Speaker 1: Just I have seven six here pety five k CD
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Speaker 1: a Friday in my studio. Peter Bronson. Everybody knows Peter
Speaker 1: from his enquire days and all the wonderful books that
Speaker 1: he's written. I can only recommend you go to Amazon
Speaker 1: dot com is a place to find it is type
Speaker 1: in Peter Bronson, all the books that he's written will
Speaker 1: come up. Everyone is simply outstanding, all mostly all on
Speaker 1: local things like for example, I think Forbidden Fruit maybe
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. It's hardly hard to say not
Speaker 1: in our town, which is about the king of Smut,
Speaker 1: Hustler magazine, Larry Flint, and all the problems and legal
Speaker 1: challenges and things that we face back then. But they
Speaker 1: Forbid Fruit, the sin City Underworld, and the supper Club Inferno,
Speaker 1: which of course the mob had a direct connection with
Speaker 1: burning down the Beverly Hills supper club and all the
Speaker 1: criminal activity that went along with that. Names from the
Speaker 1: past like sleep Out Louis, Peter Bronson. I have so
Speaker 1: enjoyed your books and I really can't thank you, know,
Speaker 1: if not just for you know, providing the great entertainment
Speaker 1: but for documenting our local history in just such a
Speaker 1: fabulous way.
Speaker 2: Good to see you and welcome man.
Speaker 3: Great to see you. I always enjoyed doing your show.
Speaker 3: I love it and you do a great job, so
Speaker 3: thank you for inviting me back.
Speaker 1: That's kind of you that this is one of the
Speaker 1: benefits of my job I could speak with people like you.
Speaker 1: Last time we talked, it was on the man who
Speaker 1: Saved Cincinnati, Cincinnati History in Queen City of the West,
Speaker 1: and we all learned about the amazing the slaves that
Speaker 1: saved Cincinnati. They actually fought brigadestastic, just one little great
Speaker 1: lover of the book, so that thing went viral, like
Speaker 1: who knew about this exactly?
Speaker 3: It's such a great story and we should all be
Speaker 3: so proud of that history. Yeah, and yet it's all
Speaker 3: been forgotten. That's one of the things I love doing
Speaker 3: about this research is that I come across all these
Speaker 3: stories that Cincinnati are so important as a part of
Speaker 3: our history, and it's our story. It belongs to all
Speaker 3: of us, and yet we've forgotten it. It's a source
Speaker 3: of inspiration, it's a source of pride. It really makes
Speaker 3: me proud to live in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: To find these.
Speaker 1: Stories there you go, exactly right. We are as important
Speaker 1: as any other big city in the United States. We
Speaker 1: have our own history, and we've dedicated so much to
Speaker 1: the development of our country from right here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: So you're great about documenting all this. So I again
Speaker 1: to my listeners, strongly encourage you this. Now we pivot
Speaker 1: over to the brand new book, Promised Land, How the
Speaker 1: Midwest Was Won. Now, you and I were talking off
Speaker 1: Mike and I kind of I was asking you directly,
Speaker 1: how you get your inspiration, like the millions of topics
Speaker 1: you could come up with, How is it that there's
Speaker 1: one or one area east side? Okay, I'm gonna sit
Speaker 1: down and write an entire book on this area. This
Speaker 1: turns out to be what we can call, at least
Speaker 1: you agree with my description of it a prequel to
Speaker 1: The Man Who Saved Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, because I take it from the earliest,
Speaker 3: the earliest settlers who came to Cincinnati and settled on
Speaker 3: the north side, north bank of the Ohio River, which
Speaker 3: was extremely hazardous. Kentucky was settled first, and that had
Speaker 3: been somewhat tamed. It was still very dangerous, but the
Speaker 3: north bank of the Ohio River was absolutely no man's land,
Speaker 3: and the Revolutionary War veterans were given free land here
Speaker 3: because the treasury was broke and they couldn't pay these guys.
Speaker 3: So the idea was, Okay, go out to Ohio and
Speaker 3: help us open the Northwest Territory. And they did, and
Speaker 3: they're just amazing stories about these people. But the way
Speaker 3: I came to this was I have to go all
Speaker 3: the way back to when I first moved here in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two. And you may remember a city manager
Speaker 3: named Jerry new Farmer. Oh sure, yeah, So Jerry, when
Speaker 3: we went to lunch the first time I met him,
Speaker 3: he gave me a book called The Frontiersman by Alan Eckert,
Speaker 3: and that was all about Simon Kenton and his adventures
Speaker 3: in Kentucky and Ohio against Little Turtle and Blue Jacket,
Speaker 3: the Miami, and the Shawnee.
Speaker 4: And I just found that fascinating.
Speaker 3: So after I finished The Man Who Saved Cincinnati, I
Speaker 3: went back and started digging and it just clicked. It
Speaker 3: really felt good. So I took that period all the
Speaker 3: way up to the Civil War. So lou Wallace makes
Speaker 3: another appearance.
Speaker 2: The Man Cincinnati, Yes, along.
Speaker 3: With another great character named Charles Whittlesey, who was an
Speaker 3: officer in lou Wallace's command at Shiloh and then helped
Speaker 3: him build the defenses that saved Cincinnati and also is
Speaker 3: probably the earliest and foremost researcher and archaeologist of the
Speaker 3: mound culture around Cincinnati. His work is in the Smithsonian.
Speaker 3: And this guy, he was from Cleveland, but he was
Speaker 3: stationed here in Cincinnati, and he was.
Speaker 4: And there were mounds everywhere in those days. A lot
Speaker 4: of them have been.
Speaker 2: Just activated excavated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we had mounds in Anderson Township. We had
Speaker 3: in Anderson especially interesting because they had a mound where
Speaker 3: two guys went in. They built such elaborate tunnels in
Speaker 3: the nineteen twenties they had they were lighted with electric lights,
Speaker 3: and they went in there and they claimed that they
Speaker 3: found skeletons of people who were seven feet tall. Yeah,
Speaker 3: amazing stories. Okay, So we had mounds in Terrace Park
Speaker 3: in Milford and Indian Hill of course, all over the place.
Speaker 3: Even downtown Cincinnati had a really spectacular mound where an
Speaker 3: artifact was found that's known as the Cincinnati Tablet. And
Speaker 3: these mound cultures go back three thousand years and the
Speaker 3: culture of those people goes back as far as thirteen
Speaker 3: thousand years.
Speaker 4: Just think about it.
Speaker 2: Now, were multiple tries.
Speaker 1: I can't remember my Native American history, but I remember
Speaker 1: going out to see the mounds when I was in
Speaker 1: elementary school. They had a bus trip out there. Totally cool.
Speaker 1: But were they Was it one particular tribe or was
Speaker 1: this multiple tribes that that built the mounds various different
Speaker 1: Native American tribes.
Speaker 3: Well, we know that there were probably villages nearby because
Speaker 3: it would take thousands of people over long periods of
Speaker 3: time to build these mounds. They're just immense and they're
Speaker 3: perfectly engineered. How do they do perfect circles that are
Speaker 3: half mile across without transits or any of the modern
Speaker 3: equipment that we use today. It's fascinating. It's a mystery.
Speaker 3: You're going to have to read the book to find
Speaker 3: out more. But I'll tell you what these people had.
Speaker 3: Things like they had shells from the Pacific Ocean. They
Speaker 3: find in these mounds. They found shark's teeth from the
Speaker 3: Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So there was an elaborate, huge trading training culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the Ohio River and all of this part of
Speaker 3: Ohio right here, especially Cincinnati is really significant.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got to own a back pedal to you.
Speaker 1: You started out by talking about how the northern bank
Speaker 1: of the Ohio River was not developed. Yes, said it
Speaker 1: was hazardous and dangerous. The Kentucky side was what period
Speaker 1: of time are we talking about when you're talking about
Speaker 1: early settlers coming in and settling there as opposed to
Speaker 1: Native American tribes already existing here.
Speaker 3: Right seventeen eighties, right in the early seventeen eighties to
Speaker 3: the early seventeen nineties is really where all this significant
Speaker 3: history takes place, No kidding.
Speaker 4: The first families were.
Speaker 3: People like Ludlow stits Gano. All these in their papers
Speaker 3: are all still preserved at the Museum Center in their archives,
Speaker 3: and so I went through a lot of that stuff,
Speaker 3: and it was so much fun to find these stories.
Speaker 3: For example, I found the story of an eleven year
Speaker 3: old boy named Oliver Spencer who was taken by the
Speaker 3: Indians and held captive for two years. He was tortured,
Speaker 3: he was beaten, he was The Indians were absolutely merciless.
Speaker 3: In one four year period, they took fifteen hundred settlers
Speaker 3: and they would be tortured for days at a time.
Speaker 3: They might be scalped and killed, or they would be
Speaker 3: sold to the British. The British would pay one hundred
Speaker 3: dollars for a live hostage or fifty dollars for a scalp.
Speaker 3: So what they were the British were still really cranked
Speaker 3: about the Revolutionary War and enjoy losing. And what they
Speaker 3: decided is that to keep us from expanding west into
Speaker 3: to the land that they coveted for Canada, they would
Speaker 3: use the Indian tribes, the Miami and the Shawnee as
Speaker 3: their proxies, and they just encouraged them and what they
Speaker 3: called in those days depredations to terrorize these settlers.
Speaker 1: Now, did the prior to the British encouragement and egging
Speaker 1: on to engage in this murderous behavior, did they have
Speaker 1: a preconceived will to do that anyway because of how
Speaker 1: the white men had treated them. Did they already know
Speaker 1: in the back of their mind they didn't like these
Speaker 1: guys they're invaders?
Speaker 2: Was that the perception anyway?
Speaker 3: So the Shawnee, first of all, you're absolutely right, the
Speaker 3: Shawnee and the Miami this side of the Ohio River
Speaker 3: was theirs.
Speaker 2: Okay, And that's why it was so dangerous and unsettled.
Speaker 3: Exactly, And Kentucky was considered kind of a Switzerland or
Speaker 3: neutral hunting ground for all of the tribes around this area.
Speaker 3: But the northern part of Ohio was theirs. But also
Speaker 3: the torture, the brutality, the scalping, all of this was
Speaker 3: going on for hundreds, maybe thousands of years before the
Speaker 3: white man got here.
Speaker 4: So this is what the tribes.
Speaker 1: Waring among the tribes. Yeah, people always overlook that. They
Speaker 1: think it was Native American gets white people. But now
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't invest James right out, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is what was it? Since Cain slew abled there's always
Speaker 1: been problems of all people getting along together.
Speaker 3: And our civilization has certainly had its share of brutality too.
Speaker 1: More with Peter Broadson, he's in studio Promised Land, How
Speaker 1: the Midwest was Won. You can get a copy of
Speaker 1: that right on my blog page fifty five krs dot com.
Speaker 1: But I really encourage all of my listeners to check
Speaker 1: out all of Peter's works. You're just gonna love there.
Speaker 1: Such they're just page turns. You can't put them down.
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Speaker 1: a true honor it is for me, Brian Thomas, host
Speaker 1: to the thirty five krc Morning Show, to be talking
Speaker 1: to face to face in the studio. Peter Bronson, author
Speaker 1: of the most recent book Promised Land, How the Midwest,
Speaker 1: was one which we're calling up equal to his prior book,
Speaker 1: which is absolutely awesome, like they all are. The Man
Speaker 1: State of Cincinnati, were you were explaining this early history
Speaker 1: in the Cincinnati area, describing the Miami and the Shawnee
Speaker 1: very very very violent Native American Indian tribes killed a
Speaker 1: lot of white settlers, the north side of the Ohio River,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati very dangerous place to be. Kentucky, however, was a
Speaker 1: state at this time. Yes, and this is what you
Speaker 1: and I were talking about off air. And I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: I have forgotten so much about my history and the
Speaker 1: United States of America. It's embarrassing on some level. But
Speaker 1: you know, these kind of books sort of bring that
Speaker 1: back to mind, the evolution of our country. Yes, so
Speaker 1: this was the Northwest Territory generally, exactly.
Speaker 3: Britain had Great Britain, even though they lost to US
Speaker 3: in the Revolutionary War, they had decided that they were
Speaker 3: going to claim all of the Midwest, and just west
Speaker 3: of that was Spain, and then we also had France.
Speaker 3: So the world's superpowers were all kind of carving up
Speaker 3: the North American continent and deciding who would get it.
Speaker 3: The way Britain decided that they would get it would
Speaker 3: be to just encourage these Indian tribes to be terrorists
Speaker 3: and to make settling Ohio so dangerous and so bloody
Speaker 3: and horrible that the Miami Valley was actually in those
Speaker 3: days called the Miami Slaughterhouse. It was just that bad.
Speaker 3: I mean, people couldn't even leave their stockade. Places like
Speaker 3: Covalt Station, Columbia Station, with stations were little stockades or forts,
Speaker 3: and they were probably a footprint the size of your garage,
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit bigger.
Speaker 2: Maybe tiny houses?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well actually, and they would live in these little
Speaker 3: blockhouses about as big as a garage. One of them
Speaker 3: was James Kemper, who gave his name to Kemper Road,
Speaker 3: who founded Walnut Hills Academy, and he lived in one
Speaker 3: of those blockhouses.
Speaker 4: Picture this with sixteen children.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my okay. You know, logistically speaking,
Speaker 1: you know, we have our own bedroom in our house there,
Speaker 1: Peter Bronson. Logistically speaking, how do you build a family
Speaker 1: of sixteen children when everyone's living in the same room.
Speaker 1: A different way of living life back then, I must
Speaker 1: observe all right, kids, everybody out of the house. Mom
Speaker 1: and dad needs some quiet time out.
Speaker 2: I don't watch out for the Indians.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, but I mean you really had to have
Speaker 1: it almost called intestinal fortitude. Who just who accepts and
Speaker 1: adopts that by choice? Yes, that kind of life. These people,
Speaker 1: by the way, you're gonna be going in the most miserable, desolate,
Speaker 1: dangerous place in the Well, it wasn't in the United
Speaker 1: States by that, but in the territory. Well, well, I
Speaker 1: have fun, or you can move over to Kentucky and
Speaker 1: where they have a real, relatively stable life your choice.
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine people taking that on.
Speaker 3: Well, you got to think of it from their point
Speaker 3: of view, which is that they had been in a
Speaker 3: culture in Europe where they weren't allowed to have land,
Speaker 3: They weren't allowed to be anything but peasants under the
Speaker 3: thumb of some other autocratic dictator or monarch.
Speaker 2: Hold over the feudal area. So they those.
Speaker 3: Families that came to Ohio, this really was the promised land,
Speaker 3: because they described it as unbelievably rich soil, beautiful clean water,
Speaker 3: unbelievable forests to build your houses and to build log
Speaker 3: cabins and stations. And they would all come down on
Speaker 3: these little flatboats that are slightly bigger than a big car,
Speaker 3: go like huck Finn. Yeah, and they would have all
Speaker 3: of their livestock, all of their implements, all of their tools,
Speaker 3: all of their family eight or ten kids on one
Speaker 3: of these boats. And a lot of those boats were
Speaker 3: attacked by Indians before they even got here, and people
Speaker 3: were slaughtered. So but the land and the appeal of
Speaker 3: that freeland, freedom, ownership, good soil, clean water, a future,
Speaker 3: it was so strong for those people that they risked everything.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So at parallel could be drawn. People were
Speaker 1: drawn out west. Maybe because of the gold rush. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a commodity. You could become very, very wealthy.
Speaker 1: In this particular case of the mindset was you can
Speaker 1: be a landowner. Yes, so you can grow stuff, you
Speaker 1: can finally own your property. And they had such horrible
Speaker 1: experiences with the Indians. They sent the governor of the
Speaker 1: first governor of the Northwest Territory with was General Arthur
Speaker 1: Saint Clair, who was a revolutionary war veteran and he
Speaker 1: was a close friend of George Washington. He named Cincinnati Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: It was previously low Santyville. You've probably heard it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's the one who came and said, I don't
Speaker 1: like that name.
Speaker 3: It's kind of awkward, so I'm going to name it
Speaker 3: after a society that George and I belonged to.
Speaker 2: The Cincinnatis absolutely.
Speaker 3: But then he led an expedition to subdue the Indians
Speaker 3: and they were ambushed because he was a foolish general,
Speaker 3: and they were ambushed near Fort Defiance, and he was
Speaker 3: absolutely massacred. They called it the Battle of a Thousand
Speaker 3: Slain and the stragglers who came back, their wives and
Speaker 3: their children went with them, and they were all murdered.
Speaker 3: They were all massacred there in the woods. And the
Speaker 3: few who straggled back so much terrified Cincinnati that people
Speaker 3: almost abandoned Fort Washington, which was the only foothold we
Speaker 3: had in the Northwest territory. If that had happened, Great
Speaker 3: Britain would have taken all of the Midwest. This would
Speaker 3: all be Canada.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I was just having this wonderful conversation with Peter
Speaker 1: Bronson on air. Off air, we were talking about literature
Speaker 1: generally and talking about bookstores because he's going to be
Speaker 1: signing books at Joseph Beth Bookstore. He's a huge supporter
Speaker 1: Joseph Beth and please support your local bookstores. We only
Speaker 1: have like one laugh books. When are you going to
Speaker 1: be there, Peter.
Speaker 3: I'll be there on Saturdays starting at one o'clock and
Speaker 3: I'll be there for a few hours on most Saturdays leading.
Speaker 4: Up to Christmas.
Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful. I'm talking literature with him. I found out
Speaker 1: we were both huge Dostoyevsky fans. He's my favorite writer.
Speaker 1: So we just we could talk about this stuff all day.
Speaker 1: But we're going to move back to Promised Land. How
Speaker 1: the Midwest Was Won. His most recent book, again the
Speaker 1: kind of prequel to his prior book, The Man Who
Speaker 1: Saved Cincinnati early area history before the state was formed,
Speaker 1: the wars with the Native American tribes who were very
Speaker 1: murderous and slaughtered lots and lots of people, and they
Speaker 1: were cursed as we find. I've had an earlier agnon
Speaker 1: by the British. Also, this was a period of time,
Speaker 1: this this this development and before statehood.
Speaker 2: History where everybody had firearms.
Speaker 1: Used the British or big time on providing the Native
Speaker 1: American tribes with firearms to go do this slaughtering for
Speaker 1: them absolutely.
Speaker 3: In fact, there were laws in Cincinnati that you could
Speaker 3: not attend church without bringing your firearm. No really, yeah,
Speaker 3: because it was so dangerous. So to go from one
Speaker 3: station to another, you had to take armed guards, to
Speaker 3: even send out your daughters to get water two hundred
Speaker 3: yards from your blockhouse, to send your sons with weapons.
Speaker 1: So they had scouts out on the field kind of
Speaker 1: monitoring everybody's behavior. Oh my gosh, they were everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Abraham Covalt, who settled Covalt Station with his family,
Speaker 3: was scalped and murdered right under the walls of the stockade,
Speaker 3: I mean, right within sight of his family. So, I
Speaker 3: mean this was constantly happening. I think probably the most
Speaker 3: terrifying thing when I think about it, would be the torture,
Speaker 3: because the white settlers were very brutal. They took scalps,
Speaker 3: but what they did not do is kidnap people and
Speaker 3: torture them for two or three days for entertainment. And
Speaker 3: that was pretty routine in the Indian tribes. It was
Speaker 3: part of their culture. They believed that they could they
Speaker 3: could take your strength by doing that, and they could
Speaker 3: break you and they really enjoyed seeing people just broken
Speaker 3: down to nothingness. And so the types of torture are
Speaker 3: just defy the imagine nation.
Speaker 4: They were so creative.
Speaker 1: It's the stuff of I think of, you know, when
Speaker 1: you read about German the Nazis torturing people or murdering
Speaker 1: people outright, or the Japanese torturing people. And it's hard
Speaker 1: trying them on the bamboo fields and letting the bamboo
Speaker 1: shoots grow up. Misery and where do I mean where
Speaker 1: that comes from? And obviously apparently what I suppose white
Speaker 1: people brought some of that on themselves to some degree,
Speaker 1: they did.
Speaker 4: They did.
Speaker 3: In fact, there were times when the militias were sent
Speaker 3: out to punish white settlers who were breaking treaties and
Speaker 3: were who were murdering Indians, and this just became You
Speaker 3: can just imagine if you had found the remains of
Speaker 3: your brother, your father, your your son who had been
Speaker 3: tortured that way, there would be nothing that would stop
Speaker 3: you from trying to exact retribution.
Speaker 1: So just pop in my head, yea, yeah, Gaza Iran
Speaker 1: the terror as proxies well, and you know, the Russians
Speaker 1: didn't have a real easy shot when they invaded Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: I heard about all the torture that the Afghani people
Speaker 1: put the Russian soldiers they caught through baking them alive.
Speaker 1: Back to the Roman Empire and the devious ways go
Speaker 1: back to the Middle Ages and the torture chambers and
Speaker 1: the inquisition. Man mankind is just filled with all kinds
Speaker 1: of nasty stuff. There is some dark stuff, really necessarily
Speaker 1: out of line with the world's history at all.
Speaker 4: Not at all.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I think it does instruct
Speaker 3: us about, though, is there has been an attempt in
Speaker 3: the past thirty or forty years to rehabilitate the reputation
Speaker 3: of these tribes and make them sound less fierce and
Speaker 3: more innocent, and more the noble savage of Rousseau. And
Speaker 3: really this is just nonsense. I think even they would
Speaker 3: be offended by the notion that they weren't that fierce
Speaker 3: and terrorists, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, because again, they were duking it out amongst themselves
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Speaker 1: hell out of this hour of Peter Bronson and Studio
Speaker 1: Tucking promised Land. How the Midwest was one his most
Speaker 1: recent book and a series of fabulous books which you
Speaker 1: can find at Chile dog Press dot com. Peter Brownson's
Speaker 1: got his own publishing company, Chili Dog Press dot com.
Speaker 1: That makes things kind of nice. You don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about finding a publisher, Peter.
Speaker 4: That's right. My editor is kind of a jerk, but
Speaker 4: that's me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Joe wants to do? Is Rob Rider going
Speaker 2: to do the audiobook for this one?
Speaker 3: Yes, he's just finishing the audiobook for the Man from Whosave, Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: So I love that guy.
Speaker 4: Rob Ryder is a fantasty guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, we just had lunch the other day at where
Speaker 3: Covalt station.
Speaker 1: How about that? That does not shock me? So, josepheth
Speaker 1: this Saturday.
Speaker 3: Right coming up in December, December Saturdays, okay, and then
Speaker 3: on December first, I'm doing I'm signing at the Little
Speaker 3: Miami Brewing Company for the Beer Can Collectors of America.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a festival for all these guys who
Speaker 3: collect all things related to beer.
Speaker 1: I remember beer can collections and I was a little kids.
Speaker 1: We're all the rage back in the seventies. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's still going. Well, that doesn't shock me, so,
Speaker 1: jillidog press dot com or to get this book of
Speaker 1: Joe's put on the blog page forty five casy dot
Speaker 1: com a guy we have not you and I talked
Speaker 1: about off air about this character, but I wanted to
Speaker 1: let my listeners know something they're going to find out
Speaker 1: about when they read The Promised Land.
Speaker 2: Mad Anthony Wayne.
Speaker 4: Yes, what a fantastic character.
Speaker 3: He's the kind of character when I'm doing research I go, Wow,
Speaker 3: I couldn't make this guy up if it was a novel.
Speaker 3: He is so interesting. So he was a revolutionary war
Speaker 3: hero again. He was at Valley Forge with Washington. He
Speaker 3: got the term Mad Anthony because he was so tough.
Speaker 3: He led a bayonet charge straight up a mountain side
Speaker 3: and took Stony Point from the British under their cannons,
Speaker 3: and he wouldn't even let his men load their guns
Speaker 3: because he said he wanted to use bayonets because they're quieter. Oh,
Speaker 3: and they inspire so much terror. Well, when after Arthur
Speaker 3: Saint Clair was completely demolished and defeated and Cincinnati in
Speaker 3: the Northwest Territory was in jeopardy from the British, George
Speaker 3: Washington turned to his friend Anthony and he said, this
Speaker 3: is the guy I want to send him. Well, that
Speaker 3: was shocking to Congress at the time. Because Mad Anthony
Speaker 3: was a total scoundrel, a rogue. When he was fighting
Speaker 3: a war, he was great, But in peacetime he was
Speaker 3: a complete failure. He was cheating on his wife, he
Speaker 3: was in debt up to his ears. He was kicked
Speaker 3: out of Congress for voter fraud. Yeah, and he was
Speaker 3: in just a complete disgrace. And so when George Washington
Speaker 3: tapped him for this job to go save the Northwest Territory,
Speaker 3: the Congress almost wouldn't approve it, but he was sent
Speaker 3: and he formed the first paid, formal, congressionally approved US Army.
Speaker 3: And some of the units that served under Matt Anthony
Speaker 3: Wayne are still in the US Army today and trace
Speaker 3: their origin all the way back to that about that
Speaker 3: and he launched from Fort Washington and Cincinnati and built
Speaker 3: the chain of forts, and he won the independence and
Speaker 3: the freedom and safety of the North with the whole
Speaker 3: Northwest Territory at the Battle of Fallen Timbers when he
Speaker 3: defeated the Confederation of Tribes, and it was such a
Speaker 3: sound defeat. There was a British fort nearby called Fort Miami,
Speaker 3: and the Indians had thought they could take refuge in
Speaker 3: that if they were defeated, and when they got there,
Speaker 3: the British wouldn't open the gates. So the British completely
Speaker 3: lost all of their support and backing in the Indian tribes.
Speaker 3: But what's more, when Matt Anthony got to the British fort,
Speaker 3: he rode out alone on his horse and rode right
Speaker 3: under the walls of the British fort.
Speaker 2: How about that.
Speaker 3: With all these muskets trained on him, and they didn't
Speaker 3: dare shoot him because he had his whole army in
Speaker 3: the woods.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a guy guy You mentioned him being
Speaker 1: this absolute miserable person in his private life. Basically yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking on the heels of Matt Gates thrown
Speaker 1: at a towel of this Pete Heggs philandering thing going
Speaker 1: on that might put him in trouble. Best thing's pale
Speaker 1: by comparison this guy and this guy was wildly successful.
Speaker 2: Now as a hero, can't judge a book by its covering.
Speaker 4: Your heroes or where you get them.
Speaker 1: Exactly more one more with Peter Bronson, We'll catch yourself
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Speaker 1: Seven fifty fifty five KRCD Talks station Brian Thomas with
Speaker 1: Peter Bronson in studio talking about his new book which
Speaker 1: everyone should get Promised Land How the Midwest was won.
Speaker 1: But before we get back to Peter, it is that
Speaker 1: time of week where we catch ourselves a crime stopper,
Speaker 1: bad guy the week. Welcome back to the morning show
Speaker 1: Officer Lisa Big with the wonderful Cincinnai Police Department. Look
Speaker 1: at this guy, he looks mean. Who we looking for, Lisa.
Speaker 6: Good morning. We are looking for Jason Haynes. He's wanted
Speaker 6: for fellony, domestic violence, unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.
Speaker 6: Jason Haynes. He's a white male. He's thirty nine years old.
Speaker 6: He's six foot tall, two hundred and twenty one pounds,
Speaker 6: has a history of THELONEUS assault and domestic violence charges,
Speaker 6: and he frequents.
Speaker 1: And would I hate people who commit domestic violence. Jason
Speaker 1: get a life man, walk away. Anyhow, if we know
Speaker 1: where Jason Haynes's wife, Beater is I'm gonna assume that anyway,
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do, Lisa Baker give crime.
Speaker 6: Stop as a call five one three three five two
Speaker 6: thirty four. You can't always assume that either, I.
Speaker 1: Know, I know, I know, I apologize, he said. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm never putting words in your mouth, Lisa Baker, as
Speaker 1: always me, I take credit so his pictures on my
Speaker 1: blowy past few five Percy dot com. You remain anonymous
Speaker 1: drop of diamond. Um, you'll be eligible for a cash
Speaker 1: reward and be doing society a favor and getting this
Speaker 1: recidivious domestic violence abuser off the street. Thank you Lisa
Speaker 1: Baker for indulging me. Back to Peter Bronson, all right,
Speaker 1: you got mad Anthony Wayne, you got all the history
Speaker 1: of the early days of the greater Cincinnati area. You've
Speaker 1: talked all morning about the perils of someone biting off
Speaker 1: the opportunity, and it was in their mind, an opportunity
Speaker 1: to live in this unbelievably treacherous world. Yes, that's just
Speaker 1: amazed over that. The spine, the tenacity, the willpower.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked earlier about how inspiring and proud
Speaker 3: these stories made because this is one of those These
Speaker 3: are the people Cincinnati was founded on. There's some tough people,
Speaker 3: and we get to we follow these families up to
Speaker 3: about eighteen thirty six. So in eighteen thirty six the Alamo.
Speaker 3: You remember the Alamo, right, everybody remembers the Alamo. Well,
Speaker 3: Texas in there, A lot of us don't remember what
Speaker 3: that was all about. Texas was actually part of Mexico
Speaker 3: and they were fighting for independence from Mexico. And Santa Anna,
Speaker 3: who was Generalissimo el Presidente of Mexico, decided he would
Speaker 3: personally lead thousands and thousands of Mexican troops up into
Speaker 3: Texas and just completely lay waste to these upstarts.
Speaker 4: And he gets to the Alamo, of course we know
Speaker 4: that story.
Speaker 3: He also massacred a bunch of prisoners at Goliad, which
Speaker 3: was in those days they would say remember Goliad just
Speaker 3: as often as remember the Alamo. And so Texas sent
Speaker 3: a secret agent, one of their secret service guys. His
Speaker 3: name was Francis pickI Yun Smith, great Texas name, and
Speaker 3: he was sent to all over the Midwest, and he
Speaker 3: came to Cincinnati and he appealed for help, and Cincinnati
Speaker 3: was the only city that stood up and helped Texas. Really, yes,
Speaker 3: and it was these same families who knew what it
Speaker 3: was like to fight for their property and their freedom
Speaker 3: in the Northwest Territory. So we had these families like
Speaker 3: the Litols, like the Ludlows, like all these famous names
Speaker 3: that we know now. Well, these families risked everything because
Speaker 3: they violated the National Neutrality Act to help what would
Speaker 3: be an insurgency in a foreign country because Texas was
Speaker 3: part of Mexico. Well, they risked. Some of them were congressmen,
Speaker 3: there were newspaper publishers, and some of them even went
Speaker 3: and fought for Texas and enlisted so and one of
Speaker 3: them was killed at Goliad. Well, what Cincinnati did was
Speaker 3: it forged two cannons and they sent them down to Texas.
Speaker 3: And while Sam Houston was running for his life, he
Speaker 3: finally had the big set peace battle at Sanjacinto near Houston.
Speaker 3: And if not for those canons, which Santa Anna did
Speaker 3: not know that Houston had, Texas would have lost its
Speaker 3: independence and today Texas would be part of Mexico. It
Speaker 3: was Cincinnati that saved Texas in eighteen thirty six.
Speaker 1: Easilise the stuff you find out in your and I
Speaker 1: asked you off air about writing as a process, and
Speaker 1: your your eyes lit up. Yeah, it's so obvious how
Speaker 1: much you enjoy this. And you did point out that
Speaker 1: the best part about it is the research. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: just going through all the old records and coming up
Speaker 1: with these tidbits and wild information like you just pointed out. Folks,
Speaker 1: get a copy of Peter Ronson's most recent book, Promised Land,
Speaker 1: How the Midwest Was Won, and I can confidently recommend
Speaker 1: all the other books on Peter's very long list of
Speaker 1: just wonderful wonderful read Just go to chilidog press dot com.
Speaker 1: You get signed copies when you order it from your
Speaker 1: work exactly.
Speaker 4: Yes, I will sign all the copies I sent out.
Speaker 3: And if you go to my website right now, I'm
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Speaker 4: Oh well, so that's a great way to do your
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Speaker 1: Yeah, get multiple copies of those sets, because you know
Speaker 1: there is more than one person you're buying gifts for
Speaker 1: in your life, and if they don't live under the
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Speaker 1: Christmas shopping all the way done at Chili Dogpress dot com.
Speaker 1: I have Joe add that link to my blog page
Speaker 1: fifty five KR's dot com. Peter, you are always welcome
Speaker 1: in my studio. We can talk about anything all day long,
Speaker 1: and you know, quite often there's nothing I like more
Speaker 1: than getting away from politics and talking about me too.
Speaker 1: I'll look forward to seeing again, and you know what,
Speaker 1: have a very happy Thanksgiving me YouTube.
Speaker 2: Brian.
Speaker 4: It's always good to be with you. Always enjoy it.
Speaker 1: You got a welcome spot right here, folks, don't go away.
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Speaker 2: Some people know him as such.
Speaker 1: I know him as the creator of the Help Squad,
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Speaker 1: gonna hear from Brian, and then my mouth is watering already.
Speaker 1: Kimberly from the Saint Anthony Patowick Church with Mediterranean food festival,
Speaker 1: food and information about that going on this weekend.
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