1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Graham Ricky and I'm from Oakland, New Zealand, 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,279 and I play at Tyre Golf and Country Club. This 3 00:00:09,439 --> 00:00:10,320 is golf Smart. 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: Golf Smarter number four hundred and sixty two, originally published 5 00:00:13,919 --> 00:00:16,239 on November fourteen, twenty fourteen. 6 00:00:16,399 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 3: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 7 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:25,079 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:31,120 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 9 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:36,000 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 10 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:39,640 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 11 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: If it bothers you that much to card a ninety 12 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:46,520 five versus a ninety one, get lessons, It's not about 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,799 the score. I read recently Ben Hogan said before every 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,840 round he knew he was going to have four bad shots. Okay, 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,159 now this is a professional. I kind of go out 16 00:00:56,159 --> 00:00:58,320 thinking I'm gonna have four good shots, and it just 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,920 is what it is. When I first started playing by 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,400 the rules, my scores went up dramastically, but I knew 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,599 at the end of the day that that was my 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,200 true score, and I could tell people that with accuracy 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,599 and not be ashamed. 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 4: Because that is what I shot. 23 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't make me any less of a golfer or 24 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:18,959 any better golfer by saying you shot something lower. That's 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,959 kind of one of my pet peeves about that. But 26 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:23,680 you have to hit anyhow. Some people drop a ball 27 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,200 immediately and just hit right away. Actually, the rule book 28 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:28,599 says you don't hit right away unless, of course, you're 29 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:31,560 the last one teeing off. So if you're first and 30 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:33,560 you put yours in the woods, pick up your tea, 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,280 walk back to the bag, let the other three players play, 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,239 and then you can hit your provision. 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: Hey, you're standing on my line. Golf Etiquette with Richard Toff. 34 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:52,959 This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Richard. 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,079 Speaker 4: Hey, Fred, it's great to be back. 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: It's like you never left a lot of time with 37 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:00,480 Golf Smarter. 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: Huh yes, every week. 39 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:05,719 Speaker 2: Well, I get to spend a lot of time with 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:11,159 your books. Now, thank you, and you got a new one. Congratulations. 41 00:02:11,159 --> 00:02:14,319 So let's let's recap what the last book was so 42 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,120 we can promote that. 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: First absolutely, please, we'll take you back five years. First, 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,840 my son was graduating eighth grade, getting ready to become 45 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:29,120 a big, bad freshman and decided he wanted to be 46 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,120 on the golf team. So it was a great summer. 47 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,120 I got to play a lot of. 48 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: Golf, you know, and you've been playing golf all your life. 49 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: I have. 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,759 Speaker 1: I had been thirty some years. But you know, it's 51 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,080 harder to get every weekend off to play golf. But 52 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,800 I told the wife, you know, I've got to do 53 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:49,400 this so that Nicholas can make the team. 54 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, and excuse and yes, it's very hard, and I 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,759 do acknowledge it is very hard for anybody with young 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,919 children to get out on the golf course on a 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:07,039 regular basis, very hard unless they drag their kids along exactly. 58 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 4: So we're out there during that in the day and 59 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:11,599 at night. 60 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: I decided to try to read the USGA Rules of Golf. 61 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:19,879 I had attempted it once before. As you know, it's 62 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,240 a very difficult book to get through. No offense to 63 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,879 the usg you know, that's a legal document and there 64 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:29,719 is some legal eaese in there, and it's tough to 65 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:32,360 get through even if you read it from cover to 66 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,719 cover understanding it is a completely different ballgame. So as 67 00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:41,159 I'm reading the section on tending the flag stick, I 68 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:45,479 was mentally transported back to being sixteen myself and the 69 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,360 first time my dad took me out with him and 70 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:54,159 his friends. I was, of course, just elated that the 71 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:57,159 old man would take me golfing with his friends. I 72 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,560 managed to work through the first te jitters, kept my 73 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:03,560 driving fairway, and made my way to the green, and 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,639 I'm feeling confident. Now I'm getting ready to settle in 75 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,560 for a nice round of golf, to pull my weight 76 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:12,039 and impress the old man. I'm tending the flag stick. 77 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,439 He's just off the green and he sculls it and 78 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:21,399 it is screaming at the hole. Well, I pulled the 79 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:23,759 flagstick out, and he starts yelling for me to put 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,800 it back in because he wants that backboard action. 81 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course. 82 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: Well that doesn't happen, and the ball goes over the hole, 83 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,680 across the green and down the hill, and what should 84 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:39,879 have been a possible birdie ended up being a double bogie. 85 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:44,319 And he proceeds to let me know, very verbally, very loud, 86 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,959 how happy he is that I'm there that day, in 87 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,800 front of all his friends and everybody on the course. 88 00:04:50,519 --> 00:04:54,360 So I carried that golf guilt around for three decades 89 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:56,680 and as I'm reading that, well, why. 90 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:58,759 Speaker 2: Do I not believe you that he was so happy 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,439 that he was black ragging about having. 92 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,959 Speaker 1: You thereout air quotes around the happiness. 93 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: Okay, air quotes. I missed the eye out. I'm sorry, 94 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,120 I'm blinked. 95 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: It was. 96 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,399 Speaker 4: It was not a very good time. 97 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: I mean, old you were you. I was sixteen, and 98 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,680 his friends or his friends stepped in and they're like, 99 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,600 you know, just go ahead to hit another one, and 100 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:23,160 you know, don't worry about it and anything. So uh. 101 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,399 In reading the chapter on flankstick, I realized he was wrong. 102 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,759 I was right there. You don't get to choose after 103 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,040 you hit the ball if you want it in or 104 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,839 pull it out, whatever fits you best. 105 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: So wait, what did he He asked you to tend it? Well, 106 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:41,680 or he asked you to pull it? 107 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:45,079 Speaker 1: Initially, I don't remember if he asked me to tend it, 108 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,279 but I was standing there with my hand on it, 109 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:49,959 and according to the rule book, if somebody is there, 110 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:54,600 that is considered tending it. Because he saw me standing there, 111 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:57,600 he knew I was going to pull it because my 112 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:58,480 hand was on it. 113 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Okay, so. 114 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: He needed to make that decision before he hit either 115 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:08,639 for me, to move away or pull it or get 116 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,160 ready to pull it after he hits. So it made 117 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,480 me maybe kind of mad that I had to carry 118 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,040 that guilt around for three decades. 119 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 4: And I said, nobody should have to go through this. 120 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,399 Speaker 2: Oh, listen, as any kid, as any adult knows what 121 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,360 you're going to find something to carry the guilt around 122 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:29,480 for decades. 123 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:31,399 Speaker 4: Yes, I understand. 124 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:37,079 Speaker 1: So it became my mission at that point to help 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,199 educate people so that this didn't happen to somebody else. 126 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,519 And as I'm reading the rule book, each time I 127 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:48,639 go through a section, I've got a memory of something 128 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,720 that mirrored what they're trying to explain. And it just 129 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,240 occurred to me that I could just put all of 130 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:01,319 these memories into one long and rather painful round of 131 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:06,519 golf and explain the rules in a very lighthearted manner 132 00:07:07,519 --> 00:07:13,399 that's easy to understand. And that's how the golf rules 133 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:14,600 idea started. 134 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,279 Speaker 2: Okay, So the first book, so the first book we 135 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:21,360 were talking about golf rules is the rules. 136 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: It is on stroke play. 137 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,319 Speaker 2: Stroke play rules. Okay, and now you've decided you're going 138 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:29,000 to go and do a series on these. And the 139 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,959 second one here is on etiquette. 140 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: Correct and actually That idea came about very soon after 141 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,199 the original idea to write the golf rules on stroke play, 142 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,360 you know, because I said to myself, well, that's just 143 00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:43,160 one part of the game, so we're going to need 144 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:46,439 to do etiquette. And I also have plans for the 145 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,600 third book next summer to be on match play. Okay, 146 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,560 so well we'll hit all three components of the game. 147 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:56,639 And so I started writing, I'm reading through the rules 148 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,720 of golf. I need to make sure I know what 149 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,839 I'm talking about. So I sign up for USGA Rules School, which, 150 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,680 for those that don't know, is four days of intense 151 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,279 rules discussion. You're talking nine to ten hours a day 152 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,120 just going through that little book, and the last day 153 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,360 is a four hour exam on the rules of golf, 154 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:26,160 and most people don't finish the exam in that time. 155 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,920 It's grueling. Wow. And to make matters worse at the 156 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,039 end of the day is if you're not tired enough. 157 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,960 Most everybody goes back to their hotel room and studies 158 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,200 for the next day. You should see these booklets that 159 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:46,440 everyone has, and they're all thumbnailed and little stickies everywhere 160 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,720 for each rule number and notes, and there's highlighting in them. 161 00:08:51,039 --> 00:08:53,600 I didn't study this much for a single class I 162 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:56,159 had in college. 163 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you were going to try to make a 164 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:58,840 living out. 165 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,519 Speaker 4: Of that, that's true. 166 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,399 Speaker 2: But I'm tullious. So now if you have these, you know, 167 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,200 official workshops and tests and things for the rules, where 168 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,279 do you what is your resource for getting over two 169 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:14,080 hundred etiquette faux pause for this book? I mean it's 170 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,799 not these aren't written down anywhere? Are they? 171 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: There are etiquette rules. 172 00:09:19,919 --> 00:09:23,519 Speaker 1: There are a few listed in the USGA rulebook. 173 00:09:23,919 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: Very few, I gotta imagine. 174 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 4: Yes, I think maybe a dozen or two dozen. 175 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: I talked to course pros, maintenance crews, other golfers, pretty 176 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:40,360 much anybody I could run into, you know, sitting around 177 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,399 on the nineteenth hole, asking people what's your what's your 178 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,159 biggest pet peeve? And doing some online research. 179 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: And how many of those pet peeves did not end 180 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,120 up in the book. 181 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: I think I had a couple dozen that I really 182 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:57,399 didn't get in there. 183 00:09:57,399 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: Like what sure I could have? You know, I dig this, 184 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,240 I did this see you last time? 185 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: And you know. 186 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:09,919 Speaker 1: It's funny because I had b If you would, that's fine. 187 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 2: You need to take it. You need to study. From 188 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:12,840 my interview. 189 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:14,879 Speaker 4: To answer your question. 190 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: One that I really was a little upset about not 191 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,519 putting in there are the little flags that are marked 192 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,639 ground under repair. You know, sometimes you see fifteen little 193 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,960 yellow flags, know about a foot tall. That was something 194 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,519 that I didn't get in. I do have ground under 195 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:36,840 repair listed, but not that specific instance. And that was 196 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:39,960 something that I don't know just tickled my fancy and 197 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,080 wish I would have put in there. And it's but 198 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,799 it's funny you should say what's not in there? Because 199 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:50,159 I had one bad review on Amazon and this individual 200 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,120 gave me a three out of five stars and said, 201 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:56,399 I wish there was more on out of Bounds. 202 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 4: Well, I think there was enough. 203 00:10:59,039 --> 00:11:01,799 Speaker 1: In there, but I checked to see and this individual 204 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:06,960 had also rated Butch Harmon's latest release the same score, 205 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:07,720 So I guess. 206 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,799 Speaker 4: I can't feel bad. Even though he didn't give me 207 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,200 a five. 208 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:12,399 Speaker 1: He rated me the same as Butch Harmon's. 209 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: Oh pretty good. 210 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: It's nice class to be it. 211 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: I'll tell you. The review thing is always fun, but 212 00:11:25,759 --> 00:11:29,000 it gets dangerous because you start like reading it and 213 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:33,240 then taking it seriously and then taking it personally. I 214 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:36,039 do that in the iTunes reviews, and if anybody wants 215 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:38,440 to write an iTunes review. I'm not going to stop them. 216 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,360 I would love to get but I make sure it's 217 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:44,320 an honest review. Please please, and please, Richard, please ask 218 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,320 people go do a review of iTunes of golf Smarter 219 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,919 and iTunes. We haven't had one in a while anyway, 220 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,840 So are they Okay? I'm just going to ask you 221 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,679 various etiquete rules because this actually came up this weekend 222 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:03,159 on my round. Are there etiquette rules for a hole 223 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,519 in one? 224 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: You know? 225 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:11,799 Speaker 4: I have not heard any. Oh dude, did you have 226 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:14,000 a hole in one? Okay? 227 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: I did not, nor did anybody my foresome but he 228 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:20,200 came off lee close. We think it hit the stick 229 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,919 and it landed like four inches from the cup, which 230 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:23,480 was awesome. 231 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: So are you're saying that you could carry on too 232 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,200 much if you get a hole in one and that's 233 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,120 a faux pop? Well? 234 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:36,919 Speaker 2: What what is the the correct procedure after a person 235 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,960 gets a hole in one and the round is over? 236 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,759 What is correct? What is the accepted etiquette rule of 237 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:46,600 what happens in the clubhouse afterwards? 238 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: I think that one is so such a small percentage 239 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:53,480 of people to get that. 240 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't have any research on that one. 241 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: But research you ask people question's what business you off 242 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,639 I would say for that one, there's you know, anything goes. 243 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: Everybody should promote that one, and you know you should 244 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,200 get drinks all around, maybe even a nice steak dinner afterwards. Well, 245 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,000 I do know there's a website dedicated to hole in 246 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,399 ones and you mark down where you were playing the 247 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,120 conditions of that particular hole in your name and nice. 248 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Actually, there's a lot of websites about holding ones. I've 249 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,240 done it once. I've gotten a hole in one once, 250 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,759 and I have a certificate from the PGA that has 251 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:34,279 my name on it saying I got a hole in one. 252 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,360 I have a yeah, they said, I have a like 253 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:40,960 a bag tag that says I've gotten a hole in one. 254 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 255 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:44,639 Speaker 2: There's lots of things you can get, lots of goodies 256 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:47,039 that says that's it. But you have to you have 257 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,080 to give them some sort of proof. But I've heard 258 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:57,399 everything from you buy everybody in your forsome a drink afterward, 259 00:13:57,759 --> 00:14:01,960 and all the way to you by everybody in the 260 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,639 clubhouse or in the bar at the clubhouse. At the 261 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,840 nineteenth hole. You have to buy everybody drinks until the 262 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,519 last person standing. I mean, that's a wide range of 263 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,240 what you got to do. 264 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:18,799 Speaker 1: Those sound like rules made by people that are looking 265 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:19,840 for free drinks. 266 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: Well, golfers are not in that group, are you kidding? 267 00:14:25,559 --> 00:14:28,320 Who doesn't like a free anything exactly? I mean, how 268 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,279 many times guys go around looking for golf balls? Oh, 269 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,279 I found the ball? Yeah, so, but we're waiting. 270 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:36,639 Speaker 4: That's in the book too. 271 00:14:36,879 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that one about looking about what it 272 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:42,919 means to just go hunting for balls during the round, 273 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:48,000 even if you haven't lost yours. What's the proper etiquette 274 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:48,240 for that? 275 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:55,639 Speaker 1: One thing most important is don't hold up anybody behind 276 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:56,519 you or your group. 277 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:00,399 Speaker 4: Yep, that's probably the biggest pah. 278 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: You know. Granted, if you see somebody coming up out 279 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,639 of the marsh and they've got a duffel that they 280 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:11,120 found four dozen, it's you just kind of have to wonder. 281 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,600 And especially we know most of those balls aren't really playable, 282 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:19,600 so the speed of play on that one is it's 283 00:15:19,639 --> 00:15:23,840 probably the biggest point to take home when you're talking 284 00:15:23,879 --> 00:15:28,320 about etiquette too. You can use it to make your 285 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,039 game more enjoyable even before you take your first swing, 286 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,399 especially if you're with it. Teamed up with somebody you 287 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:38,519 haven't played with before. Of course, you know, you go 288 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:42,440 through the introductions and I always write down the other 289 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,039 player's names, you know, in the corner of the scorecard somewhere, 290 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,080 so that you know, the third hole when I need 291 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:49,799 Jim to move, I remember his name, at least it's 292 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,360 a fifty to fifty chance, as do I. 293 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: I try, because I'm not good with names. Bob and 294 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,159 I'm sorry, Richard and I am And I also like 295 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,039 try write down, like what cap he's wearing, because I 296 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,000 hate getting him wrong. I can't just write Tom and Bill, 297 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,799 all right, Tom white cap, Oh, okay, that's Tom. 298 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,879 Speaker 1: Those are good ones too. Yeah, and then also mention 299 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:19,000 your golfing ability, your handicap where you like to hit 300 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:24,039 from rather than being on the second hole and you're 301 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,120 in the woods, and the rest of your players are 302 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:29,879 starting to pull their hair out because now they realize 303 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,639 we thought we were going to play a speedy par 304 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:36,360 around and we've got mister triple bogie over here. Yeah. 305 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: But what choice do you have. I mean, if you 306 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,919 go to the you go to the first t and 307 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,799 the starter says you're twosome is team this? You got 308 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:48,600 a single here, in a single here that's playing with you. 309 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,639 You walk up to and say, hey, how's your game? 310 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,279 I'm not so sure I agree with you on this one. 311 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:56,000 It's like, Hi, how are you? And then you just 312 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:58,679 have to be patient. But you can't tell the starter 313 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,320 this guy sucks. I don't want to play with him. 314 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,039 Speaker 1: Well, I've seen that done too. Really, wouldn't you rather 315 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,640 know before the round starts that it's going to be 316 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:14,680 slow and you, and knowing his inability, you can guide 317 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:17,200 him a little more, you know, maybe he tell him, 318 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:19,599 don't be hitting from the blues, let's scoot you up 319 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,359 a little bit, or help watch his shot a little more. 320 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,480 You know. That's another great pace of play item in 321 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:31,400 the book. You've got this threesome and one guy hits 322 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,039 in the woods and he turns to the other one 323 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:36,119 and says, did you see where it landed? And the 324 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,599 snotty character says, it's not my ball. I wasn't watching it. 325 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,799 But then the second person hits, puts his ball in 326 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:47,200 the woods and he says, anybody see where it landed. 327 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:50,519 First guy says, yes, it's at the third tree at 328 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:54,559 the base, And it just saves lots of time from 329 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:55,480 having to look around. 330 00:17:55,599 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, no question about it. 331 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: I just I I. 332 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: Don't know, I've not well. The first thing I never 333 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:06,279 want to do is tell people how they should be playing. 334 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:10,400 I mean, I don't even I generally don't bring up 335 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,480 the podcast until the seventeenth hole. I don't because it's like, 336 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:16,400 I don't want to, I don't want to talk about 337 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,880 me on this thing, and I just like, maybe I'm 338 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,079 going to have a potentially new listener, so I want 339 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:23,559 to bring it up at some point, and I generally 340 00:18:23,599 --> 00:18:25,359 just say there's a difference. Have you ever heard of 341 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,640 a podcast? But telling people like, you know, like what 342 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:31,000 where they should play? You want to play the fronts, 343 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:33,519 go ahead, I'm going to play the blues today, or 344 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:34,680 you know, I'm going to play the whites. 345 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not saying you should tell them, but you can, 346 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:44,160 especially if somebody's breaking some major etiquette or even the rules, 347 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:46,720 you might want to just mention to them, you know, hey, 348 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,640 that was a nice shot, but this is how it's 349 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,119 supposed to be played. The concept that you know, started 350 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,200 these the books is that most people haven't had any 351 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:01,319 thorough education. 352 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: Exposure, let's just call it exposure. 353 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:06,799 Speaker 4: Not okay, yeah, and for. 354 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,079 Speaker 1: That individual, let's just say he was breaking an etiquette 355 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,960 and you didn't say anything. Well, golf is a cradle 356 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,359 to grave sport, as you know, so he could repeat 357 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,160 that same error for the next fifty years. 358 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: He couldn't feel responsible for that. 359 00:19:29,279 --> 00:19:32,079 Speaker 1: You know what, I think for the good of the game, 360 00:19:32,279 --> 00:19:37,720 we all have some citizen responsibility that you know. In 361 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,319 addition to you know, him doing it wrong for fifty years, 362 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,480 he might turn somebody off to the game. You know, 363 00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:46,960 they might think that what this player was doing is 364 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:50,039 standard and don't want to have anything to do with golf, 365 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,319 or that person will teach others. You know. It's it's 366 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,839 like the spam email. As long as you keep forwarding 367 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,640 the chain mail, it keeps going. But if you stop it, 368 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,960 nobody has to have their inbox flooded and there are 369 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,240 You're right, it can be a difficult situation, you know, 370 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,680 as you were saying, if you've got somebody new, how 371 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,359 many times have we just thought the guys are putts? 372 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:17,799 But in three hours I don't have to deal with 373 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:22,400 them again. But there's an opportunity there to help his life, 374 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,640 possibly his game be better, and everybody he touches thereafter, 375 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:29,039 who cares if you insult him? 376 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 4: You know, some things need. 377 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: To be done. 378 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and again to me, it's like, are we 379 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,359 playing for money today? And are you in? If you're in, 380 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,440 then okay, let's all agree on these etiquette rules and 381 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,759 all the real rules. But otherwise they do what you want. 382 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,559 I'm from California, man, We're all about doing what you want, 383 00:20:54,559 --> 00:21:03,559 and I'm not country club. Are there a list of 384 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,759 rules in your book for etiquette rules for marshals? 385 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 4: Marshals? 386 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: We do have a couple listed in there. They're not 387 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:16,279 for marshals to behave. But I know that's a hot 388 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:16,920 button for you. 389 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 2: Ooh boy, oh boy, you know because you mentioned. But 390 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,960 it's like, okay, keep an eye on where the ball goes, 391 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:25,240 so you watch and you can help pick up the 392 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:28,160 pace of play. Why aren't the marshals doing if they're 393 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,720 just driving around in circles doing nothing Telegate except telling 394 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,400 you that you're going too slow, Well that's because I 395 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,440 lost my ball. Oh man, they make me creazy. 396 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,799 Speaker 1: Well, you know that might go back to being educated 397 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:44,599 and experienced from somebody else that doesn't know what they're doing. 398 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:48,000 You know, I assume some of these marshals may not 399 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,000 have been through USGAPGA rules school. They might be older 400 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:58,839 golfers that can't really play as much, so they're trying 401 00:21:58,920 --> 00:21:59,359 to help. 402 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: What are common etiquette faux pas that really irk you? 403 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,079 Speaker 1: For me, the mulligan and hitting right away, which you 404 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:16,759 can kind of roll in together. So many every golfer 405 00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:20,839 knows what a mulligan is, despite there being no mention 406 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,960 of a mulligan in the rule book. You know everybody 407 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,440 wants to hit again, Well guess what you get. You 408 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,079 do get to hit again, but you count your first 409 00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:31,279 stroke and count your second stroke as a penalty stroke. 410 00:22:31,519 --> 00:22:34,839 To me, the it mirrors. Let's say you're playing Monopoly 411 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,000 and you land on go directly to jail. Can you 412 00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:41,799 imagine turning to the person on your left and saying, 413 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,079 I'm going to roll again. Let's not count that. 414 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,799 Speaker 2: I love that idea, it's just what it is. Or 415 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,200 I'm going to try that next time I play Monopoly. 416 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:54,359 Can I get a mulligan on that roll? Some are 417 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,519 the crap table, even just the craft table. You're playing. 418 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,079 Speaker 1: A little backarrack. Some people say, well, you know what, 419 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,359 everybody gets a mulligan in our group, Well, why don't 420 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,119 you just count the stroke and add four onto everybody's 421 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,119 or three onto everybody's game. 422 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:16,559 Speaker 4: It's about the same, right If. 423 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: It bothers you that much to card a ninety five 424 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,920 versus a ninety one, get lessons. It's not about the score. 425 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:31,480 And I read recently Ben Hogan said before every round 426 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,440 he knew he was gonna have four bad shots. Okay, 427 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,799 now this is a professional, so I kind of go 428 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,279 out thinking I'm gonna have four good shots, and it 429 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,920 just is what it is. When I first started playing 430 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,119 by the rules, my scores went up dramastically, but I 431 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,960 knew at the end of the day that that was 432 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,240 my true score, and I could tell people that with 433 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,559 accuracy and not be ashamed because that is what I shot. 434 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:01,319 It doesn't make me any less of a golfer or 435 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,759 any better golfer by saying you shot something lower. So 436 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,720 that's kind of one of my pet peeves about that. 437 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,039 But and then again for those that take them or 438 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:17,839 I guess you have to hit anyhow, some people drop 439 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,799 a ball immediately and just hit right away. Well, the rules, actually, 440 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:24,759 the rule book says you go to the back of 441 00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,279 the line. You don't hit right away, unless, of course, 442 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:30,079 you're the last one teeing off, We'll say we're in 443 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:30,680 the t box. 444 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 4: So if you're first, and you put yours in the woods. 445 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,839 Speaker 1: Pick up your tea, walk back to the bag, let 446 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,200 the other three players play, and then you can hit 447 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:40,960 your provisional. 448 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: Oh as opposed to your provision, as opposed to just 449 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:46,839 dropping the ball immediately or even recognizing you know that 450 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,960 ball you just hit out of bounds, you can drop 451 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,839 it over there. It's a lateral hazard, right. 452 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,559 Speaker 1: A lateral water hazard. We you know this. This summer, 453 00:24:56,599 --> 00:25:00,359 I was walking the dog and contemplating lateral water has 454 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:01,920 as I'm sure you do too. 455 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: No, I listen to podcasts when I'm walking the dog. 456 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:09,599 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking about red steaks, and I glance up 457 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,200 and I see a red stop sign, and this is 458 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,079 how my mind works. I'm thinking, Okay, what are the 459 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:22,519 options at a stop sign? Well, they mirror the options 460 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:24,839 for a lateral water hazard red stakes when your water 461 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,359 your ball goes in. So here we go, Fred. Now, 462 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,839 I'm going to put it on you for a second. 463 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,880 When you're at a stop when you're at an intersection, 464 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,400 four way intersection, you have to stop sign. You have 465 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,920 five options. What are they. 466 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,079 Speaker 2: Five options at a four way stop sign. 467 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: Yes, now this isn't difficult. 468 00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:43,599 Speaker 1: Okay. 469 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: The first one is stop, the second one is go 470 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,839 through it. Third one would be kind of rolling stop. 471 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, no, no, I'm wrong. Huh. All right, if 472 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,640 you're stopped at a red st yes, you can stay there, 473 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,720 turn left, turn right. Oh those options, those options go forward, 474 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,319 the legal options again, we're you know the rules. Or 475 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:13,920 you could put the car and revers or turn around 476 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,400 and go back. Those are exactly the same options you 477 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:19,920 have when your ball goes into a ladder of water hazard. 478 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,079 So now nobody has to ever wonder what can I 479 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,000 do when my ball goes in the water on those 480 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,119 red steaks. So again we'll just kind of say it. 481 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,839 You can stay there and play the ball as it lies, 482 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,119 because not always is the ball actually submerged if you're 483 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,440 in a water hazard. 484 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,319 Speaker 2: But wait, so, like I played this weekend up in 485 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,960 Sonoma in a winery area and there's winery like right 486 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,680 in the middle of a golf course and it's red staked, 487 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,359 and they don't want you to go into where the 488 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,640 where the grapes are growing. But my ball just kind 489 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,799 of like inched by the red steak and I had 490 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,400 I had somewhat which I could punch it back out. 491 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:08,680 You're saying, because it's a red steak, I still can 492 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:10,920 hit it. I don't have to immediately take the penalty. 493 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 4: Yes, you do not. 494 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,559 Speaker 1: You do not have to. You can play the ball 495 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,680 as July. A matter of fact, we're talking about PGA 496 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,880 rules school. The gentleman sitting next to me the past 497 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,519 couple of years is on the not the PGA Tour, 498 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,319 is on the Golf Channel Tour, and we were going 499 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,759 over a rule about the wall ball being in a 500 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:38,559 water hazard and oscillating. Basically, the waves were coming up 501 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:40,960 the ripples just enough to move keep moving the ball 502 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,880 back and forth. And of course, you know you read 503 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,400 about these crazy things and you wonder what the option, 504 00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:51,599 how often this happens? And of course he's like, I 505 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,559 had that happen to me, and I played it. So 506 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,720 even when your ball and we've seen this, when your 507 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,400 ball's in the water, you've seen it on a Sunday, 508 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:04,960 you can hit out of there. Raised Creek at Augusta 509 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,119 is a big example. Your ball's wet and these pros 510 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,079 can hit out of the water. It's only what twenty 511 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:19,039 feet straight up onto a nice soft landing, so you 512 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,599 can play it as it lies, even if it's in 513 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,079 the water. It might be a difficult shot for most, 514 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,480 but you've got that one. Talk about going backwards. That 515 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:29,160 means you can go back to where you last hit 516 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,480 it taking your penalty stroke. When I say left and right, 517 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:38,519 it depends on what side the water is on. Sure, 518 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:44,200 but you drop the ball on its where it crossed 519 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:47,599 the margin in the air, not where it splashed, but 520 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,599 where it crossed the margin of the water hazard. You 521 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,759 can drop it to the left. You can drop it 522 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,920 on the other side of the water hazard, equal distance 523 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,640 from the flag. So there's your left and write the 524 00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:06,720 forward is dropping on a line from where it crossed 525 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,880 the water hazard with the flag stick is kind of 526 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,839 as far back as you want, so it's a it's 527 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,799 a little bit forward and back. You're looking forward to 528 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,839 get the line, but you drop it behind where it's 529 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,599 across the water hazard. Okay, so I've written an article 530 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,799 that basically explains what I just stated. I hope to 531 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,119 have that on my website in the next week or so, 532 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,079 maybe before you present this, so you can go to 533 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,960 the golf rules dot Com A little free article just 534 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,559 to kind of help educate on lateral water hazards because 535 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:38,359 those are difficult. 536 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: Awesome, And it's the golf rules dot com. Correct three words, 537 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:51,079 all one word, the golf rules. Okay, great, great, great, okay, 538 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:59,680 Mulligan's irk you what's what is the correct way to 539 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:08,599 handle hitting a provisional? So it's like, oh, you have 540 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,599 to announce it correct like you hit a ball. You 541 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,720 hit a ball and you're not sure it's out of bounds. 542 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,039 You can't really see over there or went over herell 543 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,160 or you just you can't tell. And he's like, you 544 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,000 know what, I better hit a second ball just in case, right. 545 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,799 Speaker 4: And and that's a very good point. 546 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,359 Speaker 1: You don't have to know that it's lost to hit 547 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:31,880 a provisional. And you do exactly as you say. You 548 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,480 announce that you're going to hit one. If again, go 549 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,279 back in your turn in line. You know, hit right away. 550 00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:42,079 You know everybody's already waiting. Let them go unless you're 551 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,480 the last person. Go look for your first ball first. 552 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,480 If you find that, that's what you play. If not, 553 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,599 you play your provisional, counting your first stroke and your penalty. 554 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: Right, So when you're hitting your provisional you're hitting three, 555 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:06,640 if you're hitting off two, yes, okay, what about still 556 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,599 people still get really cranky about you walked on my line. 557 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,640 Now we've got shoes that don't make marks, they don't 558 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,720 make much impressions. Well, in California right now because of 559 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,079 our drought situation, the greens are fast, rock hard and 560 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,160 fast and I and they keep the grass so short. 561 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,440 On most greens, you really aren't making any marks. That's 562 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:37,640 gonna divert their ball. But I know you shouldn't step 563 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,920 on it. But it's like relax, well. 564 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:43,519 Speaker 1: But like you were saying, you shouldn't step on it, 565 00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:45,799 So just don't do it. I mean, granted, if you 566 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:51,200 have an accident, that's different than on every hole Joe 567 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:52,839 walks across my line. 568 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well mostly the ones that are the It's like 569 00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:58,880 if you walk on because you didn't see where the 570 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,440 guys you know, his marker was on the green, it's like, oh, 571 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,319 I'm really sorry. But if you're putting out and you 572 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,440 know you you've got to walk up to your you know, 573 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,720 you tap in or you're gimme if they're gonna do that, 574 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,480 I know I just made you freak out by something. Gimmy, 575 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,640 But it's like, that's where you're gonna step. It's like, oh, 576 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,079 I'm sorry, And then what happens is you take that 577 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,880 big step to get over right. It's like, oh, I 578 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,279 don't want to step on your line, so I'm gonna 579 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,960 take this big step. And what ends up happening is 580 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,920 you're you're just like you're putting, your line is off, 581 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,400 and when you take your big step, you land right 582 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:35,799 on his line or someone else's line right, and then 583 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,000 you make your the impression in the ground because you 584 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,519 jumped over. 585 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,839 Speaker 4: And right. 586 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: It's we're not professionals, most of us, so it's not 587 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,079 gonna make a big difference if you go over, but 588 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,400 it could. And if it does and you watch somebody's 589 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,160 putt head and right for the cup and it drops 590 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,440 into where you just stood and goes off to the left, 591 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,920 you know you're you're going to get some comments. I'm sure. 592 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,799 No h So it's a lot a lot easier just 593 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:07,119 to not walk across the line and not have to 594 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,200 worry about it, even if it doesn't make it or 595 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,720 you may you may not have made any impression. But 596 00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,119 if that ball for some reason doesn't go where was 597 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,119 supposed to, you're going to get blamed. 598 00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:23,119 Speaker 2: In your research asking people what bugs you? What was 599 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,079 the most common faux pad that that came out? 600 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 4: Speed of play seemed to be the biggest. 601 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:33,839 Speaker 1: And uh and. 602 00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:36,359 Speaker 2: What do they what do they blame? Blame that on 603 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,079 crappy players or marshals who aren't paying attention. 604 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 4: I think mostly crappy players, is uh. 605 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:49,079 Speaker 2: See, that's a problem. We shouldn't get testy about about 606 00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:51,680 people who are new to the game because there aren't 607 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,799 that many anymore that are new to the game, and 608 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:57,440 we're trying to encourage them. So don't be pissy. 609 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: There's a little there's a fine line and you can 610 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:06,960 kind of go both ways if you're just starting, you know, again, 611 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,400 as we're saying, maybe you shouldn't be playing far back, 612 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:13,159 play up a little bit, or you can. You know, 613 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:18,280 the USGA has their equitable stroke control, which growing up, 614 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:23,280 you know, I remember being taught double par you know, 615 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,480 and after that you picked up your ball and that 616 00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,440 kind of kept the pace going for everybody, was it? 617 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,119 Hamenez just this last week carted a thirteen on a 618 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:33,719 par four. 619 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, but that's a tournament. I mean, I understand, 620 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,559 but if you carry a handicap if you carry a handicap, 621 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,920 and most people, you know, I guess who even listening 622 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,199 to this, But you're carrying a handicap or you're preparing 623 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,320 to get a handicap for yourself, there is a number 624 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,480 that you can't go over on the scorecard. I can't 625 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,480 take more than the seven, right, so I never do. 626 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 4: Actually I don't. The number isn't fixed. 627 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: I believe it's as we're going, it's you know, double 628 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,920 bogie or triple bogie, depending on your your your. 629 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 4: Handicap, because of course you can take more than a. 630 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,639 Speaker 1: Seven on a par five, but on a par three 631 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:23,760 not so much, right, because you're a nine point something. Right. Yeah, 632 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,079 it changed this the last time I heard the podcast. 633 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it changes every two weeks. And now I'm 634 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,559 nine to two, which and you. 635 00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:36,679 Speaker 1: Know, I just played a couple of weeks ago by myself, 636 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,519 and I finished my round in an hour and ten 637 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,639 granted well nine holes, I was. I was a little 638 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:46,760 winded by the time I finished. There was one other 639 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,239 person on the course behind me about a hole and 640 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:55,039 a half. Now, if he had there's I'm sorry, we're 641 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,079 leading into another pet peeve. If he was playing faster 642 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:01,880 than me, you know maybe he had running shoes. 643 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 4: I would have let him come through. 644 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,639 Speaker 1: Sure, of course, you know that that's and you know 645 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:12,599 it's such an ego for everybody that you know, whether 646 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,480 somebody plays through us. Most golfers don't have a problem 647 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,559 with playing through another group. But nope, they don't want 648 00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,559 anybody playing through them. It's true, and it has nothing 649 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,280 to do with your manlyhood or how well you golf. 650 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,840 It's just a fact. If the person behind you is 651 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,639 playing faster and there's nobody in front of you, let 652 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,000 them go. 653 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,639 Speaker 2: But do you let him go and you wait for 654 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,599 a par three? You let him go anytime? 655 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 4: It depends on the course. 656 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:48,119 Speaker 1: You know, it's a little more difficult if you're in 657 00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:51,519 the middle of a hole, unless you know, maybe everybody's 658 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:56,000 approach shots went wide into the woods. Now you got 659 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,840 some time and I've done both. You know, you wait 660 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,280 till for a par three go through. Personally, I almost 661 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,360 feel it it's more difficult because if everybody is on 662 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,559 the green, they're waiting for you to hit on, walk 663 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:11,599 up and put out. It seems like that takes longer 664 00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:15,360 than if they're a stroke behind you on a par 665 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,360 five where they just hit right through you and you'll 666 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:18,679 be done. 667 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,159 Speaker 4: But that's just me. 668 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 2: No, No, that's a good point because I think that 669 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,559 any time I've ever asked, like, you guys want to 670 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,159 play through, it's always been on a par three. But 671 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,719 you're right, that actually does slow things down. It's better 672 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,559 to do on a par four or part five. 673 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: There was a I think it was the History Channel 674 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,559 had a real interesting article where they timed all the 675 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:48,480 golfers coming through and they were showing how the bottleneck 676 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,079 being at the par threes. You've as you know, you 677 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,800 generally pay you out about what every you know, nine 678 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,639 eleven minutes, depending on how crowd of the course is. Well, 679 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,320 if it takes longer than that to play that hole, 680 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,599 then everybody backs up there and it backs up all 681 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,920 day long. So it's an interesting thought process as opposed 682 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,400 to sending on everybody out evenly, because you're not going 683 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,599 to be even once you get through that first hole. 684 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 685 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: But I think that gets back down to, you know, 686 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,320 dollars and cents for the course. 687 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,599 Speaker 2: I think the other reason that it works for people 688 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,320 to let someone play through on a par three is 689 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,079 because you can mark your ball, you can get it 690 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,119 out of the way where on a fair way people 691 00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:33,679 aren't going to be picking up their ball and they're 692 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,639 not sure that's a bad excuse. Okay, no, I like 693 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,199 this idea. Yeah, no, no, I think that's good. That's good. Wow, 694 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,239 you have over two hundred BETI good folkus I. 695 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,039 Speaker 4: Think I think it's two hundred and forty three? 696 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:47,199 Speaker 1: Is the count in that book? 697 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,039 Speaker 2: You are such a spreadsheet, not two and forty three? 698 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 4: I had to know. 699 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because guys like me and go, so how 700 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,440 many you got in here? Well, it's on the cover. 701 00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,599 Speaker 1: It says over too, and saying over two two and 702 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,920 forty just doesn't have the same ring. So and I 703 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,199 didn't quite pump it up to two fifties, so I 704 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,000 just let it go. 705 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 2: So fixing fixing ball marks on the green and raking bunkers, 706 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,800 is that a rule or is that etiquette? 707 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 4: That is etiquette. I don't believe there's any rule. 708 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: Now, there's some guidance on Well, there are some rules 709 00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:26,599 about raking, yep, you know how when you do it. 710 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,559 Speaker 2: But doesn't every every course have their own rule of 711 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:30,559 where you leave the rake? 712 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: Or yeah, yeah, there are a lot of local rules. 713 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:40,079 There seems to be a one overwhelming rule or guideline 714 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,280 is that the rake is always perpendicular with the fairway. 715 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 2: Oh, I've never heard that. And there's a video at 716 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,679 golf smarter dot com on our golf Smarter TV that 717 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,800 I recently did for the country club here Marine country 718 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,960 Club on course care pace of play, and their rule 719 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:04,280 is always put the rake with the handle sticking out. 720 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,360 Put the you know, the head in the sand and 721 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,079 the handle sticking out. But they didn't say anything about, uh, 722 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,039 the direction of the. 723 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: Fairway is that with the whole rake in the bunker. 724 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 2: No, just the handle sticking out of the edge of 725 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,719 the bunker. Okay, But they didn't say anything about it 726 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,039 should be in the same direction as the way of play. 727 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,599 Speaker 1: I think the concept is if your ball is heading 728 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,559 towards the flag and the rake is going the same way, 729 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,760 you have a less less chance of the ball being stopped, 730 00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,480 as opposed to if you know the rake is at 731 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,039 ninety degrees to the flag you hit it, it's just 732 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:41,960 going to stop, as opposed if it's going the same way, 733 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,079 you're just going to roll with it. 734 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:53,119 Speaker 2: Fun stuff, fun stuff, fun book, fun book. Did you 735 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,360 do eighteen chapter? You did eighteen chapters? Again? On this 736 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,159 right nineteen. 737 00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: Actually I went a little went past. 738 00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you doing a little farther this. 739 00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: I got a paragraph for twenty. But well, this one's 740 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,119 a real interesting storyline. It was funny again at an 741 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,159 author event, I was talking to a person. She had 742 00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:17,440 lost her sister to breast cancer. So they started an 743 00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,760 annual breast cancer awareness golf outing and they're in about 744 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,400 their ninth ninth year. It's kind of the story behind 745 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,679 the story in the book. A municipal golfer wins a 746 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,280 round of golf at a local country club for a charity, 747 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:37,960 and so it was kind of fun here in her 748 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:44,280 story because it mirrored what I had already written. Golf. 749 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,519 You know, as we know, it's it's not just a 750 00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:51,239 game of moving the ball from one area to another. 751 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,679 You know, it's a way of life. It gives to 752 00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,880 the community, it can help sick people. You can golf 753 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,360 with somebody you don't speak the same language, and managed 754 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,400 to spend four six hours with somebody, And it's okay, 755 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,639 uh to that. I've started writing a golf manifesto of 756 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,360 everything that golf is. 757 00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 4: So wow, I will it's. 758 00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 2: Going to be thicker than this book. I have a 759 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,719 sense and that could be something I'm writing the rest 760 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,039 of your life, right it could yeah, yeah, yeah, but 761 00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,039 you have you have other things, I mean from you 762 00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:34,000 were telling me that all these you know, when you 763 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,559 go out and do these author talks and you meet 764 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,239 people and you do your research, You've got a lot 765 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,000 of other stories that you've been compiling. 766 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: I do some of these stories that people tell everybody 767 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,320 has a golf story, it seems like, and some are 768 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,480 better than others. 769 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 4: So I've taked some. 770 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: Are clean, yeah, I And so I've put those together 771 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,199 and I'm doing a book of short stories and ring 772 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,760 the writing of this, which I know will take just 773 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,360 historically it's going to take at least a year, if 774 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,039 not several, to put together the whole thing. I've started 775 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:12,400 publishing like five chapters at a time as an ebook. 776 00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:14,559 It's in the Kindle market for ninety nine cents. 777 00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:16,679 Speaker 4: It's called Short Stories from. 778 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: The Long Links. So if you're looking for something a 779 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,679 little more lighthearted, check that out. 780 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 2: For ninety nine cents, why the heck not? And I 781 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,480 will make sure that the link to that and the 782 00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:32,599 link to golf rules Etiquette, those are both on Amazon, 783 00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:35,119 right all your boy, Yes, yeah, And I'll make sure 784 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,559 that there are links to that at golf smarter dot com. 785 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: Great, and the first book, The Golf Rules on Stroke Play, 786 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,679 is in some select Barnes and Nobles. 787 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 4: It was quite a thrill. I walked into the store. 788 00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:50,199 Speaker 1: Actually, I was doing an author event just outside of 789 00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,599 Barnes and Nobles at another store, and my wife texted 790 00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,559 me she was in the store. She says, Hey, your 791 00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:56,519 book's on the shelf. 792 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 2: Wow. 793 00:43:58,639 --> 00:43:59,559 Speaker 1: Very cool culture. 794 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 2: I actually was interviewed for a book that somebody was writing, 795 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,000 and when she wrote to us and said the book 796 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,360 is it's out, It's in the store. My wife and 797 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,920 I ran to the store and there was that thrill 798 00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,840 of finding, you know, not just my name in the book, 799 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,840 but there was a chapter on me. It's like, what nice? No, 800 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,559 it's not. It's not a pleasant thing. Different topic, different podcasts. Okay, 801 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,920 So to wrap this up, tell me how people can 802 00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,320 find your stuff online and how they can find you 803 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,519 and write to you if they need to. 804 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,199 Speaker 1: Absolutely, of course, Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, men, a few 805 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:43,119 select golf specialty stores online and brick and mortar have 806 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:48,840 the website the golf roles dot com, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, 807 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,440 and I have a blog out at WordPress, all of 808 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,079 which you can get to from my website. 809 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 2: Also, what are you doing on YouTube? 810 00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: I put together a kind of like a book trailer 811 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,239 for the first book, So Much, So Much fun. A 812 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,119 friend of mine, he actually is a NASA engineer that 813 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,760 likes to dabble in video. And so I called up 814 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,920 the local course and said, I've got this book. I'd 815 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,119 like to stop by and you know, do some filming, 816 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,039 and he said sure. So we showed up and he 817 00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:20,840 gave us keys to the cart and it was. 818 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,119 Speaker 4: A fall day. 819 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,519 Speaker 1: Well that's about a year ago, and we basically had 820 00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:30,199 the course to ourselves. We just drove around and took 821 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,159 video here and different swings and you know, dropping balls 822 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,840 and water and sand and of course we had to 823 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,400 play a couple of the part threes, but we just 824 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:44,039 drove around and it was it was amazing. Yeah, you know, 825 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,440 as opposed to the structured walking through the eighteen holes, 826 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,119 we just went wherever we wanted. 827 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:55,559 Speaker 2: Willy Nilly, Well, again, thank you so much for writing 828 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,880 this book. And I think people should have this and 829 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,719 your other one on their shelves for no other reason. 830 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,239 Then it's a reference. It's a reference source, and you 831 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,039 can just like, wait a minute, there is a rule 832 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,239 for that, or there's a thought for that. Let me 833 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,000 go find that, and here's where you do it. And 834 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,000 they're not thick books. And the thing that I do 835 00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,119 love about your books is that they're stories. It's not 836 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,360 just you know, very dry USGA type legalies. These are stories. 837 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:27,679 As you say, it's learn the rules by watching others 838 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,760 make mistakes. It's awesome and congratulations and thank you again 839 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,199 for your support of golf Smarter. 840 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,599 Speaker 4: Oh you're welcome. 841 00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:38,559 Speaker 1: And of course they make great Christmas grifts if you want, 842 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,880 I can do personalizations. I love hearing from people that 843 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,719 have given them as gifts, you know, I hear. Hey, 844 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,639 Uncle Bill went to open the book and he saw 845 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,440 that you mentioned his Thursday round of golf, and he 846 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,960 was just amazed that you knew he played golf on Thursday. 847 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:01,599 Speaker 2: Wonder then you run again