800 even stuff like looking back in time into the older 787 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.320 days about the legends. I believe that there's a lot 788 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:48.559 of stuff that you know, people look at older cultures 789 00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:54.840 from back into thirteen fourteen hundreds as stupid. I mean technologically, 790 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.440 of course, they didn't have any of that. However, we 791 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.960 still had the same type of brain makeup as modern 792 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.719 humans from back then. They were not stupid by any means. 793 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.199 I mean, they probably didn't have a great way to 794 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:11.519 explain it. But there's a lot coming from especially with 795 00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:16.159 dog men. There's stories in Irish folklore of the fail 796 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:23.800 lot and they were known as fishing Sinocephali, essentially same 797 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.960 thing in Greece. You know, there was plenty of cultures 798 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.599 that had these legends. France had the Beast of Govert. 799 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.880 I think I'm trying to think that Germany obviously had 800 00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:37.480 a lot of stories about where wolves were walking dogs. 801 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.519 The Egyptians had a Nubis. You know, this is something 802 00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:45.039 that a lot of different cultures have had throughout history. 803 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.119 And then once the more or less the Inquisition and 804 00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.079 all that, and then the witch trials and all that, 805 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:56.119 that kind of all was buried pretty heavily due to 806 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.840 it being demonic in nature, so they hit it hidden, 807 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:00.800 not Colledge type deal. 808 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:05.280 But yeah, yeah, I've touched base on this on some 809 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:10.159 other episodes too, Like throughout history there's always been these 810 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.000 dog headed human lead figures, and it's not just a 811 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:15.960 new thing. Everyone's like, oh, you've heard about dog man 812 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:18.119 in the last like forty years because of the Michigan 813 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:22.360 dog Man song and the stories. Yeah, that's not necessarily true, because, 814 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.519 like you mentioned, the ancient Egyptians had a new Bis, 815 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.679 which was a dog man or a wolf's head of 816 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.119 a dog or whatever, and then they had the werewolf 817 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.000 trials in the middle like the over in France and 818 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.880 like the middle of the seven hundreds, I think, and 819 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.840 then there's been all sorts of sightings and stuff and 820 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.039 stories throughout Native American lore. A lot of the say 821 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.039 they were skinwalker, but that's that's different than what a 822 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.559 dog man is. Some people, absolutely some people get that confused, 823 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:55.159 but it's a there's still other stories about stuff like that. 824 00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:00.960 So it's like, where did all these stories come from? Yeah, 825 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:06.159 they're on different continents, exactly how did indigence people from 826 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.679 different continents come up with the same stories. It's almost 827 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.960 like the same concept I had was like they also 828 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:12.920 came up with building pyramids at the same time out 829 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:14.840 of people thousands of miles away build all the same 830 00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.440 stuff exactly. 831 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.880 That's I have the exact same thoughts with that as well. 832 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.639 And you know, they didn't have any semblance of the internet. 833 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.360 Those communities were so small. The chance of you going 834 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:28.800 one hundred and fifty miles in your lifetime unless you 835 00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:30.880 were a traveler or you know, had something to do, 836 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.800 it's rare, much less going thousands of miles to different continents, 837 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.280 especially within those time periods. You know, and the fact 838 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.599 that you said the spread of time has been so 839 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:44.719 huge and these have stayed in I mean, there was 840 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:49.079 cases I forget exactly where, but with sign Ofcepphali, you know, 841 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:53.400 an entire a king lett, an entire army pass them. 842 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:57.079 Just on the mention of one hundred or fifty or 843 00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.639 two hundred of these dog headed creatures with the army. 844 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:02.880 He was like, all right, you know what go on. 845 00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.119 I don't want to deal with that at all, and 846 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.760 a little it's weird because being in the Appalachians especially, 847 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.400 I don't know if you know the geographical history of 848 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.000 the Appalachians and where we were connected to back in 849 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:22.000 the day before the break. You know, when the continents 850 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:26.760 separated the Appalachian mountains here from New York all the 851 00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:30.320 way down to I believe Georgia were originally connected to 852 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:34.280 Ireland and Scotland. We were all the same mountain range, 853 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.519 which is also exactly why they happened to settle here. 854 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.599 When the Irish and the Scottish got here, they hated 855 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:42.719 the coast and they started to move inland. When they 856 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.880 found these mountains, they said, oh, home, looks just like 857 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.280 where we used to live. Well, we're gonna settle here. 858 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:48.599 Well. 859 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.119 My theory is if these things have been around for 860 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.559 so long, they wouldn't get up and leave if the 861 00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:58.960 continents split, man, why would they leave, They would just 862 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.079 stick where they're at. If they happen to be within 863 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.000 these same things, they probably will now. And when it 864 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.360 comes down to it, the Irish lore of were wolves 865 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:10.719 are the Scottish wolver and as I said, the fail 866 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.000 ode in Irish culture. It's a really not And I 867 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.000 just even discovered this a couple of months ago, which 868 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.559 has been a huge thing because everybody talks about Native 869 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:25.480 American burial mounds being heavily connected to dog men, and 870 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.599 I've noticed a lot of the times that these particular 871 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.800 instances at least where there's violence that come from a 872 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:38.760 dog man encounter, like the Beast of LBL, the LBL 873 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.480 encounters with Martin Groves, and then before that with the 874 00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:45.639 family and all that that didn't make it, and then 875 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.480 also with Martin Groves talking about the firefighter who was 876 00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:53.079 also subsequently found near and then his experience, you know, 877 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.800 actually having them surround this camp and attack, and then 878 00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.679 he had more to say about that. But yeah, that's 879 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.119 a huge that's a story in its own right. But 880 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:08.000 he talked about how there were burial mounds nearby that area. 881 00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:10.280 If you look in the Irish folklore and I actually 882 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:16.159 have I can't remember the god, but there was two sectors. 883 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.880 And it's strange if you look in the Irish folklore 884 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:24.920 with dog men, they were not necessarily violent, evil creatures. 885 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.079 They were actually guardians of the sick, the wounded during 886 00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.800 war of children, which matches up to some of the 887 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.639 more historical accounts of you know, like the little I 888 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.440 can't remember when exactly it was like back in the 889 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:42.199 eighteen late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, when the little 890 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.920 girl ended up her little boy ended up getting separated 891 00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:49.159 from his family or her family, and then was basically 892 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.880 taken care of by a large bear for a couple 893 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.280 of days. I mean, you could take that how you 894 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:58.119 want it. But you know, for a while there I 895 00:49:58.119 --> 00:49:59.679 didn't believe, you know, if it's a dog man, these 896 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:04.280 things inherently bad. Well you start looking more into that. 897 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.440 That was in the same range as where the Irish 898 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.360 folklore came in as well. You know, I don't think 899 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:12.519 that they're all purely evil. I believe, yeah, if you 900 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.760 get into their stuff, they like to scare people away, 901 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.719 they like to frighten you. But I don't think that 902 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.159 all of them are like that. However, there was a 903 00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:23.000 sector within that, and I can't remember I have a 904 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.400 link to it. I don't want to leave the link 905 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:27.519 or this zoom call because I don't want it to 906 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.719 get disconnected, but I've saved it on my phone. But 907 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.639 there was a particular god called the God of the Mound, 908 00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.920 God of the burial mound, and he was more or 909 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:43.400 less what you could consider pretty evil. You know, it 910 00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:47.039 wasn't a good one at all, and often took blood sacrifice, 911 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:52.599 I believe. But there was a sect of dog men 912 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.639 apparently in that culture that were attached to these mounds, 913 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:03.440 and they were not good. They were warrior class, very strong, 914 00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:07.079 but they enjoyed bloodshed, fighting and actually what they required, 915 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:11.400 you could kings would hire this clan essentially of what 916 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:17.559 they were, and what they required was not payment, well 917 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.519 I guess you could call it payment, but it was 918 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:24.199 literally to eat the infants and the soldiers that they 919 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.599 would kill in combat. They wanted their flesh. That was, 920 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:33.920 you know, their entire existence was fighting, murder, you know, eating, hunting, killing, 921 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.639 much much different from the other classification of that. And 922 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:41.239 if you look in America, a lot of the and 923 00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:42.920 it comes from a native American thing where I think, 924 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.719 as you said, the whole Skinwalker thing runs in, it's 925 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.559 very closely attached to burial mounds. Well, that particular sector 926 00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.800 dog Men happened to be exactly connected to the god 927 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:57.280 of burial mounds as well. Whether that be Irish Native American, 928 00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.960 I don't know. It's made me often wonder about that 929 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.920 connection as well when it comes down to it all. 930 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:08.440 But I think that there's a lot about these things. 931 00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:10.360 I mean obviously that we do not know. It's such 932 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:16.480 a newer phenomena, well newer for modern day. 933 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:18.000 But newer for what people are talking about today. 934 00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:24.559 Yeah, and I think that confining it to one theory 935 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.000 might not be I don't think that's pa. I believe 936 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.199 that there could be, you know, the old gods of 937 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:36.000 Appalachia as they call them, the older gods of the world. 938 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.599 You know, there could be connection with that. You'll look 939 00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.719 into the whole interdimensional theory. Who knows. I mean, there's 940 00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.239 been situations with the whole you know, and it makes 941 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:50.199 me wonder about the time MESSI case, the sound of 942 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.760 you know, almost time space being ripped, you know what 943 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.280 Martin Groves heard, what I've heard in Arcadia as well, 944 00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.639 which when me and my son have been out there, 945 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:02.800 we hear that from up in the mountain, we get 946 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:04.719 out of there. I don't play that game when it 947 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.639 comes down to hearing rock on metal or sounding almost like. 948 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:09.599 The best way I can describe the sound from my 949 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:11.800 own experience is like, have you ever seen Silent Hill 950 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:13.079 the old movie? 951 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:13.599 Yep? 952 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:18.760 Actually same here, great movie, but you know when pyramid 953 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.920 Head first shows up and he's got that his sword 954 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:25.519 is dragging on the ground. That's that's the noise. It 955 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:31.400 sounds like metal being scraped across rock, and yeah, I've 956 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.440 anytime I hear that coming from especially up in the 957 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.039 mountains where there is no roads, there is no pass 958 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:41.159 we get out of there very very quickly. My son, 959 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:42.920 even I wish he was here to tell you some 960 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.880 of his experiences. He is in school, though, but he's had, 961 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:49.719 well we were out there noises experience. He's seen stuff 962 00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:54.559 himself out there along with me, which he's thankfully never 963 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:59.880 seen one full figure, because I don't know what would 964 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:03.280 have happen. And it honestly terrifies me to even think 965 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.679 about my child being there with one of those things, 966 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.000 because it's hard enough for me to you know, worry 967 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.000 about myself having to you know, I'd rather die than 968 00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:13.679 my kid. Of course, I'd rather put him into place, 969 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.440 but I don't want him to ever be around that. 970 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:21.280 But we've had strange experiences up there too. But yeah, 971 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.679 the whole interdimensional theory that comes from that, you know, 972 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.719 they at this point UFOs, Aliens and all that. I'm 973 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.880 almost one hundred percent sure that that is obviously existing, 974 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:34.920 the whole all the paradoxes and all that we're just showing. 975 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.400 I mean, I think we're the only thing out there. Well, 976 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:40.679 I mean you'll look back and as you said, the Nubis, 977 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.400 the Egyptians, these pyramids, well there also happens to be 978 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.440 around those areas a lot of legends that involve dog 979 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:53.519 headed beings. So who honestly knows, man, I mean, I 980 00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.440 can't say they're not real anymore. I've seen them. I 981 00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:57.360 just don't know what in the world they are, which 982 00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.519 is almost more scary than if I had a straight 983 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:00.000 up answer. 984 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:05.039 Are like you know, but I don't think any of 985 00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.880 us will ever truly know what they are because I don't. 986 00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:12.960 I think you're right, as much as everyone looks into it, 987 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.159 and even with having my own experience. I still remain 988 00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:20.480 skeptical of a lot of things because I can't say 989 00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.719 for sure that it's a flesh and blood creature. If 990 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.880 it's an interdimensional creature, is there such a thing as intermensions? Like, 991 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.239 there's so much unknown stuff that it's hard to pinpoint anything, 992 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:33.039 and no one's ever really came at it from a 993 00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:36.159 scientific standpoint of how something like this could even exist, 994 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:41.039 like biologically, So it's it doesn't make sense, like if 995 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.840 you think about it in this respect from science point 996 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:49.679 of view, that there is no definitive like evolutionary chain 997 00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:51.679 of a dog being able to walk like a human 998 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.239 or have the same functions as a human. I can 999 00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:56.360 understand the sasquatch because there is such things as other apes. 1000 00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:01.559 Gigantopithic gets existed. Yeah, we exist, so it makes sense 1001 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.239 for us. But there's never been a canine that's ever 1002 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.360 evolved into bipedal that I'm aware of. There's ever been 1003 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:12.119 any evolutionary lines for that either. Yeah, I agree, right struggle. 1004 00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:15.639 Yeah, that's same here as that I think logically, and 1005 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.079 I'm with you on that. I've done the research. I 1006 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:20.840 tried to look into that as much as I can. 1007 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.639 With you, know, trying to even find an inkling of connection, 1008 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:28.480 and there really isn't any not in not in any way, 1009 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:32.119 shape or form. I mean I have of course, there's 1010 00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:34.320 always theories to go through my head about it. You know, 1011 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:38.639 could it have been a hybrid of some sort? Could 1012 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.920 it have been I mean, there's a lot of animals 1013 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.840 out there. We're discovering new stuff every day, new elements, 1014 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:48.000 new animals, new compounds. I mean, there's so much that 1015 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:51.079 we just don't know. But as you said, there's nothing 1016 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:54.880 up to this point that can be really heavily identified, 1017 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.280 like this is where it could be existent, or how 1018 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:02.679 it could have come to be. I mean that said 1019 00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.519 bigfoot sasquatch. I'm almost one hundred percent sure those are real. Man, 1020 00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.679 Like every other there's always no thing. Well, we can't 1021 00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:13.280 have primates in America, it's too cold. Japan has snow 1022 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:17.199 monkeys and there. Yeah, I mean, now that would make sad. 1023 00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.280 He said, I forgot exactly that. You said the the 1024 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:25.719 huge or more or less orangutan that they found the boat. Yeah, 1025 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:31.000 thank you. Like those that's pretty closely related to what 1026 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:33.440 I would believe one would very very much look like 1027 00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:37.599 full on blast. I mean and there's so many different 1028 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.039 sightings with those. A lot of people that have even 1029 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:44.639 worked within the forestry department around here have had experiences 1030 00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.360 in Bath County, the highlands of Virginia where they've seen 1031 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.239 stuff along those lines. Heard the knocking. I mean, heck, 1032 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.360 I heard the knocking. I've seen the structures, huge nest 1033 00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:59.000 sites in Arcadia even that are just like massive, big 1034 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.960 bedded down all trees that were knocked, you know, down 1035 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:05.000 into the area. You find trees that are, you know, 1036 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.320 relatively young, that looked like something had walked by, grabbed 1037 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.079 and then pulled and snapped in the process of moving 1038 00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.679 through them, seven eight feet up in the air. So 1039 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.880 that's type of stuff that's like, you know that that 1040 00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.639 makes sense, but when it comes on a dog man, 1041 00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:23.320 it's like it's so foreign almost to logic that it's 1042 00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:26.880 incredibly hard to try to figure out. Now, could the 1043 00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:32.280 whole I've always been curious about the whole government being 1044 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.440 involved possibly in a creation of something along those lines 1045 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:39.360 as well, which the more I've looked into it. 1046 00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.440 I just's struggle. I wouldn't put it past the government, 1047 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:48.320 but I struggled just because throughout history there's been reports 1048 00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:51.039 of these obviously before there was a genetic manipulation by 1049 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:51.599 the government. 1050 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:52.840 I agree. 1051 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.400 So that's kind of where I come back to, is like, well, then, 1052 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.360 what were they seeing in the seventeen hundreds, what was 1053 00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.599 the new best supposedly based off of was all these 1054 00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:04.199 cave drawings and paintings and stuff throughout history from different 1055 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:08.280 tribes around the world. They all have seen something, So 1056 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:11.280 I can't I don't think the government was making stuff 1057 00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:12.440 back in those days. 1058 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.400 No, I don't believe, Like when I think about the government, 1059 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:20.519 I don't believe that they created this. However, if anybody 1060 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.519 in the East the United States would have knowledge of 1061 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:26.960 these things, especially with the whole and I don't like 1062 00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:29.079 bringing in missing for one one a lot, because there's 1063 00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:31.800 a lot of weirdness in that entire run as well. 1064 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:38.400 But if something's out there, they would probably have some 1065 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.960 inkling about it. If they did and they found potential 1066 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:46.599 to weaponize it, I could see them possibly trying to 1067 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.320 mess around with that if they actually got one by that. So, 1068 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:51.239 as you said, we may never We will never know, 1069 00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:54.280 especially if they have their fingers into it, whether or 1070 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:58.119 not they've done some type of bioengineering on something already 1071 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:02.840 pre existing along the there's lines. I really hope they 1072 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:11.639 didn't because, as history shows, they're not always the most 1073 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:17.280 you know, smart and safe with what they create exactly 1074 01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:21.599 or really go dabbling in. I mean, they have the 1075 01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.440 best of the best in a lot of fields. But 1076 01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:26.760 even then, I've know scientists to like to mess around 1077 01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:29.639 with things that it probably shouldn't be played with. It's 1078 01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:31.880 like the old Jurassic Park there. You know it's because 1079 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:34.199 you should, it can doesn't mean you probably should. 1080 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.440 Definitely, That's how I feel a lot of things. 1081 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.239 Yeah, well, but. 1082 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:45.199 I think we can wrap this one up. It's been 1083 01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:48.599 about an hour and I've got kids upstairs at her 1084 01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:52.199 feel wrestle media going on. 1085 01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.039 Was not running through plexus, man, you know what I mean. 1086 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.360 I definitely appreciate you coming on here and talk with today. 1087 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:01.159 It's been a pleasure. 1088 01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.519 Hey man, no problem anytime. If you're ever around my 1089 01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:07.440 area man with your family, let me know. I know 1090 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:09.360 a lot of good places to eat, a lot of 1091 01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:10.840 fun things to do around here. Man. 1092 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.599 So well, we're talking about making a trip sometime maybe 1093 01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.119 next year for spring break, so maybe I'll look into it. 1094 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.960 Absolutely, man, I'll tell you run out Virginia. It's Star 1095 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:22.719 City of the South is what they call it. But 1096 01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:27.000 for families, Man, this place is amazing. It's beautiful and 1097 01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.039 I cannot say enough good things about it. But if 1098 01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.159 you do, of course, man, let me know. Food and 1099 01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:32.800 drinks on me. 1100 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:36.360 So been a pleasure, man, I appreciate that. 1101 01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:39.639 Thank you, had no problem, brother, Be safe, man, glad 1102 01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:40.239 talking to you. 1103 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.480 Jedediahd quite the story to share, that's for sure. Definitely 1104 01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:52.400 got the creeping vibe going on of that. I want 1105 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.599 to thank him again for coming on here tonight and 1106 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:57.400 sharing that with us. I hope you guys enjoyed his encounter. 1107 01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.440 We're gonna switch gears up here a little bit, and 1108 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.360 I don't usually do this, but for the sake of 1109 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:04.880 this being a special episode, I thought this was a 1110 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:09.360 little interesting. I recently received an email from I would 1111 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.639 say it would be anonymous. It was kind of weird letterings, 1112 01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:14.920 and then when I tried to reply, it says the 1113 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:16.760 email doesn't exist. So I thought that was a little 1114 01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:20.480 bit strange. But with that being said, I went ahead 1115 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:24.639 and had the computer go ahead and read this off 1116 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:26.519 for you. Figure out to add this a little bit 1117 01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:30.159 here as a transition between the next story. So hope 1118 01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.440 you guys enjoy this, and then we're going to go 1119 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.440 on into the encounter with Mary. 1120 01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:42.440 I saw a post that you were looking for someone 1121 01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:45.440 who has had an encounter for your podcast. I had one, 1122 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:47.599 but I am not willing to speak on it publicly. 1123 01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.519 Coming forward with such a claim would jeopardize my current 1124 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.679 profession and lose any credibility I have attained over the years. 1125 01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:57.000 I will, however, permit use of my encounter within the 1126 01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.280 confides of this letter in whichever way you deem appropriate. 1127 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.079 In the summer of two thousand and eighteen, I was 1128 01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.039 on a hike in an area where I cannot disclose. 1129 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.079 I am already taking a risk by exposing this information, 1130 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.000 and I am not willing to chance someone being able 1131 01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:12.159 to figure out my identity. During this hike, I lost 1132 01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:15.639 track of time. This happens fairly often for me. I 1133 01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.719 enjoy getting away from the normal routine and trying to 1134 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:20.719 enjoying nature to its fullest extent. As it started to 1135 01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:22.840 get dark, I realized I needed to get back to 1136 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:25.639 where I left my vehicle parked. I wasn't too far 1137 01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.360 from it, but it was far enough that if I 1138 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.639 didn't hurry, I would end up walking in the dark, 1139 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:32.960 I didn't bring a light, only my phone. I've done 1140 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.039 this numerous times and have never had any sort of strangeness, 1141 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:39.119 but this time something felt off. I cannot describe it 1142 01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:41.159 as anything more than just an odd feeling like someone 1143 01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:45.239 was watching me. Being alone, I felt vulnerable. I wasn't 1144 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.199 thinking of it being anything more than just a feeling, 1145 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.920 but it was enough to make me uncomfortable. As I 1146 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.760 got closer to where I had parked, maybe within one kilometer, 1147 01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:54.920 I noticed that the normal sound of the forest was 1148 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.639 no longer active. There was an eerie silence that I've 1149 01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:01.360 never experienced before while walking down these trails. In my research, 1150 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:03.679 it has been suggested and observed that animals will go 1151 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.440 quiet in the presence of a predator. I firmly believe 1152 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:09.000 this was the case. Within the next minute or two, 1153 01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:11.800 I heard something that broke the silence. It was the 1154 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.599 sound of something walking behind me, but at a strange pace. 1155 01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.719 I looked back but saw nothing. Startled by this, I 1156 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:21.760 hastily kept heading in the direction my vehicle. I started 1157 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.440 hearing more footsteps along the trees as leaves and sticks 1158 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.480 were being crunched. It was coming from both sides and 1159 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:29.880 what still sounded like was walking directly behind me on 1160 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.159 the trail. I started to run, knowing this was not ideal, 1161 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.199 but the primal instinct and adrenaline searched me forward. As 1162 01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.480 I made it to my vehicle, it sounded like whatever 1163 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.320 it was had circled around me, but there wasn't anything visible. 1164 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.079 As soon as I started to drive off, thinking I 1165 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:46.920 was safe, something stepped out directly in my line of sight. 1166 01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:50.559 We have no known bipotal animals in this area beside humans, 1167 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:52.519 but this creature walked as if it was a man. 1168 01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.719 Its face looked very much canine in appearance, but its 1169 01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:57.519 shape was not that of any I am familiar with. 1170 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.800 Areas of its body had strange markings or perhaps scarce, 1171 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.480 as the fur was missing. It was not an animal 1172 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.400 with mange. That is the most logical explanation I have 1173 01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:08.800 came across as a bear with mange. There are no 1174 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.159 wild bears in this region, but that does not mean 1175 01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.880 it is impossible. As it stood there in my head lights, 1176 01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:15.679 I had came to a stop as it was blocking 1177 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:18.760 my path forward. I now believe it was doing this intentionally, 1178 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:20.280 as from the right side of the wood line ran 1179 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.239 another right up to my driver's window, its breath causing 1180 01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.880 my window to steam over. I pressed down as hard 1181 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:28.440 as possible on the accelerator and drove right towards whatever 1182 01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:30.800 was standing in the road. It must have jumped out 1183 01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:32.239 of the way, but it happened so fast that I 1184 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:34.079 am unaware of where it would have went. But it 1185 01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:35.960 was no longer there, and as I was driving off, 1186 01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:39.119 leaving a cloud of dust behind, both creatures were giving chase, 1187 01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:42.000 but were quickly engulfed by the pathway's dust. I tried 1188 01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:43.960 to file a report with the proper chain of command 1189 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.199 about what happened, to which I was instructed to drop 1190 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:48.960 any further claims if this happening. In fear of any 1191 01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:52.400 sort of retribution, I have remained silent. I now firmly 1192 01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:54.719 believe that others are aware of these creatures, but are 1193 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.480 not able to discuss them publicly. I'm not sure how 1194 01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.960 far the knowledge goes, or what the reasoning behind the secret. 1195 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.079 I believe them to be dangerous, but also curious. They 1196 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:05.880 could have easily attacked me, and if they wanted to. 1197 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.800 I believe they were making their presence known and either 1198 01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:10.840 wanted me to leave, or they wanted to see what 1199 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.360 I would do. I would like to apologize for being 1200 01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:16.920 cautiously vague. Be careful with who you speak with. There 1201 01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:19.079 are many out there who seek to discredit their existence 1202 01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:22.119 and others who have more financial benefit by spreading misinformation. 1203 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:27.760 I'd like to take this time and welcome my guest 1204 01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.480 to day, Mary, Mary. Thanks for coming on here and 1205 01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:31.000 talking with me. 1206 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:34.480 Oh, you're welcome. Thank you for having me. 1207 01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:36.000 So where are you from? 1208 01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:42.440 Originally I'm from Delaware, but I moved to Ohio when 1209 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:43.239 I was ten. 1210 01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:46.280 Yeah, so they're not too far. I live in Indiana, 1211 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:51.519 so kind of in the same Midwestern states, right, the 1212 01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:57.159 good old Midwest. Now, you'd messaged me back a couple 1213 01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:01.760 months ago about your encounter that you'd had, and I 1214 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:05.519 thought it was a little interesting just because of some 1215 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:08.519 of the details to it. But if you'd like to 1216 01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:11.239 jump into it, feel free. 1217 01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:20.599 Okay. It was back in the early two thousands. Don't 1218 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.639 remember exactly what year, I know it was early two thousands. 1219 01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:29.360 Me and my mom were heading to home from my 1220 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:34.679 aunt's house she lived over in pa Well, we were 1221 01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:42.320 living in Majori at the time, and we were driving home, 1222 01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:48.000 taking the back roads, and how we would go would 1223 01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:54.519 we would oh, it was called Hubbard Majory Road. And 1224 01:07:55.599 --> 01:08:01.920 from Hubbard Majory me like turned on to Chestnut Bridge 1225 01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:10.320 between Hubbard and Majorie because it was still kind of early. 1226 01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:13.400 I'm not really early. It was like ten o'clock at night, 1227 01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:19.279 but it was early for us. And I've heard all 1228 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.840 these different stories about North Fox North and I'm like, hey, ma, 1229 01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:30.359 it's I think it was like end of September, early October, 1230 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:33.880 but it was still really warm out. We had our 1231 01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:36.760 windows rolled down. I'm like, let's take a drive down 1232 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:39.560 north Fox North see what all these stories are about 1233 01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:46.279 about the railroad tracks and whatnot. So she decides we 1234 01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:50.159 had nothing better to do. She went for it. Turned 1235 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:52.760 the car off when we got to the railroad tracks, 1236 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:55.439 turned all the lights off, everything we were supposed to 1237 01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:57.560 do so we could hear the screaming, you know, the 1238 01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:03.399 crying woman. Nothing happened. I mean we sat there for 1239 01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:07.760 a good like fifteen twenty minutes, nothing happens, turn lights on, 1240 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:15.840 turned back around, started heading back to Chestnut Ridge, and 1241 01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:20.840 it was clear when we turned onto north Fox North 1242 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:25.439 coming back, there is like a world dense heavy fog 1243 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:31.359 just at the entrance of North Fox North to Chestnut 1244 01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:37.760 Ridge and someone kind of slowed down, and because we 1245 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.159 couldn't really see what was coming, and we get to 1246 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:46.520 the stop sign and out of this world dunse Fog 1247 01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:55.600 comes walking this like humongous dog. We thought at first 1248 01:09:55.640 --> 01:10:01.920 that somebody's Doverman pincher had gotten loose, so we rolled 1249 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:09.359 up the windows and we'd sat there and we're like, 1250 01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:13.239 what is that. We're trying to figure it out because 1251 01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:17.439 it was bigger than what a Doberman pincher would look like. 1252 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:22.880 And this truck was coming off of sixty two turned 1253 01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:27.119 down Justnut Ridge, and as its headlights hit it, that's 1254 01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:30.279 when we actually saw what we were looking at. And 1255 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:33.880 it looked the only way I can describe this thing 1256 01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:38.720 is it looked like a dog from Resonant Evil with 1257 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:43.800 the chunks of fur and skin and all that missing 1258 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:47.640 from it. And it had its head down and was 1259 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:53.159 walking or slowed towards us like it was stalking us. Well, 1260 01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:59.039 the truck saw it, the truck stopped. Mom was trying 1261 01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:01.640 to figure out a way to get out around it 1262 01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:09.920 because we were absolutely terrified. We didn't know what it was. 1263 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:14.600 All we can all we could think of is Resident 1264 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:21.159 Evil dog from Resident evil and she turned. He he around, 1265 01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:25.760 the truck stopped, The dog turned, looked at the truck 1266 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:32.119 started moving towards the truck. Well as it got closer 1267 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:34.399 to the truck, because it was closer to the truck 1268 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:40.119 than it was to us. And we saw that it 1269 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:45.479 was a good incher two. The back of this dog 1270 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.880 was a good inch or two above the hood of 1271 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.800 the truck, and it was a lifted truck. It had 1272 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:57.199 the huge tires to it. And we took that opportunity. 1273 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.680 Mom took off and I think we made it home 1274 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:04.399 within like three minutes. And it was a good like 1275 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:06.800 ten minute drive from where we were, and we made 1276 01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:14.319 it home. It's three minutes. I never saw it. Yeah, 1277 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:17.760 we never saw anything like that again. And Mom to 1278 01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.640 this day has not driven down that road. 1279 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:24.039 Was it on all four legs? 1280 01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:24.920 Yes? 1281 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.680 Do you think it's possible that I know this is 1282 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:33.720 it's been thrown towards me about stuff as well, that 1283 01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:36.119 it could have possibly been like a bear with mange. 1284 01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:38.960 I know that's always go to skeptic's point of view 1285 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:40.840 of when you see something strangely. It was just a 1286 01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:42.680 bear with mange. 1287 01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:50.720 No living in Majory and traveling that area, because I 1288 01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:56.119 would drive and walk that area all the time, never 1289 01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:58.880 once saw any sign of bears. 1290 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.319 I'm not familiar with the areas. I don't know bears 1291 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:05.000 are even there. I don't Here in Indiana we don't 1292 01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:08.880 have bears, but we also aren't supposed to have dog 1293 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:10.479 men walking gay nineties. 1294 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:15.319 They're so right. Well, I told my boyfriend about it 1295 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.800 because we've told a few people about it, because when 1296 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:22.000 we got home, my mom and me looked at each 1297 01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:24.439 other and we're like, I wish we had a camera. 1298 01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:27.880 Nobody is going to believe us. 1299 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:34.399 What do the ears look like. 1300 01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:33.720 Like a Gerberman pincers? 1301 01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:40.439 The so pointy? Yeah, okay, that's the one thing I 1302 01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:43.800 always kind of go to when people say bear, usually 1303 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:46.279 bears ears. To the best of my knowledge, I'm no 1304 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:50.479 zoology around. Yes, they're around it, and pointy is more 1305 01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:52.680 canine or feline or something like that. 1306 01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:58.079 So now it was you take a picture of the 1307 01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:02.960 old Resident Evil style video games, and that's what we saw. 1308 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:05.119 Just like bigger. 1309 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:10.920 About judging, how tall would you think? It was? Just 1310 01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:12.520 on four legs? 1311 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.399 As I said, it was a lifted truck that it 1312 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:20.079 was walking towards, and the back of it was a 1313 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:24.720 good two inches above that, So I would say it 1314 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:29.479 was a good like four feet from its back, not 1315 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:34.640 even counting its head, just its back down to the ground. 1316 01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:40.319 That's pretty big for a dog in general. I don't 1317 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:42.680 know of any dogs back four feet from the ground. 1318 01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:46.640 That's right, neither do I. 1319 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:48.159 How long would you think it was? 1320 01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:53.079 Oh? 1321 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:55.520 Is that. 1322 01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:04.720 I have to say probably probably, Like I'm probably like 1323 01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:10.399 way off on this two had a half three feet 1324 01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:14.399 because mean, it was like it was massive, it was huge, 1325 01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:21.920 but you I don't know. I want to say like 1326 01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:24.960 one and a half three feet, but that just doesn't 1327 01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:27.079 seem right in my head. 1328 01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:29.840 So that's about the size of a normal sized dog. 1329 01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:32.880 So either it's legs that have to be extremely long 1330 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:39.359 or yeah, I don't know, how long would you think 1331 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:41.880 the legs were? It looked like it had abnormally long 1332 01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:46.239 legs because the body link itself seems fairly normal. It's 1333 01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:47.880 just I don't know how it would be so tall 1334 01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:50.680 if it was proportionate wise, it seems like its legs 1335 01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:56.520 would be a lot bigger just to get to that height, right, Yeah, No, 1336 01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:01.800 I mean it was basically overall it appear normal size 1337 01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:07.920 except the height of it. Yeah, Okay, Yeah, I don't 1338 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:12.439 know if any dog that would be really tall leg 1339 01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:16.640 wise and the more compressed, like almost like a stockier 1340 01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:23.479 long leg dog. Right, even even the biggest dogs that 1341 01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:24.079 are like the. 1342 01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:29.760 Like the greyhounds that have like naturally long legs. 1343 01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:34.520 Yeah, great great Danes sometimes have pointiers as well, and 1344 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.680 they're fairly tall, but I don't know if they're but 1345 01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:40.520 their backs and everything, they're nowhere near four feet tall 1346 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:41.640 from the back part of them. 1347 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:43.199 So right. 1348 01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:47.000 The description from what you say, it almost reminds me, 1349 01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:48.760 and I think I said this to you before, the 1350 01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:52.439 old lore of the hell hound, the old black dog 1351 01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:53.640 always patrolling around. 1352 01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:57.479 Yeah, that's what my boyfriend had told me. When I 1353 01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.119 first told him, he was like, honey, he's like, you 1354 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:01.199 saw a hell hound. 1355 01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:04.680 We used to have a area that we used to 1356 01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:06.399 go to, so it's to be a haunted place, and 1357 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:08.359 on the way there, there was always a big black 1358 01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:10.520 dog we always called the hell hound that would run 1359 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:12.439 out and we've seen it laying in people's yards before, 1360 01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:14.079 so we knew it was just third dog. But it 1361 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:16.159 was just a big, large black dog and it always 1362 01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:18.640 would come out and chase your vehicle. And as teenagers, 1363 01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:21.399 were like, Oh, there's a hell hound, right. 1364 01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:29.600 Well, my boyfriend did research on the area because he's 1365 01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:38.000 really into that. Completely by accident, but he goes he's 1366 01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:45.079 more into like the Bigfoot. He's found out that they 1367 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:52.720 have like a mini harp stationed around that area, and 1368 01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:59.960 that area for years has had several like paranormal things happen. 1369 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:04.000 Not to get too off topic, but I've always thought 1370 01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:06.800 that when they put up these weird facilities or whatever, 1371 01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.079 there's a reason why they do it in specific areas. 1372 01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:12.960 I think it's because of the actual activity that goes 1373 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.600 on there. I think there's some sort of a dinner 1374 01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:16.479 veil or something. 1375 01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:22.800 Right now, I believe it, But yeah, he did. He 1376 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:25.800 found out there's like a mini harp stationed there. 1377 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.720 The harp is one of those weird instances I've talked about, 1378 01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:31.439 I think on our first episode a little bit that 1379 01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:37.000 I've ever done. But yeah, it's that in Itself's the 1380 01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:39.720 reason I call the podcast ten foil Tels because we 1381 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:45.479 dive into those conspiracies too. So you've never had any 1382 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:49.239 other experience with something similar to a canine like that, 1383 01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:54.640 Now you had to guess what it actually was. What 1384 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:56.439 in your mind you think it. 1385 01:18:56.319 --> 01:19:07.760 Was mine resin Deevil Dog. It's that's what it looked like. 1386 01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:11.479 That's it's the resin Eevil Dog. 1387 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:14.800 Did it look like they were fresh wounds on it, 1388 01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:16.399 like blood? Or was it did it look like it 1389 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:19.039 was just missing fur scars or how did that look? 1390 01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:28.840 No, it looked like old old bands. That just because 1391 01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:32.199 you could see down to the bone and the muscle 1392 01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.159 and it just. 1393 01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:36.079 It looked like. 1394 01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:39.119 Almost like the zombie dog. 1395 01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:40.159 Yeah. 1396 01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:45.000 Yeah, that's why mean Mom. That's why mean Mom nicknamed 1397 01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:46.439 it the resin Eevil Dog. 1398 01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:50.439 Yeah. Growing up, that was always one of my favorite 1399 01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:52.920 games and all about those dogs. First time I played 1400 01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:56.359 it back in I think ninety seven. Uh, like I'm 1401 01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:58.520 bursting through the window. Scared the crap out of me 1402 01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:03.680 and my friend my little brow there, Right, but those 1403 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:04.960 were good times. 1404 01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:05.720 Yeah. 1405 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:11.479 I could play the first game. After that, uh huh. 1406 01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:14.079 I could watch people play it. I could solve the puzzles. 1407 01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:15.760 I just couldn't physically play it. 1408 01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:19.239 They got progressively harder, but I think they've gotten better 1409 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:19.760 over time. 1410 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:21.039 Right. 1411 01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:25.119 Well, Mary, I appreciate you coming on here and talk 1412 01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:27.680 with me, but I think we're gonna try to wrap 1413 01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:29.840 this one up. This is going to be included, like 1414 01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:33.680 I said earlier on this special episode that I've got 1415 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:35.760 going on. So I'm trying to keep these episodes a 1416 01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:38.159 little shorter just because I've got to try to compile 1417 01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:38.640 them all. 1418 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:46.760 Together, right, and my story is so short on that anyway, Now, you're. 1419 01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:49.439 Your story is similar to a lot of I've heard 1420 01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:53.520 from other podcasts and other witnesses as well, like they 1421 01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:56.840 see something and it just kind of goes on. But yeah, 1422 01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:59.880 that's uh, that's how it kind of happened. Like you 1423 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:03.479 see something, it's real quick and then from there, like 1424 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:05.520 even mine, mine's a little different just because of what 1425 01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:08.159 went on and I went back. But other than that, 1426 01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:10.399 like a lot of the time, people only see these 1427 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:12.600 things for a split second or two, so there's not 1428 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:14.920 all well, there's not a whole lot to the stories. 1429 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:16.840 Half the time, if you have a big, in depth story, 1430 01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:21.720 sometimes it's kind of questionable about if it's so long 1431 01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:23.960 and intricate, how come it didn't attack you know what 1432 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:24.359 I mean? 1433 01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.600 Like, right, we weren't you make me the chance to No, I. 1434 01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:31.560 Don't blame you. People said, I'm brave for going back 1435 01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:33.039 to see what I look for, as I I don't 1436 01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:35.079 think I'm brave. I think I'm probably just stupid. 1437 01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:42.039 But you know, nah, because I've actually gone back hoping 1438 01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:46.720 to see it again and nothing. 1439 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:50.840 Yeah, sometimes you don't want to see it again, to 1440 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:51.720 be honest. 1441 01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:55.359 Because I want to make sure that what I saw 1442 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.760 was actually what I saw, because you know how some 1443 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.079 it's like you get home and you think about it, 1444 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:05.479 it's like, well, was that worldly what I saw? Could 1445 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:09.399 it have been something else? But the size doesn't add up. 1446 01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.039 Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. A lot of 1447 01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:15.720 people need that validation to reaffirm that they saw what 1448 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:20.119 they saw, so they're not crazy right now. I completely 1449 01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:23.800 get it. But again, I appreciate you coming on here 1450 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:25.720 and talk with me this morning. It's been a pleasure. 1451 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:27.800 Oh You're more than welcome. 1452 01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:33.399 And if you happen to see anything strange again, know 1453 01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:37.920 where to reach out to exactly. All right, Well you 1454 01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:38.960 take care, thank you. 1455 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:43.359 All right, Thank you you too, b Bye. 1456 01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:50.319 In February of two thousand and seven, I encountered something 1457 01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:51.840 in the middle of the road one night, and it 1458 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:54.479 really changed my whole perspective of what I could believe 1459 01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:56.640 in and what I didn't believe in. I've always been 1460 01:22:56.680 --> 01:23:00.800 a skeptical person. When I saw this creature, it defied 1461 01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:05.079 any type of logic. Nothing like this is known to exist, 1462 01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.000 and nothing like this should exist. But I saw this 1463 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:12.319 strange creature. I will not say a dog man or 1464 01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:15.840 anything like that, because it didn't have the typical dog 1465 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:17.479 man featured other than the fact that it was just 1466 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:20.439 a large black dog that could walk on two legs. 1467 01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:24.359 Is a dog man? Was it something else? There's a 1468 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:26.560 lot more to the story than just that, but that 1469 01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.399 is the event that changed my reality of being able 1470 01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:32.960 to accept the unacceptable, maybe really start questioning things and 1471 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:37.119 diving into stories and other people's stories about what they've encountered. 1472 01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:40.039 That is why I made ten Foiltales podcast. So if 1473 01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:42.720 you're still listening and you have a story you'd like 1474 01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:45.600 to share, feel free to send an email in Foiltales 1475 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:48.840 podcast at gmail dot com. We will get you scheduled 1476 01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:51.159 on a future episode. We're going to bring in the 1477 01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:54.720 last guest for this episode, so I really appreciate all 1478 01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:57.199 you sticking around listening to it checking it out, and 1479 01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:03.159 I hope you guys have enjoyed it. I'd like to 1480 01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:04.880 take this time and welcome my guest tonight. 1481 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:05.159 Al. 1482 01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:06.640 Thanks for coming on here talking with me. 1483 01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:09.000 Thank you, thank you for having me brother, Thank you 1484 01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:12.079 very much. It's my excited you to be here, absolutely. 1485 01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:14.840 Thank you, definitely my pleasure to have you. So I've 1486 01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:18.359 only heard little bits and pieces about your experience. You've 1487 01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:21.479 had several and a lot of other ones too, but 1488 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:24.520 far as dog Man goes, I know I was recommended 1489 01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:26.720 to reach out to you. So you want to give 1490 01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:29.079 a little bit of background for the listeners about yourself 1491 01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:30.279 before we dive into it. 1492 01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:35.279 Okay, my name is al Santa Riga. I'm a paranormal. 1493 01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:39.920 Unless you get a research I'm the founder of the 1494 01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:44.960 Bronxville Paranormal Society. I'm founder of the New York State 1495 01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:49.479 UFO Project, the founder of the New York State dog 1496 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:54.319 Man Project, founder of the New York State Sasquatch Organization. 1497 01:24:55.439 --> 01:25:00.920 And I was just made director of Regent three UH 1498 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:04.800 for the North American Dogban Project by Jodie Cook today 1499 01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.119 as a matter of fact, price it was a surprise 1500 01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:11.600 to me. And so you know, I have my hands 1501 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:15.560 and a lot of different things, and you know you 1502 01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.079 can find me on we have a YouTube page, and 1503 01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:21.880 we have all over the social media, but mostly I'm 1504 01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:25.880 on Facebook. That's where I kind of stay most of 1505 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:26.319 the time. 1506 01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:29.359 That's what I do too. I just I got these 1507 01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:32.479 social medias and I hate social media in general, so 1508 01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:36.199 I stick with Facebook because that's the only one I 1509 01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:39.279 really tend to use. The other ones I don't. I 1510 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:39.680 don't mess. 1511 01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:42.960 Yeah, it's just it's just too many, too many different 1512 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:46.279 media sites, and my partner has got us on every 1513 01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:49.199 single thing under the sun, and I just can't keep 1514 01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:51.119 up with all of that stuff, you know what I mean. 1515 01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:54.720 So I'll stick to Facebook. If people people want to 1516 01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:56.560 talk to me, they can reach me at any of 1517 01:25:56.600 --> 01:26:01.680 those groups. I get all the emails. I think the BPS, 1518 01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:04.199 the Bronchiel Paranormal side we have we have a hot 1519 01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:06.920 line there, and we have a hot line for I 1520 01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:10.079 think the I think it's the New York State UPSOL 1521 01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:13.359 project as well. If you call, I'll either get me 1522 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:16.439 my partner Brian, and we'll get back to you guys, 1523 01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:19.840 and or you can reach me my private messenger on 1524 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:24.199 Facebook Messenger and just message me privately and I'll answer 1525 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:27.000 any question you have or you know, talk to you. 1526 01:26:27.199 --> 01:26:29.800 I'm not very accessible, you know. 1527 01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:32.279 Yeah, So I reached out to you and within like 1528 01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:33.520 a minute, you responded to me. 1529 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:36.760 So yeah, like I said, well, you know, you know 1530 01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:38.039 all the right people, you know what? 1531 01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:41.840 Oh yeah, but starting to get my foot in the 1532 01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:42.520 door a little bit. 1533 01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:46.199 Good, good, absolutely, And once you get your foot in that, 1534 01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:49.439 once you get that door cracked, uh, be careful what 1535 01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:57.640 you wish for. Anyway, we we were out one night 1536 01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:02.479 doing an investigation and we were bluffed arched. Long story short, 1537 01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:06.680 we thought it was a sasquatch. After we looked at 1538 01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:10.159 at the photos, we turned out to be a dog man. Okay, 1539 01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:14.560 so it's being pulled back to that location, not knowing 1540 01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:21.319 why went back to that location, And after hours of 1541 01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:25.680 looking and not finding anything, I jumped up on this 1542 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:28.000 giant rock and I moved some cattails that were in 1543 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:31.159 the swamps, and I noticed there was a den in 1544 01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:34.640 the swamp. And I had my partner Brian jump up 1545 01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:37.119 with my cameraman Bill jump on this giant rock and 1546 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:40.000 we looked into it and Bill zoomed in, and when 1547 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:44.319 we zoomed in, we see the giant K nine wolf 1548 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:48.840 like head looking to the south, and then a smaller one, 1549 01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:54.520 almost coyote ish, not coyote hyena ish, looking at us, 1550 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:57.840 snarling at us, and we believed that was the one 1551 01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:02.319 that actually bought bluff charged us to high one. And 1552 01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:06.600 you know, we found a lot of evidence that day, 1553 01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:08.079 once the veil was most. 1554 01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:08.439 From our eyes. 1555 01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:11.560 We found a lot of evidence and went home not 1556 01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:14.960 taking anything of it. And then one night, it was 1557 01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:19.720 maybe a couple months later, because we were we were 1558 01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:23.880 there in July and it was around September, early October. 1559 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:28.159 I'm sleeping and I'm a city guy. I grew up 1560 01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:30.079 in the city. I live up in the country now. 1561 01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.800 And you know, when you grow up in the city, 1562 01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:34.920 you live on the fresh floor. You don't leave your 1563 01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:38.119 windows open at night because someone will crawl in. Okay, 1564 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:41.199 but I had already taken the air conditions out of 1565 01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:43.399 the window. It was a hot, full night, so I 1566 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.640 had the bedroom window opened by my side of the bed, 1567 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:50.720 which is something I never do, and my wife is 1568 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:52.880 sleeping next to me. We have a little cat in 1569 01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:56.359 between us, one of our cats, and around three o'clock 1570 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:59.439 in the morning popped up. Just felt like there was 1571 01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:04.399 something wrong, felt a strange energy. And I don't claim 1572 01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:07.520 to be psychic by any stretching imagination, but I do 1573 01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:11.399 have all the clarees I can't do them at will. 1574 01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:13.479 It just comes to me as it comes to me. 1575 01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:16.960 And a little voice in my head said, touch the wall. 1576 01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:19.319 And I touched the wall, and I was trying to 1577 01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:21.119 get a feeling for what was on the other side 1578 01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:26.359 of the wall. And it wasn't like a sasquatch energy, 1579 01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:28.800 because I do have sasquatches that come by and leave 1580 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:32.159 me gifts in my yard. But it wasn't a sasquatch energy, 1581 01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:35.239 and it just had an ominous failing to it. And 1582 01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:41.319 then the little cat CALLI not CALLI, what's the guy's 1583 01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:44.960 name of Patch? Patch jumped up out of the bed 1584 01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:48.399 and ran upstairs. She was scared to death. At that point, 1585 01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:52.119 I got up and I went and looked out the window, 1586 01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:55.000 and I couldn't see any The yard was pitch black. 1587 01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:57.840 It was a dark night, and they couldn't see anything. 1588 01:29:58.600 --> 01:30:03.600 But I heard something go and I was like, what 1589 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:06.600 the hell is that? So I slowly closed the window 1590 01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:10.039 along I grabbed a pistol group shot and I have 1591 01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:13.920 in the closet. I go around a chamber and I 1592 01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:17.600 started to walk towards the kitchen to open up sliding 1593 01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:19.680 glitz stort to put those floodlights on in the yard 1594 01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:23.279 to see what was out there. And as I was 1595 01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:25.800 walking through the living room, a little voice in my 1596 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.920 head said, stop, you don't want to see what's out there. 1597 01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:33.239 Go back to bed. This is something that you know 1598 01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:38.000 is nine out of ten times, I'm going to see 1599 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:40.399 what's out there, because that's just who I am, you 1600 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:42.800 know what I mean. If there's something or somebody in 1601 01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:45.399 my yard, I gotta know about it. But for some 1602 01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:49.560 reason that night, I turned around the round out of 1603 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.880 the chamber, I put the shock and the way I 1604 01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:54.880 went back to bed like nothing happened, jumped in the 1605 01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:58.000 car to work, called on partner Brian. I said, dude, 1606 01:30:58.039 --> 01:30:59.760 I think there was a dog been at my house. 1607 01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:05.000 And he said, okay, when you go home tonight, check 1608 01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:08.359 the backyard for prints, you know, for tracks. Now, we 1609 01:31:08.399 --> 01:31:11.119 had just had our backyard dug up because we had 1610 01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:13.840 just laid down new lines from the well we had 1611 01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:16.840 well water. We had ran new lines from the well 1612 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:19.720 back to the house, and so there was a lot 1613 01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:23.399 of dirt and not a lot of grass at this point. 1614 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:26.840 And when I got home that night, I went to 1615 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:32.199 the backyard and I looked around and there underneath the window, 1616 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:36.039 because the lines kind of run right underneath my bedroom 1617 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:40.439 window to the basement. Under the bedroom window were three 1618 01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:43.239 claw marks, like to let them say, yeah, I was 1619 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:47.319 here last night, you know. And I was like, okay, 1620 01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:50.399 very interesting, you know. I took pictures of the claw marks, 1621 01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:52.520 the scratches in the dirt. I took pictures of the 1622 01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:57.000 window where they were situated and everything, and I was like, okay, 1623 01:31:57.199 --> 01:31:59.800 wonder what that's all about. Didn't really know what that 1624 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:03.840 was all about, you know, not putting two and two together, 1625 01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:06.199 like why is there a dog being at my house? 1626 01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:12.720 But about a week or so later, I go out 1627 01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:14.520 in the morning to start my car and get up 1628 01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:17.560 before thirty in the water, and I usually go out. 1629 01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.239 When I go out to start my car, I have 1630 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:23.479 four cars on the drive with starting mine closest to 1631 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:26.199 the street, and my wife's, my daughters and my sons, 1632 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:31.800 and I go out. I usually take a can of 1633 01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:36.199 pepper spray with me in a nice size pocket knife nothing, 1634 01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:38.479 you know, not a not a bowie knife, ranking but 1635 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:42.319 a nice size because sometimes we have packs of wild 1636 01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:44.720 dogs that run through the neighborhood and tear up the garbage, 1637 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:46.800 and I don't want to be mulled by pack of 1638 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:50.239 wild dogs, and we have coyotes up here are the 1639 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:53.439 sides of German shepherds. I had one run into me 1640 01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:56.439 and not be into train and dislocate my shoulder, you know. 1641 01:32:57.119 --> 01:32:59.640 So I'm not gonna be an honest I go out 1642 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.560 with my little knife and my pepper spray. I start 1643 01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:05.079 up the car and as I'm walking out towards the car, 1644 01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:10.760 I feel like something is watching me. As I look around, 1645 01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:13.479 there's nothing in my yard. I look into my neighbor 1646 01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:15.119 to the left, and I look to my neighbors to 1647 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:19.199 the right. There's nothing in nothing out there. Oh, before 1648 01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:23.399 I go out, I five o'clock in the morning, four 1649 01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:26.119 thirty in the morning, I opened up the sliding glass 1650 01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:28.720 store because we have this little cat so lives in 1651 01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:32.640 the doghouse outside. Her name is Calli and she's patching 1652 01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:35.279 his mom okay, and we feed her. I feed her 1653 01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:38.159 in the morning, and then I closed close up the 1654 01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:41.279 sliding lift store again. I lock it. Now I'm walking 1655 01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:45.560 out after feeding feeding Cali, and I'm walking out and 1656 01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:49.199 I get this feeling. And I'm just far enough down 1657 01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:51.439 the walk where the sense of lights on the front 1658 01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:54.800 deck are on have come on, and I can't see 1659 01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:59.000 really anything under the deck because the sens of lights 1660 01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:03.119 are blinding me. Walk out to my car, start it up, 1661 01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:08.520 and I'm walking back and I'm getting this feeling like 1662 01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:14.640 there is something under the front deck. And man, I'm 1663 01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:20.079 telling you, every fiber in my body was flugg out 1664 01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:23.239 of control. So I'm the type of guy that if 1665 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:26.840 there's something that's not supposed to be there there, whether 1666 01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:31.000 it's a human or anything else, I'm going to approach it. 1667 01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:33.960 We're gonna find out what it is. So as I 1668 01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:42.159 start walking towards the front deck with the garages, every 1669 01:34:42.199 --> 01:34:44.760 step I take, I'm hearing a little voice in my 1670 01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:48.880 head say you should stop right here, and I keep going. 1671 01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:51.800 I passed my wife's car, and I passed my son's car, 1672 01:34:52.119 --> 01:34:54.560 and I'm coming up on my daughter's car and like 1673 01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:57.760 red flags are going off in my head and the 1674 01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:01.199 voice is agreement, stop stop. I got my knife out 1675 01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:04.159 at this point. I got the I got the I 1676 01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:07.159 got the pepper spray in one hand, the knife in 1677 01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:10.720 the other, and I'm just getting up to the front 1678 01:35:10.720 --> 01:35:14.039 door of my daughter's car and it's halfway underneath the 1679 01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:17.359 deck and I'm looking at it. I've got my hand 1680 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:19.640 in front of my eye to shade my eyes from 1681 01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:25.279 the sensor lights, and I start to see the biggest 1682 01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:30.439 K nine head you've ever seen in your life under 1683 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:33.880 the front deck. Now the deck is about seven feet high, 1684 01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:36.720 and whatever under there is kind of bunched over to 1685 01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:41.079 get under there. And as my eyes are starting to focus, 1686 01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:44.880 I see like a lion's man come down off its 1687 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:50.039 shoulders and down its chest. And I know what I'm 1688 01:35:50.079 --> 01:35:53.640 looking at. I know what I'm looking at, and I 1689 01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:57.239 hear a little voice in my head say, you should 1690 01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:02.319 probably start to back head, laddie here, you know. And 1691 01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:05.800 I start to back out slowly. And I'm backing out slowly. 1692 01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:09.119 And as I get to the front steps and I'm 1693 01:36:09.159 --> 01:36:13.439 going up to the house, I'm debating with myself. Do 1694 01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:15.640 I wake up my son and my son in law, 1695 01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:19.479 break out the guns and go to war with this thing, 1696 01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:23.479 because I got plenty of guns and I got plenty 1697 01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:29.560 of ammunition, and everybody in my house shoots, and I'm thinking, 1698 01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:33.359 but I've heard enough stories that it never really ends 1699 01:36:33.439 --> 01:36:36.279 well for people who go to war with these creatures. 1700 01:36:37.119 --> 01:36:40.279 So I say, you know what, I'm not going to 1701 01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:47.119 say nothing to nobody. I'm gonna just go and go 1702 01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:50.439 to go in the house, get my stuff, get myself 1703 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:53.159 and go to work. So I do that. I don't 1704 01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:54.920 say anything to anybody. I go in the house, I 1705 01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:56.840 lock in the door, I go to get a car 1706 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:58.600 and I drive off. I go to work, but on 1707 01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:02.520 the way out, I my tactical flesh light because I 1708 01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:05.119 want to see. I want to get eyes on what's 1709 01:37:05.239 --> 01:37:08.720 under there. You know, I'm just seeing a really huge 1710 01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:11.640 dark shadow figure, you know, in the shape of a canine, 1711 01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:15.680 a bipedal canine. So I grab my tactical fleshlight and 1712 01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:18.880 I put it on. And there's nothing under the deck. 1713 01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:20.760 Whichever is there is God. 1714 01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:22.359 But as I. 1715 01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:27.279 Walk closer to the deck, I'm smelling the most nastiest 1716 01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:33.560 pukeut kind of smell. And I noticed that this creature 1717 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:39.760 has urinated all over my brand new retaining wall. And 1718 01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:43.520 the urine is running down the wall, and it's running 1719 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:48.479 down to the drain, and it stinks to high heaven, 1720 01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:52.159 and it's looks like an almost like an oil slick. 1721 01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:55.159 It's got a oily kind of substance to it. It's 1722 01:37:55.399 --> 01:37:58.119 it's like a slick, kind of oily kind of look 1723 01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:02.479 to it. And I get in the car, and I'm pissed. 1724 01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:05.640 I'm saying, man, this thing just pissed out my brand 1725 01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:06.279 new wall. 1726 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:06.640 You know. 1727 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:10.079 That really burns my ass, you know. And then I'm thinking, 1728 01:38:10.600 --> 01:38:13.279 as I'm driving, I'm thinking, well, this is a sign 1729 01:38:13.359 --> 01:38:17.119 of dominance. He's trying to take Clane to my house. 1730 01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:21.159 You know, he pissed out my property, you know, not 1731 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:27.840 thinking back to the day we seen the creatures in 1732 01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:31.479 the den, I know for a fact now I remember, 1733 01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:35.000 didn't remember at that time, but at some point I 1734 01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:39.439 had a urinate and I urinated not necessarily on the den. 1735 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:41.680 This was in the middle of the swamp, but on 1736 01:38:42.279 --> 01:38:45.159 you know, like the trees that were surrounded what that 1737 01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:48.760 was surrounding the swamp. So maybe he thought I was 1738 01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:52.560 trying to take Lane to his territory and he was 1739 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:56.760 going to do the same to me. So I get 1740 01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:58.800 to work, get to work an hour early. I get 1741 01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:01.079 to work, I'm sitting in the lunch room. I'm drinking 1742 01:39:01.079 --> 01:39:04.399 my coffee, reading my paper, and my wife calls me 1743 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:07.720 and she's hysterical, and I go, what's the matter? And 1744 01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:11.079 she's like, I went to open the sliding glass door 1745 01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:14.399 on the back my sliding lift store has three different 1746 01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:16.840 locks on it. Again, because I'm from the city and 1747 01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:19.199 we're anal that way to make sure everything is locked. 1748 01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:21.239 And up here in the country there are no street 1749 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:22.800 lights and it's dark. 1750 01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:23.560 You know what I mean. 1751 01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:27.479 When you go from the city where it's always street 1752 01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:29.720 lights and noise, thinking, well, open the country with it's 1753 01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:33.439 no lights and it's dark and it's quiet, it's spooky. 1754 01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:33.199 You know. 1755 01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:36.640 So we when we put our sliding glass door in, 1756 01:39:37.359 --> 01:39:39.520 we made sure we got one with three different locks, 1757 01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:44.159 you know. And I went to open up the sliding 1758 01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:46.800 glass door to see Cali, and I was like, why 1759 01:39:46.800 --> 01:39:49.039 are you seeing the cat against She just feed her 1760 01:39:49.039 --> 01:39:50.520 at flying s thirty? Why are you seeing her at 1761 01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:53.920 seven thirty? She just and that doesn't matter. What matters 1762 01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:57.239 is when I opened the Sliding Glifts store, the door 1763 01:39:58.119 --> 01:40:01.960 started to fall out of the frame on top of her. 1764 01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:05.119 And my son just happened to be in the kitchen 1765 01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:07.640 getting ready to go to the school, I think back then, 1766 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:11.119 and he caught the door and he put it back 1767 01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:13.720 up and he locked it all up, and she was really, 1768 01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:16.159 you know, hysterical, but she could have been crushed, you know, 1769 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.359 And I was like, Okay, I'll tell you what, leave 1770 01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:21.920 the door locked. I'm off tomorrow. When I get home, 1771 01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:24.680 I'll reset the whole thing. You know, we'll set it 1772 01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:26.880 all up. I'll put it back in and reset it 1773 01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:30.000 and make sure all the tracks set. Everything is okay. 1774 01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:38.520 And then I started thinking, this creature went to my backyard. 1775 01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:42.000 He went on my back deck, and he tried to 1776 01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:45.520 pop the door off of the out of the track. 1777 01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:48.760 I guess, just to show me how easy it is 1778 01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:51.680 if you wanted to get in, you know. I mean, 1779 01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:55.000 it's something as big as this creature was could have 1780 01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:58.439 just ran through the sliding glass door if I wanted to, 1781 01:40:59.039 --> 01:41:01.520 or pull the whole door out of the frame. But 1782 01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:06.000 it felt like that he was trying to pop that 1783 01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:10.079 door out of its tracks, just to show how easy 1784 01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:14.199 it is to get in. I don't know how drifted 1785 01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:16.880 creature like that would even know how to do something 1786 01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:20.600 like that, you know, but it knew because there's no other, 1787 01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:24.279 no other reason that door came out of the tracks 1788 01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:27.159 the way it did. Un Let someone try to, you know, 1789 01:41:27.439 --> 01:41:29.960 knock it out. And that was the only thing that 1790 01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:33.199 happened that night, you know. So when I went home 1791 01:41:34.680 --> 01:41:37.399 the next day, I said, the thing and I said, Okay, 1792 01:41:37.399 --> 01:41:40.880 now I got to go back to where the den was, 1793 01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:43.199 you know. And I went back to where the den was, 1794 01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:46.640 and I, you know, like a maniac in the middle 1795 01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:49.960 of the woods. I'm saying, listen, I know where you live, 1796 01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:53.960 you know where I live. You stay in your house 1797 01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:57.319 and I'll stay in mine, and everything will be fine. 1798 01:41:58.039 --> 01:41:59.880 But I really don't want to have to go to 1799 01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:04.239 war with you. But if you come back to my property, 1800 01:42:04.479 --> 01:42:08.279 there will be hell to pay, you know. And you 1801 01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:13.359 know it's just I mean, I don't live that far 1802 01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:18.560 from the location, Okay. I live maybe twenty miles, not 1803 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:22.239 even fifteen miles from the location of the den. And 1804 01:42:22.319 --> 01:42:27.000 from that location to my house, you can get here 1805 01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:32.199 just going through the woods and maybe crossing over a 1806 01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:34.800 one or two lane road here and there, like in 1807 01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:37.279 a neighborhood. Now, like I said, none of them have 1808 01:42:37.359 --> 01:42:40.760 any lights on them. So if it's just walking through 1809 01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:43.880 the woods through the neighborhoods, no one is going to 1810 01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:46.720 see it unless somebody is driving up the street, you know. 1811 01:42:47.399 --> 01:42:50.439 And it's it's not unthinkable that it could do that 1812 01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:53.479 and then go back to where it came from without 1813 01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:56.960 being seen. And I have one hundred acres of witch 1814 01:42:57.000 --> 01:42:59.520 behind my house, and I have one hundred acre as 1815 01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:01.760 a wet land and across the streets from my house, 1816 01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:04.960 you know, so there are plenty of woods around me, 1817 01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:08.960 and it would be very easy for this preacher to 1818 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:13.960 do something like that. And I mean, the thought of, 1819 01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:17.920 you know, a dog man ever coming to my house 1820 01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:21.920 never crossed my mind, you know what I mean. Like, 1821 01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:24.960 like I said in the beginning, I've had sasquatch come 1822 01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:28.000 here and leave big gifts quartz, crystal stones and stuff 1823 01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:31.279 like that. But I've seen here the sasquatches go through 1824 01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:34.680 because they go from the swamp to my backyard. Because 1825 01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:39.840 this whole development at one time was apple orchards, and 1826 01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:43.039 there are still apple watches and trees in the woods. 1827 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:45.520 You know, they're built up around them. As a matter 1828 01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:47.600 of fact, there's even a road that goes up that 1829 01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:52.279 they used to use to go pick the apples, you know. So, 1830 01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:55.000 so if the sasquatch are coming through to get apples 1831 01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:57.920 and going to swamp to hunt, you know, I don't 1832 01:43:57.960 --> 01:44:00.920 necessarily think the dog men are doing the same thing. 1833 01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:04.840 I think that particular dog man was there for me 1834 01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:08.439 and just to let me know that he knew where 1835 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.520 I lived, and he just wanted to show me how 1836 01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:14.479 easy it would it would be to get into my 1837 01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:18.800 house if we wanted to, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean, 1838 01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:22.239 I mean, and that's basically that's like the short the 1839 01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:25.800 short version, you know, of a long story. But I mean, 1840 01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:30.680 it's crazy. It's just, you know, to think about cryptid 1841 01:44:30.680 --> 01:44:34.560 and creature like that just coming to your house to 1842 01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:38.000 to like, even when it put the claw marks on 1843 01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:41.199 the dirt, it did it to let me know that 1844 01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:42.479 it was there. You know. 1845 01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:45.239 Actually I have some questions about that. 1846 01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:46.720 Go ahead, go ahead. 1847 01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:49.680 You mentioned it was like three am and left three marks. 1848 01:44:49.920 --> 01:44:54.760 And I've often heard other accounts for people say these 1849 01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:56.680 things come to them, like it's come to their house, 1850 01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.359 it looks through their windows at them. And I've heard 1851 01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:01.079 one and I don't know where I listened to it at, 1852 01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:04.079 but the guy said it spoke to him, but it 1853 01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:06.319 almost spoke to him like telepathically, and they kept saying 1854 01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:12.199 let me in and to me. Recently, I've started digging 1855 01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:16.399 into things, the whole let me in the thing of three. 1856 01:45:16.439 --> 01:45:19.760 It's like walking the Holy Trinity. It almost sounds like 1857 01:45:19.840 --> 01:45:22.159 demonic to an extent, like it's asking you to let 1858 01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:24.119 it in, like it seems like a demon would like 1859 01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:25.840 let me in. You have to invite the demon in. 1860 01:45:25.920 --> 01:45:28.079 It almost has like a vampire lore to it as well, 1861 01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:30.800 like they had to invite the vampires in. Have you 1862 01:45:30.840 --> 01:45:32.119 heard anything like that before. 1863 01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:37.039 Yeah. I think there's a lot of miss identification with 1864 01:45:37.159 --> 01:45:42.079 these creatures. I think there are just one man's opinion. 1865 01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:45.960 I think there are there are a couple of different kinds. 1866 01:45:46.119 --> 01:45:51.680 I think there are the demons that represented shell themselves 1867 01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:54.000 to you as a dog man, because say, no, this 1868 01:45:54.159 --> 01:45:57.439 particular creature scans the crap out of you, you know 1869 01:45:57.479 --> 01:46:00.520 what I mean. So I think and I think the 1870 01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:06.159 demons are these entities, these demonic entities. These are the 1871 01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:08.880 ones that people say when they say, I've seen the 1872 01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:11.479 dogmen in my house. It just popped into my house. 1873 01:46:11.560 --> 01:46:14.479 You know. I don't think it's actually a real, you know, 1874 01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:16.880 flesh of blood dog man. I think it's a demon, 1875 01:46:17.239 --> 01:46:21.039 and I think it'll show itself to you in whatever 1876 01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:26.800 scres you the most. Then you have the interdimensional ones, 1877 01:46:27.279 --> 01:46:32.000 the ones that people shoot and they track them. There's 1878 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:34.159 a blood trail. They track them, They track them and 1879 01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:36.760 they track them, and then the blood trail ends and 1880 01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:39.520 the creature is nowhere to be found. And I think 1881 01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:45.159 I've spoken to enough world renowned psychics. Whenever I do, 1882 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:47.840 said posy. If I get put at a table with 1883 01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:51.600 a world renowned psychic, I always have to pick their brain. 1884 01:46:52.079 --> 01:46:54.800 And the one question I asked all of them is 1885 01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:58.720 where do these dog man creatures come from? And they 1886 01:46:58.760 --> 01:47:02.880 all tell me the same thing, that there is a 1887 01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:06.359 breed of a dog man that's flesh and blood that's here, 1888 01:47:06.439 --> 01:47:11.000 like the sasquatch, but there's also a breed that's interdimensional. 1889 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:14.000 It comes in and out of our dimension to hunts 1890 01:47:14.359 --> 01:47:17.199 because the word got so much abundant food here, you know. 1891 01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:21.960 And sometimes they stay here, sometimes they go back, and 1892 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:28.000 then you have this breed that goes back to antiguity. 1893 01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:28.159 You know what I mean. 1894 01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:32.079 These dog man creatures go back to antiguity. And these creatures, 1895 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:39.119 these are are flesh and blood creatures and can be killed. 1896 01:47:39.159 --> 01:47:41.760 And I've known a couple of different people who have 1897 01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:45.399 killed them, you know, shot them and killed them and 1898 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:49.319 burnt them and buried them, and you know, so I 1899 01:47:49.359 --> 01:47:54.720 think we're dealing with more than one one creatures in itself, 1900 01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:59.399 you know. And I don't know if the voice I 1901 01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:03.079 heard going to the kitchen that day with the shakun 1902 01:48:03.159 --> 01:48:06.520 that morning that said, stop, you don't want to see 1903 01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:09.840 what's out there, go back to bed. Was the dog 1904 01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:15.840 man talking to me telepathically, or my guardian angel will say, dude, 1905 01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:19.520 let this one go, you know what I mean. I 1906 01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:23.000 honestly couldn't tell you what it was, but I hear 1907 01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:26.399 I get voices like that all the time that'll say, 1908 01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:30.039 you know, don't go here, go this way, or touch 1909 01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:33.239 this wolves and see what images you get in your 1910 01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:36.319 mind's eye, you know what I mean. So I don't 1911 01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:40.199 necessarily believe that that dog man was talking to me telepathic. 1912 01:48:40.720 --> 01:48:45.399 I do believe they can talk to us telepathically if 1913 01:48:45.439 --> 01:48:49.199 they want to, But I don't think it was I 1914 01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:53.159 think it was my guardian angel that was telling me 1915 01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:55.680 you don't want to see what's out on that deck, 1916 01:48:55.800 --> 01:48:57.560 you know what I mean, or out in your yard. 1917 01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:01.560 It's just it was just freaking because I'm probably would 1918 01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:05.000 have started shooting right away, went to shotgun, you know, 1919 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:07.199 if I seen what was out there. So you know, 1920 01:49:08.439 --> 01:49:12.640 I'm glad I didn't. And for me to just turn 1921 01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:14.680 around and go back to bed and go to sleep 1922 01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:18.880 is so against every fiver of my being. You know, 1923 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:22.640 I'm not that guy that turns the blind's eye to shit. 1924 01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:25.680 I'm that guy that runs towards trouble to see if 1925 01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:29.000 I can, you know, either help somebody or save somebody, 1926 01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:33.520 you know. So even that day, when I was walking 1927 01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:35.840 towards it, and I had that nice in my hand, 1928 01:49:35.880 --> 01:49:38.479 you know, like as I was getting closer, I heard 1929 01:49:38.520 --> 01:49:40.399 the voice that you should open that nice and I 1930 01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:43.680 slipped it open. You should get that pepper can spray ready. 1931 01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:46.199 And then when I got really really close, I heard 1932 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:49.600 that voice say you should stop right about here. And 1933 01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:55.560 Becca's if this thing wanted to. It was seven feet tall, 1934 01:49:55.640 --> 01:49:58.720 hunched over. I'm sure if it wanted to, he could 1935 01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:02.239 have just reached out, and once White caught me in half, 1936 01:50:02.359 --> 01:50:04.720 you know what I mean. I before, I never had 1937 01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:07.279 a chance and got sit with a pocket knife and 1938 01:50:07.279 --> 01:50:10.520 a catapepsy, you know, but that's all I had on 1939 01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:12.199 me at the time. So that's what I you know, 1940 01:50:12.359 --> 01:50:16.399 was going to defend myself with. But yeah, no, I mean, 1941 01:50:16.439 --> 01:50:20.399 it's just it's crazy to think that these things will 1942 01:50:20.439 --> 01:50:23.720 follow you home. And you know, ever since I had 1943 01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:28.840 my very very first sighting of a dog man. It's 1944 01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:33.319 like we've been late, and you know, the first one 1945 01:50:33.399 --> 01:50:35.520 led to the second one, led to the third one, 1946 01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:37.640 which led to the fourth ones, lent in the fifth one, 1947 01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:39.800 which led to the sixth one. You know what I mean. 1948 01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:41.960 And it's just it's just. 1949 01:50:44.439 --> 01:50:48.920 Brazy. Yeah, why do you think that there's so much 1950 01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:52.039 trouble to actually prove their existence? Like you don't ever 1951 01:50:52.079 --> 01:50:54.840 see any credible evidence from anyone, Like we've seen them. 1952 01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.439 People have seen them. I went to some people take pictures. 1953 01:50:57.880 --> 01:50:59.640 I've had people send me pictures, but a lot of 1954 01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:03.560 them will play trees. I can't I can't make out 1955 01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:05.359 like a lot of it's a dog man's like it 1956 01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:07.000 looks like a bush. 1957 01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:10.000 Like yeah, no, Look, I went to school for photography, 1958 01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:13.279 graduated from the Center of Media Arts in Manhattan, and 1959 01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:17.079 I get a lot of a lot of paradolia photographs. 1960 01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:20.399 And everybody thinks they got the smoking gun and when 1961 01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:23.039 and you tell them, you know this this shadow and 1962 01:51:23.159 --> 01:51:25.880 you know light and shadow play on a tree, but 1963 01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:28.680 that's a tree bark. And yet everybody gets spent out 1964 01:51:28.680 --> 01:51:32.319 of shape. I don't take any more photos anymore. Tide 1965 01:51:32.319 --> 01:51:35.359 to fight with people. Uh, I've had I've bet attacked 1966 01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:40.119 a million times over my photo dissection of photos. I mean, 1967 01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:43.000 I know, as an ex photographer, I know when I'm 1968 01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:45.600 looking at a picture, I know what I'm looking at, 1969 01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:49.600 and I know what to look for. And with it's 1970 01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:53.199 hot enough, with thirty five millimeter film, that is, you know, 1971 01:51:53.439 --> 01:51:57.159 perfectly clear all the way through. But when you're playing 1972 01:51:57.199 --> 01:52:00.119 with this digital stuff and all these digital art, the 1973 01:52:00.199 --> 01:52:03.239 facts and everything else, it gets so muddy. The water 1974 01:52:03.279 --> 01:52:08.199 gets so muddy. Ninety I would say seventy five percent 1975 01:52:08.239 --> 01:52:11.359 of the stuff I have never makes it to any 1976 01:52:11.399 --> 01:52:14.680 in my sights because I have a very high standard 1977 01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:18.039 of you know what I mean, photos and stuff like that. 1978 01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:20.079 I'm not going to put anything out there that looks 1979 01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:24.039 like a blob, squatch or a paradilia. I'm just not 1980 01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:29.279 going to do it. I'm not. And nowadays everybody thinks 1981 01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:32.319 they got the everybody sees stuff. I mean, I'm get 1982 01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:35.920 pictures where a guy walks out there front door, turns 1983 01:52:35.960 --> 01:52:38.079 their back to the front of the house, take pictures 1984 01:52:38.079 --> 01:52:41.039 of the woods behind him and then circles twenty things 1985 01:52:41.039 --> 01:52:42.960 in the tree. And since they're all dog man, you 1986 01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:46.000 know what I mean, No, there's not twenty dog men 1987 01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:48.119 sitting in the tree at cross the tree from your house, 1988 01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:49.600 waiting for you to come out. 1989 01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:50.600 It's just it. 1990 01:52:50.520 --> 01:52:54.319 Doesn't work that way, you know. Yeah, it just doesn't. 1991 01:52:54.439 --> 01:52:58.119 But you can't tell anybody anything, so you know, I 1992 01:52:58.239 --> 01:53:02.159 keep it to myself now, but you know it's ridiculous. Yeah. 1993 01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:05.800 I mean, like I said, I got I got two photos, 1994 01:53:06.039 --> 01:53:08.920 one of the dog man that bluff charged us, okay, 1995 01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:11.640 And I didn't even see it in the photo. As 1996 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:14.520 a photographer, because there's so much going on in a photo, 1997 01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:18.479 I didn't see it. Somebody from California called me up 1998 01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:21.079 and said, we put it. We put it all the 1999 01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:24.720 evidence on YouTube and Facebook raw. And someone called me 2000 01:53:24.800 --> 01:53:26.880 up and says, you know that photo you got of 2001 01:53:26.920 --> 01:53:30.039 that little wall. And I said, yeah, well there's a 2002 01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:32.319 dog being behind that wall. I said, okay, send me 2003 01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:34.800 the photo. He sends it to me. I look at 2004 01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:37.359 it right away. I think it's photo shop. I take 2005 01:53:37.439 --> 01:53:39.760 my Stek card out of my camera, put it into 2006 01:53:39.800 --> 01:53:43.359 the computer, and sure, shit, it's there. There's eight guys 2007 01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:45.800 on the team and we're looking at this stuff on 2008 01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:48.720 the sixty inch television and nobody noticed the dog man 2009 01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:51.840 behind the wall looking at us because there's so much 2010 01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:54.640 going on in the photo, you know. And then the 2011 01:53:54.680 --> 01:53:57.920 same guy again, the same guy reaches out to me 2012 01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:00.319 like a week later and says, you know that those 2013 01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:02.399 you guys in the meadow with like those hundreds of 2014 01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:05.760 orbs all around you, And I'm like yeah. He said, well, 2015 01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:09.760 if you look in the shadows behind the light at 2016 01:54:09.760 --> 01:54:12.760 the bottom of the picture, underneath a little red maple, 2017 01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:16.159 there's a sasquash looking at you. And I started laughing. 2018 01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:19.359 I'm like, send me the photo. Sends it to me again. 2019 01:54:19.439 --> 01:54:22.800 I think it's photoshop. I go to my camera, take 2020 01:54:22.840 --> 01:54:25.720 out the chip, put it in the computer, and shorter. Shit, 2021 01:54:25.840 --> 01:54:29.920 there's a bigfoot right there looking at us. And I 2022 01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:33.439 don't know if it was there for us, if it 2023 01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:36.119 was there for all the orbs we had going on 2024 01:54:36.199 --> 01:54:38.720 around us, or if it was there to make sure 2025 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.560 the dog men had bluff charges that night didn't come back. 2026 01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:44.720 I couldn't tell you for sure. I think it was 2027 01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:46.520 there for the dog men, to be honest with you, 2028 01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:49.880 because the night we got bluff charge, we didn't know 2029 01:54:49.960 --> 01:54:53.279 we were by a den, you know, we weren't there 2030 01:54:53.479 --> 01:54:57.640 for the dog man. Then I had found three quartz 2031 01:54:57.640 --> 01:55:01.600 crystal stones set up in a pyramid shape, and we 2032 01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:05.760 were there to do experiments in the woods on those 2033 01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:08.920 quartz crystals, and the den just happened to be behind us. 2034 01:55:09.159 --> 01:55:11.720 But you know, with the cattails being twelve feet high, 2035 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:14.159 you can't see the den. We didn't know it was there, 2036 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:16.439 you know. And we had a big foo come up 2037 01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:20.399 at and we'll bat us three times and then throw 2038 01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:22.439 a rock at us the sides of a bowl and 2039 01:55:22.520 --> 01:55:25.680 bull trying to get us out of that location because 2040 01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:28.119 it was we were in a danger zone. But me 2041 01:55:28.279 --> 01:55:31.520 being me, I wasn't ready to leave because I just 2042 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:34.520 felt like there was more to come, you know. And 2043 01:55:34.600 --> 01:55:37.680 I'm glad I didn't leave because we did experience the 2044 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:41.199 bluff charge and everything else. But I mean, so I 2045 01:55:41.239 --> 01:55:43.640 think that that bigfoot was there just to make sure 2046 01:55:43.680 --> 01:55:46.600 that the dogman didn't come into the meadow or follow us, 2047 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:48.680 because we went from one side of the woods, which 2048 01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:51.119 is like the dog man's side, to the other side, 2049 01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:53.239 which is the big foot side, And I guess he 2050 01:55:53.359 --> 01:55:56.479 was just making sure that the bigger of the two 2051 01:55:56.640 --> 01:55:59.439 dog men, the one with the giant canine head, didn't 2052 01:55:59.439 --> 01:56:01.399 come over it of their side of the woods, you know. 2053 01:56:01.439 --> 01:56:04.880 What I mean. So it was crazy. I mean, and 2054 01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:08.359 as you know, and to think that, you know, eight 2055 01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:11.760 guys on the team were all experienced investigators. We're looking 2056 01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:14.840 at this stuff on a sixty inch TV and nobody 2057 01:56:14.920 --> 01:56:18.880 noticed it because it's in the shadows, just pass where 2058 01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:23.159 the light of the cameras could reach, you know, just crazy, 2059 01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:26.000 crazy stuff. And that's it too. Those are the only 2060 01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:28.439 two that I'll ever show anybody. I mean, I have 2061 01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:31.520 one more of a big guy Bigfoot up on the 2062 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:34.279 up on the hill, you know, behind a but behind 2063 01:56:34.319 --> 01:56:36.520 like a bunch of leans. I could see his outline. 2064 01:56:37.199 --> 01:56:40.600 But as far as the photographs, those two, in all 2065 01:56:40.600 --> 01:56:43.640 the years I've been doing this, those two, those are 2066 01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:45.840 the only two I show. So don't send me a 2067 01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:50.039 picture of you a selfie taking pictures of you and 2068 01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:52.720 circle thirteen things in a tree and tell me they're 2069 01:56:52.760 --> 01:56:56.840 all dog men or Bigfoot, because I'm telling you you're delusional. 2070 01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:59.600 It's not and it just doesn't happen that way, you know. 2071 01:57:00.119 --> 01:57:02.159 That's how I feel. I just don't say it to people. 2072 01:57:02.199 --> 01:57:05.159 I was like, I think it's paradolia because I don't 2073 01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:10.119 see anything in these photos. I see blobs, I see leaves, 2074 01:57:10.159 --> 01:57:14.479 I see tree trunks. I'm not saying that they're not 2075 01:57:14.520 --> 01:57:16.520 seeing what they think they're seeing. And I don't see 2076 01:57:16.520 --> 01:57:17.159 what they're seeing. 2077 01:57:18.079 --> 01:57:24.000 No, I look, and our brain is wired to see faces. 2078 01:57:24.119 --> 01:57:26.239 And just about everything you see the commercial where they 2079 01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:29.920 show the sink, the fire hydrant and all of these 2080 01:57:29.920 --> 01:57:31.600 things look like a face, you know, And that's how 2081 01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:34.159 our brain is hot wired. So if you're looking at 2082 01:57:34.159 --> 01:57:38.760 a photo that's super pixelated, right because you're blowing it 2083 01:57:38.840 --> 01:57:42.600 up it and you can, your brain will make faces 2084 01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:45.279 in that photo, you know. And if you have dog 2085 01:57:45.359 --> 01:57:48.199 being on your mind, you'll see faces with a snow, 2086 01:57:48.720 --> 01:57:51.199 if you have bigfoot on your mind, you'll see face 2087 01:57:51.319 --> 01:57:54.479 You'll see faces with conical heads. You know what I mean, 2088 01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:57.279 because that's what your brain is hot wired to see. 2089 01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:02.239 But it's not there. It's not there. It's pixilation, it's 2090 01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:07.159 it's a blob squatch, it's shadow and light. And but 2091 01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:09.680 you can't tell these people anything. So I you know, 2092 01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:12.359 I don't fight with anybody, you know, if that's what 2093 01:58:12.399 --> 01:58:15.439 you think you're seeing, and more power to you. But 2094 01:58:16.359 --> 01:58:17.319 I'm not saying it. 2095 01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:21.520 Yeah, I'll tell you about my encounter off air. I 2096 01:58:21.560 --> 01:58:27.119 don't want to do it on here. Okay, but yeah, 2097 01:58:27.199 --> 01:58:32.520 that's a mine's a little different from most people's. Okay, 2098 01:58:32.720 --> 01:58:36.479 but I think we could probably wrap this up. I 2099 01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:39.000 do want to I want, Like I said, I kept 2100 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:42.159 it short. I definitely appreciate you coming on here talking 2101 01:58:42.159 --> 01:58:44.000 with me. It's been my pleasure. 2102 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:47.560 Oh no, absolutely, yeah, it's all It's all my pleasure. 2103 01:58:47.560 --> 01:58:50.720 Believe me, it's my pleasure anytime someone reaches out to 2104 01:58:50.760 --> 01:58:53.840 me to do an interview. I don't care if you 2105 01:58:53.960 --> 01:58:57.800 have one follow or a million followers. If you ask 2106 01:58:57.880 --> 01:59:00.640 me to come on and I can my skin allows 2107 01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:03.000 me to do it, I will come on because I'm 2108 01:59:03.039 --> 01:59:04.399 honored and I was asked. 2109 01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:08.560 Yeah, that's lately people been asking me to come on 2110 01:59:08.600 --> 01:59:11.319 their shows to uh talk about my experience. I was 2111 01:59:11.359 --> 01:59:14.560 on VIC show a couple of months ago, and now 2112 01:59:14.600 --> 01:59:16.760 I've just been getting like, I think I have like 2113 01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:18.800 five or six interviews in the next couple of weeks 2114 01:59:18.800 --> 01:59:20.399 of me going on to other people's shows. And I've 2115 01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:23.000 had a couple of one the last week. So this 2116 01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:24.600 is weird for me because I'm usually the one doing 2117 01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:26.479 the interview. I'm not the one being interviewed. 2118 01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:29.960 But yeah, I used to be a podcaster, and I 2119 01:59:30.119 --> 01:59:34.520 hated it, to be honest with you, because I spent 2120 01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:38.800 so much time doing research on the guest for the show, 2121 01:59:39.239 --> 01:59:42.199 because I wanted the show to go off without a hitch, 2122 01:59:42.840 --> 01:59:45.119 and I wanted there was three. There was three of us. 2123 01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:46.560 It was me and my friend and Brian and our 2124 01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:51.520 team Psychic, And you know, Brian was a tech guy. 2125 01:59:51.600 --> 01:59:53.760 That Psychic just did what the psychics did, and I 2126 01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:56.479 did all I got the guests, and I did all 2127 01:59:56.479 --> 01:59:58.600 the all the research on the guests and everything else. 2128 01:59:58.680 --> 02:00:01.399 And I was just spending so much time on the 2129 02:00:01.439 --> 02:00:04.520 show that I wasn't getting out into the woods anymore 2130 02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:08.600 or investigating. And I'm happiest when I'm out in the 2131 02:00:08.640 --> 02:00:13.600 field investigating, doesn't matter what I'm investigating, whether it's ghost, aliens, 2132 02:00:13.680 --> 02:00:17.199 or cryptids. I hiked to be out there, Like I 2133 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:22.079 just went out less Friday night, Friday at thirteenth, it 2134 02:00:22.199 --> 02:00:25.359 was one percent of the moon. It was Friday at thirteenth. 2135 02:00:25.439 --> 02:00:28.600 I was at a place of high strangeness and it 2136 02:00:28.720 --> 02:00:33.680 was crazy. Okay, I'm going back out on the twenty eighth, 2137 02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:36.600 because the twenty eighth is a full moon. The all 2138 02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:39.000 the total opposite of the one percent of the moon 2139 02:00:39.439 --> 02:00:43.439 and I'm doing I want to see how the energy 2140 02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:46.640 is different from one percent of the moon compared to 2141 02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:49.960 a full moon, you know what I mean. So I'm 2142 02:00:50.000 --> 02:00:52.800 going back out and I'm psyched about that, and that's 2143 02:00:52.840 --> 02:00:55.079 why I'm happy. I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, 2144 02:00:55.159 --> 02:00:58.239 it's it's I'm carrying a fifty pounds bag big on 2145 02:00:58.319 --> 02:01:01.039 my back. I'm hiking for them into the woods, four 2146 02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:03.600 miles out in the middle of the night. But I 2147 02:01:03.640 --> 02:01:06.119 know it sounds crazy, but that's what I'm at the 2148 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:07.760 I'm I happy for a place. 2149 02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:12.880 Yeah. Oh, I I don't go out into the woods. 2150 02:01:12.880 --> 02:01:17.119 I never really did, and anymore, I've said, whatever happened 2151 02:01:17.119 --> 02:01:19.119 to me never really impacted me. But I've thought about 2152 02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:22.239 this after I've said this, I kind of did because 2153 02:01:22.800 --> 02:01:24.279 I don't think I've ever been camping out in the 2154 02:01:24.279 --> 02:01:26.399 woods ever since then, and this was back in two 2155 02:01:26.439 --> 02:01:29.439 thousand and seven, like I nowiously don't do that stuff 2156 02:01:29.479 --> 02:01:30.439 without thinking about it. 2157 02:01:31.079 --> 02:01:36.560 I know, guys that we've had some really scary experiences 2158 02:01:36.600 --> 02:01:39.039 in the woods, Like you know, if you really sat 2159 02:01:39.079 --> 02:01:40.800 down and think about it, we could have died a 2160 02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:44.359 couple of times, you know. And when they send back 2161 02:01:44.359 --> 02:01:46.880 and think about it. Yeah, it won't go out in 2162 02:01:46.920 --> 02:01:49.319 the woods anymore at night. They'll go during the day, 2163 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:51.359 but they won't go at night. And then I've had 2164 02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:57.159 guys who I've had a couple of attachments on paranormal investigations, 2165 02:01:57.199 --> 02:02:01.479 nothing dark or negative, but just something that attached to 2166 02:02:01.520 --> 02:02:04.439 me a couple of times, and they've seen that that 2167 02:02:04.479 --> 02:02:07.560 I've had a and when I leave, the attachment comes off. 2168 02:02:08.119 --> 02:02:10.560 But I've had guys that say, you know what, I'm 2169 02:02:10.600 --> 02:02:12.640 done with that ghost hunting stuff because I don't want 2170 02:02:12.640 --> 02:02:15.199 to bring anything oh, you know as well, And I 2171 02:02:15.239 --> 02:02:18.039 get it. I totally look. I understand both ends of 2172 02:02:18.119 --> 02:02:20.399 the spectrum. You don't want to bring anything dark and 2173 02:02:20.479 --> 02:02:24.640 negative home, because I've had friends who've gone squatching and 2174 02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:27.159 brought dark stuff home that they call me and then 2175 02:02:27.199 --> 02:02:29.399 I have to call other people to go there to 2176 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:32.319 cleanse their house, you know what I mean, because there's 2177 02:02:32.359 --> 02:02:35.520 something dark and negative in it. And I know people 2178 02:02:35.640 --> 02:02:38.479 like I said, we've could have died a couple of 2179 02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:40.920 times for sure, or we could have died. You know, 2180 02:02:41.479 --> 02:02:44.039 I probably could have died every time I've gone out, 2181 02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:46.439 you know, but for sure there was two times that 2182 02:02:46.600 --> 02:02:50.560 was really scary. And again with the ghost hunting stuff. 2183 02:02:50.600 --> 02:02:54.279 You know, people do get attachments and some people get 2184 02:02:54.439 --> 02:02:57.479 dark stuff, you know, and it's and they live with 2185 02:02:57.600 --> 02:02:59.960 it for years or they can't get rid of it, 2186 02:03:00.279 --> 02:03:03.920 you know, and it takes a special somebody to get 2187 02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:06.399 that stuff off of them. So I get it when 2188 02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:09.800 guys say, you know, I love I'll do this. I'll 2189 02:03:09.840 --> 02:03:12.439 do aliens, but I won't do ghosts. Or I'll do 2190 02:03:13.039 --> 02:03:15.680 I'll do big flip, but I won't do aliens. You know, 2191 02:03:16.079 --> 02:03:18.800 Vice Varsity and outstyle. I get it. 2192 02:03:19.760 --> 02:03:24.159 I I go into the rabbit hole on all sorts 2193 02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:26.239 of topics. So I'm kind of exposed a lot about 2194 02:03:26.279 --> 02:03:29.920 these days. But again I want to say thanks for 2195 02:03:30.119 --> 02:03:31.960 coming on here and talking with me. It's been a pleasure. 2196 02:03:33.039 --> 02:03:36.680 Again, pleasure was online, Brandon. Anytime, anytime you want to 2197 02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:38.840 go down the rabbit hole with me, you let me know. 2198 02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:43.560 Yeah, I definitely will. I enjoy having these discussions. You 2199 02:03:43.600 --> 02:03:46.960 want to let everyone know one more time where then 2200 02:03:47.000 --> 02:03:48.800 get ahold of you and everything else that you've been 2201 02:03:48.880 --> 02:03:49.079 up to. 2202 02:03:50.239 --> 02:03:53.159 Yeah, you can. You can find me on Facebook. It's 2203 02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:56.079 the place to find me. The Bronx Fel Paranormal Society, 2204 02:03:56.760 --> 02:04:00.399 the New York State UFO Project, the North America Dog 2205 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:03.319 we have Project, New York State Chapter, the New York 2206 02:04:03.319 --> 02:04:05.720 State Dog we have project and the New York State 2207 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:09.279 Sasquash Our Organization. I'm the founder of all in Els 2208 02:04:09.319 --> 02:04:11.479 and you could or you could just reach out to 2209 02:04:11.479 --> 02:04:14.760 me personally, Al Santa Riga. I'd go by the squash 2210 02:04:14.800 --> 02:04:18.279 Father these days, I was labeled to squatch Father and 2211 02:04:18.319 --> 02:04:19.720 it kind of just nuck. 2212 02:04:20.680 --> 02:04:24.039 Yeah, all righty well, I think we're going to roll 2213 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:26.159 on out of here. So again, thank you very much, 2214 02:04:26.840 --> 02:04:35.319 thank you. 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