Speaker 1: You're listening to Sorry for asking.
Speaker 2: Sorry for asking. I'm Cold Connor.
Speaker 1: And I'm Adam Ramsey. This is where we talk, shop,
Speaker 1: ask questions.
Speaker 2: Tell stories, and laugh some laughs about being creators as
Speaker 2: well as consumers of adult content.
Speaker 1: We love watching too, we certainly do.
Speaker 2: We also discussed the impact adult films have had on us,
Speaker 2: on our guests, and on the LGBTQ community.
Speaker 1: So strap on and strap in and.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: Okay, this this thing on?
Speaker 2: Hello? Hello? Is anyone there?
Speaker 1: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to Sorry for asking.
Speaker 1: I'm Cold Connor and I'm Adam Ramsey. Hi, cols going on,
Speaker 1: I'm not a whole lot.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess I'm still like getting I had a
Speaker 2: sinus infection what and then on some fucking antibiotic for
Speaker 2: like a week, even though you know you get better,
Speaker 2: but you have to like finish the antibiotic. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I was fucking up my stomach just like I finally
Speaker 2: finished on Monday.
Speaker 1: Okay, but how'd you get a sinus infection?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think, Well, it didn't help that
Speaker 2: I had a men dot Com scene on a Saturday
Speaker 2: and I had to drive to I had to like
Speaker 2: wake up at six am. And drive down there, do
Speaker 2: the scene, and then drive right back to LA. So
Speaker 2: just like that didn't help. And then it's on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I woke up like, oh no, oh, no, how are
Speaker 1: you feeling now?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm back.
Speaker 1: Cool, You're back.
Speaker 2: I'm back. But I just have like a little bit
Speaker 2: of a lost voice.
Speaker 1: You look great. I love that color on you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: What do you call that color?
Speaker 2: I'd say it seeks foam, Yeah, something definitely with see
Speaker 2: in it. I'll say, what about you?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: It's been a you know, we're well into spring. It's
Speaker 1: a lovely April day. The heat is coming back. My
Speaker 1: party was a hit. Everybody who came to Access Seed
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, thank you all so much for coming.
Speaker 1: It was such a beautiful night. My goodness. I am
Speaker 1: just so grateful for the turnout at that party.
Speaker 2: It was super fun.
Speaker 1: It was super fun. You had a good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yet I did go upstairs a little bit.
Speaker 1: I heard a lot of people went upstairs that time.
Speaker 2: I didn't do too much. Yeah, I mean I had
Speaker 2: been tested for a scene, so I couldn't do that much.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: So. You were you were a responsible slutch.
Speaker 2: I was trying to be.
Speaker 1: That's how I like it. I always never responsibly.
Speaker 2: You never know what anybody is doing in between the
Speaker 2: testing and the you know and anybody that they're filming
Speaker 2: with what they're doing, so you have zero control over it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just like do the best you can.
Speaker 1: You know, as a host of a party like that,
Speaker 1: you know, people really liked the music, which I was.
Speaker 1: You know, that's obviously first and foremost for me. But
Speaker 1: you know how good it feels when somebody comes up
Speaker 1: to me and it was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: having the best time at your party. I just like
Speaker 1: a load to the face upstairs, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: The hottest, one of the hottest boys I know came
Speaker 1: to me was like I took three. I was like,
Speaker 1: you took three at my party. I'm honored. It's an
Speaker 1: honored to serve my community.
Speaker 2: You're not really that much of a dark room.
Speaker 1: Person generally not. I mean, it has happened, but it's
Speaker 1: not usually my thing. I like to go up and
Speaker 1: take a look, but especially when I'm working, when I'm
Speaker 1: like throwing the party, I definitely I was at the
Speaker 1: Hearth the Winter event. I didn't go upstairs once during
Speaker 1: the event. I was just so busy bopping around and
Speaker 1: doing my thing downstairs, heading up fruit as I do. Wait,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't give that away. That's one of my gags.
Speaker 1: But this time I did go up towards the end.
Speaker 1: But it was like there was a moment when I
Speaker 1: was looking around at like five point thirty in the
Speaker 1: morning and the dance floor was packed. I was like,
Speaker 1: damn girls, like the sun is coming up and y'all
Speaker 1: are still going. I've done my job.
Speaker 2: I also was like, I went out thinking, this is
Speaker 2: not gonna be a late night for me. It's not
Speaker 2: gonna be late, and was it, And it was late.
Speaker 1: It was more of a morning.
Speaker 2: It was yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming and having such a.
Speaker 2: Good thank you. I have to say, because this will
Speaker 2: come out and plenty of time. I'm doing an improv
Speaker 2: show at UCV. It's gonna be called porn without porn.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be half adult performers and then they're like
Speaker 2: including me and then half improvisers. Drew Drogi our friend
Speaker 2: of the show, Tony Genius, Tony Genius okay, and there's
Speaker 2: some other people I need like two more adult people.
Speaker 2: But I am.
Speaker 1: Sounds on a Thursday, right, Yeah, I work Thursdays.
Speaker 2: But I think it's gonna be a lot of fun obviously,
Speaker 2: like it will have scenarios suggested from the audience that
Speaker 2: are like what you would see in a porn but
Speaker 2: we never get to the sex because like, so you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna like improv comedic porn situation. Yes, in real time.
Speaker 2: That's so fun. It's gonna be super fun.
Speaker 1: Will someone record it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure we can get at tape.
Speaker 1: I hope somebody will have.
Speaker 2: I've never done anything at UCB, so I'm excited to
Speaker 2: do cool, amazing. But we should get to our lovely guest.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: He is in town and I'm filming something with him
Speaker 2: for a documentary on Friday. But then we were hanging
Speaker 2: out last night and I was like, why don't you
Speaker 2: come on the show.
Speaker 1: I want the last minute surprise guest.
Speaker 2: My friend Daniel, Daniel Gaines.
Speaker 1: Bro Hip Daniel. Yeah, bring that close, don't be afraid close, ye.
Speaker 2: Get out of your mouth. Though difficult, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Not much? Thank you so much for having me here.
Speaker 3: It was I was very nervous, I'll say, especially like
Speaker 3: with with Adham because I was telling someone I kind
Speaker 3: of like saw your porn coming out and you know,
Speaker 3: getting into my own sits. This is this is like
Speaker 3: for me, it's a it's an honor to be.
Speaker 1: Tell me more.
Speaker 2: We have a kiss ass? Hey, what that is?
Speaker 1: Let me have my moment?
Speaker 3: O Connor, Do you remember Cole when I said to
Speaker 3: you the first time I've met you. I don't think
Speaker 3: you do.
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything I told him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're you're pretty in real life. I mean
Speaker 3: not that you're not beautiful on screen, but you were
Speaker 3: even more mesmerizing in real life. So I guess I'm
Speaker 3: a kiss ass.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 1: We like teachers pet teacher's pet, but we like it cool. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for flattering us both. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: You always look great too. You take care of yourself
Speaker 2: very well.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: On point all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hot, motherfucker? What's going on? What is it? So?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: As somebody who is ethnically ambiguous myself, I like when
Speaker 1: people ask me what is my I like people sometimes
Speaker 1: will be like what are you? And I hate that question,
Speaker 1: So I like to ask what is your ethnic makeup?
Speaker 3: Perfect? You asked the right question, because when people ask
Speaker 3: me that, I'm like, what do you want to know?
Speaker 3: Where are you from?
Speaker 1: Or where are you from? I'm from Los Angeles, I'm
Speaker 1: from Canada.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, but you're not.
Speaker 1: M anything right exactly. You know, I do it on purpose.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: I could be a second third generation immigrant, but I
Speaker 3: still from Canada background. Ethnically speaking, I'm Punjabi. I was
Speaker 3: born and raised in Pakistan. So I moved to Canada
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, twenty fifteen, So you grew up in Pakistan. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is going to be fun to talk about
Speaker 1: because obviously, I'm sure representation in the adult content world,
Speaker 1: there's probably not a lot of people who are Punjabi.
Speaker 3: It's a big thing being South Asian and in the
Speaker 3: industry because there's not a lot of people from South Asia.
Speaker 3: But it's coming up Toronto especially, like I feel, there's
Speaker 3: so many South Asian content creators that are coming in.
Speaker 3: I don't know how many will actually make it far enough,
Speaker 3: but they're starting off. They're showing interest, so I guess
Speaker 3: states that that's that that that's good. I was really
Speaker 3: shocked to find there was this one Pakistani content creator
Speaker 3: in Texas somewhere, which was Yeah. And the only reason
Speaker 3: I know that is because on his Twitter he has
Speaker 3: the Pakistani flag on it. So I'm like, okay, that's
Speaker 3: that's that's that's interesting. But I've I've never seen his work.
Speaker 3: All I saw was Twitter, So they're not that many
Speaker 3: people out there.
Speaker 2: Anything.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't, I didn't. I didn't message him. I
Speaker 3: should have problem, Yeah, I'll do that. But the one
Speaker 3: of my closest friends is also a content creator. His
Speaker 3: name's Roger. He is, He's in He's based out of Toronto,
Speaker 3: and people love our videos together, like it's says like
Speaker 3: brown film together. Yeaheah we we. I did my last
Speaker 3: like third scene with him because people love it and
Speaker 3: we've got great chemistry as well, so it's awesome. We
Speaker 3: started off making the video and we didn't know where,
Speaker 3: how long it will be or what. We just went
Speaker 3: with it. By the time we were done, we had
Speaker 3: an hour and a half of footage.
Speaker 2: My god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like, okay, we got three videos. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so there is space for that. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff that you know is missing from this space, like
Speaker 3: ethnically speaking, but Roger is doing pretty good work. He's
Speaker 3: done a couple of scenes with men dot Com. But
Speaker 3: I do feel like sometimes a studious pigeonhole you and
Speaker 3: in a certain way. So his character was supposed to
Speaker 3: be in Onion and so he was dressed in the
Speaker 3: the the Indian like like the sheer one or whatever
Speaker 3: it's called. He was dressed up in that. Then they
Speaker 3: wanted to do an all brown guys scene and he
Speaker 3: asked me, He's like, do you want to be my
Speaker 3: scene partner? I'm like, no, I can't. And for me
Speaker 3: it was I can't be that token, you know, brown
Speaker 3: guy that they want for me. I don't know. That
Speaker 3: was just just seemed a little lottery and I want
Speaker 3: to be recognized with the work there, the color of
Speaker 3: my skin, So that I was thinking that.
Speaker 2: But then don't you have like kind of catch twenty
Speaker 2: where like because people don't want to be a token,
Speaker 2: then they don't get this.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, this is definitely a subject that has come
Speaker 1: up on this podcast before. Remember our episode with Andre Donovan,
Speaker 1: where like sometimes you know, the fine line of like
Speaker 1: tokenism versus representation, like it does sometimes get a little
Speaker 1: blurry because it's like we obviously want to be getting work,
Speaker 1: but we you know, we want to have representation. But
Speaker 1: also it's like, you know, let's just make sure we're
Speaker 1: doing it for the right reasons. And you know, it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's you know, you can't really pinpoint exactly what the
Speaker 1: motivations are for certain studios, but you're working. It seems
Speaker 1: like you have a big following. Your Instagram following is
Speaker 1: pretty pretty up there. What's going on with your Twitter following?
Speaker 1: I did I did some I did some research, and
Speaker 1: I was wondering a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: So what happened was that I deactivated my account before
Speaker 3: entering the US because I was scared getting through immigration.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna disable all my social
Speaker 3: media counts. I disabled all of my social media counts.
Speaker 3: Twitter has an issue ofpparently, and I've read up. I
Speaker 3: freaked out yesterday. It was ninety two thousand followers and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, my like forty followers or something. Apparently,
Speaker 3: after you reactivate your account, it takes a couple of
Speaker 3: days for them to fix this issue. It's a known bug.
Speaker 3: So I'm still freaking out a little bit. But because
Speaker 3: it's messing up with everything. Weirdly enough, anything I knew
Speaker 3: I post doesn't get to everyone, but the old stuff
Speaker 3: is still circulating and being retweeted. I sent Twitter an
Speaker 3: email already, so that's I'm scared.
Speaker 2: I mean I lost mine at three hundred and fifty four. OK. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yes, so now I'm at like one twelve or
Speaker 2: one thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I hate this is that this is still
Speaker 1: a thing that you have to fear as a traveling person.
Speaker 2: Well, he was like last night, he was telling me
Speaker 2: about it. I'm like, doesn't deactivating I mean, like you
Speaker 2: He's like, no, I didn't delete it. I'm like, isn't
Speaker 2: deactivating the same thing as deleting.
Speaker 3: There's still pretty deactivation and then permanent deletion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that's what's that. That's what happening with
Speaker 3: their Twitter.
Speaker 1: So tell us what brings you to LA this time?
Speaker 3: So mostly I come to La. My sister lives here,
Speaker 3: so it's it's always good to see her. I'm very
Speaker 3: close to her, so we get to spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time together. That's why I came to LA. And
Speaker 3: then I started doing collabs because LA is a big
Speaker 3: hub and you get pretty much everyone here anyway, you
Speaker 3: don't have to go anywhere else. They just kept on
Speaker 3: coming back, and it's it seems like a great place
Speaker 3: to visit and to be. I think last time I
Speaker 3: mentioned to you Cold that I wouldn't mind living in
Speaker 3: LA either, because it's.
Speaker 1: A fun place to live.
Speaker 3: It's a fun place to live, and for some reason
Speaker 3: it keeps calling me back. I hate big cities a
Speaker 3: lot of people around me, but LA just seems to
Speaker 3: hit the right notes for me. So that's that's why
Speaker 3: I don't know about your background. What's your what's your background?
Speaker 1: My background is Armenian. I'm Armenian American. I was raised here.
Speaker 3: So the reason why I'm asking is because i'm here.
Speaker 3: So it was the end of Ramadan, so we have
Speaker 3: ad so with a family thing, so that's why I
Speaker 3: kind of came to be good time to come see
Speaker 3: my sister and also do some collabs while I'm at it.
Speaker 3: I don't get to do much work while I'm in
Speaker 3: in Canada.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the thing that we're doing on Friday, what
Speaker 2: that's for a documentary? So what's that all about?
Speaker 3: So they're doing this documentary on gay Asian adult content. Creators,
Speaker 3: and first it was just focused on East Asians and
Speaker 3: someone started suggesting, well, there are other content creators in
Speaker 3: Asia as well, the other ethnicities as well as yeah's right,
Speaker 3: So they reached out to me and I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's let's let's go for it. Let's uh, let's do this.
Speaker 3: So it's it's basically just trying to catalog and talk
Speaker 3: to us about how we feel as being ethnically Asian
Speaker 3: in the industry because there's a lot more factors for
Speaker 3: culturally speaking, for us, I'm very unique in this sense,
Speaker 3: like IDGF, like I'm going to live my life the
Speaker 3: way I want to. Because I came out at the
Speaker 3: age of thirty two. I didn't even realize I was
Speaker 3: gay when until I was thirty two. The signs were
Speaker 3: all there, but I was in denial, I guess, and
Speaker 3: then I'm not going back into the closet. So I'm
Speaker 3: pretty open about everything. But frankly speaking, if I can
Speaker 3: go tell my parents and you know, I'm in the
Speaker 3: adult industry, my sisters know and they're very supportive of it,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't go tell my parents just because you
Speaker 3: know the cultural.
Speaker 1: Are you out to your parents?
Speaker 3: Ye? You are okay, they live in Pakistan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the climate around homosexuality in Pakistan?
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't be the best person to say anything
Speaker 3: about it because I wasn't out when I was there.
Speaker 3: I literally came out and then I moved moved to Canada.
Speaker 1: Are there out people?
Speaker 2: And yeah, there.
Speaker 3: Are, but they are. It's very complex society, like it's
Speaker 3: it's on one hand, you have the freedom do whatever
Speaker 3: you want to, but it has to be in your
Speaker 3: private spaces.
Speaker 2: They aren't like gay bars.
Speaker 3: They aren't gay bars, but everyone drinks like it's it's
Speaker 3: pretty common to drink, Like weddings would normally have a bar,
Speaker 3: and you know events would have a bar. It's not open,
Speaker 3: but people still do it. I know a lot of
Speaker 3: my friends were gay as well, and for me that
Speaker 3: was the odd thing. I had gay friends, but I
Speaker 3: still didn't realize I will get much older. But the
Speaker 3: climate is there's always in an element of fear. But
Speaker 3: I know gay couples living together as well.
Speaker 1: It's obviously so it's not like an oppressive regime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not really like it. I mean it's not
Speaker 3: it's I mean I haven't been to Rondo. From what
Speaker 3: we see from the media. It's not like you know
Speaker 3: Irnas all the Arabia. If your head isn't covered, you're
Speaker 3: gonna be like they're gonna beat you up right. I
Speaker 3: always used to say, like even living in Canada, like
Speaker 3: I love Coldstone Creamery, Canada doesn't have a cold Stone Creamery,
Speaker 3: but packstand doesn't. Okay, So so people like going out.
Speaker 3: It's it's pretty vibrant, it's a pretty vibrant economy, and
Speaker 3: people like going out. But it's just it's just done
Speaker 3: in a seemingly dry manner.
Speaker 1: So what do you attribute your late coming out process to?
Speaker 3: Just lack of exposure to to to the gay culture
Speaker 3: like or to people in a in a more meaningful
Speaker 3: way you.
Speaker 2: Had like no like gay mentors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly, And I didn't realize. And then
Speaker 3: when I realized, when it clicked in my mind, like
Speaker 3: oh now so many things mate, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: What caused that click was the flick of the dominoes
Speaker 1: social media?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, way back when thirteen fourteen, when I when
Speaker 3: I first started my Instagram, like I had at that
Speaker 3: point in time, I had like eight point five koff followers.
Speaker 3: Nobody had that many and then I had to delete
Speaker 3: that account because one of my exes didn't like me
Speaker 3: having a big social.
Speaker 2: Media algorithm taught him what he would like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so wait, what your ex girlfriend or something?
Speaker 3: No, not my This was an ex, like a first
Speaker 3: a first guy I dated after I came out. I
Speaker 3: see he didn't like me having social media. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so I started getting attention from guys on on social
Speaker 3: media and that I liked it. And then I started
Speaker 3: talking to this one guy and who's actually from La.
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, I started talking to him and we kind
Speaker 3: of hit it off, and then I'm like, okay, now
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff makes sense. Went into therapy. I
Speaker 3: was married and have two kids. Oh wow, So then
Speaker 3: I went to therapy. Then I told my ex, well
Speaker 3: she was my wife. Then I told her my ex
Speaker 3: wife is a very interesting person. She's very loving. So
Speaker 3: the first thing she said to me, she's like, hold on.
Speaker 3: She grabbed me by the arm. We went into the
Speaker 3: bathroom and she lit a cigarette in the bathroom because
Speaker 3: obviously we're not gonna there's an exhaust fan over there.
Speaker 3: So we used to smoke in the bathroom all the time.
Speaker 3: Lights a cigarette up takes a couple of puffs and
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there and waiting what she's going to say. Next.
Speaker 3: She's like, you know what, you need to move to
Speaker 3: Canada right now because you're not going to have a
Speaker 3: life here. Wow, the first thing she said to me.
Speaker 1: Yet what an act of kindness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she hit the fan afterwards. But we
Speaker 3: were together for sixteen years, so we were a high
Speaker 3: school sweetheart and I was in love with her. I
Speaker 3: was actually attracted her. It wasn't. It wasn't, which made
Speaker 3: this all the more confusing. But yeah, so that's what
Speaker 3: she said. And then it was yeah, but she's still
Speaker 3: a very close friend of mine. Okay, I rely on her.
Speaker 3: I was going through a recent breakup and I called
Speaker 3: her up and I told her about it, and like,
Speaker 3: so we're good friends. Obviously there's some you know, obviously
Speaker 3: lingering stuff, but we're really good. I mean, she's one
Speaker 3: of the closest people I have in my life.
Speaker 1: Does she know what you're up to these days? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I'm very open with I'm very open with everyone. I
Speaker 3: don't hide like even work and professionally, I don't hide it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just don't mention it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, how about your kids? Were what's the story
Speaker 1: with the kids.
Speaker 3: So my older one is going to start college this yeah.
Speaker 2: Wait rewind hold man, when did you get married?
Speaker 1: You said he was there a high school sweethearts and
Speaker 1: six we got married. Okay, what is your can I ask?
Speaker 1: I know it's not hot. You know you shouldn't ask
Speaker 1: a lady her age? Are you?
Speaker 3: What is your four?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: I mean you look amazing, well done, excellent, thank you? Cool.
Speaker 3: I can feel it, sure, feel it in my bones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all feel it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, right, Well that's okay. So you have
Speaker 1: an eldest who's in college.
Speaker 3: And a younger one who's turning twelve.
Speaker 1: Turning twelve, Okay, that was quite an age difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and do they know that you are? Do you identify
Speaker 1: as gay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, then they know that they were. Actually, my younger
Speaker 3: son was very very close to my last ex, whom
Speaker 3: I was for five years. My younger one was very
Speaker 3: very close to him. And my younger one is also
Speaker 3: kind of weird interesting because in his mind, because he
Speaker 3: was I think a year and a half when his
Speaker 3: mom and I split up, he didn't have those perceptions
Speaker 3: of that a man and a woman make a make
Speaker 3: a family repairs. He never had that preconception in his mind,
Speaker 3: which was very, very interesting because he accepted my ex
Speaker 3: way is he knew. I didn't even have to tell him.
Speaker 3: At one point He's like, oh, yeah, you have you
Speaker 3: have him here, he's your special friend I did. I'd
Speaker 3: never mentioned it. Yeah. My older one, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: completely ignored it and wasn't denial. He got on when
Speaker 3: I kissed my my ex and that's when he and
Speaker 3: they went back home and to his mom he's like,
Speaker 3: is baba gay?
Speaker 2: So what was the moment that made you say porn
Speaker 2: is something I want to do?
Speaker 3: Whoa unemployment? Does that paying the bills?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I got laid off at the second time in a
Speaker 3: year I think or a year and a half, and
Speaker 3: I was like, why am I not doing this? Like
Speaker 3: I need a backup. I started off. Then I found
Speaker 3: another job, which is also contractual. I'm like, okay, there's
Speaker 3: no security here. And thank god that ended in five
Speaker 3: months too and I had something to fall back on.
Speaker 3: Then the current job that I'm working at, which is
Speaker 3: it's my dream job. In fact, when it came I
Speaker 3: was like should I stop it? And people asked. My
Speaker 3: friends were also like, why don't you stop doing pornaw?
Speaker 3: I say, it's all out there and it's it's literally
Speaker 3: my sweat and maybe blood as well, and and some
Speaker 3: years as well well. Sometimes so I'm like why, why
Speaker 3: why not continue doing this? It's my business. I take
Speaker 3: a lot of pride in it. It's my business. It's
Speaker 3: it's it's it's my image, it's my brand, like I
Speaker 3: need to. I invest in it all the time, and
Speaker 3: people don't just because it's sex, people don't see it
Speaker 3: that way. I was watching this real the other day
Speaker 3: by this really big bodybuilder guy who was like straight
Speaker 3: bodybuilder guy was talking about, oh no, doing only fans
Speaker 3: is the easy way out, Like for you, does this,
Speaker 3: bitch know how much work goes into There's so much
Speaker 3: work that goes of course, because it's your work, it's
Speaker 3: your business. Everything requires effort. You can just sit and
Speaker 3: twiddle your something and the only fans is done.
Speaker 2: Ray.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: As performers in the adult industry, we get asked all
Speaker 2: the time about tips on how to perform like a
Speaker 2: porn star.
Speaker 1: And what says porn star more than a big load?
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Speaker 2: So did you start doing the content sites before you
Speaker 2: used to do any studio stuff?
Speaker 3: I have never done studio You've never done it? Nope?
Speaker 1: Do you have an interest in studio stuff?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a little weary about studio stuff because here's
Speaker 3: the thing. You know that the cheesy intro before for
Speaker 3: I feel I would be so bad at it because
Speaker 3: I'm not an actor, Like, yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, not every studio, not every studio
Speaker 1: does that.
Speaker 3: I'm actually interestingly that I was speaking with the one
Speaker 3: of the studios a couple of weeks ago, and they
Speaker 3: wanted to take me on. But one of the reasons
Speaker 3: I loved, I would have loved to work I would
Speaker 3: love to work with them is the fact that they
Speaker 3: don't have the like introduction where you know, you need
Speaker 3: to set the stage for something. It's just like it's
Speaker 3: it's just actual fucking. So I would find that.
Speaker 2: I guess I thought, I feel like you would do
Speaker 2: well with like Lucas Lucas Man.
Speaker 3: I contacted him.
Speaker 1: He don't push that studio.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like he's just I feel like it's
Speaker 2: like I feel.
Speaker 3: Like the I mean, apart from I would never work
Speaker 3: with him at but I did did approach him at
Speaker 3: the beginning, and he was interested. I just didn't pursue
Speaker 3: it further. And I'm glad I didn't. I mean, keeping
Speaker 3: this like a non political but like I don't want I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I'm only talking about the aesthetic of it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't care. He could be a Zech whatever.
Speaker 3: No, we're all we're all dicks at some and you know,
Speaker 3: and and and we we are dicks and we have dix.
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's that's the thing. But I mean,
Speaker 3: that's tricky territory man, not even tricky, Like, that's not tricky.
Speaker 1: So then you're telling us that, like social media was
Speaker 1: kind of your first exposure to homosexual, gay queer culture.
Speaker 1: But what about your exposure to porn and your exposure
Speaker 1: to adult content?
Speaker 3: Like what was this is interesting because Okay, despite not
Speaker 3: realizing that I was gay, I mean again, I don't
Speaker 3: know where I which hole I was living under. Since
Speaker 3: the age of sixteen, I exclusively watched gay porn.
Speaker 1: Did you have easy access to it? Yeah, like there
Speaker 1: were no internet restrictions or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I think now the restrictions are way more
Speaker 3: than we had grown up, which is odd for me.
Speaker 2: We just couldn't download anything fast enough.
Speaker 3: So true, yeah, true, it was just like I exclusively
Speaker 3: watched gay porn and it was weird for me to
Speaker 3: Obviously I was with my ex wife at that point
Speaker 3: in time as well, but the gay.
Speaker 1: So when you were having sex with your wife, you
Speaker 1: were thinking about the gay porn.
Speaker 3: You were watching. No, no, but again I hope she
Speaker 3: doesn't watch, but I do remember there were a few
Speaker 3: times where I had sex with her and I came
Speaker 3: but then I had to go into the bathroom and
Speaker 3: watch gay porn and come again, wow, because I wasn't satisfying.
Speaker 1: Sure huh, but yeah, fascinating. I love stories like this.
Speaker 3: Some I know dick and butts, yea, the best dick
Speaker 3: in butts.
Speaker 1: What would I do without him? What were you without them?
Speaker 1: What do you?
Speaker 2: What do you say you identify as gay or by?
Speaker 3: I would say, like, I'm more on the pan sexual side.
Speaker 3: I was. I was mentioning to you that I'm actually
Speaker 3: seeing a woman these days. Yeah, so that's been interesting. Now,
Speaker 3: I guess I hadn't slept with a woman in a decade,
Speaker 3: and the sex was amazing, and we have a very
Speaker 3: good connection. Her and I are very similar, Like we
Speaker 3: were just talking on the way here, and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: we are so much alike, Like we just think the
Speaker 3: same way. And there's something to be said about that connection.
Speaker 3: If you want me to percent honest, I will always
Speaker 3: be attracted to men more like, way more than I
Speaker 3: would the women.
Speaker 1: Are you transparent with her about that? Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 3: Actually I actually I actually was explained to it. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: if you have buckets of satisfaction like different, So there's
Speaker 3: a sexual satisfaction there's emotional, mental, you know, other kind
Speaker 3: of satisfaction. I'm with you, it's like pretty much all
Speaker 3: of them are like equally high. But maybe with a
Speaker 3: man it might be like it's it's the sex part
Speaker 3: is Yeah, maybe that that text, but the other ones
Speaker 3: are not that fulfilled. And I kind of like it
Speaker 3: that way, Like I don't. I was telling you about
Speaker 3: this as well, I don't like relationships because it's it's
Speaker 3: good to have that kind of freedom the way you are.
Speaker 3: But like these last couple of months have been challenging
Speaker 3: the way I've been thinking.
Speaker 2: It's challenging because you're in a relationship. Now.
Speaker 3: I'm in a relationship with a woman with a woman.
Speaker 3: Right before this, I was actually I had fallen in
Speaker 3: love with someone and it was just mentally devastating for me.
Speaker 3: And after that, I was like, I'm going to take
Speaker 3: a like a back seat. The good thing with the
Speaker 3: woman is that she understands everything she knows about the
Speaker 3: porn and the stuff. Yesterday she was having a really
Speaker 3: tough time with understanding that I'll be sleeping with other
Speaker 3: men yeah for collabse So she was very upset. But
Speaker 3: but I mean I talked through this stuff and that's fine.
Speaker 3: Like I want to be as transparent with her as
Speaker 3: possible and then she can make a decision. Hey, this
Speaker 3: is who I am. Do you want to be with
Speaker 3: this or not?
Speaker 2: Do you see her exploring with you?
Speaker 3: I've suggested it so many times because she's she's she's
Speaker 3: she's bisexual too. Yeah, so she's she was with a
Speaker 3: woman for like three years. I find that very intriguing
Speaker 3: and I find that very interesting. But I was joking
Speaker 3: with her right now. Apparently there's some guy in her
Speaker 3: building whom someone one of her friends suggested she should
Speaker 3: sleep with. And I've seen the guy. He comes to
Speaker 3: the gym. I'm like, let's do a threesome, like I'm
Speaker 3: I or try him out and tell me and then
Speaker 3: we can see where we go.
Speaker 2: Do you think that you guys will be open, like
Speaker 2: she'll no, No, I don't think so, so only.
Speaker 3: Collapse only collabse. So so well, we kind of left
Speaker 3: it at at a weird point. Today, She's like, what
Speaker 3: do you want to do. I'm like, I'm I'm like,
Speaker 3: I just go with the flow. Like yeah, so, so
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe I need to sleep with someone outside
Speaker 3: of my collabse for you to understand what it might
Speaker 3: feel for you. So I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3: I'm probably just gonna go tell her, hey, I stept
Speaker 3: with someone and see what her reaction is from there
Speaker 3: and take it from there. She needs to know, like
Speaker 3: she needs to know what her feelings would be if
Speaker 3: I did sleep with someone, just because we're we're setting
Speaker 3: boundaries for our relationship right now. And it's very odd
Speaker 3: for how many people do you know? How many women
Speaker 3: do you know who, like, apart out of the industry,
Speaker 3: who would be dating a gay porn actor?
Speaker 1: Right? It exists?
Speaker 3: It exists. It exists, yeah, outside the industry, Like she's
Speaker 3: not in part of the industry.
Speaker 1: Does this person live in Canada where you live? Okay? Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I would. I'm getting a little bit of
Speaker 1: like people please er vibes. Do you have a people
Speaker 1: pleaseer streak? Yeah? Okay, okay, So let's talk about this
Speaker 1: a little bit. So it sounds like you are in
Speaker 1: this relationship, but you are also like kind of still
Speaker 1: coming into your gay side or like the side of
Speaker 1: you that it likes to experience pleasure with men. Is
Speaker 1: it enough for you to get that from the collapse?
Speaker 1: How long has it been in this arrangement.
Speaker 3: After my last like breakup with the guy like that,
Speaker 3: I feel like that's one of the things that that's
Speaker 3: actually I feel now like I think I'm very okay
Speaker 3: with sleeping with guys and doing collabs or collabs and
Speaker 3: just sleeping with someone and that being it. I like
Speaker 3: that I'm not a dick, like I'll be very nice
Speaker 3: to someone. I'll be I'll be the perfect guy when
Speaker 3: we're together. But I like having my space, I like
Speaker 3: having my own life, and I have so many other
Speaker 3: things that I need to take care of. Honestly, the
Speaker 3: work that we do is not easy. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of self work that you need to do. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of focus that you need to do. I was
Speaker 3: getting upset with her as well. Today. I'm like, listen,
Speaker 3: I need so much to focus on and you're kind
Speaker 3: of taking my focus away from all the other stuff.
Speaker 3: I was getting a little bit annoyed. So during this
Speaker 3: works best for me not to get too involved with someone. Also,
Speaker 3: I suffer from a host of mental health issues, one
Speaker 3: of them being borderline personality disorder, which means that I
Speaker 3: feel emotions in a much higher intensity than most other
Speaker 3: people do, so The problem with that is, and that's
Speaker 3: what happened when I fell in love with this guy
Speaker 3: whom I just met for twenty four hours, was that
Speaker 3: it just like it overwhelmed me my brain so much
Speaker 3: I couldn't think of anything else. And I after the breakup,
Speaker 3: I was literally in bed for two weeks staring at
Speaker 3: the ceiling, didn't go into work, did barely anything now
Speaker 3: catching up on that. But yeah, so I prefer that
Speaker 3: arrangement where it's not too intimate. I can I can
Speaker 3: control myself, and I don't. My brain doesn't get overwhelmed
Speaker 3: with feelings.
Speaker 2: That's why dating a woman feels like a safe thing
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: Very stute yes, oh oh, unpacked that a little bit.
Speaker 2: How do you like, maybe you're somebody that gets emotionally
Speaker 2: involved in your sexual pleasure and like, so what you
Speaker 2: really prefer is sex with a man. But then like
Speaker 2: you fall for that guy easily, that is maybe just
Speaker 2: like just.
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't follow the fall fall for anyone. Like literally,
Speaker 3: this was the fourth time in my entire life that
Speaker 3: I've actually fallen in love with someone. So that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: But you can maintain more control.
Speaker 1: Exactly because you're getting more emotional nourishment.
Speaker 3: More emotional nourishment. There's less like internal drive involved in
Speaker 3: that aspect, like with with with, like with guys that
Speaker 3: I would really fall for, I could really like, I
Speaker 3: would be a complete basket head in front of.
Speaker 2: The like it was like the passion you had, like
Speaker 2: passion head, Yeah, passion head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't get me wrong. Like they're they're guys I
Speaker 3: will meet, they'll guys. There will be guys that I
Speaker 3: see and I'm like, yeah, I would, I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind dating them. But like you, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: mind dating you.
Speaker 2: We had yet you've never asked.
Speaker 3: And you know, one of these reasons I would I
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind dating him is because he is so independent.
Speaker 3: Uh and and that's that it would be. It would
Speaker 3: be perfect, Like you'd have your own separate life. I
Speaker 3: would have my own separate life. Very okay with that.
Speaker 3: But the feeling of love is a very different kind
Speaker 3: of feeling, like I don't feel loved yet Towards the
Speaker 3: girl I'm dating right now, it's a much more controlled
Speaker 3: than she was saying this is she's like, you're like
Speaker 3: a fucking robot. You're you're You're you're like thinking through
Speaker 3: everything and planning through everything. I'm like, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to manage feelings and expectations and more sensible in
Speaker 3: adult way.
Speaker 2: So how is that going up the flow?
Speaker 1: That's diffic especially if you value independence.
Speaker 3: It's not easy. I'm still figuring this, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure this out as well. And she's
Speaker 3: been busting my balls all morning about sharing, like you
Speaker 3: said this, but you said this right now. I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my.
Speaker 2: God, like I'm two people. I told you that.
Speaker 3: I told you I mental health issues. No, but but
Speaker 3: I'm figuring it out as well. Like It's the weird
Speaker 3: part is that I spent the last ten years trying
Speaker 3: to prove how fucking.
Speaker 1: Gay I was trying to prove it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the sense like you know, like because when
Speaker 3: I came out my obviously I told you what my
Speaker 3: ex wife said, but then afterwards she was she didn't
Speaker 3: want it to end because we've been together for sixteen years.
Speaker 3: It takes a lot to uncouple from that, right, So
Speaker 3: I had to actively prove how gay I was. My
Speaker 3: mom was like, you need to go to therapy and
Speaker 3: you know, get this fixed. I'm like it's not something
Speaker 3: that's gonna go away with therapy and actively like work
Speaker 3: to prove how. Yeah, I can convince people.
Speaker 1: What did that look like? I mean, prayed around with
Speaker 1: a rainbow flag.
Speaker 3: I've done that, or or accidentally take a selfie with
Speaker 3: a dilda in the back.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, leave a vibrator all sticky. Yes, yes, I'm gay.
Speaker 3: But after all of that, this was like, it's just
Speaker 3: very odd for me. So I'm still learning as well.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I might make statements that might be contradictory
Speaker 3: to each other, but I'm working through this as.
Speaker 2: Well, a walking contradiction.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What was some of the porn you like to
Speaker 1: watch back in the day yours?
Speaker 3: Thank you for taking I mean it.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you've been watching for long than I've been
Speaker 1: in porn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is true. One of your videos I loved
Speaker 3: it was a construction site or something. Yes, that was
Speaker 3: so fucking hot.
Speaker 1: Like I used to watch that all middle easing for
Speaker 1: you to like interesting, never talk never you never put
Speaker 1: that together.
Speaker 3: No, but I think it was more of it's not
Speaker 3: being middle. It's not the color of the skin or
Speaker 3: the features. It's specifically, I mean, you're fantastic. You're you're
Speaker 3: amazing looking. So the looks, the hairy chest, the arms,
Speaker 3: the beard, and same for Sharrock as well. Right, he's
Speaker 3: also pretty much the same. And then I think one
Speaker 3: of my favorite parts of that entire video, which I
Speaker 3: would loop over and over again, is that he kind
Speaker 3: of I think he pins you back and then licks
Speaker 3: your armpits or something, and that's that's I love doing
Speaker 3: that as well. So that was super hot for me.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, and that was that was on repeat,
Speaker 3: So that that's one that really stuck out for me.
Speaker 1: There was another way you really didn't think about it,
Speaker 1: like in terms of like really to being from that
Speaker 1: part of the world. No.
Speaker 3: Interesting, It's it's odd that you say that because I
Speaker 3: don't really and people do, but I don't relate in
Speaker 3: that sense. I have a very weird real thinking.
Speaker 1: I mean, I only asked because, like you know, I've
Speaker 1: had some people who are like, you know, Swana or
Speaker 1: Middle Eastern or whatever you want to say, however you
Speaker 1: want to say it. Have you heard that term? That's
Speaker 1: when I learned recently Swana it means Southwest Asian and
Speaker 1: North Africa. Don't use they're trying to do away with
Speaker 1: Middle Eastern as a concept because it's but like even
Speaker 1: though I understand Middle East, like in the middle of
Speaker 1: the Eastern hemisphere, just like, did you know that Midwestern US,
Speaker 1: Like that's what that means. It's not the Midwestern United States,
Speaker 1: it's the Midwestern hemisphere because like if you think about it,
Speaker 1: because like Ohio is not west Yeah, right, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: non sequito. But I have had a lot of people
Speaker 1: say that it made them feel very safe to explore
Speaker 1: their sexuality because they awesomeone that looked like them engaging
Speaker 1: in something like the scene that you are describing.
Speaker 3: And that didn't hold true for me in that moment. Okay,
Speaker 3: it was just too fucking hot, and I was just
Speaker 3: like slurry love it, you know, but somewhere somewhere, But
Speaker 3: people do, like that's one of the reasons I was
Speaker 3: telling you about South like myself and rage when we filmed.
Speaker 3: That's that's the thing that's where they find that that comfort.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're doing something for the community.
Speaker 3: It's really special. And and and I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've Magic Mike, the congregator in San Francisco. I met
Speaker 3: with her. He's the story. He does like you have
Speaker 3: to hear him say, is growing up, I couldn't find
Speaker 3: like anything online like brown guys, and he has a
Speaker 3: huge tool, like huge, huge tool and that is complex
Speaker 3: for for I mean all over the world, not just
Speaker 3: for brown guys, but that's huge, and you can he
Speaker 3: felt very complex that he felt he was odd and
Speaker 3: he was he was not. He didn't fit in anywhere.
Speaker 3: That takes a toll on you. So so when if
Speaker 3: you have more people like brown people are more different
Speaker 3: like other ethnic people on screen people, it creates gives
Speaker 3: you a sense of comfort that yet you know they're
Speaker 3: they're there, so we we there's hope for us as well.
Speaker 2: How funny to feel insecure about your giant dick because
Speaker 2: it's bigger than every other dick that you see, Like
Speaker 2: we can't relate. Oh what a concept.
Speaker 1: Every struggle is real.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting to hear that because that's I mean,
Speaker 3: for him, if he could see some South Asian guys
Speaker 3: performing on screen, he would have had some comfort knowing that, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not abnormal and and you know that. I think
Speaker 3: that's super important growing up, like we felt so abnormal.
Speaker 3: I mean, being a gig guy, wou didn't even realize
Speaker 3: and living in a country life backst I was confused,
Speaker 3: like I I my feelings, I didn't know what was
Speaker 3: going on. And then when stuff clicked, Oh now everything
Speaker 3: makes sense now Now that's why I was feeling that
Speaker 3: way when I saw that guy over there. That's you know,
Speaker 3: it can be explained now, right.
Speaker 1: So then tell me about what your participation in this
Speaker 1: documentary is going to be considering all of this.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm not sure how they're going to do, Like
Speaker 3: what do you want?
Speaker 2: What made you say yes to it? And what do
Speaker 2: you want to explore? Or like what do you want
Speaker 2: to show in the documentary? Like what what do you
Speaker 2: want them to ask you about?
Speaker 3: I don't know what I want them to ask me about.
Speaker 3: But the representation part, I feel is important. There's not
Speaker 3: a lot of us on on on screen and in
Speaker 3: the space, so I and the few of us that
Speaker 3: are there, I think people need to know more about them,
Speaker 3: just because if there's a there's a little Daniel sitting
Speaker 3: somewhere in Pakistan somewhere, they I mean, they know that,
Speaker 3: you know life, This isn't all life has to offer me.
Speaker 3: And that's how I look at it. I felt like
Speaker 3: this is all that life had to offer for me.
Speaker 3: I felt a little bit of normal and I'm like,
Speaker 3: the only way to be normalist to go down that
Speaker 3: path where you you, you find a partner, you get married,
Speaker 3: you have kids, you know, all of that stuff like
Speaker 3: it so for them to see that there are other
Speaker 3: options and other ways to go, I look back, right,
Speaker 3: I only have one life, man, I mean, I want
Speaker 3: to live it the way I want to live it,
Speaker 3: not the way someone else wanted me to live it.
Speaker 3: Because there are so many options, then you can live
Speaker 3: however you want to. So that's when I want the
Speaker 3: documentary to kind of capture the documentary guys, I think
Speaker 3: we're more interested in me because of the work that
Speaker 3: I do, which my apologies, I can't really talk much about.
Speaker 3: And I also want to hopefully get into politics as well.
Speaker 3: So that's something I think they really found interesting.
Speaker 1: So cool. Yeah, so how long have you been doing
Speaker 1: the Daniel Gainsbrook Journey?
Speaker 3: September first, twenty twenty, that's when I started twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you're both.
Speaker 3: You're both sorry twenty twenty twenty two years. Sorry I
Speaker 3: was living in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oops, when I do that he was thinking of the
Speaker 1: time he discovered you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would have done Oh yeah, I He
Speaker 3: was like, he was also one of the guys I
Speaker 3: used to do. I would never have imagined that I
Speaker 3: would have filmed with him and become friends with him.
Speaker 3: That was never in my wild this And when I
Speaker 3: first sized video, I was like, oh my droeling, like I.
Speaker 2: Gotta look up my spreadsheets and find out when we
Speaker 2: actually did our first one, because I was very.
Speaker 1: How many times do you guys feel together?
Speaker 3: Three times?
Speaker 1: For?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, it's been a few. The last one
Speaker 2: we did was like a group at the time.
Speaker 3: The one before that was a threesome, and the two
Speaker 3: before that was just I don't have that many collabs
Speaker 3: so I can keep track of them so far. We
Speaker 3: were having special.
Speaker 2: I was like on Friday, do wait, are we gonna?
Speaker 2: Am I gonna top? I'm like, have I ever topped
Speaker 2: to you? And You're like, yes, you have, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: You can't remember.
Speaker 3: I'm not that special.
Speaker 1: I mean he also.
Speaker 3: Right, we were talking about I'm like, how many collabs
Speaker 3: do you think you had? You'd have because I don't
Speaker 3: Mine would be like under one hundred maybe like the
Speaker 3: entire amount of so so I was like, okay, Like
Speaker 3: I was like, I got to add it up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been doing this for over ten years
Speaker 1: on mine was probably under one hundred. I just I
Speaker 1: don't film that much at all. I filmed twice in
Speaker 1: the last week. You guys, that's a big deal.
Speaker 2: Where are they both with with Emil? No, No, they
Speaker 2: were not, because we've both we're both filmed with Joseph.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: We had overline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, did you like that?
Speaker 2: I told you? And I did you tell him?
Speaker 1: We had? We had We collabed with the same person
Speaker 1: the same day, just a few hours. I was first,
Speaker 1: You're first, You're we will always be first. Cole Connor.
Speaker 2: Now it was in my but it was really nice.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed him and had I stayed with you?
Speaker 1: They did, Yeah, for a couple of nights, and they're
Speaker 1: both lovely. There were a couple from New York who
Speaker 1: I didn't make the hoo yeah. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: talking about a big Jesus you would die.
Speaker 2: He's hiding his husband from me.
Speaker 1: Oh you'll he'll come back. He'll come back, big dick
Speaker 1: bottom though more more than yeah, Yeah, we love that.
Speaker 1: So has it been enjoyable for the most part since
Speaker 1: September twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been fun. It was starting was a little stressful,
Speaker 3: but because I was only doing solo stuff. So I
Speaker 3: did my first clad with Leo Bacchus. He's uh, he's
Speaker 3: based out of Montreal. I believe he usually he usually bottoms.
Speaker 3: But I was so fucking nervous. Obviously didn't have any
Speaker 3: of those aids that we have now. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I won't be able.
Speaker 1: To performance enhancement, not not not the but we all
Speaker 1: thought of for a second, got it?
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, Actually, thank you, thank you for that, Clari.
Speaker 3: This is the second time I made this mistake, So
Speaker 3: that was really nervous. There was like nerve wracking for me.
Speaker 3: And then so I bought him for him, and then
Speaker 3: I went for another collab and bought him for the
Speaker 3: other the next guy who's a local Toronic creator, So
Speaker 3: that that one day I'm like, I'm just I got
Speaker 3: two collabs and and then I didn't film for several
Speaker 3: months after that because I was I just didn't know
Speaker 3: how to do this. No, I didn't hit it at all.
Speaker 3: It was both were amazing, like it was just so
Speaker 3: much fun. I just don't know where to go from there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like, I was obviously like the contentation involved
Speaker 3: so much work. You gotta edit, you gotta post, you
Speaker 3: gotta put like stuff on Twitter for to promote it.
Speaker 3: It's not easy and I didn't know where to start.
Speaker 3: So but now, thankfully I have a content manager. I've
Speaker 3: got Connor Fariss with load Cown Studios in Toronto, and
Speaker 3: he helps me out with all my content stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how like has that made it a lot easier.
Speaker 3: So much easier. And the thing with with Connor is
Speaker 3: that we have a very good working relationship. So I
Speaker 3: always like on my videos because I'm with him, even
Speaker 3: if he doesn't have any role to play, and I'll
Speaker 3: always put like it's this is a load count story
Speaker 3: production and all of that. Him and I we just
Speaker 3: got nominated for a Gravy for we did a fourteen
Speaker 3: guy orgy in Toronto and that got nominated for a graviy.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we win with your graduation.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: It was odd and unexpected, but let's see. And but yeah,
Speaker 3: he's made my life way easier. And also he does
Speaker 3: events and so every year he'll do one event in
Speaker 3: PV where he gets a bunch of guys together filming
Speaker 3: on the beach and he'll get a private beach book.
Speaker 3: And then every August he does a Creator Gone in Toronto,
Speaker 3: which is I think this time it's like August twenty
Speaker 3: second or something. But he does that. So that helps
Speaker 3: with content creation and getting people together and and so
Speaker 3: so I can go film. It makes my life easier
Speaker 3: as well. But yeah, that's been that's been great so far.
Speaker 3: It's been great. Initially it was nerve wracking, but it's
Speaker 3: been it's been amazing, and you get to meet so
Speaker 3: many new people, and I really enjoy all everyone that
Speaker 3: I've met there. They're super nice, like you're you've been
Speaker 3: super nice, Like we hang out. We hung out election night,
Speaker 3: we were sitting watching the results and so so we Surprisingly,
Speaker 3: I didn't expect this of the industry, but everyone's very
Speaker 3: nice and supportive and helpful most most.
Speaker 1: For the most part, you see yourself doing it for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 3: I don't see myself stopping anytime soon. Amazing, because it's there,
Speaker 3: I'm doing it. It's it's literally my way. Someone was saying, oh, listen,
Speaker 3: if you, if you, if you get into politics, and
Speaker 3: you you make it somewhere. Would you stop doing this?
Speaker 3: Would you ask the same of someone who had a
Speaker 3: convenience store on the side that you know you're in policies,
Speaker 3: you better shut that thing down. You wouldn't ask to say,
Speaker 3: this is my business, this is my work, this is
Speaker 3: the effort to put in for so many years trying
Speaker 3: to build something up. You can't just ask me to lead.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's like, I mean, I'm sure there
Speaker 2: will come a day where someone that has been in
Speaker 2: the adult industry wants to be in politics and people
Speaker 2: won't care anymore.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be me, It's gonna be May.
Speaker 3: Changing. The world is changing that people have less less, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, qualms about sex and and it's very imparent
Speaker 3: because if you look, even especially in the gay world,
Speaker 3: if you look like pretty much everyone has as an
Speaker 3: only fans. Now, whether they're pursued like an it with
Speaker 3: with any diligence or not, that's something.
Speaker 1: But everyone's like everybody and like fitness and yeah, you know, well,
Speaker 1: I mean this is why we do this podcast. We'd
Speaker 1: like to talk about it so that it becomes a
Speaker 1: little bit more you know, destigmatized, and you know it's
Speaker 1: okay to talk about it. It's exciting. It's exciting to
Speaker 1: have people with your very unique background showing that that
Speaker 1: they can do it and that they can enjoy themselves.
Speaker 1: And it makes some money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's fun, like honestly like it's it's
Speaker 3: it's one of those things that you know, you you
Speaker 3: make money, but you also have have fun as well.
Speaker 3: You get to meet new people. It's it's a different way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's. It's it's it's a very different experience than
Speaker 3: anything else I would have ever imagined doing.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on our show. Thank
Speaker 1: you so mucharing with us your story. That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I am really honored to be here.
Speaker 1: Good luck with the Daniel gainesbrook Path.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Cole, you got anything else?
Speaker 2: No, I think we're I think we covered it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds great. Well, Thank you so much. Thank everybody
Speaker 1: for watching at home and for listening. I'm Adam Ramsey,
Speaker 1: I'm Cole Connor. This has been sorry for asking. Bye
Speaker 1: now bye, this.
Speaker 2: Has been sorry for asking.
Speaker 1: Be sure to like, comment and subscribe, and until next time,
Speaker 1: stay sexy.