WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.640 Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another segment of the nonprofits. 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:06.120 And for this segment, we are going to go down 3 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:09.039 to Georgia, and apparently we're going to go back to 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:13.439 nineteen forties Georgia and Jason Freedom's Friedman's going to take 5 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:13.759 us there. 6 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:15.679 What do you got for us, Jason, Well. 7 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:18.600 Kelly, I've got a pretty spicy story here. 8 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:22.359 So this took place at an elementary school called Honey 9 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:26.039 Creek and it's in Conyers, Georgia, and the elementary school 10 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:29.839 is facing a lot of backlash from parents because the 11 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:33.880 students there, remember this elementary school reported seeing signs over 12 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:36.640 the water fountains that said whites only and or black 13 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.320 blacks only. Now, the school officials said that a teacher 14 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:43.079 put up the signs as part of history lesson. They 15 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:46.960 were teaching the students about rub Ruby Bridges, sorry, who 16 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.960 was the first black student to de segregate the US 17 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.000 schools in the nineteen sixties. Now, the story it's from 18 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.560 The Independent, and it's via Yahoo News, and it's by 19 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:01.920 Katie Hawkinson and it was put out April twenty four five. Now, Kelly, 20 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:03.320 I'm going to shoot it back to you man. 21 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:04.439 So cool. 22 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.640 Thanks, Jason, I want to. Actually, I'm going to shoot 23 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:10.079 it back to John and I. John, I know you're 24 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:13.519 totally against racism in any form. Now do you feel 25 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:16.079 that this lesson was racist in any way? 26 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:17.959 John, we can't hear you tell me. 27 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:21.200 I'm not. Oh gosh, Okay. 28 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.719 Well luckily it did, so we can go right off 29 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:25.480 of Kelly's question and then John can start. 30 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:29.040 Okay, John, count the three first. I'll go one, two, three, 31 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:29.840 and three. 32 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:36.319 Okay, one, two, three, Okay. Well, I really think that 33 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:41.640 anytime there's an authority figure like a teacher or a 34 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:47.280 school administrator or principal, who does something that is offensive 35 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:51.120 to somebody, that that is a racist and it has 36 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:55.840 to be dealt with. However, I am not against good education. 37 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:59.280 I just think that this was not a good educational moment. 38 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:04.280 It was too young as and it was just I 39 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.760 don't think that these kinds of issues should be thrown 40 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.919 in a kid's face as a role play, like putting 41 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:14.199 signs up for them. You're there, they don't. They're not 42 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:17.800 going to get anything out of LARPing this except traumatic experiences. 43 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:20.520 So you know, I just feel like they should have 44 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.360 done a little bit more forethought, or the teacher should 45 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:25.919 have done a little bit more forethought and knows that 46 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:30.439 the way this explodes is because children can be as cruel, 47 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:35.080 crueler than most adults with their peers, and that some 48 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.639 kid is going to make fun of you or going 49 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:41.039 to slam your head into a fountain or something like 50 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.719 that because of these signs. And I think that that 51 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:46.759 that's where it gets to be to me, to be 52 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.520 just something that needs to be dealt with, something that 53 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.280 needs accountability. And I don't think just educating that the 54 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:57.400 people involved is going to do that. This is something 55 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:01.240 that came up from somebody's unconni is an okay thing 56 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:03.400 to do when it wasn't, and we need to know 57 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.199 where that came from. 58 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:06.919 Yeah, you know, Yeah, you're absolutely right though about kids. 59 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.240 I mean, I think I'd rather face one mean drunk 60 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:16.280 at a bar than ten sarcastic haunting children on a playground. Jason, Jason, 61 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:17.800 I'm going to throw it back to you here for 62 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:20.599 a second. Do you think this lesson was warranted in 63 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:21.719 the way I was taught? 64 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:24.120 All Right, So I'm gonna go out on a few limbs. 65 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:27.199 I fully understand that the school is stating, and I 66 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.560 believe them that the teacher went outside to prove curriculum, 67 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.560 you know, And I understand that this type of thing 68 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:33.680 is definitely going to make people feel some kind of way, 69 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:36.840 you know, and I'm pretty sure they shouldn't have done 70 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:38.759 this at an elementary school. I'm going to say all 71 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.520 that that said, I mean, isn't it important that we 72 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.280 remember history so we don't repeat it? As a Jewish 73 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.919 person with a Jewish partner, Jewish family, I can understand 74 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.919 doing let's say, an exercise in maybe high school or 75 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:59.479 college that involves things like wearing armbands and doing role play, 76 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.240 maybe in a psyche collegies. I don't know, you know, 77 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.360 depends on protocols, but if there's controls involved and things 78 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:07.840 like that, like I understand, like the need to feel 79 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.000 like we're talking a hair, you know, a hair of 80 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.599 what those people felt like. We had the Holocaust Museum 81 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:17.079 here in Houston, right, And it's because we need to 82 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.319 see those things, we need to feel those things. We 83 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:21.000 need to sit through our we need to sit through 84 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.519 our discomfort, you know, because our discomfort pales in comparison 85 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.360 to the actual suffering, right, And we need to confront 86 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.040 those demons and make it a fucking. 87 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.920 Reality so sorry. 88 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:34.639 There are people, Look, there are people who are still 89 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:38.399 alive that promoted segregation. There are people walking around people 90 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.360 John's John Kelly's age that all people y'all grew up 91 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:46.000 around that literally lynched people, lynched people who are still homeowners, 92 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.000 no justice being served. Took pictures next to, you know, 93 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.839 the burning bodies of dead children. They're walking free, living 94 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:56.560 next to us. And what those people want most of 95 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:57.560 all is for us. 96 00:04:57.439 --> 00:04:59.000 To forget what they did. 97 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.959 But it was the re past, you know, and and 98 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:04.319 it's the people who were affected by it are still 99 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:05.000 going through it. 100 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.000 So look, it was bad taste to do it in 101 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:11.360 elementary school. Was it evil? Malicious? Racist? I don't know. 102 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:13.319 I don't know how to make that judgment because I 103 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:16.720 don't know person involved. But in my opinion, I think 104 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:21.120 a simple environment change and given the right protocols, blah 105 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.600 blah blah what I said before, I think a teacher 106 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:28.000 doing this could make a very valid solid point and 107 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.399 force some shit into people's faces to show we're still 108 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:32.720 dealing with this today. 109 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:35.040 This isn't so It's like if. 110 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:38.959 We put like signs gladiators and slaves and this wouldn't 111 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.480 affect us, right, This is Rome two thousand and no 112 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.079 thing would well, the slaves things, so yeah, but I'm 113 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:46.519 trying to think of like, yeah, the slaves, but I'm 114 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.720 trying to think of like whatever that I don't know. 115 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.720 Plebeing Libyan said yeah, okay, thank you. You've got to 116 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.199 work it out of my brain. So that wouldn't have 117 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.279 any effects on anybody, nobody all hah, I'm a gladiator, 118 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:01.399 it know, people would act like idiots. But something like 119 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.199 this that I think it's telling. I think it's a projection. 120 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:07.319 It's still going on, it still exists. It is still 121 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:08.800 very whites only, blacks only. 122 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:11.639 So I don't know. I like art. 123 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:14.879 Art pulls shit out of people. I think this was 124 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.319 an art project, just maybe in the wrong gallery. That's 125 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.079 in my opinion. I'm sure someone will get mad at 126 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:19.480 me about it. 127 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:19.959 You know. 128 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.480 Along these lines, there was a quote in the article 129 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:25.600 from one of the parents, and I'm going to quote it. 130 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.560 My son was over a water fountain drinking and there 131 00:06:28.680 --> 00:06:31.759 was a four colored only sign above and he was 132 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.199 made fun of by the other children. To me, that's 133 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.399 not a history lesson. And I thought to myself, really, 134 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:41.160 isn't that the very fucking lesson? 135 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:41.959 Now? 136 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:44.800 I might not agree as you did, Jason. 137 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.560 I do not agree with the way it was. 138 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:52.199 Ethical, that's right, sadly, but it was still an ethical 139 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:54.000 because those weren't willing to participants. 140 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:55.120 Yeah, no, I think it. 141 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:56.879 I know it was that people. 142 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.959 Because they were singled out for something that had nothing 143 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.439 to do with them. It was a condition of their birth. 144 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.560 That's the lesson, right. And now the way it was 145 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.319 taught was horrible. It should never ever have been taught 146 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.399 to elementary children the way it was, that's my thought. 147 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.439 But that was the very lesson they were trying to teach, 148 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.920 that you shouldn't make people feel this way, and that 149 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.040 people were made the field. This is the way people 150 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:29.519 were made the feel just because they were born into 151 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.319 the wrong body. 152 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.199 Yeah, I agree that, like the challenge being made fun 153 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.000 of for using the water, because I was in my 154 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:39.319 notes too, because I thought that, like, if this had 155 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.720 stopped at the teacher putting up the signs, and then 156 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:43.480 at the school was like, hey, this is bad, take 157 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.040 them down, that would have been inappropriate. I think there's 158 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.720 merit in using shock value to teach when it's done 159 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:52.120 appropriately in the appropriate setting. And this is neither of 160 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:55.600 those things, right, but so, but like so for the 161 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.600 kid being made fun of for you using that water fountain, 162 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.000 I don't think is quite the same as the actual 163 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:06.720 like the the same. It teaches a lesson of being othered, 164 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.439 but not in the same way that people who were segregated. 165 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.959 Were, Like Jason said, we're not you know, you're only 166 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.639 getting a small bite of the actual experience. Yeah, that's right, right, Yeah. 167 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:18.680 But at the same time I think that like as 168 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.360 you mentioned, I think Kelly like or no it was 169 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:25.160 Jason again, like Ruby Bridges is still alive, Like the 170 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:28.000 first girl to desegregate a white shoes. 171 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:30.240 Yeah, she was six six exactly. 172 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.720 So you could have Ruby Bridges or like anybody that's 173 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.919 her age come and talk to the class and say like, yeah, 174 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.559 you see this nice new water fountain that is like 175 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.159 clean and the jet comes out as like substantial or 176 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:44.879 like per appropriate amount, so you don't have to put 177 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:47.360 your mouth on the faucet to get water where everybody 178 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.799 else is putting their mouth. This would have been the 179 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:51.879 white people found in and there's one over here that 180 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:55.720 is like older and rusty and doesn't work and isn't 181 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:57.919 really connected to the water system at all. That's the 182 00:08:57.919 --> 00:08:59.960 one that I would have had to use, and then 183 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:01.679 the kids would have been like, well, who. 184 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:02.159 Would fix it? 185 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:03.919 I don't know whoever is willing to fix a black 186 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:06.440 people color or the water fountain like the good luck 187 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:07.600 finding somebody. 188 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.480 That's That's an amazing way to teach that lesson. 189 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:11.759 I think. So. 190 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:13.440 I'm not an educator though, so I know. 191 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:17.679 So, John, you haven't said much. 192 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:19.879 Do you do you think this was an attempt to 193 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:22.879 I'm gonna make you say something now. Do you think 194 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.559 there was an attempt to say whitewash the history of 195 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:27.840 racism in the USA? 196 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.519 I don't think it was that. 197 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:32.399 I think it was intended. 198 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.799 I don't think it was intended as. 199 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.519 Me saying whitewash was intended by me? 200 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:41.720 Okay, I don't know. I don't know where you were 201 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:42.039 going with. 202 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:48.000 You know, was this an attempt to whitewash history? 203 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:51.639 Well? So, in certain circumstances it always is. But you know, 204 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:55.519 one of the things that struck me about that is 205 00:09:55.559 --> 00:10:01.720 that the casualness with which the schools said, oh well, 206 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.120 it was inappropriate, and we you know, and we took 207 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.279 the signs down and almost like they're handwaving it away. 208 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:10.320 But I think it's a little more serious than that, 209 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:12.639 and I think it needs to be at least considered 210 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:17.240 when it comes to educating small children that they, you know, 211 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.639 they don't need to be confronted with the absolute evils 212 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:25.840 that their society has been in, you know, when they're 213 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:28.039 that age, when they're an appropriate age to where they 214 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.080 can understand it, rather than have to sit there and 215 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:34.279 kind of say, wow, we're bad people for that. No 216 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:36.440 you're not. You're not them, You weren't the ones who 217 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:38.159 did it. They have to be of an age where 218 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:41.919 they can understand that it's where the responsibility lies and 219 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.279 so and elementary school just is in that place. Middle 220 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:49.080 school towards high school. Yes, their brain has developed enough 221 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:51.200 at that point to be able to make those kinds 222 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:54.240 of distinguishments. But you know, that's the only problem I 223 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.279 had with this. But I really get angry at people 224 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:00.799 in charge when they handwave something way instead of at 225 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.840 least investigating it a little bit. You know, that just 226 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:05.840 bothers me because they're not taking it seriously. 227 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:06.399 I agree. 228 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:09.480 Yeah, Well, they denied any evolment, placing the entire blame 229 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.360 on the teacher, right, claiming the teacher didn't submit the 230 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.480 signs as part of her lesson plan. And that may 231 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.279 well be true. My ex wife was a teacher. She would, 232 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.519 you know, submit her her lesson plans, and she was 233 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.360 pretty positive nobody ever looked looked them over, So it 234 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.759 could and that could have happened here. It could be 235 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:34.320 that the signs were in the lesson plan and nobody 236 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.200 ever actually bothered to read through the whole election plan 237 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:42.200 from every teacher. And it's with me the something first 238 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:45.639 time that someone's laziness is the cause of many of 239 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:49.879 life's problems, never yours, of course, it's always somebody else's laziness. 240 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:53.840 It's your laziness, right, But you have to wonder how long, 241 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.559 as you mentioned, how long were these signs up before 242 00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:59.480 someone who that mattered even noticed them? 243 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:00.000 Right? 244 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:01.720 They had to have been up for quite. 245 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:04.639 A while if there were that many complaints about it. Yeah, 246 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:08.600 you know, an administrator, a visiting parent, another teacher that 247 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:11.039 could have any of them could have reported it to 248 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.039 the front office. 249 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:13.279 So they were. But they were. 250 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.240 Apparently long enough up long enough for children to be 251 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:21.080 teased over them, which is another fucking problem in its 252 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:25.440 own right. What parents are teaching their kids that it's 253 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:29.480 all right to tease someone over race. Are we still 254 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:32.399 living in the fucking nineteenth century right. 255 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:33.960 Well, they are in Georgia, apparently. 256 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:35.879 Well I had to pull I had to pull my 257 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.279 kid out of a public school, which I hate that 258 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:40.159 I had to do that, especially in Texas, you know, 259 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.759 because we need to focus on the public schools. But 260 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.480 one of the biggest problems was the amount of racial 261 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:48.919 and this is middle school, you know, sixth grade classes. 262 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:54.720 The amount of extreme amounts of racist terminology that was 263 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.840 used by six grade students at the teachers, at other 264 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:02.159 students on a daily basis. So this is apparently a 265 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:06.879 thing again now like within that age group that like 266 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.600 things like blatant racism are trendy and popular now and 267 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.000 on the surge. So it's it makes sense to me 268 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.519 just having a kid of that age who's you know, 269 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:20.120 was only in elementary school two years ago, that that's 270 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.240 something that goes on. Was going on in the elementary 271 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:25.080 school was racism. And I agree with you, Kelly, there 272 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.399 is because of the age. They are modeling behaviors. Right 273 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.200 at that age, you know, up until about twelve ish, 274 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:34.799 you know, loosely, they are modeling behaviors, and they're modeling 275 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.720 what they see at home from their direct you know, 276 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.960 socialization agents, and they're more or less immediate second circle 277 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:46.919 environment so that you know, it's funny when somebody says that, it's. 278 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:48.639 Like, oh, what they know, they're not modeling it. 279 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:51.600 No, literally, that's what they do is model. So the 280 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.720 environment that they're around and who they're around, they're in 281 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.840 an antike, antagonistic environment and they're just carrying it over 282 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.720 at their school and it's a shame and they're probably 283 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.960 the ones that get targeted and spoken through that way. 284 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:08.320 Well maybe maybe one bright spot in this and uh, 285 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:10.679 I don't know if it is or not, but a 286 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.679 lot of children become the opposite of their parents. And 287 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.279 let's face that these are young. This is elementary school. 288 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:19.799 These are kids who are still idolizing their parents, and 289 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.240 maybe as they get older, like the high school ages, 290 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.759 that that ideal, that idealizing will take it swing the 291 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:27.799 other way. 292 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:30.799 But what scares me about that, Kelly, is that it 293 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.919 also did you You your grandchildren are more like your 294 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.279 grand their grandparents. So I mean, look at you and 295 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:40.440 me and think about that for a minute. Do we 296 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:41.960 really want that to happen? 297 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:44.840 You? 298 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:49.039 I think too though, that like the like Jason was saying, 299 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:51.279 it's taking these ideas that these kids are learning, like 300 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.519 at home or elsewhere, but now that it's in the 301 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:57.279 school too, like it's concretizing it in print in front 302 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:59.159 of these kids that are getting these ideas and these 303 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:01.639 like inputs and and these impressions that make them think 304 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:03.519 it's okay to behave this way or like that this 305 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.519 is just the default way that you should behave and 306 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:07.879 like yeah, of course, like people of different colors are 307 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.240 worse than me, Like why wouldn't they be? And then 308 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.799 now it's conquered. Now the school is concretizing that and 309 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:15.840 then putting it in print and giving them just that 310 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:19.360 much more justification to behave and think and act and 311 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:23.399 talk that way. So I'm not optimistic that they will 312 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:24.720 you know, turn it around. 313 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.240 Oh yeah, right, And I could see where kids would 314 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.720 interpret this in the wrong way, right, you know. The 315 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:32.360 lesson is to get them to understand how bad it 316 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.879 was for you for people to be treated this way. 317 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.240 But then yeah, you know, they got theirs their waterfun 318 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.039 and we got ours, and that's the way it should be. 319 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.039 That's that's what they just taught us, you. 320 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:43.480 Know what I mean? 321 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.759 Kids going to misinterpreting the whole lesson right, Your friends 322 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:48.440 are going to fuck with you anyway they can't. I mean, 323 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.559 don't forget that, terms like moron an idiot were medical terms, 324 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:53.960 and then it became other terms that we can't say, 325 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.840 and then other terms we can't say. So kids are 326 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.360 just gonna take whatever medical term there is a time, 327 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.000 and anytime their friend runs into a wall or trips 328 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.360 over a gravity pocket or or whatever, that's what they're 329 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:06.840 gonna do. 330 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:08.879 So I call it. 331 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.679 The reason I say it's unethical is because it seems 332 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.879 like a really shitty psychology experiment that they ran on 333 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:17.759 kids who weren't old enough to consent, and there were 334 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.759 no controls put in place. So of course, any teacher 335 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.559 who has is worth their weight, or is actually I 336 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:26.600 say that is getting paid decent, because you got to 337 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.360 think these teachers are probably fucking overworked and underpaid. I say, probably, 338 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:34.399 just because there might be one that isn't you know 339 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:38.200 it's Zach guy. Yes, over there in that place. 340 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.879 You know it's find a contract forty years ago and 341 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:42.159 they still have to fucking out. 342 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:43.759 Oh That's what I'm saying. 343 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:49.200 So it blows my fucking mind. Because like, this was 344 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:51.879 not a this was not a smart move. This was 345 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.200 this was a recipe for disaster, And of of course 346 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.519 some people are going to get pissed, and of course 347 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.039 it was going to end up with kids getting meal 348 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.840 fucking with each other because that's what good at what 349 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.400 that's what kids do. Yeah, man, of course that's what's 350 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:06.240 going to happen, is some kids going to get targeted, 351 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.920 and sadly, a lot of times it's in groups that 352 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.839 are doing the fucking with you know what I mean. Yeah, 353 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.720 it's the way it was happening at my kids school. 354 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:17.720 A lot of the a lot of the kids like 355 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.160 who are people of color? They would go after each 356 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.359 other and it was so vicious and just the words 357 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.079 use and like the kids would go after the teachers 358 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.799 who were like similar ethnicity, and it was insane. This 359 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:34.079 what was happening there, And it was heartbreaking just to 360 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:35.880 see it happening because it was a lot of in 361 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.880 group quote group in group attacking and it's sad. I'm 362 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:41.920 sure that's what happened there. I wouldn't be surprised. 363 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:47.480 Yeah, And the NAACP got involved, man, Yeah, local, state 364 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:50.799 and local, So that's not necessarily a bad thing. That's 365 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:51.319 a good thing. 366 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.359 But I don't I don't know why that's a good thing. 367 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:56.240 I don't feel like this is like a campaign that 368 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:58.359 anybody's doing against these students. 369 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.000 Somebody made a bad fucking choice. 370 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.559 Yeah, yeah, But I think when you when you get 371 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.640 attention to it, that is a form of accountability. You 372 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:09.759 know that that is a form of transparency. You know, 373 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.000 you can't deny that it happened at that point, you know, So, 374 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:17.240 which is all together very common, you know, is for 375 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.559 the people in authority to say, oh, that never happened, 376 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.039 you know, and we probably hates. 377 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.480 Yeah, I can probably argue, yeah. 378 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:27.400 We could. We could go back and forth on that, so. 379 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:29.799 I'll give you a minute to go back and forth. 380 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.640 I mean, it's I don't know, because like for me 381 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.160 ina a c P. It's like I would think. 382 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:38.319 That the resources would be suited for people who are 383 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:42.319 like being actually targeted and campaigns are being run against them, 384 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:45.160 or being called groomers or you know, you're trying to 385 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:47.400 trans or kid or somebody who's. 386 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:51.559 Actually systemic racism instead like individual or a racist student 387 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.680 organization or a racist teacher who is blatantly like you know, 388 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:56.039 I I. 389 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.440 Think in this case, this teacher fucked up. I wouldn't 390 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:00.279 be so, I mean, I don't I don't know if 391 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:02.640 it matters. But if this person, the teacher, was a 392 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.119 person of color, maybe she was just trying to do 393 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:08.359 something to highlight what's who knows, you know, I mean, he. 394 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:10.079 Just didn't think it through, right, dude. 395 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:12.559 It was a dumb fucking move. It was fucking stupid. 396 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:14.079 It was a dumb funck move, all right. 397 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:15.720 I know what you want to hear something I almost 398 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.720 named my podcast Kelly's Coffee Clutch with all k's. 399 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:24.400 Well, yeah, that wouldn't It would have been a dumb move. 400 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:26.160 Yeah, that would have been bad. 401 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:28.160