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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Sorry for asking.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry for asking. I'm Cold Connor.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Adam Ramsey. This is where we talk, shop,

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<v Speaker 1>ask questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell stories, and laugh some laughs about being creators as

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<v Speaker 2>well as consumers of adult content.

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<v Speaker 1>We love watching too, we certainly do.

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<v Speaker 2>We also discussed the impact adult films have had on us,

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<v Speaker 2>on our guests, and on the LGBTQ community.

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<v Speaker 1>So strap on and strap in and.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this this thing on?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello? Hello? Is anyone there?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello?

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, welcome to Sorry for asking.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Cold Connor and I'm Adam Ramsey. Hi, cols going on,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I guess I'm still like getting I had a

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<v Speaker 2>sinus infection what and then on some fucking antibiotic for

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<v Speaker 2>like a week, even though you know you get better,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have to like finish the antibiotic. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was fucking up my stomach just like I finally

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<v Speaker 2>finished on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but how'd you get a sinus infection?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I think, Well, it didn't help that

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<v Speaker 2>I had a men dot Com scene on a Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>and I had to drive to I had to like

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<v Speaker 2>wake up at six am. And drive down there, do

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<v Speaker 2>the scene, and then drive right back to LA. So

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<v Speaker 2>just like that didn't help. And then it's on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up like, oh no, oh, no, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you feeling now?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm back.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, You're back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back. But I just have like a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a lost voice.

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<v Speaker 1>You look great. I love that color on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you call that color?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say it seeks foam, Yeah, something definitely with see

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<v Speaker 2>in it. I'll say, what about you?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a you know, we're well into spring. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lovely April day. The heat is coming back. My

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<v Speaker 1>party was a hit. Everybody who came to Access Seed

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks ago, thank you all so much for coming.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a beautiful night. My goodness. I am

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<v Speaker 1>just so grateful for the turnout at that party.

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<v Speaker 2>It was super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was super fun. You had a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yet I did go upstairs a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard a lot of people went upstairs that time.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do too much. Yeah, I mean I had

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<v Speaker 2>been tested for a scene, so I couldn't do that much.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>So. You were you were a responsible slutch.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to be.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I like it. I always never responsibly.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know what anybody is doing in between the

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<v Speaker 2>testing and the you know and anybody that they're filming

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<v Speaker 2>with what they're doing, so you have zero control over it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just like do the best you can.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, as a host of a party like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people really liked the music, which I was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's obviously first and foremost for me. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know how good it feels when somebody comes up

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<v Speaker 1>to me and it was like, oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>having the best time at your party. I just like

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<v Speaker 1>a load to the face upstairs, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>The hottest, one of the hottest boys I know came

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<v Speaker 1>to me was like I took three. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you took three at my party. I'm honored. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>honored to serve my community.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not really that much of a dark room.

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<v Speaker 1>Person generally not. I mean, it has happened, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not usually my thing. I like to go up and

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<v Speaker 1>take a look, but especially when I'm working, when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like throwing the party, I definitely I was at the

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<v Speaker 1>Hearth the Winter event. I didn't go upstairs once during

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<v Speaker 1>the event. I was just so busy bopping around and

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<v Speaker 1>doing my thing downstairs, heading up fruit as I do. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't give that away. That's one of my gags.

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<v Speaker 1>But this time I did go up towards the end.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was like there was a moment when I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking around at like five point thirty in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning and the dance floor was packed. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>damn girls, like the sun is coming up and y'all

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<v Speaker 1>are still going. I've done my job.

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<v Speaker 2>I also was like, I went out thinking, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna be a late night for me. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be late, and was it, And it was late.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more of a morning.

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<v Speaker 2>It was yeah, awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for coming and having such a.

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<v Speaker 2>Good thank you. I have to say, because this will

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<v Speaker 2>come out and plenty of time. I'm doing an improv

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<v Speaker 2>show at UCV. It's gonna be called porn without porn.

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<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be half adult performers and then they're like

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<v Speaker 2>including me and then half improvisers. Drew Drogi our friend

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, Tony Genius, Tony Genius okay, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>some other people I need like two more adult people.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds on a Thursday, right, Yeah, I work Thursdays.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's gonna be a lot of fun obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>like it will have scenarios suggested from the audience that

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<v Speaker 2>are like what you would see in a porn but

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<v Speaker 2>we never get to the sex because like, so you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna like improv comedic porn situation. Yes, in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so fun. It's gonna be super fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Will someone record it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure we can get at tape.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope somebody will have.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never done anything at UCB, so I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 2>do cool, amazing. But we should get to our lovely guest.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>He is in town and I'm filming something with him

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<v Speaker 2>for a documentary on Friday. But then we were hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out last night and I was like, why don't you

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<v Speaker 2>come on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I want the last minute surprise guest.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend Daniel, Daniel Gaines.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro Hip Daniel. Yeah, bring that close, don't be afraid close, ye.

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<v Speaker 2>Get out of your mouth. Though difficult, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Not much? Thank you so much for having me here.

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<v Speaker 3>It was I was very nervous, I'll say, especially like

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<v Speaker 3>with with Adham because I was telling someone I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like saw your porn coming out and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>getting into my own sits. This is this is like

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<v Speaker 3>for me, it's a it's an honor to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me more.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a kiss ass? Hey, what that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me have my moment?

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<v Speaker 3>O Connor, Do you remember Cole when I said to

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<v Speaker 3>you the first time I've met you. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember anything I told him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you're you're pretty in real life. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>not that you're not beautiful on screen, but you were

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<v Speaker 3>even more mesmerizing in real life. So I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a kiss ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>We like teachers pet teacher's pet, but we like it cool. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for flattering us both. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>You always look great too. You take care of yourself

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<v Speaker 2>very well.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>On point all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hot, motherfucker? What's going on? What is it? So?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>As somebody who is ethnically ambiguous myself, I like when

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<v Speaker 1>people ask me what is my I like people sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>will be like what are you? And I hate that question,

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<v Speaker 1>So I like to ask what is your ethnic makeup?

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<v Speaker 3>Perfect? You asked the right question, because when people ask

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<v Speaker 3>me that, I'm like, what do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 3>Where are you from?

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<v Speaker 1>Or where are you from? I'm from Los Angeles, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, but you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>M anything right exactly. You know, I do it on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I could be a second third generation immigrant, but I

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<v Speaker 3>still from Canada background. Ethnically speaking, I'm Punjabi. I was

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<v Speaker 3>born and raised in Pakistan. So I moved to Canada

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, twenty fifteen, So you grew up in Pakistan. Wow. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is going to be fun to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously, I'm sure representation in the adult content world,

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably not a lot of people who are Punjabi.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a big thing being South Asian and in the

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<v Speaker 3>industry because there's not a lot of people from South Asia.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's coming up Toronto especially, like I feel, there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many South Asian content creators that are coming in.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how many will actually make it far enough,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're starting off. They're showing interest, so I guess

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<v Speaker 3>states that that's that that that's good. I was really

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<v Speaker 3>shocked to find there was this one Pakistani content creator

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<v Speaker 3>in Texas somewhere, which was Yeah. And the only reason

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<v Speaker 3>I know that is because on his Twitter he has

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<v Speaker 3>the Pakistani flag on it. So I'm like, okay, that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's that's interesting. But I've I've never seen his work.

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<v Speaker 3>All I saw was Twitter, So they're not that many

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<v Speaker 3>people out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I didn't, I didn't. I didn't message him. I

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<v Speaker 3>should have problem, Yeah, I'll do that. But the one

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<v Speaker 3>of my closest friends is also a content creator. His

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<v Speaker 3>name's Roger. He is, He's in He's based out of Toronto,

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<v Speaker 3>and people love our videos together, like it's says like

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<v Speaker 3>brown film together. Yeaheah we we. I did my last

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<v Speaker 3>like third scene with him because people love it and

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<v Speaker 3>we've got great chemistry as well, so it's awesome. We

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<v Speaker 3>started off making the video and we didn't know where,

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<v Speaker 3>how long it will be or what. We just went

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<v Speaker 3>with it. By the time we were done, we had

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<v Speaker 3>an hour and a half of footage.

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<v Speaker 2>My god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so like, okay, we got three videos. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so there is space for that. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that you know is missing from this space, like

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<v Speaker 3>ethnically speaking, but Roger is doing pretty good work. He's

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<v Speaker 3>done a couple of scenes with men dot Com. But

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<v Speaker 3>I do feel like sometimes a studious pigeonhole you and

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<v Speaker 3>in a certain way. So his character was supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be in Onion and so he was dressed in the

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<v Speaker 3>the the Indian like like the sheer one or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it's called. He was dressed up in that. Then they

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to do an all brown guys scene and he

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<v Speaker 3>asked me, He's like, do you want to be my

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<v Speaker 3>scene partner? I'm like, no, I can't. And for me

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<v Speaker 3>it was I can't be that token, you know, brown

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<v Speaker 3>guy that they want for me. I don't know. That

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<v Speaker 3>was just just seemed a little lottery and I want

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<v Speaker 1>Is Yeah, this is definitely a subject that has come

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<v Speaker 1>where like sometimes you know, the fine line of like

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<v Speaker 1>also it's like, you know, let's just make sure we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it for the right reasons. And you know, it's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, you can't really pinpoint exactly what the

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<v Speaker 1>motivations are for certain studios, but you're working. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like you have a big following. Your Instagram following is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty up there. What's going on with your Twitter following?

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<v Speaker 1>I did I did some I did some research, and

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<v Speaker 3>So what happened was that I deactivated my account before

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<v Speaker 3>entering the US because I was scared getting through immigration.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna disable all my social

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<v Speaker 3>media counts. I disabled all of my social media counts.

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<v Speaker 3>Twitter has an issue ofpparently, and I've read up. I

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<v Speaker 3>freaked out yesterday. It was ninety two thousand followers and

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<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, my like forty followers or something. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 3>after you reactivate your account, it takes a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>days for them to fix this issue. It's a known bug.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm still freaking out a little bit. But because

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<v Speaker 3>it's messing up with everything. Weirdly enough, anything I knew

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<v Speaker 3>I post doesn't get to everyone, but the old stuff

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<v Speaker 3>is still circulating and being retweeted. I sent Twitter an

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<v Speaker 3>email already, so that's I'm scared.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I lost mine at three hundred and fifty four. OK. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I hate this is that this is still

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that you have to fear as a traveling person.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he was like last night, he was telling me

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I'm like, doesn't deactivating I mean, like you

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, I didn't delete it. I'm like, isn't

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<v Speaker 2>deactivating the same thing as deleting.

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<v Speaker 3>There's still pretty deactivation and then permanent deletion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's how it works.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so that's what's that. That's what happening with

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<v Speaker 1>So tell us what brings you to LA this time?

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<v Speaker 3>So mostly I come to La. My sister lives here,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's it's always good to see her. I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>close to her, so we get to spend a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of time together. That's why I came to LA. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I started doing collabs because LA is a big

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<v Speaker 3>hub and you get pretty much everyone here anyway, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to go anywhere else. They just kept on

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<v Speaker 3>coming back, and it's it seems like a great place

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<v Speaker 3>to visit and to be. I think last time I

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned to you Cold that I wouldn't mind living in

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<v Speaker 3>LA either, because it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A fun place to live.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fun place to live, and for some reason

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<v Speaker 3>it keeps calling me back. I hate big cities a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people around me, but LA just seems to

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<v Speaker 3>hit the right notes for me. So that's that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about your background. What's your what's your background?

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<v Speaker 1>My background is Armenian. I'm Armenian American. I was raised here.

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<v Speaker 3>So the reason why I'm asking is because i'm here.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was the end of Ramadan, so we have

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<v Speaker 3>kind of came to be good time to come see

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<v Speaker 3>my sister and also do some collabs while I'm at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get to do much work while I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>in Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the thing that we're doing on Friday, what

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<v Speaker 2>that's for a documentary? So what's that all about?

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<v Speaker 3>So they're doing this documentary on gay Asian adult content. Creators,

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<v Speaker 3>and first it was just focused on East Asians and

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<v Speaker 3>someone started suggesting, well, there are other content creators in

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<v Speaker 3>Asia as well, the other ethnicities as well as yeah's right,

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<v Speaker 3>So they reached out to me and I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>let's let's let's go for it. Let's uh, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's basically just trying to catalog and talk

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<v Speaker 3>to us about how we feel as being ethnically Asian

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<v Speaker 3>in the industry because there's a lot more factors for

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<v Speaker 3>culturally speaking, for us, I'm very unique in this sense,

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<v Speaker 3>like IDGF, like I'm going to live my life the

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<v Speaker 3>way I want to. Because I came out at the

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<v Speaker 3>age of thirty two. I didn't even realize I was

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<v Speaker 3>gay when until I was thirty two. The signs were

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<v Speaker 3>all there, but I was in denial, I guess, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I'm not going back into the closet. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty open about everything. But frankly speaking, if I can

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<v Speaker 3>go tell my parents and you know, I'm in the

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<v Speaker 3>adult industry, my sisters know and they're very supportive of it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I wouldn't go tell my parents just because you

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<v Speaker 3>know the cultural.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you out to your parents?

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<v Speaker 3>Ye? You are okay, they live in Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what is the climate around homosexuality in Pakistan?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I wouldn't be the best person to say anything

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<v Speaker 3>about it because I wasn't out when I was there.

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<v Speaker 3>I literally came out and then I moved moved to Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there out people?

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, there.

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<v Speaker 3>Are, but they are. It's very complex society, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's on one hand, you have the freedom do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you want to, but it has to be in your

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<v Speaker 2>They aren't like gay bars.

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<v Speaker 3>They aren't gay bars, but everyone drinks like it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty common to drink, Like weddings would normally have a bar,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know events would have a bar. It's not open,

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<v Speaker 3>but people still do it. I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>my friends were gay as well, and for me that

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<v Speaker 3>was the odd thing. I had gay friends, but I

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<v Speaker 3>still didn't realize I will get much older. But the

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<v Speaker 3>climate is there's always in an element of fear. But

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<v Speaker 3>I know gay couples living together as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's obviously so it's not like an oppressive regime.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not really like it. I mean it's not

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<v Speaker 3>it's I mean I haven't been to Rondo. From what

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<v Speaker 3>we see from the media. It's not like you know

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<v Speaker 3>Irnas all the Arabia. If your head isn't covered, you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be like they're gonna beat you up right. I

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<v Speaker 3>always used to say, like even living in Canada, like

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<v Speaker 3>I love Coldstone Creamery, Canada doesn't have a cold Stone Creamery,

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<v Speaker 3>but packstand doesn't. Okay, So so people like going out.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's pretty vibrant, it's a pretty vibrant economy, and

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<v Speaker 3>people like going out. But it's just it's just done

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<v Speaker 3>in a seemingly dry manner.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you attribute your late coming out process to?

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<v Speaker 3>Just lack of exposure to to to the gay culture

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<v Speaker 3>like or to people in a in a more meaningful

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<v Speaker 3>way you.

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<v Speaker 2>Had like no like gay mentors.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly, And I didn't realize. And then

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<v Speaker 3>when I realized, when it clicked in my mind, like

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<v Speaker 3>oh now so many things mate, it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>What caused that click was the flick of the dominoes

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<v Speaker 1>social media?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, way back when thirteen fourteen, when I when

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<v Speaker 3>I first started my Instagram, like I had at that

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<v Speaker 3>point in time, I had like eight point five koff followers.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody had that many and then I had to delete

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<v Speaker 3>that account because one of my exes didn't like me

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<v Speaker 3>having a big social.

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<v Speaker 2>Media algorithm taught him what he would like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so wait, what your ex girlfriend or something?

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<v Speaker 3>No, not my This was an ex, like a first

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<v Speaker 3>see he didn't like me having social media. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so I started getting attention from guys on on social

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<v Speaker 3>media and that I liked it. And then I started

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<v Speaker 3>talking to this one guy and who's actually from La.

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<v Speaker 3>Oddly enough, I started talking to him and we kind

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<v Speaker 3>of hit it off, and then I'm like, okay, now

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff makes sense. Went into therapy. I

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<v Speaker 3>was married and have two kids. Oh wow, So then

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<v Speaker 3>I went to therapy. Then I told my ex, well

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<v Speaker 3>she was my wife. Then I told her my ex

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<v Speaker 3>wife is a very interesting person. She's very loving. So

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<v Speaker 3>the first thing she said to me, she's like, hold on.

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<v Speaker 3>She grabbed me by the arm. We went into the

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<v Speaker 3>Lights a cigarette up takes a couple of puffs and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just sitting there and waiting what she's going to say. Next.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, you know what, you need to move to

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<v Speaker 3>Canada right now because you're not going to have a

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<v Speaker 3>life here. Wow, the first thing she said to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet what an act of kindness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean she hit the fan afterwards. But we

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<v Speaker 3>were together for sixteen years, so we were a high

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<v Speaker 3>school sweetheart and I was in love with her. I

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<v Speaker 3>was actually attracted her. It wasn't. It wasn't, which made

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<v Speaker 3>this all the more confusing. But yeah, so that's what

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<v Speaker 3>she said. And then it was yeah, but she's still

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<v Speaker 3>a very close friend of mine. Okay, I rely on her.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going through a recent breakup and I called

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<v Speaker 3>her up and I told her about it, and like,

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<v Speaker 3>lingering stuff, but we're really good. I mean, she's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the closest people I have in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Does she know what you're up to these days? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very open with I'm very open with everyone. I

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't mention it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, how about your kids? Were what's the story

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<v Speaker 1>with the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>So my older one is going to start college this yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait rewind hold man, when did you get married?

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<v Speaker 1>You said he was there a high school sweethearts and

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<v Speaker 1>six we got married. Okay, what is your can I ask?

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not hot. You know you shouldn't ask

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<v Speaker 1>a lady her age? Are you?

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<v Speaker 3>What is your four?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you look amazing, well done, excellent, thank you? Cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I can feel it, sure, feel it in my bones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we all feel it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right right, right, Well that's okay. So you have

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<v Speaker 3>And a younger one who's turning twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Turning twelve, Okay, that was quite an age difference. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and do they know that you are? Do you identify

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, then they know that they were. Actually, my younger

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<v Speaker 3>very close to him. And my younger one is also

428
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<v Speaker 3>kind of weird interesting because in his mind, because he

429
00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.079
<v Speaker 3>was I think a year and a half when his

430
00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.039
<v Speaker 3>mom and I split up, he didn't have those perceptions

431
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<v Speaker 3>of that a man and a woman make a make

432
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<v Speaker 3>a family repairs. He never had that preconception in his mind,

433
00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:23.920
<v Speaker 3>which was very, very interesting because he accepted my ex

434
00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.640
<v Speaker 3>way is he knew. I didn't even have to tell him.

435
00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.000
<v Speaker 3>At one point He's like, oh, yeah, you have you

436
00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.880
<v Speaker 3>have him here, he's your special friend I did. I'd

437
00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.480
<v Speaker 3>never mentioned it. Yeah. My older one, on the other hand,

438
00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:38.640
<v Speaker 3>completely ignored it and wasn't denial. He got on when

439
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<v Speaker 3>I kissed my my ex and that's when he and

440
00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:42.480
<v Speaker 3>they went back home and to his mom he's like,

441
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<v Speaker 3>is baba gay?

442
00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:50.079
<v Speaker 2>So what was the moment that made you say porn

443
00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:51.920
<v Speaker 2>is something I want to do?

444
00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Whoa unemployment? Does that paying the bills?

445
00:19:58.039 --> 00:19:58.079
<v Speaker 1>No?

446
00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I got laid off at the second time in a

447
00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:02.200
<v Speaker 3>year I think or a year and a half, and

448
00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.279
<v Speaker 3>I was like, why am I not doing this? Like

449
00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.559
<v Speaker 3>I need a backup. I started off. Then I found

450
00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.079
<v Speaker 3>another job, which is also contractual. I'm like, okay, there's

451
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<v Speaker 3>no security here. And thank god that ended in five

452
00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:16.160
<v Speaker 3>months too and I had something to fall back on.

453
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<v Speaker 3>Then the current job that I'm working at, which is

454
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<v Speaker 3>it's my dream job. In fact, when it came I

455
00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:23.759
<v Speaker 3>was like should I stop it? And people asked. My

456
00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:26.039
<v Speaker 3>friends were also like, why don't you stop doing pornaw?

457
00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.559
<v Speaker 3>I say, it's all out there and it's it's literally

458
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<v Speaker 3>my sweat and maybe blood as well, and and some

459
00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:39.960
<v Speaker 3>years as well well. Sometimes so I'm like why, why

460
00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:42.440
<v Speaker 3>why not continue doing this? It's my business. I take

461
00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:44.279
<v Speaker 3>a lot of pride in it. It's my business. It's

462
00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.839
<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's my image, it's my brand, like I

463
00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:48.920
<v Speaker 3>need to. I invest in it all the time, and

464
00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.240
<v Speaker 3>people don't just because it's sex, people don't see it

465
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<v Speaker 3>that way. I was watching this real the other day

466
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<v Speaker 3>by this really big bodybuilder guy who was like straight

467
00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.880
<v Speaker 3>bodybuilder guy was talking about, oh no, doing only fans

468
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<v Speaker 3>is the easy way out, Like for you, does this,

469
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<v Speaker 3>bitch know how much work goes into There's so much

470
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<v Speaker 3>work that goes of course, because it's your work, it's

471
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<v Speaker 3>your business. Everything requires effort. You can just sit and

472
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<v Speaker 3>twiddle your something and the only fans is done.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Ray.

474
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

475
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<v Speaker 2>As performers in the adult industry, we get asked all

476
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<v Speaker 2>the time about tips on how to perform like a

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<v Speaker 2>porn star.

478
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<v Speaker 1>And what says porn star more than a big load?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So did you start doing the content sites before you

495
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<v Speaker 2>used to do any studio stuff?

496
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<v Speaker 3>I have never done studio You've never done it? Nope?

497
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Do you have an interest in studio stuff?

498
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:28.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm a little weary about studio stuff because here's

499
00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:31.680
<v Speaker 3>the thing. You know that the cheesy intro before for

500
00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:34.039
<v Speaker 3>I feel I would be so bad at it because

501
00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:39.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm not an actor, Like, yeah.

502
00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.079
<v Speaker 1>A lot of times, not every studio, not every studio

503
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<v Speaker 1>does that.

504
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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually interestingly that I was speaking with the one

505
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<v Speaker 3>of the studios a couple of weeks ago, and they

506
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<v Speaker 3>wanted to take me on. But one of the reasons

507
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<v Speaker 3>I loved, I would have loved to work I would

508
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<v Speaker 3>love to work with them is the fact that they

509
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<v Speaker 3>don't have the like introduction where you know, you need

510
00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.440
<v Speaker 3>to set the stage for something. It's just like it's

511
00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.759
<v Speaker 3>it's just actual fucking. So I would find that.

512
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<v Speaker 2>I guess I thought, I feel like you would do

513
00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:05.599
<v Speaker 2>well with like Lucas Lucas Man.

514
00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:07.279
<v Speaker 3>I contacted him.

515
00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.079
<v Speaker 1>He don't push that studio.

516
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel like he's just I feel like it's

517
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<v Speaker 2>like I feel.

518
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<v Speaker 3>Like the I mean, apart from I would never work

519
00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.079
<v Speaker 3>with him at but I did did approach him at

520
00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.720
<v Speaker 3>the beginning, and he was interested. I just didn't pursue

521
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<v Speaker 3>it further. And I'm glad I didn't. I mean, keeping

522
00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:26.200
<v Speaker 3>this like a non political but like I don't want I.

523
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<v Speaker 2>Mean, I'm only talking about the aesthetic of it. I'm like,

524
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<v Speaker 2>I don't care. He could be a Zech whatever.

525
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<v Speaker 3>No, we're all we're all dicks at some and you know,

526
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.240
<v Speaker 3>and and and we we are dicks and we have dix.

527
00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like that's that's the thing. But I mean,

528
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:45.279
<v Speaker 3>that's tricky territory man, not even tricky, Like, that's not tricky.

529
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.799
<v Speaker 1>So then you're telling us that, like social media was

530
00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:53.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of your first exposure to homosexual, gay queer culture.

531
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.160
<v Speaker 1>But what about your exposure to porn and your exposure

532
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:58.240
<v Speaker 1>to adult content?

533
00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:01.319
<v Speaker 3>Like what was this is interesting because Okay, despite not

534
00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:04.039
<v Speaker 3>realizing that I was gay, I mean again, I don't

535
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:06.480
<v Speaker 3>know where I which hole I was living under. Since

536
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.000
<v Speaker 3>the age of sixteen, I exclusively watched gay porn.

537
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you have easy access to it? Yeah, like there

538
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.839
<v Speaker 1>were no internet restrictions or anything like that.

539
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, I think now the restrictions are way more

540
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.799
<v Speaker 3>than we had grown up, which is odd for me.

541
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.119
<v Speaker 2>We just couldn't download anything fast enough.

542
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:27.279
<v Speaker 3>So true, yeah, true, it was just like I exclusively

543
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.720
<v Speaker 3>watched gay porn and it was weird for me to

544
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Obviously I was with my ex wife at that point

545
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:33.960
<v Speaker 3>in time as well, but the gay.

546
00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:35.319
<v Speaker 1>So when you were having sex with your wife, you

547
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>were thinking about the gay porn.

548
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:40.000
<v Speaker 3>You were watching. No, no, but again I hope she

549
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.160
<v Speaker 3>doesn't watch, but I do remember there were a few

550
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.119
<v Speaker 3>times where I had sex with her and I came

551
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.480
<v Speaker 3>but then I had to go into the bathroom and

552
00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 3>watch gay porn and come again, wow, because I wasn't satisfying.

553
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Sure huh, but yeah, fascinating. I love stories like this.

554
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Some I know dick and butts, yea, the best dick

555
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:04.519
<v Speaker 3>in butts.

556
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.119
<v Speaker 1>What would I do without him? What were you without them?

557
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:07.960
<v Speaker 1>What do you?

558
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.640
<v Speaker 2>What do you say you identify as gay or by?

559
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.160
<v Speaker 3>I would say, like, I'm more on the pan sexual side.

560
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.640
<v Speaker 3>I was. I was mentioning to you that I'm actually

561
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.759
<v Speaker 3>seeing a woman these days. Yeah, so that's been interesting. Now,

562
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:23.880
<v Speaker 3>I guess I hadn't slept with a woman in a decade,

563
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.000
<v Speaker 3>and the sex was amazing, and we have a very

564
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.960
<v Speaker 3>good connection. Her and I are very similar, Like we

565
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 3>were just talking on the way here, and I'm like, dude,

566
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.279
<v Speaker 3>we are so much alike, Like we just think the

567
00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Speaker 3>same way. And there's something to be said about that connection.

568
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.680
<v Speaker 3>If you want me to percent honest, I will always

569
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.200
<v Speaker 3>be attracted to men more like, way more than I

570
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 3>would the women.

571
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:46.799
<v Speaker 1>Are you transparent with her about that? Yeah? Okay?

572
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.279
<v Speaker 3>Actually I actually I actually was explained to it. I'm like, okay,

573
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.079
<v Speaker 3>if you have buckets of satisfaction like different, So there's

574
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:55.480
<v Speaker 3>a sexual satisfaction there's emotional, mental, you know, other kind

575
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.319
<v Speaker 3>of satisfaction. I'm with you, it's like pretty much all

576
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:02.000
<v Speaker 3>of them are like equally high. But maybe with a

577
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 3>man it might be like it's it's the sex part

578
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:07.920
<v Speaker 3>is Yeah, maybe that that text, but the other ones

579
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:10.160
<v Speaker 3>are not that fulfilled. And I kind of like it

580
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 3>that way, Like I don't. I was telling you about

581
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.240
<v Speaker 3>this as well, I don't like relationships because it's it's

582
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.799
<v Speaker 3>good to have that kind of freedom the way you are.

583
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.799
<v Speaker 3>But like these last couple of months have been challenging

584
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:22.759
<v Speaker 3>the way I've been thinking.

585
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:26.039
<v Speaker 2>It's challenging because you're in a relationship. Now.

586
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:28.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm in a relationship with a woman with a woman.

587
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Right before this, I was actually I had fallen in

588
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<v Speaker 3>love with someone and it was just mentally devastating for me.

589
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:37.519
<v Speaker 3>And after that, I was like, I'm going to take

590
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:39.880
<v Speaker 3>a like a back seat. The good thing with the

591
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.599
<v Speaker 3>woman is that she understands everything she knows about the

592
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 3>porn and the stuff. Yesterday she was having a really

593
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<v Speaker 3>tough time with understanding that I'll be sleeping with other

594
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 3>men yeah for collabse So she was very upset. But

595
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 3>but I mean I talked through this stuff and that's fine.

596
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Like I want to be as transparent with her as

597
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:58.279
<v Speaker 3>possible and then she can make a decision. Hey, this

598
00:26:58.359 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 3>is who I am. Do you want to be with

599
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<v Speaker 3>this or not?

600
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Do you see her exploring with you?

601
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.799
<v Speaker 3>I've suggested it so many times because she's she's she's

602
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:11.240
<v Speaker 3>she's bisexual too. Yeah, so she's she was with a

603
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.039
<v Speaker 3>woman for like three years. I find that very intriguing

604
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:16.359
<v Speaker 3>and I find that very interesting. But I was joking

605
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 3>with her right now. Apparently there's some guy in her

606
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 3>building whom someone one of her friends suggested she should

607
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.640
<v Speaker 3>sleep with. And I've seen the guy. He comes to

608
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:24.920
<v Speaker 3>the gym. I'm like, let's do a threesome, like I'm

609
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 3>I or try him out and tell me and then

610
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 3>we can see where we go.

611
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that you guys will be open, like

612
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 2>she'll no, No, I don't think so, so only.

613
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 3>Collapse only collabse. So so well, we kind of left

614
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.039
<v Speaker 3>it at at a weird point. Today, She's like, what

615
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 3>do you want to do. I'm like, I'm I'm like,

616
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 3>I just go with the flow. Like yeah, so, so

617
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, maybe I need to sleep with someone outside

618
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.079
<v Speaker 3>of my collabse for you to understand what it might

619
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 3>feel for you. So I'm not going to do that.

620
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:01.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm probably just gonna go tell her, hey, I stept

621
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 3>with someone and see what her reaction is from there

622
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:06.160
<v Speaker 3>and take it from there. She needs to know, like

623
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.039
<v Speaker 3>she needs to know what her feelings would be if

624
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.799
<v Speaker 3>I did sleep with someone, just because we're we're setting

625
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.880
<v Speaker 3>boundaries for our relationship right now. And it's very odd

626
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 3>for how many people do you know? How many women

627
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.880
<v Speaker 3>do you know who, like, apart out of the industry,

628
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.279
<v Speaker 3>who would be dating a gay porn actor?

629
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Right? It exists?

630
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 3>It exists. It exists, yeah, outside the industry, Like she's

631
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:28.599
<v Speaker 3>not in part of the industry.

632
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Does this person live in Canada where you live? Okay? Okay,

633
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I would. I'm getting a little bit of

634
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<v Speaker 1>like people please er vibes. Do you have a people

635
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>pleaseer streak? Yeah? Okay, okay, So let's talk about this

636
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. So it sounds like you are in

637
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>this relationship, but you are also like kind of still

638
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>coming into your gay side or like the side of

639
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:54.680
<v Speaker 1>you that it likes to experience pleasure with men. Is

640
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<v Speaker 1>it enough for you to get that from the collapse?

641
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.119
<v Speaker 1>How long has it been in this arrangement.

642
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:01.839
<v Speaker 3>After my last like breakup with the guy like that,

643
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's one of the things that that's

644
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 3>actually I feel now like I think I'm very okay

645
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 3>with sleeping with guys and doing collabs or collabs and

646
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 3>just sleeping with someone and that being it. I like

647
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 3>that I'm not a dick, like I'll be very nice

648
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 3>to someone. I'll be I'll be the perfect guy when

649
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 3>we're together. But I like having my space, I like

650
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 3>having my own life, and I have so many other

651
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:22.880
<v Speaker 3>things that I need to take care of. Honestly, the

652
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:24.640
<v Speaker 3>work that we do is not easy. There's a lot

653
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:26.519
<v Speaker 3>of self work that you need to do. There's a

654
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.160
<v Speaker 3>lot of focus that you need to do. I was

655
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 3>getting upset with her as well. Today. I'm like, listen,

656
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:33.400
<v Speaker 3>I need so much to focus on and you're kind

657
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:35.200
<v Speaker 3>of taking my focus away from all the other stuff.

658
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 3>I was getting a little bit annoyed. So during this

659
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.759
<v Speaker 3>works best for me not to get too involved with someone. Also,

660
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.359
<v Speaker 3>I suffer from a host of mental health issues, one

661
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 3>of them being borderline personality disorder, which means that I

662
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 3>feel emotions in a much higher intensity than most other

663
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 3>people do, so The problem with that is, and that's

664
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.279
<v Speaker 3>what happened when I fell in love with this guy

665
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 3>whom I just met for twenty four hours, was that

666
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.839
<v Speaker 3>it just like it overwhelmed me my brain so much

667
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't think of anything else. And I after the breakup,

668
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.400
<v Speaker 3>I was literally in bed for two weeks staring at

669
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.279
<v Speaker 3>the ceiling, didn't go into work, did barely anything now

670
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 3>catching up on that. But yeah, so I prefer that

671
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.880
<v Speaker 3>arrangement where it's not too intimate. I can I can

672
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 3>control myself, and I don't. My brain doesn't get overwhelmed

673
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:20.640
<v Speaker 3>with feelings.

674
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 2>That's why dating a woman feels like a safe thing

675
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:24.799
<v Speaker 2>for you.

676
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Very stute yes, oh oh, unpacked that a little bit.

677
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.440
<v Speaker 2>How do you like, maybe you're somebody that gets emotionally

678
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 2>involved in your sexual pleasure and like, so what you

679
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.279
<v Speaker 2>really prefer is sex with a man. But then like

680
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you fall for that guy easily, that is maybe just

681
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:45.759
<v Speaker 2>like just.

682
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.119
<v Speaker 3>No, I wouldn't follow the fall fall for anyone. Like literally,

683
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:50.920
<v Speaker 3>this was the fourth time in my entire life that

684
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 3>I've actually fallen in love with someone. So that doesn't happen.

685
00:30:54.079 --> 00:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>But you can maintain more control.

686
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Exactly because you're getting more emotional nourishment.

687
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 3>More emotional nourishment. There's less like internal drive involved in

688
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 3>that aspect, like with with with, like with guys that

689
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 3>I would really fall for, I could really like, I

690
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 3>would be a complete basket head in front of.

691
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>The like it was like the passion you had, like

692
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>passion head, Yeah, passion head.

693
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, don't get me wrong. Like they're they're guys I

694
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.359
<v Speaker 3>will meet, they'll guys. There will be guys that I

695
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.240
<v Speaker 3>see and I'm like, yeah, I would, I wouldn't mind.

696
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't mind dating them. But like you, I wouldn't

697
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:32.240
<v Speaker 3>mind dating you.

698
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:34.599
<v Speaker 2>We had yet you've never asked.

699
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 3>And you know, one of these reasons I would I

700
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't mind dating him is because he is so independent.

701
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Uh and and that's that it would be. It would

702
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 3>be perfect, Like you'd have your own separate life. I

703
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.480
<v Speaker 3>would have my own separate life. Very okay with that.

704
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 3>But the feeling of love is a very different kind

705
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 3>of feeling, like I don't feel loved yet Towards the

706
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.519
<v Speaker 3>girl I'm dating right now, it's a much more controlled

707
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 3>than she was saying this is she's like, you're like

708
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 3>a fucking robot. You're you're You're you're like thinking through

709
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.119
<v Speaker 3>everything and planning through everything. I'm like, yeah, I'm just

710
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 3>trying to manage feelings and expectations and more sensible in

711
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 3>adult way.

712
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>So how is that going up the flow?

713
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>That's diffic especially if you value independence.

714
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 3>It's not easy. I'm still figuring this, I know. Yeah,

715
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to figure this out as well. And she's

716
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 3>been busting my balls all morning about sharing, like you

717
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:25.880
<v Speaker 3>said this, but you said this right now. I'm like,

718
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 3>oh my.

719
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>God, like I'm two people. I told you that.

720
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 3>I told you I mental health issues. No, but but

721
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm figuring it out as well. Like It's the weird

722
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 3>part is that I spent the last ten years trying

723
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:43.839
<v Speaker 3>to prove how fucking.

724
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Gay I was trying to prove it.

725
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in the sense like you know, like because when

726
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 3>I came out my obviously I told you what my

727
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.759
<v Speaker 3>ex wife said, but then afterwards she was she didn't

728
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:55.880
<v Speaker 3>want it to end because we've been together for sixteen years.

729
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 3>It takes a lot to uncouple from that, right, So

730
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.680
<v Speaker 3>I had to actively prove how gay I was. My

731
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 3>mom was like, you need to go to therapy and

732
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, get this fixed. I'm like it's not something

733
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 3>that's gonna go away with therapy and actively like work

734
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 3>to prove how. Yeah, I can convince people.

735
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 1>What did that look like? I mean, prayed around with

736
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>a rainbow flag.

737
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:26.039
<v Speaker 3>I've done that, or or accidentally take a selfie with

738
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:26.799
<v Speaker 3>a dilda in the back.

739
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, leave a vibrator all sticky. Yes, yes, I'm gay.

740
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.880
<v Speaker 3>But after all of that, this was like, it's just

741
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 3>very odd for me. So I'm still learning as well.

742
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.279
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I might make statements that might be contradictory

743
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 3>to each other, but I'm working through this as.

744
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, a walking contradiction.

745
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What was some of the porn you like to

746
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>watch back in the day yours?

747
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for taking I mean it.

748
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.519
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like you've been watching for long than I've been

749
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>in porn.

750
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is true. One of your videos I loved

751
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 3>it was a construction site or something. Yes, that was

752
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 3>so fucking hot.

753
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Like I used to watch that all middle easing for

754
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>you to like interesting, never talk never you never put

755
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that together.

756
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 3>No, but I think it was more of it's not

757
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 3>being middle. It's not the color of the skin or

758
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:27.400
<v Speaker 3>the features. It's specifically, I mean, you're fantastic. You're you're

759
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 3>amazing looking. So the looks, the hairy chest, the arms,

760
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.719
<v Speaker 3>the beard, and same for Sharrock as well. Right, he's

761
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 3>also pretty much the same. And then I think one

762
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 3>of my favorite parts of that entire video, which I

763
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 3>would loop over and over again, is that he kind

764
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:43.159
<v Speaker 3>of I think he pins you back and then licks

765
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 3>your armpits or something, and that's that's I love doing

766
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 3>that as well. So that was super hot for me.

767
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, and that was that was on repeat,

768
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 3>So that that's one that really stuck out for me.

769
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>There was another way you really didn't think about it,

770
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>like in terms of like really to being from that

771
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 1>part of the world. No.

772
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Interesting, It's it's odd that you say that because I

773
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 3>don't really and people do, but I don't relate in

774
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 3>that sense. I have a very weird real thinking.

775
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I only asked because, like you know, I've

776
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>had some people who are like, you know, Swana or

777
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Middle Eastern or whatever you want to say, however you

778
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>want to say it. Have you heard that term? That's

779
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>when I learned recently Swana it means Southwest Asian and

780
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 1>North Africa. Don't use they're trying to do away with

781
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Middle Eastern as a concept because it's but like even

782
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 1>though I understand Middle East, like in the middle of

783
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the Eastern hemisphere, just like, did you know that Midwestern US,

784
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what that means. It's not the Midwestern United States,

785
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>it's the Midwestern hemisphere because like if you think about it,

786
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 1>because like Ohio is not west Yeah, right, yeah, anyway,

787
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>non sequito. But I have had a lot of people

788
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 1>say that it made them feel very safe to explore

789
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>their sexuality because they awesomeone that looked like them engaging

790
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.320
<v Speaker 1>in something like the scene that you are describing.

791
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.760
<v Speaker 3>And that didn't hold true for me in that moment. Okay,

792
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.800
<v Speaker 3>it was just too fucking hot, and I was just

793
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 3>like slurry love it, you know, but somewhere somewhere, But

794
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 3>people do, like that's one of the reasons I was

795
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.960
<v Speaker 3>telling you about South like myself and rage when we filmed.

796
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 3>That's that's the thing that's where they find that that comfort.

797
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're doing something for the community.

798
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.639
<v Speaker 3>It's really special. And and and I don't know if

799
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 3>you've Magic Mike, the congregator in San Francisco. I met

800
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.440
<v Speaker 3>with her. He's the story. He does like you have

801
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.639
<v Speaker 3>to hear him say, is growing up, I couldn't find

802
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 3>like anything online like brown guys, and he has a

803
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.440
<v Speaker 3>huge tool, like huge, huge tool and that is complex

804
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.039
<v Speaker 3>for for I mean all over the world, not just

805
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 3>for brown guys, but that's huge, and you can he

806
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 3>felt very complex that he felt he was odd and

807
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 3>he was he was not. He didn't fit in anywhere.

808
00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 3>That takes a toll on you. So so when if

809
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.000
<v Speaker 3>you have more people like brown people are more different

810
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 3>like other ethnic people on screen people, it creates gives

811
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:09.840
<v Speaker 3>you a sense of comfort that yet you know they're

812
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 3>they're there, so we we there's hope for us as well.

813
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>How funny to feel insecure about your giant dick because

814
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.800
<v Speaker 2>it's bigger than every other dick that you see, Like

815
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.840
<v Speaker 2>we can't relate. Oh what a concept.

816
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Every struggle is real.

817
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 3>But it's interesting to hear that because that's I mean,

818
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 3>for him, if he could see some South Asian guys

819
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 3>performing on screen, he would have had some comfort knowing that, Okay,

820
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm not abnormal and and you know that. I think

821
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 3>that's super important growing up, like we felt so abnormal.

822
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, being a gig guy, wou didn't even realize

823
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.800
<v Speaker 3>and living in a country life backst I was confused,

824
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.239
<v Speaker 3>like I I my feelings, I didn't know what was

825
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.960
<v Speaker 3>going on. And then when stuff clicked, Oh now everything

826
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 3>makes sense now Now that's why I was feeling that

827
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:57.719
<v Speaker 3>way when I saw that guy over there. That's you know,

828
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 3>it can be explained now, right.

829
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>So then tell me about what your participation in this

830
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.159
<v Speaker 1>documentary is going to be considering all of this.

831
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I'm not sure how they're going to do, Like

832
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 3>what do you want?

833
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 2>What made you say yes to it? And what do

834
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you want to explore? Or like what do you want

835
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>to show in the documentary? Like what what do you

836
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:18.639
<v Speaker 2>want them to ask you about?

837
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I want them to ask me about.

838
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.440
<v Speaker 3>But the representation part, I feel is important. There's not

839
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 3>a lot of us on on on screen and in

840
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 3>the space, so I and the few of us that

841
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 3>are there, I think people need to know more about them,

842
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 3>just because if there's a there's a little Daniel sitting

843
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 3>somewhere in Pakistan somewhere, they I mean, they know that,

844
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.480
<v Speaker 3>you know life, This isn't all life has to offer me.

845
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 3>And that's how I look at it. I felt like

846
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.039
<v Speaker 3>this is all that life had to offer for me.

847
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:44.960
<v Speaker 3>I felt a little bit of normal and I'm like,

848
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.599
<v Speaker 3>the only way to be normalist to go down that

849
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 3>path where you you, you find a partner, you get married,

850
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 3>you have kids, you know, all of that stuff like

851
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 3>it so for them to see that there are other

852
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 3>options and other ways to go, I look back, right,

853
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.159
<v Speaker 3>I only have one life, man, I mean, I want

854
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 3>to live it the way I want to live it,

855
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 3>not the way someone else wanted me to live it.

856
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 3>Because there are so many options, then you can live

857
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 3>however you want to. So that's when I want the

858
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 3>documentary to kind of capture the documentary guys, I think

859
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 3>we're more interested in me because of the work that

860
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 3>I do, which my apologies, I can't really talk much about.

861
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 3>And I also want to hopefully get into politics as well.

862
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.920
<v Speaker 3>So that's something I think they really found interesting.

863
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:27.599
<v Speaker 1>So cool. Yeah, so how long have you been doing

864
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the Daniel Gainsbrook Journey?

865
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 3>September first, twenty twenty, that's when I started twenty twenty.

866
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, you're both.

867
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.960
<v Speaker 3>You're both sorry twenty twenty twenty two years. Sorry I

868
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 3>was living in the past.

869
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

870
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Oops, when I do that he was thinking of the

871
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>time he discovered you.

872
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that would have done Oh yeah, I He

873
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 3>was like, he was also one of the guys I

874
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 3>used to do. I would never have imagined that I

875
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.119
<v Speaker 3>would have filmed with him and become friends with him.

876
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 3>That was never in my wild this And when I

877
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 3>first sized video, I was like, oh my droeling, like I.

878
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Gotta look up my spreadsheets and find out when we

879
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.639
<v Speaker 2>actually did our first one, because I was very.

880
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:10.920
<v Speaker 1>How many times do you guys feel together?

881
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Three times?

882
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:12.320
<v Speaker 1>For?

883
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah, it's been a few. The last one

884
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 2>we did was like a group at the time.

885
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 3>The one before that was a threesome, and the two

886
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.400
<v Speaker 3>before that was just I don't have that many collabs

887
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:22.800
<v Speaker 3>so I can keep track of them so far. We

888
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:23.800
<v Speaker 3>were having special.

889
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like on Friday, do wait, are we gonna?

890
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Am I gonna top? I'm like, have I ever topped

891
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.519
<v Speaker 2>to you? And You're like, yes, you have, And I'm like,

892
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember.

893
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 1>You can't remember.

894
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not that special.

895
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean he also.

896
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Right, we were talking about I'm like, how many collabs

897
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.760
<v Speaker 3>do you think you had? You'd have because I don't

898
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 3>Mine would be like under one hundred maybe like the

899
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 3>entire amount of so so I was like, okay, Like

900
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:48.599
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I got to add it up.

901
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've been doing this for over ten years

902
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>on mine was probably under one hundred. I just I

903
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:55.679
<v Speaker 1>don't film that much at all. I filmed twice in

904
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the last week. You guys, that's a big deal.

905
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Where are they both with with Emil? No, No, they

906
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.719
<v Speaker 2>were not, because we've both we're both filmed with Joseph.

907
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

908
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:09.639
<v Speaker 2>We had overline.

909
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, did you like that?

910
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I told you? And I did you tell him?

911
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>We had? We had We collabed with the same person

912
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the same day, just a few hours. I was first,

913
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.320
<v Speaker 1>You're first, You're we will always be first. Cole Connor.

914
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Now it was in my but it was really nice.

915
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed him and had I stayed with you?

916
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 1>They did, Yeah, for a couple of nights, and they're

917
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:31.840
<v Speaker 1>both lovely. There were a couple from New York who

918
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't make the hoo yeah. Oh yeah, I mean

919
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 1>talking about a big Jesus you would die.

920
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 2>He's hiding his husband from me.

921
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh you'll he'll come back. He'll come back, big dick

922
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.519
<v Speaker 1>bottom though more more than yeah, Yeah, we love that.

923
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.039
<v Speaker 1>So has it been enjoyable for the most part since

924
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:49.280
<v Speaker 1>September twenty twenty two.

925
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's been fun. It was starting was a little stressful,

926
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 3>but because I was only doing solo stuff. So I

927
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 3>did my first clad with Leo Bacchus. He's uh, he's

928
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.440
<v Speaker 3>based out of Montreal. I believe he usually he usually bottoms.

929
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.159
<v Speaker 3>But I was so fucking nervous. Obviously didn't have any

930
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.719
<v Speaker 3>of those aids that we have now. I was like, no,

931
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I won't be able.

932
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>To performance enhancement, not not not the but we all

933
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>thought of for a second, got it?

934
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh sorry, Actually, thank you, thank you for that, Clari.

935
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:24.679
<v Speaker 3>This is the second time I made this mistake, So

936
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 3>that was really nervous. There was like nerve wracking for me.

937
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 3>And then so I bought him for him, and then

938
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 3>I went for another collab and bought him for the

939
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 3>other the next guy who's a local Toronic creator, So

940
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 3>that that one day I'm like, I'm just I got

941
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:39.000
<v Speaker 3>two collabs and and then I didn't film for several

942
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.960
<v Speaker 3>months after that because I was I just didn't know

943
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.519
<v Speaker 3>how to do this. No, I didn't hit it at all.

944
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 3>It was both were amazing, like it was just so

945
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 3>much fun. I just don't know where to go from there. Yeah,

946
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:54.199
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was obviously like the contentation involved

947
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 3>so much work. You gotta edit, you gotta post, you

948
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.400
<v Speaker 3>gotta put like stuff on Twitter for to promote it.

949
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 3>It's not easy and I didn't know where to start.

950
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 3>So but now, thankfully I have a content manager. I've

951
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.960
<v Speaker 3>got Connor Fariss with load Cown Studios in Toronto, and

952
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.960
<v Speaker 3>he helps me out with all my content stuff.

953
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how like has that made it a lot easier.

954
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.840
<v Speaker 3>So much easier. And the thing with with Connor is

955
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.920
<v Speaker 3>that we have a very good working relationship. So I

956
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 3>always like on my videos because I'm with him, even

957
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 3>if he doesn't have any role to play, and I'll

958
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.880
<v Speaker 3>always put like it's this is a load count story

959
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 3>production and all of that. Him and I we just

960
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.239
<v Speaker 3>got nominated for a Gravy for we did a fourteen

961
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.599
<v Speaker 3>guy orgy in Toronto and that got nominated for a graviy.

962
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Hopefully we win with your graduation.

963
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

964
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 3>It was odd and unexpected, but let's see. And but yeah,

965
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.039
<v Speaker 3>he's made my life way easier. And also he does

966
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 3>events and so every year he'll do one event in

967
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:51.400
<v Speaker 3>PV where he gets a bunch of guys together filming

968
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.960
<v Speaker 3>on the beach and he'll get a private beach book.

969
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.199
<v Speaker 3>And then every August he does a Creator Gone in Toronto,

970
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.679
<v Speaker 3>which is I think this time it's like August twenty

971
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:03.239
<v Speaker 3>second or something. But he does that. So that helps

972
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 3>with content creation and getting people together and and so

973
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 3>so I can go film. It makes my life easier

974
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 3>as well. But yeah, that's been that's been great so far.

975
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:14.559
<v Speaker 3>It's been great. Initially it was nerve wracking, but it's

976
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.000
<v Speaker 3>been it's been amazing, and you get to meet so

977
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.519
<v Speaker 3>many new people, and I really enjoy all everyone that

978
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 3>I've met there. They're super nice, like you're you've been

979
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.039
<v Speaker 3>super nice, Like we hang out. We hung out election night,

980
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.280
<v Speaker 3>we were sitting watching the results and so so we Surprisingly,

981
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.519
<v Speaker 3>I didn't expect this of the industry, but everyone's very

982
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 3>nice and supportive and helpful most most.

983
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 1>For the most part, you see yourself doing it for

984
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>a long time.

985
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't see myself stopping anytime soon. Amazing, because it's there,

986
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing it. It's it's literally my way. Someone was saying, oh, listen,

987
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:48.840
<v Speaker 3>if you, if you, if you get into politics, and

988
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 3>you you make it somewhere. Would you stop doing this?

989
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.119
<v Speaker 3>Would you ask the same of someone who had a

990
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:55.679
<v Speaker 3>convenience store on the side that you know you're in policies,

991
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.119
<v Speaker 3>you better shut that thing down. You wouldn't ask to say,

992
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:00.280
<v Speaker 3>this is my business, this is my work, this is

993
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.800
<v Speaker 3>the effort to put in for so many years trying

994
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 3>to build something up. You can't just ask me to lead.

995
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if that's like, I mean, I'm sure there

996
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 2>will come a day where someone that has been in

997
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.119
<v Speaker 2>the adult industry wants to be in politics and people

998
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:16.960
<v Speaker 2>won't care anymore.

999
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be me, It's gonna be May.

1000
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Changing. The world is changing that people have less less, uh,

1001
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, qualms about sex and and it's very imparent

1002
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.199
<v Speaker 3>because if you look, even especially in the gay world,

1003
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.360
<v Speaker 3>if you look like pretty much everyone has as an

1004
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 3>only fans. Now, whether they're pursued like an it with

1005
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 3>with any diligence or not, that's something.

1006
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 1>But everyone's like everybody and like fitness and yeah, you know, well,

1007
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is why we do this podcast. We'd

1008
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 1>like to talk about it so that it becomes a

1009
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit more you know, destigmatized, and you know it's

1010
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.480
<v Speaker 1>okay to talk about it. It's exciting. It's exciting to

1011
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.320
<v Speaker 1>have people with your very unique background showing that that

1012
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 1>they can do it and that they can enjoy themselves.

1013
00:45:58.719 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 1>And it makes some money.

1014
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's it's fun, like honestly like it's it's

1015
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.280
<v Speaker 3>it's one of those things that you know, you you

1016
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.599
<v Speaker 3>make money, but you also have have fun as well.

1017
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:08.920
<v Speaker 3>You get to meet new people. It's it's a different way. Yeah,

1018
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 3>it's it's. It's it's it's a very different experience than

1019
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 3>anything else I would have ever imagined doing.

1020
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Well.

1021
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for being on our show. Thank

1022
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 1>you so mucharing with us your story. That's amazing.

1023
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.599
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. I am really honored to be here.

1024
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Good luck with the Daniel gainesbrook Path.

1025
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

1026
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Cole, you got anything else?

1027
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.440
<v Speaker 2>No, I think we're I think we covered it.

1028
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sounds great. Well, Thank you so much. Thank everybody

1029
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 1>for watching at home and for listening. I'm Adam Ramsey,

1030
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:40.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm Cole Connor. This has been sorry for asking. Bye

1031
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:45.159
<v Speaker 1>now bye, this.

1032
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Has been sorry for asking.

1033
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Be sure to like, comment and subscribe, and until next time,

1034
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.320
<v Speaker 1>stay sexy.