WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:16.359 Welcome to the podcast. Join host Hoho as he discusses 2 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:20.839 the riveting Netflix original series Black Mirror. Now Here he 3 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:28.879 is hoo Berd Broadcasting for Weapon I Saw Production Studio B. 4 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.479 Welcome to Black Mirror Podcast and as always I'm your 5 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:36.799 host ho Ho. Sohi, y'all's doing I hope you're doing good. 6 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.880 I really do, because today we are doing the season 7 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:48.399 seven finale titled Uss Callister Into Infinity. Oh yeah, I'll 8 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:52.240 tell you what. As soon as I heard that they 9 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:56.159 were doing an actual part two to another episode, the 10 00:00:56.280 --> 00:00:59.640 first episode of season four, I was pretty excited about it. 11 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.840 I really was. I mean, this one was, like I was, 12 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.040 I was waiting for this episode. I really, this is 13 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:09.719 the one I was waiting for because I was really 14 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:13.920 curious how they were going to do it, how they 15 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:17.480 were going to continue the story, you know, and I 16 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:20.519 really you know, I mean, even though, like with a 17 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:24.560 lot of you know movies, you see whenever they try 18 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:29.200 to do a you know, a remake or you know, 19 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.439 a sequel to it, so many times we've seen it 20 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.159 just fall short, not as good as the original, and 21 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:44.239 it just it's very disappointing. But this time, considering you know, everything, 22 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:49.680 that we've seen before the past seven seasons of Black Mirror. 23 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:52.560 I really wasn't overly concerned about that, but I was 24 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.519 still curious how are they going to do it? And 25 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:02.359 watching the episode it it did not disappoint. I mean, wow, 26 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:04.879 I mean I was. I just got done watching it 27 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.000 and I was like, dude, that was really good. I 28 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.560 mean it was. It was pretty awesome. You know, so 29 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:13.319 many different things in there. Now, now, look, okay, so 30 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:18.240 oh yeah, by the way, before we get into it 31 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:20.719 talking about any of the discussion points and talking about 32 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:23.919 the series itself, as you know, spoiler alert if you 33 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:29.199 have yet to see USS Callister Into Infinity, and of course, 34 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.280 you know, maybe it wouldn't hurt to watch the first one, 35 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:35.919 episode one of season four again, you know, just as 36 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:40.960 a little refresher, then head on over to Netflix, check 37 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:43.280 out the episode, and then come on back over for 38 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.280 the discussion. All right, So let's go ahead and get 39 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:51.199 into it. Now. Into Infinity picks up three months after 40 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:59.319 the events that happens happened in the original USS Callistra episode. 41 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:04.800 The first episode of season four three months later, and 42 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:10.639 what you are faced with is the crew trying to 43 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:15.000 figure out how to survive or maybe I guess I 44 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.000 should say they have already figured out how they're going 45 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:23.479 to survive in a online game where they don't have 46 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.439 any money, and unfortunately, everything that you want to do 47 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:32.439 is based off of credits, you know, in online money. 48 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:36.879 That's how you're able to you know, I'm assuming repair 49 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:40.560 your ship, go in the hyperdrive. They talk about, you know, 50 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:46.199 other things that's necessary for the crew to you know, 51 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.159 explore the world and continue to survive. And it's like, wow, 52 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.319 And I don't know about you, but this is something 53 00:03:54.400 --> 00:04:01.159 that for me at least, is extremely frustrating because how 54 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:03.919 many times have we played some type of a game, 55 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.639 whether it be you know, a game on our phone, 56 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.000 whether it be a game on our computer. You know, 57 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:16.480 so many times, especially an online gameplay. I mean, it 58 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:22.040 is really hard to do anything just by sheer playing 59 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:25.199 the game itself. You know, so many times, it's like 60 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:28.160 the only way you can really get ahead without you know, 61 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.920 getting your your butt absolutely kicked, you got to spend money. 62 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.800 And not just to me, that's infuriating because you can't 63 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:38.240 just play the game for the joy of playing a game. 64 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:41.439 I mean, if it's not ads, it's you know, you 65 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.439 got to spend money to do something, and for me, 66 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.399 at least, that's frustrating. I don't know if that's the 67 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.959 same thing for you, but for me, that's absolutely frustrating. 68 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:52.959 You know, it drives me nuts, you know, I mean, 69 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:55.040 I know that there's been several games that I've played 70 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:58.000 it's like, you know, you feel like you're not getting 71 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:05.920 anywhere unless you spend some money. And with this one, 72 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:08.639 you know, you're not having any ads that's played to 73 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:12.720 help them out to get credits, to do whatever. And 74 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:18.120 they really don't discuss how to get credits in the game, 75 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.120 although I can only assume, you know, which is kind 76 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:23.519 of weird. I mean, you think that there'd be some 77 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:27.439 kind of quests maybe something of that nature, but they 78 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.319 really don't talk about it. You know, they don't talk 79 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:35.480 about how in the game an average player gets these credits. 80 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:38.079 But what they do tell you is in order for 81 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:42.439 the crew of USS Callister to survive, they have to 82 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.480 get credits, and what the crew was forced to basically 83 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:56.199 do is steal it from other players. That's what they're 84 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:04.160 forced to do, and that I mean, wow, that sucks, right, 85 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:05.600 I Mean, that's the only thing that they can do 86 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.920 to actually survive, to keep fuel in their tanks, to 87 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:16.600 keep different things working for them to actually survive. That's 88 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:21.519 the only option that they have, and it's it's it's 89 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:27.959 kind of unfortunate. But the problem is they're kind of 90 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.040 getting a name for themselves because considering they are not 91 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.600 actual players of the game, they have no gamer tags, 92 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.720 and so they're victims the people whom they rob in 93 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.639 order to you know, continue in the game and survive. 94 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:48.439 They're complaining on these message boards that hey, there's you know, 95 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.720 no gamer tag people in here, and you know, this 96 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:57.879 is cheating a bot, you know, this is a bug 97 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.319 y aalls need to fix this, you need to fix 98 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.680 it now. And they're kind of getting found out, you 99 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.360 know that they're kind of getting found out and this 100 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:11.000 really does, you know, it really does. It causes them 101 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.360 issues at the end of the show, It really does, 102 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:19.279 you know. But they're they're killing people. People are getting 103 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:22.519 upset because you have players that they can't block, they 104 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.319 can't ban them, they can't do anything about them. And 105 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:33.199 the other interesting aspect of this is the crew bleeds 106 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:39.800 and apparently that's something that's not actually coded in the game. 107 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:51.279 There's not supposed to be blood, but considering you know, 108 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.879 it's almost an aspect of considering that everything is supposed 109 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:00.720 to be updated. Why would there be blood? I guess 110 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:02.560 I don't know. That was just a thing that I 111 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:04.480 was wondering. I mean, this was supposed to be an update. 112 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.759 I mean, that's how they got in the actual you know, 113 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:12.319 cloud server in the first place, was through an update, 114 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.800 and so why would that not affect them? But at 115 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.240 any rate, you know, whatever it did, it did right. 116 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:22.839 And then it kind of pans into the real world 117 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.360 and you get an idea of some of the stuff 118 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.720 that's been going on. You find out that the uh 119 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.000 oh what's his name daily, you know, Robert Daly, he's 120 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:38.320 actually dead. And I was wondering about that. I mean 121 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.600 I really was, you know, and I'm pretty sure I 122 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:44.159 actually talked about this in USS Callister itself. But one 123 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:46.000 of the things that I thought was just weird. I mean, 124 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:52.600 you would think that with an obvious problem like that, 125 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.720 that they would have fixed that, you know, figured out 126 00:08:54.759 --> 00:09:02.159 a way to actually, you know, keep somebody's consciousness from 127 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:07.399 being locked into a game. I mean, you'd think that 128 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:08.919 they would have done that. It's like, this is an 129 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:12.759 obvious problem. We got to fix this, you know, duh, right, 130 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:15.759 I mean, we've seen this play out in other episodes, 131 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.360 not exactly you know, the USS Callister itself, but in 132 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.519 other episodes of Black Mirror. We've kind of seen this 133 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.200 thing play out already. And you know, again, why have 134 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.679 that they not fixed that problem? Why would you not 135 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:33.000 think that as an issue? And maybe you should fix 136 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.960 that in the game, right, maybe you should, but apparently 137 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.919 they didn't, or at least in Daly's version or Daily's 138 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:46.159 version of the game. You know, his private server. Maybe 139 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.240 that was something that just he didn't foresee as a problem. 140 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.480 But at any rate, you find out that he did 141 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:59.200 pass away. And then in the real world there is 142 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:10.639 a there is a reporter that shows up and he's 143 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:14.519 wanting to interview Walton, which is, you know, the co owner, 144 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:19.519 well now sole owner I guess, of the Infinity game. 145 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:29.720 And he plays a video. I don't remember what it 146 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.279 was on. I mean, I don't remember if it was 147 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.240 on his laptop, on his tablet, whatever, I don't remember. 148 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:42.679 But he plays a video for Walton, the CEO, and 149 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:50.159 he's asking about the digital DNA cloning device that's on 150 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:56.799 Daily's desk, on his computer where his body was found, 151 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.919 and it's like, you know, this is what this machine is. 152 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.000 He actually knew what it was, he knew what it 153 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:08.360 could be used for. And we find out that basically 154 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:15.080 the device was banned before it ever even got released. 155 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:17.399 So it was like, you know, one, how did he 156 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.840 get his hands on this device in the first place, 157 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:26.600 and why does he you know, why does he have it? 158 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.039 How did he get it? What was he doing? Kind 159 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.039 of a thing, And the other part that I thought 160 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.480 was kind of interesting, which I'll be honest, I didn't 161 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:38.919 really pay much, nevermind to it at all whenever it happened. 162 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.840 But Walton got kind of offensive about that. You know, 163 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:47.360 he really did, because immediately after that happened, he booted 164 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:52.840 him out of his office and he kind of goes 165 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:57.360 off the deep end at that point. Now, whenever I 166 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:01.919 was watching the original USS Callister, you know, Walton was 167 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.720 one of them characters that you know, in the real world, 168 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:10.879 he's a bit you don't like him like at all. 169 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.120 You know, He's just one of those kind of characters. 170 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.679 And the actor who played him did a fantastic job, 171 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.559 really did. And you know, I've seen him in other 172 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.360 things and I like his screen presence. I like how 173 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:26.799 he you know, I like the roles that he's played, 174 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:28.519 and he does a pretty good job, and he played 175 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.360 a really good job in that role, and you really 176 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:35.559 kind of get a different opinion of him throughout the 177 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:40.679 episode because there is a very distinct difference between whom 178 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.320 he is in the game, his cloned digital self, versus 179 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:50.320 whom he is in the real world, two totally different people. 180 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.679 And another thing that I've really thought was interesting in 181 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:02.360 this is well, okay, I gotta get I'm not there yet. 182 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:14.240 But they so they form a plan because they're in 183 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:17.879 you know, they're kind of desperate, right, They're kind of 184 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:22.000 desperate because they're they're you know, the crew is like, 185 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.240 you know, we can't keep this up forever, we can't 186 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:29.000 keep doing this. We're we're going to die. You know. 187 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.799 In the beginning, it was fun, sure, but you know, 188 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:38.759 now it's they're struggling. They're having a hard time keeping 189 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:43.039 the ship going, and they're they're talking about, you know, 190 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.679 going into the air lock and basically dying, you know, 191 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:56.440 deleting their digital copies inside the game, and things are 192 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:00.120 going on in the real world, and one of the 193 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:10.240 designers or whatever he quits and Nanette whom is the captain. 194 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:12.480 You know, her digital self is the captain. She was 195 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.639 the one who really kicked everything off in the original 196 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.919 USS Callister. You know, she's researching kind of what was 197 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.759 going on, and she goes into Walton and she's like, look, okay, 198 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:25.879 so like, I have an idea about who these people are. 199 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.679 And of course she knows a little something about what 200 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:33.360 was going on because it was the digital Nanette that 201 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.080 you know, blackmailed her into going into you know, the 202 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:40.399 whole thing from the original USS Calichier. So she's like, look, 203 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:44.919 I have an idea, but I need access to the 204 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.080 servers in order to you know, track these people down. 205 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.559 So she does that, you know, Walton gives her, you know, 206 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:55.639 full access to do whatever she needs to do. And 207 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:01.799 her suspicion is confirmed because through the you know, a 208 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:07.360 user's gameplay, she sees herself and I'm like, you know, 209 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.600 how weird would that be? Right? I mean, it's it's 210 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:16.399 weird enough in that type of a VR world that 211 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:22.440 it's it's you, right, I mean, you're you're not seeing 212 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:29.080 a digital avatar of yourself. It looks like you, which 213 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.279 so far in the VR movies that we've seen it's 214 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:35.799 always been some type of an avatar that you can 215 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.039 you know, customize, which you know you can do that 216 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:42.279 in this as well. But you know, it's it's the 217 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.159 that that it's an actual digital recreation of you inside 218 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.559 the game and not just a generic avatar, you know. 219 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:56.320 I mean, even on VR, you've got a representation of 220 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.080 you that you can customize, change and whatever, but it's 221 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:02.639 still a digital EVA. It doesn't actually look like you. 222 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:05.200 So I mean, this is actually kind of cool having 223 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:10.679 a what looks like you instead of just a digital avatar, which, 224 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:14.080 so how weird would that be? I mean, they're in 225 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:27.919 this VR world where everything feels real, splitting cutting edge technology, 226 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:34.320 splitting edge, cutting edge technology. But they formulate a plan 227 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:43.519 Nanette does on how they could live because they were like, well, okay, 228 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:49.039 so daily he had this, you know, his own server 229 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.399 on his home network. Now granted that one has been deleted, 230 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.679 that no longer exists, But what if we can actually 231 00:16:55.679 --> 00:17:01.200 get into the source code, build our own universe, go 232 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:04.039 into it, shut the door, lock it on our way in, 233 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:06.400 and nobody else can come in, and then we're safe. 234 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.359 We can do whatever, you know, we can do whatever 235 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:11.960 we want to do. We'll be able to survive. We 236 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:13.759 don't have to worry about getting killed from all these 237 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:16.200 other people. We don't have to you know, steal from 238 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:17.839 them or any of this other kind of stuff. We 239 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:21.119 could just be in our own little world and there 240 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:26.799 you go. So that's what they that's what they decide 241 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:28.759 to do. And they were like, oh, well, crap, we 242 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:31.839 can't do that. There's only two people that have access 243 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.839 to the actual source code because this is where you 244 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:39.039 go to get at the center of the universe in infinity, 245 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:42.119 and oh, we can't do it. We gotta go in there, 246 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:46.720 and you know, we can't do it because the only 247 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:50.319 two people that have access to this is Daily, whom 248 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:55.160 is dead and Walton, whom is alive in the real world, 249 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.599 but he's dead in here, so we can't. We can't 250 00:17:57.640 --> 00:17:59.319 really do that. And then you know, one of the 251 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:01.240 other guy's pipe up and he's like, oh, well, you know, 252 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:03.279 his room is underneath mine, and they were like, oh, wait, 253 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.519 hone up, Wait a minute. He wouldn't have quarters on 254 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:13.759 the ship unless he was alive. At least some part 255 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.279 of him was alive when he went through the wormhole. 256 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:20.200 So all we got to do is find him and 257 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:24.960 they found him, and you know, it reminded me whenever 258 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:30.720 they finally go to the planet, you know, when they 259 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.759 finally go to the planet. The whole thing, I mean, 260 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:38.079 it kind of reminded me of the movie Castaway, you know, 261 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.680 with Tom Hanks. And because he even has his own 262 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.519 Wilson right a rock, his pet rock. I don't remember 263 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.079 what he named the rock. I mean, I know he 264 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:50.640 named it, like, I mean, maybe Rocky, I don't know, 265 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.640 but he named him something and it was his own 266 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.960 little uh yeah, it was his own little Wilson. And 267 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.839 I thought that was absolutely hilarious, very much reminded me 268 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.519 of Castaway. I was like, this is too funny. And 269 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:04.599 then oh there's a hole in the back. Oh don't 270 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:09.880 worry about that. Oh I never noticed. And just oh 271 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.920 that was so funny. Oh that cracked me up, so 272 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:17.400 like ew and oh that's funny. Of course he would 273 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.640 never mind. Yeah, that was just that cracked me up. 274 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:28.720 And then you know, real world you have Nanette and Walton, 275 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.400 you know, and she's like, Okay, this is what happened. 276 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.279 And Nnette tells Walton everything of what happened. This is 277 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:43.160 this is what ended up happening, and we need to 278 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:48.680 go into the game figure it out, and maybe we 279 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:53.640 could we could do something about this. And so they do, 280 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.000 you know, they get there right after, you know, Digital 281 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:00.920 Nanette finds digital Walton. You know, they find and it's 282 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:05.559 all good finding dandy. But the problem is real Walton 283 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:16.200 is in complete cover up mode because with the interview 284 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:21.079 that he had with the journalist, he knows that there's 285 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:31.160 a problem. He knows there's a problem, and basically, I 286 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:36.759 guess it was the real Nanette. It's like, I'll help 287 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.240 you out. You know, I'm talking to the digital self 288 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:42.279 because they you know, they talk, they converse everything of 289 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:46.039 what's going on. Walton tries killing all of them because 290 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.400 he doesn't you know, he just looks at them as 291 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:54.640 digital avatars. He doesn't look at them as real people. 292 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:02.519 So to him, to real Walton, they mean nothing, you know, 293 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:08.359 they don't mean anything. You know, it's almost like they 294 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:12.400 are in PCs in the game. That's more or less 295 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:15.119 what he feels about him. And I don't know about you, 296 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.279 but you know, if I've played any game and there 297 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:20.880 are NPCs in there, I mean it's just you know, 298 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:26.759 they're not actual players. You do stuff to mess with them. 299 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.720 You just randomly do whatever. You know, depending on what 300 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:34.079 video game you're playing, just determines what kind of stuff 301 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:36.359 you can do. And you know, yeah, I mean, they're 302 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:44.160 not real people, they're digital, they're non playable characters, they're 303 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.720 not real. It's a digital recreation. Who cares. But what 304 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.680 he fails to realize and fails to understand, is that 305 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:59.440 these are not just in PC's they are digital clones 306 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.920 that aren't even supposed to be there in the first place. 307 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:10.240 But so he figures that the best way for him 308 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:13.759 to go about it to eliminate the problem is to 309 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:21.200 eliminate the entire crew of Uss Callister. So that's what 310 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:24.279 he tries to start to do until he is you know, 311 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:29.640 his digital self, digital avatar within the game, not digital clone, 312 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:33.519 but the digital avatar. He dies, and of course he's 313 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.319 blown away on how realistic everything seems. But you know, 314 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:41.160 then you know, things happen real Nannette is hit by 315 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:46.880 a car and he's still in, you know, Walton is 316 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.359 still in trying to fix this mode. But by now, 317 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:56.160 of course they have a lead, they know where to go, 318 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:08.240 and then we find out some information because digital Walton, 319 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:14.079 digital clone Walton, you know, he's telling the crew what 320 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:24.680 the actual source code is, and so you get some 321 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:28.759 backstory about this whole thing, you know, because it isn't 322 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.119 just a sequel in a matter of speaking, you're getting 323 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:34.359 a prequel all at the same time, and you're finding 324 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:40.119 out what actually took place. You know, if you know, 325 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:44.240 Walton shows up at Daily's home and he's in the garage. 326 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.400 He's working on this, and apparently they had talked previously, 327 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:50.960 and you know, he's like, dude, this what you have 328 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:58.559 is absolutely amazing. We can be rich. But the problem is, 329 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.400 in order for this to work, in order for this 330 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.839 to really attract subscribers, for us to make money on it, 331 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:09.920 it's got to be bigger. And at the time Daily 332 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.279 only had like, I believe four planets is what he said, 333 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:17.559 and he's like, dude, we need fifty. And you know, 334 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:21.759 they're working in the garage. You know, they're both working 335 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:24.200 on the whole thing. And I'm assuming that Walton's character 336 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:26.680 is more or less working on the you know, the 337 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.079 business aspect of it, and Daily is working on the 338 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.240 actual program itself, trying to get the whole thing, you know, done, 339 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.559 and ready Walton's taked off about how slow everything's taken, 340 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:45.000 and Walton has an idea, and that's where you discover 341 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:50.039 that Walton actually invested in the company that made the 342 00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:55.119 machine to make the digital cluons of people. And we 343 00:24:55.240 --> 00:25:02.960 find out that the company shut down due to, you know, 344 00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:08.279 due to how it was being used and how it 345 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.920 could be misused, and how the people that were being 346 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:16.759 made were like actual digital clones, and it was inhumane. 347 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:20.279 And so it was the whole entire project was shut 348 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.680 down before it even got off the ground, before it 349 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:29.279 ever came into full on development. But Walton had a prototype, right, 350 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:37.519 he working prototype, and he gave it to Daily Daily 351 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:42.519 made a clone of himself, a digital clone of himself, 352 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:50.960 and put that in the core of Infinity, and I 353 00:25:51.240 --> 00:26:00.960 was blown away. I mean, dude, Daily, the whom was 354 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:06.559 mistreated by his peers, taken advantage of overlooked, and you know, 355 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.480 I mean, on one hand, you kind of feel sorry 356 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:17.160 for Daily over what was you know, what he had 357 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:21.720 been through professionally, you know, how people were treating him professionally, 358 00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:27.200 and you really kind of kind of feel for him, right, 359 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:31.039 And I don't know about you, but you know, it's 360 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.319 kind of one of the things just just being honest here. 361 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.720 But you know, would you do anything different in that 362 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:40.480 type of situation? I mean, in a matter of speaking, Yeah, 363 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.200 they're digital clones, but at the same time, it's not 364 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:49.359 real people. I mean, you could easily write that off 365 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.960 in your own head, get revenge, what have you. I 366 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.559 mean kind of therapeutic, right, but I mean you still 367 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:02.279 I mean one, yeah, the person he turned into in that, 368 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:10.119 you know, his his own private server in the game. Yeah, evil, detestable. 369 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.000 I mean, dude, no apology for that guy, but what 370 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:20.880 led him there is like, dude, I can you know im? Yeah? 371 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:27.559 I can kind of okay, And then you get a 372 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:32.200 glimpse of who Daily was before all that stuff happened. 373 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:40.799 You see who he was before the work the job, 374 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.319 and Walton he's kinda you know that now again this 375 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:52.920 is the digital clone of Walton, and he's kind of 376 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.000 you know, he's he's got his reserves about this whole thing. 377 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:03.640 He doesn't go in himself, can't blame the guy, and 378 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:09.440 he's like, okay, go in. But he tells Nenette because 379 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.480 it's Nenette that's going in. I mean, she's a captain 380 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:18.119 after all, right, it's Nannette that's going in. But he 381 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:24.319 warns her, you know, digital clone. Walton warns digital Clone 382 00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:32.799 Tonette that you know, be careful. Daily has been in 383 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:42.480 there since the beginning with virtually godlike powers, and everybody 384 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:46.640 on the crew knew what he was like and knew 385 00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:53.799 that with that kind of solitude for that long, no 386 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:58.279 other human connection, just doing nothing more than the work 387 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:06.720 of building the Infinity Universe, that you know, people go crazy. 388 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.480 And he's been in there for a while, so he 389 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:17.240 already had his reserves, knowing what Daily turned into, knowing 390 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:20.640 what this digital clone version of Daily had been forced 391 00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:25.440 to endure by himself, and do he knew that, you know, 392 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:32.559 there may be issues with this. She goes in and yeah, 393 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:39.960 you get a glimpse of who Daily was. And I 394 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:45.599 don't know what possessed digital Clone to net to do this, 395 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.680 but Daily, you know, it was kind of like, what's 396 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:53.119 going on? Why are you here? Only two people have 397 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.680 access to get into here. You are not either one 398 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.799 of those. Only me and Walton have have access to 399 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.680 come into here. So where's Walton? And where am I? 400 00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.039 And he gets Nannette to tell him the story of 401 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:17.799