WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.200 You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 2 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:11.640 Discernment. We have people call up every single week talking 3 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.000 about discernment, and it's an important question and each case 4 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:19.320 may pose a different look at the word and the 5 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:24.239 action of discernment. But today I want you to think 6 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:30.640 about the day to day circumstances that you have to judge, 7 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:35.840 both spiritual and physical, and how to fine tune yourself 8 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:42.439 to that place of good discernment, that place of having 9 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:44.840 the sense of an old cow and eating the hay 10 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:52.880 and leaving the six Sometimes it's it's not always as 11 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.560 cut and dry as you'd like, And to develop the 12 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:07.680 ability to sift through things is a it's a great tool. 13 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.560 So today I want to talk about what scripture has 14 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:16.640 to say about discernment. Often, discernment is talked about in 15 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:20.879 scripture as judging, having the wherewithal to make a decision 16 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:26.799 between two or more options or things. But that word 17 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.040 judge or judgment takes on a negative connotation sometimes and 18 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:37.280 people get the word confused. One Corinthians two fifteen says, 19 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:45.680 but he that is spiritual judges all things. Matthew seventy 20 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:52.359 to one says, judge not lest you be judged, and 21 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:54.560 people get caught up in that, and the believer looks 22 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:57.799 around and says, okay, I'm not supposed to judge. And 23 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:01.599 unfortunately the world looks at this and they remember only 24 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:04.079 the parts of scripture that they can use in some 25 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:08.879 sort of defense of their own ways and actions. They 26 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:13.919 remember this and they say, look, see it says, don't judge. 27 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:18.000 But you need to learn to know the difference when 28 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:23.000 scripture uses the word judgment and how it's meant. Does 29 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:28.960 it mean discernment or does it mean criticism? The Late 30 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:35.120 Great New Testament scholar F. F. Bruce pen this judgment 31 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.080 is an ambiguous word in Greek, as it is in English. 32 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.360 It may mean sitting in judgment on people or even 33 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:46.520 condemning them, or it may mean exercising a proper discrimination. 34 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:53.560 In the former sense, judgment is depreciated. In the latter sense, 35 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:59.159 it is recommended. So knowing the difference of when to 36 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.800 of what discerning is, and if you're in judgment or 37 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:13.319 in criticism versus you're actually analyzing a situation, discerning when 38 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:15.599 something is good for you or bad for you, or 39 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:21.560 good for the situation or bad for the situation. You 40 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:25.800 need to look deep into things. It's very easy to 41 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:29.360 get to that place where where you kind of just 42 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:33.680 look at the surface. You concern your things yourself with 43 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:38.120 the things that are our surface or topical, rather than 44 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:43.080 digging deep. Tewod Corinthians ten to seven warns against this. 45 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.960 It says that you are looking only at the surface 46 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:52.000 of things that doesn't have benefit. John seven to twenty 47 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:57.159 fours is stop judging by mere appearances and make a 48 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:01.800 right judgment lying there that a right judgment is not 49 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:08.280 made simply by appearance. That's when judgement becomes a problem, 50 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:14.400 when it's it's you only looking at the the most 51 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:20.199 surface part of the issue and making a judgment, trying 52 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.639 to jump to a quick conclusion, rather than really understanding 53 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:29.639 what's taking place and why. And this becomes a huge 54 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:37.480 part of discernment, understanding and making that conclusion or judging 55 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:43.839 things properly. You know this by testing things, by examining 56 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:50.800 everything as first Thessalonians five twenty one says, examine everything carefully, 57 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:55.519 hold fast to that which is good. We talk about 58 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:59.160 that constantly on the program to test all things, holding 59 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:03.319 fast to that which is good. It's okay to examine, 60 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.680 to probe, to ask questions, even about your own faith, 61 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:13.759 because in doing so, it shows one its value and 62 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.800 that you care about it enough to know the question 63 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:23.480 to be curious. But two, it's it's you not just 64 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:29.720 giving into the surface. As John seven said, You're not 65 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.040 judging by mere appearance. You're trying to make the right 66 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:37.399 decision and the right judgment, and that comes from examining everything, 67 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.360 looking at all sides. How many times on this very 68 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.720 program does someone call up about a job situation that's 69 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:50.600 a tough decision, and oftentimes there's moving involved, more money involve, 70 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:54.480 less money involved, changes to the family lifestyle. These things 71 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.959 should all be looked at when you want to come 72 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:02.040 to a conclusion or using proper discernment as to what 73 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:07.600 that decision should be. Good discernment, although it can be 74 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:13.959 a craft at ability that can be honed for speed 75 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.959 or to be more efficient, that it shouldn't be something 76 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:23.560 you rush into. Just like looking at the appearance of 77 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:28.519 something or scratching at the surface of a concern a situation, 78 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.959 you don't want to rush into things. Proverbs nineteen two 79 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:38.399 says that it's not good to have zeal without knowledge, 80 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:45.839 nor to be hasty and miss the way, because these 81 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:51.759 things are important. Every little bit of an issue is 82 00:06:51.839 --> 00:07:00.319 part of what you should be looking at, examining why 83 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.240 is this knowledge so important, Why is taking the time 84 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:12.040 so important? Because ignorance can bring destruction. It's not just 85 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:16.560 a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is the absence of more 86 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.480 tools that knowledge that will help you make the proper 87 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:23.720 decisions that will help you through that road of discernment. 88 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.480 Hoseiah four to six is my people are destroyed for 89 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:37.759 lack of knowledge, that kind of ignorance that leads you 90 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:41.360 to a bad decision, or leads you down a bad 91 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.560 road or something not healthy or productive. It is what 92 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:53.199 you are trying to steer away from. When you deal 93 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:57.920 with discernment, you're dealing with getting all of the information 94 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:02.360 you can, placing it in front of you and examining it, 95 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:09.639 not being surfaced, but going below and truly analyzing and 96 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:15.439 dissecting what's beneficial for you, what's beneficial for the whole, 97 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:21.519 for the family, for the group or community. Even when 98 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:26.399 people start to separate themselves and just think selfishly, is 99 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:32.559 when greater problems arise. The things that I command of you, 100 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:39.559 or request or even demand in scripture are not just 101 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.320 to be some sort of control freak. It really comes 102 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:49.080 down to knowing what's best for you, knowing what's best 103 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.480 for the whole, and asking you to participate in these 104 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:53.879 things or not to participate, as the case may be. 105 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:54.759 So that. 106 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:59.919 So that you can be a part of the whole, 107 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:06.440 not in some strange metaphysical sense, but truly knowing that 108 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:11.879 you are to communicate, worship with one another, spend time 109 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.600 with one another, and even be held responsible for the 110 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:22.080 decisions each person makes. This is why discernment is so powerful, 111 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:30.840 so potent, so important. Don't get lost in just your way. 112 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.320 In this sense, in Hoseiah that an entire people are 113 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:42.000 destroyed due to lack of knowledge, to discernment becomes most valuable. 114 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:50.039 The importance of discernment cannot be understated, nor can it 115 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:55.919 be overstated. The importance of being able to discern how 116 00:09:55.960 --> 00:10:01.200 you deal with any situation or any decision or choice 117 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:09.360 in life is important. However, often people will look beyond 118 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.919 scripture and not really understand that the majority of your 119 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.840 decisions can be understood and applied to the things of Scripture. 120 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:23.960 It's funny how God does that right, and throughout scripture 121 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:29.840 it points to ways and understanding and tools to be 122 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.600 used when discerning. Don't look at the surface things. Don't 123 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:38.240 judge by appearance, test everything, hold fast to that which 124 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:44.159 is true, which you can know. Judge using your spiritual 125 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:50.320 knowledge based on scripture. You know the difference between judgment 126 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:54.360 as far as criticism versus judgment as far as discernment, 127 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:04.639 that ignorance can bring diruction. So to educate, educate yourself, 128 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:11.080 show yourself approved is imperative. True discernment is is kind 129 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.559 of a big picture thing, not just what's in front 130 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.960 of you, but observing everything around you. This is an 131 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:23.279 interesting verse. Matthew sixteen three says, and in the morning 132 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:27.080 there will be a storm today, for the sky is 133 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.879 red and threatening. Do you know how to discern the 134 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:35.080 appearance of the sky but cannot discern the signs of 135 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:41.240 the times? And this, this verse is asking you to 136 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.320 pull away from from just those things that you're seeing 137 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:48.159 or understanding and using them as tools to understand the 138 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.039 bigger picture, not just the storm in front of you, 139 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:58.399 but what the season is or the sign of the times, 140 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:04.840 often a reference to things that are to come. And 141 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:09.519 you're to discern things by God's standards. You know the 142 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:15.679 difference to immerse yourself in God's word is the key 143 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:25.799 John eight fifteen sixteen. You judge by human standards, But 144 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:31.279 if I do judge, my decisions are right because I 145 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:34.120 am not alone. I stand with the Father who sent me. 146 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.159 I have much to say in the judgment of you, 147 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.159 but he who sent me is reliable, and what I 148 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:46.759 have heard from him. I tell the world that relationship 149 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.879 of understanding between that which you read and know in 150 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:54.200 scripture and that how that in which you use to 151 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.720 apply to everyday life scripture will help guide you into 152 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.159 discernment Hebrews four twelve. The Word of God is living 153 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:11.639 and active. It judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Eric. 154 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:12.919 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 155 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.080 Yes, hello, I've got a very serious question for you. 156 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.279 Okay, I'll give you a very serious answer. 157 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.759 What is the meaning of our being here? And the 158 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.960 reason I'm asking that is I ran into a crisis, 159 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.639 lost everything that I had. I had a business, had 160 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:31.480 a nice truck, I had lots of toys, everything like that. 161 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.679 It all went down. So I was just like, what 162 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.360 am I going to do now? So what I ended 163 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.399 up doing I talked to an old friend of mine, 164 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.039 came back to where I grew up, and I tried 165 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.399 to start a charity to help save the lives of 166 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:52.080 dogs and cats. Fifteen thousand are being utianized every year, 167 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:57.120 and nationwide it's three or four million every year, and 168 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.799 these are innocent lives. So I tried to sort of 169 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:04.080 share already, you know, to try to change that, and 170 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:08.600 I got such a negative response from people. It just 171 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:09.200 shocked me. 172 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:11.799 What what do you mean by negative response? 173 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:15.039 I talked to people on the phone and they said 174 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:20.320 they empathized with the situation, but they did nothing to 175 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.600 help me help these animals. So I mean I ended 176 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.200 up having to shut it down, get a job, and 177 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:30.720 I've been struggling ever since to just try to make 178 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.600 you know, a living for myself while this is going on. 179 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:37.559 So what I'm wondering is, I mean, I totally devoted 180 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:41.480 everything that I had to stop this evil that's going on, 181 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:46.039 and I got absolutely no support from anybody. 182 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.039 Well, I mean, there's a lot of charities and a 183 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:51.080 lot of good causes out there, wouldn't you agree here? 184 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:52.399 Of course? 185 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:54.960 Okay, there's a lot of and people are bombarded by 186 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:58.360 them on a daily basis, and many people have already 187 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:03.519 through the maturity of their decisions had in their lives. 188 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.879 Have you know, they already have charities that they work 189 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.559 with or and sometimes they can't do anything. And something 190 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.080 that is your passion may not be other people's passions 191 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:15.480 as well. And the whole point I would imagine the 192 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:17.799 purpose of doing this is not only to stop it, 193 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:19.559 but to make people aware of it so that it 194 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:23.279 eventually stops as well. So it's not like just making 195 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:27.480 it stop in that one moment. It's that building awareness 196 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.799 is part of the purpose of any charity work or 197 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:34.399 anything that is noble is to build that awareness first. 198 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:38.720 And there's no one around saying that you didn't do that. 199 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:41.480 As far as the meaning of life, and I know 200 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.200 that that was your first question, but it was more 201 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:48.600 of a segue into your life situation. I will tell 202 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:51.720 you this, it's quite simple, Eric. The meaning of life 203 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.240 is to use your gifts and abilities along lines of 204 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.080 excellence to the edification of yourself and the edification of 205 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.360 others and to the glory of God. That's it. And 206 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.799 that doesn't say anything about success. That doesn't say anything 207 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:10.600 about you're going to make money, and it doesn't make 208 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.480 anything say any of that. It just means you're called 209 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:16.720 to utilize those gifts and abilities in a way that's 210 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:20.120 beneficial to yourself and to others in a healthy way, 211 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:22.440 and that it glorifies God. 212 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:27.120 So how do I project that to other people? I mean, 213 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.879 we're talking about something that's a very serious problem, and 214 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:35.840 it's something that people can help with, but they choose 215 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:40.200 not to. And it's I mean, how can you see 216 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:44.639 something that horrible and not do something about it? You know, 217 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:48.440 I know people have their own limitations, but the response 218 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.679 I was getting was so discouraging. It was just unbelievable. 219 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:54.200 How many charities do you donate to Eric? 220 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.559 Myself? I don't have the means right now to do that. 221 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:03.559 Okay, So they mean have the means either, Well. 222 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.519 That's that's not true. I mean in terms of the people. 223 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.039 I mean, I e, how many how many charities do 224 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:10.920 you donate your time to? Eric? 225 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.079 Well? At the Well? I full time? So the one 226 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:15.599 I started? 227 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.240 Okay, So there's there's there's limitations in all things. And 228 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:21.440 I know that people get on their pet causes and 229 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:23.240 this is your focus and it should be and you 230 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:25.359 should be passionate about it and you should want to 231 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:29.880 see things done. But there are there are hundreds of 232 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:34.279 thousands of charities, both both large and small, throughout the 233 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:40.079 United States and the globe that need attention, and your 234 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:44.759 main goal above all else is to articulate this need 235 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.839 in a way that motivates motivates people of like minds 236 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:54.519 or interests to participate. If you didn't do that, there's 237 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.880 only one of two things happening. One they're not interested 238 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:00.640 and won't be interested, or two you didn't articulate it 239 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.640 well enough for them to understand the need. So both 240 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:06.480 of those can be addressed with. If the person isn't interested, 241 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.000 you tip your hat and you move along to the 242 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:13.720 next And if they are, would be interest, but you're 243 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.039 not provoking that or lighting that fire, then you need 244 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:19.200 to look at the way you're setting up and explaining 245 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.519 the need and what's going on. Those are the only 246 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:24.799 real options. It's very easy to put it on the 247 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:26.200 rest of the world and say, well, the rest of 248 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.400 the world doesn't have love in their heart for these things. 249 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:31.720 That's not true because there wouldn't be hundreds of thousands 250 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:35.839 of charities to boot, there wouldn't be all these things around. 251 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:39.519 You can't just you sound like you're pouting, like you 252 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:42.640 didn't get it your way. The way you expected it, 253 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.119 and I don't think that that's the healthiest way to 254 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:45.440 do it. 255 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.759 The thing that disappointed me was just the sheer level 256 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:56.680 of just non response. It was just e floored me. 257 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.319 I mean, did you look to see if there was 258 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:00.960 any other charities working towards that goal at all, either 259 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.440 in your area or in another. 260 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:04.400 There are tons of them everywhere. 261 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.400 Then how come you didn't sign up with one of theirs? 262 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:10.240 How come you didn't go and volunteer and participate in 263 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.240 an organization that was already started because they don't go. 264 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:16.359 To the root of the problem. They're treating the symptom. 265 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:18.480 As an example, there are people that I know that 266 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:21.759 have fifteen dogs or cats in their house and try 267 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:25.720 to save their lives, but doesn't stop where these animals 268 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:29.599 are coming from. And so there's there's nobody out there 269 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:31.519 that's really solving the problem. 270 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.000 But maybe they went And I'm with you on that, 271 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.319 because there's nothing more frustrated than people putting band aids 272 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:42.480 on things that need to be amputated. But Eric, the 273 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.039 bigger concern here, Eric, is that maybe maybe they've tried 274 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.119 going down that path. Maybe they've gone down the path 275 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.480 you've gone down and found it to be unproductive, and 276 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.599 they said, Okay, we're going to work backwards now, and 277 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:59.599 we're going to try and triage the situation and help 278 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:01.759 where we can, and then work our way back to 279 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:03.759 a better understanding. 280 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:05.079 So that people never ending. 281 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:06.960 You know, life is that way. 282 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.079 Rescue organizations save two thousand animals a year in Tucson, 283 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.960 and fifteen thousands still get killed every year and the 284 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:15.519 number keeps rising. 285 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.160 But that's an education issue as well, because you have, 286 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.200 you know, movies coming out that have you know, puppies 287 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:23.759 in it or chihuahua's in it, and every child goes 288 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.519 that runs out and says, mommy, daddy, I wanta dalmatian, 289 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:31.400 I wanna a chihuahua, and the parents don't have the 290 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:38.720 fortitude to say no, that that having an animal in 291 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:43.839 your in your focus and in your care is a 292 00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:46.720 huge thing, and it's an undertaking and it's not about 293 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:49.400 they're here for you. It's about your here for them, 294 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:54.200 and it's education. But it starts at that most simple 295 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:58.119 level that every time a movie comes out with animals 296 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.640 in it, that's when you should be flying, that's when 297 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:02.720 you should be educating, that's when you should be talking 298 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:05.720 There's there's a process to it, Eric, that's powerful and 299 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:08.079 that will work. All you're telling me is that the 300 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.319 process you tried didn't work. It doesn't mean that it 301 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:14.000 won't work. You know, you walk out in the middle 302 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.640 of the movie and they all have bad endings. You 303 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.680 have to play this one out. And just because it 304 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.759 didn't happen overnight doesn't mean that it won't that the 305 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:25.400 problem didn't happen overnight. 306 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:29.559 Eric, this issy, you find a different path to the 307 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:30.480 root of the problem. 308 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:30.799 Yeah. 309 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.000 I think your passion is right on. I mean, you 310 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:36.039 definitely have a passion and that passion comes from God. 311 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:40.440 To be that focused, laser focused and desiring to to 312 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:44.119 do something like this is huge and I commend you 313 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:47.640 on that. But that doesn't mean every way you go 314 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:50.839 to execute it is the right way. You see people 315 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:53.880 do this all the time. People execute things poorly all 316 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:55.839 the time. So you go back and you say, well, 317 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:58.599 that didn't work. Whatever it was you were doing didn't work. 318 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.279 So now point two is uh, finding out why you 319 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.720 think it didn't work and and go back to education. 320 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.119 Education is always going to be the key, uh, you know, 321 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.119 muscling this situation is that's been growing for a long time. 322 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:17.720 And it's not just in Arizona. It's all over the place. 323 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:21.759 So uh, trying to muscle that you're you're going to lose. 324 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:27.160 There's because ignorance is a pretty strong beast and it's 325 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.079 out there everywhere in hordes, and. 326 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.079 It goes to it goes to a fundamental process. As 327 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.240 a matter of fact, I'll pay you a quick story here. 328 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:38.240 I was riding my bicycle home. I stopped at a 329 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.240 fast food place and there was a bird that was 330 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:43.640 sitting on a rail and it didn't budget didn't fly away. 331 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:47.359 There's obviously something wrong with it. Long story short, I 332 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:49.440 was riding away and I said, I can't just leave 333 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:52.160 this bird here, right, So I tried to get help. 334 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.880 I was on a bicycle and I needed to take 335 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:56.559 this thing five miles away. I tried to stop six 336 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.759 or seven people, even got a police officer to try 337 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:03.559 to help me with this little injured animal. Even the 338 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:05.119 police officer would. 339 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:08.960 Not help me because it's not it's not in their language. Eric, 340 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:10.279 it's not in their. 341 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.920 Language that that's really what my problem. 342 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.680 But you're you're you're stamping your foot saying you don't 343 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.319 believe like I do. And that's not that's not a healthier, 344 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.440 productive way to do it. They'll look at you like 345 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:23.319 your nuts. That cop is you know, on the on 346 00:23:23.319 --> 00:23:25.480 on call for all kinds of different things and sees 347 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.319 heinous things every day and says, you're you're really gonna 348 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:32.240 stop me to go take care of that bird right now. 349 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:37.319 That's not gonna motivate anybody. You can't just stomp around 350 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.599 and say you've got to you've got a care. That's 351 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:46.000 not how it works. You know, the the the early 352 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:48.599 Church didn't go around stopping saying you have to believe. 353 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.920 As a matter of fact, when uh, the Church in 354 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:57.160 its youth had leaders, had people that that you know, 355 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:02.440 were kings or leaders, governmental leaders that became Christians and 356 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.079 then felt, oh now people have to believe and started 357 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:10.680 forcing it on people. You got pollution and polluted Christianity, 358 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:14.400 which is you know, part of the garbage that exists today. 359 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.119 There's there, there's the pure line is is tossed out 360 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:22.920 because there was so much ugliness and forcing of people 361 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:25.519 to believe the Inquisition, these types of things ugly. It 362 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:31.400 doesn't produce faith or Christianity. It produces an ugly heritage 363 00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:34.720 of forcing people to believe. And you can't do that. 364 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:38.279 You have to woo them with information and desire to 365 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:40.920 let them see the problem, own the problem, and cure 366 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:48.480 the problem. Angel Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 367 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.000 Hello, Holy host, thank you for. 368 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.279 Taking my call, my pleasure. What's on your mind? 369 00:24:55.160 --> 00:25:00.720 Well, I don't I don't know my Bible very well. 370 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:05.440 I recommitted my life to God last summer, and I 371 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:08.359 did read the Bible. I read through the whole Bible 372 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.240 this year. But you know, I believe it's going to 373 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:18.640 take lots of study before I unders you know, understand 374 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:23.759 it better. My question is, and I've had some friends 375 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:29.359 that our non Christians asked me this, also, what is 376 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:35.079 the difference between your soul and your spirit? You know, 377 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:39.279 because it's used in the spiritual world and the secular world. 378 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:45.319 And I'm really curious and I really would like to know. 379 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:51.160 What the differences between those two. Yeah, it gets into 380 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.759 a lot of sticky theology. So I'll go through that 381 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:59.559 quickly and then point you to some scripture. Uh, the 382 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.799 the word actually translates to mean the breath of life. 383 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.440 And when you deal with the word soul, Now there's 384 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.480 a couple different views theologically, and this is where people 385 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:15.839 get kind of caught up. There's something called dichotomists and trichotomists. Okay, 386 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.400 the dichotomists hold that the soul and the spirit are 387 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.160 two same names, you know, are two names for the 388 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.119 same thing, and they think that that basically it comes 389 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.119 down to the dichotomists, is just what it sounds like 390 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:32.119 it means. It means that you believe that there is 391 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.279 the body and the soul, and the soul and spirit 392 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:36.880 are kind of the same thing. Well, there's a different 393 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:41.759 group that are trichotomists that believe that there's actually three parts, 394 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.720 that there's the body, the soul, and the spirit. So 395 00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.440 theologians go back and forth and debate this all the 396 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:50.000 time as to if the soul and the spirit are 397 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.960 two different things. I will point you to a couple 398 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.680 of verses, including Hebrews four to twelve, which is interesting. 399 00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.759 Listen to these words very quickly, For the Word of 400 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.880 God is living an active sharper than any two edged sword. 401 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:10.480