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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Am six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the Bill Handle Show. He's still on vacation. Back on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Resnik sitting in. It's always weird when you play

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<v Speaker 2>a bump. That's a song that's on my workout playlist.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it like it tickles my brain in a

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<v Speaker 2>weird way.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad religion colligions.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, yeah, yeah, oh I know, bad religion. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I diverge it is. I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>say though, it's weird when you hear a song that

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<v Speaker 2>you hear a lot and that you hear it as

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<v Speaker 2>a bump on KFI. Not weird, it's it's whatever. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>some stories we're watching for you. There is a red

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<v Speaker 2>flag warning in effect today and tomorrow for parts of

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<v Speaker 2>La and Ventura Counties. The Santa Ana wins are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>peak uh today later today into tomorrow. Gusts could go

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<v Speaker 2>up to forty five miles an hour. Very low humidity,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh. Up in the elevations above four thousand feet,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about humidity levels less than ten percent and

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<v Speaker 2>in lower areas. It will vary more, but could be

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<v Speaker 2>as low as eight percent relative humidity that is dry

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<v Speaker 2>as dry can be, so fire danger is high.

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<v Speaker 1>Please be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>And two separate shootings in downtown LA within blocks of

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<v Speaker 2>each other, left four people entered last night. Everybody was

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<v Speaker 2>taken to the hospital. One of them is in critical condition.

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<v Speaker 2>I take that to mean the other three are better

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<v Speaker 2>than that, and police are still trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a connection between the two incidents. And I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned that story to you because we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about a new tough on crime attitude

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<v Speaker 2>here in LA and across the country. This is happening

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere in New York. I'm just giving you some examples.

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<v Speaker 2>In New YORKA, the governor ordered the National Guard to

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<v Speaker 2>go be in the subways to try to help with

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<v Speaker 2>the prime problems on the subways. In Louisiana, very different

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<v Speaker 2>place than New York, same kinds of ideas, though in

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<v Speaker 2>Louisiana they passed a law that seventeen year olds will

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<v Speaker 2>be tried as adults period, end of discussion. In Oregon,

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<v Speaker 2>another place that's different from the first two, they recriminalized

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<v Speaker 2>some drugs that they had previously decriminalized, and they said, Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not working out, Let's make them criminalized again.

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<v Speaker 2>In San Francisco, of all places, voters approved a ballot

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<v Speaker 2>measure that requires welfare recipients to be drug tested and

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<v Speaker 2>also gives the police more power to surveil people.

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<v Speaker 1>They passed that.

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<v Speaker 2>The voters in San Francisco, Colorado, they voted to reduce

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<v Speaker 2>parole eligibility for people convicted of violent crimes. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>can go through and look at all of these things

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<v Speaker 2>that happened around the country, and I can see some

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<v Speaker 2>of them I think are good ideas and some of

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<v Speaker 2>them maybe not. But what the thing that ties them

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<v Speaker 2>all together is a sentiment amongst us the people that

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<v Speaker 2>we let crime get too far out of control. And

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<v Speaker 2>I do think the idea that we let it get

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<v Speaker 2>out of control is accurate historically and explains the backlash.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is certainly true here in La in La County,

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<v Speaker 2>and in California, because you may recall in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>local concerns, this has everything to do with Proposition forty

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<v Speaker 2>seven that we voted for like ten years ago that

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<v Speaker 2>made certain felonies misdemeanors, and in La County ninety percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the neighborhoods. If you break down the voting maps

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<v Speaker 2>by neighborhoods, ninety percent in La County voted yes on

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<v Speaker 2>Prop forty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why I say we did it.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't just happen. We affirmatively made choices that caused

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<v Speaker 2>some things to happen that are now creating the backlash

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<v Speaker 2>against it. And that's why we passed Prop thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>which rolls back a lot of the leniency that we

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<v Speaker 2>chose when we voted for Prop forty seven. And the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, eighty seven percent of neighborhoods in La County

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<v Speaker 2>that voted for Prop forty seven also voted to overhaul

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<v Speaker 2>it and and roll it back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not different people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like ten years ago some group of people

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<v Speaker 2>said let's make it more lenient, and now a different

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<v Speaker 2>group of people are saying, let's make it tough again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same people. There's a huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Correlation between voting for Prop thirty six to toughen up

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<v Speaker 2>some of these laws again and voting for Nathan Hoffman

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<v Speaker 1>So imagine because because.

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<v Speaker 2>Voting for him also is a vote for getting tougher

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<v Speaker 2>on crime. Now that's not being totally fair to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not one hundred percent tough on crime every time,

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, and that's all that I'm about. He

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<v Speaker 2>has spoken at length about other ideas that would not

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<v Speaker 2>be considered tough on crime. They would be considered smart

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<v Speaker 2>on crime and bringing sensible compassion into the system.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Voted for him, there's there's no chance in hell that

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<v Speaker 2>anybody voted for Nathan Hackman because of those nuanced things

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<v Speaker 2>that he talked about. Everybody voted for him because they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to get tough on crime.

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<v Speaker 1>In La County.

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<v Speaker 2>And therefore the two things go together so much so

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<v Speaker 2>that the group of voters that voted for Prop thirty

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<v Speaker 2>two thirty six, excuse me, and for Hawkman, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>forty percent of all the voters. What percent of La

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<v Speaker 2>County voters stayed entrenched in a soft on crime view?

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<v Speaker 2>These would be the people who voted no on Prop

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six. We don't want to roll back the leniency

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<v Speaker 2>of forty seven. They also voted for former DA George

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<v Speaker 2>Gascon that group fourteen percent, and then I guess everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else voted for one and not the other way. For

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, they voted for Prop thirty six, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>vote for Nathan Hakman or the other way around. So

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<v Speaker 2>that shows some real I'm gonna say it's a population

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<v Speaker 2>moving in lockstep. The problem is this is cyclical. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what's gonna start happening this year. I promise you

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<v Speaker 2>I won't be here to gloat that I told you

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<v Speaker 2>so because I, as I announced earlier, I am retiring

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<v Speaker 2>fully from radio.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess next week. But you will start to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Calls for criminal justice reform again because already jail populations

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<v Speaker 2>are growing. They will continue to grow as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of these things that have happened. And as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>the jail popular start to grow, there will be more

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<v Speaker 2>cries about the conditions and overcrowding and that we're over

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<v Speaker 2>incarcerating people, and the pendulum will swing back. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think what's happening is the cycles are becoming shorter between

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of tough on crime legislation and policies, and

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of like five years later, ten years later,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a move to make it not as harsh, and

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<v Speaker 2>then five and ten years later. But I think we

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<v Speaker 2>may start to see two or three year cycles now,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just so political as opposed to being a

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<v Speaker 2>thing like how to build a road is not political.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe whether to build one or where to build it

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<v Speaker 2>is political, but how to build a road it has

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<v Speaker 2>no politics in it. There's a proper way to build

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<v Speaker 2>a road, and there is a proper way to run

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<v Speaker 2>a criminal justice system. But the problem is nobody's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>in that. I'm going to throughout the show, since I'm

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<v Speaker 2>retiring completely next week, I'm going to be doing some

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<v Speaker 2>selfish things, just occasionally. One of those selfish things is

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen in the middle somewhere of this segment.

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<v Speaker 2>But this segment is about a trend in corporate America

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<v Speaker 2>right now to lower the head count at companies, but

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily in the way you may be thinking, because

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<v Speaker 2>one question when you look at a company, one question

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<v Speaker 2>that you can ask is how many employees do you have?

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<v Speaker 2>And then investors or debt holders can say, wow, should

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<v Speaker 2>you have that many employees? But there's another way to

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<v Speaker 2>look at a company or a government agency or any

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<v Speaker 2>entity really, and it's not how many employees do you have,

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<v Speaker 2>it's how many levels do you have? And the trend

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<v Speaker 2>right now has to do with flattening these companies. I

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<v Speaker 2>did clap my hands in a flattening move if you

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<v Speaker 2>heard it. Flattening the companies and reducing the number of

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<v Speaker 2>levels in the company. Every company has to have one

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<v Speaker 2>or or it could be two people some number of

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<v Speaker 2>people who are the very top people. Every company has

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<v Speaker 2>to have an ultimate boss. You cannot possibly operate without that,

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<v Speaker 2>or else you get like a lord of the flies

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<v Speaker 2>situation in your company. And in theory, every company has

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<v Speaker 2>to have somebody who's and I don't mean it pejoratively,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've been this a bunch of times. I'm this

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<v Speaker 2>now here that are on the bottom rung of the ladder.

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<v Speaker 2>Mainly that they they are not the boss of anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a job to do, but their job in

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<v Speaker 2>no way involves having any oversight over anybody else. So

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<v Speaker 2>you have two levels. You have to have two. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>how many do you need depends on what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>company you are and how big you are. But there

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<v Speaker 2>has been a trend before now to put in place

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<v Speaker 2>level after level after level after level of management. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was with Defens, you had officers and then supervisors

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<v Speaker 2>and then you had deputy chief. I mean they still

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<v Speaker 2>do deputy chiefs, and then you had chiefs. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that there were that many levels, but a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times I kind of thought, do we really need

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say which I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>say which layer I questioned the necessity of, but I

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<v Speaker 2>did often question whether we really could have gotten rid

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<v Speaker 2>of one layer and it would not have affected anything. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that's still relatively modest compared to some companies. Wait till

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<v Speaker 2>you hear about how many levels certain companies have. But

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<v Speaker 2>the move now is to get rid of entire layers

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<v Speaker 2>of supervision in a company. What that means is when

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<v Speaker 2>companies are doing big layoffs now in reduction and forces,

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<v Speaker 2>very often it's people in middle management or even upper

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<v Speaker 2>management who are being let go, like UPS, who says

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<v Speaker 2>since last year they've cut thousands of supervisor jobs. My god,

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<v Speaker 2>how many supervisors did they have? I mean, UPS is

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<v Speaker 2>a big company, They're all over the country. I would

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<v Speaker 2>agree they need quite a few supervisors. If they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to cut thousands of them and still operate properly,

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<v Speaker 2>how many did they have? Amazon has a goal they

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<v Speaker 2>want to increase the ratio of workers to managers. Every

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<v Speaker 2>manager for every manager there'll be more workers.

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<v Speaker 1>That means less managers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a nice way of saying that less managers were

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<v Speaker 2>going to get rid of managers. Over at Google, they

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten rid of managerial roles by ten percent. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not clear over what period of time did they

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of ten percent of their managers?

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<v Speaker 1>In a year, in a month, in a day.

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<v Speaker 2>Public companies in the United States have cut their middle

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<v Speaker 2>manager head counts by about six percent since the pandemic. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to believe me, because there's a data

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<v Speaker 2>provider called Live Data Technologies, and they did an analysis

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<v Speaker 2>over twenty million white collar workers and that's their conclusion.

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<v Speaker 2>That's middle managers, senior executives. I assume these are like

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<v Speaker 2>senior vice presidents and things like that. They're down five

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<v Speaker 2>percent since the end of twenty twenty one. Now it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just people losing their jobs. It's also when you

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<v Speaker 2>flatten a company and you take away layers of management.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is probably what's more important for people like us.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know how many people listening are

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<v Speaker 2>upper management in a company. I'm sure some of you are,

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<v Speaker 1>Either in the middle or lower.

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<v Speaker 2>When you flatten a company, you take away advancement opportunities.

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<v Speaker 2>So people who are middle managers who were aspiring to

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<v Speaker 2>become senior executives there may be no positions that even

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<v Speaker 2>exist for them. At some companies, people who used to

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<v Speaker 2>are not the boss of anybody, and not necessarily because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they wanted to do. The job market is

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<v Speaker 2>apparently flooded right now with managers. So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about City City Bank City.

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<v Speaker 1>They are one of these companies.

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<v Speaker 2>That have been flattening and getting rid of middle management,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were proud to announce a restructuring last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Late last year.

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<v Speaker 2>They were very proud of this that they cut the

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<v Speaker 2>number of management layers at City. They cut it down

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<v Speaker 2>down to eight levels of management.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how many there were.

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<v Speaker 2>Before thirteen levels of management. Now City is a huge corporation,

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<v Speaker 2>and I get that, but if you're a teller at

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<v Speaker 2>head of City, that's too many. Eight is probably too many,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess can't do it all at once. So

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<v Speaker 2>here at iHeart you. Remember I said every company has

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<v Speaker 2>to have. There's got to be somebody at the tippy top,

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<v Speaker 2>and there has to be somebody at the bottom. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the person on the low rung and at the

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<v Speaker 2>high rung. Here at iHeart, I think it's two people

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<v Speaker 2>kind of are sharing the high rung, Bob Pittman, the CEO,

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<v Speaker 2>Rich Bresler, the COO CFO. If anybody from management listening,

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<v Speaker 2>don't get nervous. I'm not doing anything crazy. So I

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<v Speaker 2>would just like to say, though, in light of my

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<v Speaker 2>impending retirement, I would like to say one thing to

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO of iHeart, Bob Pittman. Bob Pittman, I know

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<v Speaker 2>that you have a very good tequila company called Cosa Dragonis,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just saying putting it out there in the

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<v Speaker 2>world that boy, wouldn't a nice bottle of Cosa Dragonis

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<v Speaker 2>tequila make a wonderful retirement gift for oh, I don't know, somebody. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>remember when every company wanted to get into diversity, equity

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<v Speaker 2>and inclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>DEI that's changing big time.

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<v Speaker 2>Corporate America is pulling back on their diversity programs, partly

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<v Speaker 2>because of pressure from activists.

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<v Speaker 1>Who have sued. In many cases some of these companies.

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<v Speaker 2>And then with a new administration coming in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can agree the new administration is not

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<v Speaker 1>The current administration is.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're gonna have activists on their backs, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have an administration that's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>very sympathetic to any of their DEI efforts, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>starting to because if you have an administration that is

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<v Speaker 2>friendly to DEI, then you're not probably going to have

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<v Speaker 2>any luck getting the government to do anything about federal

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<v Speaker 2>programs in this regard. But with the new administration coming in,

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<v Speaker 2>the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty, that is a

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<v Speaker 2>place that has sued many companies over their DEI policies,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they've identified sixty one federal programs that they

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<v Speaker 2>think could be should be eliminated and that they could

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<v Speaker 2>sue over, like the program that gives technical assistance for

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<v Speaker 2>minority farmers, or program that give preferences in contracting for

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<v Speaker 2>minority owned law firms that are helping the United States

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<v Speaker 2>collect money that's owed to the United States. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just that generally the tone of the new administration

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<v Speaker 2>is more anti DEI. It's also that one of President

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<v Speaker 2>Electrump's top advisor, Stephen Miller, actually ran a group that

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<v Speaker 2>sued companies over their DEI policies, so he has some

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<v Speaker 2>experience going after it. Because of this backlash and because

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<v Speaker 2>of activist behavior and lawsuits, for example, Ford Motor will

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<v Speaker 2>stop providing workplace data that it was giving to the

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<v Speaker 2>Human Rights Campaign, which is a gay rights I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of broad brushing what they do, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you said, you only have a few words to say

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<v Speaker 2>what they do. They're a gay rights lobbying organization and

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<v Speaker 2>they've been very successful over the last twenty thirty forty

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<v Speaker 2>years in treating companies to make their policies more gay friendly,

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<v Speaker 2>bisexual friendly, transgender, all that stuff. And Ford was in

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<v Speaker 2>an agreement to share workplace data with them, basically to say,

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<v Speaker 2>look how we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think? And they said they're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to give them the data anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>UBS said, we're not giving any more of these twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars grants that we were giving to businesses

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<v Speaker 2>led by women of color, those grants no more. Walmart

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<v Speaker 2>used to fund a charity that it made. It created

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<v Speaker 2>this charity to address racial disparity and of course fund it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they said, we're not going to renew funding for

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<v Speaker 2>it anymore. If it can exist without us, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're not going to give it any money. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>in the courts now, I would say, in the courts,

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting mixed messages about these DEI lawsuits. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this month, Federal Appeals Court told NASDAK that they're

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<v Speaker 2>racial and gender targets for the boards of its companies.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you list your company on NASDAK, there's

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<v Speaker 2>certain rules we have to follow if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be traded on NASDAK. And they said, we want to

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<v Speaker 2>have rules about the racial and gender makeup of your

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<v Speaker 2>board of director's company. And there was a big lawsuit

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<v Speaker 2>and Federal Peace Court said you can't do that. You

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<v Speaker 2>can have certain rules for these companies, but that's not

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. One of the first companies to start

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<v Speaker 2>this trend was Tractor Supply. Tractor Supply made a big

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<v Speaker 2>announcement in June saying they were going to not support

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<v Speaker 2>anymore LGBTQ events, not that they were going to fight

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<v Speaker 2>them or anything, but they weren't going to actively support them.

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<v Speaker 2>And they issued a statement saying we've heard from customers

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<v Speaker 2>that we have disappointed them, so they were hearing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot from people who do not like DI. Some court

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<v Speaker 2>cases have upheld various DEI programs at different companies, so

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<v Speaker 2>the judicial side of it, it remains to be seen

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<v Speaker 2>where that's going to go. But generally speaking, there is

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<v Speaker 2>a trend to move away from DEI. One company though

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<v Speaker 2>it's too bad, bills not here right now. Because one

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<v Speaker 2>company that is not moving away, that is not caving

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<v Speaker 2>to the pressure is cost Co and they've got this

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<v Speaker 2>group called the National Center for Public Policy Research that

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<v Speaker 2>wants the shareholders of cost Co to vote to require

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<v Speaker 2>the company to issue reports on how financially risky it

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<v Speaker 2>is for Costco to have these programs. They do cost

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<v Speaker 2>companies money to operate, they absolutely do. So this group says,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to tell your shareholders how much money you're

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<v Speaker 2>spending on DEI stuff, and Costco said, no, we don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>We opposed that. We don't want that, don't vote for that.

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<v Speaker 2>And they have a chief Diversity officer. Their supplier program

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<v Speaker 2>is focused on expanding small and diverse businesses to supply

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<v Speaker 2>goods to Costco. It donates to organizations like the Thurgood

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall College Fund that serves minorities and other underrepresented groups.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of companies are caving. Costco is not caving.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't really know how you decide whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not to patronize a company visa the what their DEI policies.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're anti DEI, do you actually refrain, like will

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<v Speaker 2>you not be a cost Co member because they are

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<v Speaker 2>pro DEI? I don't think about it that much. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that makes me a bad person, or maybe that just

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<v Speaker 2>makes me if I'm in consumer mode. I'm in consumer

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<v Speaker 2>mode and I'm gonna do business with whatever company best

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<v Speaker 2>meets my consumer needs at the time, and not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>try to research everything about them.

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<v Speaker 1>But you do you boo.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, alrighty, let's ummm yeah, let's get into it. Gift

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<v Speaker 2>giving season is winding down, but sometimes gifts are given

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<v Speaker 2>all year round. It's time to talk about animals in

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<v Speaker 2>the news. Never in an upsetting way. This is heavy petting.

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<v Speaker 2>When people give gifts to other people, the percentage of

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<v Speaker 2>times that they're doing it to have sex is minimal.

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<v Speaker 2>Of all the gifts that are given in a year

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<v Speaker 2>by humans to humans, very few of them are being

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<v Speaker 2>given for the sole purpose of trying to get the

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<v Speaker 2>gift e to have sex with you.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the animal kingdom, that is the main reason.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the main reason gifts are given, and many animals

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<v Speaker 2>give gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when you give a gift, and this is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think exclusively, although there might be an exception out

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<v Speaker 2>there somewhere. I think it's exclusively the male of the

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<v Speaker 2>species giving a gift to the female in order to

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<v Speaker 2>get permission to mate. Snails do it, earthworms do it,

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<v Speaker 2>Squids do it, birds do it. But where you see

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<v Speaker 2>this the most insects and arachnids, bugs and spiders. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>the male six spot burnet moth gives the gift. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on, I will explain why gives the gift of

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<v Speaker 2>cyanide to the lady.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, would you like some cyanide?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>My goodness, I certainly would.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then let's go at it now. For us, cyanide

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<v Speaker 2>is bad and deadly and we don't want it. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of the six spot moth, it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>they use it as a defense mechanism, so they like

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<v Speaker 2>to get cyanide inside of them. Nursery web spiders go

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<v Speaker 2>a man will go to a lady with some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of of tasty morsel wrapped up in silk and then

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<v Speaker 2>sprits some chemicals on it that they have to make

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<v Speaker 2>it even more alluring. And if the if the guy

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<v Speaker 2>shows up, hey, I wrapped this larva in silk for you,

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<v Speaker 2>and the lady goes nah, the guy will go back

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<v Speaker 2>and wrap more silk and then come back and go

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<v Speaker 2>what about now. Now here's the thing, though, sometimes these

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<v Speaker 2>guys are cheapskates. Sometimes the male nursery web spider will

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<v Speaker 2>try to trick the lady by taking some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>low quality prey or maybe even like they ate half

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<v Speaker 2>of a larva and then they got full, and now

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<v Speaker 2>there's this half eaten larva and they're like, I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>wrap it in silk, and you know, see if I

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<v Speaker 2>get this lady to take it. Because the here's what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what's in a gift before you unwrap it? No?

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<v Speaker 2>You do not. Generally you have to unwrap it first,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would imagine wrapping something in silk makes it

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<v Speaker 2>to fairly time consuming to open it up. So the

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<v Speaker 2>guy shows up here, I forgot you this, and the

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<v Speaker 2>lady spider is unwrapping it and the guy he just

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<v Speaker 2>starts mating with her and she's distracted, and he'll finish

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<v Speaker 2>his business and run off, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then she gets it open.

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<v Speaker 2>And goes, gosh, this is just half an eating larva.

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<v Speaker 1>What a cad.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a study done on this, Yes, somebody funded

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<v Speaker 2>a study to find out how often the male nursery

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<v Speaker 2>web spider gave a crappy gift to a female as

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<v Speaker 2>part of the mating ritual and said that as many

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<v Speaker 2>as seventy percent of the gift's gift, even by the dude,

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<v Speaker 2>are fake. So it must really. I mean, you think

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<v Speaker 2>it's tough dating human guys, ladies, think of what it's

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<v Speaker 2>like being one of these lady spiders. Then there's the

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<v Speaker 2>animals that give the gift of themselves. For example, the

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<v Speaker 2>sagebrush cricket. They had a deal, the man and the lady.

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<v Speaker 2>If you let me mate with you, you, the lady,

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<v Speaker 2>can nibble on my wings, you can eat part of

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<v Speaker 2>my body.

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<v Speaker 1>You can even suck some of my blood.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not blood, it's the insect equivalent of blood.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called some science name like hemelythh or something hemolymph.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but yeah, you can be a little

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<v Speaker 2>vampire on me for the privilege of mating with you,

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<v Speaker 2>not to point out that it's really in both of

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<v Speaker 2>their interests to mate at some point, because you gotta,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, keep the species going.

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<v Speaker 1>So letting the lady nibble on you is one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But the male redback spider, this is what happens here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is grim.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, could we make some spider bait? Could I put

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<v Speaker 2>some spider babies in you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, you could? All right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>And while that's happening, while they are pro creating, this

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<v Speaker 2>spider will flip, like do a backflip into the lady's

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<v Speaker 2>mouth so she can chew on his body while they're mating,

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually she eats all of him. But look, here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, you know, Apparently out in the wild, it's

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<v Speaker 2>much like it is here in the human world, where,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, are you lucky if you're a guy and

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking to procreate? Are you lucky if you get

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<v Speaker 2>a lady to agree to? And so I guess they

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<v Speaker 2>don't mind. Also, it's another distraction in this regard. It's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm now in your mouth and you can eat me,

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<v Speaker 2>which buys him some time to I don't mean I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not trying to be gross. This is clinical to put

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<v Speaker 2>more sperm inside of her, which means more offspring. The

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<v Speaker 2>way it works, it doesn't work that way for humans,

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<v Speaker 2>but apparently here it does. So it is ultimately about

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about generosity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about trying. And it's not even about like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a randy animal and I just I really need

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<v Speaker 2>to do it and what do I have to do

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<v Speaker 2>to get you to let me. It's it's really about

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<v Speaker 2>we need to not die out. But y'all aren't making

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<v Speaker 2>it so easy. God, you didn't make it super easy

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<v Speaker 2>for us to keep from dying out.

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<v Speaker 1>So now it's tricks and gifts and fake food and.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me keep the species going, and I'll give up

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<v Speaker 2>my life to do it. All right, that's heavy petting

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<v Speaker 2>for a Tuesday. We'll probably do another one before the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the week.

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