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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Iron the Ball here
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. In with
Speaker 2: me today's co host Jeff Skurrin, you know him, former
Speaker 2: high school football legit in town. How many years where
Speaker 2: I find you? You didn't pull you off the golf
Speaker 2: course today?
Speaker 3: You know I've never since I was a teenager, I
Speaker 3: haven't better golfer. So now you just pulled me away
Speaker 3: from doing honeydewes and.
Speaker 4: Chores and thank me later, thank you later.
Speaker 3: And poking into possible jobs. Oh all the things the
Speaker 3: recent retired do you know? You said at home? And
Speaker 3: you go, hmm, yeah, I make a mistake here or not?
Speaker 4: You suck at retirement.
Speaker 3: I my wife, for ins told Greg Hansen, you know,
Speaker 3: coach has only failed at four things in his life
Speaker 3: retirement four times.
Speaker 4: Four different times. Don't tell me you're looking to get back.
Speaker 3: I you know, it's yeah, I am, I am, And
Speaker 3: I'll get back to doing something and we'll just see
Speaker 3: what pops up and you know, it's not the coaching,
Speaker 3: it's not the time.
Speaker 4: With the kids.
Speaker 3: Some people talk about it's the parents and stuff. I've
Speaker 3: never had that problem really. I really like most of
Speaker 3: the parents. And well, a lot of it is I'm
Speaker 3: just proactive and I talk to people.
Speaker 4: And I enjoy what I do, and they know I
Speaker 4: enjoy what I do.
Speaker 3: And I think most people have come to learn that
Speaker 3: I know my stuff pretty decently, and so I just
Speaker 3: don't get a lot of that, a lot of the
Speaker 3: drunk yeah, and so that's never really bothered me. But
Speaker 3: it's the it's it's kind of the state of schools
Speaker 3: now and the adherence the rules and stuff. I don't
Speaker 3: have that on the field, but I have to deal
Speaker 3: with it all day long with teachers that that you know,
Speaker 3: don't understand what what a good athletic program or a
Speaker 3: good music program or good drama program things like that,
Speaker 3: what they can teach kids outside of the classroom area
Speaker 3: about their life and how to conduct themselves.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, we got question but that.
Speaker 3: But but but drama and band and that, they all
Speaker 3: those things do the same thing if you've got a
Speaker 3: good coach behind it. And I missed that part of it.
Speaker 4: Let's say.
Speaker 3: You know, I do a lot of that with my
Speaker 3: charity work now of course, and still work with kids
Speaker 3: and and just you know, I went this summer to
Speaker 3: Europe and I did eight clinics and we visited eleven countries,
Speaker 3: a lot of my old friends from coaching over there.
Speaker 2: You uh, when we came in, you know, I joked
Speaker 2: with you because I say, do you look good for
Speaker 2: your age? You don't have to say your age on
Speaker 2: the air if you don't want. But I'm sure the
Speaker 2: kids kept you younger.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about that at all.
Speaker 3: They certainly keep you lively, they keep you informed. And
Speaker 3: I'm the kind of teacher coach that when you ask
Speaker 3: a question, I want to give you an answer that's
Speaker 3: the real answer. I want to give you the full
Speaker 3: picture and the full story. So I did a lot
Speaker 3: of research and spend a lot of time because because
Speaker 3: I think answer asking questions is a good thing. I
Speaker 3: think that's what students are at school for, and I
Speaker 3: think as a good teacher coach, that's part.
Speaker 4: Of your responsibility. Back and forth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great, it's a lot of fun. You were
Speaker 5: in the business for Hull fifty years, fifty years, and
Speaker 5: I've said this all along, and then maybe you're going
Speaker 5: to say, Steve, you're wrong that the worst thing that
Speaker 5: happen to kids athletically are the parents, and now specifically
Speaker 5: because they seem the kids nowadays more so than in
Speaker 5: the past, they're the meal ticket.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing as a coach and a teacher, particularly
Speaker 3: if you if you, if you wear both hats.
Speaker 4: I see the kids of the morning when they get
Speaker 4: to school.
Speaker 3: I see the kids all day long, hanging out with
Speaker 3: the very kids you told them specifically not to be with.
Speaker 4: I see the kids. I see the kids at lunch.
Speaker 3: I see the kids after school before practice again, hanging
Speaker 3: out with the people that you probably wish they wouldn't
Speaker 3: hang out with.
Speaker 4: I see the kids for two two and.
Speaker 3: A half to three and a half hours of practice
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 4: I see him at night.
Speaker 3: I see him perform under the hardest stress you could
Speaker 3: ever imagine. If if a parent thinks that we don't
Speaker 3: know their children, they ought to walk in our shoes
Speaker 3: for a little bit. When you count up waking hours,
Speaker 3: I'm with that kid, yeah, ten times.
Speaker 4: More than a parent is. You're right, and so.
Speaker 3: I like talking to the kids, and I like talking
Speaker 3: to the parents, particularly the ones who are honest with
Speaker 3: me about what their child is like.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, because you're you're right, you
Speaker 2: do spend a lot of time, you know, from eight
Speaker 2: in the morning, if not earlier, till the end of
Speaker 2: the day, because they're with you at least for a
Speaker 2: few months, right, if not more months. Have you ever
Speaker 2: had a parent or two I'm sure you have, Jeff,
Speaker 2: what's going on? What's going on with our kid? You know,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure this out.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, oh yes, that's all. I get that all
Speaker 3: the time. I was educated here. I came to Tucson
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty four to come to graduate school. I
Speaker 3: was fortunate enough to get a scholarship at that time
Speaker 3: with one of the best psychology departments in the world,
Speaker 3: not the nation, but in the world, and I had
Speaker 3: a great faculty advisor, and I was I got. I
Speaker 3: received a great education psychology, and that served me so
Speaker 3: well to understand the dynamics of a kid and the
Speaker 3: world around them, which includes the parents, the home, the siblings,
Speaker 3: their friends, and of course what happens to them during
Speaker 3: the school day and with sports.
Speaker 2: So I get this question every now and again. And
Speaker 2: I've been doing this a while as well, and I've
Speaker 2: covered some great guys, great guys here in town for
Speaker 2: a number of years. Great and a couple, you know,
Speaker 2: not some great guys. But people ask me what makes
Speaker 2: the difference between a good kid and a bad kid?
Speaker 4: You know who you like?
Speaker 2: Talking to another guy you know is kind of so
Speaker 2: early and kind of a pain in the The one
Speaker 2: thing I say is they've got good parents.
Speaker 4: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Speaker 3: But let me tell you something, and hopefully a lot
Speaker 3: of parents and coaches out there will heal this. I
Speaker 3: never assume when a kid does something wrong, whether it's
Speaker 3: a play on the field or just doesn't act properly,
Speaker 3: do something like that, my first assumption is is maybe
Speaker 3: they were ever taught this. It's one thing to speak
Speaker 3: you're at a person, and I hear me speak at
Speaker 3: a person, not with a person. It's one thing to
Speaker 3: speed at a person. And that doesn't mean it gets absorbed.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean they understand it, that doesn't they learn it.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you take what I teach a kid
Speaker 3: like a quarterback, and so much of it is involves
Speaker 3: muscle memory and if you allow them to do it incorrectly,
Speaker 3: over time, it's almost impossible to change it. So if
Speaker 3: they've had a bad coach coming up teaching them, yeow,
Speaker 3: I think you should do it this way, and it's
Speaker 3: in fact the incorrect way. That's very challenging for me
Speaker 3: as a coach. So I've always assumed that that kid
Speaker 3: wants to do well. You know, you say bad kid,
Speaker 3: and yes, there are some, that's for sure, But most
Speaker 3: kids are really good kids, even if they do bad,
Speaker 3: and it's just a matter of teaching them the right thing,
Speaker 3: talking to them make them feel comfortable in a situation.
Speaker 3: And that that's the thing with a sport like football
Speaker 3: in particular, and of course any sport. I just spoke
Speaker 3: two weeks ago the University of New Mexico baseball team.
Speaker 3: The head coach there is one of my former quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Tossed around yeah from me, and and it's the same way.
Speaker 3: It's just don't assume these kids know what to do.
Speaker 3: And let's we're teachers. We're coaches, but we're also teachers.
Speaker 3: We're teaching a sport, we're teaching manners, we're teaching behavior
Speaker 3: on the field, We're teaching them win over the fans.
Speaker 3: We're teaching them win over the referees. We're teaching them
Speaker 3: win over your teammates. You know what they say about coaches,
Speaker 3: You have to win the locker room. These are real question. Yeah,
Speaker 3: these are realistic things. And don't assume that these kids
Speaker 3: automatically know what to do. And so that teaching process
Speaker 3: and frankly, I find it to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Call me, we'red guy. I just I just enjoy it
Speaker 4: and I miss it greatly.
Speaker 2: Thanks for everybody for listening. You reached the preaching point
Speaker 2: of the eye on the ball segment. But no, no,
Speaker 2: I really like this. Let me tell you. Let me
Speaker 2: interrupt us. We're gonna have PJ. Brown from the Daily Star.
Speaker 2: She covers the women's basketball team at Dea Barnes and
Speaker 2: all that that's going to start pretty soon was the
Speaker 2: big twelve media days. So we're going to talk to
Speaker 2: her about what's going on with the program. And then
Speaker 2: the second half, we're going to talk to somebody you
Speaker 2: know very well, have your morales from All Sports Tucson,
Speaker 2: who's written a number of stories. Uh you know you
Speaker 2: who hasn't written number of stories and you coach Uh let's
Speaker 2: go let's go back. Uh you've been out a little bit,
Speaker 2: but you're still coaching just maybe a year, right, because
Speaker 2: you're at Rio Rico last correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was last December that I decided that pretty
Speaker 3: much I'd done everything I could do down there.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: My daughter, unfortunately, uh, her second her husband passed away unconnectedly,
Speaker 3: and I had to deal with the trauma of all that,
Speaker 3: sure and in some cases PTSD for that.
Speaker 4: The kids and and they're back in Tucson.
Speaker 3: So I really needed that that this time beating Tucson
Speaker 3: to be there and even though it's not that far away.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: The superintendent down there, David Verdugo, one of my he
Speaker 3: played for me and one of my favorite football players,
Speaker 3: And it was so much fun to learn that culture
Speaker 3: and be part of it and to and assimilate with
Speaker 3: those kids. I can't I can't tell you how much
Speaker 3: I learned from those families down there about what the
Speaker 3: border and what life is really like and not what
Speaker 3: you see on TV. For sure, And that's almost a
Speaker 3: joke now when I when I see the news about
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Anyway, just with a great experience, but
Speaker 3: I really needed to be back here and now there's
Speaker 3: kind of this whole and I'm not quite sure yet
Speaker 3: how to fill it. I'm still real healthy, I'm still
Speaker 3: really active. I'm in good shape.
Speaker 4: You know what. There's there's more on the.
Speaker 3: Horizon, and uh, there's more games to win and more
Speaker 3: hills to conquer.
Speaker 4: So that's our guest.
Speaker 2: What I wanted to go with that question is you've
Speaker 2: been around a long time, a long time. I'm wondering
Speaker 2: back in the day, back in the day, compared to today,
Speaker 2: do kids still still want to be coached?
Speaker 3: Kids are kids? Haven't changed everything else? Really, everything else
Speaker 3: has changed. Kids are still kids. And the younger you
Speaker 3: get them, the more you begin to see that. I
Speaker 3: have some eight nine year old quarterbacks will knock your
Speaker 3: socks off. I could show you pictures. Unfortunately on the
Speaker 3: radio doesn't do much. I could show you some pictures
Speaker 3: of some of my kids and watch them throwing, and
Speaker 3: people are going to say, wow, kids can learn that
Speaker 3: at that age. Yeah, we're the right with the right coaching,
Speaker 3: with the right setup, with the right motivation. Sometimes we'll
Speaker 3: bring popsicles out on the field. Sometimes we bring them
Speaker 3: little nickknacks and toys that I was given, you know,
Speaker 3: sports oriented.
Speaker 4: Things and motivational.
Speaker 3: Of course, it's just you know, in the end, it's
Speaker 3: a sport. And again, whether you do drama, music or
Speaker 3: stuff like that, it's still an activity that's supposed to
Speaker 3: be fun and educational, and you just have to approach
Speaker 3: it that way.
Speaker 4: When I go on the field, I want to have fun.
Speaker 3: If I'm with eight nine year olds, it's a different
Speaker 3: kind of fun with them with when I was coaching college.
Speaker 2: In your years, you've had about you said fifty in
Speaker 2: that time, you probably had h one hundred and twenty quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming two a year. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: So let me go with this.
Speaker 2: In your as a coach, would you have a smart,
Speaker 2: cerebral quarterback who has obviously talented be the quarterback or
Speaker 2: a very talented quarterback who doesn't have that same acumen.
Speaker 3: The answer is yes. Now, I know you, I know
Speaker 3: you were. You think that's a cop out, But let
Speaker 3: me tell you this. I was with the Stanford recruiters
Speaker 3: one time. Because I've had a bunch of kids who
Speaker 3: have gone there very fortunate to be around that kind
Speaker 3: of intelligence.
Speaker 4: And a young a young man or a young woman.
Speaker 3: And but I've had those kind of athletes and that
Speaker 3: are on that level, like a Banny red.
Speaker 4: Hair who you have a tennis players might have.
Speaker 3: I coached girls tennis back then, and she's one of
Speaker 3: the best athletes in terms of all the different family.
Speaker 4: Just a great family, you know, just a hustle.
Speaker 3: Everything you could think of, and of course people want
Speaker 3: to think of most recently red Rod and stuff. But
Speaker 3: I had I talked to a Stanford recruiter about a
Speaker 3: kid I had named Corey Hill, who I was just
Speaker 3: with in Portland in Oregon this past weekend of Cory's
Speaker 3: doing unbelievable, one of the head guys at Oakley Sunglasses
Speaker 3: and went to end up going to Stanford playing for
Speaker 3: Bill Walsh. And I was talking to one of the
Speaker 3: recruiters and basically I asked them the same type of
Speaker 3: question you just asked me. Would you rather have a
Speaker 3: kid with all these tools or someone who shows up,
Speaker 3: you know, and just works their butt off and wants
Speaker 3: to be great?
Speaker 4: And the end they said yes.
Speaker 3: And I like that answer because I think all kids
Speaker 3: are capable of so much. It's just the right structure,
Speaker 3: the right teachers around them, the right system in place,
Speaker 3: and teaching them the attitude and the expectations and frankly
Speaker 3: holding them to some demands because, after all, the answer is, hey,
Speaker 3: do you want this? And they turned in and say yes, Coach,
Speaker 3: I want this, And I say, I'm going to read
Speaker 3: the guy.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be the.
Speaker 3: Very guy that holds you to your answer. Now let's
Speaker 3: go over this again. Do you want this? I say yes, coach,
Speaker 3: and I might even have have them signed a contract
Speaker 3: or a card sometime. And believe me, it gets pulled
Speaker 3: out a lot because kids are kids and things happen
Speaker 3: in their life. And listen, here's my here's my definition
Speaker 3: as a psychologist of a teenager. The inability to see
Speaker 3: past Saturday night?
Speaker 1: M H.
Speaker 4: Is that a good or bad thing?
Speaker 3: It's a thing. It's good or bad maker, it's up
Speaker 3: to you. But they can't see past Saturday. So you
Speaker 3: want to punish him for a month, you might as
Speaker 3: well punish him for.
Speaker 4: A hundred years. They can't see past Saturday night.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to respond to you, because
Speaker 2: thank you for the answer, but you didn't answer my question.
Speaker 2: So but yes is an answer, I guess I don't
Speaker 2: thank you for.
Speaker 4: Showing up here that it's nice to have athletes.
Speaker 3: It's always nice to have athletes, sure, and it's real
Speaker 3: nice to have someone that can respond, to deliver and
Speaker 3: become a leader like say, uh, you know, I've had
Speaker 3: some great quarterbacks in my day.
Speaker 4: The kid you remember on the field, you don't win,
Speaker 4: you're your coaching. You win.
Speaker 3: The kids have to win the game, and so you
Speaker 3: can't ever forget that. So it's great to have those
Speaker 3: kids that can go out there and be like I was,
Speaker 3: which is just a coach on the field.
Speaker 4: You need that.
Speaker 3: You need that someplace out there because I talk about
Speaker 3: I love those kids. Yeah, I talked about twenty to
Speaker 3: thirty yards of separation. You know, people talk about the
Speaker 3: six degrees of separation Kevin Bacon that whole game. I
Speaker 3: talked about the thirty yards of separation on the football field.
Speaker 3: That's the difference between the coach on the sidelines and
Speaker 3: what goes on during the game.
Speaker 4: I'm not in the huddle. I'm not there.
Speaker 3: I need kids to deliver the message that I want delivered.
Speaker 3: And if you don't have those kids in the huddle,
Speaker 3: it can be real rough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're exactly right. We got to go.
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Speaker 1: Steve Rivera, He's got his eye on the ball. On
Speaker 1: Tucson's sports station, Fox Sports sporteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I on the Wall here on
Speaker 2: POT Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera and today's coach
Speaker 2: Jeff Scurrin. Now on the fund we have PJ Brown.
Speaker 2: It was on a Daily Star reporter covering the women's
Speaker 2: basketball team.
Speaker 4: How you doing, Pj?
Speaker 14: I'm doing great. How about you guys?
Speaker 4: We're doing well. Thank you. You must be excited about
Speaker 4: the new season.
Speaker 14: Absolutely. You know, it's kind of funny.
Speaker 15: I was just telling somebody this the other day, but
Speaker 15: you know, as this season sort of ramps up, you're like, uh,
Speaker 15: you know, you had summer, right, so it was a
Speaker 15: little bit of slow down. Time, took some vacation, and
Speaker 15: you're like, I don't know if I'm ready for the for.
Speaker 14: The season to come.
Speaker 15: And then I went to a couple of practices and
Speaker 15: I'm like, oh, yeah, bring it, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 4: That that's an amazing thing that you go through. I know,
Speaker 4: the exact feeling.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody says in coaching you have to embrace
Speaker 3: the off season. And I think if you cover a
Speaker 3: particular sport, it's the same way because you guys get
Speaker 3: so involved in the details because that's what that's what
Speaker 3: people want to know when they read the articles.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, it's just we sort of live, breathe, eat, sleep
Speaker 15: the sports, just like you coaches do. So we're always
Speaker 15: you know, we write almost every day, either we're talking
Speaker 15: to you guys, or we're and or we're writing.
Speaker 14: And so there's you know, it's always funny.
Speaker 15: I always tell people when when February hits in the
Speaker 15: the end of January or February in the midst of
Speaker 15: basketball season, we talk about the players hitting the wall
Speaker 15: while the reporters hit the wall.
Speaker 14: I hit the wall every time, and I have.
Speaker 15: To like take a couple of nights and sleep a
Speaker 15: little longer, or do something work out a little harder,
Speaker 15: just to like, Okay, there's about six, seven, eight more
Speaker 15: weeks of this season.
Speaker 14: I got to just like push through this.
Speaker 3: But you guys have such an important job because as
Speaker 3: we say in football, you know, where does that all
Speaker 3: American come from? And it comes from a long run
Speaker 3: and a poet in the press box. So you people
Speaker 3: take on a bigger role than most people would ever imagine.
Speaker 4: If you don't.
Speaker 3: We want the inside story, but but we also want
Speaker 3: you know, we want to hear the nice things. That's
Speaker 3: that's we want to be fans. And I think a
Speaker 3: good reporter makes that happen.
Speaker 14: Well, thanks, thank you.
Speaker 4: So now you're going to be a poet PG you
Speaker 4: got to be a poet?
Speaker 14: Yeah, now I do. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's a lot
Speaker 14: of pressure. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a lot of stories because it's not a
Speaker 2: small season. It's a five month season. If they go
Speaker 2: all the way or go deep into the into the
Speaker 2: March month, you know. So so what do you what's
Speaker 2: up next? Because you're part of that special section, right
Speaker 2: what are we going to look for?
Speaker 15: So I have three stories in the special section. It
Speaker 15: comes out. I believe it's the Sunday, right before the
Speaker 15: day before both men's and women's basketball has their home
Speaker 15: opener season home opener, which is on that November fourth,
Speaker 15: which is a Monday. The women play it for the
Speaker 15: men play at seven or eight I think must be
Speaker 15: eight o'clock. And yeah, we're just gonna it's gonna be
Speaker 15: jam packed.
Speaker 14: Full of.
Speaker 15: You know what, it's going to be like and and
Speaker 15: Plus you know, with Arizona moving to a new conference,
Speaker 15: there's a lot of more teams, there's a lot more
Speaker 15: teams to get to know and their players and their coaches.
Speaker 15: I was just doing the finish the what we call
Speaker 15: the Big twelve capsules, which are just like a highlight
Speaker 15: of all the schools their coaches, returners, addition what they
Speaker 15: lost from last year, plus what we think about the team.
Speaker 14: And wow, there were a lot of them.
Speaker 15: You know, I'm used to doing twelve and now there's
Speaker 15: sixteen teams and I was like, oh my god, Like,
Speaker 15: am I ever going to get through this? Plus at
Speaker 15: the same time, you're you yourself as a writer reporter,
Speaker 15: are learning about these schools that they're going to play.
Speaker 15: Some of them we know, right, it's easy for like
Speaker 15: the Utah's Colorado issue. We know them, we know their coaches,
Speaker 15: we know a lot of their players. But when you
Speaker 15: go into this new conference, you know, I know a
Speaker 15: few of the coaches because for various reasons, I know
Speaker 15: a few of the players because you know, there are
Speaker 15: a couple of them that played in the Pac twelve
Speaker 15: that maybe played for Arizona at some point, then they've
Speaker 15: transferred out, so we know those players. And then there's
Speaker 15: some who are just best players in the nation right
Speaker 15: who are in the top fifty. Maybe they're all Americans,
Speaker 15: and I've watched them play the last couple of seasons,
Speaker 15: but a majority of them I have no idea yet,
Speaker 15: and so it's going to take a while to learn them,
Speaker 15: to learn about these schools and these programs, and that's
Speaker 15: sort of the deep dive that we take. And then
Speaker 15: as they come up and Arizona plays them, it's really
Speaker 15: like learning about them all over again.
Speaker 4: PJ.
Speaker 3: I have a question about coach Barnes, and this is
Speaker 3: from a coaching point of view, and you can't help
Speaker 3: but notice this, and it happens to be number one
Speaker 3: on my personal hit parade of what makes a coach
Speaker 3: a great coach? Her teams get better as the season
Speaker 3: goes on, and everybody sees that, and it just it's
Speaker 3: it's really a wonderful thing to watch. What what what
Speaker 3: do you think? What do you see as her particular
Speaker 3: devices and ways that she pulls this off, because it's
Speaker 3: just a fact every single year, you know, sometimes a
Speaker 3: team at the beginning he goes, oh, it's not going
Speaker 3: to be such a good season, and then they were
Speaker 3: competing for the pack, you know, for the PAC title.
Speaker 4: You know, what's her secret? What do you see there?
Speaker 14: Sure, well, there's a couple of things.
Speaker 15: I mean, it's interesting yesterday at media day, you know,
Speaker 15: they asked Ado about being picked seventh in the league,
Speaker 15: and she said, I don't care. I don't here where
Speaker 15: I'm picked preseason because it's more important where you finish
Speaker 15: than where you start, right because she wants to be
Speaker 15: playing for titles. She wants to be in the NCAA Tournament,
Speaker 15: journament every single year and making a run.
Speaker 14: And that's what her goal is.
Speaker 15: What I see, and you know, I always talk about
Speaker 15: the development that Idea has brought to this program with
Speaker 15: her and coach Salvo Kopa as well as the other coaches,
Speaker 15: but those two sort of it's there. It's Ideas program
Speaker 15: and Salvo has been with her obviously throughout the whole
Speaker 15: her whole tenure here.
Speaker 14: It's the development.
Speaker 15: It's it's that every day, besides having practiced during the season,
Speaker 15: they work on fundamentals.
Speaker 14: They have individual skills sessions.
Speaker 15: So it's not just in the off season where they're
Speaker 15: lifting and there and they're they're getting those individual skills
Speaker 15: sessions and learning a little bit about the system that
Speaker 15: Adia runs. But it's what they do every single day
Speaker 15: in the season. This makes a big difference. Most schools
Speaker 15: don't do this. I was talking to the assistant coach
Speaker 15: Bett Shelby last year about this, and I had asked
Speaker 15: her about this, and she said, because she's coached at
Speaker 15: Maryland with Brenda Freese, she coached at West Virginia under
Speaker 15: Mike Carrey, and and a lot of other places. And
Speaker 15: she said schools, just coaches, just head coaches, don't do this,
Speaker 15: and that it seems to be the key where idea
Speaker 15: is a she works with them every day and and
Speaker 15: and they peak at the right part of the season.
Speaker 14: You saw this last.
Speaker 15: Year with with Skyler Jones was a perfect example of this. Right, So,
Speaker 15: she's a freshman, she comes in, she has a little
Speaker 15: bit of success, but not a lot. And then when
Speaker 15: they have the injuries and they lose a lot of players,
Speaker 15: she comes in at the last portion six weeks or
Speaker 15: so of the season, all of a sudden, she's starting.
Speaker 15: She gains a little bit more confidence, she starts scoring,
Speaker 15: she starts being more of a threat on defense, where
Speaker 15: she uses her long arms to play Arizona defense, gets steals,
Speaker 15: does all these.
Speaker 14: Things that.
Speaker 15: Makes the Arizona system what it is, right, and that
Speaker 15: happens as you go along, and as the season goes along,
Speaker 15: not only are they developing like that every day, but
Speaker 15: Idia puts in a little bit more.
Speaker 14: Of the system.
Speaker 15: So you will see new things being introduced, especially on
Speaker 15: the defensive side of things, as the season progresses, which
Speaker 15: is always really neat, but it's just not like they
Speaker 15: stop learning. You know, they're learning every day and the
Speaker 15: system's becoming more robust and they're starting to do things
Speaker 15: that are more technically advanced as the season goes on.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's what I saw. That's why I asked
Speaker 3: you that particular question. And the other thing that you
Speaker 3: added to that that I think is just wonderful to hear,
Speaker 3: and that's that she's in that she's there with every
Speaker 3: single step personally, which which tells her athletes. This is
Speaker 3: the this is primarily important. You know, if you if
Speaker 3: you you know, of course you have to count on
Speaker 3: your assistance, but if you form things out that the
Speaker 3: athletes know that that's a secondary thing. If you, if
Speaker 3: the head coach does it, that's a primary thing. And
Speaker 3: it's great to hear that say that, because I say,
Speaker 3: I think you're talking about some of the golden rules
Speaker 3: of coaching, and but the results are obvious. Like I say,
Speaker 3: I watch what she does and I see them get
Speaker 3: better and better, and it makes me feel good as
Speaker 3: a coach because I just think that's what we're supposed
Speaker 3: to do. I mean, we can, we can control the
Speaker 3: hand we're played to a certain extent. But a lot
Speaker 3: of coaches in today's world, particularly the transfer portal in
Speaker 3: the nil that they don't want to coach anymore.
Speaker 4: They want they want to recruit a team.
Speaker 3: And now you're seeing I think we got a chance
Speaker 3: to see what happens when you really can impact your
Speaker 3: kids on a day by day basis.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me ask you a quick question
Speaker 2: about the roster. Uh, it's my understanding. I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: You know, we all know Tommy Lloyd's got nine scholarship
Speaker 2: players and one hundred on his bench with walk guns.
Speaker 2: Is it Dia has the same Is she doing the
Speaker 2: same thing with at least with the scholarship players.
Speaker 15: She's got all scholarship players on on? Uh, she had
Speaker 15: two walk guns last year in Aaron Tech who also
Speaker 15: is on the the track team and she's a javelin thrower,
Speaker 15: but she got injured right away, and then she brought
Speaker 15: on Brooklyn Roads, also a walk on, and about a
Speaker 15: week or two after they were brought on, I think
Speaker 15: Brooklyn was even earlier. She put them on scholarships. So
Speaker 15: they're still on scholarship. So all fourteen players. They have
Speaker 15: a fifteen limit, fifteen player limit in women's basketball, and
Speaker 15: she's got fourteen and they're all on scholarship.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I didn't realize that one and two do
Speaker 2: you think how deep will she go?
Speaker 15: She might go pretty deep this year. I mean typically
Speaker 15: Adia Barnes goes like eight nine deep. And the tricky
Speaker 15: thing this year is that she's got all these really
Speaker 15: interesting pieces that as you move into the Big twelve
Speaker 15: and there's it's a different style of play. So they
Speaker 15: have real centers in the Big twelve.
Speaker 14: They're kind of big.
Speaker 15: They're more like Reagan Beers who used to play for
Speaker 15: Oregon State, really big tall girl, uh woman, and and
Speaker 15: so a lot of it's that way, which is which
Speaker 15: is not? You know, Pac twel was more of a
Speaker 15: finesse kind of a league. It's a little different, and
Speaker 15: so I think to compete, she's gonna be throwing out
Speaker 15: a lot of different looks. She has a lot of
Speaker 15: post players this year, so she'll have a little bit
Speaker 15: more depth, which will help. And I think she's gonna
Speaker 15: sometimes go small and be more, have that more finesse,
Speaker 15: and sometimes go a little bit bigger. I think she's
Speaker 15: got the pieces as long as these new players and
Speaker 15: the you know, the freshmen come along to do some
Speaker 15: of this, and so it's gonna look I think a
Speaker 15: little bit different. So I could be wrong. She could
Speaker 15: end up just sticking with those nine and and being
Speaker 15: that way. But the other day when I talked to her,
Speaker 15: she said, oh, I'm gonna have different lineups and so,
Speaker 15: you know, different rotations and stuff come in. So that
Speaker 15: leads me to believe that she could use more than
Speaker 15: the eight or nine players than she typically does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess the star of the star or two
Speaker 4: would be.
Speaker 15: I think it's it's tough because they don't have a
Speaker 15: real star star. I mean it's not like I can't say, oh,
Speaker 15: Halana Pueo, right, And as Mary Martinez, I think it's
Speaker 15: the sophomore class. So the three plus Mantea who Mantea
Speaker 15: do who they consider a freshman because she was out
Speaker 15: injured last year. But the class of Jada Williams, Brea Cunningham,
Speaker 15: Skuyler Jones and then Montea do, I think those are
Speaker 15: the real.
Speaker 14: The leaders of this team.
Speaker 4: Okay, super PJ. Good luck, It's gonna be a long season.
Speaker 15: Thanks, thanks, and it was great talking to you, especially
Speaker 15: you coach. I haven't seen you in a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been with laying low here a little.
Speaker 2: Bit impossible, impossible, but you know, you know, in our business,
Speaker 2: you just don't know when the phone is going to ring.
Speaker 3: And I got a call from Italy this morning. I
Speaker 3: mean you just yeah, you know, you just you keep
Speaker 3: your whistle wet, you know.
Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: You will, PJ, thank you, thank you. Yes, interesting interesting.
Speaker 2: They start soon like the men, and we'll see how
Speaker 2: they do. I mean, picking seventh in the league. She
Speaker 2: used the overchiefs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what if you if Adella
Speaker 3: Barnes is connected to it, they're going to compete. And
Speaker 3: I love watching her coach. I love watching her on
Speaker 3: the sidelines. I've seen her a couple of times of
Speaker 3: practice and and the people. If you haven't seen that happen,
Speaker 3: that's a fortune of nature that that that woman knows
Speaker 3: her job and she knows how to coach.
Speaker 4: It's like say, for me, it's a it's a real
Speaker 4: joy watching her.
Speaker 2: She's as popular as anybody in town with their social
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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to Are in the Ball hero on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen. Cooky, I'm Steve Rivera, He's Coach Skurrin,
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Speaker 2: forty you'd like to hear from you?
Speaker 4: Maybe you have a story about coach now stories, no stories,
Speaker 4: We don't enough time for stories. Uh, we'll see.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with the ones basketball team. We're
Speaker 2: looking forward to both the programs. Both should be pretty good,
Speaker 2: you know, and still middle of the road right in
Speaker 2: the conferents. That's fantastic. You're gonna let me ask you
Speaker 2: this philosophy wise, your schedules were your schedules, right you, Patty?
Speaker 4: Did you couldn't your schedule your scheduled? Did you get
Speaker 4: the schedule a time, a team or two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you try to, you want to, you want to
Speaker 3: have input in there, but there's so many factors that
Speaker 3: goes into that, and it's much more complex in college
Speaker 3: too because of the travel involved.
Speaker 2: Well, so let me let me throw this at you then. Okay,
Speaker 2: so your schedule is what it is. I'm sure you
Speaker 2: trying to sprinkle in a tough opponent early to see
Speaker 2: what you need to work on, who you need to
Speaker 2: you know, figure out who's going to play whatever. You're
Speaker 2: a philosophy guy who played tough early and see what
Speaker 2: you're going to.
Speaker 4: Do, or just let me get some wins.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's it's kind of a mix and
Speaker 3: it depends upon what you got coming back. If you
Speaker 3: have all rookies coming back, you want a chance to
Speaker 3: get on the court or in the field. And I
Speaker 3: was just watching the UFA basketball and they're playing the
Speaker 3: D two team from a lot in Las Vegas, New Mexico,
Speaker 3: and it's just like.
Speaker 4: People say, well, what are they doing that for.
Speaker 3: They're getting their guys used to playing together against someone
Speaker 3: else other than the scrimmage and you end basketball. They
Speaker 3: do two, three, four of those games before they even
Speaker 3: think about playing the powerhouse. And then they'll go into
Speaker 3: a tournament sometimes over in Hawaii or some other place
Speaker 3: that really doesn't count, and then they see what they
Speaker 3: can do. But that thing doesn't it's a special tournament.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really. Of course, everything counts, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: really count against your conference. Now, Arizona this year, as
Speaker 3: they've discarded in football, is going into a new, entirely
Speaker 3: different creature. And I've heard them talk about it, and
Speaker 3: I'm not at their meetings, so I just really don't know.
Speaker 3: But I just know what happened with football, and it's
Speaker 3: not the pack anymore. And this is that these guys
Speaker 3: live on being physical most of their athletes.
Speaker 4: Of course they in the portal now.
Speaker 3: They come from everywhere, but most of their base athletes
Speaker 3: are coming from Texas and Oklahoma and places like that,
Speaker 3: because you know, people got to realize athletically, you've got Texas,
Speaker 3: California and Florida.
Speaker 2: So let me let me ask you this. You can
Speaker 2: be critical if you like. You don't have to be
Speaker 2: critical if you don't want to. Do you think because
Speaker 2: everyone's on better now and I'll just prefer.
Speaker 4: It that way.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the team, because it moved into
Speaker 2: a different conference just wasn't prepared for the new conference
Speaker 2: and the style. Is that a part of the problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And again I'm not to be critical.
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how you prepare, but I think
Speaker 3: there should be an awareness that you're going into an
Speaker 3: entirely different type of comforts where they just assume punch
Speaker 3: in the mouth in football is look at you. And
Speaker 3: I of course I remember how they play basketball, and
Speaker 3: it's not going to be a whole lot different. I mean,
Speaker 3: they're going to run you, and they're going to beat
Speaker 3: you up, and they're going to press on you. We're
Speaker 3: going to get completely different officials and in basketball that's.
Speaker 4: Really a thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a thing in every single sport, but
Speaker 3: in basketball it's really a thing, and it's going to
Speaker 3: get a little bit like stepping up into the NBA.
Speaker 2: Well, well PGA talked about it. She used the word
Speaker 2: that I've used a lot is finesse. You're going for
Speaker 2: finesse to physical.
Speaker 3: And finesse is great, but it's got its time and place,
Speaker 3: and it's the old rock paper scissors type of thing.
Speaker 4: You know, it depends upon what you got.
Speaker 3: If you got finesse people that can hang in there,
Speaker 3: you know, whether the storm of being the other physical
Speaker 3: team and be finesse, yeah, that can work. But so
Speaker 3: it's a much more complex thing. But here's the thing, Steve.
Speaker 3: It's now sixteen teams, so you're.
Speaker 4: Going to get a lot more of that. You're not
Speaker 4: going to get these some of these easier teams sprinkled in.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to it's I talked about the SEC,
Speaker 3: having having played in there myself and a background in
Speaker 3: there as a coach, and you know, when you're in
Speaker 3: the SEC every week as a battle, maybe you get
Speaker 3: one a season, and if you can really got a
Speaker 3: good a D you can get two and it's not
Speaker 3: just to get a break for your other guys. It's
Speaker 3: to play a lot of your other guys, your backups,
Speaker 3: and get those guys playing time because practice becomes real different.
Speaker 4: When they get on the.
Speaker 3: Field, they they want their job too, So so it's
Speaker 3: a it's a much bigger thing.
Speaker 4: But in the SEC.
Speaker 3: You know, one, you know, when I was a scout
Speaker 3: team quarterback. You know, one week or I was Georgia,
Speaker 3: next week I was Alabama. The next week, I was Miami.
Speaker 3: The next week I was Florida State, next week I
Speaker 3: was Auburn. You know, where's the break?
Speaker 4: Wait a second, you were a quarterback, a backup in
Speaker 4: the SEC. Backup.
Speaker 3: That's been way too complimentary, way too. I was rocky
Speaker 3: with my bag on the hook.
Speaker 4: So because you're not a tall man, so so you
Speaker 4: know that you're exactly saying what is going through? Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's about an inch taller than me.
Speaker 3: But back then, at least we had the option and
Speaker 3: that was my special okay. And when I went to Florida,
Speaker 3: that's that's what they were running under, a guy named
Speaker 3: Lindy and Fonte before I got there. And then they
Speaker 3: made the switch based on this guy that no one
Speaker 3: ever heard of out of Johnson City, Tennessee named speed
Speaker 3: Steve Spurrier and all he did was won the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that. You know, that's interesting. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: so you know, you observe you, you see what's going
Speaker 2: on at you. They again, you don't have to be
Speaker 2: it's just it's totally different than what we thought would happen.
Speaker 4: Whether they fix it, we'll see. Well, it's totally different
Speaker 4: from what you thought would happen.
Speaker 3: I just happen to know people in different places to
Speaker 3: tell and well, these guys were licking their chops.
Speaker 4: For these pack teams. Okay, that makes sense. They were.
Speaker 3: They were because and it's not anything personal against coach
Speaker 3: Brennan or against any of the players or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It's just that the idea that this you're coming into
Speaker 3: our territory, you're coming into our houses. You're coming you're thinking, look,
Speaker 3: look what's happened to the old Big ten teams that
Speaker 3: have gone to the SEC.
Speaker 4: That's a real lesson for them.
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm sure that Texas had no concept of what
Speaker 3: Georgia was going to do to them. And it wasn't
Speaker 3: just Georgia. Here, Steve, here's the thing. It was Georgia,
Speaker 3: it was Alabama, it was it was it was Mississippi,
Speaker 3: was South Carolina, it was I mean, it was these
Speaker 3: teams that they're all loaded with great athletes and great.
Speaker 4: Football everybody, but Oregon is not doing well. Yep. And
Speaker 4: Oregon's got a different They got it. They're a little
Speaker 4: bit different, you know.
Speaker 3: It's hey, listen, we're in college football is now semi
Speaker 3: pro football. And I say semi not not to say
Speaker 3: the old semi pro. The most of us know they're
Speaker 3: kind of pro football. Sure, it really is. And and
Speaker 3: it's a completely different management now. The successful teams that
Speaker 3: you're seeing right now that have this initial success in
Speaker 3: terms of depth and all these other.
Speaker 4: Things, it's not just coaching.
Speaker 3: They have somebody that really knows how to manage that
Speaker 3: trans for portal and the NIL. And it's not just
Speaker 3: the head coach. Maybe he had to go out and
Speaker 3: buy somebody, you know, that was really good at that stuff.
Speaker 3: But that is now a part of it. Just like
Speaker 3: when I went to Pima, I had to have an opsky.
Speaker 3: If I didn't have an OPS coach, there's no way
Speaker 3: in operations for people that don't know that word.
Speaker 4: There's no way we could have been nearer successful as
Speaker 4: we did.
Speaker 3: Because that allowed me to have the time to coach
Speaker 3: the kids and deal with those issues and problems.
Speaker 4: And you have to have that now it's not the
Speaker 4: same staff that you used to have.
Speaker 3: And again, like I said, nobody wants to nobody wants
Speaker 3: to coach anymore. But if you're, you know, a school
Speaker 3: that doesn't have the money or doesn't have the wherewithal
Speaker 3: to get these a roster filled with star players, your
Speaker 3: only other option is to have a system where you
Speaker 3: could develop your guys. And of course we have a
Speaker 3: new staff and it's a new conference and there's a
Speaker 3: lot of new stuff through it.
Speaker 2: Well, let me pull this at you then, because before
Speaker 2: the season started, the Clemson coach tell me who he is,
Speaker 2: you know, the football coach Clemson.
Speaker 4: I just lost his name, Dabas Whenie doubles win.
Speaker 2: So he's one of the guys that doesn't like the
Speaker 2: transfer portal. I'm not sure how well he's doing it,
Speaker 2: drove next day, but out of the game, no exactly,
Speaker 2: And everybody could have says, well, you're gonna need to
Speaker 2: do it to compete. Well, he's doing okay, and maybe
Speaker 2: it's a one off. But but and let me go there,
Speaker 2: so so do you think the nil And this is
Speaker 2: an obvious, stupid question that people are going to be
Speaker 2: paying off a lot of money to win the games,
Speaker 2: and not all athletes win games because you can You
Speaker 2: talked about development. If you're a good coach and you
Speaker 2: can develop players, you can still compete with the people
Speaker 2: paying off their kids.
Speaker 3: I think just look at Texas A and M. You
Speaker 3: don't have to look any farther than that. You could
Speaker 3: pay and you could recruit, and you could do all
Speaker 3: this stuff. Good point, but it wasn't a good mix.
Speaker 4: It just wasn't.
Speaker 3: Don't blame the coach. That coach didn't get off the
Speaker 3: bus at college station and become a bad coach. That
Speaker 3: was a good coach, and it just it was the
Speaker 3: next it's the wrong guys. And that's the crapshoot that
Speaker 3: you take with us transfer portal. You know, you know
Speaker 3: every year you've got a good Now Tommy Lloyd is
Speaker 3: doing a great job of managing that and making these
Speaker 3: guys play together. And yes, we have some issues we
Speaker 3: can get better at and anything. And he'll be the
Speaker 3: first guy to tell you he's he's super. He's just
Speaker 3: a really good dude. And and but it's a it's
Speaker 3: a different it's a different beast that we're trying to
Speaker 3: manage here. Guys like Nick Saban decided, I don't need
Speaker 3: this anymore. I got enough money, I got enough friends,
Speaker 3: I got enough national championships. Bam bam, I don't need
Speaker 3: this anymore. Dobbos in the heart of his career, and
Speaker 3: he's going to make the adjustment. He's not just a
Speaker 3: great coach, he's one of the best motivators that we
Speaker 3: have in the game. And he's not afraid to surround
Speaker 3: himself with other good people and pass the credit along.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at his uh, look at the guys
Speaker 3: that he's already spawned in.
Speaker 4: His coaching career. And he's going to be fine. And
Speaker 4: Clemson believed.
Speaker 3: Clemson has the resources, they're going to be able to
Speaker 3: play in this game.
Speaker 4: But you just can't do it by yourself as a coach.
Speaker 3: As much as you'd like to look at everybody's film,
Speaker 3: as much as you'd like to negotiate personally with these
Speaker 3: kids and spend time with the middle of the room,
Speaker 3: that you're you're not trying to sell their parents anymore.
Speaker 4: You got to sell You got to sell it to
Speaker 4: their agents, no question.
Speaker 2: Well look at Tony Bennett, a guy fifty five years old,
Speaker 2: very successful, had his bumps and bruises as well, but
Speaker 2: a lot of life left in his coaching career, and
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, I think I'm done and we're not here.
Speaker 2: You know, Dave Rubio has retired because Candrea is gone,
Speaker 2: and they're older obviously, but you know, why deal with it?
Speaker 4: I'm out of here. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 3: On almost every one of those cases, I know those
Speaker 3: guys personally, age was not a factor in any of
Speaker 3: their decisions. Right, those guys could still coach. I mean
Speaker 3: they're great guys personally. But those guys you mentioned, they're
Speaker 3: great coaches. But then again, you get to look at
Speaker 3: the guy at Indiana and all of a sudden, where'd
Speaker 3: he come from? Well, the system played into his skill set.
Speaker 3: He's a good coach regional football, Yeah, a really good coach,
Speaker 3: and yet he knows how to manage that transfer portal
Speaker 3: plus mix it in with the guys because Indiana is
Speaker 3: in a school that can go out and get thirty
Speaker 3: guys on the nil.
Speaker 4: They're not going to do that.
Speaker 3: But what they can do is they can get some
Speaker 3: key guys they could work in the development, and they
Speaker 3: could mold that into a really good, solid team that's
Speaker 3: in every game.
Speaker 4: My old saying is, hey, if you're going to win
Speaker 4: the big game, you got to be in the game,
Speaker 4: in the game, in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: Right now, let me ask you another quick thing, because
Speaker 2: one of the criticism that Brendan is getting is that
Speaker 2: he's a nice guy.
Speaker 4: We all can say that he's a nice guy. Right.
Speaker 2: He's not a fiery guy, and maybe he's behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: but we haven't seen it. I think you're a pretty
Speaker 2: good guy. I haven't really followed you on the field
Speaker 2: and how you show up on the field. Right, If
Speaker 2: you're a fiery guy, good guy, they respect you. I'm
Speaker 2: a believer that you have to have some kind of
Speaker 2: pain in the neck and I want to use a
Speaker 2: different word, but I'm on the radio to be a
Speaker 2: very good coach, because that's how they're going to respect you.
Speaker 2: They're going to run through walls for you, coach. They're
Speaker 2: going to do things that you if you sit there
Speaker 2: and just kind of just sit there, or motivates however
Speaker 2: you motivate, but you're on the right track.
Speaker 3: Let me just rephrase that a little bit. There has
Speaker 3: to be some sort of mistake about you to be
Speaker 3: the head coach. It's not a secret thing, it's not
Speaker 3: something it's just something that the players buzz about, something
Speaker 3: they do. I think in my case, it's a lot
Speaker 3: of I make a promise, it's done, I get it done.
Speaker 3: They do their part. I do my part, and I'm
Speaker 3: real reliable when it comes to that. And at the
Speaker 3: same time, I think I'm a disciplinarian. There's certain things
Speaker 3: that we're going to stand for on my teams and
Speaker 3: you have to develop that. And it's a little bit
Speaker 3: different in every school. When I went from Sabino, where
Speaker 3: we frankly we won too much. That sounds strange, but
Speaker 3: my interest in coaching kind of waned when I was
Speaker 3: there because, I mean, guys, we were nine out of
Speaker 3: ten years we were.
Speaker 4: In the semi finals of the championship game and we.
Speaker 3: Were averaging forty to fifty points in the first and
Speaker 3: second round of the playoffs. That's too easy. There wasn't
Speaker 3: enough of those games. I go to Pema College and
Speaker 3: it's all different. We got to scrap for every single thing.
Speaker 6: I loved it.
Speaker 4: I loved every part of it. Well, that's kind of point.
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen by and I'm not trying to blow
Speaker 2: smoke with you, because it doesn't happen by accident.
Speaker 4: You were doing very well. They must have.
Speaker 2: You must have had something, some kind of magic where
Speaker 2: they play their ass off because either you're a paint
Speaker 2: of the net coach behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm same ding.
Speaker 3: You have to respect you. I say this a coaching
Speaker 3: clinics all the time. Look up on that scoreboard, moms
Speaker 3: and dads, look up on that scoreboard. Fans show me
Speaker 3: where it says nice guy points.
Speaker 4: You don't get any. You don't get any, don't get any.
Speaker 4: And but but at the same time, you have to
Speaker 4: win the locker room. That's just no question.
Speaker 3: That's part of coaching. And it doesn't matter the sport,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter the level. You have to win the
Speaker 3: locker room. So there is that balance, there's that mystique
Speaker 3: that you can create. Listen, I could get my lineman
Speaker 3: when I was coaching at Pima. I'd get these three
Speaker 3: hundred pounders. I'd go into the offensive line huddle, and
Speaker 3: I could get them crying. You could ask Kevin Amanan,
Speaker 3: and he's the principal now Sabino High School and he
Speaker 3: was my offensive line coach. Hey, co coach, how do
Speaker 3: you get them to do that? They were scared the
Speaker 3: death of you. They weren't scared the death of me physically.
Speaker 3: I'm five to eight, one hundred and fifty pounds. These
Speaker 3: guys were sick three six seven.
Speaker 2: Here's here's what I would think, and we gotta go
Speaker 2: take a break. They didn't want to disappoint Jeff Screw.
Speaker 4: I'd like to think that I really would, But you
Speaker 4: know who knows. You have to talk about that's my
Speaker 4: that's my theory.
Speaker 2: And we'll take a break and go to the other
Speaker 2: side and get breaking news from Henry here in a second.