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So if you guys have any question about wonder Man,
I will get to them. I'm gonna do my overall
and as we've said before, we've kind of changed it
where for most of the TV shows we don't do
a non spoiler section, but for this I will because
they dropped in a binch. So I'm gonna talk for
about ten fifteen minutes, maybe some minor spoils, but nothing
you haven't seen in a trailer. Uh. And then I
will go into spoilers. And there's not too much to
break down as far as the spoilers, to be honest,
it's an interesting show, an interest time, right, let me
get this going here Late Night Live, the good old days.
It's like the old traps told you right. But yeah,
so wonder Man. My excitement for this has been I
don't know, like I've honestly forgot about it many times,
forgot about it multiple times as it's leading up. I
was always a fan of the idea because a ya
a yev I love yahya a duel Medeene the second
yahya is amazing. He's one of I'm doing the march
Manness Best Actor draft or best Actor votes coming up
in like February and March, he might be on that
list of thirty two. We'll we'll see he's up there, right,
But I was always scited by that point. But it
kind of felt like Echo or Iron Hardware. Feels like
this wasn't a time where these shows were greenlit because
they just want a bunch of content on Disney Plus, right,
which made sense with Disney Plus launching, and Covid happened
the one to do a bunch of that. There. That's
where with this show. It's super interesting where And I said,
non sports, I did enjoy this show. The positives what
I talk about ya yah? The first Episode'm like, man,
I've not seen ya ya. I think for myself personally
since Auckaman two, he's just so damn good. There's just
little things like in my nickname the applied, it's a
minor spoiler, but he's talking to some about a script
and it's like a five minute conversation about the script
and how like he sees something that no one else sees.
And he said, oh, you know, like this is what
the script It says this, and like I don't think
it does and he said, well, I think it's implied.
And then he goes back like he just has little
line deliveries, which is funny because like the Simon Williams
characters about should I pronounce it this way or say
it like that? Like there's some fun kind of in
chronicity is there between the two characters. And I think
Yaya is is a real actor, so he's great, And
I think the it's a fun story, and I think
that the interesting thing is in itself as a pocket
just by itself. I enjoyed Wonder Man. It was a
good time. Like I said, I think Yaya was great.
I think there was some fun to be had. I
think that him and Ben Kingsley actually, like Trevor Slattery
and Simon Williams, has become one of my favorite MZU pairings.
Trevor Slattery is a character that I'm very much like.
In the middle we were talking about the discord where Mike,
you know, he said he wasn't a fan. I know
there's lots of people that aren't. Obviously he was in
Ironman three that short all Hail the King and then
shung she right. I think I've been like fifty to
fifty with him, fifty to fifty on Iroman three, fifty
to fifteen and sung she But I still like Ben Kingsley, right,
this is the best he is in this role because
they get to humanize him a little bit. Obviously he's
like the colead of this so and I thought it
wasn't Ed Harris supposed to be in the show at
some point. Is his agent? I don't know. I guess
that never happened, right, But that them as a duo
works really well. I think one thing they've kind of said, like, oh,
because the strikes and all this stuff, it's kind of
a shame the studio came out before us because we
tackle a lot of stuff. Eh, not really to me,
Like it is a show about a couple of characters
in Hollywood. But I feel like there's something where at
one point they're explaining to normal people hallback, yes, right.
I feel like this is the way where in the
studio sense, the studio breaks down, like goes deep into Hollywood,
goes deep in the stuff that US film nerds care
about or talk about. Right where I feel like the
stuff that's talked about in the show that's Hollywood is
very like ga stuff people that have no idea really
anything how Hollywood works, right, like, what's a call back?
What do you mean is that good? Like it's very even.
There's multiple characters that are very GA coded and stuff,
and that's fine, right, But I think it wasn't like
a situation where I saw this and went, oh, they
really did do the studio at like kind of a
studio s show and the studio beat them too. It
that sucks. It's kind of a bigger impact. I don't
think so. I don't think it's that clear in that
since there's some fun stuff, don't move me wrong. This
is a fun, enjoyable show. This is a show that
I don't know when I'm gonna watch it again. I
could watch it again in the future. I would love
more of these characters. But at the same point I
did put in the description here where I'm at like
a dividing point with this show, and it's more so
just from the business aspect and feeling as far as
when it was greenlit. It's interesting because it is what
they've said. It's a show that feels very much like
it does not need to be the MCU. It could
be more so in the boys, not in the sense
of like like gross like sexual and radar stuff. No
just in the sense of there's a storyline episode four
that feels very Boy's Code, where it's like, oh, we're
gonna focus on this character, tell the story and it
ends up in kind of a dark comedic fashion. Right
there's nothing. That's where it's tough because if I think
there's people that want different things from the MCU, but
I think it's a tough time right now for the
MCU because I think I've said it before that I
think they want to rely on some of their bigger characters.
They're bigger ips, and I think something like this in
the world where people are maybe expecting crossover or the connections,
there really is none of that. There is some callbacks
or some easter eggs. There's one in Spoiled the Top
about which is very fun, but it's nothing. It's not
earth shattering, it's not like it's not connecting to a
bunch of other projects. There's not even a post credit,
you know, like it is very much by itself. And
that's why for me, if the three things, I'd recommend
that if you're a Model fan, you just want all
I say, or at least, let's say, if you're a
Marvel fan, of want to watch something at least that
I would say good quality. That's that's there, right, because
I know there's tons of people that love the MSU.
But if it's you know, Rocky, maybe I'll skip that one.
I wouldn't say skip. If you like the Marvel universe,
there is you know, obviously Trevis Slattery's from it, and
then Simon Williams is a character Wonderman. Like, there is
some fun stuff, and I think the show overall is
good if you like yeah, yeah, I think it's good there.
And if you like just the Hollywood stuff, I think
or if you want to just like that, Like this
reminds me of like a one shot comic, you know,
where we're just looking at a small character inside the
Marvel universe, but it is very much off to the corner.
We really have nothing to do with anything. You could
put this in multiple timelines pretty much maybe until after
Sunshi at least, Like it's just kind of there, you know,
and that's where it's like, I do enjoy it, and
I would love more of especially these two characters together.
I don't know where we'll ever see them. I think
is the last time we could ever see wonder Man
to be honest, but that to me was the core
of the show that I thought they had really good
chemistry and it was such a fun buddy dynamic that
I thought they nailed that and hit that out of
the park. So there is reasons to watch it. But
if you are the person that is a fan of
the big events in the MCU or the cross over,
the connections, or if you like the oh how's this
gonna go on? This, this is not that. This really
has very I'll just say literally has nothing to do
with the MCU in a sense of the greater MCU. Right,
there's no lead up to doomsday, there's no like leading
to the next show or movie. It's just a another
character with superpowers in the world. It's not even like
Daredevil or Jessica Jones where it's like, oh, they're alluding
to the incident or they talk about thwart the ham.
It's it's not even that, you know, like you see
pictures of like other hero Sure, but it feels very
much by itself, so which I think is like a
from from me. I don't care because like, as long
as the show's good, that's fine. If it's a show
that's bad and has no connections. Then that's that's me
the ultimate worst thing because it's like, now, I really
watch this for nothing, right, but I enjoyed the show,
So as I said before, those are the people I'd
recommend it to. As far as for the future, this
is stuff that I'm like not trying to sound I
think this like denigrates the show show more than I
want it to. But I don't think the MCU can
make this type of content going forward. For the TV
shows of the movies, I don't think they can make
the oh well, this is kind of in the MCU,
but really have nothing. I think there's so many people
that want a story, or want those connections, or want
everything to line up. This doesn't do that. And maybe
you could do this with like an established character of
let's say they went okay, even Vision right, Vision was
in a successful show in Vendors movies. Let's say Vision.
Quest doesn't tie up with anything, right, it's just a
Vision story. I think that you could get away with
more because it is a bigger character, not one of
the atier characters, but still a bigger character that's like, Okay,
I'm gonna watch what Vision does because I really enjoy
this character. I think to me, if you're not really
connected to the MCU and you're not a character that's established,
that's a really tough sell for people, especially nowadays, when
one not everyone just jumps on anything Colm book wise,
you know. And two we've talked about some many times.
Stress told you there's so much content out there now
it's like, and that's the thing where for me, and
I'll give this score because of people, I know, this
just drops lots of people won't be getting the end
of or maybe they'll never will. For me, this is
a seven, So I enjoyed it. I also didn't think
it had like a big like a big moment I'm
gonna remember, I think from the trailers and honestly from
episode two, I think most people that consume a good
amount of movie and TV shows maybe even not could
you can tell this is gonna go, you know some
of the trailers. But like it's it's pretty formulating that way.
I think there's a couple of things that aren't. I
think there's some fun instances. Like I said, I think
episode four is a little bit different, but I'd say
where the main characters go, it's just you know, where
the story's going right, so there's no big surprises. I
think yah yah and Ben Kingsley is great, but they
also don't have like an amazing like we talked about
on the Golden Geeks where it's like, oh, that seem
I got issues with boring again. That scene with Matt
and Punisher coming face to face reuniting, that's like an
all timer Marvel scene, right, I don't care Movie TV like,
that's up there. I don't know where, but it's up there.
That doesn't have this if you like superhero stuff for
the fighting. So even if you're like, oh, hey, that's
fine if it's in the Marvel universe in a pocket
by itself, I want to see the actions like there
is I think two action scenes, and that's like stretching it.
The scenes are very brief and they're not like they're
not anything incredible, and that's fine because that wouldn't fit
the tone of the show. The show is more of
a dramedy. It's more of an actor in Hollywood trying
to make it and he has a secret. Right, it's
not about the fight scenes. They put him in some situations,
but it's not like with She Hulk, where it's like, okay,
we got to do the origin, we got to sit
up as a lawyer and Bruce's cousin. But eventually we're
gonna see her fight, right, which we did. This isn't
that you're never getting to that point, So I guess
that could be a bigger spoiler, but I think that's
for some of that's on the fence. Go okay. So
there's not like a big scene that I'm connected with.
There's not like a big action set piece. There's not
a big twist. And I said, the story overall is
somewhat formulaic, even though it's not formula for the MC
because we've seen from an actress perspective or hero doesn't
want to change the world. So for me, what it
is is, I do you know, it's former Lake, But
I still like the stories of the characters. I like
the performances and it specifically those two characters together. And
then there is you know, some fun stuff. I don't
think it was everly like Belly laughing, but got a
couple of chuckles out of me. I enjoyed it. So
I watched it all back to back. I enjoyed it.
It was it was never like a slog these episodes
are pretty sure. There's one episode that was like easily
like with credit, like without credits and everything, when you
skip the recap and then credits was probably about twenty minutes.
It says it's like three and a half whatever, but
I can't remember when I finished. I feel like it's
even less than that if you skip the recap and
you skip the credits. Like I said, there's no end
credits scene as when really fitted and even then like
when we get to the end of it, it's like, okay,
like it it just like I don't know, it's just
it's interesting where it's something that I enjoyed, but I
will I could easily forget about a lot of this
in the future. It's just the it's the performances. And
that's one thing that I've talked about before. We all
talked about where if you get great actors with mediocre
material and raise it, and I think, yah yah, Ben
Kingsley do that, you know when they're talking about you know,
the comparisons to you. I don't think it's that level
of creativity or as far as that level of humor either.
It never hits those strides for me, But there are
some fun moments so yeah, that's where I am. A seven,
not though definitely not the worst in the m stud
It's like a very much like i'd say mid tier, bottom,
mid tier somewhere there. And I guess that sounds bad
because now there's a lot of those I always kind
of forget because before bottom mid tier and Marvel is
still very good right when they had a great track record.
Now there's a lot of stinkers there, so I'd have
to say, like, let me look up here. I just
want to quickly. I haven't ranked it yet on my
letter box. I think it's up there, but let me
go take a look at just to confirm where it
is before we get into spoilers on myself. But yeah,
I feel comfortable with seven to ten and I don't
think that would change like I think with a rewatch.
Maybe one day I will. I'm not in a rush,
but I enjoyed enough that I would watch again if
I want to see some with Yah yah Ben Kingsley,
or if these characters come back, maybe to get excited,
because it isn't easy watch, but like right now, so
right now, I can't remember all the products and letter box,
I have fifty four projects, but the problem is there's
like probably someone the letter box. I can't rank writer
multiple seasons. Let's see, because like that's the thing, Like,
so it would be technically it's the same score as
like Brave New World and the Marbles where there's stuff,
or even like Age of Ultron, but even then like
those still have like some great moments or something, right,
but then there's some bigger misses in Brave New World
or the Marvels. Right, so I feel like it is
like so if I have fifty four, yeah, it probably
is in the bottom ten, unfortunately for me with this list,
So take what you will. I'd still say it's the
positive because technically I've only failed four three things in
the MCU. I failed Echo, I failed Amina, loass some
Secret Invasion. So still a pretty good record for the MCU.
So yeah, like bottom ten but still like a pass
still not like C plus C whatnot. So let's see.
Punisher says, I have a theory about wonder Man damage
to Trouble will become or or just I don't know that.
I don't know much about dam control. I didn't read
much there. We'll talk about them in the sports. I
think that stuff. I guess I can also say this
non spois. I'll get his name because I feel bad.
I feel like I have fucking zeroed this guy out
since noway home. But let me see wonder Man. So
they set up or what is it damage control or what? Yeah?
I think it's damage control or I know that was
the show, but whatever. Let me just take a look here.
What is his name here? Uh? Aaron Mallard. I think,
so this is the guy that's played this character a
few times, right, he started knowing home and he's just
like hunting back like powered individuals and whatnot. I've seen
him in other things. I've enjoyed him in those things.
I am not enjoying him in the MCU. I think
also because people have this he plays Agent Cleary. I
think as people have this theory, which I don't mind
right talking to trust, so we were damaged Control would
eventually become like a Friends of Humanity or something where
it's hunting muons, right, because I think this character and
the Damage Control or the DDC whatever they are like
the rumors they are in Spiderman Brand New Day. And
if Sadie sinc Is playing Gene Gray or another powered
individual there after her, right, I think my problem with
that is this character, Agent Cleary has played kind of
like a buffoon, kind of goofy, you know, Inspierment, noy Home.
He had some moment we got up on ned, but
it kind of works there, right. I just thought, I
think for those scenes with the mean kids, when they're
done with adults stuff, I just really don't care. Okay,
there you go the punches or just of the anti
immune Organization help bent on destruction Munes and Living Island
or crawl. Yeah, and I feel like I've heard that theory.
I'm down with that theory. I think it makes sense.
That's just my problem where I like this actor. I
just watched Nobody Wants This like a couple of months ago.
He was fun and that I enjoy him. I just
don't enjoy him as Agent clear here because if that
does go into the anti Mune thing, I don't want
it to be kind of like a buffoon, jokey type
of guy. Maybe even Oust and Mon you get someone
that's very evil and very bad, but it just doesn't.
It just feels very Barney Fify. It feels like you
can easily outsmart these guys, and they do all the time,
even this show, like Trevi Slattery outsmarts this guy multiple times.
It's like, so what at some point I'm supposed to
believe this guy's gonna be a threat to part like
Charles Xavier make Needle, Like, I don't buy that, right,
So I think there needs to be some change up
with that. And again, anytime that character is on the screen,
I go just takes up some time. So but there's
not too many characters in the show. He's like maybe
your fourth lead or something. Right, So yeah, like I
said my recommendations, if you like yeah, yah, if you
really like the MCU or at least if you like
Marvels stuff, you want a good project, I don't think
you need to be in a rush to see it. Though.
Even in that, like, I'm not saying if people tell me,
like I enjoy wonder Man, should I watch or say yeah?
But just Vio mileage may vary for people. It's not
one we saying, oh, you gotta go watch wonder Man, right,
because I'm trying to think of the last series I
would have done that for for Marvel, like even Agatha, right,
Like Agatha for me had Peaks and Valley you know,
start Strong had some middle. Eh, but though the penultimate
and the finale, to me, that's something we're in a show,
big thing that happens, multiply things. But you know everyone
knows the twist, right that's seen it. That's where it's like,
oh I will remember that for a very long time.
Right where this doesn't have that. This is just like
a good time with Yayam Ben Kingsley with some little
you know, minor drama and like I said, fight scenes
powers they are not in here, that is like they are,
but they are under five minutes maybe all put together.
If you do like a highlight reel, there's it's there's
no moment where it's like, oh he gets as Sue
the in and fights all the black guys know. That's
not the resolution of this show. So yeah, it is
an interesting one. So I'm going to take a break,
take a trickle of water here. If anyone's not seen
it or whatnot, now is the time to bounce out.
I don't think it's gonna be super long, uh because
I said, I don't think there's too much to spoil,
but uh yeah, so now's your time. We'll be right back. Okay,
and we're back. So and what I mean by there's
not much to spoil where like it's not technically their fault,
but in a way where there's I think one of
the first images was Yahya at the premiere wonder Man
in the suit, right, So I'd say, up until about
episode seven, it's like, oh, is he gonna get the role?
And it's like, well, fuck we all And even then,
like the show is called Wonderman, right, so you assume
he's gonna get it. It's like, of course he's gonna
get the role, right. So that's like the biggest contention
with ya Ya, like for just his goal, right. His
other stuff is he is a secret, which will get
an Episoe four, which I really enjoy. But he's a secret.
He has superpowers and they don't want actors have superpowers,
which we'll get to, right, so he does have that.
There's some you know, kind of allegories for you know,
sexual orientation stuff like that. I don't think they dive
too deep into that, So that's something I could have
really enjoyed if they would have zeroed in on that,
but I think they wanted to hit more on the
comedy aspects. So okay, if they're doing something different, that's fine,
but those are his two things are a struggling actor
is trying to be Wonderment, and he has the secret
that whenever he it's so funny because it reminds me
a lot of Uh, I just watched it today and
I haven't seen for the longest time was Punched Drunk Love,
because I'm trying to watch all PTA's movies again because
I want to rank him. It's similar where in that movie,
when Adam Samler we're getting nervous or pissed off or annoyed,
he'd go somewhere punch something right, whether it's a person
or a bathroom or a wall. That's where wonder Man
kind of is like that too. When something's off, when
he feels like he's being embarrassed or used or he's mad,
that's when his powers really pop off. And he's using
that also as a thing where I enjoy where when
he gets a script and he he talks like, oh
I got a method, and there's at the beginning of
the show we see where he's talking with the director
and he's starting with all of them and you know,
like all let's just shooting scene. He's like, oh, well,
I wanted to know this, will you actually doing this? Well,
let's get the scriptwriter down here, and that's where that's
the imply But I love that fucking line delivery of
like he doesn't say that, yeah, but it's implood's imploied.
And then he goes back to talking regularly. I can't
do it. Yeah, yeah, it does. But he has fun
little just like isms that come in there and are effortless. Right,
he's great. I no notes on Yai. He did fantastic,
But that's where he has to write all these notes
on his script and all these kind of a little
you know, sides like do this or try it this way?
One because I think he's just an obsessive character. But
two he's also semi worry that if he truly shows himself,
his powers could slip, right, because they're kind of emotional base.
It seems like at the end of the show seems
like he has some control because there's been a time jump,
but for the whole show seems like if that emotion
gets in, it happens. We hear there's some incident when
he was like nine or ten, then he like an
explosion happened and caused a fire. But then later on
at his mom's birthday. He freaks out and destroys the
table multiple times with Trevor's Slattery when some drama happens there,
especially at the end, he blows up the entire set
because he finds that Trevor Slattery has been, you know,
kind of spying on him. So that's what is and
I like that, right. It's kind of also intue to
the like what the acting rule can be? Right, sometimes
they want you to be vulnerable, but he's still gonna
like rain your emotions because I gotta get this performance right.
So I think that works there. So those are his
two kinds of stories. So, like I said, with wonder Man,
you know he's gonna get it, and then with the
other one, like I don't think we don't. Like there's
one great moment that had me for a second where
he's acting and some guy's like ragging on him and
he gets so mad he like punches a hole through
his head. For a second, I thought, oh, this show's
gonna take a big turn. It's just a dream sequence.
But that's you know, that's pretty much it for those
the power spectrum, right, It's just seeing him try to
do that and overcome that, and he does eventually, right
like we get the time jump. It's like a whole
thing where we don't see how, but he does overcome
that because at the end he's flying and doing all
the stuff, which we'll get there, so you kind of
know what's gonna happen there. And then with tryvor Slader like,
maybe I'm wrong, maybe other people push back, but I
feel like I saw the whole thing beat for beat
where okay, which I like they pick up that, okay, obviously,
iron In three happens he gets arrested for posing as
the vander and right and then the real manner and
bust him out of prison. So when he comes back
from wherever it is and sunk Chi, he's coming back
to America and he gets arrested right away because they
point out of like, hey, you didn't finish is your
prison time? Like you're like, here's still a felon. You
didn't stay in there your whole sentence, and well that
wasn't really my fault, which's correct, right, he was kidnapped.
He's like, that wasn't my fault. So what they say,
and that's where Asian Cleary is, he's gonna get him
to be a mole, be a undercover agent, rain in
his first thing because he's an actor. Simon Williams is actor.
They have like I think three incidences that they think
sim Williams like things have happened around him, so they
think he is a powerful being, which they are breaking
down on, right, And that's where it's interesting. I do
want to learn more because I feel like since Endgame
that's been murky waters. I understand when the COVID or
the so Kovie accords were going, but it's like, is
that still a thing. I don't know. I don't think
they care that much. But that's the deal where hey,
you can be free, but you gotta help me catch
this guy. And he's an actor, so perfect, go be
his study buddy and they partner up right, And to
me when this like it was an episode two where
and this is exactly what happens. I'm not saying I
knew the exact episode and the beat for beat for beat,
but the overall big story beats the twist and turns
as far as Okay, he there to spy, they're gonna
become friends. Uh, he's gonna tell him about that, and
something's gonna happen with wonder Man here, and then Ben
Kingsley's probably gonna take the fall form, which he does,
which is done a great way. And then like I
felt like the last shaw this show I didn't know
for sure is gonna go all the way, but I
was ninety percent sure and eyes right where Travis Sattery
ends up going to prison because what he does, I
guess i'll say it here, is he does they First
it's just he's spying on him. Then they do become
friends because he genuinely sees him as a good talented
actor and a good person, so he's trying to give him,
you know, a helpful hints and experience all this stuff
because he's obviously Travia Loattery can see something's going on
with this Guy's a lot of talent, but there's something
bottled up in them right and through there they become
good friends, even the point where I love the scene
where after he gets the Simons gets the wonder Man role,
he goes to dinner with like his agents as his team,
and for no reason, they're like, we don't know why
Slattery is here, but they just like they hang out
and get along, or even there's an episode before when
which I'll get back to Simon is getting interviewed and
all worried about it's gonna go wrong Saturday's there's a
whole time like covering for him, helping him, right, So
obviously they bond together. But that dinner scene is so
great where they're like, oh, well right now, like you're
gonna get cast in Wonderman and they've pitched this as
if people don't know it is like a it's almost
like if you were to remake Superman seventy eight, right
in a sense, almost similar like what James gun did,
where we're gonna make a similar, you know, a similar
movie that has that type of uh kind of spirit
and message because they even talk about like what could
Wonderman be today and how could inspire people today? Right,
So it felt like it was a lot of people
look at this as there Chris risu band, they're trying
to do like a James gunn wonder Man too. Right.
So when he gets this role, his whole team was like, hey,
well we can capitalize on this, we can get you
a bunch of other roles. Your name's gonna be hot,
and their ideas you should do before the movie comes
out because you never know what's gonna happen, right, which
is a big thing in Hollywood, right, Like that's the
same thing as I can't remember who said, Oh, like
Leo recently said that where people asked him like, how
do you contine he knew the start, right, and he
said like, well, just don't take on as many projects.
He kind of mentioned like look at my career and
things I've done. Take a little breaks kind of and
now in paraphrase, but you make the audience miss you.
But then he also specified which I agree. He's like,
but not everybody's in that same position. Some people might
need the money or just want the money, whether it's
for themselves, whether it's for family other things. And it's like,
if you're getting all these opportunities, it's hard to turn
them down, right, And that's where he gets to where
they're like, oh, well we got a Netflix show with
you Seana Rhymes, and he's like, I don't know, and
he's like, huming Hong, and he throws to Trevor and
he's like, what do you think you do? He's like, well,
actually i'd pick someone with more prestige, maybe you know
something a bit more passionate, show off your chops and
they say, yeah, you should do it. I'm gonna do
a play. And I love the scene where his whole
team is trying to kind of chase the money and
he turns the slatter and in this moment started he's
not like being like an agent where he's twisting against
him right, like trying to pull them over. You can
see they genuinely care for each other. And I could
have done even more. These episodes are short. I could
have done with even more episodes, like even get this
to ten and have another fun adventure with those two
by I digress. But then what happens is eventually because
he gets cast as wonder Man I can't remember, it's
like Barnaby Trivi Slidery of course gets cast as a sidekick.
And then again another great moment too where I was
talking about this interview the whole episode because he has
the powers. It's like Kathy Freeman I think the name is,
and she's known as like this. She's a writer for
the New York Times, but she's kind of like cutthrow
right where she's heavily esteemed, but she'll find the people
they talk about this Joseph Gordon Levitt pigeon story, right,
she'll find the people to do dirt on you. So
they talked to his mom. Everything goes good there. They
talked to his brother, who in earlier in the series
they set up of like he dislikes somebody wants him
to fail, and then later on we do show that.
The brother's just like, it's just being tough love. You know,
they lost their father. It's just tough love. But the
same thing. Kathy's like, oh, well, how what are you
going to say what your brother's Oh, it's it's complicated.
What do you say about me? And she's like, nowhing.
He says he loves you, he's very proud of you.
He didn't know you could do it, but you're doing it.
And then he kind of takes that in. Even his
ex girlfriend she gets interviewed and he's She's like, hey,
I know everything, Like, I know you have powers. I
know you were highing it from me. I was waiting
for you to tell me. But it's not in a
bitter way. It's just a way that I wish you
would have told me and maybe we could have worked
this really shit about So I love the framing of
this episode. That all of it is like, man, Simon's
secret's gonna get thrown out or like, uh yeah, put
out there. But really what Kathy is the interviewer. She's
after Slattery because he was posing as the man Rin
and then he was arrested, which that's how it figures
it out. She says like, once you got American Solilo,
you arrested, and Simon did not know that kinds puts
two and two together that he might be a mold.
There's some other stuff, but I liked that flip of
the whole episode is making you think, oh man, this
is gonna be it for Simon. She didn't really care
about him all. She's there to like interview the former
Manner and troist guy, right, so that's where he gets
mad about this, Like they have the conversation. Simon gets
me because he feel like he's been used the whole time.
He goes out walking out to the parking lot, but
all the way he's passing through the set, he completely
exploses the whole set. It's kind of like a like
an energy bomb going off, right, So when that happens,
which I really love this. I can't remember if it
was this episode, but we got to his like first
audition as the manner of them telling him like, oh
make it scary, lower your voice, that I thought was
like a really fun kind of flashback to Iron Man
three a little, and I think they do that a
bunch with Charlie add little things in between. But what
they do is he calls them and he's trying to
like win them back in a sense of like, I'm
really sorry you were my friend and sometimes I have
none of it right, and Slader's like, you know you
are my friend. I'm gonna prove it. I had so
many chances of life you haven't. I'm gonna give you
that chance back. He takes the fall. He again dons
the manner and get up, which is good because there's
no manner to come get him right. And he takes
credit for the bombing of the studio because he's saying
that brain Hollywood with their brain dead movies or brainwashing people,
so that's the idea of taking that. He even does
I did I did that, you know, and they come
and arrest him, so they kind of he frames himself
for Wonderman's explosion, and then obviously he sees that, Okay,
he is a good friend. He meant, well, it was
just a mixed up, and that's where I already thought
this was happening, but I didn't know it was gonna
be exactly like this. But he's putting like some sort
of it's not the raft because it's on like I
don't know, like soil and dirt, like you could just
drive too. But it's like a high security prison, right,
And I knew. I didn't know if it was gonna
be a security prison or where would be or a truck,
but I thought that's how it was gonna go. And
I feel like when if you're listening to this, obviously
now you've had the spoils, but I think most people
when they watch the show, you're gonna kind of know
where it's going. You're gonna go most of the beats, right,
And that's why they got these I would imagine great
actors so you can elevate that, which I think they do.
And that's what happens where he goes to some guy,
he says, some security guy at this prison and end
I'm saying, Simon goes to him says, hey, I want
to do a movie about you. Can I follow your life?
So he's following his life for several weeks. Eventually this
guy is like, oh, I got your clearance to come
to my work, and his work is where this prison is.
He uses the opportunity to get Trevor Slattery out of there,
and they just hug. He's using his powers. He's controlled
because he took the door off easily. He's using his
powers to I get ready to fly and he does.
So it's like whatever the time jump was from the
movie coming out and Slaturday being arrested to now Wonderman's
like completely opposed and willing to break the law, but
he doesn'tven like give the guy the guard who was unwilling.
He did not know that Simon was gonna do this,
was just there to study a movie. He transferred a
bunch of money into his account and then just ends
agent clearing and be like he could be one of
the biggest assets or biggest dangerous to us of all
time because he has some sort of fucking power. I
can't remember the exact name, but it's something like that.
So so again it's kind of like for me, the
best way to describe with the show is I I
it's it's like a coloring book where I could have
told you what the main pictures were. I couldn't tell
you what they were gonna be colored in as, but
the main pictures, I feel like that's where it's pretty
formulaic and it does it stuff. I think the audition
episode is fun when they go to the actual director's place.
In there, Sime's all about prep and he's prepping and
the directs I want to do something fun, like I'm
gonna give you scenario and you go, and he gives
Yaya and this guy because they have different scene partners.
He's like, uh, you're having an affair and you feel
like Yaya is pulling away and yeah, yeah, you're pulling
away from everybody, right, And because Yahya they've said that
he's such a prepper, he can't and Slattery's try to
like get him to do this, like on the spot,
go just go with the motions how you're feeling. He
can't do it. So he starts to reenact the scene
from Pretty Pretty Woman, which is great because it has
one like he's fun in it, but has nothing to
do with the scenario that the director gave him. So
he's like, I'm really disappointed, Like it's not going well.
For you so and again Slattery comes in there does that.
But I think that's the standout episode. I do think
I enjoyed some of the earlier episodes more. I feel
like the comedy was just hitting a bit more. But
that was good and then what they did do. There's
probably some other stuff I'll bring up too, But to
set this up is they have this episode, episode four
called Doorman, which was a very interesting like like short
movie in the MCU where this guy we don't really
know how but and I'm sure people know the comics
know what that is because I'm a combook reader. But
I've said before like I am like in my Tears,
I put myself in like a high C plus as
far as knowledge goes, because there's tons stuff I haven't
read or it's been a long time. There's a guy
he he works at the club. He's just a doorman.
At one point he walks into an alleyway and sees
like this, like goop, that's also a hole whatnot? He
touches it and I don't know if this is even
powers or in log powers, but he has the powers
where he can like teleport you, you can crawl through
his stomach and then you'll end up somewhere. I don't
know if it's he gets to pick the location. I
think it is where he just just think it. I
don't know. But this happens randomly at nightclub. He gets
famous because Josh Gadd's there, and Josh Gadd talks about it,
and he's also like, hey, I want you to be
my security and everything, and he's like, oh, I don't know,
I really like my job. Here's a doorman. He's like,
I'll give you two hundred K. Year's okay done. So
it escalates to he is security for Josh Gatt to
someone sees him like, oh, you should have like a
cameo one of his roles, and we could use that
power because they have some sort of set or practical
prop issue and like, well, this fucking guy dorman, like
he's in social media famous and he has a power,
like we can use this to do that, So they
do that. He's in a movie. He gets an age
and he starts to act more, but eventually the roles
start to go in. He's just like in these commercial
like very cash and and then when things are really
down out he does some sort of like he sponsors
like microwave potato chips and they like steam burn a
bunch of people. And this is to clarify if you're
listening that he haven't seen the show episode four up
until like the last two minutes. It's all about this
character Doormant, not a single like like yeah, yeah, it
comes out the last two minutes because he's hearing this news,
but no connections. It's just like its own. This is
why actors cannot have superpowers. And I like that a lot.
I've always said there's more shows that we should get
the past couple years that should have just this character
episode or this event episode, because some of us feel
like we're missing out. So that's all what this is
about is just dormant. I can see why this show
overall was binge. I don't think it is also just
like to get to move on. I think there's like
a little bit of that, but it's not a train
wreck show like Secret Invasion even Echo that I understood
of Okay, like we gotta we want to move on.
We don't want people to talk about this too long.
This I think you could have peeled talk about it.
But at the same time, I think more people will
clicking on it and watch the whole thing versus how
they're gonna watch it weekly because MOULTI episode the cliffhangers
are very minute, They're not Marvel level, right, And then
even episode four, I'm sure, like myself and stuff because
I like the episode, I wouldn't find with it, but
I think they still would either not a two parter
or they think that, hey, there's just one episode that like,
it's great for the world but does nothing for if
you like Yaya or Ben Kingsley, what should we do
with it? And that's where I think they go, well,
you know, let's I just think there's a lot of
signs to making it binge. Now, obviously it's not the
greatest look because I know Bogus brought this up on
you know, he's the host of Chris Balga, the host
of Marvel Alliance, and he's on a Bogus stream a lot.
We talked about this, and he talked about that where
it's like this Ironheart. I know there was another one
where it's like a lot of the projects that are
with people that aren't straight white males with color, like
people of color are getting the echo. Is that right?
Are getting the binge model? I don't think it's all
because of that, but it is like a curious situation, right,
and a thing where I don't think that was just
because oh, you know wonder Man's black character, let's come
out there. But it doesn't help when there's too many examples, right,
I think just the Formata show Echo, I think you
could have still done weekly. I think Ironheart you still
could have done weekly. I don't know what the return
would have been. But with this, I don't think even
the way the show functions, you could have made it weekly.
It just doesn't I just don't think people would be
coming back to And I think a lot of people
would just fall off. If you're not big in this
university new you are, I think people could fall off
because there's some episodes that are just it feels very
much like a bin show, like you need the whole
show because there's not much in It's just like, oh,
two characters laughing, having a good time. Right, So yeah,
we talk about them. We talked about the damn sag
trop people. Let me bring up my notes here if
it's anything I missed here. Now, I wrote the the
Joskeren Levet joke with the Pridgeon the Pigeonsury and those
good No I think I brought anything other than there's
like and this is where it's like, okay. There's one
episode where he has to do on audition tape for
an andy right and he's trying to find he watches
some tape about his act, like his actual They set
up that him and his girl friend break up or
she just wants to move, and that's how they break up,
just kind of by default. Eventually they do talk again,
but he watches a clip and he sees her and
he just can't get in the right mind space, so
he needs some help with it. They have, so it's
all over. Where they go this person that he pays
to do the tape, she's terrible lion reading, so they
don't do that. They try to go to Trevor Slattery's apartment.
There's people playing rock music. They eventually go to Joe
Pantonello's house and they set up that him and Trevor
Slattery had like this friendly rivalry back in the day
where he got replaced and Kingsleary's character. You know, Sary
holds it against him the whole time, where then Joey
Pants is like it's because you were late and high
on drugs all the time, like they had to get
rid of you as the lead. So he's taken as
like this personal addendum where really Joe pantanell is just
like I just took over because they didn't. They thought
you were fucked up, Like I have nothing to do
with this. And it's great because he kind of makes
some cracks at him like, oh it must be great,
and I be an actor, you don't go worry about
your looks with this, and Sion's like he is an actor,
Like he's that's what I love. It's not just like
the line was, oh yeah, he's an actress inform, it's
like he was defending him. Whether it was like it
felt like, you know much the age difference there, like
a big brother standing up for his little brother who,
like clearly the Slary character was kind of embarrassed by
some of these remarks saying, oh, you don't act, you
don't gotta worry about how you look and all this stuff. Right,
so they were gonna go there to record this tape
that doesn't go well. There's this great kind of callback
which I really enjoyed, is when they do the movie
obviously Trevor's slattery he's in prison. He was, like I said, Cassis,
Simon Williams like co lead in the movie. He's in prison,
can't do it. So first it's just him acting with
a green screen or a green tennis ball, right to
add the actor in later. And then when they showed
on premiere day and they show the actor Joe Pantanell,
who they said like they had this few right. So
I thought that was a good callback joke and very funny.
I thought that was very clever. I think that worked
out very well. And I think the Joe Pannell episode,
which is also just very funny, I like, not very funny,
but like again not belly laughing. But I had a
good time seeing those characters interact because at first Simon
Won was very humble. Is Joeandanello like he always took
a matrix he can take to call with his agent.
He's like, I can't talk to right now in Joe's house.
I'll worry about that tape later. It's like a very
don't meet your hero sort of situation, right, And yeah,
so I enjoy that. I enjoyed that callback. Let's see,
is there anything I'm trying to think there's anything else here.
We touched on dormant. Oh sorry, I forgot to say.
I went on a different tangent for Bill. They didn't
watch it what they said of as Doorman, right, because
he does these chips and he has his moment where
he apologizes social media. All the world's turning on. They're like,
is this fifteen minutes up? So he has his catchphrase
where he says ding dong as well, he's pretty much
went to everybody loved Doorman and then everyone hates him. Uh,
but then it's they he his first movie he did
with Josh Gadd and this camera's called cash Grab and
Josh phones and was like, oh man, Josh has some
wild stuff in this episode. One point, he's like very
drunk or very high, and he's in a club and
they're doing like a remix to build a Snowman. I
was still somewhat surprised. I know it's Disney, but it
was still some surprise. They let the actual song play
Dad will pretty fun stuff. So he's playing a very
over like exaggerated version of himself. But Gad was fun
and stuff. So but what happens is on the set
of Cash Grab two, they're doing the same they did
in Cash Grab one where there's some stint where all
we got to get at his bank. How we do it? Oh, well, Dorman.
I guess he's just playing Dorman in the movie too,
I don't know. But also we can get through his stomach,
right and just tell port he does that, and the
second he goes and Gadd's stommach and he closes, Dorman
just throws up everywhere, and then Yad doesn't come back,
so he like killed Gad or Gadd's in a different dimension.
And that's where it starts. And Simon Willons is watching
this video on his phone because it kind of cuts
to present day that because this one actor had superpowers,
either people don't want them on the show for just
like obviously like kind of you know, racism, kind of
aspects or just danger. They even say like, hey, if
you have a superhero on the show, the insurance is
gonna be out the fucking roof. So that's where it's
like as an actor, and that's where it comes into yeah, yeah,
story you don't want to be revealed. There's a couple
of times. There's one episode where like a biker season
records and they go on a whole goose chase where
they get a bite back, and that's another good moment
to where him and Slattery they're gonna try and get
this bite back because the guy said, Hey, if you
give me my bike back, I'll delete the footage of
Simon Williams being a hero. Right, and he has this
whole thing and they make theme such a nerd. He's like,
all lawna or episode five from season fifteen or something
like that. Right, he's going on stuff that he's done before.
He gives the whole synopsis for the Lord of the
or the Law of War episode because his ideas, Okay,
these people that have the bike are probably criminals, what
their plan was. Okay, we're gonna say we're under cover cops,
we were investigating something, and we're giving the license plate
of this bike insid was stolen. So it all makes sense. Right.
It's a great layout. And when you talk the lawn order,
he's like, I'm just gonna use all the lines there.
They're like, oh, perfect second, the door opens like it's
the Mandarin, so the cover is blown. And then all
this stuff is going on with another gang. After wonder
Man and Hurst, Slattery and then there's like the police
that show up, so there's there's some fun moments there,
but yeah, I think, yeah, I think that's it then.
And yeah, I guess if I mentioned Doorman's career is
just over after that, because you know, obviously he probably
killed Josh Gadd even though it was accidental, he probably did.
That's why sign's just all about hiding this. And I
guess there could be fun more hijinks in a second season,
but I don't think they're gonna do that again. I
don't know. We'd seen to see Slattery a lot, so
maybe we will see Ben Kingsley again. I don't know
if we're gonna see ya. Yeah, I would like to
even if they were to say a wonder Man season two,
because like I didn't love this show, but I really
enjoyed it. Like I said at seven out of ten,
that's where it is where I'd probably watch this again
one day. But I'm also in no rush, and I
also want to be going to tell going around telling
everybody like you gotta watch wonder Man. No it's not.
It's not a low key level or a WandaVision or
even the anameega for there's nothing like that. Right. So
that's why I just don't know how that's gonna do
with the general public. Especially it's not like a watch
wonder Man and he's gonna be in Doomsday. That hasn't
been confirmed yet, right, So there's there's a little less
of that, and that's I don't think what the show
is trying to do. But as I talk about nonspoilers,
I think they're gonna have to change that because I
think the shows are gonna shows and movies are gonna
have to do what they need them to do now,
what they want to do and they need them to do.
And I just don't think wonder Man is gonna pull
his numbers. And I think like from the budget, as
much as I enjoyed the show and yah yah, I
don't think it can be justifiable, right. So I'd like
to see these characters again, specifically just the duo. I
think I was. I was locked there. I was very
happy at that. Like I said, I was surprised how
good their chemistry was, especially near the back half. I
would take more adventures of those two, even if you
brought the budget down. I guess maybe an animated if
they wanted to, But I hope to see them somehow again.
But I'm not gonna hold my breath. I'm just gonna
be Okay, Well, we got wonder Man. That was fun,
and we'll move on to the next again. The next
show is Daredevil, which we all got teasers for which
you can go back in the feed. It is there.
Officeris lots episodes of the feed right now because the schedule.
But yeah, that is it. I know we'll talk about
this again in the future, probably whether it's Golden Geeks
or what we've been watching, because I think a couple
of them plan to watch it. So yeah, we'll probably
return to wonder Man again at some point. But yeah,
let me know in the discord, the YouTube, social media, whatever,
if you have some questions or some thoughts or some pushbacks,
or maybe there's something to think was more deeper that
I didn't give enough credit. Always, as long as you're
kind of respectful, we are always taking questions and are
always listening, always interacting, so we very much appreciate it.
But yeah, that's the end of this episode. Like I said,
I recommend it for a few people, few groups of people.
Seven out of ten. Don't think we'll get lower. Don't
think we get higher though overall an enjoyable experience, but
nothing that I think that on the whole side. If
you're asking me, that's where I guess I should end
that too. Where it's like when I clarify, like all
in the grand scheme of things, what the MC needs.
I'm talking purely from a business perspective, right, purely. If
you're to sit me down and be like, hey, we
got a lot of budget of blank for this year,
should we do wonder Man two, I'd say, well, unless
you're adding X, Y and Z, probably not. Like, I
don't think the MSU now is in a place where
I know they have the spotlight unless it is, and
those are special presentations, I guess. But I think spotlight
could only work for newer characters that are in a
small amount. But again, that's special presentation, right, So I
doubt we see much of this in the future. I
feel like when we've heard rumors of Strange Academy coming back,
that makes sense. Strange a very popular character, wants a
popular character, you do that. Rumors of hey, there's gonna
be a couple X Men shows if that makes sense,
because they're gonna be pushing that. I feel like that's
in the future where you're gonna get and there's gonna
be which some of you might like because I'm one
of those people that I really enjoy Phase for I
love not everything hits, but I love the chances they took,
and I thought they try to diversify. I think a
lot of people did not. So that's where I think
wonner Man might fall in my camp for those people
of I will never watch this show for whatever reason, right,
So yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting to see the
next slate of shows and stuff they now. It's even
though I don't think we have big slates in the
near future. But yeah, that's my thoughts on oneer Man.
Like I said, if you have any thoughts, there's always
places you can contact us, And I promise when you
hear from you next, which won't be now unless you're
getting on patroon lots cast there, but won't be until
the Saturday the Royal Rumba, which is a great time.
So until then, I promise you it'll not be born