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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Graham Ricky and I'm from Oakland, New Zealand,

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<v Speaker 1>and I play at Tyre Golf and Country Club. This

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<v Speaker 1>is golf Smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Smarter number four hundred and sixty two, originally published

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<v Speaker 2>on November fourteen, twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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<v Speaker 3>insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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<v Speaker 3>Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our

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<v Speaker 1>If it bothers you that much to card a ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five versus a ninety one, get lessons, It's not about

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<v Speaker 1>the score. I read recently Ben Hogan said before every

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<v Speaker 1>round he knew he was going to have four bad shots. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now this is a professional. I kind of go out

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<v Speaker 1>thinking I'm gonna have four good shots, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>is what it is. When I first started playing by

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<v Speaker 1>the rules, my scores went up dramastically, but I knew

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day that that was my

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<v Speaker 1>true score, and I could tell people that with accuracy

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<v Speaker 1>and not be ashamed.

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<v Speaker 4>Because that is what I shot.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make me any less of a golfer or

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<v Speaker 1>any better golfer by saying you shot something lower. That's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of one of my pet peeves about that. But

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<v Speaker 1>you have to hit anyhow. Some people drop a ball

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<v Speaker 1>immediately and just hit right away. Actually, the rule book

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<v Speaker 1>says you don't hit right away unless, of course, you're

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<v Speaker 1>the last one teeing off. So if you're first and

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<v Speaker 1>you put yours in the woods, pick up your tea,

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<v Speaker 1>walk back to the bag, let the other three players play,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can hit your provision.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you're standing on my line. Golf Etiquette with Richard Toff.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Richard.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, Fred, it's great to be back.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you never left a lot of time with

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 4>Huh yes, every week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I get to spend a lot of time with

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<v Speaker 2>your books. Now, thank you, and you got a new one. Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's let's recap what the last book was so

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<v Speaker 2>we can promote that.

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<v Speaker 1>First absolutely, please, we'll take you back five years. First,

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<v Speaker 1>my son was graduating eighth grade, getting ready to become

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<v Speaker 1>a big, bad freshman and decided he wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the golf team. So it was a great summer.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to play a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Golf, you know, and you've been playing golf all your life.

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<v Speaker 4>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I had been thirty some years. But you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>harder to get every weekend off to play golf. But

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<v Speaker 1>I told the wife, you know, I've got to do

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<v Speaker 1>this so that Nicholas can make the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and excuse and yes, it's very hard, and I

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<v Speaker 2>do acknowledge it is very hard for anybody with young

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<v Speaker 2>children to get out on the golf course on a

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<v Speaker 2>regular basis, very hard unless they drag their kids along exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're out there during that in the day and

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<v Speaker 4>at night.

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to try to read the USGA Rules of Golf.

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<v Speaker 1>I had attempted it once before. As you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very difficult book to get through. No offense to

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<v Speaker 1>the usg you know, that's a legal document and there

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<v Speaker 1>is some legal eaese in there, and it's tough to

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<v Speaker 1>get through even if you read it from cover to

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<v Speaker 1>cover understanding it is a completely different ballgame. So as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reading the section on tending the flag stick, I

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<v Speaker 1>was mentally transported back to being sixteen myself and the

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<v Speaker 1>first time my dad took me out with him and

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<v Speaker 1>his friends. I was, of course, just elated that the

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<v Speaker 1>old man would take me golfing with his friends. I

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<v Speaker 1>managed to work through the first te jitters, kept my

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<v Speaker 1>driving fairway, and made my way to the green, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling confident. Now I'm getting ready to settle in

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<v Speaker 1>for a nice round of golf, to pull my weight

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<v Speaker 1>and impress the old man. I'm tending the flag stick.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just off the green and he sculls it and

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<v Speaker 1>it is screaming at the hole. Well, I pulled the

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<v Speaker 1>flagstick out, and he starts yelling for me to put

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<v Speaker 1>it back in because he wants that backboard action.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that doesn't happen, and the ball goes over the hole,

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<v Speaker 1>across the green and down the hill, and what should

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<v Speaker 1>have been a possible birdie ended up being a double bogie.

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<v Speaker 1>And he proceeds to let me know, very verbally, very loud,

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<v Speaker 1>how happy he is that I'm there that day, in

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<v Speaker 1>front of all his friends and everybody on the course.

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<v Speaker 1>So I carried that golf guilt around for three decades

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<v Speaker 1>and as I'm reading that, well, why.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I not believe you that he was so happy

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<v Speaker 2>that he was black ragging about having.

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<v Speaker 1>You thereout air quotes around the happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, air quotes. I missed the eye out. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm blinked.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not a very good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, old you were you. I was sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>his friends or his friends stepped in and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just go ahead to hit another one, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, don't worry about it and anything. So uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In reading the chapter on flankstick, I realized he was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I was right there. You don't get to choose after

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<v Speaker 1>you hit the ball if you want it in or

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<v Speaker 1>pull it out, whatever fits you best.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, what did he He asked you to tend it? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>or he asked you to pull it?

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<v Speaker 1>Initially, I don't remember if he asked me to tend it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was standing there with my hand on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and according to the rule book, if somebody is there,

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<v Speaker 1>that is considered tending it. Because he saw me standing there,

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<v Speaker 1>he knew I was going to pull it because my

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He needed to make that decision before he hit either

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<v Speaker 1>for me, to move away or pull it or get

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<v Speaker 1>ready to pull it after he hits. So it made

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<v Speaker 1>me maybe kind of mad that I had to carry

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<v Speaker 1>that guilt around for three decades.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, nobody should have to go through this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, listen, as any kid, as any adult knows what

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to find something to carry the guilt around

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<v Speaker 2>for decades.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>So it became my mission at that point to help

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<v Speaker 1>educate people so that this didn't happen to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I'm reading the rule book, each time I

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<v Speaker 1>go through a section, I've got a memory of something

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<v Speaker 1>that mirrored what they're trying to explain. And it just

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<v Speaker 1>occurred to me that I could just put all of

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<v Speaker 1>these memories into one long and rather painful round of

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<v Speaker 1>golf and explain the rules in a very lighthearted manner

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<v Speaker 1>that's easy to understand. And that's how the golf rules

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the first book, so the first book we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about golf rules is the rules.

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<v Speaker 4>It is on stroke play.

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<v Speaker 2>Stroke play rules. Okay, and now you've decided you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go and do a series on these. And the

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<v Speaker 2>second one here is on etiquette.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct and actually That idea came about very soon after

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<v Speaker 1>the original idea to write the golf rules on stroke play,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I said to myself, well, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>one part of the game, so we're going to need

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<v Speaker 1>to do etiquette. And I also have plans for the

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<v Speaker 1>third book next summer to be on match play. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so well we'll hit all three components of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I started writing, I'm reading through the rules

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<v Speaker 1>of golf. I need to make sure I know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about. So I sign up for USGA Rules School, which,

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<v Speaker 1>for those that don't know, is four days of intense

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<v Speaker 1>rules discussion. You're talking nine to ten hours a day

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<v Speaker 1>just going through that little book, and the last day

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<v Speaker 1>is a four hour exam on the rules of golf,

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<v Speaker 1>and most people don't finish the exam in that time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's grueling. Wow. And to make matters worse at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day is if you're not tired enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Most everybody goes back to their hotel room and studies

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<v Speaker 1>for the next day. You should see these booklets that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone has, and they're all thumbnailed and little stickies everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>for each rule number and notes, and there's highlighting in them.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't study this much for a single class I

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<v Speaker 1>had in college.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you were going to try to make a

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<v Speaker 2>living out.

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<v Speaker 4>Of that, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm tullious. So now if you have these, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>official workshops and tests and things for the rules, where

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<v Speaker 2>do you what is your resource for getting over two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred etiquette faux pause for this book? I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>not these aren't written down anywhere? Are they?

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<v Speaker 4>There are etiquette rules.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a few listed in the USGA rulebook.

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<v Speaker 2>Very few, I gotta imagine.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I think maybe a dozen or two dozen.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to course pros, maintenance crews, other golfers, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much anybody I could run into, you know, sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>on the nineteenth hole, asking people what's your what's your

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<v Speaker 1>biggest pet peeve? And doing some online research.

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<v Speaker 2>And how many of those pet peeves did not end

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<v Speaker 2>up in the book.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I had a couple dozen that I really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what sure I could have? You know, I dig this,

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<v Speaker 2>I did this see you last time?

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<v Speaker 4>And you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because I had b If you would, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to take it. You need to study. From

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<v Speaker 2>my interview.

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<v Speaker 4>To answer your question.

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<v Speaker 1>One that I really was a little upset about not

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<v Speaker 1>putting in there are the little flags that are marked

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<v Speaker 1>ground under repair. You know, sometimes you see fifteen little

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<v Speaker 1>yellow flags, know about a foot tall. That was something

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't get in. I do have ground under

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<v Speaker 1>repair listed, but not that specific instance. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>something that I don't know just tickled my fancy and

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<v Speaker 1>wish I would have put in there. And it's but

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny you should say what's not in there? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I had one bad review on Amazon and this individual

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<v Speaker 1>gave me a three out of five stars and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish there was more on out of Bounds.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think there was enough.

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<v Speaker 1>In there, but I checked to see and this individual

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<v Speaker 1>had also rated Butch Harmon's latest release the same score,

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't feel bad. Even though he didn't give me

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<v Speaker 4>a five.

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<v Speaker 1>He rated me the same as Butch Harmon's.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh pretty good.

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<v Speaker 4>It's nice class to be it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you. The review thing is always fun, but

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<v Speaker 2>it gets dangerous because you start like reading it and

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<v Speaker 2>then taking it seriously and then taking it personally. I

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<v Speaker 2>do that in the iTunes reviews, and if anybody wants

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<v Speaker 2>to write an iTunes review. I'm not going to stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to get but I make sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>an honest review. Please please, and please, Richard, please ask

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<v Speaker 2>people go do a review of iTunes of golf Smarter

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<v Speaker 2>and iTunes. We haven't had one in a while anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So are they Okay? I'm just going to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>various etiquete rules because this actually came up this weekend

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<v Speaker 2>on my round. Are there etiquette rules for a hole

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<v Speaker 2>in one?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>I have not heard any. Oh dude, did you have

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<v Speaker 4>a hole in one? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I did not, nor did anybody my foresome but he

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<v Speaker 2>came off lee close. We think it hit the stick

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<v Speaker 1>So are you're saying that you could carry on too

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<v Speaker 1>much if you get a hole in one and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a faux pop? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>What what is the the correct procedure after a person

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<v Speaker 2>gets a hole in one and the round is over?

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<v Speaker 2>What is correct? What is the accepted etiquette rule of

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<v Speaker 2>what happens in the clubhouse afterwards?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that one is so such a small percentage

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I don't have any research on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>But research you ask people question's what business you off

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<v Speaker 2>I would say for that one, there's you know, anything goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody should promote that one, and you know you should

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<v Speaker 1>get drinks all around, maybe even a nice steak dinner afterwards. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I do know there's a website dedicated to hole in

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<v Speaker 1>ones and you mark down where you were playing the

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<v Speaker 1>conditions of that particular hole in your name and nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, there's a lot of websites about holding ones. I've

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<v Speaker 2>done it once. I've gotten a hole in one once,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have a certificate from the PGA that has

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<v Speaker 2>my name on it saying I got a hole in one.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a yeah, they said, I have a like

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<v Speaker 2>a bag tag that says I've gotten a hole in one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of things you can get, lots of goodies

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<v Speaker 2>that says that's it. But you have to you have

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<v Speaker 2>to give them some sort of proof. But I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>everything from you buy everybody in your forsome a drink afterward,

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<v Speaker 2>and all the way to you by everybody in the

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<v Speaker 2>clubhouse or in the bar at the clubhouse. At the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth hole. You have to buy everybody drinks until the

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<v Speaker 2>last person standing. I mean, that's a wide range of

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<v Speaker 2>what you got to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Those sound like rules made by people that are looking

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<v Speaker 1>for free drinks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, golfers are not in that group, are you kidding?

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<v Speaker 2>Who doesn't like a free anything exactly? I mean, how

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<v Speaker 2>many times guys go around looking for golf balls? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I found the ball? Yeah, so, but we're waiting.

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<v Speaker 4>That's in the book too.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about that one about looking about what it

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<v Speaker 2>means to just go hunting for balls during the round,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you haven't lost yours. What's the proper etiquette

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<v Speaker 2>for that?

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<v Speaker 1>One thing most important is don't hold up anybody behind

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<v Speaker 1>you or your group.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, that's probably the biggest pah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Granted, if you see somebody coming up out

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<v Speaker 1>of the marsh and they've got a duffel that they

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<v Speaker 1>found four dozen, it's you just kind of have to wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>And especially we know most of those balls aren't really playable,

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<v Speaker 1>so the speed of play on that one is it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the biggest point to take home when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about etiquette too. You can use it to make your

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<v Speaker 1>game more enjoyable even before you take your first swing,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you're with it. Teamed up with somebody you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't played with before. Of course, you know, you go

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<v Speaker 1>through the introductions and I always write down the other

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<v Speaker 1>player's names, you know, in the corner of the scorecard somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you know, the third hole when I need

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<v Speaker 1>Jim to move, I remember his name, at least it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty to fifty chance, as do I.

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<v Speaker 2>I try, because I'm not good with names. Bob and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, Richard and I am And I also like

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<v Speaker 2>try write down, like what cap he's wearing, because I

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<v Speaker 2>hate getting him wrong. I can't just write Tom and Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Tom white cap, Oh, okay, that's Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are good ones too. Yeah, and then also mention

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<v Speaker 1>your golfing ability, your handicap where you like to hit

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<v Speaker 1>from rather than being on the second hole and you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods, and the rest of your players are

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<v Speaker 1>starting to pull their hair out because now they realize

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<v Speaker 1>we thought we were going to play a speedy par

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<v Speaker 1>around and we've got mister triple bogie over here. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But what choice do you have. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 2>go to the you go to the first t and

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<v Speaker 2>the starter says you're twosome is team this? You got

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<v Speaker 2>a single here, in a single here that's playing with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You walk up to and say, hey, how's your game?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not so sure I agree with you on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, Hi, how are you? And then you just

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<v Speaker 2>have to be patient. But you can't tell the starter

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<v Speaker 2>this guy sucks. I don't want to play with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've seen that done too. Really, wouldn't you rather

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<v Speaker 1>know before the round starts that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>slow and you, and knowing his inability, you can guide

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<v Speaker 1>him a little more, you know, maybe he tell him,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be hitting from the blues, let's scoot you up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, or help watch his shot a little more.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. That's another great pace of play item in

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<v Speaker 1>the book. You've got this threesome and one guy hits

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods and he turns to the other one

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<v Speaker 1>and says, did you see where it landed? And the

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<v Speaker 1>snotty character says, it's not my ball. I wasn't watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the second person hits, puts his ball in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods and he says, anybody see where it landed.

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<v Speaker 1>First guy says, yes, it's at the third tree at

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<v Speaker 1>the base, And it just saves lots of time from

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<v Speaker 1>having to look around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, no question about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, I've not well. The first thing I never

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<v Speaker 2>want to do is tell people how they should be playing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't even I generally don't bring up

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast until the seventeenth hole. I don't because it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to, I don't want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>me on this thing, and I just like, maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a potentially new listener, so I want

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<v Speaker 2>to bring it up at some point, and I generally

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<v Speaker 2>just say there's a difference. Have you ever heard of

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast? But telling people like, you know, like what

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<v Speaker 2>where they should play? You want to play the fronts,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, I'm going to play the blues today, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm going to play the whites.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not saying you should tell them, but you can,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if somebody's breaking some major etiquette or even the rules,

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<v Speaker 1>you might want to just mention to them, you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a nice shot, but this is how it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be played. The concept that you know, started

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<v Speaker 1>these the books is that most people haven't had any

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<v Speaker 1>thorough education.

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<v Speaker 2>Exposure, let's just call it exposure.

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<v Speaker 4>Not okay, yeah, and for.

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<v Speaker 1>That individual, let's just say he was breaking an etiquette

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<v Speaker 1>and you didn't say anything. Well, golf is a cradle

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<v Speaker 1>to grave sport, as you know, so he could repeat

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<v Speaker 1>that same error for the next fifty years.

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<v Speaker 2>He couldn't feel responsible for that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I think for the good of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>we all have some citizen responsibility that you know. In

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<v Speaker 1>addition to you know, him doing it wrong for fifty years,

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<v Speaker 1>he might turn somebody off to the game. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they might think that what this player was doing is

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<v Speaker 1>standard and don't want to have anything to do with golf,

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<v Speaker 1>or that person will teach others. You know. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the spam email. As long as you keep forwarding

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<v Speaker 1>the chain mail, it keeps going. But if you stop it,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody has to have their inbox flooded and there are

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, it can be a difficult situation, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as you were saying, if you've got somebody new, how

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<v Speaker 1>many times have we just thought the guys are putts?

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<v Speaker 1>But in three hours I don't have to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>them again. But there's an opportunity there to help his life,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly his game be better, and everybody he touches thereafter,

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<v Speaker 1>who cares if you insult him?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, some things need.

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<v Speaker 1>To be done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and again to me, it's like, are we

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<v Speaker 2>playing for money today? And are you in? If you're in,

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<v Speaker 2>then okay, let's all agree on these etiquette rules and

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<v Speaker 2>all the real rules. But otherwise they do what you want.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from California, man, We're all about doing what you want,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not country club. Are there a list of

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<v Speaker 2>rules in your book for etiquette rules for marshals?

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<v Speaker 4>Marshals?

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<v Speaker 1>We do have a couple listed in there. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>for marshals to behave. But I know that's a hot

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<v Speaker 1>button for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh boy, oh boy, you know because you mentioned. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, okay, keep an eye on where the ball goes,

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<v Speaker 2>so you watch and you can help pick up the

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<v Speaker 2>pace of play. Why aren't the marshals doing if they're

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<v Speaker 2>just driving around in circles doing nothing Telegate except telling

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<v Speaker 2>you that you're going too slow, Well that's because I

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<v Speaker 2>lost my ball. Oh man, they make me creazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know that might go back to being educated

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<v Speaker 1>and experienced from somebody else that doesn't know what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I assume some of these marshals may not

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<v Speaker 1>have been through USGAPGA rules school. They might be older

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<v Speaker 1>golfers that can't really play as much, so they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help.

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<v Speaker 2>What are common etiquette faux pas that really irk you?

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<v Speaker 1>For me, the mulligan and hitting right away, which you

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<v Speaker 1>can kind of roll in together. So many every golfer

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<v Speaker 1>knows what a mulligan is, despite there being no mention

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<v Speaker 1>of a mulligan in the rule book. You know everybody

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<v Speaker 1>wants to hit again, Well guess what you get. You

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<v Speaker 1>do get to hit again, but you count your first

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<v Speaker 1>stroke and count your second stroke as a penalty stroke.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, the it mirrors. Let's say you're playing Monopoly

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<v Speaker 1>and you land on go directly to jail. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine turning to the person on your left and saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to roll again. Let's not count that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that idea, it's just what it is. Or

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try that next time I play Monopoly.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I get a mulligan on that roll? Some are

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<v Speaker 2>the crap table, even just the craft table. You're playing.

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<v Speaker 1>A little backarrack. Some people say, well, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody gets a mulligan in our group, Well, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you just count the stroke and add four onto everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>or three onto everybody's game.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about the same, right If.

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<v Speaker 1>It bothers you that much to card a ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>versus a ninety one, get lessons. It's not about the score.

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<v Speaker 1>And I read recently Ben Hogan said before every round

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<v Speaker 1>he knew he was gonna have four bad shots. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now this is a professional, so I kind of go

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<v Speaker 1>out thinking I'm gonna have four good shots, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just is what it is. When I first started playing

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<v Speaker 1>by the rules, my scores went up dramastically, but I

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<v Speaker 1>knew at the end of the day that that was

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<v Speaker 1>my true score, and I could tell people that with

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<v Speaker 1>accuracy and not be ashamed because that is what I shot.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make me any less of a golfer or

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<v Speaker 1>any better golfer by saying you shot something lower. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of one of my pet peeves about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But and then again for those that take them or

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you have to hit anyhow, some people drop

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<v Speaker 1>a ball immediately and just hit right away. Well, the rules, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>the rule book says you go to the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the line. You don't hit right away, unless, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you're the last one teeing off, We'll say we're in

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<v Speaker 1>the t box.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're first, and you put yours in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>Pick up your tea, walk back to the bag, let

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<v Speaker 1>the other three players play, and then you can hit

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<v Speaker 1>your provisional.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh as opposed to your provision, as opposed to just

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<v Speaker 2>dropping the ball immediately or even recognizing you know that

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<v Speaker 2>ball you just hit out of bounds, you can drop

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<v Speaker 2>it over there. It's a lateral hazard, right.

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<v Speaker 1>A lateral water hazard. We you know this. This summer,

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<v Speaker 1>I was walking the dog and contemplating lateral water has

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm sure you do too.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I listen to podcasts when I'm walking the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking about red steaks, and I glance up

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<v Speaker 1>and I see a red stop sign, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>how my mind works. I'm thinking, Okay, what are the

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<v Speaker 1>options at a stop sign? Well, they mirror the options

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<v Speaker 1>for a lateral water hazard red stakes when your water

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<v Speaker 1>your ball goes in. So here we go, Fred. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to put it on you for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're at a stop when you're at an intersection,

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<v Speaker 1>four way intersection, you have to stop sign. You have

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<v Speaker 1>five options. What are they.

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<v Speaker 2>Five options at a four way stop sign.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, now this isn't difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one is stop, the second one is go

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<v Speaker 2>through it. Third one would be kind of rolling stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, no, no, no, no, I'm wrong. Huh. All right, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're stopped at a red st yes, you can stay there,

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<v Speaker 1>turn left, turn right. Oh those options, those options go forward,

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<v Speaker 1>the legal options again, we're you know the rules. Or

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<v Speaker 1>you could put the car and revers or turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and go back. Those are exactly the same options you

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<v Speaker 1>have when your ball goes into a ladder of water hazard.

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<v Speaker 1>So now nobody has to ever wonder what can I

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<v Speaker 1>do when my ball goes in the water on those

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<v Speaker 1>red steaks. So again we'll just kind of say it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can stay there and play the ball as it lies,

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<v Speaker 1>because not always is the ball actually submerged if you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a water hazard.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, so, like I played this weekend up in

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<v Speaker 2>Sonoma in a winery area and there's winery like right

486
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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a golf course and it's red staked,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't want you to go into where the

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<v Speaker 2>where the grapes are growing. But my ball just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like inched by the red steak and I had

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<v Speaker 2>I had somewhat which I could punch it back out.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying, because it's a red steak, I still can

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<v Speaker 2>hit it. I don't have to immediately take the penalty.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, you do not.

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<v Speaker 1>You do not have to. You can play the ball

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<v Speaker 1>as July. A matter of fact, we're talking about PGA

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<v Speaker 1>rules school. The gentleman sitting next to me the past

497
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<v Speaker 1>couple of years is on the not the PGA Tour,

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<v Speaker 1>is on the Golf Channel Tour, and we were going

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<v Speaker 1>over a rule about the wall ball being in a

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<v Speaker 1>water hazard and oscillating. Basically, the waves were coming up

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<v Speaker 1>the ripples just enough to move keep moving the ball

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth. And of course, you know you read

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<v Speaker 1>about these crazy things and you wonder what the option,

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<v Speaker 1>how often this happens? And of course he's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>had that happen to me, and I played it. So

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<v Speaker 1>even when your ball and we've seen this, when your

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<v Speaker 1>ball's in the water, you've seen it on a Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>you can hit out of there. Raised Creek at Augusta

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<v Speaker 1>is a big example. Your ball's wet and these pros

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<v Speaker 1>can hit out of the water. It's only what twenty

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<v Speaker 1>feet straight up onto a nice soft landing, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can play it as it lies, even if it's in

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<v Speaker 1>the water. It might be a difficult shot for most,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've got that one. Talk about going backwards. That

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<v Speaker 1>means you can go back to where you last hit

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<v Speaker 1>it taking your penalty stroke. When I say left and right,

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<v Speaker 1>it depends on what side the water is on. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but you drop the ball on its where it crossed

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<v Speaker 1>the margin in the air, not where it splashed, but

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<v Speaker 1>where it crossed the margin of the water hazard. You

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<v Speaker 1>can drop it to the left. You can drop it

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the water hazard, equal distance

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<v Speaker 1>from the flag. So there's your left and write the

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<v Speaker 1>forward is dropping on a line from where it crossed

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<v Speaker 1>the water hazard with the flag stick is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>as far back as you want, so it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit forward and back. You're looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>get the line, but you drop it behind where it's

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<v Speaker 1>across the water hazard. Okay, so I've written an article

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<v Speaker 1>that basically explains what I just stated. I hope to

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<v Speaker 1>have that on my website in the next week or so,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe before you present this, so you can go to

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<v Speaker 1>the golf rules dot Com A little free article just

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of help educate on lateral water hazards because

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<v Speaker 1>those are difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, And it's the golf rules dot com. Correct three words,

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<v Speaker 2>all one word, the golf rules. Okay, great, great, great, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Mulligan's irk you what's what is the correct way to

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<v Speaker 2>handle hitting a provisional? So it's like, oh, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to announce it correct like you hit a ball. You

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<v Speaker 2>hit a ball and you're not sure it's out of bounds.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't really see over there or went over herell

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<v Speaker 2>or you just you can't tell. And he's like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I better hit a second ball just in case, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And and that's a very good point.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to know that it's lost to hit

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<v Speaker 1>a provisional. And you do exactly as you say. You

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<v Speaker 1>announce that you're going to hit one. If again, go

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<v Speaker 1>back in your turn in line. You know, hit right away.

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<v Speaker 1>You know everybody's already waiting. Let them go unless you're

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<v Speaker 1>the last person. Go look for your first ball first.

552
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<v Speaker 1>If you find that, that's what you play. If not,

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<v Speaker 1>you play your provisional, counting your first stroke and your penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So when you're hitting your provisional you're hitting three,

555
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<v Speaker 2>if you're hitting off two, yes, okay, what about still

556
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<v Speaker 2>people still get really cranky about you walked on my line.

557
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<v Speaker 2>Now we've got shoes that don't make marks, they don't

558
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<v Speaker 2>make much impressions. Well, in California right now because of

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<v Speaker 2>our drought situation, the greens are fast, rock hard and

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<v Speaker 2>fast and I and they keep the grass so short.

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<v Speaker 2>On most greens, you really aren't making any marks. That's

562
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<v Speaker 2>gonna divert their ball. But I know you shouldn't step

563
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<v Speaker 2>on it. But it's like relax, well.

564
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<v Speaker 1>But like you were saying, you shouldn't step on it,

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<v Speaker 1>So just don't do it. I mean, granted, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have an accident, that's different than on every hole Joe

567
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<v Speaker 1>walks across my line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well mostly the ones that are the It's like

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<v Speaker 2>if you walk on because you didn't see where the

570
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<v Speaker 2>guys you know, his marker was on the green, it's like, oh,

571
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<v Speaker 2>I'm really sorry. But if you're putting out and you

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<v Speaker 2>know you you've got to walk up to your you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you tap in or you're gimme if they're gonna do that,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I just made you freak out by something. Gimmy,

575
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<v Speaker 2>But it's like, that's where you're gonna step. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, And then what happens is you take that

577
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<v Speaker 2>big step to get over right. It's like, oh, I

578
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<v Speaker 2>don't want to step on your line, so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take this big step. And what ends up happening is

580
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<v Speaker 2>you're you're just like you're putting, your line is off,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you take your big step, you land right

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<v Speaker 2>on his line or someone else's line right, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you make your the impression in the ground because you

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<v Speaker 2>jumped over.

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<v Speaker 4>And right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's we're not professionals, most of us, so it's not

587
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<v Speaker 1>gonna make a big difference if you go over, but

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00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>it could. And if it does and you watch somebody's

589
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>putt head and right for the cup and it drops

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<v Speaker 1>into where you just stood and goes off to the left,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're you're going to get some comments. I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>No h So it's a lot a lot easier just

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<v Speaker 1>to not walk across the line and not have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about it, even if it doesn't make it or

595
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<v Speaker 1>you may you may not have made any impression. But

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<v Speaker 1>if that ball for some reason doesn't go where was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to, you're going to get blamed.

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<v Speaker 2>In your research asking people what bugs you? What was

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<v Speaker 2>the most common faux pad that that came out?

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<v Speaker 4>Speed of play seemed to be the biggest.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and.

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<v Speaker 2>What do they what do they blame? Blame that on

603
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<v Speaker 2>crappy players or marshals who aren't paying attention.

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<v Speaker 4>I think mostly crappy players, is uh.

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<v Speaker 2>See, that's a problem. We shouldn't get testy about about

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<v Speaker 2>people who are new to the game because there aren't

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<v Speaker 2>that many anymore that are new to the game, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're trying to encourage them. So don't be pissy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a little there's a fine line and you can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of go both ways if you're just starting, you know, again,

611
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<v Speaker 1>as we're saying, maybe you shouldn't be playing far back,

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<v Speaker 1>play up a little bit, or you can. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the USGA has their equitable stroke control, which growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I remember being taught double par you know,

615
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<v Speaker 1>and after that you picked up your ball and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of kept the pace going for everybody, was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Hamenez just this last week carted a thirteen on a

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<v Speaker 1>par four.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, but that's a tournament. I mean, I understand,

620
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<v Speaker 2>but if you carry a handicap if you carry a handicap,

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<v Speaker 2>and most people, you know, I guess who even listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this, But you're carrying a handicap or you're preparing

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<v Speaker 2>to get a handicap for yourself, there is a number

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't go over on the scorecard. I can't

625
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<v Speaker 2>take more than the seven, right, so I never do.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually I don't. The number isn't fixed.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's as we're going, it's you know, double

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<v Speaker 1>bogie or triple bogie, depending on your your your.

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<v Speaker 4>Handicap, because of course you can take more than a.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven on a par five, but on a par three

631
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<v Speaker 1>not so much, right, because you're a nine point something. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it changed this the last time I heard the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it changes every two weeks. And now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>nine to two, which and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I just played a couple of weeks ago by myself,

636
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<v Speaker 1>and I finished my round in an hour and ten

637
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:44.639
<v Speaker 1>granted well nine holes, I was. I was a little

638
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<v Speaker 1>winded by the time I finished. There was one other

639
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<v Speaker 1>person on the course behind me about a hole and

640
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<v Speaker 1>a half. Now, if he had there's I'm sorry, we're

641
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:59.079
<v Speaker 1>leading into another pet peeve. If he was playing faster

642
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<v Speaker 1>than me, you know maybe he had running shoes.

643
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<v Speaker 4>I would have let him come through.

644
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<v Speaker 1>Sure, of course, you know that that's and you know

645
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 1>it's such an ego for everybody that you know, whether

646
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody plays through us. Most golfers don't have a problem

647
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.559
<v Speaker 1>with playing through another group. But nope, they don't want

648
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<v Speaker 1>anybody playing through them. It's true, and it has nothing

649
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:28.280
<v Speaker 1>to do with your manlyhood or how well you golf.

650
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.840
<v Speaker 1>It's just a fact. If the person behind you is

651
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<v Speaker 1>playing faster and there's nobody in front of you, let

652
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<v Speaker 1>them go.

653
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<v Speaker 2>But do you let him go and you wait for

654
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<v Speaker 2>a par three? You let him go anytime?

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<v Speaker 4>It depends on the course.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a little more difficult if you're in

657
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<v Speaker 1>the middle of a hole, unless you know, maybe everybody's

658
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<v Speaker 1>approach shots went wide into the woods. Now you got

659
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<v Speaker 1>some time and I've done both. You know, you wait

660
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<v Speaker 1>till for a par three go through. Personally, I almost

661
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 1>feel it it's more difficult because if everybody is on

662
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.559
<v Speaker 1>the green, they're waiting for you to hit on, walk

663
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<v Speaker 1>up and put out. It seems like that takes longer

664
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<v Speaker 1>than if they're a stroke behind you on a par

665
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<v Speaker 1>five where they just hit right through you and you'll

666
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<v Speaker 1>be done.

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00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 4>But that's just me.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, that's a good point because I think that

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<v Speaker 2>any time I've ever asked, like, you guys want to

670
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<v Speaker 2>play through, it's always been on a par three. But

671
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 2>you're right, that actually does slow things down. It's better

672
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<v Speaker 2>to do on a par four or part five.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a I think it was the History Channel

674
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 1>had a real interesting article where they timed all the

675
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>golfers coming through and they were showing how the bottleneck

676
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:53.079
<v Speaker 1>being at the par threes. You've as you know, you

677
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 1>generally pay you out about what every you know, nine

678
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 1>eleven minutes, depending on how crowd of the course is. Well,

679
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.320
<v Speaker 1>if it takes longer than that to play that hole,

680
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 1>then everybody backs up there and it backs up all

681
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<v Speaker 1>day long. So it's an interesting thought process as opposed

682
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<v Speaker 1>to sending on everybody out evenly, because you're not going

683
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<v Speaker 1>to be even once you get through that first hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

685
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 1>But I think that gets back down to, you know,

686
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<v Speaker 1>dollars and cents for the course.

687
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<v Speaker 2>I think the other reason that it works for people

688
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<v Speaker 2>to let someone play through on a par three is

689
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.079
<v Speaker 2>because you can mark your ball, you can get it

690
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.119
<v Speaker 2>out of the way where on a fair way people

691
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:33.679
<v Speaker 2>aren't going to be picking up their ball and they're

692
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 2>not sure that's a bad excuse. Okay, no, I like

693
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 2>this idea. Yeah, no, no, I think that's good. That's good. Wow,

694
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<v Speaker 2>you have over two hundred BETI good folkus I.

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<v Speaker 4>Think I think it's two hundred and forty three?

696
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<v Speaker 1>Is the count in that book?

697
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 2>You are such a spreadsheet, not two and forty three?

698
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<v Speaker 4>I had to know.

699
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because guys like me and go, so how

700
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>many you got in here? Well, it's on the cover.

701
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.599
<v Speaker 1>It says over too, and saying over two two and

702
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>forty just doesn't have the same ring. So and I

703
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't quite pump it up to two fifties, so I

704
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<v Speaker 1>just let it go.

705
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 2>So fixing fixing ball marks on the green and raking bunkers,

706
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 2>is that a rule or is that etiquette?

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<v Speaker 4>That is etiquette. I don't believe there's any rule.

708
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, there's some guidance on Well, there are some rules

709
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 1>about raking, yep, you know how when you do it.

710
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:29.559
<v Speaker 2>But doesn't every every course have their own rule of

711
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:30.559
<v Speaker 2>where you leave the rake?

712
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, yeah, there are a lot of local rules.

713
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 1>There seems to be a one overwhelming rule or guideline

714
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.280
<v Speaker 1>is that the rake is always perpendicular with the fairway.

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00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've never heard that. And there's a video at

716
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.679
<v Speaker 2>golf smarter dot com on our golf Smarter TV that

717
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I recently did for the country club here Marine country

718
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Club on course care pace of play, and their rule

719
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<v Speaker 2>is always put the rake with the handle sticking out.

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<v Speaker 2>Put the you know, the head in the sand and

721
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.079
<v Speaker 2>the handle sticking out. But they didn't say anything about, uh,

722
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 2>the direction of the.

723
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Fairway is that with the whole rake in the bunker.

724
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>No, just the handle sticking out of the edge of

725
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.719
<v Speaker 2>the bunker. Okay, But they didn't say anything about it

726
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 2>should be in the same direction as the way of play.

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00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 1>I think the concept is if your ball is heading

728
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 1>towards the flag and the rake is going the same way,

729
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you have a less less chance of the ball being stopped,

730
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to if you know the rake is at

731
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 1>ninety degrees to the flag you hit it, it's just

732
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>going to stop, as opposed if it's going the same way,

733
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:43.079
<v Speaker 1>you're just going to roll with it.

734
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Fun stuff, fun stuff, fun book, fun book. Did you

735
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 2>do eighteen chapter? You did eighteen chapters? Again? On this

736
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 2>right nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I went a little went past.

738
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you doing a little farther this.

739
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I got a paragraph for twenty. But well, this one's

740
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 1>a real interesting storyline. It was funny again at an

741
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 1>author event, I was talking to a person. She had

742
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>lost her sister to breast cancer. So they started an

743
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>annual breast cancer awareness golf outing and they're in about

744
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>their ninth ninth year. It's kind of the story behind

745
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.679
<v Speaker 1>the story in the book. A municipal golfer wins a

746
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 1>round of golf at a local country club for a charity,

747
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and so it was kind of fun here in her

748
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:44.280
<v Speaker 1>story because it mirrored what I had already written. Golf.

749
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, as we know, it's it's not just a

750
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>game of moving the ball from one area to another.

751
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a way of life. It gives to

752
00:41:54.719 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the community, it can help sick people. You can golf

753
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 1>with somebody you don't speak the same language, and managed

754
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>to spend four six hours with somebody, And it's okay,

755
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 1>uh to that. I've started writing a golf manifesto of

756
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>everything that golf is.

757
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.360
<v Speaker 4>So wow, I will it's.

758
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Going to be thicker than this book. I have a

759
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>sense and that could be something I'm writing the rest

760
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 2>of your life, right it could yeah, yeah, yeah, but

761
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 2>you have you have other things, I mean from you

762
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 2>were telling me that all these you know, when you

763
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 2>go out and do these author talks and you meet

764
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.239
<v Speaker 2>people and you do your research, You've got a lot

765
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of other stories that you've been compiling.

766
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I do some of these stories that people tell everybody

767
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>has a golf story, it seems like, and some are

768
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>better than others.

769
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 4>So I've taked some.

770
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Are clean, yeah, I And so I've put those together

771
00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:00.199
<v Speaker 1>and I'm doing a book of short stories and ring

772
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the writing of this, which I know will take just

773
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 1>historically it's going to take at least a year, if

774
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 1>not several, to put together the whole thing. I've started

775
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.400
<v Speaker 1>publishing like five chapters at a time as an ebook.

776
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:14.559
<v Speaker 1>It's in the Kindle market for ninety nine cents.

777
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 4>It's called Short Stories from.

778
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.760
<v Speaker 1>The Long Links. So if you're looking for something a

779
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.679
<v Speaker 1>little more lighthearted, check that out.

780
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>For ninety nine cents, why the heck not? And I

781
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>will make sure that the link to that and the

782
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 2>link to golf rules Etiquette, those are both on Amazon,

783
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 2>right all your boy, Yes, yeah, And I'll make sure

784
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.559
<v Speaker 2>that there are links to that at golf smarter dot com.

785
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Great, and the first book, The Golf Rules on Stroke Play,

786
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 1>is in some select Barnes and Nobles.

787
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 4>It was quite a thrill. I walked into the store.

788
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I was doing an author event just outside of

789
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:53.599
<v Speaker 1>Barnes and Nobles at another store, and my wife texted

790
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:55.559
<v Speaker 1>me she was in the store. She says, Hey, your

791
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:56.519
<v Speaker 1>book's on the shelf.

792
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

793
00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Very cool culture.

794
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I actually was interviewed for a book that somebody was writing,

795
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and when she wrote to us and said the book

796
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Speaker 2>is it's out, It's in the store. My wife and

797
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I ran to the store and there was that thrill

798
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.840
<v Speaker 2>of finding, you know, not just my name in the book,

799
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 2>but there was a chapter on me. It's like, what nice? No,

800
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's not a pleasant thing. Different topic, different podcasts. Okay,

801
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>So to wrap this up, tell me how people can

802
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 2>find your stuff online and how they can find you

803
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 2>and write to you if they need to.

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00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, of course, Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, men, a few

805
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:43.119
<v Speaker 1>select golf specialty stores online and brick and mortar have

806
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the website the golf roles dot com, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube,

807
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and I have a blog out at WordPress, all of

808
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.079
<v Speaker 1>which you can get to from my website.

809
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Also, what are you doing on YouTube?

810
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I put together a kind of like a book trailer

811
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<v Speaker 1>for the first book, So Much, So Much fun. A

812
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:07.119
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine, he actually is a NASA engineer that

813
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 1>likes to dabble in video. And so I called up

814
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the local course and said, I've got this book. I'd

815
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.119
<v Speaker 1>like to stop by and you know, do some filming,

816
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 1>and he said sure. So we showed up and he

817
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:20.840
<v Speaker 1>gave us keys to the cart and it was.

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00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 4>A fall day.

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00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Well that's about a year ago, and we basically had

820
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.199
<v Speaker 1>the course to ourselves. We just drove around and took

821
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.159
<v Speaker 1>video here and different swings and you know, dropping balls

822
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and water and sand and of course we had to

823
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>play a couple of the part threes, but we just

824
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 1>drove around and it was it was amazing. Yeah, you know,

825
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to the structured walking through the eighteen holes,

826
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.119
<v Speaker 1>we just went wherever we wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Willy Nilly, Well, again, thank you so much for writing

828
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.880
<v Speaker 2>this book. And I think people should have this and

829
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 2>your other one on their shelves for no other reason.

830
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Then it's a reference. It's a reference source, and you

831
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 2>can just like, wait a minute, there is a rule

832
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.239
<v Speaker 2>for that, or there's a thought for that. Let me

833
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.000
<v Speaker 2>go find that, and here's where you do it. And

834
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.000
<v Speaker 2>they're not thick books. And the thing that I do

835
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.119
<v Speaker 2>love about your books is that they're stories. It's not

836
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:21.360
<v Speaker 2>just you know, very dry USGA type legalies. These are stories.

837
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 2>As you say, it's learn the rules by watching others

838
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>make mistakes. It's awesome and congratulations and thank you again

839
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 2>for your support of golf Smarter.

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00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 4>Oh you're welcome.

841
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 1>And of course they make great Christmas grifts if you want,

842
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I can do personalizations. I love hearing from people that

843
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 1>have given them as gifts, you know, I hear. Hey,

844
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Bill went to open the book and he saw

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<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned his Thursday round of golf, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was just amazed that you knew he played golf on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonder then you run again