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This is my boys. Stu's coming on from the band

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spirit World, which is you've heard me ranting and raving

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about them. Uh you know, it's one of the only

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newer bands and they're not even new anymore. They've been

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around for years, but one of the newer bands that

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I completely fucking sweat. So keep it locked. This is

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a good one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, once again we have lift off. I want to

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thank you for tuning in to this episode of the

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Big Truth Podcast. And I'm stoked to have my man

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Stu from a band called Spirit World with me today.

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And you've heard me rant and rave and and uh

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fawn out over over this band over the last couple

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of years. I don't like a lot of new stuff,

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but this stuff to me, hits hard. So I'm stoked

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as a as a fan just to have you on today. Man,

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I don't say that about much, so uh, STU, welcome

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to the show. I appreciate you taking the time. I

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know you guys have been like had a You've had

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a crazy be like touring schedule. You guys have been

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been making massive moves and I know you had called

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bladder surgery and this and that. I know that's not

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easy easy dude, especially being vocalist in an extreme type

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of band. But but what's happening, dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the kind words, Thanks for having me.

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festival like a week ago. So everybody got together, hung out,

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fucking decorating my house for Halloween, hanging out, man, having

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a good time. My nephew's flying into town tomorrow. Got

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tickets gonna go to the fights. Nice he's in. It's

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the third or fourth FC on like all through Pride.

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things that I just geek out about and follow. So

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I'm pretty stoked. Gonna be a fun weekend. Yeah, Buddy

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Khalil is fighting on the card. He's you know, a

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title contention fights. So be a good time, man. Yeah,

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got a cool weekend coming up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Being in Vegas is a good is a good

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place to be too if you want to go see

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if you want to go see things live, man, you

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get a lot of a lot of events. There are

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a lot of good cards out there. You don't have

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to go to the paper of view. You can just

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Speaker 2: Yeah you can, man. I mean it's it's expensive like these.

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three fifty a ticket or something, which it's a good card.

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to a bunch and it's cool, like the energy and

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the UFC especially does a good job of like having

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videos and like the walkout music and like they play

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the like sizzle reels before the fights and kill the lights.

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the production. Yeah, and so like boxing, you know, not

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as much anymore. But back when like HBO was popping

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color guys were great, Like I preferred watching it on TV.

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and then you're just kind of in there and it's

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Speaker 3: You know, ye yeah, yeah, it definitely seems like, you know,

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UFC and stuff has stepped up the production and it

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keeps you entertained. So you go there, you're spending that money,

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but you're entertained the whole time. It's not like, like

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you said, were you just sitting there waiting for the

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next you know what I mean match to come up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They stack the cards too, you know, like that was

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another thing. You go, you pay three times as much

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to go to a boxing card. Back in the day,

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it's like an mm A fight, but there's really only

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one fight that's even competitive. The rest are just stacked

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with people they're developing and they're just smashing tomato cans.

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Broden's coming down here, my nephew, Like that's my twin

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brothers kid, and he's a badass. So like he's like,

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I'm sure we'll be down there like watching the first

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fight at like three in the afternoon, so we'll get

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like a it's probably like a ten fight card, ye,

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with like the the main card is just dynamite with

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like killer fights. Like we're probably gonna be down there

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just like I don't know, like a full shift, like

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an eight nine hour yeah shift of fights, you know.

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Speaker 3: Tight. Yeah. And then that's the other thing too, if

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you if you're spending that money, like you still even

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though it's expensive to get in, like like you said,

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you got eight nine hours of entertainment, you know what

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I mean? It fights to watch. It's not like you're

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just watching two fights or something. It's not like watching

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Tyson in the in the eighties where you go you

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spend five hundred bucks to go to the fight and

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it's thirty two seconds long and then you're like all right,

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cool audio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my brother Neck that plays bass and Spirit

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World's coming to so just be the three bros hanging out,

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so it'll be good quality time, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, man, absolutely so. So you guys, you guys

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have been torn pretty heavy, and I know I wanted

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to go see you guys when you played Wista, but

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you know, I don't know. It seems like things right

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now is like there's there'll be nothing happening for three

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full weeks in a row, and then five things are

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always happening, and it's always the same day. And I

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was out of town every time you guys have played.

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I've been out of town. So I'll catch up with

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you sooner or later. And Connor's Connor will give me,

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h give me a heads up when you guys are

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coming around.

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Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I don't think we're doing Worsta this time.

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I think it's uh, I think we're actually in Boston

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at that House of Blues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah cool, it's a good venuard. It's big, it's sound

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as good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never played there, so I saw. I think

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actually Connor brought it up when we were on this

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last little run because I just assumed we were playing

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the Palladium again. He's like, no, bro, fucking you're in Boston, baby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, right down right down in the thick

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of it.

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Speaker 2: My brother just moved out there to uh Amhurst, he's

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uh works at the university. Yeah, and I guess it's

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like an hour from Wooster, maybe a couple hours from

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like three hours. Yeah, three hours away.

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like you know, Albany, you know, upstate New York than

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he is does.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't picture it. Like when he told me, I

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haven't looked at a map either, and I was like, fuck, man,

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I don't. I've never heard of that college. Yeah, and

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because he was at Iowa State yep. And like I

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follow like U n LV college basketball football pretty close,

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and I'm like, Amhurst College, What the fuck is that?

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Speaker 3: Like it's one of the US universe in Massachusetts, Damhurst

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one yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just one of them things that if

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it doesn't have sports, you know, I'm not very Uh.

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Speaker 3: They do, but I don't think they're like you know

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the division that you're watching, you know what I mean,

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they're there, there's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, so it should be cool. Like when we're

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out there, I think it's right around Thanksgiving, So he's

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looking for his house or like in an apartment, So

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gonna try and maybe we can swing by either coming

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or going and go check out Amhurst and hang out

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with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I got another little nephew over there that he's got

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the jiu jitsu bugs, so he's been up there already

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choking out a bunch of massholes.

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Speaker 3: And there you go. So so so the band man,

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like I I like the first the well I first

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heard it, you know, and it was just one of

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those random things you can you can think, you know,

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as as as you know, I know, is as sucky

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as it is for artists. It came up randomly for years.

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Spotify randomly, and I hadn't heard of you guys, you know,

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and this is before this is before Death Western came

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out and everything, so probably you know the year that

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Pagan Rhythms came out and I was like, what the

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fuck is this? This is good, man, this is good.

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And then Death Western came out and or the single,

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the Moonlit Torture, UH single came out and I was like,

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what the fuck that song? And Death Western to me

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like and I'm not saying I've said it on record

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to people like those songs are like absolutely impeccable, one

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hundred percent fucking fucking solid, fucking songs. And that album

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Death Westerns and you know, one of my top albums,

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and like I've explained it to people, I was like,

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imagine if like Integrity and Slayer went back in time

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to the Old West, raped a saloon whore in a

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brothel and had a child. That child is spirit World.

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It is good. But I mean I liked with Western Man.

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It seemed like, uh, it was cool that you Also.

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One thing I wanted to ask you about was the

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you had a book that accompanied it. Did did you

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write the book first and then the music for the record,

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because I know they were like kind of went hand

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in hand or was it like, you know, what's the

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is it chicken or egg situation here?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's all kind of like a big blur.

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It was like like when it started because I started

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writing that collection of short stories and I was working

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on Pagan Rhythms at the same time. Oh okay and

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the like, because that story is continuing. It's just I've

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come to the realization that what was going to just

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be like a zene and me just writing some stuff

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with No. I don't know what the I guess it's

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just I realized now that what I do. Maybe it's

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because I'm like I hyper fixate on the things I create,

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and I just well, it's important to me to like

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make shit really tight and good, and I just kind

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of came to the conclusion that like the stuff that

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I'm doing is not There's nothing that I do that

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is like a it all deserves like a big release.

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So like on the fiction side, like the short stories

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I wrote, I self published them and then like it

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went out of print, and then a publisher in La

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did a really nice version of it that came out

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at the same time as Death Western, and so the

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follow up to that, like the fiction narrative story of

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this horror Western thing, is something I'm also working on too.

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So like all these things are just like one big

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creative outlet that I'm either in here writing, designing merch,

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designing fucking suits and like the stage stuff or writing riffs.

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So I just kind of spirit world. I set it

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up that way too, like because I played in a

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band and you just kind of learn when you go

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through the ring, or if you if you're smart about

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putting your interests into something that can't have a ceiling

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on it. You can really kind of just get fucking

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as weird as you want, you know. And that's something

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that's really appealing to me. And I just wanted to

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have something that I could just I really respect people

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that have a lot of output and really are prolific.

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And I struggled with that real hard because number one,

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when you're like in your early twenties and you don't

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know anybody and you don't know shit, Like I've written

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so many songs that I'll never see the light of day,

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put it that way, And so I kind of came

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to the conclusion, like I want to set up a

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project where on one hand, it's sort of a glorified

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solo project because I'm just sitting here, like most of

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the time one of my cats hangs out with me

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and shit, but like it's just me. It's not like

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me and Matt or me and Nick or drummer anybody's

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hanging out. It's not like I spent a lot of

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time alone doing this. And so I wanted to have

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a project where I could channel that shit and then

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when I look back in ten years, have a body

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of work that actually reflects, you know what, like what

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I'm doing, you know that can grow and change, and

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like as things hit and things become more interesting to me,

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it's cool to be able to like focus on it,

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you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, no, And that's right. So so do you

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have So it sounds like, so you started writing a

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collection of stories. Did like I guess like what I

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was asking too is like those stories and kind of

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informed what you were writing about music wise, but like

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when you were writing songs, did that also inform some

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of the stories? Like did they go?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And it's all completely incestuous. Like there's characters that like

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I wrote some of the songs on Death Western, there's

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you know, some things that came out of a lyric

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that are now and the like the fallow up to

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the fiction stuff. It looks like it'll probably be a

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graphic novel. And so when that stuff finally comes out,

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and then when I put out this other book I'm

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working on at some point in the next five years

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or so, like people go back and be able to

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connect the dots if they look like ideas and things

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that it's hard to explain, but like it's all just

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one big concept. At least this right now, that's corralled.

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At some point I'll step out of that and I

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have a ton of stuff I want to do that's

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outside of this realm that I'll probably still do under

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Spirit World. That'll be you know, where songs could be,

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you know, a little more autobiographical and you know, things

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that are not rooted in this horror Western kind of concept.

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Speaker 3: Sure. So the stuff you're working on now fiction wise,

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is it continuing the same story like the horror the

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horror Western stuff, It's continuing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, So it's that that story is ongoing, like

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through all these songs and through all this writing is

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like one big long saga. It's cool and it sucks

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because it's That's the thing that it was easy with

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Pagan Rhythms because I wrote these short stories. I wrote

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that record. I did it all myself, paid for it,

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and it was like from starting it to having it

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out less than probably eight months, you know, start to finish.

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And now, because like we just finished up our deal

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with Century Media and since like July, have the basic

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tenets of a new deal with the label done and

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things are just going back and forth, and I'm like

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super pumped and happy about where things are landing. But

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the more people you involve and teams and things, yeah,

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it just and just like I said with the book,

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it's like the first one did so well, and now

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I'm like I can't just put it out as like

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a zine or like put it out as an email blast.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you stepped it up, and you got

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to you gotta keep it. You gotta keep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it it needs to be archived. And if

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it's gonna like like that first fiction novel when it

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comes out like it's a blessing and a curse, like

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my name's out there enough that like it's got to

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be great, you know, and not only that, but the

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content's got to be good, but then the actual delivery

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and the marketing and everything has to be good. But

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then that means that you know, you're fucking curating and

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working on these projects that now it spans several years

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between things, where for me that's like that's one of

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the balancing things that you know, it's all good problems

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to have, ye, but it's just something where you you know,

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it's trying to be a creative and just like do

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it because I like to do it. Yeah, knowing that

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things are like like this, these new songs I'm working

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on right now, It's like I would hope I could

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get them out next year, but I wouldn't be surprised

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if with nobody, with everybody doing the right things, it's

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possible that it could make sense to do it. Who knows,

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end of next year, like second quarter of the following year,

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and that could just be reality, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, there's there's a the like you said, there's

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a lot more people involved now, so it it's not easy.

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It's not like you sitting sitting at your place doing

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it like all right, this is done. Let me just

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finance this and throw it out like yeah, you got

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you got labels, and they're going to be like, well,

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we really got this release first and we're gonna put

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this out next quarter, and we feel like it's gonna

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do better than you don't think, you know, yeah, I

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get it. It's a it's more of a more of

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a business, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it's like the touring stuff too, right,

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It's like Eldorado like was received really really well, like yeah, yeah,

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like did absolutely fancy pastick on like Liquid Metal and

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like the best playlisting we've ever had on Spotify, where

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like even right now it's still like just pumping, and

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it's like the touring that you do on top of that,

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it's like one, it's cool for us, where it's like that,

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what do we do this? You're like the oh, we

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like when did like a festival like on a boat thing,

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you know, and it's like, okay, cool, like never done that, sick.

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A couple of our old ladies went like it was badass.

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Speaker 3: And then you.

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Speaker 2: Follow that up. The record comes out and you go

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out with like Obituary, Nails, Terror long tour like five

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and a half weeks or something, and then just did

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some shit with Carcass and then we got this other

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tour coming up, and like all of that is kind

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of part of that album, you know what I mean.

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It's it's not like just you know, you know what

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I'm saying, like just the you put out new art

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and then you know that comes with, you know, hundreds

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and hundreds of shows that are lined up around it

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because people fuck with what you're doing.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like you said, it's good problems to have.

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It's not a it's it's it's a thing, you know

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what I mean. It's a it's a it's a good thing,

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but it's also like takes away probably because like you said,

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you probably appreciate being able to have your time at

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your house to sit there and create and do the

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do the creative part of it, you know, And but yeah,

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you got to do the other end too.

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Speaker 2: Like we all work, and like Matt just had a kid,

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and like my brother's kids, like my niece, uh Brooklyn,

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like she's a senior in high school. Yeah, and like

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just all those things. It's like we're we're just like straight,

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stand up working class dudes where it's like this band

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shit is crazy, Like it's cool as fuck. But we'd

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be lying if we said it was remotely easy to balance.

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Oh shit that spirit world does with and like I

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have a like I have a corporate day job and

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move to remote stuff, so like it got way more flexible.

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But like my brother he owns his own business, so

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you know, he's doing construction shit, so if he's got

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a project, like it's tough to balance things, you know

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what I mean. And like Matt too, like he works

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out of state. And so we've done a good job

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of doing it, and the band gets so many cool

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offers and everybody and the band is all in on

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making it happen because we love doing it. But it's

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really like the age old story of like be careful

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when you're riffing, because it takes you, like you never

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know you write a fucking sick riff. Next thing, you know,

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like your ass is playing a whole lot of shows,

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and if you don't go capitalize on it, there's fifty

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fucking bands standing at the door that are ready to go.

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So it's not like a thing that you can I

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feel responsibility too to like serve the people that dig

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these records. And I feel like, because we don't tour

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full time, there's always a pressure of like we don't

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really do small room shows a lot, and so we

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need to get out doing some headliner things. And it's

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not because it's not because we don't feel like we're

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big enough or ready to do it. It's literally just

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we only tour like three months out of the year,

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four months out of the year, and it's hard to

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say no to going and playing in front of two

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thousand people a night. To go do your own shows

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and you know, play to two hundred kids, which I

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love that too, but it's just like the you know

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what I mean, it's like a it's a balancing act

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where like if you're younger and everybody quits their job

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and don't give a fuck because they have no responsibility,

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you just constantly tour until you burn it out. And

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we're at the point where we're like really trying to

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figure out how to like slot all the puzzle pieces

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of like, oh, my bro's got this sick fucking job

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that he's gonna be. Like Connor's been helping him out.

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He's been in Colorado like tons this year doing all

473
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these like big Walmart projects and shit, and then we're

474
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,319
squeezing in like all the band stuff, all the family stuff.

475
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,079
It's it's crazy, man.

476
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: It's like you said, man, that's like a recurrent theme

477
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,160
when I talk to people in bands. It's you know,

478
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,599
it's a different thing the tour when you're more set

479
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,759
up in life than it is when you're eighteen, nineteen,

480
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:34,880
twenty years old and you've got nothing going on except

481
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,640
the band and you. Everybody's like all in and let's go,

482
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,160
and it's a you you the band, and like five

483
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,759
year friends will jump in the van, you know what

484
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:43,200
I mean, and go out you know what I mean.

485
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,799
But it's a it's a whole yeah story when later

486
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,039
in life.

487
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: Like the people that you know hop in the van

488
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,759
with you, it's like they don't give a fuck fuck

489
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,680
like whatever, job. It's like, fuck my job. I just

490
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,440
put in my notice. I'm going on tour all summer.

491
00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:02,880
I'll figure it out. But like we're all everybody I've

492
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,359
run with is all like established, like grown yeah. Man.

493
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:10,359
So it's it's a thing where it's like you almost

494
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,160
feel guilty a little bit, where you're like, fuck, I

495
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,359
know it says that it's twenty five shows, but with

496
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,960
the off days that the headliners have with their buses

497
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,559
and then you know, we'll have to leave Vegas and

498
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,759
drive out the like our last careur we left for

499
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,240
Baltimore was the last show that we drive like two

500
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,240
and a half days to get home.

501
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sorry, that was me. I thought I

502
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,960
had I have my phone off. I don't know how

503
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,000
they're getting through. And that's the first time that's happen

504
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,400
one hundred and fifty episodes. That's the first time that's happened.

505
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,200
Did you hear that?

506
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: But like you end up adding, like like to a tour,

507
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:49,160
you know, you add the number of shows you play

508
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,599
and you're like, oh, it's only going to be like

509
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,799
a month, and everybody's like, I think I can swing that.

510
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,440
And then you add it up and it's like, actually,

511
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:56,599
it's like fucking.

512
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: Six weeks and a half weeks.

513
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then everybody's and at their ship like fuck,

514
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:03,559
yeah you know.

515
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I hear you, man, there's something I didn't realize.

516
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,160
You designed the suits.

517
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: These ones, like the artwork. My buddy Andy May like

518
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,920
did the drawings of the flash but like the coloring

519
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,279
and like going back and forth on the concepts and

520
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:25,279
the style of suits, and then once you have the artwork,

521
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,279
then working with the tailors to get them made and

522
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,960
like getting the measurements, going back and forth and like

523
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:36,160
all of that kind of shit. Like yeah, it's that right.

524
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,559
There is enough like doing five of them suits if

525
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,480
you're like trying to do a creative project, like that's enough,

526
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:47,519
ye like headache to where you're like, Okay, I accomplished

527
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:52,799
something in my world of insanity. That's like the tiniest

528
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:54,759
piece of this fucking machine.

529
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: Well least, and at least you're in Vegas where you

530
00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:59,559
probably got a tailor that's ready to ready to roll

531
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:02,359
in and gets what you're going gets what you're going for.

532
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're lucky, like we as the band gets

533
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,200
bigger too, like people are excited to work with us,

534
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,400
and like, I just know a lot of people too

535
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,119
that people I respect that. You know, the street goes

536
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,839
both ways, where what seems like a crazy idea, there's

537
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,680
always somebody that's like, you know, you get stoked off

538
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,680
of somebody else getting stoked, you know what I mean,

539
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,599
So it makes it easy in that regard.

540
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think too, Like one thing I really like

541
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,480
about your band, and and this is you kind of

542
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:38,440
you didn't say it, but you said it without saying it,

543
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720
is that you guys can kind of tour with anybody

544
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,160
in the in the in the in the in these

545
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,599
genres of music. Likely is that you're you're out with Testament,

546
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,400
you're out with Terror, you're out with you know whoever,

547
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,160
a caracus like, like you can go out with like

548
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,160
hardcore bands, you can go out with metal bands. You

549
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,000
go out thrash bands, death metal bands, you know anything,

550
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,759
what's it been like? You know? And I know you

551
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:02,960
guys are more established, but like, so this is kind

552
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,720
of just where I'm going with this. Is like I

553
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,359
remember one time one of my friends saw you guys upstate,

554
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880
New York. He's like, he's like, bro that he's like

555
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:12,480
because I had told him about you guys, and he's like, yeah,

556
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,839
I'm going to see him. He goes, Bro, it was

557
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,559
fucking crazy because it's a death metal show and he goes,

558
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,680
These guys come out and like sequin cowboy outfits and

559
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:24,440
just fucking destroyed, destroyed the place, like and so like

560
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,240
I know things. You know, it's different times, and you

561
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,119
know it's not like playing in like the mid eighties

562
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,599
where people were a little more wild and whatever. But like,

563
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,200
what's been the reception for you guys, like through the years.

564
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,920
And I know it's probably different now, but like when

565
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,720
you first, guys, when you first started playing, you're coming out,

566
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,599
you know, dressed dressed to the hilt, but like just

567
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,880
just fucking throwing down like fucking heavy, heavy shit, Like

568
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,279
was it did people like were people like stoked or

569
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:50,880
like people like what the fuck's going on?

570
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's both, man, Like you get in the States,

571
00:29:54,319 --> 00:30:00,400
it's a lot more received, easier, quicker. I should say

572
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:05,559
then like through Europe. But it's one of those things

573
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:09,279
where heavy metal has such a history of people doing

574
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,160
you know, costume theatrical things. So on one hand, people

575
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,599
are like, okay, like they're not wearing masks, they're not

576
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,839
a mask band, but there's some sort of thing. Yeah,

577
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,640
and if they have no idea about the because I

578
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,559
haven't gotten it to the point where I can fill

579
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,839
up the room where we have like stage design and

580
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,000
we have like like I want to get it to

581
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:32,880
the point like when you go see a Mono Marth,

582
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,559
you're like you're teleported into you know, some kind of

583
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,279
Norse mythology and there's like this whole stage show, and

584
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,839
I want to do like a horror Western version, like

585
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,400
I don't know if you saw like Alice Cooper and

586
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:49,079
Rob Zombie when they did their tour, like any number

587
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,440
of bands that like really put a lot into the shit.

588
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,559
You know, I want to go kiss style. But when

589
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:57,480
you're doing that and you're a small band from day one,

590
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:01,359
you don't have the luxury of like there's only so

591
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,880
much you can do when you're backlining, and motherfuckers refuse

592
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,440
to strike drums, so you've got like three drum kits

593
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,240
on stage, everything's backlined, and you have like we've played

594
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:14,400
shows with these big metal bands where like I'm just

595
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,440
straddling wedges like there's a mic standing it's like you

596
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,599
can't even move, so you can't even like move around

597
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,799
on stage, so you're just standing there in a suit.

598
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,920
And if somebody walks in to see a death metal

599
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,559
band and you know, they don't get it, like the

600
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,000
riffs went them over, Like we have such a relentless,

601
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:37,039
like live show that we get that a lot where

602
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,240
people are just like I don't get whatever this is,

603
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:44,400
but you guys fucking rip. And then like when Agnostic

604
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,039
Front took us over to Europe, that was pretty early,

605
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:50,599
that was before death Western it even come out right,

606
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,279
So it was like an older skinhead hardcore crowd that

607
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,880
just wanted to hate us, like legit just wanted a

608
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,640
reason to just be like this band fucking sucks. And

609
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,359
I'm sure some of those old skins don't like heavy

610
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:11,319
shit anyways. Yeah, But like with AF, they have such

611
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,039
hard stuff in their catalog, like the Eliminator and shit,

612
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,519
it's like r riffs and like the lineage of stuff

613
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:22,839
I pull from, like people hear the chromags and they

614
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:28,200
hear you know, Obituary and Slayer and Integrity and Ringworm,

615
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,759
like people that follow this underground shit, like when they

616
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,880
hear us live, they hear all these influences and they're like,

617
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,480
god damn. Like, so I think it's been easy just

618
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,519
because the the songs themselves. Just if you like heavy music,

619
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:48,680
he probably will enjoy the shit out of a Spirit

620
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,440
World show, you know.

621
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I mean and and I guess that

622
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,279
was really that's a really good way to explain the

623
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,559
music to. Like, those songs are like relentless, and I

624
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,279
just riff after riff after riff, and sometimes you don't

625
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:01,960
even hear the same riff twice in a song, and

626
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,599
it's just like keeps going and changing. But everything's just

627
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,880
like it plays off each other.

628
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: Like I came up and I still do. Like I

629
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,519
just came up in the era where it's like my

630
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,920
older brothers are listening to like thrash and like the

631
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,160
first wave of death metal, and it's like the those

632
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,079
songs and the aggression and the rawness and like what

633
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,400
they were doing the speed was so mind blowing.

634
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: But I was.

635
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Younger than all of them, so when I came up

636
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,759
I'm like, well, yeah, it's tight, but the motherfucker don't

637
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:38,559
hit the groove. And then I'm listening to like Obituary, Pantera,

638
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,599
Hate Breed and like more of the stuff that like

639
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,200
we're hardcore infused, like the just that mid tempo crush,

640
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,160
and so I just kind of combined all my favorite

641
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,440
grooves from everything. So a lot of times then when

642
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,880
I'm writing songs, like I'll do a fast part and

643
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,000
then I'll write like the sickest fast like Crow Maggie

644
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,599
thing that maybe on their record they would just do

645
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,319
that for three minutes and that would be the cool

646
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,799
part of the song, And for me, that's a like

647
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:11,039
an eighteen second blast of coolness just to speed it

648
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,960
up so I could break it down into like a

649
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,760
two step that I want, you know, And people just

650
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,400
feel that when we play live because it's nowadays two

651
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,239
like with everybody being down tuned, everybody is so fucking

652
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,719
heavy and they all do the same kind of shit

653
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:28,320
like just like everything.

654
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:28,519
Speaker 3: You know.

655
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: It's like we play with so many bands that do

656
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:34,880
like the they're downtuned, super heavy and they chug, but

657
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,960
it doesn't have a great riff and they're doing like

658
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,000
the scrapes and shit and it's hard for like hard

659
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,400
as that stuff gets, but they don't they don't do

660
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,639
the riffs that like when I hear a record and

661
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,079
I hear like a great like Hanneman riff or like

662
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,880
Gary Holt or somebody, like, there's certain riffs like where

663
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,480
it's the technicality and they're doing roles and doing shit

664
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,920
where it's like damn, like where it's hasty, you know,

665
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,760
where it's got like a sick rhythm. I don't think

666
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,400
there's a lot of that, not as much of that

667
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,599
as when I was younger and you could go see like,

668
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,280
you know, bands NonStop that had killer fucking riffs like that. Nowadays,

669
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,320
I feel like that's kind of you know, as things change,

670
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,440
you know, it's just kind of I think we stand

671
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,280
out that way too. A lot of people here like

672
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,199
the throwback shit that we do, and to me, it's

673
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,119
like some of that stuff I've just grown up with,

674
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:31,960
So it doesn't seem like we're doing anything new. But

675
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:33,880
I think to a lot of people, they haven't seen

676
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,639
a lot of bands where, you know, they focus on

677
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,320
that type of riffing, you.

678
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,599
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, and then and then you got the stage

679
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:46,039
presence the costumes that really make it stand out, like

680
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:47,920
you know what I mean? Because yeah, because even if

681
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,960
people didn't know your name, they're like, who the fuck

682
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,679
with those cowboy dudes? Like you know what I mean,

683
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,480
Like it stands out because you don't don't you don't

684
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:57,360
look the normal thing. Like if you guys are playing

685
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,960
a festival in Europe, motherfuckers were like, who the fuck

686
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,920
with eight? You know what I mean? I'm sure yeah.

687
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,639
Speaker 2: And like art, I always spend the money like it's

688
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,039
it costs a fortune, but like you know, I take

689
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,880
this awesome artwork that you know, I get made up

690
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,480
for these records and when you print that shit and

691
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:19,480
it's like twenty five feet by fucking twenty behind you.

692
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,679
And even before the band walks out, then we always

693
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,920
play Eddie Arnold is our walkout music, and it's just

694
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,679
like an old country song and from the jump, people

695
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,000
are just like the artwork is so impressive and like

696
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,719
unique that I think that too is a big factor,

697
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,000
like the suits and the artwork of the banners. And

698
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:42,239
we play these big ass theaters with these bands where

699
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,239
you can really like drop a huge banner, and before

700
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,360
we even come out, people I think want to like

701
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,039
they just people like artwork, you know, they like bands

702
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,880
that have cool artwork, and they look at the banner

703
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,559
and they're like, that's sick. And then if the band

704
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,920
even gives them a reason to sort of like him,

705
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,079
I think it's like an easy when you know.

706
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you mentioned graphic novel. Is it gonna be

707
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,920
done in that kind of same style of artwork or

708
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,800
is it going to be more traditional comic or like

709
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,960
or you know, like what do you what do you?

710
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,400
What are your visions on that?

711
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,199
Speaker 2: Like the interior, I'm gonna do like a black and

712
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,280
white Like I'm a comic book dork, so like I

713
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,119
grew up on that stuff, So I'm gonna do like

714
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:29,519
a it'll be black and white inside. And then I

715
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,159
mean the covers I haven't got that far, but I

716
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,719
mean they may you know, be full color and ship

717
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,000
like that. But yeah, it'll just be I because I

718
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,519
want to, you know, eventually, like I want to get

719
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,920
this out and like do like some film stuff with

720
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:51,320
this world. But I think the story lends itself pretty

721
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,400
well to like the graphic novel medium, where it'll be

722
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,199
cool to like kind of storyboard out some of these

723
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,199
shots for a film and really have something where I

724
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,360
can show people what this is, you know, because it's

725
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,039
hard with the records you have these really sick covers yep,

726
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,719
and like with our music videos, we don't have enough

727
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,199
of a budget for me to really be meticulous and

728
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,320
like write it and make sure it's in line. So

729
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,599
that stuff has kind of been handed off to some

730
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,039
friends of mine and they sort of do their own

731
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,079
take on things. So it's like horror Western, but it's

732
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,400
not like the story that's actually happening in these records,

733
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,039
in these books, and so it's I just want to

734
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:36,559
get the actually get this world and this lore out

735
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:40,920
there where people can see the read it, see it,

736
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,760
you know, show the whole arc of this.

737
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, And you know it's again it's a thing

738
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:48,239
that goes hand in hand with the music with the books.

739
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,199
Are you drawing? Like do you draw? Or is it

740
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,039
like do you have someone you're working with someone on

741
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,400
the on that are you storyboarding it out and have

742
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:55,880
someone to do that?

743
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll do all the script writing and write

744
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,360
it all out and then there'll be an artist that

745
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,519
draws it all cool.

746
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: Cool, you mentioned film. I'd be remiss to ask did

747
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,960
did you see the Danzig horror Weston.

748
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, opens with that great shot of that bitch naked

749
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,320
on the horse. Yeah, where they end up in like

750
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,800
the horrorhouse or whatever.

751
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I was laughing though, because it's just funny,

752
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,840
because like that shot is great, But then it goes

753
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,639
on for like eight minutes and it's like, right, Broke,

754
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,280
we don't we don't, like we don't see it in

755
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,119
real time.

756
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 6: Just like Yeah, there was a couple of things he

757
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,280
did in that where like all of a sudden, it's

758
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,599
like we're just start zooming in and then just start

759
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:48,000
getting tighter and tighter and like just randomly, you know,

760
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,199
suck in on somebody.

761
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,119
Speaker 2: They did. Uh, they did like a whatever, like a

762
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,119
not a grand opening, but whatever. It is like when

763
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,000
a thing first comes out out right.

764
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 7: Around premiere or something, maybe it's around Psychofest or something

765
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,280
down here that I was a premier and they for

766
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,119
like a couple of nights down here at a theater

767
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,159
they showed it, so me and my girl went and

768
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,960
got to see it like in the theater, and yeah,

769
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:16,440
I mean.

770
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,119
Speaker 2: I love the horror, I love Danzig, but for like

771
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:23,079
the budget they had, I'm just like, damn, bro like

772
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,360
let's go.

773
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,079
Speaker 3: I'm like, and that's that's That's kind of how I

774
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,039
was left with it. I was like I really was like, Oh,

775
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:32,119
this is gonna be fucking awesome. And then I was like,

776
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,400
I'm like, dude, Danzig is such a horror guy. I'm like, bro,

777
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,920
I'm like it felt felt a little rush or something,

778
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,880
you know, but that's whatever.

779
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, you know, like I love shit like

780
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,159
that because you know there's people that watch something and

781
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,440
they're like, you can go negative and like talk shit,

782
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:52,599
but I'm always the other way where I like see

783
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,880
something like that and I'm just like so inspired because

784
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,840
I'm like, all you need is a little elbow grease

785
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,840
and little style and like that could have fucking ruled,

786
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:05,440
Like that could have been great. And even like when

787
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,039
I write records, like that's the same way I look

788
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:11,639
at bands, like I'm not a great musician. Like people

789
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,119
will tell me like, oh, you're a fucking sick ass

790
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,679
riff writer. And every once in a while, like I'll

791
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:20,199
have like some guy on the road like fanning out

792
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,880
and they do it to the guitar players because I

793
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,440
don't play guitar live, Like they'll go up the Matt

794
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,719
or like Randy or somebody will be going off about

795
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,400
how they love the records and like what sick fucking shit,

796
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,199
But like I don't feel that way because I'm like

797
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,760
not guitar guy, but by the same token, like I

798
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,079
watch a film like that, or even Danziggs he had

799
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,400
this comic book line in the nineties, Verotic Ye that

800
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:48,239
like had all this shit were like doing like I

801
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,159
don't know, Jaguar God and like Simon Bisley was doing

802
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:54,960
the artwork and like Death Dealer with these Frizetta covers

803
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,119
and like all this sick shit were like I don't know,

804
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,639
Like between that guy's bands and everything he does, I'm

805
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,800
just like, fuck, yeah, he's a man, dude.

806
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's put out a body of work

807
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,480
for sure. You mentioned being into comics and yeah, I

808
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,000
know you're in the horror and stuff. Do you were

809
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:14,719
you were you like a horror comic guy, like because

810
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,199
I was just it made me think about I remember

811
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,199
a bunch I used to have like Faust and Death

812
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,119
Rattle and stuff like that and gor Street.

813
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remembers was a ship like like that

814
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,840
was I was a little younger, but like he.

815
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: Too, I remember, like I shouldn't even had those things.

816
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Act to the Damned, it was so fucking

817
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,480
ahead of its time and crazy, like my brother Neck

818
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:41,519
had all those and like, uh yeah, like I love that.

819
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,840
I really dug Like there was some of the Rebels

820
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:53,360
studio stuff like Gunfighters in Hell and like a lot

821
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,039
of indie stuff around that time period is really what

822
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:59,679
made a huge impact on me. Like poison Ols they

823
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,119
Drew Hayes did, and he was like kind of a

824
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:05,760
psychobility like punk dude that self released his own book

825
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:09,039
and it was kind of like the original pressings were

826
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,039
like kind of like the old Savage Sword of Conan

827
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:16,239
where they're like magazine size, you know, not like your

828
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:22,440
typical monthly issues. And then he got picked up by

829
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,199
like Serious and like it got bigger, but he like

830
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,480
died really early, and they're actually I think they're on

831
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,480
the second one, but they're collecting everything that he did now,

832
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:34,519
Like I don't know who it is. It's the same

833
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:39,679
company Serious SI R I U S. I think it

834
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,119
is is the comic book publisher, but putting together these

835
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:47,519
like crazy fucking hardcover editions of like like an omnibus

836
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,719
of like all the poison Ols Eye loosifer stuff. That's anyways,

837
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,960
I'm just rambling because I want to buy one of those,

838
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,599
but I'm like, fuck, I already bought them all when

839
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,760
they came out, Fucking like, I'm not spending three hundred

840
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,000
bucks already.

841
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 7: Have you know?

842
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,039
Speaker 3: Do you still have all your stuff or did you?

843
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:08,800
Did you lose it to get rid of it down

844
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,239
the along the wise.

845
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,159
Speaker 2: A lot of the comic stuff I gave to my

846
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,039
brother and he's like got it on his shelf at

847
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:18,880
his house. As with records, where I like, I've collected

848
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,920
this ship my whole life, but there was a big

849
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,800
time period where I didn't have any place to put it.

850
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,320
I'm touring in fulesome, I'm broke going, you know, like

851
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,159
all these things where it's like I wish I had

852
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:36,079
all the records, but unfortunately, like so many of like

853
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:41,360
my core LPs and seven inches, like give them to people,

854
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,360
And I never really sold shit off like that, you know,

855
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:48,000
like is a collection, but it was always like giving

856
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:50,599
it to some kid where it's like here, bro, take

857
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:54,719
all these old fucking Revelation records and all this six shit,

858
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,000
all this victory shit that I had through the years,

859
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:00,760
and now I'm like you've done. Motherfuckers should have just

860
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,760
kept it and packed it around in boxes for no.

861
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: But you did the right thing, man, because, like you know,

862
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,639
we all had the people that were older than us

863
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,199
that like put us on, you know what I mean.

864
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,840
I remember I remember being a kid and this kid,

865
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,400
Steve Mercer, who I haven't seen probably in thirty years,

866
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,519
but I remember him giving me like the negative approach

867
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:18,960
seven inch and like the seven second skill of brains

868
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,960
and guts, and I was like, damn, you know, like

869
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,760
you gotta you gotta pass it on to the kid,

870
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,360
the next kid, you know, keep the keep the torch going.

871
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: Same thing with merch, like being round so long, Like

872
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,920
I've gone through my closet and just like purged, Yeah

873
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,920
all of my band merch that maybe it shrunk up

874
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,239
a little bit or whatever. You know, Yeah, yeah, you

875
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,679
just fucking purge. And like I've thought about that too.

876
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,440
I'm like, damn, I had some hitters. I wish I

877
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,960
had all that cotton, you know what I mean.

878
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: I know who would have thought to man that sometimes

879
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,679
these old, old old shirts are worth more than records, man,

880
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,000
Like you know, like people.

881
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,519
Speaker 2: I don't understand that, Like I fucking I've seen some things,

882
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:01,440
like people have like just linked me shit, and sometimes

883
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:04,800
it's bands. I like, like, I mean that Humanity is

884
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,079
a double shirt you got and I'm sick. But like

885
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,280
people like send me shit where I'm like, dude, I

886
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,320
can't handle this. Like this shit was on Victory mail order.

887
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,519
Shit like wasn't even limited. It was just printed over

888
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,079
and over and over. And some motherfucker's paying three hundred

889
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:25,519
dollars for some busted down, fucking like strife hoodie.

890
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, get wild, get it. I know. But my

891
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,599
friend Chris uh. I don't know if you know Chris Casally,

892
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:35,800
but he's kind he's kind of I feel like he's

893
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,880
partly responsible for all that because he was doing years ago.

894
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,039
He was doing uh I forgot the name of the company,

895
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:46,280
but he was so into it. He was I think

896
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,599
he did like some represses and stuff. He was like

897
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,599
tracking bands down and buying the old screens from them

898
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:53,440
and stuff, so he has like the screens for a

899
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,239
lot of these shirts and craziness. Like I'm like, damn, dude,

900
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,440
yeah wow. He was super in and he had like

901
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,440
a whole archive, like a hardcore T shirt archive and

902
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,159
a website for all that stuff, man, but it's wild.

903
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,119
I feel like I do got to bust into my

904
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,079
father's house. I don't have to bust in We're good,

905
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,760
but I just got to get up in his attic.

906
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,719
I know. I have a bag of old like mid

907
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,360
to late eighties like you know, like the like original

908
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,719
like war Zone shirts and shit like that that I

909
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,239
could probably like pay my mortgage for for a couple

910
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,559
of months.

911
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, My like my older brothers had all the

912
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:35,159
sick like Biohazard, fucking Slayer, Sepulta, like all the shit

913
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,480
that would have been popping, like late eighties, early nineties punk,

914
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:43,280
hardcore metal, death metal, thrash. Like We've had all that

915
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,000
shit through the years, and I'm like, man, and any

916
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:48,920
of us knew we could have just kept all of

917
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,000
our merch shit. Somebody could have bought a house.

918
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially if back then you just bought

919
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,480
two and put one away.

920
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,119
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Like the toy collecting shit, you know, yeah,

921
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,199
like any collecting. I've never been able to do it

922
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:04,360
because anything I bought I just used, you want to

923
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,480
use whatever. But yeah, man, same ship where it's like

924
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:12,480
all the g I Joe's and the Transformers and all

925
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,079
that crazy shit. It's like, well, if you would have

926
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,239
kept it in the package, man, you could have bought

927
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,039
yourself a car.

928
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 3: I had Recappo on the show and he was breaking

929
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,639
down like the little fucking deal that they had, like

930
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,440
when they would be like, yo, trade us up old

931
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,920
g I Joe stuff and we'll send you like rare records,

932
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,960
like a rare Revelation record. And he's like, bro, we

933
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:35,519
just wanted all that shit, and like we didn't have

934
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,320
money for it, so we're like, we can make a

935
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,440
couple of records on gold vinyl. And you know, it

936
00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:41,880
was like such a Ponzi scheme.

937
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,039
Speaker 2: Bro.

938
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,679
Speaker 3: He was like, you were getting like these these these

939
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,920
action figures that were worth like hundreds of bucks, and

940
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,079
you like were spending two bucks on a seven inch

941
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:52,079
and sending it to some kid. But you know, no,

942
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,199
you know those seven inches are worth a ton of

943
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:55,840
money now too, so if you if you held on

944
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,960
to that, you know, even back then they were worth money.

945
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,559
But it's like, yeah, that's the thing with and it's

946
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,440
all in the eye of you know, the value is

947
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,000
all all subjective.

948
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, I trade test presses too, like

949
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,039
Spirit World stuff and like but usually I do it

950
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,719
with like like my close circle of friends, and it's

951
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,239
always like first edition books and like it's kind of

952
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,719
like their favorite whatever, the most impactful, favorite fucking book

953
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,639
they have. And so I've got like I've got this

954
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,400
collection through the years of shit like that my homies

955
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,679
have sent me where they like write a note and

956
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,360
it's like it's cool, man.

957
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: Oh oh, so there's like a personalized note in it

958
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:37,400
as well.

959
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's a personal gift, like here's my favorite book,

960
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,280
like and whatever, like personal thing. And then and I

961
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,480
do it too, you know, like sending shit out. But

962
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:52,840
it's like the test presses, it's you know, it's like

963
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,800
the label fucking the plant will do like thirty yeah,

964
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,320
and Century Media. I don't know why, Like they never

965
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,199
printed merch for Spirit World. They didn't give a shit

966
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,320
about test presses. So I'm like, give me all of

967
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,880
them and then I'd sell some on our web store

968
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,800
and then trade some other ones, and you know, like

969
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,480
the collecting part of it. But they literally cost like

970
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:19,400
a dollar two dollars. But the rarity and being able

971
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,199
to for my homies that collect and I'm lucky that

972
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,719
so many people fuck with my band that like the

973
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,159
collecting of all of our variants is so crazy. Like

974
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,760
I gave up and I have the easiest time getting

975
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,079
it because I get frustrated because I may have to

976
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:39,480
like figure out what colors have happened, but I don't

977
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:41,599
have to like go buy it. I just have to

978
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,760
like say, send me a couple of these and even that,

979
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,639
like on this last record, I just like I tapped out.

980
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,440
There was a couple like different versions in Europe and

981
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,159
shit where people are hitting me up and they're like, dude,

982
00:50:55,559 --> 00:51:01,039
where's this fucking whatever color. I'm like, what I came up.

983
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,480
I'm not collecting my own band anymore. Yeah, like it's

984
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,039
too much, too much. When I was collecting it early,

985
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:10,119
I didn't realize how many copies of my own shit

986
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,920
I'm going to have. And I just like I don't

987
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,039
listen to Spare World. I just make the stuff like

988
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:19,039
I can't listen to stuff anymore, of course, So it

989
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:23,880
really is just like, you know, a couple of each one,

990
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,440
and I have like fucking sixty copies of fucking these

991
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,880
first couple albums. I'm like, this is really.

992
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what So it's probably you know, I

993
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:38,039
probably you know I'm not going to assume, but I'm sure.

994
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:40,000
I'm sure it's probably through your older brothers and stuff

995
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,000
like how did you even find yourself? You know, like

996
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,519
and when did you get into like first stock, getting

997
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:47,800
into like heavy music and stuff like, what was the

998
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,480
trajectory that led you from being a kid to spirit world?

999
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,199
Speaker 2: There was I didn't really get a ramp up because

1000
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,480
like my parents they had I have a twin brother,

1001
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,960
but they had six boys, right, and so me and

1002
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,320
my twin were like not an accident, but like my

1003
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,920
parents like had their like I mean, I don't know,

1004
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,360
maybe like nineteen started having kids and then they had

1005
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,159
their four kids by the time they were like I

1006
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,400
don't know, twenty eight or whatever, and then waited like

1007
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,119
another ten years or whatever and then had us. So

1008
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,280
like all of my like my oldest brother was like

1009
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,679
I mean, I don't know, like by the time I

1010
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,519
was like six or seven, he was like in his

1011
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:38,199
mid twenties, you know, like twenty years older. And so

1012
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:43,599
like at the house because everybody in my family grew

1013
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:47,199
up like my mom grew up on a ranch. All

1014
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,079
my cousins and shit like just hill billy just he'll

1015
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,199
billy kids. You know, so it's like a lot of rodeos.

1016
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:57,840
So it's either country music like old shit like old

1017
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,920
honky Tonk and Outlast, and I mean my mom like

1018
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:08,079
George Strait and like Randy Travis and Dwight Yoakum, so

1019
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:10,440
I mean she there was definitely like stuff that was

1020
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:14,400
like on the radio played in the house, but most

1021
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,360
of it was like kind of curated and dj' by

1022
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,239
either like because my mom and my dad like they

1023
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,800
love Merle Haggard and George Jones or Johnny Horton and

1024
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,639
Johnny Cash, but they don't listen to I mean, I

1025
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:33,559
don't know even what would have been going on in

1026
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:36,360
the eighties and nineties, but like whatever like pop country

1027
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,119
was like they didn't fuck with that. So it'd be

1028
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:41,840
like you're listening to their favorite tapes and then when

1029
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,960
that wasn't on, if one of the kids had it,

1030
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:50,159
I mean it was like Slayer, Metallica, Motley Crue, fucking

1031
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:54,599
Social Distortion, misfits. So like, as I'm in the house

1032
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:59,800
and doing things and start to realize that I like music, naturally,

1033
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,519
those are the things that are being repped and like

1034
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:06,719
jammed the hardest, and so I kind of I think

1035
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:15,119
like White Zombie Slayer, Metallica for sure were things that

1036
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:17,079
like really stood out to me that I just like

1037
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,679
copped the tape and this shit was just so hard,

1038
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,239
so cool, like something about it I just loved, you know.

1039
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:34,440
And then on the punk side, I guess Seven Seconds

1040
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:37,199
the Crew, I mean, that's a hardcore band. But to me,

1041
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,159
like I didn't understand what hardcore was until like probably

1042
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:43,760
ten years after I started listening to like punk music,

1043
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,599
just because I never saw, like, never ran in anybody

1044
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:51,159
until I was like, you know, probably getting into high

1045
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:53,880
school because I just listened all this shit because it

1046
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,440
was just at the house. I didn't know it was

1047
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,159
like different until I start getting to like fifth sixth

1048
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:02,199
grade and I'm like, huh, kids in a Mega Death

1049
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,039
shirt who I'd never really got into Mega Death. I

1050
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:08,760
just couldn't handle the like the singing thing, you know, dude.

1051
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm so on board with that. Everyone I know

1052
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:15,559
loves Mega Death and I'm like saying, I was like,

1053
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:18,039
I never never liked the vocals. I couldn't do it.

1054
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've learned to never say never, like as

1055
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:24,760
I've come up in art, because there's definitely things that

1056
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:27,559
I wasn't ready for at the time that then I

1057
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,960
love it, yeah, and I'm still waiting for my Mega

1058
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:36,599
Death era yeah me and like current States do, I'm

1059
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:40,199
still like it is what it is. But like then,

1060
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,800
that's when I started noticing. It was more like like

1061
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,159
a lot of grunge and like new metal shit started

1062
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:50,119
popping when I was, you know, getting into high school,

1063
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:55,440
and like I remember like somebody had seen Corn, you know,

1064
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:59,679
like on that first record, and I mean, it's good shit,

1065
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,519
you know what I mean. Like I I like Corn,

1066
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,119
but like the whole thing, like new metal and the

1067
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,960
rappie metal shit, I wasn't into. I was really into

1068
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,159
like punk bands and shit. And I want to say

1069
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:18,159
it was like I definitely saw Sick of It All

1070
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:23,960
in like ninety six or ninety seven, and I had

1071
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,079
not heard them, I don't think, I'm pretty sure not.

1072
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:33,519
And I remember thinking like the energy and whatever would

1073
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:35,360
have been on that set list at that time where

1074
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,760
it was like, you know, scratch the Surface Built the

1075
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,199
last they were touring off of. But then also they're

1076
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,400
playing you know, all that old shit like that. I

1077
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,320
seen them like three times in the span of like

1078
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,119
ten months. It was like a Warped tour set, and

1079
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:56,199
I was like, Wow, that band is incredible, went and

1080
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,400
got like maybe it's built the last had come out

1081
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,239
or something, because I remember getting that record and then

1082
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,960
like one of the I was living in Idaho at

1083
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,159
the time, and there was only a handful of punks

1084
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:09,920
and there was a kid that was like, oh yeah,

1085
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,360
Sick with it All was fucking great and gave me

1086
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,639
maybe just look around or something. So then the next

1087
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,519
time I seen him, i'd heard like I had two

1088
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,039
albums that I was aware of, and they did this

1089
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,760
tour where it was like I think it was a

1090
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,280
misfit with Michael Graves singing. They were doing some kind

1091
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,320
of twenty year anniversary thing, and I drove up to

1092
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,440
Boise and I mean, I kind of forget all this

1093
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,360
shit because I'm old, but like I think, I'm pretty

1094
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,719
sure Sick of it All played and then I seen

1095
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,639
him at like another club show in that same time period,

1096
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,800
and each show was like the first two were not

1097
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,159
like a Sick of it All crowd, you know what

1098
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:55,239
I mean. It was just like they were there and

1099
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,320
just their intensity and like Pete and Lou going the

1100
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,039
fuck off. I was just like, God, they smoke. Every

1101
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:06,159
band that literally every single band I've seen live up

1102
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:09,039
to this point, I've never seen anybody like Hammer a

1103
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:13,239
stage with that much like style and shit. And then

1104
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,159
I seen them the third time and it was like

1105
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,000
a hardcore crowd and it was just like it was

1106
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:24,280
them in H two O and everybody's singing along, stage dives, whatever,

1107
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,159
and it was like Peak. I didn't know it at

1108
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:30,000
the time, but that was like for me, peak hardcore

1109
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:33,440
band with the songs with the kids at the right

1110
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,599
time where it's popping, and I didn't know how rare

1111
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:39,239
that was. Then to be in a room and see

1112
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,840
like the explosion of like each song swelling until like

1113
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,960
when the show's done, you're just like, holy shit, like

1114
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,559
everybody has had this release and it's just like this

1115
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:56,239
stage is just you can't tell everyone's singing. But like that,

1116
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,159
it was probably like sick of it all, trying to think,

1117
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:05,119
Like my older brother went and saw a bunch of shit,

1118
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,280
so it was like he saw like Biohazard and like

1119
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,079
maybe they were playing with like Slayer or some shit,

1120
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,719
but like all that, like it was all like New

1121
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,039
York bands like kind of that is what put it

1122
00:59:19,079 --> 00:59:22,760
on the map of like, oh, well, there's metal, thrash,

1123
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,719
death metal understand like that. For some reason that made

1124
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,679
sense to me that those were different scenes. But then

1125
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,159
like hardcore punk, when I finally realized that hardcore was

1126
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:35,599
its own thing, then like I was just going to

1127
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:40,480
all those shows everywhere like relentlessly, don't care who it is,

1128
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:44,519
and I mean, it was just an incredible time where

1129
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:48,320
it's like go see Snapcase, go see a veil, go

1130
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,280
see fucking hate Breed, death Threat. And at that time,

1131
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,880
like I was probably booking like shows too, like I

1132
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,920
started I had. I always had. It's like thing with

1133
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,760
not knowing how to do something but just being stupid

1134
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,760
enough to say fuck it, like booking shows where it's

1135
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,199
like being like sixteen seventeen and booking like Dropkick Murphy's

1136
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:19,840
and booking like shows that were big, like it had

1137
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,800
guarantees and shit, and like I don't even have a

1138
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,239
job and I was so poor, Like I mean, I

1139
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,079
would save like my two dollars lunch money to buy

1140
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,639
a record every two weeks like Legit for years that

1141
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:33,039
went on. But at the same time, I'm like lying

1142
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:35,599
and being like, yeah, we'll do a door deal. I

1143
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,559
don't even know what a door deal is, but I've

1144
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:42,360
been at this club. I'm pretty sure if I just

1145
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:46,519
do it, it'll be sick. And then you do it

1146
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,559
and it's sick. And then like I remember, like i'd

1147
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:53,519
seen bart Alive a bunch, like because I was working

1148
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:56,840
out of town and I booked them. I was in

1149
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,559
Idaho for some reason, them and Death Threat on tour

1150
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:03,920
and when like Vogel and all them dudes showed up.

1151
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,000
Maybe this was like ninety eight, ninety nine something like that,

1152
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:08,639
I don't know, it was a long time ago, but

1153
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,559
I remember when they rolled up and like it was

1154
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:17,440
before like GPS shit, and there was in poke Tello, Idaho.

1155
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:20,000
There was a music store and some friends of mine

1156
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:22,760
lived upstairs and it's kind of a squat punk house

1157
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,039
and so we do shows and shit up there, and

1158
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:29,079
like when all them dudes rolled up, they were like late,

1159
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,679
like what the fuck. They're like looking for the place

1160
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:35,000
because it wasn't an actual address. It was like nine

1161
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:38,639
twenty four and a half, but the half was because

1162
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:41,679
it was upstairs, but it was like maybe at South

1163
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:44,360
Main Street. I can't remember now, but so they were

1164
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,079
like on Main Street at the other end of this

1165
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:49,320
little town and Poke is a small town, you know,

1166
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,519
like maybe thirty thousand people at that time. So I

1167
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:55,760
remember when they got there they were like stressing out,

1168
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,320
and then Vogel recognized me and like my friend group

1169
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,880
and was like, oh, oh shit, like because we'd been

1170
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,280
up front like a bunch of like record stores and

1171
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,119
shit in Vegas and Seattle and all over, just like

1172
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:10,639
singing along to Bear It Live and pitting hard like

1173
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,960
that kind of vibe. And so they're like, oh, well,

1174
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,400
if you guys are doing the show, this is going

1175
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,840
to be sick. And I remember like that was a

1176
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,039
time too where hardcore is such a cool thing where

1177
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:23,400
it's like, yeah, maybe there was fifty kids at that show,

1178
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,320
you know, but the fifty kids that were there, like

1179
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,920
all of us had the death Threat record like it

1180
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,519
had been going around like fucking wildfire for like I

1181
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:38,760
don't know, I think you remember that only the Strong

1182
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,320
compilation all came out like they had a track on

1183
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,599
that that because I think like probably Mike Code or

1184
01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:51,039
somebody like however, it came out like there was something

1185
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:54,559
where like death Threat was our band, probably like everybody

1186
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,280
in hardcore at that time, and so like when they

1187
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:01,400
play I mean fifty kids, but fucking forty of them

1188
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,239
are singing along to every song of fucking peace and security.

1189
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,880
So it's like, here, take all the money from the show.

1190
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,480
All of us fucking bought a ton of merch, Like.

1191
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, supported, yeah, we like did where did? Where? Where

1192
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,039
did you grow up? Did you grow up in Idaho

1193
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:18,400
or were you just out there?

1194
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:19,599
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1195
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: I grew up in Vegas, so, like my whole family

1196
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:22,800
is in Vegas.

1197
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 3: And then.

1198
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: When I was at uh like junior high, like my

1199
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,360
parents were going through a tough time, and I have

1200
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,639
a bunch of family in Idaho, and so me and

1201
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:36,039
my twin brother, everybody else stayed down here, and like

1202
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:39,360
my dad had a business he was trying to keep going,

1203
01:03:39,639 --> 01:03:43,800
and so me and my mom and my brother and

1204
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,000
at different times one of my brothers like lived with

1205
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:49,760
this first spell, but basically we went up there, and

1206
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,119
like I had a bunch of cousins and my aunt

1207
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:55,199
shit was up there, and so I ended up in

1208
01:03:55,199 --> 01:04:00,639
Pocatello for like junior high into high school. But then

1209
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:03,000
we're always running back and forth to Vegas. So I

1210
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:05,880
kind of cut my teeth and the punk scene going

1211
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,840
to shows in because there were there were not shows

1212
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,280
in Pokey, Like we booked bands once, like we figured

1213
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,400
it out and so like I don't know, like friends

1214
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,800
of mine like book Blink one eighty two and before

1215
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,679
like Dude Ranch and shit, but like you know, we're

1216
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:25,960
like booking what we can and then like my crew

1217
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,159
of friends took it over and started booking. But basically

1218
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:33,800
we were relegated to like pulling gas money, driving to

1219
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,239
Salt Lake, going to hardcore shows they like the dev

1220
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,679
eight Basement and like all these venues because they would

1221
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:42,920
get a lot. At the time, like Salt Lake hardcore

1222
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:46,400
was pretty fucking big, so you could like I mean

1223
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,039
drive out there and see like Scarhead and mad Ball

1224
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:51,760
and like a lot of shit that we fucked with

1225
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,800
would play there. Not everything would go to Boise, but

1226
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,960
between the two, you know, you could drive a couple

1227
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,840
hours during the school and go out there and see

1228
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,000
a gig okay, and then come down to Vegas. And

1229
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:08,360
because my brother had been down here going to shows forever,

1230
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:13,840
like that was always cooler where like Vegas had I

1231
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,360
don't know, it's just cool, man, All those things were cool.

1232
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what's cool about I think hardcore is

1233
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,960
to like, you know, when we were kids, like like

1234
01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:25,599
it was a thing like anywhere, like like you know,

1235
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:28,840
I would go to shows in Boston, Providence, Connecticut, the

1236
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,920
Anthrax to New York. You know, like we all bounced around,

1237
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:34,800
especially back then before pre internet and stuff. Like you

1238
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,119
if you wanted to be involved, you had to be involved.

1239
01:05:37,199 --> 01:05:39,039
You had to be there. You couldn't just watch it.

1240
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: And you know, so many times like we drove the

1241
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,039
shows and then the show would get canceled or moved

1242
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:47,800
or fucking whatever. And like thinking about it now because

1243
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,320
there there was like a blizzard one time and we

1244
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,880
had we fucking manned up through the blizzard and like

1245
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,519
went it was like I fifteen fucking heading into Salt Lake,

1246
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:02,000
sketchy as fuck, almost die, I'd like, but we get downtown,

1247
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,519
get to the venue, and the show's fucking canceled. Like

1248
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,599
going to see face to face this punk band that

1249
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:10,559
I fucking love and for years we've been bumping face

1250
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:13,199
to face and I'd only got to see them play

1251
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,199
like a festival set at like Warped Tour or something.

1252
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:19,719
So this was like a headliner off their self titled record,

1253
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:22,360
and then you get to the show, drove like fucking

1254
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:25,559
three it should only take two hours, but it probably

1255
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:28,320
took three and a half because we're driving like thirty

1256
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,440
five forty snowblind. Yeah, and get out there and you're

1257
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,800
just like, what the fuck? Man? And this is before

1258
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,880
I had any idea of how bands like they were

1259
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,440
just these magical things that would appear in cities. I

1260
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,280
didn't know what booking agents. Even after I booked shows

1261
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,039
for years, I had no idea how shit like actually worked.

1262
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, but.

1263
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,599
Speaker 2: At the time, you didn't know. You'd see a flyer

1264
01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:54,320
and that's it.

1265
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 3: That's it.

1266
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:56,039
Speaker 2: You just go there.

1267
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 3: You didn't have cell phones to be like, hey, is

1268
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:58,639
it still going on?

1269
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,519
Speaker 2: You know, you just and traveling too, Like you don't

1270
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:04,119
even know people. Yeah, like you know a couple of

1271
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:06,360
people when you get to the show that you may recognize,

1272
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:10,000
but it's not like like here in this day and age,

1273
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,639
I feel like there's such a community of even with

1274
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,960
spirit World, where there's like these people that are just

1275
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,840
like this ecosystem around our Instagram and Facebook and shit,

1276
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,320
where like they talk to each other and there's like

1277
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,760
a community. And I'm like, I didn't get a cell

1278
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,559
phone to I was like fucking twenty five and like

1279
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:29,719
I was in a lot of ways, just like you

1280
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,960
just went to a place and the people you bumped

1281
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,039
into more often than not, like ended up becoming like

1282
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:38,320
your circle. You didn't get to pick.

1283
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, well because it wasn't there wasn't

1284
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:42,440
a lot to pick from. Like it was like you know,

1285
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,400
there was It wasn't like now like where there's like

1286
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:46,960
thousands and thousands of kids in the shit, which is cool,

1287
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:49,239
but it's different. But yeah, you made me think about

1288
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,880
when you said the snowstorm shit. Like I remember going

1289
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,599
to see shit Terror once and it was like a

1290
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:56,519
massive blizzard and like literally thirteen people were at the show,

1291
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:57,599
and I was like, but it was one of the

1292
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:59,719
best shows ever, you know what I mean. It was

1293
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,760
just like because everyone went off because it was like

1294
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,760
everyone was fuck dude, we all made it. Let's fucking go,

1295
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:05,599
you know what I mean.

1296
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,199
Speaker 2: And I've always held on to that, especially playing in

1297
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:14,320
bands where like coming from small scenes that are diy

1298
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:20,680
that the band is great. Everybody like the band is killer.

1299
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,119
It's no reflection on them. But it's a Tuesday night,

1300
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,560
your book a show, no one comes and it's like

1301
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,640
the local bands and maybe ten people and you're embarrassed

1302
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,800
as fuck, but there was you could just tell there

1303
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,439
were bands that could show up and they would look

1304
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,960
and see that the ten kids and put on the show.

1305
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,159
That love your fucking band. It's important to them that

1306
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:46,399
you're there. And then they play the show like they

1307
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:50,439
would with a hundred kids, and they don't give a fuck.

1308
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,960
Maybe in the band afterwards, you know, I'm sure there's

1309
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,800
some grumbling, but in that moment in front of the kids,

1310
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,720
it's a And like I always took away from that

1311
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,159
when I started booking shows and you start dealing with

1312
01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:05,520
people that are like more worried about the money aspect

1313
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,199
and just county about stuff. So like I've always kept

1314
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:11,840
that vibe because I've I was one of those kids.

1315
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,159
Like some of the best shows I've ever seen, or

1316
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:17,399
bands have played to what should have been a fucking

1317
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,159
catastrophic failure of their tour where they're probably getting paid

1318
01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:24,600
sixty fucking dollars and they had every right to just

1319
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:29,039
be fucking pissed and canceled the show. And like, those

1320
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:31,840
are some of the shows I remember fondly where I'm

1321
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,119
just like, looking back, I'm like, not only was that

1322
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:39,640
band the shit, but they were the shit when there

1323
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:44,439
was no nothing to be excited about it when.

1324
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 3: They didn't need to be, but they But that makes

1325
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,239
it even better, you know what I mean? Do that

1326
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:48,479
make it?

1327
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,039
Speaker 2: Yeah? And what's me Like I've always held my bands

1328
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:55,840
to that standard of like that it's important, Like if

1329
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,960
you're playing first and the room's not full, I don't

1330
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,680
give a fuck, like we're going on pay.

1331
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 3: Like your headlining, yeah, please look your headlining.

1332
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:06,079
Speaker 2: Yep, and go out to the merch table and be

1333
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:11,279
cool like so that that's something like thirteen kids I

1334
01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:15,039
remember seeing like turmoil, and maybe there was twenty five

1335
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:19,399
yea kids, but like the process of was so fucking

1336
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,600
hard and good that like it was a year before

1337
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,119
they came and I finally got to see them, and

1338
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,920
like that's one of the bands where I'm like, I mean,

1339
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,239
twenty kids. They could have been like fucking we'll play

1340
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:36,680
five songs stand here, hit the road, and we were

1341
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,000
like they ended up playing like the same song like

1342
01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:43,680
three times because kids were just going off so hard,

1343
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,239
fucking raging, and they're just like, well, we don't know anymore,

1344
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:50,479
but fucking whatever, here you go her six head bag

1345
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,600
for the third time, fucking while kids are like, you know,

1346
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:58,439
having fucking on shoulders, doing like whatever you call chicken fights,

1347
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,800
fucking yeah, and the stupidity. But like, I think that's

1348
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,640
what separates the punk and the hardcore thing is when

1349
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,560
you book shows and you play in bands and you

1350
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,720
go through that kind of stuff, there's such an appreciation

1351
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,600
for I don't know, just the the kids that show

1352
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:17,800
up that need it, you know what I.

1353
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 3: Mean absolutely, because yeah, especially back then, no one was

1354
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,479
there because they were well adjusted members of society, you

1355
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,359
know what I mean, Like we were everyone was in

1356
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:28,680
that room because some kids. Everyone went through some shit,

1357
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,159
right because it wasn't like it wasn't cool back then,

1358
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:32,840
It wasn't you know, it was like you had to

1359
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,000
seek it out, like you found your way there for

1360
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:35,479
a reason.

1361
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, Like the I feel like it's like

1362
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,680
that in Vegas with the new stuff, and it's hard

1363
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,720
for me to connect because I'm like, I also am

1364
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,039
not comfortable being like a fucking forty year old dude,

1365
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,119
Like I'm not going to go and hang out and

1366
01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:56,520
be tight with twenty year old fifteen year old Like

1367
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,640
I came up in that scene where that shit was

1368
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,680
very fucking sketch and looking back, I'm like, all you

1369
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:06,720
fucking scumbags they were like even twenty five thirty just

1370
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,439
like creeping on, Like that shit grossed me out then,

1371
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,560
like grosses me out now, and so like I can't

1372
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,880
really connect to the scene in that way anymore to

1373
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,720
truly be a part of it. But like the Vegas

1374
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,039
scene is wild, man, there's motherfuckers from the East Side,

1375
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:29,479
chicks dressing up like fucking clowns, goths like wild. Not

1376
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,479
the shows aren't wild, they're they're actually more civil than

1377
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,000
like it was in my day, you know, like the

1378
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:42,600
violent aspect of it maybe aggressive like unhinged, is tame down,

1379
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:47,239
but the actual freakiness of it of like people letting

1380
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:50,119
their freak flag out and being like, you know, that

1381
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:53,079
one off weirdo punk kid. It reminds me of like

1382
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,840
being an Idaho, where like a kid was not just

1383
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,000
a punk rocker because they liked the music. They were

1384
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:04,600
a fucking freak and with that, like they took a

1385
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,399
lot of shit, you know, like it wasn't the easiest

1386
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,439
thing to like in a town full of Mormons, And

1387
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,680
I was just gonna say that, assholes, I'm sure it was.

1388
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 3: It was hot for us in Boston and stuff, but

1389
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,800
I'm sure it was even hotter in like fucking Idaho, man,

1390
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:20,640
because you know, it was.

1391
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: Kind of like people fucking don't like that shit, like

1392
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:24,920
even if you try to fit in, people don't like,

1393
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,000
you know, fuck with you. And so like all my

1394
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:31,520
friends that were like kind of you know whatever, like

1395
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,520
on the borderline of like being gay, like standing up

1396
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,920
for chicks like what like that kind of weird shit

1397
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,960
like flying those flags back then when I was in school,

1398
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:45,439
was like it wasn't the easy thing to do, Like

1399
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,800
it took a bit of like I don't know, courage

1400
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,039
or like a bit of like moxie to even like

1401
01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:56,399
be that kind of a punk. So I see that

1402
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,800
same spirit here where I'm like that kind of freaky

1403
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,960
thing is like I fucked with that, and I'm glad

1404
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,680
that my band too, Like I see it when we

1405
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:11,520
play because we are like more we have some theatrical

1406
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,159
elements and whatever vibe we put off. Like when we

1407
01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:19,560
play shows, you know, we'll have like long hairs, a

1408
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,680
straight edge kid. We'll have some fucking like freaky looking

1409
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,960
goth that looks like a total witch right next to

1410
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,760
some fucking check all done up like a fifties cowgirl,

1411
01:14:31,239 --> 01:14:33,800
and so we're starting to like this cult following we have.

1412
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,319
Is it kind of looks like that, like it's a

1413
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:40,880
small BFW Hall punk show. But it's like it's not

1414
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:45,600
like this is a forty dollars ticket that I don't know,

1415
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,960
those shows don't they're usually not the freaks don't go

1416
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,640
out as much. So I'm happy to be a band

1417
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:56,039
that like the freaks come out too, because you know,

1418
01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:57,680
like I get it.

1419
01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:00,319
Speaker 3: I liked. What I liked about back in the day too,

1420
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:02,520
is that you know, there were shows like you know

1421
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,159
down the road, like hardcore shows just became hardcore shows.

1422
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,159
But the early days when I first started going to shows,

1423
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:08,640
they were a lot more mixed bills. So it would

1424
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,119
be like a metal band, a punk band, a hardcore band,

1425
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,359
and you know, the crowd was all all of all

1426
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:17,680
of that, you know, and so you know, it was

1427
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,039
more it was it was very interesting. One thing, you know,

1428
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,000
just uh, as you know, going you go into shows

1429
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,840
in Idaho and Boise, did you ever get to see

1430
01:15:26,039 --> 01:15:28,439
Septic Death because I know they were a Boise.

1431
01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 2: Band and that no, I didn't like it wasn't really

1432
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:38,560
anybody like, uh, it was more Salt Lake bands that

1433
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,479
were kind of like clear and like some bands that

1434
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,159
like were touring nationally and ship, But there wasn't really

1435
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:51,479
anybody that I saw from Vegas either really until like

1436
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:56,600
Curl Up and Die and Faded Grace started popping, but like, no,

1437
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,920
there there wasn't like really an established band that was

1438
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:02,960
like our own. It was all local bands that like

1439
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:07,479
looking back now, because everybody makes a record now, like

1440
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,640
most of the bands that were the most important thing

1441
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,199
to me maybe put out a demo tape or a

1442
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:18,640
fucking seven inch, but like never even got couldn't even

1443
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,880
figure it out to do an LP, which is crazy

1444
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,359
how much that's changed, you know.

1445
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, how did how did you go about

1446
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,199
starting Spirit World? Because I know, like you know, like

1447
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:31,840
I told you, I discovered you like just just heard

1448
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:36,000
pagan pagan rhythms, and then I did some you know,

1449
01:16:36,039 --> 01:16:37,880
I was like looking you guys up, and then I

1450
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,079
heard the old stuff on the demo, which was you know,

1451
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:43,359
markedly different, like like like how did you, like you know,

1452
01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:45,640
what was the impetus? Like what made you stop Spirit World?

1453
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,880
And then you know, I'd be remiss to ask like

1454
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,600
what happened in between like the demo and Pagan rhythms

1455
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,800
because of you know, yeah, the ball dropped, like and

1456
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,239
it got fucking you know, got massive, you know, like

1457
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,279
and I'm not saying the other stuff isn't good, it

1458
01:16:58,399 --> 01:17:00,359
just changed, like it just got like you know.

1459
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:04,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so like I was in a I had

1460
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:07,039
a band called Fulsome that we played in and so

1461
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,079
it's like a hardcore band, and like we did way

1462
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:14,760
more than we ever set out to do. Like we like,

1463
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,800
I just booked a ton of shows down here, and

1464
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:23,840
like I mean everybody from Integrity to Ringworm, fucking I

1465
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,439
don't even know, man, everybody full blown Chaos Terror, death

1466
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,920
Threat Champion. So like I'm booking all these shows, We're

1467
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,159
playing all these shows, We're going on tour. And then

1468
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:40,319
we started kind of like we did. We started doing

1469
01:17:40,359 --> 01:17:42,119
like a couple of US tours a year, and then

1470
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:44,039
we went to Europe a couple of times, and then

1471
01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:47,600
everybody it was kind of like time where it was

1472
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,359
like every band hits it where everybody we'd been on

1473
01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:54,239
the road for like two years straight and you're finally

1474
01:17:54,279 --> 01:18:00,239
getting like shit's popping, you know where, like like an

1475
01:18:00,279 --> 01:18:02,600
offer to go tour with Blood for blood in Europe,

1476
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,960
and like I was ready to go, but I was

1477
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,840
the only one like everybody else. It was like my

1478
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,880
twin brother just had a kid. My brother Nick that

1479
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,399
plays in Spirit World, was in Fulsome too, but he

1480
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:16,960
like he had had like he had three kids by them,

1481
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:18,920
and he had already stopped touring because he's like, I

1482
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,960
gotta work, like I can't fucking and we didn't. We

1483
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,399
didn't make any money at those like period. It was

1484
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,800
make enough to get to the next town, that's it.

1485
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,359
But like you know, I'm touring with like friends of

1486
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:34,079
mine that like play in Mongrel now and like still

1487
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:36,760
around doing cool bands, but like all of us were

1488
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,039
broken just doing it because we loved it, and so

1489
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,359
like that hung up. And then I had a period

1490
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:46,159
of you know, just like no band, no nothing, like

1491
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:50,119
got my career, got all my shit like handled. But

1492
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,239
that itch of like I was writing all the fulsome

1493
01:18:53,279 --> 01:19:00,439
stuff two but I just like I guess that void

1494
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,560
of creativity and art and I was burnt out on

1495
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,399
being involved in a scene as far as like where

1496
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:13,319
the it revolves around my energy or output and not

1497
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,279
just like the scene of like I'm booking shows at

1498
01:19:16,279 --> 01:19:18,640
my spot and like you removed me from that, and

1499
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,359
then there's a responsibility of like you kind of let

1500
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:25,800
the scene die a little bit. But there's also when

1501
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,920
you're in a band, like your friends bands need shows

1502
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,119
and so like you're trading shows and you're just like

1503
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,880
it's a lot. And so when I decided I was

1504
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:41,119
going to play some music, Matt had moved to Vegas,

1505
01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:45,520
and we wrote that demo and cut that. I think

1506
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,119
we did like seven or eight songs, went and recorded them,

1507
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:52,399
and like they trickled out. We did a demo then

1508
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,520
a couple songs, but we played a couple of shows

1509
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,880
and like the response was crazy and like tons of

1510
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,560
kids singing along, and I those demo songs, like I

1511
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:05,079
really fucked with it and wanted to do like a

1512
01:20:05,119 --> 01:20:07,279
full length, but I was like, what am I doing?

1513
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:12,319
Like if I do this and it's like a bar band,

1514
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,479
Like that demo stuff was like really rowdy, kind of

1515
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,680
like wild shit, and I'm like, my friends are all wild.

1516
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:25,119
Everybody's fucking thirty, like you know what I mean, at

1517
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:28,399
the age where like partying is no longer fucking a

1518
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,920
joke and the people that I'm running with are crazy

1519
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:36,640
and the ones that haven't like fucking lost their mind

1520
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,319
or got locked up. It's just one of those things

1521
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:42,560
where I was like I want to do a band,

1522
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,319
but I know I need to get my shit together,

1523
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,920
and like I had some personal stuff going on. I

1524
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,600
was like, I'm done fucking drinking. I've never been sober.

1525
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,880
I'm done with all this shit, the whole partying thing.

1526
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,159
I'm like, I do not want to be in a

1527
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:03,039
band where like it's like that where it's like night

1528
01:21:03,079 --> 01:21:06,880
life fucking craziness. And that's where that band started picked

1529
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,560
up right where Fulsome left off, which was always like

1530
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,720
a crazy, fucking insane thing, you know, fun and had

1531
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,119
its time. But so like the reason why everything shifted

1532
01:21:18,199 --> 01:21:20,439
is I sat down and I was like gonna do

1533
01:21:21,319 --> 01:21:23,199
I wanted to do a full length and do that band,

1534
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:27,800
but I was like, I'm gonna get sober. Like period

1535
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,560
had some personal shit going on. I was just like,

1536
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:36,359
it's like, for whatever reason, I don't moderate things well,

1537
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,039
like my girls always like you're so extreme even now

1538
01:21:40,079 --> 01:21:42,560
when like I'm laid back as fuck, but just like

1539
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,439
I just do things like it's eleven or it's fucking

1540
01:21:46,319 --> 01:21:49,680
I'm either in or I'm out. And so I sat

1541
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,319
down and I just realized I took like a kind

1542
01:21:53,359 --> 01:21:57,520
of a soul search and inventory of like what I'm doing,

1543
01:21:58,399 --> 01:22:01,720
who I'm doing it with, what it adds to my life,

1544
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,600
and like kind of set some goals, you know, Like

1545
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,399
I feel like I was just kind of like not happy,

1546
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,560
not miserable, but just like kind of it's hard to explain,

1547
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,560
but I just needed something. And so as I'm like

1548
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,960
getting sober, and I'm like, man, I'm going bowling a

1549
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:24,439
couple nights a week, but like, yeah, we fucking rip,

1550
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,119
like we all bowl throw fucking rocks. But am I

1551
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:31,199
really going because I like bowling? Or am I going

1552
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:35,000
because it's like walk in and get like a double

1553
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,960
and a beer a couple nights a week during the

1554
01:22:38,039 --> 01:22:41,079
work week, and like all those kind of things where

1555
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:44,199
I'm like realizing the monkey on my back, like these

1556
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:49,199
kind of tendencies that you pick up just like I

1557
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:53,239
don't want to be that. And so I realize like

1558
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:58,279
all of my social life shit, everybody revolves around like

1559
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,199
it's a little toxic, you know what I mean, Like

1560
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,039
when you start getting to that point and I'm like, huh, well,

1561
01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:08,359
I'm not going to shows because that triggers me like

1562
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,960
for fucking the last decade, everyone I kick it with,

1563
01:23:11,119 --> 01:23:13,399
like you show up, sit in the parking lot, everybody's

1564
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:17,079
getting fucking lit. You're at the bar whatever, don't want

1565
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,640
to go bowling. And so that I'm sitting here like

1566
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,000
trying to like figure out like what I want to do,

1567
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,439
and then I'm playing guitar and it starts out I'm

1568
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,399
playing like this country shit that's like fast, cowpunky stuff.

1569
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:37,399
That's great. But then I'm also like playing the songs

1570
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:42,319
that became pagan rhythms, and as I'm doing those, I'm like, man, fuck,

1571
01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:46,199
I love playing fucking metal. Like this shit rips, and

1572
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,640
I knew it ripped. That was the thing. I'm like,

1573
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:51,479
I didn't have demos, I didn't know how to record anything.

1574
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,199
But like I remember telling my brother, I'm like, dude,

1575
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:59,119
I'm making a fucking spiritual metal record and it fucking rips, bro,

1576
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:03,279
And then I just sat here and did that and

1577
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,399
put it out. So that first couple of years of

1578
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,960
like being sober, I mean, don't I don't know if

1579
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:14,159
it's like hippie shit, but I feel like when I

1580
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:19,159
think about pagan rhythms and like the start of spare World,

1581
01:24:19,159 --> 01:24:21,800
I feel like that's when it really started, where it's

1582
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,319
like that's a dude that like has things to say,

1583
01:24:27,079 --> 01:24:30,319
rhythms in his fucking riffhand, that's like ready to like

1584
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,640
make some cool shit. And when you go all in

1585
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:40,159
and like devote your time to stuff, like it's hard

1586
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:42,920
to focus on shit and be creative. And that was

1587
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,039
like a thing where I was like, I don't know

1588
01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:47,960
if this band will do anything. It's very hard. And

1589
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:51,439
I know, like some people like like my stuff and

1590
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,760
I'll probably have a few people check my shit out

1591
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,479
just because I used to be in a band or whatever. Yeah,

1592
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,479
but I also did not promote Spirit World. I never

1593
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,279
have is like I did not promote that to like,

1594
01:25:04,079 --> 01:25:09,279
oh the dudes from Full Sake feat. Yeah, Like I

1595
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,920
just wanted it to be its own thing. But then

1596
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,399
because I I had so much time and I was

1597
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,880
thinking about this, that's how I kind of put it

1598
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,520
all together where I was like, well, if you're going

1599
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,439
to do a band like fulsome was in the era

1600
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,399
where people were not making records, so like you couldn't

1601
01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:30,079
get vinyl, and so that always pissed me off. Like

1602
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:32,359
I tried so hard to get a couple of our

1603
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:36,159
releases on vinyl, and at the time, every label was

1604
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:40,680
like just it was a hard no, you know, it's

1605
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:46,399
like we'll do CDs and so like that was gold

1606
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,840
number one. I'm like, I'm not doing a seven inch.

1607
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,840
I'm not doing a fucking demo. I'm literally going to

1608
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,239
write a full length, just drop it out of nowhere

1609
01:25:55,399 --> 01:25:58,920
by myself, put it on wax, so that I have

1610
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,720
checked off of my bucket list, and then just in

1611
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:08,520
the and the reward of the universe of doing that,

1612
01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:12,640
then those songs have taken me around the world like

1613
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,159
three times, playing with all my favorite bands. And this

1614
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:21,279
band is doing like crazy fucking insane shit, like playing

1615
01:26:21,279 --> 01:26:24,479
in front of thousands of people where it's like just

1616
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,960
like that show in Kentucky. It's like it's crazy like

1617
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,039
we're playing it's like us Double Driver, Machine Head, and

1618
01:26:32,079 --> 01:26:35,000
it's not like we're the local band. It's like on

1619
01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:37,920
the thing that doesn't belong. It's like we're lumped in

1620
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:41,399
with like this, you know what I'm saying, like that

1621
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,520
kind of thing. So I part of me is just

1622
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,479
like it doesn't happen by accident. It's a lot of work.

1623
01:26:49,119 --> 01:26:52,840
But that's why the shift changed it and then like

1624
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,159
I've kind of been writing that because when you start

1625
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,760
playing guitar and you start like getting on one, it's

1626
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:04,640
kind of like a like I've sort of developed my

1627
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,680
style a little bit and it's taken me this new

1628
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,359
stuff I'm writing. I think I finally melded the two

1629
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:14,479
together where I'm writing some of the best stuff I

1630
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,199
ever have. But I think when this comes out, it's

1631
01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:20,600
going to be like a like there is not another

1632
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,600
band that sounds like this, or probably ever will sound

1633
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,439
like this, Like this will be like one of those

1634
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:30,640
weird things where it's like that band was doing their thing,

1635
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,000
you know, like this will probably be like the self

1636
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:37,359
titled record, because I feel like it's that's what it is.

1637
01:27:37,399 --> 01:27:40,560
You know, it's like a band finding it's yeah, whatever

1638
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,279
you want to say, Like it's well, you.

1639
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 3: Can see that too. On hel Dorado it started coming

1640
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,279
out again, you know, so.

1641
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,399
Speaker 2: It's yeah and that, Like I remember talking to the

1642
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,840
label and like people were saying shit because they're like

1643
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,279
I wanted ideally, I want to be able to do

1644
01:27:56,319 --> 01:27:59,159
whatever I want, and now it's between concept albums and

1645
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:04,640
like country records and whatever. But you also, like I mentioned,

1646
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,920
when you start dealing with if I give somebody my word,

1647
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,520
then I'm going to do something Like I also am

1648
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:15,680
not the type of person like I've swallowed my own

1649
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,800
craziness enough to not be an egomaniac and be like,

1650
01:28:20,079 --> 01:28:22,560
what is the best thing for everybody? There's a way

1651
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,720
to do things where you don't, you know, cut off

1652
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,119
your fucking arm for no reason, you know what I mean?

1653
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:32,119
Like I could have crammed in after Death Western something

1654
01:28:32,119 --> 01:28:36,760
that would have alienated Century Media, all these new metal

1655
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:41,199
fans that we have, and then probably what has sucked

1656
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:43,159
for our booking agent too, because it might have made

1657
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:47,199
it very difficult for us to do things. So then

1658
01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:52,199
with El Dorado, I was like, writing this record, I'm like, well, actually,

1659
01:28:52,279 --> 01:28:53,960
this shit's pretty tight, and I got it kind of

1660
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,079
flowing together, Like I think there's a way in which

1661
01:28:57,119 --> 01:29:00,640
I can do because originally I didn't think you could

1662
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,640
mix it too, because I like punk, I like country,

1663
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,319
I like metal, and I'm like, I don't know, I

1664
01:29:06,399 --> 01:29:10,000
fucking hate when people mix shit that shouldn't be mixed,

1665
01:29:10,199 --> 01:29:12,840
you know, unless they do it well. So if you

1666
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,720
do something and it works, it's cool. But I'm also like,

1667
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,960
I I'm not like I'm pretty honest with myself. I've

1668
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,199
written a lot of shit that doesn't work, and then

1669
01:29:24,319 --> 01:29:29,520
it never even gets out to like my close confidence

1670
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,199
because I'm like, this shit sucks, Like you don't worry

1671
01:29:33,239 --> 01:29:35,119
about this, like you know.

1672
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know when to shove something that you don't have.

1673
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just like some people can't do that,

1674
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:45,000
you know. They just feel like it's yeah, and maybe

1675
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,960
it's true, like maybe it's good, but I just feel

1676
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:52,520
like it's so we're in such a unique cool position

1677
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,039
to even do this and like do it at the

1678
01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:57,840
level we're doing it, And it's like, I take that

1679
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:01,319
very seriously, Like I'm not going to shit on what

1680
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,760
I got going on, you know what I mean, just

1681
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,880
for the sake of being artsy, because I can you know.

1682
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:11,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, man. Well cool, So what's what's coming up?

1683
01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:13,239
I know you're working on the new record, you got

1684
01:30:13,239 --> 01:30:17,560
a graphic novel, like anything else? Any any big tours

1685
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,760
coming up or you guys taking still taking some more

1686
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:20,319
time off?

1687
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of stuff coming up. We're doing. Uh

1688
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,479
we leave November third and do like a five week

1689
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:35,319
tour with Avatar and Alien Weaponry, which I'm fucking pumped

1690
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:39,560
for that because that's like Avatar is a big fucking

1691
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,960
band that like most of my most of my peeps

1692
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,199
aren't familiar with them, but that's a band that like

1693
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:50,439
is fucking popping and they are on like the end

1694
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:55,279
of the spectrum of like metal that is very theatrical.

1695
01:30:56,319 --> 01:30:58,359
They still have like heavy shit, but I mean they're

1696
01:30:58,399 --> 01:31:02,800
fucking like they're like poppy in a way that it's

1697
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,479
it's interesting to me, but like, I don't think they

1698
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,079
take bands out like us very often, and I don't

1699
01:31:10,079 --> 01:31:13,520
really know how this happened, but I'm very thankful to

1700
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,119
Like we're playing one at three. The rooms are pretty big,

1701
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,640
but I just feel like it's going to be a

1702
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,760
thing where it's like that crowd is probably never seen

1703
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:28,640
a band like us, like sonically or visually, but I

1704
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,399
think like where when we go and play with Nails

1705
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:37,399
Tearror Obituary, that crowd a lot of the core kids

1706
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:44,000
probably on some hand sort of know like my old

1707
01:31:44,039 --> 01:31:47,039
band or my guitar player's old band, and like people

1708
01:31:47,079 --> 01:31:50,319
there like hear what we're doing and are familiar with

1709
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,960
like the styles that were that we present, and I

1710
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,479
think it's a great opportunity to go play kind of

1711
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,239
like a festival, you know, when you play to like

1712
01:31:58,279 --> 01:32:01,720
more of a crowd that like they're not gonna see

1713
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,199
your shirt and like realize, like, oh, humanity is a

1714
01:32:05,239 --> 01:32:07,880
devil vocal test, Like, it's not that crowd. It's the

1715
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:12,000
crowd that like when we go into those integrity warship

1716
01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:15,840
moments of our set, which that Klevo sound that like

1717
01:32:16,199 --> 01:32:21,079
I am obsessed with, they probably have never even heard

1718
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:23,880
a band fucking do it, And so I think it's

1719
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,640
gonna allow us to really fucking I think it's gonna

1720
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,920
be cool as fuck. Like the shows might not be

1721
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,920
wild with like the people that come out to see us.

1722
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,560
I'm sure it'll get loose, but it'll probably be a

1723
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,840
lot of people like just like soaking in this craziness

1724
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,199
bob in their head. But I just feel like have

1725
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:44,680
an opportunity to have a band like that put us

1726
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,560
on and take us where we can play to people

1727
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,159
that have never heard us or really any of the

1728
01:32:50,199 --> 01:32:54,359
bands that were kind of simpatico with. Yeah, yeah, I

1729
01:32:54,359 --> 01:32:58,359
think that's how you really start. Like I just think

1730
01:32:58,359 --> 01:33:00,000
it's the best thing you can do for a band.

1731
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:04,119
And like you mentioned it where like it's not that

1732
01:33:04,279 --> 01:33:07,960
we're allowed to play with all these different bands. That

1733
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:10,760
is a thing, but part of it is we're not

1734
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,720
afraid to do it. And when you when you put

1735
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,159
yourself out there and you're willing to go play in

1736
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:21,000
front of anybody, then you quickly realize that people love

1737
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,960
cool bands and just because it's just because they're a

1738
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,039
death muddal dude or a fucking straight edge dude, Like

1739
01:33:28,079 --> 01:33:30,439
you can win them over if your band's tight live,

1740
01:33:31,039 --> 01:33:34,600
and I think that I just I just remember when

1741
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:37,479
like my favorite bands would blow up and they'd start

1742
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,199
getting on bigger tours with like you know, weird even

1743
01:33:41,239 --> 01:33:43,520
when like Hate Breed first blew up and like soul

1744
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,880
Fly took him out or somebody, and then there's all

1745
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,840
the push pit bros. And so on one hand, you're like, ah,

1746
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,119
I wish this was like a hardcore show, but then

1747
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:55,479
you see what that does for the bands where it's

1748
01:33:55,560 --> 01:34:00,520
like Hate Breed is a shit, Like those records should

1749
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,520
be in every Long Hairs collection, you know what I mean,

1750
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,119
And it's like you can't get it to them. There's

1751
01:34:07,119 --> 01:34:10,199
not radio, there's not MTV. Like if the bands aren't

1752
01:34:10,199 --> 01:34:13,119
willing to put themselves out there and go play in

1753
01:34:13,119 --> 01:34:15,680
front of those crowds. So I feel like Spirit World's

1754
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,800
at that point where it's like I'm pretty excited for

1755
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,479
that tour because Alien Weaponry is from like New Zealand,

1756
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:25,359
and they're the same thing where like those are younger guys,

1757
01:34:25,399 --> 01:34:28,199
but like they're a wild fucking band. They're like a

1758
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:31,920
three piece. It fucking thrashes out, but they like they

1759
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,520
sing some of their songs and like they're what I

1760
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:37,520
don't even know what the language is, but like the

1761
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,800
like you know when you see the Rugby guys doing

1762
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:47,079
like the fucking crazy hockey hit whatever whatever, that vibe

1763
01:34:47,119 --> 01:34:51,199
is their indigenous thing. Like they start their set with that.

1764
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:55,319
They sing songs and like that language. It's wild. So

1765
01:34:55,479 --> 01:35:00,159
like it's a pretty diverse, weird bill, which it is

1766
01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:03,880
cool because bands don't have to take out like you know,

1767
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,560
I'm sure it's sort of a risk for like taking

1768
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,399
a band like us, but it's cool and we're gonna

1769
01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:12,399
have It's one of those things where it's a challenge,

1770
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,319
like you got to defeat the barricade, you got to

1771
01:35:15,399 --> 01:35:18,239
defeat the energy that's not there because the show is

1772
01:35:18,359 --> 01:35:21,199
just happening. You're the first band to play and then

1773
01:35:21,239 --> 01:35:24,680
you got to defeat the people looking at our giant

1774
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,720
banner and our suits that are like what in God's

1775
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,720
name is happening? Like there's all these like challenges with

1776
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,479
that kind of a tour, but I think the payoff

1777
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,920
is like if you can do it and come out

1778
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:40,760
on the other side, your band is better for it,

1779
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,920
because it's like if you can play to ten people

1780
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,079
on the floor and then you can play shows like that,

1781
01:35:47,119 --> 01:35:50,560
you basically can do just about fucking anything. You know,

1782
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:51,720
you're cooking at.

1783
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:54,199
Speaker 3: That point, and like you said, you win a crowd

1784
01:35:54,199 --> 01:35:56,039
that would have never been exposed to you over and

1785
01:35:56,079 --> 01:35:58,800
you got that many new people that are like checking it,

1786
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,159
and then they find you and then they're gonna go

1787
01:36:01,239 --> 01:36:03,159
down a rabbit hole and maybe they you know, like

1788
01:36:03,399 --> 01:36:06,399
you're like you now you're an ambassador. You're an ambassador,

1789
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:07,920
you know what I mean? And they're gonna.

1790
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like I could gateway drug it. Like

1791
01:36:11,279 --> 01:36:13,359
I had a friend ask me because like dwid did

1792
01:36:13,359 --> 01:36:16,399
a feature on a song for us, and like somebody

1793
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:19,000
asked me something and it was along the lines of

1794
01:36:19,039 --> 01:36:23,840
like because like satellite radio plays US a lot, and

1795
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,159
like we get lumped in with like like metal metal,

1796
01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:31,880
you know, like popular shit. It's still underground to an extent.

1797
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:36,960
But I was just like I I like all of

1798
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,800
my older brothers were metal heads, Like we started there

1799
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,399
a long time ago, but like that's how we got

1800
01:36:42,399 --> 01:36:45,560
into it. If it wasn't for like Pantera and fucking

1801
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:50,600
Danzig taking out fucking you know, like bands whoever I saw,

1802
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,960
sick of it all open for Like, if you don't

1803
01:36:53,039 --> 01:36:55,840
find it, you don't find it. And I would be

1804
01:36:56,039 --> 01:36:59,640
happy for somebody like to get into spare World and

1805
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:04,079
maybe they maybe the Slayer Nods or whatever loop them in.

1806
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:08,119
But if they go fucking pick up Integrity Records, like

1807
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,880
I'm happy to be that guy, you know what I mean?

1808
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:16,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well fuck yeah man, I uh, I know I've

1809
01:37:16,359 --> 01:37:19,000
had you here for a while. Anything else before we

1810
01:37:19,039 --> 01:37:22,319
wrap up, there has been a great talk, dude, we

1811
01:37:22,399 --> 01:37:23,199
can people find you?

1812
01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, I ain't got nothing. We're just like,

1813
01:37:28,359 --> 01:37:30,760
I'm just busy doing what we do, and I'm I'm

1814
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:35,000
stoked that people are around to uh check out live music.

1815
01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:37,840
Like every day I feel like I see another like

1816
01:37:38,039 --> 01:37:42,479
doomsday shit about art and AI and all this shit,

1817
01:37:43,319 --> 01:37:47,079
and I'm just like I hear you on the internet.

1818
01:37:47,279 --> 01:37:49,399
I don't get on it too much, but it's like,

1819
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:52,800
go out in the world because the shows are fucking great,

1820
01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:57,439
and they've been great since COVID lockdowns like stopped. Like

1821
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,960
I feel like underground shit is bigger than an ever

1822
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:03,279
has been. And live music and I can tell you,

1823
01:38:03,359 --> 01:38:07,520
like my band, like shit is fucking popping and it's great,

1824
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:12,000
like make art, go out, be a human being. Fucking

1825
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,760
the world is not all that bad. Like there's a

1826
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,920
lot of fucking badass shit happening, you know.

1827
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Man, If if you just stay on

1828
01:38:21,039 --> 01:38:23,319
the internet you think the world is way different than

1829
01:38:23,319 --> 01:38:25,279
it really is. If you just go out and participate,

1830
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,640
it's a lot better than then. Like you said, the

1831
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:31,760
doom and gloom, that's yeah, pretty much when you're online,

1832
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,920
you're just doom scrolling, you know what I mean. Because

1833
01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:36,640
when you're in the world, everything's still good, man, Everything

1834
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:37,920
is still good, you know what I mean?

1835
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: It is And like I the last thing I want

1836
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,840
to do is just shout out like Roman Candle Chasm,

1837
01:38:45,319 --> 01:38:49,920
a thousand ways to die. Uh. The dudes in Delta Bombers,

1838
01:38:50,039 --> 01:38:53,720
their singers started like a if you're into rockabilly. He's

1839
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,199
out there. I think they're on hiatus, but he's touring

1840
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:59,319
to see him Wolf fucking killing it. Like there's a

1841
01:38:59,359 --> 01:39:02,399
lot of some fucking music coming out of Las Vegas.

1842
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:07,399
Like stoked, you know what I mean. It's like of

1843
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,399
Sulfur if you're into like Death Court stuff is great.

1844
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:15,119
Molotov Solution put out another record, Like I'm very proud

1845
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,640
of my city and this underground and I'm very stoked

1846
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:23,560
that so many band a Like it's very hard to

1847
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:28,119
be from here and get out and like do things nationally,

1848
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,359
you know what I mean. So I'm very pumped that

1849
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:36,960
like Chasm's doing the for the Children gig at the

1850
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:41,279
fucking Blasco in December, Like that's cool, Like that's a

1851
01:39:41,279 --> 01:39:45,399
hardcore band from here of like real deal dudes that

1852
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:49,640
I love that, Like their band sounds like fucking crowbar

1853
01:39:50,279 --> 01:39:52,720
and so getting hand picked to go play one of

1854
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:56,359
the big boy hardcore fests like that shit's tight, you know,

1855
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,600
And like my band does so much crazy stuff. I'm

1856
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,479
I feel like people assume that we don't that we

1857
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:10,159
don't like notice what's going on, but like us, the

1858
01:40:10,199 --> 01:40:13,239
stuff we do in some ways is easier than like

1859
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:18,079
a VFW hall band from our scene that like my

1860
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:21,039
friends in Black Path that book all the course shows,

1861
01:40:21,079 --> 01:40:22,680
like a band that comes out of that to like

1862
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:27,600
get recognition from like the big dogs of the core,

1863
01:40:28,119 --> 01:40:31,119
like it's almost harder for them and some strange way,

1864
01:40:31,159 --> 01:40:34,119
I don't know why that is, but you know, so

1865
01:40:34,159 --> 01:40:36,960
I just want to shout out the local dudes and

1866
01:40:37,279 --> 01:40:40,720
ladies that are fucking out there grinding because I'm proud

1867
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:42,279
of them and I think it's sick as fuck.

1868
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Man, if someone wanted to check out, what's a

1869
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,640
shout out the website or any of the socials so

1870
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:49,640
people could go go listen to you.

1871
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 2: We got an Instagram that nobody barely does at Spirit

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World profit and we don't have a website. Just we

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got a merchdore Okay, basically just come to a show. Yeah,

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we make tunes. We're like fucking real rockers. Like I

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don't know how to do the uh you're looking for

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community and like cute tiktoks. We ain't gonna do it

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for you. The fucking headbangs, you know.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Man, Well, thank you for coming on.

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I'm gonna shut this off, but I'm not hanging up

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to just hold up one second. All right, And that's

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about it for today, So make sure you please wherever

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you're listening or watching, give us a like, give us

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a review, hit subscribe, and share the show with whoever

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of those things help us grow, keep more eyes on.

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The show keeps going and growing, so I appreciate it

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very much. If you want to support the show, go

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to Patreon dot com size Big Truth. For more information

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on the podcast, or to get some swag, go to

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to Tattoo Flash and if you give me a follow

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link up with Christian Joranov soon, who I'm doing that

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health of work with. He's a longevity and health expert,

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so I'll have that up soon. We'll coming down the

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pipeline until next time. Lovey all appreciate it. Keep it locked.

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Speaker 8: Arland, who have beaten England in the World Cup Final.

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