Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Taylors of Tech podcast with your
Speaker 1: host Mike. Hello, how's it going. You might notice that
Speaker 1: for those that are watching the video, there is no
Speaker 1: video portion of the podcast this week, and that's because
Speaker 1: I'm here with a guest. And the guest I have
Speaker 1: today is a special one one that I hold in
Speaker 1: high esteem and that I care about a lot, My wife, Carrie.
Speaker 1: How's it going? Hey, everybody, Carrie hasn't really been on
Speaker 1: many podcasts or really much recording, because I think you're
Speaker 1: maybe on the TV once or twice, but otherwise this
Speaker 1: is sort of new to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is my first podcast ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Unfortunately, Drew and Randy were busy this week, so
Speaker 1: you've got me and Carrie for this one. And so
Speaker 1: I thought that we would maybe talk about some technology
Speaker 1: that we've gone through in our lives, kind of growing
Speaker 1: up in the early or mid nineties and seeing how
Speaker 1: things have progressed, but mainly kind of working our way
Speaker 1: up to today and what we use in technology, because well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting hearing what other people have used,
Speaker 1: what they've been exposed to, what kind of phones that
Speaker 1: they grew up with, what was their favorite phone and
Speaker 1: all that, So that'd be somewhat simple and easy for you,
Speaker 1: since you're not really the biggest tech guru that I
Speaker 1: know around.
Speaker 2: I am not the biggest tech guru. This is true.
Speaker 2: You are the tech guru of the two of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember the first technology or piece of
Speaker 1: technology that you ever interacted with?
Speaker 2: Well, we had a regular TV growing.
Speaker 3: Up, was a regular TV, so we my parents had
Speaker 3: a box TV. It was ginormous and heavy and it
Speaker 3: had this huge TV stand that it set in. Quality
Speaker 3: was terrible, but as kids, it was pretty. It seemed
Speaker 3: big and was cool. And then my parents had a computer,
Speaker 3: but it was one of the old monitors, so it
Speaker 3: was this giant cube. And then the computer itself was
Speaker 3: like I don't know, it must have been like a
Speaker 3: foot and a half by like tall by six inches
Speaker 3: wide and.
Speaker 2: More than that, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was like it was big, a big, chunky CRT
Speaker 1: Dell monitor or something like that.
Speaker 3: Well, there was the monitor and then there was like
Speaker 3: the computer itself. Either way, both of them were way.
Speaker 2: They were both huge.
Speaker 1: It was very beige.
Speaker 2: It was beige.
Speaker 3: It was like a beige white color and collected dust
Speaker 3: really easily. Because the top of it had little air
Speaker 3: holes to ventilate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not really the best idea putting air holes on
Speaker 1: the top, especially in a dusty environment where things could
Speaker 1: just get into there and cause issues.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it always did because it was stuffed into
Speaker 3: the desk that we had, which the desk had kind
Speaker 3: of this top tier thing, so it wasn't very reachable
Speaker 3: and so there was like dust collection and things like that.
Speaker 1: Top tier being like a shelf or an overhang or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, kind of like a shelving unit that it
Speaker 3: sat in with a desk.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it sounds like a lot of boxy stuff
Speaker 1: at the beginning of your life that you remember a.
Speaker 2: Lot of boxy stuff.
Speaker 3: And when the internet would go out, we'd have that
Speaker 3: traditional dial up that would.
Speaker 1: Ring through the house, the whole entire house pretty much.
Speaker 2: You could hear it.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was loud.
Speaker 1: So did you have a separate line or was it
Speaker 1: just one line that you would disconnect from the phone
Speaker 1: into the computer or.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not something you'd remember entirely. Yeah, it's probably
Speaker 1: something your parents remember very vividly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably they probably remember, but I can't I was
Speaker 3: too young, sure.
Speaker 1: And I guess you didn't really watch too much TV
Speaker 1: on that big television, or.
Speaker 2: We did not because we had bunny ears.
Speaker 1: For for those that don't know what bunny ears are
Speaker 1: in some of maybe those old classic cartoons or anything else.
Speaker 1: The almost like what you see on old cars on
Speaker 1: the road today, it's pretty much two antennas either kind
Speaker 1: of like a stick slash probe or even in some
Speaker 1: case it looks like bunny ears. It's a looped piece
Speaker 1: of metal, two loops of metal, and you would adjust
Speaker 1: them to try to get a signal out to whatever
Speaker 1: towers or satellites or anything else that's trying to communicate
Speaker 1: with to get a signal to the display in which
Speaker 1: did you have just the sticks or did you have
Speaker 1: actual loops?
Speaker 2: It was just the sticks, okay, And.
Speaker 3: I think we got about four channels. Four channels, so
Speaker 3: we did not have cable TV. We just stuck with
Speaker 3: the bunny ears, which my parents still have only four
Speaker 3: channels today.
Speaker 2: They don't currently have cable What.
Speaker 1: Years it again, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: They do streaming, They do streaming, but they.
Speaker 1: They have internet now, they.
Speaker 3: Have internet, but they still only get I think for
Speaker 3: maybe five channels and.
Speaker 1: Jeez, yeah, I remember the last time I went to
Speaker 1: your parents and they just got that new Internet And
Speaker 1: it's like that direct line of site type of system
Speaker 1: where it's pretty much a dish that you have set
Speaker 1: up by someone or you can set up, and then
Speaker 1: you are either instructed or the person who's installing it
Speaker 1: figures out what direction the tower is that this company
Speaker 1: owns or is using. Yeah, and you point as much
Speaker 1: as you can directly, hopefully there's no trees in the
Speaker 1: way to that tower, and so then that way, it's
Speaker 1: a direct line of site quote unquote signal that allows
Speaker 1: you to have this wireless internet system without having to
Speaker 1: take cables all the way down long swaths of roadway
Speaker 1: or forests or anything else and pay that much just
Speaker 1: to give someone an Internet connection. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And for reference, my parents do live somewhat in the
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere, so that's a good.
Speaker 2: Option for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, And I guess why I brit
Speaker 1: it up as interesting comparing that to what we were
Speaker 1: using at the time, being starlink, where it was kind
Speaker 1: of the same idea of it's a line of sight scenario,
Speaker 1: but instead of trying to connect to a tower, not
Speaker 1: like maybe a mile or two away. It's now trying
Speaker 1: to beam up a signal from space. Did you like
Speaker 1: our starlink? I guess a little tangent.
Speaker 2: I which which one?
Speaker 1: Which the one that we have at home.
Speaker 3: I like it, but it was kind of slow for
Speaker 3: some of the things that you use it for. But
Speaker 3: it seemed to do like pretty decent with streaming, which
Speaker 3: I think is a majority of what you and I
Speaker 3: probably use it for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, typically we sit on the couch in the evenings
Speaker 1: and watch whatever.
Speaker 3: That and just having our phones connected to it so
Speaker 3: we're able to have service.
Speaker 1: Right. We've had a couple of repair guys out recently,
Speaker 1: and each time that they come out they say, there's
Speaker 1: not really any signal out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I gets slightly disgruntled, and then we pretty much just
Speaker 1: have to echo the same thing that you just said is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we got the internet so we can stay
Speaker 1: connected still, which seems like our our lives are very
Speaker 1: much connected to the Internet. It almost seems like it's
Speaker 1: a public utility now instead of novelty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it would still like it because it's not
Speaker 3: It wasn't fiber. If the power went out and we
Speaker 3: could still use the internet like with with alternate means.
Speaker 1: But right it was no longer uh we're not. When
Speaker 1: we had startlink, it wasn't dependent on two systems that
Speaker 1: are wire based. Yeah, one was Internet or I guess
Speaker 1: dish base, and it just needed power while the power
Speaker 1: needed well a connection pretty much.
Speaker 3: But I mean it was slow doing certain things, but
Speaker 3: seemed to work decently.
Speaker 2: The downside I think for us is the trees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a couple of trees on our property
Speaker 1: that tend to be a little bit of an issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that I think that line of sight made
Speaker 3: it a little bit difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't really work for everyone, right, Yeah, for
Speaker 1: those that either are in cities for some reason that
Speaker 1: need starlink but there's adjacent buildings there in the way,
Speaker 1: or I guess I think trees is probably a better example.
Speaker 1: Is especially those that are either in the suburbs or
Speaker 1: maybe not even in the suburbs, kind of out in
Speaker 1: the sticks, but there's still either some heritage trees or
Speaker 1: just trying to get approval to get trees removed in
Speaker 1: some of these sticky situations can be an issue. But
Speaker 1: you need internet or at least you want internet that
Speaker 1: provides better speeds, right, But in many other people's cases,
Speaker 1: those that don't live in the desert, they have to
Speaker 1: deal with foliage or at least if you're living right
Speaker 1: by a mountain or just some weird complex topography, just
Speaker 1: how much line of sight or skyview the Starlin kaz.
Speaker 2: The other thing was the setup for it.
Speaker 3: Trying to find a place on the roof that we
Speaker 3: could put it where it would be able to see,
Speaker 3: and then taking the line from outside and bringing it
Speaker 3: inside to the router was kind of a hassle.
Speaker 1: That is the complicated part, trying to get the outside
Speaker 1: things in without cutting holes too large or through already
Speaker 1: openable orifices in the house like windows or doors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what we.
Speaker 3: Did worked probably best because we didn't have to drill
Speaker 3: any holes into No.
Speaker 1: There was actually some stuff that was already utilized in
Speaker 1: our house. I guess the previous tenant had a dish
Speaker 1: like for dish TV, and so we're able to utilize
Speaker 1: a lot of the holes that they already drilled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just PLoP in the Starlink cable, which was a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger. At least on the end, Starling didn't
Speaker 1: really make it easy for the end to get through
Speaker 1: these holes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the plug was larger, like, yeah, the head of
Speaker 3: it or whatever.
Speaker 1: So you'd make the hole big enough just to put
Speaker 1: the plug through, and then the rest of the wires like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can put two of these wires in this hole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of an annoyance. I think Drew had the same
Speaker 1: issue when they started with the Gen one starlink dish.
Speaker 1: The plugs you had to pretty much drill out a
Speaker 1: hole that was big enough for those plugs. I think
Speaker 1: on the Gen ones it was even a bigger plug.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that, like the mounting was difficult
Speaker 3: for us because we ended up not actually mounting it
Speaker 3: to the roof.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We just let it sit on there and then
Speaker 1: put some sandbags on it, hoping it would slide off.
Speaker 2: On its legs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not on the dishpart. Yeah, that'd be a
Speaker 1: little bit hard for it to get a signal.
Speaker 2: There just wasn't a good place.
Speaker 3: That was part of the placement problem was there wasn't
Speaker 3: a good place for us to put it where it
Speaker 3: had the line of sight and it could be propped
Speaker 3: up with.
Speaker 1: Some sort of mount Yeah. So I guess maybe I
Speaker 1: guess we'll continue on this conversational tangent that we're on.
Speaker 1: What do you think of our fiber in it that
Speaker 1: we have now?
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: It didn't really change anything for me personally because I
Speaker 3: don't use I really don't use that much internet, so
Speaker 3: that was nice. What was also nice is if they
Speaker 3: installed everything. Like with starlink, we had to install all
Speaker 3: the you know, the wires and cables and different things,
Speaker 3: but with the fiber, they came out and installed it,
Speaker 3: which was nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nice not being the installer this time,
Speaker 1: not having to do all that work and do all
Speaker 1: the research and figure it all out in troubleshoot. It
Speaker 1: just coming from a company that I guess we are
Speaker 1: used before for cable, right, it's quite easy just to well,
Speaker 1: the connection was alri pretty much. Well it wasn't already there,
Speaker 1: but they they already had a line coming here before,
Speaker 1: so it's easy for them just to follow that same
Speaker 1: path that they had to our house.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I think for you it's been hugely beneficial to have
Speaker 3: the fiber versus the starlink.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It makes podcasts like this possible. Though I guess
Speaker 1: this one's not video based, so it'll go up a
Speaker 1: bit quicker with whatever I put on for video watchers,
Speaker 1: but for audio listeners it was never really an issue
Speaker 1: in the first place. Those would usually upload pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do appreciate the fiber a lot more,
Speaker 1: even for trying to game online. Sometimes with my buddy,
Speaker 1: we would play Halo and all that with starlink and
Speaker 1: he would tell me I'd glitch around a bunch, But
Speaker 1: now I don't really glitch around. Instead. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: the servers sometimes have issues, but otherwise it's not my connection,
Speaker 1: which is great. It's nice not having that barrier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it makes it a lot easier.
Speaker 1: Agreed. So going back to your time with technology, So
Speaker 1: you remember the first devices that you had, being a
Speaker 1: big square TV and a big beige motter with holes
Speaker 1: on the top and all that. What was the first
Speaker 1: technology that I guess you owned for yourself. I guess
Speaker 1: that'd maybe be an iPod or a phone or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: No, so I had a DS.
Speaker 1: A Nintendo DS. Yes, okay, I don't think I know
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: I didn't use it a ton, but it was the one.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it was. You flip it open,
Speaker 2: it has a screen on the top.
Speaker 1: In the bottom that's Nintendo DS. Was it silver? Yeah, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I guess there's silver, blue, and I think pink at
Speaker 1: the time, maybe, but it.
Speaker 3: Was silver, And I think I had like a handful
Speaker 3: of games and a carrying case for it.
Speaker 1: Is there a specific game that you'd play on it?
Speaker 2: There was Is It Treasure Planet? That movie? That cartoon
Speaker 2: It came out like probably twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Well, don't make me feel too old. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess us too old, but even so so, there's a.
Speaker 2: Is It Treasure Planet? I think? Is the movie?
Speaker 1: I'm sure? Yeah, the guy that kind of has the
Speaker 1: middle part in his hair, right, it's brown, and then
Speaker 1: there's like some captain with a big arm and then
Speaker 1: some pink goo thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there was a game for that movie, and
Speaker 3: I think I played that one probably the most. I
Speaker 3: think there were some other ones, but I don't remember
Speaker 3: what they were, so I probably didn't play them very much.
Speaker 1: Okay, but that was the first piece of technology that
Speaker 1: you owned that you remember carrying around or at least
Speaker 1: having in your possession.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I played it, you know a little bit,
Speaker 3: but I don't think I was ever super attached to it,
Speaker 3: like I had to have it or I played it
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: It was just kind of like, I don't know, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: As into it. Ah. Yeah, that's where we differ. I
Speaker 1: was very much attached to the hip with every single thing.
Speaker 1: When I got my game Boy, it was just it
Speaker 1: was amazing with the idea that I can take this
Speaker 1: around with me. Though I don't think I took it
Speaker 1: to like grocery stores when my mom took me to
Speaker 1: grocery stores for grocery shopping. But I do remember just
Speaker 1: the the wonder of the fact that I could take
Speaker 1: this device or wherever. I guess mainly where i'd play
Speaker 1: it is in the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely could see you being attached to your
Speaker 2: technology even at that age.
Speaker 1: It's yeah. I think the first piece of technology I
Speaker 1: remember interacting with is my mom's old G three Mac
Speaker 1: kind of like if you remember, we had the upgraded
Speaker 1: quote unquote upgrade, the next gen version of the iMac,
Speaker 1: the green one that I bought yep and gave that
Speaker 1: to Mom as a second home gift, and all that
Speaker 1: second home gift being she was wanting a new Mac
Speaker 1: and I wanted to replace the iMac because I wanted
Speaker 1: something a little bit nicer and newer, and so second
Speaker 1: home being it's got its new second life, right, second
Speaker 1: owner and all that. What am I getting out with this?
Speaker 1: But yeah, the G three iMac, the original one, and
Speaker 1: I remember mom having one. I think it was blue.
Speaker 1: I remember interacting with that as I think my first
Speaker 1: piece of tech like TV existed, right, but something that
Speaker 1: you actually do in put an output with the computer
Speaker 1: was definitely that thing in our lives. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I I was attached to my DS, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it was. I don't think it was the
Speaker 1: first device they had on me. But okay, so when
Speaker 1: did you get your first phone then, and what phone
Speaker 1: was that? Did you start with a flip.
Speaker 2: Phone or so?
Speaker 3: My first phone was a flip phone. It did not
Speaker 3: have a camera on it, okay, and you had to
Speaker 3: buy minutes for it. Oh it's one of those phones.
Speaker 3: Well one of those plans, one of those plans. So
Speaker 3: you had like a certain you know, certain amount of
Speaker 3: calls and text you could send, and of course, because
Speaker 3: it's a flip phone, you're texting would be like three clicks,
Speaker 3: one click, three clicks to get to whatever letter you wanted,
Speaker 3: and it took forever to write out what you were saying.
Speaker 3: But I didn't have very many people I was texting
Speaker 3: at that time because it wasn't it wasn't really a
Speaker 3: thing that people did yet.
Speaker 1: Well, you didn't really have like that much of a
Speaker 1: social life, right, Yeah, I mean you had your friends
Speaker 1: at school, but maybe not all of them had cell phones.
Speaker 1: And also the world wasn't really surrounded by this much
Speaker 1: technology fitting in your pocket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was the phone that I got was
Speaker 3: like my aunt's leftover phone that was you know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't like a brand new phone that I got. It
Speaker 3: was like a hand me down phone, and I was
Speaker 3: just happy to have some form of a phone because
Speaker 3: it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So I think it was like blue and silver. I
Speaker 2: don't know what brand it was.
Speaker 1: Was it kind of traditional where you had the single
Speaker 1: thick hinge on the top and then you'd flip it
Speaker 1: open with your thumb pretty much.
Speaker 3: But it was small, I mean as far as like
Speaker 3: something handheld goes.
Speaker 2: It was just just any bitty Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure wasn't huge. Yeah, things didn't really get too big
Speaker 1: at that point yet. But I guess we worked from
Speaker 1: this is a little bit past our time. I think
Speaker 1: original cell phones that had a whole entire satchel, yeah,
Speaker 1: that you would wear on your side, very big piece
Speaker 1: of technology, and they finally got it eventually to a
Speaker 1: miniature size for the consumer, but still had a decent
Speaker 1: amount of battery life and uh, just feasibility for whatever
Speaker 1: use cases that you had, which is pretty much. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even texting was like, that wasn't the focus at
Speaker 1: the time. It was being able to call someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I think at that time too, like you know,
Speaker 3: my mom had kind of like a similar, you know,
Speaker 3: flip phone, but hers had a camera, and.
Speaker 1: So was that something that you really wanted after seeing
Speaker 1: what your mom had and what you had?
Speaker 2: Not?
Speaker 3: Really it wasn't like, oh man, I have to have
Speaker 3: the phone, but I will be honest, I really did
Speaker 3: want a camera on the phone just so I could
Speaker 3: take pictures of like I don't even know, just random
Speaker 3: things like our pets or like a plant, which you know,
Speaker 3: those picture qualities were awful, you know, the camera quality
Speaker 3: was just terrible.
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, you gotta give a little credit to
Speaker 1: those little things.
Speaker 3: I mean, for the time being, it was really impressive,
Speaker 3: but they were just highly pixelated and they took forever
Speaker 3: to load.
Speaker 2: Once you got what either you sent or got a photo, it.
Speaker 1: Have the little like line by line and or the
Speaker 1: loading loading circle.
Speaker 3: And then of course if you ever sent a picture
Speaker 3: that seemed to like take up extra minutes, if.
Speaker 2: You were on that type of plan.
Speaker 1: Jeez, yeah, I forgot about that. Phones not having cameras. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of a requirement these days with a lot
Speaker 1: of our phones is does does it have a camera?
Speaker 3: I think all modern phones have cameras, right for most smartphones, Yeah,
Speaker 3: unless you have one of those like dumb phone. Really yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say dumb phone, but like, well
Speaker 3: it is like are the really simplistic ones that have
Speaker 3: like the you know, just regular buttons.
Speaker 1: And I think the name dumb phone isn't uh. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's derogatory or meant in vain. I think
Speaker 1: it's mainly meant to distinguish it between what we call
Speaker 1: these days smartphones. We don't really call things. I guess
Speaker 1: we still call things phones, but there is that phone
Speaker 1: versus smartphone delineation that kind of has melded together at
Speaker 1: this point, and so to delineate a smartphone, or I
Speaker 1: guess a phone in general to what we see emerging
Speaker 1: on the market a little bit more or maybe not becoming.
Speaker 1: It's still an option that you can get. It's just
Speaker 1: it used to be really hard and it seems like
Speaker 1: it's become a slight bit more available. Is a dumber
Speaker 1: phone that doesn't have apps or cameras or yeah, Bluetooth maybe.
Speaker 3: I remember too, like getting that phone there was like,
Speaker 3: you know, you could only do so many things as
Speaker 3: an option on there, and I remember you'd go through
Speaker 3: and like pick out your ring tone. That was one
Speaker 3: of the things that was like cool to do, was
Speaker 3: to go through all the different like ring tone styles
Speaker 3: and then select which one you thought would be cool.
Speaker 2: So I remember going through.
Speaker 3: And like they were they were you know, looking back
Speaker 3: there probably all terrible, but that was one of like
Speaker 3: the highlights of getting a phone back then, as like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, let me pick out.
Speaker 2: My ring tone.
Speaker 3: It has to be something cool because later on you
Speaker 3: could set different ring tones for different people eventually, but
Speaker 3: at first it was just just like basic, you know, this.
Speaker 2: Is the ring tone.
Speaker 1: Do you ever buy any ring tones or download any
Speaker 1: off the internet?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you I remember getting Don't Fear the Reaper.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that is.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, I forget what the song is from. But
Speaker 1: they just took the clip well no, well, no, I
Speaker 1: think it was even the I don't think it was
Speaker 1: even chip tune. They pretty much just sliced that part
Speaker 1: of the song of I'm forgetting the song name. It's
Speaker 1: on the tip of my tongue pretty much. But they
Speaker 1: just took a clip I had that song and put
Speaker 1: it in as a ring tone, and then you could
Speaker 1: buy it. I think it was like nine nine cents
Speaker 1: at the time or ever. I remember getting it, and
Speaker 1: then I think realizing after that, I think you can
Speaker 1: I don't know if you could record your own ring tone,
Speaker 1: but you could upload an audio file onto it. And
Speaker 1: I felt slightly stupid. But then now looking at the
Speaker 1: chords that I have, for a lot of those phones,
Speaker 1: they didn't really have plug ins to computers. So even
Speaker 1: if I was that tech savvy, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I could have unless at the time I knew
Speaker 1: that's something I could really do and get into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just.
Speaker 3: Such emerging technology. I think not a lot of people
Speaker 3: would probably know how to do that.
Speaker 1: No, Instead it was pretty much does it have a
Speaker 1: menu on the phone where you could download songs? Yeah,
Speaker 1: almost like what app stores are today, but very very
Speaker 1: basic level of it of just do you want a
Speaker 1: ring tone?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then they eventually started offering more as like maybe
Speaker 1: not default ring tones, but a set of ring tones
Speaker 1: that you could choose from, which I thought was nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other thing that those early phones did is you
Speaker 3: get individual text messages. Like now, when you get a
Speaker 3: text message, it's a conversation with a person back and forth.
Speaker 2: But previously it was like, oh.
Speaker 3: This text and one text and at least on the
Speaker 3: phone that I had, So eventually you'd run out of
Speaker 3: memory space and you have to go back and delete
Speaker 3: the most of your text so that you had enough
Speaker 3: space to receive more text messages. Sure, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: aligned as like a conversation is now, where it has
Speaker 3: consecutive messages.
Speaker 1: I remember mine almost being like a consecutive message thing.
Speaker 1: It's just you never really looked up into the other messages.
Speaker 1: It was kind of just in the moment of someone
Speaker 1: sent you a text yeah, and then you'd respond or
Speaker 1: maybe you just let's sit there for a little bit
Speaker 1: and then respond later. But yeah, I guess I could
Speaker 1: kind of vibe with that a little bit, or at
Speaker 1: least I understand that. But yeah, definitely with smartphones with
Speaker 1: bigger screens and that touch interface and all that, it's
Speaker 1: set up more like a chat room.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I think now on my current phone, I have
Speaker 3: you have so much memory and so much storage space
Speaker 3: that I don't bother to go delete text messages or
Speaker 3: like previous conversations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about all of the links, all the photos,
Speaker 1: all the notes, all the everything that you've sent, not
Speaker 1: just to me, but friends and family. All that data
Speaker 1: is still being saved either on iCloud because you have
Speaker 1: an iPhone, yeah, or in the storage on your phone,
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of data that you're just not touching.
Speaker 1: I know, have you ever thought about archiving all that
Speaker 1: info somehow?
Speaker 3: Or I mean, you have gone back in the past
Speaker 3: and deleted some of the random things that I felt
Speaker 3: like I didn't need. But other times I just leave,
Speaker 3: just leave the old conversations there.
Speaker 2: I'm so bad getting rid of them.
Speaker 1: So it's an ever growing pile of archive that you're
Speaker 1: not properly archiving. You're just carrying to the next phone,
Speaker 1: I guess yes, or oh goodness, let.
Speaker 2: Me look to see how far back my last conversation.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I want to.
Speaker 2: Know, Okay, so just for starters.
Speaker 1: So right now, Carrie is showing me the list of
Speaker 1: what looks to be an endless list, and I message
Speaker 1: of group chats, text with people, so it never ends
Speaker 1: in which that's just those are old conversations that you.
Speaker 2: Use to conversations.
Speaker 1: The oldest one I see in there is from twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure a lot of the ones that either
Speaker 1: you and I have, or some of those back then
Speaker 1: still go back further if you tap into them and
Speaker 1: then scroll up to the earliest message and all that
Speaker 1: or even so, I mean, that's kind of the hard
Speaker 1: part about trying to figure out with some of these
Speaker 1: phones is yeah, you see the most recent message, but
Speaker 1: how far does the conversation go back, and if I
Speaker 1: message actually kept those messages from the previous phone or
Speaker 1: if it just started the new message off. Because I
Speaker 1: think at least I don't know about this phone they have,
Speaker 1: So I guess for those that are listening and are curious,
Speaker 1: Carrie has a iPhone fifteen regular in blue, but I
Speaker 1: guess you couldn't really tell it's blue even though it's
Speaker 1: got a blue Was it a leather case or pseudo
Speaker 1: leather case?
Speaker 3: They're like they're alternate, like their new case that they
Speaker 3: had the.
Speaker 1: Is it the one that oh it's got the cloth
Speaker 1: on the back kind of yeah, so it's like a
Speaker 1: rubbery is a rubbery or it's kind of soft, so
Speaker 1: it's almost like a leather feel on the edges and
Speaker 1: then a clothier feel on the back. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people didn't really like how that ages over time,
Speaker 1: but I think what's going for you really well is
Speaker 1: that you've got the leather wallet sitting on the back,
Speaker 1: in which definitely you taking it off right now you
Speaker 1: can see how clean and new it looks like on
Speaker 1: the cloth. But even so, there still are a few
Speaker 1: scratches on there from either when you've dropped it or
Speaker 1: excellently scratched it with your nails taking off the wallet
Speaker 1: or something else. But I don't know. I kind of
Speaker 1: dig the new case, even though it might have been
Speaker 1: a flop for Apple to make and for customers to
Speaker 1: try out and decide, Nah, this isn't it so far?
Speaker 2: I like the durability of it.
Speaker 3: It has a few scratches, but I previously had the
Speaker 3: silicone cases on the last I think I had two
Speaker 3: silicone cases on the last one.
Speaker 1: I had on the iPhone twelve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they just wore out on the edges and
Speaker 3: then they started to peel off, So then it was
Speaker 3: just like a plastic case on the corner, and I
Speaker 3: didn't like that it was falling apart so easily.
Speaker 2: Where's this one?
Speaker 3: So far has not shown any signs of peeling apart
Speaker 3: or like falling apart. It's just the normal wear and
Speaker 3: tear that a case goes through.
Speaker 1: Do you recall how long those cases would last, like
Speaker 1: cut a year, a year each, Yeah, wow.
Speaker 3: And that was at the end of the year mark.
Speaker 3: They were like in serious and obvious disrepair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the plastic and the rub well, I guess plastic
Speaker 1: and rubbers kind of you book it us. But pretty
Speaker 1: much the edges of that case were peeling off, coming
Speaker 1: off all four corners, everything, even the back and the
Speaker 1: edges and all that. Yeah, So you'd say, well, I
Speaker 1: guess how long have you had this case on your
Speaker 1: fifteen regular It's been Once you get that phone was
Speaker 1: it December.
Speaker 2: I want to say January or February of this year.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's been about seven months that you've owned
Speaker 1: this phone, and I guess it's been a good phone
Speaker 1: because you haven't really complained about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I really don't use phones to their full capacity.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're a good example of just the
Speaker 1: average person who buys an iPhone or I guess the
Speaker 1: smartphone in general is that you're not looking to get
Speaker 1: the best camera, or the best user interface, or the
Speaker 1: fastest read and write ability or charging speeds. It's more
Speaker 1: of just I need something reliable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I pretty much use it for messaging, calls, photos, internet, and.
Speaker 2: I use the calendar on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we tend to use our shared calendar a lot
Speaker 1: for setting up events, dates and everything.
Speaker 3: But as far as using like the notes app or
Speaker 3: even just a ton of like apps in general, I
Speaker 3: don't use.
Speaker 2: It a bunch for that. And you know, we have
Speaker 2: the home.
Speaker 3: App that we use, but otherwise it's not it's not
Speaker 3: heavily used.
Speaker 1: So you think the case is going to last more
Speaker 1: than a year, then, from what you can tell, I
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I mean it seems to be holding up
Speaker 3: so far. Like I said, the norm it has like
Speaker 3: some scratches from wear and tear, but otherwise the case
Speaker 3: itself is not falling apart.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like a deal breaker. Is some of scratches
Speaker 1: on the back cover? Then no?
Speaker 3: I mean, like I expect that when you use a
Speaker 3: phone that you're going to end up with a level
Speaker 3: of wear and terear which includes scratches.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you use a lot more technology
Speaker 1: than you used to? And by I guess used to,
Speaker 1: it's more of I guess that's relative, like five, ten,
Speaker 1: fifteen years and all that. Do you feel like you've
Speaker 1: become a little bit more tech enthusiasm or enthusiastic?
Speaker 3: I mean, growing up, we really didn't. We weren't like
Speaker 3: a heavy technology based family. I would definitely say meeting you,
Speaker 3: you know, granted we've been together for like twelve years,
Speaker 3: but I've probably used more technology with you than I
Speaker 3: would have if I didn't meet you.
Speaker 2: But even now, I don't use a ton of technology.
Speaker 3: I mainly use my phone and occasionally I'll use the
Speaker 3: computer or the surface, but otherwise otherwise I'm not And
Speaker 3: I do use our smart speakers too, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 3: sometimes cue some music sometimes cupe music on the smart
Speaker 3: smart speakers, but otherwise I can't think of another piece
Speaker 3: of tech that is just in the forefront of my life.
Speaker 1: You might be consistent with your tech usage because, as
Speaker 1: you said before, you had a Nintendo DS and it
Speaker 1: wasn't like the center of your world, but it was
Speaker 1: nice to have from time to time when nothing was
Speaker 1: going on, you could just flip it open and play
Speaker 1: Treasure Planet or whatever. Right, and now you kind of
Speaker 1: do the same with or a Nintendo Switch that we have.
Speaker 2: Right, I guess that's true. I do like the Nintendo Switch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, instead of playing Treasure Planet, which I don't know
Speaker 1: how that game looks now, probably terrible. Yeah, but now
Speaker 1: you play Animal Crossing New Horizons or ever the newest
Speaker 1: version of Animal Crossing.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 1: It came out in twenty twenty, and you seem to
Speaker 1: get a lot of enjoyment out of that.
Speaker 3: I do, but I probably play it the same amount
Speaker 3: that I would play the DS. I probably play this
Speaker 3: a little bit more, but it's still not something that
Speaker 3: I do daily.
Speaker 2: Or even weekly.
Speaker 1: You kind of hop on it maybe once or twice
Speaker 1: a month to kind of get your fill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely would say during college years, I was
Speaker 3: more into using.
Speaker 2: The computer and surface for school activities, But.
Speaker 3: Now that that's not a part of my every day,
Speaker 3: I just use like the computer that is.
Speaker 2: Offered at work. Sure, and even then i'm.
Speaker 1: It's which is an iMac by the way.
Speaker 3: It's one of the new ones.
Speaker 2: I don't quite know. I think it's like one of
Speaker 2: this one we had that was green.
Speaker 1: Use a green iMac.
Speaker 2: No, it's not green, it's silver, but it's the same type.
Speaker 1: Of Ah, so it's the gray one. Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know what one that is silver? Gray? I guess,
Speaker 1: well there's a was there a black one? I forget.
Speaker 1: I'd have to look at the store again to see
Speaker 1: what colors they offer. Yeah, I think there's a gray one.
Speaker 2: But even then, My job is not heavy computer based.
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't spend a ton of time on the
Speaker 3: computer either at.
Speaker 1: Work, right. Yeah, it's mainly just for data logging or
Speaker 1: other stuff like that, mainly just keeping track of stuff
Speaker 1: correct where mine is little bit more technical as an engineer,
Speaker 1: of course, so I'm spending a lot of time on it.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, you said something in there that I was
Speaker 1: going to hook on. It was a oh now, I
Speaker 1: remember so you mentioned. I guess when you went to
Speaker 1: school you were relying on computers the line you mentioned before,
Speaker 1: the surface in which, for those that may remember when
Speaker 1: I first started on these podcasts, I think mainly on
Speaker 1: the EV podcasts. I didn't start on a mac when
Speaker 1: we would record those episodes. I started on a surface
Speaker 1: pro in which I got or I had one, and
Speaker 1: then you took mine when I went on a vacation.
Speaker 3: Now let's okay, let's restep You were on a like
Speaker 3: a quarter system for school, sure, and I was on
Speaker 3: a semester semester system. So I started school before you did,
Speaker 3: and you had offered for me to borrow your computer
Speaker 3: for a little while.
Speaker 2: So I could take notes more easily.
Speaker 3: I liked it so much that you decided I could
Speaker 3: keep it and you would get yourself the.
Speaker 1: Pro I suppose that might have been what happened.
Speaker 2: Is what happened.
Speaker 1: So we ended up having two surface pros. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think your first one was a pro.
Speaker 1: It was a pro. They're both pros. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that you thought yours is just a regular service.
Speaker 1: I even know if they make a regular surface it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a surface pro or yeah, well the
Speaker 1: ones that we had was a surface pro, but they've
Speaker 1: since made a whole bunch of other ones in the lineup.
Speaker 3: Because I thought the one that you had was better
Speaker 3: or newer or something than. Yes, the previous one that
Speaker 3: I had.
Speaker 1: I had a faster chip in mine, and I think
Speaker 1: a little bit more storage, yeah, because I used it
Speaker 1: for I think a year or maybe yeah, it was
Speaker 1: about year, and I enjoyed it, but I saw the
Speaker 1: limitations of oh, it doesn't have as much storage as
Speaker 1: I need and it takes a little while to boot
Speaker 1: up a few things.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so then when you took or sorry, when I
Speaker 1: gave you there you go, gifted you mine, I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the opportunity that I can upgrade my system
Speaker 1: a little bit because I know what my use case
Speaker 1: is for the device I did.
Speaker 3: I did really enjoy the notes, like the Windows Notes
Speaker 3: application on that because it was really useful for keeping
Speaker 3: track of different classes and dates that we.
Speaker 2: Would go over things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one note yea.
Speaker 3: The downside, I would say of the surface or just
Speaker 3: tablets in general, is the detachable.
Speaker 1: Keyboard, right, so on iPads the folio case, it kind
Speaker 1: of just uses the magnets on the back of the
Speaker 1: device to hear it to it and then and it
Speaker 1: uses some type of rigidity on the joint. So then
Speaker 1: when you've got the keyboard, it stays as one unit
Speaker 1: pretty well because there's a lot of different contact points
Speaker 1: for the iPad, but for the surface.
Speaker 2: It's just cliping on clip magnetic.
Speaker 1: Well, it's little magnets, but it's only on the edge, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much, or the thin side of the device. And
Speaker 1: so if in the case that happened with you, if
Speaker 1: the surface ever goes over the edge on its kickstand,
Speaker 1: the rest of the device might not make it with
Speaker 1: it because the magnets would be not as strong to
Speaker 1: hold it up over an edge, and so the tablet,
Speaker 1: being the expensive thing, would go ahead and fall, but
Speaker 1: the keyboard that isn't as expensive would just stay on
Speaker 1: the desk.
Speaker 3: Which is what happened to me, because the desks that
Speaker 3: they give you in college are tiny, at least the
Speaker 3: ones they had.
Speaker 2: At my universe, and.
Speaker 3: Especially in the auditorium type classrooms where they have the
Speaker 3: little pull out type like I don't know, desk card
Speaker 3: surface from the chair, those are so tiny, there's no
Speaker 3: space to have a kickstand and the I don't know
Speaker 3: what I would call it, the butt of the surface.
Speaker 2: There's like the kickstand, and then there's where the joining.
Speaker 3: Of theboard tablet the tablet, and then there's the keyboard itself,
Speaker 3: and there just wasn't enough space.
Speaker 2: So what happened in one class is typing along.
Speaker 3: The kickstand went off, the surface went with it, and
Speaker 3: it shattered the screen. The good news is I was
Speaker 3: able to get it repaired and it was fine. But
Speaker 3: there was a chance we could lose the surface and
Speaker 3: all the data along with it, which would have been
Speaker 3: a huge bummer.
Speaker 1: Did you have a Microsoft three sixty five count at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, probably, so I guess maybe it would
Speaker 2: have been.
Speaker 1: It would have been backed up, probably, and you could
Speaker 1: access it from a different computer, which I like. That's
Speaker 1: what I really enjoyed about having the surface is I
Speaker 1: could log into whatever computer anywhere. So in the case
Speaker 1: of oh, no, someone stole my tablet for my car,
Speaker 1: I ended up going to a gym or some other
Speaker 1: part of town with my surface for some reason, maybe
Speaker 1: I had to pick something up after school, and then oh,
Speaker 1: someone stole the surface. Well, it's not a complete loss
Speaker 1: because probably at the time I was connected to Internet
Speaker 1: in taking notes, and so the notes backed up to
Speaker 1: the cloud and then all I had to do is
Speaker 1: go to another computer after my surface was quote unquote stolen.
Speaker 1: This never happened, but in the situation or hypothetical, I
Speaker 1: could easily just grab the notes and I wouldn't lose
Speaker 1: all that information, thankfully, And the same goes with you probably.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just super because it was like the
Speaker 3: first newer piece of technology I had had in a while,
Speaker 3: and it was a gift, so I felt really bad
Speaker 3: about it going over and cracking the screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Before that, I had a Dell laptop and I really
Speaker 3: enjoyed that actually lasted a long time.
Speaker 2: The downside was the battery eventually got old.
Speaker 1: Dells don't really age. Well, they don't from what I
Speaker 1: could tell. They don't the ones that I've got my
Speaker 1: work or a few at my work there are workstations,
Speaker 1: or those that I've observed from other co workers, both
Speaker 1: laptop and tower. They don't last long. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did actually really like the Dell computer I had.
Speaker 2: It was blue.
Speaker 1: And typical like late two thousands looking things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very much so. I think I got it when
Speaker 3: I was going into high school.
Speaker 1: Okay, so a little bit past late two thousands.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit past that, right. I loved that thing.
Speaker 1: It was. It was heavy, Yeah, most computers were at
Speaker 1: that point. I guess max were maybe the only ones
Speaker 1: that were getting lighter and lighter. Well, I feel like
Speaker 1: there was a few pocketable tablet or not tablets, but uh,
Speaker 1: laptops at the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just expensive, Yeah, I just really expensive.
Speaker 1: I remember a few, in particular, going to Best Buy
Speaker 1: and seeing these very small laptops. I don't remember what
Speaker 1: the name like where they came. They could have been Lenovo,
Speaker 1: they could have been some third party company that doesn't
Speaker 1: exist anymore. But I remember seeing them and they were
Speaker 1: just tiniest things, like maybe a little bit bigger than
Speaker 1: my iPad many, but probably a lot bigger than my
Speaker 1: iPad many.
Speaker 2: I might be I know exactly what ones you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: They were little, tiny ones and I wanted one of
Speaker 3: those because they were small and compact and it was cool.
Speaker 3: But at the time, you know, being an angsty teenager,
Speaker 3: I really wanted to have a CD player in my
Speaker 3: computer so that I could listen to my CDs through
Speaker 3: my headphones, through the computer.
Speaker 1: Can you tell how old we are, y'all listening to CDs?
Speaker 2: I still have all the CDs. I haven't gotten rid
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: We love our little four and one player that we have,
Speaker 1: and which it's inspired us to get a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of LPs and all that. Yeah, and we have some
Speaker 1: cassette tapes from family that we sometimes listen to, either
Speaker 1: during the holidays or when it's just a nice Sunday
Speaker 1: afternoon and we want to put on some tunes.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: It's a nice little players.
Speaker 2: Nice little player. It plays a lot of.
Speaker 1: Things, but also play CDs. It does play CDs, which
Speaker 1: you can't say for that one laptop, and which I
Speaker 1: think I probably made the same decision, is why would
Speaker 1: I get a laptop that doesn't have a CD player
Speaker 1: right when CDs are the rage right now, like they're
Speaker 1: never going to go away, right, And I could with
Speaker 1: some of these laptops. They're powerful enough to play DVDs.
Speaker 3: Right, And I wanted to be able to play DVDs too,
Speaker 3: because I could watch movies on the computer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in your room, in my room, you don't have
Speaker 1: to share the TV with Mom and Dad, right.
Speaker 3: That was also part of it, as I wanted to
Speaker 3: listen to my music and I wanted to play DVD,
Speaker 3: so then I didn't have to be like you know,
Speaker 3: I could be a weird teenager and like you know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny what the phone is replaced, because
Speaker 1: I recall going into your room and you had that
Speaker 1: laptop on your little small mini desks. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you had some speakers connected to it. It was your
Speaker 1: media center.
Speaker 2: It was my media center, and then it just.
Speaker 1: It's miniaturized so much over the years to where, like
Speaker 1: you said before, I mean, you don't use it as
Speaker 1: much as you admitted, But we've got speakers around the house.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to plug into them. You just
Speaker 1: bluetooth to them or airplay, I guess because we've got
Speaker 1: Apple speakers and play music whenever you want without having
Speaker 1: to plug them in. We're back in the day.
Speaker 3: I had it. I had, so the way I used
Speaker 3: my laptop was I used it as a laptop, but
Speaker 3: I also kind of used it as a quote home
Speaker 3: computer because I had it set up to where I
Speaker 3: could have it plugged in or not plugged in, and
Speaker 3: then either attached to the speakers or not. But I
Speaker 3: remember really appreciating having those speakers because I liked listening to.
Speaker 2: Music in my room.
Speaker 1: I think we still have those speakers.
Speaker 2: I think we still have them too.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing that kind of emerged, I
Speaker 3: think even before I got the computer was the iPod.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you remember what iPod you had?
Speaker 3: I had the I think it was the Nano, the
Speaker 3: blue one. It had the screen on it hm and
Speaker 3: I think we still have it.
Speaker 1: It was a smooth curve field to it. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I think it was the Was it the newer generation
Speaker 1: of Nano? Because I remember I had the older generation
Speaker 1: of Nano.
Speaker 3: They came out with a black and white Nano and
Speaker 3: then they came out with ones with all the colors,
Speaker 3: and I had the ones that ended up being all
Speaker 3: the colors, and I had the blue ones.
Speaker 1: I was the older generation. I had the black of
Speaker 1: the black and whites, and which I like that because
Speaker 1: I found, especially with the iPhone fourteen pro that I have,
Speaker 1: I really like square devices. Yeah, kind of like my
Speaker 1: original iPhone, the iPhone fives when they finally got out
Speaker 1: of their AT and T exclusivity contract, and I think
Speaker 1: the five Seed came out around that same time as well.
Speaker 1: But I liked the square field to it, and how
Speaker 1: maybe not I guess looking at now, is kind of
Speaker 1: like an aerospace look to it. But I guess aerospace
Speaker 1: is a little bit curvy in streamline. I guess brutalist.
Speaker 1: Maybe not brutalist, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think that's the right term for it.
Speaker 1: Very edged, defined edges in boxy, I guess is what
Speaker 1: I was raving over with the five s and what
Speaker 1: I liked about the fourteen pro. But going back to it,
Speaker 1: the iPods, Yeah, I really liked about my Nano's was
Speaker 1: very square, easy to hold, even though square kind of
Speaker 1: digs into your hands a little bit. Yeah, this one
Speaker 1: was fine with me. It didn't really dig in my hands.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you could put a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of songs on these things and carry them around and
Speaker 1: it was just such a great little device.
Speaker 3: The downside is that you could only download music from
Speaker 3: like one computer or like one account or something like that,
Speaker 3: and okay, at least that's what I remember.
Speaker 1: So you had to plug into the home computer.
Speaker 3: You had to plug in to the home computer to
Speaker 3: get your songs, or you had to download all of
Speaker 3: your CDs onto your iPod, which I eventually did.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you got your CDs, you put them into
Speaker 1: the home computer and then and then.
Speaker 2: You I don't know if you transfer or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: But you transfer to it itoons and here's all of
Speaker 1: the songs in your iTunes playlist. And then you plug
Speaker 1: in the iPod and then you just say, all right,
Speaker 1: the songs put onto the iPod. It take a bit.
Speaker 2: It would take a bit.
Speaker 1: I remember. It wasn't quick or fast because the read
Speaker 1: and write ability of those little devices or even the
Speaker 1: chords that were using just they weren't high speed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and because my family was not a technology family,
Speaker 3: just for us to be able to do that was like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this is so cool. But we could
Speaker 3: not figure out iTunes. So I had no music from
Speaker 3: iTunes on my.
Speaker 1: Wait, son, how'd you get songs on your iPod?
Speaker 2: I only had so all of my CDs that I had.
Speaker 1: Okay, they ended up on the iPod how.
Speaker 2: Through the computer, So like you'd put the disc.
Speaker 1: You didn't know how to buy songs on.
Speaker 2: I don't even think I had an Itunes's account.
Speaker 1: I don't even know, like I think you needed iTunes
Speaker 1: for the iPod? Okay, Well, I know how else, but
Speaker 1: that's something i'd have to verify, because a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff in early Apple days I don't remember too much.
Speaker 1: I remember the hardware, right, I vaguely remembered the software,
Speaker 1: but I didn't really pay attention to it too much.
Speaker 1: It was more of just this is a computer to me,
Speaker 1: and this is a device that I use.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we did is we like it, took
Speaker 3: the CDs, put them in the like disc player for
Speaker 3: the computer, and then I don't know if they went
Speaker 3: onto like an iTunes. I guess there's some place. I
Speaker 3: guess maybe it had to go on iTunes.
Speaker 1: I feel like it had to go through iTunes because
Speaker 1: how else would the iPods.
Speaker 2: I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: So maybe I did have an iTunes account and then
Speaker 3: it went from there onto the iPod.
Speaker 1: Maybe your family just didn't want to buy music, and
Speaker 1: that's what you're associating it with.
Speaker 3: No, because my I don't even think my family knew
Speaker 3: how to operate the majority of.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you were the tech whiz then for the family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to say whiz. That's that's a
Speaker 3: real bold term.
Speaker 1: You were the more tech affluent for the new age
Speaker 1: technology in the house. Yeah, even though that you weren't
Speaker 1: the one plugging in a whole bunch of chords everywhere.
Speaker 1: You were mainly just I want to listen to my
Speaker 1: CDs in my pocket now, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Which was comical that you say that, because I mean,
Speaker 3: I am not a technology person by any means, but I.
Speaker 2: Take figure out how to put the music on my iPod.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Typically you just throw me at the problem when
Speaker 1: it's a technology issue, or in the case of recently,
Speaker 1: we're trying to assemble some albums and so you're just
Speaker 1: plug it in, and I want this album on the
Speaker 1: computer so that way we can stuff do this for
Speaker 1: me pretty much pretty much my go to even so
Speaker 1: I get to it and I have difficulty with it.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get to that age in my life
Speaker 1: where I'm not that up to date on how some
Speaker 1: of the Apple data transfer techniques are, and so I
Speaker 1: just plug in the phone in which I could probably
Speaker 1: just air drop a lot of stuff. But for the
Speaker 1: size of albums that we're trying to put together, I
Speaker 1: don't know if air drop would be the best approach
Speaker 1: to plug it in? Is what I do, and then
Speaker 1: from there, I just have to highlight all the photos
Speaker 1: in the default photo viewer, and it, as far as
Speaker 1: I can tell, in the photo app, it doesn't low
Speaker 1: you to liked albums. So I have to highlight all
Speaker 1: these photos from your phone and then transfer them over
Speaker 1: to a specific curated or created album on the photo
Speaker 1: app on the computer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So even still, it seems like I'm also falling behind
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of areas of tech. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, that's I mean, it's always evolving, always changing.
Speaker 2: It's hard to keep up with all of it.
Speaker 1: Do you remember what your first smartphone was?
Speaker 3: So I had the NV two, which is not a smartphone. Eventually,
Speaker 3: when the NV two came out, it was like the
Speaker 3: one that was like a flat regular phone on the
Speaker 3: front and then you opened it up and it was
Speaker 3: like a keyboard.
Speaker 1: It was like a hot dog bun of a phone.
Speaker 3: Or it was so excited about that phone because it
Speaker 3: was like my first new phone. Because all the other
Speaker 3: phones that I had, I think I had like two
Speaker 3: other like old flip phones, but they did have a camera,
Speaker 3: which was exciting.
Speaker 2: So that Envy two was my first like brand new phone.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the beauty of the NV two if
Speaker 1: I remember it right, it had buttons on the front
Speaker 1: so you can interact with the phone without having to
Speaker 1: open it correct and which is something that Sam Sung
Speaker 1: touts these days with their flip and fold phones, which
Speaker 1: is kind of fine. We've gone full circle there where
Speaker 1: now you can do on the new fold and Flip six,
Speaker 1: you can do so much on the front screen, even
Speaker 1: though it's a small screen on the front, and then
Speaker 1: you can open it up and it's a lot taller,
Speaker 1: a lot wider screen.
Speaker 2: Well, at the time, it was like one of the
Speaker 2: only phones.
Speaker 1: That had a full keyboard, right you would open it up,
Speaker 1: So typically it's just tiny screen on the top and
Speaker 1: then the nine to ten buttons or whatever on the front.
Speaker 1: But with this one, you would open it up, it
Speaker 1: would fold out and now you've got a whole keyboard,
Speaker 1: but the screen. You'd have to rotate the device, right
Speaker 1: because on one side it's the keyboard, the other side
Speaker 1: it's actually a hidden screen. Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2: So I was really excited about that.
Speaker 3: I don't think it classifies as a smartphone, but it
Speaker 3: was my first new phone that I was really.
Speaker 2: Enthusiastic about and had a camera.
Speaker 3: And then I think my first phone after that was
Speaker 3: the Samsung Galaxy.
Speaker 2: I think that was my first smartphone.
Speaker 1: Wow, was that probably like the Galaxy three or something like.
Speaker 2: That, maybe the two. I have no clue. I can't
Speaker 2: remember one of the early Galaxy generations.
Speaker 1: I wasn't paying attention to smartphones at the time, really.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think again, the culture and our upbringing was different
Speaker 1: at that time to where we weren't really thinking about
Speaker 1: the next best thing. It was more of just once
Speaker 1: your phone was due for an upgrade after so many
Speaker 1: years in which these phones would last a while, you
Speaker 1: just you'd go to the at least for me and
Speaker 1: my family would go to the Verizon store.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we did too.
Speaker 1: And then it's just whatever they had there that was
Speaker 1: either covered by your plan or your parents were willing
Speaker 1: to buy you right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we would go to Verizon and then like, no
Speaker 3: prior research, you know before going in.
Speaker 1: Well, why would you go on the internet and try
Speaker 1: to figure stuff out?
Speaker 2: You would just go into the store.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you would fiddle with the phones, so you'd
Speaker 3: kind of like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, they're on their little podium and their little
Speaker 1: podiums blogged in all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd kind of pick one that, oh, this one
Speaker 3: looks cool, and this one has a really good color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your env was Envy two was I think purplish
Speaker 1: paper or something like that.
Speaker 2: It was maroon is the color?
Speaker 1: Oh, maroon?
Speaker 3: I think the options were like maroon or black ew,
Speaker 3: I know, so maroon.
Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, maroon, definitely. Why would you get a
Speaker 1: black like? Yeah, I think all of them were like
Speaker 1: kind of gray or blues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a teenage girl at the time. Maroon
Speaker 2: was you know, that was trendy.
Speaker 1: I remember there's one that I really wanted to get
Speaker 1: because I kept on getting the samsungs as well. I
Speaker 1: had two of the regular classic looking flip Samsungs, and
Speaker 1: then I think I ended up going for something that
Speaker 1: was like your Envy two, which was the double flipping
Speaker 1: Samsung phone that I had. I don't think you ever
Speaker 1: got to see that one, but pretty much you would
Speaker 1: be able to fold it up like a regular flip phone,
Speaker 1: but you could also fold it out, so it did
Speaker 1: both kind of like what the Galaxy fold.
Speaker 2: And flip to I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: So it could open up like a hamburger or a hot.
Speaker 3: Dog, because then you could text, Like if you turn
Speaker 3: it sideways, you had like a keyboard, change to it right.
Speaker 1: And then you'd flip it back down and then you'd
Speaker 1: flip it up.
Speaker 3: I had a double hemps regular keyboard. Yeah, I do
Speaker 3: remember that phone. I don't know if I remember you
Speaker 3: having it, but I do know exactly what phone.
Speaker 1: No, but the other phone I wanted to get at
Speaker 1: the time instead of that phone before I got that
Speaker 1: one was a Orange flip phone. It pretty much was
Speaker 1: like my regular Samsungs, but it was orange, and it
Speaker 1: was touted to be a sporty outdoor cell phone a
Speaker 1: lot more rugged. It could get wet and it would
Speaker 1: not be an issue, but I don't think you could
Speaker 1: submerge it. It probably was. I'd have to look up
Speaker 1: some Internet archives to see what it was. Even with
Speaker 1: like the self or the old flip phones that I
Speaker 1: have here, it's hard to get information for them because
Speaker 1: even if like you put up like the serial number,
Speaker 1: you might not get that many hits on Google or
Speaker 1: bing wherever you use. So even with like that Orange one,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do to try to
Speaker 1: search it up. But anyways, that was my tangent. So
Speaker 1: you went from the Envy two to a galaxy and
Speaker 1: and probably after that maybe another galaxy, or did you
Speaker 1: hop onto the iPhone after that?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I had another galaxy or if
Speaker 3: I went for an iPhone, but I did get an
Speaker 3: iPhone someplace in there.
Speaker 1: Do you remember which one you got? Was it squared
Speaker 1: off or was it curved?
Speaker 2: I honestly cannot remember.
Speaker 3: I think my first iPhone was either the four or five.
Speaker 1: You were with Verizon, so it had to be at
Speaker 1: least a five S for five C.
Speaker 3: In that case, I think it was the five, but
Speaker 3: not the five C because if I've used the color.
Speaker 1: One right, five C, Yeah, maybe the C stood for
Speaker 1: color I forget Drew and Randy would have a lot
Speaker 1: more information on that, So then it was the five.
Speaker 1: They were made out of plastic.
Speaker 2: Okay, I did not have one made out of plastic.
Speaker 1: You had a metal one. Yeah, you probably had an
Speaker 1: S then, or you went to the six, which wasn't
Speaker 1: squared off. It was rounded off, I believe on the sides. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when they did a big jump from what it
Speaker 1: used to look like being very squared off or I guess.
Speaker 1: Originally it was rounded on the back and then square
Speaker 1: on the front, and then they just did square on back,
Speaker 1: square on front for a little bit, and then they
Speaker 1: went to round it on the front and back.
Speaker 2: Too many descriptions.
Speaker 1: They flipped through so many different designs, it's just been insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I stuck with the iPhone, I think for
Speaker 3: a few different phone rotations, like every two years when
Speaker 3: you our plan had its upgrade.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: I stuck with the iPhone, and I had otter boxes
Speaker 3: on all of them because I would drop my phone.
Speaker 2: All the time. They were not as durable as they
Speaker 2: are now.
Speaker 1: No, they're a little bit plastic y now.
Speaker 2: So I had I had the otter box on or.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the ones?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 2: The cases?
Speaker 1: Did they come apart when you dropped them? I forget
Speaker 1: the case, Yeah, I remember with like some of the
Speaker 1: cases i'd buy for my five s they would just
Speaker 1: fly off into different pieces.
Speaker 3: If I was a cheap case, yes, But I ended
Speaker 3: up always getting the utter box because I dropped my
Speaker 3: so many times that I felt it was necessary to
Speaker 3: have something more durable. Plus, my lifestyle at the time
Speaker 3: was a lot of outdoors type things, so it made.
Speaker 2: Sense for me to have a more protective case on
Speaker 2: my phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if I think about it now, those
Speaker 1: outdo boxes were actually pretty pretty durable, pretty durable because
Speaker 1: you had pretty much put like the plastic housing around
Speaker 1: it first, and then you had formed the rubber.
Speaker 2: House the hard rubber.
Speaker 1: It was a whole process. And then also making sure
Speaker 1: that there's nothing trapped between the phone cover casey for
Speaker 1: the screen and the screen on the phone, which made
Speaker 1: it a little bit plastic ear, a little less responsive
Speaker 1: to touch, but at least it kept it safe. Well.
Speaker 3: You could take if you didn't want the plastic like
Speaker 3: bit in there, you could take it out, which I
Speaker 3: think I.
Speaker 1: Did with my for the front, for the last front glass.
Speaker 3: I think I took the plastic y like material out, Okay,
Speaker 3: I think I did on maybe not all of them,
Speaker 3: but I do remember taking it out on at least one, maybe.
Speaker 1: Two of them, okay.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: It would be unfortunately if something got stuck in there
Speaker 3: like dog hair or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd go to blow on it it's not moving like,
Speaker 1: and then you have to take it apart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they were really hard to get apart and
Speaker 3: put back together again, which I don't know if there's
Speaker 3: still like that, I'm going to assume.
Speaker 1: So, but yeah, you're not really rocking the hunter box
Speaker 1: cases anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm not because they started to make the phones.
Speaker 1: More durable, sure, or even just the cases are. I
Speaker 1: guess we go more for aesthetic these days, just because
Speaker 1: the phones are pretty, like you said, durable or at
Speaker 1: least dense to where it's not like if you drop,
Speaker 1: like a flip phone or your Envy two or anything
Speaker 1: like that, the plastic keys would just fly all over
Speaker 1: the place or with glass as it was at the time,
Speaker 1: it was just easy to break.
Speaker 3: Or well, I mean, I feel like I still go
Speaker 3: for durable because you know, like the silicone cases were
Speaker 3: not durable, and that's why I didn't like them, is
Speaker 3: because they were falling apart.
Speaker 1: They weren't they had long, very bad longevity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just they did not hold up to just
Speaker 3: everyday wear and tear. And I don't think I'm currently
Speaker 3: that hard on my phone. You know, it ends up
Speaker 3: in my pocket or like on the counter or in
Speaker 3: a purse, but I'm not throwing at places or like
Speaker 3: doing anything where it rubs a lot.
Speaker 1: Sure. So yeah, and also being a teenager, you're a
Speaker 1: little bit less careful with things, probably true. Even though
Speaker 1: your your parents have now boughten you and trusted you
Speaker 1: with a device that you get to call your own,
Speaker 1: which is very exciting, you still very much had whatever
Speaker 1: going on that day, and it would fly out of
Speaker 1: your pocket it or you'd leave it somewhere or something
Speaker 1: like that, and it would just get beaten up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and then certain so like women's clothing, they don't
Speaker 3: make pockets big enough for you to put your phone in.
Speaker 1: Or just no pockets at all, just no pockets at.
Speaker 3: All, And so then you end up like putting your
Speaker 3: phone in all these like random places to be able
Speaker 3: to take.
Speaker 1: Your phone with you and a purse or a satchel,
Speaker 1: or you just hold it or you hold it, or.
Speaker 3: It ends up like in between like your body and
Speaker 3: your sweatpants or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Right that you have on.
Speaker 3: Because especially with the front, pockets on women's jeans are
Speaker 3: not big enough to hold a cell phone. So now
Speaker 3: the majority of people put them in their back pocket.
Speaker 3: Plus I also think it's a comfort thing so that
Speaker 3: when you bend over, your phone doesn't jab you in
Speaker 3: the abdomen.
Speaker 1: So you typically put your phone in your back pocket, then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's never in my front pocket unless I'm wearing
Speaker 3: like sweatpants around the house. Sure, Otherwise it ends up
Speaker 3: in my back pocket.
Speaker 1: Are you fine with how big phones are these days?
Speaker 1: Like you're fifteen regular? Does it seem huge? Does it
Speaker 1: seem like a decent size? Do you wishoes bigger or smaller?
Speaker 3: I think it's a decent size. I definitely don't want anything.
Speaker 2: Larger than this.
Speaker 3: Part of it is because I like having only one
Speaker 3: hand to use my phone, and if I got a
Speaker 3: bigger phone then I'd have to use two hands to
Speaker 3: press a button across the screen, which I don't really
Speaker 3: want to do, right, So I like having it be
Speaker 3: a one handed device at least for the size of
Speaker 3: my hands and this phone size.
Speaker 2: I'm also.
Speaker 3: I also wear glasses, so having something smaller is also
Speaker 3: probably not ideal. And the other part is I feel
Speaker 3: like I've had the same sized phone, or roughly the
Speaker 3: same sized phone for several years, so I'm also just
Speaker 3: used to the size.
Speaker 1: That it is. That makes sense, yeah, and which it
Speaker 1: kind of has maintained that same size in terms of
Speaker 1: the chassis as far as I can tell it. I
Speaker 1: guess it does inch larger and larger by the day.
Speaker 1: But what they do is they also decrease the bezel
Speaker 1: width on the edges, and which for those that don't
Speaker 1: know what bezel with is being, I think you what.
Speaker 3: It is because it's your screen, Like the size of
Speaker 3: your screen gets bigger and the edges get smaller.
Speaker 1: Right yep, Oh you got it. Maybe some of that
Speaker 1: information has rubbed off on you over time with either
Speaker 1: having drew over or me talking about.
Speaker 2: It, or maybe I just know things.
Speaker 1: Maybe you just know things. Yeah. Wow, I actually wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting that. I was thinking that maybe want things a
Speaker 1: little bit small or something like that, and which you
Speaker 1: kind of you did hint at that, Like it'd be
Speaker 1: nice to be able to fit in your front pocket
Speaker 1: and be able to reach your thumb over to the
Speaker 1: other side of the device without having to grab it
Speaker 1: with another hand.
Speaker 3: I mean I can reach my thumb across. It's a
Speaker 3: long reach, though, and my hand is like severely tilted
Speaker 3: sure to go diagonal across, But the majority of your
Speaker 3: buttons are down where your thumb is anyway. Uh huh,
Speaker 3: So I don't know that I really press anything in
Speaker 3: the top screen. I think the most like that you
Speaker 3: sometimes get is if you're in like a web browser,
Speaker 3: like you need to click something up there, But sometimes
Speaker 3: they'll pop up in the bottom.
Speaker 1: It just depends. I think what's interesting about your use
Speaker 1: case of a lot of Apple devices is your second
Speaker 1: most used Apple device isn't a Mac or an iPad
Speaker 1: or anything else. It's actually the Apple TV.
Speaker 2: The Apple TV. Do headphones count because I do use
Speaker 2: my headphones?
Speaker 1: I guess that as an accessory? Yeah, because I do
Speaker 1: use I was thinking like mainline products that Apple cells,
Speaker 1: but I guess AirPods sell enough. I think it's been
Speaker 1: told that if it was it had its own company,
Speaker 1: it would be one of the most profitable products or
Speaker 1: at least companies out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I do use my headphones for workouts and
Speaker 3: I use.
Speaker 2: Them for calls.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. So maybe the Apple TV is like your third
Speaker 1: most used Apple.
Speaker 2: Product then probably?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Probably? Okay. Do you like AirPods?
Speaker 2: I do like my AirPods.
Speaker 1: Does it satisfy everything that you have as a average user,
Speaker 1: I guess of technology?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I pretty much just listen to music
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 3: I like the feature that you can either have ambient.
Speaker 1: Noise or not sure be able to hear stuff around
Speaker 1: you or noise cancel all of it pretty much.
Speaker 3: Right, Because there are times in my workouts where I
Speaker 3: just want to be zoned in and I just want
Speaker 3: to have my music playing and not focus on anything else,
Speaker 3: and other times where it's like, oh, I should probably
Speaker 3: be a little bit more aware of my surroundings, and
Speaker 3: so then I have the ambient, you know, sound on
Speaker 3: or if somebody's trying to talk to me, but I
Speaker 3: probably do, Like I don't even know if I know
Speaker 3: how to skip if there's a way to skip songs
Speaker 3: on the air pods.
Speaker 2: This is so bad.
Speaker 3: I think I just know how to pause and unpause
Speaker 3: the music.
Speaker 1: Just by clicking on the stem with your I.
Speaker 3: Just squeezed the stem on like my left side, and
Speaker 3: then it pauses and unpauses.
Speaker 2: But I don't really know how to do anything else.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to turn up and down the
Speaker 3: volume or skip songs from the headphones themselves.
Speaker 1: I don't think AirPods can turn up and down the volume.
Speaker 1: But what if I told you, instead of doing one squeeze,
Speaker 1: you do two squeezes, and that's how you skip a song.
Speaker 2: I did not know that because if I want to
Speaker 2: skip a song, I just go to my phone and
Speaker 2: I but to go next.
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, it's not intuitive unless you're reading
Speaker 1: into either the manual or looking in the settings and
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, I think there's even settings for you
Speaker 1: can tell one stem to do one thing and tell
Speaker 1: another stem to do another thing. If you long hold,
Speaker 1: that's another thing. You can long hold on them.
Speaker 2: So my long hold is forgetting the ambient.
Speaker 3: Noise to go on and off, right, I think the
Speaker 3: shorthold is for pausing.
Speaker 1: I think there's a setting the UK justin there where
Speaker 1: it will change it to you talking with the Apple assistant. Huh,
Speaker 1: not to trigger her in our house and all that.
Speaker 1: That's why I call our Apple assistant. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: something I disabled. I think I chose to have both
Speaker 1: of them be noise cancelation mode or ambient mode as
Speaker 1: you like to call it.
Speaker 2: I also don't know how they operate on phone calls.
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean? So?
Speaker 3: Like is like, I don't know if there's a way
Speaker 3: on there to like mute or unmute yourself from the headphones.
Speaker 1: Oh, I monkeyed around with it for a bit. I
Speaker 1: never really messed with the settings, but I tried that
Speaker 1: once and I accidentally hung up on someone.
Speaker 3: Okay, I also don't know how to hang up on there.
Speaker 3: I basically just use my phone as like the control center,
Speaker 3: and then the headphones are just for the audio.
Speaker 1: You're pretty much use them like EarPods in which, uh,
Speaker 1: for those that might not know or at least don't remember,
Speaker 1: the EarPods were the wired version of what the AirPods are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the original headphones that Apple made.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much what I use them for, at least
Speaker 2: in the phone calls case scenario.
Speaker 1: Sure, you're not interacting with anything on the headphones at all.
Speaker 1: It's just on the ice, which it's intuitive and it
Speaker 1: works because the phone is pretty much the everything put
Speaker 1: into one device, right, and especially being a phone, you
Speaker 1: want to make phone calls on it, right, and so
Speaker 1: hopefully it's got the controls on it for you to
Speaker 1: be able to start and end calls and or emerge
Speaker 1: calls or yeah, dialogue. You don't like it.
Speaker 3: For the most part, if you're in a phone call,
Speaker 3: you don't need to look at your phone or use
Speaker 3: your phone in a phone call. So for the most part,
Speaker 3: it's like you make your phone call and then the
Speaker 3: which is where you use your phone, and then you
Speaker 3: don't use it for the length of the phone call.
Speaker 3: And then at the end you can hang up or
Speaker 3: if they hung up on you, then you have to
Speaker 3: do anything.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do anything.
Speaker 1: You're on the phone anyways, probably just to make sure
Speaker 1: that the call is done.
Speaker 3: But so like, there's not like use case unless you
Speaker 3: want to turn the volume up or down on your
Speaker 3: phone call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you know, but.
Speaker 3: Normally if you have a level that's comfortable, then you
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about turning your volume up and
Speaker 3: down so you can hear the person on.
Speaker 1: The other side. Sure, sure, yeah, And I don't think
Speaker 1: Apple there might be a setting in there for turning
Speaker 1: up and down volume, but I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: thing yet.
Speaker 3: I am so at the basic levels of technology use well.
Speaker 1: Like I said before, you're very much an average user
Speaker 1: of technology. You don't have to be the most technologically
Speaker 1: savvy person to use all this available. All these devices
Speaker 1: are products that we have in today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I need to incorporate more technology
Speaker 3: into my life. I think no, it's fine where it's at.
Speaker 1: What did you think of the vision pro or the metaquest.
Speaker 1: When Drew brought his over and I was testing on
Speaker 1: mine for a little bit, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's too much for me personally.
Speaker 3: It's something I don't think I would I don't want
Speaker 3: to say ever use, but the likelihood is very.
Speaker 1: Low, so not really looking like the future uh computing
Speaker 1: or anything else.
Speaker 2: Not for me.
Speaker 3: I think that it would probably be great for other
Speaker 3: people or you know, maybe like younger individuals, probably because
Speaker 3: they're a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Immersed in technology. Sure, But the other thing is.
Speaker 3: Like, unless you hook up what the person using the
Speaker 3: vision goggles or whatever it.
Speaker 1: Is, the VR headset, Yes, the.
Speaker 2: VR headset up to the TV. As a bystandard of
Speaker 2: somebody watching another person use the VR headset, it's a
Speaker 2: I don't want to say bored, but like it's a.
Speaker 3: Little boring to watch somebody else play with a VR headset.
Speaker 3: Versus if you're playing a video game on the TV,
Speaker 3: then other people can at least see what you're doing,
Speaker 3: not necessarily be a part of it, but feel like
Speaker 3: there's still I don't want to say immersed, but I guess.
Speaker 1: Kind of right, that's something that you liked Compared to
Speaker 1: when I was testing out the metaquests. Three. You didn't
Speaker 1: like the fact that you couldn't really see everything that
Speaker 1: I was looking at as much unless I really connected
Speaker 1: it to the TV, which took a lot work on
Speaker 1: my end to get it all connected. But then just
Speaker 1: booting up a video game on the PlayStation or the
Speaker 1: Xbox or the switch or whatever, it was just as
Speaker 1: easy as turning it on and the TV turns on
Speaker 1: its own, or we have to turn on the TV
Speaker 1: and it's easy for you to look at when you're
Speaker 1: walking by.
Speaker 2: That one that's easier.
Speaker 3: The other thing is it's not that exciting to watch
Speaker 3: somebody flail about a room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless they're really getting less they're.
Speaker 3: Really into it, but for the most part it ends
Speaker 3: up being like somebody standing in like a two foot
Speaker 3: radius and their head is just moving side to side
Speaker 3: and up and down. Their arms are not I mean,
Speaker 3: they can be involved, but for the most part it's
Speaker 3: just like a person.
Speaker 2: Standing moving their head.
Speaker 1: Sure, which is.
Speaker 3: Also not very interesting to watch as a bystandard. No,
Speaker 3: and again this is why I don't think this piece
Speaker 3: of technology is really for me. No, or it just
Speaker 3: makes me sound old because I'm not. There's not something
Speaker 3: that I don't know. Maybe I'm just I'm just not
Speaker 3: used to it. Maybe if I grew up with it, it'd
Speaker 3: be different.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's maybe a generational thing. Maybe you
Speaker 1: think Gen Alpha or ever is more in tune with
Speaker 1: that tech, then.
Speaker 2: Probably, But I don't know anybody who.
Speaker 1: Is jen Gen Alpha, I don't think, yeah, or Gen
Speaker 1: Z I guess yeah. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like i'd have to see what the young
Speaker 2: kids are doing these days.
Speaker 3: To know if it's the end thing or not, because
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if it's like if
Speaker 3: that generation is more immersed in it or not.
Speaker 2: I couldn't say sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, our whole spiel is not really tuning into live
Speaker 1: streams on Twitch or on YouTube and all that. The
Speaker 1: closest we get is maybe watching something live on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but otherwise it's all videos that have been uploaded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of whatever that we're interested in that day, whether it's
Speaker 1: funny video compilations on the internet, or some raccoons or
Speaker 1: fish or whatever or something else. But yeah, we're very
Speaker 1: exciting people, aren't we. Right.
Speaker 3: I do see the benefit of the VR headset if
Speaker 3: you could download movies on it, which I.
Speaker 1: Think you can, right, you can watch movies on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for if you are going on a car ride.
Speaker 1: Or a flight or a flight.
Speaker 3: And you know it's gonna be you're gonna be sitting
Speaker 3: for a long time, and maybe you don't want to
Speaker 3: watch what everybody else is or you just kind of
Speaker 3: want to slip away into your own like little world
Speaker 3: for a little bit. I do think it could be
Speaker 3: beneficial for that because in a car, like you know,
Speaker 3: family road trip or something, kids are in the backseat,
Speaker 3: if they're immersed in their VR headset, that means they're
Speaker 3: probably not fighting with each other and they're we're throwing things,
Speaker 3: and they're probably not asking mom and dad like are
Speaker 3: we there yet?
Speaker 2: Are we there yet?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's something that we definitely did growing up, is just
Speaker 1: waiting to get to the destination mm hmm. And there's
Speaker 1: not much that we could do besides just sit there
Speaker 1: and look out the window.
Speaker 2: Right, play like.
Speaker 3: Game car games and things like that which only last
Speaker 3: for so.
Speaker 1: Long, right, or even like not even long drives. It
Speaker 1: could just be like a fifteen to twenty minute drive
Speaker 1: and it's still agonizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But granted, like the VR headsets are expensive.
Speaker 1: So yeah, who was buying a VR headset for that.
Speaker 3: A VR heads like not even if you have two
Speaker 3: kids too and you wanted them to not fight over
Speaker 3: having like one VR headset.
Speaker 1: A Switcher DS is probably a better bet. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: That would be in my you know, experience, that'd be
Speaker 3: like a bougie family if they're having like because even
Speaker 3: the Medicals ones are there like six hundred dollars or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Medicquest three is about six hundred dollars. I
Speaker 1: was thinking the uh yeah, never, you can get a
Speaker 1: cheap one like a Medicquest two for around I think
Speaker 1: three hundred two to four hundred dollars. I think in
Speaker 1: which for the Nintendo Switch Light, which isn't like ours,
Speaker 1: like there's no joy cons. It's one whole unit, kind
Speaker 1: of like a game advance if you're remember those, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think those costs around like two to four hundred
Speaker 1: dollars as well. I'd have to look at the prices again,
Speaker 1: so it might just be in the same price bracket.
Speaker 1: For if you're trying to get something for the kid
Speaker 1: to play with in the back of the car and
Speaker 1: you travel a lot or you have to drive a
Speaker 1: bit to get to your neighborhood to wherever destination, it
Speaker 1: might be worth it to pay that much to either
Speaker 1: have as an entertainment device at home and in the car,
Speaker 1: but not at the destination.
Speaker 3: I guess it just depends on how much you value
Speaker 3: your you know, kids, being immersed in something like that,
Speaker 3: and if you think it's worth it or not, and
Speaker 3: if you have the like extra spending money to do that,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, that's not like a cheap investment.
Speaker 1: So or how comfortable you are having your kid have
Speaker 1: a screen right there less than an inch from their face,
Speaker 1: right or I guess two screens technically, because for the
Speaker 1: VR headsets it's one each yea.
Speaker 2: And growing up.
Speaker 3: There, I was like, don't sit too close to the TV,
Speaker 3: you'll burn your eyes out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And now everyone's just rectangle right to those yikes.
Speaker 3: So I can't imagine it's great for your eyes to
Speaker 3: have something that close to them.
Speaker 2: So I think that's probably an individual.
Speaker 4: Parental choice, you know, Yeah, that must be an interesting
Speaker 4: choice for a lot of people in our age group
Speaker 4: slowly having kids and all that slowly eventually having kids
Speaker 4: and all that making those decisions in which we probably
Speaker 4: sound really old compared to a lot of the audience
Speaker 4: who are listening right now.
Speaker 1: But I mean, we just went through a whole podcast
Speaker 1: talking about old tech and what our experiences were. Like,
Speaker 1: I'll leave this for you kind of at the end
Speaker 1: of this podcast. Are there any questions that you have
Speaker 1: for me at least that you want to put on
Speaker 1: the record of the podcast, or whether you're curious or
Speaker 1: not of what tech that I enjoyed most or how.
Speaker 3: Much more immersed in technology do you think you were
Speaker 3: like versus me. I obviously have limited technology experience, but
Speaker 3: it I mean, you're a gamer and I'm a gamer.
Speaker 1: Well, you like when I met you, you know, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was alluded to the Xbox three sixty. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: definitely valued video games a whole lot more than you
Speaker 1: when we're growing up.
Speaker 3: I mean I never played like a true video game
Speaker 3: until I met you. Liked nothing on Xbox or True station. Well, like,
Speaker 3: I played the DS, but I don't know if that
Speaker 3: really counts as a video game. Okay, Well I didn't
Speaker 3: play anything with like a controller far away from like
Speaker 3: the TV or anything.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean the closest you got was probably a WE.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, the Wei is probably the closest
Speaker 3: even so everyone pray.
Speaker 1: It seems like everyone had a Wii at the time,
Speaker 1: which it was a very it was almost like the
Speaker 1: I guess having like the PlayStation in a way. It
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of people at the PlayStation, mainly
Speaker 1: because it was a DVD or Blu ray player and
Speaker 1: all that, so it's nice to have around as an
Speaker 1: entertainment device. But then also for well, I guess for
Speaker 1: both watching TV and playing video games. Yeah, to answer
Speaker 1: your question, I definitely was a lot more obsessed with
Speaker 1: tech and which kind of shows where I am right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking on a tech podcast right now
Speaker 1: about tech. Well, I guess more of a history of it.
Speaker 1: But I guess I'm dodging the question little. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was definitely a lot more invested in tech compared
Speaker 1: to you. If I were to put it like as
Speaker 1: a number, I would say, you're maybe like a three
Speaker 1: or four when we're growing up.
Speaker 2: Of like level pieces of technology, like how immersed I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of like level of immersion out of ten,
Speaker 1: you're maybe like a maybe like a two or three,
Speaker 1: and I was probably around like a seven. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I wasn't like hopelessly lost in tech, but definitely after
Speaker 1: school every day I would come home, boot up the
Speaker 1: game cube and play Super Mario Sunshine or Mario Kart
Speaker 1: Double Dash or something like that, either with myself or
Speaker 1: with Mom or anyone else in the family or friends. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: what about.
Speaker 3: Like computers did you have, Like do you remember your
Speaker 3: first like your first computer, not your family computer, but
Speaker 3: my first computer?
Speaker 1: Uh well, I was thinking that. I was thinking the
Speaker 1: question was going more towards what was the first like
Speaker 1: computer game that you remember playing? And that was definitely
Speaker 1: something like Putt Putt, Putt Putt's Adventure and all that.
Speaker 1: But uh, my first computer I remember having that I
Speaker 1: got to own was a was it a Lenovo laptop?
Speaker 1: I want to say that sounds about right. It was
Speaker 1: like a silver one. Yours is blue. Mine's a silver
Speaker 1: and which mine was actually a little bit skinnier than yours,
Speaker 1: if I recall, not by much, and it was a
Speaker 1: good laptop. I still have it. I can't log into it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the password is. I'd probably need
Speaker 1: someone who can hack into laptops to get in, but
Speaker 1: who knows. If it still has a lot of the
Speaker 1: data on there, or not, or if at some point
Speaker 1: I messed up on the password and it just recovered itself,
Speaker 1: or not even recovered, it just wiped all the information
Speaker 1: on there, and maybe there's nothing left. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: do remember that laptop. It was a decent laptop, but
Speaker 1: I remember it just felt a little underpowered, and uh,
Speaker 1: what'd you use it for? What did I use it for?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I mean it was at the
Speaker 1: time when I was in like eighth grade, going into
Speaker 1: high school. My mom bought it as a present because
Speaker 1: she thought I was probably gonna it's a new era
Speaker 1: of or I guess a new generation of kids. And
Speaker 1: before you had to I guess for computers. I remember
Speaker 1: going to the computer lab. Yeah, you'd have to go
Speaker 1: to the library or the computer lab or something like that.
Speaker 3: But with.
Speaker 1: Our generation, laptops were becoming a lot more feasible in
Speaker 1: terms of financial purchases, and so I remember my mom thinking, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll probably need this, or it'll be nice for you
Speaker 1: to have this if you need to type up something,
Speaker 1: which I technically didn't need it. There's a computer at home,
Speaker 1: there's a computer lab at the school, right, And I
Speaker 1: wasn't It's not like, I, oh, I need to type
Speaker 1: this under a tree, Like what high schoolers going to do?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Unless like while eating an apple and being studious?
Speaker 1: Oh very much. Yeah, I was that. We were that
Speaker 1: fancy when we were kids, you know, at whatever high
Speaker 1: school we went to. Yeah, so now I remember that lab.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a bad laptop. But I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think I was ready for a laptop until probably
Speaker 1: at the end end of high school, right.
Speaker 3: I think when you start to get into college is
Speaker 3: probably where you need a computer more, at least in
Speaker 3: our generation.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's changed now, but sure.
Speaker 1: Also at our time, laptops weren't that powerful. They were
Speaker 1: kind of just word processors, where if you want to
Speaker 1: do something a lot more interesting, like making a video
Speaker 1: or I don't know, just doing a lot more complex
Speaker 1: things like I guess I made a few stop motion
Speaker 1: videos in my time. When I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: didn't use the laptop. I used the home computer because
Speaker 1: that had all the plugs necessary for the iSight camera
Speaker 1: that we had, or I guess some regular webcam and
Speaker 1: then just using the snapshot feature or some other third
Speaker 1: party software to capture a whole bunch of images and
Speaker 1: then stitch them together. Yeah, the home computer was more
Speaker 1: than enough, where the laptop felt a little bit more limited.
Speaker 1: So even though our laptops had disk drives, they didn't
Speaker 1: really seem that much impressive as a as a memory
Speaker 1: or GPU intense system.
Speaker 3: I think I still typed my homework and things on
Speaker 3: our home computer because you had to hook it up
Speaker 3: to the printer. Right, If you had a laptop, you
Speaker 3: either had to like download a disk and get that software,
Speaker 3: or you had to be directly plugged into the printer,
Speaker 3: which was also a hassle because you had to unplug it.
Speaker 1: And who knows how old your printer was at the time.
Speaker 1: If it was an older printer, yeah, it might have
Speaker 1: a specific plug in, which if you had that specific plug,
Speaker 1: you're more inclined to keep that old computer because that
Speaker 1: means that's how you can still use that printer and
Speaker 1: or that tower or mod.
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, so I think I still used even though
Speaker 3: I had that laptop. I think I still used our
Speaker 3: home computer to do the majority of my assignments on
Speaker 3: just because I needed to print things out. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the time, we didn't really live in a
Speaker 1: we were in a digital age. The dawn of a
Speaker 1: digital age. But it's not like there was a canvas
Speaker 1: portal or whatever online web page that you could upload
Speaker 1: your assignments to.
Speaker 2: Because it was eventually in like late high school, early.
Speaker 1: College, ye, starting to catch one, but at least early
Speaker 1: high school or in our grade schools school, no way,
Speaker 1: that just wasn't a thing you had to You had
Speaker 1: to get the piece of paper from the teacher, take
Speaker 1: it home, fill it out, and then take it back
Speaker 1: or uh, they would give you the assignment on that
Speaker 1: piece of paper, but they'd tell you need to type
Speaker 1: this out on a computer at home or in the
Speaker 1: computer lab, and you'd go into the computer lab or
Speaker 1: the computer at home, type it out, it take a while,
Speaker 1: and then hope that the connection to the printer was good. Right,
Speaker 1: there wasn't anything going wrong with your computer or the printer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your printer had to be shipshape, which, as we
Speaker 3: all know as a society today, printers suck.
Speaker 2: They're still terrible. They haven't improved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say in terms of like the printer game,
Speaker 1: it's like the Hunger Games. But everyone kind of just
Speaker 1: fell off of a cliff. I no one really gave
Speaker 1: an attempt at trying to survive along in this hunger game.
Speaker 3: Printers enrage me. I think that that's the point that
Speaker 3: why they make printers is to enrage people. I don't
Speaker 3: think they actually make them to print things. I think
Speaker 3: they're just made for frustration.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, well, it was the beginning of
Speaker 1: the modern day subscription service because it would work for
Speaker 1: a while, but then you'd have to quote unquote resubscribe.
Speaker 1: In the case of these printers, you'd have to buy
Speaker 1: a new printer or get someone to come and fix
Speaker 1: your printer.
Speaker 3: I know one time when my parents got a pair
Speaker 3: of scissors stuck in their printer and they had to
Speaker 3: have fun come out and get the scissors arms up
Speaker 3: from their printer.
Speaker 2: I don't know how the scisster's gotten there.
Speaker 1: I'm even more confused.
Speaker 3: I don't know how they had somebody like a service
Speaker 3: person come out and fix the printer.
Speaker 1: But now, I don't think I've ever jammed scissors and
Speaker 1: a printer.
Speaker 3: I don't know how they did it, and maybe it
Speaker 3: just slipped down where the paper went in or something.
Speaker 1: But that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yes, But now you can buy a printer cheaper than
Speaker 2: you can buy the ink for the printer so you
Speaker 2: can just keep buying new printers instead of buying ink,
Speaker 2: which is such waste. Something is wrong here. It's not
Speaker 2: adding up.
Speaker 1: On that note, thanks for joining me babe for this podcast.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and thank you for listening this week.
Speaker 1: I hopefully we've got Randy and Drew back for next week.
Speaker 1: We still wanted to get a podcast out to y'all,
Speaker 1: it's just our schedules didn't work out. So we had
Speaker 1: my wife join and it was a fun time.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me all.
Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Have a fantastic day. Bye.