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Speaker 3: Day to talk to FOP President Ken Cover. That'll be
Speaker 3: chapter sixty nine. Since a police department's union and another
Speaker 3: judge that thinks it's okay to let violent people out.
Speaker 3: Ken Welcome back to the Morning Show. It's always great
Speaker 3: having you on the program.
Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, Brian, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: So we're out of Judge Silverstein's court and we're over
Speaker 3: in Judge William Mallory's court. Let my listeners know about
Speaker 3: what what the story is on this one.
Speaker 6: Well, this was a really a failure of the quote
Speaker 6: unquote system as a whole. District one officers had dealt
Speaker 6: with a gentleman clearly experiencing a mental crisis in the
Speaker 6: early part of Arch, was terrorizing some residents in a
Speaker 6: high rise apartment complex with a knife. Police get there,
Speaker 6: they determine that he's clearly is experiencing this mental crisis,
Speaker 6: so they take him to our psychiatric emergency services. At
Speaker 6: some point they treat him and deem him I guess
Speaker 6: fit to be back in the community.
Speaker 5: And then they encountered him just.
Speaker 6: Two days ago, same area, and now he has filed
Speaker 6: down railroad spikes that he's swinging at people.
Speaker 5: Police engage him.
Speaker 6: He ends up, thank goodness, swings it ends up striking
Speaker 6: one of the cops in the neck. Thankfully it wasn't
Speaker 6: a direct blow. Eight or nine officers there. They end
Speaker 6: up having to use chemical irritant. They end up tasing
Speaker 6: this guy. Thankfully, they didn't shoot him. The restraint that
Speaker 6: they showed was amazing. They end up charged him with
Speaker 6: assault on a po Two officers were hurt in this,
Speaker 6: albeit relatively minor injuries. But two officers hurt in the
Speaker 6: scuffle only to arrest him, and he gets a thousand
Speaker 6: dollars bond at ten percent or or electronic monitoring in it.
Speaker 3: Jeez, Louise, so demonstrably, shall we say, uh, maybe perhaps psychotic.
Speaker 3: He's obviously struggling from some serious mental issues. You know,
Speaker 3: I guess you say failed by the system. I agree,
Speaker 3: the community's been failed because anybody can get one hundred
Speaker 3: dollars together and get out of jail on it. So
Speaker 3: it should have been a much higher bond that would
Speaker 3: have kept him behind bars where I'm not sure what
Speaker 3: mental health services are available to people who are struggling
Speaker 3: with mental challenges in the jail. Maybe you can speak
Speaker 3: to that, but it would have kept him off the
Speaker 3: street and kept the community safe from an obviously recidibous
Speaker 3: violent guy. Then now the question is, isn't there some
Speaker 3: sort of commitment hearing? Can't they you know, he'd be
Speaker 3: referred over to some sort of longer term care facility
Speaker 3: in the name of protecting the public, because you know,
Speaker 3: the guy is demonstrably violent.
Speaker 5: It happens all the time.
Speaker 6: Where you have somebody that ends up getting charged with
Speaker 6: the crime, it's obvious that they're experiencing some mental crisis.
Speaker 5: There are mental health.
Speaker 6: Clinicians that are in the jail, and then that's where
Speaker 6: the court steps in and can order evaluations to be done.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not uncommon for somebody has criminal charges
Speaker 6: that they end up sentencing to like some of behavioral
Speaker 6: for the long term to be able to get them
Speaker 6: treatment where jail's not exactly the answer for them. However,
Speaker 6: we have to protect the public. We can't just have
Speaker 6: this guy running around. And what I fear, and this
Speaker 6: is why I brought this to light, is the police
Speaker 6: are going to end up encountering this guy again. He's
Speaker 6: going to be armed with something, and next time, something
Speaker 6: tragic's going to happen in the community. You know, all
Speaker 6: of the politicians are going to be going, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: how did this happen?
Speaker 5: Well, the answer this is exactly how it happened.
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Speaker 3: Show form March twenty six of twenty twenty five. When
Speaker 3: this happens and you'll know that you get you. Ken Cobra,
Speaker 3: FOP president gave public fair warning that something bad was
Speaker 3: going to happen, and my fear is that it's going
Speaker 3: to be something bad to the police officer. He's going
Speaker 3: to end up with some greater weapon that he could use.
Speaker 3: Maybe he'll find a handgun or or maybe run at
Speaker 3: an officer and club him over the head with a
Speaker 3: baseball bat or something like that. Clearly, the guy is
Speaker 3: not it doesn't have any reservations about doing something like that,
Speaker 3: and we can blame his mental issues on that on
Speaker 3: the reason he would do it, but nonetheless he's demonstrated
Speaker 3: the violence. Let's pause, We'll see if Ken's got some
Speaker 3: further comment on this can hang on. We're going to
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Speaker 3: talking to Ken Kober about police related issues. And God
Speaker 3: bless each and every one of the SINSI police officers.
Speaker 3: They always faced danger and they try to keep the
Speaker 3: community safe. And then you get judges letting extremely violent
Speaker 3: and maybe perhaps in my word, crazy people at back
Speaker 3: on the street when they need to be dealt with
Speaker 3: in a facility. So two times in a month subject
Speaker 3: arm of the weapon experiencing a mental crisis, assaulting an
Speaker 3: officer with a railroad spike weeks earlier, terrorizing an apartment
Speaker 3: high rise with a butcher knife. That one he was
Speaker 3: quote unquote treated for mental illness released back into the community.
Speaker 3: You've obviously shown that there is a different and better
Speaker 3: path that quite often they will have that you do
Speaker 3: have the resources in the lockup to help people deal
Speaker 3: with these mental challenges, and you can refer them over
Speaker 3: to a long term care facility to make sure that
Speaker 3: they're men issues have been dealt with. May Or Judge
Speaker 3: Mallory lets him out on a ten percent thousand dollars bion,
Speaker 3: which is one hundred bucks. Now, was there an all?
Speaker 3: Were you there or was there an officer there? In court?
Speaker 3: Did did Judge Mallory explain why he thought it was appropriate,
Speaker 3: given that this guy is violent, demonstrably so, and maybe
Speaker 3: represents a threat to the community, why he was let
Speaker 3: out on such a low bond.
Speaker 5: I'm not aware of him giving an explanation. I do know.
Speaker 6: I talked to the arresting officer yesterday who indicated on
Speaker 6: the arrest report asking.
Speaker 5: For a high bond.
Speaker 3: Well, I would hope so. And he asked for a
Speaker 3: high bond, not because you're being you know, a jerk
Speaker 3: or anything, but because he represents a threat to the
Speaker 3: community and judges are supposed to take that into account
Speaker 3: when they're setting the bond. Am I right?
Speaker 5: They're absolutely supposed to.
Speaker 6: That was voted on by the bio voters just a
Speaker 6: couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: And left wing judges were not taking the community into account,
Speaker 3: which is just to me crazy. Are they not members
Speaker 3: of the community themselves? I mean, if this guy up
Speaker 3: shop outside Judge Mallory's house, don't you think the situation
Speaker 3: would be a little bit different, Lord Almighty, I just
Speaker 3: am beside myself.
Speaker 5: On this, So yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I don't either, And sadly, there's no way we can
Speaker 3: hold the judges accountable for this kind of thing. And
Speaker 3: you know what you talked about earlier, that is something really,
Speaker 3: something terrible could happen. This guy could end up with
Speaker 3: a bullet in his chest because he refuses to obey
Speaker 3: the commands of a police officer when he's acting in
Speaker 3: a violent manner and threatening people around him with grievous
Speaker 3: bodily harm or potentially death or the officer gets killed.
Speaker 3: I'd like to be able to interview Judge Mallory if
Speaker 3: that happens and ask him how he feels. Knowing that
Speaker 3: this guy had a record of having these problems in
Speaker 3: the community. What about that, sure?
Speaker 6: I mean, look at the We've had three police involved
Speaker 6: shootings in the last month. Columbia Township lock On police
Speaker 6: up on I seventy five, and then the one that
Speaker 6: the Cincinnati police had in Wanted Hills. All three of
Speaker 6: those suspects are suspected to have been mental ill This
Speaker 6: is just the next one waiting to happen. Unfortunately, this
Speaker 6: is something that the police are dealing with more increasingly
Speaker 6: because if they get involved in the court system, they're
Speaker 6: not getting the mental health treatment they should be getting.
Speaker 5: And then if they're not involved in.
Speaker 7: The mental health or in the court system and they're
Speaker 7: going you know, the mental health hospital route, they're not
Speaker 7: getting the treatment that they should be getting, and they're
Speaker 7: just released to the public to go terrorize the community.
Speaker 6: And then they end up falling in the lapse of
Speaker 6: the police. And then this is one we're having these
Speaker 6: deadly encounters.
Speaker 3: Well, and this is a complete failure of the point
Speaker 3: of the criminal justice system. People like this enter the
Speaker 3: criminal justice system and one of the goals of the
Speaker 3: criminal justice system is to get them the care and
Speaker 3: treatment they need. It's like drug court. You give somebody
Speaker 3: an option to go through drug rehabilitation and try to
Speaker 3: kick this stuff. That's a great thing. It's a leg
Speaker 3: up for them if they do that, it keeps them
Speaker 3: out of jail. But it's an alternative that gets some
Speaker 3: on a treatment path. This, of course, is an alternative
Speaker 3: to the drug court. It's like, get him on the
Speaker 3: treatment path, get him the carry needs and from a
Speaker 3: psychiatrist or a psychologist. But it failed this guy as well.
Speaker 3: This guy has been let down by the system and
Speaker 3: Judge Mallory for being let back out on the street.
Speaker 3: And I tell you what I pray for all you
Speaker 3: people out on the street looking out for the community's
Speaker 3: best interest. Can I really truly do so. If there's
Speaker 3: anything all I can do is bring it to the
Speaker 3: public's attention. And all you can do is bring it
Speaker 3: to the public's attention. We the public are going to
Speaker 3: have to make better, more informed choices when it comes
Speaker 3: to electing judges. And I think that's a conclusion I
Speaker 3: can reach today. Let's hope nothing happens. Well, I tell
Speaker 3: you it's been a pleasure having you on Ken. I
Speaker 3: wish we didn't have this topic to talk about. It
Speaker 3: was something more uplifting, but you know, you always have
Speaker 3: an opportunity to get the word out here on the
Speaker 3: fifty five KC Morning show. Keep up the great work,
Speaker 3: and real quick, I have to ask this kind of
Speaker 3: thing has to impact them, Arale, the police officers, right,
Speaker 3: it's like letting people out the revolving door of justice,
Speaker 3: not prosecuting people for crimes. It kind of makes your
Speaker 3: job pointless, not only dangerous, but in the final analysis,
Speaker 3: I bet it feels kind of pointless, doesn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You know when I talked to the officer yesterday arresting
Speaker 6: officer in this case, and after I told him I
Speaker 6: found out what the bond was, and he just just
Speaker 6: shook his head and laughed, and he's like, why am
Speaker 6: I not surprised?
Speaker 5: And it does.
Speaker 6: And you know, a lot of these officers are putting
Speaker 6: themselves in these dangerous positions to protect the community, only
Speaker 6: to find out that they're going to be let right
Speaker 6: back out.
Speaker 5: And that's the frustrating part.
Speaker 3: I imagine I am going to work every day and
Speaker 3: having to deal with people like this, this crazy guy,
Speaker 3: and knowing that your job ultimately is pointless because you
Speaker 3: have been prevented from protecting the community thanks to a
Speaker 3: judge anyway, Ken again, you always have a form here.
Speaker 3: Thanks for what you're doing, my friend, and God bless
Speaker 3: the police department.
Speaker 5: All right, Brian, thanks for having me.
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