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and academics, they don't mention the fact that none of

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those atheist scholars and.

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Speaker 2: Academics believe in the Quran.

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Speaker 1: So it's like they only will utilize this argument to attack,

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you know, Christianity. They totally ignore all the same scholars

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talking about how silly the Kuronic narratives and the how

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deeds are. But so they just latch onto whatever's out there.

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But no, I think the laws of Christianity are way

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more humanitarian, obviously than the traditional laws of Islam.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to make a couple of points on slavery,

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because there was a Protestant guy who said that one

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of the worst missed opportunities for the Council of Nicia

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is that they didn't ban slavery. Now, I don't know

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how we expected that to happen. Our Council of Bishops

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could ban slavery, they could put it forward or something,

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wasn't that maybe from the Roman Empire this was different,

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but for most of human history and most places which

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weren't highly highly developed. And then even there you don't

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get freed from slavery. And then you go and you know,

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start working in a shop. You know, I don't know,

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like never mind, I can't make a joke if I

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can't remember the name of a shop. But you don't

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start your own podcast. You don't start like making your

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own trinkets or something that is not an option, Which

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Mosaic Law that if you want to stay as a slave,

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you know, there's a process for it, you get your

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piersed and you know certain signs of it. Why because

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at least you would get food and shelter, which is

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not even a probability if you just go out on

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reference the woman in the woods during a wartime, the

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modern person who's oh, slavery bad Christianity falls. Do you

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think that woman in the woods is going to build

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a treehouse and have some sort of like weird only

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fans from the treehouse and she's gonna make her way

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in the world. No, the man will be like, no,

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your will, and I'm going to make a better life

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for you because I'm leading you, so continue pass right.

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that is why they say that the you're allowed sex

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with women you're married to, or what is ascribed as

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that which your right hand possesses, which is to say.

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Speaker 3: Which you're right, which one possess, right, So what is

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basically temporary marriage, so it's still considered marriage. Now the

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studies will tell you that this is a practice. But

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depends on whom you ask, but even is considered marriage,

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and therefore nika is permitted.

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what I mean is there's no such a I was

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have not yet known a man, And that is given

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only for specific campaigns, for specific peoples to be specifically

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punished for the most group tesque practices.

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that lineage in the in Divine Providence that again what's

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of the people to produce. It's not because they have

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better DNA or something magical DNA.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah.

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in the Old Testament period, that's the specific reasons why

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God ends the lineage of those groups. So, and it's

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the same principle with the flood as we've talked.

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Bible and no place allows the Jews or is realized

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to grape anyone. So the most saying that you can

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to stay with you or not.

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Speaker 5: And right if they decide to stay, they shave their head.

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suppose they would shave their head. You know, can't freely

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circumcize them. A bit difficult, Okay, if your Muslim you can,

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a woman. But that that shaving of the head represents

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like a new start, and if they refuse, you have

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to let them go, and you're forbidden from selling them

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the Israelites, a lot of them didn't follow these rules.

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archaeology tells us and you know, like what, just take

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the Old Testament, you know, and you know, go to

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a random page and put your finger somewhere, go five

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Speaker 3: Something about Israelites worshiping foreign gods. Right, and so the

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disobedience to the law doesn't mean that it's allowed. So

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corrected any other way. So that part is clear about

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it wasn't a free market economy. I guess in a

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sense it was because things weren't as interconnected. But there

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was no You would be some type of day laborer, right,

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Speaker 4: And free market listen doesn't. I hate to interrupt, but

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I don't want to do it. Gale spin into Islam

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and all that. Let's continue with this guy's dumb position.

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Speaker 5: You should get progressively closer to.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look at that. I mean looks like what's

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the movie with Ben ben Stiller where he's a model.

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Speaker 5: He looks offensively irish.

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Speaker 4: He is very irish. Yeah, he is.

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Speaker 7: The years from the going forth of the Order to

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rebuild Jerusalem to the coming of Messiah, so many of

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the thinkers down through history have played with these seventy

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weeks of Daniel, all of them, of course, envisioning that

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the seventy weeks expire with the advent of Messiah in

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the beginning of the work of Christ through his Church,

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and so on. Darby again brings a unique idea that

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the seventieth week is detached from the first sixty nine

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and thrust out somewhere in the future, and that seventieth

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least the general assessment is there is absolutely no exegetical

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justification for detaching the seventieth week from the first sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: But it yeah, he has to do that to make

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Speaker 5: And by the way, every time you hear how does

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unique take I should tell you everything you need to know.

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Speaker 7: Sixty nine does make SeeMe hang together better to view

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Speaker 4: So that's what he does.

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Speaker 7: The church is raptured out before the Tribulation. Now, this

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a church being raptured out in an ecstatic utterance from

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a young woman named Margaret MacDonald and one of his

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Speaker 4: Uh, Jake, why, I'm sorry you may have said this,

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: What was the why the last week?

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Speaker 1: Well, the last week is the one that's the where

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all the heavy crazy stuff happens. Oh, I'm let me

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Speaker 5: You want me to reader?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do it man, I'm open here.

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Speaker 2: So basically, it says.

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Speaker 1: All of the measure of the sins are going to

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be fulfilled and everything finished and determined within this period

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of seventy weeks, which is not it's four hundred and

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anoint the Holy One. You will know that there will

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of the word to rebuild Jerusalem. Now this is the

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that all of this is happening in this final seven

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You will know therefore and understand that from the going

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forth to build the Temple, to rebuild the Temple and

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rebuild Jerusalem, that Christ, the Messiah, the Prince. There will

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the final week. After these, the Anointed One will be

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the Prince who is coming, and they shall cut off

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city to desolation. But know this that he will make

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a covenant, and in the middle of that covenant, the

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and there will be an abomination of desolation in the

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temple and an end that is appointed. So basically we

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fulfills these things in that last week, that last seven

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then the destruction of the temple. It's all encapsulated under

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this last in other words, the First Coming. The First

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Speaker 4: Okay, so Jay, it sounds like it makes total sense

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you'd hold off on that week because if you stop

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you can keep waiting and waiting and have control over

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that final like basically any time between sixty nine weeks

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our arbitrary pause, so you can just keep manipulating real

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you hit pause, you could you'll never be wrong. You'll

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never be a wrong profit in a sense, right because

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the play deck there. So it's that seems very deliberate

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Speaker 8: Yeah, not only what you just forgot that.

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points out that a true temple was built the body

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of Christ during this time period. Seventy weeks is determined

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then our desercees commissions Ezra to rebuild the temple in

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four fifty eight PC. So yeah, it's a little confusing

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with the Weird Week's terminology, but that's.

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Speaker 5: What was going on, gotcha little style meetings.

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Speaker 7: You know, it was not developed by Edward Irving. He

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didn't work out in elaborate eschatology. But that kernel may

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have been the most important triggering idea in the whole

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thought of Darby, and he took that and ran with

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it a long way. And so it was this pre

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tribulation rapture that and since became the seed out of

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which so much of the rest of his sketalogy schematic

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was developed. So the church is not only raptured out

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before the millennium, actually before this tribulation period. Most of

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the Book of Revelation, according to Darby, is describing events

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in the future that occurred during this tribulation period. This

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is what's called the futurist view of revelation, that is

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describing events in the future. We've looked at the historicist

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view in some details. There's other views that were much

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less influential.

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Speaker 5: The preterist views.

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Speaker 7: These revelation largely describing events taking place in the first century,

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Darby becomes the most famous of the futurist approaches to Revelation.

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Speaker 4: Now I want to pause there. Futurists, is that like

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this view, that you contrive it and make it happen

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like an accelerationist view, or is futurist view in this

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context something a little bit different where it's just describing

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the chronology and not it's not a matter of contriving

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and trying to.

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Speaker 1: Make describing the preterism versus futurism. So basically there's three

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views on dating, and there's preditorist, historicist, and futurists. Creditist

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believes that much of the passages are fulfilled in seventy

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of E or before, and there might also be a

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future fulfillment. But historicists believes that, for example, the Book

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of Revelation is talking about the whole history of the Church.

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A lot of Protestant Reformers were famously historicists. Many Catholic

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Jesuit theologians have been historicists, and they kind of see

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like random sort of stuff like you'll see Roman Catholics say, oh,

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Revelation twelve, that was the Middle Ages when.

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Speaker 2: The blah blah blahor whatever.

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Speaker 1: They're just sort of assigned random church history stuff to

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the Book of Revelation, and then futurists.

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Speaker 2: Is this these people?

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Speaker 1: So all pre millennialists are futurists, but not all prim

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millinists are dispensationalists.

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Speaker 4: Gotcha?

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Speaker 7: During that time, a character is the Antichrist is going

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to dominate in the world. He comes in originally as

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a kind of champion of peace. He makes best any

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creations of the world, essentially putting himself in a position

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of worldwide prestige. He makes packs, including a pact with Israel.

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But then in the middle of this tribulation three and

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a half years in, he violates. He breaches that agreement,

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committing a sacrilegious act at a temple that of course

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has to be rebuilt before any of these could take place,

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years of horrific conditions in the world, culminating in a

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great battle describe or mentioned in Revelation sixteen called the

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Battle of Armageddon.

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Speaker 4: Now I want to just note, as we move into

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the modern cultural context of all this, is that the

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dispensationalist view allows for seeing someone like Donald Trump or

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anyone else in the arena as you can take the

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view that he's the evil one, and you could also

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take the view that he's the scent angelical one, and

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they're both have some they both have some elasticity to

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them if you hold this view. So that's what's kind

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of that's what you see in the meme world right.

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Posh mentioned the hat the mark of the Beast is

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make America great again. But then other people take the

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view that Donald Trump is in fact the Antichrist because

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he's gonna make a pact and he supports Israel, but

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then he's gonna you know, all this stuff. And it's

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just interesting that the elasticity that it gives you to

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hold this position, because to point out out again that

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sixty nine week pause button really allows for any sort

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of crafting and writing in between. Anything you want to

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add to that, because I just, you know it, all

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of these things he's saying, I can't help to be

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triggered into the morass of modern culture, geopolitics, and all

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the the takes that we're engaging with daily. So anything, or.

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Speaker 3: I would like to restate what I said earlier that

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it's great for them because you basically occupy both sides

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of the diectic. You can say, oh, Trump is the

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Antichrist because look at him.

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Speaker 5: He is a woman eyes. He has worked in.

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Speaker 3: Like New York real estate, so you can imagine, you know,

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there's been some ify things going on there, et cetera.

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But you can then have like religious leaders who stood

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by him. You know, God uses imperfect people just show

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his glory, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could do anything.

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And then you have like the Orthodox position is you

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pray for those who are leading the country right because

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they everyone needs prayer. We all need prayer, We all

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need mercy and grace. So you know, we don't know

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he could be, he could not be.

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Speaker 5: Not ours to calculate some suit of geometrio or whatever.

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Speaker 3: We we deal with what we have. You know, PRIs

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says you to pilot. You know, you wouldn't have this

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authority unless it was granted to you by my father.

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So we are granted certain predicaments and we are to

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endure them in the most Christian way we can. But

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that's not fun enough, you see. But it's this beauty

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of you know, holding both sides of the dialectic and

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then you know, run them through whichever side you'd like,

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depending on how you think of them. You know how

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many people have thought Obama was.

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Speaker 5: The anti of course.

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Speaker 3: There are still people hanging on to that thought. So

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you can't really reason with it because it's not not

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just motivated thinking, but it's even super objective motivated thinking,

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because it's not just objective, it's the word of God

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that says that. So it's even higher than objective truth.

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Speaker 5: Sure. And then like all the Anabaptists, like all like

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Jehovah's witnesses, you know, you're just all like climate change.

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You know, you just know it's ending. It's ending, and

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it doesn't end to just move on, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to point to the last three here,

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Posh and Jay, is that even what you just said

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kind of brings this up, is that the Antichrist from

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this dispensational view really reduces to not a spirit, a

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sort of proclivity to a rebellion, or something like a

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spirit of Antichrist versus a unique person with a name. Now,

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I want to reconcile this for the chat because it's

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interesting what would be the difference between a pre a

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dispensationalist view of Antichrist as a distinction versus an orthodox

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let's say, in this case, view of Antichrist, because because

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it seems to be they hold the comic book view

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where you have to reduce Antichrist to a very specific

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kind of person and it doesn't include the spirit of Antichrist.

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Now is that different?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 4: It seems like a good distinction to explore, right.

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Speaker 1: They focus, so they hyper focus on you know, that

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individual and his power or whatever. And you know, for us,

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the false prophet is just as important as well, because

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the false prophet is the leader of a false religion

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that promotes Antichrist. So both of those figures are really important.

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And you couldn't have Antichrist without the false prophet promoting

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the spirit of Antichrist, right, like a mimic Messiah and

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a mimic church and a memic Holy Spirit. So it's

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a it's an inverted kind of trinity basically.

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Speaker 4: Got you. But the from from a let's say, from

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an orthodox view, the spirit of Antichrist could exist and

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something we can use in reference without the personification in flesh.

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Speaker 2: Right, because it's already at work.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So that seems to be a distinct Christ.

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Speaker 2: Is anyone denying the incarnation?

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Speaker 5: And John many have already come right.

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Speaker 4: You know, so gravy gravy.

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Speaker 5: But but even people who go with like six sixty six.

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Speaker 3: Or six one six, are you know, which rendered Nero?

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You know, Uh, that's not to say Nero is some

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guy who is this ultimate eval. He is the the

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the archetype of the evil.

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Speaker 5: He is the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire.

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Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, there's another key indicator that only

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Orthodox have an insight into, because if in third Maccabee's

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chapter one, it mentions the fact that Ptolemy, who is

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a type of Antichrist, just like Nero, just like uh,

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these other rulers are polemy mandates that in order to

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buy or sell you have to take the mark of

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the ancient mysteries of Dionysius. So you have to get

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this leaf, tattoo or mark in order to buy or sell.

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And so when John talks about the mark to buy

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or sell, it's the same spirit Ptolemy had that now

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Nero's having, and presumably also will be the spirit used

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at the end. Whenever the end is, there will be

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some kind of attempt to control all economic transactions and

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so forth, food and so forth too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, an important to mention is that there's also saying

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that this is the church basically offers a counter to it.

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So it's not going to be a medical procedure. You know,

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your local priest isn't going to get the Holy Jabbies something,

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or you know, in Greece there was a whole mess

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a couple of decades ago with bar codes because they.

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Speaker 5: Said, oh, you need these lines to buy stuff.

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Speaker 3: Right, So you know, Orthodoxy isn't fully immune to nonsense

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because people really like flashy things. They like things that

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are easy to grasp and very they're like the immediacy

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of it, which is again wrong and unwise and should

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not be calculated by these pathetic means. But it's history

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plays out and if you're going to use certain like

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the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are Canaan ideities, you know,

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that's the image that is used to show it to

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people back in that day.

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Speaker 5: So like terminology is.

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Speaker 3: Used in certain ways, we need to maintain that usage that.

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This is why perron is so important. The proneum of

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the church is that you need to maintain the original

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meaning and take it on. And you know, if you

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need to change the word, change the word, that don't

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change the meaning, but keep the graphemes and the phonemes

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that that's pointless. And this is why this apocalypticism that's

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there's been prevalent for the last couple of centuries among

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certain strands of Protestantism are so powerful because it seems

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so correct, even though you've actually moved from the meanings

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of the words that are used and the symbols that

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are used.

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Speaker 5: So it bears no resemblance to the original.

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Speaker 3: You know, like yon mathis like rode out like with

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like a dozen people into thousands of soldiers and believed

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he would get victory.

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Speaker 5: Obviously loses. Does that stop his cult? No?

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Speaker 3: They because he was chopped up and his head put

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on a pike. I think his genitals were nailed to

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city gates or whatever.

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Speaker 5: But what does that make you?

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Speaker 4: So, why does that make you so happy?

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Speaker 3: I'm only too beers, I'm not too happy. But no,

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it's funny because you think it would.

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Speaker 5: Stop the cult. It doesn't.

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Speaker 3: They go and gather pieces of him into baskets and

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then wait for him to resurrect, right, so you would

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think that they would be, you know, somehow corrected by

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the events unfolding in front of them, but no it doesn't.

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They just recalibrate and.

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Speaker 4: Move on, Are you guys okay? Moving in Jay specifically geopolitics,

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modern implications effects of this shit view.

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Speaker 5: Just would you like to do that technical term for you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, shift for you well, because you know, because we're

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dealing with, you know, the Boomer I think the boomers

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are really the I don't want to call them victims

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because they did it to themselves, but they really kind

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of ran with this view and the ones that are

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left are still uh, proponents of the view, and they're

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they're in positions of power and what I'm if you

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guys are wondering what kind of like person I'm referring to,

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this is a good clip to kind of to sort

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of show you who I'm talking.

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Speaker 7: About, going down our country, going down Hell in a handbasket.

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Speaker 5: Nobody he'll hell.

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Speaker 1: Not the country we had.

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Speaker 4: Is That's that's the kind of spirit of it. And

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before we get into the geopolitics, Jay, just to demonstrate

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it with another video, kind of the kind of mess

475
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,400
that is produced by this view for people who don't

476
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even call themselves Christians. I think this is a fascinating clip.

477
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920
We can run off this and Jay and and Pasha.

478
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,440
You can take it where you will, but this is

479
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,799
I found this clip fascinating to really demonstrate the impact

480
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,400
of this view and how what it looks like and

481
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,680
the kind of confusion it creates.

482
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:07,359
Speaker 9: The Zionism is a just cause him Bloch, where is

483
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,119
a family?

484
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:13,279
Speaker 4: Is probably this they are this is what caused an

485
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:14,720
action from the Zionist people.

486
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, we lived in a house really yeah, yeah,

487
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400
we lived in a beautiful past and want to sleep people.

488
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,039
Speaker 5: The honest of the.

489
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:29,759
Speaker 10: It was there, Yeah, it was not.

490
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 5: They nothing. You don't live with me.

491
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: You're jealous.

492
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 8: You were a girl.

493
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:53,319
Speaker 5: Again to last world. They say that they believe in God.

494
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:55,799
So we're yelling again. I don't want you to doing

495
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:59,359
a girl all work and you're.

496
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 10: Going you move. You want to.

497
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:28,079
Speaker 4: Know, I'm cheers, know you're yours listening.

498
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:42,839
Speaker 10: Don't you.

499
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Speaker 11: Like she's just.

500
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:07,799
Speaker 4: To your monsters? Yeah yeah, he's got she's got the

501
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,000
little gay guy next to her.

502
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,559
Speaker 5: Oh yeah. But when I get in their faces and

503
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,640
shout you are Jewish? Why you like this? Then I'm

504
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,519
somehow you're terrible.

505
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah So so Jay and Posh, That image right there

506
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,559
really sort of demonstrates the sort of catastrophe in the

507
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,359
views collapsing in that that they don't even know what

508
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,519
it means to say Jewish, or they don't know what

509
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:33,400
it means to say support of Israel. It's all, it's

510
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,559
all completely ripped apart, and watching that view, it's partially

511
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:42,079
funny but also horrifying. I gotta say, I'm so happy

512
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,480
to be on track to be in the church because

513
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:49,119
it makes sense of all of this. You're not confused.

514
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,240
You look at this too. You could actually look at

515
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,200
that woman as a cultural New York Jew or wherever

516
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,119
she is, and she thinks Jewish is Jewish. And then

517
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,279
the Orthodoe, the ortho Bagels as I call them, They're like,

518
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,319
what are you talking about? Like we don't even agree

519
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,000
with you here. And then really what they're talking about

520
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:11,279
is this distinction, like they one side sold a fake

521
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,039
advertised Israel and what it means to be Jewish and

522
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,240
the other one holds a different view. And even though

523
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:22,640
we disagree with both of their overall worldviews, it really

524
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,240
does demonstrate I don't I don't know a better clip

525
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,160
that could sort of at least encapsulate the impact of

526
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,279
this view. Is that fair to say that what we

527
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680
just witnessed. Is is really just like an impact of

528
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,279
the destruction, like rubble, the rubble of the view.

529
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:42,519
Speaker 5: To stop.

530
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, okay, I've got the So the best

531
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,319
history on this, by the way, is there's a whole

532
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,480
five pages in Tragic Hope that's really good on the

533
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:55,960
British imperial structure.

534
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: What dude said, earth a low All right, sorry, I'm immature, Ortholos,

535
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Go ahead, no.

536
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: That I can just kind of summarize those stages when

537
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:09,440
when we're ready, if you want, but go ahead.

538
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,839
Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to mention how the whole idea of

539
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:23,680
genetic judaism is very important here because you that woman

540
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:28,799
doesn't look particularly practicing. But there's a great summary.

541
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 5: Of it says most believe there is no God, but

542
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:39,240
he gave them Israel. And then they go through.

543
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:46,079
Speaker 10: To show that I've even seen Ben Shapiro, you know,

544
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,079
beings about this on on on the debate stage when

545
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:54,559
he says, well, how can you say you have.

546
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 5: A right to Israel the land there? And he says

547
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,960
because of synagogues and I and then someone said, okay,

548
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:07,680
there are Native American you know, burial grounds in the US,

549
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,559
so why don't you leave, you know, so they can't

550
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,800
ever maintain this because there is no It's.

551
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,199
Speaker 3: Not meant to be coherent. It's just meant to be useful.

552
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,159
And when you see these Hasidics, who are you know,

553
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,639
they're wacky in their own ways. You have strands of Judaism.

554
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,960
Then believe, no, no, no, no no, God has to

555
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,159
give us the land. We can't do it ourselves. He

556
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,360
has to do it because that will prove that we

557
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,400
are ready for it. If we go ahead and usurp

558
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:43,880
the land. We have not shown ourselves, you know, clean enough,

559
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,679
obedient enough, which was sort of the Pharisaic view as well.

560
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,079
You know, we need to follow the law very very

561
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,039
very strictly, and then we will be pure enough and

562
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,440
God will send the Messiety will chase out the Romans

563
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,039
and et cetera, et cetera, you know, and basically the

564
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,719
only Judaism that survived from those days is the the

565
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Pharasaic form, and then mutated into metesticized, I would say,

566
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,719
into all manner of thought. But then you get this,

567
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:18,719
as you said, some cultural New York born air and

568
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:25,039
a tiny nose, you know, shouting at these people about

569
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:25,719
how they.

570
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 5: Have this blood.

571
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 3: Obligation to support the Zionism and they're like, no, we're religious.

572
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,119
We believe in this religious interpretation and it says God

573
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:43,599
has to grant it to us otherwise we don't get it.

574
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: Jay, did you want to respond to the clip itself

575
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,039
and then go into your thing, because I want.

576
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,119
Speaker 1: It's just kind of a you know, confusing situation where

577
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,199
a lot of these different too enter Jewish groups and

578
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,920
sex will kind of all have elements of truth in

579
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:12,760
the sense that, you know, Jews against Zionism are themselves

580
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,840
committed to, you know, certain interpretations of the Talmud, and

581
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,280
like Posh said, like they think it has to be

582
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,800
done a certain way before there's a restoration in.

583
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: The coming of the Messiah.

584
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: The other other strands, which are more secular and atheist,

585
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
like Posh said, I mean, it makes no sense because

586
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,880
it's like, well, there is no God, but he gave

587
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:36,559
us this land.

588
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,159
Speaker 5: So it's like.

589
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: Totally especially a tool of of sort of secular powers.

590
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,079
But Zionism, you know, this comes it becomes very useful

591
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,400
for the British Empire. I'll get into that maybe a

592
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,599
little bit. But so there's it's really complex in the

593
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,199
in the way that like, there's a lot of different

594
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,280
factors going into this, but it just makes all of

595
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,519
it really makes no sense from any of these perspectives, is.

596
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:09,159
Speaker 4: Right, right? Super confusing both the sides. From our view,

597
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,320
we go, oh, they're both very confused about this, but

598
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,239
it is connected to what we've been discussing, right, It

599
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,239
just doesn't come out of nowhere. The cultural blonde nosjob

600
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,840
Jew was like screaming because she's arguing a cultural trend view.

601
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,320
The Orthodox is holding an ancient view and they're trying

602
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,480
to maintain it, and they have their own unfolding of

603
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,079
their of their religion that they think is going to happen,

604
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:39,840
and they're pinned against each other. And from your view,

605
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,239
from this analysis, there's no way to separate what we

606
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,599
just saw. Is at least fair to say there's no

607
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,639
way to separate what we just saw as a clip

608
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,519
from dispensationalism, that this is like a this is an

609
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:55,440
effect of it. Would you say, clearly an effect of

610
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:58,360
dispensationalist view, even though they're not Christianity.

611
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: I had a role in helping America warm up to

612
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:09,880
supporting what the Ralph Childs and others wanted to do

613
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,840
in the Middle East. In that regard, it played a

614
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,119
key role in getting marshaling American, the American engine behind

615
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,159
a lot of these moves.

616
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: Natonya who said that Christian Zionism was instrumental in paving

617
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,440
the road towards this general let's call it Zionists.

618
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,679
Speaker 4: So we agree with one point five percent of Adam

619
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,519
Green's analysis zero point three.

620
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:46,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know want to reject it just so

621
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,519
we're back to ZERI.

622
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:55,119
Speaker 3: No, obviously, but I think the dispensationalism is more driven

623
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,440
by its apocalypticism, and then was appeared to be very

624
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:03,280
useful and very easy to We don't need to talk

625
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:09,360
about if it's organic now okay, Nowadays you can trace

626
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,840
it very easily to both intelligence agencies and different types

627
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,239
of funding. And that started obviously with the start of

628
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,320
the even the Moral Majority and all of these groups

629
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,559
that really pushed on things and had this again, this

630
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:35,679
wind power of the Second World War and events therein

631
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:43,440
that really gave it a legitimacy, not just in religious circles,

632
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:46,199
but even in secular circles where they said, no, we

633
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,280
just need a place for Jews to go where they

634
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,039
can be safe.

635
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 5: You know.

636
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Speaker 3: So all of these strands. It's what's important is that

637
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,280
they coalesce into the idea of these people get this

638
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,840
lad whether you get it through just to be safe,

639
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,679
whether you get it through Christian Zionism to Jewish Zionism,

640
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,920
through whatever. What's important is the outcome.

641
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Speaker 5: In the meantime.

642
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,639
Speaker 4: It just depends on Okay, So would the would the

643
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:24,880
clip that I played exist even without the apocalyptic dispensational

644
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,440
sort of let's call it chunts. It's like the chunks

645
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,239
is like what you put in the pan first onions

646
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,000
and stuff. It's like the the base of the of

647
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,000
the meal. Do you think what what I just played

648
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:42,880
would be inevitable anyway without these kind of views affecting

649
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,719
especially modern Western American politics.

650
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: I think yeah.

651
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of this stuff was already kind

652
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,119
of baked into the cake before America got sufficiently h

653
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,360
propaganda's with this stuff because okay, okay, yeah, I mean,

654
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,880
you know, Balfour Declaration and establishment of Israel and all

655
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,960
that is kind of already going on by the British Empire,

656
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,679
but they definitely wanted to secure the supported American engine.

657
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Speaker 4: Okay, got it. So I will retract I will retract

658
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,719
that I'm making a clear distinction or connection between that clip.

659
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,320
I just thought that was to me, it seemed relevant,

660
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,360
It seemed to sort of embody the problems we're dealing with.

661
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,679
I think I thought it was linked to it. But

662
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,079
if it's a case that that very instance could exist

663
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:39,920
very well without this beginning process that were sold constantly through.

664
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Speaker 1: This, well, I think I think the analogy would be too.

665
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:46,239
So prior to all this, you already had the disputes

666
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:53,599
amongst Orthodox Jews Reform Jews right and the Reform have

667
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:57,480
always kind of moved towards more atheistic agnostic type positions.

668
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:03,440
And then you've got multi all different sects amongst Orthodox

669
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:08,559
Jews following various rabbinical interpretations and pseudo messiahs. So they've

670
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:12,639
had a history of falling for various khan men uh

671
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,159
you know, Rabbi whoever, and he was the real Messiah,

672
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,960
and even today a bunch of the of them believe

673
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,599
Schneerson was a messiah.

674
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, I believe I recently saw that it was himself.

675
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,440
Because they often use the title bail because bail is

676
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:35,159
just means lord like bail shemptove and someone the Jews

677
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:40,280
break to bail. But to the point about the clip.

678
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,559
The problem with your assertion, Jimbob, is that neither of

679
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:50,039
those sides were thinking, well, Darby said, right right, And

680
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,719
even again back to the New Testament times, you had

681
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,360
the Suse, you have the Pharisees, you have the Esses,

682
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,639
You had all types of like ze and you know

683
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:05,039
Scatari eye, which is where we get this carry out j.

684
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Speaker 5: Carriot. But you had all these different interpretations of what

685
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,000
needs to be done to get things back in order. Right.

686
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: The Pharisees thought, you need ritual purity, and this is

687
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where a lot of Christ's criticism towards the Pharisees come from.

688
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,000
You know, you will get a tenth from your herb gardens,

689
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:30,000
but then you will ignore all sorts of things. The

690
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:35,639
subdences just completely hellenized. You know, they reject therely accept

691
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,440
the pentitoobe. They don't believe the after life. The Pharisees

692
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,920
famously do believe in the afterlife because Maccabees. Then you

693
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:44,719
got the Essens who sort of gave up on the

694
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,320
whole temple thing that go out into the desert red

695
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,000
so there is no unified thing. And then after the

696
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:58,400
fall Jerusalem again you might get some level of unity

697
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,079
because a lot of them, like this is basically relied

698
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,119
on being keyholders to the temple. That was that sort

699
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:09,079
of part. Once you lose the temple, you're pointless, and

700
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,320
then the Pharisees you know, yeah, go out they have

701
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:16,360
But even then it breaks into who knows how many

702
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,159
branches and people just you know, go with your pick

703
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:20,760
and choose or rabbi.

704
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just I'm looking at the blonde woman in

705
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:27,760
the clip and going what what could her view be

706
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,679
possibly derived from? If not this flawed sort of genetic

707
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,719
take that can be traced basically trauma.

708
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,639
Speaker 3: A lot of it is like we're persecuted all the time.

709
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,199
They want to make lambshades out of us, you know,

710
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:48,559
so enough of that will turn any people into just delusional.

711
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Speaker 5: It doesn't have to make sense, just needs to keep

712
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,079
you safe.

713
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:51,639
Speaker 1: Right right.

714
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 4: It could be it seems to be like very culturally

715
00:44:56,679 --> 00:45:00,519
derived that like she gets her identity from whatever cultural

716
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,320
propaganda she's getting, and it seems to be I'm trying

717
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,760
to make a link between what are the culture what's

718
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,599
the cultural propaganda she's getting, and can it be tracked

719
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:14,880
back to this idea that you know, these the genetics

720
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,559
is tied to the land. The genetics is is the

721
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,960
true or whatever that anyway, it doesn't really matter. But

722
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,920
I'm glad you guys distinguish that because either way, I'm

723
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:31,719
glad we've got to all watch that clip together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jay,

724
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,559
you sent this in the link. Did you want to

725
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:35,760
go off of this thing.

726
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,119
Speaker 2: Here or yeah?

727
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,599
Speaker 1: This is a kind of an unknown thing. People don't

728
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,360
really know about the Havara Agreement. But it's a little

729
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,960
later than the beginning stage of this. But I'll try

730
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,440
to summarize really quick what quickly says. Basically, the British

731
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:55,920
Empire was looking for models to have stable Middle East colonies. Right, So,

732
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,440
Britain has a very powerful empire at this time, late

733
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,800
eighteen hundred. They're looking for different systems and structures that

734
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,840
might work to stabilize it. Amongst the British elite, they

735
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,519
were pretty much divided. You had half of them who

736
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:11,519
were very pro Arab, very pro Muslim, some of them

737
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:15,400
even purportedly converted. Some of the famous British spies, Kim

738
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,440
Philby's dad supposedly became a Muslim, whether he really did

739
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:21,000
or he was just being a spy. I don't know,

740
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:27,360
but they had a very robust Orientalist structure which could

741
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,960
learn the culture, master it and then rule it.

742
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:31,079
Speaker 2: For the British Empire.

743
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: The Middle East, however, was so unstable, or so they said,

744
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,079
you had constant assassinations of leaders. They were looking for

745
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,280
what would be the most stable thing to put there,

746
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,159
and so, as we said, many of them favored Arabic

747
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:51,800
type leaders in government there. They were pro Palestinian or

748
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,280
as we say now pro Palestinian. But you also had

749
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,239
a faction under Lord Ralph Child, who were one to

750
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,960
establish a specifically Zion estate. And this was controversial because

751
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,719
you already had quite a few people who were already

752
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:14,559
there who were you know, Arab Christian and Arab Muslim obviously, so.

753
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: You get this decision on the.

754
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,039
Speaker 1: Part of the British to set up essentially a Zion estate.

755
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,400
This is the British Mandate for Palestine, and it was

756
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,480
motivated by a lot of the World Zionist Congress, the

757
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:35,800
World Jewish Agency. This is known as the British Mandate

758
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,840
for Israel, which ended in nineteen forty eight. Because after

759
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:47,159
the UK Mandate, you got essentially the decision that Jews

760
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:52,159
needed to migrate there very controversial and it's almost like

761
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,239
maybe they wanted this to cause this division there, right,

762
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,800
because what happens is that the early Army of Israel

763
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,760
is created out of what's called the Haganah, and that's

764
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,639
originally the Stern Gang. The Stern Gang was kind of

765
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:13,760
an organized crime syndicate that function like the early protectors

766
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,039
you could say, of the Jews in Israel at this time,

767
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,920
and they evolve into becoming a proto intelligence agency, an army.

768
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:30,760
They're behind the famous assassination of one of the lords

769
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,559
of the United Nations because of his policies. Lord Moyne

770
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:38,199
was assassinated by the Oregon Gang in nineteen forty four,

771
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:45,440
and then they famously themb the King David Hotel. This

772
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:47,920
is because now the Jews are getting tired of the

773
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,480
British rule in Israel and in Jerusalem they want to

774
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,599
throw that off. Then it gets even more complicated because

775
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,400
this is the crazy part from the British Empire active

776
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,800
they wanted to manipulate and rule.

777
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: Then we get this check this out.

778
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,519
Speaker 1: During the years of nineteen forty five to nineteen forty eight,

779
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,440
the Jewish Agency saw to establish Jewis stat and Palis

780
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,960
and removed the British restrictions on Jewish immigration, so Jews

781
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,519
Brits were now putting restrictions on who could go there

782
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,360
when previously they want them there. These were resisted not

783
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,760
only because of Britain's desires to maintain amicable relationship with

784
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,440
the Arabs, but also from the obvious lack of simpthy

785
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:29,800
for Zionist calls within the British government. So the Labor

786
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,760
Party comes to power in nineteen forty five, and because

787
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,719
the Labor Party were Fabian socialists, they actually were tended

788
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,000
to be pro pro Islam and pro Arab. The immediate

789
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,920
demand for the admission of one hundred thousand Jeish refugees

790
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:44,880
from Europe was rejected by the British and efforts to

791
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,599
smuggle some of these in gave rise to conditions of

792
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,639
quasi warfare between British and Zionist groups. The Arab League

793
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:56,800
of the Neighboring Arab States, which had formed underneath British

794
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,039
sponsorship in nineteen forty five, took as the chief aimed

795
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,599
the destruction of the zion and.

796
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,159
Speaker 2: To block Jewish immigration.

797
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: When the Labor government in June refused Zionis requests for

798
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,400
admission of one hundred thousand Jwish refugees and instead sought

799
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,760
to arrest members of the Jewish agency, the Irgun and

800
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,639
reprisal blew up the British headquarters known as the King

801
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,079
David Hotel in Jerusalem and got rid of one hundred people.

802
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:24,280
The World Zonis Congress elected Peter's figures who were supposedly moderate,

803
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,159
like Heim Weizmann and David Ben Gurion. The former won

804
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:31,320
the election, and then you got the support for British

805
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:36,480
mindate from the United States, which was unobtainable since Washington

806
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,079
generally favored the Jewish side while the British favored typically

807
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:43,480
the Arab side. Thus, death sentences were carried out.

808
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,639
Speaker 2: On the various Jewish terror groups, and.

809
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:48,599
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty seven the British sought to escape the

810
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:53,920
situation by appealing to the United Nations, and basically they

811
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,760
just handed this over to the Israeli government. So then

812
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:01,079
Ben Gurion steps into power nineteen forty eight as the

813
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:08,920
first uh first president. I guess you could say prime Minister.

814
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,920
September twentieth, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was the chief

815
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,760
Muslim religious leader of the want and collaborator with Tony

816
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,400
mustache Man, and he proclaimed an Arab government for all

817
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,519
of Palestine. What's funny is that he's a British intelligence agent.

818
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,320
He's the guy that looks like exactly like Ryan Gosling.

819
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,599
Speaker 5: You should Yeah, I wanted to mention that he's an

820
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,559
m I six operative and he's I didn't know that,

821
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,719
the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

822
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a British intelligence operative and he's working together

823
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,920
with Tony mustache Man. So basically, British Charlie is trying

824
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,599
to play both sides of everything and it seems to

825
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:48,280
not really work out here, and so you end up

826
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,360
getting the through a bunch of E R R O

827
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:55,639
R the establishment of a scientist regime which is not

828
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:01,280
explicitly religious but utilizes the religious imagery and ideology to

829
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,000
sort of bolster support. So that's the irony here is

830
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:08,239
that Christian Zionists in America support all these people who

831
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:12,480
are essentially intelligence operatives and organized crime people in nineteen

832
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,719
forty eight who don't believe anything religious at all.

833
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:24,639
Speaker 4: Wow, you ain't kidding, that's funny. Wow, The Truthers are

834
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:26,880
going to lose their The Truthers are going to lose

835
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,400
their ship. That the body double.

836
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, some Reeves apparently has had many doubled

837
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,480
ganghas throughout history. But this person is rather peculiar in

838
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,519
his function, in his cooperation with a man whose mustache

839
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:44,800
was even tinier than mine.

840
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,159
Speaker 5: And that's right.

841
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, that takes a lot, so Jay, based on what

842
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,760
you laid out here and the agreement that we went

843
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,639
over a little bit there that we had on the screen,

844
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,880
a lot of Americans who are maybe completely unaware of

845
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,239
the history, just we went over it with dispensationalism and

846
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,440
how it then plays into sort of the narrative of

847
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:12,480
geopolitics in America especially. They're unaware of it, but they're

848
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:17,400
participating in it. So do you think that it's it's

849
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:22,079
useless or feudal to even uh educate those kinds of

850
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:28,079
people who just have this kind of impulsive loyalty. I'll

851
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:30,920
look at Ryan and Gosling with little must look at that. Yeah,

852
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,119
they're talking about teasing.

853
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: Way you're interested in a book that covers the how

854
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,400
he was a British intelligence It's Fayo Ingolf's book Lost Hedgem,

855
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,599
on whom the Gods Would Destroy. He's basically just detailed.

856
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:47,360
There's old chapter on Graham Mufti as a British intelligence operator.

857
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,000
But sorry, go ahead, No.

858
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:52,199
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, like, what's the what's the methodology?

859
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 5: Now?

860
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 4: Like obviously doing a stream like this or anything like

861
00:53:55,519 --> 00:54:00,159
it that sort of sheds light on the summary of

862
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:06,039
this view and how it plays into modern politics. I

863
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,920
feel like we're in an era where people who take

864
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:13,239
this immediate impulse of loyalty to Israel in the political arena,

865
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,400
they're not going to really care what kind of history

866
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,599
you bring up, right, So it's like, I guess what

867
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,880
my question is, like us as people who talk about

868
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,519
this stuff and you know, analyze it and put it

869
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:30,239
into its proper categories, is it useless? I mean, not's

870
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,599
a blackpill, but like, what is our duty here as

871
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:35,880
far as like revealing because I think it needs to

872
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:36,719
be talked of more.

873
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,119
Speaker 1: The key is to understand to note, I'm not saying

874
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:42,039
you do this, but do not hate groups of people

875
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,599
in collectives, because people are raised in things and people

876
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,880
are in auction with things that are And I was

877
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,239
thinking about this the more I was, you know, ruminating

878
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,599
on the Muslim debate from last night, like people are

879
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,199
sort of imprisoned, you know, in these systems, and the

880
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,880
systems are not going to make you happy, you know

881
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,880
what I mean, they don't provide what they claim to provide.

882
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 2: So I see a lot of the people being manipulated.

883
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: You know, the one hundred thousand Jews that we're trying

884
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:14,519
to migrate, they were supposed to migrate.

885
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:15,599
Speaker 5: You know.

886
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: It's sort of like refugees are geopolitical tools on the chessboard,

887
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,400
and so we should feel sorry for the people. But

888
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,119
at the same time, like for example, Muslim refugees, like

889
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:31,000
they're also being used. So there's no easy answers. I

890
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,880
think that the more that we do understand the historical

891
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,320
nuances of the situation, we have to try to be

892
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:40,320
compassionate and concerned for people. Not that you guys aren't,

893
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,280
but there's a reactionary tendency right where people.

894
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,199
Speaker 2: Are just like, oh, it's all this group. Oh it's

895
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,199
all that group, you know.

896
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean, these people are pawns, they're tools, they're used.

897
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:57,079
I think that the Ralph Child group utilizes these people.

898
00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:00,639
They I don't know that they really believe the religion,

899
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,960
and I think I see it as kind of like

900
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:06,000
a tool that they use to control people, much like

901
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,840
a lot of Muslim caliphs probably didn't believe the religion,

902
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,320
but they use it as a tool to you know,

903
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,239
energize armies and so forth, to.

904
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:16,159
Speaker 5: Loot and plumb.

905
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:18,199
Speaker 1: I mean, Mohammed seems to have done that, right, So

906
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,760
there's a pattern of using ideologies for these geopolitical ends.

907
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,119
So I wouldn't say it's black pilling. I would just

908
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:31,480
say it's more so like understanding the nuances of the situation.

909
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:35,480
And it's not always or totally one person's fault. But

910
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,639
between the two people debating that we saw a minute

911
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:40,519
ago and screaming like they're both kind of goofy.

912
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because we mustn't.

913
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,519
Speaker 3: I rail against abstractions all the time because the problem

914
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:52,400
with abstractions, as I say, it's a common phrase, abstraction

915
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:53,519
is subtraction.

916
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 5: You need to take out a lot of.

917
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: Peculiarities in order to have it as some type of

918
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:03,719
abstract notion, and we tend to forget that these are

919
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,960
human beings. If you're born, for example, into Islam, your

920
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:13,559
family is Muslim, so you're going to have an innate,

921
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:19,039
you know, desire to defend Islam because no matter how

922
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:21,440
it's not no matter, but.

923
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 5: When people tell you, oh, Muhammad was this who did that?

924
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:27,880
And this is false? That is false.

925
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: A lot of their thinking is, my family can't possibly

926
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,079
be supporting this guy. My father is a great guy,

927
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:38,039
my friends are great, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

928
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,400
So it's a human thing. It's not input out. But

929
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,519
they're not machines. And good thing that they're not machines.

930
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:49,639
Those who do decide to convert or even abandon Islam

931
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:55,039
take massive risks. Their families are put at risk. So

932
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:01,599
with the clip that we saw earlier, right, these people

933
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:02,360
grow up with it.

934
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:04,519
Speaker 5: I grew up.

935
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm cradle orthodox right, and a lot of things that

936
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:10,119
were blind spots for me because.

937
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,679
Speaker 5: It just that's how it is.

938
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:14,519
Speaker 3: You know, when people ask me, you know, why do

939
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,320
you pray to saints? You know, I know, because they're

940
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,960
awesome thing and they help you out right, But then

941
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:25,800
you have to go and study the theology. Most people

942
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:32,239
do it because pure inertia. Others like Sneaker or someone

943
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:40,159
might be just grifters, but might simply be completely demoralized

944
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:44,679
by the state of the world and they're looking for refuge.

945
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,000
And if your idea of Islam is it's like Christianity

946
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but hasn't been you know, wimpy, and you know, you

947
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get four wives instead of one, and it's like no trinity,

948
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,760
and that's basically the difference. And we go to the

949
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mosque on Friday, right, we don't go to churchill Sunday.

950
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And that's basically it.

951
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Speaker 5: You know, you go for it.

952
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Speaker 3: And you know, the Islam as a very pr oriented religion,

953
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so they organically basically go for praising you anytime you

954
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say anything nice about Islam.

955
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Speaker 4: If you convert, they have you right on their they

956
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:27,960
have you right on their podcast immediately.

957
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like a Baptist but like

958
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,800
you know, the bad starts. You can like say the

959
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,119
Sinner's prayer and then like you're giving the test, you're

960
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:38,199
giving your testimony and preaching next Wednesday.

961
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Speaker 4: Right, yeah, totally. It's like it's like brigger you any

962
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,920
any leftists who says anything in Hollywood remotely classical liberal,

963
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,440
they slap them on an orange and blue meal immediately.

964
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Speaker 5: You know.

965
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I had to watch Michael Nole's interview

966
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Ryan Long, who's just a comedian, he's a goofy, he's

967
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,119
not a political activist, and I had to watch it,

968
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because I was expecting every single thing that Ryan Loong

969
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,559
says it was going to be, well, you know the left.

970
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:13,519
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the left is the bad, the real bad.

971
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's exactly what happened. But the problem is

972
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:21,599
that Ryanlong is so a political that basically anytime he said, well,

973
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:25,079
you know, the left does this, but the conservatives, he said, yeah,

974
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:27,719
but sort of those the bush Eras. So that's up,

975
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,559
you know, and you can't get it. But these people

976
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:37,000
are so ideologically obsessed that they have to shape anything

977
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:45,199
that's even remotely approbatory of that position into like a confirmation.

978
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:50,679
And what I like to say is it's winning either way.

979
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:56,880
There's even a higher level of that when if let's

980
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,880
say a child agrees with your position, it's even a

981
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:03,400
child sees that this is correct. If a child agrees

982
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,239
with the opposing position, only a child could agree with that.

983
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:11,239
You know, it's just rhetorical flips. There's nothing to it.

984
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,440
And I'm afraid that because we're so abstract, we're so

985
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:20,280
detached from human life, and technology has made that very

986
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:26,079
very possible and very pronounced. We just see people as

987
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:32,159
I don't know, data points. It's very stalin esque. You know,

988
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:36,599
deaths and millions is a statistic. Likewise with conversion, if

989
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,559
a friend of yours converts to Orthodoxy, oh great, But

990
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:44,440
if a million people convert to Catholicisms, like it happens.

991
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 5: And it's dehumanizing.

992
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: And as far as the approach to all of this,

993
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:58,039
my suggestion is the strength of Protestantism is that it's

994
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:04,320
so slow, Ganieri, it's so short and snappy, you know.

995
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: That's what Daniel tried to argue at the beginning of

996
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,880
the debate last night was look, Islam is simple, it's easy,

997
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,119
it's got four lines, so it's got to be clear

998
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:12,440
and true.

999
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: That's what yea.

1000
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:20,599
Speaker 3: So my suggestion is just try to make short arguments

1001
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:23,559
like I gave the one with why is if Christ

1002
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:27,840
rules for a thousand years, why is in the future right,

1003
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:32,440
he establishes a thousand years of just pure haven on earth,

1004
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,119
this kingdom and then loosens up the devil at the

1005
01:02:36,199 --> 01:02:38,280
end of it. Was the point of that with our

1006
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:43,519
expectations like we're in the millennium and when the end

1007
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:45,880
is coming, you know, the reigns of Satan or Loocid.

1008
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:50,159
Bit makes perfect sense. So that may be something you

1009
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,079
need to fight to them with snippets. Unfortunately, because the

1010
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:57,880
moment you use more than five sentences all of a sudden,

1011
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:01,280
that's not that's not philosophy.

1012
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,679
Speaker 1: Like like Sam's really good, for example, when he debates

1013
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:08,679
the Muslims in like because he's done it for so

1014
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,039
many years and so many times, Like he knows like

1015
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,960
three sentences right of how to spit out like a

1016
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,599
problem for the Muslims within two or three sentences, So

1017
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:19,440
he's really good at that.

1018
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:23,639
Speaker 4: I wanted to point out that in our assessment of

1019
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:30,800
the dispensationalist view, its perversion of Hermanus in scripture, and

1020
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,679
its implications of policy, the reason I came, I asked

1021
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:38,039
us all here is is saying, like asking the question, well,

1022
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,000
what should we do? How do we is it more folders?

1023
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 5: Right?

1024
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,679
Speaker 4: Do we show more folders and reveal the truth of it?

1025
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:46,960
And I want to make this distinction that like if

1026
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:51,599
you use the exposing dispensationalism and it's all you know

1027
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:54,360
the names, and you know the bagel people, and you know,

1028
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:58,039
you know, properly show people, wake people up, you know

1029
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,280
this kind of truth or take it? Seems to me

1030
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,440
it's all useless if you're not bringing people to the church.

1031
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:06,800
And so in the end, it's like, if we're using

1032
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,840
it for a cultural uh you know, sort of a

1033
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,400
cultural trending use for it, we're using it as like technology.

1034
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,800
We're really just participating the same game. And so you know,

1035
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:21,239
that's why I made sure to let people know, well,

1036
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,199
it's not a black pill, to look at the stuff

1037
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,239
and properly examine it. But the purpose of it isn't

1038
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,239
so that you can then use it for some sort

1039
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:30,639
of left right dialectic like oh and I get more

1040
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:35,519
people to understand this inside. Yeah, yeah, more liberalism, right.

1041
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,440
So that's that's what that's my sentiment here is that

1042
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,920
the purpose is to properly categorize things. If you're going

1043
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,920
to appeal to scripture Christianity, this is what it looks

1044
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,039
like to pervert it in some sort of notion towards

1045
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,519
the future that you want to craft in your own view.

1046
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,360
I feel like that's what Darby did, that he really

1047
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,719
perverted and u and turned scripture and the practice and

1048
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,679
the faith into some sort of technology toward a end goal.

1049
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:05,880
And from our view, we don't know when that end

1050
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,039
goal is, and we couldn't claim that, and so our

1051
01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:11,599
job is to practice bring people into the church and

1052
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,039
and uh, and it's a much more uh, you know,

1053
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:18,760
we're we're in humility. I mean that view is in

1054
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,400
like sort of conquering, dominating, like getting the point across.

1055
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,119
And I know people in the chat are frustrated, not

1056
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:29,480
in this chat, but just generally speaking, they want something done.

1057
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:31,480
We're in a culture. We're in a culture our war.

1058
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:34,039
We got to fix this. You know, everybody's fighting this

1059
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:37,360
kind of war. And it's it's kind of difficult to

1060
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:42,960
balance your theological view and practice with some sort of

1061
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:45,119
like utility in the world that you're trying to get

1062
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:47,119
something done and plant your flag. And I know it's

1063
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:50,760
difficult for people because they want those results. And I

1064
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,039
don't know if you guys want to add on that,

1065
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:55,159
but how to balance this kind of notion of like

1066
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,199
getting results in your culture and winning the cultural war

1067
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,559
and planting the flag of victory says, well, that might

1068
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:05,719
not happen. You might have to actually practice Christianity when

1069
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,239
you're losing your whole life. So I mean just want

1070
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:09,119
to remind people of that.

1071
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,039
Speaker 3: It mustn't be confused with some type of crypto prosperity

1072
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:18,039
gospel that if you're doing the right things, things will

1073
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:23,440
go well in a material sense. Yeah, there's absolutely no

1074
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:26,880
guarantee of it. In fact, you should expect things to

1075
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:33,239
go poor loose. I also keep saying, don't let things

1076
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,280
you're you're for be a function of things you're against.

1077
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:42,519
So don't oppose dispensationalism because you're against Israel. That's that's

1078
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:46,000
not a good that's a good point foundation if you

1079
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:50,000
want to support Israel because oh it's a counterbalance to Islam,

1080
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:53,800
it's the only democracy in the Middle East, whatever you want.

1081
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:58,719
Speaker 5: You know, my biggest contention with it is that it's

1082
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,400
not christ It's it's not what the Church teaches. It's

1083
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,159
not biblical, it's it's heresy.

1084
01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:11,559
Speaker 3: That's my because and I am against heresy because I'm

1085
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:17,559
for Orthodoxy. And you can twist yourself into so many

1086
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:24,079
pretzels or bagels, although they're not twisted, you can loop

1087
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:31,039
yourself in so many. But because you're against something, you know, Oh,

1088
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:34,920
I'm against communism, so I'm going to the Bible wants

1089
01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:40,159
free markets and low taxes and gun rights like Okay,

1090
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,639
if you believe the Bible supports that, don't tell me.

1091
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:45,679
Speaker 5: Because it's against communism. M h right.

1092
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,039
Speaker 3: That you can't have these negative things because they are

1093
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:56,760
also very easily manipulated by surreptitious actors. They see you

1094
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:02,039
or against something, so they'll just you know, how I

1095
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,199
like to illustrate it is, if you're going to do

1096
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:07,559
the opposite of what I say, I just tell you

1097
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:09,880
to do the opposite of what I want, and then

1098
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,239
you do the opposite, and you're again doing.

1099
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 5: What I want you to do.

1100
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: This is why everyone who's the names, etc. It's so incomplete,

1101
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,520
because people actually have to live their lives. You can't

1102
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,520
and even most people don't care. But you can't have

1103
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:36,279
this revolutionary opinion or movement succeed because a lot of

1104
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,800
revolutionary thinking is only bound together by the opposition towards

1105
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:45,239
a system. The problem is if the revolution succeeds, then

1106
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,159
you have to go into the affirmative and then it

1107
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:51,000
turns out we all disagree and then they start slaughtering

1108
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:51,399
each other.

1109
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:52,119
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1110
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:54,399
Speaker 1: The fact that the reason I robbed that harbora agreement

1111
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,520
that you know about, I forget to mention this is

1112
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,479
that in Tragi, help quickly speaks as if the elite

1113
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,520
kind of wanted World War one and World War two

1114
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,800
and so that they had multiple reasons as to why,

1115
01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:09,520
and that agreement shows. One reason is that it allowed

1116
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,840
for what's happening in the thirties and forties in the

1117
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,760
Middle East, and not everything necessarily went totally according to plan.

1118
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,560
But you know, we couldn't be here without where we

1119
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,479
are now without World War One and World War two.

1120
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:26,520
So certain entities wanted World War one and World War two.

1121
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,560
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's.

1122
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,119
Speaker 1: Partly what that explanation with Havaro is about. I have

1123
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:33,840
to run, but I want to thank you for having

1124
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,239
me and a really great chat today.

1125
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1126
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much. You want to plug anything,

1127
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:41,840
obviously you stream Jay Dyer. You can find them on

1128
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,000
YouTube specific ones you're coming up.

1129
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, if anybody's in the Nashville area and you want

1130
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,119
to come to the event Friday and Saturday. I'm speaking

1131
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:54,000
with Jimbob's closest associate, James Lindsay. I think you guys

1132
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:58,920
are you guys have been bff since my Space Dave right, like,

1133
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:01,560
you'all have a point. You get a joint MySpace you shared.

1134
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 4: I think such a dick to that guy. It's because

1135
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:08,279
because I can't get his attention, so I just like

1136
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:10,239
you know, I'm just ankle biting him and just being

1137
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:12,000
like you're wrong, you're wrong, You're wrong.

1138
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm just onyops.

1139
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: So uh, we have mutual friends.

1140
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,159
Speaker 5: So I'm agin, are you going to go and stay

1141
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,399
like this guy?

1142
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 2: He might not even be there when I'm there. He

1143
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,359
might like speak no idea.

1144
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:31,159
Speaker 4: Now there's there's hope for lindsay because you look at

1145
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:34,640
his Instagram and everybody is like, dude, you're still not

1146
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,920
dealing with the classical liberal problem and and so from

1147
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,319
that view, it's hopeful and I can lighten up a

1148
01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:40,680
little bit.

1149
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't know.

1150
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you to light I'm just saying like

1151
01:10:43,319 --> 01:10:45,239
he might not even be there when I'm there, because

1152
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:46,600
it's like ten speakers.

1153
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,279
Speaker 2: So I'm just speaking at this event that he's speaking.

1154
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:51,239
Speaker 4: What's a topic you're speaking on? Particularly?

1155
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:55,319
Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't know what he's talking on. But

1156
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,479
but there's a bunch of other people that have John

1157
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,840
Classics speaking. Who does the School World Order book? Anyway,

1158
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,760
that's this weekend. You can go to the Cognitive Liberty

1159
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,199
Conference dot com if you want to watch that or

1160
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,239
come to that Nashville Friday and Saturday, and then you

1161
01:11:11,239 --> 01:11:14,319
can get my books at Jays Analysis and in the shop.

1162
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:17,159
I'm working on Estrakla with three and I've got almost

1163
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,840
two seventy eighty pages, so that's it's coming along, should

1164
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,119
be should be finished maybe the next couple of months.

1165
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 4: So cool. And then the as in the deboot sphere,

1166
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:29,119
the fact that Fresh and Fit had you that's a

1167
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:34,279
pretty big platform and is that something you want to continue?

1168
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:37,359
Obviously you debate whenever you want, but do you see

1169
01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:41,079
something promising by transforming some of these sort of like

1170
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,319
I would say, they're like you know, you know, they're

1171
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,760
dominated by the three h four class of people, but

1172
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,319
they have this opportunity to do proper debates and things

1173
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:53,600
like that. Is that something in your experience you thought

1174
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,479
was fruitful or it.

1175
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:56,079
Speaker 5: Seems like it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it's already had you know

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across rumble x here, uh maybe four or five.

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Speaker 2: Hundred thousand views, which is crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you and Andrew had that viral thing

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with West your your other bff.

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Speaker 4: The other I'm gonna been texting him along.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, I think one reason we

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did it was that, you know, Myron I think is

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professing a professing Muslim, and we wanted to be willing

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to say, you know, we'll come over on your home court, right, Yeah,

1187
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I'm open to it, just depending upon you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who it is and what's going on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was looking at that and I'm like, obviously,

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the Muslim versus Christianity, who's got their metaphysics and epistemology

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01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:50,359
down properly, which is more coherent, is valuable. But I

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01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,119
find I hope there's a follow up debate, honestly, and

1193
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,279
I think you could do this debate as well, Jays

1194
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:58,920
that there's this sort of pushed unity between the two

1195
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:01,880
and this is some that we should pair up with

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Islam for a cultural war to fight this evil. And

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then and then there's this like this naive take that

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at the end, when we fight evil, then we'll figure

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out who has the true you know, theology. And it's

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like that's not a good.

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Speaker 2: Bet identify evil without the world.

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Speaker 4: That's right, right, right, yeah, yeah, Sneaker wrote. Sneaker wrote, Muslim,

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01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:28,239
Islam and Christianity team up against Satan, and I rewrote

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01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:32,079
it like evil in truth team up against evil. It's like,

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01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,960
you can't you can't take the bait on that even

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though it's tempting. It's very tempting, not for me, but

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I can see with other people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that debate last night. The main reason I

1209
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:46,600
was happy to do that was that those guys they're

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really notorious for kind of running from Sam. Yeah, Sam

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01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:51,880
knows is lom way better than me. So I really

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01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,600
wanted it just to be the vehicle for Sam to

1213
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,359
come on and let let loose against those guys, and

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that's seemed to work.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I don't even I'm not a Muslim

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Islam expert, so well.

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Speaker 4: You've I mean, you're able to defeat Islam just by

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talking about a foot. That's what I learned.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, I mean I always want

1221
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to go off into like, you know, all these other

1222
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:20,359
topics and what's happened. I think that Pasha was getting

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to about kind of the online The internet is really

1224
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,159
being a difficult thing for Islam because people are hearing

1225
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,039
now for the first time in the last few years,

1226
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not just Christian evangelical goobers on the defensive. So for

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,640
a long time, Muslim go out on debate and it's

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,319
always Christians on the defensive. Now it's Christians on the offensive,

1229
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:42,600
and then we begin to see how flimsy it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one thing that the Internet has done is

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that the sources are now available. You can go to

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Sona dot com exactly and read the hadith. Because when

1233
01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:56,720
Muhammed Hijab a couple of years ago had a poll

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01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,199
on Twitter asking what is like? This is anonymous so

1235
01:15:01,279 --> 01:15:03,000
you can answer, sincerely.

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Speaker 5: You know, what is your.

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Speaker 3: Biggest source of doubts in Islam? And he gave like science, scientific,

1238
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:18,359
you know, knowledge claims of other religions. What one out

1239
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,640
is the personal morality of Muhammad. So because people are

1240
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:31,239
now getting acquainted with these problems, about about ten years ago,

1241
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,279
you would be called islamophobic if you mentioned I shall

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01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:37,439
be six when he married a nine when he consummated.

1243
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But there are worse things, and I think by next

1244
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:45,199
week I'll prepare. I have Jimbob and Andrew on for

1245
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:49,039
the funniest things in Islam. J if you want on,

1246
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,199
you're free to come on. It's just the silly things,

1247
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,439
you know, Like most punishment of the graves is because

1248
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,880
people make mistakes. Urinating because men have to crouch, you know,

1249
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,800
squat when they beat. If you don't, Angel will.

1250
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:08,079
Speaker 5: I got to run.

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01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: But thank you guys so much.

1252
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 4: I appreciate Zee man. That's funny. Uh, definitely posh. We

1253
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,159
need to interact more so offline so that I can

1254
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:20,079
prepare visuals and memes.

1255
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 3: Make sure we do that, okay, thinking whether that's better,

1256
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,279
whether it's better to get organic reactions.

1257
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Speaker 4: That's true to you? Well, well the ultimate put it

1258
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,359
this way. I'll prepare some visuals and then use them

1259
01:16:33,399 --> 01:16:35,359
if I need to in the background, as you know,

1260
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,680
put them in my holster. But certainly a list of

1261
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:43,359
the most absurd, right, So it's Hadith and Kuran references

1262
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,199
that are most you know, peculiar and strange.

1263
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:46,399
Speaker 5: Right.

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01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,079
Speaker 3: Sam ruined one of my favorites, which is that a

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01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,680
log is a bit on the wiena by the womb.

1266
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 5: What, by the by the what the womb? The womb?

1267
01:17:03,319 --> 01:17:03,960
Who's womb.

1268
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,560
Speaker 4: It's not even a brown recluse or anything that.

1269
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 5: We know of, you know, Mega wood something floating about

1270
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,760
I suppose, but and he shouts stop.

1271
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:23,520
Speaker 4: It, stop that right now. Yeah, that's gonna be fun.

1272
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When is that two weeks we're gonna have.

1273
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,319
Speaker 3: I hope I can get it ready by next Thursday

1274
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,279
or something. Okay, cool, we're in the middle of a

1275
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,760
heat wave. It's it's absolutely hallish. I was wearing a

1276
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,000
white beata so bad that I had to put on

1277
01:17:39,119 --> 01:17:42,279
this shirt. I was wearing a white beata so wife

1278
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:44,880
beatery that it seemed like I was offering like a service.

1279
01:17:46,319 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 5: That's house. I liking white beaten for a fair price.

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01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 4: When you when a Serbian says there's a heat wave,

1281
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,079
I assume that they mean there's bombs going off. Like

1282
01:17:56,159 --> 01:18:00,399
I don't know the distinction. We're like I was, I'm like, posh,

1283
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,079
can you stream next week? And he's like, well, there

1284
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:06,600
are bombs going off in the distance, so I think

1285
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:07,560
it'll be fine.

1286
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,359
Speaker 3: Warry Stone quarrying here and you can hear when they

1287
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:18,000
blow up stuff, so that triggers great memories.

1288
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,119
Speaker 4: Right right right. You can use that as propaganda if

1289
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you want.

1290
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 5: Right, it makes you sound whiny, Yeah, yeah.

1291
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:26,119
Speaker 4: That's true.

1292
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 5: That's true.

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01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 4: If there's any other chats, I want to go through

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and make sure I didn't miss.

1295
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 5: Me too.

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01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 4: So true, and I'll stick around. Thank you, new members,

1297
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,279
Thank you. Shout out to Rachel for ten memberships there.

1298
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,399
I'll go over to the Bob chats at the second

1299
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because I saw some come in.

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Speaker 5: I'll get the other beer.

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01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:55,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, you get another beer. For those in the chat,

1302
01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:58,760
is there any other questions you have? I know maybe

1303
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,960
some of you wanted to ask j questions, but time's

1304
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,239
a ticking. Shout out to Jay for coming on. Appreciate that.

1305
01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:12,000
I hope you guys learned something about dispensationalism. It's perversion

1306
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:18,520
and its impact on modern geopolitics. Not that there's suddenly

1307
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:23,039
a button we can hit where everyone wakes up, as

1308
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:25,560
is the case in the Truther sphere, where you just

1309
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:29,880
open the golden folders and the rays of light bless

1310
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,840
upon your face and you're awakened and illuminated for forever.

1311
01:19:33,359 --> 01:19:35,720
We don't. We don't hold that view. That's not as

1312
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,439
it's not quite that easy, is it. Let me see

1313
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,800
twenty dollars, Thank you so much over at Bob Chat.

1314
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For the Muslims in the chat, Mohammad prophesied that the

1315
01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:58,359
wall of Dull Karnaine Surah Coarnane Uh this is a

1316
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:03,279
parenthesis Surah eighteen eighty three to ninety nine in the Hadiths,

1317
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,760
would stand until the last day. There is no massive

1318
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,840
wall of iron and copper between two mountains, holding back

1319
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:15,319
armies of fourteen hundred years. Therefore, Muhammadis's false prophet, find

1320
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,560
the wall or leave your cult. He didn't say this,

1321
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:19,640
you're all gay.

1322
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:25,079
Speaker 3: That part of what the cornine is going to be

1323
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:28,760
part of the stream, definitely, because for those who do

1324
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,479
not know, Vall Karnaine means man of two horns, and

1325
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:37,279
it refers to Alexander the Great, who had this title,

1326
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:41,199
you know, as he went about conquering, he also went

1327
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:47,880
about undergoing ceremonies that would render him the avatar, the

1328
01:20:48,039 --> 01:20:53,399
sun or whatever of the local deity, you know, And

1329
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,039
he has a depiction of you know, like a helmet

1330
01:20:56,079 --> 01:21:00,560
of two horns, etc. So he is the man of

1331
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:07,039
two horns. And these stories reflect what's called the Alexandrian romances,

1332
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:14,119
so it's obviously crypt But as Muhammad went along, he

1333
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:21,600
just picked up stories about local, well known people. And

1334
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the Wall of dull knen Is built a country. Remember

1335
01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:31,840
it's copper and iron smelted down, you know, And they

1336
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:32,680
built a wall.

1337
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,199
Speaker 5: To entrap you. A George and not a George, which

1338
01:21:36,279 --> 01:21:37,399
is a rough.

1339
01:21:37,239 --> 01:21:41,279
Speaker 3: Equivalent of Gog and Magog. But Gog and Magog in

1340
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:45,199
the Bible are a completely different thing, because yeah, George

1341
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:50,399
and George are basically like these mutant people who outnumber

1342
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,000
the Muslims nine hundred and ninety nine to one.

1343
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:59,520
Speaker 5: So is that their nephlom, No, it's it's it's not

1344
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:00,840
the same manufacturing.

1345
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 3: So they are mutated. You know, they have like shield

1346
01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:11,199
like faces with tiny eyes. So some have speculated the Chinese,

1347
01:22:12,359 --> 01:22:17,520
but uh, well.

1348
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 4: Yes, but what is that is that Serbian piss?

1349
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:32,399
Speaker 3: Well mine might be. That's yeah, it's plumb brandy. It's

1350
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,319
it's actually on Unesco.

1351
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 5: It's not about heritage, you know, it's it's one of

1352
01:22:40,079 --> 01:22:43,840
the best things you can ever drink. This is why

1353
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:48,039
I never liked whiskey. I grew up with really and

1354
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:52,359
and like all like whiskey and gin wool tasted medicinal

1355
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,760
to me, Like I felt like I went into the

1356
01:22:55,279 --> 01:22:58,920
medical cabinet and started chugging. But back to you.

1357
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 3: So they're supposed to outnumber the Muslims nine hundred and

1358
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:08,680
ninety nine toy one. So let's say it's not for now,

1359
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,399
it's like for when Islam is smaller, and let's say

1360
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there's a hundred thousand of them left. If you have

1361
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:20,239
a one hundred thousand times a thousand, that's one hundred million.

1362
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:26,079
So we're supposed to find one hundred million. It's medicine.

1363
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:33,119
It's a medicine for everything, plus a cleaning agent. And

1364
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we're supposed to find and again I'm being very generous,

1365
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:42,079
one hundred million people locked somewhere but behind a giant

1366
01:23:42,199 --> 01:23:48,680
wall of iron and bronze or copper, doesn't matter, And

1367
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:53,600
they dig every day and they almost break through. But

1368
01:23:54,039 --> 01:23:57,800
when they stop, they go back and Allot restores it

1369
01:23:58,119 --> 01:23:58,760
during the night.

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Speaker 4: But how convenient.

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Speaker 5: But one day.

1372
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Speaker 3: They won't leave by saying tomorrow we will finish. They

1373
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,359
will say tomorrow we will finish in chalah Allah willing,

1374
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and then Allah won't restore it.

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Speaker 5: So the next day they will finish.

1376
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,359
Speaker 3: It and break out, and there will be so many

1377
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,600
of them they will drink entire lakes and rivers and.

1378
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:27,079
Speaker 5: It's glory.

1379
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds a lot. I mean, I feel like,

1380
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I mean, what's her name, Greta Tunberg could have written

1381
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,960
Islam based on like the structure of how they're like,

1382
01:24:38,039 --> 01:24:40,760
well it will count all this stuff could happen and

1383
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,600
then and then it just like you know, it's just

1384
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,399
this promise, this promise, this promise, and then there's nothing

1385
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,279
that actually corresponds to reality. The only thing about Islam

1386
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:55,479
that corresponds with the reality of human beings and our

1387
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our existence over time is Christian It's like, you know,

1388
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the only thing that they that they describe accurately, it

1389
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seems to be borrowed from a Christian worldview. I don't

1390
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know how they get over that. Now they might get

1391
01:25:11,119 --> 01:25:15,680
something descriptive things right, but their whole foundation. I always

1392
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,239
tell the Muslims who jump on the comments that I

1393
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go okay. They say, oh, well, Islam's true, Christianity's false,

1394
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And I just simply say, for Islam to be true,

1395
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you need Christianity to be partially true. For Christianity to

1396
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be true, you need none of Islam to be true.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, So I think David would coin the phrase

1398
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the Islamic dilemma the Quranic dilemma. But basically.

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Speaker 3: The Korana firms the Angel and the tot which is

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01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:56,399
basically the Gospel and the Torah. So maybe you want

1401
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,319
to take a contracted view of those and you know,

1402
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:04,560
just say and Gelokate just the Gospels or the Torah,

1403
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:09,600
just maybe the Pentateuch or something The problem is there's

1404
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,439
no way to render it where you either have to

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01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:18,239
accept the legitimacy. Yes, and everything else.

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01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 5: Like I mentioned, the Alexandrian romance of the pagan stuff

1407
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,039
is also local.

1408
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 4: And a Gnostic, as as our Albanian. The one Albanian

1409
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:34,279
we like the the accordion player. He did a stream.

1410
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,319
I would do another one of those, by the way,

1411
01:26:36,359 --> 01:26:39,920
because like that's really interesting to track back Islam too

1412
01:26:40,079 --> 01:26:40,880
early gnostic.

1413
01:26:42,199 --> 01:26:47,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like you like the Jesus wasn't actually crucified,

1414
01:26:48,039 --> 01:26:51,000
he was replaced. That's not the universal that's I believe.

1415
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,439
It's a majority Islamic view, but not universal. You have

1416
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,640
those who don't believe that, and they have their arguments.

1417
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,680
But obviously a lot of things. Just as I said,

1418
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:12,760
it's the most improvised religion ever. But what was I

1419
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:19,199
talking about? Yes, the Qur'an basically says you need the Christians,

1420
01:27:19,239 --> 01:27:22,159
you need to go to your Angel. The Jews you

1421
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:25,279
need to go to the Torad. And there's a hadith

1422
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:30,520
where Mohammad was asked to solve some dispute after conquering

1423
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,439
like a Jewish place, so he's in charge. They go

1424
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,159
to him for the dispute and he says, bring me

1425
01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:38,079
a copy of the Torah. And they bring him a

1426
01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:41,560
copy of the Torah. And he gets up from the cushion.

1427
01:27:41,239 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 5: He's sitting on.

1428
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,159
Speaker 3: Right, this is the Middle East, and they use chairs

1429
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:49,560
because wood is hella expensive, as the children say nowadays.

1430
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,560
And he places the scroll on the cushion as a

1431
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,119
sign of reverence and he says, I believe in you

1432
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:01,039
and the one who revealed you. Right, so he confirms it.

1433
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,279
There are critiques of the Jews and Christians that we

1434
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:10,239
pervert the meaning. That's a completely different thing. And then

1435
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:16,359
there's the passages where the Muslims are cheering for what

1436
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,239
we call the Byzantine Empire, right, the Roman Empire against

1437
01:28:20,279 --> 01:28:25,720
the Persians, because the Persians are Zoroastrians, the fire worshipers

1438
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,920
as they're called there, and the Romans are the people

1439
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:34,399
of the book because they're Christian. They have revelation of Allah.

1440
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,800
Now we're talking about seventh century Byzantium.

1441
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 5: Things were.

1442
01:28:43,079 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 3: Handled at that point as far as what constitutes the

1443
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,319
New Testament. So if Muhammad was saying these people, we're

1444
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:52,880
cheering for these people because they have the revelation of Allah,

1445
01:28:54,079 --> 01:28:56,399
that means that what they had is the revelation of Allah.

1446
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:01,439
Not to mention also that they say, oh, Jesus came

1447
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,479
to the Jews, and a portion of them accepted him,

1448
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,359
another portion rejected him, and Allah will until the judgment

1449
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,039
day make sure that the ones who accepted him were

1450
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:18,319
made superior. So those who accepted Christ will be kept

1451
01:29:18,399 --> 01:29:23,600
superior until judgment day to those who rejected. And because

1452
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,319
it can't be the trinitarians. Obviously we are all idolators

1453
01:29:28,399 --> 01:29:31,920
and polytheists, right, So who are these people?

1454
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 5: Then? Yeah? Right? Is there some super.

1455
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:39,560
Speaker 3: Secret Jewish sect that's monotheistic And basically it would have

1456
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,880
to be Muslim, so it makes no sense. As they said,

1457
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,560
it's winging it. But then they latch onto things like, oh,

1458
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,000
the Trinity is illogical, as if you can just impose

1459
01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:53,199
logic on what God is.

1460
01:29:54,319 --> 01:29:58,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, that brings up you mentioned seventh seventh century. I

1461
01:29:58,239 --> 01:29:59,640
don't know if it's six or seven. I don't know

1462
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:04,760
if it matters. But Jay's hypotheticals is a pretty sharp

1463
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,520
knife against the islam debater, isn't it.

1464
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 5: That that's the Islamic dilemma?

1465
01:30:10,279 --> 01:30:15,399
Speaker 3: Because if the scriptures we have are unreliable, then the

1466
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,680
Koran is wrong if they are reliable and they contradict

1467
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,960
the Quran, then Islam is wrong. Yeah, so it's wrong

1468
01:30:22,039 --> 01:30:26,359
either way. So they will go it's corrupted. But we

1469
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:27,920
can prove Mohammed from.

1470
01:30:28,399 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 4: So because like this, the Quran is right and it's

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01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,720
based on scripture. The parts that are wrong about scripture

1472
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,399
are wrong because it doesn't go with the Quran.

1473
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't have to make sense.

1474
01:30:41,279 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 4: It just don't even. You don't even need three beers

1475
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:48,199
to laugh at that. Wow, and they don't see a

1476
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:51,039
problem with it. They just fart. They just fart. Well,

1477
01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:53,680
I have no response, so I think Jay should start

1478
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:59,039
fo rhetorics. Did you watch that debate? By the way,

1479
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:00,880
all the way through? Are just gonna get snippets or

1480
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:01,920
what get too?

1481
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:06,319
Speaker 3: Because it started at midnight and today I was preparing

1482
01:31:06,399 --> 01:31:09,600
mostly for this dream, so I have to finish it.

1483
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:14,760
I did get a sizeable portion in, but ultimately I

1484
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:15,840
have to sleep as well.

1485
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 4: Who farted his opponent? The squeaky guy, the squeaky moles

1486
01:31:21,039 --> 01:31:21,800
mole sounding guy.

1487
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:26,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy got into a lot of trouble for

1488
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,159
racially abusing some Chinese Christians.

1489
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:39,520
Speaker 5: Che there are good sides to him. Your job, job,

1490
01:31:41,359 --> 01:31:42,439
redeeming qualities.

1491
01:31:47,319 --> 01:31:52,039
Speaker 4: Uh in a timesta. Go to Jay's social media. He

1492
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,239
did a pretty good job of putting it on every

1493
01:31:55,359 --> 01:31:56,119
single one.

1494
01:31:56,079 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 5: Of his accounts, like goes into the gym and like

1495
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:03,960
plays it on the TV.

1496
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 4: Part poor guy. All as fart is all as fart

1497
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:09,760
is all as fart like any human part.

1498
01:32:10,279 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 5: Uh actually doesn't have an anus? Oh right, right, right,

1499
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,279
there's the difference between Adam.

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01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 4: And Oh really, Oh it's serious. Oh you're not even

1501
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,600
being facetious. Well, I can't even tell. I can't even

1502
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,520
tell when when Pasha is refuting Islam. I don't know

1503
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,720
when he's being sarcastic or not. That's how bad Islam is.

1504
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 5: You have no idea how, and I will introduce it

1505
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:37,920
to you and Andrew if.

1506
01:32:38,279 --> 01:32:41,159
Speaker 4: Was oh yeah, we should do. That's a party. Are

1507
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:44,279
you kidding me? Four of us watching like looking over

1508
01:32:44,359 --> 01:32:46,159
the most funny things about Islam?

1509
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Do you know how horrible it

1510
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,279
is for me to have all of these in mind

1511
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:54,760
right now and not be able to.

1512
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,319
Speaker 4: Not say them. No, no, don't room y.

1513
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 5: I gotta secause I believe the better.

1514
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:08,520
Speaker 4: Creating in its Actually I want to go over that

1515
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,920
real quick. Before we finish up the this seems to

1516
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,159
be fatal. The question is the is the Quran uncreated?

1517
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:20,279
Because they view similar to a Protestant who sees the

1518
01:33:20,359 --> 01:33:24,800
Bible as some sort of like uh, immaterial eternal feature

1519
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:28,800
of reality that just happens to materialize itself with no

1520
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:33,439
tradition or history. Similarly, are you saying that the when

1521
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,840
you ask, when we ask is the Quran uncreated, we're

1522
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,399
asking a similar question right where we're saying, like, is

1523
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:47,000
this thing itself, uh, the the revelator, the reflector of

1524
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:49,640
revelation itself as an item, as an object.

1525
01:33:50,319 --> 01:33:53,119
Speaker 3: I'll explain the logic to you, just because Jay says

1526
01:33:53,239 --> 01:33:57,039
there are actual thought or deeds. So there's one where

1527
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:04,159
that ravon Show Jay where the chip runs away from

1528
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:10,239
hearing Muslim prayers and farts do not hear them? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1529
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,560
no no no no no no no no no, no

1530
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:19,199
like that exactly. There is a deep that has been

1531
01:34:19,239 --> 01:34:22,720
popularized recently that the eyes of the leather straps of

1532
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:27,520
the anus okay, which means that while you're awake, you

1533
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,119
know you have control.

1534
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 4: Over the demons come unto your butt. Right, that's a

1535
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:33,319
weak spot.

1536
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 3: It's that while you're sleeping, you could fart, and unless

1537
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:44,239
you do your ablutions, like your ritual cleansings, your prayer

1538
01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:47,479
won't count. That's why when you wake up you have

1539
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,960
to do your ablutions, because you might have farted in

1540
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:51,239
during your sleep.

1541
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,600
Speaker 5: Okay, so far, very important.

1542
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:59,399
Speaker 4: Okay Alas Messenger said in the When There, when they're

1543
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,479
don is pronounced, Satan takes to his heels and pass

1544
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,039
his wind. Satan farts with noise during his flight in

1545
01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:09,840
order to not hear the Adam. So there he is, yep,

1546
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:12,680
fart defense.

1547
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:16,159
Speaker 5: He attribute.

1548
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 10: How do you?

1549
01:35:17,399 --> 01:35:18,159
Speaker 5: How do you teach that?

1550
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:20,119
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the kind of thing like you know,

1551
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:22,479
like like if we were in like divine liturgy and

1552
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,720
our priests was all and then God, you know, farting

1553
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,560
to make sure you don't hear ship, we wouldn't even

1554
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,239
know what to do with it. Like like that's just

1555
01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:34,359
like now now there is. The Muslims would say, that's

1556
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,479
not fair. We don't accept all the hadiths because these

1557
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,600
are sort of like these higher uh, this kind of

1558
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,399
an elected symposium of smarty pants people looking back right,

1559
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,039
you know, to be fair, The hadiths is a collection

1560
01:35:47,279 --> 01:35:52,319
right of of reflection or philosophical reflection on the Quran, right,

1561
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:56,039
is that is that accurate? It's like a it's like

1562
01:35:56,119 --> 01:35:57,760
a post sort of.

1563
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 5: Very post Kuranic because okay, yeah, I have this guy

1564
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,319
called the teeth.

1565
01:36:07,239 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 4: That's good.

1566
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 3: Uh, this guy called Bohari al Bahari, and I can't

1567
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,399
remembers one or two centuries after Muhammad.

1568
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 5: He goes from basically Central Asia.

1569
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 4: The sorry, sorry, go ahead.

1570
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 5: So he goes over to a saudio not Saudi Arabia.

1571
01:36:34,279 --> 01:36:36,199
Speaker 4: But philosophy fair enough.

1572
01:36:36,319 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he collects the oral traditions and there's a

1573
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,600
whole methodology as to how reliable it is, you know,

1574
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,159
the chain of narrations, like this guy's Muhammad said this,

1575
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,399
and he said it to this guy. This guy said

1576
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:55,119
it to this guy what they called the chain of narration,

1577
01:36:58,039 --> 01:37:01,000
and that's how you get you you know, the grading system,

1578
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,640
you know, and sometimes in the chain of narration, there's

1579
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,439
a guy who's known to be unreliable, so you rejected.

1580
01:37:09,039 --> 01:37:14,439
The gradacious system is basically you've got four potentially four

1581
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:19,560
and a half gradings, So you've got the rejected ones.

1582
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 5: I can't remember the world for that. Something with the

1583
01:37:22,119 --> 01:37:22,840
starts with an M.

1584
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:31,039
Speaker 3: Then you've got the weak ones called dai, which means

1585
01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:34,600
you know, we're not too sure, but it gets a

1586
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:39,000
passing grade. You know, this is very important because people

1587
01:37:39,159 --> 01:37:43,920
tell you, oh, that day, we don't have to believe that. Meanwhile,

1588
01:37:44,359 --> 01:37:48,479
you no, you actually do. It's just that it's not

1589
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:53,439
as reliable as the next one, which is hassan, which

1590
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:58,399
means good. So it's pretty solid, you know. Then you

1591
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:04,239
get sahei, which means sound, and that's for proof. That

1592
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:08,319
gets an a as far as gradings go. And I

1593
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:11,640
said four and a half because you have a subset

1594
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:19,680
of sahih hadiz called mota water, which means repeated. Okay,

1595
01:38:20,039 --> 01:38:21,960
so you get them from multiple sources.

1596
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:24,359
Speaker 5: They align. So it's.

1597
01:38:27,279 --> 01:38:32,359
Speaker 3: So you have scholars who say rejecting water is like

1598
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:36,800
rejecting a versus the Koran. And then obviously you get

1599
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:41,920
the Quran. You also have like sonas, which is so

1600
01:38:42,279 --> 01:38:45,039
means life. That's where you give the terms sunny because

1601
01:38:45,039 --> 01:38:49,520
they're following the son I think that's how it's said,

1602
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:53,279
the life of the profit of Alah. Right, so that's

1603
01:38:53,359 --> 01:38:56,039
why they dress a certain way, they behave a certain

1604
01:38:56,119 --> 01:39:00,520
way because they're emulating the life of Muhammad. Right, That's

1605
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:05,600
what Sunni means Ali, which means the followers are Ali.

1606
01:39:06,199 --> 01:39:09,079
That's a different thing, but that's where you get. You

1607
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:12,039
also have the sears, which are the commentaries on on

1608
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:17,359
on these topics. But his how it works in practice.

1609
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,680
It can be any of the grades except the rejected,

1610
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,600
if it works in their favor, like, oh, Mohammad fed

1611
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:27,840
like a starving.

1612
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:32,560
Speaker 5: Wolf for no warriors. But oh, this is great, this

1613
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:33,760
is just prutful hope.

1614
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:35,359
Speaker 4: If that's true.

1615
01:39:36,199 --> 01:39:39,039
Speaker 5: Muhammad was apparently a red head, that.

1616
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:42,600
Speaker 4: Makes definitely false if he was a redhead.

1617
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:47,079
Speaker 3: Related to Elizabeth. I've heard that it was a process

1618
01:39:47,159 --> 01:39:52,039
of dyeing your beard. You have certain clerics who do

1619
01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:52,880
that nowadays.

1620
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 4: Why because it's like a holy color or something.

1621
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:58,520
Speaker 5: I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

1622
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,520
Speaker 3: Obviously, you could say like red was associated with royalty,

1623
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:08,319
which is why when you look at our iconography you

1624
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:14,399
see Christ where has red underneath blue over that because

1625
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:17,880
he is God who has taken on humanity.

1626
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,279
Speaker 5: And then with the.

1627
01:40:22,279 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 3: Theotokos, she wears blue underneath and red over because she's human,

1628
01:40:28,279 --> 01:40:32,039
but has been granted this royal status as the mother

1629
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:37,560
of God, the queen Mother by you know, it's granted,

1630
01:40:39,319 --> 01:40:45,840
but I'm not sure that's just a slightly important speculations.

1631
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 4: Have not said to make fun of Oh no, oh,

1632
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,359
you're saying, like our joke about the Islam. No, we're

1633
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:54,119
making light of Islam. Okay, we're not making light of

1634
01:40:54,279 --> 01:40:56,119
the Holy Liturgy or anything else.

1635
01:40:56,279 --> 01:41:00,640
Speaker 5: I mean you would have to go argue with the

1636
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prophet Elijah.

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01:41:07,159 --> 01:41:11,520
Speaker 4: We're fully making fun of Islam. We're not just because

1638
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:15,680
we're using a reference. We're making fun of their iteration

1639
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:16,479
of these things.

1640
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:21,159
Speaker 3: Okay, Right, so that people draw conclusions, oh, he was

1641
01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:28,800
a redhead, I sincerely do that Not impossible because you've

1642
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:33,199
got this Indo European strand going from all the way

1643
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:34,239
to northern India.

1644
01:41:34,399 --> 01:41:38,079
Speaker 5: So possible. But the courage.

1645
01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 3: Not particularly known what what is very emphasized in the

1646
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,000
hoodie that he was very very white.

1647
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,560
Speaker 4: Are there even any historical references of very powerful people

1648
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:54,199
who were redheads and had that very irritated skin? Look,

1649
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:56,840
Genghis Khan was a red head.

1650
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 3: Barbarossa, uh Friedrich Barbarossa, the Emperor the Holy Roman Empire.

1651
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,159
Barbarossa is literally Italian for red beard.

1652
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:12,600
Speaker 5: So he D Sims in our chat.

1653
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:17,039
Speaker 4: D Sims is the only one I like that I

1654
01:42:17,159 --> 01:42:17,399
know of.

1655
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:24,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there are some I suppose, and you know

1656
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:31,239
the Irish. So as long again, there's a very silly religion.

1657
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:33,680
That's why I want to.

1658
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:36,279
Speaker 3: Make it like a fun thing, because there are there

1659
01:42:36,359 --> 01:42:39,079
are silly aspects that aren't particularly fun.

1660
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well let me know in advance, because I

1661
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:44,840
can animate too, Like if there's any like a break

1662
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,560
time that I can make an animation that could potentially

1663
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:51,960
get us killed, I should should we should do that?

1664
01:42:52,319 --> 01:42:54,359
Because I can do that. You just got to give

1665
01:42:54,399 --> 01:42:56,640
me a heads up, like maybe there's like a little

1666
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:59,239
section of a minute that I can make something or.

1667
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll have to calculate it without consulting you, because

1668
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,680
I'd have to tell you what you need to know

1669
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,239
without your knowing whether you are.

1670
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:11,119
Speaker 4: Yeah without me, well you might have to forfeit me

1671
01:43:11,279 --> 01:43:13,680
laughing one to one on the phone with you, and

1672
01:43:14,279 --> 01:43:16,520
I'll laugh again, of course, like you won't ruin.

1673
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 5: The experience watching with friends. But I'll pick some out

1674
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,680
I can give it, like general spoilers, like you have

1675
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:34,359
no idea, how glorious their idea of how babies are born?

1676
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

1677
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 5: Because women have to wait. I can't wait there's a

1678
01:43:39,039 --> 01:43:40,520
male sperm and the female spam.

1679
01:43:41,399 --> 01:43:47,079
Speaker 4: That's it's actually, it's actually funny because I just I

1680
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:50,600
was thinking of a game where while you were talking,

1681
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:53,840
I was playing a game with myself on Google trying

1682
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,800
to write hadif about X whatever it is, and sperm

1683
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:01,079
was one of the things I inserted, like headeth about sperm,

1684
01:44:01,319 --> 01:44:05,319
hardeeth about donkeys, hoodeeth about it's called hardeeth about is

1685
01:44:05,399 --> 01:44:07,600
the game I play and I see if it comes

1686
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:09,720
up as something. I think it's a fun game.

1687
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 5: They have collections of it, you.

1688
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 4: Know, so be like a home board game teeth or not?

1689
01:44:17,319 --> 01:44:18,600
Is this in her teeth or not?

1690
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:19,039
Speaker 10: Right?

1691
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:22,159
Speaker 4: You read something ridiculous like there's no way, there's no way.

1692
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:25,760
You're like, oh, it actually is. Everyone drinks, you know.

1693
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:27,359
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.

1694
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,399
Speaker 3: And by the way, all the things about like sex

1695
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,680
and drinking and stuff that are prohibited are prohibited at

1696
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:34,159
the moment.

1697
01:44:34,279 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 4: No, no, no, this is coping. If you're defending right now. No,

1698
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:39,239
we're not talking about liquid. We didn't say liquid. No,

1699
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:40,439
did we say liquid?

1700
01:44:41,239 --> 01:44:45,600
Speaker 3: Liquids that come together and make a child, and it

1701
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:49,399
determines which one comes first, determines whom the child will resemble.

1702
01:44:50,319 --> 01:44:54,479
And this isn't this did exist in surrounding cultures.

1703
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 4: By the way, blood is liquid too, so I mean

1704
01:44:57,119 --> 01:44:59,399
you're trying to reduce it to something more broad.

1705
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 5: The male sperm you can call.

1706
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,119
Speaker 4: It the are you he's saying it's he's saying you're

1707
01:45:07,239 --> 01:45:10,119
using the term sperm, and it's really they're using the

1708
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:10,800
term liquid.

1709
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:11,479
Speaker 5: Is that what it is?

1710
01:45:12,359 --> 01:45:16,079
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Sperm basically means seed. I this was

1711
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:21,479
my famous statement when I was on Jay's stream. No

1712
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,359
one confuses like sperm meaning seed. No one's going to

1713
01:45:24,399 --> 01:45:25,640
say Johnny Apple sperm.

1714
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,399
Speaker 4: They should they should.

1715
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:31,039
Speaker 5: Now on technically you could, but in English that's not

1716
01:45:31,159 --> 01:45:34,039
how it works. But sperm basically means seed. So there's

1717
01:45:34,119 --> 01:45:35,600
a so you can call it the.

1718
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:39,199
Speaker 3: Liquid, but it's a seminus liquid, you know, something that

1719
01:45:39,319 --> 01:45:43,479
has to do with reproduction. And it describes that the

1720
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:47,359
male seed is thick and white, the female seed is

1721
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:53,880
thin and yellow. So they're basically describing urine and one

1722
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:59,920
of the sperm one of the fame favorite words. Since

1723
01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:06,000
we're enumerting your best friends the Lord king, so basically

1724
01:46:06,079 --> 01:46:09,079
describing squirting as as some type of seminal fluid.

1725
01:46:09,159 --> 01:46:13,279
Speaker 4: So it's ancient so the modern take, you know, unfortunately,

1726
01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:19,000
we're we're, we're we're basically undated with it online. But

1727
01:46:19,159 --> 01:46:23,960
there's this, there's this this myth of quote squirting or

1728
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:26,880
whatever it's, you know, and it's been pissed all along.

1729
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,680
And what you're saying it sounds like posh. Now, I

1730
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,439
don't want to falsely accuse you of this, but it

1731
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,640
sounds like you're blaming Islam for this myth.

1732
01:46:35,319 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 5: I may or may not. I'm going to maintain wait

1733
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:43,239
until next week when but it says that they come together,

1734
01:46:43,399 --> 01:46:45,000
and that's how you start avy.

1735
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:49,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that?

1736
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 5: Is that?

1737
01:46:50,199 --> 01:46:51,119
Speaker 4: Male or female?

1738
01:46:51,159 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 5: We don't know, do we?

1739
01:46:52,199 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 10: I know?

1740
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 3: But embryology is definitely like reliant on like very ancient

1741
01:46:57,079 --> 01:46:58,079
medicinal knowledge.

1742
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:00,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is umbressed just as it's a.

1743
01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:04,680
Speaker 3: Fun part so I can say it here. Yeah, it

1744
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:08,319
also gets where they stem from. But just so you know,

1745
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,800
just so you know, male sperm does not come from

1746
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:17,399
the testicles. That's that's what idiots think comes from the

1747
01:47:18,319 --> 01:47:20,760
now interesting that this is what Islam teaches. But when

1748
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,279
they got African slaves, they knew how to castrate.

1749
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 4: Interesting, that's a weird thing to do. When the first

1750
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:28,720
premise is true.

1751
01:47:29,279 --> 01:47:30,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but.

1752
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 3: Back to this, which isn't again, this isn't fun. It's

1753
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,239
a bit sad because that's how they got the knowledge.

1754
01:47:37,319 --> 01:47:39,439
But it shows how ridiculous it is.

1755
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:40,039
Speaker 5: They say that.

1756
01:47:42,079 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 3: That's basically at the start of the process of the

1757
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,720
formation of human being in the womb.

1758
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 5: It's a blood clot.

1759
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,399
Speaker 3: And then it develops on and on, you know, sids

1760
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:58,960
getting bones in the meat on the bones. The reason

1761
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,399
I say it's sad is because a lot of these

1762
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:07,239
speculations stem from a knowledge of miscarriages, you know, and

1763
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:12,560
after you see what comes out, you know, after a miscarriage.

1764
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 5: You know, you sort of have to work with that.

1765
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:27,000
So they squirting is from the hearts. More ridiculous than that.

1766
01:48:27,079 --> 01:48:29,439
It's so random. No one's going to guess it unless

1767
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:32,560
you cheat and look it up right or no, it

1768
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,199
already but you couldn't guess for the life of you.

1769
01:48:36,119 --> 01:48:40,159
Neither could I. But basically they get this.

1770
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:44,159
Speaker 3: You have Greek writings on this, you have Persian writings

1771
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:46,840
on this. You know, they basically have an idea that

1772
01:48:47,039 --> 01:48:52,600
because if both animals and human beings have miscarriages, you

1773
01:48:52,760 --> 01:49:00,560
get this, you know, rejected fetus and it's just bloody

1774
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:04,680
and gory, and that's they somehow deduce from that or

1775
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:07,239
try to reverse engineer. Okay, so it started like some

1776
01:49:07,319 --> 01:49:11,119
type of blood and then develops more and more, and

1777
01:49:11,359 --> 01:49:13,319
if it fails at a certain point, you know, we

1778
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:15,640
get this. But if it fully gets to the point

1779
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:21,600
of development, then we get a human being, which is

1780
01:49:22,079 --> 01:49:25,920
not something I would say. Oh, so the Greeks will

1781
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:30,319
retarded because they couldn't figure it out. No, but the Quran,

1782
01:49:31,039 --> 01:49:33,720
which claims that it starts through a blood clot, the

1783
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:38,359
Quran doesn't claim to be the musings of Greek philosophers

1784
01:49:39,159 --> 01:49:45,760
or Persians or Indians or whomever whoever. It claims to

1785
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:49,319
be the revelation of an old knowing God. So that's

1786
01:49:49,359 --> 01:49:50,279
a problem for Islam.

1787
01:49:51,319 --> 01:49:53,119
Speaker 4: Did you have this one planned? I hate to ruin

1788
01:49:53,159 --> 01:49:55,960
all your jokes ahead of time, posh, But if a

1789
01:49:56,039 --> 01:49:57,800
man has sex with a sheep and one of the

1790
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:01,760
thought was that sheep gives birth to a human, if

1791
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,560
that's the case, if that happens, he can lead prayers.

1792
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:06,439
Are you saying the sheep could lead prayers or the

1793
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:11,159
man who who actually produced a child through a sheep

1794
01:50:11,239 --> 01:50:14,000
could lead prayers. I'm hard to tell.

1795
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 3: That that's not something I know. I'll have to look

1796
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:21,560
it up because there are passages. Again, I won't be

1797
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,359
including like gross gross.

1798
01:50:23,319 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 4: Things, yeah, just funny general.

1799
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:27,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I want to give it light.

1800
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:29,880
Speaker 3: But there is like, oh, you have to do this

1801
01:50:30,039 --> 01:50:32,119
ritual if you have sex with a camel or something

1802
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,840
going on on the hudge all right, the pilgrimage.

1803
01:50:37,239 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 4: If you happen did need to have sex with a camel,

1804
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:44,279
make sure to make these preparations correct. Point is that

1805
01:50:44,279 --> 01:50:45,680
where camel skin came from.

1806
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:46,720
Speaker 5: Uh.

1807
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:53,680
Speaker 3: But there's a point which Mohammed says, he sees a

1808
01:50:54,119 --> 01:50:57,000
very good looking woman and so there's a lot to

1809
01:50:57,079 --> 01:51:00,199
cheat on his wife. He runs to his wife, who is, uh,

1810
01:51:01,239 --> 01:51:06,920
they're dealing with leather production, which in wolves done for

1811
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:10,119
those who don't know, and you're, okay, that's what people have,

1812
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:13,840
so I'm not saying they were primitive. That's something nowadays

1813
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,279
can deal with due to advanced chemistry.

1814
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:25,199
Speaker 5: And he just goes on at her. Oh God, just

1815
01:51:26,119 --> 01:51:30,319
when is this one of the most disgusting smells you

1816
01:51:30,359 --> 01:51:31,479
could imagine? What is.

1817
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 8: Like the leather production, the leather working, like the leather tanning.

1818
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,439
I suppose that's what my last name is posh. It's

1819
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:43,199
an insult to me. What that my last name?

1820
01:51:43,239 --> 01:51:46,039
Speaker 4: My real last name is leather worker in Italian.

1821
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 5: Oh, I never can remember your last name, Terry.

1822
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tell you that. I didn't tell you the

1823
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:00,239
time I went to Italy and I I ran down

1824
01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:03,239
the town and I kept running into these little little

1825
01:52:03,279 --> 01:52:05,000
shops that had my name on it, and I showed

1826
01:52:05,039 --> 01:52:08,880
to show the shop owner my license. That's like equivalent

1827
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,600
to coming to America and going into a Ralph's. Posh,

1828
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:14,279
you don't know. Ralph's is just basically grocery store and

1829
01:52:14,399 --> 01:52:17,279
bragging to the clerk that your your name is Ralph.

1830
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:18,319
It's meaningless.

1831
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:24,279
Speaker 5: It's American to go, yes, look at my name.

1832
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 4: It means you're the name of your store.

1833
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1834
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 4: They're just like, get out of here, dude. Yeah, well

1835
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:38,800
that's good to know. We need to come up with

1836
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:40,560
a good name of this stream. It's gonna be on

1837
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:45,760
your channel correct, Yeah, okay, good. So potentially me, you,

1838
01:52:46,199 --> 01:52:53,640
Andrew and and Jay uh manifesting absurd hadith's and references

1839
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:57,520
perhaps in the Quran and maybe adding some visuals to it,

1840
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:00,479
you know, yours truly will help with that.

1841
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:05,560
Speaker 3: So there's one I wouldn't include for the disgustingness. But

1842
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:10,239
he says nothing can make water impure. So there's an

1843
01:53:10,279 --> 01:53:15,000
episode where he does his ablution in like a like

1844
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:18,399
a pit that's full of water, but also where you

1845
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:21,960
have corpses of dogs and like where people where women

1846
01:53:22,079 --> 01:53:23,479
throw their menstrual rags.

1847
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 5: So he's like, that's it's not even menstrual rags. Both stop.

1848
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:44,399
Speaker 3: Uh he's washing himself with that and people, what are

1849
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:48,199
you doing? He says, nothing can make water impure. He

1850
01:53:48,239 --> 01:53:51,680
also has a theory that you don't have infectious diseases

1851
01:53:52,079 --> 01:53:53,840
because how will we get the first disease?

1852
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:54,960
Speaker 5: Right?

1853
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:57,039
Speaker 4: Actually, it makes me want to look now that I

1854
01:53:57,159 --> 01:53:59,800
have this this thing called I want to start in

1855
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:02,960
app the hadith says could you believe it? Or something

1856
01:54:03,039 --> 01:54:10,199
like that hadith about drinking urine? I mean we can

1857
01:54:10,279 --> 01:54:12,039
just go that's fair.

1858
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:17,560
Speaker 5: Right, different? Different? Yeah, different, including a w h R

1859
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:25,000
but who cas but different like charities and like doctors,

1860
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:29,600
boarders whatever. I had to say, please stop drinking count.

1861
01:54:30,359 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 4: Right, stop it please? Not yeah or not that's a

1862
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:37,680
good one, critic, that's the one that's good. Either not downloaded,

1863
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:40,319
it's free on the app, you knoweth or not you

1864
01:54:40,399 --> 01:54:45,000
have to vote, right, can you imagine like like, well,

1865
01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:48,000
the problem is with given time, people would just memorize

1866
01:54:48,039 --> 01:54:49,239
too much and it would.

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Speaker 5: Like it have it would have a shelf life quickly,

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and we have to get someone like Sam.

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Speaker 4: Right right, right, But imagine the rating like how many

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you got right? And people are high rating on the

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app as like people they're like, oh, ship, you got

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like a thousand and twenty.

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Speaker 5: On whether you want to poast it because maybe it

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can't go right in.

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Speaker 4: Your name preparing for sex with camel.

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Speaker 5: And here's the thing, here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: These these people like Hockey Kachu and Jaida Jars, like

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they wanted to think that Islam is about monotheism. VI

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you just accept one God, you know, Yeah, that's it.

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That's that's that's very manipulative. Yeah, no, this is the

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argument that was Rachel retweeted my response to Lauren Chen. Yeah,

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but Lauren n saying, oh do you know that Arab

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Christians called God a lah?

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Speaker 5: So you shouldn't make fun of a lot like and

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im not nothing personal against Lauren Chen, like she she

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is getting progressively more based.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's still a female though, so she can never

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make the full jump.

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Speaker 5: He's like half Slanti. That's just one of them. Okay,

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we're not going to get banned for anti Semitism, but

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we're working on any other.

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Speaker 4: I want why want Lauren Chen come on my podcast?

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I don't know, m.

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Speaker 5: All right, she's half.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, let's make Let's make a video so

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everyone knows how to defend.

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Speaker 5: Disposition?

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. Did you watch the stream on dispensation? It

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was really serious, really rigorous, really in depth.

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Speaker 5: Jay was on.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Did you stick around when Jay left though?

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I don't know. I don't know what happened there.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have to private this and then cut off.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna chop. It's gonna just be an abrupt chop

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when Jay Ley and'll be like, all right, got some

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stuff coming up in Nashville.

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Speaker 5: You gotta you're gonna pop up? You sure you want

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to continue? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, would you like to continue? Please check? You know, please?

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Is this a rope?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Please select where a bike is on the image?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Maybe maybe you will need to actually chop it

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up as to be shareable. That's true, because we're getting

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into like, what four hours.

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Speaker 4: It's insane. So it's so counterintuitive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. So when someone sends me like four hours,

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was like, i'd better be just look at it. What

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are you kidding me? And and then I need to think,

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like like, if I'm going to the gym, I might.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll chop that part off, make that members

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only and be like I'd need this section where Pash

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and Jimbaber kind of drunk making fun of Asian people.

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The most important part of it about the dispensationalist. Amazing,

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really in depth informative.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So back to the point she was talking about

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a lot, and I said, made the point about bail.

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You know, bail just means Lord, and worshiping bail means

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sacrificing children. Allah is Lord, It's one of his titles.

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So sacrificing children to bail is worshiping a lot, right right, Logically,

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this is the logic we're going with. And people started

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disputing with me, and then someone from from our community, yeah,

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just agreed, you know, and I came up with another,

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uh example.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jimbob, I found this, you know,

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it was just on your computer and it says it says, uh,

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sex with camels drinking urine.

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Speaker 4: What to Islam. What does Maslam say about semens prep

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it's preparation for stream with Posh. With Posh, I swear.

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Speaker 5: With Andrew, it's more believable with yah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe that's the trick of Islam tricking Christians into

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looking up really messed up ship.

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Speaker 5: Standing in the bi.

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Speaker 4: Only camels.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I know where David would an apostive prophet.

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Speaker 3: There's a common commentator like a regular yeah runs who

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goes by only goats.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've seen that so yeah, so it's been done

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with goats.

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Speaker 4: The rapture. It's going to happen by the time the

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stream is over.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Basically if we keep talking like.

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Speaker 5: This is now saying Jesus come quickly right right, yet

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they stop?

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Speaker 4: May get stop? Okay where it is?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, is there anything else, Posh? We should close

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this out? I hope not.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for the support. New members, Thank you. Shout out

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to everyone who bob chatted super Chatted and became a member.

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Anyone who bought something unmade by jimbob dot com. The

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memes keep coming, the streams make the memes, apparently, Posh

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and I will announce I'll talk with them offline when

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we set a date. I think, posh, we should set

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it at least a week ahead of time, if not more,

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because of the anticipation of such a funny concept and

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the kind of ship we're going to get back from.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, in the stream, I constantly think, okay, maybe

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we should add this. Maybe it's too much, So I'm

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ridiculous in that manner.

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Speaker 4: No, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be highly populated stream. Jab,

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can you look up Sarah sixty five in the Koran

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and tell us what you think it says, Well, well.

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Speaker 5: It's already been addressed on this channel with what is it?

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Sam Fellow because it talks about divorce and it says

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when you can divorce. So for women who menstruate, you

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have to wait three menstrual cycles, okay. And for those

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who are too old to menstruate and those who have

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not yet menstruate it the wait period is three months.

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Speaker 4: So they're assuming that your wife is pre menstrual, which means.

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Speaker 3: Pre it's gonna be any of them, so at least

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they've got that. But someone I know, Muhammed Hijab, went

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to a speaker's corner and started arguing with people who

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are what they call Koran only Muslims and quoted this

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Aya means verse, sorrow means chapter. He says it allows

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for a severe form of pedophilure. So that's how he's

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trying to defend the hardth. He says, you need hardith

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to stop this. Herd eth are not much better, but

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there is no lower limit. So it says, you know,

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those who are too old or those who have not

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yet menstruated, And all the commentaries are clear that it's

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about too young to have, you know, a chieved maturity

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physically to start.

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Speaker 5: So you don't have to look it up. I know

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that one. It's a very famous one.

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Speaker 4: You want to, Oh, I see you were You wanted

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me to just look it up and kind of react.

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Sorry about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we had someone trying to filibuster that interpretation, but

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it's very clear.

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Speaker 3: It's just people who who will tell you if it's

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if we don't have to accept it, it's not the Quran.

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But when it's the Krano will mangle it up to

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make it seem like it's not saying what it's saying.

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Speaker 4: Posh, do you think arguing against Islam or arguing against

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atheism are they do you think that two are equal

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in priority because I'm I've been I've been struggling with

2012
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this because I have such a fun niche of just

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attacking atheism because it's so stupid. But now you're proving

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that there's something actually dumber than that, Oh that happens

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to be more cohesive somehow. Isn't that interesting that like,

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something dumber can be more hesive because it.

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Speaker 3: Gets dogmatic and dogma allows for cohesion. Atheism is just like, well,

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there's no.

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Speaker 4: God, empirical dogma, that's it.

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Speaker 5: You can be a pine Creek doug. Yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: You can also be you know, some complete degenerate. So

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that's why we talk about cohesion because that's the only

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claim of atheism. It doesn't mean although most of them

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end up some type of ridiculous progressive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have to.

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Speaker 3: You can be just the most you know, either a

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racialist or sexist or whatever type of person. It has

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no bearing on it.

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Speaker 5: You would have to take a separate position in order

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to fight for or against.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you agree with this statement? Is it easier

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because I talked about this and I actually took the

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opposite approach, But I don't know, is my impulse it

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was like I thought it was harder, might be harder

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to convert a Muslim because you're you're really probably talking

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about a whole history inherited view of dogma that's much

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harder to get over than let's say, an apathetic atheist

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who's is kind of like bitchy about gods in general.

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But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe because someone presupposes God, it's

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easier to make a bridge than someone who presupposes non God.

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I actually don't even know how to come to the

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conclusion about this.

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Speaker 3: I think I think it's a pointless thing to ponder

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because if someone comes from a strict Muslim family and

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from a Muslim family, as I said earlier on when

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Jay was on, like they have a sense of duty

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towards their family, they have a fear of retaliation potentially

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because apostasy is punishable by death, and that can even

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affect the family, not you know, maybe mob violence or something.

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I don't believe it's prescribed to you know, punish the family,

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but it might happen, you know, by osmosis or something.

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But again, if you have some well Muslim you know,

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which is a lot of them, like here in Serbia,

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Muslim we have a part that is majority of muslim I.

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Basically they don't eat pork and that's about it. They

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get wasted all the time, so alcohol isn't.

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Speaker 5: Even the thing.

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Speaker 3: But you know, a person like that we had I

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was on with Garrett Dawn a couple of weeks ago

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and we had this guy who grew up Muslim in

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Bosnia moved to London to work and we had to

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talk with him, and he was very open to it

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because it didn't grow up in a dogmatic family. As

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long as it's rather pacified in our parts because we

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went through communism and communism clammed down and religiosity and

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with the resurgence of Christianity with Orthodoxy, it doesn't produce

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you know, like extremism. It can, but it usually has

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to be paired with like nationalism.

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Speaker 4: Or wait a second, hold on, posh. I think this

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might be the first thing we really disagree with. What's

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wrong with extremism.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying there's wrong, something morally wrong potentially, because

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it would have to depend on what you view as moderate,

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and that's going to and even moderates can be extreme

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if you think it's a moderate position to trans the children.

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I think you will be extremist.

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Speaker 3: I think the properly moderate thing would be okay, if

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there are children struggling with the gender identity. You know,

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it could be a lot of factors, you know, lack

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of a father figure or a mother figure, some type

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of trauma or something. So yes, I think it's I

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think another extreme would be just you know, it's not

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beating the child or something, just enforce it, you know,

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by ignoring the fact that there's probably something wrong it

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needs to be helped and healed. But when we're talking

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about Islamic extremism or even like it's Orthodox extremism, would

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be like monasticism.

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Speaker 4: Right, right, there's no other way because it wouldn't be

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based in h immediacy. Cultural revolution kind of like stuff.

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Speaker 3: Right, you can form a certain type of zealotry with

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if you combine it with a certain type of nationalism.

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Speaker 4: Zeal like if you took an Orthodox zeal like New

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Convert zeal instead of going to the church, they took

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their zeal and impaired it with like a groper.

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Speaker 5: Exactly. If you orthodoxy is like a cultural marker, hm.

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You know, you follow, you know, you go to church

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and everything, but like the theology doesn't particularly matter. Matter

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is just what you are, what you subscribe to. Sure,

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and I think it's outstandingly.

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Speaker 3: Improper to go yeah, and Zealots were literally these types

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of people, like people would kill Roman officials.

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Speaker 5: To try and get it.

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Speaker 4: I'd be a zealot, I honestly, you know. You know Peterson,

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there's a clip of him being like, I'm not sure

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what I would do under the circumstances. Sometimes when I

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look at the culture, I do have this, you know,

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the dark side of me goes. I may you know,

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given the right circumstances, I might actually be drawn to

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sort of active zelotry. I mean, just have to admit it.

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That's just how I feel now. I would like to

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fight it and like call Posh and Jay and my

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brothers and be like, hey, walk me out of this.

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But I'd be lying to say I didn't have like

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an impulse toward well, you know something, Sometimes you just

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want to take.

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Speaker 3: The you know, you just want to the thing people

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are saying in the comments in the chat zealot, I'm

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a zealot. That's because nowadays we see zeal as basically commitment,

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you know, and I strongly believe in this. I won't

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compromise it. That's not what Zelot meant. Now, that's just

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part of basically like a like a terrorist group speak.

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So unless you think you're going to be okay, shouldn't

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say it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe now I really have to edit the stream.

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Speaker 3: So unless you're thinking of going violent, Like you're not

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a zealot in the classical sense, but if you're a

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zealot in the modern sense, great, have all the zealan

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in the world for the Lord.

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Speaker 5: I support it.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, anything else you want, I'm gonna start

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shutting this down. I heard my family come back in.

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We have to go somewhere.

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Speaker 5: Lestally unaware you're saying of my own life.

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Speaker 4: Uh go follow the posh redneck over YouTube. We I

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will post it when he has a thumbnail. If you

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need help with that posh, I'd like to make a

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good thumbnail if you want for that stream. It's so funny.

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Speaker 5: Well we'll figure it out. If you say you need

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a week notice, we'll we'll do it for not the

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next week but the one after. Because it's so bloody hot,

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I can't do anything serious. It's literally like one hundred

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and ten. That's aximal, like seventy minimal disgusting. Just everything

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is sticky, and.

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Speaker 3: I might go live on the weekend talk about something less,

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less academic, like I've been thinking about how there are

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no more classes in the classical sense. We're all middle

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class basically just depends on how much money you make,

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because that's an interesting one you make.

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Speaker 5: That's that's what we've got.

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Speaker 3: But that's true, and people like Jimmy Dare and all

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these people are trying to we need to unite as

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a working class. Doesn't matter if you are a progressive

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or a Trump supporter. You know, we need to fight

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the system. And I'm thinking you can't really make a

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movement out of Hey, we make roughly the same amount

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of money.

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Speaker 4: Let's get together, right, Yeah, you can.

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Speaker 3: Make a negative case for fighting the system, but as

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I said, you, if you succeed now you have to

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implement a different system.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, we're all disagreeing, vehement.

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Speaker 4: It's so true. It's very true. I always say that

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you could never take the low class out of me,

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because if I'm certainly in Dad with a million dollars,

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I'll still be following the odd person around the party room.

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You know, Oh is that shrimp like classless, like just

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eating off of places.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but so many technology has changed so many historical

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realities that there is no thing is classes as as

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mocks would have described them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's good. We'll talk offline posh about the

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the the Islam. I think that's a hilarious idea. I

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don't think it's done quite. It hasn't really been done

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because most of it's so serious. Oh, let's debate his lom,

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let's get really into it. But this is gonna be.

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Speaker 5: I had a woman like ripped by camels because she

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was mocking him. Like, people go for that.

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Speaker 4: That's actually, actually that's pretty fun. That's actually see I

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find that funny. So we'll include that. Uh okay, so yeah,

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go follow the posh redneck shout out to Jade Eyer

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for jumping out. I appreciate that. I'll keep this up.

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I'll review it. I might repost sections so it's easily consumed.

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And and uh, I think that's it for me. I'm

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going to play us out with what I brought us

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in with, which is God bless you, Pasha, see you man, Machel.

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Speaker 8: HELLI I have a.

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Speaker 11: Little I made it out of play where it's trying Betty,

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it's been Dreda, I shall play f I made that

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out of play, And when it's trying Betty and Dreda,

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I shall play. It has a lovely body. It's with

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Lexo Short and Thinness. When when it is so tired,

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indress and then I went Adrad come made it out

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of play.

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Speaker 5: Where's trying by its bea.

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Speaker 11: Draino is always playful and loves to dance and spin

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a happy game of trail on complaint out It's begin tradle, cradle, traidle.

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Speaker 5: I've made it out of claim and when it's trying.

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Speaker 11: Cradle, I made it out of claims. And when it's trying,

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ready and read.

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Speaker 4: Audio. Friends, God bless you all,