Speaker 1: It's night time with Dan Ray. I'm dull you Beasy
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Speaker 2: Tonight will be much cooler than recent. Here Gone Today
Speaker 2: is going to be big, the most watched daytime service
Speaker 2: of the year, over six million worldwide by one the
Speaker 2: King of the world.
Speaker 3: Your whole ministry is set up to serve the Gemstones.
Speaker 2: Shame yourself, well, praise bd he. Why does that he
Speaker 2: leave me out of everything?
Speaker 4: Being leaders?
Speaker 5: That's men's business.
Speaker 2: No more of a man than Kelvin is why God
Speaker 2: argue with today.
Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Jesus, thank you for letting me to be
Speaker 5: born into this world as a Gemstone.
Speaker 2: I grew up in a rural area. What she's trying
Speaker 2: to say is that she is a poverty person. I
Speaker 2: grew up in a hard working, middle class family. We
Speaker 2: weren't rich, but we also weren't poor.
Speaker 5: And we also don't really care if that's kind of
Speaker 5: a boring lame or the story.
Speaker 2: Nothing better than the Gemstones, the righteous Gemstones on HBO
Speaker 2: and joining us right now is one of my good friends.
Speaker 2: As we continue our series of Boston Guys doing Well
Speaker 2: in Hollywood. We had Michael Mallley on, we had Chip Hamilton,
Speaker 2: on and now we have Chris Pappers on the Pride
Speaker 2: of ALGONQA and high School Happy.
Speaker 4: How you doing, Oh Gary, how you doing, mister Tangle,
Speaker 4: I'm doing great.
Speaker 2: Listen, it's great to talk to you. And I just
Speaker 2: want to run down some of your credits here because
Speaker 2: one of the things that I find amazing, and I
Speaker 2: talked about this you probably weren't listening, but at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the show, it's almost like the Ray Donovan thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, could Ray Donovan really go half a Hollywood
Speaker 2: is from Boston. It's amazing to me, it really is.
Speaker 2: Half of Hollywood's from Boston. All the guys working on
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because as Bostonians and New
Speaker 2: England nights, we have so much pain that we need
Speaker 2: to go out and do something creative.
Speaker 4: But it is quite a pain. It is quite a
Speaker 4: painful profession.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4: If you hit the nerve, you hit the nerve on
Speaker 4: something there.
Speaker 2: But you know you've written, you'd be Halloween. You worked
Speaker 2: with Sandler on that wrong way, Missy producer, do over
Speaker 2: the right I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, let me get
Speaker 2: that wrong. The Righteous Jemstones also on Unhitched, where you
Speaker 2: worked with the great Rashida Jones. So you've had a
Speaker 2: great run and a great career and I just want
Speaker 2: to talk to you about the ride. So, you know,
Speaker 2: what do you think is it about people from New England?
Speaker 2: Because I mean I got to get Donnie Wahlberg on
Speaker 2: here and some other folks. What do you think about
Speaker 2: it is people from New England that make great writers
Speaker 2: or great creative people?
Speaker 4: You know, maybe that we're all like arcastic, son of
Speaker 4: a bitch is grown up. I think that might have
Speaker 4: to do something with it about it, So I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's a good question. Yeah, when I came out to
Speaker 4: l A, you know, uh in Santa Monica, and it
Speaker 4: took me about five minutes to figure out that, uh
Speaker 4: Sonny McLean's And they even have a Boston bar out there, right,
Speaker 4: you know, it's almost like they have you should have
Speaker 4: like a Sonny McLean internship out there that just bred
Speaker 4: a bunch of Boston people. But but yeah, no, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of connections, a lot of I remember when
Speaker 4: I first got out there, there's a lot of like
Speaker 4: Emerson people out there from Boston. I remember they had
Speaker 4: they have a lot of internships that I met a
Speaker 4: lot of good people that had come out there. But
Speaker 4: you know, it's just just like one of those things.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you tell me, you know why. What
Speaker 4: drove me out there was you know, it was kind
Speaker 4: of on my own. I didn't really follow anybody. I
Speaker 4: kind of went on my I drove out solo. And
Speaker 4: when you get out there, you know, it is kind
Speaker 4: of the land of the lost out there. But you
Speaker 4: know that's one thing that's a little bit of a
Speaker 4: saving grace, is like the connections that you make, ironically
Speaker 4: are the deeper ones are all from the people, uh,
Speaker 4: from the East Coast. You know, our friend Chris Meyer,
Speaker 4: he was one of the first people I met out there,
Speaker 4: and you know that's how I hooked up with the
Speaker 4: Fairly Brothers. But I met him even before I met
Speaker 4: the Fairlies or before he met the Fairlies, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I guess us Boston people kind of like
Speaker 4: find a way to kind of connect.
Speaker 2: Isn't there like a Newemen basketball game out there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it was just it was yeah, it
Speaker 4: was like the courts and Santa Monica and it was
Speaker 4: kind of a melting pot, you know of whether it
Speaker 4: was Boston. I mean it was really you know a
Speaker 4: group of people from everywhere, but it was really a
Speaker 4: way to connect with with people. I mean even Woody
Speaker 4: Haw some movie playing out there. Don cheatle I had
Speaker 4: a great story about, Uh, this isn't a you know,
Speaker 4: a Boston guy. But I went out there to run
Speaker 4: a game once and we needed a fifth and this
Speaker 4: guy kind of this like six foot six a Donnis
Speaker 4: who's like twenty two years old, walks out and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: you want to actually kind of run? We just own
Speaker 4: the court for the whole day. Uh, And I'm figuring
Speaker 4: like this guy has to be a professional athlete. And
Speaker 4: his name was Jason, and I'm like, what are you
Speaker 4: doing out here? And he's like, yeah, I'm out here
Speaker 4: for the NFL Draft and I'm like, oh really, I'm
Speaker 4: my god, guys like the most athletic person I've ever
Speaker 4: witnessed in any sport. And then I remember I went
Speaker 4: home and I looked in the first round in my
Speaker 4: Sporting News magazine and it was Jason Taylor that was
Speaker 4: ended up drafted by the Miami Dolton And they had
Speaker 4: one blurb in the Sporting News and it said could
Speaker 4: be the most athletic player in the whole draft. And
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, he was a good athlete.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4: Who but those courts, but those courts were like, you know,
Speaker 4: really a melting pot. And how I kind of how
Speaker 4: you kind of made your friends your connections and you know, uh,
Speaker 4: it was kind of a big thing for me.
Speaker 2: Well, I heard Bill Lawrence tell the story. Who was
Speaker 2: actually a writer on Friends for a season. But as
Speaker 2: we know, Bill Lawrence went on to do Spin City.
Speaker 2: I believe Spen City. But Ted Lasso and he and
Speaker 2: George Clooney before Clooney was Clooney were playing basketball and
Speaker 2: Lawrence said, yeah, I got on this show Friends. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's going to go. And then cluding said, yeah,
Speaker 2: well I'm on the show.
Speaker 1: Er.
Speaker 2: They've used the name a hundred times. It doesn't look
Speaker 2: that good, right, And they were sitting there talking about it,
Speaker 2: like playing hoop. It's a big it's a big thing
Speaker 2: in Hollywood, you know, it is the families, right, didn't
Speaker 2: fairly used to take courts with them on sets.
Speaker 4: They you know, not as much as like Sandler. You know,
Speaker 4: he plays like everywhere. But but yeah, we would like
Speaker 4: we would have games all the time, you know, Pete
Speaker 4: and Bob whenever they would go on set. I mean
Speaker 4: they would make the sets amazing, like you know we've
Speaker 4: had we would have a crew egg tosses, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. Uh, we just stopped for ushing and
Speaker 4: those guys. We just have all the crew everybone who
Speaker 4: would pair up for an egg toss at the end
Speaker 4: of the day. But but yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: that's how you meet people when you go you know,
Speaker 4: when you go out and you make the jump, you
Speaker 4: kind of have to figure you know, stuff out, and
Speaker 4: you're going to meet people, and uh, you know the
Speaker 4: weird thing is is these people become your good friends
Speaker 4: first and then you kind of like branch out from
Speaker 4: there because everyone you know, at the time when I
Speaker 4: moved out there in the mid nineties, you know, Hollywood
Speaker 4: was you know, it's a different story back then now
Speaker 4: from now to you know me, the nineties was like
Speaker 4: just a great error to kind of go out to
Speaker 4: LA and try to you know, try to make it.
Speaker 4: You know, there was no internet. There was like you know,
Speaker 4: trade magazines and you know, you just hope one day
Speaker 4: you were gonna your name would be in the trades
Speaker 4: and selling the script, and uh, you know it was.
Speaker 4: You know, I look back on it now as such
Speaker 4: a nostalgic time, you know. Uh. In these days it's
Speaker 4: just streaming and you know, the games changed COVID. Everything's
Speaker 4: done still through zoom meetings instead of in person meetings. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it's just a different world. Now.
Speaker 2: We are going to continue our conversation with the Great
Speaker 2: Chris Pappus from Malgonquin High School, as we continue our
Speaker 2: series with Boston guys doing well in Hollywood. That's all
Speaker 2: coming up next year on WBZ.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from The Window World,
Speaker 1: Light Side Studios on WBZ the News Radio.
Speaker 5: Dark forces are at work, evil forces that wish to
Speaker 5: destroy our family.
Speaker 2: The Lord has always had Gemstone's back.
Speaker 4: They don't messing with the male.
Speaker 5: The Lord is easy pickings.
Speaker 2: I refuse to be blackmail kind of. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: pretty much exactly what this is.
Speaker 4: Can you go down for this?
Speaker 2: You better keep our names out your mouth. You'll stop
Speaker 2: trying to step to me.
Speaker 4: Did Jesus flash me? Do it again?
Speaker 2: See what I did?
Speaker 5: You live dumb with them glasses on, wearing them it's.
Speaker 2: Fashion to night daytime dummy. Maybe Johnny sees it was right.
Speaker 2: Any of this family has become an abomination. What day
Speaker 2: you just threw Jesus across the room? No it was
Speaker 2: a karate person. No, that wasn't a karate person.
Speaker 5: That was Jesus.
Speaker 2: Writer and producer from The gem Stones. Do you want
Speaker 2: to see Chris Pappus to continue our series of local
Speaker 2: guys doing great in Hollywood? And I do want to
Speaker 2: get to the JEMs Stones real quick. But Danny McBride
Speaker 2: and the key to that whole show, pap is just
Speaker 2: everything is said seriously, right, but it's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's uh, it's really Danny's baby and
Speaker 4: Danny's vision and you know, us writers here we just
Speaker 4: we support his vision. But but yeah, it kind of
Speaker 4: comes from uh, it comes from truth. You know, he
Speaker 4: grew up in the South and he was kind of
Speaker 4: a witness to all the stuff and uh in these megachurches,
Speaker 4: and you know, obviously there's a lot of comedy to
Speaker 4: mine from that, but you know, but it definitely comes
Speaker 4: from like you want to believe that these people are
Speaker 4: you know, believers, you know what I mean, especially from
Speaker 4: the top from John Goodman and uh, you know, and
Speaker 4: you know we do a lot of flashbacking too to
Speaker 4: kind of you know, deep root, that kind of realistic approach,
Speaker 4: so we can go a little hog wild with the comedy.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, it's also tough though. As you told me
Speaker 2: when this started, is they don't make fun of religion
Speaker 2: because you don't want to insult people. But their believers,
Speaker 2: the Gemstones are believers. They just want to make a
Speaker 2: lot of money doing it.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, you know, And it's it's a core though,
Speaker 4: you know, when the when the show's kind of running,
Speaker 4: running its best and it's it's it's on track. It's
Speaker 4: really this three spoiled kids, you know what I mean, right,
Speaker 4: and the fact that it's like, you know, that's really
Speaker 4: how you get away with it. It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's kind of the rich megachurch dad and it's a business.
Speaker 4: It's like the family run business. And but like you know,
Speaker 4: he has these hill these grown you know, grown men
Speaker 4: and women are his children, but still act like their children.
Speaker 4: And uh, you know, whenever we're writing and whenever we
Speaker 4: can get the three of them in scenes together, is
Speaker 4: I think when we all feel the show hits stride.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Edie's great, Edie Patterson, correct.
Speaker 4: He's Yeah, he's like just such a talent like she
Speaker 4: she writes with us. So you know, there's only about
Speaker 4: six writers, including Danny and Edie. So you know that's
Speaker 4: the other part of this. Uh, to be in such
Speaker 4: a small writer's room with really fifty percent of the
Speaker 4: core cast with Edie and Danny is amazing. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, it's very rare that you could
Speaker 4: do that. It'd be hard pressed to find another show
Speaker 4: out there that that does that, where you have the
Speaker 4: two of the main leads in the writer's room, and
Speaker 4: and so it's kind of a it's almost an advantage.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, she's also a member of the Groundlings or wasn't
Speaker 2: she a Grounding?
Speaker 4: Yes? And she does improv like Edie's just what's great
Speaker 4: about easy, Like she just hones her craft. I mean,
Speaker 4: not only is is she a great actor, she's a
Speaker 4: great writer too, And so we collaborate a lot together
Speaker 4: and it's so much fun working with Edie and she's
Speaker 4: such a cool person. And a little fact there you
Speaker 4: mentioned Unhitched, right, and that was a TV show that
Speaker 4: we created. I believe it was two thousand and eight, right,
Speaker 4: and and we ran that. We casted that show, you know,
Speaker 4: with bit actors, and we always tried to find special people,
Speaker 4: and we actually we casted her and she made the
Speaker 4: cut in a in one of the episodes of Unhitched
Speaker 4: when it was one of her first jobs.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: And I didn't know her at all. Right. It was
Speaker 4: kind of like, we're all kind of like, oh, she's
Speaker 4: really funny, let's hire just the funny ones. And then
Speaker 4: you cut to you know, a decade and a half
Speaker 4: later and or you know, ten years later, maybe when
Speaker 4: we first started the writer room. I didn't recognize her.
Speaker 4: And she kind of was like, you know, I was
Speaker 4: brought up on hit. She's like, you know, I was
Speaker 4: kind of I'm like what, I gotta be kidding. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's look my first job. I was like, oh, that's wild.
Speaker 4: So but she's yeah, she she does improv shows, you know,
Speaker 4: down here in Charleston, she does some improv shows. When
Speaker 4: she's in LA. She does improv shows. You know, she's
Speaker 4: just a pro, that's what she is.
Speaker 2: She plays Judy Jimstone. She said, people who follow the
Speaker 2: show obviously know who we're talking about, but Judy Jimson
Speaker 2: along with Adam Devine who plays the brother, and then
Speaker 2: Danny as well. But one thing I want to mention,
Speaker 2: she was great and knives out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's great, knives out and uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: she's great.
Speaker 2: That was a serious turn. That was not a comedic role.
Speaker 4: It was not a comedic role. So I mean she
Speaker 4: could you know, she can act, you know, but she
Speaker 4: can also wing it. You know. It's and I you know,
Speaker 4: and you see it. I mean when you let her
Speaker 4: go do her thing, you just kind of stand back
Speaker 4: and watch. She's great. You know. When we write pages
Speaker 4: and a lot of times we'll read them out loud.
Speaker 4: It's always fun to just to sit back and listen
Speaker 4: to an eatye one, you know that's great.
Speaker 2: What is the writer's room like? Take us through that
Speaker 2: whole experience. You've been in a number of them, But
Speaker 2: what are you know, in general some of your experiences
Speaker 2: and what is it like with the Gemstones.
Speaker 4: Well, like I just said, like the most unique thing
Speaker 4: is having you know, what is it forty percent of
Speaker 4: the writers are the actors, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So having those two people in it, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's just real intimate. We kind of operate out of Charleston.
Speaker 4: We kind of you know, I was in La for
Speaker 4: you know, I don't even know from ninety four up
Speaker 4: until two thousand and nine eighteen, and then we kind
Speaker 4: of McBride just said, hey, do you want to go
Speaker 4: right on the show and pitch this whole thing about
Speaker 4: South Carolina? And so we moved the family to come
Speaker 4: here and and it was you know, it is really
Speaker 4: a family, you know, with him and his family and
Speaker 4: other people.
Speaker 2: Uh happy. How does it work? Like just so like
Speaker 2: when you start from an idea, how does an episode
Speaker 2: get written?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: How does it give us the detail?
Speaker 4: I guess you start, I mean you start with anything, right,
Speaker 4: You start with kind of like what are you trying
Speaker 4: to do in the series? Right? What's this year about?
Speaker 4: And really it just starts out as kind of like
Speaker 4: really just a big idea, and then you kind of
Speaker 4: just focus it down and really you try to generate
Speaker 4: storylines for all the lead characters, and so you know,
Speaker 4: some episodes might be heavier and some of those main
Speaker 4: character storylines and or some of them if a main
Speaker 4: the best is when you have a main storyline that
Speaker 4: affects them all, you know, like, you know, the best
Speaker 4: moment I could you know example I could give you
Speaker 4: is like in season two, they show up at this
Speaker 4: New York Time Jason Schwartzman's little place that he's like
Speaker 4: a New York Times article writer doing a piece on them,
Speaker 4: and they slip in his blood and fall, you know,
Speaker 4: and they run out and get in the tesla. Like
Speaker 4: that's when the show for me works its best. But
Speaker 4: you know, when you break it down, you really just
Speaker 4: kind of need, like you know, before you start like
Speaker 4: writing dialogue or writing out the script, you just kind
Speaker 4: of have to outline what the stories are and what
Speaker 4: the arcs are for the season.
Speaker 2: How long does that take?
Speaker 4: How many lot of energy?
Speaker 2: Because I think I don't think people understand how much
Speaker 2: time it takes to do what you guys do.
Speaker 4: We you know, we uh, you know, we're lucky enough
Speaker 4: to have you know, Danny likes to like really go
Speaker 4: down a lot of roads. And so for example, this
Speaker 4: year on season four, we started right at the beginning
Speaker 4: of January and we finished in about June, so it's
Speaker 4: about six months. But it's only nine thirty minute episodes.
Speaker 4: Now some may go longer, some might be forty five
Speaker 4: minutes that might before, but generally speaking, it's about a
Speaker 4: half hour show. And so you know, you're good six
Speaker 4: months on nine half hour episodes now in contrast to
Speaker 4: what people might see, let's say like a multi camera
Speaker 4: sitcom like like Frasier, where you shoot like twenty two
Speaker 4: or twenty four episodes of half hour you have about
Speaker 4: you know, six to eight months to write those. We
Speaker 4: take you know a lot of time only because we
Speaker 4: go down a lot of roads. You know, we like
Speaker 4: to try different roads out. So we go through and
Speaker 4: write you know a lot of scripts and go down
Speaker 4: a lot of storylines that are dead ends, and we're
Speaker 4: not afraid to, uh, to just start over, you know,
Speaker 4: like to.
Speaker 2: Give us a dead end case if you don't mind
Speaker 2: sharing if you can, I understand, but like a dead
Speaker 2: end of what like for example, like you guys had
Speaker 2: this great idea and you were trying to get it.
Speaker 4: And oh, oh for an example, yeah example, yeah, like
Speaker 4: you know, I think it won one for this season.
Speaker 4: We had an episode where Jesse was going to get
Speaker 4: pulled over or he did get pulled over, and you know,
Speaker 4: he ends up getting arrested and evades the cop and
Speaker 4: you know, we're like, what can happen from that? And like,
Speaker 4: you know, do we get the sheriff involved in the
Speaker 4: power of the gemstone? You know what, like do they
Speaker 4: squash this guy? And did this guy get fired? And
Speaker 4: as he come back as like a villain? Like again,
Speaker 4: those are for an example, let's try and and play
Speaker 4: that out, you know. But sometimes if you have a
Speaker 4: storyline like the one I just pitched out and it
Speaker 4: goes down a road that maybe doesn't affect some of
Speaker 4: the other siblings that you know, you don't want to
Speaker 4: necessarily write storylines that kind of deviate from what I
Speaker 4: explained about earlier, which would be the kind of like
Speaker 4: have storylines that trigger the whole like the siblings, the
Speaker 4: three siblings.
Speaker 2: Right right, because that's when they're at their best.
Speaker 4: That's what that's their best, so you know, but sometimes
Speaker 4: you know it can you know, maybe we could figure
Speaker 4: out how that could affect all three of them. So,
Speaker 4: you know, we wrote a lot of scenes that were
Speaker 4: really funny. Danny wrote a great scene that I was
Speaker 4: just talking about about Jesse and uh and it was
Speaker 4: really good. We really wanted to keep it, and we
Speaker 4: kept it for a really long time and and Hopefully
Speaker 4: we don't have to use it again because I'm telling
Speaker 4: everybody about you know, but that's an example of going
Speaker 4: down roads. But like it was because this great kind
Speaker 4: of like episode or scene was written that kind of
Speaker 4: elicited some like, you know, a deeper story, and so
Speaker 4: we try to navigate those what those story turns could generate.
Speaker 4: Maybe they generate like a good villain or a bad guy,
Speaker 4: or a funny character so or funny situation. So it's
Speaker 4: really just trying to you know, stimulate our creative energy
Speaker 4: to kind of go down these separate roads.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just I'm glad you explained that, because I don't
Speaker 2: think people understand how much work it takes to make
Speaker 2: something back. They just they don't. Oh, let's just come
Speaker 2: up with an idea. And but I do also want
Speaker 2: to get into some of your other experiences as well
Speaker 2: with Sandler, and that's coming up next. Chris Pappus is
Speaker 2: our guest as we continue to talk about Boston guys
Speaker 2: who have made a big in Hollywood. Walton Goggins is
Speaker 2: another guy I want to cover two because I think
Speaker 2: he's been a breakout star since The Gemstones. That's all
Speaker 2: coming up next here on WBZ.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
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Speaker 5: This is a family business. Daddy's faculties are waning. The
Speaker 5: next logical leaders would be Ambury myself.
Speaker 2: Oh not the only married people in this family. Me
Speaker 2: and Bija are also strongly betrothed. Not a real family,
Speaker 2: no kids, flag them. I like that one. I don't
Speaker 2: got time for kids because I'm trying to keep this
Speaker 2: fresh physique.
Speaker 1: Fine, I'm not trying to be all loose and stretched
Speaker 1: out like Amber's played.
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Speaker 4: Is junior in mine from Memphis.
Speaker 5: This hot piece of tale.
Speaker 2: That's my daughter Judy.
Speaker 1: Oh excuse me, and it's one of our girlfriends.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a lesbian partner. I'm her husband, b J.
Speaker 4: There's something else y'all should be aware of.
Speaker 2: A reporter is in our backyard. I'm doing a piece
Speaker 2: on your family. Do you think I have a tussled
Speaker 2: with the press before? Well, story I got isn't. I'm
Speaker 2: you don't answer which one in my family or you after?
Speaker 4: Who are you trying to smear?
Speaker 2: We are in this reporters cross heres. There you go.
Speaker 2: The Gemstones love it on HBO. Chris Pappers, a writer
Speaker 2: and producer on the program, is joining us here. Also
Speaker 2: a local guy that's done great as we continue our
Speaker 2: series of talking to local people in Hollywood by do
Speaker 2: you know Chris Bauer at all? From heels? Chris?
Speaker 4: I don't know Chris Bower.
Speaker 2: He's coming on tomorrow night at nine o'clock. I had
Speaker 2: O'Malley on, so Mally came on and I said, when
Speaker 2: I took this gig, I said, I'm feeling for Ray.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to the people I want to
Speaker 2: talk to. So that's what I'm doing. So Bower's coming
Speaker 2: on tomorrow night and I which I can't wait for
Speaker 2: because I loved him well.
Speaker 4: Speaking of sorry, I was speaking of O'Malley before Boston Connections. Uh,
Speaker 4: I was actually watched the Super Bowl at O'Malley's house
Speaker 4: when Welker dropped that ball. Caught it should have caught it,
Speaker 4: should have caught it. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough one to take. I was actually
Speaker 2: at that one. Yeah, that was that was a tough
Speaker 2: that was. It was even tough for being here in
Speaker 2: perfect person, Pappy, I'll tell you that. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: Walton Goggins. Now, I know he was on Vice Principal,
Speaker 2: Vice Principal, but now he's kind of blowing up a
Speaker 2: little bit after the Gemstones and he's done some serious
Speaker 2: work as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's done Falling and he got nominated you know
Speaker 4: a bunch for that and that series. You know, it's
Speaker 4: based off the video game. I think it's on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 4: And and then he's just you know, he went he
Speaker 4: actually got to town here in Charleston about I don't know,
Speaker 4: three weeks ago, and he was in Thailand shooting White
Speaker 4: Lotus three. Yeah, he's right, yeah, he's not slowing down.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: That's a busy man right there. So but he's obviously
Speaker 4: you know, well.
Speaker 2: Risen, Pappy, I mean, Chris, you've worked with God. I
Speaker 2: mean you got Sandler Danny, I mean Goggins, John Goodman,
Speaker 2: we mentioned Edie Patterson, Adam Devine, U you've met with
Speaker 2: You've worked with some great actors. What is it? What
Speaker 2: is the key? What what makes it? What? What makes
Speaker 2: it work for them?
Speaker 4: I mean for the actors in general, like the actors.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean you've worked with some really heavy hitters.
Speaker 2: I mean even Sandlert, you know, like like U be Halloween.
Speaker 2: You made a lot of money. Good for you and
Speaker 2: you know, kids love it. But like you know, I'm
Speaker 2: him riding the bike. It's not my thing, but you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a grown man.
Speaker 4: Well, I produced that. I did not write that. Adam
Speaker 4: wrote that.
Speaker 2: He wrote I thought you wrote the I.
Speaker 4: Did, yes, and so wrote the treatment. But I didn't
Speaker 4: write the whole story, okay, you know. And but that
Speaker 4: was an Adam thing. He just was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: can he do you mind if I write this one
Speaker 4: of them? You know, my partner I want to. He
Speaker 4: writes these movies with Hurly. He a lot and uh,
Speaker 4: you know I've written a few for him as well,
Speaker 4: and so I would say, you know, one of the
Speaker 4: things is if there's common denominators, like what you're trying
Speaker 4: to get at with you know, all these people from
Speaker 4: what I see, the successful ones like yeah, guys like Danny,
Speaker 4: guys like Adam, they can really write, they can really direct,
Speaker 4: and they can act, and so it's really, you know,
Speaker 4: pretty impressive to you know, be a part of that
Speaker 4: and see that and just and they're also like workhorses.
Speaker 4: You know, I work hard, but I don't work nearly
Speaker 4: as hard as Danny or Adam Sandler, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Those guys just are relentless, And when you
Speaker 4: work with them, it's almost kind of like I'm like
Speaker 4: the out of shape guy having to like keep up
Speaker 4: with the guy who's in shape running like a twenty
Speaker 4: mile marathon, right, you know what I mean, Like, you know,
Speaker 4: like you're going to be sore the next day, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So when you work with them,
Speaker 4: you have to be ready. You know, you really kind
Speaker 4: of have to make sure you're kind of locked in
Speaker 4: and understand it's a seven day a week job. When
Speaker 4: you're kind of especially when you're locking into either a
Speaker 4: movie with a start date or you know, obviously with
Speaker 4: a shooting date for television, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: What about a guy like John Goodman, who's like Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame, you just go down that list from I
Speaker 2: mean the movies I mean are incredible.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, i mean he's just you know, I
Speaker 4: mean he's just a classic. I mean he's a pro
Speaker 4: too write. I mean he you know, that guy just
Speaker 4: rolls rolls in. He knows kind of what to do,
Speaker 4: how to turn it on. He's been doing it so long.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know he was an originally a stand
Speaker 4: up guy and he was and yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no, he was a stand up comedian.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was. Yah, yeah Goodman. My buddy who I
Speaker 4: met out here who was part of the improv, he
Speaker 4: was Bud Freeman steps On. He was telling me stories
Speaker 4: like he used to tell me stories where John Goodman would.
Speaker 4: He'd be like getting up to go to high school,
Speaker 4: like he grew up and went to Beverly Hills High.
Speaker 4: He just get up and like get a cereal and
Speaker 4: look down and there's like John Goodman just you know,
Speaker 4: passed out on his sofa. You know, we like a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff on that coffee table.
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of sugar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of sugar, a lot of pepper, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But a guy like Sandler, who
Speaker 2: you've worked very closely with, who you know the Due Over,
Speaker 2: which was a script that you wrote, Kevin wrote that
Speaker 2: he did with with Spade and so forth. But like
Speaker 2: when I see Sandler turn it like with the Myriad
Speaker 2: Stories or Uncut Gems, you know, that's where he really
Speaker 2: blows me away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean, you know again, it's I think
Speaker 4: it's just, you know, it's just when you've been the
Speaker 4: business for as long as some of these people have,
Speaker 4: you know, you want to try and you want to
Speaker 4: try to do new things to keep it fresh. And
Speaker 4: that would be my kind of educated guest on like
Speaker 4: how they're able to do it and do it so successfully,
Speaker 4: is that you know when you've crushed it, like let's
Speaker 4: say Sandler, you know, young Sandler and Billy Madison days
Speaker 4: probably could not do Uncut Gems right away, right right right,
Speaker 4: But as you you know, as you once you have,
Speaker 4: you have goals that you accomplish, and you know, and
Speaker 4: he's a workaholic. I mean, you know, if you look
Speaker 4: at like Sandler's body of work, He's produced sitcoms that
Speaker 4: have been hugely successful, like Goldberg's and the one that
Speaker 4: Spade was in. Those things ran years and years. He's
Speaker 4: done Hotel Transylvania movie, like those you know, that whole franchise,
Speaker 4: animated comedies, he's done. I mean, he's done everything, really
Speaker 4: and so I think it's really just like a Adams,
Speaker 4: like one of those people who you know, he'll look
Speaker 4: at like an instrument and just be like, I'm going
Speaker 4: to learn to play that, and he just can. He's
Speaker 4: just one of those guys that he's just a determined dude,
Speaker 4: you know, in a New Hampshire guy, you know. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, but he's a good and he's just kind
Speaker 4: of a cool dude. Like he's like really nice and
Speaker 4: really welcoming, and you know.
Speaker 2: Similarities between he and Danny.
Speaker 4: Workaholics, you know, but not like they're not you know,
Speaker 4: not over the top, but like you know, they just
Speaker 4: really really care, you know, and they're really and they're
Speaker 4: not settled. They don't want to settle for stuff, you know.
Speaker 4: And I would say that just and they probably kind
Speaker 4: of knew what they wanted to do when they were
Speaker 4: really really young, you know, and I just feel like
Speaker 4: they just had that itch and they scratched it at
Speaker 4: a really young age and they were pretty driven and
Speaker 4: pretty focused and uh and they just got good at
Speaker 4: whatever they did. You know McBride, you know the fact
Speaker 4: that he didn't really set out to be an actor.
Speaker 4: He just loved movies. Right.
Speaker 2: He's a camera guy.
Speaker 4: It's a camera guy. He was an editor. I played
Speaker 4: basketball with a guy who hired Danny who Danny was
Speaker 4: like an editor. You know when he first came out
Speaker 4: to lay, Danny was you know, he was he was.
Speaker 4: He had a lot of different jobs like that and
Speaker 4: so but he was just relentless and you know, and
Speaker 4: then these guys want to kind of do their own thing.
Speaker 4: And so that's the other thing is they get to
Speaker 4: that point they do their own thing and they never
Speaker 4: looked back.
Speaker 2: Well also, I should know this the oh God his
Speaker 2: first movie that Jody Jody Hill has part of. They
Speaker 2: went to North Carolina and made it the Karate Movie. Anyways,
Speaker 2: it was yes, yeah, but Danny, they just needed a guy,
Speaker 2: I mean Danny, they needed a guy to play the role.
Speaker 2: And he said, okay, I'll do it. You know it
Speaker 2: was it was that thirty five thousand dollars budget. We
Speaker 2: can't afford anybody, so you do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you know he he does that he
Speaker 4: gets noticed for it. And then Will Ferrell, you know,
Speaker 4: he kind of you know, took him in and really,
Speaker 4: you know, gave Danny the confidence that he needed, just
Speaker 4: like you know for me on a much much, much
Speaker 4: smaller scale like the Fairly Brothers.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know, Pete and Bobby were very good to.
Speaker 4: You absolutely and still are. They're just great dudes, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And and they just keep going
Speaker 4: and going to you know what I mean, Pete winning
Speaker 4: Oscars and you know, doing movie after movie and Bobby too. Now,
Speaker 4: so you know it's you know, it's been a lot
Speaker 4: of like a kind of a fun ride and fun
Speaker 4: to watch all these guys and just because you know him,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of win well.
Speaker 2: I mean, Green Book was great and it just showed
Speaker 2: you know, how talented the guy is. Any any you know,
Speaker 2: Pete could do more than look something about Mary was legendary,
Speaker 2: but you know he could do more than that.
Speaker 4: Again, but there goes to show you, right, the same
Speaker 4: thing that we just talked about Pete Fairley doing you know,
Speaker 4: comedies because he's killing them right right, and then he
Speaker 4: can pivot. You know, you get older, you you know,
Speaker 4: you want more challenges you know, that was a pretty
Speaker 4: big challenge to do that movie, and uh, you know
Speaker 4: he pulled it off, you know, because he's relentless. You know.
Speaker 2: All Right, we have to find out what's coming up
Speaker 2: next for Chris pappas the Pride about Gnquain High School,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna do this. We wrap things up next
Speaker 2: right here on WBC's Night Side. Now back to Dan
Speaker 2: Ray live from the Window World night Side Studios on
Speaker 2: WBZ News Radio. It's done. Figure out your lives.
Speaker 4: You're scared. Your kids gonna bloat pretty much. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: so hel bent on running this church the way you
Speaker 4: did it did The only problem is you ain't you?
Speaker 1: Daddy?
Speaker 4: Just thine facts is the party, our ministry.
Speaker 2: It was the receipt over two hundred medium donas h
Speaker 2: heady baptoos. I'm scared, Jesse, what if we don't have
Speaker 2: what it takes.
Speaker 4: We just have to refuse to fail. I'm going to
Speaker 4: do that together.
Speaker 2: Do we have to include you even that much? These
Speaker 2: are the brothers Tomorrow's Fire.
Speaker 5: This is a militia Jemstones and Montgommery oil and Vinegaren
Speaker 5: fire and I will the end.
Speaker 2: Of times called? Are we to believe that these bony
Speaker 2: Bakers will be called to the Kingdom of Heaven. The
Speaker 2: Resurrection Boy, restore the kingdom.
Speaker 5: The road we have been traveling on has been bumpy
Speaker 5: as of late.
Speaker 1: Somebody needs to make sure everything's gonna turn out.
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll get killed a promise.
Speaker 2: We will try to avenge. You take care of my
Speaker 2: wife and kids. Say what what's up? Yeah, I feel
Speaker 2: like your kids are old enough.
Speaker 4: I mean it's a big ask, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: We don't know what our schedules are.
Speaker 2: The Jemstones eighty Patterson, they're playing Judy Chris Pappis with
Speaker 2: us writer and producer from the Jamstones, local guy making good.
Speaker 2: How much I had living on the Gemstones is there?
Speaker 4: Well, we stick to the page because you know, we
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time on those scripts. That being said,
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't help but to ad lib, you know,
Speaker 4: especially you know you have Divine and Eadie Danny in
Speaker 4: a room together, so you know, there's definitely some singers,
Speaker 4: you know, you know when we go when they go
Speaker 4: to shoot, I pivot out with Kevin who I write with,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, we go and do other works
Speaker 4: like you know, movies and other stuff and uh, and
Speaker 4: then it's a lot of fun because then we get
Speaker 4: to see fresh rough cuts and we can tell I
Speaker 4: could tell in two seconds the ad libs. You know
Speaker 4: what I mean, right, And it's a lot of fun,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean to see those and to
Speaker 4: you know, talk to you know McBride and you know,
Speaker 4: see what was in his head when he went and
Speaker 4: you know, pivoted or did did like a little change
Speaker 4: and you know, it's it's good to separate yourself, you know,
Speaker 4: from that process too.
Speaker 2: When we had Nashville New Hampshire's Michael Maley on, I
Speaker 2: did not realize that he didn't really make it, he
Speaker 2: said until he was thirty two, when he did the
Speaker 2: O'Malley Show. He was thirty two. I said, I thought
Speaker 2: you were like a kid. So how many scripts have you?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 2: You know how many scripts you've you've written? Total?
Speaker 4: I have no idea how many scripts? Like that's a lot.
Speaker 4: Put it that way, one hundred, I would say, yeah, probably,
Speaker 4: Like if you're talking TV and you're talking, I would
Speaker 4: say definitely. If you're talking like you know, when we
Speaker 4: write on Gemstones, we write a lot of scripts that
Speaker 4: you know everyone does. Danny, you know, we write a
Speaker 4: lot of times we just try and we'll write a
Speaker 4: script and like, you know, two days just to kind
Speaker 4: of throw it down.
Speaker 2: Well, I think if you are a Gemstones, it has
Speaker 2: to be a hundred. I'm just curious like the ones
Speaker 2: that didn't make it. See that's again, you know, if.
Speaker 4: You're talking about like you know, you're talking a long time,
Speaker 4: so you're talking, you know, I guess I got to
Speaker 4: tally up the years here. So I've been in the
Speaker 4: let's see w Jason's what two thousand and two something
Speaker 4: like that, so twenty two years and then ten years
Speaker 4: of writing before that. You know, I'm writing probably you know,
Speaker 4: two or three scripts a year. So yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 4: over one hundred. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And and the thing that people don't realize is how
Speaker 2: many don't make it? You know most of them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot. Well, you know, the ratio is when
Speaker 4: when I came out to LA, they're kind of like,
Speaker 4: no matter who you are, it's really one out of
Speaker 4: every eleven scripts that the studios buy, right, they will
Speaker 4: make okay. And they were kind of like, you don't
Speaker 4: want to be the guy who's oh for ten and
Speaker 4: I was kind of I was getting close. Gary, I
Speaker 4: was kind of a guy who was like, oh for
Speaker 4: nine and then uh and then you know, we got
Speaker 4: lucky with or with Unhitched, and that was kind of
Speaker 4: the first one to get made, and the it just
Speaker 4: it actually turned into a whole show. It wasn't just
Speaker 4: even a movie. And so that was great, even though
Speaker 4: we had done like you know, punch Up and stuff
Speaker 4: that did get made, that did get made, but like
Speaker 4: but the real you know, the the solid credit really
Speaker 4: wasn't until then and then uh but yeah, so it's uh,
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's you really have to be uh determined. Well.
Speaker 2: The thing that I know, I know that Chris Pappas
Speaker 2: route was eight AM hits. We start writing, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: we write, and then you're I mean that's it. I
Speaker 2: mean you've got to write like six hours a day.
Speaker 4: It is. You know, it changes though when you have kids,
Speaker 4: because that rule. You know, it's like when you have kids,
Speaker 4: suddenly it's kind of like, oh, I'm gonna be up
Speaker 4: late tonight rule.
Speaker 6: Right right right, you get to do it, yeah exactly,
Speaker 6: So you know, it just is what it is a
Speaker 6: lot of times, just to change stuff up, I'll go away,
Speaker 6: I'll just check out and you know, rent just a
Speaker 6: house for like two or three days, and Kevin and
Speaker 6: I who I you.
Speaker 4: Know who I write with, will just hole up and
Speaker 4: just write, you know, around the clock for three days
Speaker 4: so we're not interrupted if we have to get to
Speaker 4: a deadline.
Speaker 2: You know, you still pulling that scam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still pulling that scam.
Speaker 2: Just buying it.
Speaker 4: It might be a beach house sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is you know, when you were going,
Speaker 3: I go, what are you doing to you know, Kevin
Speaker 3: and I were going, we got a house in Palm Springs,
Speaker 3: I go doing it's a work week, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, okay, good job.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's been great talking to you. We got to
Speaker 2: wrap it up.
Speaker 4: Due time flies, I know, dude, Well, I love you
Speaker 4: and I really appreciate everything. And uh and I hope
Speaker 4: to see you soon. Man.
Speaker 2: All right, Chris Pappusunquin High School, as we consider you
Speaker 2: our series of Boston guys doing well in Hollywood. Pappy,
Speaker 2: We'll see you later, all right, brother, have a good night,
Speaker 2: take care and of course you can catch The Righteous
Speaker 2: Gemstones on HBO. You know, if you haven't watched it,
Speaker 2: just get Caught Up started season one and it's just hilarious.
Speaker 2: And the thing about it is is that, you know,
Speaker 2: I could have talked to Chris about the jemmer Stones
Speaker 2: all night, but I wanted to get some other stuff too.
Speaker 2: But there are so many great characters on there, like you,
Speaker 2: you know, you discover an Eddie Patterson and everybody knew
Speaker 2: you know, you knew about Adam Devine, obviously Daty McBride,
Speaker 2: but I really wasn't up on Walton Goggins. And this
Speaker 2: guy has come on and done amazing things on this show.
Speaker 2: But Tim Baltz is another actor who plays the husband
Speaker 2: of Edie Patterson, and he's kind of like the browbeatn
Speaker 2: type of husband type. He's hilarious in this show. So
Speaker 2: check it out if you're looking for something good to
Speaker 2: watch on TV. All right, final Hour coming up here,
Speaker 2: Gary Tangerine for Dan right here on WBZ. Things that
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